Hi, listeners, quick little PSA for you guys before you start this episode.
My lovely father is our guest today to talk about some cryptid lore and
stuff like that. And he is new to the world of recording and may
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Hopefully you guys don't mind. It's a really fun conversation that I have with
my father, and I think it's still worth a listen, so enjoy.
And he also says he apologizes, so enjoyed this episode. Hello listeners,
and welcome back to a Cryptic k Bous episode. My name's Victoria, but
you can call me Vicky, but you might know me as Oprah and the
creator of the show, and I am here today with I have very special
guest, the voice of the Mayor, but also my father, Tony Pereira.
Hi, VICKI, Hi everyone. We wanted to bring you guys a
little bonus episode, giving you guys a little bit of bonus content between our
final season. So our show is called Cryptid Cape and evidently would wouldn't you
know, there's a bunch of cryptids in it, And as far as cryptid
experts go, I don't know a lot of them, and I don't know
if you would call yourself a cryptid expert, but I would say my father
is well versed in his cryptids, and I thought it would be super fun
to have him on and talk about Krypti's talk about how I got the idea
for the show from a lot of the stuff that you know, I was
raised on, and talk about the miss behind some of our favorite characters from
the show. It sounds like fun. Yeah, So first off, tell
me, father, how did you get into cryptid? What are you?
What are your opinions on cryptids? You know when you first asked me that,
I actually had to stop and think about it. I've been into cryptids
before they were called cryptids. So when I when I was a kid,
probably in the in the early to mid seventies, there were many TV shows,
some for kids and some were nightly shows that dealt with different subjects.
Back then, they weren't called cryptids. But every once in a while they
would introduce a bigfoot into an episode of some series I enjoyed, like some
one called The six Million Dollar Man. Oh yeah, yeah, somehow they
I forgive what the plot was, but Bigfoot got into one of those episodes.
It was great. I guess what I'm saying is when I was,
when I was younger, I really got interested in the the improbable, I
guess, and I don't know. I guess the Shrink would have a field
date with me on why that was. But the more I thought about your
question setting up for this today, I imagine it was because maybe growing up
in a city, there was a lot of grit and reality around me,
and Cryptids was just an opportunity to maybe get away from that for a while
and again look at the improbable and maybe the impossible. But it was a
fun way to escape. And there was never a shortage of anthology series that
dealt with some of these things, like Something Cold in Search of hosted by
none other than mister Spock. Yeah. Yes, it was a series of
half hour shows that dealt into mysteries that bring me to Triangle and the Locked
Ands Monster, etc. And I just I just ate that stuff up.
I was, I was, I was their model consumer for that content.
If you want to call it that. Yeah, and then from one crypto
to another. Right, I just couldn't get enough of them, So I
went from Bigfoot to Lockness to the Jersey Devil and so on so forth.
When cable comes around and you have more choices for viewing different content and materials,
and they start segregating into the History Channel and Destination America, etc.
And they start programming specifically targeting these kind of subjects. Yeah, yeah,
I feel like it all kind of started with like the I think I feel
like it was like the og Ghost Hunters that kicked off that whole era of
like weird like paranormal reality content. You might be right. Remember your brother
Kevin was so into those Ghost Hunters. Remember it was little I used to
watch them too. Yeah, it was fascinating stuff, some of those episodes.
Yeah, I had a heart time with the spooky stuff. But sure
they were they were good. But I'm pretty sure that was like, maybe
not the first one, but I feel like all the stuff like that definitely
spawned all the ghost shows. But I can't remember any like finding Bigfoot kind
of style stuff for like, you know, documentaries about the Yetti or whatever.
Before that, Really there were but they were probably not as many and
almost in the background of more popular genres. Yeah, but I just thought
of something to remember. The old cartoon series Scooby Doo dealt with a lot
of this stuff. Yeah, right from right from my youth. I mean
I was targeted for the stuff and I just fell hook line and sinker exactly
for it. So yeah, and then maybe related to it. I was
a big horror fan growing up. Oh yeah, I couldn't get enough of
it. And that started with a boiler your grandmother to me, sit down
when I I'll never forget. I'm watching The Day of the Triffids, which
was an English movie about these these plants that had come as spores to the
to the Earth from outer space and they grew to six eight foot tell and
they could walk, they could creep, and they could chase you. And
you know, I remember watching it with the cover brought up, you know,
to to my nose, right right above my nose, just so I
could see just enough so I could see, and watched the TV and I
was hooked. That was it. From then on, any kind of scary
frank and sign a whirlwoof movie whatever, I was there for it. Yeah,
I remember growing up, you you watched a lot of like scary movies
and stuff like that. I very particularly remember one instance where I was working
on something on the desktop computer and you were sitting on the couch watching jeeper
screepers, and I was like, out of the corner of my eye,
I keep looking and I'm like, what is happening to the children, And
I was like, I can't do this, I have to go. But
yeah, I feel like I got into the ghost stuff more so than the
cryptic stuff first. And like I never really watched any of the like the
Bigfoot shows and stuff when those started coming on, But I think, like,
I don't know, there was you know what it was, Remember those
weird New Jersey books. Yes, sure, yeah, I feel like that
kind of stuff like that, And like I like to read about the ghosts
of like in Kate and May and things like that. And then like you,
you slowly bridge the gap over into like, ah, yes, the
Jersey Devils, Champy at least Tramplain. Yes, yes, all that stuff.
It's campy, it's it's fun. It's just again it's a departure from
the every day, you know, day in, day out kind of stuff.
It's it's entertainment, it's entertaining. And then I think, as a
kid, you know, you're you're I'm naive and innocent, and I'm lapping
this stuff up and I don't. I don't think I I believed it.
It was more like I would tune in to see if they finally had that
definitive piece of film, or if they captured one, or you know,
uh, maybe unfortunately a corpse of one, you know, found in the
wild. I think that's why I kept coming back, right, That's that's
why you keep tuning into these series sometimes just to get that that closure.
Yeah, but obviously that's never happened. So now I think I watch more
just just out of can't be fun. Yeah, you know we've always joked
me and you about another fuzzy video afe. Oh, yes, just what
they always show on these these programs. Yes, although a couple of them
have have made me go, hmm, what is that? You know?
Yeah, just fun stuff, fun stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's funny.
I feel like I like I'm in the same way where I'm like,
yeah, like all this stuff is kind of like it's just fun and it's
campy and everything, but like there's those certain things, especially with ghosts.
More so, I think there's like those couple videos. I think a lot
of things are like people exaggerate, but there's a couple out there where I'm
like, I don't know how you explain that, and it's like that that
sort of thing, and it's fun right right, And then of course it
is television, you there's always that possibility that it could be staged. But
sometimes when they send it to a video expert and the person pours over and
says, this, this isn't fake that I don't see any sign of any
kind of intervention here. This is this is the actual full video, untouched.
Then you were like what they capture? Then, yeah, exactly,
And that makes excellent fodder for somebody like me who hates writing realistic fiction and
only wants to write fantasy. So that is why I u as a little
segue into the other stuff that we wanted to talk about today. Obviously,
I have a bunch of characters that are cryptids on the show, and a
lot of those are based in Some of them I have kind of created my
own versions of these, like paranormal being sort of things, but a lot
of them are based in real myth and stuff like that, and so I
thought we could we could hit chat about some of those. I know you
did some research, I know you prepped. Yeah, so of the cryptids
that you mentioned that we were going to talk about, namely the Lockness Monster
and the Jersey Devil, Mothman, and Bigfoot, I looked up some of
the the legends and the stories surrounding these these characters. Because it's funny,
even though I've watched all this stuff for years, I just have like a
mishmash of of information. Oh yeah. It's also the nature of them being
like urban legend kind of things. There's a million tellings of the same story
with like a bunch of different details, you know, so like, yeah,
you kind of lose track of like, oh wait, what is the
what is this actually supposed to be? Yeah? Yeah, but yeah,
where should we start? Yeah, so we'll start with with Nessy Blackness Monster
over into Scotland. And I imagine that anyone tuning into this this program doesn't
need background on these cryptogs. Yeah, I think they probably They probably have
the basics on it. We all know the general background, right that this
one thing, if it is only one animal, which is highly doubtful.
If it does exist, it has a long neck, and from time to
time over the last centuries it's been seen to surface and swim around a little
bit and then dive again, never to be seen again for another fifty or
sixty years, unfortunately. And it's supposed to look like a almost like a
dinosaur kind of thing, right, like a swimming dinosaur. Please just saw
something like that, yes, yes, And then again, going back to
my childhood, when I was a kid in Catholic school, they would have
book fairs, and I remember early on second third grade, whatever it was.
In the book fair, they had this one book where it was kind
of cheesy. It was just a paper a paper book, and at the
end you had all these stickers, color stickers, and you would carefully break
out the stickers according to their their perforated you know, little holes around the
figure and stick them on the page where they belonged. And one of them
was a dinosaur book and of course as a pleasiosaur chasing a smaller fish with
this really mean looking face. So I think the first night, maybe it
was on the show in Search of when mister Spock told us about this thing
that could be a pleasiosaur. Well, I wasn't going anywhere except in front
of that TV, right, yeah. But anyway, I did a little
reading on the locked and sponsor and apparently the legend actually dates back to stone
carvings or drawings in caves in the area that look like please resource yeah right,
which is kind of odd because supposedly they right, they existed, you
know, a long time or they they ceased to exist, supposedly a long
time before a man ever walked the air. But and then the first written
account, which I thought was kind of funny, was where Nessie has just
attacked one swimmer and then he's about to attack a second one on this lake.
But this Saint Columba who was at the shore told it to stop,
and it did and it just went back, it said yes basically, And
this was in five sixty five ap Oh my god. Yeah, yeah,
it goes back that for jes So again, this audience probably is aware of
some of these parts of the legend, but if it does exist, the
thing are being that way back when, you know, in geological time,
these lakes in Scotland were actually much higher in water level, so that they
were connected to the oceans and supposedly that's how these animals swam back and forth.
But somehow as the the general global water level dropped, these lakes got
these these these regions of water got cut off from the ocean. It became
lakes and supposedly trapped these animals there. There are some inconsistencies there, because
scientists will tell you if these animals are real with their given their size,
there has to be a formidable population of fish to sustain them, and that
just doesn't exist in these lakes. There are some fish, but nowhere near
the amount that would be necessary to maintain a colony of these swimming animals unless,
as true believers will will come back with us, there are some tunnels
under underwater, undercave tunnels that will connect the lakes to the oceans. Yeah,
I don't know. I didn't find anything, or really I didn't look
at anything to tell me whether the waters in these locks or lakes which the
Scottish I guess call them locks. I didn't find out if these water bodies
of water are brackish or not to indicate that they are mixed with the oceans
somehow. So that would be an interesting find if it were, because then
that would lead to the explanation that maybe there are some tunnels that connect the
oceans to the locks. Maybe the Lockness monsteries actually just sustaining itself on eating
people. How many how many missing persons? Yes, the authorities like to
doctor the numbers a little bit to keep the tourists coming back. Then there
were there were smatterings of sightings here and there again, though you know,
no pictures, no film, just first hand account here's say, yeah,
word of mouth. But the one interesting was the one interesting one was the
one where they had just finished, I guess, cutting through or paving this
road that ran parallel to the lake. And this couple was out there driving
the lake one time, just for an afternoon drive, and they swear that
they saw this strange creature walk across the road out of the forest and walk
across the road and then dive into the lake, which would lead you to
believe that this thing is amphibious or that it has some sort of a blowhole.
But no one's ever reported seeing these things surface or breach to breathe.
Right, So then again the true believer will come back and say, well,
maybe it's like a turtle, right, it lives in the ocean all
its life, but it has to come on land to spawn whatever, you
know, I mean, how big is nesty supposed to be? Like?
That must have been like tractor trailer size crossing the road, right, Yeah,
it's pretty big. Yep, he's just flopping around walking across the street.
I don't know if a lot of people know this, but I know
you know this because you suggested that we go visit it when I was like
middle school or high school. But there's there's a mini NeSSI in the US.
Yes, yeah, there's a lake called Lake Champlain and upstate New York
where they have adopted the myth. I don't know how many sightings there's been.
I've never really looked into that much, but they've kind of adopted the
myth of the Lochness Monster. But they have their own monster and it's they
call him Champi and they have a whole little cottage of the street. Yeah,
you know, it's great spring up around this this particular alledge. So
it's cute. So obviously we have had the Lockness well not the Lochness Monster,
but we've had a sea monster in the show. In season two,
there's like a hole with like the sea monster that's terrorizing Bluff And I think
I took I took some inspiration from the Lochness monster myth. I took some
liberties with the story. Of course, obviously, the the myth of nessie
H. Inherently we have not heard from the sea monster but mine and the
story decides to talk to the gang and everything, and it's a little more
active, a little more present, yes, but a little more threatening maybe.
Yeah. Obviously there's been so many, so many sea monster mythologies.
There's the Kraken, there's the the the meg the meg too, yes,
yes, oh my, you don't have them more to run too, that
guy when you're on I mean even like even like Jaws in a way,
like it's kind of the sea monster vibe, but put in a little bit
more of a realistic sense. Yes, yes, yes, I mean if
you really consider the size of some of these animals out there, they truly
are monsters in the in the in the real sense of the world Wales.
Because of their their sheers yo. Yeah, their size compared to humans,
they really humble you. If you see them up close and you see the
power, you can see why maybe you know, ancient ancient people's would would
call these things monsters. Yeah, because it was hard to really wrap your
head around the power that and the potential they could have. Just before we
leave Nessie. It's probably my least favorite one, only because the sightings have
been so infrequent, and the most famous picture was debunked the person Yeah no,
when the person who took the picture said he was working with someone who
made a model just from from the neck up, and they put it like
on a little floating thing, and they put it on the lake and they
took a picture of it. Amazing, amazing, exactly even knowing that though,
I remember as a kid watching that one episode of In Search of about
NeSSI, and the one thing I remember about it was pretty boring, right
because you're mostly looking at the surface of a very dark lake, very cold
lake. Right. But the one thing I do remember is they actually I
forget if the boat belonged to the production crew or they maybe chartered the boat,
but they sent out a scientist with this modern sonar equipment to go up
and down across the lake and see if you could find something. And there
was just this one moment where they actually showed the recording of the sonar where
it hit some target, hit back, a very large target, pretty deep
because these lakes are really deep. Apparently they were carved by glaciers eons ago,
so they're very deep. And when the boat skipper or captain turned around
to try to go back and see if you could verify the target, he
was gone. It was probably an anomaly. But even though so in our
experts said, usually don't get anomalies that that that that big. You get
blips, but not something this huge, you know, but it didn't really.
It was just a blob. It didn't have a shape like a pleasiosaur
or something. So again no pictures, no film, no proof. Yeah,
unfortunately that's Nasy's or not or it's a log. So who's next on
the down? So the next one that you had mentioned was the moth Man.
Yes, and I know that one is special to you because you actually
visited it's stomping grounds. Yes, yes, yes, I did. The
moth Man special to me for many reasons. There's a statue of him in
West Virginia, which is uh. I'll let you talk about the lore for
it and everything, but it's a it's where he's from, and we happened
to be in West Virginia, Me and Caroline, who placed Sybil, and
our other friend. We went because we are big fans of the McElroy brothers
and their series of podcasts. They have a show every year that they do
during the winter holidays that they call Candle Nights and it's a charity show that
they put on in their hometown in Huntington, West Virginia, and we got
tickets and wanted to go, so we made the trek out there and it
was so fun, and then we realized that we were only about an hour
and a half away from the town where the Mothman's from and we needed to
go see the statue. So we did. It was great, very small
town, Point Pleasant, Yes, Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Y.
Yeah, the Mothman's fun. The Mothman also has like I don't know if
you've seen this done because you're not on a lot of social media and stuff,
but as far as Kryptids go, oh, everybody loves the moth Man.
Really. People are nuts for this dude. I don't know why,
but there is like a there is a collective love for the moth Man.
I don't I don't know, he just he just like like people make like
plushies of this dude now and like just fun little like everybody. It's just
it's become like a meme in itself on the internet too. Now it's just
like, really okay, anything about the moths, like everyone's favorite cryptid,
which I think is funny. Yeah, I was gonna say to me,
this one is a little odd because it's it's like a cross between folklore and
a Marvel moving. We have a humanoid shape, it's kind of with large
wings and it can fly really fast, right, he's kind of yes,
yes, if you look at the legend, supposedly, uh, it was
chasing a car at one time, going like eight right, So that's pretty
quick. Just to briefly go through again, it's history. I think it
all started in nineteen sixty six in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Right.
The two couples went out for a drive in the evening, young young couples,
and they were driving around this place that had been used to produce TNT
munitions during World War Two, so it had been abandoned years earlier, but
it was a good place I guess for kids to go and and hang out
and have fun. And that night they basically you know, ran into the
police, the nearby police station, screaming that they had seen this, this
monster, this figure that looked like looked like a man, a muscular man
as toll as seven feet twelve with with white wings and red eyes. Right,
yeah, that's it. And so after they they made this report,
of course the newspapers got got ahold of it, and the next day there
were hundreds of people with their guns out near this munitions plant. They were
going to find this this monster. Of yeah, if you don't understand it,
kill it, then we'll ask your question, what the hell's operator?
She would first ask questions later. But of course they didn't find morth Man.
But but they did give birth to the legend. Right, many were
convinced that these kids had just seen a very large bird. Right, Some
naturalists thrown around there that might have been that might have been suspected, although
to the day of their death, they always stuck to their story what they
saw. But again, naturalists in the area said, you know, we
have these large birds that migrate through there, namely I think sandhill crane and
and and a heron, and I think one of the two actually has this
red flesh around the eyes, which which if your headlights happened to hit it
straight on, it's gonna look really spooky, right if you've never seen one.
Yeah, those kids stuck to their stories, and which is interesting because
they were met with a lot of notoriety. You know, some people believed
them, but others thought that they were just trying to pull a hoax that
was making the area look bad. Yeah, so they they were ostracized a
bit actually in the community. But even with that, they stuck to their
stories. Give them credit for that. However, there were some pranksters,
like I read where a group of contractors or construction workers at one night they
got a bunch of helium balloons and they tied small, small flashlights to him
and and they set them off, you know, in town. So that
caused some hysteria as well, of course, you know, but all in
good fun. Yeah, and then things took bridge collapse, right, was
that what you're gonna say? I was just going to get into that.
Yeah. It was all fun and games until that night this silver bridge collapsed
in nineteen sixty seven. And when that happened, the Mothman made made headlines
again. People were like, we saw him, he was and that I
remember, like, yeah, Like some people were like, we saw him.
He was the bridge collapse, and other people were like, we saw
him. He was trying to warn us of the bridge. And everybody's like,
yep, I don't we have other things to deal with right now.
You had the Mothman as friend camp and the Mothman as the folk exactly team
versus team. Yes, but yeah, this bridge, I guess it connected
Point Pleasant in West Virginia to a place called Gallapolis in Ohio, and one
night right before Christmas, forgot six on the fifteenth, I guess, there
was a lot of traffic and at one point traffic had been stopped on it
and there were too many cars. The bridge had not been maintained properly.
The design was not the best, but it was efficient at the time,
and it collapsed and forty six souls were lost that night. Some people,
then, like you said, cited that they had seen the Morthman flying around
the bridge just days before it happened, And again people were split on whether
it was a warning or whether it was a causation right of the collapse.
So also over the years, the number of people who originally saw the Mothman.
Around nineteen sixty six has only grown. But ultimately, in reality,
there were only a few people, those two young couples and maybe one or
two other people at night that saw that thought they saw something strange. But
again, in the end, we have eyewitness accounts right of an event that
occurred at night, very dark, right at an abandoned manufacturing point, leading
to descriptions of a cryptod that sounds alike like a very well known large bird,
yeah right, that occasionally would migrate, not all the time, but
it would occasionally migrate through that area. So these young kids would not be
very familiar with this animal. Yeah, but unfortunately, again no film,
no pictures. There is a statue though, but there's a statue. Yes,
there's a statue, and there is a menacing looking statue. Yeah.
Yes, the museum that you went to. Yeah, we only went to
the front part of the museum because then they wanted twenty bucks for us to
go to the rest of it. And I was like, I'm not but
I guess they need that Torus money of course. But yeah, it's a
The Mothman is as a special place in my heart. It's a fun legend.
I like the like I'm glad that I've gotten to like see the the
statue and everything. Anyone who's listening to this is probably like, if the
Mothman so special to you, why isn't he in the show? Because they're
right, I don't have the Mothman in the show. Like I said,
it's very recently gotten like super popular online and stuff, but there's not like
a lot of depictions of him outside of the original story. And like the
one of the only depictions that I've seen that I have absolutely fallen in love
with is from the macilroy brothers, and they have a D and D podcast,
right, and in one of their campaigns, their whole the whole stick
of the campaign was there were an adventuring group that lives in like modern day
West Virginia in the Appalachian area by like the Green Bank Telescope, so they're
kind of in like a radio quiet area, but that there's uh, there's
a portal to another world where all the cryptids come from. So there's like,
like the Mothman's a character in the show, and he is so excellently
done that I'm like, I can't I can't top this, and his the
Mothman's whole thing is that like I think it came from the idea that he
like somehow predicted the bridge collapse and was like trying to warn people like that
whole thing. They were like, oh, he can see the future,
like he knows all that kind of stuff, and and I had thought about,
like, well I could do that, but like I kind of already
have an oracle figure because like Lizzie was there from the beginning and she's kind
of the oracle. And I'm like, I don't need that many people see
in the future. That's we'll make things too easy for them, you know.
So I never I never included the moth Man, but I do love
him dearly. Well, maybe he'll end up in some other venturect future,
right, some other projects exactly. All right, Next up, moving along,
we have one that's near and dear to me, and that is the
Jersey Devil. Yeah, and of course that's yep, that's yeah, he's
he's dear to my heart because I've practically lived my whole life in New Jersey,
so we're we're cold residents of the same state, so to speak,
Yes, very different areas though he's he's South Jersey, yes, right,
he he hails from a region in our lovely garden state called the Pine Barrens
Pine Barrens, yes, otherwise known as the pine Lands. Yes, And
this area is is in a large part of the southern New Jersey. In
fact, it stretches across seven counties and it makes up twenty five percent of
the total areas of state, which is incredible. Wild. Is that wild?
Yeah? In case you wonder when the Pine Barrens gets its name from
the sandy, acidic, nutrient poor soil that's found in the area. Parts
to grow things are. Yeah, they originally called it the pine barrens because
they were like, we can't grow anything here. And now more in modern
times they're like, well, it's the pine Lands because like despite it being
like not a good place to grow things, it is like a very unique
ecosystem and we should like keep this around. So it also, I believe,
is a huge aquifer. Oh yeah, for the region's water, producing
some of the cleanest water around. They say, from what I read in
the accounts so history legend, Yes, the Jersey Devil rights. It's it's
a pretty mature legend. It's it's got many many angles to it, but
the simplest one is that in seventeen thirty five, a woman named Jane Leads,
otherwise known as Mother Leads. She had twelve kids already, and when
she finds out that she's pregnant with a thirteenth, oh yeah, God,
she cursed this child in frustration, declaring that this child would be a devil.
Right. So, as a legend has it, on a stormy night
and she's surrounded by by her midwife and her friends. She goes into labor
and she gives birth to what appears to be a normal child, but almost
instantly this thing transforms to have hoofs and a goat's head, bats, wings,
and a forked tail. Okay, and it runs around in havoc,
you know, braising, breaking cups and glasses and stuff, before it finally
flies up the chimney, you know, into the woods, never to be
seen for a while anyway. But if you look deeper into it, some
connect this legend with the history of the family Leads, which was pretty influential.
I think they were publishers, newspaper publishers, so they had political influence,
and at one point they fell out of favor with the Quaker community down
there, and so maybe at one point the influential, rich patriarch. The
Quakers thought of him as as a devil, as a bad guy, so
that might have added or maybe sprung the legend a bit. It gave it
its beginnings. There are other factors to it, that there were some connections
with England and that for there's the the idea, there's there's some historical records
that this family did have a woman with nine kids or ten kids, so
you could see the connections there. But there's also the fact that the original
inhabitants of the Pine Barrens, going going way back, even before the seventeen
thirty five birth of the Jersey Double, they believed that the area was inhabited
or or haunted right by by a spirit called m Singh M Singh. When
we're talking about like the like native tribes and their native tribes, the Lenni
Lenape's yes, which were there, the native New Jersey Indians, and this
this M sing creature sometimes took the form of why didn't you know it?
A deer light creature with leathery wings. Okay, okay, So I think
there was submerging of legends and myths and convenience stories and maybe political storylines right
to influence people at the time. But in any event, no cryptid legend
is authentic without sightings, right, and this one is no difference. So
I looked up some of the more famous sightings, and there was a commander
or a commodore, Stephen Decatur okay, visiting from England. He was visiting
some cannon ball making factors, okay, when supposedly he saw this creature up
in the air and he fired one of his He had one of his annion
balls fired on it. Supposedly he hit it, but it didn't have any
impact that the creature just kept flying away. Oh my god, again with
the shoot first asked questions later of course, of course, yeah, you
can't take credit for it unless you kill it right and hould it in right.
So and then this one's really interesting. The brother of Napoleon Bonaparte Okay,
his brother Joseph. Apparently they had an estate in BOARDENTWN and he would
go there to do some hunting, and he says he saw something that fit
the description. Yes, I had never heard of that one until I read
about it this week. It's crazy. And then there were the occasional reports
of livestock killings mutilations. Yeah, it gets kind of with that kind of
stuff into the realm of like chupacabra esque things of like, like instead of
a goat killer, it's a goat that is killing livestock. But there is
a story I need to share with you, Okay. It was I think
you guys gave me a book for Christmas on all this stuff, and there
was this one story in it. It was about a guy probably in his
sixties at the time, and he shared something that happened to him when he
was about twelve or thirteen living down there in South Jersey. He would go
to the pine barrens with his dad to go fishing, you know, during
the summer a lot. And one morning he remembers it's really foggy, so
they can't they can't go in the lake yet it would be dangerous, right,
So, waiting on shore, and as the fox starts to lift,
he hears a noise just about fifteen twenty feet in front of him at the
water's edge, right, because they were back on land waiting. Hey,
I know that, yes, what is that? Yes? But anyway,
he says this as a boy, he's looking at at where this noise is
coming. From and as the fox starts to lift, he sees what looks
like a large head with a like like like a nostril kind of you know,
like like a dog or a horse kind of thing, attached to these
very strong looking shoulders. And but there's no hair. It's like leathery,
no hair at all. And then he's just, you know, what is
that is that? Is it a dog? Is it, like you said,
maybe a coyote or something. It's something a canine, right, it
looked like a canine almost. But then he says, as the fog lifted
more and more, this thing spreads these wings to to his little boy's eyes,
they looked like they were ten twelve feet wide, all leather. Again,
he says he could almost see through them, like transparent, like he
could see the veins and stuff through the leather. And this thing gets up
on its legs. It's about six feet twelve. It does one or two
swoops with the wings and it's up in the air and it's gone. And
as it flies across the lake, it's heading for the forest, and the
forest is pretty dense down there, right, he said, I'm thinking this
thing is going to crash into the trees. They're so dense. But as
he approached, as this thing approaches the trees, he says that it goes
from a horizontal attitude. I guess it is to completely vertical, so it
can it can get between the trees if he just he says, it flew
between it disappeared, didn't see it again. That was weird. I thought,
you know, i'm reading this d I'm reading this story, you know,
just an entertaining story and one of these, you know, fun books.
But then to throw that detail in there, Yeah, I thought that
was interesting. Right, So he says twenty years later, I'm the leader
of a boy Scout trooper and I take him to uh, like I think
it was in Philadelphia, some museum of Natural History whatever, and the tour
guide is walking us through, and they got on the store of the Jersey
Devil, and he described what he saw as a kid or he he started
to describe it, and the tour guide said, but we know, that's
that's all, you know, a fun story we make up to to to
entertain ourselves around the campfire, et cetera. He cut him off, basically,
and he continued with the tour. But later when the boys are when
when the when the day is over and the boys are in the cafeteria are
ready to go back, you know, back home. The tour guide pulled
him aside and said, listen, I apologize for cutting you off, but
what you were you what you were describing was described to me by two others
who saw the same thing, and I just didn't want to scare the boys.
Oh. They they've come to me with the same story. Yeah,
yeah, he said. I don't know what that is. I don't know
what what kind of animal that is, Like I don't want to deal with
it. Yeah, no, he said, He said, I just wanted
you to know that you're not alone. And I wasn't being rude. I
just didn't want to scare the boys too much. But again, it's kind
of like what you said about the Mothman, is that there was this flurry
of sightings and hysteria and then just nothing for the longest time. Yeah right.
Also, for the record, nobody outside of New Jersey knows what the
Jersey Devil is unless you live in like maybe Pa or is that right?
Oh yeah, he's not as big as huh, because I'll say something about
like oh yeah, ha, how Jersey Devil and they're like, what,
what is the Jersey Devil? And I'm like, you've never heard of the
Jersey Devil. He needs a better publicity agent, I think, yeah,
apparently, but also like I kind of get it. Like until I moved
to California, I didn't hear. I didn't know what a Fresno Nightcrawler was,
which is a that's for a whole other episode. Those are weird.
Those are weird and fun. They look like a big pants pants. Yeah,
I'll explain. Yeah, Like the Jersey Devil is such a fun myth
and I feel like in when you grow up in New Jersey, if you
have even an inkling of interest in the paranormal, you weren't gonna hear about
the Jersey Devil. And it's like a fun story. And the Pine Barrens
are also just kind of notorious for a lot of reasons. You know,
it's like a weird area. Like you said, the trees are like really
densely packed and stuff, and it's like forested, like basically no one lives
there, Like it's like the Black Forest kind of, you know, the
New Jersey's own version of the Black exactly. And it's like no one goes
in there because there's no reason to go in there. Really, there's no
reason. Yeah, But so so it's a lot of fodder for things like
you know, also there's whole mob connections of we're gonna go bury somebody out
on the Pine Bearns. Yeah, yeah, they won't be looking in there
exactly. So like there's like just a lot of lore around that area,
so it makes sense that like the Jersey Devile would kind of hang on.
Also, there's a freaking hockey team, the Jersey Devil. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I guess you couldn't be into the hockey either if you're going
to claim you don't know the Jersey Devils, right, which I find that
so funny. I feel like there's a there's a I think it is a
hockey team as well. There's a Seattle hockey team that recently either was recently
created or recently changed their names or something, but they're called the Krakens,
and beside them and New Jersey, I don't think I've ever heard of any
other team that is using a fictional creature as their mascot, you know what
I mean. And I just think it's so fun. But it makes sense
because they're kind of like right on the water or two writes exactly. But
yeah, so as far as the Jersey Devil myth goes with the podcast,
I'm sure as you were telling that story, Keen listeners might have noticed that
I took a whole ton of inspiration for Francy from the actual mythology of the
of the Jersey Devil, because I was like, if the Jersey Devil is
going to be in this, first of all, there is there is like
one kind of iteration of how the Jersey Devil myth came about. Right,
It's like pretty clear, It's like pretty documented as far as like the myth
right and the mother leads and the thirteenth kid and blah blah blah, you
know what I mean. Yeah, So I was like, I want to
stay really true to the the lore and also because like like I said,
like nobody knows what the Jersey Devil is outside of New Jersey, and I
want to. I want to, I want to teach, I want to
have the right ship. So yes, a yeah, So Francy Francisco his
last name is Leeds. His mother, he's not the thirteenth kid, but
he is one of seven children. He got his power. He grew up
in New Jersey and South Jersey and he got his powers. The lore is
he went to a lake in the pine barrens because they were out like you
know, playing around in high school whatever. He he ends up falling into
this magic lake gets these powers, right, So he gets he's bestowed the
powers in a different way. He's not just born as as the scary Jessy
devil and flies out the chimney. But and then all of his powers are
very like, very based in the legends. So he like when he is
in his cryptid form, he has hoofs and he's got the wings, and
he's got the goat heead and he could talk to goats and he can fly
and all this stuff. Right, So just the lt wrong, great guy,
Yeah, Francis my face, Yeah, Francis. Just for for our
listeners too. There is a Leeds Point, New Jersey. Yes about that.
So again, like we were kind of alluding to before, it seems
like in every myth and every legend there is a bit of truth. Yeah,
you know that exactly. You just have to pull on that string and
see where it leads. Yeah, Francis, Francis Francie's uh. I suppose
accuracy to the to the lore of his cryptid is something I'm quite proud of
because I just I had so much fun with that. You know. Yeah,
he is a fun crypto. He is he's great, he's he's a
real hell raiser. Oh yeah, runs up your roof and sounds like there's
a goat up there, you know, Yes, messages with your livestock and
everything else. So ye. At the beginning of our cryptid segment, I
had asked you first, like, which crypto do you want to start with?
Which one's your favorite? But you were like, maybe we should go
from least favorite to favorite. So yes, that means yes, Bigfoot sasquatch,
Yes, skunk ape excuse me? Yeah, who calls it a skunk
ape? The interesting thing about Bigfoot is that when I was a kid,
I thought the legend of Bigfoot was constrained only to the Pacific northwest. Right,
and then again, cable TV comes around, right, and you have
more choices and your channel surfing and ooh, what's this. This is a
guy down in Kentucky saying he saw something in Kentucky, right, Or here's
another guy down in Arkansas. Saying he saw something. And the one thing
about these bigfoot sightings, the one constant is that anyone who gets close enough
to it says that it's got this foul stench of like musk and sweat and
just bad odor, all of them. And I forget where it is.
It might be the Arkansas when they call it the skunk Cape, or Florida.
I think they call it the skunk Cape, right, because it definitely
is if it exists, it is a primate, right, It certainly looks
like a very large gorilla perhaps, or more specifically, something else I saw
recently. It looks more like an orangutane, right than a gorilla. But
I think I find it most intriguing, this particular legend, because at its
core, it's really kind of ordinary, right, Like I said, it's
just it's just some sort of a primate. Yeah, what's so impossible about
that? Right? When I was a kid, and you tell me if
you felt the same way. Right when you're a kid and you're in second
third grade, your teachers are like, god, oh right, they know
everything. Yeah, And the impression that I got from my teachers was we
know everything that raised on this planet to now, Yeah, we've we've searched,
and we've found, and we've cataloged and screened everything. We know everything.
But then as you get older, then you hear, well, the
forests of the Pacific Northwest is so dense that there are areas of humans.
I've never gotten into. What how could that be? Well, it's just
it's it's moongus, it's huge. You know, growing up in New Jersey,
you don't know what huge is until you you see pictures or maps or
or or you know, accounts from from areas like that. And truly,
you can go in there and get lost for days and no one will find
you, right, or you can go in there and not be found unless
you want to be found. Right. So then when a story comes around
about an animal that hides, that maybe has a special skillet hiding, you
kind of like, well, yeah, they might be able to do that
in those kind of areas. If they don't want to be found, they
don't have to be So I found that intriguing. Depending on what region these
sightings come from, right, the characteristics can change slightly from black to brown
hair to reddish hair, but the height is always seven to eight to nine
foot tall. Right, that's pretty big. And finally, they always share
that one characteristic. If they get close enough to this thing, the smell
coming from it is pretty bad. You get these accounts from early Native Americans
would share with the early European settlers, especially in the Pacific Northwest. They
would tell them how routinely these hairy men of the forest would come down into
their camps at night to steal their food. Sometimes there are women and kids.
They would take them away, to the point where some tribes actually had
some real serious battles with them to finally rid them of this problem once and
for all. And I guess they beat them back hard enough where these creatures
did not see any benefit in messing with humans again. So then the question
that comes up is, so is everyone making this up? Is everyone really
trying to pull a hoax thinking they're going to make money off of it or
get fame is from it? Or the Native or the Native Americans thinking of
making little sasquatch dolls to sell to the European settlers. Why did they tell,
you know? Or maybe they were trying to scare them away. Perhaps
they were trying to scare them away. But I recently came across another show
on TV where they they cited some mission missionary from Europe who wrote in his
diaries, Yeah, these these these things routinely come out of the forest at
night and they raid these camps and stuff and we have to beat them back.
And this was in the Illinois Chicago area before it became Chicago. So
again, if you're going to believe it's a hoax, then you have to
tell yourself, what what why are people doing this? There's no money in
it, really, yeah, right, the only ones who make the money
are the ones who make the documentaries. I don't know if they pay for
the information. They might, but if it was found out that they're paying
for it, then it might cheapen their product, right, So they may
not want to do that, So what's the motivation for doing It's also pretty
recent that anything like that has become popular enough to be like made into like
TV and documentary kind of stuff. So yeah, the Bigfoot legend is interesting
too, because, like you said, it's you know how like there's a
lot of similarities in people's accounts and they're all over the place. That's a
thing that I find very interesting is that, like, you know, the
Jersey Devil is just in the pine barrens. The Mothman is just in Point
Pleasant, West Virginia. The Fresno Nightcrawlers are just in California, like Fresno
area. The Lochness Monster is contained to a lake. Still can't find it,
but like yeah, because I like, yeah, it's the idea of
you know, things like the rainforest has species that are being found, Like
like we find like ten or twenty new species of things every year, you
know, which is cool as hell. Granted a lot of them are very
small, so it's like a frog or something, but like, you know,
it is still like like the at at its core, it's like,
could there be an animal that's out there that we haven't seen? Yeah,
for sure, But I think yeah, depend it really depends on the situation,
because I feel like Bigfoot is the one where there is by far the
most accounts, like only second as far as paranormal things like that go only
second to ghosts. You know, yes, I'd have to agree. Yeah,
that's I think that's the lure, that's the hook right to this particular
crypto and its legend. So again, you know, are all these witnesses
lying to get their fifteen minutes of fame perhaps, but they also have to
know there's a risk right with with being ridiculed. It could it could go
the other way. So what I think is happening again with my scientists hat
On, I think what's happening is a lot of these sightings are simply people
who are not really outdoors people. They may go camping once twice a year
with the family, and they truly believe they see something. They're looking at
something that is not a bear. They know that's not a bear, but
do they really right, Yeah, they could be forty sixty eighty yards one
hundred yards from this thing, and it's it's situated at just the right angle
where it doesn't you can't see the bear snout and it looks like bigfoot,
right, And they're coming back and saying, I think I saw it right,
Yeah, bears, Like I feel like a lot of people forget that.
Bears also like can walk on their hind legs a little bit. Like
yes, they'll they'll get up and like scratch their back against like trees and
stuff like that. They're like markets whatever, and like so they can they
can do that. They can like walk a few steps and so like that
would get that would look crazy in the middle of the night if you you
saw something Harry from far away standing on two dusks, yeah, at dusk
or at dawn exactly, Yeah, they'll stand up on their two legs to
get a better sniff. Right, So I think the vast majority of sightings
can probably be attributed to that. However, having said that, in all
the shows I've seen, in all the years I've watched these things, there
are two accounts that really stick with me. Okay, they both had the
same theme, right, young guys in their twenties. One I think had
an uncle, one had a grandfather, and they basically said these men were
brought to the woods as soon as they could carry a rifle, which in
their families was nine, ten, eleven years old, by their fathers.
They were taught to hunt at an early age, and they basically grew up
in the woods. With respect to each account, my grandfather or my uncle
knows what a bear looks like. He knows what a bear does and look
like, and he knows what he saw, and he told me what he
saw, and it wasn't a bear, and it wasn't a large coyote.
It wasn't anything else that we that is known. And then when the interview
or said would he would he whether the grandfather or the uncle come on a
camera and tell us, and they said, no, they won't tell anyone.
They're taking it to the grave. The only one they've told is the
family, myself, my dad, or my you know, my my father
or or my cousin whatever, And that that really stuck with me. Yeah,
because again, people are so they can't wait to run out and tell
everyone what they've seen, maybe you know, get get those fifteen minutes of
fame, or or just just out of excitement right share with with people what
they've seen. And it just sounded like these two guys were the complete opposite.
I know what I've seen, maybe they've seen it before. I don't
bother it. It won't bother me. But I have my gun with me
at all times and we coexist. Yea. And no, I don't need
to tell anyone because I don't care if anyone believes you or not. So
those two accounts are the ones that I really wonder about. And I would
love to knock on those guys doors and sit down with them. Yeah,
obra beer and just ask him, what did you see? Yeah, as
far as cryptids go to, like, like I said, Bigfoot has the
most sightings, Bigfoot also has the most uh you know, air quotes evidence
as far as like video and picture stuff, it's kind of the like it's
in a similar vein with like I said, ghosts and say like UFOs are
the only other thing where we have that many like where there is actually a
lot of material that is like attempting to be you know, proven or debunked
or whatever. Who knows if it's real and stuff. Obviously, the most
famous is the oh god, what's the film? But the you know the
one that everybody oh, the one in California where it's walking away and it
turns and looks. Yeah, but I think that one didn't they say that
that was a guy in a suit though it was. That's the thing.
It's a famous video, but they did. Eventually, I think one of
the guys that helped put it together finally admitted that like, yeah, we
did, we did fake that, and then the other one denies it and
stuff. But they're not friends anymore. So it's like I'm gonna go with
I think the one that's saying it was faked, but yeah, yeah,
yeah, but it is. Yeah. Bigfoot is like, for shirt,
the most well known myth and it also, like I think it goes along
with like the way that the Lochness Monster is like one s monster myth in
it a huge collection of c monster myths, like the Jersey Devil is very
unique, the Mothman's pretty unique, you know. But Bigfoot like things,
I feel like, are very common in places like North America obviously, like
it's it's super popularized in the US. But like the YETI is like a
different thing but kind of similar, Like this large hairy being. It just
tends to be in like Arctic climates. You've got like the idea of giants.
There is another angle that I have to share with you about Bigfoot,
Okay, and I don't know all the details, but I remember, you
know, Mom, she always rolls her eyes when she sees me watching one
of these shows. But I think she read or she saw something that back
in maybe the seven years of the eighties, when certain parts of northern California
were used to illegally grow pot Sorry on this, Yeah, they actually would
hire these these really tall guys to put on suits and scare people away that
way to pretend they would bigfoot basically too, they would, yeah, they
or they wouldn't continue going on their hike because eventually they would run into their
farm, right, and it was illegal and they didn't want anyone seeing where
it was. So I thought that was hysterical and very believable right now.
So now the question is what came first the bigfoot sightings or these guys dressing
up and then being cited as bigfoot, right, Yeah, so it's very
interesting. It's interesting. Yeah. Again, the things that you can't ignore
are the vastness of these farces that we have in our country right and around
the world for that matter, again, completely shattering my sense as a kid
of having complete knowledge and control of our planet. It'd be hard to believe
that something this big, unless, of course, if it's intelligent enough and
it does not want to be discovered, which ties into the idea that a
long time ago there was basically a war between the human species and whatever this
thing is to finally leave us alone, and it might have been so brutal,
so bloody on their side that they got scared into perpetual hiding and they
run when they see a human the way some people might run when they see
a dog. It's just instinctual, just just bread into them, passed along
in the DNA that when you see a human you make track out of that
as fast as you can, because they're not it's bad news. Based on
the history of firstand accounts where people immediately try to shoot things that we have
gone through in this episode, I don't blame them exactly exactly. Oh yeah,
I think it's I think it's interesting going connecting it to the podcast.
So I don't have an on screen character that is Bigfoot. There is a
mention of Mari's brother. Mari has a younger brother that they mentioned is a
baby bigfoot, little bigfoot and training kind of thing. Eventually will be big
Foot. But that's like the most that I really have as far as Bigfoot
goes. But so I didn't have a lot to talk about in this section.
But it's funny you were talking about the whole idea of like maybe there
was some battle and so therefore, like Bigfoot is like humans bad, We're
not going to associate with them ever again. And that's kind of the premise
for what happened to cryptids like long time ago in the show because like that's
why human when they went into hiding and everything, because there was this like
hunting of the unnatural thing of these cryptids, and so they said, no,
no, we are going to remove ourselves. And slowly, over time,
some more brave people, I mean, like some people never went into
hiding and like some people, you know, slowly these towns have repopped up.
But like, there is there is that sect of cryptid and some of
the like you know, it's mentioned a lot by a lot of people in
the show, like there are many cryptids that don't trust humans at all because
of the things they've done to them in the past. And I think that's
a fun you know, unintentional on my part, but I think it is
the A lot of the show deals with the idea of like how things that
we perceive as strange or different are often treated badly and with violence. Yeah,
so misunderstanding or at least just pushed away, like pushed to the side
sort of thing. It's interesting that the big Footmith kind of gets into that
too, So yeah, I mean you could you could see it along along
that track. But again, ultimately, like with the other cryptids, unfortunately,
I don't think people will believe unless you have a very clear picture or
film yea, or a corpse unfortunately, which brought me to another another point
that I always thought, well, why don't we find these things, and
like, why don't we find dead ones in the wild? Yeah, you
know, they have to drop that soon or later and if they're alive.
But then someone didn't experiment where they just basically dropped a dead deer in the
woods and within a week it was gone. It was just obliterated by predators,
scavengers basically not predators but scavengers and other microbes. The bones I think
basically just kind of got covered up by something sort of thing covered up and
yeah, or just trampled on or just taken for their marrow, you know,
by other other scavengers. Again, so that might explain why we've never
come across a dead big foot, but I'm afraid, you know, it's
something that big requires big proof, so exactly until until that happens, and
you I would never want to see one captured, you know, God for
a bid would be the worst way for like the big yeah yeah, or
shot or killed. Yeah, you know, that's fun until that happens.
It's a fun story. Exactly like and it's gets campy. And so I
have a couple other little questions for you, a few of which we've kind
of already naturally covered. But uh, you know, obviously we've discussed that
your favorite cryptids Bigfoot. Is there any particular reason why it's your favorite?
I think only because of all the cryptids, I think it would need the
smallest leap into reality. That's fair. Yeah, it doesn't fly, It
doesn't like predict the future at bridge collapse. It doesn't. It doesn't swim
in a barren lea, yeah, right, with no food in its just
some dude walking around in the forest. Just just some ape, just some
some Yeah, some version of an orangutang maybe just maybe maybe a little more
advanced than an orangutang. Maybe looks a little a little like us. Maybe,
Yeah, like you said, just walking around and smart enough for whatever
reason to avoid us. Yeah. Well, there's that whole there's that whole
idea of there's so many like large predator animals of like I said, like
bears, you know, most of the time, if they don't want to
be seen, you're not going to see them. But like even more so,
like they say around here, Mountain lions are a thing that exists in
California and stuff. If you see a mountain lion, you're screwed. Like
they are always around and you will never know until it's a problem, you
know, like you do not see them, but they're there. Yeah,
but they're there, yeah, because they are just really good at hiding.
And they're not small big boys, beefy boys. Oh yeah, no,
yeah, I wouldn't want to mess with them. Yea. Even around here
in New Jersey at night, you hear some sounds coming from the wooded areas
that you just don't hear during the day. And I once I googled certain
sounds of the forest or whatever, and it sounds like some of them and
it turned out to be bobcats. Oh yeah, right, yeah, bobcats.
And I mean like they're not supposed to be in New Jersey. But
you know, like pythons weren't supposed to be in Florida either until recently,
exactly until people thought it'd be cool to have them as pets, until they
got to freaking big and they let him out. Right, So you can
see some morons bringing in, you know, illegal bobcats, and before you
know it, you know, they got to let him lose them, but
they they've got some of the most bone chilling screams you've ever heard. Oh
my god, it sounds like a haunted forest kind of thing. Yeah,
and it's just a freaking bobcat. But like you said, you'd never see
him during the day exactly, and yet they're probably looking at you as you're
going by, or trying to you know, open the tree or in the
bush and trying to avoid you. Oh yeah, for sure. This is
I guess this is kind of a well, actually, you know what this
is. This is a lower question for the podcast, I guess because I
don't think we've ever established what the mayor is. He's a cryptid, for
sure. I don't know what kind of cryptid he is the character you play,
because I was going to ask you what cryptid would you be? If
you could be a cryptid and you have the opportunity to do so, you
play a character, Oh wow, what cryptid would you be? Or it
doesn't have to be an established one. It could it doesn't have to be
one of the ones we talked about. It could be a unique thing,
unique cryptid, or it could be or it could be one of the myths
that already exist. Yeah, I don't think I've got the imagination that come
up with a whole new cryptid. But if I could be a cryptid,
maybe the Fresno what do you call nightcrawler? You know, I just I'm
gonna have to google that. They're so funny. They're so funny. Oh,
they literally just look at look like a freaking pair of white pants running
around. Well, you kind of surprise me with that question. I'd have
to give it some thought because I'm sure there's a lot of cryptids I don't
know about. So except the major ones that we talked about, was there
anything else that you wanted to chit chat about as far as cryptics go.
Yeah, like it just like I've said, it's just fun. It's it's
entertainment. Yeah, I think it's a great time. It's always fun to
think, you know what if yeah, you know, not that I don't
want to run into one, you know, in person? Yeah, right,
oh, thanks, As I don't want to be the I don't want
to be the guy to say, yeah, I found the real thing right.
As a as a writer, it's fun too too. It's almost like
writing like fan fiction almost because you have these kind of established like ips.
In a way, there are these myths that are already established, and instead
of going in and saying like okay, I which a lot of my other
writing is like okay, I'm gonna write a basically a whole new universe because
this is a fantasy thing, and like obviously there's everything's derivative, so like
there's a lot of like staples of magic systems and fantasy and blah blah blah
whatever. But like, I think it's a very fun and different process to
be able to be like, yes, if you like, like for someone
to come to the show and be able to listen to it and be like,
oh my god, wait I know where that I know the myth where
that character kind of comes from. That's really cool And like I've just I've
always liked that angle a bit as as a writer. It's like a connection
that you share. Yeah. Yeah, Well, thank you so much Papa
for being on the show and uh for chatting about cryptos with me. Maybe
if if people are interested, we could do this again when the whole show's
over talking about some more stuff. Well, the pleasure has been mine,
believe me. This was so much fun talking about one of my favorite subjects
and talking with one of my favorite people. Oh. Thanks, so keep
up the good work. Thank you. Yeah, if you find people found
this interesting, I'd love to come back and talk some more. Yeah,
they'll also be hearing you again. I have not told you this, but
the Mayor does have lines an episode six or seven, and so we'll have
to plan a time to record those anytime. Yeah, you will get to
hear my dad again surprising his role as the Mayor. Maybe we'll make him
a Frisdo nightcrawler who knows it can be fun. I need a new wardrobe.
But that's well. Thank you all for listening to this bonus episode.
So if you're looking for new episodes, we will be returning with our regular
season with the final half of the final season of Cryptic Kape, the last
five episodes, which is crazy, but those will be coming back on October
thirteenth, and then we'll be back to you know, our regular every other
week schedule. Don't miss him. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast feed
and catch up if if you haven't yet, or go back and binche listened
to the old episodes if you want to, because the next five are it's
going to be a doozy Okay, I wait, it should be fun.
Thanks again, Vicki. It was a lot of fun, real pleasure to
do this with you, So goodbye to you and goodbye to all the listeners.
We'll see you folks next time. Bye bye,