So ten o'clock at night, my wife is out on the balcony of the
house looking out the telescope my father had. Eventually, after ten to fifteen
minutes this, she pops her head in and says to me, there's something
weird out here. I just feel like, you know, hearing noises over
there. I'm like, well, what are you hearing? She's like,
I don't know, like like footsteps or and then I saw a rabbit run
by, looking afraid, and I feel like something's watching me, you know.
Fast forward now, that's probably ten to eleven a knight. Fast forward
now it's to the middle of the night. Will sound asleep in the guest
room. All of a sudden the middle night, were awakened from dead to
dead sleep by a boom boom, like a couple two or three boom hits
next to our heads on this log cabin. Let's just pretend that was you.
I'm telling you now, your arm would have been shattered to dust the
force this thing hit it. You couldn't have had hit this wall with this
kind of force. You could not have done that. Thank God we didn't
peek up the most blinds, because I'm positive there was a very large big
foot standing right there at that window. I'd like to welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads.
David Race of the Monstrosity podcast. David, how you doing doing good?
Doing good? So, man, tell me a little bit about yourself.
I know that you've been part of the stand up comedy world and for
some reason you decided to venture into the world of podcasting, the paranormal and
Bigfoot. How did that all come to be? Ah? Well, I
used to be jockey on the radio for a long time before I ever became
a comedian. So I, you know, they playing around in the in
the radio space, which podcasting really is. It's like on demand radio.
Really, um, you know, isn't new to me. And and then
for a while, while doing stand up here in la Um, you know,
I started noticing that every comic was getting was doing a podcast, getting
a podcast or doing a podcast and I and I resisted it for a while.
I in my mind it was like a backwards move. I'd already been
down that road, like the radio world was a place I'd spent a lot
of time, and I was like, I don't want to do that again,
you know, And I had no interest, and I would just sit
backstage and hear comics talking about their podcast and you asking me to I want
to be on their podcast, or asking other other comics to be on their
podcast. This went on and on for you know, a year or two,
and then one afternoon I was at home and it occurred to me that
what if I do a podcast that that takes in my deep no knowledge and
passion for all things Bigfoot and sort of does does a podcast under that construct
instead of just you know, the David Ratio or whatever the other comedians were
doing, which we're all worked, we're all kind of like all the comedians
had podcasts like that, you know, the John Johnson Show, you know,
um, And I thought, what if I just sort of hang this
picture frame around it, you know, and and it'll be this this thing
where you know, I'm talking passionately about the Bigfoot thing, but inevitably,
you know, the humor is going to come through also, so it's sort
of blending those two things. And then you know, the idea expanded in
my head a little further. I thought, what if I put comedians,
i know, you know, into the into that construct, like actually,
you know, commedian who don't necessarily know anything about Bigfoot, but people I
know as comedians and marry them together with you know, someone from Finding Bigfoot,
someone from Ancient Aliens, you know, as a guest. So all
that became in twenty fifteen, Comedians Talking about Bigfoot my first podcast, which
um Buy episode five, had a TV deal. Yeah, it was extremely
popular and well received. I remember it right well well when I did that,
you know, at first, when I first announced I was doing it
online and things, I got a lot of pushback from the Bigfoot world because
I remember the general sentiment was, oh, great, another comedian is going
to mock the whole thing. That was That was what everyone assumed I was
going to do. And the truth is that I'm a believer and have had
my own experiences. Even if they're not Class A sidings, you know,
they're they're Matt Moneymaker calls them class B sidings at least, I mean they're
they're they're good enough for him. So I I you know, I was
very authentic about the topic. And yes, I was going to be funny,
because you know, you put comedians in a room, funny things are
going to be said. Just you can't help that. But I would be
funny at a funeral and didn't know way to change that. But but I
but I knew that that I would take the Bigfoot topic more seriously than what
people expected me to do. In those initial social media reactions, I saw
and um, you know that that is what I did with it. And
then so by the episode five, it had to deal with these guys who
had done a very famous show for History Channel that was on that same subject,
and we ended up shooting an entire week. You normally, when you
shoot a TV thing, you know, for sale where you haven't sold it
yet to network, normally a production company will shoot what they'll call sizzle reel,
which will be like a like a five minute you know, proof of
concept of what the thing is, and you don't have to go heavy into
the budget world. You know, I don't just spend a fortune. Getting
a five minutes is a real done. It's a little bit of money,
but it's not as much money as a real episode would be. You know,
these guys, these guys shot a real episode. These guys shot intending
that this episode we're shooting will end up being episode number one of the show,
you know, for air. Oh, this is a plot, right,
it was They these guys didn't shoot like this, here's a five minute
demonstration. Now what do you guys think? And then you know that will
fund the pilot. They funded a pilot. Wow. And and we,
uh, you know, we got together me and two comedians that I had
picked up or I thought would fit, you know, the channel theme of
how I constructed the TV thing, which was also you know, based exactly
on comedians talking about Bigfoot, but it was a TV version, you know.
And and we went to Minnesota and shot it there in you know,
like in rural Minnesota. And we were there for a whole week, shot
an entire week like as if, you know, as if we already had
a deal, like like we're there on a budget with a full deal already
from Animal Planet or something, And and shot a whole week. And then
for the next year or so, that was going through a sales process,
and it had fits and starts. It almost sold it didn't know, then
undid itself, then almost sold to someone else. Then it went through a
lot of fits and starts, ultimately not selling for various reasons that that would
take me forever to go into, but lots of things kept it from selling.
Um and and then I thought, well, I got to get back
to doing a podcast now. So I decided, what if I go back
to doing a podcast, but I do something just a slight alteration on comedians
talking about Bigfoot. Let me broaden it out to UFOs. Bigfoot goes you
know, locked us monster like not just Bigfoot. And let me change the
construct of comedians are the guests in the room and the guy from Ancient Aliens
is the paranormal guest. Let me change that contract a little. It doesn't
have to be comedian. It can be regular celebrities, actors, actresses,
movie you know, movie people and rock stars and stuff, not just comedians.
You know, what if I sort of make those little adjustments so that
that changed the title in my mind to you know, let me changed the
title too, so it became Monstrosity with David Race, which I started in
twenty eighteen. I think, um, and you know, the logo from
Monstrosity reflects that it covers all the things I think I created like a logo
where the the O as a UFO and the the R and monstrosities a C
monster. You know, the Bigfoot is the is the letter T the it's
actually you know, the Patterson Gimblin Bigfoot kind of walking by is the letter
T and that became the logo the show. The podcast has been really well
received. Um, I've been amazed at how many celebrities come in and do
this show. And what's so cool is that because I live in la and
and you know, La based, I have this cool advantage of being able
to have celebrities come in and do it live, except for Covid and interrupting
that. You know, COVID changed that a bit. There was there were
you know there there've been a good amount of episodes now that we're also you
know, done by feed, you know, where the celebrities somebody else,
so somewhere else, but but most of the episodes somebody's come in and it
It is the coolest thing in the world. When you know, Daisy Duke
comes walking in, it's like your teenage your teenage poster walked in off the
walls. Yeah. Yeah, I've looked through, uh, some of your
monstrosity resume of guests and it's just crazy, man. It's absolutely insane,
very diff and it's always it's it's very diverse, and it's it's you know,
there's rock stars too, I mean, like the recent episode, most
recent episode is John Anderson, the lead singer of Yes Yea, who's a
legendary rock star in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame for God's sakes.
Yeah, you know, and and and you know, I had Shadows stevens
On as a famous radio guy, Shadows stevens Yeah, which I had made
him count down America's top five arts of Daisy Dukes. But you know,
Catherine back, she wants to come in again. She's ready to come in
every episode I think, um Lonnie Anderson's come in U you know, just
recently had Natasha Henstridge from Species. Yeah, she was good. I just
had just recorded a new episode a couple of days ago. And you're the
first guy I'm telling anywhere in the world who it is. Here. Your
audience is about to get an advanced preview. Here you go, folks hearing
it here first. The new episode about to come out probably this week.
Uh is Christanna Locan, the super hot blonde from Terminator three. Yeah,
she came in, you know, was very distracting. Olivia Diabo came in,
another beautiful woman. Yeah. That that's That's one of the ones that
got me whenever I was younger, uh, growing up watching Wonder Years.
Yeah, she and she was so much fun. She was so much fun
too on the show. She was like, it's so weird because I don't
give them there's no requirements that they have to have any interest in the paranormal
or any experience of their own. We don't, you know, put any
of that on them. That's that's our problem, not theirs, you know.
And but but they almost always have something to say in that zone from
personal experience, almost always. It's it's rare that there's a celebrity sitting there
who came in, did the show and actually doesn't have a thing to add
in that area, you know. Um, one example I could think of
a somebody who definitely seemed really distant from the paranormal thing, like almost like
uh, yeah, yeah, I did your show, but then don't follow
me at this paranormal. A little bit of that was was Mike the Moon
from Fast Times at Richemond High, Robert Rabatic, Yeah, who was a
great guest, and and it was the weirdest thing sitting opposite him, and
it was like it was the moan. He talks like the moan, he
looks like the money said, so you're back and forth going to tell me
about you know something, and he's like, well, I gotta tell you
man, I had some nice team. You know, he's not putting on
a character like that delivery. Uh. And this led on and on like
an hour. But I remember when we went to the Paranormal Guy and I
don't remember it was the UFO guy. I can't remember, you know what
the theme was that, but whoever it was, I remember he sort of
bailed out. He sort of he was there, he was in the room
physically, but he wasn't really there. It was sort of like fifteen minutes
of me talking to a UFO guy and maybe every sophon going Robert together and
they're gonna say every gay No, not really just kind of listening along.
He starts thumbing around on his song like yeah, yeah, aliens got it.
Yeah I think um. Another one that was a little like that was
we had Kenny bang Yet from Seinfeld on the show Stephen Heydener, and he
was very very funny, really funny episode, but he walked out and took
a piss during the paranorm book guy. Wow. Wow, I mean,
you know, hey, it's not for everyone. You know. Yeah,
yeah, but that was the only guy I've ever seen that there was no
explanation. I remember sitting there thinking, where's he going? Actually actually got
ghosted on a paranormal show. Yeah, it was weird. U. Then
other people have surprised me with how involved their paranormal story was. Lonnie Anderson,
you know, had a really detailed thing about being haunted when she was
filming, um oh, town's name is Jane Mansfield, the Jane Mansfield movie,
the one where she plays Jane Mansild and Arnold Schwartz and Arnold Schwartzer plays
her husband in that movie. Actually it's like nineteen eighty eighty one. Anyway,
they were filming it at Mansfield's house and Lonnie ended up telling us all
about the Chief Fields that she was being haunted by Jane Mansfield's ghost on the
set to the point where she was visited by the ghost. She saw that
operation was visited by the ghost, the James Mansfield ghost while she was showering
in in Mansfield's house. And I couldn't help it, Asknie, are you
sure that wasn't a photographer ghosts visiting Jamie visiting Lonnie in the shower. Okay,
but yeah, everybody is visiting Lonnie in the show. Yeah, yeah,
who wouldn't take this visitation? Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you
were in here. Yeah exactly, I mean that was probably an Arnold actually,
um. And then the who was the other one? Oh, Robert
Charden from Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah, he uh. He had an
unexpected story that was like a I don't know if you called this teleconnie,
not teleconniese. What would you call it when you your mind causes something to
happen. Yeah, he was sitting at a diner or something, but talking
with a guy, you know, across the table, and the guy was
telling him some story about somebody else they mutually knew in show business. It
was something that pissed him off. Like Chardin was getting really pissed, you
know that this real enemy of his just book some gigantic role that he wanted
a book or he's something like that that made him anger. And and while
he's getting seething mad hearing this story, and I could be I'm completely kind
of making up the contract right now. I don't remember what it was that
made him angry. I have to go back and listening to the episode so
what I just said is fictional. But but whatever it was that made him
mad, whatever that Jean this, you know, the subject was something was
making him mad as he listened to this story. And he's looking across the
table and his friend who's got a glass of water or something while they're having
this conversation, and he's staring at the glass of water with the seething anger
about whatever was he was mad about, and the glass of water shattered into
a million piece WHOA do you think that people in general have like some sort
of innate psychic ability and just sometimes it comes out and sometimes others can kind
of manipulate it easier than others, or do you think it's just some random
occurrence that doesn't really exist inside of us. I don't know. I mean,
haven't given that much s thought. What do you think I'm just kind
of paranormal guy or something. I mean, so, actually, I don't
you know that one. I that area of paranormal is not stuff I'm super
up on. I mean, I know you know of these sort of instance
spontaneous combustion and that kind of in the Charodeene story, but obviously I don't
don't don't know anyone else who spontaneously blew up or made a glass shatter across
the room from it. So so it's it's hard to like, it's harder
to get your head around that one. Have you ever experienced anything yourself,
like I knew someone was gonna call before they called, or something. I
mean probably that that that to me would seem kind of minor, A new
someone's gonna call before I'm sure I happened. Um, I'm thinking more like
the big stuff like Caardeen's thing with a glass shatter and then that No,
that would be that would be a hard No. Yeah, nothing like that
happened, das. But I mean we've we've all had little sure I'm sure,
yes, yeah, we've all had like, you know, a six
what would you call that sixth sense? You know that something? You know,
Yeah, we've all had that. We all a descha vous. You
know, everyone experiences that where you feel like, wait a minute, I've
been here for I know I know exactly what's gonna happen next. I'm gonna
turn to my left, my dog's gonna run by, and then I'm gonna
go down the stairs, and my wife's gonna say this to me. Like
we all have like that fifteen seconds or like I have done all this before.
I know exactly what's gonna happen next. You know, that's always weird.
I don't know what that's all. What that is like you like you
like you in the past, you got some somewhere in your you know,
in your dreams or something, you've got a glimpse into your future. And
now like as you're living it, you're as you're living it, you're like,
wait a minute, I know, I know what's gonna happen next.
Then I'm you know, like the ice cream man is gonna ring the doorbell
and say that I didn't give him enough change, and then and then like
you know, the dog is gonna come running back in the backyard, like
and then it all happens, and you literally like you almost can point around
your home like okay, three two one, doorbell there it goes exactly like
I said, you have you have like twenty seconds of that. It's also
pretty where that the ice cream man came after you. Yeah, it was
like a dollar Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny as you're
in on that because you're it in of the thirty five cents collection from ice
cream Man. Yeah, but I mean, but it is, it's so
strange. Deja vu is such is a really strange Yeah, And it's always
weird situations. It's it's not like, you know, major events. It's
like you're saying, you know, just random, kind of mundane things like
I remember at one point in time I had it whenever I just like saw
like a can of soda sitting on a table somewhere, and I was like,
oh my god, I've seen this before. I've been here in this
exact spot before with that soda sitting right there. It's never you know,
like the end of the world. It's so weird, you know, because
so many people experienced that, I mean pretty much, I would dare say
just about everybody has at some point, you know, like you're saying,
and I just you know, where does it come from? Science hasn't figured
that one out yet. For sure. It seems like it's it's just like
we're getting somewhere along the way in a dream or something, we're given a
peak into our future. So I'm dying to ask, tell me about your
big foot stuff. Man, what happened? Well, there's been two.
There's one I've only talked about maybe one other time, and that's the lesser
stories. I probably that's why I haven't talked about it much, But if
you want, I'll get to that one too. But the bigger one,
the more the one I've talked about more on my podcast in other places is
um I'll give you the detailed version. It's the two thousand and seven two
thousand and seven I think it is. I was, you know, already
living out in la for a while at that point. But but my my
all time favorite band, Genesis was on tour and they were playing New York
that week, so I flew across the country to see the New York shows
also, and my wife was with me. And during the course of that
week we went with my father and his wife to an upstate in the York
property my father owned for many, many years. Um. It was a
house on top of a mountain, you know, on private property. He
owned fifty five acres and the house was way up at the top of the
plateau of the mountains. So so you know, the acre it just you
know, from the you know, begins at the street level and you go
up like a private like a chain fenced road. You have to unlock to
get to and you drive up this cobble road way up you know, high
and through the through the winding woods to eventually get to the clearing on the
plateau where he had this house built up there, and the down slope of
the mountain in every direction is also his property. So you're talking a big
parcel land the nearest house. And I'm setting up this way for a reason
because it really lays out, you know, the foundation of how remote we're
talking about the nearest neighbors are, you know, a half a mile in
any direction, like on other properties of that size. So this is not
a neighborhood like you've been picture in any normal suburban place. This is a
house on a mountain in the woods. And my wife and I went up
for a couple of nights, and at the time I was marginally into the
Bigfoot topic, but I would say I wasn't super well read on it.
I was, you know, a childhood viewer of In Search Of and Leonard
Nimoy. I was, you know, uh, you know, open to
Bigfoot documentaries that kind of toughly interested me on TV. But but I I
don't remember if two thousand and seven and Finding Bigfoot was even a show yet,
it might have been a brand new show. I'd have looked it up.
But it's you know, it's somewhere roughly about when that show probably starts
to happen. But anyway, and I was a regular viewer of that,
But but but but I don't. I'm saying all this intentionally because I don't
recall like that I was super, super knowledgeable or super into the top.
Again, I liked it, was interested in it. Definitely kind of subject
that can catch my attention on television, But I wasn't like really really well
read or knowledgeable. Um. And we were up there ten o'clock and night.
My wife is out on the balcony of the house looking out the telescope
my father had at the very clear skies, you could see the stars everywhere,
and she's looking at all that. I'm sitting in the in the living
room watching her, you know, through the glass, what what she's out
there doing? And I am noticing that she keeps sort of seeming startled and
kind of like taking her eyeway from the telescope and kind of looking like what
the hell, kind of looking to the right or left to the dark woods
tree line and you know, getting seeming like she's getting spooked ever resolve and
you know, interrupting her looking through the telescope, And that's not like her.
I would say, She's definitely nowhere near like me, like really like,
you know, on the edge of her seats, afraid of everything like
I am, and not and not you know, nearly as well versed on
these topics. So I would say it wouldn't be like her, you know,
to automatically assume whom there are aliens coming after her and these words i'd
be I'd be thinking like that, not her. Um So, so I
thought it was weird that I kept seeing her get startled and kind of turn
her head away and look left and right and then go back to what she
was doing. Eventually, after ten fifteen minutes, the she pops her head
in and says to me, there's something weird out here. I just feel
like, you know, hearing noises over there. I'm like, what are
you hearing? She's like, I don't know, like like footsteps or and
then I saw a rabbit run by, looking afraid, and I feel like
something's watching me. She's saying those sort of things. Now, I feel
like something's watching me would hit you or any big foot guy as hold on,
that's bigfoot kind of stuff. But that's what I mean when I say
I wasn't that well read on it yet. I didn't. I didn't understand
a phrase like I feel like something's watching me to be a big foot type
of incident sounding That wasn't that wouldn't they hit me yet? You know a
few years later I would have been aware of that sort of thing. So
so I just kind of said, well, just come int forget it,
you know, that was the thing of a layman would say to that and
stop looking out the telescope coming out. Um, So she came in and
uh, you know, fast forward now that's probably ten eleven a night.
Fast forward now to the middle of the night, and I'm talking dead middle
of night, three thirty in the morning, the middle of night, you
know, and sound asleep in the guest room and the the This is a
very sturdy log built kind of house, like a large house, like four
bedrooms, but like you know that that heavy thick, you know, log
cabin construction, like like you know timber that you know you when you when
it's not I don't mean there's something flimsy. I don't mean something temperary.
I mean, like, you know, if if you're rund a mind of
bulldozer, this I wouldn't knock over. You know. Um, we're sound
asleep and all of a sudden the middle of the night, we're awakened from
dead, dead sleep, you know, by a boom boom, like a
couple two or three boom hits next to our heads on this log cabin,
you know, next to the guest room. And when you're dead asleep in
the dark of the woods, you know, such a quiet up state place,
and something wakes you that suddenly this will maybe forever be the undoing of
this incident. But we neither of us like jumped up out of the bed
and like peeked open the blinds, like we we just were so suddenly woken
from such dead sleeps that we just looked at each other and went, what
what the hell you know kind of and just fell right back down, like
our head just fell right back to the billows, and we went back to
sleep out. The big Foot intensive listener is listening to this, going you
idiots, you missed a Class A siding right next to you. You know,
my attitude in my head right now whenever I retell the story and I
think about it, because I could picture us there, I remember it also.
Well, my attitude about it is thank god we didn't peek up in
those blinds, because as I continue the story, you'll understand that I'm positive
there was a very large, big foot standing right there at that window,
right next to the window sill where he smashed the wall next to our heads,
and I would have been face to face with him. And I literally
peeked the blinds open just a foot away from the bed, I'd have been
face to face with him, and I'd probably still be unconscious in that room
right now. So I'm actually glad that didn't happen. But you know,
the Matt moneymaker type. That's my second Matt money vote maker invocation of this
call the Matt money maker type. Yeah, don't say him a third time.
Yeah, you know, he he he would forever be regretting, you
know that he didn't do that. And on the opposite, I'm so glad
um. But but anyway, we did go right back to sleep, but
there was no further banging on the wall anyway. The next day I crept
around outside you know, just out of curiosity, right by the window to
see, like what does it look like out there? Exactly how high is
this window from the floor. Like I took it all in and like,
you know, made note of it. And the window was probably nine feet
off the ground. Um. The wall next to it, you know,
you know, anything is smashing, The wall next to the smashing nine ten
feet up. Um. The ground wasn't disturbed over there. It was grass
up to a point I think, like up to very close to the house,
maybe maybe to a foot or two from the house. It was maybe
something harder, like like a hard packed dirt, you know, in shrubbery
or something, but most of his grass up to roughly up to it.
And there was nothing disturbed looking certainly no dead animals or anything. Um.
And I And I said to my father that morning, and he's an ex
New York cop and definitely not a believer type. I said to him,
did you hear anything weird last night? Yeah? He's like, no,
what are you talking about? I told him what happened and he and he
said something, you know, typical layman kind of responds something like that's probably
a deer. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if a
deer ran into the wall of the house in the middle of the night,
I am twice. There's so many at this at this force too, at
nine feet in height. There's so many different things that are wrong with that
staatement. First of all, twice was a good, good observation. Yep,
that's a good one. Another one is nine feet Another one is wouldn't
he be unconscious and dead right there right now? Yeah, still laying there
right Another one is it was he blind? Um? I mean, there's
so many things wrong. And then if you you know, if I probably,
if I probe further, my father he probably would have said that bear.
It's you know, almost as stupid, you know, I mean,
like a bear who would now be laying there with a shattered arm in his
defense though that's what most people go to, you know, when I think
that's one of the reasons big Foot's stayed hidden for so long is because people
are just no offense to your father, very stupid. Whenever it comes to
date or and things out of the ordinary, it's not in there. It's
just not in their realms of possibilities. Not think it must have been a
bird, you know, a bird flu and in the middle of and we're
talking about a force that let's just pretend that was you, not a big
foot. Did you did that? Okay, I'm telling you now, your
arm would have been shattered to dust. Yeah, the force this thing hit
it with. Okay, your arm would have been shatter or to dust.
You couldn't have have hit this wall with this kind of force. You could
not have done that without being in a major medical problem at that point.
Um, So it wasn't you. And let's and let's and let's just stay
again with the human thing, you know, whatever human that was not only
got severely injured, they also walked up onto a private fifty five acre property,
passed chains and fences up a cobblestone road deep into the woods in the
middle night, just to smash the wall next to my wife. Brought something
to stand on so they could retire at the wall right right, left,
no trace of themselves. Um, you know, risk being shot. Definitely
wouldn't father, Okay, Now I do remember asking my father. You know,
at some point around this time, I just probed further with him.
It was probably after him just coming back to me out. It was probably
after because it was after this incident that I actually got much more into the
Bigfoot topic. I think this incident was what provoked me to like, you
know, take more seriously some of the shows I was watching that point,
the Monster Quest I think, was probably already on, and I think if
I recall, Monster Quest had an incident that reminded me of mine. That
was, you know, banging on the wall of the cabin kind of into
and I remember it conjured up for me, Hey, that's sort of like
what happened to me, you know. So it all of that got me
much more curious and got me more you know, deeply read on the topic.
And then if I recall, I went back to my father like months
later, now more red on it. I asked him more about the property,
like you've never seen anything weird up there, and all kinds of stuff
started coming out in him, like that his dog didn't like being put in
the dog run and left for the afternoon, staying up there by himself.
And the dog wasn't particularly like that, you know, on a island where
they lived most of the time, but upstate in New York, the dog
didn't like being in the run, and like they would leave and dog in
the run like the dog. It seems spooked, you know, spending the
day by that, you know, not a great piece of evidence, but
when you cumutively put it together with different things, I'm about to add it
all starts adding up to a picture. Another one was my father had found
several deer with broken back legs that they broke their legs jumping into the cabin,
right yeah, yeah, yeah, broke it but like you know,
broke like a broken ankle, back ankle. Hear, like on the on
the cobblestone road, you know, on the gravel road that leads up to
the house. You know, say, you know, a quarter mile down
the road, but on the property, like he like, he always thought
that was weird and he didn't quite note what to attribute that to. Um.
Another one, this is to me the biggest one was as I got
more well read on the topic, I discovered the Whitehall Monster and all the
stories about the Whitehall monster. Well that caused me to map where the hell
Whitehall was, and to my amazement, Whitehall was like a half hour down
the road. Really, I mean, as you know, Whitehall has had
sighting reports forever, you know, right, well, Whitehall, Whitehall is
the same air. It's like, you know, it's a neighboring town to
where I was when this happened into a big foot person. I mean,
this sounds like a typical property that has big foot activity going on right right
and and and I you know, I told H ended up reporting it to
the b f R before I ever knew Matt. Third invocation mat before I
knew Matt. I reported it to the BFR. Oh this is pre podcast,
you know, pre I'm not in that universe yet, you know where
I know people like him. So I reported it as you know, just
a regular person to the b f R, and they ended up calling me
to get the investigator for that region. This guy, I forget his name,
ended up calling me um and he interviewed me for like an hour and
a half on the phone all about it. Like he like he pulled all
kinds of details out of me that like I didn't even you know, think
we're significant or remembered. But but he would ask me questions that caused me
to wait a minute, you know what, you're right, that was this
way or for example, he asked me, I remember, asked me if
the if the window next to our heads, you know, in the bedroom
if that was open, like if if it was if it was if it
was a screen, there was a screen and it was open where you could
smell us outside, basically is what he was saying, and the answers,
yeah, it was. Um another thing he remember, he asked me this
one. He specifically asked me this one in a call back. He called
me like twice over a couple of days, probably an hour plus in each
call, and I remember this one was the main reason he called me back
the second time. And at the time I was like, this is this
is such a weird universe. And my wife was even more weird about But
the question he called me back to ask me was, was my wife menstruay?
Yeah? She was huh. I mean it starts to paint a picture,
doesn't it right now? Now when I later on, you know,
several years later, I'm doing my podcasts and I do start to you know,
meet people that are really in this world, um Bobo, Matt and
others, and I tell them this story. They start ringing it up absolutely
as a big foot intend And Matt actually went as far as digging into the
BFO file since he's the president of the company and he dug into them and
found my report and read it himself, and I think he probably called the
investigator and asked him what his impressions were further impression sport besides what he wrote
in the report, and uh matt ended up telling me personally that he,
you know, he considers it about sighting side, not eyesighting. But but
I think they would call a class B where I didn't see anything but had
you know, it's the best explanation is a big foot, right, yeah?
Um, I mean I countless stories. Whenever I first got involved in
this, it was like probably around nineteen ninety nine, two ISHM and I
started going out into the field in two thousand and one or two thousand and
two, I can't really remember, but I mean one of the first things
that you started hearing that was just an extreme commonality was bigfoot smacking the sides
of people's houses. Something that stood out about your story to me personally was
all the times I've heard people say that it happened right by their head when
they're laying in bed in their bedroom at night, right And it's you know,
really kind of uncanny how the bigfoot knows where you're at inside the room.
And you know which wall to slap and everything. But like you're saying,
you had a window right there that was apparently open, so that would
certainly explain that, right, And and he for a call. It was
like he smashed, you know, just to the right of it, and
it was it was with real force. It was with force that just I
don't care how big of a human we're talking about, they just couldn't have
done this. Even Andre the giant would have been severely injured. His bones
couldn't have taken the amount of force he hit that way, they would have
shattered. I mean, nine feet off the ground. How far away was
the bed from the window close a foot? So I mean, in theory,
this thing could have been standing at the window looking in the window and
just reached over and smacked the wall and was still looking to see if it
woke you up and what your reaction would be, right, which is exactly
why I mentioned that. I'm so glad I didn't just take the blinds because
the book these were Venetian blinds. All I had to do was, you
know, just put my two fingers there, like open them. Yeah,
we would have been iq I. And I'm telling you i'd there were not
enough smelling salts. I would still be out right now, still be land
there. Yeah, yeah, that would be absolutely terrified. That would have
been a face to face. But I'm also I'm also glad that I didn't
always much about the topic at the time as I do now because I because
if let's say that we're now, let's say that happened yesterday, I would
have understood what that was, and I that even without peeking open the blinds,
I would have been terrified. Like I would have. I would have
ran ten feet to the other side of the room, the other the other
wall, and been like, you know, up against the wall, going
oh my god. Yeah, my naive ty helped me in this case because
I didn't understand what is you know, there are inches separating me from this.
A lot of people that have encounters that you know, have an emotional
effect on them, uh, you know. I run across signs of trauma
all the time talking to witnesses, and that's kind of where I tried to
put them back in that mindset. I'm like, hey, think about all
the times before you knew these things were out there, that you were out
in the woods and everything was just fine. You know that you were still
out there. It still exists before you knew they were real. After that
door is opened, though it's hard to shut it. You raised a good
point here that it never occurs to me, you know, and now you
just said visited. Now it's occurring to me how many times I had been
on that property before that. My father owned that property since the late sixties,
and for a long time we had you know, this property, but
he didn't have a house built on it. He bought the property in the
late sixty has been a incredible deal on this property up state in New York,
and he just bought it and it was just a big fifty five acre
property with nothing on it but woods, you know. I remember he would
sell pine trees as Christmas trees. Like we wouldn't stay on the side of
the road and of them. But I mean he let like, you know,
some guy come up there and caught him every year and round him up
and sell him and he would, you know, make some money on Christmas
trees like that was like one of the little things he had going on from
that property. But we didn't have a house on the property, as a
family vacation house until about nineteen eight. Somewhere around nineteen eighty, I remember
the house was constructed. And from nineteen eighty on when we'd go up there,
it wasn't just to like walk around this weird woods we owned with my
father going and the trees are looking big this year, like for no reason,
you know. Um, you know, we weren't even we weren't hunters.
We've just owned woods for no reason. We weren't like we were doing
nothing with them at all. We were hunting, We weren't tapping maple syrup.
We weren't I don't know why we own this place until until in nineteen
eighty it suddenly had a vacation home on its plateau. You know. Now
there was like a you know, like a logical reason to come to come
here. We weren't just staying in a motel down the street and looking at
those woods are going a lot of leaves fall in this fall, you know.
Um. And so we would go to this house starting in nineteen eighty
and actually stay in the house on the property overnight, not at a motel
down the street. And that I probably did that dozens of times between nineteen
eighty and two thousand and seven and didn't know anything about Bigfoot, didn't you
know. My biggest concern if I was thinking about wildlife sort of stuff,
would have been maybe bears. Maybe even that would be kind of rare upstate
New York. Like you know, black bears aren't as common there as they
are saying California. Yeah, so while a bear was totally possible, it
would be a rarity. It wouldn't be a common thing. A hell of
a lot more common with deer that you see a lot, you know,
turkeys, things like that, But those would be the you know, the
quote unquote wild animals I was I was thinking about while I was there anytime
between nineteen eighty and two thousand and seven, wild turkeys, deer, rabbits,
things like that, and never what I've thought about bigfoot. Now when
I you know, provoked by what you just said, I'm thinking about all
the times I've been up there, and all the times we might have been
watched, and all the times I might have been within one hundred feet of
a bigfoot, and all the time time that I remember I wandered off at
three o'clock in the afternoon and just walked around the woods by myself because it
was just an unusual place for a New York, you know, city suburban
kid to be upstate New York that that far removed from the city was on
was not typical of my life. So like it was neat to me to
like, you know, just walk around the woods, like just be in
the kind of quiet of the woods, you know. And I would wander
off by myself and just walk around and stare and you know, let my
imagination run wild what this is and what that is? Is a twelve year
old and a little did I know I was. I could have been fifty
feet from two Bigfoot at any given moment. You know. When I think
back now, based on what you just said and how close a call I
probably had over and over again, it's terrified. I would really be interested
find I mean there, I know there's no way to do this, but
I wonder if anything took place while they were building the house house, you
know, like clearing the land and actually constructing the house, because you hear
about that sometimes in other places, you know, like construction sites getting messed
with. Yeah, there's there's probably no way for me to find out.
I kind of vaguely remember the name of the guy who was involved in the
construction. Um, you know, you know unique name, and I kind
of vaguely remember it. But we're also talking about probably nineteen seventy eight,
seventy nine. Um, I don't I don't know that guy still alive.
Even if he were, I mean, you would be an absolute nutcase.
I can't even imagine that. Now. Yeah, listen, you remember seventy
eight, you build a house in Cambridge, New York. It was on
the corner of blah blah blah blah blah. I don't know, I might
have. I've done a lot of stuff, and you know I lived in
Washington. Kind of a whole life stun of seventy eight. Now, yeah,
well do you remember did you find any large foot print? Ye?
Anyone you know moving in those logs when you were you know, you built
a log cavals? Anyone ever picked one up and move on? Like,
hey, why did that move? The don't can move that? Yeah,
I mean I don't remember a guy named Clem and uh, I mean yeah,
just it would be a really weird conversation, uh with a guy that
I doubted alive. But but but my father is actually the guy For me
to ask you know for any other weird remembrances, and I doubt he has
more for me than what he he ultimately told me, you know, months
later. But but those were pretty good ones. A couple of times you
found dead dealer, a broken back leg. Um, yeah, you know,
the dog always being afraid to hang around on the dog run and being
left for the afternoon, which wasn't typical of that dog. The dog generally,
you know, wasn't a skittish dog. Um, those were a couple
of good ones. So is the property still in your family and everything?
Unfortunately it is not. As of only a few years ago, um,
maybe four years ago or so, my father sold it to someone else,
and so someone else lives in the house now. I mean, I'm positive
my father could tell me who that is, and I could theoretically get in
contact with that guy. It's not somebody I personally know where ever met,
But my father knows who he sold it to, and I'm sure if I
had to get in contact with the guy, I could and ask him if
anything word's been going on. But but again, another awkward especially specialized the
fact that I'm pretty sure that he told me he sold it to a judge
as in, you know, criminal or judge who would probably have me locked
up immediately after, you know, soon as I started making these calls.
Have you been able to kind of persuade your dad any since that event maybe
be open to the idea it's not just that he's just it's not that type.
It's just a certain like you said, it's a it's a certain kind
of blindfold and in the human mind that most people are wearing. Yeah.
Um, and you know my father is very much of like the type that
you picture having that blindfold on most securely x top that type, you know
what I mean? Sure you mentioned another or less significant event. Did that
happen at this property or was it somewhere O? No, No, it's
it was in California, and it's far less significant, but it but I
still find it strange. And I think I did tell Matt this story also,
and he thought this was pretty weird, like he considered it the right
place for this sort of thing to happen. I was on a private tour
of Yosemite maybe seven eight years ago, and it wasn't dead of winter,
it wasn't a snowy time of year, and I don't remember it necessarily being
anything unusual climate wise. It just kind of kind of an average normal time
of year, like not too hot, not too cold, definitely not snowy.
So so nothing like that is involved in in what I might have been
seeing or miss seeing. Um. But we were on a private tour and
my wife and I were like in a in a in like this van with
a tour guide driver and maybe two other couples that we didn't know that you
know, that we were paired up with on this tour, and it was
just the whole day where he drove you around Yosemite to like different the different
highlights of the park, Like here's this I forget what those things are called,
but you know those crazy rock walls people climb and stuff there. Um,
So you know this waterfall and that thing and this thing, and then
uh, at some point we were on one of these high peaks where you're
looking across a valley at one of the other famous you know cliff side rock
wall things that these lunatics climb up thousands of peak um, and and we're
just you know at this you know, the photo overlook spot he took us
to where you could take pictures, you know, incredible pictures across the valley
at this thing, and the other side was no man's land. It was
it was. It was a sheer rock wall with a flat, you know,
rock face at the top, and maybe some tree line at the very
back of that rock face, probably like I start to estimate, but probably
you know, more than seventy five yards from the edge, you know,
the tree line might start so otherwise, so it's mostly rock, and then
about seventy five yards in the distance of that rock is the beginning of tree
line. And I'm looking across and I'm seeing in broad daylight, I'm seeing
objects like at the distance where they looked like stick figures, almost like but
tall erect objects, two or three moving changing positions, like one would move
to the right and you know, and then another thing would kind of move
to the left and they'd be standing still, and then like that the different
one would change editions, and I'm like, what is that over there?
Like I'm trying to stare squinting in broad daylight at these in the distance stick
figures moving in a place where no humans should be able to be or no
one should be able to get up there. There was no one climbing the
rock face that day. There's no one I'm not even one hundreds in short
that I was looking at a rock face that people do climb. This might
even have been too high, but but it was. It was just weird
that there were things moving over there, and I was I just remember telling
Matt that one and him being like, you know, he seemed to have
a better understanding of the park and where I was talking about, and was
like, yeah, that that's weird, like nothing should be doing that.
And I also, I do remember that I was really into Bigfoot at that
time. This is a point in time that Yoursemi trip happened during a point
in time where I was really reading a lot, and like every big Foot
book I can get my hands on, I was soaking in and you know,
laying on beach vacations reading you know, people's big Foot stories. That's
what I'm laying on the beach reading and Kancoon. And during that that whole
day, I remember driving the driver crazy was big Foot questions because this guy
drove all day every day in Yosemite all the time, and so like the
whole ride, I'm going like like other people are asking normal questions like they're
going, so a lot of hikers get lost out here. I mean,
this is this is way out here in the woods. I mean, you
got a lot of rescues you gotta do. And next guy's going, you
got a lot of fire risk out here. I'm in a really fire.
Once you get a fire going up here, there's really no way to put
it out. It's amazing these guys could even put anything out of here.
And I'm going see the big foots around them, and you gotta you know,
you're having a lot of sasquad. You know, I'm slipping those questions
and left it right throughout this whole day, to the point where the guy
thought I was insane. I think. But at some point, after maybe
my tenth question of the day, the guy turned to me quietly and he
said to me, when I was kind of sitting near the front, he
turned to me quietly and he said, I've seen stuff up here. Anyone
who's worked up here seeing things? Wow, No, but it was right
out of like, um, what what's that guy's name? The guy who
does the uh the missing hunting hunting people? Um, right out of like
his world, you know, like like because Yosemite is one of those places
where that stuff goes on. Yeah, you know, and for sure,
and I think, you know, Bigfoot or not, whether we're talking about
Bigfoot or not. You know, I think Yosemite is the most notorious place
in California for missing people in general. Let's even take the Bigfoot thing out.
I think it's a place where, like, even in even in less
um mysterious circumstances, there's a lot of suicides, a lot of um serial
killers, dump bodies, a lot a lot goes on at Yosemite. Yeah,
a lot of death. Right. So these figures that you saw,
I mean, I realize that you you know, you're looking at them from
a very far distance and everything. But I mean, are we talking could
you tell if they were like upright on two legs? Were they all kind
of similar in high couldn't make out two legs similar in height? Yes?
And you know it seemed like the like the let's call them lines in the
distance. The line seemed similar in height and seemed upright, narrow lines moving
you know. Um, you know, imagine if you were able to cut
a tree down to you know, from from its thirty feet in height to
you know, a third of its height to ten feet. It would look
to you at a great distance like a like a a narrow brown stick moving
changing places. Yeah, you know, um, that's what it sort of
looked like. And and I couldn't make it any more detail. I just
can tell you that the location, the plateau that we're talking about, nothing
should be up there moving. That's not a place you can get to.
Yeah, I mean, I'm just sitting here kind of thinking. You know,
obviously I don't know the location that you're talking about, but from the
description and everything, I mean, any sort of thing that would be moving
would have to be you know, some sort of animal or something obviously,
and uh, an animal at that distance, I mean, I don't think
you'd even see it to begin with. I think that whatever you were seeing
would have to be very large for it to even to register and and and
had had it had the narrowness that a human or bigfoot kind of figure would
have, it didn't have that that like the stoutness that the four legged animal
would have, you know, and also the types of four legged animals we're
talking about that even I guess could potentially be at those sort of heights,
might be rams or maybe you know, elk or something it was. It
didn't have that. That's not the that's not the return it was giving me.
You know, earlier we were talking about how humans just typically just go
to mundane explanations for events that they can't explain out in the woods and you
know, situations like that. But at the same time, I do think
there is something in us that causes us to have things stand out to us
whenever it is something weird and unordinary, you know, for it to stand
out that that gut instinct or whatever, I think we should trust it.
And I think this is one of those situations where whatever these things were stood
out to you because you know, something wasn't right about it. And this
was you know, as remote and high a plateau as can be. I
mean, this was this was absolutely for for you or me to be on
this plateau, absolutely positively, I'm telling you now involves a helicopter. Yeah,
probably not even then. Probably not even then. I mean yeah,
but I mean it's not trust me, it's not where Charlie, Jim and
Steve were moving, right, It wasn't some hikers. Uh yeah, here's
a good selfie off. Let's go up here, right right, have you
ran across in your talks with different celebrities, anybody that has a big foot
story. Lydia Cornell from Too Close for Comfort an All the eighty show,
another one of my teenage posters that came walking into the room. Um,
she said she had a big for incident. And I don't know how I
did this. I wasn't She's in one of the first few episodes of Monstrosity
and I, I don't know. I got distracted. I wasn't on my
game yet hosting my own podcast. But I never came back to it.
I never let it go. The whole episode goes by, and I think
I shelved it. I think I said, like, oh, that's interesting.
I will come back to that, and I didn't. Well, I
mean, maybe you could reach out for a part two, but we've become
we've become a little bit friendly after that. Actually, so like I could
tell st right now, probably while we're doing this interview, gets that's funny,
though, you know, she'd probably find it very strange that a Memorial
day, Um, I don't ruined your podcast by revealing with Davis good,
You're good. I just she's probably at a strange that at this random time.
Uh, this random sort of relaxed to day, I suddenly texted maybe
the first time in six months. I went by the way, uh three
years ago on my podcast. I never got back to this question, what
was your big footage? Like, she's a pretty good chance the cops would
probably be here and I have to talk. I was just out barbecuing with
my family and I thought, you know what, I forgot to ask you
about that bigfoot thing. Yeah, it would be a really unique take on
stalking. Hey, maybe that's a new end. Yeah. Um, I
don't remember anyone else having a big foot and said, I do remember her
specifically, she had she had an alien abduction incident that I did follow up
in that episode. She definitely had an incident. Sounded like she was abducted
by aliens. See to me, that's way more terrifying than bigfoot, way
more. That's they're all. They're all terrifying to me. But yeah,
that is terrifying. And she had she was you know, she was like
eleven years old like you. She had to she had a really she had
a good you know what read to me as an alien abduction story, you
know, And I mean it was so nerve wracking hearing it, and she's
so beautiful, and she was such a sex symbol as television story that I
said to her, I said, you know, this story is really disturbing.
You were eleven years old. Everything about about it sounds like an alien
induction to me. I hate to tell you, but I think you're abducted
by aliens. I said, but the story would I gotta say, Lyddie,
the story would have been so much hotter if she were twentieth It would
have been great for your career. Yeah, I mean, I like aliens
abducting twenty year old Lydia Cornell is a point better. Yeah, and we
can't really take that any farther. Uh yeah, we're gonna have to sell
that one. I mean, so, what's like the craziest story you've heard
from someone? That was a pretty good one? Um, I'm gonna look,
I'm gonna I'll trigger my own memory out now. I looking at my
own guest list if you look while we're talking, and I'll probably think of
who had a good one. Here we go, my own staring at my
own guest list. Who's been so many? So there's so many celebrities I've
got to remember who who had what? Yeah, flip through the rolodex.
All right, I'm looking right now. Well let's see we had now Kenny
Baniel from Seinelle had nothing here, Cornelogy gave you okay. Christopher Knife from
the Brady Bunch was another guy that was very like distant from the the whole
paranormal thing. Like he was on the show and I think I had him
on with a locknext monster guy. You know, he asked some interesting science
questions. Christopher Knight seems to be kind of a science see guys, like
a like an engineering mind or something. But he wasn't like particularly into the
paranormal per se, so I don't remember him having an incident. Lonnie Anderson,
I gave you the ghost incident Charadeine with the glass, the broken glass,
Catherine Bach had she I remember her telling me that she got a phone
call one time from somebody who had died recently, that they had died like
in the last week or two, and they called her and spoke on the
phone. That's also something that you hear a lot in the paranormal world.
I mean, maybe not a lot, but you definitely hear stories of you
know, the phantom phone calls from someone who's recently deceased, So that was
a good one. Let's see. Steve Hackett from Genesis did not have a
paranormal story and ran away from the topic when I brought it up, but
he did. He did tell me that Peter Gabriel, when they were on
tour in the early seventies, used to spend his afternoons walking around the United
States wherever they were were, with a metal detector on and headphones, listening
for coins and stuff, looking for coins on the beach and parks. That
that's what he would do to kill off a day on tour. That's interesting,
which I thought was really interesting. That made Google News actually that that
revelation point. But it would I mean, I know everything there is to
know about Genesis, and I didn't know that one. And that that's and
that's a really unique way bands always talk about, you know, when they're
on tour, like they love the gigs, they love the performance, but
they can't stand the travel. They can't stand the flights, the hotels and
all that is tedious to them, you know, And and the whole idea
that Peter Gabriel International Rock Store, Peter Gabriel that's what he was spending his
afternoons doing in Kansas. Yeah, walking around looking for coins, you know,
in in in uh Mosquegan. It's just it's it's so hard, it's
it's unreal. The picture all them, that's funny. Peter Gabriel could possibly
own your grandfather's pocket watching. Yeah, I mean, like I think I
said to Steve Hackett, so your roadies were packing, you know, Phil
Collins drums, George guitars, and Peter Gabriel's metal different um um shadows.
Stevens end up telling me that he thinks he worked for aliens, kind of
like he wasn't joking around. He doesn't mean, he doesn't mean like the
cohen Heads, but he meant like a family that he thinks were aliens.
He like he thought it through and he thinks they were not actually earthenings.
He thinks they were they were from a different planet and he had a teenage
job working for them. And he gave the whole detailed story that he feels
he worked for aliens as a teenager. I mean, that's pretty out there.
Yep. I was just gonna say I'd be interested in learning how you
know, the steps that led to that conclusion. That would have been a
wild ride. It's it's a while ago, it's a couple of years ago.
It's in the episode though, definitely The Shadow Stevens episode has that and
him counting down America's top five months. So you know there's a there's a
lot of listening there. Uh, let's see him looking through Audrey Landers.
Then remember Award Batman, Robin, but I don't remember him having an alien
thing. He had a lot to say about dogs though. He was talking
about a dog food that has his name on it, and he claims that
his dog food is so healthy and has such incredible properties to it that he
knows of dogs and and has dogs himself that are living over twenty five years
because of the high quality Burt Ward dog hold on. So you're telling me
that Robin Boy wonder. Yes, Burt Ward came on your show, yes,
and hawked his dog food brand's tremendously. So wow, we talk more
about dogs, We talk more about dog food. Man interviews that I've ever
talked to anyone about a thing they have going on, or to anyone in
the world about dog food. Yeah, But I mean, like like I
always say, whoever it is yeah, anything you want to plug, anything,
want to mention. And nearly every celebrity has like I just did this
film work? Just at that show right, mum about about going tour?
They all have something you know, um and and so usually get the normal
amount of plugging from the celebrity, which is par for the course. But
Burt Ward had like a half hour of dogs. I wish I wish him
the best of luck with that. I'll have to look into the Burt Ward
brand dog food. And he owns like some gigantic amount of dogs. I
can't remember the number, but it was something insane, like he has like
twenty five dogs. It was some incredible number of dogs. And he's also
into really gigantic dogs, like his dogs are over one hundred fifty pounds that
he can like ride around his property or something like yeah, yeah, he
has like he has like he had some crazy thing. It was something like
he's got, you know, twenty five dogs and none of them are less
than one fifty or something like all of them are larger than he is.
Yeah yeah, And I said to him, I go, I go,
did you have to buy a separate house? I mean, like, how
are you even functioning. That's why he started his own dog food Brandy.
He had to be able to afford to feed them. And I remember he
was talking about lunch and every day he comes downstairs to the kitchen, it's
a certain time he makes himself a sandwich. I said, you get to
eat that saw like you've got a hundred, one hundred and fifty pounds dollars
everywhere you look. Do you even get right? You got to leave the
room with that challenge doesn't seem possible. Um uh. Steve Lucas from Toto,
I don't remember a paranormal thing from him. Richard Klein from Three's Company,
Larry Dallas fun guest, I had him get he got a special phone
call in that episode. I had him get a phone call from Heaven from
mister Unfurly ran a phone called him with all nine connected directly. I have
him mister Unfairly checked in with Richard Klein. It's a very funny phone call.
Jody Sweeten from Full House was on She okay, I remember her having
a paranormal story, but I do remember playing a game of f monster Kill
with it, where I I gave her choice of different monsters she could marry,
have sex with it, or kill and she played the game with enthusiasm.
The bottom line is is you know squeaky clean Jody Sweeten from Full House,
Stephanie Tanner, Yeah, I've ruined her career. Congratulation. Yeah,
she's completely tarnished. Mackenzie Phillips was on. She had a lot of rock
star stories of our call and remember paranormal ones, but she knows tons of
rock stars, you know, growing up the daughter of John Phillips and Shell
Phillips was her stepmother, and her whole world was living in Laurel Canyon,
you know, with Crosby Stills in Nash and Paul McCartney coming by the house.
I'm sorry for us non celebs out there. You know. It still
just blows my mind that some people live those lives. Yeah, I mean,
she talked about like being a little kid in the hammock in the backyard
with Paul McCartney cradling her, and they would fall asleep and take naps and
stuff. That's crazy. I don't know, I don't know. I mean,
I get it. You know, people are just people at the end
of the day. But whenever your life is like filled with the normal people
in your life just happened to be like historical and prominent celebrities in the world.
Yeah, she You know, she had lots of those stories, but
I don't remember paranormal things with her. Adrian's Med from t J. Hooker
Adrians and Med. He had great William Shatter story. Well, I mean
he would have to. I don't think you can know will Shatner and not
have great Will Shatner stories. He had Shatter stories, he had had Locklear
stories, which of course you expect him to have. Don't remember paranormal Oh
you know what he did now? I remember he had a ghost story.
He had a ghost incident while he was doing a play somewhere, and there
was a ghost definitely was. He had some kind of ghost incident while he
was doing a play somewhere. That's I remember he had that. We had
Mr James Murray Murr from Impractical Joe Pakers on the show. Yeah, he's
really into he's really into alien stuff. He writes kids books about Area fifty
one and he just he's really into the alien subject. I don't remember that
he necessarily had an incident, but he's really he loves the topic. Are
there any like bucket list celebrities you'd like to talk to an interview about this
stuff. Wow, that's a great question. Uh, bucket list clebrities don't
want talk about the paranormal. I don't know. It's hard to say that
I'd call this a bucket list celebrity. But I just just someone who's coming
right to mind, is how I'll answer it. Um, someone I'd like
to talk to. Sammy Hagar. Okay, say, Sammy Hagar is really
into the alien thing. I think he's claimed he claims to have had some
UFO incidents. There are Van Halen songs that are they are you know,
the lyrics by him that are clearly alien themed that people don't realize they're you
know, snapping along and humming along like an alien a hit. You know,
because somebody needs to go back and listen to the lyrics to Van Halen's
Love Walks In which gets tons of radio play for the last thirty years,
but it's it's an alien abduction song. Well now I'm gonna have to go
listen to it after we get off here, and uh put the alien spend
on. You'll listen to it, and you, yeah, you'll listen to
it and you'll You'll know, you'll realize that I've heard the song a million
times. It's, you know, definitely a radio song that you've heard a
lot, and you never stop to think about what's being said, because he
cleverly came up with the title love Walks In, and if you listen to
it and read the lyrics, you know, it seems to me that the
word love is just being substituted in as a synonym alien or something nothing.
He went with a generic which sounds like normal boy girl title, but it's
not what it is. Huh yeah, I'm gonna have to check that out.
And I know he's on the record that he's you know, he buys
into that kind of stuff. I think he's seen things that he'd be a
good guest to have that that's like, it's not really in this case a
bucket list answer, but somebody i'd like to talk to that, you know,
that would be a good one. Uh. Olivia Diabo, I don't
remember she had a paranormal thing. I do remember that. I think she's
the one that told me that she saw Donovan, the rock star Donovan naked.
Uh. Well, that is sort of panormal encounter, right, because
she's the daughter not as not as intensively as McKenzie Phillips. McKenzie's father was
really famous John Phillips. The mom was and pap famous famous you know.
Um Olivia Dabo. Her father was Mike Dabo, who was the lead singer
of Manford Many but Manford man changed lean lead singers about three times, so
he's really only the singer on one famous song of there from the mid sixties
called Mighty Quinn. And then like all the other famous songs people associate with
them are other guys. They're like one of those bands, like a faceless
bands that change members a lot and stuff. But but her there still was
a rock star hung around in the rock were all the London rock world,
you know, and and was the lead singer on a hit single of There's
in the late sixties. So he's certainly like you know, you know,
he knew you were Jimmy andricks Is and people like that, right, and
and that's how and that's why and how she saw Donovan naked. I tell
them with the rock star growing up thing, you know. Uh Saal Rumanick,
the actor, I joked in the description of the Saal Rumanic episode,
We joked at Saal Rumanik has been in every movie and TV show released since
nineteen eighty six, because when we were going through his bio trying to figure
out what things we want to focus in and talk to him about, it
appears that he's been in everything. He's been in everything. I mean,
I'm just looking right now on our own little shortened version and these are just
some of the things in the shortened version of his bio that I see in
front of me against all odds, Wall Street, Bonfire of the Vanity's True
Romance, Unforgiven, Where House thirteen, Frazier, and Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Yeah, you know, now, let you say it. He is definitely
one of those actors that seems to be attached to like every single thing,
right well, when you actually go deep into his you know, his full
resume, he really is in every single thing all the time. Yeah.
So, so we described him as having been in every movie TV shows in
eighty six. That was how we built boarded him. On the episode we
had Aaron Murphy from Bewitched on Tabitha from Bewitched and this is the first time
I a little bit broke format I decided don't put her on with the UFO
person. Don't put her on with a bigfoot person, don't put her on
with a ghost guy. Put her on with a witch. So I booked
Tabitha on the show, and I, you know, surprised her by booking
her with an actual witch as the paranormal guest. Did she was, she
into it very much, and she was totally surprised. I mean, we
don't, you know, we don't tell our guests what they're gonna face,
like so like for example, Jodie Sweden didn't come in no knowing she's gonna
play a half monster kill it just it just happened to her. Our show
get our show gets inflicted on you, you know. Um. And and
Aaron Murphy did not know, you know, if I was going to have
a UFO person or no other person or ten other people. No idea,
She's no idea what she's walking into except the name of the show and my
name and things like that. And and I said to her, I have
a surprise for you, Um, I'm I've been planning this. And she
got a little clenched a little like, oh, what do you mean you
have a surprise for me? Like she didn't know, you know what was
gonna have, you know, if a guy was gonna come running to the
room in a in a cake until they get to the studio to tell them
that yes, yes, yeah, everything happens on Mike. It's all all
unfolding for your eyears. And and I told her, you know, your
Tabitha from Bewitch, and you grew up playing a witch and you grew up
in the whole witch world, and I've decided to have you on with an
actual witch meets you know. And I introduced her to the to the which
we booked. And I can tell you one thing. Booking that episode,
my sister and I had a hard time booking it because we you know,
we were trying to find a good reliable which you know, somebody who do
can be on time, someone who had a good yelp rating. Yeah,
we exactly. We wanted a good yelp rating on time, uh, punctual
punctual which yeah, a punctual which which which was a sense of humor that
we that wouldn't like at some point turn on me and maybe cast a spell
on something right right. That was a true concern of mine, legitimate concern.
I was actually worried that what if I pissed off this witch like this
could become a problem making sure they laugh at every joke, right, I
wonder which they can roll with the punches, you know. And this was
not an easy task. You know. We spent a few weeks looking through
the online witches and um, you know, trying to kind of find you
know, which that met all the different criteria. And we did really well.
We hit the jackpot like our which was was was fun and funny and
lie and you know, you know, giggled along and played, played,
played the jokes and like, I haven't felt like my world's gone awry since
then, so she must not cast any negative spells and everything's been fine.
But it was a real concern. And another thing that was really consistent when
we were looking for a witch was almost all the witches out there there were
potentially available, like you know, the media savvy witches, right, okay,
the ones that were like that had done interviews and like we felt like,
you know, can handle them, have a good Instagram following, Yeah,
right, exactly, exactly, Okay. Most of those witches were quite
X rated. It was unbelievable the amount of overlap between witching and X rated.
Wow, would you ever have known that? I would never It's certainly
not the stereotype that you grow up thinking about whenever it comes to witches.
Yeah, it was constant. It was like, this was always like the
impediment, Like I would go, this witch looks greenie. She really doesn't
have any clothing, she barely owns anything. I mean, I know sex
magic is a thing. I know that's like, you know, a category
of witchcraft if I mean, I could be completely off base with this,
but I'm pretty sure it's a thing. Well, I ended up settling on
a witch that, you know, the hat a frock and the and the
colne hat and everything. You know, sure, sure, and and and
you know she was light and and and and it was very reverential about being
on with Tabitha, like because we didn't. The other side of that is
that we don't tell We never tell our parent normal guests who they're gonna be
on with either. We like the the spontaneous surprise all the way around,
the full circle surprise. Yeah, okay, so everybody's always surprised on the
show, like, you know, whether it's Aaron Murphy didn't know she's gonna
be on a with a witch, and the witch doesn't know she's gonna be
on with Aaron Murphy. Every we want, the whole. Everybody's surprised is
what we want. And so the witch was thrilled. I mean she was.
She was like, oh my god, Tabittha like I grew up well
actually, like like every just everyone was over the move. You know.
By the way, Tabitha from Bewitched, I discovered in my research that you
know, in her teens or early twenties whatever, she was a hanged ten
bikini model. I could not and I could not find any pictures of this
anywhere. And I and I said to her, I go, you know,
I've discovered you or hanged ten bikini we She goes, wow, you
did your research. I said yeah, I said, but I'll tell you
something else I did. I can't find any pictures of you as a hang
ten bikini model. They don't exist. She goes, oh, they're out
there. I go, they're not out there. I've been everywhere, and
if anyone would have found him, it's me. She goes, I have
him. I said, well, you need to bring him to me.
She goes, no, I'm noting. She was holding tight onto those Hang
ten bikini pictures. But if someone could find those and send them to us,
we'd love to see them. Also Natasha Henstridge, she was on de
chieve a paranormal Thing species, Natasha Henstridge, I don't remember a paranormal thing.
John Anderson from Yes Okay, he's on the most recent episode. He
had a really weird one. He claims to have met aliens backstay at a
Frank Sinatra concert. Yep, that's one of the weird one of the weirdest
sentences you'll ever hear someone else. Yeah, for sure, Like uh yes,
like he was introduced to a group of aliens that were special guests of
Frank's or he told he tells the story on the show, but it was
more, it was more, it was it was more, um, it
was a little more cryptic, like more John Anderson e than that. He's
he's a real like spiritual, you know, like like floating above kind of
guys. He's one of those you know, he's a real, real like
metaphysical you know, um, like a Yannie you know character, like one
of those kind of tea yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he
tells the story and that John Anderson anyway, you know, but with but
with real authenticity, like he like he seems to surely believe this is what
happened. I mean, I'm gonna have to check that out. I got
to hear that story. That's a lot of the way it goes with paranormal
events, though. It's you know, regardless of whether the listener or whoever
hearing the story believes they or not, the person the experiencer believes it happened,
and that makes it real for them, you know, yes, and
and and yeah. I can't even do justice to John's story. It's I
can't explain his story. Only he can. It's a it's a it's an
unusual story out of all the different things out there. I mean, you've
got the Lockness Monster and stuff. But why do you think Bigfoot has kind
of become so popular in pop culture and advertising. I mean, you just
see Bigfoot everywhere. What's our fascination with Bigfoot? That's another great question.
It's for me personally, I find the whole Bigfoot mystery and the whole Bigfoot
you know, the Bigfoot themed programming on television to me is the most compelling,
it's the most interesting. Um and that that may just be where I'm
at and the next guy listening to this, Mico, No, but I
like the UFO shows better and those are good too. But like Bigfoot Bigfoot,
for example, let's say versus Lockdest Monster both interesting, but Bigfoot's some
more interesting TV subject. It's it's it's more interesting to watch a documentary crew
hunt in the woods, on the ground, in the on the tangible ground,
feet on the ground, in an area that's a known Bigfoot hot spot,
you know, where there's eyewitness reports of this or that. It's much
more interesting, is much more edgy your seat interesting to watch that unfollowed on
television than you know, a lockdest Monster or Ogo Pogo or Champ hunt in
a lake. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, that does.
I don't know. I'm not sure why it's but it is. It just
is um And maybe in the United States, Bigfoot is also a bigger deal
because it's here. It's it's it's it's people can relate to that it's right
here, like lockness monsters a world away, even though you and I both
know the topic enough to know there are plenty of lake monsters in North America
too, but they're not as famous, you know, og pogo something that
you and I know what that means, but that's very obscure terminology to the
link. Yeah, lake monsters are very regional, right and and and except
for Lockness Monster, they're all pretty obscure to the average person. Yeah,
okay, So if you bring up Champ to the guy at your grocery store
tomorrow, he'll be like, what, I never heard a channel. I'll
think you're talking about Mike Tyson or something. You know. Um, if
you bring up Lockness Monster to the guy at your grocery store, he's heard
of that. That's internationally famous, but it's also a world away to him.
It's over there in Scotland. Like he he doesn't, he doesn't give
that buck thought it. It's not. It doesn't pique his curiosity or creep
him out as much because it feels so removed from his universe. Yeah,
Bigfoot feels feels very North American, and the average person United States, I
think, feels very connected to that phenomena. They either have seen it.
No, somebody who've seen it feel they live near enough to to an area
that they could see it. Um, you know, that could happen in
any moment happen to night in the way home from the movies. You know
they're there. It's very within the grip of people here in this country.
Have you ever had any paranormal experiences? Ghosts or anything like that? Not
so much ghost that I am. You know, I've been confident saying to
you I think that was a ghost. Little little things, but not something
i'd confidently tell you UFO. Yeah, I had what I'm pretty sure was
the US in LA by six years ago. I was driving, and I
always like when I tell this story, I always like um sort of really
orienting the listener to where I was. So they consider at home and play
along with this story. Using their Google Maps, they can street for you
and actually take this car ride with me and look at the sky and see
what I was seeing. So for those of you playing at home and giving
you a second, open your Google Maps. I was driving on Victory Boulevard
in Los Angeles through Van Nuys, headed eastbound towards Burbank. So that actually
helped the guy right now at home with this cursor. So I'm driving eastbound
on Victory. I approach the corner of Victory and Supulvita Boulevard in Los Angeles.
This is in the Van Nuys area of Los Angeles, and I'm heading
to like a TV meeting or something, you know, in Burbank and I
and I in the distance in the due east sky what appears to me to
be like above Burbank basically, you know, which would be probably another twenty
minutes. Driving in front of me to east, I'm seeing little glinting objects
in the sky, very high up in the sky, silver objects. They
look very very high up, maybe a half dozen of them, moving around
each other, changing positions. One goes to the right, one goes to
the left, one moves up down sideways, another one goes around this way.
They're just kind of moving around each other at what looks like a tremendous
height and staying in the same general little area of the sky. And I'm
like, what the hell is that? This is broad daylight in a sunny
afternoon, you know. And I'm like, how is that, you know?
And it's I'm watching it through the whole light cycle. It's a long
light cycle at that corners. I'm watching probably for a few minutes, thinking
this is so weird. I gotta pull over and watch this so I make
a right turn onto Sepulvida, and I pull in to a parking lot a
block or so away in front of like a paint like a house, paint
story, like a story you're buy you know, paint to pay your house.
Um, so the guy falling on along on street view right now is
probably seeing this paint store. I remember which paint you know, whatever they're
called. I forget what the paints are called, but whatever paint brand that
was, you'll see there's a paint store there. And after I made that
right onto Sapolvida, I pulled into that parking lot and I parked my car
facing due east, and I'm still just watching watching this go on. I'm
thinking, like, I want to watch this a little longer and see if
they reveal themselves to me as not what I think it is, or it
clearly becomes looking a little helium balloons or something to fly nearer to me and
I know what it is, and I can just you know, get on
one by day. I end up watching another few minutes. I called my
wife teller when I'm watching, and and then both of us look looking at
the clock, realized I need to get going, like you know, I've
got to be at a meeting, like a two fifteen or something, and
it's you know, it's one forty five, that sort of thing. So
I'm like, I better just keep driving east, and you know, I'll
just keep watching as I drive. I'm still heading the right direction to you
know, I'm heading in the direction it's in. But once I was moving
again, and I was a few blocks away from where I was and moving,
I lost sight of it. I don't know if it stopped existing or
it was just difficult to keep my eyes spotting where it was any longer.
As as my position changed slightly, and the tree line and things start coming
in here and there. The bottom line is within a few blocks, I
no longer be able to keep my eyes on this thing. And it's either
gone or or I can't find anymore. And that ended it. But later
on I ended up looking on YouTube at you have vons and it's and I'd
used, you know, words that described what I was seeing, like small,
very small silver objects moving around each other, tremendous height like you very
very seemed very very high up in the air. I used like terminology that
would maybe try to pull up something similar to what I've seen. I think
I was even typing burbank in LA and the date into my searches, hoping
that someone else films what I saw. I did not find anyone else had
filmed what I saw, but I found numerous people had filmed UFO incidents just
like what I saw. That what I saw was a like kind of recurring,
pretty common UFO sighting in general. I know somebody personally that filmed something.
I mean, we argued extensively about it, just because I'm from the
perspective of, well, I wasn't there. I here are some possibilities.
I mean, I don't know. Maybe you know, it was an optical
illusion. But she's in the Connecticut area and she filmed something that sounds very
similar to what you're describing. And it was also during daylight hours. She
filmed it with her you know, cell phone, and I don't know,
I don't have you know, I can't say that it was a UFO.
I can't say that, you know, it's not. Maybe it's a an
end act or something flying closer to the camera and it just looks like it's
farther away or something. It was too many, it was too many objects
there were silver glinting. It was one of those peak La days, like
not a cloud in the sky, sunshine days, and so nothing was obscuring
it. It wasn't like ducking behind clouds and then appearing to me again.
It was in a cloudless, sunny sky, you know, and it was
it was. It was just like things I'd then seen on YouTube when I
went looking for similar insince I saw stuff that looked just like what I saw.
So weird, so weird. I mean, especially, you know,
with all the UFO stuff going on, all the quote unquote disclosure process happening,
and the government acknowledging them and looking into it officially, at least publicly.
I mean, yeah, that's that's getting really weird. I remember a
friend of mine in the nineties. I had a friend who was really into
this topic, and we talked about this stuff all the time until the wee
hours. And this is like when X files with a hit show, and
um, there were certain shows that were already on TV that were on this
topic. I mean, for as long as you and I have been watching
television, there's been things like in Search of and stuff like that, but
there weren't there weren't as many shows, there weren't a whole networks dedicated to
it. Is like like there is now, you know, um, but
but at the time there were some stuff. And I remember he used to
always say to me, they're getting us ready. They are, They're prepping
us, they are. There's it's clear that, you know, with things
like The X Files becoming a network, mainstream hit television show, that there's
some kind of an agenda to condition us and get us ready for the reveal,
to prepare us to be able to handle the reveal. And it always
sticks with me. Now with all the stuff that you're starting to seek them
out in official channels now that he may have been right like and that like
now it's really starting to look like they've up the empty with that. Yeah,
they've kind of moved from the fictional world to the non fictional world,
you know, and right they're not letting it and not letting it stay just
in the in Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters world and in and in you know,
documentaries on Travel Channel. There now they're they're going. Also, by the
way, here's some footage the Navy shot. Here's a new thing. The
Army just got gout their hands on and they're releasing it in official ways that
that you know they're they're they're shooting down things, and we're watching entire weekends
of news coverage about something they shot down this weekend. Yeah, that that's
that's remarkable. This sort of thing always kind of pauses me in my tracks
because I mean, I don't, like I said, this sort of thing
terrifies me. I don't know why it bothers me so much more than the
other categories of the unexplained or whatever. But the alien stuff, I mean,
are they are? Are we going to see contact in our lifetimes?
I mean, is this something? It's sure as hell it's starting to seem
like it. It's sure as hell's starting to seem like it. The the
other thing I'm remembering now, back to that house my father had to Upstate
New York, is that that area was a known UFO hotbed, that area
of upstate, and that I do recall, even in the eighties as a
teenager, being aware of Like I may not have been aware of it,
you know that this is a bigfoot area. I had no idea of the
Whitehall Monster, never heard of that would never even at that time if you
asked a teenage me in nineteen eighty seven, you know what I know about
Bigfoot? I would have said that, isn't that like a Pacific Northwest thing.
I wouldn't have understood that like Bigfoot, they're Bigfoot, and since all
over the country that you could be in Ohio or Michigan, Wisconsin, I
would never understand any of that. So so certainly I didn't stand around Upstate
New York as a teenager thinking about, like, there's big foots up here,
like I didn't seem like in the realms ofility, but UFOs I was
aware of that. I knew that that area is known for UFO incidents.
And I definitely, you know, at seventeen, could have been standing on
my father's upstate balcony, you know, worried about the clearness of this sky
up here and the isolation up here and an alien ins and up there would
have been the kind of thing in my scary day dreams. Yeah, well,
David, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing some of your
stories with me and everything. Where can people find you, sir? Monstrosity
podcast dot com is the main website for the show, and it's ket of
you know, all the places that you can find everything about this show.
And there's even now a link on Monstrosity to go and collect for yourself all
of the old episodes of comedians talking about Bigfoot. We've stuck them on the
Monstrosity Patreon since they were no longer in the public domain, so you know,
the original podcast is accessful up there, as well as all the merchant
stuff and our social media, so all that's there, and then David Race
dot com has all this stuff more and you know in my career directly.
All right, thanks a lot, And if you've had an experience with the
unexplained, something you can't quite figure out. Was it Bigfoot? Was it
a ghost? Was it an alien abduction? Email me at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail
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