WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.000 So ten o'clock at night, my wife is out on the balcony of the 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.839 house looking out the telescope my father had. Eventually, after ten to fifteen 3 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:09.320 minutes this, she pops her head in and says to me, there's something 4 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:12.320 weird out here. I just feel like, you know, hearing noises over 5 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:13.839 there. I'm like, well, what are you hearing? She's like, 6 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:17.359 I don't know, like like footsteps or and then I saw a rabbit run 7 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:20.760 by, looking afraid, and I feel like something's watching me, you know. 8 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:23.480 Fast forward now, that's probably ten to eleven a knight. Fast forward 9 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:26.280 now it's to the middle of the night. Will sound asleep in the guest 10 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:30.000 room. All of a sudden the middle night, were awakened from dead to 11 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:36.600 dead sleep by a boom boom, like a couple two or three boom hits 12 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:40.159 next to our heads on this log cabin. Let's just pretend that was you. 13 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:43.320 I'm telling you now, your arm would have been shattered to dust the 14 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:47.359 force this thing hit it. You couldn't have had hit this wall with this 15 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:50.679 kind of force. You could not have done that. Thank God we didn't 16 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:55.640 peek up the most blinds, because I'm positive there was a very large big 17 00:00:55.640 --> 00:01:34.359 foot standing right there at that window. I'd like to welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. 18 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:40.159 David Race of the Monstrosity podcast. David, how you doing doing good? 19 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:44.400 Doing good? So, man, tell me a little bit about yourself. 20 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:49.519 I know that you've been part of the stand up comedy world and for 21 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.280 some reason you decided to venture into the world of podcasting, the paranormal and 22 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:59.280 Bigfoot. How did that all come to be? Ah? Well, I 23 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.560 used to be jockey on the radio for a long time before I ever became 24 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:05.840 a comedian. So I, you know, they playing around in the in 25 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:08.080 the radio space, which podcasting really is. It's like on demand radio. 26 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:14.560 Really, um, you know, isn't new to me. And and then 27 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:19.120 for a while, while doing stand up here in la Um, you know, 28 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.680 I started noticing that every comic was getting was doing a podcast, getting 29 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.360 a podcast or doing a podcast and I and I resisted it for a while. 30 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.919 I in my mind it was like a backwards move. I'd already been 31 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:31.840 down that road, like the radio world was a place I'd spent a lot 32 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.560 of time, and I was like, I don't want to do that again, 33 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:38.080 you know, And I had no interest, and I would just sit 34 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:40.840 backstage and hear comics talking about their podcast and you asking me to I want 35 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:44.319 to be on their podcast, or asking other other comics to be on their 36 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.240 podcast. This went on and on for you know, a year or two, 37 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:53.840 and then one afternoon I was at home and it occurred to me that 38 00:02:53.240 --> 00:03:00.520 what if I do a podcast that that takes in my deep no knowledge and 39 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:06.800 passion for all things Bigfoot and sort of does does a podcast under that construct 40 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.520 instead of just you know, the David Ratio or whatever the other comedians were 41 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:13.439 doing, which we're all worked, we're all kind of like all the comedians 42 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:15.800 had podcasts like that, you know, the John Johnson Show, you know, 43 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:20.400 um, And I thought, what if I just sort of hang this 44 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.479 picture frame around it, you know, and and it'll be this this thing 45 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:29.319 where you know, I'm talking passionately about the Bigfoot thing, but inevitably, 46 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:31.039 you know, the humor is going to come through also, so it's sort 47 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:35.280 of blending those two things. And then you know, the idea expanded in 48 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.039 my head a little further. I thought, what if I put comedians, 49 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.520 i know, you know, into the into that construct, like actually, 50 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:44.400 you know, commedian who don't necessarily know anything about Bigfoot, but people I 51 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:49.680 know as comedians and marry them together with you know, someone from Finding Bigfoot, 52 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:53.199 someone from Ancient Aliens, you know, as a guest. So all 53 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:59.000 that became in twenty fifteen, Comedians Talking about Bigfoot my first podcast, which 54 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:04.960 um Buy episode five, had a TV deal. Yeah, it was extremely 55 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:11.120 popular and well received. I remember it right well well when I did that, 56 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.360 you know, at first, when I first announced I was doing it 57 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.120 online and things, I got a lot of pushback from the Bigfoot world because 58 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:21.439 I remember the general sentiment was, oh, great, another comedian is going 59 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:25.759 to mock the whole thing. That was That was what everyone assumed I was 60 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:30.600 going to do. And the truth is that I'm a believer and have had 61 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.600 my own experiences. Even if they're not Class A sidings, you know, 62 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:38.360 they're they're Matt Moneymaker calls them class B sidings at least, I mean they're 63 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:43.839 they're they're good enough for him. So I I you know, I was 64 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.920 very authentic about the topic. And yes, I was going to be funny, 65 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.360 because you know, you put comedians in a room, funny things are 66 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:54.439 going to be said. Just you can't help that. But I would be 67 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.399 funny at a funeral and didn't know way to change that. But but I 68 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:01.839 but I knew that that I would take the Bigfoot topic more seriously than what 69 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:06.639 people expected me to do. In those initial social media reactions, I saw 70 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:11.680 and um, you know that that is what I did with it. And 71 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.879 then so by the episode five, it had to deal with these guys who 72 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.160 had done a very famous show for History Channel that was on that same subject, 73 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:24.879 and we ended up shooting an entire week. You normally, when you 74 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.560 shoot a TV thing, you know, for sale where you haven't sold it 75 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.399 yet to network, normally a production company will shoot what they'll call sizzle reel, 76 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:34.480 which will be like a like a five minute you know, proof of 77 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:41.000 concept of what the thing is, and you don't have to go heavy into 78 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.959 the budget world. You know, I don't just spend a fortune. Getting 79 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.240 a five minutes is a real done. It's a little bit of money, 80 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.120 but it's not as much money as a real episode would be. You know, 81 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:55.199 these guys, these guys shot a real episode. These guys shot intending 82 00:05:55.240 --> 00:06:00.519 that this episode we're shooting will end up being episode number one of the show, 83 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.360 you know, for air. Oh, this is a plot, right, 84 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:05.920 it was They these guys didn't shoot like this, here's a five minute 85 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.199 demonstration. Now what do you guys think? And then you know that will 86 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:14.759 fund the pilot. They funded a pilot. Wow. And and we, 87 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:17.519 uh, you know, we got together me and two comedians that I had 88 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:21.480 picked up or I thought would fit, you know, the channel theme of 89 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:27.920 how I constructed the TV thing, which was also you know, based exactly 90 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.600 on comedians talking about Bigfoot, but it was a TV version, you know. 91 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.519 And and we went to Minnesota and shot it there in you know, 92 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:39.680 like in rural Minnesota. And we were there for a whole week, shot 93 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:41.959 an entire week like as if, you know, as if we already had 94 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:44.800 a deal, like like we're there on a budget with a full deal already 95 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.720 from Animal Planet or something, And and shot a whole week. And then 96 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:53.480 for the next year or so, that was going through a sales process, 97 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.800 and it had fits and starts. It almost sold it didn't know, then 98 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:00.480 undid itself, then almost sold to someone else. Then it went through a 99 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:08.000 lot of fits and starts, ultimately not selling for various reasons that that would 100 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.959 take me forever to go into, but lots of things kept it from selling. 101 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:15.360 Um and and then I thought, well, I got to get back 102 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:17.920 to doing a podcast now. So I decided, what if I go back 103 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:24.240 to doing a podcast, but I do something just a slight alteration on comedians 104 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:29.000 talking about Bigfoot. Let me broaden it out to UFOs. Bigfoot goes you 105 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:33.079 know, locked us monster like not just Bigfoot. And let me change the 106 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:39.360 construct of comedians are the guests in the room and the guy from Ancient Aliens 107 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:43.240 is the paranormal guest. Let me change that contract a little. It doesn't 108 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.279 have to be comedian. It can be regular celebrities, actors, actresses, 109 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:50.959 movie you know, movie people and rock stars and stuff, not just comedians. 110 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:56.399 You know, what if I sort of make those little adjustments so that 111 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.399 that changed the title in my mind to you know, let me changed the 112 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.120 title too, so it became Monstrosity with David Race, which I started in 113 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.600 twenty eighteen. I think, um, and you know, the logo from 114 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:13.319 Monstrosity reflects that it covers all the things I think I created like a logo 115 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.079 where the the O as a UFO and the the R and monstrosities a C 116 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.439 monster. You know, the Bigfoot is the is the letter T the it's 117 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:24.040 actually you know, the Patterson Gimblin Bigfoot kind of walking by is the letter 118 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:31.480 T and that became the logo the show. The podcast has been really well 119 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:37.679 received. Um, I've been amazed at how many celebrities come in and do 120 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:39.879 this show. And what's so cool is that because I live in la and 121 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:46.120 and you know, La based, I have this cool advantage of being able 122 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.639 to have celebrities come in and do it live, except for Covid and interrupting 123 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:52.360 that. You know, COVID changed that a bit. There was there were 124 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.200 you know there there've been a good amount of episodes now that we're also you 125 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:58.799 know, done by feed, you know, where the celebrities somebody else, 126 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:03.840 so somewhere else, but but most of the episodes somebody's come in and it 127 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.600 It is the coolest thing in the world. When you know, Daisy Duke 128 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.480 comes walking in, it's like your teenage your teenage poster walked in off the 129 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:15.879 walls. Yeah. Yeah, I've looked through, uh, some of your 130 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.960 monstrosity resume of guests and it's just crazy, man. It's absolutely insane, 131 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:26.720 very diff and it's always it's it's very diverse, and it's it's you know, 132 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:28.279 there's rock stars too, I mean, like the recent episode, most 133 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.120 recent episode is John Anderson, the lead singer of Yes Yea, who's a 134 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.360 legendary rock star in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame for God's sakes. 135 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.440 Yeah, you know, and and and you know, I had Shadows stevens 136 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:45.200 On as a famous radio guy, Shadows stevens Yeah, which I had made 137 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:52.240 him count down America's top five arts of Daisy Dukes. But you know, 138 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.000 Catherine back, she wants to come in again. She's ready to come in 139 00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:01.240 every episode I think, um Lonnie Anderson's come in U you know, just 140 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:05.600 recently had Natasha Henstridge from Species. Yeah, she was good. I just 141 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:09.080 had just recorded a new episode a couple of days ago. And you're the 142 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.080 first guy I'm telling anywhere in the world who it is. Here. Your 143 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.159 audience is about to get an advanced preview. Here you go, folks hearing 144 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:20.279 it here first. The new episode about to come out probably this week. 145 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:26.960 Uh is Christanna Locan, the super hot blonde from Terminator three. Yeah, 146 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:35.039 she came in, you know, was very distracting. Olivia Diabo came in, 147 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.559 another beautiful woman. Yeah. That that's That's one of the ones that 148 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.480 got me whenever I was younger, uh, growing up watching Wonder Years. 149 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.600 Yeah, she and she was so much fun. She was so much fun 150 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.799 too on the show. She was like, it's so weird because I don't 151 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.559 give them there's no requirements that they have to have any interest in the paranormal 152 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:54.480 or any experience of their own. We don't, you know, put any 153 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.279 of that on them. That's that's our problem, not theirs, you know. 154 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:05.360 And but but they almost always have something to say in that zone from 155 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:09.840 personal experience, almost always. It's it's rare that there's a celebrity sitting there 156 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.279 who came in, did the show and actually doesn't have a thing to add 157 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:18.360 in that area, you know. Um, one example I could think of 158 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.879 a somebody who definitely seemed really distant from the paranormal thing, like almost like 159 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.159 uh, yeah, yeah, I did your show, but then don't follow 160 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:30.919 me at this paranormal. A little bit of that was was Mike the Moon 161 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:37.000 from Fast Times at Richemond High, Robert Rabatic, Yeah, who was a 162 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.039 great guest, and and it was the weirdest thing sitting opposite him, and 163 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:43.320 it was like it was the moan. He talks like the moan, he 164 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.960 looks like the money said, so you're back and forth going to tell me 165 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.960 about you know something, and he's like, well, I gotta tell you 166 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.080 man, I had some nice team. You know, he's not putting on 167 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.639 a character like that delivery. Uh. And this led on and on like 168 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:03.320 an hour. But I remember when we went to the Paranormal Guy and I 169 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.000 don't remember it was the UFO guy. I can't remember, you know what 170 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.799 the theme was that, but whoever it was, I remember he sort of 171 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:11.519 bailed out. He sort of he was there, he was in the room 172 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:16.240 physically, but he wasn't really there. It was sort of like fifteen minutes 173 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.840 of me talking to a UFO guy and maybe every sophon going Robert together and 174 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.159 they're gonna say every gay No, not really just kind of listening along. 175 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.960 He starts thumbing around on his song like yeah, yeah, aliens got it. 176 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.399 Yeah I think um. Another one that was a little like that was 177 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:41.759 we had Kenny bang Yet from Seinfeld on the show Stephen Heydener, and he 178 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.960 was very very funny, really funny episode, but he walked out and took 179 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:52.000 a piss during the paranorm book guy. Wow. Wow, I mean, 180 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.240 you know, hey, it's not for everyone. You know. Yeah, 181 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.399 yeah, but that was the only guy I've ever seen that there was no 182 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.799 explanation. I remember sitting there thinking, where's he going? Actually actually got 183 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:11.480 ghosted on a paranormal show. Yeah, it was weird. U. Then 184 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.639 other people have surprised me with how involved their paranormal story was. Lonnie Anderson, 185 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.440 you know, had a really detailed thing about being haunted when she was 186 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:28.480 filming, um oh, town's name is Jane Mansfield, the Jane Mansfield movie, 187 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.519 the one where she plays Jane Mansild and Arnold Schwartz and Arnold Schwartzer plays 188 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:35.080 her husband in that movie. Actually it's like nineteen eighty eighty one. Anyway, 189 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.919 they were filming it at Mansfield's house and Lonnie ended up telling us all 190 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:45.799 about the Chief Fields that she was being haunted by Jane Mansfield's ghost on the 191 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.679 set to the point where she was visited by the ghost. She saw that 192 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.360 operation was visited by the ghost, the James Mansfield ghost while she was showering 193 00:13:54.639 --> 00:14:00.480 in in Mansfield's house. And I couldn't help it, Asknie, are you 194 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.480 sure that wasn't a photographer ghosts visiting Jamie visiting Lonnie in the shower. Okay, 195 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:09.639 but yeah, everybody is visiting Lonnie in the show. Yeah, yeah, 196 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.159 who wouldn't take this visitation? Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you 197 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.360 were in here. Yeah exactly, I mean that was probably an Arnold actually, 198 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.360 um. And then the who was the other one? Oh, Robert 199 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.559 Charden from Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah, he uh. He had an 200 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:28.440 unexpected story that was like a I don't know if you called this teleconnie, 201 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.159 not teleconniese. What would you call it when you your mind causes something to 202 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.759 happen. Yeah, he was sitting at a diner or something, but talking 203 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:37.639 with a guy, you know, across the table, and the guy was 204 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:43.039 telling him some story about somebody else they mutually knew in show business. It 205 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.320 was something that pissed him off. Like Chardin was getting really pissed, you 206 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.879 know that this real enemy of his just book some gigantic role that he wanted 207 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.639 a book or he's something like that that made him anger. And and while 208 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:58.320 he's getting seething mad hearing this story, and I could be I'm completely kind 209 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:00.759 of making up the contract right now. I don't remember what it was that 210 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.080 made him angry. I have to go back and listening to the episode so 211 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.759 what I just said is fictional. But but whatever it was that made him 212 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.679 mad, whatever that Jean this, you know, the subject was something was 213 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:13.320 making him mad as he listened to this story. And he's looking across the 214 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.159 table and his friend who's got a glass of water or something while they're having 215 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.879 this conversation, and he's staring at the glass of water with the seething anger 216 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.200 about whatever was he was mad about, and the glass of water shattered into 217 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:31.240 a million piece WHOA do you think that people in general have like some sort 218 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:37.360 of innate psychic ability and just sometimes it comes out and sometimes others can kind 219 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.919 of manipulate it easier than others, or do you think it's just some random 220 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:45.639 occurrence that doesn't really exist inside of us. I don't know. I mean, 221 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:46.279 haven't given that much s thought. What do you think I'm just kind 222 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:54.240 of paranormal guy or something. I mean, so, actually, I don't 223 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:58.279 you know that one. I that area of paranormal is not stuff I'm super 224 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.960 up on. I mean, I know you know of these sort of instance 225 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:07.200 spontaneous combustion and that kind of in the Charodeene story, but obviously I don't 226 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:14.080 don't don't know anyone else who spontaneously blew up or made a glass shatter across 227 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:18.200 the room from it. So so it's it's hard to like, it's harder 228 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.480 to get your head around that one. Have you ever experienced anything yourself, 229 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:26.039 like I knew someone was gonna call before they called, or something. I 230 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:30.360 mean probably that that that to me would seem kind of minor, A new 231 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:36.399 someone's gonna call before I'm sure I happened. Um, I'm thinking more like 232 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:38.559 the big stuff like Caardeen's thing with a glass shatter and then that No, 233 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:42.639 that would be that would be a hard No. Yeah, nothing like that 234 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:49.679 happened, das. But I mean we've we've all had little sure I'm sure, 235 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.600 yes, yeah, we've all had like, you know, a six 236 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.080 what would you call that sixth sense? You know that something? You know, 237 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:57.759 Yeah, we've all had that. We all a descha vous. You 238 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.279 know, everyone experiences that where you feel like, wait a minute, I've 239 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.160 been here for I know I know exactly what's gonna happen next. I'm gonna 240 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:06.559 turn to my left, my dog's gonna run by, and then I'm gonna 241 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:07.799 go down the stairs, and my wife's gonna say this to me. Like 242 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:11.279 we all have like that fifteen seconds or like I have done all this before. 243 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.359 I know exactly what's gonna happen next. You know, that's always weird. 244 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:17.759 I don't know what that's all. What that is like you like you 245 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:22.119 like you in the past, you got some somewhere in your you know, 246 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.359 in your dreams or something, you've got a glimpse into your future. And 247 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.079 now like as you're living it, you're as you're living it, you're like, 248 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:30.200 wait a minute, I know, I know what's gonna happen next. 249 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.519 Then I'm you know, like the ice cream man is gonna ring the doorbell 250 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.359 and say that I didn't give him enough change, and then and then like 251 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:40.000 you know, the dog is gonna come running back in the backyard, like 252 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:42.880 and then it all happens, and you literally like you almost can point around 253 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:47.920 your home like okay, three two one, doorbell there it goes exactly like 254 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:52.519 I said, you have you have like twenty seconds of that. It's also 255 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:59.240 pretty where that the ice cream man came after you. Yeah, it was 256 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:03.559 like a dollar Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny as you're 257 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:07.319 in on that because you're it in of the thirty five cents collection from ice 258 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:11.519 cream Man. Yeah, but I mean, but it is, it's so 259 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.039 strange. Deja vu is such is a really strange Yeah, And it's always 260 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.640 weird situations. It's it's not like, you know, major events. It's 261 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.000 like you're saying, you know, just random, kind of mundane things like 262 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.640 I remember at one point in time I had it whenever I just like saw 263 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.240 like a can of soda sitting on a table somewhere, and I was like, 264 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.200 oh my god, I've seen this before. I've been here in this 265 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.799 exact spot before with that soda sitting right there. It's never you know, 266 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:38.000 like the end of the world. It's so weird, you know, because 267 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.640 so many people experienced that, I mean pretty much, I would dare say 268 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.640 just about everybody has at some point, you know, like you're saying, 269 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.799 and I just you know, where does it come from? Science hasn't figured 270 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:55.079 that one out yet. For sure. It seems like it's it's just like 271 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.440 we're getting somewhere along the way in a dream or something, we're given a 272 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:03.599 peak into our future. So I'm dying to ask, tell me about your 273 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.440 big foot stuff. Man, what happened? Well, there's been two. 274 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:11.599 There's one I've only talked about maybe one other time, and that's the lesser 275 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.359 stories. I probably that's why I haven't talked about it much, But if 276 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.519 you want, I'll get to that one too. But the bigger one, 277 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.039 the more the one I've talked about more on my podcast in other places is 278 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:27.599 um I'll give you the detailed version. It's the two thousand and seven two 279 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:33.160 thousand and seven I think it is. I was, you know, already 280 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.160 living out in la for a while at that point. But but my my 281 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:42.960 all time favorite band, Genesis was on tour and they were playing New York 282 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.079 that week, so I flew across the country to see the New York shows 283 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:52.640 also, and my wife was with me. And during the course of that 284 00:19:52.680 --> 00:20:00.279 week we went with my father and his wife to an upstate in the York 285 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.000 property my father owned for many, many years. Um. It was a 286 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:08.319 house on top of a mountain, you know, on private property. He 287 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:12.359 owned fifty five acres and the house was way up at the top of the 288 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:17.279 plateau of the mountains. So so you know, the acre it just you 289 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:18.880 know, from the you know, begins at the street level and you go 290 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.759 up like a private like a chain fenced road. You have to unlock to 291 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.880 get to and you drive up this cobble road way up you know, high 292 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.799 and through the through the winding woods to eventually get to the clearing on the 293 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:36.799 plateau where he had this house built up there, and the down slope of 294 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:40.319 the mountain in every direction is also his property. So you're talking a big 295 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:44.559 parcel land the nearest house. And I'm setting up this way for a reason 296 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:48.160 because it really lays out, you know, the foundation of how remote we're 297 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.079 talking about the nearest neighbors are, you know, a half a mile in 298 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.200 any direction, like on other properties of that size. So this is not 299 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.880 a neighborhood like you've been picture in any normal suburban place. This is a 300 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:07.079 house on a mountain in the woods. And my wife and I went up 301 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:12.079 for a couple of nights, and at the time I was marginally into the 302 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:15.920 Bigfoot topic, but I would say I wasn't super well read on it. 303 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:21.039 I was, you know, a childhood viewer of In Search Of and Leonard 304 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:25.000 Nimoy. I was, you know, uh, you know, open to 305 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:29.599 Bigfoot documentaries that kind of toughly interested me on TV. But but I I 306 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:32.880 don't remember if two thousand and seven and Finding Bigfoot was even a show yet, 307 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:34.359 it might have been a brand new show. I'd have looked it up. 308 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:38.960 But it's you know, it's somewhere roughly about when that show probably starts 309 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:42.519 to happen. But anyway, and I was a regular viewer of that, 310 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.960 But but but but I don't. I'm saying all this intentionally because I don't 311 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:52.079 recall like that I was super, super knowledgeable or super into the top. 312 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:56.160 Again, I liked it, was interested in it. Definitely kind of subject 313 00:21:56.200 --> 00:21:59.519 that can catch my attention on television, But I wasn't like really really well 314 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:06.480 read or knowledgeable. Um. And we were up there ten o'clock and night. 315 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:11.319 My wife is out on the balcony of the house looking out the telescope 316 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:14.559 my father had at the very clear skies, you could see the stars everywhere, 317 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:17.839 and she's looking at all that. I'm sitting in the in the living 318 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:21.880 room watching her, you know, through the glass, what what she's out 319 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:26.759 there doing? And I am noticing that she keeps sort of seeming startled and 320 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:30.759 kind of like taking her eyeway from the telescope and kind of looking like what 321 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.799 the hell, kind of looking to the right or left to the dark woods 322 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.039 tree line and you know, getting seeming like she's getting spooked ever resolve and 323 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:41.240 you know, interrupting her looking through the telescope, And that's not like her. 324 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:47.279 I would say, She's definitely nowhere near like me, like really like, 325 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:48.960 you know, on the edge of her seats, afraid of everything like 326 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:53.720 I am, and not and not you know, nearly as well versed on 327 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:57.720 these topics. So I would say it wouldn't be like her, you know, 328 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:03.160 to automatically assume whom there are aliens coming after her and these words i'd 329 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:07.519 be I'd be thinking like that, not her. Um So, so I 330 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.559 thought it was weird that I kept seeing her get startled and kind of turn 331 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:12.839 her head away and look left and right and then go back to what she 332 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:17.039 was doing. Eventually, after ten fifteen minutes, the she pops her head 333 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:19.279 in and says to me, there's something weird out here. I just feel 334 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:22.279 like, you know, hearing noises over there. I'm like, what are 335 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.599 you hearing? She's like, I don't know, like like footsteps or and 336 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.319 then I saw a rabbit run by, looking afraid, and I feel like 337 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.400 something's watching me. She's saying those sort of things. Now, I feel 338 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.759 like something's watching me would hit you or any big foot guy as hold on, 339 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:41.599 that's bigfoot kind of stuff. But that's what I mean when I say 340 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.240 I wasn't that well read on it yet. I didn't. I didn't understand 341 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:52.039 a phrase like I feel like something's watching me to be a big foot type 342 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:57.240 of incident sounding That wasn't that wouldn't they hit me yet? You know a 343 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.359 few years later I would have been aware of that sort of thing. So 344 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:04.279 so I just kind of said, well, just come int forget it, 345 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.599 you know, that was the thing of a layman would say to that and 346 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:15.319 stop looking out the telescope coming out. Um, So she came in and 347 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:19.200 uh, you know, fast forward now that's probably ten eleven a night. 348 00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:23.039 Fast forward now to the middle of the night, and I'm talking dead middle 349 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.000 of night, three thirty in the morning, the middle of night, you 350 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:32.920 know, and sound asleep in the guest room and the the This is a 351 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:38.480 very sturdy log built kind of house, like a large house, like four 352 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:44.359 bedrooms, but like you know that that heavy thick, you know, log 353 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:48.599 cabin construction, like like you know timber that you know you when you when 354 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.279 it's not I don't mean there's something flimsy. I don't mean something temperary. 355 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:53.720 I mean, like, you know, if if you're rund a mind of 356 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:59.079 bulldozer, this I wouldn't knock over. You know. Um, we're sound 357 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:03.759 asleep and all of a sudden the middle of the night, we're awakened from 358 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:11.200 dead, dead sleep, you know, by a boom boom, like a 359 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.359 couple two or three boom hits next to our heads on this log cabin, 360 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:21.319 you know, next to the guest room. And when you're dead asleep in 361 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:25.359 the dark of the woods, you know, such a quiet up state place, 362 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:33.119 and something wakes you that suddenly this will maybe forever be the undoing of 363 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.920 this incident. But we neither of us like jumped up out of the bed 364 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:45.160 and like peeked open the blinds, like we we just were so suddenly woken 365 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:49.319 from such dead sleeps that we just looked at each other and went, what 366 00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:55.880 what the hell you know kind of and just fell right back down, like 367 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.119 our head just fell right back to the billows, and we went back to 368 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:03.720 sleep out. The big Foot intensive listener is listening to this, going you 369 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.200 idiots, you missed a Class A siding right next to you. You know, 370 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:14.480 my attitude in my head right now whenever I retell the story and I 371 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.720 think about it, because I could picture us there, I remember it also. 372 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:22.240 Well, my attitude about it is thank god we didn't peek up in 373 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.440 those blinds, because as I continue the story, you'll understand that I'm positive 374 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:32.079 there was a very large, big foot standing right there at that window, 375 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:37.279 right next to the window sill where he smashed the wall next to our heads, 376 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.839 and I would have been face to face with him. And I literally 377 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.799 peeked the blinds open just a foot away from the bed, I'd have been 378 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.559 face to face with him, and I'd probably still be unconscious in that room 379 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.920 right now. So I'm actually glad that didn't happen. But you know, 380 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.720 the Matt moneymaker type. That's my second Matt money vote maker invocation of this 381 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.680 call the Matt money maker type. Yeah, don't say him a third time. 382 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.440 Yeah, you know, he he he would forever be regretting, you 383 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.799 know that he didn't do that. And on the opposite, I'm so glad 384 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.400 um. But but anyway, we did go right back to sleep, but 385 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:18.440 there was no further banging on the wall anyway. The next day I crept 386 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.599 around outside you know, just out of curiosity, right by the window to 387 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.319 see, like what does it look like out there? Exactly how high is 388 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:26.839 this window from the floor. Like I took it all in and like, 389 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:33.400 you know, made note of it. And the window was probably nine feet 390 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.519 off the ground. Um. The wall next to it, you know, 391 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.079 you know, anything is smashing, The wall next to the smashing nine ten 392 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:47.599 feet up. Um. The ground wasn't disturbed over there. It was grass 393 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.400 up to a point I think, like up to very close to the house, 394 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.039 maybe maybe to a foot or two from the house. It was maybe 395 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.160 something harder, like like a hard packed dirt, you know, in shrubbery 396 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.880 or something, but most of his grass up to roughly up to it. 397 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.559 And there was nothing disturbed looking certainly no dead animals or anything. Um. 398 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.400 And I And I said to my father that morning, and he's an ex 399 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.839 New York cop and definitely not a believer type. I said to him, 400 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.799 did you hear anything weird last night? Yeah? He's like, no, 401 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.640 what are you talking about? I told him what happened and he and he 402 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:25.759 said something, you know, typical layman kind of responds something like that's probably 403 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:30.799 a deer. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if a 404 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.599 deer ran into the wall of the house in the middle of the night, 405 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:40.359 I am twice. There's so many at this at this force too, at 406 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:45.079 nine feet in height. There's so many different things that are wrong with that 407 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.880 staatement. First of all, twice was a good, good observation. Yep, 408 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.200 that's a good one. Another one is nine feet Another one is wouldn't 409 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.480 he be unconscious and dead right there right now? Yeah, still laying there 410 00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:03.039 right Another one is it was he blind? Um? I mean, there's 411 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:04.839 so many things wrong. And then if you you know, if I probably, 412 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.799 if I probe further, my father he probably would have said that bear. 413 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.039 It's you know, almost as stupid, you know, I mean, 414 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:18.200 like a bear who would now be laying there with a shattered arm in his 415 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.480 defense though that's what most people go to, you know, when I think 416 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.839 that's one of the reasons big Foot's stayed hidden for so long is because people 417 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:32.279 are just no offense to your father, very stupid. Whenever it comes to 418 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.279 date or and things out of the ordinary, it's not in there. It's 419 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.880 just not in their realms of possibilities. Not think it must have been a 420 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:45.720 bird, you know, a bird flu and in the middle of and we're 421 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.119 talking about a force that let's just pretend that was you, not a big 422 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.680 foot. Did you did that? Okay, I'm telling you now, your 423 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.400 arm would have been shattered to dust. Yeah, the force this thing hit 424 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.640 it with. Okay, your arm would have been shatter or to dust. 425 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.759 You couldn't have have hit this wall with this kind of force. You could 426 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:10.000 not have done that without being in a major medical problem at that point. 427 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.319 Um, So it wasn't you. And let's and let's and let's just stay 428 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.920 again with the human thing, you know, whatever human that was not only 429 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:23.119 got severely injured, they also walked up onto a private fifty five acre property, 430 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:29.279 passed chains and fences up a cobblestone road deep into the woods in the 431 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.599 middle night, just to smash the wall next to my wife. Brought something 432 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.880 to stand on so they could retire at the wall right right, left, 433 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:41.279 no trace of themselves. Um, you know, risk being shot. Definitely 434 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:47.920 wouldn't father, Okay, Now I do remember asking my father. You know, 435 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.960 at some point around this time, I just probed further with him. 436 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.480 It was probably after him just coming back to me out. It was probably 437 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.440 after because it was after this incident that I actually got much more into the 438 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.440 Bigfoot topic. I think this incident was what provoked me to like, you 439 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:08.359 know, take more seriously some of the shows I was watching that point, 440 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.920 the Monster Quest I think, was probably already on, and I think if 441 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.799 I recall, Monster Quest had an incident that reminded me of mine. That 442 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.000 was, you know, banging on the wall of the cabin kind of into 443 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.079 and I remember it conjured up for me, Hey, that's sort of like 444 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:26.480 what happened to me, you know. So it all of that got me 445 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.680 much more curious and got me more you know, deeply read on the topic. 446 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.920 And then if I recall, I went back to my father like months 447 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:37.160 later, now more red on it. I asked him more about the property, 448 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.359 like you've never seen anything weird up there, and all kinds of stuff 449 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:45.279 started coming out in him, like that his dog didn't like being put in 450 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.880 the dog run and left for the afternoon, staying up there by himself. 451 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.440 And the dog wasn't particularly like that, you know, on a island where 452 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.240 they lived most of the time, but upstate in New York, the dog 453 00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.079 didn't like being in the run, and like they would leave and dog in 454 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.480 the run like the dog. It seems spooked, you know, spending the 455 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.400 day by that, you know, not a great piece of evidence, but 456 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.200 when you cumutively put it together with different things, I'm about to add it 457 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.000 all starts adding up to a picture. Another one was my father had found 458 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:21.839 several deer with broken back legs that they broke their legs jumping into the cabin, 459 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.599 right yeah, yeah, yeah, broke it but like you know, 460 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:29.440 broke like a broken ankle, back ankle. Hear, like on the on 461 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.079 the cobblestone road, you know, on the gravel road that leads up to 462 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.559 the house. You know, say, you know, a quarter mile down 463 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.640 the road, but on the property, like he like, he always thought 464 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:42.079 that was weird and he didn't quite note what to attribute that to. Um. 465 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.279 Another one, this is to me the biggest one was as I got 466 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:52.759 more well read on the topic, I discovered the Whitehall Monster and all the 467 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:58.440 stories about the Whitehall monster. Well that caused me to map where the hell 468 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.440 Whitehall was, and to my amazement, Whitehall was like a half hour down 469 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:07.200 the road. Really, I mean, as you know, Whitehall has had 470 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.039 sighting reports forever, you know, right, well, Whitehall, Whitehall is 471 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.720 the same air. It's like, you know, it's a neighboring town to 472 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.319 where I was when this happened into a big foot person. I mean, 473 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.960 this sounds like a typical property that has big foot activity going on right right 474 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:29.640 and and and I you know, I told H ended up reporting it to 475 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.000 the b f R before I ever knew Matt. Third invocation mat before I 476 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.799 knew Matt. I reported it to the BFR. Oh this is pre podcast, 477 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:38.680 you know, pre I'm not in that universe yet, you know where 478 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.759 I know people like him. So I reported it as you know, just 479 00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:46.839 a regular person to the b f R, and they ended up calling me 480 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.799 to get the investigator for that region. This guy, I forget his name, 481 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.119 ended up calling me um and he interviewed me for like an hour and 482 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.559 a half on the phone all about it. Like he like he pulled all 483 00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.880 kinds of details out of me that like I didn't even you know, think 484 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.279 we're significant or remembered. But but he would ask me questions that caused me 485 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.400 to wait a minute, you know what, you're right, that was this 486 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.039 way or for example, he asked me, I remember, asked me if 487 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.760 the if the window next to our heads, you know, in the bedroom 488 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.199 if that was open, like if if it was if it was if it 489 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:16.880 was a screen, there was a screen and it was open where you could 490 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:21.440 smell us outside, basically is what he was saying, and the answers, 491 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.480 yeah, it was. Um another thing he remember, he asked me this 492 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.400 one. He specifically asked me this one in a call back. He called 493 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.079 me like twice over a couple of days, probably an hour plus in each 494 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.679 call, and I remember this one was the main reason he called me back 495 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.280 the second time. And at the time I was like, this is this 496 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.159 is such a weird universe. And my wife was even more weird about But 497 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.320 the question he called me back to ask me was, was my wife menstruay? 498 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.239 Yeah? She was huh. I mean it starts to paint a picture, 499 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.360 doesn't it right now? Now when I later on, you know, 500 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.840 several years later, I'm doing my podcasts and I do start to you know, 501 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:07.639 meet people that are really in this world, um Bobo, Matt and 502 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:15.199 others, and I tell them this story. They start ringing it up absolutely 503 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.920 as a big foot intend And Matt actually went as far as digging into the 504 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.119 BFO file since he's the president of the company and he dug into them and 505 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:27.400 found my report and read it himself, and I think he probably called the 506 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.719 investigator and asked him what his impressions were further impression sport besides what he wrote 507 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:36.159 in the report, and uh matt ended up telling me personally that he, 508 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.800 you know, he considers it about sighting side, not eyesighting. But but 509 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:44.679 I think they would call a class B where I didn't see anything but had 510 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.679 you know, it's the best explanation is a big foot, right, yeah? 511 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:53.519 Um, I mean I countless stories. Whenever I first got involved in 512 00:35:53.599 --> 00:36:00.400 this, it was like probably around nineteen ninety nine, two ISHM and I 513 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.800 started going out into the field in two thousand and one or two thousand and 514 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.639 two, I can't really remember, but I mean one of the first things 515 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:16.960 that you started hearing that was just an extreme commonality was bigfoot smacking the sides 516 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:23.119 of people's houses. Something that stood out about your story to me personally was 517 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:28.320 all the times I've heard people say that it happened right by their head when 518 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.440 they're laying in bed in their bedroom at night, right And it's you know, 519 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:37.239 really kind of uncanny how the bigfoot knows where you're at inside the room. 520 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.199 And you know which wall to slap and everything. But like you're saying, 521 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:45.360 you had a window right there that was apparently open, so that would 522 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:50.679 certainly explain that, right, And and he for a call. It was 523 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.039 like he smashed, you know, just to the right of it, and 524 00:36:54.199 --> 00:37:00.320 it was it was with real force. It was with force that just I 525 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.199 don't care how big of a human we're talking about, they just couldn't have 526 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.760 done this. Even Andre the giant would have been severely injured. His bones 527 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.079 couldn't have taken the amount of force he hit that way, they would have 528 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:16.079 shattered. I mean, nine feet off the ground. How far away was 529 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:22.599 the bed from the window close a foot? So I mean, in theory, 530 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.320 this thing could have been standing at the window looking in the window and 531 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:28.880 just reached over and smacked the wall and was still looking to see if it 532 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.119 woke you up and what your reaction would be, right, which is exactly 533 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:37.360 why I mentioned that. I'm so glad I didn't just take the blinds because 534 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.400 the book these were Venetian blinds. All I had to do was, you 535 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.159 know, just put my two fingers there, like open them. Yeah, 536 00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.199 we would have been iq I. And I'm telling you i'd there were not 537 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:52.000 enough smelling salts. I would still be out right now, still be land 538 00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.159 there. Yeah, yeah, that would be absolutely terrified. That would have 539 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.920 been a face to face. But I'm also I'm also glad that I didn't 540 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.800 always much about the topic at the time as I do now because I because 541 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:07.559 if let's say that we're now, let's say that happened yesterday, I would 542 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:14.119 have understood what that was, and I that even without peeking open the blinds, 543 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.039 I would have been terrified. Like I would have. I would have 544 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.039 ran ten feet to the other side of the room, the other the other 545 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.039 wall, and been like, you know, up against the wall, going 546 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:28.079 oh my god. Yeah, my naive ty helped me in this case because 547 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:32.360 I didn't understand what is you know, there are inches separating me from this. 548 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:38.199 A lot of people that have encounters that you know, have an emotional 549 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:43.480 effect on them, uh, you know. I run across signs of trauma 550 00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.800 all the time talking to witnesses, and that's kind of where I tried to 551 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.000 put them back in that mindset. I'm like, hey, think about all 552 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:54.079 the times before you knew these things were out there, that you were out 553 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:58.840 in the woods and everything was just fine. You know that you were still 554 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.400 out there. It still exists before you knew they were real. After that 555 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.559 door is opened, though it's hard to shut it. You raised a good 556 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.239 point here that it never occurs to me, you know, and now you 557 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:14.119 just said visited. Now it's occurring to me how many times I had been 558 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.719 on that property before that. My father owned that property since the late sixties, 559 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:23.400 and for a long time we had you know, this property, but 560 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.440 he didn't have a house built on it. He bought the property in the 561 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.000 late sixty has been a incredible deal on this property up state in New York, 562 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.400 and he just bought it and it was just a big fifty five acre 563 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.920 property with nothing on it but woods, you know. I remember he would 564 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.360 sell pine trees as Christmas trees. Like we wouldn't stay on the side of 565 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.320 the road and of them. But I mean he let like, you know, 566 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.760 some guy come up there and caught him every year and round him up 567 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.159 and sell him and he would, you know, make some money on Christmas 568 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.719 trees like that was like one of the little things he had going on from 569 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.920 that property. But we didn't have a house on the property, as a 570 00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:04.119 family vacation house until about nineteen eight. Somewhere around nineteen eighty, I remember 571 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.840 the house was constructed. And from nineteen eighty on when we'd go up there, 572 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:13.280 it wasn't just to like walk around this weird woods we owned with my 573 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.719 father going and the trees are looking big this year, like for no reason, 574 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.920 you know. Um, you know, we weren't even we weren't hunters. 575 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.480 We've just owned woods for no reason. We weren't like we were doing 576 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.320 nothing with them at all. We were hunting, We weren't tapping maple syrup. 577 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:31.519 We weren't I don't know why we own this place until until in nineteen 578 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.679 eighty it suddenly had a vacation home on its plateau. You know. Now 579 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.239 there was like a you know, like a logical reason to come to come 580 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:42.400 here. We weren't just staying in a motel down the street and looking at 581 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.440 those woods are going a lot of leaves fall in this fall, you know. 582 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:51.400 Um. And so we would go to this house starting in nineteen eighty 583 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.559 and actually stay in the house on the property overnight, not at a motel 584 00:40:54.599 --> 00:41:00.079 down the street. And that I probably did that dozens of times between nineteen 585 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:05.119 eighty and two thousand and seven and didn't know anything about Bigfoot, didn't you 586 00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:07.960 know. My biggest concern if I was thinking about wildlife sort of stuff, 587 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:12.719 would have been maybe bears. Maybe even that would be kind of rare upstate 588 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.119 New York. Like you know, black bears aren't as common there as they 589 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:22.000 are saying California. Yeah, so while a bear was totally possible, it 590 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.639 would be a rarity. It wouldn't be a common thing. A hell of 591 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.960 a lot more common with deer that you see a lot, you know, 592 00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:32.519 turkeys, things like that, But those would be the you know, the 593 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.320 quote unquote wild animals I was I was thinking about while I was there anytime 594 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.760 between nineteen eighty and two thousand and seven, wild turkeys, deer, rabbits, 595 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:45.159 things like that, and never what I've thought about bigfoot. Now when 596 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.880 I you know, provoked by what you just said, I'm thinking about all 597 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.639 the times I've been up there, and all the times we might have been 598 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:58.280 watched, and all the times I might have been within one hundred feet of 599 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.320 a bigfoot, and all the time time that I remember I wandered off at 600 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.760 three o'clock in the afternoon and just walked around the woods by myself because it 601 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:10.440 was just an unusual place for a New York, you know, city suburban 602 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:16.119 kid to be upstate New York that that far removed from the city was on 603 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:21.960 was not typical of my life. So like it was neat to me to 604 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:23.679 like, you know, just walk around the woods, like just be in 605 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:28.719 the kind of quiet of the woods, you know. And I would wander 606 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.760 off by myself and just walk around and stare and you know, let my 607 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.280 imagination run wild what this is and what that is? Is a twelve year 608 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.880 old and a little did I know I was. I could have been fifty 609 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:44.199 feet from two Bigfoot at any given moment. You know. When I think 610 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.719 back now, based on what you just said and how close a call I 611 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.639 probably had over and over again, it's terrified. I would really be interested 612 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.400 find I mean there, I know there's no way to do this, but 613 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.360 I wonder if anything took place while they were building the house house, you 614 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:06.360 know, like clearing the land and actually constructing the house, because you hear 615 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.599 about that sometimes in other places, you know, like construction sites getting messed 616 00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:13.679 with. Yeah, there's there's probably no way for me to find out. 617 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.679 I kind of vaguely remember the name of the guy who was involved in the 618 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.400 construction. Um, you know, you know unique name, and I kind 619 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.280 of vaguely remember it. But we're also talking about probably nineteen seventy eight, 620 00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:28.880 seventy nine. Um, I don't I don't know that guy still alive. 621 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.400 Even if he were, I mean, you would be an absolute nutcase. 622 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.480 I can't even imagine that. Now. Yeah, listen, you remember seventy 623 00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.320 eight, you build a house in Cambridge, New York. It was on 624 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.480 the corner of blah blah blah blah blah. I don't know, I might 625 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:46.760 have. I've done a lot of stuff, and you know I lived in 626 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.719 Washington. Kind of a whole life stun of seventy eight. Now, yeah, 627 00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.519 well do you remember did you find any large foot print? Ye? 628 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.639 Anyone you know moving in those logs when you were you know, you built 629 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.119 a log cavals? Anyone ever picked one up and move on? Like, 630 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.559 hey, why did that move? The don't can move that? Yeah, 631 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:07.519 I mean I don't remember a guy named Clem and uh, I mean yeah, 632 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:10.920 just it would be a really weird conversation, uh with a guy that 633 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:15.440 I doubted alive. But but but my father is actually the guy For me 634 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.840 to ask you know for any other weird remembrances, and I doubt he has 635 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.960 more for me than what he he ultimately told me, you know, months 636 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.239 later. But but those were pretty good ones. A couple of times you 637 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.679 found dead dealer, a broken back leg. Um, yeah, you know, 638 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.920 the dog always being afraid to hang around on the dog run and being 639 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.679 left for the afternoon, which wasn't typical of that dog. The dog generally, 640 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:44.119 you know, wasn't a skittish dog. Um, those were a couple 641 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.599 of good ones. So is the property still in your family and everything? 642 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:51.639 Unfortunately it is not. As of only a few years ago, um, 643 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.599 maybe four years ago or so, my father sold it to someone else, 644 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.800 and so someone else lives in the house now. I mean, I'm positive 645 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.039 my father could tell me who that is, and I could theoretically get in 646 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.159 contact with that guy. It's not somebody I personally know where ever met, 647 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.880 But my father knows who he sold it to, and I'm sure if I 648 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.360 had to get in contact with the guy, I could and ask him if 649 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:20.920 anything word's been going on. But but again, another awkward especially specialized the 650 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:22.800 fact that I'm pretty sure that he told me he sold it to a judge 651 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:28.400 as in, you know, criminal or judge who would probably have me locked 652 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.000 up immediately after, you know, soon as I started making these calls. 653 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:36.840 Have you been able to kind of persuade your dad any since that event maybe 654 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:45.639 be open to the idea it's not just that he's just it's not that type. 655 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:51.039 It's just a certain like you said, it's a it's a certain kind 656 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:55.840 of blindfold and in the human mind that most people are wearing. Yeah. 657 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:04.480 Um, and you know my father is very much of like the type that 658 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:09.159 you picture having that blindfold on most securely x top that type, you know 659 00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:15.400 what I mean? Sure you mentioned another or less significant event. Did that 660 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:17.119 happen at this property or was it somewhere O? No, No, it's 661 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.880 it was in California, and it's far less significant, but it but I 662 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:28.280 still find it strange. And I think I did tell Matt this story also, 663 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.000 and he thought this was pretty weird, like he considered it the right 664 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:36.239 place for this sort of thing to happen. I was on a private tour 665 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:45.679 of Yosemite maybe seven eight years ago, and it wasn't dead of winter, 666 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.000 it wasn't a snowy time of year, and I don't remember it necessarily being 667 00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.880 anything unusual climate wise. It just kind of kind of an average normal time 668 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.559 of year, like not too hot, not too cold, definitely not snowy. 669 00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.239 So so nothing like that is involved in in what I might have been 670 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.599 seeing or miss seeing. Um. But we were on a private tour and 671 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:07.639 my wife and I were like in a in a in like this van with 672 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:14.360 a tour guide driver and maybe two other couples that we didn't know that you 673 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:15.880 know, that we were paired up with on this tour, and it was 674 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:21.880 just the whole day where he drove you around Yosemite to like different the different 675 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.559 highlights of the park, Like here's this I forget what those things are called, 676 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:28.920 but you know those crazy rock walls people climb and stuff there. Um, 677 00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:32.800 So you know this waterfall and that thing and this thing, and then 678 00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.840 uh, at some point we were on one of these high peaks where you're 679 00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:43.400 looking across a valley at one of the other famous you know cliff side rock 680 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:49.920 wall things that these lunatics climb up thousands of peak um, and and we're 681 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.760 just you know at this you know, the photo overlook spot he took us 682 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.880 to where you could take pictures, you know, incredible pictures across the valley 683 00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:04.519 at this thing, and the other side was no man's land. It was 684 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.280 it was. It was a sheer rock wall with a flat, you know, 685 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:14.360 rock face at the top, and maybe some tree line at the very 686 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.679 back of that rock face, probably like I start to estimate, but probably 687 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.719 you know, more than seventy five yards from the edge, you know, 688 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:27.000 the tree line might start so otherwise, so it's mostly rock, and then 689 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.199 about seventy five yards in the distance of that rock is the beginning of tree 690 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:37.920 line. And I'm looking across and I'm seeing in broad daylight, I'm seeing 691 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:45.159 objects like at the distance where they looked like stick figures, almost like but 692 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:51.320 tall erect objects, two or three moving changing positions, like one would move 693 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.000 to the right and you know, and then another thing would kind of move 694 00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:59.320 to the left and they'd be standing still, and then like that the different 695 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.079 one would change editions, and I'm like, what is that over there? 696 00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:07.320 Like I'm trying to stare squinting in broad daylight at these in the distance stick 697 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.480 figures moving in a place where no humans should be able to be or no 698 00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.039 one should be able to get up there. There was no one climbing the 699 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.719 rock face that day. There's no one I'm not even one hundreds in short 700 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.719 that I was looking at a rock face that people do climb. This might 701 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:23.800 even have been too high, but but it was. It was just weird 702 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.960 that there were things moving over there, and I was I just remember telling 703 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.800 Matt that one and him being like, you know, he seemed to have 704 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.079 a better understanding of the park and where I was talking about, and was 705 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.840 like, yeah, that that's weird, like nothing should be doing that. 706 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.039 And I also, I do remember that I was really into Bigfoot at that 707 00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:44.320 time. This is a point in time that Yoursemi trip happened during a point 708 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.920 in time where I was really reading a lot, and like every big Foot 709 00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.199 book I can get my hands on, I was soaking in and you know, 710 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.239 laying on beach vacations reading you know, people's big Foot stories. That's 711 00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:00.760 what I'm laying on the beach reading and Kancoon. And during that that whole 712 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:06.679 day, I remember driving the driver crazy was big Foot questions because this guy 713 00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.480 drove all day every day in Yosemite all the time, and so like the 714 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:14.599 whole ride, I'm going like like other people are asking normal questions like they're 715 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.920 going, so a lot of hikers get lost out here. I mean, 716 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.000 this is this is way out here in the woods. I mean, you 717 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.599 got a lot of rescues you gotta do. And next guy's going, you 718 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.840 got a lot of fire risk out here. I'm in a really fire. 719 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.519 Once you get a fire going up here, there's really no way to put 720 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.159 it out. It's amazing these guys could even put anything out of here. 721 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.280 And I'm going see the big foots around them, and you gotta you know, 722 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.079 you're having a lot of sasquad. You know, I'm slipping those questions 723 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.519 and left it right throughout this whole day, to the point where the guy 724 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.880 thought I was insane. I think. But at some point, after maybe 725 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:52.039 my tenth question of the day, the guy turned to me quietly and he 726 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.320 said to me, when I was kind of sitting near the front, he 727 00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:58.960 turned to me quietly and he said, I've seen stuff up here. Anyone 728 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:04.599 who's worked up here seeing things? Wow, No, but it was right 729 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.559 out of like, um, what what's that guy's name? The guy who 730 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.639 does the uh the missing hunting hunting people? Um, right out of like 731 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:16.320 his world, you know, like like because Yosemite is one of those places 732 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.360 where that stuff goes on. Yeah, you know, and for sure, 733 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.679 and I think, you know, Bigfoot or not, whether we're talking about 734 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:28.360 Bigfoot or not. You know, I think Yosemite is the most notorious place 735 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:32.039 in California for missing people in general. Let's even take the Bigfoot thing out. 736 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:37.280 I think it's a place where, like, even in even in less 737 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:43.840 um mysterious circumstances, there's a lot of suicides, a lot of um serial 738 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.039 killers, dump bodies, a lot a lot goes on at Yosemite. Yeah, 739 00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:52.400 a lot of death. Right. So these figures that you saw, 740 00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:57.639 I mean, I realize that you you know, you're looking at them from 741 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:01.880 a very far distance and everything. But I mean, are we talking could 742 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:06.159 you tell if they were like upright on two legs? Were they all kind 743 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.119 of similar in high couldn't make out two legs similar in height? Yes? 744 00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:14.639 And you know it seemed like the like the let's call them lines in the 745 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:19.400 distance. The line seemed similar in height and seemed upright, narrow lines moving 746 00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:23.639 you know. Um, you know, imagine if you were able to cut 747 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:29.159 a tree down to you know, from from its thirty feet in height to 748 00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:31.480 you know, a third of its height to ten feet. It would look 749 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:38.079 to you at a great distance like a like a a narrow brown stick moving 750 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:43.880 changing places. Yeah, you know, um, that's what it sort of 751 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.440 looked like. And and I couldn't make it any more detail. I just 752 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.519 can tell you that the location, the plateau that we're talking about, nothing 753 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:57.239 should be up there moving. That's not a place you can get to. 754 00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.679 Yeah, I mean, I'm just sitting here kind of thinking. You know, 755 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:05.679 obviously I don't know the location that you're talking about, but from the 756 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:09.880 description and everything, I mean, any sort of thing that would be moving 757 00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:15.079 would have to be you know, some sort of animal or something obviously, 758 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:20.159 and uh, an animal at that distance, I mean, I don't think 759 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.760 you'd even see it to begin with. I think that whatever you were seeing 760 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:29.239 would have to be very large for it to even to register and and and 761 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:36.320 had had it had the narrowness that a human or bigfoot kind of figure would 762 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.480 have, it didn't have that that like the stoutness that the four legged animal 763 00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:44.199 would have, you know, and also the types of four legged animals we're 764 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.599 talking about that even I guess could potentially be at those sort of heights, 765 00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:52.760 might be rams or maybe you know, elk or something it was. It 766 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:57.159 didn't have that. That's not the that's not the return it was giving me. 767 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.679 You know, earlier we were talking about how humans just typically just go 768 00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:07.320 to mundane explanations for events that they can't explain out in the woods and you 769 00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.599 know, situations like that. But at the same time, I do think 770 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:16.280 there is something in us that causes us to have things stand out to us 771 00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:22.960 whenever it is something weird and unordinary, you know, for it to stand 772 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:27.800 out that that gut instinct or whatever, I think we should trust it. 773 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:32.400 And I think this is one of those situations where whatever these things were stood 774 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:37.159 out to you because you know, something wasn't right about it. And this 775 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.719 was you know, as remote and high a plateau as can be. I 776 00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:45.840 mean, this was this was absolutely for for you or me to be on 777 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:51.360 this plateau, absolutely positively, I'm telling you now involves a helicopter. Yeah, 778 00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:58.400 probably not even then. Probably not even then. I mean yeah, 779 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.280 but I mean it's not trust me, it's not where Charlie, Jim and 780 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:07.920 Steve were moving, right, It wasn't some hikers. Uh yeah, here's 781 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:12.360 a good selfie off. Let's go up here, right right, have you 782 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:17.239 ran across in your talks with different celebrities, anybody that has a big foot 783 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.000 story. Lydia Cornell from Too Close for Comfort an All the eighty show, 784 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:27.400 another one of my teenage posters that came walking into the room. Um, 785 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.360 she said she had a big for incident. And I don't know how I 786 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:35.320 did this. I wasn't She's in one of the first few episodes of Monstrosity 787 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.960 and I, I don't know. I got distracted. I wasn't on my 788 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.039 game yet hosting my own podcast. But I never came back to it. 789 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.679 I never let it go. The whole episode goes by, and I think 790 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.719 I shelved it. I think I said, like, oh, that's interesting. 791 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.239 I will come back to that, and I didn't. Well, I 792 00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.800 mean, maybe you could reach out for a part two, but we've become 793 00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.800 we've become a little bit friendly after that. Actually, so like I could 794 00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:04.320 tell st right now, probably while we're doing this interview, gets that's funny, 795 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.800 though, you know, she'd probably find it very strange that a Memorial 796 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:14.119 day, Um, I don't ruined your podcast by revealing with Davis good, 797 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:19.800 You're good. I just she's probably at a strange that at this random time. 798 00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:25.000 Uh, this random sort of relaxed to day, I suddenly texted maybe 799 00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:29.880 the first time in six months. I went by the way, uh three 800 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:31.960 years ago on my podcast. I never got back to this question, what 801 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:36.519 was your big footage? Like, she's a pretty good chance the cops would 802 00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:38.719 probably be here and I have to talk. I was just out barbecuing with 803 00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:43.440 my family and I thought, you know what, I forgot to ask you 804 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.159 about that bigfoot thing. Yeah, it would be a really unique take on 805 00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:54.960 stalking. Hey, maybe that's a new end. Yeah. Um, I 806 00:56:55.079 --> 00:57:00.800 don't remember anyone else having a big foot and said, I do remember her 807 00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:05.800 specifically, she had she had an alien abduction incident that I did follow up 808 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.079 in that episode. She definitely had an incident. Sounded like she was abducted 809 00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:15.559 by aliens. See to me, that's way more terrifying than bigfoot, way 810 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:17.480 more. That's they're all. They're all terrifying to me. But yeah, 811 00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:21.599 that is terrifying. And she had she was you know, she was like 812 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:23.480 eleven years old like you. She had to she had a really she had 813 00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:28.159 a good you know what read to me as an alien abduction story, you 814 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.599 know, And I mean it was so nerve wracking hearing it, and she's 815 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:37.360 so beautiful, and she was such a sex symbol as television story that I 816 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:39.599 said to her, I said, you know, this story is really disturbing. 817 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:44.639 You were eleven years old. Everything about about it sounds like an alien 818 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:45.599 induction to me. I hate to tell you, but I think you're abducted 819 00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.360 by aliens. I said, but the story would I gotta say, Lyddie, 820 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:54.280 the story would have been so much hotter if she were twentieth It would 821 00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:00.559 have been great for your career. Yeah, I mean, I like aliens 822 00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:07.400 abducting twenty year old Lydia Cornell is a point better. Yeah, and we 823 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:14.360 can't really take that any farther. Uh yeah, we're gonna have to sell 824 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.559 that one. I mean, so, what's like the craziest story you've heard 825 00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:22.400 from someone? That was a pretty good one? Um, I'm gonna look, 826 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:24.119 I'm gonna I'll trigger my own memory out now. I looking at my 827 00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:29.039 own guest list if you look while we're talking, and I'll probably think of 828 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.119 who had a good one. Here we go, my own staring at my 829 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:37.519 own guest list. Who's been so many? So there's so many celebrities I've 830 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.840 got to remember who who had what? Yeah, flip through the rolodex. 831 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:45.119 All right, I'm looking right now. Well let's see we had now Kenny 832 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:50.719 Baniel from Seinelle had nothing here, Cornelogy gave you okay. Christopher Knife from 833 00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.360 the Brady Bunch was another guy that was very like distant from the the whole 834 00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:58.719 paranormal thing. Like he was on the show and I think I had him 835 00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.760 on with a locknext monster guy. You know, he asked some interesting science 836 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:06.039 questions. Christopher Knight seems to be kind of a science see guys, like 837 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:10.400 a like an engineering mind or something. But he wasn't like particularly into the 838 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:15.559 paranormal per se, so I don't remember him having an incident. Lonnie Anderson, 839 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:17.840 I gave you the ghost incident Charadeine with the glass, the broken glass, 840 00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:23.000 Catherine Bach had she I remember her telling me that she got a phone 841 00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:29.679 call one time from somebody who had died recently, that they had died like 842 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:30.760 in the last week or two, and they called her and spoke on the 843 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:36.000 phone. That's also something that you hear a lot in the paranormal world. 844 00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.519 I mean, maybe not a lot, but you definitely hear stories of you 845 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:44.519 know, the phantom phone calls from someone who's recently deceased, So that was 846 00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:47.320 a good one. Let's see. Steve Hackett from Genesis did not have a 847 00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:51.159 paranormal story and ran away from the topic when I brought it up, but 848 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.079 he did. He did tell me that Peter Gabriel, when they were on 849 00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:59.199 tour in the early seventies, used to spend his afternoons walking around the United 850 00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:02.320 States wherever they were were, with a metal detector on and headphones, listening 851 01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:06.480 for coins and stuff, looking for coins on the beach and parks. That 852 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:08.679 that's what he would do to kill off a day on tour. That's interesting, 853 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:13.400 which I thought was really interesting. That made Google News actually that that 854 01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.840 revelation point. But it would I mean, I know everything there is to 855 01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:20.239 know about Genesis, and I didn't know that one. And that that's and 856 01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.119 that's a really unique way bands always talk about, you know, when they're 857 01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:27.360 on tour, like they love the gigs, they love the performance, but 858 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:30.880 they can't stand the travel. They can't stand the flights, the hotels and 859 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:36.159 all that is tedious to them, you know, And and the whole idea 860 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.760 that Peter Gabriel International Rock Store, Peter Gabriel that's what he was spending his 861 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:45.719 afternoons doing in Kansas. Yeah, walking around looking for coins, you know, 862 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:50.960 in in in uh Mosquegan. It's just it's it's so hard, it's 863 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.480 it's unreal. The picture all them, that's funny. Peter Gabriel could possibly 864 01:00:54.559 --> 01:01:00.920 own your grandfather's pocket watching. Yeah, I mean, like I think I 865 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.000 said to Steve Hackett, so your roadies were packing, you know, Phil 866 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:09.519 Collins drums, George guitars, and Peter Gabriel's metal different um um shadows. 867 01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:14.960 Stevens end up telling me that he thinks he worked for aliens, kind of 868 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:16.599 like he wasn't joking around. He doesn't mean, he doesn't mean like the 869 01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:20.880 cohen Heads, but he meant like a family that he thinks were aliens. 870 01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:24.079 He like he thought it through and he thinks they were not actually earthenings. 871 01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:29.679 He thinks they were they were from a different planet and he had a teenage 872 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:32.199 job working for them. And he gave the whole detailed story that he feels 873 01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:36.480 he worked for aliens as a teenager. I mean, that's pretty out there. 874 01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:38.360 Yep. I was just gonna say I'd be interested in learning how you 875 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:43.760 know, the steps that led to that conclusion. That would have been a 876 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.280 wild ride. It's it's a while ago, it's a couple of years ago. 877 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:50.679 It's in the episode though, definitely The Shadow Stevens episode has that and 878 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:53.920 him counting down America's top five months. So you know there's a there's a 879 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:58.840 lot of listening there. Uh, let's see him looking through Audrey Landers. 880 01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:02.079 Then remember Award Batman, Robin, but I don't remember him having an alien 881 01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:06.199 thing. He had a lot to say about dogs though. He was talking 882 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.440 about a dog food that has his name on it, and he claims that 883 01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:15.079 his dog food is so healthy and has such incredible properties to it that he 884 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:22.280 knows of dogs and and has dogs himself that are living over twenty five years 885 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:29.159 because of the high quality Burt Ward dog hold on. So you're telling me 886 01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:36.719 that Robin Boy wonder. Yes, Burt Ward came on your show, yes, 887 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:43.920 and hawked his dog food brand's tremendously. So wow, we talk more 888 01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:45.639 about dogs, We talk more about dog food. Man interviews that I've ever 889 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:50.760 talked to anyone about a thing they have going on, or to anyone in 890 01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:52.679 the world about dog food. Yeah, But I mean, like like I 891 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:55.519 always say, whoever it is yeah, anything you want to plug, anything, 892 01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:59.400 want to mention. And nearly every celebrity has like I just did this 893 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.480 film work? Just at that show right, mum about about going tour? 894 01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:07.360 They all have something you know, um and and so usually get the normal 895 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:13.679 amount of plugging from the celebrity, which is par for the course. But 896 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:19.719 Burt Ward had like a half hour of dogs. I wish I wish him 897 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.000 the best of luck with that. I'll have to look into the Burt Ward 898 01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:28.400 brand dog food. And he owns like some gigantic amount of dogs. I 899 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:30.360 can't remember the number, but it was something insane, like he has like 900 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:35.599 twenty five dogs. It was some incredible number of dogs. And he's also 901 01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:38.960 into really gigantic dogs, like his dogs are over one hundred fifty pounds that 902 01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:43.760 he can like ride around his property or something like yeah, yeah, he 903 01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.239 has like he has like he had some crazy thing. It was something like 904 01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:50.159 he's got, you know, twenty five dogs and none of them are less 905 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.800 than one fifty or something like all of them are larger than he is. 906 01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.119 Yeah yeah, And I said to him, I go, I go, 907 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.840 did you have to buy a separate house? I mean, like, how 908 01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:01.760 are you even functioning. That's why he started his own dog food Brandy. 909 01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:04.440 He had to be able to afford to feed them. And I remember he 910 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:08.800 was talking about lunch and every day he comes downstairs to the kitchen, it's 911 01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:11.159 a certain time he makes himself a sandwich. I said, you get to 912 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:15.599 eat that saw like you've got a hundred, one hundred and fifty pounds dollars 913 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:18.719 everywhere you look. Do you even get right? You got to leave the 914 01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:26.000 room with that challenge doesn't seem possible. Um uh. Steve Lucas from Toto, 915 01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:29.320 I don't remember a paranormal thing from him. Richard Klein from Three's Company, 916 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:33.480 Larry Dallas fun guest, I had him get he got a special phone 917 01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:40.360 call in that episode. I had him get a phone call from Heaven from 918 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:45.280 mister Unfurly ran a phone called him with all nine connected directly. I have 919 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:49.440 him mister Unfairly checked in with Richard Klein. It's a very funny phone call. 920 01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:55.639 Jody Sweeten from Full House was on She okay, I remember her having 921 01:04:55.679 --> 01:05:01.400 a paranormal story, but I do remember playing a game of f monster Kill 922 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:09.360 with it, where I I gave her choice of different monsters she could marry, 923 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:13.519 have sex with it, or kill and she played the game with enthusiasm. 924 01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:17.559 The bottom line is is you know squeaky clean Jody Sweeten from Full House, 925 01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:23.840 Stephanie Tanner, Yeah, I've ruined her career. Congratulation. Yeah, 926 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:30.519 she's completely tarnished. Mackenzie Phillips was on. She had a lot of rock 927 01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:32.719 star stories of our call and remember paranormal ones, but she knows tons of 928 01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:38.239 rock stars, you know, growing up the daughter of John Phillips and Shell 929 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:42.320 Phillips was her stepmother, and her whole world was living in Laurel Canyon, 930 01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:45.559 you know, with Crosby Stills in Nash and Paul McCartney coming by the house. 931 01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:49.599 I'm sorry for us non celebs out there. You know. It still 932 01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:53.599 just blows my mind that some people live those lives. Yeah, I mean, 933 01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:57.320 she talked about like being a little kid in the hammock in the backyard 934 01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:59.960 with Paul McCartney cradling her, and they would fall asleep and take naps and 935 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:03.280 stuff. That's crazy. I don't know, I don't know. I mean, 936 01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.880 I get it. You know, people are just people at the end 937 01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:11.239 of the day. But whenever your life is like filled with the normal people 938 01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.920 in your life just happened to be like historical and prominent celebrities in the world. 939 01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:18.199 Yeah, she You know, she had lots of those stories, but 940 01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:23.880 I don't remember paranormal things with her. Adrian's Med from t J. Hooker 941 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:29.119 Adrians and Med. He had great William Shatter story. Well, I mean 942 01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:32.519 he would have to. I don't think you can know will Shatner and not 943 01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:36.480 have great Will Shatner stories. He had Shatter stories, he had had Locklear 944 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:43.039 stories, which of course you expect him to have. Don't remember paranormal Oh 945 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:45.480 you know what he did now? I remember he had a ghost story. 946 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:48.159 He had a ghost incident while he was doing a play somewhere, and there 947 01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:53.480 was a ghost definitely was. He had some kind of ghost incident while he 948 01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:57.119 was doing a play somewhere. That's I remember he had that. We had 949 01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:00.960 Mr James Murray Murr from Impractical Joe Pakers on the show. Yeah, he's 950 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:05.679 really into he's really into alien stuff. He writes kids books about Area fifty 951 01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:10.639 one and he just he's really into the alien subject. I don't remember that 952 01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:15.400 he necessarily had an incident, but he's really he loves the topic. Are 953 01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:18.920 there any like bucket list celebrities you'd like to talk to an interview about this 954 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:25.719 stuff. Wow, that's a great question. Uh, bucket list clebrities don't 955 01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:30.199 want talk about the paranormal. I don't know. It's hard to say that 956 01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:33.679 I'd call this a bucket list celebrity. But I just just someone who's coming 957 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:38.679 right to mind, is how I'll answer it. Um, someone I'd like 958 01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:43.559 to talk to. Sammy Hagar. Okay, say, Sammy Hagar is really 959 01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:45.920 into the alien thing. I think he's claimed he claims to have had some 960 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:51.039 UFO incidents. There are Van Halen songs that are they are you know, 961 01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:57.159 the lyrics by him that are clearly alien themed that people don't realize they're you 962 01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:01.719 know, snapping along and humming along like an alien a hit. You know, 963 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.719 because somebody needs to go back and listen to the lyrics to Van Halen's 964 01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:10.760 Love Walks In which gets tons of radio play for the last thirty years, 965 01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:14.400 but it's it's an alien abduction song. Well now I'm gonna have to go 966 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.640 listen to it after we get off here, and uh put the alien spend 967 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:20.520 on. You'll listen to it, and you, yeah, you'll listen to 968 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:24.199 it and you'll You'll know, you'll realize that I've heard the song a million 969 01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:26.960 times. It's, you know, definitely a radio song that you've heard a 970 01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:30.479 lot, and you never stop to think about what's being said, because he 971 01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:38.239 cleverly came up with the title love Walks In, and if you listen to 972 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.439 it and read the lyrics, you know, it seems to me that the 973 01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:45.359 word love is just being substituted in as a synonym alien or something nothing. 974 01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:50.640 He went with a generic which sounds like normal boy girl title, but it's 975 01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:55.399 not what it is. Huh yeah, I'm gonna have to check that out. 976 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.560 And I know he's on the record that he's you know, he buys 977 01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:00.960 into that kind of stuff. I think he's seen things that he'd be a 978 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:03.439 good guest to have that that's like, it's not really in this case a 979 01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:06.520 bucket list answer, but somebody i'd like to talk to that, you know, 980 01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:11.319 that would be a good one. Uh. Olivia Diabo, I don't 981 01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:14.920 remember she had a paranormal thing. I do remember that. I think she's 982 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:17.039 the one that told me that she saw Donovan, the rock star Donovan naked. 983 01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:25.279 Uh. Well, that is sort of panormal encounter, right, because 984 01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:30.960 she's the daughter not as not as intensively as McKenzie Phillips. McKenzie's father was 985 01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.439 really famous John Phillips. The mom was and pap famous famous you know. 986 01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:39.520 Um Olivia Dabo. Her father was Mike Dabo, who was the lead singer 987 01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:44.560 of Manford Many but Manford man changed lean lead singers about three times, so 988 01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:46.880 he's really only the singer on one famous song of there from the mid sixties 989 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:51.640 called Mighty Quinn. And then like all the other famous songs people associate with 990 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:56.399 them are other guys. They're like one of those bands, like a faceless 991 01:09:56.439 --> 01:10:00.920 bands that change members a lot and stuff. But but her there still was 992 01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.920 a rock star hung around in the rock were all the London rock world, 993 01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:08.039 you know, and and was the lead singer on a hit single of There's 994 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:10.479 in the late sixties. So he's certainly like you know, you know, 995 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:13.079 he knew you were Jimmy andricks Is and people like that, right, and 996 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:16.960 and that's how and that's why and how she saw Donovan naked. I tell 997 01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:24.760 them with the rock star growing up thing, you know. Uh Saal Rumanick, 998 01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:28.840 the actor, I joked in the description of the Saal Rumanic episode, 999 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:31.079 We joked at Saal Rumanik has been in every movie and TV show released since 1000 01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:36.359 nineteen eighty six, because when we were going through his bio trying to figure 1001 01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:39.479 out what things we want to focus in and talk to him about, it 1002 01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.840 appears that he's been in everything. He's been in everything. I mean, 1003 01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:47.680 I'm just looking right now on our own little shortened version and these are just 1004 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.479 some of the things in the shortened version of his bio that I see in 1005 01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:54.640 front of me against all odds, Wall Street, Bonfire of the Vanity's True 1006 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:58.640 Romance, Unforgiven, Where House thirteen, Frazier, and Curb Your Enthusiasm. 1007 01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:01.119 Yeah, you know, now, let you say it. He is definitely 1008 01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:04.640 one of those actors that seems to be attached to like every single thing, 1009 01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:09.079 right well, when you actually go deep into his you know, his full 1010 01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:14.640 resume, he really is in every single thing all the time. Yeah. 1011 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:16.720 So, so we described him as having been in every movie TV shows in 1012 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.760 eighty six. That was how we built boarded him. On the episode we 1013 01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:25.520 had Aaron Murphy from Bewitched on Tabitha from Bewitched and this is the first time 1014 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:28.960 I a little bit broke format I decided don't put her on with the UFO 1015 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:30.239 person. Don't put her on with a bigfoot person, don't put her on 1016 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:36.039 with a ghost guy. Put her on with a witch. So I booked 1017 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:40.159 Tabitha on the show, and I, you know, surprised her by booking 1018 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.840 her with an actual witch as the paranormal guest. Did she was, she 1019 01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:46.119 into it very much, and she was totally surprised. I mean, we 1020 01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:51.159 don't, you know, we don't tell our guests what they're gonna face, 1021 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:55.279 like so like for example, Jodie Sweden didn't come in no knowing she's gonna 1022 01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:59.880 play a half monster kill it just it just happened to her. Our show 1023 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.680 get our show gets inflicted on you, you know. Um. And and 1024 01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:08.479 Aaron Murphy did not know, you know, if I was going to have 1025 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:12.000 a UFO person or no other person or ten other people. No idea, 1026 01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.640 She's no idea what she's walking into except the name of the show and my 1027 01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:18.000 name and things like that. And and I said to her, I have 1028 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:21.199 a surprise for you, Um, I'm I've been planning this. And she 1029 01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:25.840 got a little clenched a little like, oh, what do you mean you 1030 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:27.479 have a surprise for me? Like she didn't know, you know what was 1031 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:29.560 gonna have, you know, if a guy was gonna come running to the 1032 01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:33.760 room in a in a cake until they get to the studio to tell them 1033 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:39.159 that yes, yes, yeah, everything happens on Mike. It's all all 1034 01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:44.279 unfolding for your eyears. And and I told her, you know, your 1035 01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:46.399 Tabitha from Bewitch, and you grew up playing a witch and you grew up 1036 01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:49.560 in the whole witch world, and I've decided to have you on with an 1037 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:54.199 actual witch meets you know. And I introduced her to the to the which 1038 01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:57.800 we booked. And I can tell you one thing. Booking that episode, 1039 01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.119 my sister and I had a hard time booking it because we you know, 1040 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.880 we were trying to find a good reliable which you know, somebody who do 1041 01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:09.199 can be on time, someone who had a good yelp rating. Yeah, 1042 01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:14.199 we exactly. We wanted a good yelp rating on time, uh, punctual 1043 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:18.520 punctual which yeah, a punctual which which which was a sense of humor that 1044 01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:23.199 we that wouldn't like at some point turn on me and maybe cast a spell 1045 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:29.319 on something right right. That was a true concern of mine, legitimate concern. 1046 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:30.840 I was actually worried that what if I pissed off this witch like this 1047 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:35.920 could become a problem making sure they laugh at every joke, right, I 1048 01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:42.560 wonder which they can roll with the punches, you know. And this was 1049 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.720 not an easy task. You know. We spent a few weeks looking through 1050 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:50.760 the online witches and um, you know, trying to kind of find you 1051 01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:56.439 know, which that met all the different criteria. And we did really well. 1052 01:13:56.479 --> 01:13:59.640 We hit the jackpot like our which was was was fun and funny and 1053 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:02.279 lie and you know, you know, giggled along and played, played, 1054 01:14:02.439 --> 01:14:06.680 played the jokes and like, I haven't felt like my world's gone awry since 1055 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:11.199 then, so she must not cast any negative spells and everything's been fine. 1056 01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:15.279 But it was a real concern. And another thing that was really consistent when 1057 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:18.000 we were looking for a witch was almost all the witches out there there were 1058 01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:23.279 potentially available, like you know, the media savvy witches, right, okay, 1059 01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:26.039 the ones that were like that had done interviews and like we felt like, 1060 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:29.039 you know, can handle them, have a good Instagram following, Yeah, 1061 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.720 right, exactly, exactly, Okay. Most of those witches were quite 1062 01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:41.000 X rated. It was unbelievable the amount of overlap between witching and X rated. 1063 01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.479 Wow, would you ever have known that? I would never It's certainly 1064 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:48.720 not the stereotype that you grow up thinking about whenever it comes to witches. 1065 01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:53.199 Yeah, it was constant. It was like, this was always like the 1066 01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:56.880 impediment, Like I would go, this witch looks greenie. She really doesn't 1067 01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:00.279 have any clothing, she barely owns anything. I mean, I know sex 1068 01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:03.359 magic is a thing. I know that's like, you know, a category 1069 01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:09.880 of witchcraft if I mean, I could be completely off base with this, 1070 01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:13.119 but I'm pretty sure it's a thing. Well, I ended up settling on 1071 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:15.439 a witch that, you know, the hat a frock and the and the 1072 01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:19.279 colne hat and everything. You know, sure, sure, and and and 1073 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:24.600 you know she was light and and and and it was very reverential about being 1074 01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:28.119 on with Tabitha, like because we didn't. The other side of that is 1075 01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:30.680 that we don't tell We never tell our parent normal guests who they're gonna be 1076 01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:34.880 on with either. We like the the spontaneous surprise all the way around, 1077 01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:40.600 the full circle surprise. Yeah, okay, so everybody's always surprised on the 1078 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:43.359 show, like, you know, whether it's Aaron Murphy didn't know she's gonna 1079 01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:45.640 be on a with a witch, and the witch doesn't know she's gonna be 1080 01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:48.279 on with Aaron Murphy. Every we want, the whole. Everybody's surprised is 1081 01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:53.119 what we want. And so the witch was thrilled. I mean she was. 1082 01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:56.319 She was like, oh my god, Tabittha like I grew up well 1083 01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:59.479 actually, like like every just everyone was over the move. You know. 1084 01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:08.000 By the way, Tabitha from Bewitched, I discovered in my research that you 1085 01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:11.439 know, in her teens or early twenties whatever, she was a hanged ten 1086 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:15.880 bikini model. I could not and I could not find any pictures of this 1087 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.199 anywhere. And I and I said to her, I go, you know, 1088 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:19.600 I've discovered you or hanged ten bikini we She goes, wow, you 1089 01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:21.840 did your research. I said yeah, I said, but I'll tell you 1090 01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:26.000 something else I did. I can't find any pictures of you as a hang 1091 01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:28.239 ten bikini model. They don't exist. She goes, oh, they're out 1092 01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:30.520 there. I go, they're not out there. I've been everywhere, and 1093 01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:31.720 if anyone would have found him, it's me. She goes, I have 1094 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:33.039 him. I said, well, you need to bring him to me. 1095 01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:38.159 She goes, no, I'm noting. She was holding tight onto those Hang 1096 01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:41.760 ten bikini pictures. But if someone could find those and send them to us, 1097 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.039 we'd love to see them. Also Natasha Henstridge, she was on de 1098 01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:49.319 chieve a paranormal Thing species, Natasha Henstridge, I don't remember a paranormal thing. 1099 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:54.039 John Anderson from Yes Okay, he's on the most recent episode. He 1100 01:16:54.199 --> 01:17:00.600 had a really weird one. He claims to have met aliens backstay at a 1101 01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:04.199 Frank Sinatra concert. Yep, that's one of the weird one of the weirdest 1102 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:09.439 sentences you'll ever hear someone else. Yeah, for sure, Like uh yes, 1103 01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:14.800 like he was introduced to a group of aliens that were special guests of 1104 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:19.640 Frank's or he told he tells the story on the show, but it was 1105 01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:25.039 more, it was more, it was it was more, um, it 1106 01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:27.680 was a little more cryptic, like more John Anderson e than that. He's 1107 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:32.640 he's a real like spiritual, you know, like like floating above kind of 1108 01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:35.479 guys. He's one of those you know, he's a real, real like 1109 01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:41.560 metaphysical you know, um, like a Yannie you know character, like one 1110 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:45.640 of those kind of tea yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he 1111 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:48.159 tells the story and that John Anderson anyway, you know, but with but 1112 01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:53.880 with real authenticity, like he like he seems to surely believe this is what 1113 01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:58.399 happened. I mean, I'm gonna have to check that out. I got 1114 01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:02.399 to hear that story. That's a lot of the way it goes with paranormal 1115 01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:09.920 events, though. It's you know, regardless of whether the listener or whoever 1116 01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:14.640 hearing the story believes they or not, the person the experiencer believes it happened, 1117 01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:18.319 and that makes it real for them, you know, yes, and 1118 01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:24.760 and and yeah. I can't even do justice to John's story. It's I 1119 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:28.319 can't explain his story. Only he can. It's a it's a it's an 1120 01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:31.119 unusual story out of all the different things out there. I mean, you've 1121 01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:36.239 got the Lockness Monster and stuff. But why do you think Bigfoot has kind 1122 01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:42.479 of become so popular in pop culture and advertising. I mean, you just 1123 01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:47.279 see Bigfoot everywhere. What's our fascination with Bigfoot? That's another great question. 1124 01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:57.479 It's for me personally, I find the whole Bigfoot mystery and the whole Bigfoot 1125 01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:02.119 you know, the Bigfoot themed programming on television to me is the most compelling, 1126 01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:06.319 it's the most interesting. Um and that that may just be where I'm 1127 01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:09.199 at and the next guy listening to this, Mico, No, but I 1128 01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:13.239 like the UFO shows better and those are good too. But like Bigfoot Bigfoot, 1129 01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:17.279 for example, let's say versus Lockdest Monster both interesting, but Bigfoot's some 1130 01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:25.840 more interesting TV subject. It's it's it's more interesting to watch a documentary crew 1131 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:30.359 hunt in the woods, on the ground, in the on the tangible ground, 1132 01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:34.960 feet on the ground, in an area that's a known Bigfoot hot spot, 1133 01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:40.680 you know, where there's eyewitness reports of this or that. It's much 1134 01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:44.840 more interesting, is much more edgy your seat interesting to watch that unfollowed on 1135 01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:49.960 television than you know, a lockdest Monster or Ogo Pogo or Champ hunt in 1136 01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:54.479 a lake. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, that does. 1137 01:19:55.880 --> 01:19:58.840 I don't know. I'm not sure why it's but it is. It just 1138 01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:05.279 is um And maybe in the United States, Bigfoot is also a bigger deal 1139 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:12.520 because it's here. It's it's it's it's people can relate to that it's right 1140 01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:15.119 here, like lockness monsters a world away, even though you and I both 1141 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:19.159 know the topic enough to know there are plenty of lake monsters in North America 1142 01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:23.239 too, but they're not as famous, you know, og pogo something that 1143 01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:26.560 you and I know what that means, but that's very obscure terminology to the 1144 01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:30.840 link. Yeah, lake monsters are very regional, right and and and except 1145 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.760 for Lockness Monster, they're all pretty obscure to the average person. Yeah, 1146 01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:41.439 okay, So if you bring up Champ to the guy at your grocery store 1147 01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:43.880 tomorrow, he'll be like, what, I never heard a channel. I'll 1148 01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:46.520 think you're talking about Mike Tyson or something. You know. Um, if 1149 01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:49.359 you bring up Lockness Monster to the guy at your grocery store, he's heard 1150 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:54.439 of that. That's internationally famous, but it's also a world away to him. 1151 01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:59.159 It's over there in Scotland. Like he he doesn't, he doesn't give 1152 01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:02.600 that buck thought it. It's not. It doesn't pique his curiosity or creep 1153 01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:06.479 him out as much because it feels so removed from his universe. Yeah, 1154 01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:13.039 Bigfoot feels feels very North American, and the average person United States, I 1155 01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:15.960 think, feels very connected to that phenomena. They either have seen it. 1156 01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:21.640 No, somebody who've seen it feel they live near enough to to an area 1157 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:25.720 that they could see it. Um, you know, that could happen in 1158 01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:28.279 any moment happen to night in the way home from the movies. You know 1159 01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:33.960 they're there. It's very within the grip of people here in this country. 1160 01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:43.960 Have you ever had any paranormal experiences? Ghosts or anything like that? Not 1161 01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:48.079 so much ghost that I am. You know, I've been confident saying to 1162 01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:51.840 you I think that was a ghost. Little little things, but not something 1163 01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:58.439 i'd confidently tell you UFO. Yeah, I had what I'm pretty sure was 1164 01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:04.560 the US in LA by six years ago. I was driving, and I 1165 01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:09.680 always like when I tell this story, I always like um sort of really 1166 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:13.319 orienting the listener to where I was. So they consider at home and play 1167 01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:16.079 along with this story. Using their Google Maps, they can street for you 1168 01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:19.319 and actually take this car ride with me and look at the sky and see 1169 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:23.119 what I was seeing. So for those of you playing at home and giving 1170 01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:28.520 you a second, open your Google Maps. I was driving on Victory Boulevard 1171 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:34.720 in Los Angeles through Van Nuys, headed eastbound towards Burbank. So that actually 1172 01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:40.560 helped the guy right now at home with this cursor. So I'm driving eastbound 1173 01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:45.119 on Victory. I approach the corner of Victory and Supulvita Boulevard in Los Angeles. 1174 01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:49.920 This is in the Van Nuys area of Los Angeles, and I'm heading 1175 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:53.960 to like a TV meeting or something, you know, in Burbank and I 1176 01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:59.680 and I in the distance in the due east sky what appears to me to 1177 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.920 be like above Burbank basically, you know, which would be probably another twenty 1178 01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:09.640 minutes. Driving in front of me to east, I'm seeing little glinting objects 1179 01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:15.000 in the sky, very high up in the sky, silver objects. They 1180 01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:17.840 look very very high up, maybe a half dozen of them, moving around 1181 01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:20.439 each other, changing positions. One goes to the right, one goes to 1182 01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:25.119 the left, one moves up down sideways, another one goes around this way. 1183 01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:28.800 They're just kind of moving around each other at what looks like a tremendous 1184 01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:33.039 height and staying in the same general little area of the sky. And I'm 1185 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:35.439 like, what the hell is that? This is broad daylight in a sunny 1186 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:39.720 afternoon, you know. And I'm like, how is that, you know? 1187 01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:44.039 And it's I'm watching it through the whole light cycle. It's a long 1188 01:23:44.119 --> 01:23:45.960 light cycle at that corners. I'm watching probably for a few minutes, thinking 1189 01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:50.199 this is so weird. I gotta pull over and watch this so I make 1190 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.840 a right turn onto Sepulvida, and I pull in to a parking lot a 1191 01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:58.520 block or so away in front of like a paint like a house, paint 1192 01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:00.079 story, like a story you're buy you know, paint to pay your house. 1193 01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:04.159 Um, so the guy falling on along on street view right now is 1194 01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:08.479 probably seeing this paint store. I remember which paint you know, whatever they're 1195 01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:12.239 called. I forget what the paints are called, but whatever paint brand that 1196 01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:15.000 was, you'll see there's a paint store there. And after I made that 1197 01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:18.159 right onto Sapolvida, I pulled into that parking lot and I parked my car 1198 01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:21.840 facing due east, and I'm still just watching watching this go on. I'm 1199 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:25.920 thinking, like, I want to watch this a little longer and see if 1200 01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:30.279 they reveal themselves to me as not what I think it is, or it 1201 01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:33.159 clearly becomes looking a little helium balloons or something to fly nearer to me and 1202 01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:35.279 I know what it is, and I can just you know, get on 1203 01:24:35.399 --> 01:24:39.560 one by day. I end up watching another few minutes. I called my 1204 01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:43.920 wife teller when I'm watching, and and then both of us look looking at 1205 01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:45.199 the clock, realized I need to get going, like you know, I've 1206 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:47.600 got to be at a meeting, like a two fifteen or something, and 1207 01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:50.399 it's you know, it's one forty five, that sort of thing. So 1208 01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:55.239 I'm like, I better just keep driving east, and you know, I'll 1209 01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:58.039 just keep watching as I drive. I'm still heading the right direction to you 1210 01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:00.920 know, I'm heading in the direction it's in. But once I was moving 1211 01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:04.880 again, and I was a few blocks away from where I was and moving, 1212 01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:09.760 I lost sight of it. I don't know if it stopped existing or 1213 01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:14.479 it was just difficult to keep my eyes spotting where it was any longer. 1214 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.880 As as my position changed slightly, and the tree line and things start coming 1215 01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:20.600 in here and there. The bottom line is within a few blocks, I 1216 01:25:20.720 --> 01:25:24.479 no longer be able to keep my eyes on this thing. And it's either 1217 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:29.560 gone or or I can't find anymore. And that ended it. But later 1218 01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:33.680 on I ended up looking on YouTube at you have vons and it's and I'd 1219 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:39.239 used, you know, words that described what I was seeing, like small, 1220 01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:45.960 very small silver objects moving around each other, tremendous height like you very 1221 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:48.479 very seemed very very high up in the air. I used like terminology that 1222 01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:51.399 would maybe try to pull up something similar to what I've seen. I think 1223 01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:57.119 I was even typing burbank in LA and the date into my searches, hoping 1224 01:25:57.159 --> 01:26:00.800 that someone else films what I saw. I did not find anyone else had 1225 01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:05.479 filmed what I saw, but I found numerous people had filmed UFO incidents just 1226 01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:12.000 like what I saw. That what I saw was a like kind of recurring, 1227 01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:19.319 pretty common UFO sighting in general. I know somebody personally that filmed something. 1228 01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:27.600 I mean, we argued extensively about it, just because I'm from the 1229 01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:30.760 perspective of, well, I wasn't there. I here are some possibilities. 1230 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:33.600 I mean, I don't know. Maybe you know, it was an optical 1231 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:43.000 illusion. But she's in the Connecticut area and she filmed something that sounds very 1232 01:26:43.079 --> 01:26:47.199 similar to what you're describing. And it was also during daylight hours. She 1233 01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:51.199 filmed it with her you know, cell phone, and I don't know, 1234 01:26:51.479 --> 01:26:56.079 I don't have you know, I can't say that it was a UFO. 1235 01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:59.560 I can't say that, you know, it's not. Maybe it's a an 1236 01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:02.359 end act or something flying closer to the camera and it just looks like it's 1237 01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:05.800 farther away or something. It was too many, it was too many objects 1238 01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:10.359 there were silver glinting. It was one of those peak La days, like 1239 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:15.600 not a cloud in the sky, sunshine days, and so nothing was obscuring 1240 01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:18.039 it. It wasn't like ducking behind clouds and then appearing to me again. 1241 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:23.960 It was in a cloudless, sunny sky, you know, and it was 1242 01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:29.920 it was. It was just like things I'd then seen on YouTube when I 1243 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.880 went looking for similar insince I saw stuff that looked just like what I saw. 1244 01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:38.039 So weird, so weird. I mean, especially, you know, 1245 01:27:38.119 --> 01:27:43.800 with all the UFO stuff going on, all the quote unquote disclosure process happening, 1246 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:48.439 and the government acknowledging them and looking into it officially, at least publicly. 1247 01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:53.039 I mean, yeah, that's that's getting really weird. I remember a 1248 01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:56.319 friend of mine in the nineties. I had a friend who was really into 1249 01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:58.680 this topic, and we talked about this stuff all the time until the wee 1250 01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:01.640 hours. And this is like when X files with a hit show, and 1251 01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:05.800 um, there were certain shows that were already on TV that were on this 1252 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:09.479 topic. I mean, for as long as you and I have been watching 1253 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:12.800 television, there's been things like in Search of and stuff like that, but 1254 01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:15.399 there weren't there weren't as many shows, there weren't a whole networks dedicated to 1255 01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:18.279 it. Is like like there is now, you know, um, but 1256 01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:21.680 but at the time there were some stuff. And I remember he used to 1257 01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:27.800 always say to me, they're getting us ready. They are, They're prepping 1258 01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:31.800 us, they are. There's it's clear that, you know, with things 1259 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:36.680 like The X Files becoming a network, mainstream hit television show, that there's 1260 01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:42.319 some kind of an agenda to condition us and get us ready for the reveal, 1261 01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:46.319 to prepare us to be able to handle the reveal. And it always 1262 01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:49.199 sticks with me. Now with all the stuff that you're starting to seek them 1263 01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:54.159 out in official channels now that he may have been right like and that like 1264 01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:58.800 now it's really starting to look like they've up the empty with that. Yeah, 1265 01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:02.640 they've kind of moved from the fictional world to the non fictional world, 1266 01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:06.199 you know, and right they're not letting it and not letting it stay just 1267 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:11.680 in the in Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters world and in and in you know, 1268 01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:15.479 documentaries on Travel Channel. There now they're they're going. Also, by the 1269 01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:18.279 way, here's some footage the Navy shot. Here's a new thing. The 1270 01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:24.039 Army just got gout their hands on and they're releasing it in official ways that 1271 01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:29.880 that you know they're they're they're shooting down things, and we're watching entire weekends 1272 01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:33.640 of news coverage about something they shot down this weekend. Yeah, that that's 1273 01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:39.680 that's remarkable. This sort of thing always kind of pauses me in my tracks 1274 01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:43.039 because I mean, I don't, like I said, this sort of thing 1275 01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:45.920 terrifies me. I don't know why it bothers me so much more than the 1276 01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:51.800 other categories of the unexplained or whatever. But the alien stuff, I mean, 1277 01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:59.039 are they are? Are we going to see contact in our lifetimes? 1278 01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:01.279 I mean, is this something? It's sure as hell it's starting to seem 1279 01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:04.600 like it. It's sure as hell's starting to seem like it. The the 1280 01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:09.760 other thing I'm remembering now, back to that house my father had to Upstate 1281 01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:15.640 New York, is that that area was a known UFO hotbed, that area 1282 01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:20.399 of upstate, and that I do recall, even in the eighties as a 1283 01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:25.920 teenager, being aware of Like I may not have been aware of it, 1284 01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:29.479 you know that this is a bigfoot area. I had no idea of the 1285 01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:33.199 Whitehall Monster, never heard of that would never even at that time if you 1286 01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:39.239 asked a teenage me in nineteen eighty seven, you know what I know about 1287 01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:42.720 Bigfoot? I would have said that, isn't that like a Pacific Northwest thing. 1288 01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:45.079 I wouldn't have understood that like Bigfoot, they're Bigfoot, and since all 1289 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:48.279 over the country that you could be in Ohio or Michigan, Wisconsin, I 1290 01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:53.479 would never understand any of that. So so certainly I didn't stand around Upstate 1291 01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:57.000 New York as a teenager thinking about, like, there's big foots up here, 1292 01:30:57.039 --> 01:31:00.640 like I didn't seem like in the realms ofility, but UFOs I was 1293 01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:04.319 aware of that. I knew that that area is known for UFO incidents. 1294 01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:10.720 And I definitely, you know, at seventeen, could have been standing on 1295 01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:15.239 my father's upstate balcony, you know, worried about the clearness of this sky 1296 01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:20.600 up here and the isolation up here and an alien ins and up there would 1297 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:26.159 have been the kind of thing in my scary day dreams. Yeah, well, 1298 01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:30.119 David, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing some of your 1299 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:35.079 stories with me and everything. Where can people find you, sir? Monstrosity 1300 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:40.159 podcast dot com is the main website for the show, and it's ket of 1301 01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:42.640 you know, all the places that you can find everything about this show. 1302 01:31:42.720 --> 01:31:47.359 And there's even now a link on Monstrosity to go and collect for yourself all 1303 01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:50.840 of the old episodes of comedians talking about Bigfoot. We've stuck them on the 1304 01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:56.119 Monstrosity Patreon since they were no longer in the public domain, so you know, 1305 01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:59.560 the original podcast is accessful up there, as well as all the merchant 1306 01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:04.119 stuff and our social media, so all that's there, and then David Race 1307 01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:09.279 dot com has all this stuff more and you know in my career directly. 1308 01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:14.439 All right, thanks a lot, And if you've had an experience with the 1309 01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:17.079 unexplained, something you can't quite figure out. Was it Bigfoot? Was it 1310 01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:21.520 a ghost? Was it an alien abduction? Email me at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail 1311 01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:26.720 dot com. Check out Bigfootcrossroads dot com. All the links to the social 1312 01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:30.600 media, merch everything you need, all in one place. And until next 1313 01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:31.800 time, I remember there's something in the woods.