1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,000 So ten o'clock at night, my wife is out on the balcony of the 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,839 house looking out the telescope my father had. Eventually, after ten to fifteen 3 00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:09,320 minutes this, she pops her head in and says to me, there's something 4 00:00:09,359 --> 00:00:12,320 weird out here. I just feel like, you know, hearing noises over 5 00:00:12,359 --> 00:00:13,839 there. I'm like, well, what are you hearing? She's like, 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,359 I don't know, like like footsteps or and then I saw a rabbit run 7 00:00:17,399 --> 00:00:20,760 by, looking afraid, and I feel like something's watching me, you know. 8 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:23,480 Fast forward now, that's probably ten to eleven a knight. Fast forward 9 00:00:23,559 --> 00:00:26,280 now it's to the middle of the night. Will sound asleep in the guest 10 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:30,000 room. All of a sudden the middle night, were awakened from dead to 11 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:36,600 dead sleep by a boom boom, like a couple two or three boom hits 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,159 next to our heads on this log cabin. Let's just pretend that was you. 13 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:43,320 I'm telling you now, your arm would have been shattered to dust the 14 00:00:43,799 --> 00:00:47,359 force this thing hit it. You couldn't have had hit this wall with this 15 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:50,679 kind of force. You could not have done that. Thank God we didn't 16 00:00:50,719 --> 00:00:55,640 peek up the most blinds, because I'm positive there was a very large big 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:34,359 foot standing right there at that window. I'd like to welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. 18 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:40,159 David Race of the Monstrosity podcast. David, how you doing doing good? 19 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,400 Doing good? So, man, tell me a little bit about yourself. 20 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:49,519 I know that you've been part of the stand up comedy world and for 21 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:53,280 some reason you decided to venture into the world of podcasting, the paranormal and 22 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:59,280 Bigfoot. How did that all come to be? Ah? Well, I 23 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:01,560 used to be jockey on the radio for a long time before I ever became 24 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,840 a comedian. So I, you know, they playing around in the in 25 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:08,080 the radio space, which podcasting really is. It's like on demand radio. 26 00:02:08,159 --> 00:02:14,560 Really, um, you know, isn't new to me. And and then 27 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:19,120 for a while, while doing stand up here in la Um, you know, 28 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:22,680 I started noticing that every comic was getting was doing a podcast, getting 29 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,360 a podcast or doing a podcast and I and I resisted it for a while. 30 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:29,919 I in my mind it was like a backwards move. I'd already been 31 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,840 down that road, like the radio world was a place I'd spent a lot 32 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:34,560 of time, and I was like, I don't want to do that again, 33 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,080 you know, And I had no interest, and I would just sit 34 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,840 backstage and hear comics talking about their podcast and you asking me to I want 35 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,319 to be on their podcast, or asking other other comics to be on their 36 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:46,240 podcast. This went on and on for you know, a year or two, 37 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:53,840 and then one afternoon I was at home and it occurred to me that 38 00:02:53,240 --> 00:03:00,520 what if I do a podcast that that takes in my deep no knowledge and 39 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:06,800 passion for all things Bigfoot and sort of does does a podcast under that construct 40 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,520 instead of just you know, the David Ratio or whatever the other comedians were 41 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,439 doing, which we're all worked, we're all kind of like all the comedians 42 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:15,800 had podcasts like that, you know, the John Johnson Show, you know, 43 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:20,400 um, And I thought, what if I just sort of hang this 44 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,479 picture frame around it, you know, and and it'll be this this thing 45 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:29,319 where you know, I'm talking passionately about the Bigfoot thing, but inevitably, 46 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:31,039 you know, the humor is going to come through also, so it's sort 47 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,280 of blending those two things. And then you know, the idea expanded in 48 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,039 my head a little further. I thought, what if I put comedians, 49 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,520 i know, you know, into the into that construct, like actually, 50 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,400 you know, commedian who don't necessarily know anything about Bigfoot, but people I 51 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:49,680 know as comedians and marry them together with you know, someone from Finding Bigfoot, 52 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:53,199 someone from Ancient Aliens, you know, as a guest. So all 53 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:59,000 that became in twenty fifteen, Comedians Talking about Bigfoot my first podcast, which 54 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,960 um Buy episode five, had a TV deal. Yeah, it was extremely 55 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:11,120 popular and well received. I remember it right well well when I did that, 56 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,360 you know, at first, when I first announced I was doing it 57 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,120 online and things, I got a lot of pushback from the Bigfoot world because 58 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:21,439 I remember the general sentiment was, oh, great, another comedian is going 59 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,759 to mock the whole thing. That was That was what everyone assumed I was 60 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:30,600 going to do. And the truth is that I'm a believer and have had 61 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:33,600 my own experiences. Even if they're not Class A sidings, you know, 62 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,360 they're they're Matt Moneymaker calls them class B sidings at least, I mean they're 63 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,839 they're they're good enough for him. So I I you know, I was 64 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,920 very authentic about the topic. And yes, I was going to be funny, 65 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,360 because you know, you put comedians in a room, funny things are 66 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:54,439 going to be said. Just you can't help that. But I would be 67 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:57,399 funny at a funeral and didn't know way to change that. But but I 68 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,839 but I knew that that I would take the Bigfoot topic more seriously than what 69 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,639 people expected me to do. In those initial social media reactions, I saw 70 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:11,680 and um, you know that that is what I did with it. And 71 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,879 then so by the episode five, it had to deal with these guys who 72 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:18,160 had done a very famous show for History Channel that was on that same subject, 73 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:24,879 and we ended up shooting an entire week. You normally, when you 74 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,560 shoot a TV thing, you know, for sale where you haven't sold it 75 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:31,399 yet to network, normally a production company will shoot what they'll call sizzle reel, 76 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:34,480 which will be like a like a five minute you know, proof of 77 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:41,000 concept of what the thing is, and you don't have to go heavy into 78 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,959 the budget world. You know, I don't just spend a fortune. Getting 79 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:46,240 a five minutes is a real done. It's a little bit of money, 80 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,120 but it's not as much money as a real episode would be. You know, 81 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:55,199 these guys, these guys shot a real episode. These guys shot intending 82 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:00,519 that this episode we're shooting will end up being episode number one of the show, 83 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,360 you know, for air. Oh, this is a plot, right, 84 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:05,920 it was They these guys didn't shoot like this, here's a five minute 85 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,199 demonstration. Now what do you guys think? And then you know that will 86 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,759 fund the pilot. They funded a pilot. Wow. And and we, 87 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:17,519 uh, you know, we got together me and two comedians that I had 88 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,480 picked up or I thought would fit, you know, the channel theme of 89 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:27,920 how I constructed the TV thing, which was also you know, based exactly 90 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:30,600 on comedians talking about Bigfoot, but it was a TV version, you know. 91 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,519 And and we went to Minnesota and shot it there in you know, 92 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:39,680 like in rural Minnesota. And we were there for a whole week, shot 93 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,959 an entire week like as if, you know, as if we already had 94 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:44,800 a deal, like like we're there on a budget with a full deal already 95 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,720 from Animal Planet or something, And and shot a whole week. And then 96 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,480 for the next year or so, that was going through a sales process, 97 00:06:53,519 --> 00:06:56,800 and it had fits and starts. It almost sold it didn't know, then 98 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:00,480 undid itself, then almost sold to someone else. Then it went through a 99 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:08,000 lot of fits and starts, ultimately not selling for various reasons that that would 100 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,959 take me forever to go into, but lots of things kept it from selling. 101 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Um and and then I thought, well, I got to get back 102 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:17,920 to doing a podcast now. So I decided, what if I go back 103 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,240 to doing a podcast, but I do something just a slight alteration on comedians 104 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,000 talking about Bigfoot. Let me broaden it out to UFOs. Bigfoot goes you 105 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,079 know, locked us monster like not just Bigfoot. And let me change the 106 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:39,360 construct of comedians are the guests in the room and the guy from Ancient Aliens 107 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,240 is the paranormal guest. Let me change that contract a little. It doesn't 108 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,279 have to be comedian. It can be regular celebrities, actors, actresses, 109 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,959 movie you know, movie people and rock stars and stuff, not just comedians. 110 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:56,399 You know, what if I sort of make those little adjustments so that 111 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:00,399 that changed the title in my mind to you know, let me changed the 112 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:03,120 title too, so it became Monstrosity with David Race, which I started in 113 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,600 twenty eighteen. I think, um, and you know, the logo from 114 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:13,319 Monstrosity reflects that it covers all the things I think I created like a logo 115 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:18,079 where the the O as a UFO and the the R and monstrosities a C 116 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,439 monster. You know, the Bigfoot is the is the letter T the it's 117 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:24,040 actually you know, the Patterson Gimblin Bigfoot kind of walking by is the letter 118 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:31,480 T and that became the logo the show. The podcast has been really well 119 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:37,679 received. Um, I've been amazed at how many celebrities come in and do 120 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:39,879 this show. And what's so cool is that because I live in la and 121 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:46,120 and you know, La based, I have this cool advantage of being able 122 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,639 to have celebrities come in and do it live, except for Covid and interrupting 123 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:52,360 that. You know, COVID changed that a bit. There was there were 124 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:56,200 you know there there've been a good amount of episodes now that we're also you 125 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,799 know, done by feed, you know, where the celebrities somebody else, 126 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:03,840 so somewhere else, but but most of the episodes somebody's come in and it 127 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,600 It is the coolest thing in the world. When you know, Daisy Duke 128 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,480 comes walking in, it's like your teenage your teenage poster walked in off the 129 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:15,879 walls. Yeah. Yeah, I've looked through, uh, some of your 130 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,960 monstrosity resume of guests and it's just crazy, man. It's absolutely insane, 131 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,720 very diff and it's always it's it's very diverse, and it's it's you know, 132 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,279 there's rock stars too, I mean, like the recent episode, most 133 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:31,120 recent episode is John Anderson, the lead singer of Yes Yea, who's a 134 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,360 legendary rock star in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame for God's sakes. 135 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:39,440 Yeah, you know, and and and you know, I had Shadows stevens 136 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:45,200 On as a famous radio guy, Shadows stevens Yeah, which I had made 137 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:52,240 him count down America's top five arts of Daisy Dukes. But you know, 138 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Catherine back, she wants to come in again. She's ready to come in 139 00:09:54,000 --> 00:10:01,240 every episode I think, um Lonnie Anderson's come in U you know, just 140 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,600 recently had Natasha Henstridge from Species. Yeah, she was good. I just 141 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:09,080 had just recorded a new episode a couple of days ago. And you're the 142 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,080 first guy I'm telling anywhere in the world who it is. Here. Your 143 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,159 audience is about to get an advanced preview. Here you go, folks hearing 144 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,279 it here first. The new episode about to come out probably this week. 145 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:26,960 Uh is Christanna Locan, the super hot blonde from Terminator three. Yeah, 146 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:35,039 she came in, you know, was very distracting. Olivia Diabo came in, 147 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,559 another beautiful woman. Yeah. That that's That's one of the ones that 148 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:41,480 got me whenever I was younger, uh, growing up watching Wonder Years. 149 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,600 Yeah, she and she was so much fun. She was so much fun 150 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,799 too on the show. She was like, it's so weird because I don't 151 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,559 give them there's no requirements that they have to have any interest in the paranormal 152 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:54,480 or any experience of their own. We don't, you know, put any 153 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:58,279 of that on them. That's that's our problem, not theirs, you know. 154 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:05,360 And but but they almost always have something to say in that zone from 155 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:09,840 personal experience, almost always. It's it's rare that there's a celebrity sitting there 156 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:13,279 who came in, did the show and actually doesn't have a thing to add 157 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,360 in that area, you know. Um, one example I could think of 158 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,879 a somebody who definitely seemed really distant from the paranormal thing, like almost like 159 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,159 uh, yeah, yeah, I did your show, but then don't follow 160 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,919 me at this paranormal. A little bit of that was was Mike the Moon 161 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:37,000 from Fast Times at Richemond High, Robert Rabatic, Yeah, who was a 162 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:41,039 great guest, and and it was the weirdest thing sitting opposite him, and 163 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,320 it was like it was the moan. He talks like the moan, he 164 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,960 looks like the money said, so you're back and forth going to tell me 165 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,960 about you know something, and he's like, well, I gotta tell you 166 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:54,080 man, I had some nice team. You know, he's not putting on 167 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,639 a character like that delivery. Uh. And this led on and on like 168 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,320 an hour. But I remember when we went to the Paranormal Guy and I 169 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:05,000 don't remember it was the UFO guy. I can't remember, you know what 170 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:09,799 the theme was that, but whoever it was, I remember he sort of 171 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,519 bailed out. He sort of he was there, he was in the room 172 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,240 physically, but he wasn't really there. It was sort of like fifteen minutes 173 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,840 of me talking to a UFO guy and maybe every sophon going Robert together and 174 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:22,159 they're gonna say every gay No, not really just kind of listening along. 175 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,960 He starts thumbing around on his song like yeah, yeah, aliens got it. 176 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:33,399 Yeah I think um. Another one that was a little like that was 177 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:41,759 we had Kenny bang Yet from Seinfeld on the show Stephen Heydener, and he 178 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:45,960 was very very funny, really funny episode, but he walked out and took 179 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:52,000 a piss during the paranorm book guy. Wow. Wow, I mean, 180 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,240 you know, hey, it's not for everyone. You know. Yeah, 181 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,399 yeah, but that was the only guy I've ever seen that there was no 182 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,799 explanation. I remember sitting there thinking, where's he going? Actually actually got 183 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,480 ghosted on a paranormal show. Yeah, it was weird. U. Then 184 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,639 other people have surprised me with how involved their paranormal story was. Lonnie Anderson, 185 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:22,440 you know, had a really detailed thing about being haunted when she was 186 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:28,480 filming, um oh, town's name is Jane Mansfield, the Jane Mansfield movie, 187 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,519 the one where she plays Jane Mansild and Arnold Schwartz and Arnold Schwartzer plays 188 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:35,080 her husband in that movie. Actually it's like nineteen eighty eighty one. Anyway, 189 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,919 they were filming it at Mansfield's house and Lonnie ended up telling us all 190 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:45,799 about the Chief Fields that she was being haunted by Jane Mansfield's ghost on the 191 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,679 set to the point where she was visited by the ghost. She saw that 192 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,360 operation was visited by the ghost, the James Mansfield ghost while she was showering 193 00:13:54,639 --> 00:14:00,480 in in Mansfield's house. And I couldn't help it, Asknie, are you 194 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,480 sure that wasn't a photographer ghosts visiting Jamie visiting Lonnie in the shower. Okay, 195 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:09,639 but yeah, everybody is visiting Lonnie in the show. Yeah, yeah, 196 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,159 who wouldn't take this visitation? Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you 197 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:16,360 were in here. Yeah exactly, I mean that was probably an Arnold actually, 198 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:20,360 um. And then the who was the other one? Oh, Robert 199 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:24,559 Charden from Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah, he uh. He had an 200 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,440 unexpected story that was like a I don't know if you called this teleconnie, 201 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:31,159 not teleconniese. What would you call it when you your mind causes something to 202 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,759 happen. Yeah, he was sitting at a diner or something, but talking 203 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:37,639 with a guy, you know, across the table, and the guy was 204 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:43,039 telling him some story about somebody else they mutually knew in show business. It 205 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,320 was something that pissed him off. Like Chardin was getting really pissed, you 206 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,879 know that this real enemy of his just book some gigantic role that he wanted 207 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:52,639 a book or he's something like that that made him anger. And and while 208 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:58,320 he's getting seething mad hearing this story, and I could be I'm completely kind 209 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,759 of making up the contract right now. I don't remember what it was that 210 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,080 made him angry. I have to go back and listening to the episode so 211 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,759 what I just said is fictional. But but whatever it was that made him 212 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:09,679 mad, whatever that Jean this, you know, the subject was something was 213 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,320 making him mad as he listened to this story. And he's looking across the 214 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,159 table and his friend who's got a glass of water or something while they're having 215 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:20,879 this conversation, and he's staring at the glass of water with the seething anger 216 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:24,200 about whatever was he was mad about, and the glass of water shattered into 217 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:31,240 a million piece WHOA do you think that people in general have like some sort 218 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:37,360 of innate psychic ability and just sometimes it comes out and sometimes others can kind 219 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,919 of manipulate it easier than others, or do you think it's just some random 220 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:45,639 occurrence that doesn't really exist inside of us. I don't know. I mean, 221 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:46,279 haven't given that much s thought. What do you think I'm just kind 222 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:54,240 of paranormal guy or something. I mean, so, actually, I don't 223 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,279 you know that one. I that area of paranormal is not stuff I'm super 224 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:00,960 up on. I mean, I know you know of these sort of instance 225 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:07,200 spontaneous combustion and that kind of in the Charodeene story, but obviously I don't 226 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:14,080 don't don't know anyone else who spontaneously blew up or made a glass shatter across 227 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,200 the room from it. So so it's it's hard to like, it's harder 228 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,480 to get your head around that one. Have you ever experienced anything yourself, 229 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,039 like I knew someone was gonna call before they called, or something. I 230 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,360 mean probably that that that to me would seem kind of minor, A new 231 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:36,399 someone's gonna call before I'm sure I happened. Um, I'm thinking more like 232 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:38,559 the big stuff like Caardeen's thing with a glass shatter and then that No, 233 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:42,639 that would be that would be a hard No. Yeah, nothing like that 234 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:49,679 happened, das. But I mean we've we've all had little sure I'm sure, 235 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:52,600 yes, yeah, we've all had like, you know, a six 236 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,080 what would you call that sixth sense? You know that something? You know, 237 00:16:56,159 --> 00:16:57,759 Yeah, we've all had that. We all a descha vous. You 238 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:00,279 know, everyone experiences that where you feel like, wait a minute, I've 239 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:03,160 been here for I know I know exactly what's gonna happen next. I'm gonna 240 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,559 turn to my left, my dog's gonna run by, and then I'm gonna 241 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:07,799 go down the stairs, and my wife's gonna say this to me. Like 242 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:11,279 we all have like that fifteen seconds or like I have done all this before. 243 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,359 I know exactly what's gonna happen next. You know, that's always weird. 244 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,759 I don't know what that's all. What that is like you like you 245 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,119 like you in the past, you got some somewhere in your you know, 246 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,359 in your dreams or something, you've got a glimpse into your future. And 247 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,079 now like as you're living it, you're as you're living it, you're like, 248 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:30,200 wait a minute, I know, I know what's gonna happen next. 249 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,519 Then I'm you know, like the ice cream man is gonna ring the doorbell 250 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:37,359 and say that I didn't give him enough change, and then and then like 251 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,000 you know, the dog is gonna come running back in the backyard, like 252 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:42,880 and then it all happens, and you literally like you almost can point around 253 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,920 your home like okay, three two one, doorbell there it goes exactly like 254 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,519 I said, you have you have like twenty seconds of that. It's also 255 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:59,240 pretty where that the ice cream man came after you. Yeah, it was 256 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:03,559 like a dollar Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny as you're 257 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,319 in on that because you're it in of the thirty five cents collection from ice 258 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,519 cream Man. Yeah, but I mean, but it is, it's so 259 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:15,039 strange. Deja vu is such is a really strange Yeah, And it's always 260 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,640 weird situations. It's it's not like, you know, major events. It's 261 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,000 like you're saying, you know, just random, kind of mundane things like 262 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:25,640 I remember at one point in time I had it whenever I just like saw 263 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:27,240 like a can of soda sitting on a table somewhere, and I was like, 264 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,200 oh my god, I've seen this before. I've been here in this 265 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,799 exact spot before with that soda sitting right there. It's never you know, 266 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,000 like the end of the world. It's so weird, you know, because 267 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,640 so many people experienced that, I mean pretty much, I would dare say 268 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,640 just about everybody has at some point, you know, like you're saying, 269 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,799 and I just you know, where does it come from? Science hasn't figured 270 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:55,079 that one out yet. For sure. It seems like it's it's just like 271 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:57,440 we're getting somewhere along the way in a dream or something, we're given a 272 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:03,599 peak into our future. So I'm dying to ask, tell me about your 273 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,440 big foot stuff. Man, what happened? Well, there's been two. 274 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:11,599 There's one I've only talked about maybe one other time, and that's the lesser 275 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,359 stories. I probably that's why I haven't talked about it much, But if 276 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,519 you want, I'll get to that one too. But the bigger one, 277 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,039 the more the one I've talked about more on my podcast in other places is 278 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,599 um I'll give you the detailed version. It's the two thousand and seven two 279 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:33,160 thousand and seven I think it is. I was, you know, already 280 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,160 living out in la for a while at that point. But but my my 281 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:42,960 all time favorite band, Genesis was on tour and they were playing New York 282 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,079 that week, so I flew across the country to see the New York shows 283 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,640 also, and my wife was with me. And during the course of that 284 00:19:52,680 --> 00:20:00,279 week we went with my father and his wife to an upstate in the York 285 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,000 property my father owned for many, many years. Um. It was a 286 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:08,319 house on top of a mountain, you know, on private property. He 287 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,359 owned fifty five acres and the house was way up at the top of the 288 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,279 plateau of the mountains. So so you know, the acre it just you 289 00:20:17,279 --> 00:20:18,880 know, from the you know, begins at the street level and you go 290 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,759 up like a private like a chain fenced road. You have to unlock to 291 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:26,880 get to and you drive up this cobble road way up you know, high 292 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,799 and through the through the winding woods to eventually get to the clearing on the 293 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:36,799 plateau where he had this house built up there, and the down slope of 294 00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:40,319 the mountain in every direction is also his property. So you're talking a big 295 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,559 parcel land the nearest house. And I'm setting up this way for a reason 296 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:48,160 because it really lays out, you know, the foundation of how remote we're 297 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,079 talking about the nearest neighbors are, you know, a half a mile in 298 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,200 any direction, like on other properties of that size. So this is not 299 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,880 a neighborhood like you've been picture in any normal suburban place. This is a 300 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:07,079 house on a mountain in the woods. And my wife and I went up 301 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:12,079 for a couple of nights, and at the time I was marginally into the 302 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,920 Bigfoot topic, but I would say I wasn't super well read on it. 303 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,039 I was, you know, a childhood viewer of In Search Of and Leonard 304 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,000 Nimoy. I was, you know, uh, you know, open to 305 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:29,599 Bigfoot documentaries that kind of toughly interested me on TV. But but I I 306 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,880 don't remember if two thousand and seven and Finding Bigfoot was even a show yet, 307 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,359 it might have been a brand new show. I'd have looked it up. 308 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,960 But it's you know, it's somewhere roughly about when that show probably starts 309 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:42,519 to happen. But anyway, and I was a regular viewer of that, 310 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,960 But but but but I don't. I'm saying all this intentionally because I don't 311 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,079 recall like that I was super, super knowledgeable or super into the top. 312 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,160 Again, I liked it, was interested in it. Definitely kind of subject 313 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,519 that can catch my attention on television, But I wasn't like really really well 314 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:06,480 read or knowledgeable. Um. And we were up there ten o'clock and night. 315 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:11,319 My wife is out on the balcony of the house looking out the telescope 316 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,559 my father had at the very clear skies, you could see the stars everywhere, 317 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:17,839 and she's looking at all that. I'm sitting in the in the living 318 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,880 room watching her, you know, through the glass, what what she's out 319 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,759 there doing? And I am noticing that she keeps sort of seeming startled and 320 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:30,759 kind of like taking her eyeway from the telescope and kind of looking like what 321 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,799 the hell, kind of looking to the right or left to the dark woods 322 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,039 tree line and you know, getting seeming like she's getting spooked ever resolve and 323 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,240 you know, interrupting her looking through the telescope, And that's not like her. 324 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:47,279 I would say, She's definitely nowhere near like me, like really like, 325 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,960 you know, on the edge of her seats, afraid of everything like 326 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:53,720 I am, and not and not you know, nearly as well versed on 327 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:57,720 these topics. So I would say it wouldn't be like her, you know, 328 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:03,160 to automatically assume whom there are aliens coming after her and these words i'd 329 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,519 be I'd be thinking like that, not her. Um So, so I 330 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,559 thought it was weird that I kept seeing her get startled and kind of turn 331 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:12,839 her head away and look left and right and then go back to what she 332 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,039 was doing. Eventually, after ten fifteen minutes, the she pops her head 333 00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:19,279 in and says to me, there's something weird out here. I just feel 334 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:22,279 like, you know, hearing noises over there. I'm like, what are 335 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,599 you hearing? She's like, I don't know, like like footsteps or and 336 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,319 then I saw a rabbit run by, looking afraid, and I feel like 337 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,400 something's watching me. She's saying those sort of things. Now, I feel 338 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,759 like something's watching me would hit you or any big foot guy as hold on, 339 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:41,599 that's bigfoot kind of stuff. But that's what I mean when I say 340 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,240 I wasn't that well read on it yet. I didn't. I didn't understand 341 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:52,039 a phrase like I feel like something's watching me to be a big foot type 342 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:57,240 of incident sounding That wasn't that wouldn't they hit me yet? You know a 343 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,359 few years later I would have been aware of that sort of thing. So 344 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,279 so I just kind of said, well, just come int forget it, 345 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,599 you know, that was the thing of a layman would say to that and 346 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:15,319 stop looking out the telescope coming out. Um, So she came in and 347 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,200 uh, you know, fast forward now that's probably ten eleven a night. 348 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:23,039 Fast forward now to the middle of the night, and I'm talking dead middle 349 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:26,000 of night, three thirty in the morning, the middle of night, you 350 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:32,920 know, and sound asleep in the guest room and the the This is a 351 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,480 very sturdy log built kind of house, like a large house, like four 352 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:44,359 bedrooms, but like you know that that heavy thick, you know, log 353 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,599 cabin construction, like like you know timber that you know you when you when 354 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,279 it's not I don't mean there's something flimsy. I don't mean something temperary. 355 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,720 I mean, like, you know, if if you're rund a mind of 356 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:59,079 bulldozer, this I wouldn't knock over. You know. Um, we're sound 357 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,759 asleep and all of a sudden the middle of the night, we're awakened from 358 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:11,200 dead, dead sleep, you know, by a boom boom, like a 359 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,359 couple two or three boom hits next to our heads on this log cabin, 360 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:21,319 you know, next to the guest room. And when you're dead asleep in 361 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,359 the dark of the woods, you know, such a quiet up state place, 362 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:33,119 and something wakes you that suddenly this will maybe forever be the undoing of 363 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,920 this incident. But we neither of us like jumped up out of the bed 364 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:45,160 and like peeked open the blinds, like we we just were so suddenly woken 365 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:49,319 from such dead sleeps that we just looked at each other and went, what 366 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,880 what the hell you know kind of and just fell right back down, like 367 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,119 our head just fell right back to the billows, and we went back to 368 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,720 sleep out. The big Foot intensive listener is listening to this, going you 369 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,200 idiots, you missed a Class A siding right next to you. You know, 370 00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:14,480 my attitude in my head right now whenever I retell the story and I 371 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,720 think about it, because I could picture us there, I remember it also. 372 00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:22,240 Well, my attitude about it is thank god we didn't peek up in 373 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:26,440 those blinds, because as I continue the story, you'll understand that I'm positive 374 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:32,079 there was a very large, big foot standing right there at that window, 375 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:37,279 right next to the window sill where he smashed the wall next to our heads, 376 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,839 and I would have been face to face with him. And I literally 377 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,799 peeked the blinds open just a foot away from the bed, I'd have been 378 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,559 face to face with him, and I'd probably still be unconscious in that room 379 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,920 right now. So I'm actually glad that didn't happen. But you know, 380 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,720 the Matt moneymaker type. That's my second Matt money vote maker invocation of this 381 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,680 call the Matt money maker type. Yeah, don't say him a third time. 382 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,440 Yeah, you know, he he he would forever be regretting, you 383 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,799 know that he didn't do that. And on the opposite, I'm so glad 384 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,400 um. But but anyway, we did go right back to sleep, but 385 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:18,440 there was no further banging on the wall anyway. The next day I crept 386 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,599 around outside you know, just out of curiosity, right by the window to 387 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,319 see, like what does it look like out there? Exactly how high is 388 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,839 this window from the floor. Like I took it all in and like, 389 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:33,400 you know, made note of it. And the window was probably nine feet 390 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:37,519 off the ground. Um. The wall next to it, you know, 391 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,079 you know, anything is smashing, The wall next to the smashing nine ten 392 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:47,599 feet up. Um. The ground wasn't disturbed over there. It was grass 393 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,400 up to a point I think, like up to very close to the house, 394 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,039 maybe maybe to a foot or two from the house. It was maybe 395 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:59,160 something harder, like like a hard packed dirt, you know, in shrubbery 396 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:02,880 or something, but most of his grass up to roughly up to it. 397 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:07,559 And there was nothing disturbed looking certainly no dead animals or anything. Um. 398 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,400 And I And I said to my father that morning, and he's an ex 399 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:15,839 New York cop and definitely not a believer type. I said to him, 400 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,799 did you hear anything weird last night? Yeah? He's like, no, 401 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,640 what are you talking about? I told him what happened and he and he 402 00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:25,759 said something, you know, typical layman kind of responds something like that's probably 403 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:30,799 a deer. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if a 404 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,599 deer ran into the wall of the house in the middle of the night, 405 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:40,359 I am twice. There's so many at this at this force too, at 406 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,079 nine feet in height. There's so many different things that are wrong with that 407 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,880 staatement. First of all, twice was a good, good observation. Yep, 408 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,200 that's a good one. Another one is nine feet Another one is wouldn't 409 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,480 he be unconscious and dead right there right now? Yeah, still laying there 410 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:03,039 right Another one is it was he blind? Um? I mean, there's 411 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:04,839 so many things wrong. And then if you you know, if I probably, 412 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,799 if I probe further, my father he probably would have said that bear. 413 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:12,039 It's you know, almost as stupid, you know, I mean, 414 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:18,200 like a bear who would now be laying there with a shattered arm in his 415 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,480 defense though that's what most people go to, you know, when I think 416 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:26,839 that's one of the reasons big Foot's stayed hidden for so long is because people 417 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,279 are just no offense to your father, very stupid. Whenever it comes to 418 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,279 date or and things out of the ordinary, it's not in there. It's 419 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,880 just not in their realms of possibilities. Not think it must have been a 420 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:45,720 bird, you know, a bird flu and in the middle of and we're 421 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,119 talking about a force that let's just pretend that was you, not a big 422 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,680 foot. Did you did that? Okay, I'm telling you now, your 423 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,400 arm would have been shattered to dust. Yeah, the force this thing hit 424 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,640 it with. Okay, your arm would have been shatter or to dust. 425 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,759 You couldn't have have hit this wall with this kind of force. You could 426 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:10,000 not have done that without being in a major medical problem at that point. 427 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,319 Um, So it wasn't you. And let's and let's and let's just stay 428 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,920 again with the human thing, you know, whatever human that was not only 429 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,119 got severely injured, they also walked up onto a private fifty five acre property, 430 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:29,279 passed chains and fences up a cobblestone road deep into the woods in the 431 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:32,599 middle night, just to smash the wall next to my wife. Brought something 432 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,880 to stand on so they could retire at the wall right right, left, 433 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,279 no trace of themselves. Um, you know, risk being shot. Definitely 434 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:47,920 wouldn't father, Okay, Now I do remember asking my father. You know, 435 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,960 at some point around this time, I just probed further with him. 436 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,480 It was probably after him just coming back to me out. It was probably 437 00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:00,440 after because it was after this incident that I actually got much more into the 438 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,440 Bigfoot topic. I think this incident was what provoked me to like, you 439 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,359 know, take more seriously some of the shows I was watching that point, 440 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,920 the Monster Quest I think, was probably already on, and I think if 441 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,799 I recall, Monster Quest had an incident that reminded me of mine. That 442 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,000 was, you know, banging on the wall of the cabin kind of into 443 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,079 and I remember it conjured up for me, Hey, that's sort of like 444 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,480 what happened to me, you know. So it all of that got me 445 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,680 much more curious and got me more you know, deeply read on the topic. 446 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,920 And then if I recall, I went back to my father like months 447 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,160 later, now more red on it. I asked him more about the property, 448 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,359 like you've never seen anything weird up there, and all kinds of stuff 449 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,279 started coming out in him, like that his dog didn't like being put in 450 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,880 the dog run and left for the afternoon, staying up there by himself. 451 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,440 And the dog wasn't particularly like that, you know, on a island where 452 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,240 they lived most of the time, but upstate in New York, the dog 453 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,079 didn't like being in the run, and like they would leave and dog in 454 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,480 the run like the dog. It seems spooked, you know, spending the 455 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:07,400 day by that, you know, not a great piece of evidence, but 456 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:10,200 when you cumutively put it together with different things, I'm about to add it 457 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:15,000 all starts adding up to a picture. Another one was my father had found 458 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:21,839 several deer with broken back legs that they broke their legs jumping into the cabin, 459 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,599 right yeah, yeah, yeah, broke it but like you know, 460 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:29,440 broke like a broken ankle, back ankle. Hear, like on the on 461 00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,079 the cobblestone road, you know, on the gravel road that leads up to 462 00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:35,559 the house. You know, say, you know, a quarter mile down 463 00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:37,640 the road, but on the property, like he like, he always thought 464 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,079 that was weird and he didn't quite note what to attribute that to. Um. 465 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,279 Another one, this is to me the biggest one was as I got 466 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:52,759 more well read on the topic, I discovered the Whitehall Monster and all the 467 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,440 stories about the Whitehall monster. Well that caused me to map where the hell 468 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,440 Whitehall was, and to my amazement, Whitehall was like a half hour down 469 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:07,200 the road. Really, I mean, as you know, Whitehall has had 470 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:12,039 sighting reports forever, you know, right, well, Whitehall, Whitehall is 471 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,720 the same air. It's like, you know, it's a neighboring town to 472 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:19,319 where I was when this happened into a big foot person. I mean, 473 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:23,960 this sounds like a typical property that has big foot activity going on right right 474 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:29,640 and and and I you know, I told H ended up reporting it to 475 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,000 the b f R before I ever knew Matt. Third invocation mat before I 476 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,799 knew Matt. I reported it to the BFR. Oh this is pre podcast, 477 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,680 you know, pre I'm not in that universe yet, you know where 478 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,759 I know people like him. So I reported it as you know, just 479 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:46,839 a regular person to the b f R, and they ended up calling me 480 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,799 to get the investigator for that region. This guy, I forget his name, 481 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,119 ended up calling me um and he interviewed me for like an hour and 482 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,559 a half on the phone all about it. Like he like he pulled all 483 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,880 kinds of details out of me that like I didn't even you know, think 484 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,279 we're significant or remembered. But but he would ask me questions that caused me 485 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:05,400 to wait a minute, you know what, you're right, that was this 486 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,039 way or for example, he asked me, I remember, asked me if 487 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:10,760 the if the window next to our heads, you know, in the bedroom 488 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,199 if that was open, like if if it was if it was if it 489 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,880 was a screen, there was a screen and it was open where you could 490 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,440 smell us outside, basically is what he was saying, and the answers, 491 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:25,480 yeah, it was. Um another thing he remember, he asked me this 492 00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,400 one. He specifically asked me this one in a call back. He called 493 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,079 me like twice over a couple of days, probably an hour plus in each 494 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,679 call, and I remember this one was the main reason he called me back 495 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,280 the second time. And at the time I was like, this is this 496 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,159 is such a weird universe. And my wife was even more weird about But 497 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,320 the question he called me back to ask me was, was my wife menstruay? 498 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:52,239 Yeah? She was huh. I mean it starts to paint a picture, 499 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,360 doesn't it right now? Now when I later on, you know, 500 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,840 several years later, I'm doing my podcasts and I do start to you know, 501 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:07,639 meet people that are really in this world, um Bobo, Matt and 502 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:15,199 others, and I tell them this story. They start ringing it up absolutely 503 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,920 as a big foot intend And Matt actually went as far as digging into the 504 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:22,119 BFO file since he's the president of the company and he dug into them and 505 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,400 found my report and read it himself, and I think he probably called the 506 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,719 investigator and asked him what his impressions were further impression sport besides what he wrote 507 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,159 in the report, and uh matt ended up telling me personally that he, 508 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,800 you know, he considers it about sighting side, not eyesighting. But but 509 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,679 I think they would call a class B where I didn't see anything but had 510 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,679 you know, it's the best explanation is a big foot, right, yeah? 511 00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:53,519 Um, I mean I countless stories. Whenever I first got involved in 512 00:35:53,599 --> 00:36:00,400 this, it was like probably around nineteen ninety nine, two ISHM and I 513 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,800 started going out into the field in two thousand and one or two thousand and 514 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,639 two, I can't really remember, but I mean one of the first things 515 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:16,960 that you started hearing that was just an extreme commonality was bigfoot smacking the sides 516 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:23,119 of people's houses. Something that stood out about your story to me personally was 517 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,320 all the times I've heard people say that it happened right by their head when 518 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,440 they're laying in bed in their bedroom at night, right And it's you know, 519 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:37,239 really kind of uncanny how the bigfoot knows where you're at inside the room. 520 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,199 And you know which wall to slap and everything. But like you're saying, 521 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,360 you had a window right there that was apparently open, so that would 522 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,679 certainly explain that, right, And and he for a call. It was 523 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,039 like he smashed, you know, just to the right of it, and 524 00:36:54,199 --> 00:37:00,320 it was it was with real force. It was with force that just I 525 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,199 don't care how big of a human we're talking about, they just couldn't have 526 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,760 done this. Even Andre the giant would have been severely injured. His bones 527 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,079 couldn't have taken the amount of force he hit that way, they would have 528 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,079 shattered. I mean, nine feet off the ground. How far away was 529 00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:22,599 the bed from the window close a foot? So I mean, in theory, 530 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,320 this thing could have been standing at the window looking in the window and 531 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,880 just reached over and smacked the wall and was still looking to see if it 532 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,119 woke you up and what your reaction would be, right, which is exactly 533 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:37,360 why I mentioned that. I'm so glad I didn't just take the blinds because 534 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,400 the book these were Venetian blinds. All I had to do was, you 535 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,159 know, just put my two fingers there, like open them. Yeah, 536 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,199 we would have been iq I. And I'm telling you i'd there were not 537 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,000 enough smelling salts. I would still be out right now, still be land 538 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:55,159 there. Yeah, yeah, that would be absolutely terrified. That would have 539 00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:59,920 been a face to face. But I'm also I'm also glad that I didn't 540 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,800 always much about the topic at the time as I do now because I because 541 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,559 if let's say that we're now, let's say that happened yesterday, I would 542 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:14,119 have understood what that was, and I that even without peeking open the blinds, 543 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:15,039 I would have been terrified. Like I would have. I would have 544 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:20,039 ran ten feet to the other side of the room, the other the other 545 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,039 wall, and been like, you know, up against the wall, going 546 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:28,079 oh my god. Yeah, my naive ty helped me in this case because 547 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,360 I didn't understand what is you know, there are inches separating me from this. 548 00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:38,199 A lot of people that have encounters that you know, have an emotional 549 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,480 effect on them, uh, you know. I run across signs of trauma 550 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,800 all the time talking to witnesses, and that's kind of where I tried to 551 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,000 put them back in that mindset. I'm like, hey, think about all 552 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,079 the times before you knew these things were out there, that you were out 553 00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:58,840 in the woods and everything was just fine. You know that you were still 554 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,400 out there. It still exists before you knew they were real. After that 555 00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:06,559 door is opened, though it's hard to shut it. You raised a good 556 00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,239 point here that it never occurs to me, you know, and now you 557 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,119 just said visited. Now it's occurring to me how many times I had been 558 00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:17,719 on that property before that. My father owned that property since the late sixties, 559 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:23,400 and for a long time we had you know, this property, but 560 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,440 he didn't have a house built on it. He bought the property in the 561 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,000 late sixty has been a incredible deal on this property up state in New York, 562 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,400 and he just bought it and it was just a big fifty five acre 563 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,920 property with nothing on it but woods, you know. I remember he would 564 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,360 sell pine trees as Christmas trees. Like we wouldn't stay on the side of 565 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,320 the road and of them. But I mean he let like, you know, 566 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,760 some guy come up there and caught him every year and round him up 567 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,159 and sell him and he would, you know, make some money on Christmas 568 00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,719 trees like that was like one of the little things he had going on from 569 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,920 that property. But we didn't have a house on the property, as a 570 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:04,119 family vacation house until about nineteen eight. Somewhere around nineteen eighty, I remember 571 00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:07,840 the house was constructed. And from nineteen eighty on when we'd go up there, 572 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,280 it wasn't just to like walk around this weird woods we owned with my 573 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,719 father going and the trees are looking big this year, like for no reason, 574 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,920 you know. Um, you know, we weren't even we weren't hunters. 575 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,480 We've just owned woods for no reason. We weren't like we were doing 576 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:27,320 nothing with them at all. We were hunting, We weren't tapping maple syrup. 577 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,519 We weren't I don't know why we own this place until until in nineteen 578 00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:36,679 eighty it suddenly had a vacation home on its plateau. You know. Now 579 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,239 there was like a you know, like a logical reason to come to come 580 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,400 here. We weren't just staying in a motel down the street and looking at 581 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,440 those woods are going a lot of leaves fall in this fall, you know. 582 00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:51,400 Um. And so we would go to this house starting in nineteen eighty 583 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,559 and actually stay in the house on the property overnight, not at a motel 584 00:40:54,599 --> 00:41:00,079 down the street. And that I probably did that dozens of times between nineteen 585 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:05,119 eighty and two thousand and seven and didn't know anything about Bigfoot, didn't you 586 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,960 know. My biggest concern if I was thinking about wildlife sort of stuff, 587 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,719 would have been maybe bears. Maybe even that would be kind of rare upstate 588 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,119 New York. Like you know, black bears aren't as common there as they 589 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:22,000 are saying California. Yeah, so while a bear was totally possible, it 590 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,639 would be a rarity. It wouldn't be a common thing. A hell of 591 00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:27,960 a lot more common with deer that you see a lot, you know, 592 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,519 turkeys, things like that, But those would be the you know, the 593 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,320 quote unquote wild animals I was I was thinking about while I was there anytime 594 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,760 between nineteen eighty and two thousand and seven, wild turkeys, deer, rabbits, 595 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,159 things like that, and never what I've thought about bigfoot. Now when 596 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:49,880 I you know, provoked by what you just said, I'm thinking about all 597 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,639 the times I've been up there, and all the times we might have been 598 00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:58,280 watched, and all the times I might have been within one hundred feet of 599 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,320 a bigfoot, and all the time time that I remember I wandered off at 600 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,760 three o'clock in the afternoon and just walked around the woods by myself because it 601 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,440 was just an unusual place for a New York, you know, city suburban 602 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,119 kid to be upstate New York that that far removed from the city was on 603 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,960 was not typical of my life. So like it was neat to me to 604 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:23,679 like, you know, just walk around the woods, like just be in 605 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,719 the kind of quiet of the woods, you know. And I would wander 606 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,760 off by myself and just walk around and stare and you know, let my 607 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,280 imagination run wild what this is and what that is? Is a twelve year 608 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,880 old and a little did I know I was. I could have been fifty 609 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:44,199 feet from two Bigfoot at any given moment. You know. When I think 610 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,719 back now, based on what you just said and how close a call I 611 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,639 probably had over and over again, it's terrified. I would really be interested 612 00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,400 find I mean there, I know there's no way to do this, but 613 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,360 I wonder if anything took place while they were building the house house, you 614 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:06,360 know, like clearing the land and actually constructing the house, because you hear 615 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,599 about that sometimes in other places, you know, like construction sites getting messed 616 00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:13,679 with. Yeah, there's there's probably no way for me to find out. 617 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,679 I kind of vaguely remember the name of the guy who was involved in the 618 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,400 construction. Um, you know, you know unique name, and I kind 619 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,280 of vaguely remember it. But we're also talking about probably nineteen seventy eight, 620 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,880 seventy nine. Um, I don't I don't know that guy still alive. 621 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,400 Even if he were, I mean, you would be an absolute nutcase. 622 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,480 I can't even imagine that. Now. Yeah, listen, you remember seventy 623 00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:42,320 eight, you build a house in Cambridge, New York. It was on 624 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,480 the corner of blah blah blah blah blah. I don't know, I might 625 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:46,760 have. I've done a lot of stuff, and you know I lived in 626 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,719 Washington. Kind of a whole life stun of seventy eight. Now, yeah, 627 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,519 well do you remember did you find any large foot print? Ye? 628 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,639 Anyone you know moving in those logs when you were you know, you built 629 00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:00,119 a log cavals? Anyone ever picked one up and move on? Like, 630 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:01,559 hey, why did that move? The don't can move that? Yeah, 631 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:07,519 I mean I don't remember a guy named Clem and uh, I mean yeah, 632 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,920 just it would be a really weird conversation, uh with a guy that 633 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,440 I doubted alive. But but but my father is actually the guy For me 634 00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:20,840 to ask you know for any other weird remembrances, and I doubt he has 635 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,960 more for me than what he he ultimately told me, you know, months 636 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:28,239 later. But but those were pretty good ones. A couple of times you 637 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,679 found dead dealer, a broken back leg. Um, yeah, you know, 638 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,920 the dog always being afraid to hang around on the dog run and being 639 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,679 left for the afternoon, which wasn't typical of that dog. The dog generally, 640 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,119 you know, wasn't a skittish dog. Um, those were a couple 641 00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:46,599 of good ones. So is the property still in your family and everything? 642 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,639 Unfortunately it is not. As of only a few years ago, um, 643 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:57,599 maybe four years ago or so, my father sold it to someone else, 644 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,800 and so someone else lives in the house now. I mean, I'm positive 645 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,039 my father could tell me who that is, and I could theoretically get in 646 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,159 contact with that guy. It's not somebody I personally know where ever met, 647 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:09,880 But my father knows who he sold it to, and I'm sure if I 648 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,360 had to get in contact with the guy, I could and ask him if 649 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:20,920 anything word's been going on. But but again, another awkward especially specialized the 650 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,800 fact that I'm pretty sure that he told me he sold it to a judge 651 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,400 as in, you know, criminal or judge who would probably have me locked 652 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,000 up immediately after, you know, soon as I started making these calls. 653 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:36,840 Have you been able to kind of persuade your dad any since that event maybe 654 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:45,639 be open to the idea it's not just that he's just it's not that type. 655 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,039 It's just a certain like you said, it's a it's a certain kind 656 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:55,840 of blindfold and in the human mind that most people are wearing. Yeah. 657 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:04,480 Um, and you know my father is very much of like the type that 658 00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:09,159 you picture having that blindfold on most securely x top that type, you know 659 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:15,400 what I mean? Sure you mentioned another or less significant event. Did that 660 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,119 happen at this property or was it somewhere O? No, No, it's 661 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,880 it was in California, and it's far less significant, but it but I 662 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,280 still find it strange. And I think I did tell Matt this story also, 663 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,000 and he thought this was pretty weird, like he considered it the right 664 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:36,239 place for this sort of thing to happen. I was on a private tour 665 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:45,679 of Yosemite maybe seven eight years ago, and it wasn't dead of winter, 666 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,000 it wasn't a snowy time of year, and I don't remember it necessarily being 667 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,880 anything unusual climate wise. It just kind of kind of an average normal time 668 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,559 of year, like not too hot, not too cold, definitely not snowy. 669 00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,239 So so nothing like that is involved in in what I might have been 670 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,599 seeing or miss seeing. Um. But we were on a private tour and 671 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,639 my wife and I were like in a in a in like this van with 672 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:14,360 a tour guide driver and maybe two other couples that we didn't know that you 673 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,880 know, that we were paired up with on this tour, and it was 674 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:21,880 just the whole day where he drove you around Yosemite to like different the different 675 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,559 highlights of the park, Like here's this I forget what those things are called, 676 00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:28,920 but you know those crazy rock walls people climb and stuff there. Um, 677 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,800 So you know this waterfall and that thing and this thing, and then 678 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,840 uh, at some point we were on one of these high peaks where you're 679 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,400 looking across a valley at one of the other famous you know cliff side rock 680 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:49,920 wall things that these lunatics climb up thousands of peak um, and and we're 681 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,760 just you know at this you know, the photo overlook spot he took us 682 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,880 to where you could take pictures, you know, incredible pictures across the valley 683 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:04,519 at this thing, and the other side was no man's land. It was 684 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,280 it was. It was a sheer rock wall with a flat, you know, 685 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,360 rock face at the top, and maybe some tree line at the very 686 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,679 back of that rock face, probably like I start to estimate, but probably 687 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,719 you know, more than seventy five yards from the edge, you know, 688 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,000 the tree line might start so otherwise, so it's mostly rock, and then 689 00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:30,199 about seventy five yards in the distance of that rock is the beginning of tree 690 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:37,920 line. And I'm looking across and I'm seeing in broad daylight, I'm seeing 691 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:45,159 objects like at the distance where they looked like stick figures, almost like but 692 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,320 tall erect objects, two or three moving changing positions, like one would move 693 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,000 to the right and you know, and then another thing would kind of move 694 00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:59,320 to the left and they'd be standing still, and then like that the different 695 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,079 one would change editions, and I'm like, what is that over there? 696 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:07,320 Like I'm trying to stare squinting in broad daylight at these in the distance stick 697 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,480 figures moving in a place where no humans should be able to be or no 698 00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:15,039 one should be able to get up there. There was no one climbing the 699 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,719 rock face that day. There's no one I'm not even one hundreds in short 700 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,719 that I was looking at a rock face that people do climb. This might 701 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,800 even have been too high, but but it was. It was just weird 702 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,960 that there were things moving over there, and I was I just remember telling 703 00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:30,800 Matt that one and him being like, you know, he seemed to have 704 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,079 a better understanding of the park and where I was talking about, and was 705 00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,840 like, yeah, that that's weird, like nothing should be doing that. 706 00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:40,039 And I also, I do remember that I was really into Bigfoot at that 707 00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:44,320 time. This is a point in time that Yoursemi trip happened during a point 708 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,920 in time where I was really reading a lot, and like every big Foot 709 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,199 book I can get my hands on, I was soaking in and you know, 710 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,239 laying on beach vacations reading you know, people's big Foot stories. That's 711 00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,760 what I'm laying on the beach reading and Kancoon. And during that that whole 712 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:06,679 day, I remember driving the driver crazy was big Foot questions because this guy 713 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,480 drove all day every day in Yosemite all the time, and so like the 714 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,599 whole ride, I'm going like like other people are asking normal questions like they're 715 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:16,920 going, so a lot of hikers get lost out here. I mean, 716 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,000 this is this is way out here in the woods. I mean, you 717 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,599 got a lot of rescues you gotta do. And next guy's going, you 718 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:24,840 got a lot of fire risk out here. I'm in a really fire. 719 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,519 Once you get a fire going up here, there's really no way to put 720 00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:30,159 it out. It's amazing these guys could even put anything out of here. 721 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,280 And I'm going see the big foots around them, and you gotta you know, 722 00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,079 you're having a lot of sasquad. You know, I'm slipping those questions 723 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,519 and left it right throughout this whole day, to the point where the guy 724 00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:45,880 thought I was insane. I think. But at some point, after maybe 725 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:52,039 my tenth question of the day, the guy turned to me quietly and he 726 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,320 said to me, when I was kind of sitting near the front, he 727 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,960 turned to me quietly and he said, I've seen stuff up here. Anyone 728 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:04,599 who's worked up here seeing things? Wow, No, but it was right 729 00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,559 out of like, um, what what's that guy's name? The guy who 730 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:12,639 does the uh the missing hunting hunting people? Um, right out of like 731 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,320 his world, you know, like like because Yosemite is one of those places 732 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:20,360 where that stuff goes on. Yeah, you know, and for sure, 733 00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:23,679 and I think, you know, Bigfoot or not, whether we're talking about 734 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,360 Bigfoot or not. You know, I think Yosemite is the most notorious place 735 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,039 in California for missing people in general. Let's even take the Bigfoot thing out. 736 00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:37,280 I think it's a place where, like, even in even in less 737 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:43,840 um mysterious circumstances, there's a lot of suicides, a lot of um serial 738 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,039 killers, dump bodies, a lot a lot goes on at Yosemite. Yeah, 739 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:52,400 a lot of death. Right. So these figures that you saw, 740 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,639 I mean, I realize that you you know, you're looking at them from 741 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,880 a very far distance and everything. But I mean, are we talking could 742 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,159 you tell if they were like upright on two legs? Were they all kind 743 00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:09,119 of similar in high couldn't make out two legs similar in height? Yes? 744 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,639 And you know it seemed like the like the let's call them lines in the 745 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,400 distance. The line seemed similar in height and seemed upright, narrow lines moving 746 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,639 you know. Um, you know, imagine if you were able to cut 747 00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:29,159 a tree down to you know, from from its thirty feet in height to 748 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,480 you know, a third of its height to ten feet. It would look 749 00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:38,079 to you at a great distance like a like a a narrow brown stick moving 750 00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:43,880 changing places. Yeah, you know, um, that's what it sort of 751 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,440 looked like. And and I couldn't make it any more detail. I just 752 00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:52,519 can tell you that the location, the plateau that we're talking about, nothing 753 00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:57,239 should be up there moving. That's not a place you can get to. 754 00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:00,679 Yeah, I mean, I'm just sitting here kind of thinking. You know, 755 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,679 obviously I don't know the location that you're talking about, but from the 756 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,880 description and everything, I mean, any sort of thing that would be moving 757 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:15,079 would have to be you know, some sort of animal or something obviously, 758 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,159 and uh, an animal at that distance, I mean, I don't think 759 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,760 you'd even see it to begin with. I think that whatever you were seeing 760 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:29,239 would have to be very large for it to even to register and and and 761 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:36,320 had had it had the narrowness that a human or bigfoot kind of figure would 762 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,480 have, it didn't have that that like the stoutness that the four legged animal 763 00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:44,199 would have, you know, and also the types of four legged animals we're 764 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,599 talking about that even I guess could potentially be at those sort of heights, 765 00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:52,760 might be rams or maybe you know, elk or something it was. It 766 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,159 didn't have that. That's not the that's not the return it was giving me. 767 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,679 You know, earlier we were talking about how humans just typically just go 768 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:07,320 to mundane explanations for events that they can't explain out in the woods and you 769 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,599 know, situations like that. But at the same time, I do think 770 00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:16,280 there is something in us that causes us to have things stand out to us 771 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:22,960 whenever it is something weird and unordinary, you know, for it to stand 772 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,800 out that that gut instinct or whatever, I think we should trust it. 773 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,400 And I think this is one of those situations where whatever these things were stood 774 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,159 out to you because you know, something wasn't right about it. And this 775 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,719 was you know, as remote and high a plateau as can be. I 776 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,840 mean, this was this was absolutely for for you or me to be on 777 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:51,360 this plateau, absolutely positively, I'm telling you now involves a helicopter. Yeah, 778 00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:58,400 probably not even then. Probably not even then. I mean yeah, 779 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,280 but I mean it's not trust me, it's not where Charlie, Jim and 780 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:07,920 Steve were moving, right, It wasn't some hikers. Uh yeah, here's 781 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,360 a good selfie off. Let's go up here, right right, have you 782 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:17,239 ran across in your talks with different celebrities, anybody that has a big foot 783 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:22,000 story. Lydia Cornell from Too Close for Comfort an All the eighty show, 784 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:27,400 another one of my teenage posters that came walking into the room. Um, 785 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,360 she said she had a big for incident. And I don't know how I 786 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,320 did this. I wasn't She's in one of the first few episodes of Monstrosity 787 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,960 and I, I don't know. I got distracted. I wasn't on my 788 00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:42,039 game yet hosting my own podcast. But I never came back to it. 789 00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:45,679 I never let it go. The whole episode goes by, and I think 790 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,719 I shelved it. I think I said, like, oh, that's interesting. 791 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,239 I will come back to that, and I didn't. Well, I 792 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,800 mean, maybe you could reach out for a part two, but we've become 793 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,800 we've become a little bit friendly after that. Actually, so like I could 794 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,320 tell st right now, probably while we're doing this interview, gets that's funny, 795 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,800 though, you know, she'd probably find it very strange that a Memorial 796 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:14,119 day, Um, I don't ruined your podcast by revealing with Davis good, 797 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:19,800 You're good. I just she's probably at a strange that at this random time. 798 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:25,000 Uh, this random sort of relaxed to day, I suddenly texted maybe 799 00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:29,880 the first time in six months. I went by the way, uh three 800 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,960 years ago on my podcast. I never got back to this question, what 801 00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:36,519 was your big footage? Like, she's a pretty good chance the cops would 802 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,719 probably be here and I have to talk. I was just out barbecuing with 803 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,440 my family and I thought, you know what, I forgot to ask you 804 00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:47,159 about that bigfoot thing. Yeah, it would be a really unique take on 805 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:54,960 stalking. Hey, maybe that's a new end. Yeah. Um, I 806 00:56:55,079 --> 00:57:00,800 don't remember anyone else having a big foot and said, I do remember her 807 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,800 specifically, she had she had an alien abduction incident that I did follow up 808 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,079 in that episode. She definitely had an incident. Sounded like she was abducted 809 00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:15,559 by aliens. See to me, that's way more terrifying than bigfoot, way 810 00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,480 more. That's they're all. They're all terrifying to me. But yeah, 811 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:21,599 that is terrifying. And she had she was you know, she was like 812 00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:23,480 eleven years old like you. She had to she had a really she had 813 00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:28,159 a good you know what read to me as an alien abduction story, you 814 00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:31,599 know, And I mean it was so nerve wracking hearing it, and she's 815 00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:37,360 so beautiful, and she was such a sex symbol as television story that I 816 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,599 said to her, I said, you know, this story is really disturbing. 817 00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:44,639 You were eleven years old. Everything about about it sounds like an alien 818 00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:45,599 induction to me. I hate to tell you, but I think you're abducted 819 00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:49,360 by aliens. I said, but the story would I gotta say, Lyddie, 820 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:54,280 the story would have been so much hotter if she were twentieth It would 821 00:57:54,280 --> 00:58:00,559 have been great for your career. Yeah, I mean, I like aliens 822 00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:07,400 abducting twenty year old Lydia Cornell is a point better. Yeah, and we 823 00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:14,360 can't really take that any farther. Uh yeah, we're gonna have to sell 824 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,559 that one. I mean, so, what's like the craziest story you've heard 825 00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:22,400 from someone? That was a pretty good one? Um, I'm gonna look, 826 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,119 I'm gonna I'll trigger my own memory out now. I looking at my 827 00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:29,039 own guest list if you look while we're talking, and I'll probably think of 828 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,119 who had a good one. Here we go, my own staring at my 829 00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:37,519 own guest list. Who's been so many? So there's so many celebrities I've 830 00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:39,840 got to remember who who had what? Yeah, flip through the rolodex. 831 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:45,119 All right, I'm looking right now. Well let's see we had now Kenny 832 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:50,719 Baniel from Seinelle had nothing here, Cornelogy gave you okay. Christopher Knife from 833 00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:54,360 the Brady Bunch was another guy that was very like distant from the the whole 834 00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:58,719 paranormal thing. Like he was on the show and I think I had him 835 00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:01,760 on with a locknext monster guy. You know, he asked some interesting science 836 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,039 questions. Christopher Knight seems to be kind of a science see guys, like 837 00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:10,400 a like an engineering mind or something. But he wasn't like particularly into the 838 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,559 paranormal per se, so I don't remember him having an incident. Lonnie Anderson, 839 00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:17,840 I gave you the ghost incident Charadeine with the glass, the broken glass, 840 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:23,000 Catherine Bach had she I remember her telling me that she got a phone 841 00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:29,679 call one time from somebody who had died recently, that they had died like 842 00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:30,760 in the last week or two, and they called her and spoke on the 843 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:36,000 phone. That's also something that you hear a lot in the paranormal world. 844 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,519 I mean, maybe not a lot, but you definitely hear stories of you 845 00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:44,519 know, the phantom phone calls from someone who's recently deceased, So that was 846 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,320 a good one. Let's see. Steve Hackett from Genesis did not have a 847 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,159 paranormal story and ran away from the topic when I brought it up, but 848 00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:54,079 he did. He did tell me that Peter Gabriel, when they were on 849 00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:59,199 tour in the early seventies, used to spend his afternoons walking around the United 850 00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:02,320 States wherever they were were, with a metal detector on and headphones, listening 851 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,480 for coins and stuff, looking for coins on the beach and parks. That 852 01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:08,679 that's what he would do to kill off a day on tour. That's interesting, 853 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,400 which I thought was really interesting. That made Google News actually that that 854 01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:16,840 revelation point. But it would I mean, I know everything there is to 855 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,239 know about Genesis, and I didn't know that one. And that that's and 856 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,119 that's a really unique way bands always talk about, you know, when they're 857 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:27,360 on tour, like they love the gigs, they love the performance, but 858 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,880 they can't stand the travel. They can't stand the flights, the hotels and 859 01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:36,159 all that is tedious to them, you know, And and the whole idea 860 01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:39,760 that Peter Gabriel International Rock Store, Peter Gabriel that's what he was spending his 861 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:45,719 afternoons doing in Kansas. Yeah, walking around looking for coins, you know, 862 01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:50,960 in in in uh Mosquegan. It's just it's it's so hard, it's 863 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,480 it's unreal. The picture all them, that's funny. Peter Gabriel could possibly 864 01:00:54,559 --> 01:01:00,920 own your grandfather's pocket watching. Yeah, I mean, like I think I 865 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,000 said to Steve Hackett, so your roadies were packing, you know, Phil 866 01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:09,519 Collins drums, George guitars, and Peter Gabriel's metal different um um shadows. 867 01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:14,960 Stevens end up telling me that he thinks he worked for aliens, kind of 868 01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:16,599 like he wasn't joking around. He doesn't mean, he doesn't mean like the 869 01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:20,880 cohen Heads, but he meant like a family that he thinks were aliens. 870 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,079 He like he thought it through and he thinks they were not actually earthenings. 871 01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:29,679 He thinks they were they were from a different planet and he had a teenage 872 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,199 job working for them. And he gave the whole detailed story that he feels 873 01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:36,480 he worked for aliens as a teenager. I mean, that's pretty out there. 874 01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:38,360 Yep. I was just gonna say I'd be interested in learning how you 875 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,760 know, the steps that led to that conclusion. That would have been a 876 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,280 wild ride. It's it's a while ago, it's a couple of years ago. 877 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,679 It's in the episode though, definitely The Shadow Stevens episode has that and 878 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,920 him counting down America's top five months. So you know there's a there's a 879 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,840 lot of listening there. Uh, let's see him looking through Audrey Landers. 880 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,079 Then remember Award Batman, Robin, but I don't remember him having an alien 881 01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:06,199 thing. He had a lot to say about dogs though. He was talking 882 01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:09,440 about a dog food that has his name on it, and he claims that 883 01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:15,079 his dog food is so healthy and has such incredible properties to it that he 884 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:22,280 knows of dogs and and has dogs himself that are living over twenty five years 885 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:29,159 because of the high quality Burt Ward dog hold on. So you're telling me 886 01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:36,719 that Robin Boy wonder. Yes, Burt Ward came on your show, yes, 887 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:43,920 and hawked his dog food brand's tremendously. So wow, we talk more 888 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,639 about dogs, We talk more about dog food. Man interviews that I've ever 889 01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:50,760 talked to anyone about a thing they have going on, or to anyone in 890 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,679 the world about dog food. Yeah, But I mean, like like I 891 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,519 always say, whoever it is yeah, anything you want to plug, anything, 892 01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:59,400 want to mention. And nearly every celebrity has like I just did this 893 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,480 film work? Just at that show right, mum about about going tour? 894 01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:07,360 They all have something you know, um and and so usually get the normal 895 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:13,679 amount of plugging from the celebrity, which is par for the course. But 896 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:19,719 Burt Ward had like a half hour of dogs. I wish I wish him 897 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,000 the best of luck with that. I'll have to look into the Burt Ward 898 01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:28,400 brand dog food. And he owns like some gigantic amount of dogs. I 899 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,360 can't remember the number, but it was something insane, like he has like 900 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,599 twenty five dogs. It was some incredible number of dogs. And he's also 901 01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:38,960 into really gigantic dogs, like his dogs are over one hundred fifty pounds that 902 01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:43,760 he can like ride around his property or something like yeah, yeah, he 903 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,239 has like he has like he had some crazy thing. It was something like 904 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,159 he's got, you know, twenty five dogs and none of them are less 905 01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,800 than one fifty or something like all of them are larger than he is. 906 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,119 Yeah yeah, And I said to him, I go, I go, 907 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,840 did you have to buy a separate house? I mean, like, how 908 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,760 are you even functioning. That's why he started his own dog food Brandy. 909 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,440 He had to be able to afford to feed them. And I remember he 910 01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:08,800 was talking about lunch and every day he comes downstairs to the kitchen, it's 911 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,159 a certain time he makes himself a sandwich. I said, you get to 912 01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:15,599 eat that saw like you've got a hundred, one hundred and fifty pounds dollars 913 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,719 everywhere you look. Do you even get right? You got to leave the 914 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:26,000 room with that challenge doesn't seem possible. Um uh. Steve Lucas from Toto, 915 01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:29,320 I don't remember a paranormal thing from him. Richard Klein from Three's Company, 916 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,480 Larry Dallas fun guest, I had him get he got a special phone 917 01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:40,360 call in that episode. I had him get a phone call from Heaven from 918 01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:45,280 mister Unfurly ran a phone called him with all nine connected directly. I have 919 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,440 him mister Unfairly checked in with Richard Klein. It's a very funny phone call. 920 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:55,639 Jody Sweeten from Full House was on She okay, I remember her having 921 01:04:55,679 --> 01:05:01,400 a paranormal story, but I do remember playing a game of f monster Kill 922 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:09,360 with it, where I I gave her choice of different monsters she could marry, 923 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,519 have sex with it, or kill and she played the game with enthusiasm. 924 01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:17,559 The bottom line is is you know squeaky clean Jody Sweeten from Full House, 925 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:23,840 Stephanie Tanner, Yeah, I've ruined her career. Congratulation. Yeah, 926 01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:30,519 she's completely tarnished. Mackenzie Phillips was on. She had a lot of rock 927 01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:32,719 star stories of our call and remember paranormal ones, but she knows tons of 928 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:38,239 rock stars, you know, growing up the daughter of John Phillips and Shell 929 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,320 Phillips was her stepmother, and her whole world was living in Laurel Canyon, 930 01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:45,559 you know, with Crosby Stills in Nash and Paul McCartney coming by the house. 931 01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:49,599 I'm sorry for us non celebs out there. You know. It still 932 01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:53,599 just blows my mind that some people live those lives. Yeah, I mean, 933 01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:57,320 she talked about like being a little kid in the hammock in the backyard 934 01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,960 with Paul McCartney cradling her, and they would fall asleep and take naps and 935 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:03,280 stuff. That's crazy. I don't know, I don't know. I mean, 936 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,880 I get it. You know, people are just people at the end 937 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:11,239 of the day. But whenever your life is like filled with the normal people 938 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,920 in your life just happened to be like historical and prominent celebrities in the world. 939 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,199 Yeah, she You know, she had lots of those stories, but 940 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:23,880 I don't remember paranormal things with her. Adrian's Med from t J. Hooker 941 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,119 Adrians and Med. He had great William Shatter story. Well, I mean 942 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,519 he would have to. I don't think you can know will Shatner and not 943 01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:36,480 have great Will Shatner stories. He had Shatter stories, he had had Locklear 944 01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:43,039 stories, which of course you expect him to have. Don't remember paranormal Oh 945 01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:45,480 you know what he did now? I remember he had a ghost story. 946 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,159 He had a ghost incident while he was doing a play somewhere, and there 947 01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:53,480 was a ghost definitely was. He had some kind of ghost incident while he 948 01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:57,119 was doing a play somewhere. That's I remember he had that. We had 949 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,960 Mr James Murray Murr from Impractical Joe Pakers on the show. Yeah, he's 950 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,679 really into he's really into alien stuff. He writes kids books about Area fifty 951 01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:10,639 one and he just he's really into the alien subject. I don't remember that 952 01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:15,400 he necessarily had an incident, but he's really he loves the topic. Are 953 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,920 there any like bucket list celebrities you'd like to talk to an interview about this 954 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:25,719 stuff. Wow, that's a great question. Uh, bucket list clebrities don't 955 01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:30,199 want talk about the paranormal. I don't know. It's hard to say that 956 01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:33,679 I'd call this a bucket list celebrity. But I just just someone who's coming 957 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:38,679 right to mind, is how I'll answer it. Um, someone I'd like 958 01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:43,559 to talk to. Sammy Hagar. Okay, say, Sammy Hagar is really 959 01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:45,920 into the alien thing. I think he's claimed he claims to have had some 960 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:51,039 UFO incidents. There are Van Halen songs that are they are you know, 961 01:07:51,239 --> 01:07:57,159 the lyrics by him that are clearly alien themed that people don't realize they're you 962 01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,719 know, snapping along and humming along like an alien a hit. You know, 963 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,719 because somebody needs to go back and listen to the lyrics to Van Halen's 964 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,760 Love Walks In which gets tons of radio play for the last thirty years, 965 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,400 but it's it's an alien abduction song. Well now I'm gonna have to go 966 01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:17,640 listen to it after we get off here, and uh put the alien spend 967 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,520 on. You'll listen to it, and you, yeah, you'll listen to 968 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,199 it and you'll You'll know, you'll realize that I've heard the song a million 969 01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:26,960 times. It's, you know, definitely a radio song that you've heard a 970 01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:30,479 lot, and you never stop to think about what's being said, because he 971 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:38,239 cleverly came up with the title love Walks In, and if you listen to 972 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,439 it and read the lyrics, you know, it seems to me that the 973 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,359 word love is just being substituted in as a synonym alien or something nothing. 974 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,640 He went with a generic which sounds like normal boy girl title, but it's 975 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:55,399 not what it is. Huh yeah, I'm gonna have to check that out. 976 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,560 And I know he's on the record that he's you know, he buys 977 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,960 into that kind of stuff. I think he's seen things that he'd be a 978 01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:03,439 good guest to have that that's like, it's not really in this case a 979 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,520 bucket list answer, but somebody i'd like to talk to that, you know, 980 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,319 that would be a good one. Uh. Olivia Diabo, I don't 981 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,920 remember she had a paranormal thing. I do remember that. I think she's 982 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,039 the one that told me that she saw Donovan, the rock star Donovan naked. 983 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:25,279 Uh. Well, that is sort of panormal encounter, right, because 984 01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:30,960 she's the daughter not as not as intensively as McKenzie Phillips. McKenzie's father was 985 01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:33,439 really famous John Phillips. The mom was and pap famous famous you know. 986 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:39,520 Um Olivia Dabo. Her father was Mike Dabo, who was the lead singer 987 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:44,560 of Manford Many but Manford man changed lean lead singers about three times, so 988 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,880 he's really only the singer on one famous song of there from the mid sixties 989 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:51,640 called Mighty Quinn. And then like all the other famous songs people associate with 990 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:56,399 them are other guys. They're like one of those bands, like a faceless 991 01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,920 bands that change members a lot and stuff. But but her there still was 992 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,920 a rock star hung around in the rock were all the London rock world, 993 01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:08,039 you know, and and was the lead singer on a hit single of There's 994 01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:10,479 in the late sixties. So he's certainly like you know, you know, 995 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,079 he knew you were Jimmy andricks Is and people like that, right, and 996 01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:16,960 and that's how and that's why and how she saw Donovan naked. I tell 997 01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:24,760 them with the rock star growing up thing, you know. Uh Saal Rumanick, 998 01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,840 the actor, I joked in the description of the Saal Rumanic episode, 999 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,079 We joked at Saal Rumanik has been in every movie and TV show released since 1000 01:10:31,119 --> 01:10:36,359 nineteen eighty six, because when we were going through his bio trying to figure 1001 01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:39,479 out what things we want to focus in and talk to him about, it 1002 01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:43,840 appears that he's been in everything. He's been in everything. I mean, 1003 01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:47,680 I'm just looking right now on our own little shortened version and these are just 1004 01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,479 some of the things in the shortened version of his bio that I see in 1005 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,640 front of me against all odds, Wall Street, Bonfire of the Vanity's True 1006 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,640 Romance, Unforgiven, Where House thirteen, Frazier, and Curb Your Enthusiasm. 1007 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,119 Yeah, you know, now, let you say it. He is definitely 1008 01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:04,640 one of those actors that seems to be attached to like every single thing, 1009 01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:09,079 right well, when you actually go deep into his you know, his full 1010 01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:14,640 resume, he really is in every single thing all the time. Yeah. 1011 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,720 So, so we described him as having been in every movie TV shows in 1012 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,760 eighty six. That was how we built boarded him. On the episode we 1013 01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:25,520 had Aaron Murphy from Bewitched on Tabitha from Bewitched and this is the first time 1014 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,960 I a little bit broke format I decided don't put her on with the UFO 1015 01:11:29,039 --> 01:11:30,239 person. Don't put her on with a bigfoot person, don't put her on 1016 01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:36,039 with a ghost guy. Put her on with a witch. So I booked 1017 01:11:36,039 --> 01:11:40,159 Tabitha on the show, and I, you know, surprised her by booking 1018 01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:43,840 her with an actual witch as the paranormal guest. Did she was, she 1019 01:11:44,079 --> 01:11:46,119 into it very much, and she was totally surprised. I mean, we 1020 01:11:46,199 --> 01:11:51,159 don't, you know, we don't tell our guests what they're gonna face, 1021 01:11:51,279 --> 01:11:55,279 like so like for example, Jodie Sweden didn't come in no knowing she's gonna 1022 01:11:55,279 --> 01:11:59,880 play a half monster kill it just it just happened to her. Our show 1023 01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:03,680 get our show gets inflicted on you, you know. Um. And and 1024 01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:08,479 Aaron Murphy did not know, you know, if I was going to have 1025 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,000 a UFO person or no other person or ten other people. No idea, 1026 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:15,640 She's no idea what she's walking into except the name of the show and my 1027 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,000 name and things like that. And and I said to her, I have 1028 01:12:18,079 --> 01:12:21,199 a surprise for you, Um, I'm I've been planning this. And she 1029 01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:25,840 got a little clenched a little like, oh, what do you mean you 1030 01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,479 have a surprise for me? Like she didn't know, you know what was 1031 01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,560 gonna have, you know, if a guy was gonna come running to the 1032 01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,760 room in a in a cake until they get to the studio to tell them 1033 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:39,159 that yes, yes, yeah, everything happens on Mike. It's all all 1034 01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:44,279 unfolding for your eyears. And and I told her, you know, your 1035 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,399 Tabitha from Bewitch, and you grew up playing a witch and you grew up 1036 01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,560 in the whole witch world, and I've decided to have you on with an 1037 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,199 actual witch meets you know. And I introduced her to the to the which 1038 01:12:54,279 --> 01:12:57,800 we booked. And I can tell you one thing. Booking that episode, 1039 01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,119 my sister and I had a hard time booking it because we you know, 1040 01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:03,880 we were trying to find a good reliable which you know, somebody who do 1041 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:09,199 can be on time, someone who had a good yelp rating. Yeah, 1042 01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:14,199 we exactly. We wanted a good yelp rating on time, uh, punctual 1043 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,520 punctual which yeah, a punctual which which which was a sense of humor that 1044 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:23,199 we that wouldn't like at some point turn on me and maybe cast a spell 1045 01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:29,319 on something right right. That was a true concern of mine, legitimate concern. 1046 01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:30,840 I was actually worried that what if I pissed off this witch like this 1047 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:35,920 could become a problem making sure they laugh at every joke, right, I 1048 01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:42,560 wonder which they can roll with the punches, you know. And this was 1049 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,720 not an easy task. You know. We spent a few weeks looking through 1050 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:50,760 the online witches and um, you know, trying to kind of find you 1051 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:56,439 know, which that met all the different criteria. And we did really well. 1052 01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,640 We hit the jackpot like our which was was was fun and funny and 1053 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,279 lie and you know, you know, giggled along and played, played, 1054 01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,680 played the jokes and like, I haven't felt like my world's gone awry since 1055 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:11,199 then, so she must not cast any negative spells and everything's been fine. 1056 01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,279 But it was a real concern. And another thing that was really consistent when 1057 01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,000 we were looking for a witch was almost all the witches out there there were 1058 01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:23,279 potentially available, like you know, the media savvy witches, right, okay, 1059 01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:26,039 the ones that were like that had done interviews and like we felt like, 1060 01:14:26,079 --> 01:14:29,039 you know, can handle them, have a good Instagram following, Yeah, 1061 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,720 right, exactly, exactly, Okay. Most of those witches were quite 1062 01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:41,000 X rated. It was unbelievable the amount of overlap between witching and X rated. 1063 01:14:41,279 --> 01:14:44,479 Wow, would you ever have known that? I would never It's certainly 1064 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:48,720 not the stereotype that you grow up thinking about whenever it comes to witches. 1065 01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:53,199 Yeah, it was constant. It was like, this was always like the 1066 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,880 impediment, Like I would go, this witch looks greenie. She really doesn't 1067 01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,279 have any clothing, she barely owns anything. I mean, I know sex 1068 01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:03,359 magic is a thing. I know that's like, you know, a category 1069 01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:09,880 of witchcraft if I mean, I could be completely off base with this, 1070 01:15:10,119 --> 01:15:13,119 but I'm pretty sure it's a thing. Well, I ended up settling on 1071 01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:15,439 a witch that, you know, the hat a frock and the and the 1072 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,279 colne hat and everything. You know, sure, sure, and and and 1073 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,600 you know she was light and and and and it was very reverential about being 1074 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,119 on with Tabitha, like because we didn't. The other side of that is 1075 01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:30,680 that we don't tell We never tell our parent normal guests who they're gonna be 1076 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,880 on with either. We like the the spontaneous surprise all the way around, 1077 01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:40,600 the full circle surprise. Yeah, okay, so everybody's always surprised on the 1078 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,359 show, like, you know, whether it's Aaron Murphy didn't know she's gonna 1079 01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:45,640 be on a with a witch, and the witch doesn't know she's gonna be 1080 01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,279 on with Aaron Murphy. Every we want, the whole. Everybody's surprised is 1081 01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:53,119 what we want. And so the witch was thrilled. I mean she was. 1082 01:15:53,239 --> 01:15:56,319 She was like, oh my god, Tabittha like I grew up well 1083 01:15:56,359 --> 01:15:59,479 actually, like like every just everyone was over the move. You know. 1084 01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:08,000 By the way, Tabitha from Bewitched, I discovered in my research that you 1085 01:16:08,079 --> 01:16:11,439 know, in her teens or early twenties whatever, she was a hanged ten 1086 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,880 bikini model. I could not and I could not find any pictures of this 1087 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,199 anywhere. And I and I said to her, I go, you know, 1088 01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:19,600 I've discovered you or hanged ten bikini we She goes, wow, you 1089 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,840 did your research. I said yeah, I said, but I'll tell you 1090 01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:26,000 something else I did. I can't find any pictures of you as a hang 1091 01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:28,239 ten bikini model. They don't exist. She goes, oh, they're out 1092 01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:30,520 there. I go, they're not out there. I've been everywhere, and 1093 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:31,720 if anyone would have found him, it's me. She goes, I have 1094 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,039 him. I said, well, you need to bring him to me. 1095 01:16:33,119 --> 01:16:38,159 She goes, no, I'm noting. She was holding tight onto those Hang 1096 01:16:38,279 --> 01:16:41,760 ten bikini pictures. But if someone could find those and send them to us, 1097 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,039 we'd love to see them. Also Natasha Henstridge, she was on de 1098 01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:49,319 chieve a paranormal Thing species, Natasha Henstridge, I don't remember a paranormal thing. 1099 01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:54,039 John Anderson from Yes Okay, he's on the most recent episode. He 1100 01:16:54,199 --> 01:17:00,600 had a really weird one. He claims to have met aliens backstay at a 1101 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,199 Frank Sinatra concert. Yep, that's one of the weird one of the weirdest 1102 01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:09,439 sentences you'll ever hear someone else. Yeah, for sure, Like uh yes, 1103 01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:14,800 like he was introduced to a group of aliens that were special guests of 1104 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,640 Frank's or he told he tells the story on the show, but it was 1105 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:25,039 more, it was more, it was it was more, um, it 1106 01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:27,680 was a little more cryptic, like more John Anderson e than that. He's 1107 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,640 he's a real like spiritual, you know, like like floating above kind of 1108 01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,479 guys. He's one of those you know, he's a real, real like 1109 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:41,560 metaphysical you know, um, like a Yannie you know character, like one 1110 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,640 of those kind of tea yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he 1111 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,159 tells the story and that John Anderson anyway, you know, but with but 1112 01:17:48,319 --> 01:17:53,880 with real authenticity, like he like he seems to surely believe this is what 1113 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,399 happened. I mean, I'm gonna have to check that out. I got 1114 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,399 to hear that story. That's a lot of the way it goes with paranormal 1115 01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:09,920 events, though. It's you know, regardless of whether the listener or whoever 1116 01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:14,640 hearing the story believes they or not, the person the experiencer believes it happened, 1117 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,319 and that makes it real for them, you know, yes, and 1118 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:24,760 and and yeah. I can't even do justice to John's story. It's I 1119 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,319 can't explain his story. Only he can. It's a it's a it's an 1120 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,119 unusual story out of all the different things out there. I mean, you've 1121 01:18:31,159 --> 01:18:36,239 got the Lockness Monster and stuff. But why do you think Bigfoot has kind 1122 01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:42,479 of become so popular in pop culture and advertising. I mean, you just 1123 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:47,279 see Bigfoot everywhere. What's our fascination with Bigfoot? That's another great question. 1124 01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:57,479 It's for me personally, I find the whole Bigfoot mystery and the whole Bigfoot 1125 01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:02,119 you know, the Bigfoot themed programming on television to me is the most compelling, 1126 01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:06,319 it's the most interesting. Um and that that may just be where I'm 1127 01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:09,199 at and the next guy listening to this, Mico, No, but I 1128 01:19:09,279 --> 01:19:13,239 like the UFO shows better and those are good too. But like Bigfoot Bigfoot, 1129 01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:17,279 for example, let's say versus Lockdest Monster both interesting, but Bigfoot's some 1130 01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:25,840 more interesting TV subject. It's it's it's more interesting to watch a documentary crew 1131 01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:30,359 hunt in the woods, on the ground, in the on the tangible ground, 1132 01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:34,960 feet on the ground, in an area that's a known Bigfoot hot spot, 1133 01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:40,680 you know, where there's eyewitness reports of this or that. It's much 1134 01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,840 more interesting, is much more edgy your seat interesting to watch that unfollowed on 1135 01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:49,960 television than you know, a lockdest Monster or Ogo Pogo or Champ hunt in 1136 01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:54,479 a lake. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, that does. 1137 01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,840 I don't know. I'm not sure why it's but it is. It just 1138 01:19:59,079 --> 01:20:05,279 is um And maybe in the United States, Bigfoot is also a bigger deal 1139 01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:12,520 because it's here. It's it's it's it's people can relate to that it's right 1140 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,119 here, like lockness monsters a world away, even though you and I both 1141 01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:19,159 know the topic enough to know there are plenty of lake monsters in North America 1142 01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:23,239 too, but they're not as famous, you know, og pogo something that 1143 01:20:23,279 --> 01:20:26,560 you and I know what that means, but that's very obscure terminology to the 1144 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,840 link. Yeah, lake monsters are very regional, right and and and except 1145 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,760 for Lockness Monster, they're all pretty obscure to the average person. Yeah, 1146 01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:41,439 okay, So if you bring up Champ to the guy at your grocery store 1147 01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:43,880 tomorrow, he'll be like, what, I never heard a channel. I'll 1148 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,520 think you're talking about Mike Tyson or something. You know. Um, if 1149 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,359 you bring up Lockness Monster to the guy at your grocery store, he's heard 1150 01:20:49,399 --> 01:20:54,439 of that. That's internationally famous, but it's also a world away to him. 1151 01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:59,159 It's over there in Scotland. Like he he doesn't, he doesn't give 1152 01:20:59,239 --> 01:21:02,600 that buck thought it. It's not. It doesn't pique his curiosity or creep 1153 01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,479 him out as much because it feels so removed from his universe. Yeah, 1154 01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:13,039 Bigfoot feels feels very North American, and the average person United States, I 1155 01:21:13,079 --> 01:21:15,960 think, feels very connected to that phenomena. They either have seen it. 1156 01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:21,640 No, somebody who've seen it feel they live near enough to to an area 1157 01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,720 that they could see it. Um, you know, that could happen in 1158 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,279 any moment happen to night in the way home from the movies. You know 1159 01:21:28,399 --> 01:21:33,960 they're there. It's very within the grip of people here in this country. 1160 01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:43,960 Have you ever had any paranormal experiences? Ghosts or anything like that? Not 1161 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,079 so much ghost that I am. You know, I've been confident saying to 1162 01:21:48,119 --> 01:21:51,840 you I think that was a ghost. Little little things, but not something 1163 01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:58,439 i'd confidently tell you UFO. Yeah, I had what I'm pretty sure was 1164 01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:04,560 the US in LA by six years ago. I was driving, and I 1165 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:09,680 always like when I tell this story, I always like um sort of really 1166 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,319 orienting the listener to where I was. So they consider at home and play 1167 01:22:13,359 --> 01:22:16,079 along with this story. Using their Google Maps, they can street for you 1168 01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:19,319 and actually take this car ride with me and look at the sky and see 1169 01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:23,119 what I was seeing. So for those of you playing at home and giving 1170 01:22:23,119 --> 01:22:28,520 you a second, open your Google Maps. I was driving on Victory Boulevard 1171 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:34,720 in Los Angeles through Van Nuys, headed eastbound towards Burbank. So that actually 1172 01:22:35,279 --> 01:22:40,560 helped the guy right now at home with this cursor. So I'm driving eastbound 1173 01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:45,119 on Victory. I approach the corner of Victory and Supulvita Boulevard in Los Angeles. 1174 01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:49,920 This is in the Van Nuys area of Los Angeles, and I'm heading 1175 01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,960 to like a TV meeting or something, you know, in Burbank and I 1176 01:22:54,359 --> 01:22:59,680 and I in the distance in the due east sky what appears to me to 1177 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,920 be like above Burbank basically, you know, which would be probably another twenty 1178 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:09,640 minutes. Driving in front of me to east, I'm seeing little glinting objects 1179 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:15,000 in the sky, very high up in the sky, silver objects. They 1180 01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:17,840 look very very high up, maybe a half dozen of them, moving around 1181 01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,439 each other, changing positions. One goes to the right, one goes to 1182 01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:25,119 the left, one moves up down sideways, another one goes around this way. 1183 01:23:25,119 --> 01:23:28,800 They're just kind of moving around each other at what looks like a tremendous 1184 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,039 height and staying in the same general little area of the sky. And I'm 1185 01:23:33,079 --> 01:23:35,439 like, what the hell is that? This is broad daylight in a sunny 1186 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,720 afternoon, you know. And I'm like, how is that, you know? 1187 01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:44,039 And it's I'm watching it through the whole light cycle. It's a long 1188 01:23:44,119 --> 01:23:45,960 light cycle at that corners. I'm watching probably for a few minutes, thinking 1189 01:23:46,039 --> 01:23:50,199 this is so weird. I gotta pull over and watch this so I make 1190 01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:54,840 a right turn onto Sepulvida, and I pull in to a parking lot a 1191 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,520 block or so away in front of like a paint like a house, paint 1192 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,079 story, like a story you're buy you know, paint to pay your house. 1193 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,159 Um, so the guy falling on along on street view right now is 1194 01:24:04,199 --> 01:24:08,479 probably seeing this paint store. I remember which paint you know, whatever they're 1195 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:12,239 called. I forget what the paints are called, but whatever paint brand that 1196 01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,000 was, you'll see there's a paint store there. And after I made that 1197 01:24:15,119 --> 01:24:18,159 right onto Sapolvida, I pulled into that parking lot and I parked my car 1198 01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:21,840 facing due east, and I'm still just watching watching this go on. I'm 1199 01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,920 thinking, like, I want to watch this a little longer and see if 1200 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:30,279 they reveal themselves to me as not what I think it is, or it 1201 01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,159 clearly becomes looking a little helium balloons or something to fly nearer to me and 1202 01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:35,279 I know what it is, and I can just you know, get on 1203 01:24:35,399 --> 01:24:39,560 one by day. I end up watching another few minutes. I called my 1204 01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:43,920 wife teller when I'm watching, and and then both of us look looking at 1205 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,199 the clock, realized I need to get going, like you know, I've 1206 01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:47,600 got to be at a meeting, like a two fifteen or something, and 1207 01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,399 it's you know, it's one forty five, that sort of thing. So 1208 01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:55,239 I'm like, I better just keep driving east, and you know, I'll 1209 01:24:55,279 --> 01:24:58,039 just keep watching as I drive. I'm still heading the right direction to you 1210 01:24:58,079 --> 01:25:00,920 know, I'm heading in the direction it's in. But once I was moving 1211 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,880 again, and I was a few blocks away from where I was and moving, 1212 01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:09,760 I lost sight of it. I don't know if it stopped existing or 1213 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:14,479 it was just difficult to keep my eyes spotting where it was any longer. 1214 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,880 As as my position changed slightly, and the tree line and things start coming 1215 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,600 in here and there. The bottom line is within a few blocks, I 1216 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,479 no longer be able to keep my eyes on this thing. And it's either 1217 01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:29,560 gone or or I can't find anymore. And that ended it. But later 1218 01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,680 on I ended up looking on YouTube at you have vons and it's and I'd 1219 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:39,239 used, you know, words that described what I was seeing, like small, 1220 01:25:40,319 --> 01:25:45,960 very small silver objects moving around each other, tremendous height like you very 1221 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,479 very seemed very very high up in the air. I used like terminology that 1222 01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,399 would maybe try to pull up something similar to what I've seen. I think 1223 01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:57,119 I was even typing burbank in LA and the date into my searches, hoping 1224 01:25:57,159 --> 01:26:00,800 that someone else films what I saw. I did not find anyone else had 1225 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,479 filmed what I saw, but I found numerous people had filmed UFO incidents just 1226 01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:12,000 like what I saw. That what I saw was a like kind of recurring, 1227 01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:19,319 pretty common UFO sighting in general. I know somebody personally that filmed something. 1228 01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:27,600 I mean, we argued extensively about it, just because I'm from the 1229 01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,760 perspective of, well, I wasn't there. I here are some possibilities. 1230 01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,600 I mean, I don't know. Maybe you know, it was an optical 1231 01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:43,000 illusion. But she's in the Connecticut area and she filmed something that sounds very 1232 01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:47,199 similar to what you're describing. And it was also during daylight hours. She 1233 01:26:47,399 --> 01:26:51,199 filmed it with her you know, cell phone, and I don't know, 1234 01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:56,079 I don't have you know, I can't say that it was a UFO. 1235 01:26:56,199 --> 01:26:59,560 I can't say that, you know, it's not. Maybe it's a an 1236 01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,359 end act or something flying closer to the camera and it just looks like it's 1237 01:27:02,399 --> 01:27:05,800 farther away or something. It was too many, it was too many objects 1238 01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:10,359 there were silver glinting. It was one of those peak La days, like 1239 01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:15,600 not a cloud in the sky, sunshine days, and so nothing was obscuring 1240 01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,039 it. It wasn't like ducking behind clouds and then appearing to me again. 1241 01:27:18,039 --> 01:27:23,960 It was in a cloudless, sunny sky, you know, and it was 1242 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:29,920 it was. It was just like things I'd then seen on YouTube when I 1243 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,880 went looking for similar insince I saw stuff that looked just like what I saw. 1244 01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:38,039 So weird, so weird. I mean, especially, you know, 1245 01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:43,800 with all the UFO stuff going on, all the quote unquote disclosure process happening, 1246 01:27:44,079 --> 01:27:48,439 and the government acknowledging them and looking into it officially, at least publicly. 1247 01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:53,039 I mean, yeah, that's that's getting really weird. I remember a 1248 01:27:53,079 --> 01:27:56,319 friend of mine in the nineties. I had a friend who was really into 1249 01:27:56,399 --> 01:27:58,680 this topic, and we talked about this stuff all the time until the wee 1250 01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,640 hours. And this is like when X files with a hit show, and 1251 01:28:02,359 --> 01:28:05,800 um, there were certain shows that were already on TV that were on this 1252 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,479 topic. I mean, for as long as you and I have been watching 1253 01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,800 television, there's been things like in Search of and stuff like that, but 1254 01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,399 there weren't there weren't as many shows, there weren't a whole networks dedicated to 1255 01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,279 it. Is like like there is now, you know, um, but 1256 01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,680 but at the time there were some stuff. And I remember he used to 1257 01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:27,800 always say to me, they're getting us ready. They are, They're prepping 1258 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,800 us, they are. There's it's clear that, you know, with things 1259 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:36,680 like The X Files becoming a network, mainstream hit television show, that there's 1260 01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:42,319 some kind of an agenda to condition us and get us ready for the reveal, 1261 01:28:42,399 --> 01:28:46,319 to prepare us to be able to handle the reveal. And it always 1262 01:28:46,359 --> 01:28:49,199 sticks with me. Now with all the stuff that you're starting to seek them 1263 01:28:49,239 --> 01:28:54,159 out in official channels now that he may have been right like and that like 1264 01:28:54,399 --> 01:28:58,800 now it's really starting to look like they've up the empty with that. Yeah, 1265 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,640 they've kind of moved from the fictional world to the non fictional world, 1266 01:29:03,239 --> 01:29:06,199 you know, and right they're not letting it and not letting it stay just 1267 01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:11,680 in the in Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters world and in and in you know, 1268 01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,479 documentaries on Travel Channel. There now they're they're going. Also, by the 1269 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,279 way, here's some footage the Navy shot. Here's a new thing. The 1270 01:29:18,399 --> 01:29:24,039 Army just got gout their hands on and they're releasing it in official ways that 1271 01:29:24,199 --> 01:29:29,880 that you know they're they're they're shooting down things, and we're watching entire weekends 1272 01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,640 of news coverage about something they shot down this weekend. Yeah, that that's 1273 01:29:34,199 --> 01:29:39,680 that's remarkable. This sort of thing always kind of pauses me in my tracks 1274 01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,039 because I mean, I don't, like I said, this sort of thing 1275 01:29:43,279 --> 01:29:45,920 terrifies me. I don't know why it bothers me so much more than the 1276 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:51,800 other categories of the unexplained or whatever. But the alien stuff, I mean, 1277 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:59,039 are they are? Are we going to see contact in our lifetimes? 1278 01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:01,279 I mean, is this something? It's sure as hell it's starting to seem 1279 01:30:01,359 --> 01:30:04,600 like it. It's sure as hell's starting to seem like it. The the 1280 01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:09,760 other thing I'm remembering now, back to that house my father had to Upstate 1281 01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:15,640 New York, is that that area was a known UFO hotbed, that area 1282 01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:20,399 of upstate, and that I do recall, even in the eighties as a 1283 01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:25,920 teenager, being aware of Like I may not have been aware of it, 1284 01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:29,479 you know that this is a bigfoot area. I had no idea of the 1285 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,199 Whitehall Monster, never heard of that would never even at that time if you 1286 01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:39,239 asked a teenage me in nineteen eighty seven, you know what I know about 1287 01:30:39,239 --> 01:30:42,720 Bigfoot? I would have said that, isn't that like a Pacific Northwest thing. 1288 01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,079 I wouldn't have understood that like Bigfoot, they're Bigfoot, and since all 1289 01:30:45,079 --> 01:30:48,279 over the country that you could be in Ohio or Michigan, Wisconsin, I 1290 01:30:48,319 --> 01:30:53,479 would never understand any of that. So so certainly I didn't stand around Upstate 1291 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:57,000 New York as a teenager thinking about, like, there's big foots up here, 1292 01:30:57,039 --> 01:31:00,640 like I didn't seem like in the realms ofility, but UFOs I was 1293 01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:04,319 aware of that. I knew that that area is known for UFO incidents. 1294 01:31:04,359 --> 01:31:10,720 And I definitely, you know, at seventeen, could have been standing on 1295 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:15,239 my father's upstate balcony, you know, worried about the clearness of this sky 1296 01:31:15,399 --> 01:31:20,600 up here and the isolation up here and an alien ins and up there would 1297 01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:26,159 have been the kind of thing in my scary day dreams. Yeah, well, 1298 01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:30,119 David, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing some of your 1299 01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:35,079 stories with me and everything. Where can people find you, sir? Monstrosity 1300 01:31:35,159 --> 01:31:40,159 podcast dot com is the main website for the show, and it's ket of 1301 01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,640 you know, all the places that you can find everything about this show. 1302 01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:47,359 And there's even now a link on Monstrosity to go and collect for yourself all 1303 01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:50,840 of the old episodes of comedians talking about Bigfoot. We've stuck them on the 1304 01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:56,119 Monstrosity Patreon since they were no longer in the public domain, so you know, 1305 01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:59,560 the original podcast is accessful up there, as well as all the merchant 1306 01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,119 stuff and our social media, so all that's there, and then David Race 1307 01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:09,279 dot com has all this stuff more and you know in my career directly. 1308 01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:14,439 All right, thanks a lot, And if you've had an experience with the 1309 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,079 unexplained, something you can't quite figure out. Was it Bigfoot? Was it 1310 01:32:17,119 --> 01:32:21,520 a ghost? Was it an alien abduction? Email me at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail 1311 01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:26,720 dot com. Check out Bigfootcrossroads dot com. All the links to the social 1312 01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:30,600 media, merch everything you need, all in one place. And until next 1313 01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:31,800 time, I remember there's something in the woods.