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this was actually your idea to cover cropsy. This is a pretty interesting topic,
to say the least. When I was watching the doc though I've definitely
watched it before. And the thing is, the weird thing is my wife
remembered it too, and back when we maybe first started dating or something like
that, or when we were younger, she like remembers maybe watching it.
She had We used to hang out of her room and like you know,
drank and hang out. We're like, you know, early twenties or teenagers,
and we used to watch the Ghost Adventures and some of the the weirder
stuff. And she's like, I remember watching this like in my room and
we had all the TV, probably having a drink or something like that.
So it's definitely been around for a while. Yeah, and it's way more
popular, I think than people. It is definitely one of those those documentaries
that most people have probably seen, yeah, because it was everywhere, don't
Yeah, Yeah, a lot of people don't know what they've seen it.
It's in can you you you like asylum stuff? We I feel like we
came to that conclusion on one of the Haunted episodes that when we first started
doing this, this this shenanigans that we have ensued in doing all the time
and between both shows. But your was your uncle and an asylom war?
Was it a friend? Are you telling a story? But I'm it's hazy.
It was my uncle. He I actually can't remember like the specifics of
it of how long, but it was a pretty extensive period of time.
He spent in a now closed down mental hospital here called Saint Sentence. What's
called a sane Saint Saint Sentence. Weird, it's almost like sane Sentence.
Now you're being sentenced to keep the get you saying, yeah, but it's
since closed down. It's like a town over from here, and basically exactly
what you could what you're probably picturing like a mental hospital looking like it's similar
to the look of Willowbrook or whatever from this cropsy story, Like it's just
those big, like freaky looking fucking place. But yeah, I've always kind
of been fascinated with buildings like that, and look, I don't know,
maybe a lot of it is just bullshit, like people attach stories to places
like that. I don't know, but it's like some of the energy,
Man, there's something to do with asylums and the energy that resonates there even
within the people that stay there, you know. Yeah, true, Yeah,
yeah, maybe so because people that are mentally unstable and then if you
have we've seen this within you know, histories. Yeah, people don't really
care about those with mental deficiencies. What did you think of the documentary itself?
I'm interested to get your thoughts. So I thought it was pretty good
considering the time that it was developed. When was this doc put out?
Do you have a do you know? Oh? Yeah, so it was
back of the day. Came out when I was like seventy. Yeah,
so it makes sense it came out when I was like eighteen, so it
makes sense that I would have probably seen it in my early twenties. I
thought it was well done. There's I think they did a good job at
understanding the situation of what was happening and trying to analyze, like, hey,
how did we get here? But it is weird because at the end
of the day, like asylums are such a scary it's scary in my opinion,
there's a lot of weird stuffs that happens within asylums and people not caring
in the mistreatment of those who stay there, and it's freaking man. I'm
just to kind of coach I guess on the documentary again. So it was
it was by a guy called Joshua Zeemon and I'm I'm not sure if it
was if it's his wife or his girlfriend or whatever who who had made it
with him, but people may also know him. He done obviously Cropsy he
done. One of the more recent ones would have been Murder Mountain on Netflix?
Is that that one about the drug dealers up in the Fales. Who
did that? Yeah? He done, Sons of Sam. Yeah he'd done
that as well. What he did that that was actually fairly well done.
Yeah, he's done that as well. He's done a lot of that was
the connection to his uh to which we'll get definitely he's in the Everything that's
in the the intro song is definitely gonna be done at some point. But
Berkowitz, he specifically focused on the connection to this satanist aspect of it and
the demonic side of some of maybe the possession stuff that I found, Like
even the Richard Ramirez documentary they made that one that came out recently, where
they focused mostly on him as like a boogie man, but not they didn't
analyze why he was a boogieman. But I found this same one was doing
something different by just analyzing why he was this satanist in what was talking to
him? And yeah, and it's funny actually because we'll see it in this
story a little bit later as well. There's there is some potential crossovers between
m that whole Barkwitz thing and Andrew Rand and that hold. There is a
potential connection there. I don't know. I don't want to say too much
because I feel like I'll get into my opinion rather than like facts. So
I don't know if you want to jump into some of the I guess the
lower first before we start. Let's opinion, let's jump into it, uh
for sure, because it's going to be. You know, I want to
do this justice because it is something that is a very famous story. And
when I think about Cropsy, I think about like an urban legend, really
and then you start to dive into that it is based on factual history and
anything surrounding as sane asylums, Especially at this time, I feel like we're
shrouded mystery and weird stories and concerning the staff didn't really care about the people
that were held there, and there was no real treatment for these people with
psychological conditions that you know, who knows what actually caused it. You don't
want my opinion on what caused it, But one of the scariest documentaries in
recent memory tells the legend of Cropsy, So the eyes of the people who
live there through the nightmare of an urban legend come to life. Throughout the
nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, mentally handicapped children systematically started going missing on Staten
Island, and no one knew what happened to them, at least not until
the police were able to track that a man named Andre Rand, which I'll
get in my opinion about him later, vagrant former custodian at will Brooks State
School, which was it's not school, it's not school, it's an asylum,
was responsible for the disappearances. Maybe the two thousand and nine film by
Statna locals Joshua Zeeman and Barbara how would you pronounce your last name? Brandon,
Copia, Rancocakia, whatever. It is an examination into the fear of
the boogeyman monster named Cropsy that follows kids through their youth and how many you
know, how many ways the fear is entirely warranted. So and this we
got this article from Rancor. They do a good job at breaking down a
lot of this stuff, so we should just dive right into it. The
opening of the documentary explains who crops. He is a shadowy figure as an
escape mental patient who lives in the tunnels beneath the former willow Brook State School
on Staten Island. And this thing, it's funny they call it a school.
It's not a school. They're not teaching them. Shit, man,
they didn't teach me. Why thrown fucking asses? Huh? Yeah? That
The footage from that place is one of the most haunting things I've ever seen.
We will we will bring it up very surely. I feel like it's
it's kind of really important as well, I think historically for like that that
area and then just just that's one of the I think I mentioned this before
on a show like I don't like a year ago, maybe more about we
were trying to come up with that and I was like, oh, I
was trying to explain. It was this like black and white footage and there
was all these kids and they were like naked and fucking freaky looking malnourished and
they were like covered and shit on the floor and stuff like that just so
haunting, horrific. Yeah, it's frightening. And the way they didn't do
anything, and obviously a lot of these institutions were understaffed and the staff didn't
care. And it's I always bring up like certain movies, right, like
you know that, like you see this happening where they don't care about what's
certain horror movie slasher films where they have this kind of setup where it's like,
oh, he's held in this mental institution, but nobody cares, Like
the nurses are fucking the the staff members, the guys in the white jumpsuits
that are essentially hired to hold down the metal, the mental patients when they're
like injecting it with stuff and try to get to like it's realistically. If
you see those movies and these documentaries that are based on real things, it
is like a lot of the dudes had to be like kind of someone strong
enough to hold down some of these mentally ill people that were having all sorts
of spasms and outbursts that you would need. You would need some of those
staffs that would be able to withstand the strength the the R words strength that
many people have come to know. Yeah, and I would also go as
fires to say there may be some sort of correlation there between I don't I
don't know, like this is just like a conspiracy. I guess that I
in my mind, but there may be something to the idea of you would
want people who kind of don't give a fuck to do a job like that.
You would want just like big guys who don't care about if they're like
I heard somebody or what they need to do, you know, they'll grab
them around the neck and fucking pin them to the floor and do shit.
And realistically, at this time, right these are people that nobody cared about,
and it's very sad, you know that maybe who knows what causes a
lot of this stuff. I can make speculations on what causes some of these
mental disorders, especially back then in breeding. Vaccines stuff like that maybe play
a part. Some of the medication stuff that's in the water there is.
I do believe that people are not just born like this naturally. I think
that certain chemicals and things are introduced to make people this severely handicapped. And
I truly do believe that stuff right, And people can think what they want,
they call me whatever the name they like, I don't really care.
If you actually analyze it between healthy humans and ones that have these handicaps,
it is very evident that something went wrong along the process of birthing or with
drugs they were the mother or the father was taking. Who knows what gets
introduced to the system when people are being created into human beings. Your body,
you know what I mean, can easily have reactions to things that they're
taking. And then I can you know, and you've seen this, women
that smoke too much or drink alcohol whe they're pregnant, or smoke crack and
their kid becomes dependent and you need to give the kid crack when he's born
to make sure that he lives. Stuff like this is. It's horrible,
but it shows that kind of aspect of it, right, that this is
caused by something, and they can definitely see this is not in any way
to condone what went now and with Lowbroke or anything like that book. They
just dropped them off. Like for example, I spent the time today in
the emergency department and there was a guy I don't I couldn't really make out
if he was like late teens or maybe twenties, but obviously like had severe
down syndrome and I'd like he was having He obviously had some sort of like
health issue. They brought him in and he had like the oxygen thing on
him and whatever, and he went like two or three rooms down, and
it didn't click with me till I was leaving, and I just happened to
look into the room where the noise was coming from. But he screamed for
the entire day while I was there. Now, And I mean like like
blood curdling screams. This wasn't like what people maybe you're envisioning, like when
you try to make fun of somebody who's like mentally ill or whatever, and
you make those stupid noises. This was like because I was going like somebody's
yeah. I was like, somebody's going through some shit down there or some
and severe's happened. Like the screams were like horrifying d and like I get
down and the dou is like he's in a trolley but they have like the
straps on his arms to like That's why people got me on me for some
of the stuff that I've said on the show about like that, is that
is that good for a human life to endure stuff like that? I don't
know. I just and it wouldn't. I can see again not saying like
what they don't know why Lowbrook was right running. But I can only imagine
if we go back to that time period, how people were just like frightened
and horrified and it was like, Okay, it's just easier to put them
in here and then forget about it. That's what they were doing. And
we've talked about this before. It's funny how like it kind of goes full
circle. When we first really started doing the show together, we talked about
hauntings, especially withinside of asylums and the idea of like and I got and
I'm not I didn't imply that something should be done, Like I don't agree
with some of the eugenics practices that are happening now nowadays to be like,
well, you know, we can find the down syndrome within the fetus or
whatever, and then we can terminate it. And and I don't know if
that is justified. I'm not a fan of made in my country where they're
trying to push legal euthanasia within children and people with that are broke even or
just have mentally handicaps or whatever. I don't think there's a line you dance
where it's like you're becoming almost Nazisque Nazisque with some of the stuff that you're
doing, of being like, well, you know, they're not worthy of
being in society, so we should just exterminate them. And that's happening now
for people that don't understand that it's happening now right now. But at the
same time, back then, they don't know what us to do with it,
even you know, these people are maybe in bread who knows, or
their child comes out too early and it has all these issues and then they
if they kill it, they'll look like some animals, which makes sense,
but then they're like, well, just put him in this asylum. And
this happened with women too though, like women that were like they were combative
with their husbands or disobedient with their husbands, especially at this kind of time,
and they're like just lock them up. Yeah, it's the same thing
as like, you know, we go with the eras before that and it's
like, oh, she's a witch. Similar right, Yeah, even the
Werewolf episode, dude people's being convicted for well, Peter Stump and some of
the dudes definitely deserved it. And we'll definitely dive down another rabbit hole with
that. Somebody would send me articles about someone that was actually in the Ware
of Trials that we didn't mention, and this guy is like a pure raving
lunatic and it would be interesting to cover at some point. So obviously throughout
the documentary, you know, there's this presence of fear and this looming idea
of like this urban legend that actually portrays the realistic fear of residents of Staten
Island old and young alike that have heard these stories. Do you just a
quick question, so, how do you feel about the idea of because obviously
this isn't This is what I like about this story as well. It's not
just an urban legend and like, as we'll see over the next couple of
minutes, it's like an urban legend that's somehow like spilled into a real life
story. Yeah. So it's not just like, you know, oh,
the guy with a hook hand and like what they were talking about, which
is crazy. Yeah, and it's like, oh, you go down lover's
lane and like the dude comes out and he's like scraping his hook and whatever.
But it's it's like none he gives you, but you know what he's
doing though no one ever talks about this. You know what the hook hook
and guy was doing. It's giving out free abortions. Man, he didn't
ask for any money. He's like, I'll just do it for free.
He's like, just let me stick this de inside. You're right, and
he's just a good guy. Okay, So let's get into the disappearance then.
I guess I don't know how my pronunciation on this surname is going to
be fucking abysmal. Shwigger what schwagger? Don't say that shwigger? Is it?
It? It? Let's go with that. Just don't add and in
there, I'll be fine. The disappearance of twelve year old Jennifer Schwigger horrified
her community. On July ninth, nineteen eighty seven, Jennifer, a twelve
year old girl born with Down syndrome, went missing from her Staten Island neighborhood.
The last person she was reportedly seen with was forty three year old Andrew
Rand, an alleged mentally ill drifter. After an intense thirty five days search
through the woods near Willowbrook State School, Jennifer's body was found in a shallow
grave. In the cropsy documentary, the audience actually sees the size of the
search for the girl and its immediate immediately apparent how much Jennifer's disappearance affected this
burrow. Jennifer or was the fourth non missing girl, and the small island
community banded together to help the girl's parents in the search. Our father commented,
I really can't fathom the amount of support civilian and official we have gotten.
And it's good for them too. You know. It's like people don't
like I make jokes on the show, and people don't understand that like I
am truly a caring, loving person even throughout like some of the stuff we've
done recently with the Kasari and Mafia, and I was like, I don't
want this to be like a like to dispurposely offend people. All I'm here
to ask questions. I'm gonna say one of one of the most feel good
shows that I've ever watched, and I'll be honest about this is Love on
the Spectrum. I actually really love that show because these are just like really
good hearted people that have some sort of intellectual capability that's not normal whatever,
but that are the but you see, you see the human nature within people
that do have some of these disabilities, and they're the most loving, caring
people that have ever existed on this planet. And they don't have any malicious
intent with a lot of things that they do or think about. They just
want to also be cared about and loved. And that's why, if people
understand it, I'm not some sort of bigot or racist or ablest or whatever
you want to call me or label me just because I've made jokes and observations
about certain things. But watching that, like I can tell you right now,
it is probably one of my favorite shows to watch on a Sunday morning
with a coffee and just like, watch these people that are they're not like
other humans. You could never see an autistic person start a war or someone
would down syndrome start a war or kill another dancing a line but kill another
person. Really, that doesn't happen unless they want to label it that way.
Even with this case, and we'll get into it. But I don't
even know if Andre Wren is the true culprit of the disappearances, and I
don't know if they slapped it on just because this. We'll get into it.
We'll get into it, yeah, because that it's like hard to dance
the line on, Like how much do we say before we've given a lot
of facts. And obviously there's people who have seen this too, but I
want to make it very evident that, like I care about human beings and
as soon as you enter this planet and they say, well play whatever.
It is this reality, this existence for people to cast so much judgment on
some of the most I think of some people, like I think it could
be caused by all sorts of things, you know, and they can ruin
core law that autism was caused by shots or whatever. But look at the
look at it from the outside have you watched Love on the Spectrum? These
people are like the most caring, loving people to ever exist and just want
to also be loved. And I don't think that's wrong of them to want
that, you know, Okay? So, Andre Rhand was the first person
suspected of being cropsy. In nineteen eighty eight, The Monster of Staten Island
was finally brought to life when Rand was arrested in connection with the disappearance and
passing of Jennifer. Throughout the film, Rand is described as being a mentally
unstable transient. He was allegedly seen with Jennifer before her disappearance, and her
body was found near the place where he slept in the woods. After his
arrest, he was suspected of having lured other children away, but no one
was able to actually provide evidence that was complicit that he was complicit in the
disappearances. Most of the people who testified against him claimed that he just looked
like he was someone that would take children. Rand was only convicted of abducting
Jennifer. The murder charge was dismissed because jurors couldn't agree on whether he actually
took her life. He received a sentence of twenty five years to life,
and then in two thousand and four, twenty three years after Holly Ann Hughes's
disappearance, Rand was charged due to no statute limitations. He received an additional
twenty five years. See and this is what's wild, Okay. Can we
just like look at the man for a second. There's nothing behind those eyes.
He I will give it to him. He is like if you were
going to make a documentary but someone called cropsy and like a whole urban legend
thing. He is one of the scarier looking motherfuckers. Dude, let's well
play this clip to start, but like, if you see it, there
is nothing behind those eyes. And yes, I've had too many scotches,
so everyone just ignore all my all, my my love for fucking love on
the spectrum, because that is it. That is an honest opinion, truly
truly love that. I wish I was more like that. I don't know
how to not be angry about the stay of the world. And uh,
if you talk to anyone with autism and they're like, fucking love the world,
just give me an't get through the audition stage for that. No.
I tried. I tried. That's why I said man, I'm I I
could I could have autism because technically now with the spectrum, it's like so
huge. They they said that I had OCD. I I want to touch
door handles five times. But I get obsessed about research. So I started
researching into ship and I keep reading and reading. I can't stop fucking reading
about it. And I'm like, wow, now everyone thinks I'm a Nazi
because I questioned Zionism or some ship. You know what I mean. It's
just like because I keep reading and all I do is read, to read,
read, read, read, and I get obsessed with certain subjects.
That's why they claimed that I had like o CD, so I could be
on the spectrum. I could have aspergers. Yeah that's a stupid so then
I eat them, fucking so stupid. Okay, so let's everyone take the
time to look at this. If you guys are watching God Within Police A
Questions. Early is the second day into the investigation, and after four weeks
of making a case against the man, they finally decided they had enough to
get a conviction. I meet your Mike, Aaron look at like I just
look at the This is sad man. This guy doesn't look like he's capable
of even thinking. This part fucking freaks me out. Man, you see,
I like, this is the thing, right, I don't know is
so I've seen other clips of him, right, and he doesn't appear in
that kind of state. So then I'm like, yes, So then I'm
like, right, okay, did they do did they give him something?
If they didn't give him something, what sort of like intense uh like interrogation
was he under? Because I say, if we look at something like,
what's that fucking story? Remember Steven Avery? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, oh, Brandon dacy Brand was mentally he was not capable of they
can feed him anything. What's the name of that fucking thing? I remember
now making murder? And like they get there, you go right there.
I I genuinely believe if you look at that interrogation footage, they basically courced
him. And like this, I'm not defending this guy because I I I
truly don't know for sure. There was some questionable things about him, but
he would have been a very I think, in my opinion, a very
easy target to I mean, all you have to right look at that if
if and there's a there's a part in the documentary where I think they have
like an old acquaintance of his and their interviewing him, and he was like
he was explaining. I can't remember what he said, but it's it's some
type of theory that if, for example, I show you a picture of
somebody and I say, oh, dude, this guy is you know,
it's from my town. It's like a local legend. He he kidnapped kids
and abused him and stuff. And then you'll go, oh, yeah,
I can tell he like looks like that kind of guy. But then I
could show somebody else that exact same picture and tell them all, this dude
saved like fifteen kids from a Burnham building in my town, and the person
will go, yeah, I can tell he really looks like that kind of
guy. It's conditioning. Eventually, I'd like to talk about the case made
for Patreon of Charlie No Face, where they just claim that that guy.
I don't know if you ever heard about this, but it was an urban
legend style thing, this guy Charlie no Face. I can't remember what exactly
happened to his face, but the guy like had no face and would walk
around town and like walk around in the outskirts and people saw this guy and
thought he was some sort of horrific creature, and then there was no basis
of fact based on that he was actually some murderous Uh have you? Did
you look it up? Look Jesus, And he was supposed to be a
real supposed to be a real person. Man, dude's giving me chills.
I mutually go look this up and and there's no I don't know if there's
any proof that he actually did anything, but this urban legend formed around him.
Did you see that? Like, so, if you showed me that
with no context, and you told me that that dude lived in your hometown
when you were growing up and murdered a lot of people, I'd believe that,
I see, but it make a form of sentence. But yeah,
oh god, I could definitely see him meeting some sort of sea. And
this is the issue even with the doctor, like oh, and they point
out him like all drewing on himself, and it sent the town or the
city. He would have sat an outrage over this guy in the way he
looked in his appearance and how it Maybe they just wanted to get a conviction
of somebody because they couldn't find any evidence and so they're like, this crazy
maniac that used to work there, we can just give him a bunch of
drugs to keep him docile, and he'll never know the difference because he's already
on drugs because he's mentally handicapped or whatever. Right, And then they put
him out into the public and they just need a couple of images, and
all you have to do is post guy arrested involved in this, and then
all of a sudden they think that look at an example, look at Russell
brandt Russell Brand accused of sexual misconduct. And then the whole world is like,
oh, he's a rapist. And then it's like, but is he
like easy, how do we know? Right? Like, you can't just
put something out there. And that's what news are calls purposely do, is
that condition people to believe that what you're looking at is factual. When they
can just skew us certain couple of words, just like manypu, a couple
of words to fit their narrative. That's all they have to do is kind
of just set up. And then all of a sudden, it's like everyone
thinks this guy is a serial killer and even though he may not be.
Yeah, and this is and again like I'm not. I'm not. I'm
not necessarily defending him. But at the same time, I'm not just gonna
sit here. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not just gonna sit here.
You don't and go oh because he looks a bit fucking weird. He's definitely
yeah, like because this this isn't even like you know, like we've done
the show about Jimmy Saville. Okay, Jimmy Savile looks like a big creepy
cigar chompster like freak definite ou side it is, Yeah, But the other
side of it is there is like an insane amount of proof of his crimes.
Yeah, this just seems very circumstantial of like all of this. Dude
was like a bit of a fucking like a drifter and he like lived here
and there and makeshift like campsites and stuff, and he was always a bit
weird, like a weird on a loner. So he obviously don't and it's
weird. It is sad because if you look at uh, eventually I I
want to uh talk about I can't think of it. Who's the Who's the
little the little woman? Recently that the second part of the documentary came out
where everyone thought she was a adult but she was a child. Oh yeah,
yeah, I know I can't think of yeah, but I know who
you're talking about. So that I wrote an episode actually before somebody else seemed
to have produced it. It it seems weird. There's some weird pariables.
It's a fucking real bizarre Natalie Gray now the Grace. So so I wrote
this out recently, whanted to like not recently, but I wrote out like
months ago, whying to cover this is Billy, just because I know for
a fact that Billy does not know about this case. I know that he
doesn't. Billy doesn't pay attention to anything other than his I was gonna say
his indicatous hand, but like like that, get it, get it giddy,
but like he doesn't pay attention to like political issues and stuff that's going
on, and a lot of the stuff that we end up doing he has
no knowledge of. So it makes it even more fascinating to like kind of
talk about this stuff. But she was conditioned to believe that she was older
than she was, and I believe that she was like a child, a
young person. Then they put her an apartment building, so it's the same
ideas. If you have someone who's mentally not fit, they have the mental
capacity of like a child or a young adult, a teen, and meanwhile
he's like forty or fifty and then so he just has to survive if he
has no one to take care of him, you know what I mean,
that he's gonna just do what he can to survive. And that's kind of
what Nali Grace did. At some point. She did do that. She
like they put her an apartment building, and we're like, yeah, you're
an adult, and as an eight year old mind, even if you are
someone who is the age of a four year old but has the mind of
an eight year old, you would be convinced that it's like, I gotta
take care of myself. I'm old enough to do this. And then all
of a sudden, maybe you do murder somebody, or you just do something
stupid, and there's a lot of like, I don't know if you want
to jump into the next piece of the story, and then I'll kind of
follow on with a thought I have the kind of ties into another reason why
I think there's an argument to be made that maybe it wasn't him. I
know, so In the mid nineteen sixties, Ran worked as a custodian at
the Willowbrook State School. I hey, you know they call it her school
because it's definitely not putting him in the middle of one of the ugliest blights
of Staten Islands and Staten Island and giving him direct as access to mentally ill
and disabled children. In nineteen seventy Ran reportedly pleaded guilty to assaulting a nine
year old Bronx girl and paroled in nineteen seventy two. In the same year,
a young Araldo Guevera Rivera filmed an expose on building number six of Willowbrook
Institution. Institution makes more sense at school, I would beg to differ,
but institution and Eraldo Rivera is an infamous mustache douche bag in my opinion,
which had formerly housed a large group of mentally mental patients. What he found
was deeply disturbing to the public. This building had been filled with severely neglected
children living in very disturbing conditions, poopy pp everywhere, naked naked children running
around slinging their poop at each other through some sort of monkey. After filming
in the institution, Rivera noted The hardest thing to describe was the institution's smell.
It would take until nineteen eighty seven for willowbrook to shut down after Rivera
exposed what was going on there. While some patients were transferred to units where
they could be looked after, many were abandoned without care supervision. It is
believed that they simply stayed at the institution because that's all they knew. And
let's bring up this horrifying clip of goddamn Heraldo Rivera going in. And this
shit is disturbing, to say the least, so everybody watching be prepared it.
Chelsea couldn't even watched this when I was watching the doc I first heard
of this big place with the pretty sounding name because of a call I received
from a member of the Willowbrooks staff, the doctor Michael Wilkins. The doctor
invited me to see the conditions he was talking about, so unannounced and unexpected
by the school administration, we toured building number six. The doctor had warned
me that it would be bad. It was horrible. There was one attendant
for perhaps fifty severely and profoundly retarded children lying on the floor, naked and
smeared with their own pieces they were making a pitiful sound, the kind of
mournful wail that it's impossible for me to forget. This is what it looked
like. This is what it sounded like. But how can I tell you
about the way it smelled. It smelled of filth, It smelled of disease,
and it smelled of death. But perhaps the governor can defend and explain
away the budget cuts for the Department of Mental Hygiene, and perhaps doctor Miller
can explain and defend the filthy, dehumanizing conditions we found in this and other
buildings, but they won't do it on this program. What we found and
documented here is a disgrace to all of us. This place is in the
school. It's a dark corner where we throw children who aren't pretty to look
at. It's the big town's leper colony. We were sitting on both sides
of them, and he started to cry. He started to cry, and
he said, do you see how it was? Do you see how it
was? We were victims too, meaning the attendance, so the people have
worked there. He just sat down and his eyes like rolled and he could
started deweling. In the hotel. We could see what was happening to him,
and it's like you kneel right in front of them, say it,
tell us the truth. Now, you know, God will forgive you.
It was so close we thought we had it, and then he just started
the run. He was that way that whole night, the whole next day,
and he didn't start talking to people until two or three days later.
That is beyond disturbing for everyone listening that didn't didn't see what we saw.
If you've never seen the footage from Willowbrook, it is like disturbing, beyond
belief. You never like understood how bad these institutions were at the time.
It is completely disturbing. Man, that one, you know, unfortunate women
with their bald head and the way, oh dude, it's like it's a
horror movie. It's like a horror movie. It is. And like I'm
not again, I'm not like trying to say the make light to ring,
but that shit scares me. It's like some of the freakiest looking shit is
and like it is genuinely I was as I was like looking at it again,
I was thinking about it, and I was like, you know,
like this really feels like something that if you told me, oh, this
is like something they made for like an old school artor movie. I'd be
like, oh, yeah, I believe it. And and two for the
you know to props to Heraldo Harvera. He did expose the Satanist stuff.
I think when he ends up doing his career was I think a little where
like you're just buying into the religious persecution of people for thinking differently or whatever
with the Satanic panic or whatever. Peoples be like rock music is fucking turn
our children to fucking Satanis. But like what he did expose, especially specifically
with this UH and Saint Asylum and what they did and how they kept their
patients, it was truly disturbing. It's it's something that sends chills down my
spine, and it's doesn't it's not comfortable to watch this stuff kind of crazy
as well. It took fifteen years after that point for that place closed down
officially, which is wild. You have kids literally and who like and these
people are severely severely mentally ill and who knows what they're doing. And then
I've heard like staff members are touching and groping and raping, raping there and
doing absurd things to these children that that are not even aware of their own
surroundings, and then you're conditioning them more and not giving them help. So
meanwhile they're not understanding anything, so you leave them unhinged, naked, shitting
themselves and then they wonder why it smells so bad. But at the same
time, right, the people that were hired there to do that job were
not paid well enough, and there was and this happens in other asylums,
but specifically this one they brought light to it is they they didn't have enough
staff for the amount of mental patients that were there, so it caused this
disturbing decay of the environment around these children because people either weren't paid enough they
didn't have enough staff, so then people stopped caring and then they just essentially
left these children to die in their own filth, and it's sad. Another
observation of mine is, so they're saying that that Rand was like severely mentally
ill and have all these issues, so how did he get a job as
a custodian in Willowbrook Because they're like, you're one of them. It's just
very strange because they try to make it out they were like, oh,
you know, Rand had access to children a job, they notice and all
this and it's like, hold on a second, though, he didn't just
show up one day and start giving himself a paycheck and like working there,
somebody, somebody had to have interviewed him or there had to be some sort
of conversation for him to be like showing up for work or was it that
he was that he was in the institution beforehand, because nobody talks about that
shit. And then they gave them a job because they're like, ah,
you're mentally fit enough to be able to try to take care of these kids.
And seeing some of the footage if people have not seen it, if
you want to see a real life horror movie, what was going on?
And I'm telling you before they had cameras in the forties and fifties, this
was happening, you know, all over the world, and it's it's this
is why things like eugenics gets brought up and stuff like that, because it
is disturbing to see how we housed these mentally ill people and there's no really
care given. Parents that birthed some of these people with these mental deficiencies were
then just give them away, let the system deal with them. Let these
our tax dollars be put into housing these people without any real care, having
minimal staff, and then people like you all you, they would hire anybody
because most people don't want to do that job. And then you have somebody
that's some sort of creep, like a Jimmy savile, that would end up
taking advantage of these mentally ill people and be like you know, and doing
all sorts of disgusting things to children. And it's the disturbing truth that most
people don't like to acknowledge. So the tunnels beneath the institution were a creepy
complex. The Willowbrook State School itself may have seemed like a portal to hell
for its inhabitants. Robert Kennedy referred to the institution as a snake pit,
but the tunnels beneath the institution would go on to provide a whole new level
of terror for the people of Staten Island. The Willowbrook Tunnels are set as
a hub with spokes that stretch beneath the grounds, and while in operation,
the tunnels were used as a way for workers to move around quickly without physically
moving through the hospital. In the film, they're described as a city under
the city. The access tunnels were necessary while the hospital was up and running,
but after a close many abandoned patients of former staff members allegedly moved into
them below the surface of the institution, Fucking locals. Locals later speculated the
cropsy committed acts of Satanism in these tunnels. I don't know about that,
man. It's very at this time, it's very easy to blame like a
Satanists or doing this. Satanists are the ones that are killing everybody and corrupting
the youth or whatever. But it just seems like, oh, they need
a villain, They need a villain to make sense of. Maybe somebody that
was far more intelligent than andre Ran that committed these acts, that easily had
access to them, because if you were any intelligent person that preyed on children,
I think it would be fairly easy to manipulate the situation to be able
to access these kids. Because yeah, and it doesn't it doesn't look good
for the police department if you come out and say, look, we have
no fucking clue whoever's doing this or whatever people are doing this are ahead of
us and like way smarter. And also I think one of the lead detectives.
He was getting ready to retire, and I think this was like his
last big case, of course, and there's a lot of speculation out there,
and this has happened a lot of times, I think throughout history with
cases like this where you know it'll be a guy's last big break or they
you know they're retiring or something like that, and they're like, Okay,
I want I want to close out this one. So let's just fucking okay
Tom. Tom had issues with such an whatever, and we're just gonna like
make Tom the bad guy. Well that's that's what they do, right,
And that's that's the idea of like you see this all throughout history, As
you said, how many how many true crime cases as we cover have we
covered and will cover in the future that has this exact same thing happen where
they need a villain, they need somebody to rest. The cops are lazy
and look at those dudes like whatever, like we're not I'm not going to
talk to them. They're probably fucking in the eighties dying at this point or
sixties or whatever. But those dudes were overweight, unhealthy, just slubs of
detectives that just making every excuse they could throughout the documentary to be like,
well, this is why he was, this main suspect, the culprit of
these and how many serial killers have we talked about? How many will we
talk about at the end of this that end up proving that cops do not
care. Cops want to find somebody that they can label most times other than
some but a lot of the detectives will just latch onto one story, and
it might be even their own self delusion, their own grandiose hubrists that allows
them to be able to do this stuff, to be like, no,
this is him, I truly believe this. Look at all the information and
the evidence I found to back this up, and then their cement in their
beliefs, and then all of a sudden, that's the culprit and the suspect
that their arrest. Meanwhile the guy had nothing to do with it. How
many I was gonna say this when we were talking about when I was researching
this and when I was watching the documentary, I said to my wife,
I was like, you know, how many people have been sent to death
row sixty or whatever. The number is forty to sixty percent. It a
absurd number, A percentage of people that are on death row that are innocent.
Man, you know. Yeah, and that's happened and people have been
like freed after spending twenty years in prison. Yeah, falsely. I'm gonna
let you just take it away. I'll just give my points as we go
through. But I know this stuff fascinates you, so I'll let you kind
of break down this whole. Yeah. I guess it's it's kind of to
tie into what we've just been talking about, the idea of like, was
Rand actually guilty or is the real craps he's still out there. Well,
most of the citizens of Staten Island believed that Rand was a monster who nabbed
and harmed numerous children. There's a lot of people who also believe that he
was set up to take the fall. Not only is there no f is
evidence tying him to Jennifer's case, but it's possible that someone else is responsible
for disappearance and passing. However, he was the last person seen with the
girl, and he had a noted history of related charges. Some criminal scholars
believed that Rand was simply the first person to be arrested, and that by
bringing him in quickly, the police were able to provide closure for the families.
It may be an unkind theory to the families of the missing children,
but it's entirely possible that the real life crapsy is still wandering Staten Island.
And this is what I said to like, when I was watching this doc
I was like, they could just like slap the label on, oh this
guy is guilty to just have some sort of closure or comfort for the people
around this area, especially like you know, the down center girl that supposed
but he took was this loving, caring person. She was a just this
all around like just everyone loved her and she just like was this kind of
and I've hear my mother told the stories and sort of other people that she
was just an innocent youth. And then oh, well this also try to,
I don't know, slap this like label on this guy that is mentally
ill, as he is the sole reason why she went missing or why all
these other people went missing. And I do believe they plagued on the idea.
They plagued the citizens of Staten Island of this guy looks like a murderer,
so he might as well be a murderer. But what do we know
about this shit man. Look at Ted Bundy, all right, come on,
sexy Ted Bundy. Everyone to fuck that guy. He's on and is
uh. He's in the front of the courtroom just swaying all the women and
the judge. Judges like, I like this guy. He's pretty smart.
He's got shit together. This guy, this guy knows how to be a
lawyer. He even though how the judge said, tend body, you could
be a good lawyer. This is who the real fucking corporates and murderers usually
are. It's people that are far more intelligent than the justice system, and
they seem to understand that. Right. So I find it very sad that
this young girl was taken advantage of by somebody probably that wasn't Andre Rand.
They just needed a boogieman, like the big bad man in Russia, even
though I don't think Vibrrune's a good guy. But that's an analogy, right,
He's gotta fucking stop the label on some villain. But like so,
there was like there's been very little evidence in any of these cases, since
there hasn't in my opinion anyway, as far as I can tell, there
hasn't really been anything overly concrete to say that it definitely was him, And
my question would be, so they've said, Okay, he suffered from mental
illness, he was a Weirdoh, he was slow, he was an idiot,
he was that, he was whatever. Now, if he's all those
things, right, then how was he just like having episodes where he was
like super genius where he was able to get rid of all the evidence,
do everything, get rid of bodies, like, do all that and then
go back to being like retirded I know, and then and they label him
as that as such enduring throughout the documentary, and it is true. Listen
to me that they they we've seen that, We've seen them some of the
most intellectual serial killers slip up off of the smallest thing. Right, if
he really did commit these murders with the intellect that the claiming that he has
and being an disabled man, he would have left a trail of evidence.
And that's what's absurd to me. Some of the most ted Bundy, just
because I brought him up, has a he's probably smarter than everybody listening to
this shit. I may not everybody, but the majority of that guy had
a fucking an IQ out the fucking wazoo. The guy was smart based on
the what we think of his intellectual isa IQ, because I think that the
IQ basis, you know, is not really truthful because it's based on the
repetitive schooling system. But we do know that Ted Buddy was smart, so
was even Edmund Kemper. And the fact that people like that man, if
they have this intellectual capability to be able to manipulate the situation even damer.
And then you're saying that this guy has the capacity, which we'll get into
next, to kidnap all of these kids without leaving a trail of evidence.
Is this is the thing? And look, I'll play a little bit I
guess of Devil's advocate here and give a couple of quick other points about him.
So apparently his mother had spent time in an asylum when he was a
teenager. He was born in Manhattan in nineteen forty four. Not much is
known about his childhood, but his father died when he was only fourteen,
and his mother then went on to spend some time in a mental institution.
According to Rand's sister, who remained anonymous until she was agreed to be interviewed
in the documentary, had emotional problems causing her to spend time in Pilgrim's State
Hospital in Brentwood, New York. Rand's sister also stated that neither she nor
Rand were ever abused in any way mentally, physically, emotionally by either of
their parents, because I know a lot of people are like pushing that he
was also, now this is a little bit strange, some of this stuff.
He was first arrested in nineteen sixty nine for attacking a young girl.
On May twenty fifth, nineteen sixty nine, a then twenty five year old
Rand was arrested for the kidnapping and attempted rape of a nine year old girl
in the South Bronx. Police discovered Rand and the girl in his car,
which was parked in a vacant lot. He was charged with an attempted rape,
but eventually played guilty the sexual abuse in nineteen seventy in order to receive
a lighter sentence. He served sixteen months in prison before being paroled in nineteen
seventy two. Some speculate he may have been involved in the disappearance of another
young girl shortly after his release in nineteen seventy two. And like I said
this whole time, I'm not saying this guy didn't do it, but I'm
saying he would be a very easy scapegoat to especially if he did do something
like this, right, and I'm sure that he'd I don't know. I
can't base it back on the fact that like they did catch him at least
we know with somebody. But then so then, right, this gets a
little bit weirder than in So what is it like eleven years later in January
ninth, nineteen eighty three, So what's that? Yeah, eleven years later,
he picked up eleven kids in the school bus. The children were at
the Staten Island YMCA when Rand appeared. Rather than returning them to their homes,
he kidnapped them for five hours. He took them to get bargers at
White Castle before driving them to Newark Airport to apparently watch planes land and depart
the airport. He was charged with unlawful imprisonment, but only spent ten since
none of the children were harmed. See and as bizarre he had the opportunity
to like kidnap a bunch of kids and drive him to god knows where and
realistically to play. He was like pretty casual about the whole time. He
didn't seem like from what I could like find out about it, he didn't
seem like overly concerned about like what he had done, Like when when the
cops got him. You know, he didn't seem to be like, you
know, I think they were like, dude, what the fuck you just
took eleven kids and just like disappeared. But if you have I think he
was like, if you have the mental uh cap the menal capacity of a
child, and you were like, you know, what would they these kids
love doing? Because I also think, like a kid, they would love
to get some burgers White Castle. I've never had White Castle from that movie.
It sounds good. You know, if a mentally ill drooling man wanted
to take me to White Castle and paid for my meal, I might go
along with him. You know, there it will see this is the other
thing, right, without trying to sound like stupid, but like no,
I'm talking about what I'm about to say. If I were, for some
reason to get a notion that I want to start abducting kids or like kidnapping
kids or whatever, the last thing I would do is collect them in a
school bus, bring them to a really popular fast food chain restaurant, and
then bring him to a fucking airport, because even in nineteen eighty, fucking
three airports would have been like one of the more highly guarded places you could
have went. It's not like an Afterno, it's not like it's still there's
still tons of people there. Well, yeah, what I'm saying is like,
if you're gonna abduct kids, you're not going to go to a super
busy airport to be like, I want as many people as possible to see
me in a very in a very obvious, big yellow school bus, like
you're misfrizzal taking your kids. It's like it said today, we're not gonna
go into the body of a lizard or we're not gonna become flowers. We're
gonna go get some burgers and get blested at airport. And you know what,
Right, It's really strange because in both in the documentary and I don't
think it was I don't think it was a fault of Josh or Barber who
made the documentary. It was more to people, the detectives and stuff,
who were involved in the case. I think dude, either it was more
at fault. They just glossed over it though they were like, oh yeah,
he kidnapped eleven kids in nineteen eighty three, and that was it.
Yeah, Doc, they didn't explain any of that shit. Yeah, it's
like, hold on though, he left out the part that he brought them
to a fast food restaurant and he brought them to a fucking airport and didn't
try to do anything. He's like, realistically, you know what I like.
I like burgers and planes. Planes make me happy. I have the
fucking mental capacity of a child. So I'm gonna get these kids, you
know what they need. They've been at school all day, and in his
mind is probably what they're thinking. Who knows right that I'm gonna take them
to go get some food something that I enjoy eating, and then go watch
planes. And if there was no evidence that he tried to touch or molest
these kids, then how can you brush over that aspect of it? And
you saw throughout the dock that all the witnesses that claim that he's that he
was seeing uh with what's her name, Jennifer? I think that Yeah,
the Jennifer Swagner, Schwigner whatever, I'm not going to pronounce it properly,
the down syndrome, little girl. Uh, it just it doesn't make it
doesn't make sense, man, because like he had all the opportunity to be
able to do something to these people. And then when when you see the
witnesses, they're all like, the way he looked, it's the way he
looks. He looked like a scary guy. And the one shit that on
the dock that was like, he was wearing a mask. I saw him
with so and so and her, and he was wearing a mask. And
it's like, how do you know it was him? If he was wearing
a mask, how do you know for sure that it was him? I
don't know. Everything seems contradictory. And when you see the eyewitness testimonies of
these people that are outside the court or whatever, they all seem to be
like, he looked scary, it's probably him. He looked like a scary
guy. I think there is a lot of that. And like, look,
maybe back in that ear if both of us had have been in that
area, we might have been susceptible to it. I would have been I'd
be like, you know, the pitchfork, you know the idea of what's
happening. Everybody's jumping on that story, and maybe you kind of get caught
up in it as well and say the same thing and kind of go along
with it, be like, oh, yeah, I also think I saw
him on that corner that day, and oh I definitely saw him in a
car, and you can't I saw him drag someone off the street. What
do we know from true crime cases? Right? Especially ones with I?
Eventually I wanted to do an episode and I had it written out at some
point about convictions, wrongly convicted people. There's a lot to that if you
actually look into it, that so many people throughout history and throughout certain crime
cases were wrongly convicted, some even sentenced to death based on eyewitness reports that
were fraudulent. I always bring up the story that I learned in law class
of this guy was on vacation with his wife in Florida. Someone who ran
up and shot his wife in the head, a black man with U and
she took her purse. And then the cops picked the husband up and he
was frantic and they're like, can you point the guy out? Da?
Da da, And he saw the very first black kid that he saw and
then point out him and was like, he's the murderer. He killed my
wife. Come to find out This was a sixteen year old boy that just
had enough money to get some candy from the corner store, and he was
almost sentenced to death. Luckily, I think he got out. But this
has happened before. There's an infamous case of a black boy being convicted of
raping a white woman, a white woman, and then he got He was
one of the youngest people to be fried alive using the he got killed executed.
He was executed in the frying chair. This young boy that claim they
all claim that he like, you know, rape some white women. It
wasn't true, wasn't true. And this happened so many especially to which is
sad to black people throughout history, especially black males that were convicted of stuff
they never did, just because a guy was like, that's him. Even
though your memory is foggy, it's so quick that you can never trust eyewitnesses.
I'm telling you that right now. Their memories become skewed. If you
study law, it's very true. And also if you look at any interrogation
footage for any extended period of time, sometimes without maybe there's even times I
think where police don't even realize they're doing it, but they're nearly coercing you
into a narrative, you know what they'll you know, it's like, oh
you've seen him? Did you see him with a mask? And the person's
like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they had a mask. Yeah.
Did you see him in like a black jeep? Yeah, yeah,
it's a black jep. Get Brandon Dacy Man. The fact they're like,
you like wrestling, oh yeah, yeah, I love kne the Undertaker.
It's like, you know, little little air and sitting in that scene and
there you go, right, and he like obviously he was mentally challenged,
even Steven Avery. I don't know where people say on Witter Steven Avery was
guilty or not, but that entire family were all like mentally challenged in some
way they were. And then I and then for him to back did you
see him burn her body? Teresa Haulbuck? Did you see him do it?
Yeah? Yeah, you know, And eventually I think it would be
probably worth it to cover it on this show, uh, because I do
find it fascinating because they're all the there's these weird indiscrepancies and they just and
cops do this where they're like he's our man, Like how many people they
like? Uh? Is very soon we're going to be covering the co ed
killer Edmund Kemper. But I want to make sure. I want to get
a bunch of clips. I want to do this justice. But he was
cool with the cops. They thought he was cool. They didn't realize it
was fucking him for how long? And this guy's like hanging around with them,
being like, you know, it's old Eddie being a weirdo. And
then meanwhile he was the crporate of all these murders that they were investigating,
and he was staying right beside them, swigging a beer with them. Again,
another super charismatic, intelligent person. And it kind of ties into something
else that I had found. And again like, you have to take all
this stuff at face value. It's all secondhand information, and I say so.
Apparently, according to some of the people that Rand was housed with in
prison, he had bragged about his similarities to serial killer Ted Bundy. Rand
had apparently claimed to have said, you know, me and Ted are like
in many ways. We both used Volk wagons. Bundy's thing was women m
thing as kids. Do you think the police could figure that out? RAN's
defense attorney, Dwayne Felton later described these statements as nothing more than pretentious prison
boasting on his client's behalf. But they always do. That's strange. It's
strange that his attorney, though, didn't say, oh, that's that's like
lies. He didn't say any of that. It's weird that he said.
No, he did say it, but it's just like he was boasting to
other How do we know if that's true? Listen, you could be like
Jerry in the cell next over, be like, yo, we'll give you
five cartons of cigarettes if you say that this is what he was saying.
So here, here's something that's happened. And I can't remember the exact case
I'm thinking of right now in my head, but there has been situations where
they have pulled like fellow inmates and whatever out and they've been told you'll get
a reduced sentence if this is the story did he? Or in my and
even tell him like you've got to say this, but they might say he
told you that he murdered those kids, didn't he? And then the dude
will go yeah, and then they'll say, okay, well, if you
testify in court, you'll get fifteen years knocked off your sentence. And it's
anybody's going to take that one hundred percent. And the thing is, kay,
say just let's get conspiracy minded when it comes to this, K if
you had something a true crime event, something that happened I don't know,
maybe recently, like the Robert Picton thing because he has like day parole or
whatever. Right, the guy from Vancouver that murdered you know, hookers,
I fed them to his pigs. Meanwhile, it's really weird that Nickel Black
played there and then Trudeau has a connection to that and going to hang out
that farm, and the RCMP seem to have covered it up. So then
you do this thing where you need you need to say even if you had
some case that some maybe important people were involved, you know, Jeffrey Epstein
type stuff, and then you need you need a fall guy. You need
a victim, you need an Oswald, You need someone to take the fall
for something that the CIA or the FBI or some of these organizations that the
letter agencies have done. So you need to convince people that this is your
man. And the thing is that people have to clue into. And this
is why I like doing covering a lot of these episodes is because psychology is
a very important issue when it comes to these episodes and how the human brain
works. Now you can convince them, you know what, Like realistically,
the Ted Bundy case, as we brought up many times, he played his
own lawyer. He was literally convincing people that he was justified in his actions,
and some throughout the court case there was people that believed he was like
innocent, just based on his charismatic, intelligent responses to a lot of the
stuff that they were presenting in the court system. And then the fact that
they even let him do that is wild. But I just want to get
that point across is remember psychologically, they can manipulate people to believe whatever they
want. And if the cops just want to end the case and they are
getting a bonus, oh, we'll give you a bonus based on this if
you close this case. We have you know, one hundred and five cases
that are still open. If you close five of them by the end of
this year, we will give you a bonus. And I'm sure stuff this
stuff happens all the time, okay, And that's why you have cops that
leave They want obedient, dumb fox to be cops. In a lot of
the cases there's David actually talking about this recently. They want psychopaths, narcissistic
psychopaths to be cops because the low IQ people that just don't give a shit
and will follow what they're told. And also, you know, you have
to remember as well, they've been able to manipulate and brainwash pretty intelligent people.
So there it would be if they can do it here like every day,
like you know, average intelligence or higher intelligence person, they can do
it to somebody who's you know, suffering from some sort of like mental illness
or is a little bit slower or whatever. He was, so apparently,
like again, this kind of ties into another thing that you said. Eyewitness
testimonies said that he was seen holding hands with Jennifer the day she disappeared.
However, the jury was unable to reach a verdict on a first three murder
charge due to lack of evidence. They did, however, find him guilty
of kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment, which earned him twenty five years to life.
He was sentenced in nineteen eighty nine and would have been eligible for parole in
two thousand and eight had he not been charged for another kidnapping decades later.
In two thousand and two, kidnapping charges were brought against him in relation to
the nineteen eighty one disappearance of another young girl, Holly Anne Hughes, who
was a seven year old Staten Island resident who had been last seen purchasing a
bar of soap at a local store on July fifteenth. Although again you see,
although witnesses had seen Rand's Volkswagen driving around the area, there hadn't been
enough evidence to charge Round with kidnapping Hughes, whose body was never found.
Police reinvestigated the case in nineteen ninety eight and eventually found enough evidence to charge
him, and he was found guilty of kidnapping her and was sentenced to another
twenty five years to life in two thousand and four. He would have been
ninety three years old when he's eligible for parole in twenty thirty seven. Wow,
he'll be dead by then. And it's just like, I don't know,
it just seems a bit like fucking it's a bit of a reach,
like and I think it has a lot to do with what you said where
it's like we need to close this and we need to find this like so
called boogeyman, so like the community and everybody believes in the police again,
and you know, we clear all this up and we'll just like forget about
it. And especially I think when there's what you've got five six disappearances altogether,
and they probably can't figure any of them out. They don't know if
they're related, they don't know if it's multiple people, they don't know.
So it's like, Okay, let's just find one person and blame all of
them on him, and that clears up all the cases. So like they
closed what five six cases all in one go, And it is sad too
to do with like, because that's all that they've done this before many times
times where they want to find a specific suspect or culprit for these murders and
connectic because especially at the time when serial killers were hot, so to speak,
and they were there were serial killers all over the United States, and
then you start to look into i don't know, maybe the people that were
involved that you wouldn't like to be involved, people within your community. I'm
very skeptical about what we're being told about certain true crime cases, just because
I've dug a lot into the idea of that they're used for some sort of
ritualistic murder, and that goes into the very dark conspiracy aspect of this.
But they just need a face to convince the public that this is the person
that you need to hold contempt for and that we need to stay that needs
to be locked up. Meanwhile, the dude is say some rich aristocrat dude
that is important in the community that is doing this right. Like, the
thing is, this guy is like the easiest guy you can blame to do
this shit. Oh, some creepy guy that also worked there that has a
mental is mentally handicapped, and they've just here, will give him some of
these drugs. You have to take these drugs, and they the purp walk
that they had with him is fucking bizarre. He's like drooling and mentally fucking
he came and think he came. Look at in that cop car that footage
when he's in the cop car and he's just like slumped over like they had
to like walk him, and he's like, I don't know. It seems
like they put that he's on something. They gave him medication. It's like
so hindsight. They keep saying like, oh, we always knew he was
a bit of a weird home. We always knew that he'd done this,
and he done that, and he was always a creep and blah blah blah.
All the community seemed to know and all the police knew. And I'm
like, okay, so that's the case. Then if everyone was so sure
that this guy was such a big danger, why was he allowed to live
in like campsites out on like the old mental house middle grounds and be free
going around. He's also a suspect in at least three other missing person cases.
There are three other unsolved cases that Andrew Rand is believed to be involved
in. The first record in nineteen seventy two, when five year old Alice
Pereira went missing from her Staten Island apartment building southeast of Willowbrook. Rand had
just been released from prison and was working as a painter in the apartment building
when Pereira disappeared. Though Rand was questioned by police, he was released due
to lack of evidence. On the August fourteenth, to nineteen eighty three,
ten year old Tahees Tahisei Jackson went missing after leaving the Mariners Harbor Motel on
Staten Island twelve days earlier. Rand had been released from prison. After completing
his sentence for the school bus kidnapping. As with Alice, Rand was questioned
by authorities again, but there was also not enough evidence to press any charges.
The third case in which Rand was a suspect was that of Hank Cafiro
Caro Sure. Hank was a mentally disabled twenty two year old man who was
last seen apparently ranned by eyewitnesses. The two apparently were seen eating in a
diner together in nineteen eighty four, and Hank was never seen again. Maybe
they were just friends, man, Maybe he had nothing to do with his
disappearance and they were just I'm not fucking this guy could one hundred percent be
some sort of murderous maniac that is unhinged and doesn't have the mental capacity to
But I'm always like, where are the bodies go? Then he can't be
that smart to be like That's what I'm saying, Like, unless the only
other option here is he is the smartest serial leader we have ever. You
know what It's like, You're a scary movie every went and at the end
he's like the fucking genius. He like rips off the fucking mustache and it's
into that fucking hot sports car and he starts driving away and off the Doofy
reporting for duty, and then like everyone thinks that he's some sort of retard,
Sorry for the but that that at this time, yes, so they
its retardations or how they claimed it. But even in that movie they joked
about that that you know, Dewey's a retard or Doofy and then he gets
way with it at the end. So I don't fucking it'd be very funny
if that's not funny, but bizarre if that was the way it was set
up. But then you start to see all these aspects too of uh the
homeless problem around uh this area, and the Satanist ship which they always want
to bring up to it's very fire with always like you know, Sitanist going
in there and summoning Lucifer, and uh, you know, but I I
can't trust that this is accurate information in anyway about about this whole situation.
It all seems like they needed somebody to play the the victim essentially to fall
God. And you know the easiest one to do is that we just hop
this guy on that looks like a creepy pedophile and we just make him drool
in front of the court and and show everyone this this depiction of this horrible,
mentally ill man. Uh And it definitely seems like that they were trying
to do. Yeah, now there's other things, like he didn't really help
himself. On Mother's Day twenty eleven, he sent an unsettling handwritten note to
a local newspaper. In the letter, the then sixty seven year old Rand
wished all the ladies on Staten Island who supported prose pross, I don't know,
prosecution, vindictiveness, persecution, vagativeness weird, that's weird against an innocent
person. He wished all the ladies on Staten Island who supported par secution vindictiveness
against an in some person, happy motors they. He went on to say
that if he could afford to, he would give them seeds to plant rolls,
bushes in honor of his forgiveness. He also talked about the spirit of
God that had guided him on his entire life's path. I must not gonna
say a different type of seed, like he's some fucking Jeffrey Epstein shit.
It's it's like, you know, I'll give you my seed if you want
to spread it around the earth like well, and if he's doing like,
you know, he's not mentally stable, and he's like, you know,
the the vindictiveness. So essentially it's it's what he's claiming. And then I'm
like, so they're saying he has this horrible he's not smart, he is
has a he's mentally handicapped, right, But then he's using words like the
vindict like the persecution, like vindictiveness, where essentially is like that you're being
persecuted because of some vindictive Yeah you know what I mean, like that somebody's
angry about you and they believe that you are the soul. You're the villain
in this situation, you are the sole perpetrator of yea, and everybody's just
like jumped on the bandwagon. And then for you to use those that type
of terminology when you didn't have that, when you're not that intelligent to begin
with, seems like you could have the cops write this ship and or coerce
him to do it. This is this is the thing though, Right,
So there's a couple of things here. Right, So either we're completely like
this is all a ruse. This dude is one of the most clever,
as we said, which would be a crazy plot twist or that thing was
written and you know the cops are like here signed that or write this or
whatever, because you don't know like he like obviously, if you know mentally
ill children were being abused in the way they were in Willowbrook, there's nothing
to say when he was in prison that he wasn't being fucking tortured and like
all sorts of crazy it. Also, I'm pretty sure anybody could have written
that note. The newspaper could have made up the fucking note to sell papers.
Yeah, one d percent sensationalism. Sensationalism. That's like I could I
could say that right now, like I could say, oh, me and
Tom, we got a letter from fucking Andre Rand because he heard the podcast,
and here's what he said. He said he committed all the murders and
he done it. Ha ha ha, He's a genus. And then have
no proof of no sorcer, no wedding. You just get to just say
it and then that's it, I know. And that's where everything that we've
seen throughout true crime cases can be manipulated. Even the way that we talked
about Berkowitzer earlier. I got thinks he's like a Christian shit. Now,
it's like I have fucking repented to all my sense Jesus Christ, and so
like, these people can be swayed and manipulated. And I do believe if
they wanted to convey a a guilt with with Andre Rin and really convinced the
public that after all these years, after all these questions, that he was
the one that was the sole perpetrator of these crimes and the people that are
missing, it would be easy to suade the public opinion by writing a letter.
And this is why you start to if I started to question stuff like
the idea that a lot of serial killers were involved in cults. And eventually
we haven't gotten to like Gary Ridgeway and like some of the people that we
will eventually dive into on the show that I might We're just kind of brushing
the surface. There's gonna be some some of the more infamous killers coming up,
and I would like to do with you and Billy at some point very
soon. There's two specific ones that we already mentioned, but just because it
would be a fascinating take to see us break it down, Billy with this
comedic relief and then us really analyzing it from the outside in because I don't
trust either of the information that we're being displayed because it could be manipulated.
The cops can be saying one thing or another. You could have a seasoned
cop being like, you know, this is exactly how When I was there,
he's a grizzled guy with his cigarette and he's like, you know,
it seems all accurate. But then he's also being paid to say this to
make sure that it's convicted, because they actually know who the killer really is.
You know, you don't fucking know. This is the thing I guess
to kind of touch on, like the tail end of the story. Yeah,
there's a little bit at the end of the documentary and stuff. I
feel like they don't focus on a huge amount, but they definitely mention it,
just because I think it is another important aspect of the story that's been
brought up. We're gonna get that the whole like just that whole idea of
like the Satanic thing, and you know, there's there's one big theory there.
And actually I had seen a couple of I looked up a couple of
different things. So the guy that made this, Josh Seeman, he's done
a lot of amas on and stuff like that where people ask him questions and
and things like that, not just about not just about Cropsy, about all
his other documentaries and stuff that he's made as well. But there was a
guy I found on there who said that he had went to the one of
the like premieres of Cropsy back in two thousand and eight or whatever it was
at some film festival, and he watched it with Barbara and Josh and afterwards
he was able to talk to them like about the movie or whatever, and
he said that he noted at the time, there's a part where that there's
a detective in it, right, and he's he's like super charpy throughout the
whole thing, and he's kind of like kind of joky and smiley about everything
and seems quite sure of like everything he's saying. And then they ask him
about the devil worship and stuff like that in Willowbrook and those air and instantly,
and I don't know, look, maybe it's just something he was like,
I don't know, doing as a fucking gimmick or something, but instantly
his whole demeanor changes, and someone who was previously throughout the whole documentary answering
every question with some form of like happiness, Like he seemed happy to be
able to answer all these questions about the case. Yeah, as soon as
they started to ask him about like the Satanic shit and devil worship and like
groups getting together in the woods, he instantly goes, I don't want to
talk about that. Well if you think about it, because I was just
gonna talk about the whole building and how it is very creepy and the energy
that would be housed there, and like, realistically, right, we know
that Satan worshipers and people that do worship Satan and want to call on people
like Ball or Baphomet do actually go. This has actually kind of worked out
perfectly. I'm wearing my looks like I have double hordes right now. But
they do use these sites of turmoil, places that have a residency of pain
and horrible things happen there to gain energy. Because you think about when I
was watching the doc and I skipped through some of the stuff because I remembered
the doctor when they're going through the building, and it would be so creepy.
I'm sure bring out a Wuiji ward or like a spe of bucks.
The energy there would be spooky. But the thing is if it already was
a place where people and they sent mentally handicapped kids to go and die.
And if you went there and you were a Satan worshiper and you did want
to invoke demons, you would make it a thousand times worse. You would,
like if you were invoking some sort of dark force that existed and maybe
fed off the energy there, because for sure, I believe that there is
very dark entities that exist outside of our eyesight that fuel off this energy of
negativity and chaos and sexual energy and repression and all sorts of shit. And
I do think they use us as some sort of food source. And if
you were to like invoke some sort of demonic uh entity to come out in
these certain places, you would curse that land in that that structure, uh
forever. And I do think that it is a possibility that there was some
some you know, even kids, man, even kids, even Satan worshippers
that are kids that think it's fucking cool to do this ship and they go
and then they can invoke something that could never be reversed, you know,
yeah, for sure. And I I think as well, there was a
particular mention of is it the what are they called the is it the Process
charge, Yeah, that's I think that's who Gary Ridgeway is connected to.
And it was fucking thing me some of Sam does uh involved in that,
And like they had a the like New York branch of the Process Church or
whatever had that offshoot thing, the children or whatever. It was, that
like separate culty thing the God that has nothing to do with the Process Church,
right they they There's a lot of mention. And I don't know whether
it's just rumors or people just tie to, you know, try and tie
the two together. But there was a lot of like mention of that sort
of stuff. And the guy, this guy on read now again this could
be all bullshit, un read it. But the guy was like, you
know, after the screen and I got the chance to talk to the couple
who made the movie and whatever, and he was like, I had I
had it in my mind, in particular that scene where the detective seems to
just change his entire demeanor. Yeah, when he's asked about the the Process
Church and stuff like that. He was like, I just found it really
jarring. And all of a sudden he went from like really enjoying answer and
everything to like, no, we're not going to talk about that. We're
just going to leave that one. Well, it's because they forget about that.
It's funny how a lot of the cult aspects of things, uh,
cops don't want to talk about, especially certain detectives that maybe stumbled upon things.
Then you're like, oh, this judge is part of this, this
cult. Oh this this the my police chief seems to make frequent visiteds uh
visits to the these cult. The cult place practices are places that take place.
You would be surprised, like, what do we know, man,
what do we know about? What Richard Ramire said? Man David I talked
about this ship Richard Ramirez when he was in his holding a salon and he
was in jail. He talked about how Satanists are not just some kids in
a backyard or going to a graveyard. Uh, sacrificing ghosts, that's that
is a part of it. And in the movie Spawn when they see those
kids like try to sacrifice that skull and they're like fucking rejects. Uh,
you know, there's people that definitely do that stuff. But we do we
do know that. What Richardmuir said was it's judges, it's politicians, it's
people within power. And now that I've gone down this crazy rabbit hole of
all the stuff that I've been reading and researching, it is your people in
power, your governments are Satanists. That's true. They they you may not
believe it. A guy was arrested for fucking destroying a Satanic fit whatever it
was that that that statue, that satanic statue in Oregon or wherever it was.
And the guy was a Christian veteran and saw that in one of the
capitol buildings, one of the Congress, like a government building, and destroy
it. And he's being arrested for like hate crime stuff. But then you
can have all these communistic youth that have been brainwashed by Karl Marx, the
guy that believed he was possessed by a fucking demon, tearing down statues of
people they believed were slave owners and they may have been, or people that
were colonizers. But then it's like that should always drives me crazy too,
because the idea of like, oh, these people that you claim colonized this
or did that, you live in that country, You're part of it.
The reason that you have a fucking cell phone and why you were able to
go to work and have a job and have a house is because some of
these people that create the society that you exist in. So and it blows
my mind because I don't think people understand that a lot of the people in
your in your in politics and controlling your governments are Satanists that are like like
that fucking guy, those dudes that fucked each other in the Congress building in
the United States and guess what there be's and and so much so actually that
I think when when this guy he approached the filmmakers and asked him about this,
they said, it's funny actually because they were like, we noticed that
all sort of like nobody, you know, within the police department wanted to
talk about it. Yeah, so so much so that apparently they're follow up
project was going to be like a deep dive similar kind of a documentary about
the process charge and like the goings on in Staten Island apparently, and they
started like they had they were in like pre production stage where they were like
doing you know, like early stage interviews and things like that and seeing who
they could get to talk to and records and stuff like that. And apparently
the Josh guy who made it said that things got like really weird. Everyone
got overly aggressive with them, and a lot of people wouldn't talk to him
anymore. And he was like, rather than push the boat, we just
kind of put the project on the shelf and moved on to something else.
Doesn't that seem like something is actually going on? Like I've said on previous
episodes, is that if you're not allowed to talk about it, it's probably
something that you should talk about, because if somebody is trying to withhold information
and put barriers up on certain information that we're not supposed to know, uh,
you know, even things like the idea of like you know, I'll
get into this a little bit, is the idea of like mind Coff that
we're not supposed to read this book that was one of the most influential books
over an entire country and society and people as a whole during a time in
history. And the thing is, if you're not allowed to look at history
and analyze it, then there's some there's some benefit that the establishment is coursing
the public into believing. There's some benefit of them conditioning you to believe in
some of these things and not saying I'm not saying the fucking Nazis were right.
Fuck the Nazis, Fuck axieties, Fuck all everybody that is about power
and greed and conforming people into what their ideology of what they think a person
should be. You know, human beings should be inherently free, but that
idea of like, if there's something you shouldn't question, if they're telling you
not to look at something, you probably should look there. Because I eventually,
like I've told you, I want to like dive into a lot of
these We've been kind of backpedaling a bit. We've talked about the progression of
these serial killers throughout history, right, me and Billy talking about HH Holmes,
Me and you talked about the toy box killer and even some of these
older serial killers that existed throughout history before it kind of ramped up in the
seventies and eighties. And my plan has eventually covered these and then I do
want to analyze, you know, I want to cover Charles Manson, but
then after at some point I want to cover was he manipulated by the CIA?
Were there connections to occultism in organizations within the government that we're persuading serial
killers to commit acts of atrocity and kill people for all sorts of absurd reasons,
and to pump up fear that keep people in fear to manipulate them,
right, So so for you, and then I guess to tie it back
into this story, then where where? Because I write so, I see
multiple potential outcomes. So either what we've kind of lightly touched on throughout this
episode, that this guy was some kind of genius and completely pulled the wool
over everybody's eyes, or he was just like a fall guy that just found
them and it was just an easy target and they just the cops just genuinely
wanted to clear the case up, and it was like, yeah, just
fucking nail him. We need him off the streets anyway. He's done some
creepy shit before. It's fine, he's a scumbag, let's just get rid
of him. Or did the cops not know that somebody else had done it
and used him, or did they have no fucking idea who done it so
they just had to find somebody, Or was he involved, Like there's a
lot of stories of people saying that, you know, he was supposedly not
taken part in like these satanic ritual things and all, but he was like
being used to like take these kids off the street and like bring them to
these rituals and stuff. And then when people started to mention about stuff going
on in the woods, the higher ups like, I don't know, like
you said, like maybe it's the local judges, maybe it's the police chief
say like, look, we've got to make we've got to make a move
on him and make it all seem like it's his fault and hush about this
talk about cults and rituals and stuff. It's just really weird that all the
detectives don't want to talk about that at all. It's kind of strange,
like it seems like somebody they got some sort of a memo or something about
like we won't be talking about what's what's up with that? Or was it
just someone completely different like apparently you know they talk a lot about in this
story. Oh well, Rand lived in the tunnels below with Overo. They
also failed to mention that there was a shit ton of other homeless people and
stuff and mentally ill people that also lived in those songs. So I mean,
could someone else have done it or was it a group of them and
he was involved in some way just solely all one, and there's so many
different avenues that could be pursued when it comes to the story of what actually
happened Kinton. To me, from all the research and the things that I've
been reading into over the last fucking how many years of looking deep into this
stuff that I am interested by, it definitely seems like it's kind of louder
like. It's it's more nefarious than you'll ever understand the fact that they focus
on a couple of kids when thousands of kids go missing, even I'm sure
in Staten Island, hundreds of kids go missing, especially around this time,
and then they only focus on a couple to bring attention to it, and
the media sells that story and then convince you, like the idea, right
like, just to bring some of this aspect of the stuff up. People,
if you don't understand the people that are involved with creating the Amber Alert
system. That was Gallaine Maxwell's sister, her sister, that is factual,
that is true, a masade, and a lot of these places have you
know, their fingers and all this shit. But the thing is, so
if they convince the public that, Okay, these five children that have went
missing, we're gonna bring attention to these kids, but we're gonna hush some
of the other ones. To me, after all the evidence that we've we've
talked about and the stories that have been corroborated through people claiming to see this
or that and seeming to just base it based on his look, I don't
know. It kind of does seem like that he may have been used like
maybe crazy Aileen Warners and maybe she's right, man, maybe that they were
using him and people like her to acquire these kids, like you know,
Jimmy Saville or Epstein is like the tip of the iceberg. They use a
certain person to acquire stuff and then when they have a fall guy, you
know, even like they you know exactly because then when shit hits the fan,
it's a really easy target to go look at his creepy scumback. It's
obviously. The thing is he can even involve with taking you know, three,
four children to these these cults or something of the processed church. And
then there is like maybe fifty, I don't know, twenty there's a bunch
of kids that already went missing, but he's involved in two or three.
They have him and they do the thing. You have intelligent people that orchestra
a lot of this stuff, and to me, based on his intelligence level
and what we've seen in the video footage of him and and I don't know,
it definitely seems like he was manipulated and coerced to do some of this
stuff. And we know that they do use homeless people to do some of
this shit. And eventually, at some point, I have an episode that
would be fun to talk about, and it's it's about how rich people take
homeless people off the street and hunt them down in some sort of like The
Hunt. It will have to actually incorporate it with that movie because this stuff
happens all the time time, So I just want to make it. I
want to really point the direction of we know that there's people in power that
orchestrate this stuff and then manipulate people to they all they need is an excuse.
They need a fall guy, they need someone to be able to pull
off some of these horrible crimes. And who knows, I could be totally
wrong. It could be like this guy's a fucking villain and he is the
perpetrator of all these missing children and it was his fault. But the evidence
and my lie detector out of my things going off, being like this is
way deeper than most people would ever want to acknowledge. Yeah, I would
think so. And the unfortunate part about it is we'll probably never truly know.
I will say, like one last thing I suppose before, because I'm
not really sure where i sit on the whole thing. I feel like I'm
on the fence because it's very hard to pinpoint exactly there is like if you
look at some of the facts, I guess of the case, there is
a lot of like weird coincidental stuff where like he does seem to be around
an awful lot. You know, It's like he was seeing he was seen
having food with that that twenty two year old guy who went missing. He
was seen holding hands with the dance syndrome girl. You know, he was
seeing somewhere else with somebody else. He was working as a painter in the
apartment black girl disappeared. I'm like, it is a bit strange that like
I really happened to be around. But again, but again, you don't
know whether, like is that all factual, because like if you just tell,
if you just tell the community that that's going to spread like wildfire.
It's like Chinese whispers, dude, especially within this time period, and I
don't know, it does make sense that you could just tell somebody a story,
especially the the i'm astay, especially like the the witnesses and what they
claim. They have no evidence. They just say that they think that they
saw him. That's the strange part. That there was literally not even one
piece of evidence. That's the part I can't understand. Yeah, and this
is why I do think that there is. It goes deeper than we could
imagine. Then they create these legends and think about it. They they use
this against us all the time. They can manipulate our minds, psyops,
psychological warfarees are happening right now as we speak all the time, and to
manipulate and sway public opinion. And like the crime Minister recently right it's like
he talked on us some sort of podcast unhingingly and this guy's on hedged Maniac
and our system and he's like, you know, I missed the days where
we just had CBC and these news channels and everyone got their facts and he's
like he literally said there was an agreed upon fact based on the news.
It so especially at this time, you just have to especially when they realize
that they could use TV and newspapers to manipulate people. All left to broadcast
is mentally disabled man arrested with connections to UH children missing. And then everyone's
like, that guy looks fucking scary. Man, he definitely did it,
not realizing that there's people in your community that could have done it. Look
at fucking John Wayne Gacy Man. I would love to talk about him.
At some point. That guy was a pillar of the community, connected to
Freemasons, all sorts of weird shit man, and people viewed him as this
great guy that helped everybody else, like, helped everybody dress on the clowns
going to community events. Meanwhile, the guy had forty bodies in his basement.
Scar best. That guy's one of the scariest serial killers. I think,
honestly, I could. I could hang out with Richie. I can
convince Richie Ramirez to be my friend. You know, even even even you
know some of something, I still want the Richard Ramirez T shirt. We're
gonna I know people will probably want to like kill Oh weear of mine.
We're gonna do. He's gonna be covered soon. We'll bring this to a
close. I thought this was something that was very interesting, and I know
that you were fascinated by this case. But at the same time, like
if the fans don't know me mine now, I've been going down a hole,
a rabbit hole. I've been deep inside this stuff. So and the
more I read, because all I've been doing is reading and reading and reading
and reading it, and I've been buying a bunch of different books and stuff
like that that I'm going to be diving into, is the more that I'm
convinced that that on the surface level, we only know a fraction of the
truth. So like even with this case, I bet you what we know
is like an iceberg that we only see the tip, but we don't understand
the levels that go beyond that. And I think that's to do with a
lot of the cases and the true crime case that we see. And you
know that people are fast out by true crime, so you give them a
set a specific set of facts, you know, and then I don't know.
It's just this seems fucking sketchy, That's all I'm saying. And I
don't believe what they're telling us about this case and the fact that it is
a shredded and so much mystery an urban legend seems a little weird. Yeah,
it is. I really don't know where I wish I was able to
give more like definitive I don't know, man, and sort of where I
sit, but I genuinely don't know. And I think it is, like
you said, it's way deeper than we probably know. And I think even
even the people who made it, I think realized like they could only get
so fa you did a good job. The docs is like everybody just blocked
them out at a certain point. The doc is well done, and I
think it is. It is a like it's a creepy doc that threw together
and at the time especially it was some of that intrigued audiences and as they
even there was definitely points within the doc that they they pointed at that we
don't even necessarily know the truth and they could have just they needed a fall
guy. And I just want to bring that up numerous times, and it
really pushed that into people's heads, is that they can convince you that that
it's the nicest guy in the world. Is A is a serial killer?
Is A is a murderous scumbag? Right? Look at just to bring up
because I've interviewed people on the show just about the freedom come void stuff that's
happened throughout our Canadian history the last couple of years or the world. Is
that they convinced a population that people that chose not to get some sort of
experimental shot or some sort of right wing fascist Nazis and even CESIS, which
is ceases, not a it's like an organization in Canada that uh I could
look after. I can't remember the exact definition of what CESIS is, uh,
but they they came out recently uh and said, uh, let me
look at what cesis. Uh. So it's Canadian Security Intelligence Service. So
CESES is like what the CIA is for America. And and so they labeled
people the parents, parent parental groups that are against the LGBT, the cult
stuff, the the gender ideologies being on schooled. They labeled them as far
right Nazis, neo Nazis, parental groups parents that just wanted to like the
protect their kids against being sexualized by the UN agenda. So I just want
to make it clear to people that these organizations, the RCMP, the police,
the police that you have in Ireland, these people are paid and they
will give you whatever evidence they will plan evidence on people. Look at the
kots border fucking planting guns on Canadian citizens to say they were so come on,
why would you believe these people? That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
it's it's wild, like and it's it's so hard. Like We've had this
conversation several times about like it's gotten to the point where it's impossible to know
what to believe. And I don't know now if like when I'm being told
the real fruit is just like another like version of lies. Yeah, right,
so I feed it to distract me from what's actually going on. So
it's like there's so many layers to everything now, it's like, how can
we ever figure out? And at the end of the day, everybody that
listens to this, and as a fan of the show, I appreciate your
or skepticism and you know, all for the fans really like all I ask
is for you to question things, you know, That's all I'm asking for,
you know, even the time this comes at our k the Kasarian Mafia
episode will be out in the whole full three hours that we dissected a very
interesting, you know, version of history that we may not know as factual,
and the whole time. Me and I were both like, I don't
know if this is fucking real. I don't know. I'm just questioning stuff.
That's all I'm doing. Right So at the end of the day,
I just want people to, especially our audience, is to just question everything,
and we're never ever coming at something with malicious intent. We make some
dark humored jokes, but I do believe most of our audience really does understand
what we're going for and how we're just being genuine more than everybody else,
because a lot of other people have agendas and they all have something that they're
trying to persuade to people, and all I'm doing is being like, I
don't know. Anything is posted. Yeah, so everybody, this was a
lot of fun. I thought it. I thought we did something a little
different when it comes to how we analyze the whole case of this, because
it is something that's very uh, it's in the psyche, especially around America,
even like even that you know this case, it's very much it's a
legend. It is like some sort of urban legend. You know, how
we know of the hook handed man giving abortions out for free stuff like that.
You know, it's kidding but the documentary definitely brought it to It's such
a popular documentary for anybody who hasn't seen it, it is available, Yeah,
it's it's on YouTube now and like it's on multiple probably yeah, and
it's on multiple high profile YouTube channels. Like I think there's like five or
six like proper HD uploads of it, the full thing. It's definitely worth
looking at, and it's it's strange because it's like it's obviously a true story,
but the kind of done the narrative in a really strange way where like
it's sort of feels like you're looking at something like the Blair Witch, but
then it's like, oh no, this is actually really I know. That's
why it's funny even hearing about this. They have definitely the folklore and legends
surrounding it. It seems like it's not real, but this is more real
than people understand of what it's connected to. And I do think is that
true? Like when we talked to when we you know, did the commentary
on urban legends you can find on the Patreon and stuff like that, is
like how much of that is true? Right? Because are these based on
real stories? That then get the telephone game get passed around and then eventually
it becomes some fable, some some story, some legend that is actually shrouded
in some truth. Right, So you know, I enjoyed myself. We
have lost big stuff coming. This is actually Aaron's idea to dive into this.
You know, sometimes it's so funny that I have all these ideas of
episodes we're gonna get into. But if you know, all of a sudden,
we'll like some pops up and we're like, hey, let's cover this,
let's just get into it, let's do some different, let's do something
we haven't even researched recently. So I watched the I started looking at the
stuff. But I have a million and one ideas for this show. There's
gonna be a lot of stuff coming. I do think at some point it
would be fun to do like that movie something about wellness via goth Is in
our favorite and that other guy Curious to Wellness or whatever. Like, there's
some stuff. There's some certain movies based on asylums and stuff that we could
end up getting into on Class Horror Cast. But we're number one, We're
gonna be number one Irish podcast motherfuckers. Yeah, yeah, randomly got an
email the other day about that that's so cool. We were at least a
on a website shouting out Class fore Cast of being one of the number one
podcasts in Ireland. Horror podcast in Ireland to listen to in twenty twenty four
is pretty awesome. We we're gonna reach the charts. I do believe the
Class Forecast. There's a lot of stuff that we do a lot differently,
So anyone who listens to this go support Class fore Cast, give us five
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Brett was like, I like it. It's very seductive and creepy.
Yea, and for sure, So there's definitely cool stuff. I think we
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