WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:33.200 Welcome back to the Path. When Julie, I'm Robin, I'm Jules, 2 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:38.759 and I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case. May twenty seven, 3 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:44.240 two thousand, Negril, Jamaica. We'll traveling to Cuba for an assignment. 4 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:49.320 Twenty nine year old travel writer Claudia Kershock is denied entry into the country, 5 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:53.840 so she's rerouted to a Sandals beach resort in Jamaica in order to wait 6 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.719 for a flight back home to New York. After last being seen walking along 7 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:02.039 a beach, Claudia vanishes without a trace, and most of her personal items 8 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:07.079 are left behind in her hotel room. The investigation leads to a resort bartender 9 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.920 whom Claudia went out with prior to her disappearance, but there's not enough evidence 10 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:17.280 to implicate him, and Claudia continues to remain a missing person. After that, 11 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:21.959 the Path went chilly. So today we've got another missing person's case to 12 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.560 cover, which was once featured on Unsolved Mysteries, the two thousand disappearance of 13 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.359 Claudia Kershock. The victim in this story was an American travel writer from New 14 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:34.400 York who was supposed to be traveling to Cuba for a junket, but after 15 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:40.040 she was denied entry into the country during a layover in Jamaica, Sandals Resorts 16 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:44.400 Incorporated offered her a complimentary stay at one of the resorts, which was named 17 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:48.079 Beaches and a Grille. She was scheduled to remain there for nearly a week 18 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:52.200 until a flight back home became available, but something happened to her before she 19 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:56.719 could leave. Most of you are probably familiar with the disappearance of Natalie Holloway, 20 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:00.239 another young American woman who went missing during a trip to the Caribbean island 21 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:06.439 of Aruba. Natalie's disappearance became one of the most highly covered missing persons cases 22 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.919 of all time, and while Claudia's disappearance didn't receive nearly as much attention, 23 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:15.319 you can definitely see some parallels between these two stories. Prior to her disappearance, 24 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:19.960 Claudia went out on a date with one of the resort's bartenders, and 25 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.800 there's been speculation that he may have been involved in what happened and a cover 26 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:27.960 up was orchestrated to protect him. However, no body has ever been found, 27 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:30.400 and the local authorities do not believe there is enough evidence to make an 28 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:36.080 arrest. After two decades, Claudius cases pretty much faded from the spotlight, 29 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:38.000 so we thought now would be a good time to revisit it. On the 30 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:45.319 Path went Chili. Missing persons cases always leave me with chills, because how 31 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:50.680 does someone just up and vanish when they go out people you care about them, 32 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.319 They're interacting with people, they're socializing, their things are in their room, 33 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:59.599 and literally Claudia walks out of her hotel room and is never seen again. 34 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.599 It boggles my mind how we can have human beings that leave with no 35 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:07.400 trace. We don't find them, we don't link them to a Jane Doe. 36 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.719 And I'm so glad you guys brought up Natalie Holloway the moment you started 37 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:16.080 talking about this vacation turned to a missing persons That's the exact case I pictured. 38 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:21.000 And I'm wondering what it was about Natalie. Was it her family? 39 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:25.759 Was it her socioeconomic status. I always wonder when I see these cases on 40 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:30.039 the news, what is it about this kid, this person who garners all 41 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:34.199 this attention, And then you have poor Claudia and her family who don't get 42 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:38.560 that attention. And we know that media coverage and that kind of need for 43 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:43.439 answers is one of the leading things that will lead to an arrest or answers 44 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.639 in a case. Do you think it's some combination of pretty privilege, white 45 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:53.560 privilege, and socioeconomic privilege, kind of all converging together to create this perfect 46 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:59.879 storm of this beautiful blonde woman, young, very young woman who goes missing 47 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:04.120 and her family is wealthy, they're affluent, and somehow it just captures the 48 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:08.840 nation, just like we saw with Gabby Potito. But then in contrast, 49 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:14.919 we see all these cases with Hispanic women or black women and they're missing, 50 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:17.600 and it doesn't cause nearly the same amount of a stir. Yeah, Claudie 51 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:21.279 Carshock is also like a very attractive, young white woman, and she did 52 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.240 get a decent amount of coverage for a while. But as we're going to 53 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:29.319 talk about later on, once Natalie Holloway started dominating the headlines, this case 54 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.319 was pretty much pushed to the side. And that's why you don't hear too 55 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:35.480 many people talk about it today, even though it is still unsolved. And 56 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:40.199 I just want to add that if it sounded like I was saying that Natalie 57 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.079 Holloway didn't deserve that attention, that's not at all what I meant, and 58 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.639 most of our listeners will know that. It's just that what I'm saying is 59 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.240 she absolutely deserved it, but other people deserve it as well. So it 60 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:54.800 is surprising in a case like this when we see very little attention paid in 61 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.480 sharp contrast to what we saw with Natalie. Oh, You're absolutely right, 62 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.199 Jewels. And when I work with families, that's one of the things that 63 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:05.439 is so difficult. It is kind of vying against other families for coverage because 64 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:10.240 they say the same thing. I don't want to take coverage away from this 65 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.959 case. I just want to know why my loved when either stops getting the 66 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.279 attention, like Robin pointed out, or doesn't get the attention at all. 67 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:19.120 And so it is interesting, Jules, you named a lot of factors that 68 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:23.360 play a role in that, and I think you know, the family carries 69 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:27.759 a big burden of fighting to keep that case alive and that's utterly exhausted. 70 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:30.079 I'm really interested to hear more about this case and how her family played a 71 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:34.800 role in it as well. So our story begins in the year two thousand 72 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:41.360 and our central figure is twenty nine year old Claudia Kershock. Claudia originally hails 73 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.959 from Morristown, New Jersey, and graduated with a degree in political science from 74 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:50.120 Washington and Lee University. She would spend years working as a freelancer while living 75 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:56.319 in Morristown with her parents Bred and Mary Ann Kershock, but in April nineteen 76 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:00.199 ninety nine, Claudia was hired as a writer and assistant edit for Framers Travel 77 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.920 Guides. She would work at their office in Manhattan and pretty much consider this 78 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:10.519 to be her dream job since she loved traveling. In December of that year, 79 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.040 Claudia finally decided to move into her own apartment in the Historian neighborhood of 80 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.720 Queens in order to be closer to her place of employment. Within months, 81 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:24.480 she was selected to participate in a travel junket sponsored by Sandals Resorts Incorporated. 82 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.279 This would allow her to attend the opening of one of their new resorts in 83 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:32.279 Havana, Cuba, and researched the local tourist destinations for an upcoming travel guide 84 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:38.000 about the country. On May twenty fourth, Claudia and some other travel writers 85 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:42.279 boardered a plane and flew to Montego Bay, Jamaica for a layover, where 86 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.480 she was scheduled to board another flight to Havana the following day, but after 87 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:48.560 spending the night there, the writers were informed that they were going to be 88 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:54.399 denied entry into Cuba since the country had tense political relationship with the US of 89 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:58.680 the time. All flights back to New York were fully booked up until June 90 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:03.199 first, but those resorts offered to reroute Claudia and another travel writer named named 91 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:09.319 Tanya Grossinger to Beaches Negro, an all inclusive resort located on seven Mile Beach 92 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.480 in the town of Negro. They would be allowed to stay there at the 93 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:16.600 company's expense until they managed she got a flight back home. Claudia accepted the 94 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:21.519 offer, and after traveling to Beaches Negril, Claudia phoned or supervisor and parents 95 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.759 to inform them about what was going on. During their stay there, Claudia 96 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.399 became acquainted with Tanya Grossinger, who got the hotel manager to use his influence 97 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:34.120 to book Tanya on earlier flight to New York on May the twenty seventh. 98 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.920 However, Claudia was willing to remain at the resort for a few more days 99 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.920 and informed Tanye. Ever plans to travel to other popular Ja make in tourist 100 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.480 destinations such as the Bob Marley Museum in Kingston. On the evening of May 101 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.319 the twenty sixth, Claudia met Tanya for dinner and told her that she had 102 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:55.480 spent the previous night going out on a date with one of the resort's bartenders, 103 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:59.560 Anthony Grant. Anthony was in his twenties, lived in the town of 104 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:03.560 Green Island with his mother and sisters, and had been employed at Beaches n 105 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.079 a Grille since they opened three years earlier. Claudia and Anthony seemed to bond 106 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.079 over their love of reggae music, so he offered to take her to a 107 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:16.279 seaside nightclub to see a local reggae band. Afterward, Claudia said they smoked 108 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.560 some marijuana and went skinny dipping together before Anthony took her back to the resort, 109 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:22.959 though he may try to keep his distance from the entrance when he dropped 110 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:28.160 her off, since the hotel had a strict policy against staff members dating the 111 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.440 guests well. Anthony asked Claudia out again the following night. She turned him 112 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.840 down before they went their several ways. After, Claudia met Tanya for breakfast 113 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:41.000 on the morning and made the twenty seventh. They said goodbye before Tanya headed 114 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:45.759 to the airport and boarded her flight to New York. Here's what's scary about 115 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:50.320 this. You have somebody in Claudia who is like a little jet setter. 116 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.879 She's incredibly independent. You can tell as a world traveler, right. She's 117 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.519 somebody who wants to meet new people. She wants to experience new cultures. 118 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:05.039 When they tell her you can't go into Cuba and you can have this alternative 119 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.759 experience, She's one of those kinds of people that says, yes, I 120 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:13.000 actually have a best friend named Dale who's the same way. She's young and 121 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.720 beautiful, never meets a stranger, never says no to an opportunity, And 122 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:22.519 so when you can put someone you know in that kind of context and say, 123 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.440 like, I know someone like Claudia, it's incredibly scary because she's doing 124 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.000 what any young, fun, adventurous person would do. She's diving into the 125 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:35.080 culture. She's taking advantage of this once in a lifetime opportunity. She's meeting 126 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:39.679 people, going out with them and really kind of saying I'm in for whatever 127 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:46.600 this adventure holds. And then she says goodbye to Tanya, and we Tanya 128 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.639 is never going to see her again. It blows my mind. I love 129 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.759 to travel, but one thing that I don't have is the spontaneity like you 130 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.279 describe with your friend, like somebody who never says no to an opportunity. 131 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.799 But I've got plenty of friends that are like that. Right, something will 132 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.759 come up, They'll be like, Hey, I want to back back to 133 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.799 this country or I want to jet to this country, and wow, I 134 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.240 never had that, but I really admire those who do. I'm like the 135 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:13.080 type of person and you probably are asked the same way. They really like 136 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.879 to plan their trip down to like the last detail. So when I see 137 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.960 somebody's like super spontaneous, like just throw something at a map and they're like, 138 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.519 yeah, I could go there, I'm like, wow, I really 139 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.799 need more of your energy in my life. Because Tanya's kind of more like 140 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.000 you. Because she was an older woman, she had a lot more experienced 141 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.679 traveling. So when she got the opportunity to leave Jamaica and go back home 142 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:37.960 to New York a few days early, she was like, yeah, I'm 143 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:43.000 gonna go because I've been to places like these before. I'm not very spontaneous. 144 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.679 I don't want to spend like all this time here when I don't have 145 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:48.440 to. But Claudius and she loved traveling. She was the exact office and 146 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.559 said, no, it's okay, I'm going to stay here for a couple 147 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.799 more days and then go home on June the second. And it is kind 148 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.559 of a sad situation because I think if Tanya and Claudia had been there together 149 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.360 this entire time, and maybe things would have turned out differently. But because 150 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.799 Claudia was just so spontaneous and just wanted to see everything from Jamaica that she 151 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:11.559 could, she decided to stay there. How old was Claudia again, twenty 152 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:15.240 nine? That explains it, right, That's totally the energy of your twenties, 153 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.320 that like need to have new experiences and like totally open to everything. 154 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.159 You hit your thirties. Well, I can speak from my own personal experience. 155 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.360 I became a lot less spontaneous. Yeah, smoking weed and skinny dipping. 156 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:31.799 I'd need to sleep for a week, you know. It's like Claudia 157 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:33.200 is doing though, like what I said, it is Jules. I'm like 158 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.759 you, I need to plan. I'm a huge yes person to travel, 159 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.600 but it's going to be planned. My mom says, like Oh my god, 160 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.879 I can't believe how brave you are, Like you're willing to go on 161 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.440 your own to New York City and these kinds of things, and it's been 162 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.159 this incredibly blessed experience. But it's planned. Claudia sounds like exactly you described 163 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.399 it. Like my friend Dale, I jump on Instagram and I'm like, 164 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:56.000 girlfriend, when do you work? Like you're always in Europe and then you're 165 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.159 in Australia and then you're in a wedding in Rome, Like okay, this 166 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.240 is crazy cool. She's like that, and like you said, she's young, 167 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:09.039 she's carefree, she's doing her job. How fun and honestly, Claudia 168 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.559 has a good head on her shoulders. I'm sure. So meeting Anthony and 169 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.120 saying, that's another young kid who I bond with over this love of reggae 170 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:20.360 music. It's an incredible opportunity to have a local take you to like a 171 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.240 local dive bar or a local cultural experience and say this is my home, 172 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.759 this is what we do. Let's go have fun on the town. How 173 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.600 romantic and fun is that, even if it's just for those five days. 174 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.679 She's young, she's fun, she's single, Like what an ideal situation because 175 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.840 when you experience a culture through the locals. One time, my husband and 176 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:46.159 I when we went to Morocco, we went to Marrakesh and we met this 177 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.080 guy on the plane. He ended up owning a bunch of businesses there, 178 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.120 and him and his best friend took us out all over to all these places 179 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.039 that we would never normally have gone, and restaurants we wouldn't normally be able 180 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.840 to get tables at because unless you know somebody, you're not getting in. 181 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.600 And it was just such a cool experience to be able to see it through 182 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.480 the eyes of somebody who's from there. So I bet Claudia was just like, 183 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.080 Wow, okay, like I'm going to experience Jamaica through somebody that lives 184 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:18.240 here, and this is like the real Jamaica, the Jamaican's experience. Claudia 185 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.279 was scheduled to return to her office in Manhattan on the morning of June second, 186 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:28.320 but she didn't show up and never contacted anyone. Claudia's parents, Fred 187 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:33.159 and Mary Anne, also grew concerned after she failed to return several phone messages 188 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.360 from them. After learning about their daughters no show at her workplace, the 189 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.679 Kershawks decided to contact Beach's Negro and were alarmed to learn that Claudia had never 190 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.519 officially checked out and was now missing. It turned out that the last confirmed 191 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:52.120 sighting of her took place at around one pm on May twenty seventh, when 192 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:56.639 a lifeguard thought that he saw her walking along seven Mile Beach. Over the 193 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:00.960 next few days, when maids went inside Claudia's hotel room lean it, they 194 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.480 noted in their logs that the bed had not been slept in, the towels 195 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.720 were not used, and all of her personal items, including her clothes packed 196 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:13.799 inside her suitcase, remained untouched in the same place. Did you guys watch 197 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.000 the documentary about the murders It's Starved rock An I didn't, no, okay, 198 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.960 so that that one the same kind of thing. It's three older women 199 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:28.240 who actually they go to this resort and they check in, they put their 200 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.919 bags down, and they leave on a hike and a snowstorm comes in. 201 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.440 It's two or three days before one of their husband's getting you know, is 202 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.279 calling and calling and saying like this is not normal. A snowstorm came, 203 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:41.679 they would have come back at this point, where are they? They should 204 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:46.639 have called every night to check in and they didn't, and when they're looking 205 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.559 into their rooms, same kind of thing. It is immaculate. They had 206 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.240 literally dropped their bags and gone off on this adventure, so they said. 207 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.440 There are suitcases weren't open um, nothing had been unpacked. The beds were 208 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.559 kept super neat. And it reminds me of that where you go, oh 209 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.240 my god, it's like it's frozen in time, that there's two different things 210 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:09.200 happening. This person out on an adventure, having fun, doing all these 211 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.720 things. Their room is pristine, and yet they should have been in that 212 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.879 room, and then they should have been home, and they weren't. After 213 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:22.480 Claudia's checkout day passed, hotel security decided to drill into the room safe and 214 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.960 found Claudia's passport, return plane ticket, credit cards, cell phone, and 215 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:31.159 one hundred and eighty dollars in cash inside. The only items which appeared to 216 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.600 be missing were Claudia's bikini, one of our T shirts, and a portable 217 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:39.279 radio. This prompted the staff to contact the Jamaica Constabulary Force and officially report 218 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:45.799 Claudia missing. Upon learning this, Fred and Marianne immediately contacted the United States 219 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:50.840 Embassy in Kingston before traveling to Negril to search for their daughter. They later 220 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.039 learned that Claudia had managed to book a new flight to New York on May 221 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.759 the twenty ninth, which would have allowed her to return home two days earlier 222 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:02.440 than expected, but she obviously never did it. Since the last reported sighting 223 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:06.679 of Claudia took place on seven Mile Beach, police looked into the possibility that 224 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:10.440 she could have drowned, but did not find that likely. Since the water 225 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:14.159 along the beach was not that deep and the current not that strong, they 226 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.679 believed that the tide would have eventually caused her body to wash up on shore. 227 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.679 So guys, when you look at what was missing from the room, 228 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:25.080 you have a bikini, a T shirt, and a like a little portable 229 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:29.919 radio. It is very clear Claudia has a direct plan. I'm going to 230 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.440 go hang out on the beach. I'm going to have a little bit of 231 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.639 a party or just enjoy life with myself or with somebody there. To me, 232 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:42.200 it's a purposeful composition of what was actually missing from that room, Like 233 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:47.320 there was a plan that day and she didn't come back. Yeah, that's 234 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:51.159 why I think the eyewitness sighting of her on the beach is credible because it 235 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.759 totally fits the profile of the evidence that all of her items are left behind 236 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.480 in her room besides her bikini, T shirt and radio. So she was 237 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.919 clearly going out to relax on the beach for a while before something happened. 238 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:06.359 And you expect a resort to kind of raise all these red flags that they're 239 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:10.720 going to be reaching out and in this situation where you're the parents and you're 240 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:15.640 like, Okay, well where's my daughter because she hasn't contacted anybody, and 241 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.119 they're like, well, you know, she's missing. But I think we 242 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.759 see that time and time again with any incidents that seemed to happen in tourist 243 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:27.559 destinations or on cruise ships. There's this effort to minimize it because we don't 244 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.920 want to hurt tourism. Oh yeah, as we're going to talk about, 245 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:36.119 there was a lot of shady behavior from this resort. Oh guys, that's 246 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.319 absolutely true, even here in the United States. Like I remember there was 247 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.799 a case in Orlando. I worked with a family down in Orlando and they 248 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:48.200 said they could not get the media to cover their child's murder because they knew 249 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:52.720 in their gut this is Disney World, right, This is where everything's like 250 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:57.279 this picture perfect dream. And if you start to advertise that young people are 251 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:02.319 being murdered, that there was going to be a publicity problem and there was 252 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:04.640 going to be a tourism problem. And so when we think about that, 253 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:11.000 it's disgusting that you can really equate the amount of coverage, the amount of 254 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:15.799 effort, the amount of attention something gets so that we don't upset or distract 255 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:21.799 financially from the businesses there. It's very disturbing, but it's it's not an 256 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.000 abnormal trend. I think you see that in major cities. I think you 257 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:29.400 see that in high tourist populations here. I mean, I've worked with family 258 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.440 so have said, it's very clear why we didn't get any help. You 259 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.519 saw that with the Rebecca Quarium case where she went missing. She disappeared off 260 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.960 of the Disney cruise ship which she worked on. There were some sketchy individuals 261 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:45.079 involved. At the end of the day, though I believe that it was 262 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.799 some kind of accident, and the problem is there was no proper investigation. 263 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.400 Disney, it appeared allegedly tried to, you know, either cover things that 264 00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:00.920 minimize distance themselves from anything happening, and even if they would have like looked 265 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:06.839 over the footage or like really done this thorough investigation that the parents wanted, 266 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.359 then it would have probably exposed that it was an accident. That's just my 267 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.160 personal opinion. But they look so shady, and they look like they're covering 268 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:19.000 up a murder because they're saying nothing. So sometimes, you know, actually 269 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:23.960 you often talk about institutions and how institutions will protect themselves. In that situation, 270 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:29.400 they just all closed ranks because that was allegedly what was expected of them 271 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:33.839 by Disney. And I also think you've got to You've got to consider what 272 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.720 this institution is. It's a resort. It's a place you come and you 273 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.079 escape and you get to enjoy vacation. They are not your babysitter. This 274 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.440 is a grown woman. So I think in their mind literally the biggest problem 275 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.680 would be get your stuff out of your room. You were supposed to have 276 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:52.039 checked out, you know. I don't think their mindset is like we need 277 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:55.319 to monitor where our guests are, you know, we need to make sure 278 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:59.000 that they return to their room. I think in a business sense, like 279 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.440 if I don't know if this makes but I think they're thinking I get people 280 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:03.599 in and out of the room, and I let them have a good time, 281 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:10.200 and that's about my responsibility for adults that are here. However, investigators 282 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:14.960 would soon learn about some odd events which occurred at Beach's Negro when Claudia went 283 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.599 missing. Even though the license plates of all vehicles which entered and left the 284 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:23.240 resort were recorded in a log book as a security precaution, the logbook for 285 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:27.160 the month of May went missing before it could be examined, and the staff 286 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:33.480 offered an explanation that one of the security guards must have accidentally misplaced it or 287 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.240 threw it out. Even though there was a surveillance camera mounted near Claudia's room, 288 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:42.000 the footage from the week of her disappearance was taped over before police could 289 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.039 look at it, and before the room could be processed as a potential crime 290 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:52.119 scene. Housekeeping and hotel security took Claudia's personal items to the manager's office and 291 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.599 the room was rented out to other guests. In addition, Claudia's cell phone, 292 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:02.720 which had been left behind in her safe, also inexplicably went missing before 293 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:07.079 it could be examined. Claudia's camera was also in her room, and the 294 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.839 resort's staff actually went to the trouble of developing the film on their own. 295 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.200 They claim that no photographs were found on the role, but the kerr Shocks 296 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:19.000 were skeptical of this and believed that the staff had either confiscated or exposed the 297 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:25.240 film. Okay, so there's a lot to unpack in that. When you 298 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:29.039 look at this, it's basically what I was saying. Their frustration would have 299 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:30.839 been, you were here, you were supposed to check out this day, 300 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.799 have housekeeping clean up that room, bring their stuff here, and run it 301 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.480 out again. It's money, right, Like you're wasting money not having that 302 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:42.799 room available for the next runtal. But then you start looking at these other 303 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:48.599 behaviors and they're not necessarily quote business savvy and about the bottom line. I 304 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:55.680 would love to know what the typical protocol is for these cameras and the idea 305 00:21:55.680 --> 00:22:00.400 of like how frequently were they recorded over is it normal? It's possible that 306 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:03.720 when they went to look for camera footage it was the normal routine kind of 307 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:08.319 re record loop that happened at that resort, and therefore I wouldn't have a 308 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.400 problem with it. But if you saw an abnormal kind of rush to cover 309 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:18.319 up that footage, I would be really perplexed about why that happened. I'm 310 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:23.440 also highly bothered by the idea that these people went in found her camera and 311 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:27.960 said we're going to develop the film. That makes no sense to me, 312 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:33.319 especially when you're kind of question marking where this girl is. I don't think 313 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:37.039 you would go to the extent of going out of your way to develop these 314 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.039 photographs and then saying, oh, by the way, they recorded nothing, 315 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:44.640 they had nothing on there, and where's her cell phone? I could see 316 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:48.000 someone stealing that because it's an item of value, like when they're cleaning the 317 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.480 room. But that's a very dangerous thing to do when you've been sent to 318 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:56.240 go collect the items of someone who's not returned. What is the standard of 319 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:02.039 investigation in Jamaica with regards to a missing person, especially a foreigner like that 320 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.400 is a an adult, Yeah, exactly. That's a question that I'm really 321 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:08.799 curious about because we see in multiple different countries, a lot of Western countries, 322 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:14.440 even when somebody goes missing there and they're a foreigner, it really isn't 323 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:18.799 taken that seriously, and sometimes it's even really minimized and parents have to fly 324 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:23.160 across to that country. Clause A big stink. And even then they could, 325 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:29.160 law enforcement is reticent to really do anything actionable. So in this case, 326 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:33.640 it's a country that's really quite poor. They don't have the resources allocated 327 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.640 that law enforcement does in the US or Canada or you know, many other 328 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.640 different places Australia wherever. And so I just don't know how much they would 329 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.119 be taking this seriously, because, like you said, Ash, they're gonna 330 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.880 be like, this is an adult woman who knows maybe she just ran away 331 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:51.480 with somebody, and if she didn't do that, it's a huge inconvenience for 332 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:56.119 us on many different levels. And the weird thing about the photographs and Claudia's 333 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.799 camera is that this wasn't the police taking the initiative to develop the role of 334 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:03.240 film. It was the hotel security and the hotel's staff, and they're coming 335 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.759 up with this story that, oh, there were no pictures taken, even 336 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:11.359 though it's like literally her job to go to tourist destinations and take photos and 337 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:14.839 document everything. So you know that that story isn't true, And you have 338 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.880 to wonder was there something on the film, a photo that they just did 339 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:22.440 not want anyone to see. During the initial stages of the investigation. Leo 340 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:27.559 Lambert, the head of corporate public relations for Sandal's Resorts, told the Kershaws 341 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.720 that he had seen Claudia at the resort on me the twenty eight, the 342 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.240 day after she was spotted on the beach, and that she also failed to 343 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:38.279 show up for her scheduled ride to the airport on the twenty nine. Lambert 344 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:44.079 would soon hold a press conference and take everyone by surprise by betraying Claudia as 345 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:48.079 an adventure seeker who had gone on a partying bench during her stay at nick 346 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:52.319 Rille. He said she smoked marijuana and had sex with one of the resort's 347 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:57.079 employees because she quote unquote doesn't mind screwing around sometimes. Lambert implied that Claudia 348 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.319 might have run off on her own in order to with a new Jamaican lover 349 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:07.279 and for yourself from her quote unquote oppressive American lifestyle. We'll leaedless to say 350 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.799 the kerr shots were taken completely aback by Lambert's comments. The information about Claudia's 351 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:18.000 encounter with Anthony Grant had been faxed to Lambert by tanyak Rosinger, but Tanya 352 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.720 was outraged about how Lambert misrepresented her story. Stating, quote, this is 353 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:27.359 pure character assassination. Is blamed the victim end quote. Tanya maintained that Claudia 354 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:33.160 had told her she only went skinny dipping with Anthony but specifically denied having sex 355 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:38.640 with him. Robin Okay, So Dania nails it right, Tanya nails it. 356 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:45.200 This is total victim blaming and shaming her for her behavior. You look 357 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.160 at what she did, right, She smoked weed, oh my goodness, 358 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.759 and she went skinny to being oh my goodness at age twenty nine. Right. 359 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.960 The fact that her sexuality and this desire to just have fun with somebody 360 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:02.960 was demonized is so sad. But the reality is is that it's not rare. 361 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:04.960 You know, she even set these boundaries where Tania is like, I 362 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.200 got to really advocate for her here. She said she would not have sex 363 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.160 with him. Right, there was a boundary there to me as a woman, 364 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:18.559 that is incredibly empowering. Right, I have, and I raised my 365 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:22.799 daughter to tell people what your boundaries are. Right for my daughter, she's 366 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:25.240 eight, so it's like, hey, I would prefer not to hug or 367 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:27.200 like I want to high five you instead. But when she gets older, 368 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:32.119 like I remember being sixteen and saying I will do X, Y and Z 369 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.279 with you, but I won't do A, B and C. And there's 370 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:38.240 power in that as a woman. There's pride in that as a woman, 371 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:45.720 and the fact that her sexuality, her kind of adventurous a nature was demonized 372 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.759 like this because she quote doesn't mind screwing around is makes me mad. If 373 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.680 you can't tell it makes me really mad. She's just a twenty nine year 374 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.519 old kid who had a really fun friend that she met, who wanted to 375 00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:00.759 go have fun, and she went did that. It should have never resulted 376 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:06.480 in any harm to her. You could just like smell this whiff of of 377 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:11.279 internalized misogyny within law enforcement, within the institution of that beach is the staff 378 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.759 there. I'm not saying that all people who working beaches have internalized misogyny. 379 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:21.880 It exists everywhere. But when you shame a woman for these choices, which 380 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.359 she's single, she's young, she's fun, she's successful. Why shouldn't she 381 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.799 be out there enjoying her time? What else is she supposed to do? 382 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:36.039 Sit by herself. I think she had a great time. She did exactly 383 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:40.960 what should be expected of a woman who's been kind of thrust into this situation 384 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:44.559 unwillingly, but she's making the best of it. And the fact that they're 385 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:48.519 shaming her for smoking weed, Like it's not like she had a brick of 386 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.920 cocaine and was like sitting and doing it until it was done. This is 387 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.200 like seriously, so ridiculous. But you know that they would not be judging 388 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.720 a male travel writer if he did the same thing with a female bartender. 389 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:04.880 Not at all. Yeahs, I was looking forward to seeing your reaction to 390 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:11.160 this because I knew it would piss you off because it is. Yeah, 391 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.640 I'm sweating a little bit, but it's fun. I'm gonna get it together. 392 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.680 And the fact that Lambert would take this limited information he heard about Claudia 393 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.839 and say, well, she went smoking marijuana and she went skinny to pingle 394 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:23.160 with a guy. That made you that she ran off on her own with 395 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.480 a new lover and is just hiding out voluntarily, Like how do you jump 396 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.200 to that conclusion? It just reeks of a guy who's trying to like blame 397 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.920 a victim so that there's no negative publicity surrounding the resort. And they don't 398 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.440 make it sound like, oh, this is a dangerous place and she might 399 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.759 have run into foul play. It's lazy. It's like when there used to 400 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.640 be missing kids or teenagers and you know, like when we were kids, 401 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:47.759 and it would be like, oh, they ran off to start her new 402 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:52.039 life, and it's like did you even look into it? Now there's all 403 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.720 these rules in place for you know, investigating missing kids and teenagers miners, 404 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.759 but before there wasn't and it would be like, well, they you know, 405 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.359 a way to join the circus. They ran away to do this, 406 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:07.319 and it's like you're just guessing, you're not actually investigating, and so you've 407 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.680 taken this this data here, and then you've kind of extrapolated that Claudia is 408 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:17.200 now running off like it just isn't in line with who she is and what 409 00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.880 her life is like. Just because she's cutting loose on vacation doesn't mean she's 410 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:25.039 ready to leave her life entirely. I love how she had an oppressed life 411 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:30.799 too, like what travel writer. And to hearken back to a previous episode, 412 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.039 they were seduced by the romantic allure of the carnival and ran away. 413 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.720 That's another guy were going to bring that up. Yeah, I thought of 414 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:42.279 you when I said it. Well, once Claudia's disappearance made news around the 415 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:48.680 island. Numerous eyewitnesses would report having seen her in various nightclubs and villages. 416 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.640 In some of these sightings, Claudia was supposedly in the company of a Rastafarian 417 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.799 man. However, Claudia's parents did not believe she took off on her own, 418 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.519 because, even though she did love to try will and go on adventures, 419 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.480 she always made sure to phone them and let them know where she was. 420 00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:10.960 Indeed, even after investigating over four hundred tips, the authorities were unable 421 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:15.119 to confirm any of the alleged sightings of Claudia or uncover any evidence that she 422 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:22.319 was still alive. The founder of Sandals Resorts Incorporated was Gordon Butch Stewart, 423 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:27.319 one of Jamaica's wealthiest and most influential residence. He personally called the Kerrshocks to 424 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:33.440 apologize for Lambert's comments at the press conference and assured them he had reprimanded his 425 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:38.160 staff for how they handled Claudia's disappearance. He also chipped in twenty five thousand 426 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:42.759 dollars towards a reward fund, and in total a reward of fifty thousand, 427 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:49.160 roughly twenty times the average annual income in Jamaica was offered for information. So 428 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:53.200 here. I mean, it's really great that Gordon Butch Stewart, he reaches 429 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:57.680 out and he apologizes for the comments that were made, But the reality is 430 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.440 that I don't care how much you reprimanded your staff at this point, I 431 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.880 need you to dive deep and I need you to help me figure out what 432 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:11.200 happened to my daughter, Like there should be an accountability there. For Gordon, 433 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.279 I have a feeling this was a business and for the Kurtshafs, this 434 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:19.759 was a daughter who's gone missing. Like I need you to go beyond an 435 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.480 apology. That doesn't help me. It doesn't give me any information. I 436 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:30.480 do appreciate the reward fund right fifty thousand dollars, which in Jamaica was going 437 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.680 to be a life changing amount. But I just feel like he could have 438 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:38.359 done more. He could have helped dive into like answering questions about where the 439 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.200 heck was her phone? Where was the camera? Like did you really do 440 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:47.000 an investigation with your staff or did you simply hold a meeting and say, 441 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.160 guys, this wasn't handled well, please don't do that again. I think 442 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:55.519 it feels like he's trying to play kate the public. And it's easier to 443 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.240 ask for forgiveness than for permission right to write at the beginning, be like, 444 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.400 hey, we're not going to do a proper investigation. Better to do 445 00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:07.799 like Amya Kalpa. And I've got to wonder how much is actually genuine and 446 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.240 how much is for optics and for protection of the integrity of the brand and 447 00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.240 of the resort. I mean, I can't speak to who he is as 448 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.480 a person, but I agree Ash, I think more could have been done 449 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.640 and more should have been done well for a clarification. The Kershawks would later 450 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.640 say good things about Gordon book Stewart. Apparently he did treat them well. 451 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:30.920 But I do think he probably could have done more considering how badly the staff 452 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.319 at his resort botched things up. Yeah, and I would just want answers 453 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.960 from him, like he had direct access to this staff, what did he 454 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.359 do? And he might have done want more than we know, right, 455 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.799 he really could have pulled people in. He could have sat down and questioned 456 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.039 them. He could have you know, gone through all of the information by 457 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:50.799 himself and said like, oh my god, my people really messed up, 458 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.279 and how do you fix that, but man, when it comes to people 459 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.599 that own these resorts, I don't know. I might just be cynical, 460 00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.039 but I feel like at the end of the day, again, like Jules, 461 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:05.319 you mentioned the institutional protection, I really feel like that's hard to get 462 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:09.319 away from when you look at these kind of financially driven institutions. I'm with 463 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:13.559 you, and if you put up a reward and you're one of the most 464 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:17.240 influential people there and you know that somebody could come forward with something that could 465 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.720 be damaging to your brand, I think you're going to make sure that they 466 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.359 don't or that person will be dissuaded from doing so. So are you putting 467 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.440 up a reward that's genuine? Are you trying to get outside information when I 468 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.319 feel like you have access to all of the people that would have had information 469 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.079 at your fingertips, and somehow you're unable to come up with anything. And 470 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.680 I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but I'm like you, Ash, 471 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:44.599 I'm just super cynical when I hear that somebody's that rich, that powerful, 472 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.680 that plugged in, and yet we have no answers, And it seems clear 473 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:54.519 that whatever happened happened either at the property or with somebody related to that property. 474 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.960 So the fact that there's no information, no one's come forward, I 475 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:05.240 think is strange. The Kershots expressed their dissatisfaction towards the investigation from the Jamaica 476 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:09.119 Constabulary Force, claiming that the local authorities were uncooperative with them and would not 477 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:15.760 let them examine Claudia's investigative file. They actually managed to lobby a congressman into 478 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:19.920 contacting the Jamaican government, where he informed them that he was attaching a rider 479 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.840 to a new bill giving funds to their country. The riders stated that the 480 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.559 funds would be withheld if the government did not allow the FBI to assist with 481 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.920 the investigation, so the government agreed to the request, marking the first time 482 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:37.280 the FBI had ever investigated the disappearance of an American citizen in Jamaica. They 483 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:42.320 arrived in July and were accompanied by canine handler Harry Oakes Junior, the head 484 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.920 of International Canine Search and Rescue Services, who brought along his tracking dog, 485 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.920 Valerie. Valerie wo attract Claudia sent along seven Mile Beach, as well as 486 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.119 a gate leading to the street and a nearby wooded area, but most Disturbingly, 487 00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:00.559 she also picked up Claudia's scent in the trunk and back seat. Anthony 488 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.840 grants Toyota Corolla, and a strand of what appeared to be Claudia's hair was 489 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.639 found in the backseat as well. When Valerie searched for Anthony's house, claudias 490 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.639 scent was picked up on a pair of boots as well as a pair of 491 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:16.559 gloves inside a suitcase underneath Anthony's bed. Okay, let me ask you this. 492 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.360 I'm pretty sure that that scent is like decay, human decay, But 493 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:24.840 is it? Could it just have been that he was with her, like 494 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.039 we know Anthony was with her, or does it have to be after death 495 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.360 of these canines are picking up that scent. That's a good question. I 496 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.559 don't know how it applies with this particular dog, but I do agree with 497 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.559 you. Her scent showing up in Anthony's car is not all that unusual, 498 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:45.000 because they did go out a couple nights earlier. But her scent paying picked 499 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:46.960 up in the trunk, though, is more disturbing because I don't think she 500 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:52.000 would climb in there voluntarily, And also the fact that her scent was on 501 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.880 some gloves, which Anthony would probably not be wearing on a date. So 502 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:59.400 regardless of whether or not it was a decaying sent, the fact that claudias 503 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.800 scent was there at all is a bit distressing. True, But I'm wondering 504 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:06.639 if like you could mix that, like I don't know how it works, 505 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.440 and like you said, it could be with this dog, how it works 506 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.960 if it's just Claudia's presence. This is when I'm watching like a true crime 507 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.079 show where I'm reading a case and someone's like, I've never been with her. 508 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:20.039 I'm like, oh, you just screwed yourself bad. You should have 509 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.679 said, yeah, I've had her in my car before, Yes, I've 510 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.280 been in her home before. That way, when you have a link to 511 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.719 her with some kind of scientific evidence, it's like, well, I can 512 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.800 explain that I told you I've been with her before. So I'm wondering, 513 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.880 could there be any kind of trance first sent? Could they have folded up 514 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.400 blankets they were laying on or kissing on, or these kinds of things in 515 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:45.199 the trunk gloves little weird unless there was some kind of transfer there, But 516 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.599 overall, just having Claudia link to Anthony with some kind of what we've proven 517 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.360 to be somewhat faux science. I'm not completely going yep, Anthony's guilty, 518 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.280 but I mean, obviously it doesn't look good for Anthony. Well, sort 519 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.199 of like bite mark evidence or whatever, right, like, there are times 520 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.719 what it is correct or polygraphs, it's something that can point you in the 521 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.760 right direction, but we do have false convictions, and you know, dog 522 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:14.039 evidence won't stand up in a quart of law because there isn't any standardized test 523 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.519 across the US, even for you know, cadaver dogs or for scent dogs, 524 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.239 and they train them in different ways, some on pseudocent some on like 525 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.920 the smell of chickens, some on actual decaying human flesh in certain places. 526 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:31.199 So there's a varying degree of ways that they train these dogs. So if 527 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:36.840 you don't have a standardized approach and standardized tests for these dogs across all states, 528 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.159 how could you ever bring that evidence to court because then it comes down 529 00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:45.920 to the handlers as well. It's so subjective, just like polygraphs. So 530 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:51.440 yeah, it is compelling. I am really interested in why those gloves would 531 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.360 have been a strong scent and they're underneath the bed that's a little weird, 532 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.599 and the trunk as well. I mean, it is possible, like what 533 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.920 you said, Ash, there could have been some think but I think that 534 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.599 they would have been able to rule that out, or they would have mentioned 535 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:06.000 that, like, hey, it was on a piece of clothing in the 536 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.119 trunk, but the fact that it was just in the trunk is very strange. 537 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:13.239 But the fact that her hair is around doesn't seem all that odd because 538 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.960 it is established already that they were spending time together. But yeah, you're 539 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:21.320 right, not ivory cadaver dog is one hundred percent reliable. And of course 540 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.800 one of the most controversial examples is the Mattel in the Can case, where 541 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.960 a dog detected madelin scent in the trunk of her parents rental car, except 542 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.920 the car was not rented until several weeks after she disappeared, So that's always 543 00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:36.480 been taken as an unreliable piece of evidence. So for all you know, 544 00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.960 the same could ring true here. Yeah, and that was one of the 545 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.760 top dog handlers in the world, Martin Grimes, who still I believes works 546 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.000 with the FBI, and he is excellent. So you can't ever get one 547 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:52.400 hundred percent degree of certainty with something like that, even when you're dealing with 548 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.079 some of the best dogs in the business and one of the best handlers in 549 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.199 the business, So we don't know what type of training this dog had and 550 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.480 what sort of special sophicity or its area of expertise, so it is hard 551 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:08.119 to go off of that entirely. When he was first questioned by the Jamaica 552 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:14.519 Constabulary Force, Anthony denied ever meeting Claudia, and they pretty much took him 553 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.320 at his word. But it turned out that Anthony had called in sick at 554 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:22.960 his bartending job on May twenty eighth, the day after Claudia was last seen, 555 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:27.679 and he did not return to work for four days. He was reinterviewed 556 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.360 by the FBI and given a polygraph, which he wound up failing. Upon 557 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.800 learning this, Anthony finally admitted to having gone out with Claudia on May twenty 558 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.679 fifth, and said that he only lied because he had another girlfriend at the 559 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:45.159 time and his employer had a strict policy against dating guests. Anthony claimed that 560 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.800 he had sex with Claudia and went out with her again a second time on 561 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.360 the evening of May twenty six, but he never saw her after that. 562 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:58.880 However, his story was contradicted by Tanya Grossinger, who maintained she had dinner 563 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.320 with Claudia on the of the twenty sixth, and that Claudia denied having sex 564 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.880 with Anthony. Even though Anthony failed a number of questions on his polygraph. 565 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:12.800 When he was directly asked if he killed Claudia and responded no, the results 566 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.159 indicated that he was telling the truth. The mad from Anthony's car trunk, 567 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:21.000 as well as the boots and gloves, were given to the FBI Response team 568 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.719 and taken to their forensic laboratory in the US. DNA testing on the items 569 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:31.079 proved inconclusive and no evidence of foul play could be found. A knife was 570 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:36.280 also taken from Anthony's residence, which appeared to have a small amount of blood 571 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.920 on the blade, but the sample was too small to perform a thorough analysis. 572 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:45.440 The Jamaica Constabulary Force have since stated that they do not consider Anthony to 573 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.440 be a suspect in the disappearance, but he would still be fired from Sandals 574 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.360 Resorts, who considered his unprofessional conduct with a guest to be a breach of 575 00:40:54.440 --> 00:41:01.000 company policy. Anthony hired an attorney who has continually maintained his client's innocence and 576 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:07.039 publicly questioned the credibility of Valerie the tracking dog. I would be in the 577 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.559 same boat even as the family of Claudia. I would be going wait dog 578 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:15.159 tracking evidence. That's the only thing we have. Because you've got to remember, 579 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.440 a dog is trained by a human being. It's an incredibly subjective science. 580 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:23.559 It is a very highly influenced science by the handlers and those kinds of 581 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:29.320 things, even when there's no purposeful control of the dog. Right, that's 582 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.880 their baby, that's the dog that they trained, and they trained it, 583 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:36.199 like you said, jewels, and in many different ways. There's no standard 584 00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:44.079 training. So even like stances and looks and reactions from the owner can change 585 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:49.639 the way that the dog behaves. So I would be intrigued. Perhaps my 586 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.440 ears would perk, but that would not be something I would hang my hat 587 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.800 on. I also have to go back to where Tanya says, like, 588 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:59.199 listen, I'm guarantee you that they did not have sex. Right, that 589 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:04.000 Claudia confided in her that she and Anthony had not had sex. I don't 590 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.880 know how important that is, Like why is that important? You have Anthony 591 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:14.920 who says we did to me, that's a pretty self incriminating big claim where 592 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:16.800 there would be no reason for him to lie about that, Like, I 593 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.679 feel like at this point, he's like, Yeah, I was with her, 594 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.320 Yes, I hung out with her, we smoked weed, I had 595 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.360 sex with her. I completely violated a company policy which landed him in hot 596 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:30.199 water. But he's being transparent. It sounds like, and then you have 597 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:36.800 Tanya who's saying that did not happen. If I was with an older lady 598 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.880 at a resort who was trying to book her butt home and I was sitting 599 00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:45.559 there hanging out and kind of feeling the bartender, would Tanya be somebody that 600 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.000 I confided in about my intimate relationship, or would I try to persent myself 601 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:52.760 in a little bit different way, like I'm on a work trip. I 602 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.559 don't want her to know I'm having sex with a bartender. I could see 603 00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:59.880 that being the case as well. So I'm wondering, how does it bene 604 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.039 in him to lie and does it even play into this whether they were intimate 605 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.880 or not. Everyone knows they were together. Okay, but what if they 606 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.480 found her body and let's just say that Anthony allegedly had raped her and he 607 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.519 knew if they come across the body, they're going to find semen inside her, 608 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:22.119 so I better set up a situation where we had consensual sex. So 609 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.800 it then explains the way whatever evidence they find on her body. Yep, 610 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:32.039 Okay, you win. Yep, that's totally true. So I feel you 611 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:37.480 there, Tanya would be in your mind. Tanya saying I know for a 612 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:39.480 fact she had set her boundaries to where I'm gonna have fun with you, 613 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.960 but there's not going to be anything sexual with you, and then Anthony saying, 614 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:45.360 oh, no, no, no, we had sex in a way 615 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.679 to almost preserve and protect himself when what we talked about earlier, when you 616 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.679 do find evidence that we were together, when you do find my DNA, 617 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:58.239 I'm going to make sure you know I was very present in that situation. 618 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:00.840 I do think one of the biggest holes in Anthony's story is that he says 619 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.400 they went out together on the evening of May twenty six, whereas Tanya saying, 620 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:07.559 no, Claudia was having dinner with me on the evening of the twenty 621 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:12.079 six. I mean, I guess it's possible that Claudia could have gone out 622 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.719 with Anthony after the dinner was completed, but I think that's one of the 623 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.360 reasons that Tanya is adamant that Claudia was telling me the truth when she said 624 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.280 she didn't have sex with them, because she was referring to a date from 625 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.199 the night before when they had gone skinny dipping together on the twenty fifth, 626 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:29.480 But Anthony is making it sound like they also went out again for a second 627 00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.760 time, even though Claudia said that she turned him down. I don't think 628 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.840 either of them are very reliable narrators when it comes to knowing exactly what Claudia 629 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.239 chose to do sexually. Because I agree with you Ash, I don't think 630 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.400 that she's going to tell Tanya this is a colleague, somebody who she works 631 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:51.719 with. She may want to have this appearance of being like more chaste, 632 00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.480 I mean, because sometimes as people get older, they can judge those that 633 00:44:54.519 --> 00:45:00.880 are young and more carefree. And maybe she didn't feel comfortable disclose details such 634 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.400 as that. But then we also could have Anthony, who's got a million 635 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.920 different reasons to lie and say, yeah, we had sex when maybe he 636 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.079 forced himself upon her. And I'm not saying that happened, but you know, 637 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.880 there obviously is that potential there. The FBI would also question Leo Lambert, 638 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:20.480 who admitted that he lied to the Kerrshaks about having seen Claudia at the 639 00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:24.199 resort on May the twenty eighth because he wanted to protect Sandal's reputation and save 640 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:29.880 his job. Interestingly enough, it turned out that Lambert took four days off 641 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:34.440 from work at the exact same time as Anthony Grant and even tried to obtain 642 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.800 a new passport on short notice. And another odd turn of events, on 643 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.960 the same weekend Claudia disappeared, two men apparently showed up at the front desk 644 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.559 at Beach's Nigrill and asked for her by name. Investigators were able to track 645 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:50.960 these men down, and one of them happened to be a jet ski instructor 646 00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.119 of the resort, but they denied being there that particular weekend or having asked 647 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:59.280 for Claudia. In June of two thousand and one, the Kerrshaks received an 648 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:04.000 anonymous her which stated that Claudia had gone to a party with Anthony Grant where 649 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.360 a date rape drug was slipped into her drink, causing her to go into 650 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:12.480 convulsions and fatally overdose. Fred and Mary Anne hired a private investigator to look 651 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.679 into all the different tips they received, but he never found anything to substantiate 652 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.800 them, and the investigation hit a brick wall. So let me ask you 653 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.719 this. In Natalie Holloway's case, wasn't that one of the claims that she 654 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:28.599 had been at a party and had had a drug overdose and so then they 655 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.239 quote hit her body. Oh yeah, there have been just so many different 656 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:35.079 theories. That is one of the most prominent ones. But the big problem 657 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.840 is that the prime suspect you're on, Vandersloot, has changed his story so 658 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:42.039 many times. But some people do believe that's what happened to her, that 659 00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.159 she just took a date rate drub An, overdosed and they tossed her body 660 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.960 into the ocean or something. Isn't he serving time for killing another woman? 661 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.599 Though? Oh yeah, We're gonna talk more about him in part two. 662 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:55.360 But yes, he's a very unreliable narrator to see the least. Well, 663 00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:59.559 I wouldn't put this past people. You know, you're down in Jamaica. 664 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:05.400 You have you young American women coming to these local bars, like we saw 665 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:09.079 that Claudia actually went into these kind of more local and exclusive bars where she 666 00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:15.519 wasn't at tourist spaces. So I could see where locals would target someone who's 667 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.239 out of their element, someone who doesn't have any protection around them, and 668 00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:23.480 someone who really does seem to be more of a easy target to take advantage 669 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:28.280 of. I mean, it's often assumed United States citizens carry more money on 670 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.400 them that you know there's something prestigious or special about them, Like I could 671 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.800 see that being a very common occurrence. You come to our place, We're 672 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.159 going to do what we want with you. Because you're out of kind of 673 00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:45.719 your your space. You should have stayed in those tourist spaces. In May 674 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:50.039 two thousand and two, at the request of her parents, Claudia was declared 675 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:54.239 legally dead by a superior court judge who ruled that it was unlikely she disappeared 676 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:59.280 of her own volition. This opened the door for the Kershocks to buy a 677 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:04.360 lawsuit against Sandals Resorts, Incorporated, where they alleged that the employees from Beaches 678 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:09.559 Negro withheld information about what happened to their daughter and purposefully destroyed evidence in order 679 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:15.920 to impede the investigation. This would have required the resort's employees to be deposed 680 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.559 and answer questions about this case while under oath, and the civil trial was 681 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:24.280 scheduled to take place in December two thousand and five. That same year, 682 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:30.400 Claudia's disappearance would garner some additional attention when eighteen year old Natalie Holloway went missing 683 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:37.199 from Aruba and the case became a worldwide media sensation. A number of media 684 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.159 outlets would make comparisons between the two cases, and at one point a Jamaican 685 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:46.039 caller phoned an American radio station to say that two men had once told him 686 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.559 the Claudia was buried in a fifty five gallon drum, and they knew where 687 00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.440 it was buried. But once again, this lead never went anywhere. Anyway, 688 00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:00.920 We've been unable to find any information about whether or not the civil trial 689 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:06.519 between the Kershocks and Sandals Resorts Incorporated actually took place and what might have happened 690 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.440 there. But according to a memoir published by Tanya Grossinger, in which she 691 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:15.679 devoted a chapter to this case, the two sides ultimately reached a confidential settlement 692 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:20.800 in two thousand and seven. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there have been 693 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.840 any further developments in this case since then, and after two decades, Claudia's 694 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:30.320 disappearance continues to remain unsolved. So I guess you could say the path went 695 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.920 chilly. Well, when you look at this case, it's one of those 696 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:38.519 where I feel like a civil case would be an obvious like I'm pretty sure 697 00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:45.840 that Sandals knew this was coming if there was a civil trial, because to 698 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:51.679 the family, you had a responsibility to provide a safe environment. Now I 699 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.360 could see Sandals saying, well, when you leave our property, we no 700 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.440 longer can keep you safe, like we don't have that accountability. But then 701 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:01.519 the family, he has many many things to look at here and say you 702 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:06.280 messed up, Like once you knew our daughter was missing, once you knew 703 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.199 she was not in her room, that she did not check out when she 704 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:14.320 was supposed to, you had a responsibility to communicate that, to preserve some 705 00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:16.719 of the information in her room, to not steal her cell phone, to 706 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:22.679 not develop those photos, to maybe grab the surveillance cameras and look at them 707 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.159 in regards to why she didn't show back up to check out, and they 708 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.599 didn't do that. I think one of the reasons you see Gordon act so 709 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:34.760 quickly to say, let me give reward money, let me make sure that 710 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.559 you know how sorry I am is because he was trying to thwart this idea 711 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.800 that you know, maybe she'll show up, Maybe the family will think we've 712 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.039 done the best we can and they won't bring a civil case. But to 713 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.960 me, that's a no brainer. You better show me how you did everything 714 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.440 to provide us not just the safety of our daughter, but then to help 715 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:57.360 us find where she is. No money would ever bring back their daughter, 716 00:50:57.559 --> 00:50:59.440 but at least it would be something to say, I'm going to hold you 717 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.039 accountable. Well, so hopefully the next kiddo that comes here, the next 718 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.599 young woman that comes here, the next travel blogger that comes here, any 719 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.559 guest on your property is never going to walk off your property not come back. 720 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:14.159 And you kind of handle it in the way that you did right. 721 00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.519 It's an accountability and saying you could do better, you will do better from 722 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.760 here on out. And that's why I wish there was more information about the 723 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:23.400 civil trial, because I really would have liked to have seen some of the 724 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:29.360 employees testify and try to justify some of their actions, particularly Leo Lambert, 725 00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:32.840 because he was the one who pushed forward the cover story that Claudia was cremiscuous 726 00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:36.920 and had run off with a Jamaican man. And then you got this incriminating 727 00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.760 information that he tried to get a new passport right after she went missing, 728 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.280 almost as if he felt, well, there might be a time I need 729 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.360 to leave the country, so he had to wonder did he know something? 730 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.880 What was this guy hiding? But unfortunately, it doesn't look like this civil 731 00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:53.039 trial uncovered any new information that would help them learn the truth about what happened. 732 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.239 So I think that about brings an end to part one. But join 733 00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.920 us next week as we present part two of our series, The Disappearance of 734 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.719 Claudia Kershock Robin. Do you want to tell us a little bit about the 735 00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.719 Trail Went Cold Patreon? Yes, The Trail Cold Patreon has been around for 736 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:13.760 three years now, and we offer the standard bonus features like early ad free 737 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:17.440 episodes, and I also send out stickers and sign thank you cards to anyone 738 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:22.039 who signs up with us on Patreon. 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