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Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented
by fan Tracks, your source of information

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and analysis to help you win your
fantasy hockey league. Fuck off, that's

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a step hit on stay lot far
goshhot go. Here's your hosts, Jesse

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Sevier and Victor Nuno Fantasy Hockey Live
back once agnd to talk your fantasy hockey

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needs. I am Jesse Severe of
fan Tracks. He is Victor Nuno of

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Diaper Prospects. Victor, how you
doing. I'm doing great, Jesse.

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It's been a super busy weekend with
lots of new drafting and stuff, and

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yeah, it's been a whirlwind.
I'm trying to. I'm trying to.

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I'm sure you've had this experience too, where you're on the clock and you're

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trying to figure out which league you're
in that you're on the clock for,

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and what the settings are and who
you need and what the team needs are,

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and there's just been too much of
that overlapping. It's hard to keep

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it all straight sometimes when you think, yeah, I'm thinking you and I

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are both deeply immersed. And I
know we said this last episode, but

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it's still true. It's still where
we're living is in the middle of nine.

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I'm in nine different fantasy hockey drafts, of which only three of which

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are am I in active pristman.
But we're administering the other ones here,

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and you're even more over with Dibber
prospects reports. So you're in a mill,

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you know, and everything is very
engaging about this. The one thing

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that seems to suffer sometimes it seems
to drop is every once in a while,

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I end up on the clock in
one of these drafts, so I'm

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like, oh, shoot, I
actually need to draft too. Who do

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I want. I've only been thinking
about this for I don't know how many

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months, but I guess now I
actually have to make a choice of what

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rookie I want. How have your
draft's been going? Do you feel good

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about the results you're getting? Yeah? I think it's you're so right though.

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Two, it's we send so much
time setting up the leagues and worrying

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that everything is working correctly. Sometimes
I even I just forget or you don't

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pay as much attention to how you're
actually doing right. It's oh, I'll

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actually have to pay attention to what
I'm doing here again. Another plug for

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having a COGM and one of my
leagues. I teamed up with Mason Black

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the ranking himself, and so that's
been super fun because sometimes one of us

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will have more time than the other
and he'll one or the other will give

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each other a short list of Okay, this is who I'm thinking, and

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then that just makes it so much
easier to keep someone else, help someone

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else, keep you on the same
page. And I'm liking that league.

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It's a thirty two team leagues.
It's hard to like your team all too

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much because basically every time the pick
comes around to you, everyone you want

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is gone. But it was fun. We went Kachuk Banier's Bratt Ryan Hart,

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so there were some good picks there, and then we decided in the

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seventh round to finally take a goalie. Those the startup drafts were always a

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little bit and it's a cap league
too, so those are always a little

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bit interesting because you never really know
which way it's going to go. But

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I've gotten a couple of leagues that
I'm drafting in. I had the hard

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pick, so that was both amazing
but also slightly uninteresting because you're just like,

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know who you're gonna take, right, It's like, not, yeah,

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there's no fanfare there. It's just
I'm taking the best guy here,

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and you all can figure it out. After actually one of those leagues,

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I did that, and for god, I had a few other picks yep,

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like twenty seven picks later, but
I still had to make those picks.

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At some point I was like,
oh, I guess there are other

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guys that are interesting after Badard,
Right, Yeah. In original FHL Dynasty,

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I've torched my picks for a couple
of years for a win now build.

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So I've got picked forty six and
I don't even know what's going to

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happen by then. I've got some
ideas, but it's just impossible to know

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who's going to survive that long.
But I had the Mitchkoff pick in our

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common league, and apparently then I
picked pick nine and picked sixteen and I

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got Dala Boor Davorsky and Andrew Krystal. And apparently I like Dala Borre Davorsky

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because I got him in the tidy
too. I'm I'm I'm all in.

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I'm a Dali bor Davorsky devotee,
Victor. I'm a triple D. Yeah,

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there are probably other ways that Triple
D could go, but we'll leave

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it at at debot. I like
that, and yeah, yeah, it's

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funny how that happens. You're sometimes
just land in the sweet spot for certain

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players, and beforehand you might not
have really been that excited about them,

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but then you just end up with
them in multiple places and then you're the

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biggest fan because you're just like,
let's go, You're gonna you're gonna be

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great. I know it. Yeah, there's and I think we've said this,

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but there's a really obviously when you
get into the draft, there's seven

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guys that I feel like are that
top tier, So if you fall,

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I picked nine in that league,
and I was like, oh, okay

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that sometimes you can count on somebody
to do something a little bit odd,

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and I think Ryan Downey is maybe
looking into that and he's gonna do something

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not I shouldn't say odd. People
who are thinking against the conventional wisdom,

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against the green, and we respect
that, but it could cause people who

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I would have liked to fall.
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first seven players were the first seven
players, first seven players I wanted were

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the first seven off the board,
and even the eighth was the eighth off

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the board. From me. It
is what it is, Victor. People

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should continue to engage. They could
be a part of these tidy leagues.

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Next year. They could be playing
Dynasty with you and me and Mason Black

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and Bryan Downey and Nate are content
curator, so many cool people, so

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many main characters, Simon. But
to do that they need to join up

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into the Patreon. Why don't you
tell people about that and what they might

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expect if they get in it.
Yeah. Through the Patreon you can access

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all kinds of cool parks about the
show. One of the biggest ones is

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the show notes. We write up
pretty extensive show notes for every show,

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so you can look at charts and
graphs and you can if you forget,

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you can have quick access to what
people said and what kind of questions were

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asked. There's all kinds of different
parts between the dig and the goalie talk

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and obviously the main guest of the
show. That's good stuff. There's obviously

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the tidy the tier Dynasty, which
is is full now, but we can

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get on the list and might be
able to join mid season if someone drops.

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Least season we only had a couple
of drops, which was good and

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hopefully that continues, but maybe next
season as well, when we expand things

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as we probably will. And yeah, obviously things like patron casts and the

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prospect rank list if you're trying to
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and who to take, and you
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think is best, and also what
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and you can organize it by four
D and goalie. Those all kinds of

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That's enough of this introduction. Let's take

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a Brie break and we're going to
come back with Jonathan Willis of the Athletic.

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We are extremely pleased today to have
back a man who knows his Edmonton

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oilers from the Athletic. It is
Jonathan Willis, How are you doing,

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Jonathan doing really great? It's always
fun to be talking hockey in August.

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That's great. Yeah, absolutely,
Victor and I are celebrating what we're calling

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International Fantasy Hockey Draft Day or something
like that. I don't think we've settled

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on a name, but we started
more than a dozen rookie drafts at the

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exact same time, which is really
unhealthy but is very engaging for this weekend.

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Are you playing fantasy hockey this year? We don't expect you to,

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but I'm just curious. No,
I've played fantasy hockey for years. I'm

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actually in a really long running keeper
league, so we're oh nice. We're

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very obsessive about it, as people
long running keeper leagues tend to be.

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That's awesome, man, Let's get
to it. Let's talk Edmonton Oilers because

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there's a lot to talk about here. For the team, it wasn't the

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offensives fault, and you can't say, really it wasn't faults at all.

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In some ways, the Oilers made
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Boss at this game, it was
Vegas that got him in the quarterfinals four

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to two, and the team over
the course of the season led the NHL

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in just everything offensive. The goals
three hundred twenty five goals, eighty nine

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power play goals, eleven point eight
percent shooting thirty two point four percent power

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play were obscene, thirty six goals
more than the second place team. That

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hadn't happened. That big of a
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since two thousand nine twenty ten.
I would just clicking on Hockey Reference because

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I just wanted to know. There's
six hundred sixty five points. Percentage was

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perhaps quietly the team's best since nineteen
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the last three of their Stanley Cups
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regular season record. Unfortunately, defense
not awful, but middle of the road,

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and Stewart Skinner, who saved their
season at different parts, had only

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an eight seventy five say percentage in
the final playoff series. We'll get to

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the stars that brought Edmonton as far
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I'm just wondering whether last season was
enough of a step forward that Edmonton folks

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are looking at it and saying we're
close. How do you expect Edmonton to

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rate out in the coming year.
Jonathan, I think the expectation last year

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and maybe it was a little premature, but you heard what Connor David would

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Lean dry Sidle said after the loss
to Vegas Stanley Cupper Bust. That's where

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they're at, the expectancy playoff success. They played a fairly close series against

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the Golden Knights, but I think
if you look at what happened in the

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playoffs afterward, people go, we
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beat Florida. If they've been able
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in particular, there were some specific
issues of deployment that I think they're going

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to come back and learn from,
because it turns out you can't run Nick

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Buke's dad and the codycc Darnell Nurse
pair against the Jack Eichel line and have

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it turn out okay. They got
they got blown apart, and it undid

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a lot of the good that had
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All that being said, I don't
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playoff loss, especially not to the
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Cup. All the offensive stuff is
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we'll get into it, but I
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a step back at least in terms
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this should be a Cup contending team. If you look at the top ten

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teams in the league, they're comfortably
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that top five conversation at least.
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a longer run. If you're an
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that's very realistic. I think Edmonton
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league for sure. And we're going
to start with the player that is.

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You know, hey, I prepare
I try to prepare a lot of stuff

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on each one of the guys.
Jonathan. I'm struggling with Connor McDavid because

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what else is there to say,
So let me give you some stats.

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He was the number one player in
Fantasy high this year. Victor and I

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both thought he was at least in
the top two last year, and he

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is absolute top tier and he hit
a brand new level. He led the

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league, set personal career highs in
coals and assists sixty four goals versus forty

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four the year before. Eighty nine
assists versus seventy nine the year before,

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one hundred and twenty or one hundred
and fifty nine points then versus one twenty

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three, a thirty goal jump from
this guy who was already at the top

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four and a half shots a hit
per game in twenty two twenty three average

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time on ice. It was the
greatest scoring season, the fifteenth overall all

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time scoring season and the best since
Mario Lemieux, and only Lemieux Gretzky in

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one season of Steve Eiserman were ever
more than what McDavid had last year.

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My job is to come up with
something interesting. But all I can ask

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is, if this guy went from
one twenty three to one hundred and fifty

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three points, what's going to happen
next? Is this going to happen again?

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Or is it a regression you're talking
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just pull it back to earth alone. I should start with my expectations of

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him going into the last season.
I really thought Connor McDavid was going to

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have a career year, which I
mean doesn't take a profit by any stretch.

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But the way I thought it was
going to happen was wrong because I

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was looking at his five on five
numbers and from two years ago, and

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I thought, gee, that's below
his career average. He's certainly capable of

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topping three points per hour at five
on five, and he was at I

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believe two point six or something in
that range, and he had he did

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have a modest bump up at five
on five we went to two point seven,

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but his where scoring really took off
was on that power play, which

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just that power play was ridiculous.
That is the most dynamite. Like I

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grew up in the watching, like
my real hockey fandom came in the late

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nineteen nineties, So for me,
the Detroit Red Wings powerplay with all those

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Hall of famers was always the class
of the league. This was night and

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day above that which I never thought
i'd ever see. And I think they'll

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take I don't know. These guys
are ridiculous, especially McDavid. Maybe it

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holds on another year and it does
the same thing again, maybe it takes

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a small step back, But I
look at Connor and I see a player

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who at five on five can still
hit a higher level than he's been at.

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And you look at Edmonton's roster construction
last year, some of the complimentary

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pieces, especially at right wing,
McDavid didn't always have the help that he

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might have had in another situation.
Ken Holland's done a decent job of building

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up those supporting cast pieces to McDavid
and dry Title. But I think this

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year there's a potential for it to
be even higher once you've the pleerv and

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Yamamoto experiments are over. I really
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year at five on five, which
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Frankly absurd also explains his running mate
there Leon dry Title. The fact

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that the Edmonton Rolers have both of
these guys is just ridiculous. And when

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fantasy it's these two, he actually
finished the third best. But in any

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way you slice it, he's right
there as one of the top picks,

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and we certainly expect that to continue. The last four years of Dry Siddle,

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he's been in the one point three
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neighborhood. His ice time and power
play time on ice has stayed about the

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same, and he generally shoots around
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I don't only see any reason why
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fifty goals, potting sixty to seventy
assists. Last year he had fifty two

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goals, seventy six assists, one
point six points per game, and a

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pretty decent number of hits shots.
And of course the sixty two power play

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points is absurd and two years left
at eight point five million, so it

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seems like actually hit a bit of
a bargain. One thing I wonder is

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maybe the competition between these two,
if they try to outdo each other a

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little bit, maybe he can get
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McDavid went so high. I don't
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don't know Jonathan. Again, it's
the same with dry What kind of question

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do we ask here? But do
you think he's going to keep up towards

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scoring pace or do you think that
he might? Is there any reason why

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he might regress a little bit and
not be able to do similar to what

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he did last season? I think
the one real key question in Edmonton with

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both McDavid and dry cycle is how
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together on that power play, but
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more when they're on the same line. Now, that's not always good for

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the team because they produce more points, but they give up more the other

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way, and of course it leaves
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it's from a team perspective it's very
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well, when they play together,
if you won't either of them, you

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love it because their individual numbers shoot
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at five on five, it's a
similar story to McDavid where he's I believe

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he was two point four two point
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number down, but sorry, two
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at five on five, which is
below what he's capable of. This is

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a guy who can do maybe twenty
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more twenty percent more than that.
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room to improve at five on five
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he plays a little bit more with
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think the overall increase in Edmonton's forward
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But again, you just you look
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and you wonder if it can sustain. So for me, I'll look at

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him and let's a really long winded
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the status quot for dry side.
Let's take a step down from immortal to

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merely absolutely outstanding with Ryan NuGen Hopkins
thirty seven goals, sixty seven assist,

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one hundred four points in the eighty
two games. Now talk about a guy

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who benefited from the power play.
Fifty three of those hundred four points were

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on the man advantage. This also
blew out of the water Nuge's career high

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of sixty nine points sixty nine versus
one oh four. That was not a

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square in my bingo card for twenty
twenty three. Nudge turned thirty at the

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end of the season, so he
is certainly Yeah, I guess you call

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it late prime. Who knows he
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some other fun facts. Nudge led
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technically, according to Evolving Hockey's model, he also had the worst shorthanded defense

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goals bubber policeman on the team.
Maybe that just goes along with being on

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the ice more. At even strength, he spent under thirty percent of his

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time with McDavid and dry Sidle,
so it wasn't just a matter of pair

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up with those guys at even strength. This year was an outlier for sure.

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Nugent Hopkins presumably is not at the
age where you just expect this massive

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jump in scoring to last. But
I don't know what percentage of last year's

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Nugent Hopkins will this year's NuGen Hopkins
be Jonathan. That's a fair question,

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and I think in two separate ways, because the first one is obviously the

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per game production like he like you
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the water. But the second thing
for me is games played. Because Ryan

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NuGen Hopkins is a guy who typically
plays sixty sixty five games a year.

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He was healthy all season, so
that's a big part of things too.

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Obviously he benefits from being on that
power play. To me, he gets

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a little bit of disrespect just in
from punditry around the league for his power

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play prowess because they're like as a
product of the system. No, Ryan

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Nugent Hopkins was an elite power player
player before he ever step on the ice

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with Connor McDavid Orlean try Cycle.
He's always been a high end power play

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performer. The question was what he
could do at five on five, and

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he also had career numbers this year
at five on five and very interesting.

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I was glad you pointed out where
he was playing, because for a big

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chunk of the year he was playing
thirdline center with Glim Coston and the Tsyan

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Mark and scoring in that role,
which is not a bad place to be

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because you're not taking on the heavy
defensive minutes with those wingers and you're getting

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the low end of the opposition in
lineup with McDavid and dry Side leading up

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the high end. So I think
he's shown he can score in a variety

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of situations. That being said,
I fully expect him to step back this

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year for the entire league in the
summer. One of the things I do

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is awaited three year average, and
so I pulled his numbers up before I

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came on here. If you look
at the last three years over an eighty

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two game average, he's about an
eighty seven point player. And to me,

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that's what I would hope for if
I owned him in Fantasy, would

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be the point per game mark.
He will step back. He in all

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likelihood, I don't have a crystal
ball either. But you look at his

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career production in his age and all
those things, and you think he steps

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back. But there's a decent shot
he's a point per game ish guy,

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especially if he stays out. Yeah, let's see another eighty two Ryan,

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because that was amazing. Last year
Zach Hyman, he had thirty six goals,

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forty seven assists for eighty three points
and seventy nine games, again a

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point per gamer, twenty nine points
above his hire career high, throw in

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a hit and three point five shots
a game on a team loaded with offensive

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stars. Evolving Hockey's model actually counted
him as having the highest offensive goals above

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replacement, which tells me something about
the model when he's on the team with

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McDavid and dry Sidle, But it
tells you he's no slouch for darn share

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eighth in the NHL in offensive goals
above replacement. One imagines that's not that's

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partly the company he kept, and
he was next to Connor McDavid sixty four

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percent of the time at even strength, and Leon dry Sidle was his second

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most common forward partner at forty seven
percent. At the time. His defense

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came out just a touch on the
negative side in that model, But again,

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this is not a easy team to
be positive on because there were other

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issues on the defense other than just
had the boards were playing. Was Hyman

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as good last year as these numbers
indicate, and do you think you could

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see a seventy point year maybe in
this coming one, Jonathan, I think

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Hyman's a bit of a mixed bag
and compared to those numbers, so I

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haven't dug into how I didn't dig
into how Evolving Hockey's model works prior to

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coming on the podcast. But my
suspicion there is that part of what makes

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Hyman look so good is that he
was playing at the position of least depth

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for the Edmonton Oilers. He was
playing rightly, so you contrast him with

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how all the other Lions did.
Because I believe, if I remember right,

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it's been a couple of years since
I've really dug into the what's publicly

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available on their model, But if
I remember right, at contrasts Wowi's and

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things like that, And in this
case, Hyman's competing with Kylie Yamamoto,

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who great player. Really liked the
player, but he had a tough year

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and probably shouldn't have been cast in
the role he was casting. So I

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think obviously the model numbers are going
to be a little higher than Hyman's true

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impact. It's as you alluded to
there. I do think a seventy point

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seasons realistic. You look at what
Hyman did, I believe, and I

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should have written a number down,
But I believe he had fifteen goals or

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some such on the power plays,
the net front presence. He had a

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very high shooting percentage on the power
play, which normally would be a cause

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for concern, But when you look
at his history, whenever he's got power

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play time, he's been in that
five six point per game range, and

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NetFront presence is a place where you
tend to have a high shooting percentage because

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there's lots of second chance, there's
lots of redirects, things like that.

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That's bike of players offense. So
I think that'll stay. He waited three

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year average is another number I probably
wouldn't go far past, like he's a

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kind of a thirty forty seventy guy. For me, if he's health the

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over eighty two games that he had
good health last year, whether or not

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that continues is fair to ask,
given the way he plays the game,

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and as you point out, a
lot of his secondary stats are also great.

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Yeah, I think he's a very
good secondary piece. Yeah for sure.

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I love the way to three years. I'm a big fan of that

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too. Evander Kane next guy to
talk about. He's always a darling if

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you look at it from a fantasy
perspective when he can stay on the ice.

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Three point five shots and three hits
a game is just the cheap code

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for fantasy leagues. The count hits
and count bash sixties type point pace is

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also a great asset, and obviously
is getting higher up right wing minutes for

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a team like this. Sixteen goals, twelve assists, twenty eight points in

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forty one games was because of a
bad rist injury that this year, some

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years has been a little bit of
trouble. He's gotten into a lot of

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times it's been injury, but bad
wrist injury kind of seems like some bad

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luck for him, only a startling
Two of these points came on the power

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play, by far, the worst
of his career. That's crazy for a

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team like this for Kane only to
get two power play points out of all

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those. He ended the regular season
with one point in the final nine regular

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season games and managed only one assist
in that Vegas series over one hundred and

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twenty minutes on ice, So that
was rough too. A lot of mileage

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on that body because he has always
played a very physical game, and this

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is a lot of time. You
think we'll have a bounce back season to

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the right of one of those supercenters. What are you expecting from a vander

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Keane that's your John. I'm expecting
a big bounce back here. Yeah.

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Absolutely. If you look at his
numbers since he came to Edmonton through his

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risk injury in November, he had
fifty seven games played, twenty seven points,

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thirty five assists, fifty sorry fifty
two, twenty seven goals and fifty

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two points over fifty seven games play. And then to finish the year he

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went, he had fifteen points to
twenty seven games, So that drives down

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his numbers. Prior to that risk
injury, he was close to a point

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per game. Guy in Edmonton,
I don't think he's really gonna benefit from

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the power play because he's stuck on
the second unit, and in Edmonton,

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the second unit gets thirty seconds a
mop up duty. That doesn't seem likely

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to be changed to me, because
that McDavid, dry Sidal Nugent Hawks trio

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is too good to break up,
and you want a shot in the NetFront

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position down low. Otherwise Kane might
be swapping back and forth with Hyman in

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that slot because of Hyman's handedness.
I don't think that's going to happen.

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I mean, there's always injuries in
whatever could happen, but it seems unlikely

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to me. But that being said, he's a hard guy to get in

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a fantasy hockey trade, and he
goes early in the drafts because of all

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those great secondary stats that you said. But to me, I think he's

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a good bet to out perform that
sixty sixty five point range he typically lands

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in. There's a good chance to
me that he's a seventy five point player

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again if he stays healthy, which
is a ver question. But to me,

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just going back to the team level, vering off fantasy for a minute

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here, overplaying him in the playoffs
when he was clearly not close to one

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hundred percent was part of the problem
with Edmonton. But you bounce him up

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and that's a big part of the
secondary cast improving in Edmonton because for most

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of the year they did not have
a healthy of Vander Kane and it hurt

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them a bit. All right,
let's move on to the next guy,

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Connor Brown. And there's a big
unknown here with Connor. We don't he

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didn't really play very much last season. He had a bit of an injury

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miss this season with a knee injury
and had acal surgery. He's pretty cheap

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one year at seven seventy five k
and he's only committed for the one year.

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I'm not really sure what's going on, but I just want I'm sure

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you're aware, Jonathan, but for
our listeners, I find it really fascinating

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that he was teammates with Connor McDavid
back in the Erie otter days. And

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even though he was a D plus
two player when McDavid was there, he

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did outpoint him. So several years
older, but one hundred and twenty eight

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points and sixty eight games and McDavid
had ninety nine and fifty six in his

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D minus one year, which is
hilarious. But they have some history playing

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together. There's obviously a lot of
buzz about maybe he'll get some opportunity there.

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In some ways, it makes sense
because Brown has been a really strong

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defensive player. Of course he against
if you're trying to even out the line

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and not let not have them get
scored on so much when they're out there,

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because obviously we know McDavid scores a
lot, but sometimes isn't always the

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best offensively. So that could certainly
boost his fantasy stock if you think there's

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a chance they'll play together, obviously
we don't know, But what are your

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thoughts do you think he did?
You think Connor Brown plays a little bit

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higher in the lineup or is he
going to be relegated to a third line

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role? And I'd be super interesting. I think Connor Brown is going to

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play a top six role for the
Oilers. You mentioned his seven hundred and

407
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seventy five K cap hit, but
of course with bonuses, he could hit

408
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,480
four million dollars. I don't,
and that money is going to get charged

409
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to next year's cap, which is
why Edmonton did it this way. They

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have him not a great cap dollar
this year, they're going to pay the

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cost for that next season because as
soon as he hits ten games played,

412
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he gets all those bonuses. So
to me, they didn't make that decision

413
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,359
with the thought that he was going
to be a third line player. They

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did it with the thought that he
was going to shore up the top six.

415
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The other thing, too, is
if you look at it in terms

416
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of points per game and you extrapolate
over an eighty two game schedule when he's

417
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healthy, Brown's at forty five fifty
point player. He's never actually had fifty

418
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,160
points in his career because he doesn't
stay healthy. But he does score it

419
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,079
a decent clip. Like he say, he's got some real two way value.

420
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,720
He does have his stree with McDavid. I like that he's history with

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00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:06,039
McDavid. But to me, I'm
not so much worried about whether he lands

422
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,119
on Connor McDavid's line because we've we've
seen it in the past where a player,

423
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as history comes in, everyone expects
he's going to play with the one

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guy and then he ends up somewhere
else. But Edmonton's top six is fantastic,

425
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,799
and it's five. It's only five
names deep. It's the five guys

426
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,200
we've talked about. I think Connor
Brown is clearly the number six guy in

427
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,759
that rotation. It's not going to
be all Ryan McLoud because he plays center.

428
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:27,960
It's not going to be a Warren
Fogel in all likelihood, Although Fogels

429
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,200
look good when they've tried him there, I think it's gonna be Brown,

430
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960
And to me, he's a good
bet to set career best numbers. He

431
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,319
won't get a lot of power play
time. He'll be in the same boat

432
00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:41,400
as Evander Kane there where he might
show up on the second unit, but

433
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,599
the second unit doesn't matter in Edmonton. But he will get a lot of

434
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,480
five on five time with either McDavid
or try Cydle, and with a good

435
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,000
winger on the other end. So
I fully expect him to set for best

436
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:56,720
numbers if he stays healthy. You
mentioned a couple of them. We'll just

437
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,880
cover a couple of these depth forwards
as a kind annuity, because all of

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00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,000
them were about twenty some games short
of the full season, all of them

439
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:08,400
scored somewhere in the mid twenties.
Weren't Fogel, Ryan McLeod, Matthias Jean

440
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:14,000
Mark. Are any of these guys
gonna pop up to greater relevance on this

441
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,119
team? And if you had to
pick them or order them in terms of

442
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,880
points scored next year, how would
you go about it? Jonathan I'd probably

443
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,319
put McLoud first. If you look
at McLeod, he as a rookie scored

444
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,960
one point three points per hour at
five on five. Last year it was

445
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,960
one point nine, so that was
a big jump, but his ice time

446
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,599
only rose slightly. So if he
gets that full time third line center role,

447
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,319
he's going to be playing fifteen minutes
a night, which for him will

448
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,480
if he can score at that clip, will be great. The other thing

449
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,079
I look at with McLeod is the
splits through January first. He had eight

450
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,240
points in his first twenty five games. He had fifteen points in thirty two

451
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,680
games after January one, and he's
obviously a young player. He's improving.

452
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,279
He's got a coach who had him
at the minor league level in Jay Woodcroft,

453
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,400
so there's a lot there that's working
in his favor. I think at

454
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,519
some point in Cloud's going to be
a forty point player. It wouldn't surprise

455
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:07,680
me this year if he's fairly north
of thirty, maybe north of thirty five.

456
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,039
He's never going to be a big
offensive player unless he ends up playing

457
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,839
left wing with one of the star
guys in a different role. Right now,

458
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,559
he seems like he's paid for that
third line, more defense oriented role.

459
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,119
But I think he'll have the highest
point production of those of that group.

460
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:29,440
If somebody else tops him, I
think it'll be Fogel. Vogel has

461
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,440
actually played really well when he's been
pushed into a winger role with McDavid or

462
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,880
dry Sidle. You look at the
lineup this year and you've got guys like

463
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,000
Kane Hyman and Brown and new Jan
Hopkins for that matter, All four of

464
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:44,440
those guys we've discussed injury as a
concern. So there's a real chance that,

465
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,160
like I don't think Fogel is starting
in the top six, but there's

466
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,000
a very decent chance he gets forty
games there between those four guys all the

467
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,400
same time, and if he does, he could knock his career best numbers

468
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,559
out of the park. There's a
reason they hung on to him, even

469
00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:00,400
though he's got a fairly hefty cap
it and they're in capell and it's because

470
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,880
they value what he brings. Without
being said, Ian McLoud were a great

471
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:06,079
third line duo two, so you
might not want to break that up.

472
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,559
You might want to give those those
minutes to somebody like Dylan Holloway instead.

473
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:11,440
So for that reason, I think
he's a good player, I don't think

474
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,519
he's going to get the opportunity to
really shine. And finally, yan Mark,

475
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,599
I think he's the jack of all
trades, bottom six guy. I

476
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,559
don't think he's going to get the
same top six opportunities and the same point

477
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,279
production sidemaking him third in that group. Well, let's move to the blue

478
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:30,359
line, Jonathan, and we'll start
with Darnell Nurse. Victor and I both

479
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,680
had him, Actually, both of
us ranked him number nine among defensemen in

480
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:38,720
the preseason. He ended up number
eighteen, and we're both very bullish on

481
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,720
him again this year. Being a
top tier guy, he's in it for

482
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,799
the long haul with this team.
That's for darn sure, seven more years

483
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,599
at nearly ten million dollars per year
and in no move clause, represents easily

484
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,960
the greatest financial commitment on the team, given that his contract extends out past

485
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,319
where McDavid's in dry Saddles does at
the moment. Twenty eight year old also

486
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,960
set career hind points last year with
forty three in eighty two games. Maybe

487
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,119
I'm spoiled by everybody else on this
team having their numbers just jumped through the

488
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:12,279
roof but let's figure as central as
Nurse didn't benefit from a whole bunch of

489
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:17,160
a twos or something like that that
you think maybe would have come with it.

490
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:22,160
But mind you, as individual point
participation or IP went up from thirty

491
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,160
four to forty three percent last year, so he actually was getting a little

492
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,119
bit more in on some of the
points being scored when he's on the ice.

493
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,359
Well, but only one of those
were on the power play. He's

494
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,160
definitely outside that power play one that
you're talking about. He's not getting the

495
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,559
love up there. The Bash stats
backtracked. Bash tracked from almost three shots

496
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:45,400
per game to more like two and
a half, close to three hits per

497
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,839
game down to fewer than two,
and after two straight years over twenty five

498
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,000
average time on ice, he skated
twenty three thirty last year. Am I

499
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,839
staring too hard at this and being
pessimistic about Nurse's line because he is still

500
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,240
elite from a fantasy perspective? Obviously
going to talk about another guy who's way

501
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,680
up in the picture now, but
is he going to lead the Oilers in

502
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,680
minutes again this year and have roughly
the stats that I just mentioned. That's

503
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,400
the way I look at it,
and I think it's going to go.

504
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,039
There's obviously the potential for some of
his minutes to be reduced with Mattiazakon being

505
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,400
on the team full time from the
start of the year on that left side,

506
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,000
and that left side is actually really
competitive because you look at the depth

507
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,599
guys, Brett Kulak, Philip Broberg, there are all guys that Edmonton wants

508
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:30,000
to give minutes too. So I
could see Nurse taking But realistically, you

509
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:32,640
also mentioned his capit in the role
he's playing on the team. How far

510
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,920
below twenty three minutes a game could
he go. I don't think we can

511
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,839
really see him dropping much blow maybe
twenty two at a floor. So to

512
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,319
me, he's a guy. He
hits, he blocks, he collects penalty

513
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,319
minutes if he really counts penalty minutes, and he scores forty points. He

514
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,440
gets lots of five on five time
with both McDavid and dry Citle, which

515
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,839
is just a function of playing a
lot of minutes in Edmonton. And he's

516
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,599
probably the second or third choice for
power Play one duty, so he's not

517
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,400
going to be a big factor there. He's just a very good fantasy player

518
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,920
who does a lot of things well. But isn't going to allow you on

519
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,119
the point side. Speaking of the
guy who probably should allow you with points

520
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,559
and get all the power play time, Evan Bouchard, I feel like we've

521
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:15,759
been waiting for this moment for a
long time Jonathan. But he was closer

522
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,720
to a thirty thirty five point guy
most of the season, and then in

523
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:22,000
the last quarter his time on ice
and power play time on ice went up

524
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,519
and he was nearly a point per
game, which obviously coincided with the Tyson

525
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:30,799
Berry trade. I feel like the
Oilers may have been suppressing his value a

526
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,200
little bit so they could get a
good contract with him. He's in RFA,

527
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,319
still unsigned. I'm not really sure
what that's going to come in at.

528
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,960
I think I've heard a lot of
speculation of whether they should bridge him

529
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:46,000
or sign him to a really long
deal. Hockey Evolving Hockey has him likely

530
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,440
at six years, five point four
million. I think that would be pretty

531
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,799
good for the team. If you
look at his underlyings, they're just fantastic.

532
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,519
Not only is he really good on
the power play, but he has

533
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,920
steadily improved his even strength play to
the point where he's actually really good both

534
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,720
ways. And the rest of the
Blue Line, I don't think has that

535
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,559
same sort of quality, really good
offensive creation and defensive so I think he

536
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:14,559
could be in line for an absolute
monster season. Obviously, running that top

537
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,840
power play anybody can do really well, and he showed that he's pretty adept

538
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,079
at that. So what do you
think is in store for Evan Bouchard?

539
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:23,199
At first? What do you think
the contracts will come in at? And

540
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,880
then what do you think his production
will be like? To me, it

541
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,639
would be lovely if the oilers could
prioritize a long term contract for Bouchard,

542
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,760
but looking at their cap situation,
I think that's a foregone conclusion at this

543
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,719
point. My expectation is he'll get
a two year bridge deal, very similar

544
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,239
to what boen Byram Condre Miller got
in that three point eight three point nine

545
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,440
range. To be honest, I'm
a little surprised it's not done already because

546
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:51,320
those two guys set the market and
that's about the amount of money Edmonton has.

547
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,840
I look at it, and this
is not based on any kind of

548
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,159
insight into the negotiations, because I
don't know what they've discussed. But I

549
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,679
can't help but wonder if Edmonton's hoping
to squeeze that number down a little bit

550
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,400
on a one or two year deal
just in order to squeeze another player onto

551
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,480
the roster because they could use one
more body. They might have to go

552
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:08,760
with the twenty one man roster this
year. If they could make it twenty

553
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,960
two, that would make it a
lot easier. So I feel like that

554
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,159
might be the hold up. But
that's just my educated guest. That's not

555
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,639
me reporting anything. But I fully
expect it's going to be right in that

556
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,679
condre byroom contract range. In terms
of what he's going to perform. We

557
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,920
all know how well he did after
Barry was traded. To me, that's

558
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,000
less. That's just a function entirely
of opportunity. Bouchard probably should have had

559
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,639
that power play one role on merit
before Barry left. But it's really hard

560
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,480
to unseat an incumbent, especially an
incumbent on a power play that's performing so

561
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:44,599
well. And Tyson Berry is no
slouch as an offensive the man, as

562
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,360
anyone who's watched the league last ten
years notes, But Bouchard, to me,

563
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,199
he brings a little bit more to
that power play, especially with respect

564
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,920
he was shot. He was close
to a point per game to close out

565
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,880
the year. I don't know that
i'd project him that over a full season,

566
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,440
but if you figure fifty five points
is a floor and maybe all the

567
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,920
way up to seventy five, I
think you're probably going to be in the

568
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,960
range. Just best guess, I'd
say he's going to be in that sixty

569
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,400
sixty five point ballpark, and there
could be some fluctuation on there depending on

570
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,320
exactly what happens with that power play. The other thing I think might help

571
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,079
them, I'm very curious to see
how the Oilers roll their defensive units out

572
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:27,320
of camp because it's been Darnell Nurse
and CODYCC on their shutdown pairing for ages

573
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,480
now and it just did not work
in the postseason. Especially so to me,

574
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:36,280
I wonder if we see Bouchard get
promoted onto that top five on five

575
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,440
unit and CODYCC take a lesser role, And to me, that would be

576
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,360
good for both Buchard and for Nurse
if that were to happen, and that

577
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:49,800
would enhance the fantasy value of both
players. Yeah, the five five pairs

578
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,400
seem like they might need a little
adjustment, And man, if you're saying

579
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,840
they're going to bridge him for that
cheap or potentially do a one year contract

580
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,199
in a cap league. He's going
to be by far one of the most

581
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,599
valuable players because he's already getting so
much power play opportunity, and usually the

582
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,880
guys who dictate that amount of power
play production are in the eight to nine

583
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,880
million dollar range. So that's you're
gonna everyone's gonna have to run out and

584
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,519
go get Evan Bischard if you can. I'm sure if someone rosters him already,

585
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,760
you're probably not gonna be able to
pry him away. But it might

586
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,639
not last too long, as you
said it, because the expectation would be

587
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,199
I'm sure to lock him up after
that. Whatther that happens or not,

588
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,400
may or may not happen. But
yeah, that's gonna be incredible if you

589
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,960
can get him for really cheap,
because I think as much as he might

590
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,119
be comparable to byronman Miller, I
think his upside is probably a lot higher

591
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,039
since he doesn't have someone blocking his
power play opportunity like those other two do.

592
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,880
Yeah, that's financially, I think
that's it's very much a short term

593
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,920
gain for long term pain play by
the oilers. They they're in they're in

594
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,000
a tough spot. And if they
bridge him for two years, like I

595
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:57,320
expect, his contract is going to
come up the same time as Leon dry

596
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Sidle after two full seasons of quarterback
in that power play, So good luck

597
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,119
figuring out back cap mess at that
point. But you know what, if

598
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:06,760
you win a Stanley Cup between here
and there, you don't really care about

599
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,920
the cap mess. And in terms
of from a fantasy perspective, if you're

600
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,800
in a cap leagues, he's just
likely to be really good value. But

601
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,920
it's a good luck trading for him
in a keeper league. And if you're

602
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,800
going to draft him, you better
draft high because everyone knows he's taken over

603
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,519
the point position on the best power
play in the world. But Ts eck

604
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:27,920
Holme, you've already mentioned him.
He is a going to be a very

605
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,079
prominent guy. And he's the definition
of a guy who I think of his

606
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:35,119
better in real life than in fantasy. Victor and I both ranked him in

607
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,239
the sixties last year. He ended
up number seventy five, so we're on

608
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,800
point. But the thirty two points, one hundred four blocks, ninety one

609
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,000
hits, one hundred and thirty five
shots in seventy eight games across two teams

610
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,679
last year. His stat line is
unobtrusive for those just following the box scores.

611
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,440
The way to see what Mattias Eckholm's
impact is to go to Michael Blake

612
00:38:54,519 --> 00:39:01,840
McCurdy Hockey Viz on Twitter's replacements his
for Eckholme and look at what happens to

613
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,400
guys when they're with or without eck
Holme at five on five, and it's

614
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:15,199
like he absolutely pulls every single player
way way to the positive on both offense

615
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,119
and defense, and it's just crazy. It looks like if his why we

616
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,239
were elastic, I know, I'm
trying to describe a picture. If it

617
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,760
is why we were elastic for the
time he had in Edmonton last year,

618
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,519
you would expect the rubber band to
break because he's just absolutely pulling everybody to

619
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:37,400
the corner. So he has just
got a very strong positive impact on the

620
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:44,440
ice on teams scoring and holding off
scoring against. Again, unless he has

621
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,000
a dramatically different role in Edmonton than
he did in Nashville, I guess I

622
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,920
don't know if I would expect him
to get out of that typical low thirties

623
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:57,960
point pace and those decent but not
blowing you away bash numbers. What do

624
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:01,280
you think Jonathan is that going to
play a differ role here and maybe increase

625
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:07,480
his scoring in his box score statistics. I think I'm a little more bullish

626
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,599
on him than that picture you've described
there. I look at the splits.

627
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:15,480
Obviously, at fourteen points in twenty
one games after coming over to Edmonton,

628
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,559
he played about seventy percent of his
five on time with either McDavid or dry

629
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,280
Sidle or both. So that obviously
helps your five on five scoring numbers when

630
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,239
something like that happens. And Nashville, of course, is a team in

631
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,360
a difficult spot and has never been
an offensive spotlight team anyway. So when

632
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,440
I was trying to figure out exactly
what I expect from Ecam, because if

633
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,280
you just project what he did in
Edmonton, he's going to be a fifty

634
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,400
plus point guy, and I don't
I wondered if that was realistic. But

635
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,440
when I looked at his history,
I mean, his career best year was

636
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,440
twenty eighteen nineteen, where he had
forty four points, and the key thing

637
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,800
there was he didn't have a lot
of power play time. He had a

638
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,559
little bit of power play production on
there, but mostly it was five on

639
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,519
five and shorthanded production, and to
me, that's pretty realistic if he's a

640
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,840
forty forty five point guy for the
Oilers because of the players he's playing with,

641
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,159
and he's part of a more dynamic
five on five offense. If he's

642
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,519
playing with Bouchard, that helps.
If he's playing with CC that it hurts.

643
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:13,559
If he's playing with Philip Broberg on
his off side, we're not really

644
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,360
sure because we don't really know what
Philip Broberg is yet, but he's obviously

645
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,840
a very good player. As a
fantasy asset, I probably would pay him

646
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,000
in that forty to forty five point
range, and depending what secondary numbers your

647
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:29,360
league counsel like, if you're counting
blocks and shorthanded points, he's got a

648
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,639
little more value. All right,
Let's move on to the goalies, and

649
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,719
they had The Oilers had the eleventh
ranked expected goals against per sixty according to

650
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Evolving walk Wild Plubing Hockey in terms
of expected goals against pers sixty, but

651
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:49,719
conceded the eighteenth ranked actual goals and
so obviously well underperforming their expected number.

652
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,800
A lot of that certainly has to
do with Jack Campbell, and we'll talk

653
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,480
about him in a sect, but
I want to start with Stewart Skinner because

654
00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,960
he was pretty decent. He actually
had some pretty favorable numbers in terms of

655
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:06,119
goal save above expected and Delta Fenwick
in terms of when he was in there.

656
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,280
He was definitely helping the team a
little bit more. He's got three

657
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,840
years left to two point six million, so pretty decent cap hit. Not

658
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:19,280
massive starter money that's going to Jack
Campbell, but certainly seems like he's in

659
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,800
line for a little bit more of
the should be maybe a little bit more

660
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,719
of the opportunity, but obviously we
have Jack Jack Campbell who has the contract,

661
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,280
even though he has performed dismally,
so they're in a bit of a

662
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,639
situation here. You look at the
cap and it obviously suggested Campbell is going

663
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:37,079
to get more of the opportunity,
but it just really hasn't gone so far,

664
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,960
so I would imagine they stick with
Skinner. What do you have to

665
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:43,719
say about that, Jonathan? What
are the Oilers going to do in goal?

666
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,079
Because it's got to be these two, right, Yeah, I think

667
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,679
you've captured the picture pretty well there. With respect to Skinner had a nine

668
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,760
twenty seven save percentage at five on
five, which is a really good number.

669
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,519
Nine thirteen overall, which is a
solid number, especially in the year

670
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,840
they had. The one thing I
think could help Skinner a little bit would

671
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,719
be if the penalty kill improved.
The penalty kill in Edmonton was okay,

672
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,559
but it wasn't any better than that, and I think there's a little bit

673
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:12,719
of potential there for that to get
better, especially as guys like McCloud and

674
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,440
some of the younger pieces slide into
that role in the ropes a little bit

675
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,559
more. At the NHL level,
I don't know what the split in games

676
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:22,400
played is going to be. A
Goaltending is a hard position to predict at

677
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,480
the best of times. Obviously,
the Oilers believed in Campbell a heck of

678
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:29,840
a lot a year ago to give
him the contract that they did. I

679
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,960
don't think that belief went away with
a single season, so I'm sorry.

680
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,599
It's hard to talk about one without
talking about the other. To me,

681
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,920
i'd probably pay Skinner as a one
A to Campbell's one B in terms of

682
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,760
how many of the starts he's going
to get, maybe forty five to fifty,

683
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,880
and obviously performance is going to dictate
where that goes. He might be

684
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,159
a true number one goalie which we
don't see very often anymore. But he's

685
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:53,760
got a good HL record, he's
got a good long term record. He's

686
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,519
a prospect they've believed in all down
the line. If you go back to

687
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,920
his American League days, Jay Woodcroft, when he was in the playoffs,

688
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:05,639
his I believe it was Richard Bachman
got injured and he had a choice between

689
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,239
Skinner and some other young goaltenders,
and he went with Skinner, and Skinner

690
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,079
performed really well for him. I
think there's a comfort level between coach and

691
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:16,239
goalie there. So I think Skinner
projects like a good one a goalie like.

692
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,159
He doesn't seem like a franchise starter, but he seems like a solid

693
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:23,000
number one one a type and we
should expect to see him do that going

694
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,559
forward. I don't know if he'll
match his numbers from last year. He'll

695
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:28,920
probably dip a little at five on
five, up a little bit at four

696
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,960
on five, but yeah, he'll
be a solid fantasy goalie. He won't

697
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:37,920
be a top draft by any means, but at a decent bat. All

698
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:42,159
right, Jonathan, that's some great
stuff on these goalies. That's going to

699
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,519
be a situation to watch for sure. Thank you so much for bringing his

700
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,840
insights on the Oilers today. Why
don't you let people know how they can

701
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:53,320
keep up with all your work semi
semi retired as a hockey writer these days,

702
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,559
but anything I do right will be
on the website formerly known as Twitter.

703
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:00,719
I am at Jonathan Willis over there, pop onto ax and you can

704
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,559
keep up with the oilers and yeah, but not too many big feature articles

705
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,039
anymore. I still put out the
odd piece for the Athletic, but to

706
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:12,480
slow down a little bit on that
side. All right, thank you so

707
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,920
much, and yeah, everybody definitely
should check that out. Thanks for coming

708
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:23,559
on, Thanks for having me,
guys, It's always fun. Wilson.

709
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:35,480
That's good fired passed up. Oh
my goodness, Cat quick grab Now it's

710
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,559
your weekly goalie talk with Cats Silverman, Cat's Instincts. Time again to talk

711
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:46,679
with Cat Silverman in Gold mag for
Cat's instincts on the Edmonton Oiler goalies this

712
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:53,880
time. And this system is tricky. There isn't a whole lot I Cat.

713
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,840
I'm not going to remind the Edmonton
fan base that they could have had

714
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,559
Jesper Walstead and they're system that would
be cruel and mean to do, but

715
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:07,480
they were right there they could have
done it. They traded up and took

716
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:15,199
I forget now someone else, but
it wasn't whilst it and they don't have

717
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,360
the best goalies here. But the
one we decided to talk about is Olivier

718
00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:22,440
or A Drig and he was a
twenty eighteen second round pick, so he's

719
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,239
been around for a while now,
twenty three years old, six one hundred

720
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:31,280
and seventy four pound played in the
HL last season was not bad nine twelve

721
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,639
save percentage two seven seventy had an
even record at fourteen and fourteen for the

722
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:43,079
Condors. His hockey prospecting is really
interesting. It's incredibly flat. You don't

723
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,920
see these very often, but they're
just he's consistently in that mid to low

724
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:51,360
twenty percent chance of being an NHL
or. One of his best comps,

725
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,880
I would say is cal Peterson,
who had quite the experience at the HL

726
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,079
NHL level and it's listed as a
replacement level starter here. Kat, what

727
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:07,199
do your inestings tell you about Rodrick? The good news is that if Olivia

728
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,360
rodrig continues to play at the HL
level, he will get to see his

729
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:16,079
dad all the time because he is
the AH goaltending coach for the Edmonton Oilers.

730
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:19,920
It's always fun when we keep it
in the family like that. Yeah,

731
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,239
that one was. I was a
little surprised when the Oilers took him

732
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,960
because the year that they took him
was a goaltending powerhouse year. They took

733
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:34,559
him the same year that I believe
it was the shift strike in year,

734
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:38,280
was a Lucas Destall year, it
was the Oblonquist year. Justice in Noonan

735
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:44,280
got taken that year and with a
fairly high pick. They picked their goaltending

736
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,039
coach's son, who I had thought
looked fine but didn't look like maybe he

737
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,079
belonged as one of the top picks
that year. And he's done fine.

738
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:58,400
It is nice that they had obviously
plenty of scouting experience of him, because

739
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,440
one of their most important goaltending voices
on the team has obviously seen plenty of

740
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:07,239
this kids. He's got a good
technical foundation. He doesn't seem like he's

741
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,400
been slipping at all, which is
what I always worry about with goaltenders in

742
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,079
the Oilers system, where you see
them almost take a backslide statistically. We

743
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:20,400
saw that with Stewart Skinner until he
finally was allowed to make the jump.

744
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,320
Lauren Bursois did that when he was
with the Oilers. It's a very long

745
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,599
and depressing list, so I'm not
going to continue going down the rabbit hole

746
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:34,920
of goaltending prospects for the Edmonton Oilers, who struggled until they went elsewhere.

747
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:42,280
But yeah, that team needs more
consistent goaltending and I don't think that Rodrigue

748
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,000
looks ready for it, but I
don't know that they have a ton in

749
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:52,400
the way of other options. So
he might be an NHL goalie soon,

750
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:58,559
we'll see them. Not super optimistic
about it, yeah, definitely, And

751
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:04,639
the twenty eight draft was not the
Shisterkan draft he had. He was the

752
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,320
second goalie taken after Ola Flynnbaum of
the Rangers, who hasn't done much either,

753
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,599
and interesting names went after him.
A noon In at sixty four,

754
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:21,360
Lucas Dostal at eighty five that was
pretty good for the Ducks, and Joel

755
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:27,360
Hoefer at one oh seven for the
Blues. Then you had Prosbatov with Arizona,

756
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,159
a Kia Schmid at one thirty six, fifth round for the Devils.

757
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,880
That's looking pretty good, and then
a couple other sort of tweener guys that

758
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,039
were taken later. So Yeah,
definitely doesn't seem like he's going to be

759
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:43,519
the second pish schoolie out of this
out of this crop by any means,

760
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,199
maybe not even top five, So
curious choice. Indeed, thanks so much

761
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:53,119
for giving us your instincts on the
Edmonton Oiler goalie prospect system cap. We'll

762
00:49:53,199 --> 00:50:14,719
be back right after this, hinadjig. We're here to talk and Boilers they

763
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,039
have a few prospects, but not
a whole lot. This system is one

764
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,039
Victor. Victor ranks twenty seventh overall. Nonetheless, Victor, they do have

765
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,800
some guys here and it starts with
your no brainer. Who is it?

766
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:34,840
Yeah, my no brainer for the
Edmonton Oilers is Xavier Borgo, Edmonton's twenty

767
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,559
twenty one first round pick, twenty
second overall. He's important to remember.

768
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,599
I think it helps, at least
with some of these guys that he's really

769
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,800
old for his draft here. So
he is in October twenty second birthday,

770
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,280
so just a few weeks away from
being eligible for the previous draft. And

771
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,719
this was his big season for him
because he was in the queue doing pretty

772
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,719
well, went over a point per
game a couple of times. Several times

773
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,079
they for sure winn again and then
he was in the HL this year for

774
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:07,039
the Bakersfield Condors, and so that's
a big jump up for him. And

775
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,639
he had thirteen goals, twenty one
assists for thirty four points and sixty four

776
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,079
games, going just over that half
point per game the threshold, which is

777
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,719
a pretty important one to look at. And obviously that's a pretty decent first

778
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,280
step. We look for a little
bit more. And he's coming up on

779
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,719
the second year of his three year
entry level deal. We're obviously hoping that

780
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,800
he can make an impact with the
team soon, but it seems like he's

781
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,119
still a year or two away from
that from the Oilers anyways. But we

782
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,480
need to learn a little bit more
about what makes Xavier bard to go tick

783
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,239
and so for that we got to
go to our scouts and Jesse, what

784
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,000
are our FHL scouts have to say? Why? Yes, we do.

785
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,039
And this one is courtesy of our
FHL scout, Joshua. Here's what he

786
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:51,280
has to say. Being an undersized
winger, one of Burgo's strengths is his

787
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,639
skating. He's quick, but doesn't
just rely on speed. He use this

788
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,760
intelligence to find the best routes and
has the foot speed and edgework to get

789
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,079
there. Fantastic passer, being able
to find small holes and defensive structures and

790
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:07,480
exploit them with accurate passers, soft
hands, the skill to dangle the puck

791
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:13,000
all around to unravel defenders. Shooting
is not his strongest facet, but he

792
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,679
has a heavy wrister. He can
get it off quickly and fairly accurately,

793
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:20,239
but his IQ allows him to get
in the best position to make the most

794
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,639
of his shots. That IQ is
probably Burgo's best asset. He always seems

795
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:29,800
to be in the right place at
the right time offensively and defensively. Fantastic

796
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,320
vision in finding lanes and hitting his
teammates, and he anticipates to play in

797
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,119
bull zones and reacts appropriately. He's
a high energy guy on the fore check

798
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,000
rarely gives up on plays, allowing
him to surprise opponents by sneaking up behind

799
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,079
them and stripping them in the puck. He's not big, but he's not

800
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:50,599
afraid of playing physically good defender,
especially as a winger. His high motor

801
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,320
extends the defensive zone, and that
combines with his high hockey IQ to break

802
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,599
up plays and make smart breakouts.
He can use that speed to put pressure

803
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,800
on rush attackers break up or slow
down place. So the best asset,

804
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,000
as we said, is the IQ. It allows everything else to time bergo

805
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,119
confined soft areas and put himself in
the best area to make a hard risk

806
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,280
or open up lanes. Biggest concern
undersized. We talked about all the ways

807
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,920
that being undersize is stopping him from
doing things, but he could still struggle

808
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,320
against stronger competition when he goes up
to an NHL type level top tier.

809
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,360
The best outcome that Joshua sees here
complementary top line winger thirty fifty eighty.

810
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,519
That's a very nice place to get
yourself to if you're an Edmonton oiler.

811
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,440
With skilled linemates, he could provide
energy and a nice scoring touch, being

812
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,159
a pretty solid triple threat. With
finishers and players that can keep up with

813
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,159
his hockey sense and pace, he
can be part of a dominant line.

814
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:51,320
His fiftieth percent Tala's median outcome middle
six energy forward. Hard to see him

815
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,880
thriving in a bottom six roll probably
with that size and without linemates that can

816
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,280
keep up with him, but he
could be a penalty killer and an energy

817
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:05,960
guy style comp comparable peak Brandon Gallagher
with less grit and more skill or maybe

818
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,920
a poor man's calcannor something like that, maybe not so poor who knows.

819
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:14,920
NHL Rank King has some data to
provide us. The votes that we have

820
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:20,199
out there and the p NHL E
similarity scores. Top match for Xavier Bogaux

821
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,880
is Nazim Kadri In terms of an
NHL PNHL E equivalency score. He is

822
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:29,440
at a second line potential line as
of last year. He's declined a little

823
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,079
bit, as many do as they
advanced through the miners and get through the

824
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:37,400
funnel, and that's where he is. We've compared him in the Mason Black

825
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:43,119
patented NHL Rank King poll to Bobby
Brink, and the result of that vote

826
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,519
is Bobby Brink fifty eight to forty
two over Xavier Borgo Victor. Is that

827
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:54,800
how you see this one? Yeah, this one's interesting because you have such

828
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,960
a smaller guy with Brink and those
guys to and to have a little bit

829
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:05,800
harder time breaking in to the league. And that's always going to be the

830
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,159
issue with Brink. Although he's done
really well each step of the way.

831
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:14,880
He's outperformed his size issue, but
being five foot eight is always going to

832
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,079
be a big problem. For Bobby
Brink, and he's someone who excelled at

833
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:22,159
the University of Denver, leave is
there with for the national Championship team,

834
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:27,840
and he came into actually played ten
NHL games this year and was in Lehigh

835
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,679
Valley for the Phantoms. Looks like
he's actually doing pretty well consider especially considering

836
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:38,199
the really small stature. Having a
thirty eight p nhle is not super exciting,

837
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,920
but that's a big jump for him. They're all similar in their HL

838
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:49,039
time. I think that in general
I would probably leave Borgo lead Lean Borgo,

839
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,719
just because I think that there's a
little bit more of the potential offense

840
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,679
and fewer obstacles there for him to
overcome. But I think it could be

841
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,840
close between those to so I'm not
sure that it's so clear. I think

842
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,199
that this is one of those things
where Brink probably looks a little bit better

843
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:10,440
as a as someone who when he's
playing down in lower levels. I'm not

844
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:15,880
sure that's gonna necessarily translate so well
all to the NHL. So I'd be

845
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,239
a little skeptical about Brink. But
so I'm not sure that it's quite clear

846
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,400
there between those two. Yeah,
between Borgo and Brink, I think it

847
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:28,880
is close. That's what the polls
shows, and Brink has done a pretty

848
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:34,320
nice transition to the professional ranks after
being really good at the University of Denver.

849
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:37,199
The issue with him is that he's
just he's so small. He's five

850
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,519
foot eight. He's been five foot
eight basically this whole time, and he

851
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:43,920
hasn't really grown. He's a feisty
kid, and he has shown that he

852
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:50,440
can perform at each levels. He
made a really tough transition from USHL USNTDP

853
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:53,840
to Denver and then to the HL
and even played some NHL games this season

854
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,199
and didn't look too bad. So
you like that. I still would probably

855
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,519
take Poorgo just because that's he has
fewer obstacles to overcome. Yeah, we

856
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,920
keep busting Borgo here, but he's
four inches taller than Brink, so it's

857
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,320
hard to hold that against him.
But yeah, for sure, So we

858
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:19,400
will see how that comes out between
Borgo and Brink, And looking at the

859
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,440
hockey prospecting of Borgo versus Brink,
both of them look not great. They

860
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:28,159
both started out at near twenty or
twenty percent chance of being a star and

861
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:32,280
have trended down. Borgo one year
younger than Brink, and Brink actually in

862
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:37,719
his final NC double A season,
was able to raise his hockey prospecting star

863
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,519
potential trended down to five and then
he pumped it back up to six.

864
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:45,159
Was slightly better, I guess,
But both of these are actually pretty similar.

865
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,679
Borgo being a little bit younger and
potentially being able to translate that in

866
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,000
his final year maybe increase it a
little bit beyond what Brink did. I

867
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:55,559
guess that also is a little feather
in his cap. Another reason to take

868
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:59,760
him if you just look at like
his straight up comps. There are a

869
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,719
whole lot of relatively uninteresting guys for
Borgo. Probably hit the most app one

870
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,679
is Ryan Spooner, who, if
y'all remember him, was someone who would

871
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:13,559
get power playtime as a bottom sixer
and was like an average producer, someone

872
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:17,119
who was fringe interesting in fantasy,
but not someone who you needed to have

873
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,719
on your fantasy team. And I
think Bargo might end up being that guy.

874
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:24,320
Maybe he develops into more of a
power play specialist, maybe a middle

875
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,239
six guy. Depends he needs to
figure out his role moving forward. And

876
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,400
the Jay Fresh card pretty pessimistic just
four percent chance of being a star,

877
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:37,760
two percent chance of being an NHLer. The NHLer probability must much higher in

878
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,880
hockey prospecting up to fifty four.
But yeah, overall, a little bit

879
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,480
of a subdued no brainer. I
would say Jesse for sure. And I'm

880
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:52,920
not one to think that I'm smarter
than Byron Bader's model on this one,

881
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:57,440
Victor. But I will say this
guy went from what the queue to the

882
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:02,000
AHL at age nineteen. It's a
big transition for a guy versus Bobby Brink,

883
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,800
who's had three years to simmer in
the NCY and is a couple of

884
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,679
years older. I don't know the
first year you get into the HL I

885
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:13,840
just don't think you're going to see
a massive uptick in your ability to compete,

886
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,360
especially the physicality is part of it. But we'll see how it turns

887
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,880
out for him and whether that's something
he just needs to get through. Let's

888
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,639
move on, Victor. A guy
who's already come up once on this show

889
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:30,079
the need to know prospect. The
Wisconsin Badger needs no prospect, I believe

890
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,480
is who Yeah, he was a
badger for sure, right down in your

891
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,079
neck of the woods. That is
Dylan Holloway, Edmonton's twenty twenty first round

892
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:42,320
pick. Fourteenth overall, he's actually
a little bit older than Borgo for his

893
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,159
draft year he was. He's actually
a September twenty third birthday, so he's

894
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:51,280
only about a week away from being
eligible from the for the next draft,

895
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,199
So that is always something to keep
in mind. He's always been older than

896
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,199
everyone he's played against, and I
think sometimes I can really catch up to

897
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:01,320
you as you move up levels.
And he's someone who played NHL games this

898
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,559
past season. He played fifty one
of them, just three goals and six

899
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:12,199
assists. Twelve games with the HL
Bakersfield and he had seven goals and three

900
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:15,159
assists. He's coming up on the
last year of his entry level deal,

901
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,880
so that's going to be an important
one. Looks like he's slated for an

902
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,079
NHL role, but the question is
what is that. Seems like he's a

903
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:25,559
bottom six guy at this point.
His evolving hockey ramp him charts to show

904
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:31,559
he's pretty close to average in terms
of defensively but pretty below average offensively.

905
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,519
So he looks at this point more
like a bottom six guy than anything.

906
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:39,239
So that's important to keep in mind. And we need to learn a little

907
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:44,199
bit more about Dylan Holloway and to
do that. We're gonna hear from our

908
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:52,280
FHL scout Jesse and this report comes
courtesy of FHL Scout Brandon Skating. Holloway

909
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,199
is an elegant, speedy skater that
generates a lot of acceleration. Motor and

910
01:00:55,239 --> 01:01:00,519
efficient stride grants him the ability to
be both responsible position land on defense and

911
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:05,079
a multi tool threat without the puck
on zone entries and on an attack in

912
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:08,239
the ozone. After gathering some speed
and momentum with the puck, he can

913
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,679
slow his game down to a wide
and stable based anchored on his inner edges.

914
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,239
Passing and handling a soft touch and
ease When passing the puck. Seems

915
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,760
to be more concerned that the puck
is receivable and in just the right place,

916
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,480
as opposed to get in it there
with speed and force. One of

917
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:28,039
his trademarks is hauling the puck with
his wide stands and protecting it with his

918
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:31,280
body in a way that allows him
to dish the puck using his backhand.

919
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:36,800
He's comfortable carrying the puck through all
three zones. He demonstrates the ability to

920
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:42,360
execute deeks at top flight while maintaining
solid puck control. He also shows the

921
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,199
ability to pick up the pace when
moving the puck by utilis utilizing quick one

922
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:51,039
touch passes, so shooting his snapshot
comes off his blade in a hurry without

923
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,360
much telegraph motion. His aim can
be quite deadly accurate, and he seems

924
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,519
to hunt for hitting just inside the
post. He can unleash a punchy one

925
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:05,039
time or moves faster than one would
expect and iq. He persists as a

926
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:09,599
sturdy and dynamic net front presence that
is a threat to deflect shots or peel

927
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:14,280
off to amplify a cycle down low. He showed a lot of growth and

928
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,440
becoming more poised and confident as his
experience at the pro level accumulated, and

929
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:23,119
he often displays his calm while carrying
the puck and is quite strong on his

930
01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:28,719
feet in flight of foot for checking, he poses a menace and is a

931
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,960
threat if he can pressure and pursue
via skating alone and is quite comfortable throwing

932
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:37,559
his body around. Defense. Range
and mobility allow him to be a responsible

933
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:42,239
player in the D zone, quick
to pressure the puck at the points,

934
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:45,679
and has an active stick that can
disrupt the play. So the best asset

935
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:52,199
was the acceleration comfort at top speed. Serpentine stability at lower speeds, and

936
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,880
the concern is consistency in both play
driving and creating scoring chances for himself.

937
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,760
The top tier potential a top line
power forward winger in the seventy to eighty

938
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:07,199
point range with special teams near the
high end in terms of shots and hits

939
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:14,360
that would be nice. Fiftieth percentile
or median role. Middle six complimentary energy

940
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,960
guy in the forty to fifty point
range could be molded into a reliable,

941
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:22,840
shallow or shadow like defensive forward and
PK specialist if the offensive game doesn't click.

942
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:30,400
Stylistic comparison comparable a faster Alice Hemski
with the sturdiness and defensive mind of

943
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:35,039
Jordan's stall in a far better shot
than both shades of Chris Krider, says

944
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:40,000
our scout and the NHL ranking data
and poll in terms of NHL equivalency.

945
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:45,360
As much as Victor said, it
seems to be dropping as time goes on,

946
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:51,119
he now has a client down below
second line potential type areas, and

947
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:54,800
so that's not necessarily looking great for
him. We compared him to Peyton Krebs,

948
01:03:54,840 --> 01:04:00,039
who was picked three spots later in
one year earlier by they. I

949
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:04,119
guess and is now a member of
the Buffalo Sabers and Peyton. Krebs won

950
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:11,119
fairly handily in this poll, sixty
three to thirty seven percent in two hundred

951
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:16,039
and eight votes. Victor Krebs or
Holloway? Who you got? Yeah,

952
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:20,320
I'm gonna go with the people here
take Krebs. I think both of these

953
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:26,360
guys are probably going to turn out
to be more just middle to bottom sixers,

954
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:32,000
though they both look like nhlos.
Krebs, surprisingly because he was billed

955
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:35,920
as this really offensive guy, was
actually really good defensively for the Sabers.

956
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,039
Maybe that was the role that they
asked him to play. He didn't really

957
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:43,239
score too much, but they also
didn't really give him a ton of opportunity.

958
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:49,199
But Holloway is much more average defensively
with kind of poor offense. So

959
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:54,239
I think that Crabs can probably do
more, but a lot of it's just

960
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,719
going to dictate opportunity, and I
think that Krebs will get more just because

961
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,599
he's got a little bit more two
way guy. He has that scoring prowess

962
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,000
from his younger years, so I
think it's probably going to be Krebs,

963
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:09,719
though I think either of these guys
are probably going to get to the point

964
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:12,639
where they're hundred gamers and we're deciding
whether we need to keep them or not,

965
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,840
and the answer might be neither,
the answer might be just take someone

966
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,480
else instead. Looking out the hockey
prospecting for these two, they're pretty similar

967
01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:25,039
actually, and they both have gone
up and down, but finished the model

968
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:29,000
about ten percent chance of being a
star but very likely nhlors, which they

969
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:31,440
both look like they're going to be, so not too much difference. They're

970
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:40,480
looking at some of other Dylan Holloway
comps, most of them are uninteresting replacement

971
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:44,559
level average producers, though he does
have a couple of really good ones.

972
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:48,480
One that Zaku Koivu is someone who
just broke the model because he had basically

973
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:55,320
low equivalency across the board and became
a star. So I guess what that's

974
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,320
saying is there's always a chance,
but I think it's pretty unlikely. And

975
01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:01,360
the Jay Fresh card looks pessimistic to
two percent chance of being a star and

976
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,159
thirty three percent chance of being an
NHL or so. Dylan Holloway overall has

977
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:11,079
turned out to be not someone that
was super interesting in fantasy. After all,

978
01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:15,000
Jesse, I would say, there
you go, and Victor, you've

979
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:19,159
got your keep your eye in prospect. Who is it keep your eye on?

980
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:24,599
Is draft pick from this upcom this
past draft twenty twenty three, and

981
01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:30,159
that's bow Akey. That was Edmonton's
second round pick, fifty sixth overall.

982
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,480
He had eleven points in thirty six
games for forty seven points in sixty six

983
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,800
games for Barry of the OHL.
I should also mention he's a six ft

984
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:44,199
one hundred and seventy four pound right
handed d so that point total forty seven

985
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:50,079
in sixty six not too bad for
a defenseman, and looking at his tracking

986
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:56,840
data, he looks really excellent in
a few very important categories. Bow Akey

987
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,400
is expected goals for sixty is nearly
the bad in the entire OHL, which

988
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:04,320
or sorry the HL, which is
pretty fantastic for this data set. He

989
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,320
doesn't shoot a ton, but he
creates a lot of really dangerous chances.

990
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:14,840
He's also really excellent at some of
his transition defense, in particular entry controlled

991
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,360
entries against he's really good at.
He's not necessarily great at getting the puck

992
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:23,840
in or getting himself as his team
into the zone, but some other really

993
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:29,960
good things like advantages created expected primary
points involvement and game score are all really

994
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:34,039
excellent. So he's someone and I
know that Mitch talked about him. He's

995
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:40,079
someone who there probably is an ability
to take a big step forward here next

996
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:44,199
season. So it'll be he'll be
someone oo Ak will be someone really fun

997
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,719
to watch because there is a potential
for him to really take a step or

998
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:53,079
two and be one of the top
tier defensemen from this draft if all kind

999
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:55,519
of goes well. But let's hear
a little bit more about what we think

1000
01:07:55,559 --> 01:08:00,079
of him now, and that's from
our FHL scout Brandon Victor. First of

1001
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,320
all, I want to let you
know, don't tell my heart, my

1002
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:15,159
achy Boak heart. I just don't
think it would understand. And if anybody

1003
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:19,640
gets that reference, kudos to you. The first thing Brandon actually noted he

1004
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,960
he actually threw a little stat in
here to show that Brent Clark had a

1005
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:29,760
big influence on his season the time
before Brent Clark returned. Basically, Akey

1006
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,079
was twice as productive as he was
once Clark did and came and sucked up

1007
01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:39,079
some minutes. But anyway, as
to the actual player, Akey a powerful

1008
01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:44,520
and smooth skater whose hallmark is his
spring like agility and transition. Incredibly directionally

1009
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:50,159
versatile and allows great control and capability
with his edgework capacity to generate great force

1010
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:57,000
out of routine postures and seemingly off
one or two strides, exploding laterally off

1011
01:08:57,079 --> 01:09:02,119
his lead outside edge. His passing
and handling. His passes are confident and

1012
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:06,399
consistent, with very few errant passes. His style leans more to a Russian

1013
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:12,640
or football style, where he's opting
to launch lateral passes up to rink with

1014
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,279
that hit more open teammates in a
better strategic position. Rarely will you see

1015
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:20,640
him comp up behind the net to
set up long breakout pass, as he's

1016
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:26,359
usually involved in marching the puck up
the ice. Ake has soft, steady,

1017
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,760
quiet hands. When carrying the puck
up the ice, he is not

1018
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:34,279
looking to decomponents, but rather slow
him his way across. Shooting often puts

1019
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:39,000
some extra gusto in his shots,
even though it's taken from low danger areas

1020
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:42,680
as a pensiont for letting a shot
go when it is least expected, and

1021
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,159
will do so while not being set
himself so as to avoid detection that the

1022
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:51,319
shot is coming. His one timer
is heavy and fast and led to an

1023
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:57,439
overtime game winning goal. In Brandon's
observation IQ, one of the first things

1024
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,000
that was noticed is a pro esque
level of toys and control, dynamically active

1025
01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:05,920
in the play from an overwatch position
that allows him to jump into great effect

1026
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:10,479
keen I for when and where plays
are developing on both ends of the ice

1027
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:14,079
for four checking. Not on the
leading edge of textbook four checks, but

1028
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:19,079
he'll capitalize on his vision of play
development defense, Russian and zone disruptive,

1029
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:25,000
diverse display of end zone defense.
His first layer of coverage is this gap

1030
01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:29,159
in positional control, as he's solid
and protecting his ice and the ice around

1031
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:32,720
him by ushering the puck carrier to
the outside. Best asset then, was

1032
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:39,000
the skating, particularly the agility and
acceleration in the biggest concern not a massive

1033
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:43,680
concern, but he could serve to
improve his general stability and ability to stay

1034
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,000
on his feet around the defensive net. Maybe add twenty more pounds to his

1035
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:54,199
frame, and the top tier outcome
for him incredibly solid higher end number three

1036
01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:58,520
D second right handed D for a
team with a shot of being a number

1037
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,039
two defenseman with the right development and
chemistry. Forty plus points even strength minute

1038
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:08,000
muncher, PK specialist, second unit
of power play, upper eche line for

1039
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:12,119
blocks and mid to low ranks for
hit, So that'd be a pretty good

1040
01:11:12,119 --> 01:11:17,479
outcome. The middling outcome for him
fifty number four or five defender, heavy

1041
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:23,199
PK and D zone deployment, high
floor coach favorite twenty five points. Stylistic

1042
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:27,399
comparable shades of a guy who we've
talked about earlier. Today, I'm at

1043
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,159
ds Holm or Pronger, modern edge, dexterity and tools. On top of

1044
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:36,840
that, positioning, disruption and transition
game is reminiscent to Brady Shay or Shay

1045
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:44,560
Theodore. The rank king shows him
on a positive upward trajectory from his first

1046
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:49,159
year to last year. Kyle Capobianco
is the comparable. He's just crept over

1047
01:11:49,239 --> 01:11:55,840
the second line potential in terms of
this equivalency score. And we're putting up

1048
01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:00,359
again, putting him up against Matthew
Mania who was drafted this year in the

1049
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,279
fifth round, as opposed to Aky
who's taken to the second round this year.

1050
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,520
And the people liked bo Akey.
It should, I mean, he

1051
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:11,399
was drafted three rounds earlier in the
draft. That just happened two months ago.

1052
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,399
But bo Aky one sixty six to
thirty seven percent. Victor, Is

1053
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:21,199
that the way you see this one? Probably? Yeah. I think Mania

1054
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:27,920
is a really interesting player because his
game is really chaotic, as his name

1055
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:32,560
suggests, and he could really refine
that. And if you just take the

1056
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,560
best parts of his game and assume
the rest of it's going to even out,

1057
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:40,920
then he could be excellent and he
could over pay overtake Aky. Thinky

1058
01:12:41,039 --> 01:12:45,039
just has so many translatable skills already. You mentioned the skating and a lot

1059
01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:47,720
of the work that he does.
He just seems more likely to be an

1060
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:55,319
actual NHL player, So that's fantastic, and I think it's hard to It

1061
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:58,600
would be hard to take Mania,
who's just much more of a question mark

1062
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,960
in terms of will he actually play. But I think if you wanted to

1063
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:05,079
swing hard on an upside of who
could be a better fantasy asset, then

1064
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:09,720
I think it might be Mania.
It's just you're also pretty likely to just

1065
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,279
drop him in a couple of years
if he doesn't work out. It depends

1066
01:13:12,279 --> 01:13:15,600
on your appetite there. If you
want someone who's more likely to play games

1067
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,560
and has some modest upside than I
would definitely take a Key. But if

1068
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:23,279
you wanted to take a hard swing
certainly later. I think Mania is a

1069
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:26,600
good one to think about. If
you look at their hockey prospecting, they

1070
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,560
actually look exactly the same right now. They both have an eight percent chance

1071
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,920
of being a star, forty percent
chance of being an NHL or so that's

1072
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,600
actually pretty similar. I should mention
that Mania was also in the AHL for

1073
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:43,520
the Sudbury Wolves and he was a
similar production. That's why they're Their hockey

1074
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,880
prospecting is similar. In terms of
other comps for Aky, there are on

1075
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:50,319
a whole lot of really excellent ones
that there's some John Merrill looks like him

1076
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:54,119
a little bit. Most of the
guys he look like are just replacement level

1077
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:57,720
of producers. And then if you
look at the JA Fresh card for Aky,

1078
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,359
it's just three percent chance of being
a star, fifteen percent chance of

1079
01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:04,680
being an NHL or so. Pretty
pessimistic. But overall, so is this

1080
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,600
system not super exciting? And jes
see, there are some more guys we

1081
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:13,119
could talk about, but we're gonna
leave that for our top ten lists recap

1082
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,520
that I do on Patreon. So
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1083
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,840
and if you're interested in doing any
scouting with us. You can shoot

1084
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:23,800
me a DM on Twitter, discord, or email us. Very good.

1085
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:36,960
Let's come right back and close out
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p TWOW Fantasy Football. We'd like
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who's been helping out a ton behind
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1106
01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:10,920
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about some baseball pitching prospects to stash. Next week, I think we'll be

1112
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talking a little bit more about fantasy
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1113
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