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but then you get a little break
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this was actually your idea to cover
cropsy. This is a pretty interesting topic,

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to say the least. When I
was watching the doc though I've definitely

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watched it before. And the thing
is, the weird thing is my wife

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remembered it too, and back when
we maybe first started dating or something like

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that, or when we were younger, she like remembers maybe watching it.

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She had We used to hang out
of her room and like you know,

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drank and hang out. We're like, you know, early twenties or teenagers,

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and we used to watch the Ghost
Adventures and some of the the weirder

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stuff. And she's like, I
remember watching this like in my room and

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we had all the TV, probably
having a drink or something like that.

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So it's definitely been around for a
while. Yeah, and it's way more

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popular, I think than people.
It is definitely one of those those documentaries

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that most people have probably seen,
yeah, because it was everywhere, don't

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Yeah, Yeah, a lot of
people don't know what they've seen it.

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It's in can you you you like
asylum stuff? We I feel like we

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came to that conclusion on one of
the Haunted episodes that when we first started

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doing this, this this shenanigans that
we have ensued in doing all the time

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and between both shows. But your
was your uncle and an asylom war?

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Was it a friend? Are you
telling a story? But I'm it's hazy.

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It was my uncle. He I
actually can't remember like the specifics of

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it of how long, but it
was a pretty extensive period of time.

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He spent in a now closed down
mental hospital here called Saint Sentence. What's

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called a sane Saint Saint Sentence.
Weird, it's almost like sane Sentence.

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Now you're being sentenced to keep the
get you saying, yeah, but it's

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since closed down. It's like a
town over from here, and basically exactly

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what you could what you're probably picturing
like a mental hospital looking like it's similar

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to the look of Willowbrook or whatever
from this cropsy story, Like it's just

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those big, like freaky looking fucking
place. But yeah, I've always kind

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of been fascinated with buildings like that, and look, I don't know,

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maybe a lot of it is just
bullshit, like people attach stories to places

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like that. I don't know,
but it's like some of the energy,

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Man, there's something to do with
asylums and the energy that resonates there even

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within the people that stay there,
you know. Yeah, true, Yeah,

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yeah, maybe so because people that
are mentally unstable and then if you

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have we've seen this within you know, histories. Yeah, people don't really

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care about those with mental deficiencies.
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I'm interested to get your thoughts.
So I thought it was pretty good

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considering the time that it was developed. When was this doc put out?

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Do you have a do you know? Oh? Yeah, so it was

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back of the day. Came out
when I was like seventy. Yeah,

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so it makes sense it came out
when I was like eighteen, so it

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makes sense that I would have probably
seen it in my early twenties. I

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thought it was well done. There's
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understanding the situation of what was happening
and trying to analyze, like, hey,

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how did we get here? But
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of the day, like asylums are
such a scary it's scary in my opinion,

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there's a lot of weird stuffs that
happens within asylums and people not caring

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in the mistreatment of those who stay
there, and it's freaking man. I'm

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just to kind of coach I guess
on the documentary again. So it was

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it was by a guy called Joshua
Zeemon and I'm I'm not sure if it

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was if it's his wife or his
girlfriend or whatever who who had made it

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with him, but people may also
know him. He done obviously Cropsy he

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done. One of the more recent
ones would have been Murder Mountain on Netflix?

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Is that that one about the drug
dealers up in the Fales. Who

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did that? Yeah? He done, Sons of Sam. Yeah he'd done

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that as well. What he did
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the connection to his uh to which
we'll get definitely he's in the Everything that's

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in the the intro song is definitely
gonna be done at some point. But

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Berkowitz, he specifically focused on the
connection to this satanist aspect of it and

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the demonic side of some of maybe
the possession stuff that I found, Like

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even the Richard Ramirez documentary they made
that one that came out recently, where

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they focused mostly on him as like
a boogie man, but not they didn't

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analyze why he was a boogieman.
But I found this same one was doing

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something different by just analyzing why he
was this satanist in what was talking to

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him? And yeah, and it's
funny actually because we'll see it in this

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story a little bit later as well. There's there is some potential crossovers between

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m that whole Barkwitz thing and Andrew
Rand and that hold. There is a

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potential connection there. I don't know. I don't want to say too much

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because I feel like I'll get into
my opinion rather than like facts. So

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I don't know if you want to
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lower first before we start. Let's
opinion, let's jump into it, uh

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for sure, because it's going to
be. You know, I want to

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do this justice because it is something
that is a very famous story. And

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when I think about Cropsy, I
think about like an urban legend, really

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and then you start to dive into
that it is based on factual history and

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anything surrounding as sane asylums, Especially
at this time, I feel like we're

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shrouded mystery and weird stories and concerning
the staff didn't really care about the people

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that were held there, and there
was no real treatment for these people with

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psychological conditions that you know, who
knows what actually caused it. You don't

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want my opinion on what caused it, But one of the scariest documentaries in

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recent memory tells the legend of Cropsy, So the eyes of the people who

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live there through the nightmare of an
urban legend come to life. Throughout the

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nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, mentally
handicapped children systematically started going missing on Staten

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Island, and no one knew what
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the police were able to track that
a man named Andre Rand, which I'll

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get in my opinion about him later, vagrant former custodian at will Brooks State

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School, which was it's not school, it's not school, it's an asylum,

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was responsible for the disappearances. Maybe
the two thousand and nine film by

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Statna locals Joshua Zeeman and Barbara how
would you pronounce your last name? Brandon,

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Copia, Rancocakia, whatever. It
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the boogeyman monster named Cropsy that follows
kids through their youth and how many you

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know, how many ways the fear
is entirely warranted. So and this we

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got this article from Rancor. They
do a good job at breaking down a

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lot of this stuff, so we
should just dive right into it. The

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opening of the documentary explains who crops. He is a shadowy figure as an

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escape mental patient who lives in the
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on Staten Island. And this thing, it's funny they call it a school.

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It's not a school. They're not
teaching them. Shit, man,

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they didn't teach me. Why thrown
fucking asses? Huh? Yeah? That

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The footage from that place is one
of the most haunting things I've ever seen.

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We will we will bring it up
very surely. I feel like it's

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it's kind of really important as well, I think historically for like that that

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area and then just just that's one
of the I think I mentioned this before

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on a show like I don't like
a year ago, maybe more about we

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were trying to come up with that
and I was like, oh, I

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was trying to explain. It was
this like black and white footage and there

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was all these kids and they were
like naked and fucking freaky looking malnourished and

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they were like covered and shit on
the floor and stuff like that just so

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haunting, horrific. Yeah, it's
frightening. And the way they didn't do

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anything, and obviously a lot of
these institutions were understaffed and the staff didn't

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care. And it's I always bring
up like certain movies, right, like

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you know that, like you see
this happening where they don't care about what's

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certain horror movie slasher films where they
have this kind of setup where it's like,

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oh, he's held in this mental
institution, but nobody cares, Like

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the nurses are fucking the the staff
members, the guys in the white jumpsuits

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that are essentially hired to hold down
the metal, the mental patients when they're

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like injecting it with stuff and try
to get to like it's realistically. If

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you see those movies and these documentaries
that are based on real things, it

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is like a lot of the dudes
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enough to hold down some of these
mentally ill people that were having all sorts

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of spasms and outbursts that you would
need. You would need some of those

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staffs that would be able to withstand
the strength the the R words strength that

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many people have come to know.
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fires to say there may be some
sort of correlation there between I don't I

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don't know, like this is just
like a conspiracy. I guess that I

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in my mind, but there may
be something to the idea of you would

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want people who kind of don't give
a fuck to do a job like that.

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You would want just like big guys
who don't care about if they're like

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I heard somebody or what they need
to do, you know, they'll grab

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them around the neck and fucking pin
them to the floor and do shit.

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And realistically, at this time,
right these are people that nobody cared about,

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and it's very sad, you know
that maybe who knows what causes a

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lot of this stuff. I can
make speculations on what causes some of these

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mental disorders, especially back then in
breeding. Vaccines stuff like that maybe play

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a part. Some of the medication
stuff that's in the water there is.

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I do believe that people are not
just born like this naturally. I think

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that certain chemicals and things are introduced
to make people this severely handicapped. And

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I truly do believe that stuff right, And people can think what they want,

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they call me whatever the name they
like, I don't really care.

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If you actually analyze it between healthy
humans and ones that have these handicaps,

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it is very evident that something went
wrong along the process of birthing or with

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drugs they were the mother or the
father was taking. Who knows what gets

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introduced to the system when people are
being created into human beings. Your body,

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you know what I mean, can
easily have reactions to things that they're

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taking. And then I can you
know, and you've seen this, women

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that smoke too much or drink alcohol
whe they're pregnant, or smoke crack and

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their kid becomes dependent and you need
to give the kid crack when he's born

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to make sure that he lives.
Stuff like this is. It's horrible,

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but it shows that kind of aspect
of it, right, that this is

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caused by something, and they can
definitely see this is not in any way

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to condone what went now and with
Lowbroke or anything like that book. They

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just dropped them off. Like for
example, I spent the time today in

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the emergency department and there was a
guy I don't I couldn't really make out

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if he was like late teens or
maybe twenties, but obviously like had severe

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down syndrome and I'd like he was
having He obviously had some sort of like

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health issue. They brought him in
and he had like the oxygen thing on

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him and whatever, and he went
like two or three rooms down, and

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it didn't click with me till I
was leaving, and I just happened to

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look into the room where the noise
was coming from. But he screamed for

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the entire day while I was there. Now, And I mean like like

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blood curdling screams. This wasn't like
what people maybe you're envisioning, like when

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you try to make fun of somebody
who's like mentally ill or whatever, and

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you make those stupid noises. This
was like because I was going like somebody's

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yeah. I was like, somebody's
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and severe's happened. Like the screams
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down and the dou is like he's
in a trolley but they have like the

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straps on his arms to like That's
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of the stuff that I've said on
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is that good for a human life
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know. I just and it wouldn't. I can see again not saying like

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what they don't know why Lowbrook was
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if we go back to that time
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and horrified and it was like,
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in here and then forget about it. That's what they were doing. And

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we've talked about this before. It's
funny how like it kind of goes full

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circle. When we first really started
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hauntings, especially withinside of asylums and
the idea of like and I got and

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I'm not I didn't imply that something
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with some of the eugenics practices that
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well, you know, we can
find the down syndrome within the fetus or

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whatever, and then we can terminate
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that is justified. I'm not a
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trying to push legal euthanasia within children
and people with that are broke even or

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just have mentally handicaps or whatever.
I don't think there's a line you dance

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where it's like you're becoming almost Nazisque
Nazisque with some of the stuff that you're

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doing, of being like, well, you know, they're not worthy of

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being in society, so we should
just exterminate them. And that's happening now

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for people that don't understand that it's
happening now right now. But at the

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same time, back then, they
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even you know, these people are
maybe in bread who knows, or

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their child comes out too early and
it has all these issues and then they

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if they kill it, they'll look
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but then they're like, well,
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this happened with women too though,
like women that were like they were combative

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with their husbands or disobedient with their
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and they're like just lock them up. Yeah, it's the same thing

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as like, you know, we
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like, oh, she's a witch. Similar right, Yeah, even the

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Werewolf episode, dude people's being convicted
for well, Peter Stump and some of

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the dudes definitely deserved it. And
we'll definitely dive down another rabbit hole with

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that. Somebody would send me articles
about someone that was actually in the Ware

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of Trials that we didn't mention,
and this guy is like a pure raving

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lunatic and it would be interesting to
cover at some point. So obviously throughout

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the documentary, you know, there's
this presence of fear and this looming idea

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of like this urban legend that actually
portrays the realistic fear of residents of Staten

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Island old and young alike that have
heard these stories. Do you just a

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quick question, so, how do
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this isn't This is what I like
about this story as well. It's not

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just an urban legend and like,
as we'll see over the next couple of

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minutes, it's like an urban legend
that's somehow like spilled into a real life

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story. Yeah. So it's not
just like, you know, oh,

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the guy with a hook hand and
like what they were talking about, which

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is crazy. Yeah, and it's
like, oh, you go down lover's

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lane and like the dude comes out
and he's like scraping his hook and whatever.

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But it's it's like none he gives
you, but you know what he's

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doing though no one ever talks about
this. You know what the hook hook

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and guy was doing. It's giving
out free abortions. Man, he didn't

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ask for any money. He's like, I'll just do it for free.

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He's like, just let me stick
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he's just a good guy. Okay, So let's get into the disappearance then.

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I guess I don't know how my
pronunciation on this surname is going to

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be fucking abysmal. Shwigger what schwagger? Don't say that shwigger? Is it?

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It? It? Let's go with
that. Just don't add and in

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there, I'll be fine. The
disappearance of twelve year old Jennifer Schwigger horrified

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her community. On July ninth,
nineteen eighty seven, Jennifer, a twelve

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year old girl born with Down syndrome, went missing from her Staten Island neighborhood.

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The last person she was reportedly seen
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Rand, an alleged mentally ill drifter. After an intense thirty five days search

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through the woods near Willowbrook State School, Jennifer's body was found in a shallow

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grave. In the cropsy documentary,
the audience actually sees the size of the

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search for the girl and its immediate
immediately apparent how much Jennifer's disappearance affected this

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burrow. Jennifer or was the fourth
non missing girl, and the small island

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community banded together to help the girl's
parents in the search. Our father commented,

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I really can't fathom the amount of
support civilian and official we have gotten.

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And it's good for them too.
You know. It's like people don't

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like I make jokes on the show, and people don't understand that like I

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am truly a caring, loving person
even throughout like some of the stuff we've

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done recently with the Kasari and Mafia, and I was like, I don't

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want this to be like a like
to dispurposely offend people. All I'm here

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to ask questions. I'm gonna say
one of one of the most feel good

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shows that I've ever watched, and
I'll be honest about this is Love on

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the Spectrum. I actually really love
that show because these are just like really

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good hearted people that have some sort
of intellectual capability that's not normal whatever,

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but that are the but you see, you see the human nature within people

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that do have some of these disabilities, and they're the most loving, caring

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people that have ever existed on this
planet. And they don't have any malicious

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intent with a lot of things that
they do or think about. They just

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want to also be cared about and
loved. And that's why, if people

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understand it, I'm not some sort
of bigot or racist or ablest or whatever

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you want to call me or label
me just because I've made jokes and observations

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about certain things. But watching that, like I can tell you right now,

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it is probably one of my favorite
shows to watch on a Sunday morning

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with a coffee and just like,
watch these people that are they're not like

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other humans. You could never see
an autistic person start a war or someone

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would down syndrome start a war or
kill another dancing a line but kill another

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person. Really, that doesn't happen
unless they want to label it that way.

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Even with this case, and we'll
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even know if Andre Wren is the
true culprit of the disappearances, and I

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don't know if they slapped it on
just because this. We'll get into it.

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We'll get into it, yeah,
because that it's like hard to dance

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the line on, Like how much
do we say before we've given a lot

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of facts. And obviously there's people
who have seen this too, but I

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want to make it very evident that, like I care about human beings and

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as soon as you enter this planet
and they say, well play whatever.

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It is this reality, this existence
for people to cast so much judgment on

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some of the most I think of
some people, like I think it could

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be caused by all sorts of things, you know, and they can ruin

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core law that autism was caused by
shots or whatever. But look at the

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look at it from the outside have
you watched Love on the Spectrum? These

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people are like the most caring,
loving people to ever exist and just want

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to also be loved. And I
don't think that's wrong of them to want

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that, you know, Okay?
So, Andre Rhand was the first person

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suspected of being cropsy. In nineteen
eighty eight, The Monster of Staten Island

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was finally brought to life when Rand
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passing of Jennifer. Throughout the film, Rand is described as being a mentally

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unstable transient. He was allegedly seen
with Jennifer before her disappearance, and her

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body was found near the place where
he slept in the woods. After his

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arrest, he was suspected of having
lured other children away, but no one

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was able to actually provide evidence that
was complicit that he was complicit in the

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disappearances. Most of the people who
testified against him claimed that he just looked

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like he was someone that would take
children. Rand was only convicted of abducting

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Jennifer. The murder charge was dismissed
because jurors couldn't agree on whether he actually

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took her life. He received a
sentence of twenty five years to life,

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and then in two thousand and four, twenty three years after Holly Ann Hughes's

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disappearance, Rand was charged due to
no statute limitations. He received an additional

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twenty five years. See and this
is what's wild, Okay. Can we

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just like look at the man for
a second. There's nothing behind those eyes.

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He I will give it to him. He is like if you were

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going to make a documentary but someone
called cropsy and like a whole urban legend

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thing. He is one of the
scarier looking motherfuckers. Dude, let's well

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play this clip to start, but
like, if you see it, there

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is nothing behind those eyes. And
yes, I've had too many scotches,

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so everyone just ignore all my all, my my love for fucking love on

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the spectrum, because that is it. That is an honest opinion, truly

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truly love that. I wish I
was more like that. I don't know

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how to not be angry about the
stay of the world. And uh,

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if you talk to anyone with autism
and they're like, fucking love the world,

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just give me an't get through the
audition stage for that. No.

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I tried. I tried. That's
why I said man, I'm I I

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could I could have autism because technically
now with the spectrum, it's like so

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huge. They they said that I
had OCD. I I want to touch

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door handles five times. But I
get obsessed about research. So I started

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researching into ship and I keep reading
and reading. I can't stop fucking reading

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about it. And I'm like,
wow, now everyone thinks I'm a Nazi

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because I questioned Zionism or some ship. You know what I mean. It's

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just like because I keep reading and
all I do is read, to read,

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read, read, read, and
I get obsessed with certain subjects.

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That's why they claimed that I had
like o CD, so I could be

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on the spectrum. I could have
aspergers. Yeah that's a stupid so then

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I eat them, fucking so stupid. Okay, so let's everyone take the

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time to look at this. If
you guys are watching God Within Police A

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Questions. Early is the second day
into the investigation, and after four weeks

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of making a case against the man, they finally decided they had enough to

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get a conviction. I meet your
Mike, Aaron look at like I just

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look at the This is sad man. This guy doesn't look like he's capable

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of even thinking. This part fucking
freaks me out. Man, you see,

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I like, this is the thing, right, I don't know is

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so I've seen other clips of him, right, and he doesn't appear in

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that kind of state. So then
I'm like, yes, So then I'm

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like, right, okay, did
they do did they give him something?

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If they didn't give him something,
what sort of like intense uh like interrogation

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was he under? Because I say, if we look at something like,

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what's that fucking story? Remember Steven
Avery? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, oh, Brandon dacy Brand
was mentally he was not capable of they

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can feed him anything. What's the
name of that fucking thing? I remember

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now making murder? And like they
get there, you go right there.

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I I genuinely believe if you look
at that interrogation footage, they basically courced

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him. And like this, I'm
not defending this guy because I I I

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truly don't know for sure. There
was some questionable things about him, but

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he would have been a very I
think, in my opinion, a very

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easy target to I mean, all
you have to right look at that if

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if and there's a there's a part
in the documentary where I think they have

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like an old acquaintance of his and
their interviewing him, and he was like

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he was explaining. I can't remember
what he said, but it's it's some

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type of theory that if, for
example, I show you a picture of

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somebody and I say, oh,
dude, this guy is you know,

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it's from my town. It's like
a local legend. He he kidnapped kids

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and abused him and stuff. And
then you'll go, oh, yeah,

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I can tell he like looks like
that kind of guy. But then I

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could show somebody else that exact same
picture and tell them all, this dude

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saved like fifteen kids from a Burnham
building in my town, and the person

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will go, yeah, I can
tell he really looks like that kind of

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guy. It's conditioning. Eventually,
I'd like to talk about the case made

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for Patreon of Charlie No Face,
where they just claim that that guy.

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I don't know if you ever heard
about this, but it was an urban

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legend style thing, this guy Charlie
no Face. I can't remember what exactly

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happened to his face, but the
guy like had no face and would walk

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around town and like walk around in
the outskirts and people saw this guy and

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thought he was some sort of horrific
creature, and then there was no basis

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of fact based on that he was
actually some murderous Uh have you? Did

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you look it up? Look Jesus, And he was supposed to be a

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real supposed to be a real person. Man, dude's giving me chills.

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I mutually go look this up and
and there's no I don't know if there's

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any proof that he actually did anything, but this urban legend formed around him.

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Did you see that? Like,
so, if you showed me that

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with no context, and you told
me that that dude lived in your hometown

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when you were growing up and murdered
a lot of people, I'd believe that,

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I see, but it make a
form of sentence. But yeah,

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oh god, I could definitely see
him meeting some sort of sea. And

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this is the issue even with the
doctor, like oh, and they point

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out him like all drewing on himself, and it sent the town or the

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city. He would have sat an
outrage over this guy in the way he

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looked in his appearance and how it
Maybe they just wanted to get a conviction

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of somebody because they couldn't find any
evidence and so they're like, this crazy

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maniac that used to work there,
we can just give him a bunch of

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drugs to keep him docile, and
he'll never know the difference because he's already

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on drugs because he's mentally handicapped or
whatever. Right, And then they put

406
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:42.839
him out into the public and they
just need a couple of images, and

407
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:48.799
all you have to do is post
guy arrested involved in this, and then

408
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:53.279
all of a sudden they think that
look at an example, look at Russell

409
00:30:53.319 --> 00:31:00.839
brandt Russell Brand accused of sexual misconduct. And then the whole world is like,

410
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.079
oh, he's a rapist. And
then it's like, but is he

411
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.000
like easy, how do we know? Right? Like, you can't just

412
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.599
put something out there. And that's
what news are calls purposely do, is

413
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.359
that condition people to believe that what
you're looking at is factual. When they

414
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.440
can just skew us certain couple of
words, just like manypu, a couple

415
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.160
of words to fit their narrative.
That's all they have to do is kind

416
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.000
of just set up. And then
all of a sudden, it's like everyone

417
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.519
thinks this guy is a serial killer
and even though he may not be.

418
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.680
Yeah, and this is and again
like I'm not. I'm not. I'm

419
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.680
not necessarily defending him. But at
the same time, I'm not just gonna

420
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.200
sit here. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not just gonna sit here.

421
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.880
You don't and go oh because he
looks a bit fucking weird. He's definitely

422
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:51.039
yeah, like because this this isn't
even like you know, like we've done

423
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:56.240
the show about Jimmy Saville. Okay, Jimmy Savile looks like a big creepy

424
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:01.680
cigar chompster like freak definite ou side
it is, Yeah, But the other

425
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:08.759
side of it is there is like
an insane amount of proof of his crimes.

426
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:14.240
Yeah, this just seems very circumstantial
of like all of this. Dude

427
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.920
was like a bit of a fucking
like a drifter and he like lived here

428
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.759
and there and makeshift like campsites and
stuff, and he was always a bit

429
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.400
weird, like a weird on a
loner. So he obviously don't and it's

430
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:32.519
weird. It is sad because if
you look at uh, eventually I I

431
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:37.680
want to uh talk about I can't
think of it. Who's the Who's the

432
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:43.799
little the little woman? Recently that
the second part of the documentary came out

433
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:49.319
where everyone thought she was a adult
but she was a child. Oh yeah,

434
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.000
yeah, I know I can't think
of yeah, but I know who

435
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:58.920
you're talking about. So that I
wrote an episode actually before somebody else seemed

436
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.119
to have produced it. It it
seems weird. There's some weird pariables.

437
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:08.680
It's a fucking real bizarre Natalie Gray
now the Grace. So so I wrote

438
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:12.359
this out recently, whanted to like
not recently, but I wrote out like

439
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.119
months ago, whying to cover this
is Billy, just because I know for

440
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.279
a fact that Billy does not know
about this case. I know that he

441
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.359
doesn't. Billy doesn't pay attention to
anything other than his I was gonna say

442
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.799
his indicatous hand, but like like
that, get it, get it giddy,

443
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.440
but like he doesn't pay attention to
like political issues and stuff that's going

444
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:31.839
on, and a lot of the
stuff that we end up doing he has

445
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:35.880
no knowledge of. So it makes
it even more fascinating to like kind of

446
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.400
talk about this stuff. But she
was conditioned to believe that she was older

447
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:44.119
than she was, and I believe
that she was like a child, a

448
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.000
young person. Then they put her
an apartment building, so it's the same

449
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:51.440
ideas. If you have someone who's
mentally not fit, they have the mental

450
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.920
capacity of like a child or a
young adult, a teen, and meanwhile

451
00:33:54.920 --> 00:34:00.599
he's like forty or fifty and then
so he just has to survive if he

452
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.440
has no one to take care of
him, you know what I mean,

453
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.839
that he's gonna just do what he
can to survive. And that's kind of

454
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.800
what Nali Grace did. At some
point. She did do that. She

455
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.159
like they put her an apartment building, and we're like, yeah, you're

456
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.199
an adult, and as an eight
year old mind, even if you are

457
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.360
someone who is the age of a
four year old but has the mind of

458
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.440
an eight year old, you would
be convinced that it's like, I gotta

459
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.119
take care of myself. I'm old
enough to do this. And then all

460
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.239
of a sudden, maybe you do
murder somebody, or you just do something

461
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.119
stupid, and there's a lot of
like, I don't know if you want

462
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.239
to jump into the next piece of
the story, and then I'll kind of

463
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:39.159
follow on with a thought I have
the kind of ties into another reason why

464
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:43.960
I think there's an argument to be
made that maybe it wasn't him. I

465
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:49.079
know, so In the mid nineteen
sixties, Ran worked as a custodian at

466
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.639
the Willowbrook State School. I hey, you know they call it her school

467
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.880
because it's definitely not putting him in
the middle of one of the ugliest blights

468
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:01.960
of Staten Islands and Staten Island and
giving him direct as access to mentally ill

469
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.320
and disabled children. In nineteen seventy
Ran reportedly pleaded guilty to assaulting a nine

470
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:13.119
year old Bronx girl and paroled in
nineteen seventy two. In the same year,

471
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:21.760
a young Araldo Guevera Rivera filmed an
expose on building number six of Willowbrook

472
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.519
Institution. Institution makes more sense at
school, I would beg to differ,

473
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:32.079
but institution and Eraldo Rivera is an
infamous mustache douche bag in my opinion,

474
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:40.599
which had formerly housed a large group
of mentally mental patients. What he found

475
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:47.320
was deeply disturbing to the public.
This building had been filled with severely neglected

476
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:58.400
children living in very disturbing conditions,
poopy pp everywhere, naked naked children running

477
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:02.199
around slinging their poop at each other
through some sort of monkey. After filming

478
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:08.239
in the institution, Rivera noted The
hardest thing to describe was the institution's smell.

479
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:15.480
It would take until nineteen eighty seven
for willowbrook to shut down after Rivera

480
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.320
exposed what was going on there.
While some patients were transferred to units where

481
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.400
they could be looked after, many
were abandoned without care supervision. It is

482
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:30.199
believed that they simply stayed at the
institution because that's all they knew. And

483
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:37.320
let's bring up this horrifying clip of
goddamn Heraldo Rivera going in. And this

484
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.840
shit is disturbing, to say the
least, so everybody watching be prepared it.

485
00:36:43.360 --> 00:37:00.800
Chelsea couldn't even watched this when I
was watching the doc I first heard

486
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.119
of this big place with the pretty
sounding name because of a call I received

487
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.320
from a member of the Willowbrooks staff, the doctor Michael Wilkins. The doctor

488
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:13.760
invited me to see the conditions he
was talking about, so unannounced and unexpected

489
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.639
by the school administration, we toured
building number six. The doctor had warned

490
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.800
me that it would be bad.
It was horrible. There was one attendant

491
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:28.320
for perhaps fifty severely and profoundly retarded
children lying on the floor, naked and

492
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.440
smeared with their own pieces they were
making a pitiful sound, the kind of

493
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:37.960
mournful wail that it's impossible for me
to forget. This is what it looked

494
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.960
like. This is what it sounded
like. But how can I tell you

495
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:45.280
about the way it smelled. It
smelled of filth, It smelled of disease,

496
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:54.519
and it smelled of death. But
perhaps the governor can defend and explain

497
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:59.599
away the budget cuts for the Department
of Mental Hygiene, and perhaps doctor Miller

498
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:04.400
can explain and defend the filthy,
dehumanizing conditions we found in this and other

499
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.840
buildings, but they won't do it
on this program. What we found and

500
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.440
documented here is a disgrace to all
of us. This place is in the

501
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:14.719
school. It's a dark corner where
we throw children who aren't pretty to look

502
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:30.000
at. It's the big town's leper
colony. We were sitting on both sides

503
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.679
of them, and he started to
cry. He started to cry, and

504
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.719
he said, do you see how
it was? Do you see how it

505
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.760
was? We were victims too,
meaning the attendance, so the people have

506
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:46.159
worked there. He just sat down
and his eyes like rolled and he could

507
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:52.199
started deweling. In the hotel.
We could see what was happening to him,

508
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.719
and it's like you kneel right in
front of them, say it,

509
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.960
tell us the truth. Now,
you know, God will forgive you.

510
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.559
It was so close we thought we
had it, and then he just started

511
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:12.000
the run. He was that way
that whole night, the whole next day,

512
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.000
and he didn't start talking to people
until two or three days later.

513
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:22.440
That is beyond disturbing for everyone listening
that didn't didn't see what we saw.

514
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:27.639
If you've never seen the footage from
Willowbrook, it is like disturbing, beyond

515
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.840
belief. You never like understood how
bad these institutions were at the time.

516
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:37.559
It is completely disturbing. Man,
that one, you know, unfortunate women

517
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:42.440
with their bald head and the way, oh dude, it's like it's a

518
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.559
horror movie. It's like a horror
movie. It is. And like I'm

519
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.760
not again, I'm not like trying
to say the make light to ring,

520
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:53.079
but that shit scares me. It's
like some of the freakiest looking shit is

521
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:58.599
and like it is genuinely I was
as I was like looking at it again,

522
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.840
I was thinking about it, and
I was like, you know,

523
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:04.440
like this really feels like something that
if you told me, oh, this

524
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.800
is like something they made for like
an old school artor movie. I'd be

525
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.000
like, oh, yeah, I
believe it. And and two for the

526
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:16.599
you know to props to Heraldo Harvera. He did expose the Satanist stuff.

527
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.360
I think when he ends up doing
his career was I think a little where

528
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:30.440
like you're just buying into the religious
persecution of people for thinking differently or whatever

529
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:35.480
with the Satanic panic or whatever.
Peoples be like rock music is fucking turn

530
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:40.440
our children to fucking Satanis. But
like what he did expose, especially specifically

531
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.400
with this UH and Saint Asylum and
what they did and how they kept their

532
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:52.360
patients, it was truly disturbing.
It's it's something that sends chills down my

533
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:57.239
spine, and it's doesn't it's not
comfortable to watch this stuff kind of crazy

534
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.559
as well. It took fifteen years
after that point for that place closed down

535
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.119
officially, which is wild. You
have kids literally and who like and these

536
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:09.880
people are severely severely mentally ill and
who knows what they're doing. And then

537
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:15.360
I've heard like staff members are touching
and groping and raping, raping there and

538
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:22.599
doing absurd things to these children that
that are not even aware of their own

539
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.199
surroundings, and then you're conditioning them
more and not giving them help. So

540
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:34.159
meanwhile they're not understanding anything, so
you leave them unhinged, naked, shitting

541
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.800
themselves and then they wonder why it
smells so bad. But at the same

542
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.880
time, right, the people that
were hired there to do that job were

543
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.480
not paid well enough, and there
was and this happens in other asylums,

544
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:51.559
but specifically this one they brought light
to it is they they didn't have enough

545
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.920
staff for the amount of mental patients
that were there, so it caused this

546
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:05.119
disturbing decay of the environment around these
children because people either weren't paid enough they

547
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:08.679
didn't have enough staff, so then
people stopped caring and then they just essentially

548
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:15.880
left these children to die in their
own filth, and it's sad. Another

549
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:23.679
observation of mine is, so they're
saying that that Rand was like severely mentally

550
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.960
ill and have all these issues,
so how did he get a job as

551
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:34.960
a custodian in Willowbrook Because they're like, you're one of them. It's just

552
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.760
very strange because they try to make
it out they were like, oh,

553
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:42.280
you know, Rand had access to
children a job, they notice and all

554
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.519
this and it's like, hold on
a second, though, he didn't just

555
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:46.880
show up one day and start giving
himself a paycheck and like working there,

556
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.400
somebody, somebody had to have interviewed
him or there had to be some sort

557
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.760
of conversation for him to be like
showing up for work or was it that

558
00:42:54.800 --> 00:43:00.880
he was that he was in the
institution beforehand, because nobody talks about that

559
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:02.880
shit. And then they gave them
a job because they're like, ah,

560
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.840
you're mentally fit enough to be able
to try to take care of these kids.

561
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.199
And seeing some of the footage if
people have not seen it, if

562
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.400
you want to see a real life
horror movie, what was going on?

563
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.800
And I'm telling you before they had
cameras in the forties and fifties, this

564
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:25.000
was happening, you know, all
over the world, and it's it's this

565
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:30.280
is why things like eugenics gets brought
up and stuff like that, because it

566
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:37.280
is disturbing to see how we housed
these mentally ill people and there's no really

567
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:44.400
care given. Parents that birthed some
of these people with these mental deficiencies were

568
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.480
then just give them away, let
the system deal with them. Let these

569
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.360
our tax dollars be put into housing
these people without any real care, having

570
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:58.239
minimal staff, and then people like
you all you, they would hire anybody

571
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.719
because most people don't want to do
that job. And then you have somebody

572
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.639
that's some sort of creep, like
a Jimmy savile, that would end up

573
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.440
taking advantage of these mentally ill people
and be like you know, and doing

574
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:15.519
all sorts of disgusting things to children. And it's the disturbing truth that most

575
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:22.480
people don't like to acknowledge. So
the tunnels beneath the institution were a creepy

576
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.960
complex. The Willowbrook State School itself
may have seemed like a portal to hell

577
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.599
for its inhabitants. Robert Kennedy referred
to the institution as a snake pit,

578
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:35.599
but the tunnels beneath the institution would
go on to provide a whole new level

579
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:39.679
of terror for the people of Staten
Island. The Willowbrook Tunnels are set as

580
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:45.079
a hub with spokes that stretch beneath
the grounds, and while in operation,

581
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.119
the tunnels were used as a way
for workers to move around quickly without physically

582
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.320
moving through the hospital. In the
film, they're described as a city under

583
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:57.360
the city. The access tunnels were
necessary while the hospital was up and running,

584
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.400
but after a close many abandoned patients
of former staff members allegedly moved into

585
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:07.199
them below the surface of the institution, Fucking locals. Locals later speculated the

586
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:13.920
cropsy committed acts of Satanism in these
tunnels. I don't know about that,

587
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.599
man. It's very at this time, it's very easy to blame like a

588
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:22.320
Satanists or doing this. Satanists are
the ones that are killing everybody and corrupting

589
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:27.400
the youth or whatever. But it
just seems like, oh, they need

590
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:31.119
a villain, They need a villain
to make sense of. Maybe somebody that

591
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:38.599
was far more intelligent than andre Ran
that committed these acts, that easily had

592
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.800
access to them, because if you
were any intelligent person that preyed on children,

593
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:49.000
I think it would be fairly easy
to manipulate the situation to be able

594
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:53.000
to access these kids. Because yeah, and it doesn't it doesn't look good

595
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.400
for the police department if you come
out and say, look, we have

596
00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:00.559
no fucking clue whoever's doing this or
whatever people are doing this are ahead of

597
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.920
us and like way smarter. And
also I think one of the lead detectives.

598
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.920
He was getting ready to retire,
and I think this was like his

599
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.320
last big case, of course,
and there's a lot of speculation out there,

600
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.599
and this has happened a lot of
times, I think throughout history with

601
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:20.320
cases like this where you know it'll
be a guy's last big break or they

602
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.559
you know they're retiring or something like
that, and they're like, Okay,

603
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:27.440
I want I want to close out
this one. So let's just fucking okay

604
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.480
Tom. Tom had issues with such
an whatever, and we're just gonna like

605
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.280
make Tom the bad guy. Well
that's that's what they do, right,

606
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:39.599
And that's that's the idea of like
you see this all throughout history, As

607
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:43.960
you said, how many how many
true crime cases as we cover have we

608
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:49.519
covered and will cover in the future
that has this exact same thing happen where

609
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:53.480
they need a villain, they need
somebody to rest. The cops are lazy

610
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.440
and look at those dudes like whatever, like we're not I'm not going to

611
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.800
talk to them. They're probably fucking
in the eighties dying at this point or

612
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:07.800
sixties or whatever. But those dudes
were overweight, unhealthy, just slubs of

613
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:15.119
detectives that just making every excuse they
could throughout the documentary to be like,

614
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:22.239
well, this is why he was, this main suspect, the culprit of

615
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.599
these and how many serial killers have
we talked about? How many will we

616
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:30.920
talk about at the end of this
that end up proving that cops do not

617
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:36.360
care. Cops want to find somebody
that they can label most times other than

618
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.239
some but a lot of the detectives
will just latch onto one story, and

619
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:45.440
it might be even their own self
delusion, their own grandiose hubrists that allows

620
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.880
them to be able to do this
stuff, to be like, no,

621
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.000
this is him, I truly believe
this. Look at all the information and

622
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.800
the evidence I found to back this
up, and then their cement in their

623
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.280
beliefs, and then all of a
sudden, that's the culprit and the suspect

624
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.239
that their arrest. Meanwhile the guy
had nothing to do with it. How

625
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.079
many I was gonna say this when
we were talking about when I was researching

626
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.119
this and when I was watching the
documentary, I said to my wife,

627
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.960
I was like, you know,
how many people have been sent to death

628
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.239
row sixty or whatever. The number
is forty to sixty percent. It a

629
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.960
absurd number, A percentage of people
that are on death row that are innocent.

630
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.400
Man, you know. Yeah,
and that's happened and people have been

631
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:31.199
like freed after spending twenty years in
prison. Yeah, falsely. I'm gonna

632
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.719
let you just take it away.
I'll just give my points as we go

633
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.000
through. But I know this stuff
fascinates you, so I'll let you kind

634
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.800
of break down this whole. Yeah. I guess it's it's kind of to

635
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.280
tie into what we've just been talking
about, the idea of like, was

636
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.480
Rand actually guilty or is the real
craps he's still out there. Well,

637
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.280
most of the citizens of Staten Island
believed that Rand was a monster who nabbed

638
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.880
and harmed numerous children. There's a
lot of people who also believe that he

639
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.920
was set up to take the fall. Not only is there no f is

640
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:04.559
evidence tying him to Jennifer's case,
but it's possible that someone else is responsible

641
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.880
for disappearance and passing. However,
he was the last person seen with the

642
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:13.840
girl, and he had a noted
history of related charges. Some criminal scholars

643
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:16.280
believed that Rand was simply the first
person to be arrested, and that by

644
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:21.360
bringing him in quickly, the police
were able to provide closure for the families.

645
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.119
It may be an unkind theory to
the families of the missing children,

646
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:29.559
but it's entirely possible that the real
life crapsy is still wandering Staten Island.

647
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.119
And this is what I said to
like, when I was watching this doc

648
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.679
I was like, they could just
like slap the label on, oh this

649
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:44.559
guy is guilty to just have some
sort of closure or comfort for the people

650
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:49.199
around this area, especially like you
know, the down center girl that supposed

651
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.480
but he took was this loving,
caring person. She was a just this

652
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.920
all around like just everyone loved her
and she just like was this kind of

653
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.400
and I've hear my mother told the
stories and sort of other people that she

654
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:07.880
was just an innocent youth. And
then oh, well this also try to,

655
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:13.440
I don't know, slap this like
label on this guy that is mentally

656
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.840
ill, as he is the sole
reason why she went missing or why all

657
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:23.199
these other people went missing. And
I do believe they plagued on the idea.

658
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:29.800
They plagued the citizens of Staten Island
of this guy looks like a murderer,

659
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:31.280
so he might as well be a
murderer. But what do we know

660
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:35.960
about this shit man. Look at
Ted Bundy, all right, come on,

661
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.480
sexy Ted Bundy. Everyone to fuck
that guy. He's on and is

662
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:44.159
uh. He's in the front of
the courtroom just swaying all the women and

663
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.320
the judge. Judges like, I
like this guy. He's pretty smart.

664
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:51.639
He's got shit together. This guy, this guy knows how to be a

665
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:53.440
lawyer. He even though how the
judge said, tend body, you could

666
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:58.800
be a good lawyer. This is
who the real fucking corporates and murderers usually

667
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:01.679
are. It's people that are far
more intelligent than the justice system, and

668
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:07.039
they seem to understand that. Right. So I find it very sad that

669
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:12.440
this young girl was taken advantage of
by somebody probably that wasn't Andre Rand.

670
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.079
They just needed a boogieman, like
the big bad man in Russia, even

671
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.320
though I don't think Vibrrune's a good
guy. But that's an analogy, right,

672
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:23.360
He's gotta fucking stop the label on
some villain. But like so,

673
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.840
there was like there's been very little
evidence in any of these cases, since

674
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.800
there hasn't in my opinion anyway,
as far as I can tell, there

675
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:37.760
hasn't really been anything overly concrete to
say that it definitely was him, And

676
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:42.360
my question would be, so they've
said, Okay, he suffered from mental

677
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.119
illness, he was a Weirdoh,
he was slow, he was an idiot,

678
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.320
he was that, he was whatever. Now, if he's all those

679
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:54.639
things, right, then how was
he just like having episodes where he was

680
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:59.920
like super genius where he was able
to get rid of all the evidence,

681
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:02.559
do everything, get rid of bodies, like, do all that and then

682
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:07.519
go back to being like retirded I
know, and then and they label him

683
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.199
as that as such enduring throughout the
documentary, and it is true. Listen

684
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:15.360
to me that they they we've seen
that, We've seen them some of the

685
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:22.039
most intellectual serial killers slip up off
of the smallest thing. Right, if

686
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:28.039
he really did commit these murders with
the intellect that the claiming that he has

687
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:32.000
and being an disabled man, he
would have left a trail of evidence.

688
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:37.519
And that's what's absurd to me.
Some of the most ted Bundy, just

689
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:42.119
because I brought him up, has
a he's probably smarter than everybody listening to

690
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.920
this shit. I may not everybody, but the majority of that guy had

691
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:49.119
a fucking an IQ out the fucking
wazoo. The guy was smart based on

692
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:53.400
the what we think of his intellectual
isa IQ, because I think that the

693
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:58.480
IQ basis, you know, is
not really truthful because it's based on the

694
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.519
repetitive schooling system. But we do
know that Ted Buddy was smart, so

695
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:07.760
was even Edmund Kemper. And the
fact that people like that man, if

696
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:12.519
they have this intellectual capability to be
able to manipulate the situation even damer.

697
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.960
And then you're saying that this guy
has the capacity, which we'll get into

698
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:22.800
next, to kidnap all of these
kids without leaving a trail of evidence.

699
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:27.239
Is this is the thing? And
look, I'll play a little bit I

700
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:35.679
guess of Devil's advocate here and give
a couple of quick other points about him.

701
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.559
So apparently his mother had spent time
in an asylum when he was a

702
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:46.159
teenager. He was born in Manhattan
in nineteen forty four. Not much is

703
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.559
known about his childhood, but his
father died when he was only fourteen,

704
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:52.760
and his mother then went on to
spend some time in a mental institution.

705
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:58.239
According to Rand's sister, who remained
anonymous until she was agreed to be interviewed

706
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:02.199
in the documentary, had emotional problems
causing her to spend time in Pilgrim's State

707
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.159
Hospital in Brentwood, New York.
Rand's sister also stated that neither she nor

708
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:13.480
Rand were ever abused in any way
mentally, physically, emotionally by either of

709
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.000
their parents, because I know a
lot of people are like pushing that he

710
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:22.559
was also, now this is a
little bit strange, some of this stuff.

711
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.239
He was first arrested in nineteen sixty
nine for attacking a young girl.

712
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:30.360
On May twenty fifth, nineteen sixty
nine, a then twenty five year old

713
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:35.119
Rand was arrested for the kidnapping and
attempted rape of a nine year old girl

714
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:37.840
in the South Bronx. Police discovered
Rand and the girl in his car,

715
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:43.079
which was parked in a vacant lot. He was charged with an attempted rape,

716
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:46.000
but eventually played guilty the sexual abuse
in nineteen seventy in order to receive

717
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:51.079
a lighter sentence. He served sixteen
months in prison before being paroled in nineteen

718
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:54.760
seventy two. Some speculate he may
have been involved in the disappearance of another

719
00:54:54.840 --> 00:55:02.880
young girl shortly after his release in
nineteen seventy two. And like I said

720
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.559
this whole time, I'm not saying
this guy didn't do it, but I'm

721
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:12.280
saying he would be a very easy
scapegoat to especially if he did do something

722
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:16.719
like this, right, and I'm
sure that he'd I don't know. I

723
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:21.519
can't base it back on the fact
that like they did catch him at least

724
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:25.000
we know with somebody. But then
so then, right, this gets a

725
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:31.199
little bit weirder than in So what
is it like eleven years later in January

726
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:36.239
ninth, nineteen eighty three, So
what's that? Yeah, eleven years later,

727
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:40.760
he picked up eleven kids in the
school bus. The children were at

728
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.599
the Staten Island YMCA when Rand appeared. Rather than returning them to their homes,

729
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:50.039
he kidnapped them for five hours.
He took them to get bargers at

730
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:55.039
White Castle before driving them to Newark
Airport to apparently watch planes land and depart

731
00:55:55.199 --> 00:56:00.679
the airport. He was charged with
unlawful imprisonment, but only spent ten since

732
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:06.320
none of the children were harmed.
See and as bizarre he had the opportunity

733
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:08.800
to like kidnap a bunch of kids
and drive him to god knows where and

734
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:20.039
realistically to play. He was like
pretty casual about the whole time. He

735
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.639
didn't seem like from what I could
like find out about it, he didn't

736
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:30.679
seem like overly concerned about like what
he had done, Like when when the

737
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.519
cops got him. You know,
he didn't seem to be like, you

738
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.079
know, I think they were like, dude, what the fuck you just

739
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:40.039
took eleven kids and just like disappeared. But if you have I think he

740
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:45.199
was like, if you have the
mental uh cap the menal capacity of a

741
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:50.119
child, and you were like,
you know, what would they these kids

742
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.039
love doing? Because I also think, like a kid, they would love

743
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:58.159
to get some burgers White Castle.
I've never had White Castle from that movie.

744
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.480
It sounds good. You know,
if a mentally ill drooling man wanted

745
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:07.679
to take me to White Castle and
paid for my meal, I might go

746
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:09.599
along with him. You know,
there it will see this is the other

747
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:16.639
thing, right, without trying to
sound like stupid, but like no,

748
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:23.079
I'm talking about what I'm about to
say. If I were, for some

749
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:29.000
reason to get a notion that I
want to start abducting kids or like kidnapping

750
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.840
kids or whatever, the last thing
I would do is collect them in a

751
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:37.719
school bus, bring them to a
really popular fast food chain restaurant, and

752
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:44.360
then bring him to a fucking airport, because even in nineteen eighty, fucking

753
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:49.400
three airports would have been like one
of the more highly guarded places you could

754
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.199
have went. It's not like an
Afterno, it's not like it's still there's

755
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.639
still tons of people there. Well, yeah, what I'm saying is like,

756
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.480
if you're gonna abduct kids, you're
not going to go to a super

757
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:04.199
busy airport to be like, I
want as many people as possible to see

758
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:09.280
me in a very in a very
obvious, big yellow school bus, like

759
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:14.039
you're misfrizzal taking your kids. It's
like it said today, we're not gonna

760
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:19.239
go into the body of a lizard
or we're not gonna become flowers. We're

761
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.639
gonna go get some burgers and get
blested at airport. And you know what,

762
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.320
Right, It's really strange because in
both in the documentary and I don't

763
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:32.679
think it was I don't think it
was a fault of Josh or Barber who

764
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:37.480
made the documentary. It was more
to people, the detectives and stuff,

765
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:39.159
who were involved in the case.
I think dude, either it was more

766
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:43.239
at fault. They just glossed over
it though they were like, oh yeah,

767
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:45.119
he kidnapped eleven kids in nineteen eighty
three, and that was it.

768
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:51.199
Yeah, Doc, they didn't explain
any of that shit. Yeah, it's

769
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:53.440
like, hold on though, he
left out the part that he brought them

770
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:58.159
to a fast food restaurant and he
brought them to a fucking airport and didn't

771
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.679
try to do anything. He's like, realistically, you know what I like.

772
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:06.639
I like burgers and planes. Planes
make me happy. I have the

773
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:10.239
fucking mental capacity of a child.
So I'm gonna get these kids, you

774
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:14.440
know what they need. They've been
at school all day, and in his

775
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:16.840
mind is probably what they're thinking.
Who knows right that I'm gonna take them

776
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:21.840
to go get some food something that
I enjoy eating, and then go watch

777
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:25.880
planes. And if there was no
evidence that he tried to touch or molest

778
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:30.440
these kids, then how can you
brush over that aspect of it? And

779
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:36.679
you saw throughout the dock that all
the witnesses that claim that he's that he

780
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:40.360
was seeing uh with what's her name, Jennifer? I think that Yeah,

781
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:45.360
the Jennifer Swagner, Schwigner whatever,
I'm not going to pronounce it properly,

782
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:52.519
the down syndrome, little girl.
Uh, it just it doesn't make it

783
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:57.920
doesn't make sense, man, because
like he had all the opportunity to be

784
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:00.719
able to do something to these people. And then when when you see the

785
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:04.320
witnesses, they're all like, the
way he looked, it's the way he

786
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.719
looks. He looked like a scary
guy. And the one shit that on

787
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:10.119
the dock that was like, he
was wearing a mask. I saw him

788
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.519
with so and so and her,
and he was wearing a mask. And

789
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.000
it's like, how do you know
it was him? If he was wearing

790
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:21.400
a mask, how do you know
for sure that it was him? I

791
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:24.119
don't know. Everything seems contradictory.
And when you see the eyewitness testimonies of

792
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:28.719
these people that are outside the court
or whatever, they all seem to be

793
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:32.119
like, he looked scary, it's
probably him. He looked like a scary

794
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:36.639
guy. I think there is a
lot of that. And like, look,

795
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:38.440
maybe back in that ear if both
of us had have been in that

796
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:42.719
area, we might have been susceptible
to it. I would have been I'd

797
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.480
be like, you know, the
pitchfork, you know the idea of what's

798
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:50.719
happening. Everybody's jumping on that story, and maybe you kind of get caught

799
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:52.000
up in it as well and say
the same thing and kind of go along

800
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:54.320
with it, be like, oh, yeah, I also think I saw

801
01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:58.440
him on that corner that day,
and oh I definitely saw him in a

802
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.280
car, and you can't I saw
him drag someone off the street. What

803
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:06.599
do we know from true crime cases? Right? Especially ones with I?

804
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.320
Eventually I wanted to do an episode
and I had it written out at some

805
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:15.400
point about convictions, wrongly convicted people. There's a lot to that if you

806
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:17.960
actually look into it, that so
many people throughout history and throughout certain crime

807
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:24.000
cases were wrongly convicted, some even
sentenced to death based on eyewitness reports that

808
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:28.480
were fraudulent. I always bring up
the story that I learned in law class

809
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:35.039
of this guy was on vacation with
his wife in Florida. Someone who ran

810
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.280
up and shot his wife in the
head, a black man with U and

811
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:44.320
she took her purse. And then
the cops picked the husband up and he

812
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.000
was frantic and they're like, can
you point the guy out? Da?

813
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:51.440
Da da, And he saw the
very first black kid that he saw and

814
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:53.679
then point out him and was like, he's the murderer. He killed my

815
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:58.519
wife. Come to find out This
was a sixteen year old boy that just

816
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:02.559
had enough money to get some candy
from the corner store, and he was

817
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.280
almost sentenced to death. Luckily,
I think he got out. But this

818
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.760
has happened before. There's an infamous
case of a black boy being convicted of

819
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:13.199
raping a white woman, a white
woman, and then he got He was

820
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:19.679
one of the youngest people to be
fried alive using the he got killed executed.

821
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:23.079
He was executed in the frying chair. This young boy that claim they

822
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:25.880
all claim that he like, you
know, rape some white women. It

823
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:30.840
wasn't true, wasn't true. And
this happened so many especially to which is

824
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:37.079
sad to black people throughout history,
especially black males that were convicted of stuff

825
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.840
they never did, just because a
guy was like, that's him. Even

826
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:46.719
though your memory is foggy, it's
so quick that you can never trust eyewitnesses.

827
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:50.679
I'm telling you that right now.
Their memories become skewed. If you

828
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.000
study law, it's very true.
And also if you look at any interrogation

829
01:02:54.079 --> 01:03:00.719
footage for any extended period of time, sometimes without maybe there's even times I

830
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:04.599
think where police don't even realize they're
doing it, but they're nearly coercing you

831
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.920
into a narrative, you know what
they'll you know, it's like, oh

832
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.760
you've seen him? Did you see
him with a mask? And the person's

833
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:13.559
like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they had a mask. Yeah.

834
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:15.079
Did you see him in like a
black jeep? Yeah, yeah,

835
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:17.800
it's a black jep. Get Brandon
Dacy Man. The fact they're like,

836
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:21.719
you like wrestling, oh yeah,
yeah, I love kne the Undertaker.

837
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:23.639
It's like, you know, little
little air and sitting in that scene and

838
01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:27.840
there you go, right, and
he like obviously he was mentally challenged,

839
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.920
even Steven Avery. I don't know
where people say on Witter Steven Avery was

840
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:35.360
guilty or not, but that entire
family were all like mentally challenged in some

841
01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:37.199
way they were. And then I
and then for him to back did you

842
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:42.239
see him burn her body? Teresa
Haulbuck? Did you see him do it?

843
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:44.480
Yeah? Yeah, you know,
And eventually I think it would be

844
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:47.519
probably worth it to cover it on
this show, uh, because I do

845
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:52.119
find it fascinating because they're all the
there's these weird indiscrepancies and they just and

846
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:57.400
cops do this where they're like he's
our man, Like how many people they

847
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:02.000
like? Uh? Is very soon
we're going to be covering the co ed

848
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.880
killer Edmund Kemper. But I want
to make sure. I want to get

849
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.000
a bunch of clips. I want
to do this justice. But he was

850
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.159
cool with the cops. They thought
he was cool. They didn't realize it

851
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:14.519
was fucking him for how long?
And this guy's like hanging around with them,

852
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:16.159
being like, you know, it's
old Eddie being a weirdo. And

853
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:21.840
then meanwhile he was the crporate of
all these murders that they were investigating,

854
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:25.840
and he was staying right beside them, swigging a beer with them. Again,

855
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:31.440
another super charismatic, intelligent person.
And it kind of ties into something

856
01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:34.719
else that I had found. And
again like, you have to take all

857
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:40.039
this stuff at face value. It's
all secondhand information, and I say so.

858
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:43.639
Apparently, according to some of the
people that Rand was housed with in

859
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:48.559
prison, he had bragged about his
similarities to serial killer Ted Bundy. Rand

860
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:53.679
had apparently claimed to have said,
you know, me and Ted are like

861
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:58.559
in many ways. We both used
Volk wagons. Bundy's thing was women m

862
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:01.840
thing as kids. Do you think
the police could figure that out? RAN's

863
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:10.119
defense attorney, Dwayne Felton later described
these statements as nothing more than pretentious prison

864
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:15.559
boasting on his client's behalf. But
they always do. That's strange. It's

865
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.719
strange that his attorney, though,
didn't say, oh, that's that's like

866
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:21.480
lies. He didn't say any of
that. It's weird that he said.

867
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:25.800
No, he did say it,
but it's just like he was boasting to

868
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:29.400
other How do we know if that's
true? Listen, you could be like

869
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.079
Jerry in the cell next over,
be like, yo, we'll give you

870
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:36.519
five cartons of cigarettes if you say
that this is what he was saying.

871
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:42.119
So here, here's something that's happened. And I can't remember the exact case

872
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:45.320
I'm thinking of right now in my
head, but there has been situations where

873
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:53.920
they have pulled like fellow inmates and
whatever out and they've been told you'll get

874
01:05:53.920 --> 01:06:00.159
a reduced sentence if this is the
story did he? Or in my and

875
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:02.159
even tell him like you've got to
say this, but they might say he

876
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:05.639
told you that he murdered those kids, didn't he? And then the dude

877
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.159
will go yeah, and then they'll
say, okay, well, if you

878
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:13.320
testify in court, you'll get fifteen
years knocked off your sentence. And it's

879
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.920
anybody's going to take that one hundred
percent. And the thing is, kay,

880
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.719
say just let's get conspiracy minded when
it comes to this, K if

881
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:24.920
you had something a true crime event, something that happened I don't know,

882
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.199
maybe recently, like the Robert Picton
thing because he has like day parole or

883
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.840
whatever. Right, the guy from
Vancouver that murdered you know, hookers,

884
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:34.800
I fed them to his pigs.
Meanwhile, it's really weird that Nickel Black

885
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:39.679
played there and then Trudeau has a
connection to that and going to hang out

886
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.639
that farm, and the RCMP seem
to have covered it up. So then

887
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:46.239
you do this thing where you need
you need to say even if you had

888
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:51.679
some case that some maybe important people
were involved, you know, Jeffrey Epstein

889
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:56.239
type stuff, and then you need
you need a fall guy. You need

890
01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:00.679
a victim, you need an Oswald, You need someone to take the fall

891
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:04.440
for something that the CIA or the
FBI or some of these organizations that the

892
01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:09.480
letter agencies have done. So you
need to convince people that this is your

893
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:12.639
man. And the thing is that
people have to clue into. And this

894
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:15.480
is why I like doing covering a
lot of these episodes is because psychology is

895
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:19.599
a very important issue when it comes
to these episodes and how the human brain

896
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:24.239
works. Now you can convince them, you know what, Like realistically,

897
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:27.159
the Ted Bundy case, as we
brought up many times, he played his

898
01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:32.079
own lawyer. He was literally convincing
people that he was justified in his actions,

899
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:35.719
and some throughout the court case there
was people that believed he was like

900
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:41.159
innocent, just based on his charismatic, intelligent responses to a lot of the

901
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:44.000
stuff that they were presenting in the
court system. And then the fact that

902
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:45.840
they even let him do that is
wild. But I just want to get

903
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:51.639
that point across is remember psychologically,
they can manipulate people to believe whatever they

904
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:55.840
want. And if the cops just
want to end the case and they are

905
01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:59.199
getting a bonus, oh, we'll
give you a bonus based on this if

906
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.119
you close this case. We have
you know, one hundred and five cases

907
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:04.960
that are still open. If you
close five of them by the end of

908
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:10.119
this year, we will give you
a bonus. And I'm sure stuff this

909
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:13.719
stuff happens all the time, okay, And that's why you have cops that

910
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.520
leave They want obedient, dumb fox
to be cops. In a lot of

911
01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:21.560
the cases there's David actually talking about
this recently. They want psychopaths, narcissistic

912
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:27.319
psychopaths to be cops because the low
IQ people that just don't give a shit

913
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:31.199
and will follow what they're told.
And also, you know, you have

914
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:38.359
to remember as well, they've been
able to manipulate and brainwash pretty intelligent people.

915
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:42.680
So there it would be if they
can do it here like every day,

916
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:47.199
like you know, average intelligence or
higher intelligence person, they can do

917
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:51.560
it to somebody who's you know,
suffering from some sort of like mental illness

918
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:56.800
or is a little bit slower or
whatever. He was, so apparently,

919
01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:59.880
like again, this kind of ties
into another thing that you said. Eyewitness

920
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:03.600
testimonies said that he was seen holding
hands with Jennifer the day she disappeared.

921
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:09.239
However, the jury was unable to
reach a verdict on a first three murder

922
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:13.800
charge due to lack of evidence.
They did, however, find him guilty

923
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:18.600
of kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment, which
earned him twenty five years to life.

924
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:23.760
He was sentenced in nineteen eighty nine
and would have been eligible for parole in

925
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:28.359
two thousand and eight had he not
been charged for another kidnapping decades later.

926
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:32.560
In two thousand and two, kidnapping
charges were brought against him in relation to

927
01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:38.159
the nineteen eighty one disappearance of another
young girl, Holly Anne Hughes, who

928
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:41.800
was a seven year old Staten Island
resident who had been last seen purchasing a

929
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:45.319
bar of soap at a local store
on July fifteenth. Although again you see,

930
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:50.680
although witnesses had seen Rand's Volkswagen driving
around the area, there hadn't been

931
01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:55.439
enough evidence to charge Round with kidnapping
Hughes, whose body was never found.

932
01:09:55.880 --> 01:10:01.119
Police reinvestigated the case in nineteen ninety
eight and eventually found enough evidence to charge

933
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.560
him, and he was found guilty
of kidnapping her and was sentenced to another

934
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:08.600
twenty five years to life in two
thousand and four. He would have been

935
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:15.479
ninety three years old when he's eligible
for parole in twenty thirty seven. Wow,

936
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:17.880
he'll be dead by then. And
it's just like, I don't know,

937
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:20.239
it just seems a bit like fucking
it's a bit of a reach,

938
01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:23.279
like and I think it has a
lot to do with what you said where

939
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:26.079
it's like we need to close this
and we need to find this like so

940
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:30.520
called boogeyman, so like the community
and everybody believes in the police again,

941
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:32.600
and you know, we clear all
this up and we'll just like forget about

942
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:39.399
it. And especially I think when
there's what you've got five six disappearances altogether,

943
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.119
and they probably can't figure any of
them out. They don't know if

944
01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:45.199
they're related, they don't know if
it's multiple people, they don't know.

945
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:47.680
So it's like, Okay, let's
just find one person and blame all of

946
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.479
them on him, and that clears
up all the cases. So like they

947
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:55.199
closed what five six cases all in
one go, And it is sad too

948
01:10:55.239 --> 01:11:00.000
to do with like, because that's
all that they've done this before many times

949
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:06.600
times where they want to find a
specific suspect or culprit for these murders and

950
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:12.520
connectic because especially at the time when
serial killers were hot, so to speak,

951
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:15.039
and they were there were serial killers
all over the United States, and

952
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:18.680
then you start to look into i
don't know, maybe the people that were

953
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:24.399
involved that you wouldn't like to be
involved, people within your community. I'm

954
01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:30.640
very skeptical about what we're being told
about certain true crime cases, just because

955
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:35.960
I've dug a lot into the idea
of that they're used for some sort of

956
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:41.000
ritualistic murder, and that goes into
the very dark conspiracy aspect of this.

957
01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:46.399
But they just need a face to
convince the public that this is the person

958
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:51.960
that you need to hold contempt for
and that we need to stay that needs

959
01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:58.680
to be locked up. Meanwhile,
the dude is say some rich aristocrat dude

960
01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:02.840
that is important in the community that
is doing this right. Like, the

961
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:06.239
thing is, this guy is like
the easiest guy you can blame to do

962
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:11.520
this shit. Oh, some creepy
guy that also worked there that has a

963
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:15.560
mental is mentally handicapped, and they've
just here, will give him some of

964
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:17.920
these drugs. You have to take
these drugs, and they the purp walk

965
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:23.439
that they had with him is fucking
bizarre. He's like drooling and mentally fucking

966
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:26.800
he came and think he came.
Look at in that cop car that footage

967
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:30.600
when he's in the cop car and
he's just like slumped over like they had

968
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:31.840
to like walk him, and he's
like, I don't know. It seems

969
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:35.920
like they put that he's on something. They gave him medication. It's like

970
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:40.840
so hindsight. They keep saying like, oh, we always knew he was

971
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:42.840
a bit of a weird home.
We always knew that he'd done this,

972
01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.119
and he done that, and he
was always a creep and blah blah blah.

973
01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:48.479
All the community seemed to know and
all the police knew. And I'm

974
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:51.520
like, okay, so that's the
case. Then if everyone was so sure

975
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:57.000
that this guy was such a big
danger, why was he allowed to live

976
01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:01.279
in like campsites out on like the
old mental house middle grounds and be free

977
01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:09.159
going around. He's also a suspect
in at least three other missing person cases.

978
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:13.640
There are three other unsolved cases that
Andrew Rand is believed to be involved

979
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:17.159
in. The first record in nineteen
seventy two, when five year old Alice

980
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:23.640
Pereira went missing from her Staten Island
apartment building southeast of Willowbrook. Rand had

981
01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:27.439
just been released from prison and was
working as a painter in the apartment building

982
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:31.920
when Pereira disappeared. Though Rand was
questioned by police, he was released due

983
01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:36.399
to lack of evidence. On the
August fourteenth, to nineteen eighty three,

984
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:47.079
ten year old Tahees Tahisei Jackson went
missing after leaving the Mariners Harbor Motel on

985
01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:53.319
Staten Island twelve days earlier. Rand
had been released from prison. After completing

986
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:57.880
his sentence for the school bus kidnapping. As with Alice, Rand was questioned

987
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:02.000
by authorities again, but there was
also not enough evidence to press any charges.

988
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:09.239
The third case in which Rand was
a suspect was that of Hank Cafiro

989
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:14.800
Caro Sure. Hank was a mentally
disabled twenty two year old man who was

990
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:20.039
last seen apparently ranned by eyewitnesses.
The two apparently were seen eating in a

991
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:26.039
diner together in nineteen eighty four,
and Hank was never seen again. Maybe

992
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:28.960
they were just friends, man,
Maybe he had nothing to do with his

993
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:31.279
disappearance and they were just I'm not
fucking this guy could one hundred percent be

994
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:36.520
some sort of murderous maniac that is
unhinged and doesn't have the mental capacity to

995
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:40.039
But I'm always like, where are
the bodies go? Then he can't be

996
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:44.119
that smart to be like That's what
I'm saying, Like, unless the only

997
01:14:44.199 --> 01:14:48.960
other option here is he is the
smartest serial leader we have ever. You

998
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:55.960
know what It's like, You're a
scary movie every went and at the end

999
01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:00.159
he's like the fucking genius. He
like rips off the fucking mustache and it's

1000
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.520
into that fucking hot sports car and
he starts driving away and off the Doofy

1001
01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:08.279
reporting for duty, and then like
everyone thinks that he's some sort of retard,

1002
01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:11.960
Sorry for the but that that at
this time, yes, so they

1003
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:15.159
its retardations or how they claimed it. But even in that movie they joked

1004
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.560
about that that you know, Dewey's
a retard or Doofy and then he gets

1005
01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:20.840
way with it at the end.
So I don't fucking it'd be very funny

1006
01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:25.359
if that's not funny, but bizarre
if that was the way it was set

1007
01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:30.359
up. But then you start to
see all these aspects too of uh the

1008
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:36.359
homeless problem around uh this area,
and the Satanist ship which they always want

1009
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:41.600
to bring up to it's very fire
with always like you know, Sitanist going

1010
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:45.640
in there and summoning Lucifer, and
uh, you know, but I I

1011
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:51.399
can't trust that this is accurate information
in anyway about about this whole situation.

1012
01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:59.680
It all seems like they needed somebody
to play the the victim essentially to fall

1013
01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:03.920
God. And you know the easiest
one to do is that we just hop

1014
01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:09.560
this guy on that looks like a
creepy pedophile and we just make him drool

1015
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:15.359
in front of the court and and
show everyone this this depiction of this horrible,

1016
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:20.159
mentally ill man. Uh And it
definitely seems like that they were trying

1017
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:26.000
to do. Yeah, now there's
other things, like he didn't really help

1018
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:30.520
himself. On Mother's Day twenty eleven, he sent an unsettling handwritten note to

1019
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:34.800
a local newspaper. In the letter, the then sixty seven year old Rand

1020
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:45.479
wished all the ladies on Staten Island
who supported prose pross, I don't know,

1021
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:53.800
prosecution, vindictiveness, persecution, vagativeness
weird, that's weird against an innocent

1022
01:16:53.880 --> 01:17:00.399
person. He wished all the ladies
on Staten Island who supported par secution vindictiveness

1023
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.760
against an in some person, happy
motors they. He went on to say

1024
01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:08.640
that if he could afford to,
he would give them seeds to plant rolls,

1025
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:12.640
bushes in honor of his forgiveness.
He also talked about the spirit of

1026
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:15.520
God that had guided him on his
entire life's path. I must not gonna

1027
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:19.000
say a different type of seed,
like he's some fucking Jeffrey Epstein shit.

1028
01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:21.600
It's it's like, you know,
I'll give you my seed if you want

1029
01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:29.560
to spread it around the earth like
well, and if he's doing like,

1030
01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:31.960
you know, he's not mentally stable, and he's like, you know,

1031
01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:38.359
the the vindictiveness. So essentially it's
it's what he's claiming. And then I'm

1032
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:42.960
like, so they're saying he has
this horrible he's not smart, he is

1033
01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:47.760
has a he's mentally handicapped, right, But then he's using words like the

1034
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:53.920
vindict like the persecution, like vindictiveness, where essentially is like that you're being

1035
01:17:54.000 --> 01:18:00.439
persecuted because of some vindictive Yeah you
know what I mean, like that somebody's

1036
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:06.760
angry about you and they believe that
you are the soul. You're the villain

1037
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:11.880
in this situation, you are the
sole perpetrator of yea, and everybody's just

1038
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:15.039
like jumped on the bandwagon. And
then for you to use those that type

1039
01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:18.800
of terminology when you didn't have that, when you're not that intelligent to begin

1040
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:25.000
with, seems like you could have
the cops write this ship and or coerce

1041
01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:27.560
him to do it. This is
this is the thing though, Right,

1042
01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:30.560
So there's a couple of things here. Right, So either we're completely like

1043
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:33.640
this is all a ruse. This
dude is one of the most clever,

1044
01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:41.800
as we said, which would be
a crazy plot twist or that thing was

1045
01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:45.600
written and you know the cops are
like here signed that or write this or

1046
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:49.279
whatever, because you don't know like
he like obviously, if you know mentally

1047
01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:54.960
ill children were being abused in the
way they were in Willowbrook, there's nothing

1048
01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:58.680
to say when he was in prison
that he wasn't being fucking tortured and like

1049
01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:03.720
all sorts of crazy it. Also, I'm pretty sure anybody could have written

1050
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:10.600
that note. The newspaper could have
made up the fucking note to sell papers.

1051
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:14.960
Yeah, one d percent sensationalism.
Sensationalism. That's like I could I

1052
01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:17.000
could say that right now, like
I could say, oh, me and

1053
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:23.479
Tom, we got a letter from
fucking Andre Rand because he heard the podcast,

1054
01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:27.079
and here's what he said. He
said he committed all the murders and

1055
01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:30.239
he done it. Ha ha ha, He's a genus. And then have

1056
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:32.439
no proof of no sorcer, no
wedding. You just get to just say

1057
01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:35.640
it and then that's it, I
know. And that's where everything that we've

1058
01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:41.960
seen throughout true crime cases can be
manipulated. Even the way that we talked

1059
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:45.439
about Berkowitzer earlier. I got thinks
he's like a Christian shit. Now,

1060
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:48.119
it's like I have fucking repented to
all my sense Jesus Christ, and so

1061
01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:53.720
like, these people can be swayed
and manipulated. And I do believe if

1062
01:19:53.720 --> 01:20:00.840
they wanted to convey a a guilt
with with Andre Rin and really convinced the

1063
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:03.039
public that after all these years,
after all these questions, that he was

1064
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:08.920
the one that was the sole perpetrator
of these crimes and the people that are

1065
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:13.760
missing, it would be easy to
suade the public opinion by writing a letter.

1066
01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:16.199
And this is why you start to
if I started to question stuff like

1067
01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:21.239
the idea that a lot of serial
killers were involved in cults. And eventually

1068
01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:26.000
we haven't gotten to like Gary Ridgeway
and like some of the people that we

1069
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:29.800
will eventually dive into on the show
that I might We're just kind of brushing

1070
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:33.119
the surface. There's gonna be some
some of the more infamous killers coming up,

1071
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:35.720
and I would like to do with
you and Billy at some point very

1072
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:41.439
soon. There's two specific ones that
we already mentioned, but just because it

1073
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:44.600
would be a fascinating take to see
us break it down, Billy with this

1074
01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:49.760
comedic relief and then us really analyzing
it from the outside in because I don't

1075
01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:56.039
trust either of the information that we're
being displayed because it could be manipulated.

1076
01:20:56.399 --> 01:20:59.680
The cops can be saying one thing
or another. You could have a seasoned

1077
01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:02.359
cop being like, you know,
this is exactly how When I was there,

1078
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:05.279
he's a grizzled guy with his cigarette
and he's like, you know,

1079
01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:10.199
it seems all accurate. But then
he's also being paid to say this to

1080
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:13.760
make sure that it's convicted, because
they actually know who the killer really is.

1081
01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:17.439
You know, you don't fucking know. This is the thing I guess

1082
01:21:17.439 --> 01:21:24.680
to kind of touch on, like
the tail end of the story. Yeah,

1083
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:27.560
there's a little bit at the end
of the documentary and stuff. I

1084
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:30.359
feel like they don't focus on a
huge amount, but they definitely mention it,

1085
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:34.520
just because I think it is another
important aspect of the story that's been

1086
01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:43.159
brought up. We're gonna get that
the whole like just that whole idea of

1087
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:48.279
like the Satanic thing, and you
know, there's there's one big theory there.

1088
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:50.800
And actually I had seen a couple
of I looked up a couple of

1089
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:58.640
different things. So the guy that
made this, Josh Seeman, he's done

1090
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:02.319
a lot of amas on and stuff
like that where people ask him questions and

1091
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:06.359
and things like that, not just
about not just about Cropsy, about all

1092
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:11.119
his other documentaries and stuff that he's
made as well. But there was a

1093
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:15.800
guy I found on there who said
that he had went to the one of

1094
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:19.039
the like premieres of Cropsy back in
two thousand and eight or whatever it was

1095
01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:25.760
at some film festival, and he
watched it with Barbara and Josh and afterwards

1096
01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:30.439
he was able to talk to them
like about the movie or whatever, and

1097
01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:36.439
he said that he noted at the
time, there's a part where that there's

1098
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:43.159
a detective in it, right,
and he's he's like super charpy throughout the

1099
01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:47.199
whole thing, and he's kind of
like kind of joky and smiley about everything

1100
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:53.159
and seems quite sure of like everything
he's saying. And then they ask him

1101
01:22:53.199 --> 01:23:02.840
about the devil worship and stuff like
that in Willowbrook and those air and instantly,

1102
01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:05.800
and I don't know, look,
maybe it's just something he was like,

1103
01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:10.359
I don't know, doing as a
fucking gimmick or something, but instantly

1104
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:16.680
his whole demeanor changes, and someone
who was previously throughout the whole documentary answering

1105
01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:21.560
every question with some form of like
happiness, Like he seemed happy to be

1106
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:26.079
able to answer all these questions about
the case. Yeah, as soon as

1107
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:30.560
they started to ask him about like
the Satanic shit and devil worship and like

1108
01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:32.840
groups getting together in the woods,
he instantly goes, I don't want to

1109
01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:35.159
talk about that. Well if you
think about it, because I was just

1110
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:40.479
gonna talk about the whole building and
how it is very creepy and the energy

1111
01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:45.880
that would be housed there, and
like, realistically, right, we know

1112
01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:49.359
that Satan worshipers and people that do
worship Satan and want to call on people

1113
01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:54.960
like Ball or Baphomet do actually go. This has actually kind of worked out

1114
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:59.800
perfectly. I'm wearing my looks like
I have double hordes right now. But

1115
01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:08.199
they do use these sites of turmoil, places that have a residency of pain

1116
01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:12.640
and horrible things happen there to gain
energy. Because you think about when I

1117
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.800
was watching the doc and I skipped
through some of the stuff because I remembered

1118
01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:18.359
the doctor when they're going through the
building, and it would be so creepy.

1119
01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:21.520
I'm sure bring out a Wuiji ward
or like a spe of bucks.

1120
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:26.720
The energy there would be spooky.
But the thing is if it already was

1121
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:30.479
a place where people and they sent
mentally handicapped kids to go and die.

1122
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:36.680
And if you went there and you
were a Satan worshiper and you did want

1123
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:42.359
to invoke demons, you would make
it a thousand times worse. You would,

1124
01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:45.039
like if you were invoking some sort
of dark force that existed and maybe

1125
01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:48.039
fed off the energy there, because
for sure, I believe that there is

1126
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:54.560
very dark entities that exist outside of
our eyesight that fuel off this energy of

1127
01:24:54.640 --> 01:25:00.439
negativity and chaos and sexual energy and
repression and all sorts of shit. And

1128
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:02.560
I do think they use us as
some sort of food source. And if

1129
01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:08.600
you were to like invoke some sort
of demonic uh entity to come out in

1130
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:13.760
these certain places, you would curse
that land in that that structure, uh

1131
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.600
forever. And I do think that
it is a possibility that there was some

1132
01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:21.600
some you know, even kids,
man, even kids, even Satan worshippers

1133
01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:25.960
that are kids that think it's fucking
cool to do this ship and they go

1134
01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:30.239
and then they can invoke something that
could never be reversed, you know,

1135
01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:36.039
yeah, for sure. And I
I think as well, there was a

1136
01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:45.279
particular mention of is it the what
are they called the is it the Process

1137
01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:48.960
charge, Yeah, that's I think
that's who Gary Ridgeway is connected to.

1138
01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:57.920
And it was fucking thing me some
of Sam does uh involved in that,

1139
01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:01.720
And like they had a the like
New York branch of the Process Church or

1140
01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:10.279
whatever had that offshoot thing, the
children or whatever. It was, that

1141
01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:15.079
like separate culty thing the God that
has nothing to do with the Process Church,

1142
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:20.319
right they they There's a lot of
mention. And I don't know whether

1143
01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:24.439
it's just rumors or people just tie
to, you know, try and tie

1144
01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:28.640
the two together. But there was
a lot of like mention of that sort

1145
01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:33.640
of stuff. And the guy,
this guy on read now again this could

1146
01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:35.920
be all bullshit, un read it. But the guy was like, you

1147
01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:40.279
know, after the screen and I
got the chance to talk to the couple

1148
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:43.359
who made the movie and whatever,
and he was like, I had I

1149
01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:47.000
had it in my mind, in
particular that scene where the detective seems to

1150
01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:53.760
just change his entire demeanor. Yeah, when he's asked about the the Process

1151
01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:55.800
Church and stuff like that. He
was like, I just found it really

1152
01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:59.319
jarring. And all of a sudden
he went from like really enjoying answer and

1153
01:26:59.359 --> 01:27:01.520
everything to like, no, we're
not going to talk about that. We're

1154
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:04.359
just going to leave that one.
Well, it's because they forget about that.

1155
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:08.720
It's funny how a lot of the
cult aspects of things, uh,

1156
01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:13.560
cops don't want to talk about,
especially certain detectives that maybe stumbled upon things.

1157
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:16.079
Then you're like, oh, this
judge is part of this, this

1158
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:23.079
cult. Oh this this the my
police chief seems to make frequent visiteds uh

1159
01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:27.760
visits to the these cult. The
cult place practices are places that take place.

1160
01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:30.600
You would be surprised, like,
what do we know, man,

1161
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.600
what do we know about? What
Richard Ramire said? Man David I talked

1162
01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:38.319
about this ship Richard Ramirez when he
was in his holding a salon and he

1163
01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:42.800
was in jail. He talked about
how Satanists are not just some kids in

1164
01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:46.319
a backyard or going to a graveyard. Uh, sacrificing ghosts, that's that

1165
01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:50.920
is a part of it. And
in the movie Spawn when they see those

1166
01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:56.239
kids like try to sacrifice that skull
and they're like fucking rejects. Uh,

1167
01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.560
you know, there's people that definitely
do that stuff. But we do we

1168
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:04.000
do know that. What Richardmuir said
was it's judges, it's politicians, it's

1169
01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:09.600
people within power. And now that
I've gone down this crazy rabbit hole of

1170
01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:13.720
all the stuff that I've been reading
and researching, it is your people in

1171
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:17.520
power, your governments are Satanists.
That's true. They they you may not

1172
01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:25.720
believe it. A guy was arrested
for fucking destroying a Satanic fit whatever it

1173
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:30.720
was that that that statue, that
satanic statue in Oregon or wherever it was.

1174
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:34.880
And the guy was a Christian veteran
and saw that in one of the

1175
01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:40.079
capitol buildings, one of the Congress, like a government building, and destroy

1176
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:44.439
it. And he's being arrested for
like hate crime stuff. But then you

1177
01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:47.880
can have all these communistic youth that
have been brainwashed by Karl Marx, the

1178
01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:53.760
guy that believed he was possessed by
a fucking demon, tearing down statues of

1179
01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:56.960
people they believed were slave owners and
they may have been, or people that

1180
01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:00.760
were colonizers. But then it's like
that should always drives me crazy too,

1181
01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:03.880
because the idea of like, oh, these people that you claim colonized this

1182
01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:08.239
or did that, you live in
that country, You're part of it.

1183
01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:11.880
The reason that you have a fucking
cell phone and why you were able to

1184
01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:15.159
go to work and have a job
and have a house is because some of

1185
01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:19.640
these people that create the society that
you exist in. So and it blows

1186
01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:24.079
my mind because I don't think people
understand that a lot of the people in

1187
01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:29.640
your in your in politics and controlling
your governments are Satanists that are like like

1188
01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:32.560
that fucking guy, those dudes that
fucked each other in the Congress building in

1189
01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:39.680
the United States and guess what there
be's and and so much so actually that

1190
01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:44.359
I think when when this guy he
approached the filmmakers and asked him about this,

1191
01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:47.720
they said, it's funny actually because
they were like, we noticed that

1192
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:53.359
all sort of like nobody, you
know, within the police department wanted to

1193
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:59.920
talk about it. Yeah, so
so much so that apparently they're follow up

1194
01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:06.039
project was going to be like a
deep dive similar kind of a documentary about

1195
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:14.039
the process charge and like the goings
on in Staten Island apparently, and they

1196
01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:17.119
started like they had they were in
like pre production stage where they were like

1197
01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:23.880
doing you know, like early stage
interviews and things like that and seeing who

1198
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:27.880
they could get to talk to and
records and stuff like that. And apparently

1199
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:32.239
the Josh guy who made it said
that things got like really weird. Everyone

1200
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:36.359
got overly aggressive with them, and
a lot of people wouldn't talk to him

1201
01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:39.640
anymore. And he was like,
rather than push the boat, we just

1202
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:43.199
kind of put the project on the
shelf and moved on to something else.

1203
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:45.840
Doesn't that seem like something is actually
going on? Like I've said on previous

1204
01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:50.520
episodes, is that if you're not
allowed to talk about it, it's probably

1205
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:55.960
something that you should talk about,
because if somebody is trying to withhold information

1206
01:30:56.640 --> 01:31:01.520
and put barriers up on certain information
that we're not supposed to know, uh,

1207
01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:05.840
you know, even things like the
idea of like you know, I'll

1208
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:10.560
get into this a little bit,
is the idea of like mind Coff that

1209
01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:14.239
we're not supposed to read this book
that was one of the most influential books

1210
01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:18.279
over an entire country and society and
people as a whole during a time in

1211
01:31:18.399 --> 01:31:21.800
history. And the thing is,
if you're not allowed to look at history

1212
01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:30.399
and analyze it, then there's some
there's some benefit that the establishment is coursing

1213
01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:34.720
the public into believing. There's some
benefit of them conditioning you to believe in

1214
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:38.880
some of these things and not saying
I'm not saying the fucking Nazis were right.

1215
01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:42.760
Fuck the Nazis, Fuck axieties,
Fuck all everybody that is about power

1216
01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:47.279
and greed and conforming people into what
their ideology of what they think a person

1217
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:51.119
should be. You know, human
beings should be inherently free, but that

1218
01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:56.640
idea of like, if there's something
you shouldn't question, if they're telling you

1219
01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:00.399
not to look at something, you
probably should look there. Because I eventually,

1220
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:01.560
like I've told you, I want
to like dive into a lot of

1221
01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:08.199
these We've been kind of backpedaling a
bit. We've talked about the progression of

1222
01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:11.960
these serial killers throughout history, right, me and Billy talking about HH Holmes,

1223
01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:15.600
Me and you talked about the toy
box killer and even some of these

1224
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:21.560
older serial killers that existed throughout history
before it kind of ramped up in the

1225
01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:26.520
seventies and eighties. And my plan
has eventually covered these and then I do

1226
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.720
want to analyze, you know,
I want to cover Charles Manson, but

1227
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:32.039
then after at some point I want
to cover was he manipulated by the CIA?

1228
01:32:33.159 --> 01:32:41.880
Were there connections to occultism in organizations
within the government that we're persuading serial

1229
01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:46.560
killers to commit acts of atrocity and
kill people for all sorts of absurd reasons,

1230
01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:50.199
and to pump up fear that keep
people in fear to manipulate them,

1231
01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:55.359
right, So so for you,
and then I guess to tie it back

1232
01:32:55.439 --> 01:33:00.239
into this story, then where where? Because I write so, I see

1233
01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:08.119
multiple potential outcomes. So either what
we've kind of lightly touched on throughout this

1234
01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:13.600
episode, that this guy was some
kind of genius and completely pulled the wool

1235
01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:18.520
over everybody's eyes, or he was
just like a fall guy that just found

1236
01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:23.680
them and it was just an easy
target and they just the cops just genuinely

1237
01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:25.680
wanted to clear the case up,
and it was like, yeah, just

1238
01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:29.439
fucking nail him. We need him
off the streets anyway. He's done some

1239
01:33:29.479 --> 01:33:31.560
creepy shit before. It's fine,
he's a scumbag, let's just get rid

1240
01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:39.359
of him. Or did the cops
not know that somebody else had done it

1241
01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:44.439
and used him, or did they
have no fucking idea who done it so

1242
01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:47.640
they just had to find somebody,
Or was he involved, Like there's a

1243
01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:53.119
lot of stories of people saying that, you know, he was supposedly not

1244
01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:58.520
taken part in like these satanic ritual
things and all, but he was like

1245
01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:03.039
being used to like take these kids
off the street and like bring them to

1246
01:34:03.079 --> 01:34:08.720
these rituals and stuff. And then
when people started to mention about stuff going

1247
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:12.119
on in the woods, the higher
ups like, I don't know, like

1248
01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:15.880
you said, like maybe it's the
local judges, maybe it's the police chief

1249
01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:19.119
say like, look, we've got
to make we've got to make a move

1250
01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:24.520
on him and make it all seem
like it's his fault and hush about this

1251
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:29.039
talk about cults and rituals and stuff. It's just really weird that all the

1252
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:30.479
detectives don't want to talk about that
at all. It's kind of strange,

1253
01:34:30.479 --> 01:34:34.560
like it seems like somebody they got
some sort of a memo or something about

1254
01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:41.079
like we won't be talking about what's
what's up with that? Or was it

1255
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:44.600
just someone completely different like apparently you
know they talk a lot about in this

1256
01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:47.399
story. Oh well, Rand lived
in the tunnels below with Overo. They

1257
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:53.439
also failed to mention that there was
a shit ton of other homeless people and

1258
01:34:53.479 --> 01:34:59.479
stuff and mentally ill people that also
lived in those songs. So I mean,

1259
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:03.840
could someone else have done it or
was it a group of them and

1260
01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:09.720
he was involved in some way just
solely all one, and there's so many

1261
01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:13.399
different avenues that could be pursued when
it comes to the story of what actually

1262
01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:17.520
happened Kinton. To me, from
all the research and the things that I've

1263
01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:21.560
been reading into over the last fucking
how many years of looking deep into this

1264
01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:27.039
stuff that I am interested by,
it definitely seems like it's kind of louder

1265
01:35:27.119 --> 01:35:30.640
like. It's it's more nefarious than
you'll ever understand the fact that they focus

1266
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:35.239
on a couple of kids when thousands
of kids go missing, even I'm sure

1267
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:39.720
in Staten Island, hundreds of kids
go missing, especially around this time,

1268
01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:43.800
and then they only focus on a
couple to bring attention to it, and

1269
01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:46.359
the media sells that story and then
convince you, like the idea, right

1270
01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:50.560
like, just to bring some of
this aspect of the stuff up. People,

1271
01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:55.039
if you don't understand the people that
are involved with creating the Amber Alert

1272
01:35:55.079 --> 01:36:00.359
system. That was Gallaine Maxwell's sister, her sister, that is factual,

1273
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:03.960
that is true, a masade,
and a lot of these places have you

1274
01:36:04.000 --> 01:36:06.680
know, their fingers and all this
shit. But the thing is, so

1275
01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:10.800
if they convince the public that,
Okay, these five children that have went

1276
01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:14.560
missing, we're gonna bring attention to
these kids, but we're gonna hush some

1277
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:17.359
of the other ones. To me, after all the evidence that we've we've

1278
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:23.920
talked about and the stories that have
been corroborated through people claiming to see this

1279
01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:28.319
or that and seeming to just base
it based on his look, I don't

1280
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:31.399
know. It kind of does seem
like that he may have been used like

1281
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:36.319
maybe crazy Aileen Warners and maybe she's
right, man, maybe that they were

1282
01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:42.880
using him and people like her to
acquire these kids, like you know,

1283
01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:46.199
Jimmy Saville or Epstein is like the
tip of the iceberg. They use a

1284
01:36:46.279 --> 01:36:50.960
certain person to acquire stuff and then
when they have a fall guy, you

1285
01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:56.039
know, even like they you know
exactly because then when shit hits the fan,

1286
01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:59.520
it's a really easy target to go
look at his creepy scumback. It's

1287
01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:02.119
obviously. The thing is he can
even involve with taking you know, three,

1288
01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:10.479
four children to these these cults or
something of the processed church. And

1289
01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:15.680
then there is like maybe fifty,
I don't know, twenty there's a bunch

1290
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:18.840
of kids that already went missing,
but he's involved in two or three.

1291
01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:25.359
They have him and they do the
thing. You have intelligent people that orchestra

1292
01:37:25.439 --> 01:37:30.279
a lot of this stuff, and
to me, based on his intelligence level

1293
01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:32.800
and what we've seen in the video
footage of him and and I don't know,

1294
01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:38.479
it definitely seems like he was manipulated
and coerced to do some of this

1295
01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:42.840
stuff. And we know that they
do use homeless people to do some of

1296
01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:45.600
this shit. And eventually, at
some point, I have an episode that

1297
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:50.600
would be fun to talk about,
and it's it's about how rich people take

1298
01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:54.600
homeless people off the street and hunt
them down in some sort of like The

1299
01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:58.840
Hunt. It will have to actually
incorporate it with that movie because this stuff

1300
01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:02.199
happens all the time time, So
I just want to make it. I

1301
01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:08.560
want to really point the direction of
we know that there's people in power that

1302
01:38:08.720 --> 01:38:15.279
orchestrate this stuff and then manipulate people
to they all they need is an excuse.

1303
01:38:15.760 --> 01:38:17.920
They need a fall guy, they
need someone to be able to pull

1304
01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:23.239
off some of these horrible crimes.
And who knows, I could be totally

1305
01:38:23.279 --> 01:38:26.720
wrong. It could be like this
guy's a fucking villain and he is the

1306
01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:30.319
perpetrator of all these missing children and
it was his fault. But the evidence

1307
01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:35.399
and my lie detector out of my
things going off, being like this is

1308
01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:40.640
way deeper than most people would ever
want to acknowledge. Yeah, I would

1309
01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:45.439
think so. And the unfortunate part
about it is we'll probably never truly know.

1310
01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:48.960
I will say, like one last
thing I suppose before, because I'm

1311
01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:51.319
not really sure where i sit on
the whole thing. I feel like I'm

1312
01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:56.840
on the fence because it's very hard
to pinpoint exactly there is like if you

1313
01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:00.439
look at some of the facts,
I guess of the case, there is

1314
01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:04.840
a lot of like weird coincidental stuff
where like he does seem to be around

1315
01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:09.079
an awful lot. You know,
It's like he was seeing he was seen

1316
01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:13.119
having food with that that twenty two
year old guy who went missing. He

1317
01:39:13.159 --> 01:39:16.199
was seen holding hands with the dance
syndrome girl. You know, he was

1318
01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:20.880
seeing somewhere else with somebody else.
He was working as a painter in the

1319
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:26.560
apartment black girl disappeared. I'm like, it is a bit strange that like

1320
01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:30.760
I really happened to be around.
But again, but again, you don't

1321
01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:34.079
know whether, like is that all
factual, because like if you just tell,

1322
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:39.119
if you just tell the community that
that's going to spread like wildfire.

1323
01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:45.720
It's like Chinese whispers, dude,
especially within this time period, and I

1324
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:49.520
don't know, it does make sense
that you could just tell somebody a story,

1325
01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:57.399
especially the the i'm astay, especially
like the the witnesses and what they

1326
01:39:57.439 --> 01:40:00.560
claim. They have no evidence.
They just say that they think that they

1327
01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:04.960
saw him. That's the strange part. That there was literally not even one

1328
01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:10.119
piece of evidence. That's the part
I can't understand. Yeah, and this

1329
01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:13.119
is why I do think that there
is. It goes deeper than we could

1330
01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:16.840
imagine. Then they create these legends
and think about it. They they use

1331
01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:23.479
this against us all the time.
They can manipulate our minds, psyops,

1332
01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:27.439
psychological warfarees are happening right now as
we speak all the time, and to

1333
01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:33.079
manipulate and sway public opinion. And
like the crime Minister recently right it's like

1334
01:40:33.359 --> 01:40:39.199
he talked on us some sort of
podcast unhingingly and this guy's on hedged Maniac

1335
01:40:39.239 --> 01:40:41.840
and our system and he's like,
you know, I missed the days where

1336
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:46.119
we just had CBC and these news
channels and everyone got their facts and he's

1337
01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:51.880
like he literally said there was an
agreed upon fact based on the news.

1338
01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:56.600
It so especially at this time,
you just have to especially when they realize

1339
01:40:56.600 --> 01:41:00.079
that they could use TV and newspapers
to manipulate people. All left to broadcast

1340
01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:09.720
is mentally disabled man arrested with connections
to UH children missing. And then everyone's

1341
01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:12.760
like, that guy looks fucking scary. Man, he definitely did it,

1342
01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:15.800
not realizing that there's people in your
community that could have done it. Look

1343
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.359
at fucking John Wayne Gacy Man.
I would love to talk about him.

1344
01:41:18.359 --> 01:41:21.439
At some point. That guy was
a pillar of the community, connected to

1345
01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:27.000
Freemasons, all sorts of weird shit
man, and people viewed him as this

1346
01:41:27.079 --> 01:41:30.079
great guy that helped everybody else,
like, helped everybody dress on the clowns

1347
01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:34.000
going to community events. Meanwhile,
the guy had forty bodies in his basement.

1348
01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:36.960
Scar best. That guy's one of
the scariest serial killers. I think,

1349
01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:41.319
honestly, I could. I could
hang out with Richie. I can

1350
01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:45.920
convince Richie Ramirez to be my friend. You know, even even even you

1351
01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.119
know some of something, I still
want the Richard Ramirez T shirt. We're

1352
01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:51.560
gonna I know people will probably want
to like kill Oh weear of mine.

1353
01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:55.439
We're gonna do. He's gonna be
covered soon. We'll bring this to a

1354
01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:58.119
close. I thought this was something
that was very interesting, and I know

1355
01:41:58.199 --> 01:42:00.119
that you were fascinated by this case. But at the same time, like

1356
01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:03.359
if the fans don't know me mine
now, I've been going down a hole,

1357
01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:08.760
a rabbit hole. I've been deep
inside this stuff. So and the

1358
01:42:08.760 --> 01:42:12.039
more I read, because all I've
been doing is reading and reading and reading

1359
01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:15.159
and reading it, and I've been
buying a bunch of different books and stuff

1360
01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:16.720
like that that I'm going to be
diving into, is the more that I'm

1361
01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:21.520
convinced that that on the surface level, we only know a fraction of the

1362
01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:25.800
truth. So like even with this
case, I bet you what we know

1363
01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:29.640
is like an iceberg that we only
see the tip, but we don't understand

1364
01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:31.319
the levels that go beyond that.
And I think that's to do with a

1365
01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:35.920
lot of the cases and the true
crime case that we see. And you

1366
01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:39.159
know that people are fast out by
true crime, so you give them a

1367
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:45.079
set a specific set of facts,
you know, and then I don't know.

1368
01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:47.840
It's just this seems fucking sketchy,
That's all I'm saying. And I

1369
01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:51.720
don't believe what they're telling us about
this case and the fact that it is

1370
01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:58.359
a shredded and so much mystery an
urban legend seems a little weird. Yeah,

1371
01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:00.079
it is. I really don't know
where I wish I was able to

1372
01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:03.520
give more like definitive I don't know, man, and sort of where I

1373
01:43:03.560 --> 01:43:06.439
sit, but I genuinely don't know. And I think it is, like

1374
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:14.199
you said, it's way deeper than
we probably know. And I think even

1375
01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:17.119
even the people who made it,
I think realized like they could only get

1376
01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:20.600
so fa you did a good job. The docs is like everybody just blocked

1377
01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:23.880
them out at a certain point.
The doc is well done, and I

1378
01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:27.680
think it is. It is a
like it's a creepy doc that threw together

1379
01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:31.359
and at the time especially it was
some of that intrigued audiences and as they

1380
01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:35.239
even there was definitely points within the
doc that they they pointed at that we

1381
01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:39.960
don't even necessarily know the truth and
they could have just they needed a fall

1382
01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:42.880
guy. And I just want to
bring that up numerous times, and it

1383
01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:46.880
really pushed that into people's heads,
is that they can convince you that that

1384
01:43:47.399 --> 01:43:51.560
it's the nicest guy in the world. Is A is a serial killer?

1385
01:43:53.319 --> 01:43:56.800
Is A is a murderous scumbag?
Right? Look at just to bring up

1386
01:43:56.880 --> 01:44:00.800
because I've interviewed people on the show
just about the freedom come void stuff that's

1387
01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:05.079
happened throughout our Canadian history the last
couple of years or the world. Is

1388
01:44:05.119 --> 01:44:10.359
that they convinced a population that people
that chose not to get some sort of

1389
01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:16.399
experimental shot or some sort of right
wing fascist Nazis and even CESIS, which

1390
01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:23.000
is ceases, not a it's like
an organization in Canada that uh I could

1391
01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:26.960
look after. I can't remember the
exact definition of what CESIS is, uh,

1392
01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:31.319
but they they came out recently uh
and said, uh, let me

1393
01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:35.319
look at what cesis. Uh.
So it's Canadian Security Intelligence Service. So

1394
01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:42.560
CESES is like what the CIA is
for America. And and so they labeled

1395
01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:48.600
people the parents, parent parental groups
that are against the LGBT, the cult

1396
01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:54.439
stuff, the the gender ideologies being
on schooled. They labeled them as far

1397
01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:59.640
right Nazis, neo Nazis, parental
groups parents that just wanted to like the

1398
01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:03.159
protect their kids against being sexualized by
the UN agenda. So I just want

1399
01:45:03.199 --> 01:45:10.720
to make it clear to people that
these organizations, the RCMP, the police,

1400
01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:13.920
the police that you have in Ireland, these people are paid and they

1401
01:45:13.960 --> 01:45:17.199
will give you whatever evidence they will
plan evidence on people. Look at the

1402
01:45:17.239 --> 01:45:24.520
kots border fucking planting guns on Canadian
citizens to say they were so come on,

1403
01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:29.880
why would you believe these people?
That's what I'm saying. Yeah,

1404
01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:32.159
it's it's wild, like and it's
it's so hard. Like We've had this

1405
01:45:32.239 --> 01:45:39.199
conversation several times about like it's gotten
to the point where it's impossible to know

1406
01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:42.920
what to believe. And I don't
know now if like when I'm being told

1407
01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:47.680
the real fruit is just like another
like version of lies. Yeah, right,

1408
01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:50.359
so I feed it to distract me
from what's actually going on. So

1409
01:45:50.399 --> 01:45:53.760
it's like there's so many layers to
everything now, it's like, how can

1410
01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:56.399
we ever figure out? And at
the end of the day, everybody that

1411
01:45:56.479 --> 01:45:59.720
listens to this, and as a
fan of the show, I appreciate your

1412
01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:02.920
or skepticism and you know, all
for the fans really like all I ask

1413
01:46:03.319 --> 01:46:08.039
is for you to question things,
you know, That's all I'm asking for,

1414
01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:11.439
you know, even the time this
comes at our k the Kasarian Mafia

1415
01:46:11.439 --> 01:46:15.600
episode will be out in the whole
full three hours that we dissected a very

1416
01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:24.000
interesting, you know, version of
history that we may not know as factual,

1417
01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:25.880
and the whole time. Me and
I were both like, I don't

1418
01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:28.800
know if this is fucking real.
I don't know. I'm just questioning stuff.

1419
01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:30.960
That's all I'm doing. Right So
at the end of the day,

1420
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:33.840
I just want people to, especially
our audience, is to just question everything,

1421
01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:40.279
and we're never ever coming at something
with malicious intent. We make some

1422
01:46:40.399 --> 01:46:45.920
dark humored jokes, but I do
believe most of our audience really does understand

1423
01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:49.159
what we're going for and how we're
just being genuine more than everybody else,

1424
01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:54.239
because a lot of other people have
agendas and they all have something that they're

1425
01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:58.159
trying to persuade to people, and
all I'm doing is being like, I

1426
01:46:58.159 --> 01:47:03.399
don't know. Anything is posted.
Yeah, so everybody, this was a

1427
01:47:03.399 --> 01:47:05.520
lot of fun. I thought it. I thought we did something a little

1428
01:47:05.560 --> 01:47:10.439
different when it comes to how we
analyze the whole case of this, because

1429
01:47:10.439 --> 01:47:14.520
it is something that's very uh,
it's in the psyche, especially around America,

1430
01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:18.239
even like even that you know this
case, it's very much it's a

1431
01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:21.479
legend. It is like some sort
of urban legend. You know, how

1432
01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:26.520
we know of the hook handed man
giving abortions out for free stuff like that.

1433
01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:31.680
You know, it's kidding but the
documentary definitely brought it to It's such

1434
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:36.199
a popular documentary for anybody who hasn't
seen it, it is available, Yeah,

1435
01:47:36.199 --> 01:47:42.560
it's it's on YouTube now and like
it's on multiple probably yeah, and

1436
01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:45.560
it's on multiple high profile YouTube channels. Like I think there's like five or

1437
01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:50.000
six like proper HD uploads of it, the full thing. It's definitely worth

1438
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:54.720
looking at, and it's it's strange
because it's like it's obviously a true story,

1439
01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:58.520
but the kind of done the narrative
in a really strange way where like

1440
01:47:59.479 --> 01:48:01.079
it's sort of feels like you're looking
at something like the Blair Witch, but

1441
01:48:01.119 --> 01:48:03.319
then it's like, oh no,
this is actually really I know. That's

1442
01:48:03.359 --> 01:48:09.840
why it's funny even hearing about this. They have definitely the folklore and legends

1443
01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:13.640
surrounding it. It seems like it's
not real, but this is more real

1444
01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:15.800
than people understand of what it's connected
to. And I do think is that

1445
01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:18.760
true? Like when we talked to
when we you know, did the commentary

1446
01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:23.439
on urban legends you can find on
the Patreon and stuff like that, is

1447
01:48:23.479 --> 01:48:27.439
like how much of that is true? Right? Because are these based on

1448
01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:31.359
real stories? That then get the
telephone game get passed around and then eventually

1449
01:48:31.399 --> 01:48:38.800
it becomes some fable, some some
story, some legend that is actually shrouded

1450
01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:42.359
in some truth. Right, So
you know, I enjoyed myself. We

1451
01:48:42.399 --> 01:48:45.760
have lost big stuff coming. This
is actually Aaron's idea to dive into this.

1452
01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:47.960
You know, sometimes it's so funny
that I have all these ideas of

1453
01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:51.119
episodes we're gonna get into. But
if you know, all of a sudden,

1454
01:48:51.119 --> 01:48:54.520
we'll like some pops up and we're
like, hey, let's cover this,

1455
01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:57.520
let's just get into it, let's
do some different, let's do something

1456
01:48:57.520 --> 01:49:00.920
we haven't even researched recently. So
I watched the I started looking at the

1457
01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:04.119
stuff. But I have a million
and one ideas for this show. There's

1458
01:49:04.159 --> 01:49:10.079
gonna be a lot of stuff coming. I do think at some point it

1459
01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:15.640
would be fun to do like that
movie something about wellness via goth Is in

1460
01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:18.920
our favorite and that other guy Curious
to Wellness or whatever. Like, there's

1461
01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:24.520
some stuff. There's some certain movies
based on asylums and stuff that we could

1462
01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:28.960
end up getting into on Class Horror
Cast. But we're number one, We're

1463
01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:32.800
gonna be number one Irish podcast motherfuckers. Yeah, yeah, randomly got an

1464
01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:36.560
email the other day about that that's
so cool. We were at least a

1465
01:49:36.720 --> 01:49:42.159
on a website shouting out Class fore
Cast of being one of the number one

1466
01:49:43.159 --> 01:49:45.840
podcasts in Ireland. Horror podcast in
Ireland to listen to in twenty twenty four

1467
01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:50.800
is pretty awesome. We we're gonna
reach the charts. I do believe the

1468
01:49:50.840 --> 01:49:54.840
Class Forecast. There's a lot of
stuff that we do a lot differently,

1469
01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:59.039
So anyone who listens to this go
support Class fore Cast, give us five

1470
01:49:59.079 --> 01:50:01.720
star rating reviews all the time.
I don't know how to end this stuff,

1471
01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:04.720
so I'm just gonna keep ranting on. But I want everybody to understand

1472
01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:10.000
that I love all the listeners of
the show. Anybody that listens and participates

1473
01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:14.319
share our show, post on stories, if you're listening to it while you're

1474
01:50:14.359 --> 01:50:16.760
at work or driving, or you
know, at home, share that stuff

1475
01:50:16.760 --> 01:50:20.119
to your social media. We will
appreciate it. It does do more than

1476
01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:25.319
you'll ever understand. I've actually seen
a bunch of people buying shirts recently on

1477
01:50:25.439 --> 01:50:29.000
Class Forror Cast. A couple I
saw a couple people actually got the Stay

1478
01:50:29.039 --> 01:50:33.840
Strange not a sleep shirt. Somebody
bought my fuck the World Economic Forum shirt

1479
01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:38.159
because I made it sure this said
fuck the World Economic Forum. I actually

1480
01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:41.439
want to get that shirt, and
somebody purchased that I just released it,

1481
01:50:42.079 --> 01:50:45.279
so we do have a lot of
cool merch out there. And then once

1482
01:50:45.319 --> 01:50:47.640
I get it finalized and set it
to Aaron, we do need to put

1483
01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:51.359
out that horny for Horror shirt because
I even Brett, I should brett it.

1484
01:50:51.399 --> 01:50:56.119
Brett was like, I like it. It's very seductive and creepy.

1485
01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:59.039
Yea, and for sure, So
there's definitely cool stuff. I think we

1486
01:50:59.039 --> 01:51:02.079
can do as well on the heart
ideas with like March and things. Yeah,

1487
01:51:02.079 --> 01:51:06.079
I got ideas. So everybody go
support the shows. Anything you want

1488
01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:11.199
to add their horny horror boy,
No, just stay horny for horror,

1489
01:51:11.279 --> 01:51:40.439
stay horny for true crime, and
yeah see it's arty, stay strange. H