1 00:00:16,359 --> 00:00:19,120 So the next uh, And I see everyone's questions. I favorite some of 2 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,079 them. We're gonna get to the teams like the captain the Bulls, don't 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:27,199 worry Kevin marsh Wiseman in Detroit is interesting. Sadiq Bay to Atlanta. What 4 00:00:27,239 --> 00:00:31,160 did you make of that stat series of events? The Warriors getting back GP 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,679 two? So many second round picks that I didn't even have the details of 6 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:39,079 in the moment, like the exact you know, protections and years on them 7 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:42,600 that we're moving around. What did you make of the start with the Warrior's 8 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,920 perspectives? I think that's the biggest one. You they saved all this luxury 9 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,000 attack money for next season. Mostly they only saved like seven million luxury tax 10 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:52,039 this year. I think it's twenty five or twenty four million next year. 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,640 What did you make of what happened there? Yeah, I think I think 12 00:00:59,679 --> 00:01:03,920 it's complicated. Like I love just as a fan, and I like, 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,879 I love the team, and I loved Gary Payton last year, so that 14 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,439 the fact that he's back is awesome, Like he gives me the feels. 15 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,359 I think that's a that's a fun thing. And he like he's gonna make 16 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,000 them better. He understands how to play in the system, all that stuff. 17 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:19,040 Just fucking resign the guy last offseason, so then you're not having you 18 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,200 know, like that's and they could have done it. They had his early 19 00:01:21,239 --> 00:01:23,719 bird rights he ended up getting. He ended up going to Portland for less 20 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:26,920 than the Warriors could have paid him had they wanted to keep him. I 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,920 get all the tax stuff. I get that. It certainly sounds like, 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,159 based on some Warriors Twitter research, like this was very much Bob Myers finally 23 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,959 convincing Joe Lacob that Wiseman ain't it and even tell him I'm convinced he went 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,599 rogue, and then lacopad out on Twitter, and I think maybe there's some 25 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,280 that rings a little bit true to me. So it may not have been 26 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,560 the case that they could have. Maybe that may have been ownership saying you 27 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:53,599 cannot bring back Gary Payton at this number just because the tax is so exorbitant. 28 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,480 So from the Warriors side, like it's a real concession, it's an 29 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,359 admission of failure. It's an admission that James Wiseman was not going to be 30 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:07,280 helpful in the timeline that mattered to them, and Peyton is gonna help so 31 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,719 fine for Detroit. It seems like people are down on this, but like 32 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,520 with where the Pistons are and FK Retro, it's a terrible move for the 33 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:21,879 Pistons, Like why why don't you want a number two pick that was buried 34 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,639 on a bench and never given a chance like to learn on the fly because 35 00:02:24,759 --> 00:02:29,199 the team was trying to win championships like and the end was hurt, Like 36 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,039 why don't you want like one, like an A plus athlete that's seven foot 37 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,319 one like like Pistons like or Pistons fans, like where do you think your 38 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:42,759 team is? Exactly? Like this is this is exactly the guy you should 39 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:45,080 be taking a shot on. I don't care if you have I don't care 40 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,439 if you have a whole roster full of centers, Like this is a guy 41 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:50,759 you need to get a look at because the upside is still what it is, 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,840 which is this guy's a freak athlete that might be really good in like 43 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,919 three years and yeah, Pistons, you can wait that long. Like that's 44 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,520 this So I'm shitting the Pistons in a way, but it's mostly because like 45 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,159 you should love this, like this should this should be the type of guy 46 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:09,439 you want any team that's rebuilding should be going after someone like Wiseman. I 47 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:13,840 mean, as bad as he's looked, I still feel that way. I 48 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:16,319 just there they want to play him with Durn or start him, which is 49 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:20,919 weird. Maybe they're just concerned about Durn's foul trouble. I get the upside 50 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,439 play. I just like, what are we doing here with Marvin Bagley and 51 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:29,319 Isaiah Stewart and Barren and James Wiseman and so I don't you know, as 52 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,560 M Stevens nine one two says, I love it for the Pistons bilow improof 53 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,479 stock trade asset next year or resigning a discount, how many people probably felt 54 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,080 that way about Marvin Bagley. I'm looking with that deal turn into after he 55 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:44,000 stood out for them, not this guy, not me. I mean, 56 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,960 Bagley was a terrible move. That doesn't mean you can't go get go, 57 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,360 make it a good one. I agree, But it was also just like, 58 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,280 so you were that out on sad not you, but the Pistons were 59 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:54,599 that out on Sadick Bay, which I kind of get watching him this year, 60 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,599 and it got to a point where he just never felt as plugin play 61 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:01,039 as he should be on offense. Yet his defense kind of outstripped his defense. 62 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,599 And so what I do like about this and we see, uh, 63 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,439 you know, Brett Burnett says Piston shouldn't move Bowyon Bogdanovitch for more picks. 64 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,199 He also says that they should have you know, added to that, hang 65 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,040 on to bowieon Bodonovitch seems weird. What I will say is, if you 66 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:20,160 are gonna have Wiseman and Durhan and then even like Jade and Ivy and Killian 67 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:25,199 Hayes to some extent, I get why you keep Alec Burks and Bowyon Bogdanovitch. 68 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,040 And so when we're talking about the realm of teams that maybe should have 69 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,439 done more, if you're you're gonna have cap space this year, still, 70 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,360 I think there will be an urgency to win games for better or worse. 71 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:39,240 As long as you're not doing anything impulsive or overly expensive, why not like 72 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:42,879 keep the shooting around a healthy Kade, Ivy, Killian Hayes and then these 73 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,879 like triple big lineups that I guess you're gonna run out or whatever. And 74 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,959 so I get why Bogdonovitch will be important to kind of if you want to 75 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,399 run a bunch of pick and Roll with John Duran and James Watson, Like, 76 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:54,279 yeah, you space the space the hell out of four around those guys, 77 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,000 And so I don't mind them keeping Bodonovitch. We don't know what the 78 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:59,600 offers where. I mean, look at what look at what these other non 79 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,879 stars went for. There was no like the Lakers gave up that twenty twenty 80 00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:06,439 seven pick. It was protected, expired immediately, and like you got backed 81 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:11,439 Beasley and Vanderbilt and Dianzel Russell as part of that deal. And for everything 82 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,639 we were seeing is the Pistons wanted unprotected first for Boyan. They probably didn't 83 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:18,000 even have that on the table, and if they did, it was probably 84 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,680 just one that was going to be in the bottom five anyway. So I 85 00:05:21,079 --> 00:05:25,560 get that he will never be more valuable than he is right now. That 86 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,959 value just might not have been like there. So I'm I'm fine with it. 87 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,279 I just don't understand what's going to happen in the front court with Detroit 88 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:38,839 moving, Folk moving. I'm surprised. I did a buy yourself for br 89 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,360 the other day, and one of the rumors was, you know, the 90 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:46,120 Pistons basically, you know, they don't want to trade him. They are 91 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,519 still having these crazy offers, and I sold it. I was like, 92 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,959 someone is gonna come along. This is before, this is back, this 93 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,680 is back in the ancient days of like Tuesday, when we when we were 94 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,120 like, well, this deadline is not a war years timelines ago? Is 95 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:03,240 that three so many? I mean, well you're measuring it in light years 96 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,439 for starters, so that's like really more of a distance thing than that time. 97 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,160 But I thought like someone's gonna offer the first because there's so many teams 98 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,040 that Boyan could fit on and they'll trade him, like this is all just 99 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,759 really good posturing by Detroit. Turns out no, I really think, I 100 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,399 really think the offers weren't there. And that's that's surprising because if there was 101 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:28,560 a good unprotected first, like you gotta move that guy, I mean, 102 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,839 I just him on the Grizzlies instead of Canard, but they probably were pmorro 103 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:36,360 clatching your picks would be yeah right, So I just I'm surprised. I 104 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:40,600 mean, there were several teams that didn't didn't do what we expected them to 105 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:43,759 do. The Pistons certainly aren't the most prominent one. You know, Toronto 106 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,120 takes that cake. But this is I think It's how you want a rebuilding 107 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,600 team to act. Though I don't think the move isn't bad unless you were 108 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,079 really high on Sadiq Bay. You didn't give up. He has another year 109 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,279 left on his rookie scale. But why has been just like the sheer upside 110 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,319 play? And when have we ever seen like, when's the last person who 111 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:02,360 had that blend of physical tools outright fail? I mean, I mean health 112 00:07:02,439 --> 00:07:05,600 is a different story. But if you're healthy and had that like meld the 113 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,240 physical tools, when's the last one that we said, like, when's the 114 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:14,560 last guy in that vein who just failed and wasn't complete flop? I mean 115 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:17,720 to me, I think the I think the definitive, the right, the 116 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:23,639 fair take on Wiseman is I think the upside is very much still there, 117 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,959 which is like this is a guy where maybe you know, six years from 118 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:29,560 now you look back and say, yeah, he absolutely should have been second 119 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:32,759 in that draft, but like he was not going to reach anything close because 120 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,000 of his inexperience and because of his injury and because there are real issues with 121 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,480 like his feel he doesn't know where to be. This is all like all 122 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:43,120 this stuff that maybe you worry is not teachable, Like maybe he's just a 123 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,160 seven foot athlete and is just not a basketball player, Like that's that's possible, 124 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,199 But the upside still is what it is. Like, I just he 125 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:53,040 was never going to reach it with the Warriors at a time that it would 126 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,480 have mattered to them. So let somebody else, Let the Pistons or whatever 127 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,560 is next team after this is like, maybe he gets there for them. 128 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,560 I think it's easy to dump on the guy just because, like the plus 129 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,040 minus numbers are awful, and like his rebounding is just you watch you watch 130 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,879 him play and you're just like, this guy just can't do it. But 131 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:13,639 some of it's not his fault, and some of it is just like, 132 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,199 well, how do you think a guy that played three college games and got 133 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:22,160 thrust into the most complicated offensive system in the league that was trying to win 134 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,920 a champion, Like how how should he look? You know? It's so 135 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:30,240 yeah, I agree that the physical tools just just are what we should care 136 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:33,559 about. And so yeah, if that means you give up Sidick Bay, 137 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,879 who didn't feel like the Pistons were that high on him, I guess basically, 138 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:41,080 you know, relative to maybe how they would have viewed him at this 139 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,039 time last year, I think his stock had fallen pretty considerably, probably because 140 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:48,919 right around well, a couple of months from now, a year ago, 141 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,840 he went for like fifty that one night against Orlando. But yeah, I 142 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,360 love it for I love it for the Pistons. I just there's like, 143 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:58,200 why wouldn't you do this? I don't know, that's I'm just repeating myself. 144 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,159 Now, they're two other teams involved, not in this specific deal, 145 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,679 but like connected to it. Where the Hawks get Sadiq Bay after sending out 146 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,840 they want him sinking out justin Holiday Frank commits game five second round picks. 147 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:15,200 I think they wind up sending out And then you also had the Blazers who 148 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:18,879 sent out Gary Payton the second and really quickly on the Hawks, what did 149 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:22,279 you think on the Sadiq Bay play? And they definitely they were looking at 150 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,000 cutting costs this season for for sure, but what did you make of them 151 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,879 rolling the dice on him. I think it's a it's a decent it's a 152 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:31,879 decent get. I mean, like, you know, one of the guys 153 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:35,120 you mentioned Holiday, I think might have been expected to play some rotation minutes 154 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:39,240 and he just wasn't. So I think I think some death at that position 155 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,120 really you know, was necessary. I think DeAndre Hunter has had a lot 156 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,159 of injury issues in the past, and that's I think Bay is a guy 157 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,679 that if you get him on, you've got him on his rookie scale deal. 158 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,279 You may or may not give him minutes, but like to a much 159 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,600 lesser extent than Wiseman, like the upsides there, like how far are we 160 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:03,120 really from him improving just enough to offensively to be like break even and shoot 161 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,799 thirty seven percent from three Like that's not and then you're a valuable guy at 162 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:09,639 a position the Hawk's need. So yeah, like that's I think that that 163 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,399 works out just fine for them. I was surprised at how strongly. And 164 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,759 so we have two comments on this, one of them ties into the Bulls, 165 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,080 but Huck said the Bulls and the Blazers should be relegated. And then 166 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:22,919 Ian, who does cut up video clips for us, so shout out Ian 167 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,440 message me and discords saying Jeremy Grant's not resigning with the Blazers in the summer, 168 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,120 Dame's gonna ask for a trade this summer market down, And so I 169 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,039 was and then someone I think it was Ian actually mentioned me on Twitter Blazer 170 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:39,879 would get a f because they're cronianning up the trade deadline or whatever it is. 171 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,080 And it's you trade Gary Payton a second, you trade Josh Hart, 172 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:50,200 you end up with that protected Nick's future first round pick. You have the 173 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,440 Cam Reddish flyer, the Matisse Thybel flyer. You were linked at Jared Vanderbilt 174 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,840 heavily. I was told that that deal was basically done, and I remained 175 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:01,080 skeptical, and it turns out that I was right. You got five second 176 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:03,399 round picks. I think it's the balance. So like when you kind of 177 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:09,519 try to measure their trade deadline in some here, like it looks you know, 178 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:15,879 it's I guess it is weird, so like, but it's is it? 179 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,519 I don't know how to phrase it. Is it malpractice the way that 180 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,080 I think some people are are framing it? And I think I have it 181 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:26,000 written down on So this is from Sean Hikin map. This out from Rose 182 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,480 Garden Report covers the Blazers does a fantastic job. They essentially turned GP to 183 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,639 Josh Hart and a twenty twenty nine second rounder into Reddish tie ball Archidiaconoho I 184 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:39,799 think is going to be brought out Kevin Knox five Golden State second rounders and 185 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:46,120 a lottery protected twenty or five second rounders from Golden State but by way of 186 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:50,720 Atlanta, and a lottery protected twenty twenty three first round pick from the Knicks. 187 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,240 I don't know if that's like super inspiring, but is that malpractice? 188 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,840 It's not that bad. The peyton, the peyton aspect of it is harder 189 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:05,559 to understand. But the heart thing, like they just I don't think he 190 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,919 was going to be back right that, Like the Knicks are now facing that 191 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,960 issue of like what do we do with this guy that has this He's gonna 192 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,279 opt out and then it can be like a mutual option or there's it's just 193 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,080 a weird deal that potentially hart just you don't have any team control over this 194 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:24,240 guy. So like the heart thing I get. I don't know if it 195 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,360 rises to the level of malpractice to me, but I did file something today 196 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,559 that predicted Damian Lillard would be on the shortlist of guys that next trade market 197 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:37,440 is very much in the mix. So like I guess, I guess I 198 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,600 could just because you know, the Blazers aren't good, They're not a contender. 199 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:46,240 The whole point was to build a contender around Dame this year. Certainly 200 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,360 this deadline did not further that effort. So yeah, I think I think 201 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,240 that's a totally rational thing to take away from Portland's deadline and its season, 202 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:58,759 you know, at large, but I can't. I mean, there's nothing 203 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,919 like, there's nothing crippling that they did, right, It's just disappointing as 204 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,759 all, which you know, I kind of get that. I'm just like, 205 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,000 and they have flyers on tie ball and Reddish, but they're bulls going 206 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,000 to be recipree agents. You're not gonna pay both of them. But having 207 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,919 the Knicks first round pick, if it conveys, helps you because you're freaking 208 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:22,679 that lottery protected one too. The Bulls protected through twenty twenty eight. Just 209 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:28,320 you talk about bad protections. That's just into the distance. Is just a 210 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,519 disaster. I wanted to do this before we move on, and I think 211 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,919 it kind of ties into I'll use the Lakers as the impetus here, but 212 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,960 looking post trade deadline, I want to play would you take the Lakers over 213 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,320 them in the Western Conference right now to finish above them in the standings, 214 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:50,159 So the Oklahoma City Thunder, I would take the Lakers. Yeah, the 215 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:56,679 Utah Jazz oh yeah, the Portland Trailblazers. M I don't have the standings 216 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,360 in front of me. Do you have in front of you? How close 217 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:01,720 are they? So Lakers are with every team that I'm gonna name, the 218 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:07,440 Lakers are within four losses of I think I probably would put the Lakers over 219 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:13,200 the Blazers, The Warriors, m hm, No, I don't think so. 220 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:22,600 The Timberwolves. No, the Pelicans ooh hot, take yes, Oh 221 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:28,799 okay, the Sun's I'm assuming that's the hell. No, the Clippers, 222 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:33,120 No, this one might be interesting. The Mavericks, the fun that's a 223 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:35,399 fun one because we've got the real downside potential. Right Luke, I mean 224 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:41,320 Luke injury doesn't seem he's gonna I think he's gonna play tomorrow. No, 225 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,120 I don't think so. That's a big gap. What the Lakers have a 226 00:14:45,159 --> 00:14:48,759 ton of ground. Four losses. That's a close one. But I can't 227 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:52,120 get I can't get the Lakers up there. I feel like there was one 228 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,639 other team before we got into the teams. Oh yeah, we have to. 229 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:58,399 We have to talk about this team. I thought they were one of 230 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:01,720 the biggest, if not losers, the biggest oddities of the trade deadline. 231 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:07,879 The Raptors. Brett Burnett says they scored with Yacco Peardle. They we know 232 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:11,960 they had apparently three first round picks from Memphis the Indiana. I wonder, 233 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,120 I guess they could have just been offering Cleveland and Boston's first round picks, 234 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,080 which are gonna be bottom ten, plus one of their own. So that's 235 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,080 not too flashing if Benn and Maths not involved. That's how you sort of 236 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,000 make it look like you were offering more than you actually did. What did 237 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:31,759 you they give up that twenty four first round pick for Yacca Peardle that's protected 238 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,080 for two seasons, Like, just weird your tenth in the East when you 239 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:41,519 make that trade? And I just what do you now? You have so 240 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:45,759 Fred Vanfleet and Gary Trent junior player options. Unless you just assume that one 241 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:48,639 or both of them are gonna pick up those deals, you're kind of just 242 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:50,600 like, Okay, they need to get paid. Yacca Peardle is going to 243 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:54,279 get paid. The there was mentions rival executives per the athlete. I think 244 00:15:54,320 --> 00:16:00,240 he'll get twenty million. I'll be flabber fucking gasted if he gets that much 245 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,799 money. But you have to pay him Siakam is going to be extension eligible 246 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,080 again, and then you have O Gianna Noby who's extension eligible, but people 247 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,240 don't think he'll sign it just because of the extension rules and only getting one 248 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:15,159 hundred and twenty percent raise might not be enough. They like, wow, 249 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,600 what do you make of? What? How they I guess internally evaluated themselves 250 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:26,240 both now and moving forward. So I think charitably you could say that's how 251 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:32,279 you know it's gonna be like yeah, as a preamble. Charitably you could 252 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:38,360 say they looked at the core they have and said and decided we really were 253 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:45,919 just just a defense first, like rim protecting rebounding center away from kind of 254 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:51,279 everything else working better, like making more sense, which like there's probably some 255 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:55,360 logic to that, So Purtle fits. I think he addresses a lot of 256 00:16:55,399 --> 00:17:00,639 what doesn't work well in in Toronto. The price they paid was too high, 257 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:04,640 and especially because maybe it won't be twenty million a year, but presumably 258 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,279 you're just you're keeping him. This is a second tour, so they're familiar 259 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,960 enough with him to know they like him. And I don't know what that's 260 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,000 gonna cost, but it's gonna cost something, and it's probably gonna cost more 261 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,319 than you should pay a non stretch, non switch center, even you know, 262 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,599 even though he's you know, one of the better versions of that type 263 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:30,519 of player in the league. But then in conjunction with the Trent and van 264 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:34,160 Fleet free agency specter, like you could just lose these guys I hate. 265 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,039 So this is I don't know why. It always really kind of my antenna 266 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:44,319 goes up, and it really like I get anxious when it's this particular situation 267 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,799 of you might lose this guy for nothing, or you might overpay, have 268 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,480 to overpay to keep him, like to be like, that's just I don't 269 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:55,440 want any part of those types of decisions. So it's like to go back 270 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,240 to the Wolves, like get rid of dealo, if that's the position you're 271 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:02,119 gonna put yourself in this offseason. So van Fleet and Trent are both in 272 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,039 that bucket. Maybe they will be back, and maybe this team will just 273 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:11,480 be crazy expensive before Annonobe's next contract and or Sakham's potential Supermac's extension, Like, 274 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:14,960 good lord, they're gonna have a tough couple off seasons coming up. 275 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,519 But when the alternative was maybe you start moving some of these guys and you 276 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:23,799 bring back, Like, what do we think if they traded van Fleet, 277 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:30,359 Trent, and og we're talking five firsts like net maybe like some you know, 278 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:36,680 depending on the quality and considering where they are in the standings, Like 279 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:40,319 that's sort of if you just didn't know any of the particulars, you'd say, 280 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:42,400 here's the team with this record in these pieces, what should it do? 281 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,960 You'd say, we'll go get the picks. I think maybe the picks 282 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,720 weren't there. So it's a little disappointing. It's a little confusing and it's 283 00:18:49,759 --> 00:18:56,079 surprising, But like, I don't know, I it's hard to it's hard 284 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,880 to be that critical. They are a loser at the deadline, for sure. 285 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,240 It's hard to be as critical as I might want to be, not 286 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:07,119 knowing what really they could have gone for Ananobi or van Fleet or Trent. 287 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:11,160 I think I'm just more well so then standing pat doesn't necessarily bother me. 288 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,240 And there's also when you look at van Fleet and Harry Trench Junior, like 289 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,519 the sign and trade possibilities are still on the table. Sure for the summer, 290 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:19,799 maybe they don't leave. Like when you look at the teams with cap 291 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:22,519 space, Yeah, maybe Orlando would get involved the Lakers aren't going to be 292 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,160 using cap space anymore, we don't think, so if you want to get 293 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,599 them to certain teams, I think sign and trade scenarios will be in play. 294 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,400 The one that I think they may have missed on, but you also 295 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,480 could just keep him is og and Anobi. I don't think his value is 296 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,839 going to be higher than it is right now, in very much part because 297 00:19:38,839 --> 00:19:42,359 he's gonna be an expiring contract functionally next year, so who's gonna give you 298 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,359 that many first round picks? And maybe over the off season still, so 299 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,160 you're kicking the can. That's fine. The Yaka Peartle edition was interesting because 300 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,039 I don't know he hasn't been as good defensively this year as normal. I 301 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:57,039 think a lot of that has to do with the spurs. Just like asking 302 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,519 him to have these heavy lifts. Can still stuff around the elbows on offense, 303 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:03,519 good screen setter for you, gros streetings all over the place, So 304 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:07,599 I get how he could help, But was he and you didn't have to 305 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:10,400 go up this year's first round pick and you would have protected it anyway, 306 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:12,759 So like you're not if you do decide to bottom out, it's just when 307 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:18,920 you look at giving like they treated themselves like they are yaka purtle away from 308 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,480 being in an irritant in the East. And this season specifically, their ceiling 309 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:26,839 is seven, right, Like they're not catching at the heat or thirty and 310 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,400 twenty five in the sixth seed. The Raptors are twenty six and thirty, 311 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:33,480 So they're four and a half games back as we record this, and they're 312 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:37,799 they're still even. They're four games back of the Knicks at seven. Like 313 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,440 you're not you're you're not getting out of you might get out of the play 314 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,279 in but like you're not getting out of play in territory. And that's just 315 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,920 a you know, we didn't kill the Lakers for trading a first round pick 316 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,920 when they're thirteenth in the West. But I do think the ceiling on the 317 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,039 Lakers this season is higher than what the Raptors is, unless we're just like 318 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:02,640 really missing on what they could be healthy. Yeah, I think that's right. 319 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,799 I think it's funny, Like I think you and I both have been 320 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:11,119 pretty like bought in on the Raptors just generally speaking over the last three four 321 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,039 years, you know, thinking they're better than their record, or you know, 322 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:15,599 who's really dangerous, or you know, like that type of thing, 323 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:21,039 and I still just part of me still does feel that way because on paper 324 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,960 there is like I mean, Van Vleet Trent and and Obi siaka Barnes and 325 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,200 now like there's real that team should be better and they do have a positive 326 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,960 point differential, by the way, even though they're four games under five hundred, 327 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:34,160 Like, I think they are better than that fifty points. Lacking of 328 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,680 the knicks a month ago or whatever one that probably didn't hurt. But but 329 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,440 I do think, like we do, we also have enough information now over 330 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:45,440 multiple seasons that there are just real systemic flaws with this particular type of roster. 331 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:49,119 And so you know that that sort of augured, you know, towards 332 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,319 a shake up. The fact that they didn't, I guess, you know, 333 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,799 it's not unreasonable to think that Barnes Will Barnes is having a down year 334 00:21:56,839 --> 00:21:59,000 I think, or at least is perceived to be having a down year, 335 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:02,920 and maybe here lately, Yeah, he's better lately, and maybe maybe that's 336 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,240 the difference. Maybe Peartle makes a little difference. So yeah, I mean, 337 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,240 Huck's asking will Peartle call come off the bench? He better not. 338 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:17,039 I assume he's gonna start. He's closing games for them? What's that is 339 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,599 he closing games for them? Well? I mean I don't know. He's 340 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,519 got the free throw issues. That's one thing, like, well, let's 341 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:26,559 get the Raptors in some games that actually matter first before we care about this. 342 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,400 Oh my god. Well right, so, I mean they're charitably Grant 343 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,440 thinks that the Raptors are a fraud of a franchise, and everybody needs to 344 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,279 go charitably charatably. I was gonna go ahead, I was gonna do you 345 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,200 want to talk about the Bulls since everybody seems to want to stay on the 346 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,839 disappointing stand patterns. Yeah, so you know, m Bell must sixty three 347 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,319 twenty what happened with the Bulls? No movement at all? Brett Burnett, 348 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,279 Bulls should have dumped Lavigne and he was kind of like involved in rumors towards 349 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:56,200 the they don't They didn't seem super substantiated. What was he linked to the 350 00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:00,839 nets and the nets momentarily and the Knicks. So what did you make of 351 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:06,119 the Bulls doing nothing? I think was was not surprising. Maybe the real 352 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,519 surprise that they didn't buy that was the real surprise that we didn't like that 353 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:18,319 I've been I feel like I've been so one note negative on the Bulls basically 354 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,519 since the Vuchevitch trade that I don't really have anything. By the way, 355 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:26,440 they've been linked to russ when you brought out from your top. Sure I 356 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:33,759 believe that. I guess again, it seems I will, So I'm gonna 357 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,160 kind of back off before I get to this this answer. Like I wonder 358 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,960 if Kevin Durant getting traded like fucked everything else up like from Annaobi to like 359 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:48,000 on down, like maybe because maybe teams said, like okay, market set, 360 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,240 that's four first and like two good young wings and under you know, 361 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:56,000 team control and a and a crowder that we could flip for other assets like 362 00:23:56,319 --> 00:24:00,000 okay, cool, So Annonobe now, like what's he worth? And like 363 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:04,200 the Bulls had to be maybe just like that through a wrench in and just 364 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,039 prevented things that we thought would happen from happening, like Annon Obi or like 365 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,759 the Bulls doing something. I don't know, but anyway, I think this 366 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:17,799 Bull's roster just is what it is. I think Lavine de rosen Vukovich like 367 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,799 this is just you know, they're twenty six and twenty nine, there have 368 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,920 been injuries, but like this is just what they are. And if I'm 369 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,759 running a franchise and this applies to the Wizards too, I guess who are 370 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,680 twenty five and twenty nine, They're just right there. Like I don't want 371 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,480 this. I don't want to be in this section of the league. I 372 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,240 don't think you know, it's it's it's it's hack. It's hack at this 373 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,480 point, like we've been this, the mediocrity treadmill has been something we've talked 374 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,480 about for fifteen years. Uh so you would think that the Bulls maybe the 375 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,680 Bulls don't think they're on it, or maybe they're prod it. Like I 376 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:57,000 just I just think if if you could have done something, whether that's moving 377 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:02,000 de Rosen, whether that's moving Lavin, and whether it's moving Vukovitch before free 378 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,319 agency, whether that's seeing if you really want to go lean farther into it, 379 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,000 see what's out there for Patrick Williams, Like I don't know, Like 380 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:12,359 that's your other that's the other direction you could go. Yeah, the Bulls 381 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,960 just aren't seemingly interested in going one way or the other. They're just gonna 382 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,279 kind of hang out here. And as with Lavigne on that deal. That's 383 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:26,599 a similar to Beale in Washington, although not as bad. This is just 384 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,839 kind of where you're gonna be. So yeah, I get it if you're 385 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,720 disappointed as a Bulls fan for sure, Yeah, you would have liked to 386 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,279 have seen them. I think pivoting into a more gradual time I would have 387 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,079 been more encouraging. And I just what is the I don't know what the 388 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,279 endgame here is anymore. What's the path to them getting substantially better? And 389 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,160 it's not if you want to say internal development, it would be Lonzo Ball 390 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,839 gets and stays healthy and then Patrick Williams just hits. But it's like you're 391 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,559 now you're gonna pay voos over the summer. You're kind of in the bird 392 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,319 rights trap there with him, and then if you don't, it's like, 393 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,359 well, look at what you gave up to get him, and then he's 394 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,400 just leaving. You are like, convey your pick to Orlando this year. 395 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,480 So that is now just okay, you're over and done with it. You 396 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,319 can move forward. You still the obligation to San Antonio in twenty twenty five 397 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,279 though, so it's not going to happen via trade because like, yeah, 398 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,359 I guess they could trade distant first round picks. I just think maybe it 399 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,480 wasn't a missed opportunity because you mentioned Kevin Durant getting moved, and maybe, 400 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,920 like the it'll be they will have more suitors for Lavine and de Rosan over 401 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,359 the off season when teams are just more flexible. And so if the plan 402 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,279 is to just convey the pick, like zero out your obligation to Orlando, 403 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,319 you have the San Antonio obligation on the books, and then they're gonna explore 404 00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:36,799 it this offseason, I'll be like okay with it. But I just don't 405 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,400 know what the internal evaluation of this team is and do they really think that 406 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,400 they have a pathway to being a top four team in the East anytime soon? 407 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:47,480 Like what is again, this is the third time? What is the 408 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,640 pathway to this? It's not just it can't just be Lonzo Ball gets and 409 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,960 stays healthy. I know they were thermonuclear a year last year with him, 410 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,119 But like, Okay, the Bucks aren't going anywhere, The Celtics aren't going 411 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,079 anywhere, The Sixers aren't going anywhere. Those are three teams right there. 412 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:06,480 I mean maybe the Nets go somewhere. So there's like there is Cleveland's not 413 00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:10,359 gonna go anywhere, so there's there's room to move up throughout the East, 414 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,000 but like there's room to move down. And it's just like they're what the 415 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:18,400 Bulls have become is they've always been here where it just seems like they don't 416 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:25,319 understand where they actually are or how good they actually are. They overestimate themselves. 417 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:33,640 But there's just something very hilariously hopelessly wizards and hornets in about what the 418 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,319 Bulls are doing right now to where it's almost like now it's not that we 419 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,759 at least they had a semi feasible pathway last year. It seems like to 420 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,000 getting like why wouldn't you trade Patrick Williams last year when his trade value is 421 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,480 probably at his apex? I know this is why we fall in love with 422 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,720 young players and the mystique of what they could be them just I will reserve, 423 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,119 I won't ether them completely until we get to the offseason and see what 424 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,359 they do. But I have no faith that they're gonna go. It should 425 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,759 be the nuclear rebuilding route and just blow this thing to smithereens. Yeah, 426 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,000 that's a good point to make that applies to basically anyone we designated as a 427 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,160 deadline loser, which is like, it's not like, you know, there's 428 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:18,279 no transaction or roster changes after February ninth. It's like all these teams could 429 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,720 have just decided now is not the time. I mean, like this is 430 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,880 giving them too much credit. But the Bulls could have said, like we 431 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,480 internally, we do know where we are. We don't like it now, 432 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:30,079 it's just not the time to do it. And maybe that time is the 433 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,880 offseason. Maybe Toronto feels that way too. You made a great point about 434 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,640 sign and trade options essentially with their with their impending free agents, like that, 435 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,720 that's all part of it. But like we got to evaluate what happened 436 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,599 at the deadline, because that is when stuff happens. You know, there's 437 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,039 two points in the season where things you know, get done, and this 438 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,440 is one of them. And so that's just that's just you can't say that 439 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,359 the Bulls came out of this any better than they went into it, and 440 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,039 that's disappointing just on its space. One more team I wanted to be sure 441 00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:00,559 that, well more teams want to be sure they get to I think this 442 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:06,240 one could be super quick. Cleveland pac Leers shout out a long time follower 443 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:10,920 and or discord Cavs went thermal nuclear af today and did nothing. And then 444 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:15,839 from Brett Burnett Calves doing nothing as smart get and stay healthy, as they're 445 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,599 already good. All teams who made trades will have to find their chemistry Calves 446 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,039 already have it and contend. Then I think, look, if you said 447 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:26,640 all of this to me a few weeks ago before Isaaca Coro just went kaboom 448 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,920 on offense and carousel Vert has even looked better, I might have pushed back 449 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,480 and said, well, they need to go out and get a Gary Trench 450 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,640 Junior. I don't know if they could have gotten him based off what Toronto 451 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,400 was asking for, just based off what they were asking for OG and what 452 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,119 they asked the Clippers for apparently for Fred van Fleet doesn't seem like it was 453 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,440 even remotely gettable. I'm I think I'm kind of I'm fine with them doing 454 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,039 nothing, and they could be like what if they got Danny Green on the 455 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:56,559 buyout market or they were just an holiday team it might have been. I 456 00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,319 would have liked to have seen them get in on like some of the wings 457 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,119 that were available, but the ones they got moved. Look at Jalen McDaniels, 458 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,960 look at Cam Reddish, look at Matist five ball. None of them 459 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,319 really brought what Cleveland needed most. Jay Crowder, who's not even really a 460 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,880 wing at this point. Yeah, I think. I mean, I mentioned, 461 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,680 you know, when we're talking about the Suns as like a you know, 462 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,799 a top tier buyout destination, the Calves are there too, because if 463 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,640 you're any good at all, maybe Danny Green is the name again that sticks 464 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,880 out. If you're any good at all, the Calves can basically say, 465 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,400 I mean, you can come here and take this starting small forward spot. 466 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:34,440 Maybe that's less true because the Korro You're like, you're not kidding. I 467 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,000 mean, forty seven point six percent from deep in January, and that's you 468 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,359 know, he doesn't shoot a million of him, but he's twenty and forty 469 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,519 two and he's six out of ten so far in February. Like he's not 470 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:47,720 gonna get a ton of them up. But if he can defend and he 471 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:49,720 can make a few threes, like that's really all they need from this position, 472 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,480 that's really all. And then Lavert kind of does his own. He's 473 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,480 on the ball. He's a different type of player, but like I think 474 00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:00,519 probably, I don't think it would be fair. Maybe some people are disappointed 475 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,960 or would call the Calves a deadline loser because they had we talked about it 476 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,680 at nauseum, like this is the small forward position for the Calves is the 477 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,119 one around the league that needs to be filled. And like that's a little 478 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,680 less true because of a coral and because of LeVert than it was you know 479 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,839 for most of the season, specifically because the coro has been better. But 480 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,079 it's like the guys that move just I don't know, I mean, it 481 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,599 wouldn't have been an upgrade, so you know it is. It is surprising 482 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,839 just because we spent so much time talking about the issue with the small forward 483 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,640 spot. But like, you know, again put it this way, like 484 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,480 I don't know that it's not like the same thing as the Bulls. You 485 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:41,279 know, there's no room to move up. I don't know that the Calves 486 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,160 have what it takes to be like you know, there's there's Boston and Milwaukee 487 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,720 and the Calves would really just have to play out of their minds to sort 488 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,559 of be on that level. I think certainly, given like a lot of 489 00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:55,640 the playoff inexperience, everyone besides Mitchell has on that team, so you know, 490 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:57,559 maybe the timing is not there, But yeah, I don't know. 491 00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,440 Were you surprised they didn't do anything like would they would have been a team 492 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,759 I'd expected to at least find a do something to get a wing in there 493 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,839 based off how the dev hunt when it doesn't surprise me, just again looking 494 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,119 at who got moved, and maybe they fancy, like you said, they're 495 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:15,400 gonna be an appealing buyout destination because maybe minutes aren't as available as we're making 496 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,240 them out to be because of Lavert and a Korro And then Dean Wade comes 497 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,720 back and is shooting like three percent from three and they might just assume that 498 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,440 they have enough. And the other thing that you kind of sort of alluded 499 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,039 to and even Brett Burnett does in the chat on the screen, Cavs really 500 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,599 good. So it's just deaf and little tweaks stay healthy, and they will 501 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,480 contend they got Spider and that deal and that was their deal pretty much Garland 502 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,880 and Spider or for real that deal for Mitchell or the Cavs forget about the 503 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,559 trade. Their timeline's not right now. It is right now, but it's 504 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,640 also both like this is bigger picture, like what you've seen from Evan Mobley 505 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,519 this season, I think is like quietly we were talking about I don't think 506 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,160 we Kendrick Perkins is talking about regression. I look at Evan Mobley and I'm 507 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,200 like, it's it's incrementally better, But look at how good he was last 508 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,279 season. To improve an increments is a big fucking deal. And so they 509 00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:06,079 don't like given the complications to a trade, they might be a team that 510 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,400 can explore sign and trade scenarios over the off season. They actually they're slaying 511 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,440 for some cap space this year as of right now, depending on what happens 512 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,400 with la Vert, so they can just they'll have a better idea of what 513 00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:21,799 they are after this year. And the Mitchell trade was never about just this 514 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:23,960 season. It was about playing the longer game. So you don't need if 515 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,839 that move just wasn't out there, Like if they could have gotten Malik Beasley 516 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,039 for what they had with the Jazz have done a coro for Malik Beasley and 517 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:35,039 Filler, I mean maybe that would have been interesting, but Beasley hasn't shot 518 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,359 the ball too well from three, And if that deal was on the table, 519 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,799 I might have had a conversation I might have been Okay, well let's 520 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:45,119 talk about this, but it's clear that maybe they didn't want to be in 521 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,680 on that, just given what Beasley ended up fetching in the aggregate or the 522 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:50,319 Jets probably just wanted the distant first. And why are you going to help 523 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,200 out the Calves? Again, this actually helps out the Caves. I think 524 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,160 there's like a low key element of presenting Conley to the Timberwolves to kind of 525 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,039 help submarine and accelerate their long term demise. You wouldn't have had that with 526 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:06,839 Beasley to Calves. So I just think when you're looking at their timeline, 527 00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,639 which is still gradual, the fact that they can straddle two lines is a 528 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:14,880 benefit to them, and I think it affords them some level of patients that 529 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,599 other teams, regardless of whether it's win Now or like the Raptors where we 530 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,039 think that they were at a crossroads, the Calves just aren't there. Yeah, 531 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,159 I mean, it's it's a luxury that it's worked this well, this 532 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,559 quickly for them, just because other than Mitchell, there are other you know, 533 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,840 there are other three core guys, Alan, Mowbley and Garland are so 534 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,960 young, Like I mean, it's yeah, I get it. Like, 535 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:38,800 man, they're pretty close. I wish they'd just gotten that piece to get 536 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,360 them over the top. But really, like, you know, just enjoy 537 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,000 this and then know the next year is probably going to be better, and 538 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,000 the year after that potentially so. So yeah, and they've got plenty of 539 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:54,679 avenues to improve. And honestly, like I really do think and if I'm 540 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,440 the Calves, I would feel this way too. I really want to give 541 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,559 a Coro every opportunity because all the reports are like this guy works his ass 542 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:05,719 off, like he really you know, he's a he's a guy that the 543 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,119 franchise really likes, and so I want him to be the one that just 544 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:13,360 takes this position and makes us look back on it as can you remember, 545 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,920 can you believe we really didn't think he was going to be able to handle 546 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,639 like a three and D role on a title contender, Like That's that's what 547 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:22,239 the franchise wants, I think, and that's what I would want. Because 548 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,760 you invested the fifth pick in this guy, you gotta give him. You 549 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,480 know, it's been a little longer than you might want. If you're the 550 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,519 Calves, then the signs have been maybe fewer and further between. Then you 551 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,920 prefer but they're kind of there now, and so I think a little more 552 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,960 patience is the right call. Uh, I'm with you. There were I 553 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,159 wanted to finish this in ninety minutes, but their view of time and there 554 00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:44,880 are two teams that I wanted to get to quick. Let's see the Sacramental 555 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,760 Kings doing nothing. Are you fine with that? What do you what do 556 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,599 you make of it? Well, it's a little bit like the Calves thing 557 00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:53,679 where you need a defensive wing, right, or maybe you don't need the 558 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:57,480 three quite so much because they got plenty of shooting in offense. But but 559 00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,519 I just think maybe the guys weren't out there, like you know, let's 560 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:04,039 just throw the name out again, like what would would they have paid what 561 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,559 it costs to get Ann and Obi? And should they have? Like you 562 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:08,320 heard Crowder linked to them, and it's like you get to merit them for 563 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,719 that. Would you have done? People didn't like my idea where with Keegan 564 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,400 Murray and at a first round pick or two first round I mean it would 565 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,280 have been Kegan Murray in two first round picks Rogan Andobi? Would you have 566 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,199 done that? People in sacrament I love Keegan Murray so like you're just good. 567 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,239 But yeah, no, I mean I would have thought about it. 568 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,960 I think I think the only scenario in which this King's team really like does 569 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:37,800 anything but get beat in the first round is finding enough defense to compete in 570 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,920 a playoff series. Just the offense is awesome, it's just I mean, 571 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,159 they are just they can't stop anybody. It's just that's just the personnel just 572 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,280 isn't there. It's it's like not a scheme thing, it's not. It's 573 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,239 just these guys aren't good defenders. That's all it is. So I guess 574 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,679 I'm disappointed. But again, like I don't know who that piece type, 575 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,239 you know what typele would have been someone that I would have really like to 576 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,679 see them try to go get because it wasn't gonna cost much and he knew 577 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,480 the Sixers were going to move him to duck the tax, you know, 578 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:09,639 something like that. But even then, when you're saying, I mean, 579 00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:13,679 it's not like he's the missing piece, right, like he's very much a 580 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,320 flyer at this stage, but he just happens to really defend. So I 581 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,480 don't know, But Bran Brynet says, Kings blew it shouldn't. Yeah, 582 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,400 Vando be another guy. Maybe that was the name that's in table of course, 583 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,519 which is like, well, looking at what they actually went for, 584 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,719 but Vando, the value was folded into getting that Laker's pick, so I 585 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,880 understand why that might have. The Jazz would been like, yeah, like 586 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,360 whatever, we don't care about your seconds that you're offering us. And there's 587 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,840 just like when you look at the players that were moved, the Reddish wouldn't 588 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,079 have done it for me. Again, Vando would have. I just don't 589 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,119 think he was gettable given what the Jazz were prioritizing the Lakers pick. And 590 00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:50,639 then it's like, okay, well then who Josh Richardson is the name that 591 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,119 I look at seeing what he went for, and I think that was a 592 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,920 to talk about the Pelicans a little bit. I thought that was a home 593 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,280 run trade for New Orleans. Just you get off DeVante Graham's deal, you 594 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,159 four second round picks, but Josh for justson helps you like that. His 595 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,239 volume from three is real volume relative to New Orleans is volume. He gives 596 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,800 you positional defensive flexibility at the one through like he can cover one through four, 597 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,920 you don't want him playing the four necessarily. So that was the name 598 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:15,360 could they have got they weren't going to get it on the Josh Hart swep 599 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,679 stage. She shouldn't be giving up a protected first round pick for him. 600 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,800 I don't think the Nicks should have given up a first round pick for him. 601 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,599 So those are there were names there. I am wondering if they're in 602 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:29,119 the same vein of the calves as they needed different things. Even though the 603 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,199 spot, like their area of need was similar, the type of players that 604 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,320 need is different. Do they become like I don't know who gets brought out, 605 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,960 but are they just an intriguing buyout destination for someone who's like, why 606 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,159 want minutes on a team that's actually relevant? And news flash, like the 607 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,760 Kings are still third in the West. And so there's also the element of 608 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,360 yes, the margin for error is thin, but this thing ain't broken. 609 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:51,800 Don't fuck with it like you if you need to make a hole or sale 610 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,519 decision, go ahead and just do that over the off season when you understand 611 00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:59,559 where you actually finished the season, what you look like once you get to 612 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:04,119 the playoff. So I saw fans were disappointed. I saw some media members 613 00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,039 or bloggers or podcasters not killing them, but just saying, well, how 614 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:08,599 did the Kings do nothing, and it's just like, well, yeah, 615 00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:12,079 they weren't encumbered a little bit because of that picked the Hawks, but like, 616 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,400 what was the move if you weren't going to go all in for an 617 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,599 og An and Nobi, And maybe the Raptors would have said no to that 618 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:20,920 based off like what were the offers were hearing? They refused, so if 619 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,719 you wanted them to make like a lower level move, whereas well, did 620 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,880 they call the Pacers about o Shabri set Like I'm just throwing names out there 621 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,400 that could have been Gary Harris. We knew the King. He's smaller, 622 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,760 but we knew the Magic. We're never gonna move him. He's under contract 623 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,039 for next year and they they're probably gonna try and be pretty good pretty soon. 624 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,519 This felt very always to me, unless you were gonna try and go 625 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:40,920 the O G route, which they weren't linked to him, and I thought 626 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,639 at least that I saw and I thought they should have been. But unless 627 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:47,679 you were gonna make that type of move, there was just nothing for them 628 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,920 to do other than these flyer plays and where I don't think, you know, 629 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,159 missing out again Richardson Tybell van Dough. I just don't know if they 630 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:58,719 would have had enough to get given what happened with the Lakers. Are those 631 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,519 missed opportunities Like those are like interesting what ifs, but they're not like opportunities 632 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:08,079 run run a foul. Yeah no, I think to me, there's a 633 00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:14,519 very easily imaginable scenario where we get back on the familiar horse of like can 634 00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:17,280 you believe how stupid the Kings were and like how desperate they got and how 635 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,679 you know, like like that they've been subject to that criticism, Like anytime 636 00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:23,559 there's a glimmer of hope, it's like, we'll trade you anything. We're 637 00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:27,760 trying to win forty one games this year. You know, this is different, 638 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,920 I think because they've made good decisions. I mean, we can relitigate 639 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,000 the Halibert and Sabonis thing if you want, but like and let's not let's 640 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,880 do that another time. But but like they've made enough good decisions to where 641 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,239 now this season is a wild success. Like literally, no matter what happens, 642 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,840 barring they somehow slipped like to the plane or something like this, it's 643 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,760 a win. There's like there's they've got a coach that they like. They 644 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,079 I'm pretty sure they extended Monty McNair. So like there's stability, there's less 645 00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:02,039 urgency, like this is it's okay that they didn't do something. It would 646 00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:06,280 have been cool to do something on the margins, but like I do think 647 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,199 it's almost like a sign of growth, like they're the Kings have matured. 648 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,960 They're not just like desperately freaking out and like, let's make the most of 649 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,199 this right now because they realize they have a good thing and they don't need 650 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,119 to like they don't need to go nuts to maximize this, Like it's already 651 00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:23,639 good. Now, let's operate like a normal franchise and just kind of, 652 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,280 you know, add the pieces as they become available and not really stretched for 653 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,559 the ones that might or might not fit. Uh. The other team I 654 00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:36,559 want to talk about was the Nick Surprise, Surprise, I went in on 655 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,239 the Heart trade without you the other night? Uh to was that? What 656 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,480 night was that? Who fuck it was? Wednesday? Was that? I 657 00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,920 don't know what is they were? They linked to Zach Lavigan towards the end, 658 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,960 but the package was never Joe Cally of the Chicago Sun Times, who 659 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:53,159 you know, I don't know what his hit rate is. Let's just put 660 00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:59,119 it kindly that that way, like the specifics were never dropped, but it 661 00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:01,400 was apparently over clap at home. Players involved was the report, and like, 662 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,400 well, that's the entire fucking trade backers that his draft equity and players 663 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,360 involved. What do you make of the Josh Hart trade? What do you 664 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:15,239 make of them keeping Obie topping past the deadline? What do you make of 665 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,880 them being linked to zach Lavine? Maybe it was just a I'm not this 666 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,599 is not I'm genuinely curious here. I'm not about to kill them. I 667 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,840 would not have given up the moon for zach Lavine. But the point is 668 00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:30,320 maybe they didn't like maybe the talks were just so low level that the Knicks 669 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,920 were viewing him as like, well, a distressed asset almost like let's try 670 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,199 and and look the name we didn't get to when we talk about the hawk, 671 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,920 by the way, we should have distress. Ask them when we think 672 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,840 of poor Ton Collins, Oh, Don Collins, He's gotta be like, 673 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,280 really, guys, still like where I'm just where I'm here? Now? 674 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,920 Still is this like you couldn't get so before we get to the next like 675 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,719 the fingers that I think I haven't we haven't talked enough about the finger injury 676 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,559 Collins had last year that seems maybe is the reason why he's not shooting the 677 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:04,400 ball well. And then like maybe that's just maybe teams around the league just 678 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,679 know that and they're like, he's now a twenty five percent three point shooter 679 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,599 and that's just what he is, and therefore we're not giving up shit like 680 00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:15,440 that Like that, that, to me is the first explanation I've heard that 681 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:20,000 makes any sense as to why the Hawks can't get some like modicum of positive 682 00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:22,880 value for him. But yeah, poor John Collins, he's stuck for the 683 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,039 Knicks. Like, yeah, I get like heart. I think Heart's gonna 684 00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:29,880 be good for them down the stretch of this season. I think, you 685 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,679 know, he's very much a TIBs guy. I'll rebound the shit out of 686 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,079 the ball. He's gonna play hard. Hopefully he'll remember he's allowed to shoot 687 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:39,440 threes and make them occasionally. But the contract situation is what it is, 688 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:44,320 Like, I don't know if this is like a long term thing where they're 689 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,599 just like, yeah, we're definitely gonna keep him around three point shooting. 690 00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:51,760 Is if he's sub thirty one percent this year and he's always I call him, 691 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,840 maybe he's graduated, or maybe he's what would be the opposite of graduating. 692 00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,480 Maybe he's been flunked out of first team all shoots worth than you think 693 00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:04,960 from play well, I mean, unless you just only judged him on his 694 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,280 last little chunk of the season with Portland last year, when he couldn't miss 695 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,280 and was just putting up twenties every night. Yeah. No, I this 696 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,159 doesn't like move me in any significant way. I think the lottery protection on 697 00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:19,199 the first like they're gonna I mean that that's so you. I mean, 698 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:23,360 I just I don't know, it doesn't It doesn't make a big difference to 699 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,159 me, Like I think, honestly though, if the alternative were the Knicks 700 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,719 went swung big and went for someone like Lavine or Lavine specifically, I would 701 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,079 feel worse about their deadline, just because I don't think Lavine is someone you 702 00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:37,760 want to invest in. But yeah, I don't know. I didn't hear. 703 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,480 I didn't admit I didn't hear what you thought about the Heart trade. 704 00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,599 But it doesn't. I think it's gonna help him be a little better this 705 00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:49,360 year, and then it has the potential to just like not matter at all 706 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,920 or look like a waste of assets. Down the line, and that's where 707 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,239 I kind of landed because I don't think you should be paying heart. And 708 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,639 then it's also you look at their depth chart, it's like, okay, 709 00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:02,360 well they're not overrun with wings. But like you have Quinton Grimes, you 710 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,800 have RJ. Barrett, now you have Josh Hart. I think getting heart 711 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,519 kind of means that Deuce McBride's like time in the rotation is just like over 712 00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:14,559 which is you know, he can't he can't really hit a three at the 713 00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:16,800 moment either, So I get that. I don't. It wasn't a move 714 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,519 I disliked. It was just one that was sort of, okay, are 715 00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,199 you gonna ever play those three guys together? Heart, Grimes and Barrett, 716 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,440 because if you're not, again you have imagine they can run out I will 717 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,239 say some really fierce defensive lineups now because of RJ. Barrett's regression, there 718 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,280 wouldn't surprise like we're gonna be seeing games where it's like Grimes and Heart or 719 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,039 closing and Barretts on the bench because you're Robinson and Randall and Brunson, and 720 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:44,519 so that creates sort of a weird like I guess that's where the weird dynamic 721 00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,440 is for me is the heart Barrett Grimes. And maybe I'm reading too much 722 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,800 into it being overkill, but because both Grimes and Barrett are such a prominent 723 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,119 part of what you're trying to do long term, introducing someone who is such 724 00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:59,119 a tips guy and would warrant minutes and who's going to be a free agent. 725 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,559 So what you gave up to me that wasn't rental material because it was 726 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,760 you didn't get off bad money in this. I don't care that you gave 727 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,360 up. It amounts to two conditional first round picks for Heart when you factor 728 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,800 in Reddish, I don't like that's the sun cost. You move out of 729 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,880 it, We move on. I just I guess I'm puzzled, perplexed, 730 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,159 whatever the word is. And I'm not super just like I'm not convinced that 731 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,800 his fit on offense. I like he has that transition cadence can finish well 732 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,559 at the rim, great rebounder as I love his fit in some respects, 733 00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:30,719 but I also don't see it a lot of the times necessarily on offense, 734 00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:35,559 And I'm not I don't want to read too much into Josh Hart does not 735 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,519 signal, oh well are they out on RJ. Barrett, but depending on 736 00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:42,840 what it costs to keep him. That is something that I'm going to be 737 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,840 monitoring. And maybe RJ. Barrett was always kind of he was linked to 738 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,119 the Dona Mitchell trade talks. That was always the guy that would as now 739 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,880 salary filler over the summer because then when his new deal kicks in that you're 740 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,079 going to that you're going to move as part of a blockbuster package. Maybe 741 00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,960 I'm just projecting forward too much. It was just it was an interesting talent 742 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:06,400 play. I just don't I'm not fully I'm not fully with it. It's 743 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,599 just I'm equivocating here. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. 744 00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:13,280 And if I had to pick one, I would probably skew towards disliking 745 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,440 it. I just I definitely don't necessarily understand it, which is I guess 746 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,639 that's something I could say about a lot of Knicks moves. But I was 747 00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,800 look, I was a skeptical about I didn't think the bruns and money was 748 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,480 bad. I just wasn't high on his fit and the mode of operations that 749 00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:30,599 went there. I was clearly wrong, and we're all clearly wrong eight times 750 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:34,199 over on Julius Randall tennis balling back and forth on what he was going to 751 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,679 be. So I'm open to the idea that I could be wrong and look 752 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,119 defensive lineups with I mean, the spacing is gonna be iffy, but Grimes, 753 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,760 Heart Robinson and then just I would put quickly in there, like so 754 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,920 d let's just say and then I don't care who the fifth is, Like 755 00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:50,599 is Randall? A part of that is our data, A part of that. 756 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,280 You could throw Brunson in there. You could do some shit. So 757 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,440 I'm excited about that. But I'm just this is just very like we want 758 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,440 to continue to be in the middle, but they didn't give up any long 759 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:05,159 term equity, so staying in the middle of this year is fine. I'm 760 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,199 just trying to figure out in my mind, and you could tell us the 761 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:13,039 Knicks, because I'm rambling incoherently right now, what is division here beyond this 762 00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:16,639 season? And I don't It hasn't fully materialized yet, and I think we've 763 00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:20,760 moved beyond the point. Well, they have all these assets that they're stockpiling 764 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,280 for a star and it's look, we've just proven to some degree in the 765 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,360 Mitchell talks, whether the Knicks got lucky or drew a line in the sand. 766 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,519 These conditional first round picks from other teams that you had weren't super valuable. 767 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,599 Now you have quickly and toppin who are coming up on extension eligibility. 768 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,239 That's going to dwindle their trade value down a little bit. I don't know 769 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,440 if RJ. Barrett is more or less or the same value on his new 770 00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:45,280 deal than he was before. I think right now, if I had to 771 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,119 pick, and this is someone who supported the extension, I think he's less 772 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:52,920 valuable. So I've pinballed back and forth on him too. I just don't 773 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,079 know. I don't know what the endgame here. We know what the end 774 00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:00,280 game is supposed to be. I just don't necessarily see the pathway to them 775 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,440 getting there. And the fact that they checked in on Levine makes me a 776 00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,480 little nervous because we do know they offered a ship ton for Donovan Mitchell. 777 00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,800 If you offer anything near that for Zach Levine, I'm hashtag concerned. I 778 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,920 don't think they did, just from what I understand, but I would be 779 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,960 hashtag concerned. So I just I'm they baffle me, and not in a 780 00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:23,480 hopeless way, just in a I'm genuinely morbidly intrigued. Away. It's better 781 00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:27,719 to be like, huh, I'm curious about this. Then oh god, 782 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,320 I don't. I don't like where this is going. Their plan is. 783 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,119 I could tell you what their plan is. It's not that complicated. It's 784 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:36,199 that damn it. Paul de Lara has just gave him my plan away. 785 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,280 This is what it is. So you got heart now because brun you know, 786 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,199 to play with Brunson, You're gonna give up four first round picks from 787 00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:46,079 Michale Bridges this offseason, and then you're gonna sign Dante de Vincenzo when he 788 00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:50,800 becomes available. And then that came back. The fifth Villanova player that I 789 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:57,960 can't think of is that Kyle Lowry. Sure bring him on. He's worth 790 00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:00,079 thirty million, right, just to complete the Villanova quintet. What's wrong with 791 00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:05,920 that? Yeah? So if there's any last minute question in the chat, 792 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,679 I think we should get out here. I wanted to finish though, by 793 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,199 asking what was your biggest surprise or most under the radar trade deadline, whether 794 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,840 it's move team overall our team theme. Oh, I mean the second round 795 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,000 pick stuff was pretty nuts, right, Like just the idea of five seconds 796 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,920 going and more than like what that bucked Crowder trade. I know with the 797 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:31,199 second are Eric nam of name of a reported I STI don't know where they're 798 00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:35,800 going. I don't think like which ones are going where that that was wild. 799 00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:38,119 It's kind of funny, like we've lost the thread of what first rounders 800 00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:42,400 are worth after the Gobert and Mitchell trades and now it's like now we don't 801 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,599 know what seconds are worth or where they are. The other thing, we 802 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:46,000 didn't really talk about the Sixers. This is just kind of a low key 803 00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:50,800 like they did really well. I mean, they ducked the tacks. They 804 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,599 they basically replaced Missy Sybel with Jalen McDaniels, who I think it's at least 805 00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:59,440 a conversation. I think most people would probably say McDaniels is a better player 806 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,280 or is you know, projects to be better. He is going to hit 807 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,000 free agency, so you gotta deal with that. But the Sixers, you 808 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:07,719 know, got a guy I think that they might have a better chance of 809 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,119 playing, and he's cheaper, and they have room now for a buyout player 810 00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:15,360 as well. So like just small stuff. But I think the Sixers did 811 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,840 really well. We didn't really give them their flowers. I'm with you on 812 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,320 the Sixers. I also think we're gonna look back, and maybe we won't, 813 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,719 but look back as sort of the Josh Richardson to New Orleans move. 814 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,280 It's just a really solid one. The Blazers give themselves more flexibility under the 815 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,639 luxury taxi in the summer while getting a player who actually helps them here. 816 00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:37,519 Interesting that they kept Jackson Hayes too, so are they're gonna look at bringing 817 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,159 him back in richards free agency? I thought he was someone that might get 818 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,960 moved, but I like that we've seen them tumble down the standings during Zion 819 00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,159 zapp since the offense is clearly an issue Josh Richardson or at least a three 820 00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:52,599 point volume is. We don't really know how sustainable their full strength minutes are 821 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,039 because there's so few and far between at this point, but their top end 822 00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:00,880 outcome is still just like Championship of Contender. I mean, they were like 823 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,480 at the top of the Western Conference not too long ago. So I like 824 00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:07,480 getting a player who helps you now without really mortgaging any chunk of your future 825 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,400 and then sort of increasing your wig over and moving forward. It wouldn't shock 826 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,559 me if it depends on the finances. But if Josh Richardson that's someone that 827 00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,519 stays with them beyond, I think he'll be fairly in demand, but he 828 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:19,800 can stay with them beyond the season. And I think there's insofar as they're 829 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,679 willing to experiment with lineups that don't include Jonas Valancunis once they get fully healthy. 830 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,840 The addition to Josh Richinson that just gives you opens up all sorts of 831 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,920 of avenues and so like if Herb Jones really isn't cutting it on offense, 832 00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:34,920 or if Tyson Daniels is just someone you don't trust in the playoffs, I'm 833 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,440 there with Murphy the third. I trust the hell out of that. Yeah, 834 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,920 I've seen him do things where I'm like, why would you ever trade 835 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,320 him for O? G N and Obi? Because the Pelicans like, no, 836 00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:46,360 let me keep Trey Murphy, but I might be too high on him, 837 00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:49,320 so they can run out of a lot of interesting lunch. I think 838 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,360 that that was just a as. I just thought that was a very under 839 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,960 the radar and it kind of floated beneath the flow of all the other chaos, 840 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:00,360 just all right, Like the Pelicans didn't make the all in play we 841 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,079 don't know if they should this season relative to where they are, and Josh 842 00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:07,079 Richardson's going to help and so I I really liked that move. But then 843 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,039 they also got off with Graham's money. He has next year at twelve plus 844 00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:13,119 million and then he's guaranteed two point five in the final year. You're just 845 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,960 out of that and it didn't cost you first round equity to do it. 846 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:19,519 Yeah, that's the real key because we've you know that, we've talked all 847 00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:21,760 of the year about how the Pelicans have all these picks piled up, what 848 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,280 are they gonna do with them? And like the right answer is, well, 849 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,440 don't give them up to just get off, you know, eleven and 850 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,079 twelve million dollars of bad money, hang onto those. So so yeah, 851 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:30,159 that's a for sure, that's a that's a win by them. Do you 852 00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,119 want to do you have anything else to add or do you want to take 853 00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:37,159 us out? This will be and I'm gonna just cut the outro twice and 854 00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:39,000 put it up. This is going to be a two part podcast. There's 855 00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:42,400 gonna release it on the same day, but we went almost two hours here. 856 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,639 Thank you to everyone who joined us. But do you want to you 857 00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,639 want to take us out of the twenty twenty three NBA trade demine is officially 858 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,239 totally, completely, unequivocally over. It is a rap, and we will 859 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,480 soon start talking about the twenty twenty four deadline, because that's how the industry 860 00:53:55,559 --> 00:54:00,840 works. But yes, everybody, thank you for getting in this chat, 861 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,960 for following us on socials, for subscribing. May If you have not done 862 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,719 any of those things, please do them all, rate review and subscribe us. 863 00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:12,119 Subscribe to us. Follow us on Twitter at Hardwood Knox, same handle 864 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,239 on TikTok. 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