1 00:00:15,439 --> 00:00:20,359 What is crack Black and developed Thermo Nucleire efforts. I am Dan the Valley, 2 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:27,039 joined by by Certified Fantabulous making his Hardwood Knocks debut. Puppy Cosmo, 3 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,719 Say Hi Cosmo. He's actually being kind of a dick right now. Won't 4 00:00:30,719 --> 00:00:32,560 go to sleep, which is why he's with me. But I'm here just 5 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,560 to give you a brief intro for a longer episode. But if you like 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,439 puppies, hey Cosmo, say hi Hi to the camera, and subscribe on 7 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,359 YouTube and to our podcast. If you've done all those things, share it 8 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:46,280 because look, Puppy Cosmo. How's that? Anyway? Grant and I had 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,840 a long discussion about where the Golden State Warriors kind of go after their playoff 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,600 series. I'm sure we'll talk more about them over the offseason, but the 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,799 conversation ran like I think it was over half an hour close to it, 12 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,039 and then because shout out to Grant, it was obviously later on the East 13 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:02,799 Coast when we did it, which is where I live and he's in the 14 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,400 West Coast. But when me Grant first linked up to do this podcast, 15 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,079 we had known each other for years. He was only going to do like 16 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,560 an episode a week or an episode every other week, and he's given enough 17 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:17,480 time to this podcast where he's on two episodes a week, three episodes a 18 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:19,359 week, and so shout out to him. We were supposed to make this 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,439 a quick conversation, it turned into basically its own podcast because we did stat 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,159 padding, which is guess a player for anyone who's new around here afterwards. 21 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:30,239 So just wanted to shout out Grant. Just the time comitment he has given 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,959 this thing is above and beyond anything I ever could have expected, asked for. 23 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:38,120 Still grateful to have him as my co host, friend, colleague, 24 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:42,760 the whole nine, and certainly more grateful for him than the the butt ass 25 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:47,840 NBA games. We got through the first steal Pelicans thunders on right now recording 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,959 this very quickly. I'm going to edit it the podcast throwed up before, 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,920 like while I'm watching that game. But the first three games were not pretty 28 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,280 anyway, I'm digressing. We talked about the Warriors, some stat padding, 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,400 guests, a player, and just a programming. Not because we've been teasing 30 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:01,480 it and we're really excited about it. We've been thinking a lot about it. 31 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,560 We're going to do our biggest miss for every single team. I think 32 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:08,960 that will go live at some point this week, so that'll be exciting and 33 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,560 we'll be tackling big picture stuff. We'll have playoff reactions. If you could 34 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,199 hear Cosmo winding next to me in the background, very restless right now rough 35 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:21,439 day around these parts. But we're gonna have that go live when we're gonna 36 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:24,199 be talking more big picture things. We'll have some playoff reactions, I think 37 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:28,680 at the end of the week, but that you're gonna be inundated with that 38 00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:31,000 coverage. So we're gonna probably try and sprinkle in an episode of two a 39 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,000 week where not that it's not related to the playoffs, but maybe it's not 40 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,159 related to the playoffs. Maybe it's the playoffs and something else. So I 41 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:40,000 think that'll be a good change of pace. Especially, Look, more than 42 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:45,439 half the league is technically or about half the league is out, so if 43 00:02:45,439 --> 00:02:47,680 you're fans of those teams, you're gonna want to maybe listen to something that's 44 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,599 a different speed. And there will be teams that are eliminated in the days 45 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,840 and weeks to come. But Cosmo's getting restless. I'm already talking longer than 46 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,319 I wanted to. Let's get right into the discussion about the Golden State Warriors 47 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:01,479 with me and Graham and then like I promise that we'll be guests a player 48 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:07,639 stat padding It's lots of fun. Please very very quickly, again, just 49 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,360 subscribe like the video if you haven't already. Comment the likes and the comments. 50 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,159 They really do help the algorithm, as do shares, email it to 51 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:16,319 yourself, click on that link, email to friends, spam accounts, whatever, 52 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,479 really juice up those numbers to help us pop a little bit more. 53 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,000 On YouTube. We keep getting these comments about how underrated we are. I 54 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,840 appreciate them. Let's make us properly rated. So let's help the algorithm love 55 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,240 us back across all platforms. If you're on Twitter, retweet the promos on 56 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:34,439 it, or like I said, just tell people about us and join our 57 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:38,840 discord the link that's in the podcast and YouTube description without further delay. Let's 58 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:44,199 talk about where the Golden State Warriors go from here, if anywhere, I 59 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:49,599 want to ask you about the Golden State Warriors, who we'll get into more 60 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:53,240 post mortems and as more teams get eliminated, or we'll do something maybe because 61 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,719 I'm not trying to short shrift to you know, any of the other teams 62 00:03:57,759 --> 00:04:00,719 have been eliminated so far, but that feels more like an interesting exercise after 63 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,479 the first round. However, I honestly I tweeted this out and I meant 64 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:13,120 it. I have no idea where the Warriors ken should or must go from 65 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:19,000 here, and the cold calculated dynasty is dead route consists of letting Clay Thompson 66 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,879 walk shopping Draymond Green and then asking Curry whether he wants to be a part 67 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,439 of what's next or does he want to get moved. That's not happening here. 68 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:30,879 There is a human element. You already had Steve Kerr thom about how 69 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,759 they need Klay Thompson back, who is still a useful player. He's not 70 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:39,639 Klay Thompson and he shouldn't be getting minutes over. He probably shouldn't be closing 71 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,040 games at the highest level at this point. I think that's kind of fair 72 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,920 to say. Well confuses me most about the Warriors, and I still just 73 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,600 don't have a pulse for what lakeup and just the ownership group is willing to 74 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:57,519 pay for this team is The Warriors exist in this weird space where you go 75 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,360 through them individually and you can lie like a lot of the players and what 76 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:03,360 they can do on this roster, Chris Paul, Trace, Jackson, Davis, 77 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,759 Brandon Prijemski. The list just goes on, even like the version of 78 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:10,600 Andrew Wiggins. You get every fifth Night or whatever it is at this point, 79 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,319 but they're in this weird space where they're neither Barren nor Good, and 80 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:20,800 so I don't know what that leaves you to do. There's an obligation because 81 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,959 I think what makes the Warrior situation truly unique, aside like the people that 82 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,560 just want to claim the dynasty is dead that Steph Curry might have lost a 83 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:32,439 step he's still a Kent All Star, and so you were both. You're 84 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:38,720 not just obligated, but you're you're probably inclined to want to reopen his title 85 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:43,920 window. I don't know how they do that because they do have assets, 86 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,839 pods, Tray Jackson, Davis Kaminga, even Moses Moody. Those are guys 87 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,759 that will have interest and you can trade. It'll be two first round picks 88 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:56,360 and three swaps or whatever they'll have this summer. But like who is the 89 00:05:56,439 --> 00:06:00,240 player, Like who is the guy that were or the series of moves that 90 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,879 get you back to title contention and if you can't do that, because I've 91 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:08,800 even thought about, like Larry Market's a name I keep coming back to. 92 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:12,079 I expect him to get the renegotiating extend with Utah, but let's say they 93 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:15,160 don't. He's someone who makes a lot of sense for this roster. You 94 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:18,800 allow you can play him Draymond TJD if he's still around after that trade with 95 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:23,519 Steph, and then who's left over on the perimeter is comingo left over? 96 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,519 Like you could play those lineups and be kind of super huge and versatile at 97 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,079 the same time, but like it feels like they need they need a star, 98 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:39,120 but it needs to be like someone who can generate their own looks and 99 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:45,600 absurdly high quality, and that player doesn't seem like they're gonna be available unless 100 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,959 you're making wholesale concessions to the way that you would prefer to play, where 101 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:53,439 it's we need to go after Donovan Mitchell or Srey Young or someone along those 102 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:58,600 lines. Yeah, I guess, like the sense I'm getting from some of 103 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:02,560 the exit interviews, and I guess, which is just bolstered by like looking 104 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,279 at the cap sheet and looking at where these players are, is that like 105 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:15,600 you don't hear the Warriors talking in terms of like building the next title team, 106 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:20,439 it's more framed around like, let's keep this group together, let's try 107 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,959 to win. Like Steph Curry said, like I just want to win. 108 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:30,040 Whatever that looks like, I think was the quote. I think the expectations 109 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,560 are just lower now, so which is weird because to your point, like 110 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,959 Steph Curry is still someone that you would say, like is owed a chance 111 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:43,800 to compete at the highest level, and like, while he's not a top 112 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:47,079 five guy anymore, you could theoretically build a roster around him where he's still 113 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,879 your best player and you are a top tier contender. I mean, at 114 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:56,639 least that was probably true this year. If he continues like just little incremental 115 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,600 declines, that maybe is not true next year, for example, when he's 116 00:07:59,639 --> 00:08:03,000 like gonna be thirty six turning thirty seven, right, Like that's just kind 117 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:09,800 of unrealistic. I think, Yeah, so I sort of never skew this 118 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,639 way, But I don't know who that. I don't think there's a player 119 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:20,519 out there that they can realistically acquire that like you know what you're talking about, 120 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,120 please go bad in the playoffs. He's had wandering eyes before. But 121 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,160 if they kind of just look, everybody involved is just like we need each 122 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:31,440 other now again where it was a luxury last time. Kevin Durant requesting a 123 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:35,240 trade from the Suns, is that just not enough at this point. I 124 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:39,679 mean I thought you were gonna say Yiannis when you started, like they they 125 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:45,000 just don't have the They can put everything on the table and they just don't. 126 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,279 They don't have enough to get because it's like Kaminga's approaching his next deal, 127 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:52,559 You're probably gonna get more like raw draft picks from someone else. So 128 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,679 yeah, no, I mean, like sure if if Durant were to come 129 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,720 back, and even if he continues like whatever trajectory he's on as he gets 130 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,320 later into his thirties, just like the minutes that go to him versus Clay 131 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:13,000 who so like Clay you said, like, I think he definitely still has 132 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:16,000 value. But he's the type of player now where it's like if you put 133 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,840 him in the game and he's not hot right away, he needs to come 134 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:24,919 out and he can't be someone that like you live or die by. He 135 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,639 needs to almost be a luxury and he's gonna need to be paid that way. 136 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,720 So it's like, I don't know that he's going to be back if 137 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:35,519 if that is the case, I also think though, that he looks a 138 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:39,960 lot better on another team where it's one you don't have tattooed to memory what 139 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:43,159 he was for sure. Two you have the infrastructure around him to where you 140 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,759 don't even need to sniff, yeah, what he was at either end of 141 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:50,840 the floor to where I know the magic or a team that's mentioned a bunch, 142 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:54,039 even like the Pistons, like that's not what Clay can still do, 143 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,440 looks really good on those teams. It's just that the Warriors, it's not 144 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,200 even clinging to the idea of what he was, it's just the fact that 145 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:07,919 they don't have enough to allow him to age and evolve gracefully. Yeah. 146 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,320 And I think the first thing you said is the hardest part is like it 147 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:15,480 might be easier for him to age someplace else where they say you just catch 148 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,440 and shoot now, like that's your job. But with the Warriors, he's 149 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,120 got all these like ingrain memories of being so much more involved, and it's 150 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:26,200 just harder to turn that switch off, Like you could tell against the Kings 151 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,440 in that first in that playing game, like his first shot was a contested 152 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:31,879 two off the dribble where he pumped picked a couple of times, and it's 153 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:35,120 just like I've seen this game before, Like this is gonna be a bad 154 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,320 night if he's like even considering that shot. So if you could anyway, 155 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,240 we're getting kind of too far afield. I think I texted some friends about 156 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,720 this, like, uh, as the game was before the game was over 157 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:50,440 against the Kings, it was like the problem with the Warriors is they're both 158 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:56,159 cooked and half baked, and it's just like the old guys, the old 159 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,720 guys are too old to do it. The young guys either are never going 160 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:05,440 to be good enough or just certainly aren't ready yet. So it's like you 161 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,440 could call it the two timelines problem if you want. It's like proof of 162 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:11,200 like this doesn't work, although it did work two years ago. Uh. 163 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,639 Like it's just there's this gulf right where like right in the middle there should 164 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,320 be where Andrew Wiggins is, Like I got it, guys, and he's 165 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:22,519 just not because he's in his late twenties and like he's in his you know, 166 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,600 he's not thirty four and he's not twenty two. He's right in the 167 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,679 middle, and that's probably the guy you look to trade. I think if 168 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,519 he has positive value at all, like it just because you're not getting I'm 169 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,519 wondering if they would use Moses Moody. If you could just ship him and 170 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,559 Moses Moody into Toronto's cap space, you plably need take back a smaller contract 171 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,799 like Jalen McDaniels is expiring. Would they consider just getting us and not reach 172 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,480 that point because it's, oh, we can still hit threes, and the 173 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:52,559 idea of him defensively makes a ton of sense. I just don't know, 174 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,200 Okay, well, what's the odds of him hitting his peak when we also 175 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:03,159 need to play Jonathan Minga right, TJD and Draymond Green. Don't you think 176 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,080 the wisest, like slash, most realistic path is to if you do move 177 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,360 off Wiggins, you're not replacing him with someone. And it's like these are 178 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:13,879 Kaminga and Moody's minutes now for better or worse, Like we're not gonna dick 179 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:20,279 around with Moody than anybody but Moody's minutes. No, Moody has to play 180 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,960 now, like we've we've tried not playing Moody. I just it's I think 181 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:30,120 I think he just has done enough to warrant like you're gonna play every night 182 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,080 from now because like, he what do we do, Like what did Wiggins 183 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,120 do this season, like on a consistent basis to justify like, Okay, 184 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:41,639 next year it's gonna be different, you know, like at some point this 185 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,759 is all presuming you can move Wiggins without giving up stuff, which I don't 186 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:50,080 know if that's the case. I think it's the case that you could, 187 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,879 but probably yeah, I just don't know. So it's kind of like I 188 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:58,799 think Chris Paul is probably gonna be gone, uh like just because you've got 189 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,240 to cut that salary. This is again this team's trying to get like back 190 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,639 under the tax potentially to reset the repeaters. Like it's just I don't know 191 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:11,279 how you do that without making major cuts beyond it. And it also makes 192 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,120 going out and getting a good enough player that much harder, right when the 193 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:18,000 specter of the finances. I just want to throw some names at you to 194 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:24,360 where would you because it seems like you're kind of not that you're on board, 195 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,720 but you understand them. Well, it's just Stam Patt developed the young 196 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:30,240 guys and hope they're ready to you know, lead the wards into the next 197 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:33,240 era when they're more flexible, have more assets, are cheaper and leaner and 198 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,159 can do that stuff. I'm just said there are some names that you to 199 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:37,039 wear. You don't at the get in the trade backtors. But I'm telling 200 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:43,000 you right now the Warriors can trade for these players that it could cost everything 201 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,399 may have it could like are you saying yes or no? If you just 202 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:48,080 this is forget the other? Maybe these all these guys requested to trade a 203 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:58,000 Golden State Kevin Durant, Yeah, Michale Bridges yeah, really yeah, like 204 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,320 just as let's let's say I know when gonna get into it, but it's 205 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,679 like him instead of Wiggins or him instead of Wiggins and Moody and Gary trying 206 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,360 to think of like knowing the opportunity cost is going to be some of your 207 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,320 last just trade chips, like players in prospects. I thought you would want 208 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,240 someone higher end, So I feel like this is gonna gets a lot easier, 209 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:22,159 so lowry marketed. I like him less actually than either of the two 210 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,759 previous two guys you named. It's not really an insult when it's Michael bridgucing, 211 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,919 right, But I mean, like I don't want to say no to 212 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,320 that. It's like, I don't know what am I gonna say no to 213 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,759 in this? I'm getting there? Okay, Trey Young, No there you 214 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:45,200 got there, Darius Garland, No, just because Steph's gonna be there and 215 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,000 I don't know. I just you can't play those guys together. Yoh honest, 216 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:52,120 Yeah, of course that's the one guy I think, like, if 217 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,519 you really wanted like the long shot, you got another one. Yeah, 218 00:14:56,559 --> 00:15:01,879 Donovan Mitchell, I got more. I like Mitchell less than everyone you've mentioned 219 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:07,200 other than Trey Young Fair, Jaylen Brown. Oh yeah, I mean yeah, 220 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:15,240 Wembat No, Steph's gonna go play with Wenby. Did you see the 221 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,399 odds where if not the Warriors, STEP's most likely next team is the Spurs. 222 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:22,320 Oh that makes a lot of sense, of course, like a plus 223 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:26,960 four when Wemby and Trey Jones, imagine just replacing the Trey Jones minutes was 224 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:31,639 He's a little better, He's still got it. He still got it on 225 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:35,600 Trey Jones, I think we can say, okay Joel embiid Oh yeah, 226 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:39,960 really that changes everything. There's probably no Draam on there anymore, which is 227 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,799 which is fine. You gotta move on eventually, and like if you're gonna 228 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:48,799 move, so to appease Steph in moving off of either Green or Klay Thompson, 229 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,600 it almost has to be someone like of undeniable, like oh yeah, 230 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,200 we're not gonna say no to Joel embiid right, Like maybe that's the threshold 231 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,080 test, Like would Steph be cool with you can get this guy, but 232 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,639 you don't have Draymond and or Clay anymore? I think MBT he would say, 233 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:07,080 like, all right, I could deal with that. I don't mean 234 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:14,679 to give you PTSD, but LaMelo ball Oh interesting. I don't hate the 235 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,960 fit with Steph. Honestly, I don't know how serious of a basketball player 236 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,480 he is, though, I guess I guess i'd say, what could I 237 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:29,000 could I trade him for James Wiseman if I if we got yeah, get 238 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,919 a time machine? Right? Oh boy, yeah that's sure. I'll take 239 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,879 LaMelo. Why not Lebron? Yeah? I think yeah. I think like 240 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:41,919 so you're just you're open to just like the window is going to be super 241 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:44,120 short when we fucked at the end of it. But like I'm probing, 242 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:49,080 yeah, like it's not me Yeah right, Randall, No, keep him 243 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,039 away from my team. Grant has not mentioned we've been recording with each other 244 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:56,559 for like four hours, and he is there. You can name the rooms 245 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,360 that you use to record in, and he has not mentioned the name of 246 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:06,039 this room at all. That's because I just noticed it. Why are there 247 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,519 nine and ninety seven reasons why Grant Hues thinks the Warriors should should trade for 248 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:15,079 Julius Randall. That's nine hundred and ninety seven more reasons than I could think 249 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,559 of with the gun to my head. I think I had a couple more 250 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:25,440 Karl Anthony towns. I kind of would say, no, I don't think 251 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:27,039 I don't know what he's getting. Yeah, what he's getting. Yet, 252 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:30,839 I think that's perfectly reasonable. I think that's probably it. Now, I'd 253 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:37,200 be like venturing into the realm of well, well they can't and a lot 254 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,440 if you opt in Paul George, Yeah, I think that would be Again, 255 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:45,759 it's just like what if we had someone that was just better. Well, 256 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:51,160 here's an interesting thought exercise. Paul George can opt in and be traded 257 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,160 to you, or you can just flat out trade for Kawhi. I might 258 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,599 prefer the Paul George option. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, yeah, 259 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:00,880 yeah, the health stuff again, Yeah, right, It's like, 260 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,480 well, if we had this conversation like two weeks, well how long Kai 261 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:08,759 basically hasn't played in April in mid March, it'd be like give me Kawhi, 262 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,039 you know. But but now now that he's hurt again, it's like 263 00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:18,039 I can't deal with this. It's too uncertain. Jaron Jackson Junior. That's 264 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,759 a fun one. Yeah, as like the as the the Draymond replacement essentially, 265 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:30,319 because well, although you could play those two, that was what was 266 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,599 the Oh so my my other spicy one is just like if things go to 267 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,720 crap in Phoenix, everyone's waiting for Kevin Durrant to request that maybe he does 268 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:41,039 request out. Devin Booker is kind of sitting there going doesn't doesn't Devin Booker 269 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:44,960 have the I don't know why. I think this is just like he's been 270 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,000 there for like a sneaky long time. He's been through, Like we made 271 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:51,880 the finals with this one group. Now that group is gone, we have 272 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,640 this other group. Nothing lasts forever, Like Devin Booker is not going to 273 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,440 finish his career in Phoenix. I don't think that's pretty rare. So he 274 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:03,839 always feels like the next like not just a contract until like twenty fifty or 275 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:07,680 whatever. He's the next It's so the next crop is like we're already into 276 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,400 it, but like Trey and Cat, and then Embiid probably gets back into 277 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,039 that conversation pretty soon, and then after that it'll be like book well, 278 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,599 Jalen Brown will be probably in the in the second wave, and then eventually 279 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,519 we'll start talking about Devin Booker's next team. So why not now, Uh, 280 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Luca would be an easy one, right, I just yeah, I 281 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,359 mean most of them are easy if I don't know what I have to give 282 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,200 up, Like well, like he'd cost you everything, Yeah, he cost 283 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:37,200 you everything. Well, Lucas certainly does, Embiid certainly does. Yeah, 284 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:45,160 I just like it if you can get All NBA Calidi, No, I 285 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,799 don't think so. All right, Yeah, we finally found like one that 286 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,920 was like controversial be really the others I was expecting there to be more like 287 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:59,400 especially the lowry marketings Michale Bridges is where yeah, you know, like even 288 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,319 Jalen Brown, you say, no, I'm using him an example like an 289 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:04,400 exemplar where it's well, that dude might make a second All NBA team, 290 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,720 so you know, he could be one of the fifteen to twenty best players 291 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,160 in an a given season, So I'm expecting you to be a little bit 292 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,079 more. Well, it's because it's like they don't the way you framed it 293 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:21,000 correctly, what my where my thoughts are. It's just like they don't have 294 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:25,200 a championship ceiling or a real way to get there that I can see. 295 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,880 And so like if you're telling me you can add like a really exciting all 296 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:37,519 NBA level guy, like I'm interested because here's here's one Zion. Oh man, 297 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,559 I mean you are probably still having to give up everything for that. 298 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,119 Yeah, I feel like you would have to do it. You do, 299 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:48,079 I just like, what if? What if? So the only thing the 300 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:52,759 worst case scenario is you make the drastic move and the guy's never healthy, 301 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,160 you know, like and he in Zion is kind of in the Kauhi camp 302 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,920 of like even no more so than why I think where You're just like it 303 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:04,400 could all be over tomorrow for the whole What also makes this difficult, So 304 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,640 basically with every single one of these players, maybe the Warriors would be willing 305 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,319 to give up more for them than other teams because of their Like Kevin Durant 306 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,240 in theory, would the Warriors be willing to give up more for Kevin Durant 307 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:21,200 than the Knicks at this point. Maybe, but in the worst case, 308 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,160 they're also in this weird space where it's they have like, really what could 309 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:30,000 be a very competitive, real blockbuster trade offer that will also never probably be 310 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,920 the single or one of the two best offers that are on the table. 311 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:38,319 Yeah, I mean it could get if you throw all the picks and Kaminga 312 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,720 and like Pajemski and or Jackson Davis, Like, look, if it's Minga 313 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:48,279 pods and two first round picks, that's good, but it's like one case 314 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,119 you can come from the top rope without breaking the sweat and yeah, well, 315 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,559 I mean it would depend like it's you know, right now, I 316 00:21:56,559 --> 00:22:02,039 think there were points this year where Kaminga's value was even higher and maybe maybe 317 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:06,799 next year it'll even be higher where it's like Comingo's worth like two firsts or 318 00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:08,680 something on his own. But if if he continues to be like, oh, 319 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,960 this guy's maybe gonna threaten to be an All Star next year or something 320 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:15,960 like, it's pretty close to the Yeah, but there's they don't have the 321 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,519 ability to be like, I don't know, six firsts and Cason Wallace and 322 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,079 like lou Dort or what like, they just they can't they can't touch a 323 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:26,279 lot of the market realities. And this happens with all trades, but like 324 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,680 the Dame situation is a good example. Sometimes players are forced to go outside 325 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,799 their wishless is that they need to be at or very very close to the 326 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:38,440 top of a player's trade demand, right, which, by the way, 327 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:45,279 like hasn't really happened. I don't know that, like there aren't you know, 328 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,359 Durant signed and that was a big deal. Do you think it's mostly 329 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,359 been because players understand that the Warriors wouldn't have gone after them to be so 330 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,799 there's no leverage to be had there. And now it's a little Now it's 331 00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:56,920 different in the sense that okay, maybe they would go after me, but 332 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,920 do I want to be a member of the Warrior. Well, I I 333 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,559 was kind of angling towards the latter where it's like I still think if you 334 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:07,440 go to Golden State, you know you're gonna play a certain style and maybe 335 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,240 this changes, maybe this is part of the problem, but like you're gonna 336 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,960 play this certain style that isn't for everybody, and Draymond's makes it a weird 337 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,480 fit and Steph is always going to be the guy and like you're never you 338 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:22,319 know, it's all it's like all the stuff that Durant I think bristled at 339 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,680 towards the end, and and like it's just certain guys just don't fit. 340 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,799 And I think that feels like a known thing. It doesn't mean it has 341 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,160 to be that way forever, but like they've played a certain way for ten 342 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,440 years and it's like you got to know, you probably know what you're signing 343 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:40,599 up for if you go there now at this point, Like it's just it's 344 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:44,920 not the and like it is weird because I still even though it's such a 345 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,960 huge market in the you know, there's a fancy new arena and there's all 346 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,160 these like Silicon Valley opportunities, it doesn't feel still like it's not La it's 347 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,440 not New York. It's still not that view quite or even Houston, like 348 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,519 it's not viewed or Miami. It's not viewed the same way. I don't 349 00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:02,279 think around the league in terms of like get me there, like who's there. 350 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:06,759 Hasn't been anybody really that's been like me reports that like Giannis would want 351 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:08,440 to play for the Warriors, if it wasn't the Bucks that one time, 352 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:11,200 like yeah, before he won a title. I think, yeah, that's 353 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,119 I mean, that's that's that's the exception that proves the rule. It feels 354 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:23,599 like to me, stat panting, guess a player grant, I'll start you 355 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,000 off. Are you ready? I think so. This one's from Austin, 356 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,960 So just keep that in mind. Clue number one. I was drafted in 357 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,920 two thousand and nine and I'm currently one of eight players who are still on 358 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:41,759 an active roster. M really going back to that two thousand and nine draft, 359 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,920 well, huh, I just I feel like I never remember who's in 360 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,759 the on nine draft other than Serge Ibaka, who we just we just did. 361 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,279 Okay, go ahead, I'm not gonna one shot kill it. Clue 362 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:59,640 two. I have played for ten different NBA teams, ten teams still in 363 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:06,319 the league from nine. Hmmm. I still, I just I can't remember 364 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,119 that draft year. I don't have it. Clu three. Despite my modest 365 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,519 seven and a half points, three and a half rebounds, and two point 366 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:17,920 one assists per game for my career, I have netted eighty two plus million 367 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,000 dollars in total earnings. That's not very much for fifteen years. How much 368 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:27,759 do you make, Grant? How much does this podcast pay you? I 369 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:30,880 didn't want to tell you. It's just enough for me to scoff at eighty 370 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:37,720 million dollars eighty million, seven and a half points a game. Ten teams, 371 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:44,640 oh, nine drafts? I mean, I'm trying it. Should it 372 00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,319 just be who's a pacer that's been all over the league? Yeah? I 373 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,480 don't know. I think you'll get it. You have two I think three 374 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,319 more clues left. Who? Four? I am covered from the neck down 375 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,440 with tattoos with my son's name across my neck. To celebrate this, one 376 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,920 of my former teams had a tattoo night in which fans were given a large 377 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:10,400 temporary tattoo to put on their neck. Huh, still in the league from 378 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,599 nine A bunch of tattoos. I know you were just thinking about like j 379 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:17,359 R. Smith and is it James Johnson? That is correct. I didn't 380 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,720 get the answer from Austin, but I'm assuming that I know who it is. 381 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,839 Uh. Five? Was I'm a second degree black belt? Oh yeah, 382 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,119 with champion kickboxing parents. My dad is a seven time world champ and 383 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,079 my mother a five time national champ. I actually did not know that I 384 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960 knew about his black belt, I didn't know about his parents. More recently, 385 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,599 I was signed hours after the infamous game Ballgate to give my current team 386 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,799 a tough enforcer present. That's right. That was such a fun signing, 387 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,319 like, Oh, it's gonna be on next game. They got James Johnson. 388 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,599 The NBA is so ridiculous thinking back to the game Ballgate. See, 389 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,799 I'm trying to see if I have one for you. I don't know if 390 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:53,960 I do. I have a ton in the clip for Mike. If you 391 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,960 let me, just make sure Mike didn't send me one that I have neglected. 392 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,759 If you're ready to go ahead while I look, okay, clue number 393 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:08,640 one. I was drafted in the top ten of the nineteen ninety nine NBA 394 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:17,640 draft top ten ninety nine from this from Mike Yep, I like to I 395 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,359 like to know who I'm dealing with. It's good that it doesn't seem like 396 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,200 you're gonna one shot killed it. I feel bad like one shot killing is 397 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,920 because he gives so many clues. I know really, but that makes me 398 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,599 really want to do it. I feel so bad being so good at this 399 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,359 game. All I know, all we know is top ten in ninety nine. 400 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,440 That's the clue, correct, Dirk, Nope, incorrect, Okay, 401 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,880 clue too. As a rookie, I backed up Mitch Richmond on a team 402 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:52,000 that would win twenty nine games. Nick Young, that is incorrect. Was 403 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,720 he a ninety nine draft class member? He got too long ago. I 404 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:59,279 was just thinking of Richmond was probably on the Wizards in ninety nine. No, 405 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,839 he must it has still been on the Kings. Okay, hold on, 406 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,240 who's backing up Matt Richmond on the King's top ten? Don't? Actually, 407 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,960 I don't know where Mitt Richmond is at this point. Surprise, Mitch 408 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,079 Richmand is playing in ninety nine. First of all, Okay, what's the 409 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:15,000 next clue? Clue three? In my second year, I started playing small 410 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,880 forward to get more playing time, and as a result, I appeared in 411 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,599 seventy eight games, starting forty two. I averaged eighteen points, but on 412 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,559 a very inefficient shooting split of forty three point eight from the field and twenty 413 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:30,039 seven point four percent from deep. So it's a two to three that can't 414 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:34,839 shoot. Backed up Richmond wherever Mitt Trichmand was at the time top ten pick 415 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:44,920 in ninety nine, it's not Larry Hughes, is it? It is not 416 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,839 Larry Hughes. I like that, guess though. Clue four and my third 417 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,200 season, I moved back to shooting guard because of a new acquisition, and 418 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:55,839 my scoring improved to twenty points per game and my three point percentage hit thirty 419 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,640 eight percent. I don't even know where we are. This is the problem 420 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,400 two thousand and one. At this point oh one averaging twenty a game. 421 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,279 Yeah, I'm hung up on the Richmond thing. This always happens, and 422 00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:12,359 so now I'm like, this might be. I think this clue will turn 423 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,279 it for you. Okay, let's hear it. Clue five. I was 424 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:22,160 traded the following offseason with Bobby Simmons and Hubert Davis for Jerry Stackhouse and Cardinal 425 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:30,160 Yam. I went to won this trade, traded with with Bobby Simmons and 426 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,319 Hubert Davis. You said, yeah, so now you know the team he 427 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,400 was on, and you should know the team he was do. I want 428 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200 to say he was on the Clippers, but I don't know if that's right 429 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,440 because I think of Bobby Simmons on the Clippers for Stackhouse. So you end 430 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:52,440 up in I guess Philly or Detroit. I don't know. I don't have 431 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:56,799 it, Okay, Clue six. In my first season there, I made 432 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,160 the playoffs for the first time and helped the team rat to defeat the Magic 433 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,799 in the first round despite trailing three to one. The head coach of the 434 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:10,119 Magic was Doc Rivers, sparking memes that would last a generation. Okay, 435 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:18,839 so this is a well oh man, I think it must be getting late. 436 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:23,119 I'm all, I'm all jumbled up. Is this guy on the Bucks 437 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,880 now? Because it wasn't that the Bucks that knocked out the Magic? Is 438 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:33,720 that the McGrady series? Maybe maybe I don't know. I still don't have 439 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,440 it. I'm gonna need some more clues. Well you have like three more, 440 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,839 so okay, that's good. I so Clue number seven. In my 441 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,880 second season, I broke my nose twice. I think Grant should know by 442 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,720 now who I am? Oh it's Rip Hamilton. Yeah all right, okay. 443 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,160 Klue eight was I was on the twousand four MBA Championship with Detroit. 444 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,119 Uh clue not. I played with the Bulls from twenty eleven to twenty thirteen. 445 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,240 Clu ten I hopenly retired twenty and fifteen after I broke my foot Okay. 446 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,000 So he was on the Wizard. He was drafted by the Wizards and 447 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:07,440 he was backing up Mitch Richmond there, so I wasn't allow. I just 448 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,920 forgot he was on the Wizards. Okay, man, do you have any 449 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,799 for me? You want to do? One more? For this one? 450 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:21,079 Is I got? I got another one for you. I got actually like 451 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:26,359 two from two or three from Mike that I could go to. Yeah, 452 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,160 let me give you this one from Mike. Clue number one. I was 453 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,079 an international player drafted in two thousand and eight by the Blazers. I was 454 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,079 traded. I'll just combine these two clues. I was traded to the Bulls 455 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:44,920 on draft day. Cristianto Felicio. It's a really good guest, but that's 456 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,400 not who it is. Clue three. I came state side in twenty ten, 457 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:55,599 signing a two year deal. Drafted by the Blazers, traded to the 458 00:31:55,599 --> 00:32:05,880 Bulls. Came state side in twenty ten. I got nothing. Clue four. 459 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,480 I played in all eighty two games as a rookie, working my way 460 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:13,160 up the rotation, but broke my leg in the playoffs. Oh rookie in 461 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:20,559 the playoffs, international broke his leg. I'm the Bulls in twenty ten eleven. 462 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:22,799 At that eighty game as a rookie, I guess i'd be ten eleven. 463 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:29,480 So Derek that what is that? Derek Rose is on that team? 464 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:37,720 Louell? Dang? Uh No, that's a good guess though, all right? 465 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:42,680 Uh Clue five. I started only two games my sophomore year, but 466 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,680 was thrust into the starting lineup after an all star teammate of mine got injured. 467 00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:51,960 I was starting naming Bulls point guards. Aaron Brooks is at an international 468 00:32:51,960 --> 00:33:00,759 player? Is he? No, you're probably getting it next. Clue. 469 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:09,079 Let me trying to take another Kirk Congridge. Nope, No, oh, 470 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,400 all right, hit me again. Clue six. That off season, I 471 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,720 signed as a restricted free agent with the Rockets for twenty five point one million. 472 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,920 That off season, Bleacher Report referred to the pairing of me and fellow 473 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,079 free agency signing Jeremy Lynn as fitting together like peanut butter. Oh my god, 474 00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,200 is this your line? Peanut butter and frog meat? Do you write 475 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,400 that? I have no idea I was, so, I don't think so. 476 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,960 That feels like it could have been you. No, I wouldn't have 477 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,839 said that. Uh. I don't think I was. I don't know. 478 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,920 That could have been anybody. Uh, let's see seven my two. Yeah, 479 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,839 I'll read some more. You got it is? It is om My 480 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,599 two years in Houston didn't go well. After two seasons, I was traded 481 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:58,519 in a three team deal involving Trevor Reza, A, Lonzo g and Omri 482 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,640 Caspy fifteen. When everyone got paid, I got paid in a half, 483 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,079 signing a five year, sixty million dollars contract and being labeled as one of 484 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:07,400 the least movable deals in the league. Who gave him that? Was that 485 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:13,599 New Orleans that paid him all that money? Limited thirty one games, diagnosed 486 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,199 with Crohn's disease, losing thirty one pounds. Did not remember that traded for 487 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,360 Jamier Nelson and Tony Allen with a first for Nicole and miratych in a future 488 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:28,119 second. In twenty twenty two Bleacher Reports, Dan Favallei wrote about my placing 489 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,239 in the top fifteen of All Star voting in twenty fourteen that I quote should 490 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,559 have never sniffed the top fifty, let alone the top fifteen. Seems like 491 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:39,360 a reasonable take to me, Man, that guy's smart, all right? 492 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,719 Did you have one or you want another? One? Let me give you 493 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,599 this one is long. He's fourteen clues here, so you should if you 494 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:51,360 don't know it, you can really want the one shot kill here. Guess 495 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,400 so. And in parentheticals, this is Mike's all time favorite player. So 496 00:34:54,559 --> 00:35:02,239 no pressure. Okay, you ready. I was drafted in a class that 497 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,920 only produced three All Stars and zero Hall of Famers and was rated as the 498 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,760 worst and it was rated as the worst draft of all time by ESPN. 499 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,480 Yeah, I don't have that. Clue two. Fresh off winning a national 500 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,079 title and being a second team All American, I was taken in the first 501 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:29,280 round. Elton brand incorrect. Okay, Clue three is a rookie. I 502 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,559 started forty nine games, averaging nine point three points. I'm forty three percent 503 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:38,800 shooting and thirty eight percent three point shooting. Nope, Clue four. My 504 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,199 second season, I ut my scored a fourteen points per game, increasing my 505 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:50,199 efficiency in the process while starting fifty six of sixty three games. Said if 506 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,679 we don't have a year yet, I have no idea. U yeap, 507 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,360 keep going. Clue five and year three. I started a career high eighty 508 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,960 games, being third on the team and scoring, but essentially leading the team 509 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,880 as Vince Carter missed forty games, and our second leading scorer, Vashawn Leonard 510 00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:12,599 only played sixty three games. So Vashon Leonard and Vince Carter are the time 511 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:19,400 stamps. I mean, like, was Vashon Leonard on the Raptors? I 512 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,280 guess? I don't know. I think it was a guy that assumes Carter. 513 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:31,599 This is a Carter's Raptor? Okay, damn stodamre no, Morris Peterson? 514 00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:37,000 Correct, A nice job? Who's six? Was? It was after 515 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,400 the season and the summer times before I met an eight year old Mike Kernishon 516 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,960 at a basketball camp the Raptors lent their name to in the suburbs and spent 517 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,440 a full hour shooting hoops with him. How am I guessing it from that 518 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,480 clue? Mike? Come on, Who's seven? Well you got it beforehand? 519 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:53,920 Who gives a ship? That's true? Who's seven? The following season, 520 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,360 after Lenny Wilkins was fired, the team brought in Kevin O'Neill, who 521 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,880 had proved to be one of the worst coaches in the NBA history. Some 522 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,800 for the team included averaging eighty five point four points per game, only scoring 523 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,760 fifty six points in a loss to the Timberwolves, the lowest in the post 524 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,119 shot clock era, the team receiving a call from the NBA to ask why 525 00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:14,639 our offense was so inepted scoring, Vince Corter being so pissed off at management 526 00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:19,679 that he said he wasn't going to dunk anymore. Trading Vince Carter for Aaron 527 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,000 Williams, Eric Williams and Alonzo Morning who would never play a game in Toronto, 528 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,800 the pick that would later become Joey Graham, but could have been Danny 529 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,880 Granger, and a pick we never used that ended up being Ronaldo Balkman ah 530 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,440 nick legend Clue eight anyways, a fan favorite in Toronto, I played all 531 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:36,119 ighty two games for four straight seasons, being in and out of the lineup 532 00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,519 wile competing for the starting spot with Anthony Parker Clunine. I have one of 533 00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:42,559 the most absurd buzzer beaterers of all time to send a game against the Wizards 534 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,519 into overtime thanks to Michael Ruffin for throwing the ball into the air with enough 535 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,159 time for me to catch it and heave it. These were the only points 536 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,800 I scored in the game. Clu ten. After the two thousand and six 537 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,760 and seven season the team that my deal expire and I signed with the New 538 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,559 Orleans Hornets on a four year, twenty three million dollars contract. Clue eleven 539 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,000 time Horns was underwhelming, as I averaged single digit points in my shooting had 540 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,159 fallen off Clue twelve. I retired in twenty eleven after I was traded from 541 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,000 Okse to Charlotte and waved four days later Clue thirteen. I spent time as 542 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,280 an analyst in Toronto from twenty fifteen until twenty seventeen, leaving the company as 543 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,679 behind the scenes. I didn't get along with Raptors color commentator Jack Armstrong, 544 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,760 and I was never really a great analyst to begin with. Final clue, 545 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,719 I am third all time in Raptor's history for games played, third and threes, 546 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,360 made seventh in points and tenth and rebounds. Shit, I never would 547 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,480 have gotten that. By the way, what's that he said? Who's not 548 00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,960 getting along with Jack Armstrong? I've never met him, but he's saying he 549 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,440 sounds like a lot of fun on the broadcast, you know, do you 550 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,000 want to give me one more? And then muskie daddle? Sure? All 551 00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:45,320 right? This is also from Mike. This is this is a tough one, 552 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,559 although actually I believe in you. Clue number one. I was drafted 553 00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,559 eighteenth overall in two thousand and one. My brother went in the second round 554 00:38:54,639 --> 00:39:05,079 in the same draft one and they had a brother. This brother. The 555 00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,199 brother had the same last name. I mean, are we allowed to ask 556 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,800 questions? I yes, yes, it is the same last name. They're 557 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:21,119 actual, for real brothers. Two thousand and one. All right, so 558 00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:27,519 at least you know what's not a plumb way. I really want to have, 559 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,000 like a guests but I don't even I'm thinking of brothers and relatives from 560 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:37,840 that era and I got nothing two thousand to two thousand and one, all 561 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000 right, keep going, Clutu. As a rookie, I was a key 562 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:52,360 contributor for a finals contender Nope, Clue three. During my rookie season, 563 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,440 I made the controversial decision to state on camera that I was two inches shorter 564 00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:00,440 than I was listed as in college. I don't remember, uh you uh 565 00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:04,119 four. As a second year player, I beat out a future Hall of 566 00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:07,280 Famer for a starting spot and would go on to start one hundred and forty 567 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,119 four games over the next two seasons. This led to me signing a five 568 00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:17,000 year, twenty five million dollar extension in two thousand and four. This is 569 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:23,440 Andre Miller. Did he have a brother? Nope? Ready for Clue five? 570 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,239 Clue five. In two thousand and eight, I was traded to Memphis 571 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:38,400 for stro Miles Swift. Oh, you traded to Memphis for stro Miles Swift. 572 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,599 No, I still don't have it. Who's six? On Draft Day 573 00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,639 in two thousand and eight, I was part of the infamous Kevin Love for 574 00:40:45,719 --> 00:41:01,039 oj Mayo trade and landed in Minnesota's part of the Oj Mayo trade that wasn't 575 00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:10,159 Ah, it's not Robert Taylor, is it. Nope? I think he 576 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,519 was the Dirk trade. All right, you're getting it on this one. 577 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:19,519 You're ready. Clue seven. I bounced around the league for a couple of 578 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:23,199 years before making headlines for my bravery, becoming the first active player in any 579 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:29,639 of the four major leagues to ever come out as gay. Oh Jaron Collins, 580 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:35,519 the other one, the other Collins, Not the other guy. Oh 581 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:42,480 my god, for the other Collins. His first name is very close to 582 00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:47,559 the name you said, Jarn Jared Jeff. Why, oh my god, 583 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,559 this is a first and Guessa player. You know who it is. But 584 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:57,480 you can't remember the first name. Oh, I mean, I could give 585 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,480 you more clues, but they're not going to help the brother of mine. 586 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:04,320 This is Clue ten. The brother of mine from Klue one is my identical 587 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,280 twin. Who is the top assistant for the Pelicans who you just named Jared 588 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:16,639 Collins. So Jared College. You said it's similar, Jeff, I would 589 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:22,440 say, I think like for people my age, among men, it's like 590 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:31,960 the most common first name Jim, James, Jack. Why why I don't 591 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:42,679 know how long to let you even real people My brain is so to be 592 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,039 fair, it is after two in the morning. It's really late. Would 593 00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:51,519 you like me to tell you because you clearly know who it is Jordan College. 594 00:42:51,840 --> 00:43:00,000 No, you have the first letter and the last letter. Correct what 595 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:06,519 I said, Jaren, or said Jordan and Jaren for that matter. Awesome, 596 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:15,679 Jayden, Nope, this is such a good podcasting, right you just 597 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:23,239 I can't. I don't feel like he's so mad when you tell me who 598 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:29,360 it is. I don't know how to tell you how how common of a 599 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:37,920 name this is. It's like it's like the Michael of like j names. 600 00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:45,440 I have no idea. Maybe maybe in New York it's not a common name. 601 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:49,440 I feel like in California I had, like even now I have, 602 00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,440 I have to like use their last names because I have multiple friends who have 603 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:59,400 this first name. But John No, that's probably more common. But I 604 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:06,760 don't know for people my age, it's not Johnson Collins. Is that a 605 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:14,280 person? Now you're making it. Now you're, Oh, this is so 606 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,840 much fun. I do you have to let me tell you? I get 607 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,400 so it's j H, the first letters J, the last letters. There's 608 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,559 got to be like a vowel, you're you're. Oh, you've overthought it 609 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:39,199 by like a million percent at this point, I well, how can I 610 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:45,800 give you clues without giving it away? I mean, I can think of 611 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,000 an NBA head coach with this first name. I can think of many many 612 00:44:52,159 --> 00:45:01,360 NBA players with this first name. Head coach Joe College. No, it's 613 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:07,119 not Joe, it's not Johnson, it's not jack Get I'm thinking of. 614 00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,760 I'm running through all the NBA head coaches in my head right now. Oh, 615 00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:17,239 I read Jason Collins. It is there, it is. I'm clapping 616 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:23,000 for you. Oh that was peak post two am It gets rough out here, 617 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:29,719 trying to try to guess things knowing the lesser known of the right yeah 618 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,119 you go, well, like Jared has been like more because he was on 619 00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,559 the yeah now yeah for a while. But yeah, hey, you know 620 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:44,239 what you got it? Please just take us out of here, like I 621 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,280 have to give him a shout out somehow. Uh. Thanks everybody for listening, 622 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,920 Thanks for contributing your guest player clues, especially the last one. Uh. 623 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,079 Really enjoyable time for me. If you haven't already, rate, review, 624 00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:02,480 subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or on YouTube, just thumbs up positive 625 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,960 comments. All this stuff helps scrow the podcast. Tell your friends, tell 626 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,360 your enemies, join our discord. The links for how to do that in 627 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,679 the YouTube and podcast description, as are the links to check out our merchant 628 00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:16,599 that's gonna do it. Shout out Frank Lakina apologies Jared Allen. Second shout 629 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:17,840 out Jason Collins.