WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:08.279 Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Travis Walton and you are listening to 2 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:25.399 UFO Headquarters, Futiful Headquarters, and welcome everybody near and far, whether you're 3 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:29.199 here in the United States or one of our listeners and the far away countries 4 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.679 in Europe all over the world. Thank you for joining us. I am 5 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:38.159 Michael Wharton with Linda Zimmerman. This is UFO Headquarters, and we have a 6 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:43.359 great program tonight. We're gonna be um no pun intended diving into the Wanagu 7 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:49.759 Reservoir exactly. I really didn't mean to set that up that way, but 8 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.799 but first I wanted to ask um. I was unable to make it this 9 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.320 past weekend, but the Pine Bush UFO Fair I know Linda and Brian were 10 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:06.280 both there. I was it amazing. It was the biggest turnout I've been 11 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:11.200 going since twenty twelve, and it was the biggest turnout I've seen, and 12 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.000 so many people it was it was so gratifying. Came up and the first 13 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.000 thing they said was I'm binging your show. I love your podcast, and 14 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:25.079 so I want to thank everybody, and in particular I said I would give 15 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:30.000 a shout out to Mackenzie. Hello, Mackenzie, thank you for stopping by 16 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:34.040 to say how much you enjoy the podcast. Obviously we couldn't do what we 17 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:42.239 do without listeners, so appreciate the feedback. And Brian, you were running 18 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:46.439 the sound system. Yeah, yeah, Linda. Linda had her own booth 19 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.879 with her books and stuff, and then some of the other people from Hudson 20 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.719 River Radio we were running. They have a new pavilion there where a couple 21 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:59.640 of bands performed and speakers, including Linda. We're presenting, so we provided 22 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.599 the sound for them. So gayl from Paranormally Yours was there, Barbara from 23 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:07.080 Shaving Cream was there, Christine from grew Harmony Alley was there, and then 24 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:12.000 John and Jessica from from Rock and Roll History Show with me. We're all 25 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.560 there, so we got to do some meet and greets and give away some 26 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.560 goodies and meet a lot of great people and it was a lot of fun. 27 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:23.840 Yeah, it was. And there are plans for next year already correct. 28 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:28.719 Uh, yeah, yeah, they're in the works, you know, 29 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:32.319 nothing set in stone yet. And the people who organized it, especially Joan 30 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:37.319 and Lance, did a phenomenal job, and I figured we give him a 31 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.680 couple of weeks to recoup before we jump back in with next year's plans. 32 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:46.479 Yeah, so yeah, it was fabulous, Mike, we need you there 33 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:49.879 next year. I was gonna ask, did they schedule next year yet, 34 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.639 like when they're going to do it? Not that I know of, Okay, 35 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:55.680 because I'll minute it comes out, I'll put it in the schedule of 36 00:02:55.759 --> 00:03:00.879 me. I can absolutely. I had a great time a few years ago 37 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:05.039 when I was there. Y yeah, so yeah, it's probably going to 38 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:09.840 be early June again. But yeah, so if you weren't there, plan 39 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:15.639 on it for next year because speakers, there was a speaker conference. There 40 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:22.039 were just fun in games. There was books to be had and inflatable aliens. 41 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.080 So as I always say, it's as serious as you want it to 42 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.120 be, and it's as if you don't want to be serious at all and 43 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:35.479 just have fun. And I'll have to tell you there was a Keepsie Cafe 44 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:44.960 there with Bob said the absolute best Shishka bab on the planet, So give 45 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.879 a shout out to them. So even if you were just there for street 46 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:57.080 food and a nice walk, it's definitely worth going to. So we have 47 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:03.240 a topic we've been mentioning on off for I don't know a couple of episodes 48 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:12.800 the Wantaque Mass Sightings Wanaque Reservoir in New Jersey. And this is really a 49 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:19.160 no pulling punches. This is a mind blowing series of sightings. And it's 50 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:23.920 it's so close to us, right, it's so close to the Hudson Valley 51 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:29.920 right northern New Jersey. I was going to mention that that it's relatively within 52 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.959 that Hudson Valley region, you know, even though it's outside of it, 53 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:40.399 it's it's not that far. Yeah, as the UFO flies just minutes away. 54 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:46.439 So we're going back to the nineteen sixties. So Mike, you're going 55 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:50.879 to start us off correct. Yes, this is July first, nineteen sixty 56 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:56.519 five, and I'm going to read this account. I was about six or 57 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:00.399 so years old. Several of my brothers and sisters were with me when mother 58 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.639 brought us food shopping. She had been driving one of those old station wagons 59 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:09.560 that had the back seat facing out the back window. It was summertime, 60 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:13.480 I remember, because the back window was wide open. We were on our 61 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:15.720 way home, and I don't remember which of us were sitting back there, 62 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.879 but as Mom made a right turn, we were facing the Wanaque Reservoir. 63 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:26.000 All of a sudden, as Mom made that turn, we were staring straight 64 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:30.959 at a silver disk hovering not more than thirty feet above the water, only 65 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:35.519 about a fifty feet away from us. I remember all of the kids screaming 66 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:39.839 at Mom to stop the car. I just remember all of us screaming, 67 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.240 But it wasn't really fear more excitement, I believe. Well. Mom had 68 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.759 to drive up the road a short way so that she could turn the car 69 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:48.600 around, but by the time we got back there, it was gone. 70 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:53.920 Mom did see it in the rearview mirror when she heard all the commotion we 71 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:59.279 were making. The disc was about fifty feet long, shining silver and silent 72 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:03.120 as it hovered. I nor any of my family reported it. I'm not 73 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:08.920 really sure why. For some strange reason, maybe because we're all so young. 74 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:15.160 I'm the second youngest of six. None of us discussed the sighting for 75 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.800 years. I've talked to a couple of my siblings about it when we got 76 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:21.839 older. We all remember it the same way. I went to the Ringwood 77 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:26.759 Library to see if they had any information or old news clippings about that event. 78 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.160 As it turns out, many people saw the same thing. UFOs seemed 79 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:35.600 to make an appearance that entire weekend. People from all over would park their 80 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:42.240 cars around the reservoir day and night, and many reported night sightings. My 81 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.399 mother, who has since passed, remembered men in dark suits, but she 82 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:48.759 wasn't sure what they were doing there or how they knew what was going on 83 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:54.519 that weekend. She was never approached by these men I read a few years 84 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:58.000 ago. A few years ago, I read a book Above Top Secret by 85 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:01.240 mister Good, and sure enough he had reports in his book about the Wantaque 86 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:06.959 Reservoir sightings. Since then, I have spoken to a few old ringwoodites about 87 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:11.639 whether they had ever had sightings, and to my surprise, many had, 88 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:18.519 but none had seen a daylight sighting, only the night sightings. Wow, 89 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:27.279 there's a lot to unpack in that one account. First of all, we 90 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:31.560 always had a family station wagon. I just love that account. I was 91 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.639 the littlest so I always sat in the back, so I know exactly what 92 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:41.000 they're talking about. The tailgate window down my knowledge, no kid ever fell 93 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.720 out of the back of the station wagon. But you know you can't have 94 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:53.199 those now. But yeah, to be fifty feet away from that's very close. 95 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:57.279 That's a great distance to be at for a witness. Yeah, very 96 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:00.399 hard. It's hard to mistake what you're seeing at that close range. Yeah. 97 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:05.199 And you can just picture a carload of you know, six kids and 98 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:11.240 the poor mother all screaming, uh, seeing this. And how many times 99 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.399 have we talked about that you have this? You know, this group of 100 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:20.800 people of family have this incredible sighting and they don't talk about it. Yes, 101 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:26.279 that is extremely common and it's the opposite of what everyone would expect to 102 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.519 happen. But it's very common threat or common theme that we see with these 103 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:35.120 sightings. Yeah. And then the little hint of the men in dark suits, 104 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.360 which we will be getting it. Let me tell you everyone, this 105 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:46.120 case has has it all, all the all the aspects that people are drawn 106 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:50.960 to uphology for. So we have a lot more to get in. This 107 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.639 was the This was the hors d'oeuvre to the to the series of sightings. 108 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:00.399 So why let me just let me add one thing real Quicklynda Here he talks 109 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:05.240 about when he finds out that so many other people had been having sightings that 110 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.559 weekend, and talks about how they were parking around the reservoir day and night. 111 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.159 It just that brings me right to the Hudson Value. Yeah, it's 112 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:20.000 like people just going out looking to see what they can find. Yeah, 113 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.840 it's Pine Bush thirty years before Pine Bush, you know, twenty five years 114 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:30.919 before everyone was parking in Pine And there's a lot more similarities to come and 115 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:37.480 you people should take a look at if you're not familiar with this area, 116 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.200 you know, go to Google Maps and look at the Wanaque Reservoir area and 117 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.960 realize how close it is to everything we've been talking about Hudson Valley. Wise, 118 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.960 so let us take our first break and come back for the main course. 119 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:05.000 Hudson River Radio dot com. Hudson River Radio dot com, a subsidiary 120 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:13.600 of Glacier Entertainment All LC, blasting the competition in New York's Hudson Valley. 121 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:18.440 Well, Linda, the appetizer we had was quite quite good, but I 122 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:24.360 think I'm I'm gonna have to have the main course in foot. Well we 123 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:31.320 have it all right. It's just remarkable. We're going back to Tuesday, 124 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:37.320 January eleventh, nineteen sixty six. So the other one was July of sixty 125 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:43.279 five, and the big night, one of the big nights was just what 126 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:48.720 is that? Six seven months later, it's six thirty pm, it's cold, 127 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:54.000 and of course in January, by six thirty it's dark. Police Officer 128 00:10:54.200 --> 00:11:01.960 Joseph Cisco gets a call from the Pompton Lakes dispatcher that there's a glowing light, 129 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:09.639 possibly a fire. So you know, you're probably concerned that something's burning, 130 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.799 maybe a plane crash, whatever. But then the dispatcher goes on to 131 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:22.639 say that people in Oakland, Ringwood, Patterson, Totowa, and Butler claim 132 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:28.360 there's a flying saucer. Okay, and again, if you go to Google 133 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.600 Maps, you can see you see all of these towns. So this was 134 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:39.919 not somebody saw it on main street or standing next to the reservoir. This 135 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:48.039 craft or whatever it was, was seen all around the area. So Cisco 136 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:54.360 pulls over into an open space by the reservoir and he sees a pulsating light 137 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.000 and kind of like the size of a softball at arm's length. So it's 138 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:05.000 not a tiny little pinprick star. This is a large object. It turns 139 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:11.879 white, then red words somehow spreads, you know, and nobody had the 140 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:16.200 internet. Nobody was texting one another. People were actually hearing about it, 141 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:20.519 calling other people. You know, you had to pick up the phone and 142 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:26.960 dial it. Actually have human interaction, right, right, But people start 143 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:35.039 coming to the reservoir. Some of the people that joined Cisco were the mayor 144 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:41.559 Harry Wolf, Wolf's fourteen year old son, Billy, local councilman Warren Hagstrom, 145 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:48.320 and Arthur Barton. So one of the things with this sighting is the 146 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:54.840 quality of the or the caliber of the witnesses. Not that I'm saying you 147 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.440 know that because you're a mayor or a councilman you're a better person, but 148 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:03.159 you have some credentials and you really don't if you want to ever get elected 149 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.440 again, you probably don't want to talk about this stuff unless it's really made 150 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:13.039 an impression on you. Yeah, your motivation to lie is very low when 151 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.519 you have like a public title like that, right, you're more likely to 152 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.200 hide the truth than just but bleatly make up. Especially at the time period 153 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.720 the nineteen sixties. It's not like today where it would be more acceptable. 154 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:28.120 So that would definitely to me enhances their credibility, not because again they are 155 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:33.600 councilman or mayors, but because they have a lot to lose in those capacities 156 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:39.200 exactly. So, all right, so we already have police and mayor and 157 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.559 councilman. So they're all standing near the Raymond Dam, which if you look 158 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:50.200 on a map, the Wantaque Reservoir is quite extensive, and I've been there 159 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:56.039 a couple of times. There's a dam kind of I think it's near the 160 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.600 middle. So they're looking at they're all looking at this object going from white 161 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:09.159 to red to green. They are very soon joined by Chief of Police, 162 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:16.759 Floyd Elson. So we're not just having you know, a no name police 163 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:22.879 officers. We have the chief of police himself, another police officer, ed 164 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:28.320 Nestor, And here we go the mother superior of the local convent. And 165 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:37.799 I defy any of you Catholics out there to contradict the mother superior. Yeah, 166 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.759 my parents attended Catholic school. I've heard the stories. I'm pretty sure 167 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:46.200 no one was going to be contradicting. Yeah, you would have gotten a 168 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.879 ruler on your knuckles in a heartbeat. So the mother Superior again, so 169 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:56.279 we've got mayor's chief of police, the mother superior. The mayor described the 170 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:03.480 object as terribly strange. From his perspective, kind of looked like an oval 171 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:09.279 from two to nine feet. So hals start pouring into all the police departments, 172 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:15.120 all over the area, and they said, quote, the radios were 173 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:22.360 jammed up, so this was not an isolated event. And I you know, 174 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.159 when your radios are jammed up in the sixties, it's not like, 175 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:33.440 well, let's switch to cell phones so we can communicate. So then another 176 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:39.840 police officer, George Dykman, said he had never seen anything like it in 177 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:46.960 his life. Civil Defense Director Bentley Spencer and another member of the Civil Defense 178 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.759 remember back then Cold War there were Civil Defense people with their little white helmets 179 00:15:52.799 --> 00:16:00.200 and their bomb shelters because we were all worried of nuclear war. So we 180 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:04.720 have the Civil Defense director, another member. They all watched it. People 181 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:12.559 were gathering at the damn and again words spread and photos were taken. You 182 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.360 know, people say, well, why didn't somebody take a photo? Well, 183 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:22.879 Dell publishing in there. I'm trying to find this publication. The nineteen 184 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:32.159 sixty seven UFO reports by Dell published five photos. They didn't say who took 185 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:36.519 them. You know, you can't exactly corroborate, but witnesses who saw the 186 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:41.840 photos and saw the event said that's what we've seen. I did find there 187 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.320 is one photo available online. You can look it up. I do have 188 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:52.639 it in my book. But what was unusual about this craft? Soon came 189 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:59.320 over the police radio. Somebody started shouting, essentially over the radio, something's 190 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.079 burning a hole in the ice. Something with a bright light on it, 191 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:12.160 going up and down, burning a hole in the ice. Comments, Well, 192 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:17.839 it goes back to the theme of water and how often are these objects 193 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:22.839 associated with bodies of water or even swimming pools. So I've never heard one 194 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:29.319 actually burning through the ice or cutting through the ice with some type of I 195 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:33.000 can only speculate what it is. A beam, some sort of beam, 196 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.920 so it had to be hot, and they had apparently the ice at the 197 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.799 time was about two inches thick, so you know, if you've ever tried 198 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:48.000 to clear ice from your driveway, you know it takes a lot so to 199 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:53.240 burn. It burned more than one hole. But there was also reports that 200 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:57.759 the craft had landed in front of the dam. So everybody starts piling up 201 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:02.319 on the top of the dam. The first ones up there is the civil 202 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:10.079 defense director and reservoir employee, Fred Steins. They're the first to the climb 203 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:12.799 to the top of the dam, and they saw the craft and it said 204 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:18.920 it had like a bolt of light shoot down as if attracted to the water 205 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:26.200 like a beam emitted from a port hole, so very specific they're not seeing 206 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:30.440 kind of looked like a little bit of a light coming out of you know, 207 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:34.720 a beam out of a port hole. And there were more beams of 208 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:41.720 light that were coming down. So everyone goes to the top of the dam. 209 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:48.240 Now they're hearing this, and they watched this burning, you know, 210 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:53.640 just this light burning holes through the ice and that Councilman Hagstrom said, we 211 00:18:53.839 --> 00:19:00.200 got goose bumps all over when we saw the hole that was there. You 212 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:07.000 know, you're reading these are these are visceral reactions. These people experienced something. 213 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.079 Yeah, when I read that, that that quote, you know again 214 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.400 the credibility, that's not something people make up, you know, that's very 215 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:22.359 that happened. Yeah, yep, physical trace evidence holes in the ice where 216 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:30.680 where there previously wasn't. So other Another witness was police officer Cisco's wife, 217 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:36.960 who I guess they lived nearby. She saw a silver cigar shaped type object. 218 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.880 Um, so we're getting kind of different shapes. But again you see 219 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:47.599 a disc or an ellipse on edge may look like a cigar shape. So 220 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:53.039 there could have been multiple craft, could have been one. Um the reservoir 221 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:59.079 itself had its own police department. That's how big. I mean, that's 222 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:03.200 kind of unusual, right, Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. So that's 223 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:11.920 how big this place was. The reservoir police Lieutenant George Destito said, people 224 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:17.400 were coming out of the woodwork, filling the streets. Tons of people were 225 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:22.440 coming through the gates of the reservoir and they had to close the main gate. 226 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:29.279 So this is a mass size and in nineteen sixty five that area not 227 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:34.680 really heavily populated, not that populated today, just typical suburbs for those who 228 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:41.079 don't, you know, not familiar. We're not talking about Manhattan here, 229 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:52.240 we're talking about New Jersey suburbs. So this if you saw a UFO burning 230 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.960 a hole in the ice for twenty thirty seconds, it would be life altering. 231 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:04.920 They watched this craft for thirty minutes. That's mine bongling. I mean, 232 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:12.880 it's just amazing that. Yeah. So when it finally took basically it 233 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:17.319 was hovering and moving little bits as it was burning. I mean, what 234 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.960 is it looking for something? Did it just need access to the water? 235 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:26.960 Um? Was it pissed off? I don't know so, But when it 236 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:32.839 took off, it took off fast, and it was seen by many, 237 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:40.519 many more people in its path. It paused briefly in a sand pit in 238 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:45.559 Haskell, New Jersey. I I've come across these sand pits and murder cases, 239 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.519 and you, I guess sand pits were a big thing. I don't 240 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:53.920 what do you use a sand pit for bodies fighting bodies? I don't know, 241 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:59.799 because, yeah, you're right, likes to happen, yeah, putting 242 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:06.640 on. Yeah, nothing good ever happened, I must yeah, yeah, 243 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:11.799 yeah, something like that. Okay, And you're wondering, Okay, why 244 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.160 the hell would it pause in a sand pit in hash Skel, New Jersey. 245 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.960 Because now we're a couple of weeks after This is January eleventh, a 246 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:23.559 little couple weeks after Christmas. People are getting rid of their Christmas trees. 247 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:30.680 And what the volunteer fireman had done was gathered them in this fire pit and 248 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:37.160 set them on fire. So this object was very interested in what must have 249 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.720 been like a beacon, what's going on down here? So the craft paused 250 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:47.400 to take a look at these burning Christmas trees, and then it continued on 251 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:53.839 to the southeast toward Wayne, New Jersey. Um, but wait, there's 252 00:22:53.880 --> 00:23:03.839 more that in itself correct. Is is just an amazing night? Absolutely? 253 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.759 Can I just add something here to anybody who's any listeners who maybe has family, 254 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:12.079 maybe you experienced this, but maybe you have family. It was your 255 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:17.200 grandparents, your parents as when they're growing up. All I can think of 256 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:22.880 is eight millimeter movie cameras were so popular for people to have in their homes, 257 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.880 especially around holidays. They would have I mean I got tons of when 258 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.440 I was a kid. Pother was a kid. It was always like holidays, 259 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.119 Christmas, you know, parties. So please, if you have these 260 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:38.680 movies, look through them, because there's a good chance exciting point, yeah, 261 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:44.240 that if for thirty minutes this object is visible, there's a good chance 262 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:49.039 somebody somebody got somebody's got it on film somewhere. Yeah or O, they're 263 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:55.519 still photos even anything. So look, if you even if you live down 264 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:59.559 in that area and you're out yard sailing or flea marketing and you see someone 265 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.880 selling eight millimeter stuff, please buy it. You know, you never know 266 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:07.279 what you're gonna find, because there's someone probably did get out there with the 267 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:11.720 camera. Maybe they didn't get out there in time. Maybe they got the 268 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:17.599 footage wasn't great, Those weren't necessarily Hollywood quality cameras, but imagine someone having 269 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:21.640 even ten second clip, yeah, to see the movement, to see the 270 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:26.000 beam shooting down. Yeah. I mean, look at how the Pruder film. 271 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:30.839 How vital that eight millimeter film was to the Kennedy assassination, to someone 272 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:36.319 there with the camera recording it. So please, someone may have the life 273 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.160 altering eight millimeter film when it comes to UFOs, the Pruder film of the 274 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:44.359 Wanaque Reservoir. That's right, you could you could be sitting on a gold 275 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:48.400 mine possibly. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a great point. So we 276 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:56.039 hear by deputize all of the listeners to be junior investigators and get out there 277 00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:02.279 and see what you can find. So we still have a lot of cases 278 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:04.319 that want a queue to talk about, So why don't we take our second 279 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:08.799 break, BECO, before we completely forget. We will be right back. 280 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:21.000 This is Hudson River Radio dot com, your local Rockland County station. This 281 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:32.640 is Hudson River Radio dot Com, and we're back with this intriguing story from 282 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:37.279 the wanta Que Reservoir in New Jersey. Linda, I just wanted to mention 283 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.720 at the words you know, we talked, you talked about the fire sort 284 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:44.680 of being of interest to this craft. The firemen are out there burning, 285 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:51.440 you know, I've read where fire is a very unique phenomenon to Earth because 286 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:56.880 you have to have oxygen for the rapid chemical reactions that produce fire. So 287 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:02.839 if there's no oxygen present another planet, there'd be no fire that we that 288 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:07.880 we know of. So is this something from a planet where oxygen isn't There 289 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:12.160 isn't what they necessarily have or breathe and they see fire as what is this? 290 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:17.119 What magic? I never thought of that. I mean that just kind 291 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:22.079 of yapped in my head that because scientists have always thought that one of the 292 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.799 indications a planet may have life is if they find fire on a planet, 293 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:32.240 it'll suggest there's oxygen. That'll suggest that there's enough oxygen for life. But 294 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:37.400 what if the assumption that life has to have oxygen is just an assumption that's 295 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.480 not correct. Yeah, just a thought, you know, the good that's 296 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:47.519 what we're here. My mind, My mind going off, I'll keep it 297 00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:52.599 going off. That's that's very intriguing idea. So before we get on to 298 00:26:52.799 --> 00:27:00.000 the next mass sighting at the Wantaque Reservoir, I did come upon that same 299 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:06.519 date January eleventh, nineteen sixty six, at seven forty five pm, about 300 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:15.759 two hundred miles away in Myerstown, Pennsylvania. So probably if this first mass 301 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:21.720 sighting in Wanaque was basically six thirty to seven and then it took off, 302 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.759 could have this been the same craft. I don't know, but a NYECAP 303 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:33.240 report by John Pagano said that there was again a lot of witnesses, one 304 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:40.359 of them including a nurse, who described a luminous disc like one saucer inverted 305 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:47.079 on top of another. It was very very close to the witnesses, hovered 306 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:53.119 for five minutes, shot off intensely bright. So there were things going on 307 00:27:53.279 --> 00:28:00.000 in the northeast that night. Would be interesting to try to find other accounts 308 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:07.599 from January eleventh, then yeah, that would be yeah, so you'd think, 309 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.880 wow, that's a once in a lifetime thing. Except about twenty four 310 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:18.720 hours later, on January twelfth, nineteen sixty six, again about six thirty, 311 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:29.920 police officer Jack ward Law saw a disc shaped object that looked disc shaped 312 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.640 at certain angles and then at others egg shaped, which is what we were 313 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:40.119 kind of talking about. Before you're looking up and seeing a craft and if 314 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:44.960 it's moving tilting, it may appear. You know, I'm not saying this 315 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:52.200 one was changing its appearance, but depending on the perspective may have changed of 316 00:28:52.759 --> 00:29:00.160 the viewer. Okay. And then there was police sergeant David Cisco, not 317 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.920 related to the original witness Cisco. It spelled differently. I mean, what 318 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:10.200 are the chances of two Cisco's at the Wannaque reservoir. He said that the 319 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:18.640 object he saw was silent and quote lighted, then streaked faster than a jet 320 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:23.799 straight up. Okay, not a lot of aircraft can do that today. 321 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:33.759 Then there was a former police officer, Charles Theodora. He saw a cylinder 322 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.599 shaped object over the reservoir, and he said it was moving in a rocking 323 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:45.720 motion. Now that reminds me. I don't know if anybody's going to remember 324 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.279 this, or if I even mentioned it when we were talking about the mysterious 325 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:55.319 airships, or in nineteen o nine here in people in Newburgh, we're looking 326 00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:00.640 across the river seeing an object that seemed to be rocking back and forth as 327 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:06.519 it rose up. Um, just that just came to mind. So Theodora 328 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:11.400 was quoted in the newspapers saying, I didn't even believe in UFOs. I 329 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.519 thought they were a lot of bull, and then I saw it. It 330 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:25.039 was a breathtaking site, something I'll never forget. So again, one night 331 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.839 of this would have been phenomenal. And then it happened the next night. 332 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.960 Yeah, and again, so many witnesses with something to lose, right, 333 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.039 so their their reliability. It's just amazing. And you know, I love 334 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.000 the thing. I didn't believe in UFOs. I thought it was a lot 335 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:47.279 of bull. That's a I could I could see that as a cop attitude 336 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.519 today, a former cop in the sixties. And then to saying, you 337 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:55.119 know that I saw it right, you know, I have to see it 338 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:59.559 to believe it, and then there it is. That's that's a moment. 339 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.359 Right. So this was January, and of course a lot of people kept 340 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:11.200 looking and maybe there was the occasional sighting. But we go ahead to October 341 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:18.400 tenth, nineteen sixty six, so I should look, what's the difference. 342 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:26.839 January October's about nine ten months the other the other one July to January, 343 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.680 so not not exactly the same time frame. But I'm on my mind is 344 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:41.720 wandering, so so unfortunately writing about this event, which I'll get to the 345 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:48.839 details. The local newspaper The Star Ledger wrote that the Wanaque Ringwood area of 346 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:56.839 Passaic County is to Ufo buffs what Coney Island is too hot dogs. Well, 347 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:01.319 there's taking the high road guy. That's a great great journalism there, 348 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:09.400 great journalism. I couldn't believe it, but they did have some excellent information. 349 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:15.519 So again, if you're looking on googling this, if you look at 350 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:22.279 Westbrook and Stonetown Roads near Ringwood in Ringwood, Ringwood, New Jersey, near 351 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:30.359 the reservoir. Around this time, they said every night from sundown to six 352 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:37.759 am, cars lined the streets. People came from as far as fifty miles 353 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:43.920 away to watch for UFOs. Does that ring a bell like Pine Bush? 354 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.720 Maybe? Yeah, and just decades earlier. I mean it's amazing. The 355 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:53.359 similarities are just very You could have changed the dates and this could have been, 356 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:58.200 you know, the one of the reservoirs, you know, serving New 357 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.440 York City, or one of the other lakes, the Dudson River. I 358 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.720 mean, it's just erie close. They aren't. It was pine Bush decades 359 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.640 before pine Bush. Now there's a mountain overlooking the reservoir. I love the 360 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:16.599 name of this wind Beam Mountain. And people saw bright light or craft directly 361 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:22.079 over the peak of wind Beam Mountain, about just about seventy five feet above 362 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.200 it, which of course makes me want to put on my hiking boots and 363 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.960 go to the top. There are hiking trails to go to the top of 364 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.000 Windbeam Mountain. What a great place that would be to stake out looking, 365 00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:39.519 let me know. So then we have another, yet another police officer, 366 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:47.839 Robert Gordon, saw the object hovering over at TV transmission tower. It moved 367 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:52.960 away, it moved back, and it kept doing this for seven to eight 368 00:33:52.000 --> 00:34:00.480 minutes. So again rather that's a prolonged sighting. And then this really caught 369 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:06.119 my attention, he said, the craft it admitted a light, he said, 370 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:14.199 like a flashbulb going off. It occurred several times. That is classic 371 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:19.480 Pine Bush. In fact, I had that happened to me and Bob and 372 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:24.760 Sea Burns. We were part of that flashbulb effect. I don't know what 373 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:32.000 it is, but here again we had. It happened probably twenty fifteen, 374 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:40.400 so we're talking fifty years later, same type of effect. His wife was 375 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:47.039 with them and described the craft as a saucer shaped object about the size of 376 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:53.840 an automobile, glowing with a white brilliance. So the Gordons, the police 377 00:34:53.840 --> 00:35:00.199 officer and his wife, we're near dead Man's Curve. I don't know exactly 378 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.719 where that is, but i'd be careful if you go looking for it. 379 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:12.239 Yeah, probably a reason it's called that. And their neighbors saw this object 380 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:17.760 moving towards the Wanaque Reservoir, where on patrol at the time was Sergeant Ben 381 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.920 Thompson, yet another police officer. I've lost count I don't even know how 382 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:30.199 many, because so police departments from so many different towns we're out seeing this. 383 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:37.000 This craft went straight over him at an altitude of only about one hundred 384 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:44.639 and fifty feet that's extremely low. When it went over him, it stopped 385 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:51.320 backed up, and not too many aircraft can do that. Let's stop back 386 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:59.280 up, came back and then started zig zagging quote, making acute angular turns. 387 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.559 So he's out of his patrol car watching this for five minutes. And 388 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.880 this is a new one on me, he said. Quote. It was 389 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:16.519 the shape of a basketball with the center scooped out and a football thrust through 390 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:25.400 it. So that's an interesting description, very interesting. I'd like to basketball 391 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.480 with a football stuck in it. I guess this guy like sports. But 392 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:36.440 that's a very good way, very descriptive. Okay, And this gives me 393 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.440 goosebumps every time I read this. The craft made no noise, but he 394 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:49.519 said, but it raised the water beneath it as it moved over the reservoir, 395 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.159 and when it moved over the tree tops, it pulled them together. 396 00:36:54.199 --> 00:37:00.559 Can you imagine seeing the top of this huge reservoir lift up? Yeah? 397 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:08.480 That's what now? You can that can be either extremely low pressure pulling it 398 00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:14.719 up, or is it some sort of gravitational feel or is it something I've 399 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.639 never studied in physics? Right? Yeah, that's I couldn't even begin to 400 00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.920 imagine. I can't imagine what he thought. And how do you go back 401 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.119 and tell that to the guys at the station? Yeah, you don't. 402 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.599 You just go back at that point and be like, yeah, I'm just 403 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.079 gonna go. We'll have a cup of coffee and go home undone, because 404 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:37.239 no one's gonna believe you. No. Wouldn't you love to see this animated 405 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:44.239 circular craft with a football shape in it, pulling the water up as it 406 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:49.719 moves over. I love that description. I have never we've covered things where 407 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:54.440 they like a beam sucks a column of water out, but not pulling the 408 00:37:54.639 --> 00:38:00.079 entire surface of a body of water up beneath it, right, because normally 409 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:06.079 when we talk about UFOs and water, it's it's like intentional they're taking the 410 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:10.360 water, right, This seems like it's just incidental to whatever the craft is 411 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:14.320 doing. So, like you said, is it low pressure? Are they 412 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.480 creating some type of a gravitational force which is pulling it? I mean that's 413 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.559 got to be pretty significant to pull that much water up, as well as 414 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:27.079 to make trees bend. Yeah, yeah, making the trees come together as 415 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:32.000 they're being pulled towards whatever force. This was so like once again, people 416 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:39.360 are stopping their cars all along whop Westbrook Road getting out typical wave of the 417 00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:44.960 eighties, Typical Pine Bush, typical Route eighty four, Taconic Parkway in the 418 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.800 in the eighties, people stopping where you really shouldn't be stopping in your car. 419 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.119 But this is like, you know, a once in a lifetime thing. 420 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:59.119 So Sergeant Thompson, he's kind of freaking out in the way. He's 421 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:04.079 afraid there's going to be an accident because these are not safe. It's never 422 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.039 safe to pull it, you know, stop your car in the dark and 423 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:13.400 get out, but let alone on these roads there, and so he decides 424 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.679 to warn cars. You know, he's just doing this for the cars, 425 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:22.599 for safety's sake. He flips on the red flashing light on his patrol car. 426 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.800 Well, apparently this craft didn't like that, didn't take that as a 427 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.000 friendly sign. And as soon as he puts on his flashing light, the 428 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.840 craft takes off. They must have had must have had a suspended license and 429 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:45.679 bible. But obviously shows there's an intelligence there. Right, I'll cause and 430 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:51.440 here we go again, mind blowing point number. What are we up to? 431 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.679 Fifty eight? He said, it seemed as if it had gone right 432 00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:02.519 into the mountain that's the Ramapo Mountains there. He said, I was dumbfounded. 433 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:08.000 It was more than a little frightening. And again this has pine Bush 434 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:15.400 area all over at the mountains that are there, people claim to seecraft going 435 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.800 right into the side of a mountain. So again we should have called this 436 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:29.400 episode pine Bush before Pine Bush about pine Bush. So once again, all 437 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:36.599 over the area, police switchboards were jammed, so if you had a legitimate 438 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.719 call, an accident or robbery, you were not getting through. You were 439 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:49.519 not getting police help anytime soon. So police officer Thompson said that now here 440 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.840 we go, we're getting into we we have other levels to explore here. 441 00:40:54.519 --> 00:41:01.519 Within fifteen to twenty minutes after we sighted this thing, there were at least 442 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:10.320 six helicopters and I would say twenty thirty forty planes or military jets flying over 443 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:17.280 the same area where I had said on the radio it had disappeared. So 444 00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:23.800 this police officers talking to dispatch saying, I just saw this craft. It 445 00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:32.599 went that direction, and what a coincidence that the military bloods the area with 446 00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:40.159 aircraft. Someone was listening, right, I mean, if that's a coincidence, 447 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:45.199 that's a really, really good one. I just think like you said, 448 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.280 I mean, I'm sure that they can. I mean radio waves, 449 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.199 it's easy to monitor if you have the frequencies. Sure they have the capabilities 450 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.599 now. I'm sure they had it back then. Yeah. And so five 451 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:06.079 days later the Reservoir police chief again another chief of police, John Cassaza, 452 00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:12.360 with a friend Bob Dexter, at ten forty pm they were near the hills 453 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:19.159 by that dam again saw an ellipse, flatter on the bottom, more round 454 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.800 on the top. It appeared to be three times the size of the moon. 455 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:30.079 So that's you know, when you figure a full moon three times that 456 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:34.360 that's pretty big. And it was silent, and it was white. So 457 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:42.679 getting back to the military and possible other bad players in this case, witnesses 458 00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:50.960 were being intimidated by people in uniforms looking like they were Air Force uniforms or 459 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:55.119 other military witnesses. They were being told to keep their mouth shut. And 460 00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:01.000 I have a really interesting case at the end here, but this went all 461 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:10.199 the way up to Pentagon spokesman Colonel George Freeman. People journalists then we're doing 462 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:15.440 their job. They're saying, what do you guys intimidating witnesses? Why do 463 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.559 you need them to keep silent? And I'm not saying he's telling the truth, 464 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:23.559 but this is people were claiming they were military impostors, and his statement 465 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:32.800 kind of corroborated that he acknowledged men dressed in uniforms or bearing credentials from government 466 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:43.280 agencies have been silencing witnesses to the UFO at wanaque, these men are not 467 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:51.960 connected to the Air Force in any way. What. Yeah, that's that's 468 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:57.360 a chilling statement from a Pentagon colonel. If it's true. If it's true, 469 00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.559 you know, taken on its face, that really has a lot of 470 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:06.320 implication. He's at the very least admitting, yes, people with credentials and 471 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:14.320 uniforms are trying to silence witnesses. So he acknowledged this was absolutely going on, 472 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.880 whether he's lying about whether he knew who did it or not. So 473 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:23.960 if it wasn't the WIT the Air Force, then who right, So he 474 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:30.880 may not maybe they weren't air Force. Maybe they were Air Force personnel but 475 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.599 another government agency, So he's not lying technically, Well, they weren't air 476 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.320 Force personnel. Yeah, you know, maybe they could be another branch, 477 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:44.000 you know, but and why would you want to silence witnesses? Right? 478 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.159 For what purpose you're gonna Yeah, I would love to see one of these 479 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:52.519 guys go to mother Superior and say you're gonna keep your trap shut. Yeah. 480 00:44:52.559 --> 00:45:00.079 They never saw that guy again, he quit period, got through with 481 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:07.159 them. But so here are two Knights of Mass sightings January and October sixty 482 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:13.559 six. Probably I think it's safe to say thousands of witnesses in total, 483 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:21.840 which is remarkable, many many credible people. Two huge events, burning beams 484 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.480 of light, burning holes in the ice craft, going into the sides of 485 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:34.000 mountains, military impostors, the only thing we need is men in black. 486 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:43.880 But wait, I may have a story somebody. Yes, yes, this 487 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.519 is the dessert, the cherry on top of the Wanacue sightings. For my 488 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:53.840 very first book, I interviewed a UFO witness Leon and you can see all 489 00:45:53.880 --> 00:46:00.159 of his stories, but his you know, he had sightings years later, 490 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:08.400 but not coincidentally, as we keep finding families have generational sightings. His aunt 491 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:16.320 and uncle were living in Pompton Lakes, which is town right close to remember, 492 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:23.360 the original dispatcher was a Pompton Lakes dispatcher to Officer Cisco, So his 493 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:30.440 aunt and uncle lived in Pompton Lakes. They were witnesses to that craft. 494 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:37.840 And not only were they witnesses, she photographed it going over her house. 495 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:43.840 She showed the picture to her neighbors, and you know thought, well, 496 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.039 you know, she wasn't trying to publicize it. She wasn't giving it to 497 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:52.280 the newspapers. She took the picture showing family and friends. But then something 498 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:59.480 strange started happening. Right away, A black Lincoln Continental content let me say 499 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:07.400 that again without running over my own tongue. A black Lincoln Continental kept driving 500 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:13.679 back and forth in front of their house. Then the occupants of said car, 501 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:21.119 two men in black suits, black fedoras, and dark sunglasses, got 502 00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:28.679 out of the car and just stood in front of their house staring at the 503 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.960 house. Then they'd get back in their car, drive away, and they'd 504 00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:37.519 come back the next day and do this. This went on for a couple 505 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:44.199 of weeks. Obviously you're going to get rather nervous. What the hell is 506 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:49.159 going on? Leon said. Even his uncle, who was a big tough 507 00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:55.880 man, said he was getting the heebie geebs by a clear intimidation. Yeah, 508 00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.960 I can see that. So Chet didn't want this in her house anymore, 509 00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:07.400 so she gave the photo to a family member. And what you were 510 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:15.719 mentioning early on, maybe there are photos or film out there. It's just 511 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:24.239 possible. Hopefully nobody threw out this photo that maybe in his family somewhere someone 512 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:31.039 still has that photo. So definitely want to, you know, reiterate, 513 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:39.079 check your photos, ask your grandparents, anybody who lived in that area. 514 00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:50.199 So we can't have a stunning, amazing case without ridiculous skeptics, of course, 515 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:55.880 So here we go, try not to bust out laughing. McGuire Air 516 00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:02.400 Force Base suggested it was all all a weather balloon, those pesky weather balloons, 517 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:09.719 Yes, with deadly plasma weapons to burn holes in ice. Clearly, 518 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:16.159 the Pentagon said, I can't keep a straight face. It could have been 519 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:22.800 an alignment of Venus and Jupiter, because Venus and Jupiter often land in the 520 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:29.159 Wannaque Reservoir, so I could see where people would get. Yeah, it's 521 00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.760 easy to mistake a planet for a spaceship patterns all the time. Yeah. 522 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:37.760 Yeah. Stuart Air Force Base here in the Hudson Valley chimed in and said 523 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:43.559 it could have been a helicopter with a searchlight. It's a pretty powerful searchlight 524 00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:49.119 to burn a hole in the ice. And funny, everyone said, even 525 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.719 those who were fifty feet away, it was completely silent and shaped like an 526 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:58.119 egg or a saucer. So they had some unique helicopters apparently. Then, 527 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.119 yeah, silent helicopters, because anybody that's ever been near a helicopter knows how 528 00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:07.840 loud they are. Yes. And last, and certainly not least, professional 529 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:15.519 skeptic, Philip Class, the bane of our existence, said it was ball 530 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:23.920 lightning. So ball lightning that lasted thirty minutes and was seen over numerous townships 531 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:30.239 and came back again in multiple days, yes, which is which is interesting. 532 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:37.360 Yes, the greatest award winning ball lightning in history. So talk about 533 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:45.679 Bully it may come on. So you know what, Linda, I'm thinking 534 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:51.440 it's interesting the Men in Black issue with the intimidation and the time period being 535 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:55.800 nineteen sixty six. It was the same exact time period that point Pleasant West 536 00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:04.840 Virginia was experiencing the wave of on a identified creatures unidentified flying saucers that John 537 00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:09.760 Kiell eventually investigated. And that's one of the first instances too, where the 538 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:14.480 Men in Black show up and write about the fact. I think they often 539 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.880 credit him with coming up with that term. If that's true or not, 540 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.840 okay, but I'm just thinking it's Is it a coincidence? You know, 541 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:30.159 it's a very close time frame, yes, so Men in Black sightings, 542 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.760 a lot of people seeing it, people staking out trying to see it. 543 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.960 Um and then you have you know this with the Men in Black. So 544 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:42.559 I don't know, Yeah, but does this case have it all? It 545 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:46.400 really does? I mean it's it checked off every box. Yes, the 546 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:52.400 UFO Bingo cards, we got it. Oh, I think we have an 547 00:51:52.400 --> 00:52:00.519 idea for next year's there. Yeah. Absolutely credit Mike Warden's ufo bingo, 548 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:09.119 I have an abduction bingo. Yeah, yeah, this case fascinated me from 549 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:15.280 the time I was a little kid, and I'm really glad we did an 550 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.800 entire episode on it. I mean, I have lost all track of the 551 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.679 time. I don't know how long we've been going. No, but this 552 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.719 is it's fascinating. Yeah, you have to tell this story, and you 553 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:30.639 have to tell all the details. And it's unique, not just for the 554 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:35.559 how much is involved in it, how it includes so much, but it 555 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:40.079 stands out to me as a retired law enforcement officer, how many law enforcement 556 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:45.360 witnesses are involved from multiple police agencies. It's not like they're all from one 557 00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:47.360 agency where you can say, well, yeah, they're all kind of in 558 00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:51.639 on it. It's a joke. Yeah, No, they're all from different 559 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:58.400 agencies seeing these things, being willing to tell their story at a time when 560 00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.920 that was something to be ridicule, not something that got you on TV or 561 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.280 got you in the newspaper in a positive way. That's the one paper mentioned, 562 00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:10.320 you know, And just so people understand, you know, police officers 563 00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:15.960 are always observing there. We were always you're always looking when you're driving. 564 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.840 You're not just looking at the roads, You're looking at everything going on around 565 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.840 you because that's what you're paid to do, and you're you have to know 566 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:27.800 what's normal what's not normal in your patrol area. So that's what makes police 567 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:31.800 officers exceptionally good witnesses. Same with correction officers. They professional observers. You 568 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:37.199 sit and observe all day, become very keen at that. Yeah, when 569 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.760 your life depends on being aware of what's going on around you. So to 570 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:45.920 me, when you know, when you see people that have this background and 571 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.639 a lot to lose, the credibility to me is just so much more enhanced. 572 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.840 It doesn't mean that everybody else is lying, doesn't mean that the their 573 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.559 stories are questionable, but it means that when you see these people, it's 574 00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.440 like, Okay, you know what, maybe there is some thing to this. 575 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:05.239 I can discount all of these people. But how do I discount these 576 00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.599 What do they have to gain? Yeah? Yeah, So my last question 577 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:15.079 is, once these Canadian this Canadian wildfire smokes clears the air, when are 578 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.960 we doing a steakout at the Wannaque Reservoir. I think that's what we're going 579 00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.639 to have to do. I mean, yeah, yeah, it sounds like 580 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:27.039 it would be a good night once the smoke clears, Once the smoke clears. 581 00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:31.360 Yeah, yeah, so that is it. Um, love to hear 582 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:40.719 people who saw this or family members saw it and scour your photos and everything. 583 00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.480 In fact, while you're listening to this podcast, you should have been 584 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:50.199 starting to dig through the photos the reels. Please, and if you do 585 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.000 come across anything you're not sure if, reach out to us, reach out 586 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.519 to Linda will be more than happy to meet you and look at it. 587 00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:00.360 And you know we have I have a bunch of eight millimeter project there is 588 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.519 and I have a hand crank one. I'm sure you have got them too, 589 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:06.360 And yes, between the two of us, we can help you see 590 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:10.199 what's on there. Yeah, I guarantee it definitely and we will be very 591 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:16.800 eager to do that. Absolutely. So take us away. Well, thank 592 00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.559 you everybody for tuning in this evening, this afternoon, this morning, wherever 593 00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.840 it may be, where you are. Michael Warren and Linda Zimmerman with UFO 594 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:34.079 Headquarters. 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