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a long discussion about where the Golden State Warriors kind of go after their playoff
series. I'm sure we'll talk more about them over the offseason, but the
conversation ran like I think it was over half an hour close to it,
and then because shout out to Grant, it was obviously later on the East
Coast when we did it, which is where I live and he's in the
West Coast. But when me Grant first linked up to do this podcast,
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an episode a week or an episode every other week, and he's given enough
time to this podcast where he's on two episodes a week, three episodes a
week, and so shout out to him. We were supposed to make this
a quick conversation, it turned into basically its own podcast because we did stat
padding, which is guess a player for anyone who's new around here afterwards.
So just wanted to shout out Grant. Just the time comitment he has given
this thing is above and beyond anything I ever could have expected, asked for.
Still grateful to have him as my co host, friend, colleague,
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talk about where the Golden State Warriors go from here, if anywhere, I
want to ask you about the Golden State Warriors, who we'll get into more
post mortems and as more teams get eliminated, or we'll do something maybe because
I'm not trying to short shrift to you know, any of the other teams
have been eliminated so far, but that feels more like an interesting exercise after
the first round. However, I honestly I tweeted this out and I meant
it. I have no idea where the Warriors ken should or must go from
here, and the cold calculated dynasty is dead route consists of letting Clay Thompson
walk shopping Draymond Green and then asking Curry whether he wants to be a part
of what's next or does he want to get moved. That's not happening here.
There is a human element. You already had Steve Kerr thom about how
they need Klay Thompson back, who is still a useful player. He's not
Klay Thompson and he shouldn't be getting minutes over. He probably shouldn't be closing
games at the highest level at this point. I think that's kind of fair
to say. Well confuses me most about the Warriors, and I still just
don't have a pulse for what lakeup and just the ownership group is willing to
pay for this team is The Warriors exist in this weird space where you go
through them individually and you can lie like a lot of the players and what
they can do on this roster, Chris Paul, Trace, Jackson, Davis,
Brandon Prijemski. The list just goes on, even like the version of
Andrew Wiggins. You get every fifth Night or whatever it is at this point,
but they're in this weird space where they're neither Barren nor Good, and
so I don't know what that leaves you to do. There's an obligation because
I think what makes the Warrior situation truly unique, aside like the people that
just want to claim the dynasty is dead that Steph Curry might have lost a
step he's still a Kent All Star, and so you were both. You're
not just obligated, but you're you're probably inclined to want to reopen his title
window. I don't know how they do that because they do have assets,
pods, Tray Jackson, Davis Kaminga, even Moses Moody. Those are guys
that will have interest and you can trade. It'll be two first round picks
and three swaps or whatever they'll have this summer. But like who is the
player, Like who is the guy that were or the series of moves that
get you back to title contention and if you can't do that, because I've
even thought about, like Larry Market's a name I keep coming back to.
I expect him to get the renegotiating extend with Utah, but let's say they
don't. He's someone who makes a lot of sense for this roster. You
allow you can play him Draymond TJD if he's still around after that trade with
Steph, and then who's left over on the perimeter is comingo left over?
Like you could play those lineups and be kind of super huge and versatile at
the same time, but like it feels like they need they need a star,
but it needs to be like someone who can generate their own looks and
absurdly high quality, and that player doesn't seem like they're gonna be available unless
you're making wholesale concessions to the way that you would prefer to play, where
it's we need to go after Donovan Mitchell or Srey Young or someone along those
lines. Yeah, I guess, like the sense I'm getting from some of
the exit interviews, and I guess, which is just bolstered by like looking
at the cap sheet and looking at where these players are, is that like
you don't hear the Warriors talking in terms of like building the next title team,
it's more framed around like, let's keep this group together, let's try
to win. Like Steph Curry said, like I just want to win.
Whatever that looks like, I think was the quote. I think the expectations
are just lower now, so which is weird because to your point, like
Steph Curry is still someone that you would say, like is owed a chance
to compete at the highest level, and like, while he's not a top
five guy anymore, you could theoretically build a roster around him where he's still
your best player and you are a top tier contender. I mean, at
least that was probably true this year. If he continues like just little incremental
declines, that maybe is not true next year, for example, when he's
like gonna be thirty six turning thirty seven, right, Like that's just kind
of unrealistic. I think, Yeah, so I sort of never skew this
way, But I don't know who that. I don't think there's a player
out there that they can realistically acquire that like you know what you're talking about,
please go bad in the playoffs. He's had wandering eyes before. But
if they kind of just look, everybody involved is just like we need each
other now again where it was a luxury last time. Kevin Durant requesting a
trade from the Suns, is that just not enough at this point. I
mean I thought you were gonna say Yiannis when you started, like they they
just don't have the They can put everything on the table and they just don't.
They don't have enough to get because it's like Kaminga's approaching his next deal,
You're probably gonna get more like raw draft picks from someone else. So
yeah, no, I mean, like sure if if Durant were to come
back, and even if he continues like whatever trajectory he's on as he gets
later into his thirties, just like the minutes that go to him versus Clay
who so like Clay you said, like, I think he definitely still has
value. But he's the type of player now where it's like if you put
him in the game and he's not hot right away, he needs to come
out and he can't be someone that like you live or die by. He
needs to almost be a luxury and he's gonna need to be paid that way.
So it's like, I don't know that he's going to be back if
if that is the case, I also think though, that he looks a
lot better on another team where it's one you don't have tattooed to memory what
he was for sure. Two you have the infrastructure around him to where you
don't even need to sniff, yeah, what he was at either end of
the floor to where I know the magic or a team that's mentioned a bunch,
even like the Pistons, like that's not what Clay can still do,
looks really good on those teams. It's just that the Warriors, it's not
even clinging to the idea of what he was, it's just the fact that
they don't have enough to allow him to age and evolve gracefully. Yeah.
And I think the first thing you said is the hardest part is like it
might be easier for him to age someplace else where they say you just catch
and shoot now, like that's your job. But with the Warriors, he's
got all these like ingrain memories of being so much more involved, and it's
just harder to turn that switch off, Like you could tell against the Kings
in that first in that playing game, like his first shot was a contested
two off the dribble where he pumped picked a couple of times, and it's
just like I've seen this game before, Like this is gonna be a bad
night if he's like even considering that shot. So if you could anyway,
we're getting kind of too far afield. I think I texted some friends about
this, like, uh, as the game was before the game was over
against the Kings, it was like the problem with the Warriors is they're both
cooked and half baked, and it's just like the old guys, the old
guys are too old to do it. The young guys either are never going
to be good enough or just certainly aren't ready yet. So it's like you
could call it the two timelines problem if you want. It's like proof of
like this doesn't work, although it did work two years ago. Uh.
Like it's just there's this gulf right where like right in the middle there should
be where Andrew Wiggins is, Like I got it, guys, and he's
just not because he's in his late twenties and like he's in his you know,
he's not thirty four and he's not twenty two. He's right in the
middle, and that's probably the guy you look to trade. I think if
he has positive value at all, like it just because you're not getting I'm
wondering if they would use Moses Moody. If you could just ship him and
Moses Moody into Toronto's cap space, you plably need take back a smaller contract
like Jalen McDaniels is expiring. Would they consider just getting us and not reach
that point because it's, oh, we can still hit threes, and the
idea of him defensively makes a ton of sense. I just don't know,
Okay, well, what's the odds of him hitting his peak when we also
need to play Jonathan Minga right, TJD and Draymond Green. Don't you think
the wisest, like slash, most realistic path is to if you do move
off Wiggins, you're not replacing him with someone. And it's like these are
Kaminga and Moody's minutes now for better or worse, Like we're not gonna dick
around with Moody than anybody but Moody's minutes. No, Moody has to play
now, like we've we've tried not playing Moody. I just it's I think
I think he just has done enough to warrant like you're gonna play every night
from now because like, he what do we do, Like what did Wiggins
do this season, like on a consistent basis to justify like, Okay,
next year it's gonna be different, you know, like at some point this
is all presuming you can move Wiggins without giving up stuff, which I don't
know if that's the case. I think it's the case that you could,
but probably yeah, I just don't know. So it's kind of like I
think Chris Paul is probably gonna be gone, uh like just because you've got
to cut that salary. This is again this team's trying to get like back
under the tax potentially to reset the repeaters. Like it's just I don't know
how you do that without making major cuts beyond it. And it also makes
going out and getting a good enough player that much harder, right when the
specter of the finances. I just want to throw some names at you to
where would you because it seems like you're kind of not that you're on board,
but you understand them. Well, it's just Stam Patt developed the young
guys and hope they're ready to you know, lead the wards into the next
era when they're more flexible, have more assets, are cheaper and leaner and
can do that stuff. I'm just said there are some names that you to
wear. You don't at the get in the trade backtors. But I'm telling
you right now the Warriors can trade for these players that it could cost everything
may have it could like are you saying yes or no? If you just
this is forget the other? Maybe these all these guys requested to trade a
Golden State Kevin Durant, Yeah, Michale Bridges yeah, really yeah, like
just as let's let's say I know when gonna get into it, but it's
like him instead of Wiggins or him instead of Wiggins and Moody and Gary trying
to think of like knowing the opportunity cost is going to be some of your
last just trade chips, like players in prospects. I thought you would want
someone higher end, So I feel like this is gonna gets a lot easier,
so lowry marketed. I like him less actually than either of the two
previous two guys you named. It's not really an insult when it's Michael bridgucing,
right, But I mean, like I don't want to say no to
that. It's like, I don't know what am I gonna say no to
in this? I'm getting there? Okay, Trey Young, No there you
got there, Darius Garland, No, just because Steph's gonna be there and
I don't know. I just you can't play those guys together. Yoh honest,
Yeah, of course that's the one guy I think, like, if
you really wanted like the long shot, you got another one. Yeah,
Donovan Mitchell, I got more. I like Mitchell less than everyone you've mentioned
other than Trey Young Fair, Jaylen Brown. Oh yeah, I mean yeah,
Wembat No, Steph's gonna go play with Wenby. Did you see the
odds where if not the Warriors, STEP's most likely next team is the Spurs.
Oh that makes a lot of sense, of course, like a plus
four when Wemby and Trey Jones, imagine just replacing the Trey Jones minutes was
He's a little better, He's still got it. He still got it on
Trey Jones, I think we can say, okay Joel embiid Oh yeah,
really that changes everything. There's probably no Draam on there anymore, which is
which is fine. You gotta move on eventually, and like if you're gonna
move, so to appease Steph in moving off of either Green or Klay Thompson,
it almost has to be someone like of undeniable, like oh yeah,
we're not gonna say no to Joel embiid right, Like maybe that's the threshold
test, Like would Steph be cool with you can get this guy, but
you don't have Draymond and or Clay anymore? I think MBT he would say,
like, all right, I could deal with that. I don't mean
to give you PTSD, but LaMelo ball Oh interesting. I don't hate the
fit with Steph. Honestly, I don't know how serious of a basketball player
he is, though, I guess I guess i'd say, what could I
could I trade him for James Wiseman if I if we got yeah, get
a time machine? Right? Oh boy, yeah that's sure. I'll take
LaMelo. Why not Lebron? Yeah? I think yeah. I think like
so you're just you're open to just like the window is going to be super
short when we fucked at the end of it. But like I'm probing,
yeah, like it's not me Yeah right, Randall, No, keep him
away from my team. Grant has not mentioned we've been recording with each other
for like four hours, and he is there. You can name the rooms
that you use to record in, and he has not mentioned the name of
this room at all. That's because I just noticed it. Why are there
nine and ninety seven reasons why Grant Hues thinks the Warriors should should trade for
Julius Randall. That's nine hundred and ninety seven more reasons than I could think
of with the gun to my head. I think I had a couple more
Karl Anthony towns. I kind of would say, no, I don't think
I don't know what he's getting. Yeah, what he's getting. Yet,
I think that's perfectly reasonable. I think that's probably it. Now, I'd
be like venturing into the realm of well, well they can't and a lot
if you opt in Paul George, Yeah, I think that would be Again,
it's just like what if we had someone that was just better. Well,
here's an interesting thought exercise. Paul George can opt in and be traded
to you, or you can just flat out trade for Kawhi. I might
prefer the Paul George option. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, yeah,
yeah, the health stuff again, Yeah, right, It's like,
well, if we had this conversation like two weeks, well how long Kai
basically hasn't played in April in mid March, it'd be like give me Kawhi,
you know. But but now now that he's hurt again, it's like
I can't deal with this. It's too uncertain. Jaron Jackson Junior. That's
a fun one. Yeah, as like the as the the Draymond replacement essentially,
because well, although you could play those two, that was what was
the Oh so my my other spicy one is just like if things go to
crap in Phoenix, everyone's waiting for Kevin Durrant to request that maybe he does
request out. Devin Booker is kind of sitting there going doesn't doesn't Devin Booker
have the I don't know why. I think this is just like he's been
there for like a sneaky long time. He's been through, Like we made
the finals with this one group. Now that group is gone, we have
this other group. Nothing lasts forever, Like Devin Booker is not going to
finish his career in Phoenix. I don't think that's pretty rare. So he
always feels like the next like not just a contract until like twenty fifty or
whatever. He's the next It's so the next crop is like we're already into
it, but like Trey and Cat, and then Embiid probably gets back into
that conversation pretty soon, and then after that it'll be like book well,
Jalen Brown will be probably in the in the second wave, and then eventually
we'll start talking about Devin Booker's next team. So why not now, Uh,
Luca would be an easy one, right, I just yeah, I
mean most of them are easy if I don't know what I have to give
up, Like well, like he'd cost you everything, Yeah, he cost
you everything. Well, Lucas certainly does, Embiid certainly does. Yeah,
I just like it if you can get All NBA Calidi, No, I
don't think so. All right, Yeah, we finally found like one that
was like controversial be really the others I was expecting there to be more like
especially the lowry marketings Michale Bridges is where yeah, you know, like even
Jalen Brown, you say, no, I'm using him an example like an
exemplar where it's well, that dude might make a second All NBA team,
so you know, he could be one of the fifteen to twenty best players
in an a given season, So I'm expecting you to be a little bit
more. Well, it's because it's like they don't the way you framed it
correctly, what my where my thoughts are. It's just like they don't have
a championship ceiling or a real way to get there that I can see.
And so like if you're telling me you can add like a really exciting all
NBA level guy, like I'm interested because here's here's one Zion. Oh man,
I mean you are probably still having to give up everything for that.
Yeah, I feel like you would have to do it. You do,
I just like, what if? What if? So the only thing the
worst case scenario is you make the drastic move and the guy's never healthy,
you know, like and he in Zion is kind of in the Kauhi camp
of like even no more so than why I think where You're just like it
could all be over tomorrow for the whole What also makes this difficult, So
basically with every single one of these players, maybe the Warriors would be willing
to give up more for them than other teams because of their Like Kevin Durant
in theory, would the Warriors be willing to give up more for Kevin Durant
than the Knicks at this point. Maybe, but in the worst case,
they're also in this weird space where it's they have like, really what could
be a very competitive, real blockbuster trade offer that will also never probably be
the single or one of the two best offers that are on the table.
Yeah, I mean it could get if you throw all the picks and Kaminga
and like Pajemski and or Jackson Davis, Like, look, if it's Minga
pods and two first round picks, that's good, but it's like one case
you can come from the top rope without breaking the sweat and yeah, well,
I mean it would depend like it's you know, right now, I
think there were points this year where Kaminga's value was even higher and maybe maybe
next year it'll even be higher where it's like Comingo's worth like two firsts or
something on his own. But if if he continues to be like, oh,
this guy's maybe gonna threaten to be an All Star next year or something
like, it's pretty close to the Yeah, but there's they don't have the
ability to be like, I don't know, six firsts and Cason Wallace and
like lou Dort or what like, they just they can't they can't touch a
lot of the market realities. And this happens with all trades, but like
the Dame situation is a good example. Sometimes players are forced to go outside
their wishless is that they need to be at or very very close to the
top of a player's trade demand, right, which, by the way,
like hasn't really happened. I don't know that, like there aren't you know,
Durant signed and that was a big deal. Do you think it's mostly
been because players understand that the Warriors wouldn't have gone after them to be so
there's no leverage to be had there. And now it's a little Now it's
different in the sense that okay, maybe they would go after me, but
do I want to be a member of the Warrior. Well, I I
was kind of angling towards the latter where it's like I still think if you
go to Golden State, you know you're gonna play a certain style and maybe
this changes, maybe this is part of the problem, but like you're gonna
play this certain style that isn't for everybody, and Draymond's makes it a weird
fit and Steph is always going to be the guy and like you're never you
know, it's all it's like all the stuff that Durant I think bristled at
towards the end, and and like it's just certain guys just don't fit.
And I think that feels like a known thing. It doesn't mean it has
to be that way forever, but like they've played a certain way for ten
years and it's like you got to know, you probably know what you're signing
up for if you go there now at this point, Like it's just it's
not the and like it is weird because I still even though it's such a
huge market in the you know, there's a fancy new arena and there's all
these like Silicon Valley opportunities, it doesn't feel still like it's not La it's
not New York. It's still not that view quite or even Houston, like
it's not viewed or Miami. It's not viewed the same way. I don't
think around the league in terms of like get me there, like who's there.
Hasn't been anybody really that's been like me reports that like Giannis would want
to play for the Warriors, if it wasn't the Bucks that one time,
like yeah, before he won a title. I think, yeah, that's
I mean, that's that's that's the exception that proves the rule. It feels
like to me, stat panting, guess a player grant, I'll start you
off. Are you ready? I think so. This one's from Austin,
So just keep that in mind. Clue number one. I was drafted in
two thousand and nine and I'm currently one of eight players who are still on
an active roster. M really going back to that two thousand and nine draft,
well, huh, I just I feel like I never remember who's in
the on nine draft other than Serge Ibaka, who we just we just did.
Okay, go ahead, I'm not gonna one shot kill it. Clue
two. I have played for ten different NBA teams, ten teams still in
the league from nine. Hmmm. I still, I just I can't remember
that draft year. I don't have it. Clu three. Despite my modest
seven and a half points, three and a half rebounds, and two point
one assists per game for my career, I have netted eighty two plus million
dollars in total earnings. That's not very much for fifteen years. How much
do you make, Grant? How much does this podcast pay you? I
didn't want to tell you. It's just enough for me to scoff at eighty
million dollars eighty million, seven and a half points a game. Ten teams,
oh, nine drafts? I mean, I'm trying it. Should it
just be who's a pacer that's been all over the league? Yeah? I
don't know. I think you'll get it. You have two I think three
more clues left. Who? Four? I am covered from the neck down
with tattoos with my son's name across my neck. To celebrate this, one
of my former teams had a tattoo night in which fans were given a large
temporary tattoo to put on their neck. Huh, still in the league from
nine A bunch of tattoos. I know you were just thinking about like j
R. Smith and is it James Johnson? That is correct. I didn't
get the answer from Austin, but I'm assuming that I know who it is.
Uh. Five? Was I'm a second degree black belt? Oh yeah,
with champion kickboxing parents. My dad is a seven time world champ and
my mother a five time national champ. I actually did not know that I
knew about his black belt, I didn't know about his parents. More recently,
I was signed hours after the infamous game Ballgate to give my current team
a tough enforcer present. That's right. That was such a fun signing,
like, Oh, it's gonna be on next game. They got James Johnson.
The NBA is so ridiculous thinking back to the game Ballgate. See,
I'm trying to see if I have one for you. I don't know if
I do. I have a ton in the clip for Mike. If you
let me, just make sure Mike didn't send me one that I have neglected.
If you're ready to go ahead while I look, okay, clue number
one. I was drafted in the top ten of the nineteen ninety nine NBA
draft top ten ninety nine from this from Mike Yep, I like to I
like to know who I'm dealing with. It's good that it doesn't seem like
you're gonna one shot killed it. I feel bad like one shot killing is
because he gives so many clues. I know really, but that makes me
really want to do it. I feel so bad being so good at this
game. All I know, all we know is top ten in ninety nine.
That's the clue, correct, Dirk, Nope, incorrect, Okay,
clue too. As a rookie, I backed up Mitch Richmond on a team
that would win twenty nine games. Nick Young, that is incorrect. Was
he a ninety nine draft class member? He got too long ago. I
was just thinking of Richmond was probably on the Wizards in ninety nine. No,
he must it has still been on the Kings. Okay, hold on,
who's backing up Matt Richmond on the King's top ten? Don't? Actually,
I don't know where Mitt Richmond is at this point. Surprise, Mitch
Richmand is playing in ninety nine. First of all, Okay, what's the
next clue? Clue three? In my second year, I started playing small
forward to get more playing time, and as a result, I appeared in
seventy eight games, starting forty two. I averaged eighteen points, but on
a very inefficient shooting split of forty three point eight from the field and twenty
seven point four percent from deep. So it's a two to three that can't
shoot. Backed up Richmond wherever Mitt Trichmand was at the time top ten pick
in ninety nine, it's not Larry Hughes, is it? It is not
Larry Hughes. I like that, guess though. Clue four and my third
season, I moved back to shooting guard because of a new acquisition, and
my scoring improved to twenty points per game and my three point percentage hit thirty
eight percent. I don't even know where we are. This is the problem
two thousand and one. At this point oh one averaging twenty a game.
Yeah, I'm hung up on the Richmond thing. This always happens, and
so now I'm like, this might be. I think this clue will turn
it for you. Okay, let's hear it. Clue five. I was
traded the following offseason with Bobby Simmons and Hubert Davis for Jerry Stackhouse and Cardinal
Yam. I went to won this trade, traded with with Bobby Simmons and
Hubert Davis. You said, yeah, so now you know the team he
was on, and you should know the team he was do. I want
to say he was on the Clippers, but I don't know if that's right
because I think of Bobby Simmons on the Clippers for Stackhouse. So you end
up in I guess Philly or Detroit. I don't know. I don't have
it, Okay, Clue six. In my first season there, I made
the playoffs for the first time and helped the team rat to defeat the Magic
in the first round despite trailing three to one. The head coach of the
Magic was Doc Rivers, sparking memes that would last a generation. Okay,
so this is a well oh man, I think it must be getting late.
I'm all, I'm all jumbled up. Is this guy on the Bucks
now? Because it wasn't that the Bucks that knocked out the Magic? Is
that the McGrady series? Maybe maybe I don't know. I still don't have
it. I'm gonna need some more clues. Well you have like three more,
so okay, that's good. I so Clue number seven. In my
second season, I broke my nose twice. I think Grant should know by
now who I am? Oh it's Rip Hamilton. Yeah all right, okay.
Klue eight was I was on the twousand four MBA Championship with Detroit.
Uh clue not. I played with the Bulls from twenty eleven to twenty thirteen.
Clu ten I hopenly retired twenty and fifteen after I broke my foot Okay.
So he was on the Wizard. He was drafted by the Wizards and
he was backing up Mitch Richmond there, so I wasn't allow. I just
forgot he was on the Wizards. Okay, man, do you have any
for me? You want to do? One more? For this one?
Is I got? I got another one for you. I got actually like
two from two or three from Mike that I could go to. Yeah,
let me give you this one from Mike. Clue number one. I was
an international player drafted in two thousand and eight by the Blazers. I was
traded. I'll just combine these two clues. I was traded to the Bulls
on draft day. Cristianto Felicio. It's a really good guest, but that's
not who it is. Clue three. I came state side in twenty ten,
signing a two year deal. Drafted by the Blazers, traded to the
Bulls. Came state side in twenty ten. I got nothing. Clue four.
I played in all eighty two games as a rookie, working my way
up the rotation, but broke my leg in the playoffs. Oh rookie in
the playoffs, international broke his leg. I'm the Bulls in twenty ten eleven.
At that eighty game as a rookie, I guess i'd be ten eleven.
So Derek that what is that? Derek Rose is on that team?
Louell? Dang? Uh No, that's a good guess though, all right?
Uh Clue five. I started only two games my sophomore year, but
was thrust into the starting lineup after an all star teammate of mine got injured.
I was starting naming Bulls point guards. Aaron Brooks is at an international
player? Is he? No, you're probably getting it next. Clue.
Let me trying to take another Kirk Congridge. Nope, No, oh,
all right, hit me again. Clue six. That off season, I
signed as a restricted free agent with the Rockets for twenty five point one million.
That off season, Bleacher Report referred to the pairing of me and fellow
free agency signing Jeremy Lynn as fitting together like peanut butter. Oh my god,
is this your line? Peanut butter and frog meat? Do you write
that? I have no idea I was, so, I don't think so.
That feels like it could have been you. No, I wouldn't have
said that. Uh. I don't think I was. I don't know.
That could have been anybody. Uh, let's see seven my two. Yeah,
I'll read some more. You got it is? It is om My
two years in Houston didn't go well. After two seasons, I was traded
in a three team deal involving Trevor Reza, A, Lonzo g and Omri
Caspy fifteen. When everyone got paid, I got paid in a half,
signing a five year, sixty million dollars contract and being labeled as one of
the least movable deals in the league. Who gave him that? Was that
New Orleans that paid him all that money? Limited thirty one games, diagnosed
with Crohn's disease, losing thirty one pounds. Did not remember that traded for
Jamier Nelson and Tony Allen with a first for Nicole and miratych in a future
second. In twenty twenty two Bleacher Reports, Dan Favallei wrote about my placing
in the top fifteen of All Star voting in twenty fourteen that I quote should
have never sniffed the top fifty, let alone the top fifteen. Seems like
a reasonable take to me, Man, that guy's smart, all right?
Did you have one or you want another? One? Let me give you
this one is long. He's fourteen clues here, so you should if you
don't know it, you can really want the one shot kill here. Guess
so. And in parentheticals, this is Mike's all time favorite player. So
no pressure. Okay, you ready. I was drafted in a class that
only produced three All Stars and zero Hall of Famers and was rated as the
worst and it was rated as the worst draft of all time by ESPN.
Yeah, I don't have that. Clue two. Fresh off winning a national
title and being a second team All American, I was taken in the first
round. Elton brand incorrect. Okay, Clue three is a rookie. I
started forty nine games, averaging nine point three points. I'm forty three percent
shooting and thirty eight percent three point shooting. Nope, Clue four. My
second season, I ut my scored a fourteen points per game, increasing my
efficiency in the process while starting fifty six of sixty three games. Said if
we don't have a year yet, I have no idea. U yeap,
keep going. Clue five and year three. I started a career high eighty
games, being third on the team and scoring, but essentially leading the team
as Vince Carter missed forty games, and our second leading scorer, Vashawn Leonard
only played sixty three games. So Vashon Leonard and Vince Carter are the time
stamps. I mean, like, was Vashon Leonard on the Raptors? I
guess? I don't know. I think it was a guy that assumes Carter.
This is a Carter's Raptor? Okay, damn stodamre no, Morris Peterson?
Correct, A nice job? Who's six? Was? It was after
the season and the summer times before I met an eight year old Mike Kernishon
at a basketball camp the Raptors lent their name to in the suburbs and spent
a full hour shooting hoops with him. How am I guessing it from that
clue? Mike? Come on, Who's seven? Well you got it beforehand?
Who gives a ship? That's true? Who's seven? The following season,
after Lenny Wilkins was fired, the team brought in Kevin O'Neill, who
had proved to be one of the worst coaches in the NBA history. Some
for the team included averaging eighty five point four points per game, only scoring
fifty six points in a loss to the Timberwolves, the lowest in the post
shot clock era, the team receiving a call from the NBA to ask why
our offense was so inepted scoring, Vince Corter being so pissed off at management
that he said he wasn't going to dunk anymore. Trading Vince Carter for Aaron
Williams, Eric Williams and Alonzo Morning who would never play a game in Toronto,
the pick that would later become Joey Graham, but could have been Danny
Granger, and a pick we never used that ended up being Ronaldo Balkman ah
nick legend Clue eight anyways, a fan favorite in Toronto, I played all
ighty two games for four straight seasons, being in and out of the lineup
wile competing for the starting spot with Anthony Parker Clunine. I have one of
the most absurd buzzer beaterers of all time to send a game against the Wizards
into overtime thanks to Michael Ruffin for throwing the ball into the air with enough
time for me to catch it and heave it. These were the only points
I scored in the game. Clu ten. After the two thousand and six
and seven season the team that my deal expire and I signed with the New
Orleans Hornets on a four year, twenty three million dollars contract. Clue eleven
time Horns was underwhelming, as I averaged single digit points in my shooting had
fallen off Clue twelve. I retired in twenty eleven after I was traded from
Okse to Charlotte and waved four days later Clue thirteen. I spent time as
an analyst in Toronto from twenty fifteen until twenty seventeen, leaving the company as
behind the scenes. I didn't get along with Raptors color commentator Jack Armstrong,
and I was never really a great analyst to begin with. Final clue,
I am third all time in Raptor's history for games played, third and threes,
made seventh in points and tenth and rebounds. Shit, I never would
have gotten that. By the way, what's that he said? Who's not
getting along with Jack Armstrong? I've never met him, but he's saying he
sounds like a lot of fun on the broadcast, you know, do you
want to give me one more? And then muskie daddle? Sure? All
right? This is also from Mike. This is this is a tough one,
although actually I believe in you. Clue number one. I was drafted
eighteenth overall in two thousand and one. My brother went in the second round
in the same draft one and they had a brother. This brother. The
brother had the same last name. I mean, are we allowed to ask
questions? I yes, yes, it is the same last name. They're
actual, for real brothers. Two thousand and one. All right, so
at least you know what's not a plumb way. I really want to have,
like a guests but I don't even I'm thinking of brothers and relatives from
that era and I got nothing two thousand to two thousand and one, all
right, keep going, Clutu. As a rookie, I was a key
contributor for a finals contender Nope, Clue three. During my rookie season,
I made the controversial decision to state on camera that I was two inches shorter
than I was listed as in college. I don't remember, uh you uh
four. As a second year player, I beat out a future Hall of
Famer for a starting spot and would go on to start one hundred and forty
four games over the next two seasons. This led to me signing a five
year, twenty five million dollar extension in two thousand and four. This is
Andre Miller. Did he have a brother? Nope? Ready for Clue five?
Clue five. In two thousand and eight, I was traded to Memphis
for stro Miles Swift. Oh, you traded to Memphis for stro Miles Swift.
No, I still don't have it. Who's six? On Draft Day
in two thousand and eight, I was part of the infamous Kevin Love for
oj Mayo trade and landed in Minnesota's part of the Oj Mayo trade that wasn't
Ah, it's not Robert Taylor, is it. Nope? I think he
was the Dirk trade. All right, you're getting it on this one.
You're ready. Clue seven. I bounced around the league for a couple of
years before making headlines for my bravery, becoming the first active player in any
of the four major leagues to ever come out as gay. Oh Jaron Collins,
the other one, the other Collins, Not the other guy. Oh
my god, for the other Collins. His first name is very close to
the name you said, Jarn Jared Jeff. Why, oh my god,
this is a first and Guessa player. You know who it is. But
you can't remember the first name. Oh, I mean, I could give
you more clues, but they're not going to help the brother of mine.
This is Clue ten. The brother of mine from Klue one is my identical
twin. Who is the top assistant for the Pelicans who you just named Jared
Collins. So Jared College. You said it's similar, Jeff, I would
say, I think like for people my age, among men, it's like
the most common first name Jim, James, Jack. Why why I don't
know how long to let you even real people My brain is so to be
fair, it is after two in the morning. It's really late. Would
you like me to tell you because you clearly know who it is Jordan College.
No, you have the first letter and the last letter. Correct what
I said, Jaren, or said Jordan and Jaren for that matter. Awesome,
Jayden, Nope, this is such a good podcasting, right you just
I can't. I don't feel like he's so mad when you tell me who
it is. I don't know how to tell you how how common of a
name this is. It's like it's like the Michael of like j names.
I have no idea. Maybe maybe in New York it's not a common name.
I feel like in California I had, like even now I have,
I have to like use their last names because I have multiple friends who have
this first name. But John No, that's probably more common. But I
don't know for people my age, it's not Johnson Collins. Is that a
person? Now you're making it. Now you're, Oh, this is so
much fun. I do you have to let me tell you? I get
so it's j H, the first letters J, the last letters. There's
got to be like a vowel, you're you're. Oh, you've overthought it
by like a million percent at this point, I well, how can I
give you clues without giving it away? I mean, I can think of
an NBA head coach with this first name. I can think of many many
NBA players with this first name. Head coach Joe College. No, it's
not Joe, it's not Johnson, it's not jack Get I'm thinking of.
I'm running through all the NBA head coaches in my head right now. Oh,
I read Jason Collins. It is there, it is. I'm clapping
for you. Oh that was peak post two am It gets rough out here,
trying to try to guess things knowing the lesser known of the right yeah
you go, well, like Jared has been like more because he was on
the yeah now yeah for a while. But yeah, hey, you know
what you got it? Please just take us out of here, like I
have to give him a shout out somehow. Uh. Thanks everybody for listening,
Thanks for contributing your guest player clues, especially the last one. Uh.
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