Welcome back to The Path Went Chile for part two of our series about the
disappearance of Trevor Deely. Robin, do you want to catch everyone up and
what we talked about in our previous episode. Well, I believe this is
the first case we've ever covered on The Path Went Chile which took place in
Ireland, and it's probably the most famous missing person's case in the history of
that country. Trevor Deely was twenty two years old and he worked as an
IT specialist at the Bank of Ireland to Asset Management headquarters in Dublin, and
on the evening of December the seventh, two thousand, he went out to
a Christmas party with his coworkers, which involved doing a lot of drinking and
hopping back and forth between different places. But because there was a taxi strike
going on in Dublin at that time and it was pouring rain, after the
party ended, Trevor decided to walk to the Bank of Ireland Asset Management headquarters
in order to pick up an umbrella for his walk back to his apartment,
and even though it was three point thirty in the morning, one of his
coworkers led him inside. He took the umbrella and then started walking back home,
but he never made it to his apartment and it would be an entire
weekend before anyone even noticed that he was missing. And the two clues they
had is when they looked at CCTV footage of Trevor's last known movements. At
three point thirty when he first arrived at his workplace, there was a man
standing outside the gates who was known as the Man in Black, who briefly
chatted with Trevor before he went inside before he walked out of the frame,
and the last known footage of Trevor was at four to fourteen am where he
was passing buy a camera at an ATM, But after that he just seemed
to vanish without a trace and probably never made it back to his apartment.
For years, the biggest lead was a man that was known as the second
Man in Black, who was seen passing by the ATM camera about thirty seconds
after Trevor did so. They wondered if he might have been involved in his
disappearance, But only a few weeks before we recorded this, they finally tracked
this Man in Black down, interviewed him and rule him out as having any
involvement in Trevor's disappearance twenty seventeen, an informant came forward who said that Trevor
had cross passed with some criminal figures on his walk home, who proceeded to
take him back to their apartment to shoot him and then bury his body in
a local park. But they performed a search of it and never found his
remains or any other evidence to support his story. So we're right back to
square one. Trevor has been missing for twenty three years and seemed like he
literally just vanished into thin air, and no one still has any idea what
actually happened to him. So before we do any further analysis of Trevor's disappearance,
I wanted to take a few moments to discuss the vacation that Trevor took
during November of two thousand, which involved traveling to Alaska for several weeks.
One of his primary reasons for selecting this destination was to visit a girl who
lived in Anchorage, as the two of them had previously met during a trip
she took to Ireland. In one particularly heartbreaking interview, Trevor's father, Michael
Dealey, described how when he last saw his son Trevor was so excited to
tell him all about his trip to Alaska, but since Michael was in a
rush at that time and had to leave, he told his son to tell
him all about the trip at Christmas. Of course, Trevor went missing before
Christmas, so Michael has always been regretful for blowing him off like that,
and he always breaks down whenever he shares this story. The details about Trevor's
relationship with this girl from Anchorage are vague, but the story goes that she
had told him she was going to be very busy during his trip and tried
to dissuade him from visiting her wherever. Trevor still traveled to Anchorage anyway,
and she apparently gave him a rather chilli reception when he showed up. Since
Trevor happened to go missing only two days after he returned home, there has
been speculation that the Alaska trip might somehow be connected to his disappearance. What
I've find really interesting is that Trevor appears incredibly excited and happy to tell his
dad how the trip went. So even if the girl had been hesitant and
she gave him a pretty chilly reception, was it a chili reception the entire
time. Could he have possibly met other people who made the trip worthwhile?
I mean, if he was happy, it sounds like he didn't go there
and have someone mistreat him. Yeah, That's what I think as well,
is that even though Trevor's time with the girl did not go as well as
he hoped, the reaction story told by his father made it sound that Trevor
enjoyed the majority of the trip of Alaska. So I don't think being kind
of turned down by this girl would have made him depressed enough in order to
like take his own life or maybe run away voluntarily. So this might have
no connection to his disappearance. And it sounds unlikely that anybody is going to
cross oceans in order to come after Trevor with regards to maybe like pursuing their
quote unquote woman or whatever. It just seems like if something bad was going
to happen to him in relation to the potential relationship or entanglement with the woman,
that it would have happened while he was in Alaska. I know.
The GUARDI explored the possibility that Trevor might have disappeared voluntarily because he wanted to
go back to the US or something. They even traveled to Alaska to interview
the girl that Trevor saw, but it doesn't sound like she had any relevant
information. Investigators were able to confirm that Trevor never traveled to the US or
any other country, as his passport was found inside his apartment and his bank
account had not been touched since the night that he went missing. The main
reason we bring up the Alaska trip is because it's been theorized that Trevor may
have become depressed over the fact that his encounter with this girl hadn't gone as
well as he had hoped, and he decided to take his own life upon
returning home. Sure, his body was never found, but what if he
jumped into the Grand Canal and his body was just missed during the searches.
While it sounds like the suicide theory has pretty much been dismissed, the last
time Trevor saw his father, he told him how marvelous a trip to Alaska
had been and showed no visible signs of being depressed. Yes, it's true
that suicidal people sometimes disguise their pain so that everyone is taken by complete surprise
when they take their own life, but if Trevor was planning to complete suicide,
it seems awfully strange that he would take an extra trip back to his
workplace in order to grab an umbrella. I don't think a person who was
planning to jump into a body of water and around themselves would be all that
concerned about getting wet from the rain, and minutes before he disappeared, Trevor
had also left a quick voicemail for his friend, letting him know that they
should get together that weekend. There really were no warning signs that Trevor was
feeling suicidal, and his family have openly stated that they believe the whole Alaska
trip was nothing more than a red herring. I don't think you would have
seen him making plans with a friend, immediate plans with a friend. It's
not like, yeah, one day, we should catch up buddy. You
know, he's actually initiating a call saying we should hang out. And so
I don't see there being a real indication of knowing you're going to exit this
world and then making immediate plans with a friend. I also think if he
was going to jump into this river, that he would have left behind evidence.
There'd be the umbrella washing up on some shore, there'd be his clothing.
Even if his body had disintegrated, there'd be other things that had happened
where you would say there's some remnants of him. I mean there were large
That umbrella had to be a large umbrella. I just feel like something would
have been found. But don't you feel like with regards to say clothing,
washing up, or shoes or something related to him. Just as we talked
about the cell phone earlier, you have to have the right person happen upon
items like that for them to go and alert the authorities. You could have
somebody who just goes, oh, there's a pair of pants, I'm going
to take those, or they might pay it no mind, or they may
just throw it in the garbage and think that it's trash. Because there's areas
around where I live in it's a really nice area, but there's an area
near Science World here and I used to take my dog down there and there
would often be clothing items down there, and I certainly wasn't calling the authorities.
I knew that it was sometimes a place where homeless people would go,
or people would go and they would do drugs. So you just had to
be very careful about the areas that we were going, but there was often
things like that left about. So it just takes the right p person finding
those types of items and seeing the significance behind them in order for them to
actually find the evidence and give it the attention that it deserves. And we
also mentioned in our last episode that President Bill Clinton was planning to make a
trip to Dublin shortly after Trevor went missing, and they did a big security
sweep of the area. And I'm thinking that if say an American Secret Service
agent found a cell phone or an umbrella or a piece of clothing, they
would probably just kind of ignore it and discard it. They would be like,
we're not here to investigate a missing person's case. We're here to make
things secure for the president. So it does make me wonder perhaps if they
did find some evidence but just didn't see the significance of it. I think
if they found a cell phone, they might keep that or see that maybe
there could be some significance, don't you think. Oh yeah, probably with
the cell phone they would just at least find it was belonged to, But
something like an umbrella or clothing they might just ignore. So now let's explore
the possibility that Trevor's death was an accident and that he might have fallen into
the Grand Canna, the River Dodd, or some other body of water on
his route home and his body has just never been recovered. He was a
bit drunk at the time, though not so intoxicated that he was incapable of
walking home. One theory is that since Trevor was carrying a large umbrella,
a strong gust of wind could have propelled him off the bridge into the water
well. The GUARDI seemed pretty convinced that Trevor did not drown, though that
doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't have missed his body. But another issue is that
Trevor's umbrella was never recovered either. Since it was pretty large, you'd think
it would have turned up eventually, though I guess a possible explanation, which
I just mentioned, is that an umbrella could have been found during the security
sweep that was done over the weekend to prepare for President Clinton's upcoming visit to
Dublin. Since Trevor had not been reported missing yet, they may not have
realized the umbrella significance and discarded it. That's true, I mean the way
Jules described it too. I mean it almost seems like a nuisance and trash
litter at that point, when you have things that have just been discarded.
There were rainstorms, and you know you'd think, Wow, some somebody either
forgot or left their umbrella. I'm throwing that away to create a clean street
when the president arrives. So you do have to have the right mindset,
Jules, you're a true crime podcaster. You should be questioning every piece of
clothing you come across. I know, it's just unfortunate that there's a strange
kind of intersection between individuals with substance use disorders and then this really nice area
where people like to take their dogs, and so people discard lots of strange
things there. And initially I used to think it was weird, but now
I like, I just don't pay at any mind. So if I came
across actual evidence in that area of somebody who'd been abducted and their clothing was
left there, I would completely disregard it. So I guess I just don't
have the right mind right. As you might recall, Trevor's sister, Michelle,
attempted to call his cell phone multiple times after he went missing. While
Michelle can't recall this with one hundred percent certainty, she seems to remember that
Trevor's phone did ring over the course of the weekend and did not go straight
to voicemail until Monday the eleventh. On the surface, this would seem to
indicate that the phone was functional till then, and might rule out the possibility
that Trevor fell into some water. During an article about this case in the
Irish Times, one communication specialist stated that Trevor's mobile phone would certainly have gone
dead if this had happened. In his own words, quote, if the
phone was on when it went in the water, it would be dead in
seconds. The radio signals would not penetrate more than a few inches of water,
so it couldn't ring. End quote. Of course, that might not
apply to all cell phones today, but this was the year two thousand.
It's worth noting that the Dailey family was unhappy that the Guardie did not attempt
to do more to locate or pinpoint Trevor's phone through its network. But whatever
happened to his phone, I'm still confident in believing that Trevor did not die
in an accidental drowning. I definitely don't think it was a drowning either.
I think that someone most likely intercepted him after he passed that ATM machine,
after we see him crossing that bridge, and right before he's able to get
to his apartment. It almost feels as though, in this heavy downpour,
someone could have easily said, there's this guy walking. He looks young,
he looks kind of naive, like he'd be invincible and he would take risk.
Let's pull over and ask if he wants a ride. That's kind of
where I'm leaning. I don't know why, I don't know what they would
have wanted with him, but it seems like he didn't make it to the
apartment, and I don't think that was on his own accord. I agree
with you. I just think, like all traces have been prescribed, we've
got no evidence. So what is the most likely scenario That somebody offered him
a ride during a taxi strike during a downpour like four in the morning,
and he's most likely when to say yes, as long as they don't seem
scary. What they wanted with him and what their objective was is a little
bit muddy for me. I mean, were they trying to rob him.
Was this sexually based? Was this just someone who was looking for a thrill
kill. I'm a little confused as to what the motive could have potentially been,
but there's just, again, so many hidden variables here. Another theory
which has been pushed forward is that Trevor was the victim of a hit and
run accident and whoever was responsible drove his body away from the scene and disposed
of it somewhere else. That's certainly not implausible, as the lousy weather conditions
that night could have caused poor visibility for drivers, and because of the taxi
strike going on at that time, some intoxicated motorists might have felt more compelled
to be on the road that night, so it's easy to see how an
accident like this could happen. Some people have ruled out the hit and run
theory because no physical evidence was found in the area to support it, such
as debris from a vehicle, But remember it was a rainy night, Trevor
was not reported missing for three days, and the entire area was swept over
in preparation for President Clinton's visit. If there was evidence of a hit and
run accident, it could have easily been disposed of without anyone realizing it.
So I wouldn't completely rule out the idea of a hit and run. And
think about what time it was. I mean it's past four o'clock in the
morning. I mean drinking is a massive sport in Ireland, and so you
could have people who were intoxicated behind the wheel on a rainy night, and
someone who's walking and crossing the street, maybe on his phone, not paying
attention. I could see where it's a potential that he was hit by a
car. I think the biggest issue with this case is that while we can
pinpoint the last sighting of Trevor on the CCTV footage, we can't pinpoint the
exact time he disappeared. Since he was not actually reported missing until Monday,
you can't rule out the possibility that Trevor could have made it safely back to
his apartment and something happened to him on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.
Granted, since Trevor was known for being a reliable employee and did not show
up for his scheduled shift on Friday, it seems most likely that something occurred
before then. Now you might assume that if Trevor made it to his apartment,
he would have shown up on some other CCTV footage. But here's the
thing. The footage of him at the ATM was originally acquired by some of
Trevor's friends and not the Guardye. The Guardie were not happy about this,
but it was standard policy for that particular bank to wipe all their CCTV footage
after the twenty eight days had passed, So if Trevor's friends had not acquired
it in the nick of time, the footage might have been lost forever.
So I can't help but wonder if Trevor might have shown up on some other
CCTV footage from that area, which wound up being erased before anyone had a
chance to see it. However, I'm inclined to think that Trevor never made
it back to his apartment and something happened to him after he passed the ATM
camera. Here's why I don't think he made it home. I think that
the moment you are notified that this kid went to a Christmas party at his
place of employment or I mean with his colleagues, that he visited his place
of employment that he's seen on closed circuit TV. I think that you say,
what was he wearing the last time he was seen, and there would
be that description. Well, he was wearing a red plaid shirt and a
green Christmas tie, or an ugly sweater or a black jacket. Right,
there'd be a description of what he was wearing. So by the time you
put together the pieces of that night and he's caught in a downpour. Had
he gone home Friday night and even left shortly after he arrived home, he
would have changed out of those wet, damp clothes. He would have put
them in the dirty clothes, he would have put them in the washing machine.
He would have put them on his bed something. And there is no
report that the clothes he was wearing at the Christmas party wherever found. I
mean, that would be the first thing as an investigator, I asked,
what was he wearing at the party? I'm going to his apartment and I'm
finding those clothes that would show me he got there. If they didn't do
that, holy cow, shame on them. So to me, it rules
out the idea that he could have made it home. Someone would have said
the outfit he wore at our Christmas party was in his apartment, which means
he made it just to play Devil's advocate. And I actually agree with you.
I don't think he made it home but just to play Devil's advocate.
What if he wore like a really basic outfit, like black pants and a
white shirt, and he did make it home, and he was home for
multiple days, so he managed to wash those clothes and then hang them back
up, and he had multiple white shirts and multiple pairs of black pants.
You wouldn't be able to identify necessarily the outfit that he would have been wearing
to the Christmas party unless there was something super specific and he didn't have other
clothing like that, because like I have eight million pairs of black pants and
white shirts, so you would never know what is missing if that was like
one outfit from my closet. I actually went and looked up what he was
wearing on the night he disappeared, and it's described as a mustard and brown
checkered shirt, a baite gray quarter, so that is kind of more distinctive.
Yes, beige gray corduroy flair trousers and dark deck shoes with white stripes,
and also a green padded jacket. And I'm assuming they never found the
jacket. That sounds pretty detailed, so and that if he had arrived at
the apartment and left his phone accord, he probably would have taken the jacket
with him. But sadly he was not wearing a red Christmas sweater attacking Christmas
sweader like Ashley said, but still his clothing was a bit more distinctive than
usual. So we mentioned in our last episode that the man in black who
was seen walking past the ATM at four fourteen am has recently been identified and
ruled out as a suspect, but there was also a CCTV footage of a
second man in black seen hanging around outside the BIAM headquarters earlier that night,
and investigat confirmed that he is not the same person and has still not been
identified to recap cameras captured this man hanging around the rear gate of the BAM
headquarters in the exact same spot, next to a pillar for about half an
hour before Trevor showed up there at three thirty four am. And I have
no idea what would compel someone to stand there that long in such miserable rainy
weather without shelter. At three o'clock in the morning. I can't be one
under percent certain, but I'm assuming that Trevor might have been the first person
to pass this guy during the entire half hour period he was there, because
he immediately followed Trevor and conversed with him outside the other rear gate. If
he was a homeless person, this exchange could have been as simple as him
asking Trevor for some money or a smoke or something. But I doubt the
conversation was anything memorable, since Trevor didn't feel the need to mention it when
he spoke with Carl Pender a few minutes later. After waiting at that location
for so long, you'd almost think the man in black was waiting for an
opportunity to enter BIM headquarters, But when Trevor unlocked the gate and walked inside,
the man didn't do anything. It seems unlikely that he was specifically waiting
there for Trevor, because there's no way he could have anticipated that Trevor would
decide to walk from the nightclub to his workplace at that time of night.
So, regardless of whether or not this man is connected Trevor's disappearance, his
presence outside BIM Headquarters is a bit of a mystery in itself, that is
a mystery. But I do think once the police confirmed that the man who
was dressed in black that passed behind Trevor at the ATM machine thirty seconds after
Trevor passes, when they determined that that was not the same man in black
who was waiting outside the gates of Biam, I really kind of lost interest
in this person being the suspect in his disappearance. Now it would it be
interesting to talk to him to see what he knew. Absolutely, anyone who
could have seen Trevor that night needs to be spoken to. But I think
think it's more likely that this is, like you said, someone who might
have had an addiction issue, that might have been homeless, that might have
been waiting for a ride because of the taxi strikes, and maybe he was
saying, hey, man, is there anywhere I can duck in to wait
for someone? And he's gone, no, man, there's you know this
is a secure building. You can't come in here. Okay, thanks buddy.
Hey you got a smoke? I can bumb Okay, thanks buddy.
It doesn't seem like there was a very exciting interchange between the two or,
like you said, Trevor Mudd if said something when he went in to talk
to his colleague, And is it possible that this guy who's waiting there,
who's just kind of lingering or lurking, that he could have been a pim
Because we mentioned that there was a lot of sex work in the area and
drugs, So is it possible that he could have had one of the potential
women that he managed or whatever he did, and they were with a client
or something like that, And so that's why he was out at that odd
hour, and that's why he was just kind of waiting in the area,
maybe waiting for her to come back. Yeah, that's certainly possible. And
I don't think he would have said something like, hey, man, you
interested in a girl or something, because at twenty two, I think Trevor
would have run in and told his buddy like, oh my god, right,
Trevor's been drinking, so you know, you'd be like, I just
got offered sex by you know, this guy for this much money or something
like that. So I don't think that it would have been something profound that
he mentioned to him. Could that have been his trade and he was just
asking Trevor for a smoke for sure, but I don't. I definitely don't
think he was trying to get Trevor to engage in his business endeavors because we
have to remember, too, the sex work industry was entirely different in two
thousand. It wasn't online like it is now. I'm sure there was some
of it online, but it was a different beast and a lot of it
was done like on street level. So, especially for survival sex workers at
that time, I'm sure in Dublin you are going to be going out and
you're going to be getting that money because you likely have an addiction to feed
or a family or whatever the situation is. Is a choice to be out
at that time, but it's not really a choice. So I mean,
I just can't really think of a lot of other reasons, aside from homelessness
or illegal activities, that somebody would be sitting or waiting in that area for
so long. But they had a cell phone in two thousand, so that
leads me away from them being homeless, because not everybody had a cell phone
in two thousand. I also think this is a good opportunity to clear up
a misconception which has been shared about this case. If you search on YouTube,
you'll find footage of two other men besides a man in black, who
show up in the CCTV footage by the rear gate at three point thirty seven
am. It turned out that those two men in the footage were coworkers of
Trevor's who worked at BIAM headquarters, and they were identified in question by investigators,
who concluded that they had no useful information to offer. Well. Several
years ago, this case was profiled on an episode of the British true crime
series mcinty Are Unsolved. Some confusion ensued because when the episode presented CCTV footage
of what was supposed to be Trevor standing outside the gate with the man in
black, they mistakenly showed the footage of Trevor's co workers standing there at three
thirty seven am. So of course people started wondering who were these other guys
standing outside the gate until the guard he clarified that they were BIAM employees and
had no involvement in Trevor's disappearance. But I do find it odd that there
isn't more information out there about the co workers. Since they stood right next
to the man in black, you'd hope they might have been able to provide
investigators with a more detailed description of him, but apparently not. But the
main reason we mentioned these two guys is because I wonder if their appearance was
what prompted the man in black to finally walk away, as he was no
longer present when Trevor left the building at four h two am. Well,
we also have to remember too, like what if these employees were like out,
taken a smoke break or something like that, But it's poor rain,
so they'd have to be crouched under some awning or something to that effect.
It's very bizarre that anyone would be outside at this hour of night in the
rain, So these had to be pretty quick interactions like you'd see them.
Yes, but are is anything profound happening in those moments? I'd be very
shocked if someone told me, yes, that there's any significance to any of
the kind of movement that's quickly happening around that area. Well. I have
seen some pretty wild theories put forward and online discussions about this case, how
Trevor's disappearance might have been connected to his job at the bank, and that
the man in black was scouting the bank to plan some sort of heist and
these other two coworkers were in on it, and then they went after Trevor
and abducted him to try to get it information so they could perpetuate a heist.
But that just seems ridiculous and over the top, because, like we
said, there's no way they could have predicted Trevor would even been there,
and if this was a heist, it seemed to be the laziest ice plan
I've ever seen. So for years, the people always debated about whether the
man outside BIAM and the man who walked past the ATM camera were one and
the same, But we now know for certain that's not the case. But
could the first man in black still be involved in Trevor's disappearance. I guess
you could surmise that after he disappeared from the CCTV footage outside BIM headquarters,
the man in black stayed out of camera range to keep an eye on the
gate, and when he saw Trevor leave, he decided to follow him across
Baggett Street Bridge to Haddington Road. If the guy had set his sights on
Trevor, that's certainly possible, but there's also no way he could have known
that Trevor was going to leave the building less than half an hour later.
For all he knew, Trevor could have remained there for several more hours.
And Haddington Road is a ten minute walk away, so if this guy did
something to Trevor, he still followed him for quite a while before he made
his move. But I'm inclined to believe that if Trevor was attacked it was
by someone with access to a vehicle. No trace of Trevor was found during
the President's security sweep of the area, so whoever harmed him probably had to
abduct him from the area. And I think it's safe to assume that the
man in black did not have access to a vehicle. He was standing outside
in the rain for half an hour, and if he had a vehicle park
nearby, I don't know why he would follow Trevor on foot for over ten
minutes, even though a public lee was sent out for him to come forward.
The man in black may have no idea that anyone is even looking for
him, or, as we saw with the other man in black from the
ATM, perhaps this guy already spoke to the Guardie several years ago, but
his statement has been lost in the shuffle and is buried in paperwork somewhere.
What's really frustrating is that had other businesses along the route been contacted by the
GUARDI, then they would have possibly had closed circuit TV that captured him walking
by after that bridge where he was last seen or picked up on camera.
So that man at his place of employment is so far back along the path,
I just don't see him circumventing the ATM machine and all these other things
that we know Trevor did. I'm not interested in him. I'm just not
interested in him. He'll be happy to hear you say that. Now,
if Trevor was a victim of foul play, there are many potential scenarios for
what could have happened. He was walking around in public after four am,
so he simply could have been the random victim of a robbery gone wrong.
But then again, it was established at Trevor's body was nowhere to be found
in the vicinity, and I'm not sure if a random mugger who crossed paths
with Trevor and killed him would go to the trouble of taking his body out
of the area to dispose of it. Well. In twenty seventeen, it
seemed like we might finally have got some answers when infeman came forward to say
that Trevor was abducted at gunpoint, placed inside a car trunk, driven to
a house, accidentally shot to death, and then buried in a wooded area.
There was good reason to think the information might be credible, since he
claims he did not want any of the reward money which was offered. But
since the subsequent excavation of the wooded area and Chapel Lizard came up empty,
it seems like the Guardian no longer believed the story. However, that doesn't
necessarily mean that the informant was lying. As he claimed, he was passing
along information which which had been shared with him by a career criminal. So
it's possible that this person was the one who was lying. Isn't it also
possible that after Trevor was taken to this wooded area, then disposed of that
because it is a high place for crime. Remember, drugs were found there,
Different paraphernalia and things like that were found there. Don't you think it's
possible that people who used that as a meeting ground, distribution ground, hiding
place realized Trevor's bodies there. We cannot have a body discovered in this wooded
area and they moved it. Oh yeah, I think that it's definitely a
possibility because it had been seventeen years up unto that point, and we know
that they found some guns and like a consignment of harrow and cocaine there during
the search. So someone might have come to the idea that this is a
place we stashed weapons and drugs. We don't want a dead body link to
this place, so move the remains somewhere else. I mean, I wouldn't
completely discount that possibility, but let's suppose there is some truth to the informant
story. I don't know what circumstances could have led to Trevor being placed into
the trunk of a car and abducted from the area. Like we said earlier,
this could have been a robbery gone wrong, or since the alleged suspect
was known to be heavily involved in the drug trade, perhaps Trevor wound up
stumbling across something he shouldn't have seen, such as a drug deal in progress
or something worse. I mean, this was after four o'clock in the morning
and the same area where a sex worker had been murdered over a drug debt
a year and a half earlier. So I can believe Trevor might have wound
up in the wrong place at the wrong time. If the informant is telling
the truth, than the original attention may not have been to kill Trevor,
or rather just abduct him in order to frighten him into staying silent about what
he saw. However, the suspect's gun went off accidentally, and now that
Trevor was dead, the responsible parties had to cover up their crime. Given
that the authorities happened to stumble across a handgun and a cache of drugs during
their excavation of the wooded area and Chapel Lizard, I can totally believe that's
the location where criminals would hide things, including a body, while no trace
of Trevor was found. Like Ashley said, I wouldn't rule out the possibility
that someone could have gotten paranoid, dug up his remains and move them elsewhere
during the two decades since the crime took place. I think that's a very
real possibility. And again it is Ireland. I mean, drinking's totally different
in partings totally different than it it necessarily is here in the US. But
at four am, my mom's telling me nothing good happen after midnight, right,
So at four am, I'm sure there's a lot of activity on the
streets. And if I'm engaged in a criminal behavior that I'm going to get
in trouble for if discovered, If any accident would Trevor happened, a hit
and run, I scared him and accidentally shot him, all these things.
You can't go to the authorities for help if you're not willing to take responsibility
for the criminal behavior you were a part of. So if something had happened
to him, accidental or purposeful, no one's able to get Trevor help if
they too were engaged in some kind of deviant behavior. So overall, this
situation is a tough one. Since the alleged suspect in Trevor's death wasn't publicly
named, we really don't know enough about him to determine the plausibility of him
being responsible, and we don't have any information about the informant to determine how
credible he is either. Frustratingly, after such a potentially major development, it
looks like the investigation is back to square one. So what is the most
plausible explanation for what happened to Trevor? Well, I definitely don't think it
was suicide, and I have my out that he died by accidentally falling into
a body of water. Since the man in black scene in the CCTV footage
by the ATM turned out to be a red herring, I do think there's
a good chance that the other man in black scene in the CCTV footage outside
BIAM headquarters is a red herring as well. But regardless, I do think
the most likely theory is that Trevor became a victim of foul play. I'm
not entirely sure if the story told by the informant is true, but if
it's not, I think the real truth might be something fairly similar. Trevor
just crossed paths with the wrong person on his walk home who did him harm.
They either abducted and murdered him in another location, or they killed him
on the street but moved his body out of the area and disposed of it
elsewhere. That is one reason I don't completely rule out the hit and run
theory, as Trevor could have simply been hit by a drunk driver, and
this person transported his body out of the area to cover their tracks. But
unfortunately, if someone out there is directly responsible for Trevor's death, they've essentially
gotten away with the perfect crime, which is pretty incredible given how much exposure
this case has received in Ireland. At the very least. However, the
Daily family have been amazing advocates for Trevor and you know that they will not
give up until they find out what happened. Trevor's parents are both near their
eighties right now, and it's heartbreaking to read just how much of a toll
this ordeal has taken on them as they've grown older. When you read stories
about the parents of missing victims getting up there in age and hoping to see
a resolution before they leave this world, you sincerely hope this can happen.
So if you have any information about the disappearance of Trevor Deely, please contact
the appropriate authorities. Jules Ashley any final thoughts on this case. This is
the only thing that there is to say about this case is how tragic it
is for a family who is mourning the loss of Trevor's presence and aren't particularly
sure what to be mourning right, not sure what happened to him. They're
not sure. There's no one hundred percent guarantee that he died that night,
that he's deceased now, but the likelihood is that he is. So his
poor family is in this position where they have, from the time he went
missing to today decades later, advocated for media coverage, advocated that Trevor's story
be remembered, advocated that his own personal memory and legacy is remembered, and
they're still in some ways holding a space for him in their own family,
asking what if right? And so it's heartbreaking. My disheart and soul go
out to a family who's saying, please, don't forget who Trevor was.
Can you guys imagine if decades later someone came forward and said, I know
what happened. It is very interesting that that one informant did come forward with
a pretty powerful story. Were they lying? It's possible that they want attention,
but they didn't get much and they didn't ask for any money. So
part of me thinks that there is a nuggative truth in there. Right.
Do they have the whole story? Possibly not, but man, it takes
one person and time ends up being on the family side when decades have passed.
So prayers that someone who knows what happened can come forward and give this
families some answers. Before I give my final thoughts, just one question,
Robin, So the informant they came forward, do we know if that informant
has any connection to the unnamed suspect. I'm not entirely sure. They haven't
really made that clear. I'm guessing so because apparently this unnamed suspect told this
story of some sort, so I guess they must have had a close relationship
at some point, but I know that the Guardia kept details very secret from
the public. Yeah, it's really interesting. I wish we knew more,
and I agree with everything you said, Ash. It's just so tragic for
the family to have nowhere that they can go to more in the loss of
Trevor, to not have his physical body, and just to have zero answers.
I think we have not a lot to go on here. But I
just don't think the idea that he fell into a body of water is all
that plausible. I think there would have been some trace that would have showed
up over time. And I mean, of course I don't think that he
completed suicide, because you would find the body, and it just doesn't seem
like his behavior was in line with somebody who wanted to end their own life.
And I know sometimes you can't see it coming, but he literally just
a short while before made plans for later that weekend with a friend, and
he'd seen all the people that night. He seemed to be in good spirits.
It just seems like he came across the wrong person. Whatever their motive
was, be it robbery or something else that is unknown right now, and
for whatever reason they decided to end his life. It is just so tragic
that nobody has come forward because I feel like this is a where more than
one person will know what had happened to Trevor, and like should have concrete
details, and I guess that's what the informant was potentially doing with where the
body could have been but may have been moved. It's really sad that the
parents don't have those remains and to this day don't have a concrete answer as
to what happened to Trevor. Yeah. I've been following this case for years,
ever since I covered it on the Trail Went Cold nearly six years ago,
and I still find it to be one of the most haunting cases I've
ever seen, because it's just one of those things where there were a bunch
of wrong circumstances which put Trevor in his position where if he had been able
to take a taxi home to his apartment from the party, but there was
a strike so that he otherwise would have been safe, and if it had
been raining hard, he probably just would have walked straight home without stopping by
his workplace to pick up an umbrella, so things might have turned out differently.
And the reason I decided to revisit this case recently because they made that
shocking announcement that the man in black seen passing by the ATM camera had been
identified and ruled out as having any involvement in Trevor's disappearance. And I have
to admit that for years I thought this guy might have had some involvement,
that maybe he was following Trevor, and that he may have abducted him at
a later time or killed him. But since we know that's not the case,
this investigation is right back to square one, and it has taken such
a toll on the Daily family that they just said that it was a bittersweet
moment to have this new lead, saying that, well, I'm glad we
can close the chapter on this lead and not devote any more resources to it.
But at the same time, if this man was not involved in Trevor's
disappearance, then what did happen to him? We've got nothing to work with,
and I think the closes we have is this story from the informant about
Trevor crossing paths with some criminal figures who killed him that night and disposed of
his body. And while this full story about him being shot accidentally at an
apartment may not be entirely true, I do think that what actually did happen
to Trevor that there are some elements of truth in it. I think it's
something similar. I think he just prospassed with the wrong person and that they
killed him and disposed of his body and have just somehow managed to get away
with it. And like we talked about, what may lead to this case
being solved is for the right person to come forward, and we went in
a step in the right direction when that informant came forward in twenty seventeen,
but unfortunately it didn't pan out, but I do have a feeling that there
are other people out there who might know the full truth, who might have
the answers, so hopefully they do come forward at some point, and then
maybe the Daley family will finally get a resolution after twenty three years. Robin,
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