Hi, this is the Everything Else Show. This is when I do shows
of things that kind of fascinate me. And I heard about our guest tonight,
Nelson Dullas, through Dave Scott. I was on his radio program out
west in British Columbia, and so he connected us. And I'm very honored
to have an incredible human. He's been considered one of the superhumans. Here
he is Nelson Dallas. Hey, hey Marton, how you doing good?
Good? Thank you for being willing to come on. Yeah, of course,
no problem. Well, uh, you know, the memory thing is
really I think it's fascinating. But you're also you've done so many different things,
So what a background? And when I said a superhuman, weren't you
part of some competition, like a superhuman competition or something. Yeah? Yeah,
there was a Fox show I had like two seasons I think, but
it was called Superhumans and they just collected a bunch of people who could do
seemingly superhuman things and it was like a competition, talent show kind of thing
for money. I see. Yeah, And how did you do on that
one? In particularly? I did not win. I was up against some
tough competition. The person who went on my show was a young kid.
I think it was like fourteen fifteen calculator, so he could do in the
same calculations really fast, and he was a charming little kid. So no,
hope, hard to compete. Yeah, I know the people that can.
I mean, you can probably do hie for a while too, even
I don't know you have that memorized, but I mean I do figures thousands
of digits, is that right? That's amazing that. That's always just fascinating
me. I love watching things like that, how people have these abilities.
And I remember there was there was something they called the Raymond of York,
a guy from York, Maine, and he was autistic, but I'm telling
you he could. He ever remembered dates going all the way back to the
Civil War. Oh wow. I confused a date that my son was born
on because he was born on a thirteenth of the month, and you know
how your mind can kind of group things. So I said, no,
he was born on a Friday. He said, no, he wasn't.
He was born on a Monday. And then he got really upset because I
was challenging him, and he was absolutely right. But that's that's always been
fascinating to me. But we're here to talk about a little bit about the
memory part but also viewing, which has As soon as I am heard that
you were getting involved in that, Uh, that's I had. I don't
know if you know who Edwin see Edwin c May from Y. Yeah,
I had him on my show several years ago from was it Stargate project right
seventies. Yeah, he's probably the person who's who's who's researched this, the
most fascinating person to talk to, so credible too. Which Yeah, I've
talked to him a number of a number of times and we've had great conversations.
He's a physicist, so that's my background, and so when we talked
together, I feel like I'm talking to somebody that I know and trust and
believe in. So it just adds to the whole, my whole belief system.
You know. Yeah, what was that there was a movie The Men
Who Stare at Goats or something like that. Was that that was more or
less about that? Yeah? It was, Yeah, exactly, it's it's
I think it's a comedy. It's it's not a good movie. Unfortunately,
George Clooney's in it. Spacey's in it. Yeah, tons of Jeff Bridges
I think, and even McGregor, great cast, you know, but I
don't know. It's I do know that it's like an amalgamation, an amalgamation
of all kind of these sigh stories and legends, some true, some not,
some kind of blurred together. But yeah, they took quite a few
liberties with the truth, I think. So, oh, that's too bad
they They probably didn't even have to. It's probably spectacular enough, yeah,
without having to do that. So what what made you look into remote viewing
to begin with? So, yeah, it's it's it's it's an interesting story.
I was reached out, well, not personally, but there was a
message board for us memory athletes, the people who do these memory competitions,
on Facebook, and it was a message very vague, saying, you know,
here's a gig basically, get paid a little bit of money to learn
some skill and to apply it part time. Whatever. That's it, right.
I'm usually interested in these kinds of things because I've I've had some very
interesting job opportunities or one off gigs, you know, because of memory that
have kind of seemingly nothing to do with memory. And it's just a fun
ride so I always throw my hat in the ring and see what happens,
you know. Yeah, so I did. I got a call maybe the
next day, and it was from a very eclectic guy who, straight from
the bat off the bat was like, Hey, have you heard of remote
viewing? And I said no, and what is that is? You know,
it was during COVID time, So I was like, is that like,
you know, you're watching TV remote from somewhere else? Like, I
mean, that's what we do now, that's not that you know. No,
He's like, no, it's you ever heard of this government program where
they use psychic spies. And I was like, I think I've heard of
something like that. I don't know, but my eyes at that point were
rolling in the back of my head. I was like, Okay, here
we go, right, this is it's one of these. And I also
felt like maybe there's some scam or they're gonna ask me for money or something
like that. They didn't. In fact, they were going to pay me
to train me a memory athlete, because supposedly in their little research group they
had an idea or they wanted to test out the idea that people like me
who have highly trained visual abilities through the memory thing would be better remote viewers
spistically, so they wanted to test that out. I was paired with a
remote viewing expert coach for a month. We trained every day for an hour
or two, and yeah, I was paid a little bit. And then
the goal was after the month, I was going to be doing these tasks
for this company, which was basically a trading firm. They were trying to
predict you know, stock movement, oh stock with us, with me and
other viewers. Yeah, that's a dangerous game, I would think. Yeah,
I mean it's not my money, so whatever. Yeah, yeah,
that's that's how it started. So I was very skeptical at first, but
I thought two things. I'll make a little bit of cash. I have
the time, and cool story, right we are, cool story that I
can maybe put in a footnote in a book some day or something. Yeah.
So before I asked the next question, what it is and what it
isn't I was on a radio show. I was on audio only, and
the guy said, I do this to every guest remote viewing. So I
something on my desk, Tell me what it is, And I just said
the first thing that popped in my mind. I said something that looks like
a turtle, and he said, well, it's a hard hat. So
yeah, that's close enough. I mean, that's that was my only experience
and was just it's just whatever popped in my mind. I don't know why
that did, but that's awesome. I mean, yeah, and it's probably
nothing to it. But let me ask you a couple of things here.
Do you think that it necessary it doesn't necessarily or it does necessarily take someone
with a visual and good memory like you have, or do you think that
about anyone could try it and do it. Yeah, so I wasn't convinced
that it made a difference. I mean, I think from the statistics that
I have from the trial that did for them, and I've done a ton
of trials. Personally, I feel like I'm okay, I'm maybe not amazing.
I think I'm maybe better than okay, just good. But I don't
think it's well, I don't know, frankly, and I think from their
end, I don't think it was conclusive whether that was true or not.
I think anybody can do this. I do think it's kind of like,
you know, maybe one's ability to learn languages, let's say, or music.
You know, some people may have more of a gift, you know
that it comes naturally to them. But everybody can play the piano, you
know what I mean. I just can't all be Mozart. So I think
there's definitely people who are playing up here. I don't have to try too
hard. People like Joe mcmonagle, yeah, I know that name, and
Hingo Swan Ingo Swan, Yeah, and I know how put Off had something
in this, and I know there's some others, but I can't think of
their names. There was one guy, Oh, mcconagall, That's who I
was thinking of. He did a lot of the training as well, didn't
he Ye, yep, he was part of that, and we interviewed him
for a project recently and ma just listening to him, you know, it's
the amount of detail and the proof and he's one of the only, I
think the only remote viewer that has been so widely televised performing his ability.
You know, if you want to talk about debunking or proving or whatever,
there's proof. Granted, these are TV shows, but a lot of these
shows are. They basically had panels of judges that would try to debunk what
he was doing. And you know, the proof is in the pudding what
he's doing there? So now, wait, I've had this weird thing going
on with my girlfriend and I. We have these weird synchronicities, I mean
really really weird constantly. I mean, like last I'll give you an example.
This is just a minor one compared to some of the ones that have
happened. Last night, I was asking her where we saw Justin Hayward from
the Moody Blues and what was the name of the theater and she said it
was The Monkey in Plymouth, New Hampshire. And just at that moment I
got an email and I've only gotten a couple for like a bands in town,
that's what it's called, and but never of Justin Hayward. And it's
Justin Hayward in the top. The first place he's playing is at that venue.
And I got that email at the same exact time, you know,
And I'm what I'm getting. I mean, that was That's just one thing.
There's been so many things. But anyway, does synchronicities is that?
Is there any part of that that could play a role in in this type
of situation? What do you think about some mini cities anyway? Yeah,
I think it you know, if we're going to try to get down to
like why I think remote dealing works the bottom lines, I don't know,
and maybe have some ideas and fantasies about what could be interesting if it was.
But I think whatever it is, I think it permeates into a lot
of the human experience more than we care to give it credit for. I
think there's a lot of unseen connections between all of us beings with consciousness,
perhaps yea, and I would imagine I like to think this that perhaps people
who are maybe more more emotionally connected, like you and your girlfriend, a
significant other, even twins, right, maybe have this even more so.
So, Yeah, things like that where you you're kind of on the same
wavelength, you pick up on things simultaneously, or you can kind of predict
or read each other's minds. It feels like sometimes I think it's probably more
common than we think. Granted, you know, if you're living with someone,
you can probably you're probably picking up on cues that you're not aware of,
right just you know, maybe you sense things with you know, a
second before you even realize it. But I think there are also some of
these instances where it's just like you can't explain it. You just know it
and there's no other explanation. And I think possibly lives in the realm of
what is happening with remote viewing and these PSI abilities, so like intuition,
and yeah, whenever I talk about this, because I always feel a bit
shy to come forward and explain that I'm into this, it's it's a big
departure. You're in the right place. Yeah, I feel very comfortable here,
but from my background and everything that I've believed in my life, it's
a big departure for me in recent years. So it's it's a bit challenging
for me to step foot in there, you know, and people will criticize,
but I'm okay because I've experiences and i feel like I've done enough in
it and then studied it enough that I'm not just throwing stuff out there.
I feel like I've had an experience and I'm explaining my experience, and that's
that's kind of it. I'm not saying for sure that it's it's it's real,
or that there's something really paranormal going on, but my personal feeling is
that there is so yeah, but what but what I was going to say
is that when people question this and they don't understand what the hell I'm talking
about, I say, hey, we all have this feeling of having a
gut feeling, right yeah, I think everybody can relate to that, where
you know something's wrong, you just feel it, or you maybe feel somebody's
following you or staring at you. This intuition, right, I shouldn't do
this decision, or I should go somewhere else right right now? We all
have that can relate to that, And I think that's kind of the starting
point of what this really is about, is that we're able to pick up
on information that isn't really perceivable, but we just feel like we know it,
you know. Yeah, Yeah, I've had things where I'm just absolutely
certain about something and you know, I mean, but some of it could
be coincidence that you know, there's so I you know, someone's asking for
you to please share your experiences. I'll get to that, and that can
you please explain what remote viewing is and is not, just so it's clear
to the people you know watching and we'll be listening. Yeah, let's see
if again. So at its base, it's it's it's basically ESP all right,
So some extrasensory perception, specifically remote viewing. I define it as the
kind of controlled protocol that one does to try to perceive things that are not
local, meaning nearby, or perceivable by our normal five senses. Okay,
so what that might mean is I could potentially perceive something in a bunker in
Siberia, right, or see something on the moon, right, And it's
it's also a local remote meaning now the future of the past potentially, even
so it's not limited to time and space, you know. And then in
terms of viewing, the remote viewing part, you know, it implies that
you're you're seeing, right, but I think a better term to go by
is perceiving, right, So not necessarily seeing with your eyeballs, but just
kind of like feeling and sensing data. And also what it's not is is,
well, this may vary maybe for the best remote viewers it's it's quite
different, but ultimately it's not you know, it's not in high fidelity what
you're perceiving. You can imagine that maybe you have like a film, like
a sheet, a black sheet, right, with little holes in it,
right, And what you can see is if you were to look through this
tiny, little pinhole, you know, and sometimes you maybe get a slightly
bigger pinhole or a few different pinholes, and you can kind of get more
of the picture, but it's not like I'm looking at something. Maybe people
who are better at this can see more, but usually the data that we
get is quite weak and not super clear, but it is still something,
and I think that counts for a lot, because it's coming from somewhere that
isn't possible through the normal senses. Yeah, speaking of normal senses, you
know, I say this on the show that I do about UFO US a
lot that we probably know very little of what's actually going around us on around
us all the time with the senses that we have, the spectrum and all
of our other senses. Maybe electronic sensors can pick up things like that.
But I've also heard people talk about everything's on a vibration and everything is like
connected, you know, I mean, you know, which is another fascinating
realm of kind of along the lines of possibly where you're talking about. Yeah,
Yeah, I've heard, you know, people explain potentially what's going on
there too, and I think it kind of vibes with what I'm saying as
well. So so I guess, you know, for there's a lot of
people asking they're they're trying to get to answer what color is their shirt and
what they had for dinner and stuff like that, So what is uh?
I mean, let's let's just say you're about ready to do a session.
I'm not saying you are, but just saying, how does one set how's
it set up? And how how does all that work? Yeah, that's
a great for those asking that question. That's exactly what I was doing too
with my remote viewing coach the first day. I was like, all,
right, here we go. What am I about to say? What did
I do you know this morning? What am I going to do tonight?
You know? And I was surprised to learn that it wasn't quite that.
Maybe a little bit disappointed even too, because I was like, Okay,
I'm going to learn how to be a psychic and I can just tell the
future, right. But again, I think it's helpful to think like there's
you're looking through a pinhole here, and so it's you can imagine how blurry
and how you can't see very wide, right, so it's very limited in
what you can do. So knowing that and ED may will say this too,
that it's not the best way to get information. They're probably better ways,
you know, especially now with satellite and all that stuff. But if
you want to talk about the cheapest, well, and if you can actually
look across time too, then that's something we can't do otherwise. But for
what it costs to do that, it's it's actually pretty cost effective because you
just need your mind in a piece of paper and a pen. Right anyway,
So when when I sit down to do a session, what's really important
is and again I don't know why, I don't have any explanation for this,
but it works best when it's blind. What you're doing is completely blind,
right, So if somebody were asking me, like, what color is
shortened am I wearing? I already know I'm trying to guess a color,
right, and I probably don't know the person. But you know, if
I even look at their name, their user name, or I can see
where they're from, I'm suddenly going to have things that are going to buy
us potentially what I guess. Okay, So, and Joe mcmonagle is very
adamant about you know, whenever you do a session has to be double blind.
Double blind being meaning the person doing the task has no idea what is
the thing you're trying to see, and even the person who's assigning the task
doesn't know. Okay, so how does that I'm trying to figure out how
that works. So like if someone has handed something and then they hand it
to someone else and basically yeah, I said, yeah, And so what
I get as as the remote viewer, I essentially get a six to eight
digit number, totally random, and that number is associated. So someone designed
sets up this target where the number actually represents some thing, and that thing
could be you know, I'm just trying to guess what a picture is,
let's say, or you know, I don't know in the government whatever they
were trying to spy on, you know, what's at these coordinates, right,
something like that. But as as the viewer, I don't. I
don't know anything. The less I know, the better this works. Okay,
the whole Yeah, because the whole thing is based on what we talked
about before, intuition and kind of this kind of subconscious unconscious mind all right,
anytime, and our minds are always trying to make logical sense of the
things we don't understand. So as soon as I have information, my my,
you know, logical mind is trying to make reason out of it,
and that's what we have to block out. That's really what this whole skill
is about, is quieting that analytical mind because it's going to try to make
sense out of what seems like just noise, right, But the actual process
is about honing and nurturing that intuitive streamline and a set of information coming through.
So I'll have this task number. I'll sit down. There's a whole
protocol that I go through, and essentially it boils down to me just feeling
what comes down on the paper, you know, And there's steps that I
go through to kind of explore that. And again, I'm trying to quiet
out the mind. So I might you know, I'm starting with colors,
right, I see blue, white, red, right, And even already
there, I might think to myself, hey, are we talking about this
is the flag? Maybe an American flag? Right? I have to shut
that guy up, And there's ways, there's little tricks and techniques to do
that, but it's very hard. It's hard to stop that because our minds
wander, right, But you put that aside and you just kind of keep
going with the flow of information. That comes down to the paper from your
hands, right, something will come. If you write something, it will
happen. Right, Where is that coming from? What is that? Right?
And that's that's this this flow of information that is it pard me for
interrupting, But is it? Is it drawing a picture or is it actually
words? Yep, it's a bit of both. So you'll start by kind
of writing descriptors, and it helps to have kind of an ordering. You
know, you could do colors, dimensions, sounds, tastes, movements,
things like that, and then you do like a very basic sketch again,
kind of taking what you've described, but also kind of free hand impulsive intuitive
what happens with your hand as you make something on the paper. I know,
this all sounds wild. And then depending on how in depth you've been
trained, there's other steps you can go to go even further. So the
first sketch you do might have some kind of significant points on it or figures
right that are kind of vague, and then you can do a session on
each of those and get even more information. You know, maybe you have
like this kind of circular blob thing here, and then like a triangular angle
thing on the top on top of it or something. So okay, maybe
there's two kind of distinguishing features here. Let's dive into the first one and
then do another session for the second, and then maybe the first one.
You realize, oh, it's some kind of life form, you know with
you know, bad smell, and it's it's you know that like a soft
I don't know, it sounds like to me, yeah, yeah, sure.
And then by the end of it, you know, you have all
these descriptors, all these sketches, and some of it is noise, you
know, but you can always kind of see like there's a stream of something
that that kind of a theme, you know, that kind of pops out,
and you can kind of take that and write up basically a summary at
the end that kind of says not exactly what it is, like, Hey,
this is a car, you know, like a BMW you know,
M three whatever. No, it's not like that. It's you almost have
to describe it vaguely. But with you know, you could say, like
it's a life form, you know, in some kind of water environment.
You know that some coarse skin and you know, maybe it's a shark,
you know what I mean, But you don't say it's a shark. So
you try to keep because the thing is, I've done so many sessions where
I wasn't able to quiet that mind, that analytical mind, and I said,
oh, this for sure is a shark, Like everything is pointing to
it being a shark, right, And then I get I see the result
just to this is an example test, just to see if I can practice
the skill. And you know, instead of it being a shark, it
was maybe, oh, I don't know, you know, like a a
stencil right in the shape of you know, like an oval, like an
eye shaped something. I don't know, so it kind of looked like a
fit if I thought so, But maybe, you know, it actually wasn't.
So thybe that's a really bad example, but it's it's easy to get
stuck on something that you think it is, and so you can try to
pull back and just be more broad and vague about it and and it usually
will match better to what it actually is. I know that sounds like you're
maybe kind of what do you call it, like, trying to make it
fit to something that it isn't. And that's why maybe this works. But
it's it's not quite that I'm explaining it wrong. But it almost sounds like
you want your mind to be free floating as much as possible. And I
know that. You know the average person thinks something like forty thousand thoughts a
day. So how on earth can you quiet your mind when you're trying to
do this? Is Is there some type of meditation or something, or it's
it's hard, you know. I I meditate in my own way a lot
of the memory training that I do. Actually before I memorize something where I
have a fixed time to do it in and I'm trying to go really fast,
you know, I have to be I have to quiet the mind because
I'm focusing on a task. It's rapid thoughts right of what I'm what I'm
reading, I'm trying to memorize, and any other thought that comes in is
going to detract from the thing that I'm doing and take away some points or
the time that I have to memorize. So through practice, I've just gotten
better at that. I don't meditate per se, but definitely before I memorize,
I have kind of my own ritual to like lewer my heart rate,
to control my breathing, to focus, and it's kind of like that before
I do one of these sessions. Sometimes I just try to write stuff to
get it off my mind. You know, I have thoughts and feelings through
the day. I just need to bar fit out. So it's it's a
blank slate. Breathe, try to clear my mind, and then I try
to do the session. It's not always perfect, you know, but I
think it's something you can constantly try to work on and improve. And what
are the digits? What role do they play? And you said I think
you said eight digits or something like that or whatever it is random digits.
Yeah, I don't know what the who or why that was decided, but
there's no information in it. I think, do you need it? I
never got a straight answer from people I asked about this, like what if,
why do you need it right? Why can't you just sit down?
If you're we're truly coming up with anything, why can't you just sit down
and do it? But I think the way this all works has to do
with intention on behalf of everybody involved. So somebody is setting this task up
and say, hey, this picture of a dog I want Nelson to predict
or yeah, psychically, see, I'm going to associate it to something that
I will give him and through that thing I will give him, and through
all this elaborate effort to create the situation, that is how he's going to
connect to it. I don't know, I don't know. I don't fucking
know, but that's that's my impression, right. So it gives you the
number, gives you a place to kind of join into that vibration line or
that information line. Maybe. Now I want to ask a couple of things
of what some of the things that you've done and been successful. One but
it seems to me that I had heard something so many years ago about there
was and I don't know who it was, but they somehow knew where an
enemy sub was. And I know that's probably what in the nineteen seventies,
you know, the Cold War of what they were trying to find different ways
of getting information. Like you said, you know, we do have the
satellites. Now we have so much more, you know, so many more
ways to get information. But do you recall what I'm saying there was some
remote viewer that if you can't recall that, I'm going to ask you in
particular, what's the most extraordinary account that you've heard about or looked into?
Yeah? Yeah, so there's a few. I mean, a lot of
these are are declassified now and you can find a good history of a lot
of the successful operations using remote viewing over the years in the eighties and nineties.
One was there was a down down plane in the Sahara or somewhere in
Citta. I don't remember the details, and they were able to view it
with uh you know, they couldn't find it, but with remote you knowingly,
they were able to target it. I forget who I think there was
mcmonagle, might have been Ingo Swan, I don't remember, but that one's
pretty famous. You know. Joe mcmonagle's found missing people using this ability,
and he did this on Life Odd Live TV. The one that blew my
mind, Miss I heard about from Joe mcmonagle and it's out there, man,
but it's it's crazy. So he and I would assume for the show
you would love this. But he was given a target when he was part
of the operations there, and what he viewed was something that seemed off planet,
very dry and desert like, very red. It seemed to be Mars,
okay, except there was this massive pyramid huge, well, actually a
few pyramids right and there were beings there, and he goes on to describe
kind of what even the beings were feeling. And I think they were trying
to get off the planet, or you know, something was running out on
their planet and they were trying to leave or something like that. But they
had been there for a while and they had these these these pyramids there.
Yeah. It turns out that the task was these coordinates on Mars and the
actual target that they were looking for was Mars one million years ago. Okay,
Yeah, he didn't know this. Again, he's coming up with this
out of nothing. Right now. What's interesting is the coordinates. So the
way they did task back there is they would give them a number that represented
coordinates on Earth or in this case, Mars, but they also when they
create the task, give it the detail that this is a million years ago.
Okay, But the coordinates that they were trying to get him to extrapolate
information from extract information from was a satellite image of Mars of a crater that
next to it has this shape that seems to look like a pyramid. And
if you look at the picture, I mean it's from above, and it's
it's grainy, it's it's black and white. If you remember this is in
the early two thousands, there was that famous face. You know, it's
one of those images where if you look at this and you're like, is
that a pyramid? Looks like a pyramid, And even the shadow makes it
look like if this was a pyramid, it would be huge, right because
the shadow is really long. So anyways, that was the coordinate MILLI years
ago on Mars and uh yeah, and Joe has a ton of success with
his his things, so you know, you now take that as as you
will. You know, I didn't realize that a time was part of it,
yeah, just because I haven't looked into it enough. But so what
about has anyone tried to do future things? Yeah? And so this is
where you know, nobody knows anything really about this in terms of how it
works and what's possible. I've heard so many different things about it. Seems
like maybe in the past it's easier, let's say, because the information is
there, just it's already happened. But I don't know if we're talking if
time and everything it's all there, then how should it be any different for
the future. I don't know, But I have tried to predict things in
the future. Right. The The initial thing I was a part of was
predicting stocks. I've done a lot with trying to predict sport outcome support events,
and it seems like and then this is where I, you know,
if I don't know what's the right thing or not, it seems like the
closer to the event you do this, the better the results. So now
I's had a total unbiased the same way like trying to get your mind floating
and not like, uh, you know, like going a certain way because
of some type of influence, like finding out something about someone being injured in
a you know, a sport, or something like exactly right, if I
know the two teams and I know the favorite, or like I, oh,
that's a better team, or you know, right, like the Lakers
are playing but Lebron's injured, or something like they're probably maybe not gonna win
this game, right, So I don't want to know that information at all.
It's interesting when you have situations where it's an A or B outcome you
know, this team wins or that team wins. There's a specific kind of
remote viewing called associated remote viewing, and the task is around predicting basically a
photo so somebody sets up a task where the two photos A and B very
distinct photos from each other. One is associated to one outcome and one is
associated to the other. And when I say associated, it's really just the
person who sets the task is saying, hey, photo A. Just even
if they say this, mentally, A is going to be associated with this
person team winning and D with that one, okay. And then my task
is to just you know, describe something that I'm seeing. And if it
there's a there's a judge involved, and they judge which photo was the better
match. And usually if you do this well, it's pretty clear which is
the winner, and that's your prediction. Okay. So that's the associated remote
viewing. And I'll usually do this let's say before a match tonight. I
might do it an hour before. I've also tried doing it well in advance.
So for example, last year was the World Cup. You know,
it's a thirty day tournament, and a few of us in a remote viewing
group were like, let's try to predict the winner of the whole tournament right
now. There's what there's like one hundred plus games to be played. There
were some favorites at the beginning, But anything can happen in thirty days,
right, So a lot of us in the group actually predicted Portugal, which
wasn't a bad pick. It was very interesting that a lot of us got
Portugal, so there was something happening there. Now, Portugal got pretty far.
I think they got to the final eight and then Morocco beat them.
But you know, I remember, I think it was on the round of
sixteen Ronaldo didn't start, right, it was a coach's decision. He's run
all those the superstar, right, He's a bit older, so maybe the
coach, for whatever reason, decide he wouldn't start. He'd be subbing in,
and that I feel like that's something that might affect his performance. Is
ego, right, which might affect other players. Right. My point is
is that over the course of thirty days, there's so many little things that
can happen that might divert the chances of something happening. Right. So I
see more of the future being a collection of probabilities, right, And there's
some that are more likely to happen some outcomes in the future than others.
And so if you try to predict that, maybe you get the most likely
outcome. But it's not necessarily the one that will happen, right, And
as time gets closer to that point, a lot of those the probabilities converge
to one, right, or the probability function collapses. Right, that's my
take on it. So Portugal did not win. They got pretty far.
But you know, you can't help but think, like, thirty days out,
so much can happen. So I think when you're trying to predict something,
it's better to do it closest to the to the moment, which you
might think like, well, okay, so you can't really predict the future.
Well maybe I can, right, and it's worth something if I can
tell you who's going to win a game five minutes before it happens. I
mean you can make money, you know, speak time that would you know,
that's not really letting go on the outcome if money's involved, right you
know? Right, Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah, and that other
people might argue that it doesn't work so well and your intentions are not pure,
right, so you're trying to make money or whatever. So I don't
I don't really know. I do question, you know, like where are
all the billionaire remote viewers? Right? I'm not one of them. Yeah,
yeah, not yet. Yeah right, maybe maybe the true billionaires are
just lying low. They did their their their sessions, their remote viewing sessions,
and they're just living it off in some beach town somewhere. Yeah,
yep. So now this is all really fascinating. And can you what about
when you were being tested? I understand it's it's actually the accuracy of remote
viewing isn't really that high, but but there is seems to be something to
it. So did you have some that you can that you actually were involved
in that you were pretty amazed on how they came out, like how close
it was? Yeah, examples, Yeah, yeah, I could. I
could even pull something up. Am I allowed to share the screen? I
do believe that you should? Well you can try. Do you see present
down below there? Yeah? But I gotta find you can try it.
It won't take too long, but I'll try to keep talking. Well,
but or you could just nailed to me and I could I could pull it
up if there's if it's a link, or if it's a it's a photo.
One of my better sessions. Actually, it's the one I used,
for example all the time because it was so it's the one that I saw,
and uh, it basically made me change my mind on old amping.
But before I show that one, I also talk about well, first of
what you said that the success rate isn't that great, and that's that's correct.
It's it's a pretty weak effect. Okay, I'm not gonna lie,
but it still is an effect, and I think is worth kind of turning
your head towards because if there was nothing at all, yeah, we're just
going with our lives. But if there's something anything going on the thing,
that's worth kind of looking into. Right with the associated remote viewing, where
you basically are dealing with two options, you know, if you were truly
guessing, it would be fifty fifty right. Over time, thousands of trials
with different people and groups should all balance out to fifty fifty right or fifty
percent correct fifty percent wrong guessing photo A photo B. If you're a good
remote viewer, some people can get up to seventy percent correct. Again,
not perfect, but you know, well, that's that's definitely impressive right most
of the time right, or more than you're not. And then you know,
for me, I was flirting with like the high fifties sixty percent,
which is not that great, but it's definitely better than chance. Right.
Yeah, So so there's that. Now. What I've been doing a lot
recently. I lived near the race track here in upstate New York. Is.
Yeah, it's going to the track right and trying to guess the horse
race winner. And I went one day last year, just one day,
I was going to remote view every single match, every single race. Sorry,
there were ten races that day. Each race had about ten horses.
Some get scratched, some have more, some have less, but average is
about ten. And my goal was just to guess the winner right of those
ten races, and I would do it right before each race. That day,
I got four out of ten. Okay, so I was able to
guess forty percent of the time. Now that it may out sound that great,
it's a small sample size, but it you know, I would have
expected to get one out of ten. Yeah, I mean that that's a
lot actually when you think of it and what generally happens, Like if you
were betting with money, then you had a really good day. Yeah,
exactly right, So is this I'm close to finding the thing I'm looking for.
But anyway, so I kept doing that, so I kept doing it
remotely from my house. I would just you know, find a match and
then or a race, and then I would bet on it and see what
would happen. And over time, so I've been doing this for over a
year now. My results are still around forty percent. A little less now
maybe i'd say thirty three percent. And I've done maybe like sixty trials now,
and so I was trying. I'm not I'm not a statistician, but
I can write. I'm a computer scientist, so I can write programs.
I've done a lot of simulations like if this were chance, what how likely
is what I'm what I'm doing right now due to chance? And it was
like one in more than ten thousand. So to me, that's significant,
you know, Yeah, that's pretty good. It's a little impressive chance.
Yeah, all right, So I have here This is so you can see
what one of my sessions look like. Now, you may not be able
to share it. You can try if it's a photo. I don't think
you're going to so, but what I'd like to ask you to do is
if you could just you can actually just drop it in an email and just
send it to me and I'll pull it right up. You want to do
that, okay? Yeah, And so if you can talk, if you
can multitask here, yeah, I can keep talking. I'm getting it into
your box here, all right. So do you think that uh you know,
you're talking about, say, people breading on horses. Do you think
there are actually people that are actually doing this out there that? I mean,
our people do. People a lot of times, you know, they're
people a lot of times can have a problem with gambling. You know,
it can really go in that direction. So uh, you know, and
I know that just from a friend of mine who actually he he won really
big in the Islands when he had no money and he just happened to whatever
it was. He was able to stay there for the rest of the winter.
But ever since he had that, he's always thinking he's right on the
edge of winning. Yeah, and it's been a problem, you know,
for him. And so I'm just wondering people that, you know, have
you ever heard of someone trying to get this type of edge just and that's
a gambler in particular. Yeah, I mean I've heard mostly of groups of
people doing this. I think that's where they have the best success, because
me doing it solo I've just told you I feel like I'm doing okay.
I'm not betting crazy money because I'm not a gambler. I just want to
test something here because I'm like putting ten b a race kind of thing,
you know. But I haven't heard of anybody, you know, struggling with
gambling addiction because of this. But yeah, maybe it's not the best way
to go about testing this. You know. For me, proof is in
numbers, right, So the statistics, even the dollars, right, So
if I started with an X amount of money and I do this for a
year, what is the money that I have out? That to me is
also an added proof to me. You know, I'm not really trying to
prove it to the world. I'm just want more conviction from myself all the
time. So yeah, I would be careful with that. Maybe do without
money, right, or just try to have tasks set up for you.
It's very easy to ask somebody to just randomly choose a photo, associate a
six to eight digit number and then give you that number, right, and
then just practice with that. It's really cool will just to even feel that
you remotely get close to something that you have no information on. You won't
get it every time. Sometimes you may get bits of it, but sometimes
you will get something that will absolutely blow your friggin mind. Well, here's
here's what you sent me. There was also a whale. Did the whale
have something to do with? Yeah, let's look at the whale first.
Let me let me upload that. I didn't do that yet. I'll get
that out right. Yeah, So what I'm showing you. So when I
was training, you know, every day I learn more about the process.
But my coach Brett would have me. You would come up with photos at
random, and then I would do a session and try to perceive it.
Right. So this was one of them. That's the eight digit number that
I was given, five to six zero one four oh eight, And this
was the image. Right. I don't know what this image is. I
don't know anything about the kinds of images that Brett is choosing. It's completely
random. They like in a sealed envelope or just in another location or usually
yes, in our case, since this was on COVID. During COVID,
we were doing our sessions remotely, so he just had them I don't know,
on his computer or you know, I don't think he actually had an
envelope, but I could not see them right. And and for the for
the audio listener, here it's a it's looks like a humpback wheel arching out
of the water. And the numbers the digits are five two six zero slash
fourteen oh eight. Okay, and I can put these and I can do
like show notes, a show note for you for this, and can put
that in the show notes. So here's the here's the other image. Now,
so there are maybe ten pages of of of my whole session. This
is the last page because, like I said before, it's kind of where
I take everything and I put it together in one sketch and then kind of
do a best summary here. I apologize for my handwriting. But now if
you're looking at this and you're like, dude, Nelson, that's not a
frigging whale, Okay, I agree, right, Like it's not. It's
not frigging realistic painting, right, But if you look at let's look at
the photo here, right, So what I have is this thing coming out
right arched right with these appendages. I drew these little things coming out,
granted they only have two fins, but I did see some kind of appendages
coming out of the side of this life form. If you write there,
I have animal. There I have furry. That's not correct. But again
listen, if you look at the photo, there's kind of like a fuzziness
of water carried with the thing emerging out of the water. So I say,
furry here. Perhaps that's what I My analytical mind did a little bit
of work there and was like, you know what, maybe that's fur.
Right, it's not so clear, but in fact it was like a layer
of splashy water, right. What else? So then there's also this line
across the bottom here with the undulating waves. That's the water, right,
that's the wavy water. And then off to the right there's kind of like
this thing with arrows going down. That was something I saw, some kind
of water wet thing dripping down, and you could argue that that's the water
falling from the the whale. Okay, now if you go go back to
the text again, well I got, I got. I don't know if
you could see this up on the screen right now, but I have them
both up there at the same time, side by side. Yep, you're
not able to see that, so you can see the arching is very similar.
Uh yeah, that's it's it's not perfect right. So I think even
here I'm talking about like when I'm describing the water portion of this photo the
ocean, I say land mass. That's not a land mass. Expansive,
sure, firm, no summer, no right, enjoyable at subjective right,
But there are so many other things that it's something right. And at the
end here I say, so we have some kind of native nature setting true
in pleasant weather. That was not so true with two distinct things on the
site. One is a life form of sorts breaching with movement in and out.
So I'm seeing something breaching out. Second thing more wet, sticky,
falling from up to down. I think that's as amorphous and that's the water
kind of falling down from this breaching animal, you know. So I guess
that's pretty amazing. And listen. So I gave myself a seven point five
out of ten. He made me do that for every session, and I
will tell you, as I rolled my eyes after every session, I was
like, this is a one out of ten, and maybe this is a
two if if if we're being very generous, but usually I would give it
a zero or one. I was very hard on myself. So when I
saw this, I mean, the goosebumps came and I was just like,
Okay, that is not a one, that is not a two, that
is not a three, that it's not a four or five. This is
something, And in that moment, I knew something was happening, you know,
And listen, even if say I've done one hundred sessions by then,
which I had, and I've done maybe twenty twenty five, maybe you could
argue that out of a hundred sessions, one of them would be some kind
of whale coming out of the water, right, And it just was luck,
right. But I definitely felt something when I did that session, and
it felt like I knew what it was. And I don't think this is
chance either. So yeah, well that's that's pretty spectacular. I'm going to
share your your website right here because I can do that on this end,
and so here here's your website. And but I would imagine you probably don't
have remote viewing on this. Is that a mention of that? Not yet?
My YouTube channel is mostly memory technue, basically memory techniques, But I
was part of a project with another YouTuber who posted all this remote viewing stuff.
I should maybe share that with you. It would be very interesting for
your viewers. And I have my own videos that I've been secretly working on
that I'll eventually release to kind of test the waters. But I'm taking my
time with that. That'll eventually come out, and I do want to you
know, we don't have a lot of time here left, but I do
think it's quite amazing that you have tried to climb and you got really close
to the summit of Mount Everest, which I must have felt like it took
years off of your life from what I've heard other people talk about. Yeah,
yeah, a lot of the lines on my face are from that.
And Dave Scott told me that you got really close to one time and you
knew that you had to turn around or you were going to die. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I know we're off topic what we were talking
about, but if you don't mind, what was that experience like, Yeah,
this was twenty eleven. It was the first attempt on Everest, and
I was young, but strong and committed and ready to summit this thing,
and I think I would have. One of the issues I had when I
got part way up to the summit was my oxygen mask malfunction, so I
ended up having to climb without it, which you can do if you're like
an insane athlete and you acclimatized properly that way. I had not because I
was intending to use oxygen after a certain point, which most climbers do,
so climbing without it really messed me up. And by the time I got
to what's called the South Summit, which is just sixty seventy meters from the
top, I was in a very precarious situation. I sat down. It
was one of those things you hear about where if somebody sits down and they
just don't move and they just become a part of the mountain, that could
have been me. And I felt like, yeah, I could go to
sleep now. And there are people that are part of the mountain. There
are, Yeah, there's one in particular that I've heard people say they went
by the guy with the blue jacket or something. Well, there's green boots.
I don't know if that's the one Green boots, that's it. Yeah,
Okay, they actually removed him. I was an Indian climber from I
think ninety six on the north side. I've actually I've stepped by him a
different attempt, but yeah, I heard that took him away. Yeah,
but yeah, it was a surreal experience the whole. I mean, each
of my climbs have been a crazy story, but that one in particular,
I was very close to being one of those fixtures. And what goes on,
what went on in my mind that night was it's a whole other show,
very surreal, dreamlike things, hallucinations, voices, was that was.
Some of that had to do with the lack lack of oxygen, because you're
do you think I think so? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Right,
you're at almost twenty nine thousand feet, you know, Yeah, the
amount of oxygen there's about a third as there is at sea level, right,
so our brain news oxygen. Of course you're not functioning at your your
sharpest. And yeah, a lot of people report seeing hallucinations and a lot
of weird things happening in your head. Were you there, were you climbing
alone or did you have someone with you? Yeah? With my team,
you know, we were kind of in the line. We spread out through
the night though, as some climbers were faster, some slower, But each
climber had their own spa climbing with them. Really it was this, there's
such these powerful, strong local climbers, and you know, we hire them
and pay them to basically do all. You know, we're just these amateurs
walking and they do all the hard work, like they carrying the gear,
yeah, gear, setting the ropes and taking care of us and yeah,
something you think you'll ever try again, or you think you're pretty much done
with it. No, I would love to. I think I can do
it. It's been a few times, but I feel like I can do
it. And I'm thinking maybe either next year or the year after. The
mountains changing a lot, so we'll have to see, but i'd like to.
I love that place, you know, it's mine. And in what
way is the mountain changing? Just the way it's climbed and how busy it
is, and who these days thinks they can climb Everest and who can't,
And I don't know. There's a lot of like politics and yeah, it's
it's not quite as natural as it used to be. M M all right,
well we're we're We've gone about an hour. But just one thing.
I want to again bring up your website because you do actually give an online
memory course, which I oh, and there's a waitlist. It's closed at
the moment. Yeah, but we open it up maybe two three times a
year. Probably the next one will be sometime in fall. But yeah,
i've memory course. I also teach privately if anybody wants one on one coaching.
I have some books on Amazon if you searched my name, teach memory
techniques. And then I have my YouTube channel which is absolutely free. So
you have to watch some ads. That's great. But yeah, well,
well I'll put all this in the show notes here and anyway, this is
really great. I looked at some of the videos. I saw the one
where you you were teaching a wife the royal what was it, the Royal
monarchy. It was pretty funny. Yeah, she did well, she did
really well. So yeah, I mean the techniques were I didn't. Yeah,
I didn't have to do much before we started. I told you I
had taken a mermaid course and years ago in the nineteen nineties, and was
all cassette tapes. But the way that I was learning then and I can't
think of the person that I almost Harry had a very strong accent of like
a New York accent or something that Harry Lorraine, Harry Lorraine that sounds right,
that's it, I know, that's yeah, yeah, Harry, yep
so. But he was teaching to use consonant sounds, and you know,
I learned all that like say too. I can't remember exactly how to associate,
but it was all pictures in your mind and extraordinary pictures if you could
do them. The more extraordinary, the more easier it is to remember.
When you're trying to remember a person's name, look at something about their face
and try to make their name work with their face and some outstanding feature and
picture that feature really exaggerated. Everything has to be exaggerated. Is any part
of of what you do similar to that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean these techniques haven't. I didn't come up with them, you
know. I mean I've come up with my own kind of take on them
and some strategies that maybe are on my own, But yeah, I mean,
these techniques have been around for thousands of years, and Harry Lorraine was
another era teaching the same thing just in his voice. But yeah, that's
a lot of what I teach as well. Well, I'm gonna tell you
why why I chose to do that. He was in some television program where
there's a big audience, and he was given a I believe it was a
Time magazine, and he had like fifteen minutes ahead of the show whatever to
memorize the Time magazine. So someone randomly in the audience audience said, page
seventy three. I'm just throwing a number out there, and he said,
it's an American Express card. Add and the number on that card is five
seven four three seven nine like that, and it's John Doe. And you
know, I mean just to it just blew me away. And so I
just said, okay, I'm going to try to try to figure this out.
And it was a lot of fun. Of course I forgot everything how
to do it. But but a simple grocery list is you picture one thing
like jumping into another, or you know, an exaggerated like a banana jumping
into a box of cereal, or now you have to get bananas and cereal
or whatever it is. It's all about visualizing these crazy pictures and visualization and
exaggeration and things over the top and interaction. All that kind of stuff is
what makes something pop in your memory. But when you're memorizing several decks of
cards in a row, I just can't even imagine. It's I mean,
I mean, how can I ask you? How? You of course do
that? So in that case, you know, you have a bunch of
cards that are just symbols. Right, there's a number in a suit.
So if you could exaggerate, right, you know, a ten of diamonds
and imagine it doing, you know, that would be great. But the
problem is, how can you really imagine a number and a diamond, you
know, especially when they're all a sequence of them and they all look the
same, right. Essentially, there's so many there's four different tens, right,
and it's just four suits. So what we do in that case is
we strategized and came up with an idea to what if we gave each card
its own image right through some means, some convention where we can convert the
number and the suit into let's say, a word, kind of like your
consonants you were talking about for numbers. So essentially, with a pack of
cards, all fifty two cards for me and other memory athletes are a picture
of something instead of the actual suit and number. So for example, ten
of diamonds to me is Oscar de la Joya, the boxer. Okay,
So whenever I see this card, I don't see this. I see him
in a boxing ring, sweating with his gloves on, you know, if
that's something, And so that's easier to remember. So the first card is
the ten of diamonds. All I'm doing is picturing Oscarville Hooya, right,
And then the next card comes along, Jacko Hearts is a pirate. So
maybe he's in the boxing ring being the crap out of a pirate. Right,
I can picture of the pirates hat coming off. He's like saying,
right, he's got a hook for a hand or something, and that I
can exaggerate, right, And then when I go back to remember, I
say, oh, okay, I was at the boxing match oscarvillea ten of
diamonds, right, punching the crap out of a pirate jack O Hearts,
Right. If I know that conversion, it's that part's easy, right,
It's just a matter of weaving this elaborate story that represents the cards or this
abstract information. Well, I didn't realize you had cards on you. There
any chance we can can any chance we can get a demonstration in some way,
But yeah, it's it's it's it's a bit of dead airtime. It
takes me about like a minute or two to to to do it. Just
watch my videos. I don't know. Okay, so'll be shuffling the cards
and so while you're doing that, I'm going to go through your website and
I'm going to bring this up here and let's see if I can. I'm
not sure if I can actually play a video of yours, but I'll go
through your website while you go ahead and contentrute to you so I don't get
distracted. Oh absolutely, yeah, you go right ahead, Yeah, you
go right ahead. Yeah. So we're going to let him do that.
This is kind of exciting. I think this is fine. I hope.
Let's see. I'm going to look in the chat while we're doing this too,
there's anything. Thank you all for being here tonight. In the chat
we have Steven who kept asking about the color of his shirt if he could
guess that cable guy his highness, and then someone from Facebook Leeb thank you
for showing up here, Yoshi, Yoshi. Let's see le Milk at some
other And I do want to thank everyone for coming to the special last kind
of last minute show that we had here. For sure, I've seen you
on many times, His Highness and Ferko, thank you all for being here.
Random Rick Reviews are our Ferko was said earlier that he kept asking,
Okay, what did I have for dinner tonight? What did I have for
dinner? And then finally he said he had a check Chick fil a,
And then people down below said, yeah, I knew it. Anyway,
I thought it was kind of kind of funny. So anyway, I hope
you learned something, you know, I did. I learned a lot tonight
what remote viewing is not and what it is. It's really fascinating, and
I didn't realize, you know, so much of it just had to do
with just trying to, you know, keep a neutral, neutral thought pattern.
And what I didn't realize also is that the person has no clue to
what they are going to be trying to. They absolutely have no clue as
to what it is that they're going to be doing. I didn't realize that.
So I think that makes it kind of special for it to have some
type of accuracy. And I'm sorry if I didn't get some of your questions
here, but we're going to be probably getting are you done? All right?
So let me just I memorized it. Let me just go through to
my head to make sure I have it before I say it. Okay.
Once I do that, if I have it, then it's it's usually there
for a while, So hold on one second. Okay, all right,
I think I had it, So I want to how's the best way to
do this? I'll show it. I have to close my eyes. See
I'm seeing if I have a blindfold. But okay, so let me put
you up so you're solo here on the screen. Okay, can you see
this? I can see it, all right? Are you ready? I'm
ready. But you're gonna have to hold it up a little bit higher.
Okay? Is that good? A little bit higher? Right there? It's
perfect? Okay, everyone here he goes. Can you see that my eyes
are closed? I don't want you can see your eyes are closed? Okay,
all right, So Queen of clubs? Is that right? Yeah?
Okay? Uh? Six of spades, uh, four of spades, three
of clubs, yep, jack of spades, yes, nine of spades,
seven of clubs. Yeah. You keep going, and I'll say I'll say
if you get it wrong, yeah right, if I don't or anything,
I've got it right. So that was seven of clubs, Ace of diamonds,
eight of hearts, nine of clubs, Queen of Spades, five of
hearts, eight of spades, three of spades, Ace of spades, Jack
of hearts, ten of clubs, two of clubs nine. Sorry, I
don't know if I is this nine of diamonds. Next one, Next one's
nine of diamonds. Okay, so nine, nine of diamonds, Queen of
Diamonds, Ace of hearts, seven of hearts, Jack of clubs, King
of spades, nine of hearts, six of diamonds, ten of diamonds,
King of clubs, Ace of clubs, eight of diamonds. Is that right?
Yeah? Okay? Four of hearts, seven of diamonds, six of
hearts, two of hearts, five of spades, four of diamonds, seven
of spades, ten of hearts, two of spades, five of diamonds,
Queen of Hearts, ten of spades, five of clubs, King of Diamonds,
eight of clubs, King of hearts, three of diamonds, four of
clubs, Jack of diamonds, six of clubs, two of diamonds. Oh
two more, Oh, this is the two of diamonds, right, yeah,
yeah, And then this is the three of hearts. Yeah, unbelievable.
There you go. Wow. Now that was just amazing. So thank
you so much for doing that extra little a little bit. So are you
tired now when you do something like that, doesn't it seems to me like
that would be really a strain on the brain. It's okay. Once I'm
into it, it's fine. I just get nervous. Uh. Put on
the spot. I'm out a little out of practice, to be honest.
Just you know, my best ever takes me like thirty seconds. But when
I'm doing it live and I want to get it perfect and you know,
it's yeah, really on the spot. Yeah, yeah, just to let
everyone know, I you had no idea that I was gonna do it.
I mean, we're gonna I didn't even asking stuff. But anyway, I
really appreciate it. Can I I don't know if can I ask one thing?
Yeah? Absolutely? This is a UFO. Well it's not the UFO
podcast, but can we no, No, I'm all about UFOs. So
yeah, all right. So I've had two encounters. All right, They're
not the greatest ones, but I think there's something. Okay. One was
I was just out side late at night doing a workout in my driveway,
there's this orange light, you know, and I'm very cognizant of the stars
and where they are and what's out, but this one seemed a little brighter
than usual, a little bigger than usual. Didn't recognize it as what it
should be in the sky. And I was doing these this intense workout,
jumping over this bar blah blah blah, back and forth, and then maybe
five ten minutes later I saw a little bit closer, bigger it seemed.
And then five minutes later, when my workout was finished, it was gone
right, And I had this whole weird feeling that it was kind of like
watching me. But that was one it could be. Let me, let
me just would you consider that an orb? Yeah, it was definitely an
ORB shape? Yeah, yeah, because there is there is a there's a
guy that has written book, a book on orange orb ufost sightings. So
it's not it's not what is his name, I can't think of it right
now, but yes, that that is something that a lot of people talk
about different color orbs, but orange seems to be a predominant color of a
lot of these, whatever they are. Okay, yeah, okay, let's
hear the second one the other one having recently, I was on a mountain
and the stars out there are in the same Okay, So I was on
Kilimanjaro and wow, you can just see the milky way. I bet for
miles and you know, I actually was trying to was it C five?
I was trying to haven't hear about that? Yeah? Okay? Yeah?
I like, why not, right? And especially if I'm into this remote
viewing stuff, why can't I sit here and try to conjure something up in
the sky. So I sat there and really focus my energy on, you
know, a specific part of the sky. Nothing really happened, except at
the end when I was like, I was like, okay, I didn't
work. I saw I think what's referred to as like a flash bulb where
it's it was just like a star that went really bright and then disappeared.
Right, It was brighter, bigger than a star. That was it.
But it felt like a response to what I was doing. So I don't
know what else does that in the stars. Yeah, I've never had an
experience like that, so I can't. I've done a lot of star watching.
It wasn't just like a twinkling. It was like someone turned a flashlight
on and then off, you know, very consciously. So that was interesting.
Maybe you saw a supernova. Maybe no, no, they would know
all about you'd be hearing about that. But anyway, excellent, Well it's
been it's been a blast. Thank you. You're a very interesting person and
it was really a pleasure to have you on this show and to talk about
such a variety. And anyway, I will link all your memory course and
the website and everything to the show notes for this show, and I will
send you the links to my friend's YouTube channel where you can watch the there's
like three episodes plus a podcast of the investigative stuff we did about remote viewing.
We interviewed Joe mcmonagle, we interviewed Yeah, please do that right away,
and I'll put these in and just for the for the for YouTube,
I can link the show notes. The show notes will actually be part of
the part of the show on another page, so that's how someone will be
able to find that. Okay, it'll be linked to it. Yeah,
perfect, excellent, all right, thank you so much, Thank you,
Martin. Have a good one, all right, take care all right,
everyone, thanks for watching and listening, and we'll be back with something interesting
on the show at another time. Thanks again