1 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:14,080 What up? Everybody? Welcome back to the dragon Ball Virgin Podcast. This 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:19,519 is the thirty fourth episode and we already at the Tournament of Power. I 3 00:00:19,559 --> 00:00:26,000 am beyond excited and power. Yeah. I kind of like, let let 4 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,879 up vacuum there for Ray to say something but it and then he did. 5 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,520 He did come in with the hype. Um. So yeah, we got 6 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,679 to me goes in from anime uproar, and then we got my co host 7 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:42,840 and good friend Ray, What up? Ray? What up? Goes in? 8 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,159 What up? Everyone? I'm excited to get to near the end of 9 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:53,240 super. Um though I do, I am gonna have a take within this 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:59,240 episode. Okay, I get angry, so okay, like that's exciting. 11 00:00:59,679 --> 00:01:04,079 I am curious about what that's gonna entail, all right. I mean I 12 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:14,680 will tell you who it's directed towards. It's probably like not that. No, 13 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:17,799 actually I have no problem with them. Okay, excellent, all right, 14 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,239 that's interesting. So yeah, guys, the again, we started with 15 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:27,920 dragon Ball the original series. Now we're all the way to the Tournament of 16 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:33,680 Power, and today we're discussing episode seventy seven to one hundred and four of 17 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:38,719 the dragon Ball Super anime. And then next we're finishing up the anime portion 18 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:42,560 watching episodes one hundred and five to one hundred and thirty one, and then 19 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:47,959 after that we'll get to the broy movie, which is something to look forward 20 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:55,560 to as well. All Right, so initial thoughts ray on this like kind 21 00:01:55,599 --> 00:02:01,159 of insane Battle Royal setup that they have going on for this arc. Yeah, 22 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:07,480 so things I liked because this is the end of Super I do like 23 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:14,719 how they are providing us with some throwback characters, like Roshi is taking the 24 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:19,000 stage now. He's been basically irrelevant since Dragon Ball for the most part, 25 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:24,520 so he's come in, Piccolo's come in even ten. I do like revisiting 26 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:30,759 some of those older characters. It's very nostalgic, and even picking Freezer from 27 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:36,159 Hell was pretty freaking interesting. Yeah, that was a huge twist, and 28 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:39,199 I really appreciate it because I don't know if we told you, but we 29 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:45,680 probably did. Like Freeza is one of the most popular Dragon Ball Z villains, 30 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:49,360 and so yeah, I don't mind seeing him, and I like the 31 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,280 fact that not quite but he's getting a kind of vegeta treatment. Obviously not 32 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:59,960 as much like you know, but it's interesting to see them kind of hesitate 33 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,199 thing Lee having each other's back, even though we know that Freeze obviously tried 34 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,000 to backstab him when he got the trans Yeah, yeah, it is seeing. 35 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:15,039 I don't want to call it a transformation, but he is willing to 36 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,360 fight on that team because he knows. The alternative is the whole universe is 37 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,000 destroyed. And yeah, which that's another thing I wonder about too. So 38 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:30,360 if the universe is destroyed, did they go to that afterlife? Like does 39 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:35,639 everyone just go there? Ah, that's a good question. I assume no, 40 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:40,840 but maybe I'm not sure. I assume that the afterlife in this case 41 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:46,360 as part of the universe. That's that would be my guess, and that 42 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:53,039 everything gets erased. Yes, that is my assumption. But you're right in 43 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,840 the sense that they didn't describe it necessarily the exact same way as like when 44 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:03,680 Berus. They did talk about cause of destruction being able to completely erase someone's 45 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:09,080 existence. So it might be that kind of thing, because it would be 46 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:11,800 weird, like what are all these people doing in the afterlife? You know? 47 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,279 Yeah, no, exactly, It's so I guess there's kind of an 48 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:19,879 afterlife for each universe. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm guessing. And 49 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,079 yeah, Jedi also says in the chat that no, everything gets erased, 50 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:30,120 which, yeah, that kind of makes more sense because yeah, there would 51 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,720 always be less of a stake if they could just you know, somehow come 52 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:40,199 back, and yeah, I don't even know how they would because the dragon 53 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:44,399 balls wouldn't be a thing, right, but interesting question that never came up 54 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:47,199 for me or anyone else. Will watch it. Let me now get to 55 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,240 the parts that I'm raging at a right ray rage. Let's do it. 56 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:59,800 Rages. I cannot stand Goku. Oh wow, okay, not stand. 57 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:04,800 So I'm guessing that's because of the fact that he endangered everybody. Yeah, 58 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:14,040 yes, so he endangers everyone for selfish reasons and the fact that there are 59 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,360 such high stakes. I think you know what. It all sank in the 60 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:27,279 rage just sank right in saying yeah super sayan Rose, the one guy I 61 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,240 think his name was Omni. Near the end, he ended up getting defeated 62 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,519 by or getting pushed out the ring by Gohan, and Gohan found his locket 63 00:05:34,519 --> 00:05:41,000 with his family, kind of highlighting how like this has real life implications in 64 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,560 it, Like you're you're racing an entire you know, civilization, and Goku 65 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,199 is just you know, playing around in the ring, Happy go Lucky. 66 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:54,720 I'm like, God, this guy doesn't understand the implications what he did because 67 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:58,480 he was so selfish and wanting the stupid fight like he had to. I 68 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,480 understand, Like he didn't ask for that. At least it was the grin 69 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,959 Zenos who kind of came up with the idea, I believe, right, 70 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:11,839 Yeah, so this is the thing it. At first, we were all 71 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,319 like, bro, is Goku the villain? As we were all watching this 72 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:18,360 originally when it came out. I remember there was a conversation with has Goku 73 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,120 become the villain of the series in a way, or at least the villain 74 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:29,399 of this arc by getting all these universes erased? But then they went out 75 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:32,600 of their way to make it clear that Zena was actually going to erase the 76 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:40,839 lower universes anyways, and Goku actually gave them a chance to survive. So 77 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,519 again they kind of retroactively made it not to be that Goku caused like the 78 00:06:47,639 --> 00:06:53,800 mass slaughter of countless people. But the thing is, the lower universe is 79 00:06:53,920 --> 00:07:01,639 not every universe except the winning one. Yeah, So again, it all 80 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:08,800 depends on kind of how you look at it. Because here in this way, 81 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:15,800 although Goku didn't necessarily it wasn't go Goku's idea, but Goku influenced them 82 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,439 and made them help them to come up with the idea, and yeah, 83 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:24,079 at least everyone has a chance to survive, while before some people didn't. 84 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,279 So yeah, although I know what you're saying, and it all went through 85 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,560 all of our heads where we're like, Goku, like, I know you 86 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:35,199 love fighting, but it's not worth like the mass destruction of all the universes. 87 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,639 I know. It's just it pissed me off this whole time and was 88 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,079 bothering me when he was in the ring, you know, kind of smiling 89 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,920 and fooling around and saying oh the one time, specifically with Hit at the 90 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:55,879 end when he's like, oh, well you better make sure you saved that 91 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,120 fight for me, and I'm like, bro, look what, like, 92 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:03,079 look what the consequence of what you wanted? It came out to be like 93 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,439 all these innocent lives. But I love your point of view that you're like, 94 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,800 hey, this dude is having at the time of his life while people 95 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,439 are like straight up losing their families and shit like that. Yeah, So 96 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:22,199 we had Supreme VIDs pros say, actually, Ray the tournament of Power is 97 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,160 because Beeris and Shampa had made their tournament and Goku just reminded Zeno about it. 98 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:31,439 So no, Goku is not directly responsible for the top for the Tournament 99 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,200 of Power being created. So that's just one way to look at it and 100 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,679 make it seem like Goku is less of a bad guy than he might initially 101 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:45,960 come across on your first glance at this season. All right, I'll consider 102 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:48,679 it. I'm still pissed at him, but I don't know, no, 103 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:56,200 even if even if he isn't directly you know, implicating this just the fact 104 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,440 that he is so happy, go lucky when people are being erased, just 105 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:05,240 because you see the others and the others are kind of shocked, like Gohan 106 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:11,200 shocked, yeah, and Goku is just like yeah, whatever. So pretty 107 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:18,679 much Goku has this mentality where everything will work out right. So yeah, 108 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,399 but it is interesting to see how people are straight up being a race entire 109 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:28,159 universes and he's not blinking an eye. But I think Goku always has this 110 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,480 ever present feeling that everything will be all right, and I think that's what's 111 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,799 letting him be carefully compared to someone like Gohan, who tends to be very 112 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:45,360 empathetic and worry a lot about things. And I mean we could even we 113 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:50,639 could get into predictions later, but I do predict the super dragon Balls will 114 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:56,120 help to quote unquote save the day later on. But still because we we 115 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:00,480 you know, as a dragon Ball consumer at this point, I kind of 116 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,039 understood how some of these stories end. I mean, there is unpredictable how 117 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,360 you don't say, like as a watcher or as a fan. I'm a 118 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:13,960 consumer of dragon Ball. I just consume like it's some kind of drug, 119 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:22,159 like hit me with that dragon Ballum. Yeah, like this show compared to 120 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,799 even say something, the only other I guess anime I watched Attack on Titan, 121 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,039 which was way more unpredictable this one. You can predict, you know, 122 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,480 many times how the certain arcs will end, though there is you know, 123 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:43,639 they're unpredictable, smaller events within the actual arc itself. So do I 124 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,919 believe that their universe will be erased and that will be the end of the 125 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:52,120 story. I mean I don't think, so you never know, but yeah, 126 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,840 I don't know. I just it left a bad taste in my mouth. 127 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:58,559 But we could get to if you'd like the beginning, because there is 128 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:05,519 a because we're starting with people training, right, rather than jumping into the 129 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,799 tournament of power itself. Yeah. Yeah, we get the whole context at 130 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:16,639 the beginning, with the two Grenzenos, you know, playing and then Goku 131 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:22,759 going there learning about the tournament, learning that it's ten people per universe, 132 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:30,200 and then they're kind of scouting their different fighters for the tournament. And something 133 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,639 else that happened as well, just aside from the tournament that it is kind 134 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:37,919 of dropped, is Boma has a baby, and you see Vegeta wanting to 135 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:43,840 be this like loyal husband and stay with her, though not be too close 136 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:46,559 because he can't look like yeah, the one who is affects from those moments. 137 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:52,120 I love those Legina Boma moments. Yeah, so that was kind of 138 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,639 funny to see in the background of them recruiting all the fighters, how he's 139 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:00,080 like, yeah, I can't go to fight in this tournament and he's like 140 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:03,320 just so he's not even a norm I think he just he accepts it and 141 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,519 he's just kind of getting impatient. That whole child birth process was pretty weird 142 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:15,840 with Wist. Well, yeah, like, yeah, he's like a godlike 143 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,879 entity. So so what he did was he pretty much just delivered the baby 144 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,480 without any pain or anything like that. Yeah, and like earlier than it 145 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:30,600 needed to be. Yeah, so I'm guessing I don't know, it's wist 146 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,919 right. Maybe he even like sped up time a bit and just like made 147 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:39,879 everything work out perfectly. But that was very cool. Yeah, And because 148 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:45,559 of the way Vegeta has been set up to be more of a cold hearted 149 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,159 badass sometimes than Goku. Yeah, those moments where he that he shares with 150 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,679 bull Mine, caring about bull Mine, caring about his kids, like it 151 00:12:54,799 --> 00:13:01,200 just melts your heart like no other moments in Dragon Ball. Yeah, he's 152 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:07,000 definitely like transformed and that's awesome to see. And he's never going to, 153 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:13,679 you know, be that affectionate character someone like Gohan, but he understands where 154 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,240 he has to be at a certain time, and he is a family it's 155 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,279 strange to say, in a weird way, he is a family man, 156 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,320 Like he does care for his son, yea, his wife, and I 157 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,960 think, like we can you know, a lot of people can relate to 158 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:30,039 those kinds of father figures that like, you know, they care. It's 159 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,320 just they're not gonna be h. They're not gonna be like Gohan. They're 160 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,480 not gonna be overly showing their love, but you could still tell Vigina cares. 161 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:43,759 M Yeah. So I mean that was going on in the background. 162 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,000 And then obviously we had the recruitment of the different fighters. I thought it 163 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,080 was hilarious how yam thought he was going to be recruited the whole time. 164 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:58,799 Bro. They keep doing my boy yobshot dirty bro, Like he was so 165 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,799 like, I don't even get that was almost more of a gag than realistic, 166 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,000 because there's no way he thinks he could keep up, right, Like 167 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:13,039 you have Krillin who's probably stronger than him, you have TN who's probably stronger 168 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,879 than him, and they're all like, you know, they recognized the gap 169 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:22,039 between them and Goku and yeahmcha is like Broya comes in to save the day. 170 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:26,559 Let's go. So yeah, that was a that was hard to watch 171 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:33,120 because they're just they're just playing hard to get They're gonna make some extravagant proposal 172 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:37,720 and be like yo, yeah you are missing ingredient. Yeah exactly. So 173 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,679 that was interesting, kind of random. I gotta admit, knowing, like 174 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,679 what we know of the series that Yamsha would think that, but who knows 175 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,639 Yamsha is a weird dude. Maybe he thinks, maybe he thinks because it's 176 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,840 like an weird kind of tournament that he'd be able to help in kind of 177 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:00,879 like a baseball way. Yeah, so to them, maybe he got like 178 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,720 an you go high from that baseball game in the previous heart and he's like, 179 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,519 yeah, see they needed me then, so they'll need me for this 180 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:13,159 exactly. Sure enough that don't even consider him. He did get his moment 181 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,600 to shine, which was nice, though obviously not as much as some other 182 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:22,519 characters. But how did you like the team itself? So jumping up bit 183 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:24,480 ahead here, but yeah, did you think it was a good ten people? 184 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:31,600 Um, is there anyone? Is there anyone who shocked you that they 185 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:33,519 weren't there? Kind of thing? Well, here's the thing. You think 186 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:39,360 of some of those Namechians, I'm pretty sure they were stronger than someone like 187 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:45,240 Roschi, right, remember like the ones that we're fighting Freezer back on the 188 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:48,600 other This would have been in Dragon Ball Ze. Not really, I don't 189 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:56,960 know, I mean potentially, but the implication is that Rosh has gotten stronger, 190 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:02,600 that he's been keeping up with training when people aren't watching, and those 191 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,519 the Mechians, mostly except Nail, who fused with Piccolo, right, except 192 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:14,399 Nail, they were mostly not fighting mammics, right, So I wouldn't put 193 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,399 any of those in the team instead of Rosy. And again, we gotta 194 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,799 keep in mind it's also not just about pure strength. It's also about how 195 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,159 are they going to work together. And Rosy's obviously the wise old man who 196 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:32,039 will probably be able to be useful in a battle Royale, and he knows 197 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,360 these characters, so they can probably work better together than throwing in a random 198 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:41,320 the Mecchian. Yeah, no, very true. I think the other members, 199 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:45,159 I mean, it's strange to think basically all of them at not all 200 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:49,840 of them, but most of them at one point were enemies of Goku. 201 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:59,000 So you have ten, you have Piccolo, you have vegeta seventeen eighteen Krellan 202 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,839 as well. Yeahive enemy Freeze obviously. Yeah. The only people who weren't 203 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:11,319 necessarily quote unquote enemies at one point with with Goku are Master Roshi and Gohan, 204 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:18,880 and the rest were all like antagonists at the very least turned friends. 205 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,039 Yeah, and even I mean, he definitely wasn't an antagonist, but you 206 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:27,519 could argue he was this obstacle at one point Roshi when he was Jackie Chung 207 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:32,839 back in Dragon Ball, So all of them had to face Goku at one 208 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:36,839 point except his son. So yeah, it is funny how it all turns 209 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:41,680 out. It's all of those people that he had to compete against have become 210 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:48,279 members of his team and have like joined the quote unquote good side for this 211 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,640 tournament. So that was that was interesting itself. Her Cuel, I think 212 00:17:53,680 --> 00:18:00,400 even had a temporary position at one point at the beginning for the spoke. 213 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,880 If that happened, then I purposely blocked it from my memories. Yeah, 214 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:15,880 this is irrelevant. Yeah that somehow somewhere. Yeah, so Hercule has sort 215 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,279 of been replaced. But yeah, I know what you mean. He did 216 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:26,559 have some great moments about like getting the credit for those crazy things. It's 217 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:30,799 just like, how long can you keep going with those jokes before they kind 218 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:37,920 of get too repetitive? Um, what about everyone's initial training with Goku? 219 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:44,200 You know, we had Krillns, we had we had Gohans, we had 220 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,240 him getting Freezer, right, we had him and tenn story where they save 221 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,920 his students, and there's that girl who seems to crush on him. I'm 222 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,799 guessing right, Like, is that just me or I didn't fully get that. 223 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,680 It seemed like she was pissed at him because she m was part of 224 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,319 his old martial arts school and she wanted revenge. Yeah, I didn't get 225 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,720 that vibe for me, Like that kind of that she cares so much would 226 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,039 suggest to me that it's kind of a kind of a sign that she cares 227 00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:22,319 about him. But yeah, you're right, maybe it's just maybe it's just 228 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,000 me wanting to make everything into like a romantic thing. So speaking of romantic 229 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:30,640 just on the topic, I got a vibe I don't know if you got 230 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:37,960 it of Callie what was her name, Calif Khalifa. I don't think it's 231 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,839 Khalifa. Yeah, I thought it was pronounced more like Callie Flower, but 232 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,359 it wasn't fully flower at the end. It was like Collie floor or something, 233 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,799 because they're all like different vegetables. Right, I'm gonna say Khalifa until 234 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:52,319 all right, until someone of the chats like, no, you idiot, 235 00:19:52,039 --> 00:20:00,960 it's this. So I found she seemed like she had some feel for Kale. 236 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,200 Did you not get that vibe? Like she was like, you're my 237 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:07,720 friend, who are Like it seemed like more than just friendship, Like there 238 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:15,599 were some Okay, So apparently kalif Lah so I only left out the l 239 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:21,359 at the end, So kalif Fla according to Jedi, so we could go 240 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:27,680 off of that, um, so Khalifla and yeah kale Yah um Yeah, 241 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:34,119 I think I think there is that kind of possibility, but they're usually framing 242 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:40,599 it as sisters. And then maybe she's so attached her and she doesn't have 243 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:44,160 anyone else in her life that anyone coming in the way between them kind of 244 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,599 threatens her, even if it's not romantic. But yeah, she definitely like 245 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:55,920 had extremely strong feelings for her and got extremely jealous when anyone when it got 246 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,799 in their way for sure. Like if you remember again, I'm gonna reference 247 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,720 the only other enemy of attack on Titan, those two girls, and I 248 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:11,319 totally historia and a mirror, Like I got that same vibe here as I 249 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,000 did there. It was like, oh, I want to protect you, 250 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:17,359 and like, I don't know, I just I felt it was more than 251 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,000 just friendship. But that was just me. But that was like the first 252 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,680 time in Dragon in the Dragon Ball series two, you've seen that kind of 253 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:30,200 deep affectionate love with like two women, even if it is friendship. And 254 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,640 so yeah, that we're gonna We're gonna address another first, which I'm really 255 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,160 excited to talk about. First, I just want to say Sam, thank 256 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,640 you for donating five hundred bits. Toriyama sure loves his greens. Yeah, 257 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,519 so, as you could tell, even with them, there's the same kind 258 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:51,039 of saying vegetable kind of theme going on. But yeah, I wanted to 259 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:56,000 say so first female super sayings, right, how the fuck did you act 260 00:21:56,039 --> 00:22:00,400 to that? So the first one was pretty interesting, and it's funny how 261 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,559 to get to super Sian. Before in Dragon Ball Z it seemed like it 262 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:11,319 was this huge process and now it's just you get angry and you're able to 263 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,160 be that though. That that's the funny thing, um, because it wasn't 264 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,599 even anger at the end of the day that they all needed to do. 265 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:25,480 It was focusing on the tangling in your back. Oh yeah. So yeah, 266 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:33,200 honestly, that are those are arguably just how it happens. Some of 267 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,119 the worst saying transformations in the entire series, just not visually, not like 268 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,279 the fact that it happened, just just how it happens, because it just 269 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:51,640 lacks that drama we usually get when it comes to saying transformations, right, 270 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,079 but at the same time, I did love the fact that they went super 271 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,640 Sian, and if you notice, there was definitely like broadly I was gonna 272 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,079 say that influence. Okay, yeah, go ahead talk about that. No, 273 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,400 I was gonna say with Kale because when she turned super say, not 274 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,680 only does she have the build of Browley, the hair, but she doesn't 275 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,640 have the pupils as well. So it was that kind of I think even 276 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,519 Vegeta said like, oh, this could be one of those ancient says we 277 00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:23,079 were you know, we've been told for years about. So yeah, I 278 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,960 definitely got that Browley vibe. And then obviously later on when she's able to 279 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,599 control that anger more, then she gets the pupils back and she's like a 280 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:37,799 little more just in control of her body. Like I don't think she's necessarily 281 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:45,680 as bulky. Kale is the legendary female super Sian, So yeah, no, 282 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,079 that's interesting. So yeah, Kale is the one who seems to have 283 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:51,200 like strong feelings for Khalifla, while Khalifla is like, yeah, I got 284 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,680 your back, sister, and she's like, no, I want all of 285 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,839 you. But yeah, there is there is definitely that relationship. It was 286 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,680 interesting idea and again this is not they didn't have the time to do a 287 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,200 good job with all of these side characters, because they're just giving us some 288 00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:15,440 initial moments to get excited for them eventually because going into the tournament. Because 289 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:21,839 yeah, so again we can't judge too harshly. But if you compare like 290 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:30,480 Goku against Freezer transformation to Kale's transformation, it's well, Kale is interesting because 291 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:36,160 of the legendary aspect of it, but Khalifla's transformation, for example, it 292 00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:41,480 wasn't as cool. But I loved seeing female superscians. Yes, yeah, 293 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,960 I did find that problem. I don't even know if you want to call 294 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:51,319 it a problem, but the difficulty watching at times where it was tough to 295 00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:56,279 connect to some of these new characters because there were just so many new ones, 296 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,599 Like, you know, we got ton obviously, we have eighty different 297 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,759 fighters they mentioned within this tournament, so to you know, there were a 298 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:10,119 couple episodes where I got some of the backstories of their planets and them recruiting 299 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,640 people, and I just, you know, didn't really feel that emotional attachment 300 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,559 all with some of these characters. And you know, it's tough to even 301 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:21,079 remember their names. Yeah, until we saw that picture of that one dude, 302 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,839 which was a good scene because it's like, hey, these guys have 303 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,480 just as complex lives their main characters, even if they look like aliens. 304 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:36,039 Right. But yeah, otherwise, like I did not give a fuck about 305 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:38,720 that guy until that scene. Right, I'm like, get them go ho 306 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,359 kick his ass, let's go. The one group I did like like that 307 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,279 we're memorable were the Pride Troopers. They gave me a sort of like gein 308 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:57,880 you Force esque Slash Avengers Slash. There are so many references and homages like 309 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,359 do you guys the subversion of magical girls, So if you think of like 310 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,400 Sailor Moon and stuff like that, and instead of turning into these you know, 311 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:12,880 well dressed gorgeous girls, they turned into like you know, they the 312 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,000 one turns into like a version of herself that's just super fat, and some 313 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:25,559 people are like like top uh. The guy who's on Jeron's team, he 314 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:27,960 gets like all he starts to blush as if you know, some people find 315 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:33,799 that more attractive than their slender forms. So yeah, it's very interesting, 316 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:38,119 Hooky Wookie, thank you so much man for the gifted subs. But yeah, 317 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:44,880 no, and as Sam points out. Uh, they're leaded by They're 318 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,079 led by that clown got a destruction, which is such a cool design as 319 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,680 well. Yeah, it's like that. It's character the clown from or Pennywise 320 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:57,200 from or I always think of like Joker, but yeah, Joker as well. 321 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,240 Yeah, yeah, it's funny. It's interesting to see the kind of 322 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:07,519 different kind of mutation. They're not even mutations, but the different um like 323 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:12,279 the differences I guess of the various gods of destructions because you know, depending 324 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:18,400 on we only have the two similar ones with Universe seven, but then the 325 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,000 other ones take on this other like the one is an elephant, I think, 326 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:27,279 um, though all of the one is Cleo. Yes, all of 327 00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:33,759 the wee type characters seem to be fairly similar. Another thing, so you 328 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:37,279 know, I mentioned that that one looks like kind of like the Joker, 329 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,799 not really, but kind of has seems like a reference to to like a 330 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:48,920 cool, badass cloud based guy like the Harley Quinn. We is fucking cool 331 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,759 ass. Fuck she's my favorite design hands now. I love the Harley Quinn 332 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,759 look on an angel. Yeah no, yeah, there were there are some 333 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:02,000 cool designs. They're like cool aesthetics of some of the different characters from the 334 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,599 other universes, so it was it was pretty cool. But my main issue, 335 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,559 I think was just trying to connect with them a track of them, 336 00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:12,240 keep track. I had the subtitles on, and what I would sometimes do 337 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:18,119 is like when a character talks, sometimes they mentioned the character's name and I 338 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,480 would try to like write it down. But even that it gets tough because 339 00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:26,000 some characters they jump right in and they're blown out of the ring, or 340 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:29,279 it doesn't take them that long, and the only time you hear their name 341 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,240 is when someone from their teams like oh, no, so and so so. 342 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:36,519 Yeah, it was tough to keep track of a lot of these names, 343 00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:41,200 and it's so different from other tournaments, where it's usually this whole drawn 344 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:47,680 out, like multiple episodic at times battle between two characters and get their backstory. 345 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:52,480 Like this was just random characters jumping in and out, and sometimes it 346 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,759 would focus on a particular fight with say Goku, then it would jump to 347 00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:00,160 like Piccolo, then you know, Hits, So it was just going all 348 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,119 over the place. Though. It's funny how I think the tournament they say 349 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,720 is forty eight minutes long, and it's just like multiple episodes have already taken 350 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:10,599 place and they're like, oh no, by the end of it, there's 351 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,480 only thirty five minutes left. Yeah, you'll definitely find that in shown in 352 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:22,319 series where sometimes you'll have time skips and then sometimes you'll straight up like have 353 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,559 one hour last multiple episodes. Because I thought it, I thought of it 354 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:32,920 at first. I'm like, maybe it's the different episodes will showcase a different 355 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,319 moment within that time, but it isn't, because it's it's a sequential event, 356 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,400 like characters fall off at specific times because the Grand Zenos are keeping track 357 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,400 of who's falling out, so they're doing it chronologically. So it's just this 358 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:48,119 drawn out process. I'm thinking how I would just make it a bit more 359 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:52,559 realistic and say, Okay, this tournament is X amount of hours and try 360 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:59,440 to keep it realistic or whatever. I understand. There, Yeah, there's 361 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:03,720 there's at right. Um. I feel like Dragon ball Z was famous for 362 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:08,119 that, like prolonging those moments, so I'm not surprised that we got some 363 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,519 of that here. Um. Then there's also like just we kind of jumped 364 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,480 ahead. But I just want to say, like I love the Krillan training 365 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,440 part. Obviously, Gohan was interesting too, like he I liked that he 366 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:25,359 got back to his old strongest self, if not the strongest he's ever been 367 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:33,759 as ultimate Gohan, right, that's beyond Supersatian two and exactly. And I 368 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:40,359 like the fact that Krillan and Android eighteen had their moments, and yeah, 369 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,559 the Krillan is like working so hard, and yeah, I really enjoyed even 370 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:51,680 though I know Krillan is never gonna be an all star on the team, 371 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,640 I enjoyed his struggle and his getting back into fighting. Yeah, and for 372 00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:03,119 this particular turn, you don't necessarily have to be an all star because it's 373 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,640 more about strategy than anything else. Like you see the first time Krillan and 374 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:14,359 Goku they spar together, he actually like knocks him out of the whatever ring 375 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,960 they're they're using, and he's kind of like no, Like Marin's like, 376 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,599 oh my dad won, He's like, oh no, don't, like he 377 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,720 didn't. He didn't, But it's like, yeah, you could, you 378 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,000 know, you could use strategy. And that's what Goku struggling with there, 379 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,240 is that he's like learning the game as well, because he's never done something 380 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:34,240 like this where you have fighters all over the place, some of them already 381 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:40,599 have a strategy in place, double teaming him or letting your guard down for 382 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,279 one minute like with Krillan does letting his guard down and then Frost knocking him 383 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,880 out of the rings. So it's just a different kind of tournament. I 384 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,000 know, Krella, what are you do? I mean, I he did 385 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,880 do some good stuff before he got knocked out, but you can't let that 386 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,400 happen, man, I mean, you were already there as a result of 387 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,880 you know, you're bringing more to the table and just your physical strength, 388 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,240 and to have him taken out by not paying attention, it's like, fuck, 389 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,759 no, Krillan, I had so much hope for you. Though. 390 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,400 There is a beautiful moment when eighteen gets knocked out of the ring and Krillan 391 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:21,160 saves her and they just like stare into each other's eyes, and she has 392 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,839 this because she's she's been bashing him for a little while. It's just you 393 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:29,559 know, underhand jabs at how he's not a fighter anymore, and he's kind 394 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,839 of I don't want to say sold out, but you know he's changed in 395 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,960 a way because you know, he doesn't have that martial arts mentality anymore, 396 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,759 and how he's able to save her. There is like this great moment and 397 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:45,039 she has this realization no, well, like my husband is a badass. 398 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:52,240 Yeah she was. She was like super into it and then he said drop 399 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,519 the line like ha ha, I will let you forget this and then masterro 400 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,359 She's like way to ruin a beautiful moment or something like. So, yeah, 401 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,920 it was funny when krill and saved eighty and it was but yeah, 402 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,160 I love their dynamic. I do. Obviously eighteen sometimes seems at first glance 403 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,920 cold, but I think she really cares about Krilla, and I love that 404 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,480 relationship. I also wanted to say, how did you think about what did 405 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,759 you think about Roch's training where he was pretty much stuck with poar taking the 406 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:31,519 form of an attractive woman and he had to overcome his urges. And you 407 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:36,839 know what's interesting at the end of the last episode we've seen, I'm pretty 408 00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:40,279 sure he's the focus in the next episode and there's like, you know, 409 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:45,160 there's an attractive woman and he's blushing. So yeah, that is his biggest 410 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:52,200 like nemesis is trying to tame himself, and he has so many, definitely 411 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,319 so many like pervy moments near the beginning, especially when he's with t N 412 00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:00,759 and they're at that martial arts studio and he's literally like chasing that girl into 413 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:04,880 the house and you see like the you know, it's an animation obviously, 414 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,719 but the house is like jumping up and down with him trying to get with 415 00:34:07,719 --> 00:34:10,719 her, and you're like, oh my god, this is this would not 416 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,360 be able to air on TV today, like in American culture because different things 417 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:23,960 acceptable for sure. Exactly the Perry Old Man is like a common and the 418 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,719 way it looks like beloved trope and anime, but yeah, you're not gonna 419 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,679 see that in like Nickelodeon cartoons probably no, or even like regular TV like 420 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,960 comedies nowadays, they they don't have that. So it was, you know, 421 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,280 it was interesting to see how obviously Super is a lot newer than Z. 422 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,840 You don't think Z and Dragon a ball with the Pervy Old Man. 423 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,000 It's like you could get a get away with it more on TV because it 424 00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:57,960 was the nineties. I think it's like Japan just has different rules on it, 425 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,239 right, Yeah, and I I thought it was interesting and it was 426 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:07,880 also as a character like that was probably the biggest growth he could have gotten 427 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:14,280 to learn to control himself in the presence of attractive females. So yeah, 428 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,719 it's interesting to see mats Roshi continue to grow even into Dragon Ball Super because 429 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,760 he is that old character, could be retired character, and yet he keeps 430 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:30,719 stepping it up and becoming stronger, but also you know, building that discipline 431 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,599 overcoming his weaknesses. Yeah, and like you said, is that sage like 432 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,880 character. There's one time. I think it's when Krillin gets knocked out of 433 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,559 the ring and everyone's kind of freaking out, or at least a couple of 434 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,440 characters are, and he kind of reframes that situation. I forget exactly what 435 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,840 he says, but he kind of calms everyone down. So he is that 436 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,719 you know, he's been there so long, he's been in fighting for so 437 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,639 long, and he is able to calm out, especially those lesser fighters like 438 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,840 a Yen or maybe even in a way of Gohan, who isn't you know 439 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,559 he hasn't been fighting for that long for many years, like he's just got 440 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:14,880 back got back into training. So I do appreciate the dynamic he brings to 441 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:20,079 the fighters, how he's different from the other ones. Yeah, and obviously 442 00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:23,039 I love the fact that they ended up getting Freezer, and I love the 443 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:28,719 whole when they got attacked by another universe, you know, Freeze and Goku, 444 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,760 and Goku was just trying to fight them at Freeze is like right at 445 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,480 kill leven stuff like that, and Goku is trying to prevent them from from 446 00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:40,920 actually doing it. And then he turns that god of destruction energy on Goku. 447 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,360 And in a way, it almost seems like although they said they're about 448 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,159 equally matched, right, which is interesting, Freeze I was also training his 449 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,599 mind and how to conserve energy in Hell, but they seem equally matched. 450 00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:59,280 But Freeze I was even able to beat Goku in the sense that he could 451 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:06,119 ape that got a destruction energy, so that was very interesting. Though Goku 452 00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,519 I don't think was in super same blue right he was in his regular form. 453 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,400 Yeah, I don't know. But why wouldn't he like just used whatever 454 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,719 he can if he could? Kind of? I guess maybe he wasn't ready 455 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,440 yet. I don't know. I guess that's so many times, why don't 456 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,199 you just do this? But it's like he just loves at least in this 457 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:30,360 tournament. It has more sense because they're supposed to conserve energy, right, 458 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,280 So finally it makes sense. And some of the other battles. It's like, 459 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,599 bro, like you just got to win this battle, go full power. 460 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,719 But here the ideas they're conserving energy. So we even got to see 461 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,519 Super saying God Goku make an appearance rather than him jumping straight to Super sayan 462 00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:54,079 Blue. Yeah, yeah for sure, so um that totally makes sense. 463 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:59,119 You have to have this whole new strategy there. But yeah, it was 464 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,119 it was weird and overall to see him and Freeze are working together, and 465 00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:07,880 you know, it was weird as well is when Beers appears to go and 466 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,360 see, like what's taking them so long? Freeze is not even phased by 467 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,159 beers anymore. Remember the first time when we see Beers and Freeze is like 468 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:19,960 quivering and he's like he can't speak. Yeah, it was kind of like, 469 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,440 yeah, it was kind of like a vegeta. Yeah, because you 470 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:29,679 know, familiarity breeds indifference in a sense. And yeah, now that they 471 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,760 see him all the time, or they're more used to him, or he 472 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:38,320 sees that Goku hangs out with him, he seems less threatening than he did 473 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,480 when like, you know, he was surrounded by mystery. Yeah, and 474 00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:50,400 maybe he knows, you know, beers can't like beers exactly right now. 475 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,159 He knows that he is useful, so he's going to use it. Yeah, 476 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:59,800 exactly. In every Rant Cafe associated podcast we try to say machiavellian and 477 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:06,039 every episode, and Freezer is machiavellian. Bro he is. He is willing 478 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:12,199 to do everything it takes, and even though he knew he might get caught, 479 00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:15,280 he was willing to do it because he knew he was too valuable to 480 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,239 the team. So No, that was interesting. But yeah, we could 481 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,079 move on ahead to like whatever else we want to talk about in the tournament. 482 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,480 I think we covered the initial parts leading up to it pretty well. 483 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,239 Yeah, I mean the tournament, like I said, was just very different. 484 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,880 Obviously, it seemed like when the tournament starts, each of the episodes 485 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,960 focus on a particular like set of characters. So I mean we could get 486 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,920 into the different ones. I think, let me just see here, what 487 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:53,880 was the first one we had that like Hit and the No, there were 488 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,400 ones before. I think I have so many that are down. There's just 489 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:05,920 a lot of different like fights going on. Um there's that triangle of danger 490 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:12,880 or danger trying. But I think that's the first the Coyotes, So that 491 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,599 one was, I mean, it's interesting because I'm pretty sure we got that 492 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:22,639 preview within the expo because we had that X Expo before with the Coyotes, 493 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:28,199 and obviously the expo I don't think we covered it, but it ends early 494 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,519 because it's just a preview for the two Grand Zenos. But we had those 495 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:38,320 foxes or the coyotes fighting Gohan and Goku at one point, and they all 496 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:45,119 try to go after m Goku, but then Vegeta comes in and you know, 497 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,880 Key teams up with Goku to end up being able to knock them out 498 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,159 of the ring. And I think the Ninth universe, the one that the 499 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,559 foxes or the coyotes are part of, the first ones to be eliminated. 500 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:02,960 Yeah, they were actually considered one of the weakest from the beginning. Um, 501 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,000 yeah, I think they were the weakest, right, I think I 502 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,239 think that was the point because they were trying to set up like the hype 503 00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:16,880 and after the initial you know match that Goku and them had against the wolves 504 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,679 or the coyotes, they pretty much said, yeah, these guys are from 505 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,679 the weakest universe, so and that's that builds up the hype. So every 506 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:30,440 single universe is going to bring stronger fighters, so that was to be expected 507 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:34,360 right there. Yeah, and yeah you already got that prolonged fight in the 508 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,440 expo, so um, yeah, there, there wasn't too much there was 509 00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:44,880 interesting. The one had the power to be able to like blind you, 510 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,320 which I don't think have we had that. I think maybe we've had it 511 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,440 once. I don't think it was through that same technique. But to be 512 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:57,960 able to like blind a particular character, I think that was kind of a 513 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,960 Yeah, poison wasn't interesting ability and not only do you blind, but the 514 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,760 poison keeps working and they get like weaker and weaker. So no, that 515 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:12,960 was an interesting twist to add to it. And yeah, obviously you know 516 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,360 Gohan ended up having to deal with that, which wasn't a piece of cake, 517 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:21,079 no exactly. Yeah, so yeah, the wolves were interesting. You 518 00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:27,320 have that giant Teddy Bear again before with the robot, and they're I mean, 519 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,800 I'm pretty sure they're pretty easy. Like the way Gohan dealt with him, 520 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,440 like he just kept punching hard, pushing him back, pushing him back, 521 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,719 and then he just fell off. So it's like, you know, 522 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,719 you think you gotta be smart with that guy, but Gohan was just like, 523 00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,519 no, I'm just gonna fucking ram through him until he falls off the 524 00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:46,599 thing. Yeah, and I think Goku steps in there for a second and 525 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:51,119 helps as well. So it's cool to see that teamwork between father and son 526 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,920 to get them done because he kind of steps in and then Gohan goes up 527 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,440 and uses the Kameyama wave on him. So that was, you know, 528 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,639 pretty cool to see that. I also loved dropping ahead a bit. I 529 00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:09,840 also loved the Hit and Goku team up and how Hit initially obviously faced Dispo 530 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:15,440 by himself, which is like the super fast guy from the from Jaran's team. 531 00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:22,840 And yeah, seeing Hit initially struggle was crazy because we're used to like 532 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,920 this guy being pretty much beyond Goku level, and then he was struggling in 533 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,880 the beginning and then they although he did manage to use his ability to put 534 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:38,400 himself in another dimension temporarily to almost beat Despo, but then his team member 535 00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:45,880 brought him back, which I gotta say was the longest fall ever because so 536 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,519 many like times we saw people fall out of the ring and they like immediately 537 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:55,360 disappear. Dispo fell for like minutes and then he got saved. But yeah, 538 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,840 I love that Goku and Hit tag team. That was fucking amazing, 539 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,880 ridiculously hype obviously, what did you think of that? And whole hits whole 540 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,000 part in this. Yeah, it was interesting because the audience around they're shocked 541 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:16,239 as well when you see Hit not being able to you know, be effective 542 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:22,559 against him because of obviously the superhering he has, he could hear him move. 543 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,360 That was interesting. I gotta say, like that was an interesting little 544 00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:29,800 way to fight. And then how Hit kind of turned it against him, 545 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:35,039 because yeah, I'm not used to that kind of thought going into Dragon Ball 546 00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:38,480 super with like instead of just overpowering or stuff like that, it's like I 547 00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:43,480 noticed that, you know, whenever you use that ability, every fiber in 548 00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:45,800 your body moves and I can sense that and I can stop you before you 549 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,199 do it. Like that was pretty interesting to me. And then how Hit 550 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,880 was able to fake him out and like you know, flex all his muscles 551 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,880 but then not use the ability and trick him, and like that was actually 552 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,079 very entertaining fight. Well does he I mean I presume it has to do 553 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:12,119 with movement, but it appears that he's transparent sometimes it's sometimes transparent, So 554 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,920 is that actually him becoming transparent or is it him manipulating time that he appears 555 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,000 transparent to us. No, he is transparent because he's like I don't know, 556 00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:23,760 I think they explained it before, like he's using a certain amount of 557 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,519 time that he kind of stacked up and you know, using it to make 558 00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:35,079 his body invisible in this playing until he wants to make it visible again and 559 00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,320 then he hits back. But yeah, there's it's something around his time power 560 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,639 where he could store it and then use it to become transparent for a while. 561 00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:49,119 Yeah. So yeah, I mean that was It was cool because to 562 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,360 just have hit like annihilating guys and you kind of see the predictable nature of 563 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,880 what's going to happen. It gets a little repetitive and boring, but to 564 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,760 see him struggle there was kind of cool to see. Um. One guy, 565 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,039 I am very curious about it. I think his name is Jesspo. 566 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,960 Okay, if I'm not mistaken, he's the guy they describe him as the 567 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:19,960 stoic looking guy. So I don't see any jess Po. Like what team 568 00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:28,599 is jering? Yes, yeah, Jesso, you were combining, you were 569 00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:34,639 combining Geren and Dispo. Yeah, so go so Jarn is husion in here? 570 00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:37,400 You never know Jern I wanted to get your thoughts on Jerr in two 571 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,960 because he seems like the ace up the sleeve of that universe. Yeah, 572 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,119 and he is bad ass in the sense of he could just look at you 573 00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:54,360 and knock you out, so like he We've seen that sometimes with other characters, 574 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,960 but like that's his m It looks like there's we haven't seen any effort 575 00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:01,440 on his part to be able to Yeah, that's another way of thing. 576 00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:08,400 Yeah, he's just like chilling there until he's needed. When when Kale goes 577 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,199 out of control, right, it's it's Jered who's just like, yeah, 578 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,800 no worries, I got this, and he just quickly takes care of the 579 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:22,119 issue. So yeah, I feel like he's just conserving his energy while the 580 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,320 rest are fighting, and then they're expecting him to just you know destroy later 581 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,199 on in the tournament. Yeah, and you wonder that as well some of 582 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:35,599 these other universes. Do they have a strategy in hand, because obviously this 583 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,519 universe does not. Like at first, they were kind of like together and 584 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:44,960 they said, okay, let's stick to the plan, and I don't I 585 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,480 don't know. There was never mentioned a particular plan. But then obviously Goku 586 00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:52,199 and just leaves right away because he wants to fight and Vegeta follows and freeze 587 00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:58,239 A follows and right now they don't have, you know, that plan, 588 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,280 it seems in place, whereas other UNI verses, Yeah, we don't know. 589 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:07,000 They could have something up their sleeve, whether conserving energy or um. 590 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,079 You see, like the Sailor Moon esque team, like they have a whole 591 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,760 transformation, which I think is hilarious. Why that's so funny. Yeah, 592 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,440 I've got to say the same thing, but yeah, go ahead, Yeah, 593 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,920 I was gonna say because in this show you're so used to the whole 594 00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:28,079 archetype of, you know, letting characters transform, and for seventeen to step 595 00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:31,360 in there and ruin the transformation and they're like, yo, don't you what 596 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,000 are you doing? Don't up to wait for us to transform. It's like, 597 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,800 all right, you can do it again. You're not gonna do even 598 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,920 Goku was like, man, you got a lot of transform come on. 599 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,159 But yeah, if this is really like a Battle Royale, bro, you're 600 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,480 transforming takes five minutes. I'm going to take you out before you get a 601 00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,039 trans and do it. And then seventeen got into playing the bad guy, 602 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:58,840 the villain of them as well. That seventeen is shining hard here, right, 603 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,880 because he he's kind of a wild card. I don't think any of 604 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:08,039 us watching the series, except maybe, like I don't know some genius dragon 605 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:14,760 Ball predictors, But I don't think anyone thought of seventeen before he actually came 606 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,679 into the picture of joining because he just hasn't been present the story for so 607 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,079 long. So getting him and seeing how strong he's become and how useful he's 608 00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:30,159 being, right, he uses his green force field pretty often. And yeah, 609 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,960 like I'm loving seventeen's role in this so far. Yeah, and I 610 00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,239 like getting a bit of his backstory about what he's been doing, Like he's 611 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:46,559 basically an animal conservationist, Like he's protecting these endangered like dinosaur slash animals. 612 00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:54,119 So he's transformed as well, because we haven't really seen that transformation like up 613 00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:59,199 close or for that long back in the Android tug of Dragon Ball Z. 614 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,800 So you see that he's you know, changed, And yeah, I mean 615 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,480 he shined a lot, and he was someone I did not expect that they 616 00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:12,440 would try to go and find, like he just he's been like I know, 617 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,239 eighteen is still in the picture, but he's just I haven't thought about 618 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:22,199 him in a long time, and for him to step in and take on 619 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:28,199 such a role there was pretty cool to see because and yeah, we'll see 620 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,199 how strong he actually is man because he is clearly like Goku when he fought 621 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,679 him, was like, yo, you're hiding something. And then again he 622 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,519 shows new moves that Gogu hasn't seen, so it's confirmed that Seventeen was hiding 623 00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:45,880 something even when he was doing really well against Goku. They both both weren't 624 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:52,280 going full out. But it's very, very interesting to see to what to 625 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,280 what extent seventeen will be able to keep up with the best of them. 626 00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:04,039 And they have a huge, huge advantage in this the androids, right, 627 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,920 because you have eighteen and seventeen. They don't get tired, right, they 628 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:14,480 don't run out of energy. Could people sense their powers? Yeah, yeah, 629 00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:19,159 so that's another advantage. So they're actually so so useful for this kind 630 00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:23,599 of long last man standing wins kind of set up. Yeah, no, 631 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,639 I never thought of that. I thought of the not being able to like 632 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,599 master power, but that's interesting as well. They just because they're not humans, 633 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:37,159 they're they are super They could endure more than any other person there so 634 00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:43,039 or creature there for that matter. So that's cool, you know what, 635 00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,119 it would be interesting as well, I know, like you know, the 636 00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:49,360 ship's sail. Then we can't have this, especially after the last start, 637 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,719 but it would have been cool the future Trunks on a team. Oh yeah, 638 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,159 hey bro, how many times have we bailed you by a year? 639 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,599 Like that conversation? Yeah, I like that conversation of like who could have 640 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:07,159 been on the team and Trunks future Trunks is a great example of him coming 641 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,639 not because he has trouble in his own world, but because he wants to 642 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,320 help this world, right, That would be an interesting twist. And Supreme 643 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:21,199 in the chat also mentioned cell like them bringing cell which would have been interesting. 644 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,199 But yeah, unless he got like a golden cell form, or unless 645 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,800 he could work as well with everyone as you know, some of the other 646 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,519 characters probably would have been a bit overkilled to bring back another villain, but 647 00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:37,039 I mean it could have been interesting. We'll see if because Super is not 648 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,719 dead. Actually, I don't think we've announced this on the podcast yet. 649 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,800 And Ray, I don't know if you know, but they announced, if 650 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:50,320 I could believe the thumbnail and titles of YouTube videos, they announced another Dragon 651 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,119 Ball Super Movie. So, like I mentioned, there's a Broly one. 652 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,320 Now they're announced another one's gonna come out, So the story is not over. 653 00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:00,559 The manga is still going, and who knows, we may have a 654 00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:07,320 resurrection of Cell in some way, so we'll see what happens. Oh there 655 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:12,400 you go. Yeah, no, Cell would have been interesting, I think. 656 00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:17,199 But as Ultimate Cell says in the chat, he mentioned selling Gohan, 657 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:23,440 bro Sell and Gohan like the dynamic between them, I'm pretty hilarious. Yeah, 658 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,239 absolutely, I mean there are some crazy dynamics think about, like Krillan 659 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:36,000 and Freezer. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Kyllan and Freezer is a funny 660 00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:37,920 one because Freezer probably doesn't care about him, he just knows he killed him 661 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:44,320 in something, but Krillan's like terrified. M h yeah. As a side 662 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,079 note as well, speaking of well not selling uess, but we mentioned Boo, 663 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,480 It's interesting how UB was mentioned at some point within this arc. I 664 00:53:53,559 --> 00:54:00,760 forget exactly where, but that's something that's kind of dropped and was never mentioned 665 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,320 in Super at all, Like we knew about at the end of Zube, 666 00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:08,440 like Goku goes off to train with Ube. But this is like the first 667 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,440 time in all of Super that Ub has mentioned how there's like this kid fighter 668 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,639 out there that you know is supposed to be will grow to be a really 669 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,159 powerful fighter, and he's the reincarnation of that. That's another good option. 670 00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:25,920 It's just they said he wasn't like old enough yet, but yeah, it's 671 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,119 another good option that or a good idea that could participate in this tournament. 672 00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:36,920 And yeah, think about the ending we saw on Dragging a Ball Z and 673 00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,079 how all of this is happening before that. And it's interesting to see how 674 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,840 as Dragon Ball Super moves forward, the ending of Dragon Ball Z kind of 675 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:51,480 starts to make more and more sense. It's it's cool how they how they 676 00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:55,480 still accept that ending and they shape the story in a way where it could 677 00:54:55,559 --> 00:55:01,360 lead to that with all of these cool power ups and stuff included. So 678 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,800 pay attention to that as we move forward through Dragon Ball Super. Yeah, 679 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,960 No, very true, because that's something that when I watched the end of 680 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:14,239 Z, I was kind of like, what, that's how you're gonna that's 681 00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,880 where we're gonna end things. It's just gonna be Goku leaving his family and 682 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,079 going to train with his little boy he's never met. Oh my god, 683 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,639 Zo yourself, the way you frame things, but it's true. Yeah, 684 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,800 it's like, hey, chee chee, sons, I'm gonna go train with 685 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,400 this kid over here and face out. I don't know what I'll be back, 686 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:38,239 like, we'll see you. And also I don't know if he knows 687 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,840 this at the time I'm trying. Yeah he I guess with super he would, 688 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,639 but I don't know if he mentions it at the time of Z. 689 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:50,199 But like, he's a reincarnation of Boo, So you know, here's this 690 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,000 guy who tried to kill him. I know it's a reincarnation, but it's 691 00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:59,719 just weird that he just drops everything and leaves. I mean, I mentioned 692 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,639 how Z. I thought the best way to end it now we'll see when 693 00:56:02,639 --> 00:56:07,400 I see everything in its entirety was when Goku dies and he's kind of like, 694 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:13,199 yeah, don't wish me back, just you know, Yeah, that 695 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,559 would have been Yeah, but again like oh yeah, perhaps that would have 696 00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:22,280 been a better way to end it, but again it's not worth not getting 697 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,440 all this stuff. Yes, very true, so we always got to keep 698 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,320 that in mind. Um. Yeah, the cell kind of wrapped up nicely 699 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,760 that arc, and it kind have been like a nice ending, but I'd 700 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,199 rather get all of these new dynamics, right, the Vegeta moments, the 701 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,719 comedy moments, the new transformations. And if you want, you know, 702 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,679 if someone just absolutely hates Dragon Ball super Like, you don't have to watch 703 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,280 it, right, you could accept like cell ending and that's it. But 704 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,639 for us who just want more and want more of these characters, I wouldn't 705 00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:02,239 trade Dragon Ball Super right, I wouldn't trade all of these new episodes. 706 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,400 Yeah. And I wonder you're talking about speaking about the characters. I wonder 707 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:13,719 if the tournament will continue with you know, each episode being a certain character 708 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,360 shining. I mean, we barely get anything so far from Freezer and Vegeta, 709 00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,239 so I want to see what happens with them. Yeah. So, 710 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:28,079 and they're big, big players, right, Massaroshi did show that he was 711 00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:31,880 able to resist some female charms, which was big for him. But yeah, 712 00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:37,719 yeah, keep keep your eyes on Freeze on Magita because they are heavy 713 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,599 hitters and they have yet to flex, so this should be interesting. Keep 714 00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:45,400 your eye on Top, which is the leader of the Gern team. Keep 715 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:51,719 your eye on Garen like those guys. Man, Oh, they're so interesting 716 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,760 right now. Can't wait to see And although I watched it like I don't 717 00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,239 remember exactly how everything wraps up. I don't remember every single fight that happens, 718 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:06,119 So I'm looking forward to seeing how this all you know, ends up. 719 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,480 Yeah, No, it is. Yeah, and it's interesting with Top 720 00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:14,760 two you talked about this is kind of the first time you could argue you 721 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,719 could frame Goku as a sort of villain, and Top actually does at one 722 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:23,920 point and the narrator calls it out the first time Goku's been I'm considered a 723 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,480 village within all of dragon Ball. Yeah, and that's hilarious because they're playing 724 00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:34,079 on that, although I don't know if that statements accurate, but they're playing 725 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,599 at that whole. These guys are superheroes in their own world. They're kind 726 00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:43,760 of making fun of the superhero genre as like parodying it in a cool way. 727 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,920 And yeah, obviously for them, they talk about justice and all that, 728 00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:52,000 and they want to take down Goku, who is like the one debut 729 00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:57,079 as responsible for all of this suffering and stuff like that. So it is 730 00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:01,280 interesting. Obviously, there are certain cases where been in dragon Ball and their 731 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:07,360 universe. You know, Goku, I guess you know, it depends how 732 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,760 you frame it. But let's say if he became a giant ape, obviously 733 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:15,199 he'd be the antagonist and that little thing when he made stupid decisions, you 734 00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:20,920 could say he wasn't helping the universe. But it brings the focus how Dragon 735 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:28,400 Ball Z is different from those shows where the main character prioritizes justice above all 736 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:35,280 else or saving the world, because Goku has always prioritized almost his saying blood 737 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,960 and wanting to fight and getting excited with fighting, and so now that we 738 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:45,559 have this contrast, it definitely makes sense that some people would view Goku as 739 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:51,880 this villain because he's so careless and he's willing to almost sacrifice anything, including 740 00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:55,840 the safety of his family, for a chance to fight someone strong. Yeah. 741 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,079 No, that is an interesting contrast right there, Um, something I 742 01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:05,719 was known kind of jumping around. It's interesting too, how at this moment, 743 01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:09,840 you know where we are in the arc, there's not unlike other tournaments, 744 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,719 there's not that like one clear enemy like you know how we usually get 745 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,000 within all the different arcs, there's that one clear villain likes it's not everyone. 746 01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:22,280 Yeah, now everyone's just trying to like fight for themselves and like if 747 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,800 anyone's the enemy, you could say it's Zeno, But he's not a conventional 748 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,880 enemy, right, Yeah, Like obviously it's pretty evel, Like you could 749 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,840 say it's evil erase the entire universes, but the dude is so naive and 750 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:42,519 innocent that you can't really call him a villain, even though depending on how 751 01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:45,599 you say what he's doing, like it sounds like a villain. He's going 752 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:51,639 to erase all the universes unless they fight the way he wants them to fight, 753 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,239 and even if they don't win, they're still gonna die. Like it's 754 01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:59,880 you know, it's pretty crazy. Yeah, so, but I don't view 755 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:04,039 as that because no, because he's not even a threat to Like he's a 756 01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:07,000 threat if he erases the universe, but he's not a threat to the actual 757 01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:10,559 tournament. He's not jumping in the ring and he's going to knock people off 758 01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:15,239 the ring. So that's the interesting thing. Even though he's super strong, 759 01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:20,360 they've set it up that he's not the kind of character who will ever do 760 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:24,280 martial arts probably right, so he's never going to be a competitor to Goku. 761 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:30,000 He could just like erase him at a moment's notice. Yeah yeah, 762 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:36,079 no, I mean interesting arc for sure, And like how they had iPads 763 01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:42,880 too. Yeah, did you notice they'd say god Tube. Did they say 764 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,199 it as a dob? I feel like they said god pad or something. 765 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,159 Okay, but oh yeah god Tube as in another thing okay, yeah, 766 01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:53,840 yeah, yeah the Godpad. Yeah they have like a god tuber. Yeah 767 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,480 exactly, No, that was that was right though as fuck. But it's 768 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,920 interesting to see how they're incorporate all this stuff even though technically in the Dragon 769 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,320 ball Z timeline, like they shouldn't be this far ahead. But it's interesting. 770 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,840 Yeah, it's like an each like the Simpsons or Family Guy. How 771 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,760 no one's aged yet the new technology has come in, like you just play 772 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,440 along with it because Yeah, it's funny how they have those reverses, like 773 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,320 the one point they say, oh I sell freeze on like highlights of him 774 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,800 on god Tube. Yeah, just like it'll be interesting if, like eventually 775 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,960 Apple comes out with a god Pad. Yeah, probably too sacrilegious, but 776 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,719 who knows. We'll see what happens. Anything else we want to cover before 777 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,639 we wrap up this episode, Ray, I don't think so. I mean 778 01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:45,360 we're almost there. Pretty exciting to think we're almost there. Yeah, we're 779 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:51,239 almost there. Next episode is going to be watching all the way through to 780 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,719 the end of the dragon Ball Super anime, not counting the broy movie. 781 01:02:54,800 --> 01:03:00,000 We'll save that for later. So just to tell you guys the exact episode, 782 01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:01,639 even though it's pretty straightforward. You just watch until the end of the 783 01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:06,480 series, but episodes one hundred and five to one hundred and thirty one, 784 01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,679 the end of the Tournament of Power, the end of dragon Ball Super Anime, 785 01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:14,960 and the we'll get to see what Garring's all about. We'll get to 786 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,159 see what Tops all about. We'll get to see if as Rays, assuming 787 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,280 there will be some kind of save the Day moment with the dragon Balls, 788 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:30,960 or if those universes will just remain erased. So until next time, see 789 01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,480 us Space Cowboys Bay