WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:21.640 Second hour of the program. Glad you're with us on this Tuesday morning. 2 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:25.079 Max Bulman of the Athletic will join us at eight thirty five. We'll talk 3 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:30.839 to red Wings and perhaps the disappointment people have with free agencies. Look, 4 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:35.079 it just began, all right, but there are certain things teams need to 5 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:39.600 address. We don't have to wait till the off season every time, or 6 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:45.159 I should see I shouldn't say the off season, but the non free agent 7 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:49.560 part of a season to judge whether or not a team has addressed its needs. 8 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:53.399 Okay, some point Tigers in the off season, we didn't feel like 9 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:56.039 they addressed their needs. I thought it was still going to be good enough. 10 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:59.719 I really did, because I expected certain things from certain players that I 11 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:04.560 haven't received. Nor have you received that type of production. You expected progression 12 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:10.760 for particularly Riley Green, which we've seen some in Torkalsen. I think that's 13 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:17.879 the biggest source of disappointment, if you will with the Tigers, I think 14 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:19.879 no, but part of it, part of it. First of all, 15 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:25.560 Riley Green's a player, Okay, there's no doubt about that. I mean, 16 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.120 I don't know if you if you watch the Tigers, you watch Riley 17 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:32.920 Green he's legit. Is he going to be an All Star? I don't 18 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:37.439 know, okay, but he's an everyday guy and he's a very I think 19 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:42.840 he's a really good player. But you know, the outfields are crowded for 20 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.359 All Stars. You'd love to see him make that leap. Maybe it comes 21 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:49.400 next year. Okay, we need to keep everything in perspective. He's never 22 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:55.560 played one hundred games in his career because he's still a young player. Yes, 23 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.680 I expected Torklsen, not necessarily to exceed thirty one and ninety four, 24 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:06.519 but to get close to it. Thirty home runs, Yes, is that 25 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:08.960 asking a lot? Not necessarily, but I think, you know, in 26 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:12.479 driving him runs and so on and so forth, I expected, I don't. 27 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.479 I never expected him to hit for a high average. I expected a 28 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:20.639 high slug. I expected home runs, and I expected RBIs and I think 29 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.400 that's a fair expectation. He has not done that. He has failed in 30 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:30.360 that regard, and that's been disappointing. I expected in the off season for 31 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:38.520 this team to address its flipping meeds and it didn't do it. We said 32 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:43.719 this yesterday. O cams bat in two twenty six. Orshelle has got an 33 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:50.080 OBP of under three hundred. My aid has got an era that is unacceptable. 34 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:54.599 Miller has an ERA of over six. All those things, Okay, 35 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:58.759 I'm not going to rehash yesterday, but I'm not going to go deep into 36 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:02.719 the woods on that stuff. But that's those part of it. So yeah, 37 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:08.719 I mean there's certain players I expected more of. Some guys. You 38 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:12.159 know who they are. Okay, you know who Carson Kelly is. You 39 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:20.960 know who Jake Rogers is. Was there a deflation for me with Javier Bias. 40 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:30.280 Absolutely. I didn't expect him to have a Francisco Lindoor Cleveland Indians type 41 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:35.360 season, but I expected more than this, better than one eighty four. 42 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:42.879 I think that's fair to say. And don't kid yourself. He's been quote 43 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:47.759 end quote injured for a while now. There's a reason for that. They've 44 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:55.280 been working on things with him. So yes, it's all part of it. 45 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:06.120 What the biggest reason is for this team's inability to gain some consistency all 46 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:11.840 of that. We can blame players all we want, and they deserve it 47 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.600 because they're the ones on the field of play, but they have not been 48 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:21.279 put in a situation to succeed because or we have not seen a team that's 49 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:28.319 been put in a position to succeed because of the failures of its front office. 50 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.839 You can text us it's sports rated to twenty one thousand. Let's get 51 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:38.839 to some texts. Yeah, that's a decent segue into one that we got 52 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.639 this morning. That just kind of lays it out there. It just says, 53 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.839 the Tigers current record of thirty eight and forty six projects to a season 54 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:48.279 ending seventy three and eighty nine, five fewer wins than last year. And 55 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:53.920 shep yesterday you talked at length about expectations and why that can bite you in 56 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.879 the butt so hard. We were talking during one of the breaks. The 57 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.160 Tigers over under preseason win total was eighty and a half. They might not 58 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:08.399 get to seventy five. That's a good point by the Texter, so you 59 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:14.720 play it out the rest of the year. Seventy three wins, Oh my 60 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:19.920 goodness. You know who that is from a year ago anyway. That's the 61 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:28.000 Los Angeles Angels, and that was a team that was one of the biggest 62 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:32.079 disappointments. You know, you had Trout, you had Otani. That's horrid. 63 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.959 Seventy three wins. I didn't I guess I never did that type of 64 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:45.920 math thinking back two years ago, twenty twenty two, how many how many 65 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:57.000 wins do they have? Sixty six? I believe sixty six, another year 66 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.079 under five hundred, and here's where we're going to get in the off season. 67 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:04.560 You can hear it, can't you. You know, we're building, 68 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:12.959 we're growing our farm system. Our young guys are getting valuable experience, they're 69 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:17.040 getting better. Just grab the shovel, sticking in the dirt, throw it 70 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.759 over your shoulder, same stuff, over and over over again. And to 71 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:25.399 the Texters point Chep, I mean, it's not like this is It's not 72 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:29.680 like they're just not only progressing, they're moving backwards. They're on pace to 73 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:34.199 win five fewer games than last season. That's a step backwards. Spencer Torkelsen 74 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:39.279 being sent down before the fourth of July is a step backwards. Javier Bajias 75 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:44.399 hitting one eighty four is a step backwards. I'm okay with a guy being 76 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.839 sent down, especially a young player. We know all the all the guys 77 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:51.399 that's happened to. Okay, it happened to Max Scherzer for crying out loud. 78 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:55.399 Okay, it's happened to Alec Manoah, who is an All Star. 79 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:03.839 It's happened to a lot of players who have been who have struggled to make 80 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:12.000 the adjustment to reach the next level. All right, And there was somebody 81 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.279 recently that I saw was sent down to the miners, and it was a 82 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:23.240 little bit of a surprise because of what they've accomplished. It happens in Atlanta 83 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:28.120 quite a bit. Okay, we've seen it. People remember Jordan Walker, 84 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:31.879 a young player with the Cardinals who was lights out when he first got up, 85 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:33.920 and then he was sent down, and then the next year he didn't 86 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:39.319 even make the team out of spring training. So it's bound to happen. 87 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:44.040 I don't have an issue with that as much as a how long it's been 88 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:50.920 for him down there, and B the fact that you're getting virtually no production 89 00:07:53.639 --> 00:08:01.040 from everybody else on this team. Now. I know people sometimes feel like 90 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:09.160 I dive too much into the power numbers. Okay, Jef, you talk 91 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:15.120 too much about home runs, Listen. I think it's real. I think 92 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:20.920 it's really important to have guys in your lineup who can force pitchers to pitch 93 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.680 a certain way or pitch around you. And this might not be a fair 94 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.879 comparison, but I want you to think of this. The Detroit Tigers as 95 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:37.879 a team have seventy six home runs seventy six that is among the worst in 96 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:46.600 baseball. That ranks twenty fifth. The Baltimore Orioles alone hit sixty in the 97 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:58.080 month of June, sixty one month. The Orioles, one of the younger 98 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:03.080 teams in baseball, hit sixty homers, just sixteen fewer than you have all 99 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:11.120 season. 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Eighteen after 133 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.519 the hour, Welcome back on a Tuesday, Max Boltman of the Athletic will 134 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.480 join us at eight thirty five, excited to talk about the progress. If 135 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:26.639 you think there is progress for the Detroit Red Wings. With the first day 136 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.039 of free agency now in the rearview mirror and what they did and what you 137 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.759 liked or didn't like about it. In the meantime, we welcome the phone 138 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.360 calls on the Meyer Hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. 139 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.080 We also welcome the texts Sports Radio to twenty one thousand, gets you 140 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:50.519 in and into the conversation. We're going to get to that, for sure, 141 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.639 we'll get to our techs. But I was thinking about this yesterday about 142 00:12:54.679 --> 00:13:03.399 some athletes who are now retired and where they last played. And the reason 143 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:09.039 I brought this up is because of Klay Thompson. Not that he's being retired. 144 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.320 He just signed a three year contract with the Dallas Mavericks. He goes 145 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:20.879 from Golden State, where his number will be retired, to Dallas. Not 146 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.519 that it's an odd situation, not that it's weird to see him play in 147 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.600 Dallas, but it is a little strange. It'll take some getting used to 148 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:35.559 to see him play for a different team. So I wondered, I thought 149 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:43.440 to myself, who are some guys or ladies who finish up with a team 150 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:50.799 you didn't think or can't remember, or might surprise you to find out this 151 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.440 is indeed where they did play their final game. So let me get to 152 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.799 some texts because there are some associated with this, Trent. Let's bang out 153 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.240 the rest of these texts and then we'll dive into this topic. Yeah, 154 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.879 we've got someone trying to offer a couple examples. They say, Aaron Rodgers 155 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.080 with the Jets. We'll see how that hands out. Lance Paris with the 156 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.799 Phillies, although we checked and it was actually the Pirates and Blue Jays who 157 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.279 Paris finished with. Michael Jordan with the Phillies. He signed with the Phillies 158 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:22.480 right after the Tigers. Okay, in nineteen eighty seven, I believe was 159 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.519 his first year with the Phillies because the Tigers won the Division and went to 160 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:28.639 the World Series in nineteen eighty seven. And then wasn't Lance Parrish behind the 161 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.879 dish? So he went to the Phillies. Then he went to the Angels. 162 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.399 They were then known as the California Angels. Then, believe it or 163 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:43.919 not, Seattle, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Toronto is how he ended his Major 164 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:48.919 League nineteen year career. Interesting anyway, go ahead, Michael Jordan with the 165 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.840 Wizards. That's probably one of the most famous ones. M HM when people 166 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.320 talk about athletes winding up in places you never thought you'd see them. But 167 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.679 shep, I want to draw a quick comparison to a Detroit athlete. I 168 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:05.559 think Klay Thompson in Dallas would be similar to Joe Dumar's finishing his career somewhere 169 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.200 else, because you know, it's one of your greats and your franchise histories, 170 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.440 won championships there, and then in the twilight of his career, he 171 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.480 just kind of it doesn't really look right, you know what I mean? 172 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.639 Yeah, no, it makes sense. I'm going to give you a few 173 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:31.720 that I've forgotten and I think are some of the most unique and odd ones 174 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:35.080 ever. Okay, and then maybe you've got a couple for me. So 175 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:41.279 the Jordan one's a good one, although that's one I knew because I remember 176 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.120 going to the Palace and watching him play there as a member of the Washington 177 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:50.720 Wizards. But let me give you a couple here a chem Elijah one Raptors 178 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:58.320 Huh Toronto, Toronto, Yeah, twelve time all start with Houston and ended 179 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:03.759 his career in Toronto, a team that finished just above five hundred, and 180 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.720 he only averaged seven points and six boards. So that's one of them. 181 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:15.639 Another one that I had forgotten was frank O Harris, who was a member 182 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:21.399 of the four Super Bowl champions Steelers teams draft out out of Penn State, 183 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.399 was like three hundred and sixty three yards, shy of passing Jim Brown's all 184 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:33.240 time rushing record and held out for more money. The Steelers release him and 185 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:41.480 he goes to Seattle, which I had completely forgotten. And then one more, 186 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:48.440 and it's Emmitt Smith. Emmitt Smith known as the old time leading rusher 187 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:53.120 in NFL history, thirteen years with the Cowboys, which is almost unheard of 188 00:16:53.159 --> 00:17:00.360 as a as a running back. He finished his career in Arizona, and 189 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:06.359 I had forgotten that one, and actually had a decent year in two thousand 190 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:08.880 and four before hanging it up where he rushed for almost a thousand yards and 191 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:14.400 nine scores. So those are just a couple that come to mind. I 192 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.720 could bore you with one more, but not many people know who this guy 193 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:25.599 is. You should if you know baseball, but Harming Killebrew, who was 194 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:32.960 made famous with the Minnesota Twins and the Washington Senators Senators before them became the 195 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:36.440 Twins. A guy who had five hundred and fifty nine homers in his career, 196 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:45.039 finished his career in Kansas City. So those are the ones that surprised 197 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.599 me most. I don't want to steal all the thunder because I'm sure there's 198 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:53.480 people out there who have other suggestions, but those are a few that come 199 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:59.079 to mind for me any more. For you, Trent Joe Montana, that's 200 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:02.160 one that I thought of. I obviously wasn't around to watch that, but 201 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:04.440 that one season with the Chiefs, is that correct? I think it was 202 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:10.519 two two, And I'll never forget. This is way back in the day. 203 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:17.839 I actually taped it. I taped Montana against Elway, Chiefs against Broncos 204 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:22.839 on Monday Night football, and it was spectacular. You know how there's certain 205 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.200 things where you go, oh, man, I can't wait for this to 206 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.720 happen, and then it lets you down. Well, when I was a 207 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:36.480 kid, I couldn't wait for Leonard and Hearns never let me down. Well, 208 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:44.039 watching Montana play against Elway on Monday night football in Kansas City, Chiefs 209 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.440 and Broncos did not let me down. It was phenomenal. Now, in 210 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:53.559 case people were wondering, Steve Young took over the Niners, I believe it 211 00:18:53.599 --> 00:19:03.079 was ninety one and then Montana knew the writing was on the Paverbia Wall left 212 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:10.160 in ninety three to play for Kansas City for a first round pick. Young 213 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:18.279 state On went to a Super Bowl, was MVP Montana to Kansas City to 214 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:25.920 the AFC Championship Game, but lost to Buffalo. I think he was Buffalo, 215 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.440 but I think he spent two years there. I think it was. 216 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.720 I could be wrong. I'll have to double check that. Anybody else for 217 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.480 you, Well, we got a textter that says Alan Iverson and Alan Iverson 218 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.400 technically finished his career with the Sixers. He did come back for one more 219 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.480 season, nine to ten. But at your points, well taken. I 220 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.000 mean him in a Grizzlies uniform, in a Piston's uniform. As we know, 221 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.920 it didn't look right. And I also think shep there's a couple examples 222 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.839 of this that we might be see happening in real time, like Chris Paul 223 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.599 signing with the Spurs the other day. Yeah, that was kind of a 224 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.720 one off. And I mean, just to circle back on what our Texters 225 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:04.240 said, Aaron Rodgers with the Jets, if they don't break through and do 226 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.640 anything, I mean, he's forty years old. That might be one in 227 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:14.440 twenty years we look back on. Yeah, those are good ones. The 228 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.119 Allen Iverson one. I remember him going back to Philly. It's kind of 229 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.599 like I think Ken Griffy Junior, who you know, went to Chicago or 230 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.440 went to I should say Cincinnati, went to Chicago, but he ended up 231 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.920 signing with Seattle at the very end because that's where he started, right, 232 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:36.400 So that's one. What about Prince Fielder with the Rangers, given how abruptly 233 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:38.759 that ended with his injuries. Yeah, that's a really good one. That's 234 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.119 a really good one. I had forgotten that. The way, by the 235 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:48.880 way, Montana was two years in Kansas City. Okay, Johnny Unidis again, 236 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:55.079 you're way too young. San Diego Chargers, right, he was with 237 00:20:55.119 --> 00:21:00.119 the Colt for seventeen years and then they trade him to San Diego. Okay. 238 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.880 And then of course Joe Namath this is an easy one. But he 239 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:10.480 finished his career with the Rams, no knees left whatsoever. So those are 240 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:12.480 some really good ones. Those are iconic. Guy Willie May's obviously with the 241 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:18.160 Mets. Those are some iconic ones. Phone number on the Meyer hotline is 242 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.200 eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. 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We're glad We're on in our affiliates in Cadillac WKAD The 275 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:19.119 Ticket ninety three point seven FM, in Grand Rapids on WMAX ninety six point 276 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:23.640 ONEFM, The Game in Grayling and Gaylord WGRY one oh one point one FM, 277 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:29.440 up North Sports Radio Ron and Patowski and Charlevoid. The Ticket Northern Michigan 278 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:33.559 brings us on WMBN one oh four point seven FM, Midland Sagan on Bay 279 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:38.400 City You've got it locked in on the MIT WLUN one hundred point nine FM, 280 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:42.440 and in Traverse City WKAD ninety three point seven FM. The Ticket. 281 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.480 I'm Matt Shepherd. Trent Bellly is our producer. Give us a call on 282 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:49.279 the Meyer Hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three, you 283 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.720 can text the program sports Radio to twenty one thousand. Don't forget about our 284 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.759 poll question today. We ask you it's regarding free agency. Who's had the 285 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.640 better free agent signing period? Has it been the Red Wings, the Pistons 286 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:04.160 or neither. You can vote as often as you like. Shortly we will 287 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:08.440 remind you of yesterday's poll question and give you the results as well, since 288 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.839 we have a poll question for you every single day. Max Boltman of The 289 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:22.079 Athletic very opinionated piece in The Athletic yesterday regarding what the Wings have done or 290 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.119 maybe more importantly, what they haven't done to address their needs. So we'll 291 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:30.680 get to that coming up. I know we've got some more techs. Trent 292 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:36.279 fire Away. This goes back to yesterday's discussion about Kid Cunningham with the extension. 293 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:38.400 He says, I'll say this about Kaid, congratulations on the extension, 294 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:41.759 but he'll get no pass from me if they only win fourteen games next year 295 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.039 and he decides to sit the last three weeks of the season for a so 296 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:52.279 called injury. Good one, really good one. I think that frustration is 297 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:56.359 well founded. Yeah, I think it's absolutely the only thing I would caution 298 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:03.799 you is that it may not be Caid Cunningham making that decision, right, 299 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:11.079 Okay, So I don't want to blame the player when the organization is telling 300 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:18.160 him to sit. You follow Yeah, okay, so I felt the same 301 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:22.279 way. I talked about that at the end of the season. My frustration 302 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.799 was that I feel like, look, look, if you're going to tell 303 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:32.599 me if Caid Cunningham is your best player, and I think I can deduct 304 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:36.519 that for myself, and it's true, but you've got an eighty two game 305 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:42.640 slate and he's playing sixty two games. You want to rest him at the 306 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:45.440 beginning of the year every once in a while, Okay, I get it. 307 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:52.400 I think I hate the load management bs that we've accepted. We've come 308 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:57.119 to acknowledge when it first happened in the NBA, and I think Popovich did 309 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:02.359 it when San Antonio because he's the smartest guy in every room he walks into. 310 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.480 But I do believe that when it first happened, people were pissed. 311 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:14.960 I'm spending money. I want to see Duncan and Parker and Jenobili, and 312 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:21.799 you're going to rest these guys what I pay eighty dollars for then more teams 313 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:26.720 started to do it, and rather than fight it, the league embraced it. 314 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.680 And now they've gone back and they've gotten a little bit more strict with 315 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:36.079 it. But that's only because you, the fan were tired of it. 316 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.400 You thought it was wrong, you thought it was bull crap. And I'll 317 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.839 tell you this, it's about all these sports, all right. I've traveled 318 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.880 with all of them, I've called them all, I've been around them all. 319 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.200 It's not easy. I understand that. No one's cleaning it is. 320 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:03.599 Stop with the whole back to back stuff. Baseball plays one hundred and sixty 321 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:08.319 two games, twice as many as basketball, twice as many as hockey. 322 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:14.960 They'll have stretches where you have nineteen games in a row. And I know 323 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.640 it's a different physicality. I know that, but you're still getting up, 324 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:26.240 getting ready mentally and physically preparing. And I would argue mentally, baseball is 325 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:32.880 much more challenging physically. Basketball and hockey are more demanding. You're not playing 326 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:38.519 nineteen games in a row. You're playing back to back twenty times a year. 327 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:44.480 Okay, And again I'm not belittling it, not saying it's easy. 328 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:51.920 I know it's difficult, but the whole load management is crap. I used 329 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.240 to understand it way back in the day. If you're telling me this, 330 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:59.319 we're gonna have load management for el Jim Baylor and John Halichek, I get 331 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:07.160 it. These guys are on private planes that are incredibly comfortable, everything you 332 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:12.799 could possibly want. Here's what happens. You play the game, you meet 333 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:17.920 the media, you take a shower. It's not like you're packing your bag. 334 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.119 Okay, somebody's there to pack up all the stuff that you need and 335 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.599 load it onto a truck that then gets put onto a plane, a private 336 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.759 plane. You jump on a bus, you get on the plane. You 337 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.799 can either sleep, you can do whatever. You show up the next day. 338 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.279 Sometimes it's really early in the morning. I get it. You're staying 339 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.240 at a five star hotel. You go to sleep the next day. Oftentimes, 340 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.279 if it's a back to back, that practice that morning shoot around can 341 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:49.519 be optional, but just to get the blood flowing a little bit. You're 342 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.599 back, you're you're grabbing lunch, you're resting up, and you're going to 343 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:59.880 play and then you get the next day off, usually on a back to 344 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:07.559 back again challenging, but stop with the whole Oh sorry, we got to 345 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:12.240 rest him, so he's not playing at all today. Sixty two games for 346 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:18.440 Kate Cunningham, who's a young man by the way, he's twenty two years 347 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.720 old. Well, you have to you know, I understand he's going to 348 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.440 learn how to take care of his body. These are different things that we 349 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.960 oftentimes overlook taking care of your body, how to rest, when to get 350 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.279 your replenishments, all that stuff. Okay, you're going to learn on that, 351 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:40.640 but stop with the load management. You got to have twenty not that 352 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:44.319 he had twenty nights off from load management because he was legitimately hurt at some 353 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.960 point, but at the end of the year he could have played. Yeah, 354 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.319 organization chose not to. Now was that to try and get a better 355 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.359 percentage of pingpong balls to get the first overall pick. I don't know. 356 00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.799 I'm not going to sit there and tell you that it is when I'm not 357 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.880 convinced of it. Well, for the record, if that was the case, 358 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:06.960 didn't work out for you, you got number five right. Doesn't mean 359 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.160 you shouldn't ever do it again, but it doesn't mean it should be the 360 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:14.799 reason that you're going to do it in the first place. But I just 361 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.160 get tired of the whole load of management stuff. It kind of drives me 362 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.160 crazy. But I think the texter is dead on, man. I mean, 363 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.559 you want to play, okay, you want to be the guy, 364 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:32.720 then act like the guy. And I could sit here and try to talk 365 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.319 to you about being all tough and all that other stuff, and hey, 366 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.440 you know what, this is what real guys do. They play through injuries. 367 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:45.680 I'm not telling you to jeopardize your career. I'm just saying you have 368 00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:51.440 got there. There comes a point in time where a young guy wants to 369 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.319 be the guy, wants to be the leader of his team. You want 370 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.720 to be the leader of your team. Here's what you say to the management. 371 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:02.079 I'm playing. I'm not dressing in street clothes. I'm not wearing my 372 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:08.799 favorite sweatshirt here today on the bench. I am playing today. And that's 373 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.920 all there is to it. Chef, We've got a texter who completely agrees 374 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.039 with you. They say leaders don't sit. Whoever it is that tells them 375 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:21.960 to right. Let me just get you used this example earlier, so this 376 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:29.079 is the reason I'm going to bring it up. Joe Dumars Joe Dumars eighty 377 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:37.000 two seventy nine, eighty two, sixty nine, injured seventy five, eighty 378 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:43.000 eighty two, seventy seven. He's playing every day. He was twenty two. 379 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.920 Kate Cunningham's now twenty two. Joe Dumars played eighty two games. That's 380 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:53.039 his rookie year. Okay, I'm not sure. I don't remember all his 381 00:32:53.119 --> 00:33:00.559 career, but he's thirty three playing seventy nine games. We got guys in 382 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:04.400 this league, and I'm trying to take a shot at Cad cunnyam because I 383 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.319 like him, I do, But we got guys in this league where we're 384 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:14.400 sitting here getting them a free pass, and they're playing two thirds of the 385 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:22.039 season. How are you supposed to learn what it takes to get through a 386 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.799 grueling season and then the playoffs. By the way, if you're not going 387 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.359 to play during the regular season. Kate Cunnam sixty four games is rookie year, 388 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:37.039 twelve games obviously injured out for the year sixty two. When you reach 389 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:43.400 the postseason, think of how many wins you need to reach the mountaintop. 390 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:49.759 That's the goal, right, There's different goals for athletes. First, what 391 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.319 do you want? You want to get a scholarship to a Division One program. 392 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.240 Then you want to be a starter or maybe as a freshman, I 393 00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.000 want to play. Of course it's different now, it's more like I demand 394 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.799 to play. I want to play. Okay, Then I want to be 395 00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:05.559 a starter. Then I want to be an All Conference selection. I want 396 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:07.960 to be an All American. I want to be a first round draft pick. 397 00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:10.440 I want to make an NBA camp. I want to make an NBA 398 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.599 team. I want to be a player on that NBA team. I want 399 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.159 to be a starter on that NBA team. I want to be an All 400 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:21.639 Star on that NBA team. I want to lead that team to a championship. 401 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:27.079 Different goals, all of them, with the bar being Risen cool. 402 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.920 Love it. How are you supposed to get to the championship if you're playing 403 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:39.719 sixty games a year? Learn what it takes to be successful. One of 404 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:46.639 the best stories ever Wayne Gretzky Kevin Lowe. Back in the late seventies early 405 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:52.239 eighties, they lose to the New York Islanders seven games. They're walking out 406 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:54.760 of the arena, thinking they're going to hear nothing but great celebration, and 407 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.239 they walk by the Islanders locker room and they see them all with their heads 408 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:05.199 down, towels are on their neck, and they are just exhausted. This 409 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.800 according to Gretzky, and he says, we looked at each other and said, 410 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:15.559 this is what it takes everything you've got. That's why a lot of 411 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.360 people feel like in order for you to win, you need to lose first. 412 00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.920 I'm not buying into that. I've never bought into that, but that's 413 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:29.199 what many people believe. How are the younger players for the Pistons or any 414 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:37.159 team supposed to learn what it takes to be successful ultimately reach the ultimate goal 415 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:43.320 of a championship If you're not finding a way to play through exhaustion and pain 416 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:50.400 and struggles on that front, maybe this could be a pull question down the 417 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.440 road as we get closer to Piston season. But I want to know. 418 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:57.159 I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. How many games do you 419 00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.000 want to see k play to the point where you'll you'll be like, oh, 420 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.039 right, that was a successful season, that was a step in the 421 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:06.719 right direction. Seventy seventy two. Yeah, more than that for me, 422 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:13.960 More than that. Career high is sixty two games. Correct, career high 423 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.880 is sixty four games his rookie year. Okay, it's played sixty two this 424 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:24.000 past season, seventy seven would probably be the minimum for me. Okay, 425 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.280 that's just me, Okay, I mean, I'm not saying I'm right, 426 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.559 That's just what I would like to see. Who do you consider? This 427 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:37.599 goes a little bit deeper, and perhaps too deep, But who do you 428 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:45.079 consider to be a tough son of a gun who you want to see play 429 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.880 and is willing to play on a regular basis? Who's that guy? Who 430 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.960 is You're not getting him out of that lineup? Now, I've been a 431 00:36:54.079 --> 00:37:00.280 big I think Jason Tatum is slightly underrated. I like Jaylen. Okay, 432 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:09.159 I don't know their complete history from a an injury standpoint, right, they 433 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:14.360 each played seventy games or more. Again, may have been injured, so 434 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:19.280 I'm just using them as example. They may have been injured at some point 435 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:25.039 so they weren't gonna play. But if you're gonna be successful, if you 436 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.760 feel like your team, I don't care if they're they're ready to win or 437 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:36.119 not. Your team has got to follow the lead of its best player. 438 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.559 Could you is Detroit going to turn it around in a year and be the 439 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:46.079 Oklahoma City Thunder? Hell No, But here's what I know, Oklahoma City 440 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:52.840 doesn't win what fifty seven games this year unless Shay Gilgess Alexander is ready to 441 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:58.960 play on a regular basis, and he played seventy five games. I think 442 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.360 seventy is kind of that mark the Mendoza line, if you will. I 443 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.800 mean, Lebron James just played seventy one games last season, that's his most 444 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.360 in a Lakers uniform. And he's almost forty. Yeah, yeah, thirty 445 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:15.079 nine, right, chat Holmgrim's eighty he played eighty two. He's a rookie. 446 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.320 What's wrong with that? Yeah, We've got Michal Bridges who's never missed 447 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.440 the game in his career, just traded to the Knicks. There you go, 448 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:24.960 Well, there's your iron man. Yeah. So I think, guy 449 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.800 you love, I think seventy is a very reasonable ask. That's my goal 450 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.679 for Kate. If you wanted a bit higher, I understand twelve games off. 451 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:42.440 You're telling me you're okay with your best player missing twelve games. That's 452 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.800 a lot of games. How about this. It's not necessarily that I'm okay 453 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:47.079 with it, but I think that's what we're gonna get. I think they're 454 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:52.360 gonna load manage them twelve games. Okay. I just think that's the arrow 455 00:38:52.400 --> 00:39:00.320 we're in. That's what we're gonna get to your point. Jalen Brunson played 456 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:07.880 seventy seven for New York, which was my number. I think not you, 457 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:17.719 but I think people in general we've accepted, willing to accept almost as 458 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:23.000 a compromise. Here you go, this is what I want. Can you 459 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:28.440 just give me this place where for me it's like you know what, and 460 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:35.320 take the money out of it. But this is your job. It was 461 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.519 Larry Bird's job too, eighty two, eighty two, seventy seven, seventy 462 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:45.679 nine, seventy seven, seventy nine, eighty eighty two, seventy six. 463 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:52.960 Why is it okay for Larry Bird from seventy nine through ninety two to do 464 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:57.519 that in his career? Why can he, at age thirty three, plays 465 00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:02.079 seventy five games. But we've got people their young twenties who tell us all 466 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:07.400 the time this is a dream come true. I'll accept the load. Management. 467 00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:13.239 I'm not saying Jalen Duran can say that to management. I'm just saying, 468 00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:20.119 if your kid cutting hand, if you're a leader, show me that's 469 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:25.800 what I want. Now, I use I'm using you know, I'm using 470 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:31.840 Hall of Fame players Joe Dumar's Larry Bird. Probably not fair, okay, 471 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.159 but that's the standard. That's the goal, right, well, I mean 472 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.239 the key Cunningham's the number one overall pick you hope he can be that type 473 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:43.800 of player someday. Right. This is what people tell me all the time, 474 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.039 that this is what they wanted. This is what we hear all the 475 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:52.440 time. This is who you should be. You're too young for this guy. 476 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.679 But there was a guy when I was a kid who I loved watching 477 00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.840 play even though he was on arrival. His name was Sidney My. It's 478 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.519 a hell of a player. He's a Hall of Fame player. He's a 479 00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:10.320 five time All defensive player Sydney Moncreep with Milwaukee seventy seven, eighty eighty, 480 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.159 seventy six, seventy nine, seventy seven, eighty And not only is he 481 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:20.400 playing every night, he's guarding the other team's best player every Selene right on. 482 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.480 I only bring up his name because he's he's one that a lot of 483 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.199 people may not know of, even though he's a Hall of Fame player. 484 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.840 It's a hell of a player, primarily defense, but he was out there 485 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:39.760 every flipping night, and we're accepting players who play sixty and sixty four games 486 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:46.880 as it's okay. We complain that in Little league sports that you get a 487 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:54.119 trophy for participating, and then our mindset is, well, I'm okay if 488 00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:00.159 you miss a dozen to fifteen games. What what are you talking about? 489 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:07.480 How can you say that? Got? A texter says one word soft oo 490 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:14.599 fighting words. Yeah, you want to upset an athlete? Use that word? 491 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:23.320 Is it soft or is it compliance? Because maybe the organizations are soft, 492 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:29.000 not as much as the player. It's a good topic. We'll talk 493 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.639 with Max Boltman at the bottom of the hour eight thirty five coming up here 494 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.880 on XES and Bros. We step aside for a quick time out. 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