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We continue on the verge the laps
fans hold, sorry the hell? Oh

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no, okay, go ahead,
we continue on the verge the lapsed fans.

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One of a kind tribute to Mike, Virgil Jones boss, and we

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reconvened with everybody that we could find
that could recollect the bachelor party we did

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twenty twelve or Virgil walk through those
doors. What a blast to catch up

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with those guys and see it through
their eyes. Oh totally. I mean

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that's that's kind of it, like
the to see it through you know,

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because I mean we've I've talked about
it with them, but to actually watch

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it and revisit it, I can
also have. Really, I'll tell you

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what the most surprising thing is is
because you know how oftentimes your memory will

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make things come across as more inaccurate. It's like, you know, you

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remember things a certain way. Yes, everything that happened is exactly how I

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remembered it. Wow, which is
wild. And I was so surprised about

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the little nuances I forgot, most
importantly that Virgil was the one who wanted

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to go out to eat afterwards,
and we were actually not intending to do

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that. I always tied it up
in my mind with the idea that he

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was haunting us for meat sauce the
whole night at the cigar bar. And

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so we just acquiesced afterwards. But
it was really a thing where we were

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ready to split and he wasn't.
Yeah, he was not. He's like,

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I mean food and yours for brilliantly. That's the most Virgil thing possible.

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Yes, And so as we ended
our recollection of that memorable night on

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a poetic note, now it's time
to grapple, if you will, with

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the n ring career of Virgil and
what it was he did on WWF television

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that would have caused us to want
to pay him to come to a bachelor

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party all those years later. Yeah, I'm sure by the time this one's

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over, people are going to get
it right. Yeah. So absolutely,

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it's about a lot of things.
But we have to figure out where the

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man came from. First. We
have we have to establish how Michael Jones

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became Virgil and who Michael Jones was. And do you think that would be

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an easy task for a carneie like
this guy. Oh no, no,

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it's not. It's a fucking it's
a fucking hassle. A Yeah, enlisted

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you on this one, which was
great because you were able to find quite

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a bit yourself. Yeah, in
terms of trying to track down anything genealogical,

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anything you know, in terms of
like the places he's been. And

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as a lot of people may have
seen upon and we've mentioned it, Virgil's

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passing just a couple of days ago. A few days ago, there was

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reporting out through his management team confirming
that the birth date everybody had had for

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Virgil all these years was was inaccurate, that in fact he wasn't born in

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sixty one or sixty two, but
in fact was born, according to his

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management team, in nineteen fifty one. And now we went through, as

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you heard on part one, the
emails that we exchanged with Virgil to get

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him to come to the bachelor party. And of course, when you book

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a flight ticket for somebody, you
need their date of birth, right,

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Oh my fucking Christ. And he
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birth. So say what you will, whether that's a cafe birthdate or not,

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it was enough for him to confidently
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them. That says a lot about
the security around taking the date of birth

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in the first place. I don't
even know why they bother. But I'm

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here to tell you as we look
back on the life and times of not

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only Virgil but Mike Jones, I'm
here to tell you, yes, that

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there's reason to believe that Virgil got
paper on two different birthdays. That it's

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not just that he lied to people
throughout the course of his life, but

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that he actually had reason to change
the year of his birth because well,

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if you knew his real birth date, you might be able to connect why

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all of a sudden, what seemed
to be a very, very promising football

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career disappeared into thin air, and
why Virgil an interview after interview over the

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course of his life, particularly in
the latter stages of his life when he

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was a hot interview. Yet for
wrestling geeks, sure, Sam Roberts,

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across the spectrum of wrestling websites,
he never told even a shoot interview he

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did with our video, which,
of course, those are always predicated on,

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like tell us where you grew up, tell us when you first saw

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pro wrestling, tell us what your
parents were like? Yeah, a blank

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slate. Nobody really knows what the
hell Virgil did growing up. He write

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what endeavors he sought to pursue before
taking on pro wrestling. It's clear from

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his ar video shoot interview that he
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wrestler for his whole life, that
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Feinstein asks him, like, who
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Artino because he's from Pittsburgh. But
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He barely cared about it. He
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boxing promoter early in his athletic career
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having some boxing matches, and it
was that promoter recorded in virgil Or video

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that put him in touch with the
Wild Siamoans saying hey, you know what,

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you could be a pro wrestler too, that that might work for you,

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mm hmm, and Virgil realizing he
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imagine that boxing background is what led
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When he turned babyface right, got
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and was, according to Virgil at
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Cicca, and went on in the
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Mm hmm, but we don't know
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how I mentioned rather in Part one
about how I had this sense that he

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came from a military family, and
a rather strict military family. But as

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I was going through his interviews and
stuff in preparation for this, I couldn't

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really find much string to pull there, and I was like, Wow,

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where do I get this idea that
he's from a military family. And then

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we go back and listen to the
audio of what he told us all at

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the bachelor party, and he mentioned, right, that was a Navy seal,

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right, which probably means he was
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didn't exist at the time. Let's
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everybody's dad was a Navy seal,
I'll don't you get right down to it

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too, and mine too. And
he was in the reserve. It was

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the reserves, right, so whatever, And I'm sure he was. He

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was a decorated gentleman. Now,
I don't know what kind of records you

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have at your fingertips, boss,
but you were able to discern who you

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basically think his father was, right, Yes, more or less, let

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me bring up the the family tree
I was creating. So we're working on

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understanding, and it comes from I
based it off of you know, you

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know, I used the the uh, the Watchman call it the uh.

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It's fine. No one cares Wikipedia
as as kind of a reference point,

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just to kind of see if there
was if there was there, and and

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so I was like, okay,
I used the names, and a lot

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of it was kind of it was
kind of, you know, a little

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a lot of guesswork, because there's
not real there's not a lot out there,

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and he has the most common name
on the planet Earth. I know,

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seriously, Michael, Michael Jones,
like, are you fucking kidding me?

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But I was able to find and
I used the idea that you know

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what you said about him being potentially
in the navy, and I found a

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Warren Wilbert Jones senior. And I
knew he was a senior too, again

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based on the Wikipedia, because there
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the military, and so I kind
of figured out that and who this this

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this Warren Wilbert Jones. Again,
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but

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it's the best guest that I have
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died September seventeenth, nineteen ninety two, which kind of fits the timeline

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too. Yeah, you know,
it works. It works to have someone

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who was born, you know,
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So according to Virgil, he had
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We didn't get a lot of detail
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this was before well Wikipedia existed,
you know, of course it existed,

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but I don't know, it probably
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like this this string that we pulled
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had attended Virginia Union, which had
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Yes, that revelation, as far
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his Wikipedia, only only came out
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with did for for slam wrestling.
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So I don't think that's been sitting
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this reference to Virginia Union. Okay, and I'm thinking myself, why the

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hell I'm googling this six ways from
Sunday. I'm trying to find interviews that

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he's done over the course of his
life where he talks about how he got

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into the business and what is his
upbringing, was like, yeah, why

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doesn't he ever mention what seemed to
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Like, I mean, from what
it looks like, I mean, I

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don't know. I don't want to. Obviously I have stuff that I sent

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you, but I don't know if
you want to divulge that yet. I

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don't want to break your rhythm.
No, You're not gonna break my rhythm.

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No, this is definitely queuing you
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you helped connect some pieces. So
I'm like, you know what, Virginia

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Union, what is this? Tell
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exploits? Well, that's the thing
he was. He was a pretty well

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rounded athlete. I mean, I
found his high school number one. I

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found out that he went to Wilkinsburg
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outside of same same county as Pittsburgh. And you know in his yearbook,

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Like I found a fucking year book. Oh yeah, and it's him.

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You can tell by his face yeah, you can tell. I mean he's

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got it's the same, yeah,
the same droopy eyes, he's got the

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same nose and you know, same
head shape and everything. And he played

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basketball and football at at at Wilkinsburg
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to this this this college and it's
I'll tell you something, there is something

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fishy about the college thing because he's
he's not really in the yearbook. He's

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in a little bit, but like
it's not I had to really hunt to

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find him in the yearbook based on
the years he would have been there when

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he was supposedly playing football. Because
he's in the thing is in the same

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yearbook that he's playing football. He's
not given a headshot like everybody else in

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the whole fucking school is given a
headshot. And it's very weird. I

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did eventually find him in one.
I'm trying to see which yearbook it is.

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Oh yeah, and again this is
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college. Now is now Virginia Union. Virginia Union is where to me it

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starts to get the little fishy in
that he in that he's featured in athletic

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team pictures, but he's not featured
as a student very interesting. Virginia Union,

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a historically black college Baptist university in
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of aligns and tracks with with with
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this is a pretty high level,

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pretty high level school. Yeah,
totally with with with quite a heritage behind

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it. Yeah. You know,
even if you look at the yearbook,

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you get the sense it's a very
buttoned up kind of place. Yeah,

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yeah, totally totally, not one
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midst even if you could play football
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looking through this and I'm seeing these
images of Yeah, that's Michael Jones,

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for sure, that's Virgil. You
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So okay, why is it such
a damn mystery? Then? Like,

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why doesn'tnybody know this about this guy? Here? It is, it's out

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there, it's why in the open. And then you're you're looking at some

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of there's some newspaper coverage of some
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he showed a lot of promise.
Yep, oh, I think there's an

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interception where you want to game or
something like that. He was a defensive

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back. I believe cornerback. I
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Maybe both, maybe both perhaps,
And then you know, as you go,

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I'm like, whoa, you pulled
an article from I think the Kansas

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City Star. Yes, And this
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read this article about Michael Jones and
how far he got towards a potential career

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in the NFL, and yet we
haven't heard anything about it. They were

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talking big time. Can you read
that for the Solar system? Please right

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here, somebody pinched Mike Jones and
tell him it's all for real, that

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he is actually standing in a huddle. Oh. I was gonna say,

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it sounds like it's about his wrestling
career. No, it's not for real.

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Tell him it's all for fake.
With Emmitt Thomas, Jim Marsalis,

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Willie Lanier, and Buck Buchanan.
Pretty heavy stuff for a rookie safety,

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isn't it, Especially for a free
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months ago was notified to report to
training camp with the Chiefs. Last Saturday

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afternoon in Liberty, Jones proved he
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When he emerged as a star of
the Chief's first scrimmage, Jones swept

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in for a couple of tackles on
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interference, he climacs the scrimmage by
picking off an interception. The Chiefs coach

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liked the way Jones plays the game, they consider him a prospect despite a

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lack of speed desired for defensive backs. Jones was clocked by most scouts in

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college at four point eight or four
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as a free agent. It's my
start, Jones explained yesterday. I really

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moved faster on the field that my
time shows. Jones makes up for a

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lack of top speed by hustling and
concentrating on his assignments. I want my

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techniques and how to play my position. I try to put a hundred and

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twenty percent into each play. One
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he had wanted to play pro football
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Pop Warner League player in Pittsburgh.
But when I didn't, but when I

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didn't get drafted and didn't get any
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thoughts of pro football aside and spend
my time working for a degree. I

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knew then that no matter what happened, I would have my education. He

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said, I don't know which.
I don't know which Virgil you're doing.

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No, I know I'm slipping into
the other. I'm slipping into you two

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of the other version. He wasn't
a Southern man, let's you know.

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But he did happen, But I
don't know. He did sound like it

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though, he be aw cb a
c what are you Hermione Granger and fucking

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with the tongue between the teeth on
the sea. Yeah. When I got

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my diploma, I thought about pro
football again. I contacted the Chiefs.

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That was the only club, I
wrote. I had always liked the chief

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I'd followed them on television. And
another thing, Willie Laniel was here,

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and he was originally from Virginia.
Jones attended Wilkinsburg High in Pittsburgh and was

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a tailback and defensive back, but
at five nine, one fifty eight,

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he didn't attract much attention from college
recruiters. The University of Pittsburgh glanced his

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way but decided his size wasn't major
college caliber, so Jones considered the other

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offers from the likes of Field,
Bethany of West Virginia, Shippensburg State,

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West Virginia State, and Virginia Union, the non headline schools that make the

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Others section in the Sunday Scoreboard during
the college. During college, Jones grew

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to six feet and one hundred and
eighty seven pounds just completely naturally using weightlifting

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and stretching exercises. Does it say
just completely naturally? In the article,

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no I added that, okay,
well he was always very serious about saying

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you never did steroids, right,
all right, Well, I don't know

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how you can add inches to your
fucking body like that, but whatever,

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you know, you're bone, don't
you know. There's only so far they

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can go. But mostly, as
they explained, I think it's just my

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time to grow. Apparently. Really, he also developed as a player,

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climaxing his career. They love that
fucking climaxing. Yeah, that's one too

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many. Here, Kansas City Star, porn Star. Here the Kansas City

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porn Stars this career with eight interceptions. The Most Valuable Player Defensive award in

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the Virginia College Is All Star Game
and College Division All American Honors. Wow,

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now, how can how can he
have gotten that far? I mean,

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I'm not suggesting that he had a
decorated football career. I'm not suggesting

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that he even really had more than
a cup of coffee within the the general

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radius of the NFL. But Virgil
was not one, as we learned,

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to downplay anything he's ever accomplished in
his life. Right, Virgil is one

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to shove it in your face and
to exaggerate it to the hill. He

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would take that article and by the
time he was done with it thirty years

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later, you know, he was
a backup like defenceman every Sunday on the

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sidelines. You never saw him because
he never got much playing time, but

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he was there. He was always
there, was the rudy. He was

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the rudy of whatever team. So
what's going on here? How did Virgil

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get so far in terms of a
potential NFL career and really just have like

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an athletic background that he never talked
about. I listened to the interviews.

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He never talks about it, really, and again the revelations about what college

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even went to didn't seem to really
come out until his passing. And then

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I remembered something. Oh boy,
I remember that. Early in my research,

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I looked up the records of the
information he provided us to book his

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flight for the bachelor party, and
in addition to his date of birth,

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which I was able to find countervailing
evidence of nineteen fifty one as opposed to

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sixty one and clearly the same guy
based on the nature of the records I

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was looking at. Yes, I
also had his middle name that It's not

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like his middle name has been a
big mystery, but it's Charles, Yeah.

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And I remembered searching for Michael Charles
Jones No to get a sense,

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you know, because I'm thinking,
you know, while Michael Jones is an

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incredibly common name, Michael, it's
so common that if you were to be

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listed in a newspaper, you might
go by Michael Charles Jones. M that's

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journalistic practice so that other people with
that name don't potentially suffer, you know,

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reputational damage if the story's negative,
for instance, by assuming it's the

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wrong Jones. So it becomes common
practice to use your middle name when you

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have such a common first and last
name, particularly in publication, so it's

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to not great confusion until the reader
precisely who it is that you're talking about.

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And I'm like, wait a minute, that Michael Charles Jones I read

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about? Was this is before I
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How Michael Charles Jones I read about
was thirty years old in nineteen eighty one?

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Mmmm? Virgil wouldn't have been thirty
years old and mmmmm nineteen eighty one

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because he was born in nineteen sixty
one, right or sixty two? Mmmm?

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Why would Virgil want no one to
know that Michael Charles Jones was thirty

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years old in nineteen eighty one?
And when you told me that you found

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that article about how Michael Jones had
gone out potentially for the Kansas City Chiefs,

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and was you know, essentially a
semi pro football player, right or

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at least he's on the the what
do you call it? The like the

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workout team, right, squad to
squad? Thank you? It clicked in

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m And it's when you told me
that, I said, stand down if

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you want to protect the surprise he
did say that that's a shoot. Because

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I realized that the Michael Jones I
was reading about out of Pittsburgh, PA.

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What what year is that Kansas City
Star article by the Way nineteen seventy

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five, that the Michael Jones I
was reading about in Pittsburgh area newspapers in

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nineteen eighty one, who is thirty? It's him, and it's it's a

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national story. It's picked up by
the Associated Press. It is not a

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small deal. It is Dare I
say the kind of thing that you would

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change your date of birth for to
avoid people being able to connect one in

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one his hometown paper Pittsburgh Post Gazette
nineteen and eighty one, We learn the

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following the trial of a former Pennhills
police officer and his cousin on heroin trafficking

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charges, Oh My God, is
set to open Monday in US District Court.

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Anthony Pope of Verona, who resigned
from the force last February, and

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Michael Charles Jones, Oh My God
of Monroeville, will go before Judge DONALDY.

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Ziegeler on charges that they illegally possessed
about two hundred and seventy five packets

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of heroin with the intent to distribute
them when they were arrested April sixth at

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the twenty two Motel in Monroeville.
The Proceedings will open with a motion by

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defense attorney Stanton D. Levinson and
Edgar Snyder to prevent the U. S

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Attorney's Office from using his evidence the
heroin seized in the arrest Edward H.

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Shied, a special agent for the
Federal DEA. This was a DEA raid

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only shack. This isn't like a
traffic stop, local police department, you

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know, kind of small town deal. This is a fucking federal investigation.

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Said at a preliminary hearing that the
heroine, a total of about four ounces

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with a street value of up to
fifteen grand, was found in a car

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rented by Pope, which as we'll
learn, was Virgil's cousin, when federal,

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state and the local police closed in
from a stakeout. Levinson said he

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will argue that the evidence was taken
illegally and should not be used. Police

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did not have sufficient cause to arrest
Pope, and Jones enacted in improperly in

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not getting a search warrant. Levinson
said, without the heroine, the prosecution

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will have no case. He said. Pope twenty nine, who listed his

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address at Second av Varona, left
the police force February twenty eighth to join

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his family in operating the Atmosphere Lounge
and home Wood. That was just five

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weeks before the arrest. Victor Cicero, Penhill's police to director, said at

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the time the arrest that Pope was
a fairly normal officer. Ciceros declined to

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comment when asked if he was investigating
Pope's work on the force. Pope had

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a thirty eight caliber revolver and his
police badge with him when he was arrested.

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Oh my god, k fabe copp
Virgil, Virgil's cousin, and this

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ah, and this was where it
clicked. This is where I was like

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this, this can't be Virgil because
he's thirty and nineteen eighty one, and

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Virgil never had anything to do with
the Chiefs or the Saints or anything like

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that. That's no one's ever heard
that about Virgil. This can't be the

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same guy. And then you found
that article, and then this paragraph had

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all the meaning in the world.
Wow. Jones, thirty, was a

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member of the former Pittsburgh wolf Pack
semi professional football team. He also played

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briefly with the Kansas City Chiefs and
New Orleans Saints of the National Football League.

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Holy Shed gave its addresses Fox Hill
Drive in Monroe, Val. He

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said he also was employed at the
Atmosphere Lounge. If convicted, each man

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would face a jail term of up
to fifteen years and a flan of up

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to twenty five thousand dollars. During
the preliminary hearing, Shy testified that a

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confidential informant in an unnamed motel employee
identified Pope as the man who used aliases

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to register at the motel several times
last winter. Let me ask you,

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boss, mm hmm. If Michael
Jones is allegedly in concert with this gentleman

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to move heroin packets, and this
guy is able to create a false identity

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and use aliases to evade detection,
and as an actual police officer so really

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understands the ins and outs of how
to pull that off convincingly. Is it

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too much of a logical leap to
conclude that maybe old Virgil picked up some

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pointers and got himself a cafe birth
certificate. I think that's a very very

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very probable thing. I mean,
because you type in Michael Charles Jones with

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the nineteen sixty one date of birth, and if you might not know this,

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but you know date of birth is
a huge investigatory detail for police officers

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because if you have someone's DOB,
you can much more efficiently search their entire

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entire criminal history because you know it's
them. It's almost as good as a

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social Security number in that regard.
Oh my god, And so anybody who

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would have done a background check for
Virgil and of the organizations he went on

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to work for anything like that,
if he provided this this shoot date of

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birth, you better believe there's going
to be a hit for a fucking dea

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drug raid in federal charges. That's
what happened to the football career. That's

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why Virgil doesn't want you searching up
his name and association with these football teams

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because these articles would come up hashtag
lapsed bitch, damn fucking right. Based

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on that information and other details supplied
by the informant, a stakeout was set

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up at the motel she had said. Pope was arrested when he attempted to

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leave in his own car. Jones
was arrested when he went to the car

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rented by Pope. The defense attorneys
asked US Magistrate Iliagene Sessenich, who presided

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over the hearing, to force shide
and prosecutor Assistant US Attorney Charles Sheedy to

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reveal the name of the motel employee. Cessanich refused the request. Levinson said

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he will not push the issue further
a trial. The hearing on the defense

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request is expected to take up the
first day Siguler denies the motion. Jury

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selection will probably begin Tuesday. If
Siggler approves that the prosecution is expected to

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appeal. The proceedings are expected to
take about a week. This one all

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the way to trial, this was
this was splashy stuff, and unfortunately the

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the the adjudication isn't really easy to
find. I can't really I can't really

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say what came of the case.
Yeah, but and I don't know if

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maybe he did some time. I
mean, it's entirely possible. You would

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think, let's tick a quick gander, because, unlike Michael Charles Jones,

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Anthony Pope, an association with heroin
might might pull a different hit. I

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just thought of that just now.
If that is indeed your real name,

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Yeah right, What I wouldn't give
to just have known about this back then

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and so hard. Tell me about
Anthony Pope, Yeah, tell you about

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your cousin palell I forgot, man, I don't even know who is that

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I forgot? He would forget so
badly? Yeah, oh no, I

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don't know. I don't. I
don't have any cousins, many relatives I

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never had. Okay, okay,
you're going with you don't have any relatives?

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Is that? Is that what I
heard? Okay, here you go.

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You're ready for fucking money? Oh
yes, ready? Are you fucking

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ready? Give it to me.
September one, nineteen eighty one, ap

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National US District Judge Donald Ziggler handed
out seven year jail terms to a former

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police officer and a former professional football
player and a heroin charge the US Attorney's

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office. Ziegler and Muddy also sentence
former Penhillsboro policeman Anthony Pope, twenty six,

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of Verona, and Michael C.
Jones. See that's Michael C.

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Instead of Michael Charles thirty of Monreville
to five years probation. Jones formerly played

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football for the Kansas City Chiefs and
the Saint Louis Cardinals. Okay, he

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didn't play football for the Saint Louis
Cardinals. I mean maybe the other one

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said the Saints. The prosecutors he
might have played I mean he also might

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have played for the Los Angeles Patriots. He played baseball for the the Saint

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Louis Cardinals. That that's possible.
But let me see what was the before

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they were Arizona. I think they
were Saint Louis and he played cornerback for

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the New York Yankees. They were
They were the Saint Louis Cardinals in the

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NFL too. Oh they were.
That's not an error, but I don't

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know why it said Saints over there. Pope and Jones, who were cousins,

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were convicted August sixth. The possession
was intended to delivered twenty two hundred,

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now two hundred packets of heroin.
Oh my god, there was a

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typo in the first one. Apparently
he valued at ten grand. Both the

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fendants were allowed to remain free on
bond. Michael C. Jones sentenced to

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seven years in jail. And I'm
looking at eighty one and I'm looking at

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seven years. Maybe some credit for
good behavior, maybe some probation. Yep,

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my god. Virgil was probably sprung
months before he got into the professional

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wrestling business. Ah wow, let's
fucking go wholely shit. So if you

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want to know why, there's this
mystery around when Virgil was born. It's

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not just because oh it wouldn't it
be funny if I was younger and I

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could work everybody to thinking that it
wasn't a vanity thing. It was what

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you thought. It was that this
guy had a hustle, the depths of

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which the business really wasn't prepared to
accommodate, and that mark mindsets aren't prepared

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to for this guy really ran the
streets, as they say. Wow,

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And it's a lovely thing to know
about. So with that backdrop, how

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about we become a what's that I
imagine that he I mean, you know

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again, looking just quickly at his
uh at his uh uh uh wikipedia,

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I would say he probably got four
years because or like served four years before

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being let go, because it does
skip. It is kind of crazy,

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like it does skip from his college
to eighty five, and you know,

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then getting the training meeting Tony Atlas, it says, and then training with

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a wild Simons that amazing. Woo
wow. Let that be a lesson that

406
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:30.440
when ye, when it appears a
wrestler is lying for no other reason than

407
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:37.319
just to be amusing, be smarter
than that. Yep, Virgil Virgil Virgil

408
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:44.160
don't fuck with the big dogs,
that's correct. So what do you say

409
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.880
we get acquainted with the wrestler Virgil
became after doing time. That's the only

410
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.839
thing we could do. Michael C. Jones born nineteen sixty one broke into

411
00:30:52.839 --> 00:31:02.319
the business. He worked everyone until
they okay, God so so fucking good.

412
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.440
I mean, it's unbelievable that he
lived his whole life without anyone figuring

413
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:14.440
this out about the man, Like
I always say that tlf was, as

414
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.480
we celebrate, TLFX was endowed with
perfect timing in that when we decided to

415
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:21.960
do this show, and when he
decided to lean into that research, when

416
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.960
we realized there was a hunger for
it. Yep, all of a sudden,

417
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.440
every fucking word ever written in any
major newspaper was at our fingertips,

418
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:36.400
right exactly, the resources existed to
run down claims, to investigate right the

419
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:42.279
matches that you know, Mike Mazurki
had, yep, exactly like contemporaneous newspaper

420
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:48.279
coverage of wrestler's careers in the thirties
for under the cinemat, Yep, all

421
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.759
all started to be, you know, fully and robustly available, just when

422
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:57.319
we came calling a ton of wrestlers, I mean dozens of wrestlers that had

423
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:04.160
meaty, weighty career years came out
with books after we launched the podcast that

424
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.480
laid out in exquisite detail, in
many cases, exactly what you would want

425
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.839
to know about every little beat of
their careers. Because the market for those

426
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:15.519
kind of books had developed and matured
enough that you know, everybody was getting

427
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:20.519
on the train. It's just lap
serendipity all over the place. So nobody

428
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.640
ten years ago even would be in
a position to if they were researching a

429
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.720
potential interview with Virgil to find out
about this. Nobody, no, no,

430
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.359
And I'm sure Virgil took comfort in
the fact that, you know,

431
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:37.440
unless you probably know what newspapers archives
were in terms of like how readily available

432
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:42.079
they are. But think about it
too, like you wouldn't have how how

433
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.240
difficult would would it have been?
You know again, It's like I think

434
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:52.720
to myself, it's one of the
reasons why I hated doing research in school,

435
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:59.599
because of not having a direct line
to kind of go to and uses

436
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.160
as a reference point, like the
fact that you can do a word search,

437
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.319
you know, and get results right
away. Like you don't get that

438
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:13.359
now you look through fucking those those
those slide machines whatever were my microfilm,

439
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.440
Yeah, microfilm, you know,
like you don't get that, like you

440
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.960
have to just and you would never
be able to triangulate to where right you'd

441
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.640
be able to find that piece.
And even you know the fact that that

442
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.880
piece if they if that Kansas City
Star article didn't have a picture of his

443
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.839
face, yep, I know you
wouldn't. You still wouldn't feel although I

444
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.559
would I would have felt comfortable just
because they mentioned the college and the time

445
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.599
of that point, I would have
felt comfortable with that. But no,

446
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:39.839
but you make a good point.
I mean, like it's and also too,

447
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.079
you know, it was on a
whim. It was on a whim

448
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:46.079
that I decided, Hey, you
know what I haven't done yet. I

449
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:51.319
haven't looked up Mike Jones. I've
been looking up Michael Jones all the time.

450
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.079
And when you're sort of looking up
Mike Jones, all of a sudden,

451
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:59.160
a ton of shit came up that
was including on ancestry. Like that's

452
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:04.039
how I found him in because he's
not Michael Jones in the in the yearbooks,

453
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.039
it's Mike. He was known as
Mike. Yeah, his whole life

454
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:10.840
apparently like not even like but it's
funny because you'd think in those type of

455
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.400
types of of records, you know, yearbooks, they put your they put

456
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:21.119
your full name down. Yeah,
but no, it was Mike Mike Jones.

457
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:23.280
So how early was he was he
sprung? Well, we know at

458
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:30.199
least as early as nineteen eighty six
because he's doing his first uh he's training

459
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.039
eighty five eighty five. Yeah,
he's making his first television appearance in nineteen

460
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:42.519
eighty six for the WWF. Is
a job guy Lucius Brown spelled luscious a

461
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.639
Johnny Valiant on Color commentary takes great
exception to Gorilla mon Soon pronouncing it is

462
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.199
luscious, so they say it's lucious. And he is bricked up man.

463
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.280
He looks he looks like a guy
that discovers steroids in prison, if I'm

464
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.039
honest. Yeah, and he is. He looks a lot bigger than he

465
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.360
ever did. Is a million dollar
man's bodyguard. And he does a quick

466
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:02.760
job to Paul Oor Dworff taking the
pile driver. Wow, this is Paulor

467
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.920
and Dwarf back when he was coming
out to real American to taunt and mock

468
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.440
Hulk Hogan. I did not know
he did that. That's oh yeah,

469
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.199
tremendous. Oh yeah he did.
I might as well. We might as

470
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.519
well pull it up. I mean, it's it's it's a it's a necessary

471
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.320
part of his career. So if
you want to jump onto YouTube, we're

472
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.119
gonna do a funk uh style watch
along for this episode because a lot of

473
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.159
these matches, especially the WWF ones, we've covered already. But watch along.

474
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:28.440
You haven't had from us yet,
so this is an appropect time to

475
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.880
do that. What am I looking
for? I guess just for Orn Dwarf

476
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:50.039
and Virgil Orndorf Virgil. Yeah.
There, it is like a commercial there

477
00:35:52.039 --> 00:36:00.719
contra, which is fine. I'm
lining it up here. Do you agree

478
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.599
that the previous ad is relevant to
you? Oh Jesus, I don't.

479
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.679
I strongly disagree. Consumers want ads
that are relevant to them. No,

480
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:14.360
consumers want no ads exactly. So
stop stop taking the dais at conventions in

481
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:19.280
conferences and acting like you have a
unique beat on what consumers want from brands.

482
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.880
Consumers want nothing from brands. They
want to be left alone at all

483
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.320
times and when they have intent to
shop or whatever word you want to use,

484
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.480
They go to the fucking website and
buy it right exactly. They don't

485
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:38.480
just suddenly get get impacted by you
know, inventory. Oh I'm sorry,

486
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:45.320
I'm looking here right now on the
to the right on the feed there.

487
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.800
Oh yeah, I guess. There
was a Virgil versus Diesel match Monday Night

488
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:52.639
Raw, April eleventh, nineteen ninety
four. There was. Yeah, he

489
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:58.400
came back a couple of times for
like one off appearances. He wasn't in

490
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.280
the ninety four rumble, was he? Yeah he was? He was okay,

491
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.519
so that was it. That was
that? It was? It was

492
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:05.920
yeah, it was that weird time
where he was just yeah, doing these

493
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.840
these these random I think that was
the rumble I should have been talking about

494
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.639
in part one. Remember I was
saying he wasn't booked in the beginning.

495
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.599
You're like, yeah, he was
for ninety three. He certainly was.

496
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.199
I was like, okay, it
was there through Summer Slam ninety three.

497
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:21.760
Yeah, ninety four rumble is what
I meant. Okay, yeah, that

498
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:23.760
makes sense. So you're ready to
do a number ten. He came out

499
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:29.840
number ten and he was one of
the guys chucked by Diesel. Amazing.

500
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.760
He was in the fucking ring for
thirty two seconds. That's in the archives

501
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.719
right in ninety four. Rumble it
is. Yeah, we did it.

502
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:39.519
We did it not too long ago, a couple of years ago. So

503
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:45.320
you ready to watch Virgil's first WWF
shot. I absolutely am September seventeenth,

504
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:46.599
ninete eighty six according to YouTube.
Of course, you can find it out

505
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:55.599
there as well. And we'll hit
play in three two one, play four.

506
00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:04.119
There's nol Phillips on the call.
That's what you look at him ship.

507
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.840
He is huge, all oiled up, luscious brown. He has got

508
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:16.320
it. He's got hair. I
know, I'm weird. That's really funny.

509
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.960
We're America and I had no idea
he was doing that. People thought

510
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.320
for a second it might be help
yeap of course, like to the Ring

511
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:30.559
by Bobby Heenan. Look at that. Look at that fucking face. Oh

512
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.480
no, it's like Elizabeth behind him
that Liz I think so looks like here

513
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.480
though maybe it lives to Fabio.
There we go, wonderful. Look at

514
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.960
look at the man, Look at
Virgil. Look at Virgil. White trunks,

515
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.280
white boots, white knee pads.
Yep, just like the most like

516
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.360
you know, strident like we can
do this kind of babyface and he's doing

517
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:58.840
the you get the footwork going on
there, he's ready the born doorf fucking

518
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.239
Christ. Think he thought that this
was kind of the end of this big

519
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.719
time like, you know, I'm
sure he did not feuning with Hogan.

520
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:12.000
It's all over. Like how many
people realize that the long the hard way

521
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:25.840
that See here's the guy using my
adjectoe lucious lucious us right here. You

522
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:31.440
can go to the bank of that. You can the JV alliance, the

523
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.000
JV team over there. That's what
it is. I got that right,

524
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:43.639
luss luscious uh luscious. Junior Varsity
also got a couple of shots for Crocketts

525
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:49.199
as a job guy did Virgil all
right, and and spent some formative years

526
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.800
in Memphis as well before coming in
as a million dollar man's bodyguard. Referee

527
00:39:52.800 --> 00:40:00.079
was checking virtual sleepads for Heroin.
I found out that's that white is turning

528
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.719
a bit brown there. I'm not
sure that's just a ring girl. That's

529
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:12.559
just like an attendant, if you
will, chanting, Paula, we want

530
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.559
hunk, I don't. I don't
like the buildings with the ceilings like that.

531
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.800
There's mid Hudson Zivic Center. I
think in Poughkeepsie. Oh sure,

532
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:27.760
Matt explains that, Oh my god, look at these people, eighty six

533
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.920
manslution. He's tall too, man. He stacks up. He stacks up

534
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:36.119
favorably against Rangeorf. Of course,
I had a wonderful zeke. All those

535
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:42.880
stretches stretched a lot. Look at
Virgil, awkward on his feet. Nice

536
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.039
sleep Frog tries the second one.
It gets hot shot across the top o

537
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.760
drop hard Virgil who had to eat
ship man. We talked about the sid

538
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:55.239
Justice angle. Oh yeah, just
flailing it out of the canvases. Didn't

539
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:58.679
I ask him he wasn't on the
video, but didn't I ask him about

540
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.719
how he felt like, you know, being I wish, I wish they

541
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:06.960
all have that. Ask him how
he felt about always being the butt of

542
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:13.719
a joke, basically this party being
no exception. Yeah, right, exactly.

543
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.639
You know your your Virgil as a
hit on Dusty Roads. You're Vincent

544
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.239
on a as a hit on vincick
Man. Yeah, you're at this bachelor

545
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:28.639
party because you're a fraud. Like
thrown violently to the floor and dropped face

546
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:30.880
first across the railing. Was Virgil. Yeah, he always just like he

547
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.320
acted like I had nothing to do
with using that name to mock other people.

548
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.960
Man, I don't want to,
you know, lampoon anybody. He

549
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.719
just hed totally no sould those questions
he was at. Of course, that

550
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:45.079
was what he was always asking,
shooting interviews and stuff, and he acted

551
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.639
like he didn't even realize that he's
being used to make fun of others.

552
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.079
Yeah, back in the ring,
hard Whip and a Lariats, Paullen Gorf

553
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:59.039
puts down Lucious Brown, Lucious Luscious
Lucius Brown. Yeah, yeah, that's

554
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.719
right, Jimmy Valley, and you're
it's not Luscious Brown, it's luscious Lucius

555
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:08.679
Brown. All right, here goes
Curtains see a verge. Oh spiked him

556
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:13.280
tough, that tall, tall,
lanky guy. I just heard Jimmy Valiant

557
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:20.800
say, sell it, daddy.
Are you counting in Spanish? Johnny exactly?

558
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:34.280
Let's get to your fresher work,
and there's American. He's still what

559
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.440
the hogan bos do. Look at
that. Remember, he was like supposed

560
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.840
to be the backup plan if Andre
couldn't make her Mescelania three. So that's

561
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.840
being built right now, fall Lady
six. He definitely thought I think this

562
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:54.400
is before the big Toronto Exhibition Stadium
match with Hogan. Yeah, I mean,

563
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:59.360
how would have that even worked?
Like, hadn't he already beaten Orndorf

564
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.199
in that cage match? Oh yeah, so what the fuck? How would

565
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.320
that have been? Interesting? If? Or a good question? I think

566
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.920
they probably would have shot a hot
angle or something. I look at that

567
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:19.400
jump poof. He totally used to
leave his feet on those pile drivers.

568
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:21.880
Man. Oh yeah, no,
fuck's given. So there you go.

569
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:27.000
Virgil is now a pro wrestler,
having after having done time. That's right,

570
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:31.119
ha ha. I don't think I
can say that enough. It's just

571
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:35.480
I don't know. I don't relish
it, but it's satisfying when someone who

572
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:37.599
is such a carny, you know, oh, such a smoke and mirrors

573
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:40.599
guy, such a guy you couldn't
believe anything came out of his mouth.

574
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.840
He I think tedd Tobias he said, you know, he lied when telling

575
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:49.440
the truth would have been easier.
I believe that just just you know,

576
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.239
you realize where it all started.
Just he's, you know, con man

577
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.079
from the beginning, hustler from the
beginning. Well, the thing that I

578
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.880
like, again, I don't like
that you know. I don't want him

579
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:00.199
to. You know, I don't
like that you serve time or anything like

580
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:05.000
that. What I do like what
I like about it all. What is

581
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:12.840
satisfying is that we were able to
uncover secrets that's right, good or bad.

582
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.079
Could have been good secrets, I
wouldn't have cared. It's just like

583
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.800
the idea that there's something that people
didn't know that's right, that was unsure

584
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.679
in the thrill of the hunt.
Yes, oh my god, I can't

585
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:28.039
tell you how many the moment you
said, can you find me a birth

586
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:32.760
certificate? Down the fucking rabbit hole. I'm great to know that I have

587
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:37.760
that U break glass in case of
emergency option. Yeah, because you've been

588
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.400
unleashed on this now. Man,
you've got it. You've got it.

589
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.760
You know exactly where to look,
and it's it's wondered. It's a wonderful

590
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:47.039
thing. It only makes us more
powerful ten years in. It's painful because

591
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.519
it just takes up, exactly,
It's like it just takes up because you

592
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.440
know, you start just taking different
paths. Because now I'm now at that

593
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.440
point, I was like I was
determined. I was I was like,

594
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.960
I'm not gonna and not find this
or at least something that gives me evidence,

595
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.239
you know. And I saw that
article with his face and the chiefs,

596
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:09.199
I was like, oh my god, that was all him. That

597
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:14.119
shit that I dismissed as not him
was all him. That's wild. And

598
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:20.000
now the birth date thing makes sense. So having been sprung from the clink

599
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.760
and having been piled driven by Paul
Oworndorf on Superstars, Mike Jones is ready

600
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.880
to become Virgil. And we turned
down to the million dollar Man, Teddy

601
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.920
Biassi's book, because of course he
came in day one as the servant of

602
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.159
Teddy Biassi. Here's how it all
happened, Ted writes, before I ever

603
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:37.320
wrestled a single match for the World
Wrestling Federation, the viewers were introduced to

604
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.840
my character through a series of vignettes. They carefully craft created vignettes rather to

605
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:45.000
make me as hated as possible.
It was slapstick comedy at its best.

606
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:46.880
The first one showed me in the
back of a limousine counting my money.

607
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.599
While I was counting the money,
I got a paper cut. I told

608
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.320
my driver in personal valet Virgil,
to take me to the hospital. When

609
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.760
we got to the emergency room,
I demanded to see a doctor. The

610
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:59.079
attending nurse said I had to wait
like everyone else. Look, you don't

611
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.000
understand. I'm the million dollar man. I don't wait on anybody. The

612
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.400
nurse reiterated that I had to wait. All of a sudden, I called

613
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.119
Virgil with a snap of my fingers. He pulled out a lot of money

614
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:08.800
and handed the nurse three or four
hundred dollars. The nurse took the money

615
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.599
and said, I'll be right back. Sure enough, she came back with

616
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.599
the doctor. I arrogantly replied,
that's what I thought. Then I turned

617
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:16.679
to the camera and said, don't
get upset with the nurse. She is

618
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.519
no different than you. She did
the same thing that anybody would do.

619
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.920
She took the money just like her. Everybody has a price for the million

620
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.920
dollar man, That's right. People
always talked about how this was Vince.

621
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:32.840
This was Vince channeling kind of like
a an inner. Uh you know,

622
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.920
Ted. What I'm thinking about,
actually is how do you feel about about,

623
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.840
you know, touching women in the
back of the limousine? Oh no,

624
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:45.280
how do you feel about that?
Do you? Okay? Well,

625
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:46.920
well I think that might be a
bridge too far, Vince. I'll do

626
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.719
anything for the gimmick. But well
doesn't listen, then you can. If

627
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:52.840
you wan't to do anything for the
gimmick, then you're going to go a

628
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.960
bridge too far. Virgil, have
any thoughts, pal Virgil, what do

629
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:02.360
you think about about him banging hose
in the back of the limousine? You

630
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.480
know, yo to Bob. I
am fine if that happens. If you

631
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.639
need help, I can help Virgil. I'm asking for a friend. What

632
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:17.400
are you packing? I don't want
to brag. I got a nineteen inch

633
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:23.360
flaccid it's up, buss and I
then he ended it with my debarrogant laugh.

634
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.880
Debs writes it became the standard punch
line for all my early interviews.

635
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.320
There was another vignett where I went
to a restaurant. We pulled up and

636
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.000
there was a lying long line waiting
to get in. With Virgil by my

637
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.199
side, I walked right up to
the front of the line. I told

638
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.239
the major d that I needed a
table for two. Sir, you were

639
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.920
going to have to wait in line
like everyone else. Look, you don't

640
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.239
understand. I'm the million dollar man. I don't wait on anybody. I'm

641
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:46.400
sorry, sir, but you're gonna
have to wait. Out of the blue,

642
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.719
I called Virgil with a snap of
my fingers. He pulled out a

643
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.719
wad of money and handed the major
D four or five hundred dollars. The

644
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.519
mayer D took the money and said, well, sir, I think we

645
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:58.440
have a table for two. One
of the people in line started complaining and

646
00:47:58.480 --> 00:47:59.960
came up to me and said,
hey, pal, who do you think

647
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.840
think you are. I just looked
at him and smiled. I then took

648
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.960
a step back, and Virgil stepped
in with his great, big arms and

649
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.599
foul demeanor. The guy just backed
down and slithered back in line. Virgil

650
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:12.320
and I got seated at the table
and we were waited on hand and foot.

651
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:14.800
Then I turned to the camera and
said, don't get upset with the

652
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:16.360
mad or d. He is no
different than you. He did the same

653
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:21.360
thing that anybody would do. He
took the money just like him. Everybody

654
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.119
has a price for the million dollar
man. These vignettes, Boss, were

655
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:30.679
very much predicated on Virgil's arms.
Sure, he's standing there with his cutoff

656
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:37.159
tuxedo yep, looking menacing and you
know, as capable and as wonderful of

657
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.840
a worker's teddybias he was and as
much of you know, he's a good

658
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:45.239
sized guy, we can't forget that. A key lynchpin of those early teddybiasse

659
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.360
vignettes and character the character work was
that Virgil was the guy who would step

660
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.440
in when things got hairy for the
million dollar man. Of course. Yeah,

661
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.039
I mean, well that's that's that's
what makes it so perfect. He

662
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.519
wasn't just there to wait on him
hand and foot. He was there to

663
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.519
literally fight his fights and to be
sort of like this menacing presence that would

664
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:06.639
keep people from attacking the rich guy
that everybody wants to strangle. So he

665
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.320
was absolutely key to the package.
He really wasn't. Yeah, and they

666
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:12.719
found form a character that you know, didn't require him to talk. So

667
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.280
it was great because he's not a
very good talker. No he's not.

668
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.440
And once he does talk, you're
like kind of a lot of that aura

669
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.440
goes away. You know, you're
like, oh, this guy doesn't sound

670
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.800
tough at all. He sounds kind
of goofy. You know, Yes,

671
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:27.599
that that's one thing in wrestling,
man, you better hope that when the

672
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:29.880
time comes and you get that mic
in your hand, if you're over before

673
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.320
you touch the mic, you better
hope you sound like you look, because

674
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.440
if your match doesn't, if your
voice doesn't match your your physical presence,

675
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.679
it's over. And and I always
have the feeling that Vince thought stings didn't

676
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.519
one of the most I agree,
and one of the most disappointing people in

677
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.239
that regard. The Warlord. Oh
that's a huge one. I know it's

678
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.159
sacrilege, but man, the fact
that he doesn't have a deep, booming

679
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:58.519
voice is so so sad. I
know that was why it was so That's

680
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:00.840
why the Goldberg thing kept working.
It's because once they did let him talk,

681
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:05.199
he sounded like a fucking madman,
right why he had a timber in

682
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.519
his voice. One more vignette,
DEBIASI writes, had me going to an

683
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.079
exclusive hotel. I asked the front
desk clerk what the best room was,

684
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:14.679
the honeymoon suite. I'll take it. I'm sorry, sir, it's taken.

685
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:15.880
Well, that is the room I
want. That is the best room,

686
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:19.199
and I wanted. I'm sorry,
sir, it is taken, and

687
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.480
there is a couple in there right
now. Again, I called Virgil with

688
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:24.159
a snap of my fingers. He
pulled out a lot of money and handed

689
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:27.679
the clerk five or six hundred dollars. He accepted the money, and the

690
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.519
scene quickly changed to show him kicking
the honeymoon couple out of the room.

691
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:31.760
Then I turned to the camera and
said, don't get upset with the front

692
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:35.400
desk guy. He is no different
than you. He did the same thing

693
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.880
than anybody would do. He took
the money just like him. Everybody has

694
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:42.400
a price for the million dollar Man. The vignettes were being aired and I

695
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.239
hadn't yet been seen wrestling. When
I finally made it to the live shows,

696
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.440
the immediate response from the fans was
that I was a pompous ass who

697
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:51.239
thought he was God because he had
lots of money, and that was the

698
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.679
whole idea of the character. The
vignettes laid down the foundation for people to

699
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:58.960
hate me. The book includes many
quotes from outside folks, including Bobby the

700
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:02.559
brain Heenan, who contributed this thought. Ted's million dollar Man gimmick was excellent.

701
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:07.960
No one could have done it better
than him except Vince McMahon. A

702
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.079
He cared himself as a true professional. The funny thing is that most true

703
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:15.199
professionals and wrestling aren't nice guys.
Ted is a really nice guy. When

704
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:16.800
I was producing interviews with the WWA. I had to watch over the guys,

705
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.920
monitor what they were saying, and
keep up with them. But I

706
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.679
never had to worry about Ted.
He did everything on times, spoke proper

707
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:23.880
English, and got right to the
point with his interviews. He's a true

708
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.800
professional. And Virgil did talk and
shoot interviews about how Bobby Heena did coach

709
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.400
him through promos. So Bobby's like
behind the camera for a lot of this

710
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.000
stuff. Remember he had that very
short period of time where he was working

711
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.760
in the office. Yeah, right
when I first brought him in, before

712
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.440
he really became a television commentator,
and he was helping produce interviews. He's

713
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.559
even listed as like a producer on
one of the early Coliseum home videos,

714
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.840
just one. That's how quickly it
lasted. But apparently he was still tangentially

715
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:51.199
involved enough that they called upon him
to get Virgil through some promos as well.

716
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.800
After the airing of the introductory vignettes, I started wrestling wrestling jobbers on

717
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.360
TV and easily squashed them during the
nineteen eighties unless you were shooting an angle.

718
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:01.480
Very rarely you see competitive matches on
free TV. Most of the televised

719
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:05.639
matches were what we called enhancement matches, which were designed to highlight the stars.

720
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.079
Today you see top guys wrestling each
other every week. Continued the pompous

721
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.639
antics. We decided to no longer
just throw money at the crowd, and

722
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.159
now I picked plants from the crowd
and made them do humiliating things. We

723
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:20.679
know about the basketball and the kid
crying. We Taedobyasi deprives him of the

724
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.920
of the opportunity to win what was
it, five hundred dollars if he can

725
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:29.679
dribble it for a certain amount of
time, and another person, another person

726
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.400
five hundred dollars if you bark like
a dog. There's Vince again. He

727
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.480
came back to that one with Trish
years later, didn't he? How about

728
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:42.559
it? Hervert making a woman come
in and say wolf, Wolf, Wolf,

729
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:46.079
and and all of that. Virgil
handing him the money the whole time,

730
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:52.239
playing that that key role on the
periphery. Debasing continues. No matter

731
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.719
where I went, Virgil was always
by my side. It was Vince's idea

732
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:58.360
to bring Virgil in his my valet. I didn't meet him until we put

733
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.039
the final touches on. The character
name is Mike Jones, and he's from

734
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.480
Pittsburgh. My hat's some wrestling experience, but fans hired him for his look.

735
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.239
He had huge arms of bald head
and a great physique. Vince laid

736
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.840
out to Virgil exactly what he was
going to do. He was going to

737
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:13.639
carry my bags and shift for me. You know, he you know,

738
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.000
he's he's you know, Vince.
He's been in the company before. What

739
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:22.719
company here? You know? He
wrestled, He wrestled Orango. He did

740
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:29.320
TV job last year in a TV
match. Not this company, Absolutely not.

741
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:37.039
I would remember a man like him
of these proportions, of these proportions,

742
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:45.320
of this proportional aptitude. He never
worked here. Nobody ever worked here.

743
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:52.679
Unless I knew about this, nobody
ever worked here. That's a great

744
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:59.719
thought starter from Vince. Vince laid
out to Virgil exactly what he was going

745
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.599
to do. Okay, he would
open the car door, my hotel door.

746
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:07.679
Virgil was muscle and manager at ringside. He was my personal servant everywhere

747
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:08.880
we went in public. That was
his job and he got paid well to

748
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.840
do what. Virgil never took the
role personally. He has nothing to say

749
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.800
and shooting interviews about like you know, give us a story about going on

750
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:17.679
the road and pretending to be a
millionaire. The whole thing was a Vince

751
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:21.760
put all kinds of cash in Ted
Dibiassi's hand so that when he went out

752
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.320
in public he'd live the gimmick and
give people the idea that really what was

753
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:29.679
that rich? But nothing, nothing
at all, No memories at all.

754
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:34.159
He's very good at selective memory.
The name Virgil evolved, Ted writs from

755
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.599
a meeting over dinner. So here
it is. Here's the story. If

756
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:40.639
anyone acts like still the Virgil name
wasn't a shot at Dusty, like the

757
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:45.480
poka dots, weren't a total fucking
attempt to humiliate the guy, then fine.

758
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:46.760
If you have to hear it in
black and white. Here it is.

759
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:51.440
After I signed with the World Wrestling
Federation, Pat Patterson, Bobby Heenan

760
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:52.840
and I went out to eat over
stakes. Pat said, guys, we

761
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:57.159
have to take up a name for
Ted's servant. After throwing out stupid names

762
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.880
and laughing about things, Bobby said, So tedd Byassi puts on Bobby Heenan.

763
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:08.480
Bobby said, let's call him Virgil, like Virgil Runnels. Got that

764
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:14.079
all right, And so Virgil it
was Dusty Roads his real name is Virgil

765
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.519
Runnels. It was an inside wrestling
rib on Dusty. Wasn't my idea,

766
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:20.800
of course not. But when Virgil
left World Wrestling Federation and joined me in

767
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.440
WCW, they decided to call him
Vincent Ribbing Vincent K. McMahon. Bobby

768
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:28.239
Heenan says, at that time,
Dusty Rhodes was the booker in Atlanta.

769
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.400
He was burying everybody who was working
in New York. There was no Atlanta

770
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:35.559
really at the time. It was
more Charlotte, but I get it.

771
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:37.920
He was burying everybody who was well. It was TBS. He was working

772
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.480
in New York, and so they
needed a name for DBS. Servant I

773
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.599
said, how about Virgil Ted's finisher, the Million Dollar Dream. I never

774
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.360
thought of this one before, where
he put his opponents to sleep, was

775
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.599
named after Dusty because he called himself
the American Dream. Even the sleeperhold was

776
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:57.199
wow, holy shit, we got
to kick Dusty in the balls twice.

777
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.840
Heenan said. It was a good
rib on Dusty, not that he wouldn't

778
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:05.079
do it to us if he could. It was good fun. Virgil and

779
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.840
I Ted Wrights became good friends.
He was a heck of a nice guy,

780
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:09.280
and we spent a lot of time
together. We initially thought that would

781
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:13.280
be good idea a room together on
the road. Unfortunately it didn't work out

782
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:16.320
because we needed our own space as
well as control of the thermostat. One

783
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:21.119
night, I woke up sweating bullets. I checked the thermostat and Virgil had

784
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.599
turned it up to about eighty degrees. I turned the thing down all the

785
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:28.360
way to zero degrees. Can you
imagine, boss, Oh, do you

786
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.440
imagine having to fall asleep in a
hotel room with somebody that insists on it

787
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:37.679
being eighty's It gives me a fucking
panic attack just thinking about it. You

788
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:39.639
meet my wife, Oh, she
goes that high, No, not that

789
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:45.000
high, but she as You like
it cold? Oh? Absolutely, it

790
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:46.239
can never be too cold. I've
been on the road with you. You

791
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:52.280
like it cold, You like it
hot, not the boss. It's gotta

792
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:58.000
be like sixty five degrees at least
at the hottest at night. It's unbelievable.

793
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.519
I get to be I have to
move my my legs around and every

794
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:05.760
place, no matter how recently I've
been there. It's cold on the bed.

795
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:07.920
Wow, it's got to be cold
on the bed. If it's warm

796
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:12.760
I get very uncomfortable in the first
night of the road, first end of

797
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:15.320
the road with Virgie. You both
fall asleep and he gets up in the

798
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:16.920
middle of the night to crank it, so you already even have a chance

799
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:21.000
to know what's happening until it's too
late in your in the rows of heat

800
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:22.519
stroke. And then well, then
I'll get up in the middle of the

801
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.360
night, and there's no way that
that heat wouldn't keep me yes, wake

802
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:28.599
me up. I'd get up out
of the exact same thing. I'd go

803
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:34.480
up there and turn that shit down. Phenomenal fucking freezing. I turned,

804
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:37.719
Debasi says, I turned the thing
all the way down to zero degrees.

805
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:42.079
That's really funny. I'm a big
guy and enjoy sleeping in cool temperatures.

806
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:45.119
Break the machine. I got up
in the morning and couldn't even see Virgil

807
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:47.119
in his bed. Yeah, that's
the thing about air conditioners. Respect them,

808
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:50.880
because if you freeze that thing over
and nobody's going to be happy.

809
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.599
Yeah, exactly, nobody wins.
I got up in the morning and couldn't

810
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:58.079
even see Virgil in his bed.
He was buried under a blanket, on

811
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.519
top of blanket, he said.
Man I don't know if room with you,

812
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:01.960
I can't handle sleeping in the cold, did or brother? I love

813
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:07.480
sleeping in the cold. Virgil says
in the book Ted is a great person.

814
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:08.599
Even though we were on the road
together every day, Ted and I

815
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:13.559
never had an argument in order to
get into one single fight. Well later

816
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:17.320
on they kind of did, but
that's the autograph circuit bullshit. I didn't

817
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.079
get along with my own family that
well. Virgil discloses, here interesting wonder

818
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.199
way that would be. I don't
know a Navy seal watching his kid go

819
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:30.360
to jail for heroin trafficking and then
becoming a fake athlete on top of it.

820
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:35.719
I don't know what was a bigger
embarrassment to the family. Mike was

821
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:39.880
his name, Warren Jones, Warren
Warren Jones, Warren Peace is more like

822
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:44.559
it right. He was like a
brother to me, Virgil said of Teddy

823
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:46.320
Biassi. I even had the privilege
to meet and get to know his family.

824
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:49.840
I signed a contract to be Ted's
bodyguard. He treated me as a

825
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.960
true professional. I did everything that
was asked of me and never complained.

826
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:55.960
I never viewed anything as demeaning,
and by no means ever took anything personal

827
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.320
I never cracked a smile, always
staying in character. I did the job

828
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.639
to the best of my ability.
He really does. He does not ever

829
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:07.360
crack as the Virgil character when he's
mean and menacing. Yep, Yep.

830
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:09.719
It's like he's always so good at
keeping that stoke. It's almost like he

831
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:14.639
just disconnects himself from the stimuli around
him. It's like he's in a trance

832
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:16.719
almost when he's in that character.
Yep. Yeah, he just kind of

833
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:22.079
stares at you and you just,
you know, you feel unsafe. No,

834
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.280
no, no, he's unshakable.
One night, we were staying at

835
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:28.480
the Marriott Hotel Newark Airport. At
that point, if it wasn't a major

836
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.400
show or pay per view, vincedent'
want Virgil to drive me around in limousines,

837
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.159
but rather at a Lincoln town car. After wrestling that evening, Virgil

838
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.039
dropped me off at the front door. I told him, don't worry about

839
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:37.880
picking me up in the morning.
I'm going to take the hotel shuttle to

840
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:39.559
the airport and I will catch up
with you at the gate. It was

841
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:43.159
a break for him because he could
take the rental car directly to the airport

842
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.360
and check it back in without having
to worry about dropping me off. When

843
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.400
Virgil got to the gate the next
day, I saw that his eye was

844
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:50.559
smollen, like someone had punched him. Man, what happened to you?

845
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:52.599
Oh man? I got up and
had to use the bathroom in the middle

846
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:59.000
of the night and accidentally ran into
the door. Do you believe that,

847
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:01.159
boss? No, well, I
don't. I believe vincient man punched him

848
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:06.719
in the face, and not for
for for even listening to ted dybs to

849
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:08.480
say I'll take the shuttle. I
didn't even think anything about it until a

850
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.400
month or so later, when I
returned to the hotel. Virgil and I

851
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.280
run different flights. I ended up
checking into the hotel by myself. As

852
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:16.199
I was checking in, one of
the bell guys came up to me.

853
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:19.440
We were regulars there, so I
got to know most of the staff,

854
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:21.880
he said, so, Ted did
Virgil ever get over that black eye after

855
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:24.400
that airbag hit him in the head? Air bag? What are you talking

856
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.960
about? Oh my god, man, the last time you guys were here,

857
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:29.880
Virgil went to take the car back. He got into the car and

858
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:32.280
instead of backing up, he drove
forward and ran right over the concrete block.

859
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:36.199
The airbag shot out of the steering
wheel and hit him right in the

860
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:39.039
head. It gave him a black
eye and a bloody lip. This guy's

861
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:43.239
like a he's kind of like a
a like a goof, you know,

862
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:46.800
he's like, oh, yeah,
I mean he's he's just he he is

863
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:54.360
the you know, he's a walking
Murphy's Law. All right. That's what

864
01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.000
I love it is that what they
called the heroin trafficking statue Murphy's Law.

865
01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:07.039
He's just one of those guys who, you know, I don't know,

866
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:15.239
like it's just he's just got he
just has no because he's done because he's

867
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:20.440
made bad decisions, right. He
just continually makes bad decisions, right,

868
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.760
because what's what's one more right?
Right? Because the next, the next

869
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.599
bad decision is going to be one
that pays off. He's like a gambler

870
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:30.760
who you know, just keeps His
solution to losing a lot of money gambling

871
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.159
is to just take a bigger gamble, right. And that's actually because that

872
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:36.519
did that is something people didn't say
about him, that he did have a

873
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.079
problem with the race tracks. So
that actually is probably isn't too far off.

874
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:42.400
It's trying to make a quick buck. Yeah, he's a hustler man.

875
01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:45.840
Very simple. Just put something in
my hand that I can three x

876
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.400
the value of, be it a
an eight by ten of me holding the

877
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.360
million dollar title, or a fucking
baggie of heroin, or a betting slip

878
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:59.000
at the track, or or making
a goof appearance at a bachelor party.

879
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:04.760
That was one last great hustle man. I mean we not only did we

880
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:07.559
did we have to hire him a
ride. He took us for one.

881
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:09.480
Oh. I bet you could have
you know, I bet you could have

882
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:14.480
talked him down like, oh,
that's that's what the knobs. Oh,

883
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:19.239
he hadn't done it for four hundred
dollars, I guarantee you. Oh my

884
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.039
God told him listen, I'll feed
you, I'll feed you, I'll fly

885
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:24.599
out. All right. This is
how good of a negotiator I was.

886
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:34.079
He named his price and I said, okay, Well, circumstances were very

887
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.360
different at that point. Well,
it was all about the fact that I

888
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:39.599
even found him. Yeah, And
at that point, the last thing you

889
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:42.840
want to do is fuck it up
over three hundred dollars, you know,

890
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.639
especially with the with with your dad
willing to make this happen. Because he

891
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:51.039
happened to get a phone call from
the only family in the world whose father

892
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:53.440
would actually think it was worth spending
on this guy who would know enough about

893
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:57.800
wrestling to think he was worth a
lot, but not so much about wrestling

894
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:05.079
to know that he would do it
for half the price, and not too

895
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.639
much arresting to know that he really
isn't worth a lot. You're right,

896
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:14.079
And by the time that became apparent
where everybody was already pretty drunk. So

897
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:19.440
yep, it was fine. Yes, So that happened that evening. Virgil

898
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:21.960
picked me up to take me to
the arena. On the way there,

899
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:22.440
I asked him, Hey, man, how is your lip? And I,

900
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.559
oh, it's okay. Now,
hey Virgil, that door you ran

901
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:28.719
into didn't happen to look anything like
an airbag, did it. His eyes

902
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:30.679
got big and he said, who
told you? Man? Who told you?

903
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.800
We just laughed, Virgil. I
purchased a three This is Virgil talking.

904
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.239
I purchased a three thousand dollars pl
a black leather coat. Davy boy

905
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:39.800
Smith ribb me real good by putting
tape on the back of my jacket.

906
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:42.880
When I went to remove the tape, the glue pulled the leather off.

907
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.639
I was furious. And immediately wanted
to get back at Davy Boy. So

908
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:51.599
he's a he's a big spender too. He ended up destitute, of course,

909
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.840
And you know that WSW contract pretty
sweet, you know, I mean,

910
01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:58.039
it wasn't one of those guys that
got kisses in the mail for three

911
01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.960
years after the company closed, because
he was dropped right before the Russo Bischoff

912
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:04.840
era started in April of two thousand. But you know, he shouldn't have

913
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.559
been that that straight out by the
end of his life, I don't think,

914
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:12.039
But you know, maybe this is
this is a glimpse at how he

915
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.800
chose to spend his money. When
Pritchard talked about him upon his passing,

916
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:17.519
did say he was someone that put
away his money. He remember him being

917
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:20.760
very stingy about that. And he
was mathematically inclined. I mean, we

918
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.159
made jokes about how he told us
he was a math teacher and things,

919
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:27.239
but he said that in other interviews
with a pretty straight flight, a pretty

920
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:30.119
straight face. No doubt. I
don't doubt that he was a math teacher.

921
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.960
What I doubt is that he made
one hundred thousand dollars a year working

922
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:35.880
as a substitute math teacher, working
one day a week. Didn't he tell

923
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:40.000
us it was like four hundred thousand
or something even crazier than that. Ben,

924
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:41.960
I don't know. I thought it
was one hundred thousand. But he's

925
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:43.920
working one day a week. I
said, what are you talking about?

926
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:45.760
Man? It's like, oh,
dude, you're not like a tutor as

927
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:50.639
far as I could tell, trigonometry
and geometry. Yeah, does he said

928
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:55.119
he had, I guess from a
Virginia union. He got a mathematics degree.

929
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.320
Yeah, which is interesting. So
yeah, and that all tracks right,

930
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.039
you know, thinking about numbers,
pushing weight right, of course,

931
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:06.519
you know, trying to get sixty
bucks off of polaroid instead of ten,

932
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:12.920
pushing weights, pushing dates. Yep, huh. Deep inside that apparently clueless

933
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:15.960
head of Virgil is just like all
these charts and graphs at all times.

934
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:23.199
Absolutely, he's like constantly calculating upside. He's like, uh uh, what's

935
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:27.119
his name? In a beautiful mind? Yes, John Nash, John Nash

936
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.280
or Kevin Nash. You know,
shit, I got charts and shit going

937
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:34.079
through my mind all the time.
I got fucking you know, map charts

938
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:39.800
and look, I got a beautiful
mind. I got a beautiful mind.

939
01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.360
You know, I got a beautiful
mind for direction, got a beautiful mind

940
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:47.159
for profit for tax advantage. I
said, I'll tell you what I got

941
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:54.880
a I got a beautiful mind for
ten ninety nine. Ted convinced me to

942
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:57.880
wait to get back a Davy boy
a while and get him a few weeks

943
01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.599
down the road. So a few
weeks later, Davy left his Union Jack

944
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:02.599
flag cape unattended. I seize the
moment, cut my name out of the

945
01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:06.440
back of the cape. It was
perfect. Uh. Davy then try to

946
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.960
give me back by cutting my black
pants. The pants he destroyed were actually

947
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:17.599
mister Fuji's trousers. Virgil and Ted
Dibyasi are now a thing. Give me

948
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:21.840
a give me good trousers. I
need your trouveth. I'm gonna, I'm

949
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:28.760
gonna. I'm gonna hold on him
for a while. Ah ah my Yoko

950
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:41.119
Dullah as opposed to your Yoka Zuma. I didn't say nothing about Yoko Duma.

951
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:48.760
Ah ah my Yoko dullah Too good, dude, too good. I

952
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:55.079
can't believe lapsed Fuji isn't a thing. So what's the date we have on

953
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:58.960
this? DBAs in Virgil versus Bam
Bam Bigelow and Hulk Cogan tag match.

954
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:04.559
It's January twenty fifth, nineteen eighty
eight, so we're talking to like,

955
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:09.239
what two weeks before the main event. That's wild. Wow, think about

956
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:13.559
that for a second. Yeah,
we talked about how Virgil very rarely wrestled,

957
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:15.760
and DBSC made reference to that,
and no fucking clue that he didn't

958
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:20.400
wrestle that he wrestled before ninety one
before turning Babyface. Yeah, I thought

959
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:24.119
that was kind of like the big
first match. Well, I mean the

960
01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:27.559
tag match returns Face at ninety one. Rumble he's wrestling in, That's what

961
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:30.039
I mean. Oh not SummerSlam,
right, No, I mean I'm talking

962
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:33.119
about it. I think I feel
like the first time was that tag match.

963
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:36.679
Yeah, it's Mermlan ninety one.
That to me was always the first

964
01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:39.920
time he wrestled. Yeah, the
Hasbro era fans, it really was.

965
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:43.119
It was the first time because I
remember the novelty of seeing Virgil and wrestling

966
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:46.400
trunks on that show, right,
and also kind of wearing those long ones

967
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:53.000
that kind of in a way resembled
what he would have one of the variations

968
01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:56.159
he would have, because it was
like he'd had those long stripe ones if

969
01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:01.559
he wasn't wearing the boxing trunks and
trunks. So this is in Madison Square

970
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:04.679
Garden, so of course it airs
live for the luckiest fans in the fucking

971
01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:10.280
world, those who have MSG cable
as just a you know, a full

972
01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:13.360
card on the Madison Square Garden network, just like the whole coc and Iron

973
01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:15.920
Cheek match for eighty four and that
whole show that we covered last time we

974
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.680
were with you. And so this
is how the broadcast kicks off and how

975
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:23.439
much anticipation is in the voices of
Vince McMahon, Lord Alfred Hayes and Bobby

976
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:28.399
Heen and I can't possibly describe for
the forthcoming unveiling of Virgil in the ring.

977
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:33.600
Just let that, let this simmer
for a bit. Do you feel

978
01:08:33.600 --> 01:09:15.239
that night in Madison Square Garden the
tag team matchup in the main of that

979
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:23.399
everyone looking forward to Ted Tbs and
his body guard Rustler Virgil and they will

980
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:28.800
be squaring off against Bam Bam Pigelow
and the World Rustling Federation Heavyweight Champion Hop

981
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.560
Cogan. Hello everyone, I've been
the man of ringside along with or let

982
01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:36.760
him scarry your Lord Alfred Hayes and
who is that? What are you doing

983
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:41.600
here? I have a long here. You don't even have a head center,

984
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.239
a microphone. You don't belong here. Bobby the brain heenen wo course

985
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:49.359
represents the King Harley Race, also
representing the Islanders, as the Islanders will

986
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:55.359
be squaring off against the British Bulldogs
and a sensational tag team matchup. All

987
01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:58.640
of that in a great deal more. We have all kind of excitement here.

988
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:00.920
I know you're looking forward to it. Absolutely. The fresh bull Dogs

989
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:04.520
have a great test in from the
game. If they complete the Island as

990
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:09.560
they're surely in line for a title
shock. But most of all, the

991
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:15.079
intrigue of Andre the Giant here backing
up the team of ted Dbsad, a

992
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:18.600
million Dollar Man and with him a
Virgil, the ever present Virgil. All

993
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.199
right now it braw you at home, Please don't let I'll forget you too

994
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:29.720
excited, all right, freaking awesome, the ever present Virgil. That's right,

995
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:31.840
he was a present. All right, you got this video, let's

996
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:34.560
queue it up, I do.
We're going to take in Virgil and the

997
01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:39.399
Million Dollar Man, Teddy Biassi versus
hul Cochin and Bam Bam Bigelow. Remember

998
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:44.119
this was that short lived Babyface Super
Push that the Bammer's got yep, that

999
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:48.239
was so summarily abandoned after apparently he
rubbed under the giant the wrong way and

1000
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.199
Andre gave him a hard time in
the ring of the garden. Oh that's

1001
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:54.880
the thing, you fucking if you
touch him and you rub him the wrong

1002
01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:57.760
way when you're giving him like a
massage or a rub and forget it.

1003
01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:05.760
Absolutely absolutely fuck go fuck you'll think
you are he throw me a pharaoh.

1004
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:13.199
Look what's behind you. There's some
very behind you. Brother. Oh shit,

1005
01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:20.920
furven oil, chuck you fu fuck
a thumb up his ass? How

1006
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:27.079
about that? One O six forty
is your time code? One O six

1007
01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:31.000
forty. This is video of the
MSG television broadcast, and we're gonna take

1008
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.560
this match in. Apparently it's on
one of the whole Comania Colosseum videos to

1009
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:39.000
this match. Alight, we haven't
got there yet. No, on the

1010
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:42.680
Colsseum collection side, we have not. Obviously it's deep into the collection.

1011
01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:46.399
If this was eighty eight, that's
true, that's true. I'm ready when

1012
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:49.680
you are. All right, here
we go in three to one play.

1013
01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:56.000
All right, we're back in manusin
Square Garden and awaiting the product of the

1014
01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:00.840
world Rosling Federaction Jacks and hol Kobe
right when he makes his way to the

1015
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:04.680
ring, and he will be a
company with want Bam bicklow individual. I

1016
01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:11.680
believe mister Heenan even individual. What
kind of individual was that? This individual

1017
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:15.680
that Bobby Enan was associated with?
Yes, shake a little bit that mat

1018
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:20.640
going hair, Yeah, because I'm
not sureing hair. The following contests the

1019
01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:29.119
time team match schedule for one fall, Big Team number one. Both men

1020
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:33.399
have a whole combined my five hundred
and ten pounds and they make their winroom

1021
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:47.239
President in the Netherlands and Tilly thank
God for parad Ooh we get the locker

1022
01:12:47.319 --> 01:13:09.039
room shot. Ye, let's go
cam gimink m King King King, get

1023
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:16.720
the King k k k k k
kame King, keep the King King King

1024
01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:35.399
Kinking King King King King King King
King and thank you for that. With

1025
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:41.760
Andre the Giant flanking them. Yeah, speaking of right the main event,

1026
01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:49.039
Yeah, exactly right. It's pretty
wild. The thing right before that nb

1027
01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:54.439
SU blowout special that the M s
G Show still looked like this. I

1028
01:13:54.479 --> 01:14:03.239
don't know right this this actually looks
a little bit better than comes Alster.

1029
01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:12.439
It is with herser all over humpered
ink life. Did they just finished doing

1030
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:18.279
screen caps for Wrestling Media for the
NES back there that this crew. Harry

1031
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:24.319
comes with the title still not winged
Eagle. No, not that was the

1032
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:28.960
main event that was. Yeah,
so this is Holt's last walk at MSG

1033
01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.800
with the old belt. Wow.
So they hit the ring and immediately DEBIOSI

1034
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:35.680
and Virgil season stop. You heard
Vince Mack comment about Virgil's impressive physique.

1035
01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:40.039
So he's getting a chance to flex
that without the vest for once. Double

1036
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:43.439
knock and knocker. Deber's at Virgil
bumping for the industry. Very impressed with

1037
01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.600
those traps, right, yeah,
and he's always knew how to set a

1038
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:51.199
trap delta. I'm listening. I
don't set traps for women, all right,

1039
01:14:51.279 --> 01:15:00.239
Double big boot from Hogan and Biggs
tearing the shirt Bammers there. I'm

1040
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:02.520
talking with Bamers and then said,
hey, you know when we do a

1041
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:06.880
fucking double boot, you right?
Oh, d Berzy, it's a top

1042
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:10.920
buckling. He's gonna do some bumping
around for Hulkster here. This must be

1043
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:15.199
such a rush for Virgil, Oh, I imagine. I mean he comes

1044
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:17.880
out of jail and in two years
if we have our math, right,

1045
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:23.680
he's wrestling in the garden. No
experience really Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1046
01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:29.079
that's the kind of dreams WWF could
make possible if you, if you have

1047
01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:30.359
the look that Vince was looking for
at that moment, in a role that

1048
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.840
he needed to fill, like you
really could have a charmed life for a

1049
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:38.560
little while. Yeah, and it's
all about criminal criminology. Absolutely corner to

1050
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:41.600
corner, whip Holster crushing Gbiasi.
Of course, Hogan Dibiasi a big what

1051
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:48.399
if? Oh yeah, he's rubbing
Debiasi's face. He's interesting. You know,

1052
01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:50.399
you look at Virgil, you look
at his fucking body, and you

1053
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:55.680
see Hogan, and Hogan's just like, you know, it almost looks like

1054
01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:58.920
he's got a belly compared to Virgil. Interesting, you know, it's like

1055
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:03.560
it's almost like he does his physique
is less than Virgils. Nice tight shot

1056
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.600
of Andre getting pissed off that Hogan's
pointing to bim Ben Bigelow and get into

1057
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:10.279
the dark and crawd to pop for
him. Yeah, all right, told

1058
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:14.680
he didn't do anyone over four hundred
pounds in the WWF. Uh, Andre

1059
01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:17.359
is gonna have a problem. Yeah, Abert hits the buckling. It takes

1060
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.560
a shoulder block and turns inside out. Andre I told you before, if

1061
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:24.279
you want, you know this guy
can do a moon set, right,

1062
01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:26.680
can you do it? What are
you going to do? A pounds exactly?

1063
01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:30.960
Are you going to do a a
somersault splash from the top rope?

1064
01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:38.640
Are you gonna do? Are you
gonna do a on a Harlem hangover?

1065
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:42.079
I can't do a full fifty,
boss, but I can do a one

1066
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:46.720
eighty or a two o five they
could do I can, I can.

1067
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:50.000
I can drink one hundred and navy
bills. That's what I'm looking for.

1068
01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:58.520
Quick tags between the Holster and Bigelow. It's sound tag team strategy. I

1069
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:00.920
think you could have got behind Hogan
and bigel if you were a fan back

1070
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:06.119
then teaming together. Yeah, oh, totally, totally. I think I

1071
01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:10.600
think I could have gotten behind Bam
Bam, anybody who was associated with Hogan,

1072
01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:14.439
I could have gotten behind. At
that time, pumping machine Dbasi was

1073
01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:18.479
look at this guy, he's fucking
I always loved the way he sold,

1074
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:21.960
you know, getting his head brammed
in the buckles. I also loved he's

1075
01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:27.239
one of my He and Jacques Roujeau
were two of my favorites when it came

1076
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:31.319
to like a top if they were
on the top rope and they're coming down

1077
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:34.119
and the baby face strikes them in
the mid section, and they do that

1078
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:39.159
all day at Summersault. I'm there
for it. I used to do that,

1079
01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:42.720
but of course a kid, that
was one of my favorite fucking spots,

1080
01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:45.399
and so I would do that with
my friends. I'd go to the

1081
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:47.439
top, I'd go to the top
of a chair, I'd jump down.

1082
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:49.039
I'd say, hit me in the
gut, and I'd do that, and

1083
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:54.359
then I'd do that little jump leap
thing and ran on my back back with

1084
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:58.800
the holster. Break my neck.
Yeah, that's dangerous. This so back

1085
01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:01.039
Suplex and deebers and then Virgil eats
a big hogan right hand and bumps off

1086
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:04.399
the apron. Virgil is not totally
bald here. I see a little bit

1087
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:08.600
of hair. There's definitely a yeah, he's got a little something going on.

1088
01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:15.920
Right hand. Oh will the windmill
right hand drops devers? No there,

1089
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:19.039
Oh dude, Brother Andre trips Hogan
from behind from the floor. Girl,

1090
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:26.720
drop your balls from the behind.
This was the spot. Boss,

1091
01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:34.600
Oh choke call him oil can boyd? Did you as no choking? Hulk

1092
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:48.039
Hogan, you grow big head.
But he didn't cackling uncommentary, but he

1093
01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:53.319
was down there. Oh yeah,
but he got back on commentary. Right,

1094
01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:57.000
So I'm walked down with this looks
like a Hasbro commercial, doesn't it?

1095
01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:00.920
Oh god, it does. This
is totally sty'd used in that you

1096
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:03.960
know, left arm lariat by Didiassi
drops the holster off the whip and still

1097
01:19:04.039 --> 01:19:10.199
Virgil is that that standing that standing
clothesline that he just did? That was

1098
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:13.359
then that's one of his moves in
wrestle Fest. Oh my god? Really?

1099
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:15.760
Yeah? Yeah, you Virgil and
wrestle Fest. Not a Virgil,

1100
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:20.000
No, he's not Virgil off the
top ra hope. Wow, Virgil comes

1101
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:25.000
up with a top rope single axe
handle dropping Hulk Hogan Deeve's you know,

1102
01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:28.119
des wrops a guy in the in
the corner and he just stands there and

1103
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:32.640
then he lifts up the arm and
just fucking amazing. You get a Hogan

1104
01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:41.600
rising from his knees at the at
the feet of Virgil. Yeah, what's

1105
01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:56.079
he insane about? Virgi? Yeah? You think powerful sort? You think

1106
01:19:56.159 --> 01:20:00.520
n W CW Hogan maintained vincent or
do the think he'd called him Virgil whenever

1107
01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:05.439
the cameras weren't rolling. That's a
good question, because you know we didn't

1108
01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:12.920
call him Mike. He had Andrei
trying to use the bottom rope, push

1109
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:19.560
it down across Holt's throat while the
ref's distracted. Big nasty Giant. Wasn't

1110
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:27.159
that big show for the big nasty
bastards anyways? Oh yeah, tag to

1111
01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:31.319
DBA Virgil holding him open, Dibia
rings down punishment, Hogan him a knee.

1112
01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:43.319
Nothing's going to stop another giant Hogan
his beat. Yes, he takes

1113
01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:45.840
a shot at Bigelow and the apron
Bigelow helpless to do anything about it.

1114
01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:48.199
He's not the legal man? Is
he tatted up on his forehead? On

1115
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:53.000
his head yet? Oh yeah,
that was the day one thing. Okay,

1116
01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:59.560
maybe he added some of the years
went, but egg knife fetch chopped

1117
01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:04.520
from dB backing up the Hulkster going
oh Hogan, wow, Hogan bumping back

1118
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:11.640
clips over the ropes. But the
term isn't the business for that? Or

1119
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:17.880
do you go over the ropes like
that? So Oliver Humperdink on the move

1120
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:27.680
just to make your night. I
believe we've talked about him and his after

1121
01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:39.239
shows with hookers absolutely and his sweaty
chest, yeah, just the and they

1122
01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:43.760
were men, the hookers were men. That the beads of sweat on his

1123
01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:47.279
hair and his red hair and his
chest tag Hergil. He hasn't even done

1124
01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:57.119
anything. He's just fucking waiting.
Hegel getting punishment and on hul Irish What

1125
01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:00.359
then he drops Hogan with a clothesline
isn't jumping clothes line? There? Good

1126
01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:10.640
stuff. Birch had a fist drop
from Virgil. Can can can cankingkeep you

1127
01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:19.560
can kinging King campiging King King King
Piking keeping King can keep think King King

1128
01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:26.319
Brother halts building back up rakes Virgil's
eyes. Virgil immediately tags out to deebers

1129
01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:30.479
things looking harry for a second.
There for the million dollar man's bodyguard.

1130
01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:38.439
I love those standing drop fists.
How does he get that angle? Look

1131
01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:43.720
at that? Look at that so
fucking amazing that oppressed by Ted Dibiassi gets

1132
01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:48.000
two and three quarters. He ain't
been complaining about the cadence of the count.

1133
01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:53.199
I think he's got a point slipper
hole now from the million dollar man

1134
01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:58.560
Debes. I mean, Virgil doesn't
look great, but isn't it bad?

1135
01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:02.239
No? I think he's protected in
this tag tag mash formula. That's true.

1136
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:04.720
You know, I think, you
know, I think it's a smart

1137
01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:10.359
move to for this put don't I
remember thought, you know, the thing

1138
01:23:10.479 --> 01:23:14.479
is Virgil. I never thought Virgil
looked bad, right. I thought he

1139
01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:18.760
was completely adequate, right, you
know, because he was pretty fast and

1140
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:23.720
he sold well, and you know, he's no genius, he's no,

1141
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:31.039
he's no fucking ring general. But
he's he's he's totally adequate. You know,

1142
01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:38.239
he's he's better than some today.
I'll tell you that ripping the top

1143
01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:44.039
tag rope. He's very observant of
that, that rule to be honesty.

1144
01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:45.600
He's brought hul Cogan all the way
down to the canvas in the sleeper hole.

1145
01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:50.000
Yes, here's the WWF champion,
maybe fading, playing a babyface in

1146
01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:54.600
peril. Here, not the big
hot tag comeback guy. That's that's big

1147
01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:58.319
alow. That's that's that's kind of
typical for Hogan, though, I feel

1148
01:23:58.359 --> 01:24:00.159
like, yeah, I feel like
Hogan's alway. It's kind of a weird

1149
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:03.760
thing because you always think that Hogan
would want to be the hot tag guy,

1150
01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:10.680
but he he he often is the
baby face in peril and lets the

1151
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:15.840
his his partner take that, take
the pop. Hogan breaks for you with

1152
01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:17.800
back elbows in a tackle town goes
Debiassi off the ropes, over the top

1153
01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:25.079
comes Hogan, ducks a backhand and
double I wonder, what is what's Hogan

1154
01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:29.319
getting right giving? You know,
you know he's not doing that for free.

1155
01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:32.880
You know, what's what's his partner
giving him? Well, I'm sure

1156
01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:38.199
he's got designs on take a little
turning on him and getting the wrestled innu

1157
01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:41.319
pay day out of it. You
know, a guy that's north of three

1158
01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:44.720
fifty comes out of the company.
That's what Hogan's thinking. Here comes Biggs

1159
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:50.520
hot Tag and he's in there with
Virgil. Virgil. Virgil hurts a knee

1160
01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:57.640
on the cell. Nice nice good
good bomb there, Jesus as an athlete

1161
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:00.840
man, Yeah no, there really
was up to a gorilla press from bigelow

1162
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:05.920
Ah above the garden. He's one
of those guys like you. I never

1163
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:10.279
understood how he could get beat up
so bad, so so badly, and

1164
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:15.359
so easily, because like he's so
muscular, right, how did he always

1165
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:17.279
get beat up so much? I
know he's like he actually he's like a

1166
01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:21.760
two hundred pounds of reill thinjer brone
exactly. That was an awesome gorilla press

1167
01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:27.199
by kind he kind of Oh,
Hogan sneaks in the leg drop Oh,

1168
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:30.880
Bigelow in the hot big splash on
verge covered by Bigelo one. Two,

1169
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:38.079
this thing's over fucking referee taking the
slog? Is this I don't even Rember?

1170
01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:41.159
Is this the first guys? Are
we starting the finish? In this

1171
01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:44.680
one, Andre's got his hands on
Bigelow, ripping him. I didn't get

1172
01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:48.560
a chance to read the script beforehand. It was fun except for the gorilla

1173
01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:51.119
press lamb. Virgil was trying to
sit up and Bigelow is coming down with

1174
01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:55.520
the head buttons, almost like Virtil
forgot that was next and I think they

1175
01:25:55.600 --> 01:26:00.760
cracked heads there. Yep, Virtil's
backup well enough to commence a two on

1176
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:06.279
one beat down like Bruce Hart.
There something the ringside Wow hounding on the

1177
01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:11.000
hulks for ringside. And here's Bigelow
drop kicking Andre from behind. Ray,

1178
01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:15.600
Andre taking the bombed ricochets off the
rope and hits the canvas. Hogan storing

1179
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:18.840
chairs in the ring. Bigelow's wheeling
a chairs this crazy night at the garden.

1180
01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:23.720
Yeah, Hogan launched a chair from
the floor and Bigelow caught it in

1181
01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:27.279
midair. Both Hogan and Bigelo's standing
ground in the middle of the ring.

1182
01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:32.399
Humperd inc hit humper ding with a
fucking chair, please, humper ding,

1183
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:41.119
Kumpa doing kumpa with the suspenders,
wearing Andre right like he's a fucking uh

1184
01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:45.319
uh. He's got like a like
an olive tree. Yeah, he's sure

1185
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:49.520
that he does. Actually, Virgil
and Dbiasse holding back Andre. I'm going

1186
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:54.279
to go pick the allars forty three. It's the announcement about to be made.

1187
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:06.600
Jubilation at the garden now yet playing
the saxophone theme for Bam Bam,

1188
01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:24.920
Oh my god, King King can
kill in the back. Oagan taking about

1189
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:28.960
with the championship, Bigelow mid ring
as well, flashbulbs in the garden.

1190
01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:30.880
This was in the middle of the
show, of course, an event in

1191
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:33.359
the middle of the card. So
they can go home, they can go

1192
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:42.279
home. It's really so that everybody
is in their seat to hear the pitch

1193
01:27:42.359 --> 01:27:45.600
that intermission is now and tickets for
the next show are available to box office.

1194
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:49.119
Get yours before it's too late.
That's right. You don't want to

1195
01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:56.720
make that announcement at a weak point. In the show. Finally Andre compelled

1196
01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:59.159
to and was there. Is that
why the main event was in the middle,

1197
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:02.880
so that you yeah, yeah,
they'd make the announcement of the next

1198
01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:08.600
show and the date in the main
event if they could. And that's the

1199
01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:11.399
thing too, like if the main
event was on the end, it probably

1200
01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:14.319
would compromise what they could announce for
the next show because there was probably a

1201
01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:17.359
title match, and what are you
gonna say, right Ogan laying the belt

1202
01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:21.840
down, still ready to battle if
you'd be, Assi, Virgil and Andre

1203
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:31.039
are interested, but of course not
to have that exclusive fucking you know TV.

1204
01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:36.279
Ah, It's just it's just fucking
miraculous. Just had such a better

1205
01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:40.840
beat on like what the WWF was
like, yeah, when you could see

1206
01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:45.760
it on this monthly kind of supercard
basis, and it wasn't like a bigger

1207
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:47.920
produced pay per view. It was
just like well, run of the mill,

1208
01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:51.520
their best foot forward, but like
a really good house show and how

1209
01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:56.359
crazy these people are going. It's
yep, and you'd the best part is

1210
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:59.840
you'd see big stars like you would
absolutely would, and you see big you

1211
01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:05.600
know, like you said, like
paper view quality matches essentially Hulk Wilpo's that's

1212
01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:13.399
right, Nagan. Last show,
we looked forty years ago when Hogan won

1213
01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:15.920
the belt in this building, and
now look where he's at just four years

1214
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:25.039
later. Vince McMahon, Haltonmania is
still running wild and Madison Square Garden try

1215
01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:28.399
to teach you. Bam bam bigelow
the ear cup. Yeah, you don't

1216
01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:33.000
ever get that of a Hulk merchandise. It looks like John Senor's belt.

1217
01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:39.640
There it does. It's me out
of woods, so I guess it's Daniel

1218
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:49.520
Bryan's belt. Actually, wow,
that's a fucking playing lord. Al And

1219
01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:57.359
you know, I believe that Hulk
Hogan is the greatest professional athlete of all

1220
01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:02.760
time is rare. They brought down
the music and there's lad, there's glad.

1221
01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:06.960
That's funny. Hell could look at
this guy? How over was this

1222
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:10.399
guy? This is just like a
kind of run of the mill MSG show.

1223
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:19.840
Yep, you can end up there
aging. So not a bad first,

1224
01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:26.840
uh Gan King and Gan King Guarden
outing for Virgil. Sure, not

1225
01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:29.600
at all. So we'll push it
all the way now to the Rumble ninety

1226
01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:31.319
one. So I'm gonna load it
up on Peacock. I think the Boss

1227
01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:38.039
is an alternative method, but you
at home, you know, to do

1228
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:44.359
what you need to do, you
at home. That says to the cock,

1229
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:49.840
this show, this show, this
show, as we pull it up,

1230
01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:53.479
just please, I mean, people
who don't know. Rumble ninety one

1231
01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:57.000
is everything and I watched it when
we were getting ready for the World Rumble.

1232
01:30:57.079 --> 01:30:59.880
This year, we're gonna watch the
little Are we gonna watch the little

1233
01:30:59.880 --> 01:31:02.479
thing beforehand? Where Yes talks about
the dinner. I got one, thirty

1234
01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:06.359
six fifty five. I'm close enough, I got one? Are you doing

1235
01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:12.880
it? Right after Tugboats promo?
I believe? So let me discern that.

1236
01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:32.760
Yeah, tell people what's so special
about this show? I mean,

1237
01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:35.399
first of all, it was the
first for me. It's the first video

1238
01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:41.239
that I ever rented, first wrestling
video I ever rented, and was right

1239
01:31:41.319 --> 01:31:49.239
after the nineteen ninety two Roar Rumble
happened and I and so there's just that

1240
01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:59.479
magic to it, and it's like
there's there's something about the The commentary of

1241
01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:06.319
Piper and Monsoon is so great.
Even though you know, I love I

1242
01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:12.479
love Heenan, obviously, I love
I love the face Healed dynamic, but

1243
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:16.520
there's something about having these two guys
that is just a lot of fun Piper's

1244
01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:24.439
so great on commentary, And where
were you on Virgil coming into this show.

1245
01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:27.640
Did you have any inkling that something
big was about to happen with this

1246
01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:30.359
guy? No, No, this
is kind of the funny thing. So

1247
01:32:31.239 --> 01:32:35.840
so when I came in to watching
in late ninety one, early ninety two,

1248
01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:45.840
so much stuff actually happened in between, you know, from the beginning

1249
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:47.439
of ninety one to the end of
ninety one. In the early ninety two,

1250
01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:55.960
you know, like I didn't know
what the Heart Foundation was. I

1251
01:32:56.039 --> 01:33:01.840
knew Brett Hart because Brett Harder was
the intercamal champion, absolutely I And to

1252
01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:06.319
me, Jim Knightheart was the new
foundation. I didn't know. I didn't

1253
01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:09.960
know what this Heart Foundation was.
And you see him come out, He's

1254
01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:12.479
like, you see Jim Knightheart come
out dressed like Brett Hart, Like why

1255
01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:15.520
is he dressed up like for Brett
Hart? Right in this thing? I

1256
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:19.920
didn't know what a brother love was
coming out there. But like it also,

1257
01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:29.960
uh uh, you know, savage, the whole savage thing. Warrior

1258
01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:34.439
wasn't there anymore when I started watching, you know, the slot like Slaughter

1259
01:33:34.520 --> 01:33:39.319
had just turned baby face again when
I started watching, So to see him.

1260
01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:41.119
You know, he's the heel Eve
though I knew he was a heel

1261
01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:44.039
beforehand. There was just a lot
of stuff, you know, Demolition was

1262
01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:46.079
gone by the by that point that
I started watching. Wow, right,

1263
01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:51.760
it just ended. You know,
there was such a changing of the guard

1264
01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:57.640
in nineteen ninety one where a lot
of the guys, I mean, like

1265
01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:04.239
Dino Bravo was was was this was
gone. Yeah, Like by the time

1266
01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:08.800
I was watching, the natural disasters
were formed. What is this tug Boat

1267
01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:14.520
character? Right? Who is this
guy? It's fascinating. Yeah, it's

1268
01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:17.199
wild. I'm right after Tugboat cut
his promo. So I got Gorilla and

1269
01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:21.720
I got uh Roddy Piper. Yep, me too. And for those following

1270
01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:26.000
on on Peacock, this is one
thirty six thirty three. I We're going

1271
01:34:26.079 --> 01:34:29.039
to take you all the way through
the tag match. We're Virgil teams with

1272
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:31.760
Teddy Biassi to face Dusty Rhoades,
the namesake of the virtual character for some

1273
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:35.760
irony, and Dustin Rhodes, who
was just breaking into the business. And

1274
01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:42.399
this is the match where Virgil finally
has enough after years of Teddy Biassi's demeaning

1275
01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.520
treatment and what an angle it is. It's amazing. It's the reason we're

1276
01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:48.800
here. Yes, that they did
this angle is the only reason that Virgil

1277
01:34:48.880 --> 01:34:53.600
registered with us such that we would
think to invite him to a party in

1278
01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:58.279
twenty twelve. Yep, but this
is it. Yeah, three two one

1279
01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:02.840
play anybody at the top of their
game, ready for the royal prest the

1280
01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:09.159
piper, the bare chest under his
shirt, I can take it out.

1281
01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:13.279
This has been the greatest acting like
he's on cocaine the whole night and I

1282
01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:16.680
have ever been at and I am
truly excited and the best. It's just

1283
01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:23.640
yet thet he's popping gorilla, just
acting like a fucking saying general thing.

1284
01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:28.760
The big tag team matchup Virgil,
the henchman of the the Henchman Boss.

1285
01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:34.560
Yes, of course a catch Dusty
and Dustin Rhoades. I love this.

1286
01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:41.199
I love this whole story here.
I love this fucking story shared some stim

1287
01:35:41.319 --> 01:35:45.840
mill talked about life, talked about
pride, talked about want money not by,

1288
01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:51.119
talked about sat there and instead of
instead of leaving a million dollar tip

1289
01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:58.720
and thank you, we want we
walked cars eyebrows. I'm sure so good.

1290
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:03.479
And the Virgil before that time did
not have friendly cry now let's take

1291
01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:09.000
you to Sean Norty this idea,
and tonight you will be the wine Son

1292
01:36:09.159 --> 01:36:14.640
tag team Dusty and Rhodes to have. And I would say that is a

1293
01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:18.279
very why did this happen yet?
To see you see Virgil as a tag

1294
01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:20.600
team. How do you think your
bodyguard is put a fairy knight in the

1295
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:26.439
ring? Man? I think my
bodyguard is gonna fare very well. Everybody

1296
01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:30.920
wants to know why why does Virgil
wipe the sweat from my brow? Why?

1297
01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:38.800
What is virgil my shoes? Shoes
massage my feet? Look at the

1298
01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:42.920
tight shot of Virgil again, theowl
form of treatment that I feel fit to

1299
01:36:43.039 --> 01:36:48.039
give him. This right here is
why the almighty dollar I have but a

1300
01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:53.439
bodyguard I have, but a tag
team partner. I have but the best

1301
01:36:53.479 --> 01:36:57.359
that money could buy it. And
this right here is why Virgil will do

1302
01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:00.319
it. And you, Dusty Roads
and that bunk of yours are gonna find

1303
01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:05.359
out in just a few minutes.
There is a bodd and that bond is

1304
01:37:05.439 --> 01:37:13.039
the money. That's a man.
Not a word from Virgil, but he's

1305
01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:15.399
got to look on his face,
that's like he's eyeballing. DIBIASI the whole

1306
01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:19.239
time. He's not looking at the
camera or anything. He's looking at DIBIASI

1307
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:33.479
here it comes to dream dream what
is he? Man? Working hard,

1308
01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:43.680
heading hands. He's got a common
hand sticking down in his hands. Yees

1309
01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:53.880
American cream. Yeah, was this
in Tampa? The show? This was

1310
01:37:53.960 --> 01:37:56.920
Miami, Miami. I think I
just saw Jason Hervey. I could be

1311
01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:58.840
wrong. It looked like him,
but I think he was a little too

1312
01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:01.000
young actually, because it did have
the same haircut. It might have been

1313
01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:03.840
a Jason drey Well. I love
this woman. This woman is dancing over

1314
01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:06.840
there, you can see her.
She gets back into it with she gets

1315
01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:11.279
right backed into it with with dba's
team. I always love that. Such

1316
01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:15.680
a great man. The best ones
are the ones where you've watched them three

1317
01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:17.399
hundred times because there's stuff I would
never notice. Look at that, Look

1318
01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:20.279
at the soft focus, the way
they came in Virgil they're putting in the

1319
01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:25.560
foreground. Yeah, they're they're doing
such a good job getting us to pay

1320
01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:30.640
a little more attention to Virgil than
we normally would. Yes, TBIASI ever

1321
01:38:30.760 --> 01:38:33.279
the the cocky stride on his way
to the ring here for tag team action.

1322
01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:44.000
Justusty, Wow, just because we
pay you someone a salary doesn't mean

1323
01:38:44.039 --> 01:38:48.319
to give you the way to intimidate
them. I I believe that I have

1324
01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:53.640
the right to in tip many people
because they get the sealery wiles would I

1325
01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:02.000
And how how good is Piper here? Oh? He's what's he doing?

1326
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:11.079
He is the reason he is He
is setting up that Virgil is a human

1327
01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:15.439
being, that Virgil doesn't need to
be the million dollar man's guy, like

1328
01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:18.600
he's he's the person. Like I
don't know, I don't know how it

1329
01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:23.359
was played up beforehand. I don't
know how it was set up. But

1330
01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:28.439
like I don't know if there was
that if they were actually playing up the

1331
01:39:28.520 --> 01:39:33.319
descent of debiosity and virtual you know, I don't after this, Yeah,

1332
01:39:33.359 --> 01:39:38.560
I don't know, but I but
what I do know is that Piper is

1333
01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:44.319
setting, is laying, is planning
to seed, and it's brilliant because it's

1334
01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:46.239
not done in a way that it's
like, oh wait a minute, you

1335
01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:49.720
know this is this going to happen
in this match. It's done in a

1336
01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:57.000
way that he's just drawing attention to
a guy who we've seen and like,

1337
01:39:57.079 --> 01:40:00.760
I guess commenting on the stuff that
maybe people have have talked about but not

1338
01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:03.479
really talked about or known but not
talked about in public. Yeah, here's

1339
01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:08.359
a guy who you know is just
you know, taking this, you know,

1340
01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:15.960
essential abuse from this from this guy. So absolutely, Piper is Piper

1341
01:40:16.119 --> 01:40:21.840
is a key element to the success
of this Virgil run from the Rumble to

1342
01:40:21.960 --> 01:40:26.479
SummerSlam. Yeah, because Virgil would
never be able to carry the storytelling verbal

1343
01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:28.640
part of the whole thing. No, no, no at all. It's

1344
01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:33.640
a very savvy move to put Piper
in this position, and he does a

1345
01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:36.920
great job calling upound, you know, his own background, his own his

1346
01:40:38.039 --> 01:40:42.800
own personal mythology about coming up fighting
in the streets and being somebody that was

1347
01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:46.239
kind of a you know, kind
of somebody that would that was disrespected as

1348
01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:50.399
a kid. Yeah, like the
clothes line, Dustin Roads drops Virgil with

1349
01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:55.239
the high flying clothes line and a
dropkick. The match started with didiostic Virgil

1350
01:40:55.279 --> 01:40:59.159
having their Irish whips reversed and they
both collided. Did Piper ever get arrested

1351
01:40:59.199 --> 01:41:06.479
for dealing heroin of no comment,
having fucking bricks of heroin like a street

1352
01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:13.159
archin. Yes, Yes, look
at this DBAs dressing down Virgil at ringside

1353
01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:15.680
after a and what makes it work
too. Is the fact that, again,

1354
01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:19.319
at least to my knowledge, outside
of that that MSG show, I've

1355
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:21.840
never I've never seen him wrestle,
at least on him on a major card.

1356
01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:25.399
I distinctly remember this feeling like the
first time I saw him in the

1357
01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:28.880
trucks. Yeah, and it's like, you know, he got he is.

1358
01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:32.199
It's a major card, and so
you kind of would see a frustrated

1359
01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:38.119
gbase when his guy's not doing well. Absolutely, yeah, because that's a

1360
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:41.840
new side. Like you DBS is
always disrespecting Virgil and stuff. Yeah,

1361
01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:45.279
but but him being frustrated that he's
gonna actually lose a match due to Virgil,

1362
01:41:45.319 --> 01:41:47.359
that that adds a new layer to
it. Look at Virgil the leap

1363
01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:50.279
for I've tried a monkey flip.
If Dustin put the brakes on, throw

1364
01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:53.920
on the elbows now and look at
Virgil bouncing all over the place. But

1365
01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:56.800
look at that. Look at that
fucking taking the bump a nice clothesline over

1366
01:41:56.840 --> 01:42:00.960
the top of the floor. Father
and dad looking awkward, and now Debasu

1367
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:04.560
stomping over to Virgil, gonna pick
him up? What fuck's the matter with

1368
01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:11.840
you? Screaming at him? Get
in there. But I remember that the

1369
01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.840
sense the thread running through this of
like Jesus Ted, like Ticket. He's

1370
01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:18.880
the guy doesn't even wrestle like you
expect him to be able to beat these

1371
01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:21.760
guys. He's never wrestled before.
Yes, he's supposed to be able to

1372
01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:26.199
beat them, all right, that's
the name of the game. Virgil slaps

1373
01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:29.880
the apron in frustration, climbs back
into the ring now to engage with Dustin

1374
01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:32.960
Rhodes. Yeah, I don't see
you in there, Debias says Piper again,

1375
01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:39.560
so good planting seeds. Okay,
he's just planting seeds. What a

1376
01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:43.680
frustrated tag in there. You know, you know what makes it. I'll

1377
01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:47.000
show you how it's done, he
says. That's what Debasi said to Virgil,

1378
01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:50.479
show how it's done. Wow,
an asshole, But you know,

1379
01:42:50.680 --> 01:43:00.479
you know again going back to Piper, Piper is is thirty of what makes

1380
01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:05.000
the moment at the end of this
match so special. Absolutely, his screaming,

1381
01:43:05.680 --> 01:43:11.840
Oh it would be it would be
an incredible moment as itself. But

1382
01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:15.720
Piper screaming is that is the whip
cream and the cherry on top of the

1383
01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:18.800
Sunday. I can't wait for that
moment. It's so magical. That's one

1384
01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:24.279
of the best moments of the herat
WW. It's so funny. You know,

1385
01:43:24.399 --> 01:43:28.039
it's like, you know, people
always talk about creative being down and

1386
01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:32.039
stuff, and this is, but
like, think about the amount of emotional

1387
01:43:32.199 --> 01:43:40.800
angles that occurred in nineteen ninety one. This right here the game coincidentally,

1388
01:43:40.920 --> 01:43:45.520
it's like two of them. So
many of them actually involve Virgil, Teddy

1389
01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:51.960
Biass and Randy Savage. Yeah.
Yeah, you know from Savage Savage smashing

1390
01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:57.399
Warrior in the Head earlier on this
show with the thing Savage and and Liz

1391
01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:04.079
reuniting they get married by like this
is. I never understood the the amount

1392
01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:09.880
of disdain that this era got,
this year got ever got it, never

1393
01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:13.279
understood it. There's such incredible storytelling
like that. I think if you lived

1394
01:44:13.279 --> 01:44:16.960
through the whole Mania phenomenon, you
knew that business was sinking maybe, and

1395
01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:19.600
so you didn't want to judge it
on artistic you want to judge it on

1396
01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:21.800
well, it's not as hot as
it was two years ago, three years

1397
01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:26.119
ago. I mean, I just
remember it being some of the most exciting

1398
01:44:26.199 --> 01:44:29.199
television. I mean, here we
are, right, I mean, here's

1399
01:44:29.439 --> 01:44:33.560
everybody Conrad, so many people that
do successful wrestling podcasts. This is their

1400
01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:38.199
era, and if they grew up
in another era, I'm not so sure

1401
01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:42.640
that they would have the fields required
to do something like this. Yeah,

1402
01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:45.800
it's a whole industry. This era
was so dialed in that it created an

1403
01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:51.279
industry of retrospective wrestling podcasts because everyone
this is everyone's true north. It has

1404
01:44:51.279 --> 01:44:56.760
a grow era because because you know, and part of that too is I

1405
01:44:56.920 --> 01:45:00.079
feel like everybody in a good way
is on cruise control. That's right at

1406
01:45:00.119 --> 01:45:04.560
this point where they're every no one's
no one's trying to prove anything to somebody

1407
01:45:04.600 --> 01:45:10.199
else. They're just like comfortable in
their spot. They're they're doing their thing,

1408
01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:14.600
and they're just kind of doing business
as usual. And I don't think

1409
01:45:14.640 --> 01:45:18.600
it's a bad thing in this in
this part, like just I mean,

1410
01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:24.960
also speaking by the way, speaking
of of weird stuff, remember I started

1411
01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:30.520
watching at the end of the year
in ninety one and with Jake, Like

1412
01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:33.920
the first thing I saw was Jake
the Snake Roberts slapping Elizabeth and beating up

1413
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:40.479
a completely weakened Macha Memority Savage from
Tuesday and Texas. Right. Yeah,

1414
01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:45.720
so to come and watch this show, being the first videotape, my first

1415
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:50.239
glimpse into into the past and seeing
Jake as a babyface, like, what

1416
01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:55.239
the fuck happens? Not only a
baby face but one of the hottest baby

1417
01:45:55.279 --> 01:46:00.279
faces, just you know, a
crazy, crazy reaction, and when he

1418
01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:02.720
gets it, when he comes out
of the ring. A couple of times

1419
01:46:02.760 --> 01:46:06.159
they are Virgil saved Teddy Biass from
the sleeperhold of Dusty Roads and from a

1420
01:46:06.199 --> 01:46:10.920
pinning predicament. So they're getting that
in that Virgil is still being a loyal

1421
01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:14.239
servant to ted to BIASI still giving
his bidding. And then he just got

1422
01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:16.079
tagged in and dodged a knee,
lifting the corner from dust and Roads.

1423
01:46:16.119 --> 01:46:20.279
And now Virgil targeting the weakened leg
of the natural, the future Natural,

1424
01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:27.479
showing some ring savvy. Here is
Virgil, yes, indeed, attacking the

1425
01:46:27.560 --> 01:46:30.840
weakened limb the compromise line, yelling
have him to get up for something.

1426
01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:36.399
We've heard Virgil verbalize anything on WWF
television. He's virgilizing out there. That's

1427
01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:40.319
a great trivia question. I don't
know if people have studied it more exactly

1428
01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:44.159
or have a memory. Almost the
first time Virgil uttered a word on WWFTV,

1429
01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:54.159
I certainly couldn't tell you. I
couldn't tell you either. Virgil dragging

1430
01:46:54.239 --> 01:46:56.880
Dustin by the weakened leg over to
the post. Now he's gonna ram the

1431
01:46:56.960 --> 01:47:02.840
knee into it. Yes, and
of course looking like he's thirty five when

1432
01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:10.479
he's twenty two. Oh, I
mean, I know, I mean he

1433
01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:13.479
does, he really does. That's
the thing. Then he looked thirty five

1434
01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:15.920
for the rest of his life when
he's fifty something. I know he seriously

1435
01:47:15.920 --> 01:47:21.359
doesn't. He doesn't look his age
now, ye know, look at the

1436
01:47:21.479 --> 01:47:27.399
purple of that apron, I know, Burgundy, like Burgundy with that fucking

1437
01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:31.760
logose folks, please, it's all
it's just so simple. It's so simple.

1438
01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:40.680
It's like that stuff is just so
you know. I've never while I've

1439
01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:45.520
been okay in the past with with
titles changing, I know that you're very

1440
01:47:45.039 --> 01:47:47.560
the look at the belts, yeah, but like, look at the belts

1441
01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:51.880
changing. But I'll tell you one
thing that I've never liked is the logos

1442
01:47:51.920 --> 01:47:59.880
of the show's changing. Yeah,
sacrilege. It's been like they're so good,

1443
01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:03.680
they were so awesome, and I
don't I don't know why they needed

1444
01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:06.800
to be changed. Again, I
get it, you need to evolve sometimes

1445
01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:12.840
and things there it is. That's
it. There's the spot that sets it

1446
01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:15.399
up. DBS was holding dustin roads
open. Virgil came in through a clothesline.

1447
01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:21.159
Dusty Dustin get out of the way, and Virgil drops DBAs Virgil slapping

1448
01:48:21.239 --> 01:48:24.000
his hands like damn it, I
can't believe I did that. DBAs.

1449
01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:29.520
He's out and he slapped him.
Then he chops him. He's destroying Virgil.

1450
01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:30.159
I remember that was it too.
He didn't just slap him, He

1451
01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:34.000
started doing wrestling moves to him,
fucking beating him. He rose Virgil violently

1452
01:48:34.039 --> 01:48:38.000
out of the ring to just a
million dollar man so tired he can't get

1453
01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:42.560
up a buzz in this crowd as
Dusty gets the tag. Yep, what

1454
01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:45.960
did ted Dbasse just do to Virgil? He just beat up his namesake,

1455
01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:49.439
all I know? Yeah, Now
the real Virgil cooking here and I love

1456
01:48:49.479 --> 01:48:54.680
this. Let's bury. Let's very
fucking dusty roads right now, Roll up

1457
01:48:54.680 --> 01:49:00.760
by dbasc two three pins dusty roads. That's it, nothing, nothing dust

1458
01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:04.680
immediately exit. Fucking Dusty came in
like a house of fire and he got

1459
01:49:04.800 --> 01:49:10.159
pinned on a fluke fucking roll up. It's a weird finish like a bitch.

1460
01:49:12.960 --> 01:49:15.720
So here we go. It's time
to do some business. BBS standing

1461
01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:18.840
victorious in the ring, Virgil still
collecting themselves on the floor after DBS beat

1462
01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:23.880
the ship out of him and threw
him out there. Now Deber is looking

1463
01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:29.000
down at Virgil and barking at him. Games with the chin strap fucking beer.

1464
01:49:29.279 --> 01:49:38.720
So let's lay out for this whole
thing. Yeah, the mat that

1465
01:49:38.800 --> 01:50:00.840
can't come back. It's time to
make us care about Virgil. That nobody

1466
01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:08.760
nobody crosses a million dollar man without
paying a puss that to night, No

1467
01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:15.520
Jo, have kid of yours paid
the plus? That's right, Na,

1468
01:50:16.840 --> 01:50:24.279
listen to the crowd. Orty Chenney, Virgin you paid for the price till

1469
01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:28.479
four too? Hate the price before
too? What is a million dollar belt?

1470
01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:36.199
Ki free and put it around my
waist? Yes? Boy, the

1471
01:50:36.600 --> 01:50:43.079
really stick in here, piper man, I'm so a scotsman. God,

1472
01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:51.000
it cuss his money tops, Laddy
anything. Look at the eyes on Virgie.

1473
01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:58.399
Yeah, Now, Virgil really knows
how to make a face like he's

1474
01:50:58.399 --> 01:51:03.039
about to lose it. He does. He's looking at tend to be in

1475
01:51:03.079 --> 01:51:12.520
a way he never has before.
I'm understanding the guy, and he does

1476
01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:15.199
it. He still eats ship,
He still does it. There comes a

1477
01:51:15.239 --> 01:51:21.560
point, but obviously Virgil don't got
no points quite. I guess that's one

1478
01:51:21.600 --> 01:51:31.000
way of putting it. He's not
ready, not not Look this is great

1479
01:51:31.199 --> 01:51:34.279
here he still builds. It's still
building. It's got the title in the

1480
01:51:34.439 --> 01:51:41.159
in the ring, listening sparkling.
Come on, do it. Virgil's holding

1481
01:51:41.199 --> 01:51:45.479
the belt, holds the belt,
hesitating ever so slightly. What's it back

1482
01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:51.479
in there? And then prompts it. Look at that Look at that face.

1483
01:51:51.560 --> 01:52:06.039
Look at that scowl. Oh he
looks fucking pissed about your family,

1484
01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:16.920
about your Piper type of memories.
Just don't matter. M comes a point.

1485
01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:30.800
Yes, down with me. Virgil
gets down to we need to retrieve

1486
01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:40.319
the belt. That's right, ABIASI
turns us back to Virgil. Older boom.

1487
01:52:42.640 --> 01:53:04.600
Listen to Piper. Listen to Piper. Look at his face, spits

1488
01:53:04.640 --> 01:53:20.720
on the title. I mean,
what a phenomenal piece of business. He's

1489
01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:25.319
not slapping hands, No, he's
not smiling. No, he's just walking

1490
01:53:25.359 --> 01:53:35.920
away. Oh my favorite fucking Hogan
promo. I mean to me, just

1491
01:53:36.079 --> 01:53:44.079
like, oh you know what,
brother boss, I mean, what the

1492
01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:49.880
fuck? How can something involving such
a marginal talent be so good. I

1493
01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:56.960
mean, that guy fucking nailed that
moment. He totally did. And he

1494
01:53:57.159 --> 01:54:00.680
just like you nailed it. He
didn't change the countenance. Yeah, And

1495
01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:02.159
that's what we want out of a
baby face. We don't want a guy

1496
01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:08.039
who transforms overnight to being a syrupy
good guy and he never was before.

1497
01:54:09.079 --> 01:54:11.720
We want the guy that we knew
as a heel, now fighting for good,

1498
01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:14.760
but not changing who he is.
Right, And I don't know,

1499
01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:17.359
I don't know where Virgil if even
knew he was doing it. But when

1500
01:54:17.439 --> 01:54:19.800
he made that face and they got
that tight shot of his head after he

1501
01:54:19.880 --> 01:54:23.800
dropped Debias with the belt. By
the way, that's the belt shot that

1502
01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:27.199
I'm pretty sure he said at your
bachelor party, DEBSI needed one hundred and

1503
01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:30.840
forty stitches to close. I believe
he said he needed them all around his

1504
01:54:30.920 --> 01:54:33.359
head. I saw no blood.
I saw no blood number one, number

1505
01:54:33.399 --> 01:54:35.159
two. I don't know why he
would need them on the back of his

1506
01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:39.439
back of his head, right,
that's probably what you say when you know

1507
01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:42.439
that if you watch the video,
you can't see any blood. But maybe

1508
01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:45.399
I can convince people it's lost in
the hair. I see. Yeah,

1509
01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:49.439
unbelievable moment, really just remarkable angle. It's one of the it's one of

1510
01:54:49.640 --> 01:54:59.079
it's just such a it is as
close to poignant as you can get in

1511
01:54:59.439 --> 01:55:03.800
for wrestling. Yes, all right, that's really that's really it like it

1512
01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:11.039
is. It's such a moment because
there's just so much story being told there,

1513
01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:15.159
years and years of this guy being
DBAs servant. I mean, I

1514
01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:19.000
don't know if it necessarily was a
as he says, a six year build

1515
01:55:19.279 --> 01:55:21.880
to this. I don't know if
that was the case. If they're like

1516
01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:26.279
now, there weren't really hints.
Yeah, you know, But I do

1517
01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:34.880
think that the history was important in
selling the moment because you wouldn't have had

1518
01:55:35.720 --> 01:55:41.840
if you hadn't seen the kind of
i mean, the abuse or kind of

1519
01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:47.680
him being this essential slave to Teddy
Biassi. It's all psychologically in your brain

1520
01:55:48.880 --> 01:55:55.880
during that moment. Absolutely, and
with Piper, we realize the importance and

1521
01:55:55.960 --> 01:56:00.319
the untapped potential of having a colored
guy with a rooting and in something other

1522
01:56:00.439 --> 01:56:03.760
than every other fucking match on the
show. Yes, you know. Now,

1523
01:56:03.840 --> 01:56:06.159
even if they have a color guy
in commentary, I think of like

1524
01:56:06.159 --> 01:56:10.439
a Pat McAfee. He's hyped for
the whole show because he's a cheerleader,

1525
01:56:10.479 --> 01:56:15.000
he's a fucking you know, he's
a guy that is being compensated for the

1526
01:56:15.079 --> 01:56:17.199
amount of reactions he can help bring
out of the crowd. It feels like

1527
01:56:18.079 --> 01:56:21.800
he's a pitch man piper while he
was animated the whole card and going nuts

1528
01:56:21.840 --> 01:56:27.640
the whole time and did a wonderful
job. He he saved his personal interest.

1529
01:56:27.760 --> 01:56:31.439
Not he was not analyzing this moment
with Virgil. They brilliantly injected him

1530
01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:34.119
that. It's always works in wrestling
when you get the commentary. Remember when

1531
01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:38.399
when Taz stood up for Jerry Lawler
one time, or Jim Ross whatever it

1532
01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:45.000
was on Monday Night Raw Lawler who
stood up for Lawler stood up for to

1533
01:56:45.520 --> 01:56:47.640
Jr. Against Taz because Taz was
in j R's face. Yes, another

1534
01:56:47.720 --> 01:56:51.840
example, it's like it's like the
announcers can do whatever they do. They

1535
01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:55.640
can you know, beat whatever drum
they do, they can have you know,

1536
01:56:55.680 --> 01:56:59.119
their cliches and everything. But there
when you decide to do an angle

1537
01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:01.359
where the announce sir, who's got
that unique connection because you can talk directly

1538
01:57:01.399 --> 01:57:03.760
to the audience and you don't see
him. So he's like the soundtrack over

1539
01:57:03.840 --> 01:57:08.359
what's happening? Yep. When you
can establish to the audience that this commentator

1540
01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:12.199
has this one soft spot for this
particular wrestler or for the is rooting for

1541
01:57:12.279 --> 01:57:15.159
this particular outcome, you have an
alchemy there. You have a moment that

1542
01:57:15.279 --> 01:57:21.119
you don't often get in wrestling,
where like you can accentuate the intensity of

1543
01:57:21.159 --> 01:57:25.720
it by adding the sound to it, not just the crowd reaction. It's

1544
01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:28.960
just like, just like Bobby Heenan
on the ninety two rumble call, I

1545
01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:31.520
was gonna say it. I mean, that's the greatest example of that is

1546
01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:36.960
that Bobby Heenan Rick Flair era,
you know where exactly on the heelside,

1547
01:57:38.720 --> 01:57:43.000
right where you got Heenan, who
is just completely in the corner of Rick

1548
01:57:43.039 --> 01:57:46.039
Flair no matter what. Yes,
he likes other heels but he is he

1549
01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:51.520
is personally and financially invested, is
hyperventilating if Flair almost gets eliminated, exactly

1550
01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:56.680
Where's that? What happened? What
happened to that element of wrestling, which

1551
01:57:56.720 --> 01:58:00.359
is like forty percent of what makes
something magical? I mean, when's the

1552
01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:04.720
last time anyone on a WW call
accentuated a moment like that? I mean,

1553
01:58:04.720 --> 01:58:10.439
I don't think anyone's ever been to
me that the most recent period of

1554
01:58:10.520 --> 01:58:15.039
something like that would have been the
would have been kind of that that the

1555
01:58:15.119 --> 01:58:20.479
Michael Cole shit, remember was like
was it was it? Daniel Bryan?

1556
01:58:20.840 --> 01:58:24.920
Yeah, the miss and stuff,
and they did a good job at wrestling

1557
01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:28.720
a thirty. But even then,
that's just a good articulate call, like

1558
01:58:28.840 --> 01:58:30.520
Jim Ross will do. I'm talking
about what he would get involved though,

1559
01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:35.359
he got involved with with a heel. Yeah, the heel, like you

1560
01:58:35.439 --> 01:58:38.319
know, to me, that's an
example of it. Yeah, sure,

1561
01:58:39.159 --> 01:58:43.520
like where he had a personal he
wanted him to lose. Yeah, that's

1562
01:58:43.520 --> 01:58:45.600
a good that's a good example.
Yes, But I can't think of any

1563
01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:49.439
other times, like ten years ago
now exactly exactly. That should be something

1564
01:58:49.520 --> 01:58:53.560
you do once a year, you
know, honestly, not too often,

1565
01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:56.399
but you pick it right, man, and you can make you can make

1566
01:58:56.479 --> 01:59:00.479
someone like Virgil be somebody that we're
talking about in twenty twenty four exactly.

1567
01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:04.039
So we're well on our way here
with baby Face Virgil. And you know,

1568
01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:06.239
there wasn't a lot of there there, so it didn't last too long.

1569
01:59:06.319 --> 01:59:11.239
But while it did last, it
was memorable and Roddy Piper was carrying

1570
01:59:11.319 --> 01:59:15.000
most of the freight on the interviews. Here's a segment where he just leans,

1571
01:59:15.079 --> 01:59:16.560
as Piper used to do, way
too often, leans way too much

1572
01:59:16.600 --> 01:59:20.000
into the racial side of it,
and like too many puns about the fact

1573
01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:24.800
that Virgil's black. But that was
WWF at the time, that was wrestling

1574
01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:27.800
at the time. There's probably society
at the time. Honestly. Yeah,

1575
01:59:27.840 --> 01:59:30.279
he is on a I think it's
wrestling challenge on stage with Virgil shortly after

1576
01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:34.520
this turn of events. Do we
have going on this week, mister Piper,

1577
01:59:35.079 --> 01:59:43.279
Well, this week we're gonna have
a little lesson and human rights.

1578
01:59:43.640 --> 01:59:47.159
We're gonna have human rights one on
one. You see, he didn't always

1579
01:59:47.159 --> 01:59:53.039
stand for Piper. Please start for
poverty, Please start for a lot of

1580
01:59:53.199 --> 02:00:00.239
different Princess. There's a difference between
being a friend and fool, and I

1581
02:00:00.439 --> 02:00:05.560
does hate a bully. Virgil want
you to check something out here. I

1582
02:00:05.680 --> 02:00:09.359
want you to take this cloth,
and I want you to say to me,

1583
02:00:10.119 --> 02:00:14.800
Roddy, my back's hurt. With
your mind friend, uh, shining

1584
02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:18.319
my boots for me, Prowdy,
my back's hurting. We please mind shining

1585
02:00:18.399 --> 02:00:23.880
my shoes for me and my pleasure, friend, stick that foot out out

1586
02:00:23.960 --> 02:00:28.039
there. Wait a minute, wait
for what's going on? Oh, honey,

1587
02:00:28.199 --> 02:00:30.439
I can make him shine. You're
looking at me? You look at

1588
02:00:30.439 --> 02:00:35.079
that boy? Yes, how's that
look? Looks good? Get it off

1589
02:00:35.119 --> 02:00:40.000
with kilt there? Hey, what's
the point. It's a pleasure, you

1590
02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:45.039
know why? Because I'm your friend. Let me give you out. Let

1591
02:00:45.079 --> 02:00:49.199
me give you another little uh blessing. Here. You take that cloth there

1592
02:00:49.279 --> 02:00:58.399
and you say to me, rdy, kiss my feet, rowdy, kiss

1593
02:00:58.880 --> 02:01:05.239
my feet. Stick it in your
nose, slip me, don't it kiss

1594
02:01:05.359 --> 02:01:13.600
like me? Just my food?
Then you know your nose slamming here?

1595
02:01:13.720 --> 02:01:16.600
Like, don't it kiss my had
you just suck? Stick it in your

1596
02:01:16.680 --> 02:01:21.720
nose. You'll try it. Brother, listen, step down there on my

1597
02:01:21.920 --> 02:01:32.479
boots. And why is that cow
of the bolts off my boots? I

1598
02:01:32.840 --> 02:01:38.279
said, get down? And why
the cow stop fall from me boots?

1599
02:01:39.359 --> 02:01:48.800
No? I said, get down? Whip the cow stuff off my boots?

1600
02:01:49.359 --> 02:01:55.479
No? Who know? O?
Whow Why don't you see your see

1601
02:01:55.520 --> 02:01:58.880
your black nags? Oh can't see
how white? Next? I don't see

1602
02:01:58.880 --> 02:02:02.960
a yellow next stuff? I see
kar man? Why are you? How

1603
02:02:02.960 --> 02:02:14.800
are you gonna like my No?
Let me again. I want you just

1604
02:02:14.920 --> 02:02:21.159
spell man. Such oh hey,
oh, I want you to look in

1605
02:02:21.239 --> 02:02:28.720
at camera. Come wrestle me.
You'll tell Fibasi Hi you spell man and

1606
02:02:28.880 --> 02:02:34.359
wrestle Dibia. Just spell man.
C I r K I l M.

1607
02:02:35.359 --> 02:02:45.800
Come. How do you feel?
I feel like a ray of heat.

1608
02:02:45.399 --> 02:02:57.399
I'm wrestling. Guess who's coming to
dinner. Guess he's coming to dinner?

1609
02:02:58.279 --> 02:03:06.680
All right, I guess it's a
deep a the sentiments. Okay, it's

1610
02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:11.840
it's just kind of like in your
face. That's Piper before you went.

1611
02:03:12.000 --> 02:03:14.600
I know, I know, I
mean, honestly, I'm surprised he didn't

1612
02:03:14.680 --> 02:03:21.000
like do what he did at WrestleMania
six and walk out with half half in

1613
02:03:21.119 --> 02:03:25.920
blackface. Yeah that's right. Yeah, this is not too long after he

1614
02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:30.720
did that. Yeah, but you
know that's the that's WrestleMania build. Actually

1615
02:03:30.760 --> 02:03:33.000
that isn't SummerSlam build, right,
And what did they do at WrestleMania.

1616
02:03:34.479 --> 02:03:41.000
They thought it was a one on
one match between Dbias and uh and Virgil.

1617
02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:46.159
Piper was out there with with Virgil, but he had the crutches.

1618
02:03:46.279 --> 02:03:49.359
Remember he had the crutches. He
had like a motorcycle accident or something,

1619
02:03:50.039 --> 02:03:57.039
and so eventually, Yeah, I
think I think DBS lost by count out,

1620
02:03:58.079 --> 02:04:02.560
so he didn't like it wasn't like
a satisfactory finish and uh and then

1621
02:04:04.239 --> 02:04:11.279
dB Ass kind of beat on on
on on Piper with the crutches, that's

1622
02:04:11.359 --> 02:04:17.680
right. And then Virgil saved him
and he said, do Roddy, do

1623
02:04:18.319 --> 02:04:27.479
what you told me? Get up, get up so good. And I

1624
02:04:27.560 --> 02:04:30.800
remember that because I probably told this
one before when I was a kid in

1625
02:04:30.840 --> 02:04:32.840
the rest May seven was obviously a
restlem e eight too, was just a

1626
02:04:32.960 --> 02:04:38.840
massive thing. And of course yeah
they're huge shows. I am right.

1627
02:04:38.920 --> 02:04:41.640
So Resum seven is the one that
he's cutting that promo for, right,

1628
02:04:42.600 --> 02:04:45.239
that's seven, yes, seven?
So that was my first one, really,

1629
02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:48.520
I tell some Slam ninety one pay
per view my first WrestleMania, and

1630
02:04:48.640 --> 02:04:53.039
so I always associated because of this
entrance you mentioned with Piper and the crutches,

1631
02:04:53.119 --> 02:04:57.159
Roddy Piper his ring walk being a
limp. Oh. Yeah, so

1632
02:04:57.239 --> 02:04:59.560
I try to you know, I
try to pantomime the wrestlers. Is the

1633
02:04:59.560 --> 02:05:01.199
way they came into the ring as
a kid, and when I would have

1634
02:05:01.359 --> 02:05:04.319
Piper's music in my head and I'd
be limping, you know, like like

1635
02:05:04.439 --> 02:05:06.520
that was his signature, but just
happened to be this one show. I

1636
02:05:06.640 --> 02:05:11.279
watched one show that's just it like
you know, like those that's the thing

1637
02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:15.079
is, you know, I I
it's like that that that's Saturdayn's main event

1638
02:05:15.119 --> 02:05:23.000
for ninety two. I always in
my mind, I have always attached commentators

1639
02:05:23.079 --> 02:05:28.319
saying, you know, doing the
uh what's his name, I can't think

1640
02:05:28.359 --> 02:05:30.479
of his name, the songwriter,
but he says, don't you don't you

1641
02:05:30.560 --> 02:05:34.840
don't tug on Superman's cape, you
don't spit in the wind. It's like,

1642
02:05:34.960 --> 02:05:39.279
no, it would happen one time. But I watched that show so

1643
02:05:39.399 --> 02:05:45.000
many times that it made me think
that everybody said that that's amazing, so

1644
02:05:45.159 --> 02:05:49.600
good. So part of what eventually
happens with a piper and in Virgil trying

1645
02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:58.079
to find stuff to say on promos
is a strange thing where they put Virgil

1646
02:05:58.119 --> 02:06:02.199
and drag. Have you ever seen
this Virgil? Yeah? No, there's

1647
02:06:02.960 --> 02:06:05.279
there's all of a sudden they're doing
like these pre tape proms, not in

1648
02:06:05.279 --> 02:06:06.840
front of the people, like the
thing we just heard, but you know,

1649
02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:14.680
against the green screen and because Scary
Sherry or Harry Sherry as Ruddy Piper

1650
02:06:14.960 --> 02:06:16.600
WrestleMania, by the way, that
that would be that'd be the time that

1651
02:06:16.840 --> 02:06:24.920
Sherry started working with Deeves. Absolutely
seven. It's because so much weird shit

1652
02:06:25.000 --> 02:06:29.239
happened again, Like you look at
the more than any other year. I

1653
02:06:29.319 --> 02:06:30.560
feel like you look at the beginning
of the year ninety one, you look

1654
02:06:30.560 --> 02:06:35.399
at the end of the year,
and the whole everything is different, so

1655
02:06:35.640 --> 02:06:41.840
eventful, so many sea changes,
and so now with Sherry aligned with Dbasi,

1656
02:06:41.920 --> 02:06:45.399
Piper feels like he needs to find
a woman to counteract Sherry, to

1657
02:06:45.479 --> 02:06:49.439
align him with. And so there's
a couple of interviews on syndicated television where

1658
02:06:49.800 --> 02:06:54.479
Piper brings in Virgilina who's Virgil and
drag dressed up. It looks like,

1659
02:06:54.479 --> 02:06:58.199
I don't know, almost like a
media looking woman, and like they stuffed

1660
02:06:58.239 --> 02:07:00.800
like fruit like melons, and his
fucking shirt and everything and gave him like

1661
02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:05.239
the big lipstick treatment and everything and
on the wig, and Virgil tries his

1662
02:07:05.359 --> 02:07:10.479
hand at showing some range. Of
course, now they're decidedly in the category

1663
02:07:10.520 --> 02:07:13.520
of trying to find ways to rib
Virgil on the square and make fun of

1664
02:07:13.600 --> 02:07:15.119
him. So the Bloom is a
bit off. The rose I think is

1665
02:07:15.159 --> 02:07:18.920
a reasonable read of this. But
here's here's a sample of Virgil going to

1666
02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:24.079
a place that many didn't expect him
to well for the first time. Dabie

1667
02:07:24.159 --> 02:07:28.239
Asi, you and I got something
in common. Both got something on our

1668
02:07:28.319 --> 02:07:31.199
corner the shade let me die y
So anyway, so no offense to miss

1669
02:07:31.920 --> 02:07:38.039
Virgilina, my gal, that's not
you know, Virgelina was gonna be on

1670
02:07:38.159 --> 02:07:43.359
the Olympic team except for that small
chromosome rule. They ba bah, I

1671
02:07:43.600 --> 02:07:47.560
need someone that takes care of Harry
sharing. This is the doll for it.

1672
02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:51.640
What's that BBC? You call me
a liar, you say, and

1673
02:07:51.760 --> 02:07:57.319
this is Virgil. This ain't Virgilina. Who do you think you are?

1674
02:07:57.680 --> 02:08:01.560
You can't hunt? But alire,
mister DMI. I'll my brother right out

1675
02:08:01.600 --> 02:08:11.760
here right now, I say words
lead be aufy. You're looking at that

1676
02:08:11.399 --> 02:08:20.279
trouble good stuff. I mean,
yeah, good, that's a great So

1677
02:08:20.399 --> 02:08:24.039
that's it. That's it, Verge, you're looking at trouble. You're looking

1678
02:08:24.079 --> 02:08:30.680
at trouble. So yeah, they
did like them. Yeah the piper split

1679
02:08:30.720 --> 02:08:33.680
screen effect from that Colisseum video.
So you've got Virgil and Drag on the

1680
02:08:33.720 --> 02:08:37.359
left side of the screen. You've
got Virgil as we know him on the

1681
02:08:37.439 --> 02:08:43.560
right side and having some fun I
guess on the square with Virgil. So

1682
02:08:43.680 --> 02:08:46.439
that was a that's a little footnote
there in his story in the WWF Gone,

1683
02:08:46.840 --> 02:08:50.640
but yeah, the precursor there ninety
one we mentioned the Rumble, we

1684
02:08:50.920 --> 02:08:54.640
mentioned WrestleMania, and all leads to
Summer Slam. And this is a special

1685
02:08:54.680 --> 02:08:58.840
event for a lot of reasons,
not the least of which is it was

1686
02:08:58.880 --> 02:09:01.800
our very first episode of the Lapsed
Fan Ever. Absolutely, and how fitting

1687
02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:05.520
upon TLFX that the gods see to
it that we have reason to revisit that

1688
02:09:05.560 --> 02:09:11.199
first episode, right yeah, and
probably one of the more important moments of

1689
02:09:11.239 --> 02:09:15.439
that too. Oh absolutely. One
of the reasons that we felt this was

1690
02:09:15.479 --> 02:09:18.399
a great show to start with because
there was just so much that was already

1691
02:09:18.399 --> 02:09:22.199
in our memory banks both about it. This is the show that we really

1692
02:09:22.319 --> 02:09:24.199
got the bond going over, you
know, like this whole er. It's

1693
02:09:24.199 --> 02:09:26.960
like, oh my god, you
remember this, you remember this detail.

1694
02:09:26.039 --> 02:09:28.960
I watched it one hundred times.
You remember he said this? No,

1695
02:09:28.119 --> 02:09:31.239
he did I remember this? Yes? I remember? Yeah. I felt

1696
02:09:31.239 --> 02:09:33.600
that way too. Did you ever
hum the theme songs? Oh my god,

1697
02:09:35.399 --> 02:09:39.039
did your toys ever go over.
Oh my god. So this is

1698
02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:41.159
ultimate, So pull up Slams ninety
one if you could, yep, and

1699
02:09:41.279 --> 02:09:46.119
for those loading up Peacock as am
I. We're going to start at fifty

1700
02:09:46.119 --> 02:09:50.680
four oh three. It's just as
Randy Savage is finishing a phone call backstage

1701
02:09:50.840 --> 02:09:56.439
related to his upcoming nuptials, which
is also very uh a huge interesting with

1702
02:09:56.800 --> 02:10:01.439
you know, virtuals association with your
nuptials. Boss, that's the very that's

1703
02:10:01.479 --> 02:10:05.600
a very good point, very interesting
going on there. So if you're ready,

1704
02:10:05.640 --> 02:10:09.600
I'm ready. I'm ready. Three
two one played Dbias. We are

1705
02:10:09.720 --> 02:10:13.439
just moments away from the match for
the million dollar belts. Yeah, right

1706
02:10:13.520 --> 02:10:18.239
now, I can't help but recall
some of the humiliating services you forced your

1707
02:10:18.239 --> 02:10:22.159
former bodyguard Virgil to perform. For
example, you had him clean the fungus

1708
02:10:22.239 --> 02:10:26.800
from between your clothes, a shell
the toe fungus, so you made him

1709
02:10:26.800 --> 02:10:31.119
remove the dirt from your boots,
not to mention the constant verbal abuse the

1710
02:10:31.199 --> 02:10:46.000
former bodyguard had to endure. Yeah, such a good recap package. I

1711
02:10:46.520 --> 02:10:52.079
sat a million times, everybody.
That's a price for a million dollar man.

1712
02:10:54.439 --> 02:10:56.840
You see that look, that look
of humiliation on Virgil's face, Well,

1713
02:10:56.880 --> 02:11:01.520
that look is my note com person
to the humiliation that you're gonna suffer

1714
02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:05.119
tonight, Virgil, in just a
few minutes, at the hands of a

1715
02:11:05.159 --> 02:11:09.000
million dollar man, you come to
face the master, to challenge the master

1716
02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:11.680
in my city, New York City, for my million dollar bill. Well,

1717
02:11:11.720 --> 02:11:16.399
you better go and cancel all those
plans of celebration that you have.

1718
02:11:16.840 --> 02:11:18.720
And you remember the gutter that I
told you I was going to leave you

1719
02:11:18.880 --> 02:11:22.880
laying in face down where you're in
a city full of gutters. So take

1720
02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:26.119
your pick, Virgil. But just
to show you that I am not a

1721
02:11:26.239 --> 02:11:33.159
totally insensitive man, I have left
you token Sherry. Here it is Virgil.

1722
02:11:33.439 --> 02:11:39.840
You're crying top. I mean,
he's also one of those guys the

1723
02:11:39.920 --> 02:11:45.399
ring back to you, Gorilla,
he's stealer, one of those guys that

1724
02:11:45.479 --> 02:11:50.720
what don't know if he's gonna job. Yeah, you know, because he's

1725
02:11:50.800 --> 02:11:54.600
so crafty, and so many times
you think it's gonna be over, you

1726
02:11:54.640 --> 02:11:58.560
think it's gonna be a clean thing, and it's not. Oh my god,

1727
02:11:58.640 --> 02:12:03.560
she looks like she just sucked down
some coum What an outfit on,

1728
02:12:03.800 --> 02:12:07.880
Sherry. She knew how to dress
for big shows. Oh, she's so

1729
02:12:07.039 --> 02:12:13.319
fucking awesome, absolutely tremendous the Garden. I mean this is just some red

1730
02:12:13.359 --> 02:12:24.319
hot summer I'm here for Garden summer
slams. Yes, please playing. How

1731
02:12:24.359 --> 02:12:28.039
many there have been? How many? I mean, I'm with eighty eight,

1732
02:12:28.039 --> 02:12:33.720
I'm with ninety one, I'm with
ninety eight. Yeah, that's all

1733
02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:39.359
you need. It is so good. I mean, also, how about

1734
02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:41.000
just Garden pay per views? They
don't fucking do that anymore. I know,

1735
02:12:41.760 --> 02:12:46.600
it's gotta be fucking only uh,
you know, it's got to be

1736
02:12:46.640 --> 02:12:50.920
a sixty thousand seat stadium in a
second tier city, right house shows and

1737
02:12:52.279 --> 02:12:56.279
occasional TVs for Madison Square Garden.
Here he comes the biggest entrance of his

1738
02:12:56.439 --> 02:13:26.399
life. M h hell freaking high
five with Piper, who's ringside, don't

1739
02:13:26.439 --> 02:13:31.319
get him the Yangs dbios off the
Ropes and goes to town with the right

1740
02:13:31.399 --> 02:13:37.119
hands for this whip to the corner. Deeps takes the buckle high back body

1741
02:13:37.239 --> 02:13:50.199
drop Virgil's Cooking Gray six day over
the top. Rop goes tob As trying

1742
02:13:50.239 --> 02:14:01.760
to think of the last time we
saw dB As lose lose, like get

1743
02:14:01.800 --> 02:14:07.119
a pinfall loss on a pay per
view. Right before this, I couldn't

1744
02:14:07.159 --> 02:14:09.239
tell you. I'm gonna say it
must have been. Did he even get

1745
02:14:09.319 --> 02:14:13.720
pinned in at Starvesers eighty eight?
I don't know what it happened, or

1746
02:14:13.800 --> 02:14:16.880
eighty nine, I don't know,
but like it's it's not a common thing.

1747
02:14:18.560 --> 02:14:20.439
No, No, you know,
he'd have one on one matches,

1748
02:14:20.479 --> 02:14:24.359
but it would always end like in
a dq ORR or or you know,

1749
02:14:24.600 --> 02:14:28.279
get they get close to beating him, but they wouldn't go quite the distance.

1750
02:14:28.439 --> 02:14:31.319
That's a great point. That's part
of also part of what makes it

1751
02:14:31.439 --> 02:14:35.359
so awesome. Mm hmm. And
I remember so much from this match,

1752
02:14:35.479 --> 02:14:37.880
Virgil, and I'm sure he's doing
it not so much on purpose. And

1753
02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:41.520
now we're back in he's doing the
fancy footwork, the flip flopping, fly

1754
02:14:41.720 --> 02:14:45.920
jabs, sting like a bee,
just feeling like as much as he was

1755
02:14:45.960 --> 02:14:48.319
showing in the match big right hand, it just felt like he was still

1756
02:14:48.399 --> 02:14:52.920
like lunging around like someone who wasn't
quite a trained pro wrestler. Yes,

1757
02:14:52.439 --> 02:14:56.680
and that was probably just as amateurnists, but it actually worked for the scenario.

1758
02:14:56.800 --> 02:15:00.680
It did. It absolutely did because
it added a scrap be factor to

1759
02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:05.359
him totally like a guy who like
even if Dbasi was going to totally out

1760
02:15:05.359 --> 02:15:09.600
wrestle him. Yeah, could still
dig down and throw a curveball at Dbasi

1761
02:15:09.680 --> 02:15:13.199
that he would never see coming.
Just like Orthodox street style, it was

1762
02:15:13.239 --> 02:15:22.039
more about instinct and it was about
right and about heart'll be heaning over just

1763
02:15:22.119 --> 02:15:24.479
coming down. I guess from showing
Hogan the belt, was that what it

1764
02:15:24.640 --> 02:15:33.720
was? I think? So,
yeah, I'll tell you something. You

1765
02:15:33.840 --> 02:15:41.119
look good, door. I remember
this. Oh Virgil yanked off the apron,

1766
02:15:41.279 --> 02:15:46.319
goes splat on the outside, those
beautiful screaming at deeds to go get

1767
02:15:46.399 --> 02:15:52.039
him. Look at her the Dominatrix
so good. And this is coming off

1768
02:15:52.239 --> 02:15:56.680
berating Randy Savage at Wrestling India that
year. Yeah, and I was just

1769
02:15:56.720 --> 02:16:01.520
begging that. I was just begging
him, clear my meal ticket, please

1770
02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:07.520
win this match. There're those beautiful
blue floor mats. Man. I love

1771
02:16:07.600 --> 02:16:09.119
the idea of that. Yes,
I love the idea that in wrestling,

1772
02:16:09.359 --> 02:16:13.279
like, yes, there's your meal
ticket, but like what if you lose

1773
02:16:13.359 --> 02:16:16.920
is what happens? He doesn't pay
you anymore? Right, well, it

1774
02:16:16.039 --> 02:16:20.520
makes half the money, I guess, Virgil chance here at the Garden.

1775
02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:26.319
That million dollar belt is a non
sanctioned match, non sanctioned title makes sense.

1776
02:16:26.600 --> 02:16:31.640
It's sanctioned by international monetary authorities.
Yes, maybe it's it's sanctioned by

1777
02:16:31.680 --> 02:16:35.479
Wall Street. So like the way
Virgil just took the post there, it's

1778
02:16:35.479 --> 02:16:39.920
so like it's like so like almost
unathletic, Like he's just like a guy

1779
02:16:39.000 --> 02:16:43.319
that is getting beat up in a
street fight. You know. Yep,

1780
02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:52.159
oh, Virgil, head first,
thanks, Gorilla said, headfirst, into

1781
02:16:52.159 --> 02:16:54.479
the steps, goes Virgil and then
does a bit of a flare flop on

1782
02:16:54.520 --> 02:16:56.639
the ringside match DBAs keeping the pressure
on now with a knife, etch chop

1783
02:17:00.520 --> 02:17:01.879
debrus. This big guy man,
he's big next to virtual. We saw

1784
02:17:01.879 --> 02:17:05.120
a Virgil stacked up next to Hogan. You couldn't really see that, Like

1785
02:17:05.239 --> 02:17:11.879
he's like, James is such a
big guy. Did you never He's never

1786
02:17:11.159 --> 02:17:15.000
been so muscular, so you don't
really think of him as being right.

1787
02:17:16.079 --> 02:17:18.559
And they're rinning, barking away picking
up Virgil. Now, hook of the

1788
02:17:18.600 --> 02:17:24.159
whip. Virgil takes a big clothes
line, and this is where you start

1789
02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:26.879
to feel I remember feeling like,
oh Jesus, what did Virgil get himself

1790
02:17:26.920 --> 02:17:30.440
into? You know, yep,
here we go again. This is where

1791
02:17:30.479 --> 02:17:33.440
he's teaching the lessons understood why he
did what he did. But did you

1792
02:17:33.520 --> 02:17:37.479
have to step in and try to
wrestle this veteran, you know, right

1793
02:17:37.280 --> 02:17:48.440
to take the fist drop, take
some time and train and a million of

1794
02:17:48.479 --> 02:17:50.879
course job. Jake Roberts had the
million dollar belt too, didn't he?

1795
02:17:52.440 --> 02:17:54.760
No? Never, he never won
it. I think he wrestled for I

1796
02:17:54.799 --> 02:17:58.639
think I think they think wrestling six
he wrestled for it. I'd be wrong,

1797
02:17:58.719 --> 02:18:01.280
but he never actually had it.
I believe this is the only time

1798
02:18:01.319 --> 02:18:05.399
it ever changed hands. Pretty sure
that's the case, even after the first

1799
02:18:05.440 --> 02:18:09.079
time, and then the second time, you know, DBSi got it back,

1800
02:18:09.120 --> 02:18:13.680
and then he got rid of it
right. Doublas lands there off the

1801
02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:16.000
ropes for a DBAs Virgil taking the
head over heels bump. That's of course

1802
02:18:16.920 --> 02:18:20.200
probably planting the seed for when Dbasi
tries it again and takes the right to

1803
02:18:20.280 --> 02:18:24.200
the gut he does the front flop. Mm hm, take it the leg

1804
02:18:24.239 --> 02:18:28.879
by DIBIASI gets too those. I
guess you could say that like Tedbasi Junior

1805
02:18:28.959 --> 02:18:31.760
had the million dollar title well after
I mean, I'm talking about this initial

1806
02:18:31.840 --> 02:18:37.920
run about that he he kind of
like his ring master had it right,

1807
02:18:39.399 --> 02:18:43.600
but like this, after he wins
it back from Virgil thanks to the help

1808
02:18:43.639 --> 02:18:58.000
from Repoman, he represents the belt
for it that the bad cop gets to.

1809
02:18:58.799 --> 02:19:01.399
That was that that the you get
rid of it after that, and

1810
02:19:01.479 --> 02:19:05.239
I'm just gone, we're gonna use
it again. Bring the rest of his

1811
02:19:05.520 --> 02:19:09.399
uh his in ring career? What
have you been holding? I've been holding

1812
02:19:11.600 --> 02:19:15.399
back up dubes with the WHI where
the ducks this clothes line and grabs a

1813
02:19:15.440 --> 02:19:30.639
million dollar drain. It goes Piper. God, I just got so excited

1814
02:19:30.680 --> 02:19:35.399
for Piper's call of the finish yep, yep, I get to share.

1815
02:19:35.440 --> 02:19:50.680
It's part of the biggest like in
a way it would have been about that.

1816
02:19:52.120 --> 02:20:01.200
It's a good it's a good piece
of c Cherry jumps in the ring

1817
02:20:01.280 --> 02:20:03.399
and hits Stebia up Virgil, who
had a million dollar dream on with her

1818
02:20:03.479 --> 02:20:11.000
purse earl have her calling for the
bell pitchinglayers. The reoferee has every right

1819
02:20:11.120 --> 02:20:18.319
to disqualify the million dollar man.
Yes for outside in aparent okay, give

1820
02:20:18.399 --> 02:20:24.000
the bill herd. The have rendered
an official decision and it is as follows.

1821
02:20:24.680 --> 02:20:31.879
Number one, he is honorary that
the sensational cherry returned to her pressing

1822
02:20:31.040 --> 02:20:39.479
room. No, thanks, can't
come to what's the money else? He

1823
02:20:39.639 --> 02:20:46.399
car she's got n's the manager sad
he didn't you too. The referee has

1824
02:20:46.559 --> 02:20:54.799
further rule that the match between the
million dollar man and Virgil, who continue

1825
02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:01.879
so fit. That's so good.
Look at him, look at him.

1826
02:21:03.760 --> 02:21:05.399
We're an a galley out here trying
to escort share to the back. Tony

1827
02:21:05.440 --> 02:21:26.000
gia as well. I love what
Piper's going. No, no, when

1828
02:21:26.000 --> 02:21:28.879
they announce a DQ and he didn't
goes it's okay. You can keep the

1829
02:21:28.959 --> 02:21:33.920
belt like he's saying, no because
DIBIASI got DQ, not because Virgil doesn't

1830
02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:37.120
get his chance. Oh look at
this slow recovery both their feet. Great

1831
02:21:37.200 --> 02:21:46.239
spot here, yep, no pride, you're going to You're going to recret

1832
02:21:46.280 --> 02:21:52.360
into the corner. But no he
puts. Virgil blocks elbow and deburs takes

1833
02:21:52.399 --> 02:21:58.079
it. Come on, Roddy,
look at look at look at it here

1834
02:21:58.120 --> 02:22:01.239
we are here, we are head
first the look at debs oh ver over

1835
02:22:01.280 --> 02:22:15.360
again, look at deeps and blareflop
right hand blocked. Virgil throwing the boxing

1836
02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:22.360
punches in the corner. Shouldn't get
another chance to win a million dollar nice

1837
02:22:22.440 --> 02:22:28.479
chopped by verg not bad corner the
corner whip buckle taken by Deebers. Corner

1838
02:22:28.520 --> 02:22:35.000
mount by Virgil at the garden,
crowd behind them, three four, five,

1839
02:22:35.440 --> 02:22:41.559
six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, eleven.

1840
02:22:41.520 --> 02:22:45.920
It's a trivia question. How many
corner punches did Virgil hit? Teddy Biassi

1841
02:22:46.000 --> 02:22:54.200
with it the ninety one summers,
Yes, Roddy, yes, Oh the

1842
02:22:54.319 --> 02:23:01.639
first whip Virgil crushes the ref in
the corner the corners to take his time.

1843
02:23:01.719 --> 02:23:07.639
Now he reth bump, you know, when he gets actually squashed in

1844
02:23:07.719 --> 02:23:11.760
the corner like that. I could
understand maybe hurting if it's if it's done,

1845
02:23:11.840 --> 02:23:13.920
you know, if you hit the
right the wrong way. Yeah,

1846
02:23:15.799 --> 02:23:18.120
not like you know, an elbow
to the face, like that's not gonna

1847
02:23:18.159 --> 02:23:26.680
knock you out. And he's still
gonna be done, Yes, Piper,

1848
02:23:28.200 --> 02:23:35.000
debi As barking at Piper at ringside
on the cans. Oh, Jesus,

1849
02:23:35.079 --> 02:23:41.280
here we go. Debiasse hooks him
out. Watch this suit, thus,

1850
02:23:41.399 --> 02:23:50.840
watch this ship. Jesus fucking christ
Man. It's just he's getting his windows,

1851
02:23:52.360 --> 02:23:58.360
amigos. Another one, Yeah,
he's counting down. Here's another on

1852
02:23:58.600 --> 02:24:03.840
order. Look at look at that
execution like the floating over everything. Just

1853
02:24:05.239 --> 02:24:22.079
it's brilliant, so simple. It
goes Piper like, yeah, they're suplex

1854
02:24:22.879 --> 02:24:39.920
don't talk to Elizabeth. A live
crowd is sensing Piper going nuts. They're

1855
02:24:41.000 --> 02:24:48.719
chanting for him. Pile Driver just
a gorn dwarf plants him cover. Ref's

1856
02:24:48.760 --> 02:24:58.719
not quite there yet. God,
remember having a pit in your stomach as

1857
02:24:58.760 --> 02:25:05.000
a kid for finishes like this,
kick cut me, kick kep the dB

1858
02:25:05.159 --> 02:25:15.000
as one more. He sells Piper, Oh, here we go, Here

1859
02:25:15.040 --> 02:25:24.879
we go, untying the buckle,
exposing the metal, exposing the steel in

1860
02:25:26.040 --> 02:25:35.120
the corner, obviously with attention to
m talking trash of Virgil's face, holding

1861
02:25:35.200 --> 02:25:43.280
him by the neck. So good. Now he's gonna send Virgil into the

1862
02:25:43.360 --> 02:25:54.879
steel Virgil twice. Steber saks the
bomb, Heavener recovering. Come on,

1863
02:25:54.360 --> 02:26:03.719
come on, there's Now's the time, Virgil, now's the time to suck

1864
02:26:03.799 --> 02:26:15.120
it up. It's on the verge. It's the tribute casts. It's gonna

1865
02:26:15.159 --> 02:26:26.079
crawl, crawl. What's what's heaven
you're at? Now? Have us track.

1866
02:26:26.840 --> 02:26:35.879
I'm nervous, I'm nervous, crawling
out for his Virgil drapes the arm

1867
02:26:35.959 --> 02:27:01.920
on gabers one two bray fucking Christ
Piper. Ah, he bumps, take

1868
02:27:01.959 --> 02:27:09.479
a front flip here here what a
waste of money? This is his moment

1869
02:27:09.600 --> 02:27:13.760
right here, King King King,
Kinky King King, Can I can gain

1870
02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:24.000
King King King King King can get
Piper? What was? Do we know

1871
02:27:24.159 --> 02:27:28.799
what their relationship was? Not?
Really? I mean he very complimentary towards

1872
02:27:28.840 --> 02:27:33.559
Piper and interviews, but no,
no, more pronounced than anybody else,

1873
02:27:33.680 --> 02:27:58.639
you know, definite Virgil with a
million dollar title and and Jesus, it's

1874
02:27:58.680 --> 02:28:01.559
all here as he walks up the
aisle. Oh so good. That's the

1875
02:28:01.600 --> 02:28:03.440
same way he was holding the belt
when he came to a certain bachelor party,

1876
02:28:03.520 --> 02:28:07.440
wasn't it? Yep? Yes it
was, and that's why he carried

1877
02:28:07.479 --> 02:28:09.520
that around as a prop his whole
life. Yeah, because of that match.

1878
02:28:11.040 --> 02:28:16.360
Yep. Unbelievable. It really.
It's a testament to Piper's ability,

1879
02:28:16.799 --> 02:28:24.239
like his performance ability on verbally that
he if they didn't have that close of

1880
02:28:24.239 --> 02:28:30.559
a friendship or it wasn't that remarkable
as it seems on television, that he

1881
02:28:30.639 --> 02:28:35.920
was able to get that across is
incredible. Totally agree they were. You'd

1882
02:28:35.959 --> 02:28:41.079
think they were the absolute best friends
of all time based on what they on

1883
02:28:41.200 --> 02:28:48.760
the way that that their their connection
in these moments. Here in this podcast,

1884
02:28:48.840 --> 02:28:54.680
everybody has a pod. Teddy Biassi
comments on this piece of business and

1885
02:28:54.879 --> 02:29:00.719
just the feud overall with Virgil in
ninety one. But you know, we

1886
02:29:00.879 --> 02:29:07.440
continue to be friends and I would
see him at h That's not the clip

1887
02:29:07.479 --> 02:29:09.280
I was looking for him to see
if I have it here, Yeah,

1888
02:29:09.280 --> 02:29:16.399
here it is. Uh. We
met when uh in the WWE office when

1889
02:29:16.479 --> 02:29:20.440
this whole thing with the billion dollar
man started. And you know, back

1890
02:29:20.479 --> 02:29:22.440
then, my cat, I mean, oh my gosh. You know,

1891
02:29:22.520 --> 02:29:28.280
he had this tremendous body and kept
himself in shape, and basically that's that

1892
02:29:28.440 --> 02:29:31.040
was his role. You know,
he was like the bodyguard. You know.

1893
02:29:31.280 --> 02:29:35.440
You know I would run my mouth
and if somebody wanted to say something,

1894
02:29:35.479 --> 02:29:41.719
I'd I back up and say Virgil
take over. But uh, what

1895
02:29:41.879 --> 02:29:48.280
we did we did a thing where
basically, as Virgil, Mike gets tired

1896
02:29:48.319 --> 02:29:52.360
of all of my crap right and
just says, I'm not doing it anymore.

1897
02:29:54.200 --> 02:29:58.680
And and so we we ended up
having a one off when and had

1898
02:29:58.719 --> 02:30:05.280
a match and dog going to you
know, Mike was a great guy,

1899
02:30:05.520 --> 02:30:09.319
nice guy, and like I said, to keep your body in that kind

1900
02:30:09.360 --> 02:30:13.799
of shape takes a lot of discipline, and he was very good at that.

1901
02:30:13.879 --> 02:30:16.559
He was he was much better at
doing that than I obviously was in

1902
02:30:16.719 --> 02:30:22.600
terms of state keeping his body in
great shape. But it was, you

1903
02:30:22.680 --> 02:30:26.879
know, I just wish that he
had had more wrestling savvy. I don't

1904
02:30:26.920 --> 02:30:30.120
know how to put it in any
other way, because if he if he

1905
02:30:30.239 --> 02:30:33.520
could have really wrestled, we could
have had we could have had a good

1906
02:30:33.600 --> 02:30:39.920
run. But basically it was it
was on and it was over, you

1907
02:30:39.000 --> 02:30:43.920
know, pretty quick. Good old
Virgil. Uh, he didn't have the

1908
02:30:45.000 --> 02:30:52.600
charisma, you know, and so
you know it was probably over before it

1909
02:30:52.639 --> 02:30:56.799
really started. Surprised to hear Debasi
talk about it that way or is it

1910
02:30:56.840 --> 02:31:00.920
sound like a fair assessment to you? No, I think it's a fair

1911
02:31:00.959 --> 02:31:03.399
assessment of him. You know,
he doesn't he doesn't have it. You

1912
02:31:03.520 --> 02:31:07.440
know, he got by on what
he had. It's miraculous that they pulled

1913
02:31:07.479 --> 02:31:11.079
off moments like that. Really,
yes, it is. It absolutely is.

1914
02:31:11.280 --> 02:31:13.920
It's a testament to how like false
it is when they talk about like

1915
02:31:16.200 --> 02:31:20.040
like these intangibles that they pretend are
in the wrestler's control to get a push

1916
02:31:20.200 --> 02:31:22.719
you know. It's like they prove
all the time that they can take people

1917
02:31:22.719 --> 02:31:28.600
without a great range of talent and
make them absolutely memorable wrestlers, just like

1918
02:31:28.680 --> 02:31:33.719
here with Virgil right right CBS.
He said in his book Virtual wasn't the

1919
02:31:33.760 --> 02:31:35.520
best worker in the business when we
started our program. I had to be

1920
02:31:35.559 --> 02:31:39.360
at my best for us to have
a match at Wrestling seven in nineteen ninety

1921
02:31:39.399 --> 02:31:41.399
one and work at the highest level
was truly a testament to Virgil's desire to

1922
02:31:41.520 --> 02:31:46.120
listen and let me lead. He
was very coachable and ended up wrestling a

1923
02:31:46.159 --> 02:31:48.079
lot of good matches. The match
of success had a lot to do with

1924
02:31:48.120 --> 02:31:50.799
the presence of Roddy Piper. In
the end, even though my new valet

1925
02:31:50.840 --> 02:31:52.440
sensational show he was in my corner, I lost to Virgil. I was

1926
02:31:52.479 --> 02:31:56.079
counted out after attacking Roddy Piper outside
the ring. The storyline Crown Virgil is

1927
02:31:56.120 --> 02:31:58.360
a new million dollar champion. He's
just totally all over the place, he

1928
02:32:00.200 --> 02:32:03.559
says. The getting hit with the
over the head with the belt by Virgil

1929
02:32:03.600 --> 02:32:07.000
on the big baby face turn was
it SummerSlam instead of Royal Rumble for instance?

1930
02:32:07.040 --> 02:32:11.799
And all that I pisces me off
so much time not hard to get

1931
02:32:11.879 --> 02:32:18.120
right. Cannot I cannot stand it
when when that's oh god, it's so

1932
02:32:18.200 --> 02:32:22.280
annoying. If you don't know if
you're going to get those kind of details

1933
02:32:22.319 --> 02:32:24.639
wrong, don't say the name of
the show, like no one the reader

1934
02:32:24.719 --> 02:32:28.159
doesn't care. But like just stop
purposely to get it wrong like that is,

1935
02:32:28.879 --> 02:32:33.520
but it's like one search away.
Virgil contributes this quote at this point

1936
02:32:33.559 --> 02:32:35.360
in the book. I learned the
psychology aspect of the wrestling business from ted.

1937
02:32:35.600 --> 02:32:37.719
In fact, there is no better
teacher than ted when it comes to

1938
02:32:37.760 --> 02:32:41.520
the psychoology of the business. Overall
wrestling ability and speaking skills, he is

1939
02:32:41.600 --> 02:32:46.120
the best. Working with Ted was
unbelievable. There is no better field general

1940
02:32:46.159 --> 02:32:48.719
than Teddy. He was one of
the best wrestlers ever in the business.

1941
02:32:48.799 --> 02:32:52.280
He's in a class by himself.
Given the Piper, it interfered to my

1942
02:32:52.360 --> 02:32:58.120
matches against Virgil, we started a
program, TBIs writes, and he goes

1943
02:32:58.159 --> 02:33:03.959
on into everything that happened with Rowdy
Roddy Piper. So there it is.

1944
02:33:03.040 --> 02:33:07.200
Boss. Virgil is now a made
man, at least in our minds and

1945
02:33:07.280 --> 02:33:09.479
our memories for sure. And he's
going to get a chance to try to

1946
02:33:09.559 --> 02:33:15.959
rise to the occasion and do some
promos that you know, make you want

1947
02:33:16.000 --> 02:33:20.040
to see him defend the million dollar
title or at least continue to excel as

1948
02:33:20.079 --> 02:33:22.600
a as an individual. Let's get
a taste of some of the promos on

1949
02:33:22.760 --> 02:33:28.079
WAF television. After this historic win
for Virgil and the singles ranks, Virgil

1950
02:33:28.159 --> 02:33:31.719
is the new million dollar champion and
he wants to share the belts with everyone.

1951
02:33:33.479 --> 02:33:37.479
Bboss. I look on my million
dollar belt and I can see fingerprints

1952
02:33:37.559 --> 02:33:43.760
from garbage men, fingerprints from a
piete the carriers, fingerprints from auto workers,

1953
02:33:45.040 --> 02:33:50.879
fingerprints from secretaries, and all kind
of little fingerprints from little small kids,

1954
02:33:50.079 --> 02:33:54.719
like what you should eat your heart
out? I know you want to

1955
02:33:54.799 --> 02:33:58.559
come get it now? What's holding
your back? I could come anywhere,

1956
02:33:58.000 --> 02:34:01.840
any place, call the place,
man, and I'll be here to defend

1957
02:34:03.000 --> 02:34:07.760
this because I have all the good
people behind me. Man, the wan

1958
02:34:07.879 --> 02:34:11.799
to rub on this belt. It's
my belt and it's all the people's belt.

1959
02:34:11.120 --> 02:34:15.440
So you wanted to be your belt, come on down and get it,

1960
02:34:15.920 --> 02:34:20.479
because I'm not born nowhere. The
former bodyguard has made it very clear

1961
02:34:20.559 --> 02:34:24.920
that Tendbiyashi has an open invitation to
attempt to get the diamonds in gold back.

1962
02:34:24.719 --> 02:34:28.360
Hey, Dbosi, open your eyes
and smell the coffee. Man,

1963
02:34:28.120 --> 02:34:33.239
this is mine. Now you lost
it and I want it. That's right.

1964
02:34:33.399 --> 02:34:35.559
You always talk about gonna send the
limo, Burgel, almost send the

1965
02:34:35.600 --> 02:34:37.840
limo to you and bring you the
Madison Square garden. Guess what, man,

1966
02:34:39.200 --> 02:34:41.159
I ran your Madison Square garden.
Man. Yeah, I ran in

1967
02:34:41.200 --> 02:34:45.680
the garden, up the steps,
in the locker room. I was ready,

1968
02:34:45.760 --> 02:34:46.879
home boy. I went write to
the ring and dip my thing.

1969
02:34:48.120 --> 02:34:50.840
I left the champion, all right, and now I'm a defendant. Kill

1970
02:34:50.920 --> 02:34:56.280
me, man. And when you
consider difficult encounters, no one has faced

1971
02:34:56.319 --> 02:35:01.280
a tougher challenge than Virgil. The
former bodyguard took on an individual who many

1972
02:35:01.319 --> 02:35:05.319
consider to be the most skilled in
the ring and walked away a millionaire.

1973
02:35:05.840 --> 02:35:11.239
A Dbios, look at this.
You're looking at the million dollar champ.

1974
02:35:11.159 --> 02:35:15.959
And guess what I'm looking at,
Ted DEBIOSI I'm looking at you the million

1975
02:35:16.040 --> 02:35:20.000
dollar jump. Okay, you should
go by the words, man, of

1976
02:35:20.040 --> 02:35:22.559
words of wisdom, a fool and
of money soues the parts. You know

1977
02:35:22.559 --> 02:35:26.399
what I'm talking about. You had
one million dollars you put on the line

1978
02:35:26.440 --> 02:35:28.639
against a hard working man, a
man who works hard for his money.

1979
02:35:28.719 --> 02:35:33.840
Man, I came and got it. I came and got the job done.

1980
02:35:33.959 --> 02:35:35.120
Ted, you didn't have a deep
in heart right here. Brother.

1981
02:35:35.319 --> 02:35:39.040
You might be a great technician,
homeboy, but I'm a sure enough fighter.

1982
02:35:39.239 --> 02:35:43.479
I'm just like all these good American
out here, working eight to five

1983
02:35:43.719 --> 02:35:46.840
every day. And you talk about
man, you put a million dollars on

1984
02:35:46.920 --> 02:35:50.559
the line. I went and gut
it, and now it's gonna be bankruptcy.

1985
02:35:50.559 --> 02:35:54.159
Well, Virgil is certainly living a
dream after capturing the million dollar belt.

1986
02:35:54.239 --> 02:35:58.600
The former buddy Guard proved that if
you work hard enough, anything is

1987
02:35:58.680 --> 02:36:07.200
possible. Quite a slate, Oh, verge, verge, she needs a

1988
02:36:07.399 --> 02:36:13.559
promo class with the miz an Any
postgame on his verbal attempts there not good,

1989
02:36:16.120 --> 02:36:20.200
not good. It's bankruptcy. Yeah. They're making him deliver these lines

1990
02:36:20.239 --> 02:36:26.520
that are like, after the million
dollar Champion, you're gonna go bankrupt,

1991
02:36:26.879 --> 02:36:33.000
my homie, My boy, what
homeboy? Yeah, my homeboy. I

1992
02:36:33.079 --> 02:36:35.799
went in the ring, I got
the million dollar bell, is my belt,

1993
02:36:37.200 --> 02:36:43.079
you'll go bankrupt. There's flashes of
something there. He gets that little

1994
02:36:43.159 --> 02:36:46.120
jive going it's good, but no, no, listen again, I think

1995
02:36:46.159 --> 02:36:50.000
there's I just feel like it seems
like nobody took the time with him to

1996
02:36:50.120 --> 02:36:52.559
actually, yeah, hone his skills. They just kind of threw him into

1997
02:36:52.600 --> 02:36:58.760
the into the lions. Then after
being over because he was silent for four

1998
02:36:58.879 --> 02:37:01.440
years, five years or whatever it
was, then all of a sudden,

1999
02:37:01.440 --> 02:37:03.079
we're gonna put the mic in front
of him and ask him to be a

2000
02:37:03.079 --> 02:37:07.280
totally different character and hopefully delivers on
the mic. And you know, that's

2001
02:37:07.319 --> 02:37:11.200
the wrestling business. You either sink
or swim in that situation. So while

2002
02:37:11.239 --> 02:37:16.159
I made that proviso about how they
know damn well how to get a mediocre

2003
02:37:16.159 --> 02:37:18.520
wrestler over as a world beater or
some of the fans can latch onto like

2004
02:37:18.600 --> 02:37:22.319
we just saw at Summer Slam nineteen
ninety one, the fact of the matter

2005
02:37:22.479 --> 02:37:26.360
is once the carpet is laid out
for them to start cutting promos and establish

2006
02:37:26.360 --> 02:37:31.440
a connection with the audience, that
isn't so easy for them to dictate and

2007
02:37:31.479 --> 02:37:37.879
manipulate. We rather have that or
you don't. So that's Virgil and his

2008
02:37:37.000 --> 02:37:43.040
bid to kind of extend his moment
in the spotlight that started in Earnest in

2009
02:37:43.120 --> 02:37:48.000
nineteen ninety one in a particular Summer
Slam, and by the time nineteen ninety

2010
02:37:48.360 --> 02:37:50.840
two rolls around, there's a lot
of changes of foot in the WWF.

2011
02:37:52.440 --> 02:37:54.559
Virgil still with the company, but
of course Hogan leaves, Warrior gets fired.

2012
02:37:54.639 --> 02:38:01.520
Brett Hart has made WWF Champion out
of absolutely nowhere, absolutely in nowhere

2013
02:38:01.799 --> 02:38:05.920
in the fall of nineteen and ninety
two, and it led to a unique

2014
02:38:05.680 --> 02:38:13.040
opportunity for Virgil because suddenly he's one
of the last connections to the Golden era

2015
02:38:13.120 --> 02:38:16.200
we've spent so much time talking about. Yes, I mean, of course

2016
02:38:16.239 --> 02:38:18.520
Brett was there, Sean was there. A lot of the cast of characters

2017
02:38:18.600 --> 02:38:22.520
were there, but they weren't They
weren't featured as top baby faces. They

2018
02:38:22.559 --> 02:38:26.479
were more tag team associated, they
were more chasing ic title level. And

2019
02:38:26.600 --> 02:38:30.200
not to say Virgil was a main
eventor but he was a guy that you

2020
02:38:30.360 --> 02:38:33.479
associated more with the prior era than
the next generation. Who was still around,

2021
02:38:33.559 --> 02:38:37.639
who wasn't right, who wasn't cast
asunder and the scandals and the whiff

2022
02:38:37.719 --> 02:38:41.200
of you know, government crackdown on
steroid use and all the other things that

2023
02:38:41.319 --> 02:38:45.799
led to so many Davy boys,
Smith getting fired, sid disappearing. So

2024
02:38:45.920 --> 02:38:50.639
many of these guys just completely disappearing
in nineteen ninety two, and of course

2025
02:38:50.719 --> 02:38:52.280
the reshuffling of what the top of
the card looked like, so that Brett

2026
02:38:52.319 --> 02:38:54.760
and Sean are given the ball by
the end of nineteen ninety two, when

2027
02:38:54.799 --> 02:38:58.280
they would have never been considered main
eventors just a year before this, the

2028
02:38:58.360 --> 02:39:01.520
year we just looked get in nineteen
ninety one. Of course, nineteen ninety

2029
02:39:01.559 --> 02:39:05.719
one was the year that George z
Horion went away, and the ripple effects

2030
02:39:05.760 --> 02:39:09.479
from that were very clear. By
the summer of ninety two, the the

2031
02:39:09.520 --> 02:39:11.760
subpoenas, the Grand Jury subpoenas are
arriving at Titan Towers, and it's clear

2032
02:39:11.799 --> 02:39:18.000
that Feds are after Vince. So
it's it's time to kfabe the U,

2033
02:39:18.600 --> 02:39:22.399
the ster rid, the steridzoids as
it were. So, but Virgil still

2034
02:39:22.440 --> 02:39:26.520
there and Brett is trying to get
a solid foot forward as this new fighting

2035
02:39:26.760 --> 02:39:33.040
WWF champion, right, that's the
yep, that was the the fightingest champion

2036
02:39:33.719 --> 02:39:39.600
of all time was his kind of
gimmick, that's the play. And so

2037
02:39:39.040 --> 02:39:43.360
as a team, Brett and Virgil
actually headline a couple of house shows.

2038
02:39:43.920 --> 02:39:46.719
Sure wow, yeah, Sure.
After Brett becomes champion, Tim and Virgil

2039
02:39:46.719 --> 02:39:52.040
I think against Flair and I'm not
sure who else who else it was,

2040
02:39:52.200 --> 02:40:00.559
but Virgil actually had a sudden,
you know, brief but noticeable association with

2041
02:40:03.760 --> 02:40:05.000
with Brett Hart. But before we
do that, let's get it. Let's

2042
02:40:05.040 --> 02:40:09.159
get a flavor of a Virgil.
We heard him after winning the belt.

2043
02:40:09.200 --> 02:40:13.319
This is him before winning the million
dollar title. A million dollar belt is

2044
02:40:13.360 --> 02:40:18.040
gonna be on the line, as
million dollar man Ted DBIUSSI means his former

2045
02:40:18.120 --> 02:40:22.360
bodyguard Virgie. I'm gonna catch the
train down to Madison Square Garden by at

2046
02:40:22.440 --> 02:40:26.120
SummerSlam when I beat you, man, I'm gonna tip you're a limo drivers,

2047
02:40:26.200 --> 02:40:30.159
so nicely. He gonna take me
down and ride me down the Broadway

2048
02:40:30.360 --> 02:40:37.040
and you and Surrey, he's gonna
be catching you can the kind of thing

2049
02:40:37.079 --> 02:40:43.000
I mean, like, the sentiment
is there, it's just the delivery is

2050
02:40:43.399 --> 02:40:52.479
the delivery is not even close.
We'll get to that one in a moment.

2051
02:40:52.600 --> 02:40:58.479
But first again, the team promo
from Virgil and Brett BB and our

2052
02:40:58.680 --> 02:41:03.840
TV and I rs it wasn't flairing
somebody else, Okay, Debios and ours

2053
02:41:05.200 --> 02:41:09.520
this Friday night, Nasau Coliseum,
We're gonna make a small withdrawal from your

2054
02:41:09.600 --> 02:41:13.360
bank account. Debiosity, We're small
change came to help you. I'm talking

2055
02:41:13.360 --> 02:41:16.159
about Irwin. I sush the massy
Virgin, easy, get a grip,

2056
02:41:16.440 --> 02:41:24.399
save your strength for Nasau Coliseum because
this Friday night, me and Virgil are

2057
02:41:24.440 --> 02:41:28.000
gonna put a serious hurrying on you. You're both gonna pay a terrible,

2058
02:41:28.360 --> 02:41:33.399
terrible price when you step in the
ring. And it's plain and simple.

2059
02:41:33.639 --> 02:41:39.319
A case of black and white and
we're gonna make a serious, serious dent

2060
02:41:39.719 --> 02:41:43.280
in your bank account, right,
Virgin and debios you can take that.

2061
02:41:43.479 --> 02:41:50.280
Then a case of black and white. There it is again. Of course,

2062
02:41:50.360 --> 02:41:56.440
it's very simple. So and this
is probably a career highlight for Virgil.

2063
02:41:56.159 --> 02:42:00.840
He ends up again due to all
the changes WWF and is situation where

2064
02:42:01.159 --> 02:42:03.559
it makes sense to put him in
the ring with Brett because Brett's going to

2065
02:42:03.639 --> 02:42:07.920
be the fighting champion. He's got
Papa Shango on one of the last Saturday

2066
02:42:07.000 --> 02:42:09.840
Night's main events, if not the
last one, wasn't I that of that

2067
02:42:11.000 --> 02:42:18.799
era of the that run Yeah until
twenty six to six seven. There's another

2068
02:42:18.879 --> 02:42:22.319
lynchpin of the era we've been talking
about falling by the wayside there on Saturday

2069
02:42:22.399 --> 02:42:24.280
night's main event. And what do
you know, come a November, late

2070
02:42:24.360 --> 02:42:30.040
November, right before Thanksgiving episode of
WWF Superstars in nineteen ninety two, Virgil

2071
02:42:30.479 --> 02:42:35.360
this was I believe they actually I
believe if I'm not mistaken, this happened

2072
02:42:35.760 --> 02:42:39.719
the week the week before, Yeah, the Saturday. This aired the Saturday

2073
02:42:39.760 --> 02:42:45.680
before Survivor series. And they even
talk about it on service series how because

2074
02:42:45.799 --> 02:42:50.760
they celebrate how Brett Hard has been
this this fighting champion. Absolutely, they

2075
02:42:50.799 --> 02:42:54.239
even say most recently, he faced
Virgil, He faced Virgil, he faced

2076
02:42:54.239 --> 02:42:58.479
Shiango, he faced Berserker. He
was, you know, ticking off these

2077
02:42:58.559 --> 02:43:01.639
lower names, these lower cards names
to establish himself as a champ that would

2078
02:43:01.719 --> 02:43:07.079
give anybody a shot, right,
and Virgil was among them. And uh,

2079
02:43:07.719 --> 02:43:09.719
we're going to watch the match.
It wasn't a classic, but by

2080
02:43:09.840 --> 02:43:13.520
Virgil standards, it was probably one
of the best matches he ever had in

2081
02:43:13.559 --> 02:43:16.639
his life, which, of course
is bretttheart's specialty. Yep. And here's

2082
02:43:16.639 --> 02:43:22.040
a glimpse of how they built it
up on television. Great preful man,

2083
02:43:22.200 --> 02:43:28.440
Hard Rainy sum it up. Your
champion pulls off a gold Holy not,

2084
02:43:28.680 --> 02:43:33.799
bro, this guy's gonna be champions
for a long long time in my book.

2085
02:43:35.440 --> 02:43:39.280
After that superb victory, Brett Hart
will again put the title on the

2086
02:43:39.360 --> 02:43:45.600
line. Tonight, on Saturday Night's
main event, Brett takes on the Mammoth

2087
02:43:45.719 --> 02:43:50.239
Master Voodoo Papa Shango. Now shouldn't
he be successful? Then next week on

2088
02:43:50.479 --> 02:43:56.879
ww F Superstars, the Fighting Champion
again defends the gold, this time against

2089
02:43:56.920 --> 02:44:01.719
the adventurous but persistent Virgil. Now
let us hid it from the champion.

2090
02:44:03.840 --> 02:44:07.360
You know, when I became the
World Wrestling Federation Champion, I picked up

2091
02:44:07.600 --> 02:44:11.559
all Rick Flair's previous obligations. I'm
not gonna hide behind this title. And

2092
02:44:11.760 --> 02:44:16.799
next week it's Virgil. Virgil,
you got yourself a title shot. But

2093
02:44:16.000 --> 02:44:18.920
keep one thing in mind, Virgil, when you step in the ring with

2094
02:44:20.040 --> 02:44:24.920
me, you're stepping in the ring
with the excellence of execution. Brett Hart,

2095
02:44:26.040 --> 02:44:28.920
it's the honor to meet you here
next week for the World Wrestling Federation

2096
02:44:28.079 --> 02:44:33.760
Championship. Brett, I have a
lot of respect for you, but I

2097
02:44:33.920 --> 02:44:50.040
want that belt as bad as you
want to do godful. Is that jazzy

2098
02:44:50.159 --> 02:44:54.799
music beautiful or what? So?
There it is one last bid to get

2099
02:44:54.799 --> 02:44:58.399
the fans to believe in Virgil with
a title on the line. This time

2100
02:44:58.479 --> 02:45:01.479
the big goal, the WWF Championship. It's the November twenty first, nineteen

2101
02:45:01.559 --> 02:45:03.840
ninety two edition of ww F Superstars. It's a short match, but it's

2102
02:45:03.879 --> 02:45:07.959
a meaningful one for one Virgil or
subject dus. You're here, boss,

2103
02:45:09.159 --> 02:45:11.520
what do you say? We take
a look, Let's do it. Queue

2104
02:45:11.520 --> 02:45:13.360
it up. It's right off the
top. It's the first match of the

2105
02:45:13.399 --> 02:45:16.079
broadcast. Wow. So if you
find video of this show, it's literally

2106
02:45:16.159 --> 02:45:20.879
at the very beginning. And here
we go. When you're ready, I'm

2107
02:45:20.920 --> 02:45:58.360
ready, three two one play.
Here it comes Virgil now in the the

2108
02:45:58.479 --> 02:46:03.479
red and white striped pants. It
I thought it was it is it bread

2109
02:46:03.479 --> 02:46:07.760
today? It is a black it's
red today. Okay, because he has

2110
02:46:07.840 --> 02:46:11.799
black and white as well. Combs
Brett with this with the strap. It's

2111
02:46:11.799 --> 02:46:20.920
a new world. It's a new
world. Change the game. Here a

2112
02:46:20.000 --> 02:46:28.360
purposeful walk, the sunglasses, yep, Vincent to overdrive, trying to make

2113
02:46:28.399 --> 02:46:35.399
it seem like it seemed like it
matters that he's champion. Exactly. Let's

2114
02:46:35.399 --> 02:46:39.159
see what Brett Hart. Of course, it was famous for making guys that

2115
02:46:39.280 --> 02:46:43.840
really didn't know their way around the
ring looked like they were ready for the

2116
02:46:43.879 --> 02:46:46.840
main events. Tom McGee comes to
mind. Oh, see what we could

2117
02:46:46.840 --> 02:46:52.600
do here with Virgil. Have you
never seen this one before? I mean

2118
02:46:52.639 --> 02:46:58.440
I saw it nineteen two. Wow, I don't Virgil with a good humor

2119
02:46:58.479 --> 02:47:01.159
man outfit. This is the Virgil
that did the honors for sid right here?

2120
02:47:01.200 --> 02:47:07.200
This is the Virgil hit and I'm
ready for resuming head is Brett puts

2121
02:47:07.200 --> 02:47:11.799
a pair of shades on a ringsider. Oh yeah, it's like, give

2122
02:47:11.840 --> 02:47:20.200
it to me, Brett. There
comes Brett. Let's see what Virgil can

2123
02:47:20.239 --> 02:47:24.639
do here with him. And look
at this handshake. Look at that.

2124
02:47:24.239 --> 02:47:28.639
Wow, that's a really convoluted handshake. And I wonder if that was like

2125
02:47:28.719 --> 02:47:35.559
a if that was something of significance
to bretton verge and they circle, collar

2126
02:47:35.600 --> 02:47:39.559
and elbow. Virgil the waistlock,
takeover, hey hat and I learned to

2127
02:47:39.559 --> 02:47:43.319
wrestle. Looks like he hit the
the collegiate mats since we last saw him.

2128
02:47:46.000 --> 02:47:48.079
Look at that Brett wearing a look
of surprised in his face. That

2129
02:47:48.120 --> 02:47:50.879
did he just take me down?
Yeah? I just had to worry about

2130
02:47:52.000 --> 02:47:56.280
jabs. Oh look at that Virgil
offering a high five and Brett Hart obliging

2131
02:47:56.840 --> 02:48:00.840
a new kind of champion here is
Brett? Yeah, yes, very much

2132
02:48:00.920 --> 02:48:07.559
so. Toleray aldon a headlock takeover
swiftly done by Virgil, an athletic champion,

2133
02:48:07.959 --> 02:48:11.760
right, a guy who doesn't need
to dominate a match to stay champion.

2134
02:48:13.280 --> 02:48:16.360
Right back up in the side headlock. Brett looks to push Virgil off,

2135
02:48:16.399 --> 02:48:20.959
but he keeps that lock on.
Sure, sure does. I hadn't

2136
02:48:20.000 --> 02:48:24.159
really seen Virgil work at headlock series, not at all. I mean,

2137
02:48:24.200 --> 02:48:28.159
I've also never seen him do a
waistlock takedown that got push off. Over

2138
02:48:28.200 --> 02:48:31.399
the top goes Virgil and from the
other endo across body takes down the hitman,

2139
02:48:31.440 --> 02:48:35.920
hooks the legg's due and had luck
takeover. Look at that Jesus Christ.

2140
02:48:35.000 --> 02:48:41.040
Fucking Brett hard given Virgils so much
offense already is Jesus Christ? Head

2141
02:48:41.079 --> 02:48:45.319
luck takeover? Milk it a bit? And then an explosion of activity,

2142
02:48:45.360 --> 02:48:48.760
dingden didn'dn't another headlock takeover? Yeah? The bread the nice head scissors,

2143
02:48:48.840 --> 02:48:54.760
Nope, r us out Nope.
Now brett'son control. Head luck takeover of

2144
02:48:54.840 --> 02:49:00.120
his own from the champ. Michael
himself talking a lot about Sean Michaels to

2145
02:49:00.159 --> 02:49:05.239
be challenging Brett the Survivor series coming
up. Virgil also had an intercontinental title

2146
02:49:05.280 --> 02:49:13.079
match against DeShawn Michaels on syndicated television. He yep, have nice things to

2147
02:49:13.120 --> 02:49:15.360
say about the click. Didn't have
any problems with any of those guys.

2148
02:49:15.399 --> 02:49:18.920
Of course, you never you never
want to talk bat them even today,

2149
02:49:18.920 --> 02:49:20.719
because I never do it again.
At that time, a push off from

2150
02:49:20.719 --> 02:49:24.239
the headlock and Brett answers with a
clothesline. Vigil and see that coming.

2151
02:49:24.719 --> 02:49:30.360
Yep, Brett outwit wits him.
There drops a foot between the legs and

2152
02:49:30.440 --> 02:49:35.079
a big elbow drop by the head
Van Who's now in control. So clean

2153
02:49:35.200 --> 02:49:39.879
to be able to watch this assistant, Oh, I know their expectations were

2154
02:49:39.920 --> 02:49:43.479
so low in a brilliant way.
Everything was like he swelled like a treat

2155
02:49:43.520 --> 02:49:48.639
to see the champion in action.
Body slam from Brett hart On, Virgil

2156
02:49:48.639 --> 02:49:50.959
takes him to the corner, now
working him over. Nice euro a peanutper

2157
02:49:52.000 --> 02:49:56.920
cut there could sell job by verge. Yeah, it's think he's going to

2158
02:49:56.000 --> 02:50:03.920
jump out of his boots to sell
that uppercut. Three three times, Alfonso

2159
02:50:03.000 --> 02:50:09.120
the referee presided forearm up class Yeah, oh, kept up in the corner.

2160
02:50:09.159 --> 02:50:11.399
Brett goes underneath and Virgil starts driving
shoulders into the stomach of the hitman

2161
02:50:11.440 --> 02:50:15.680
in the corner, traps him,
and the crowd's cheering. They are He's

2162
02:50:15.680 --> 02:50:18.959
coming alive. Whip corner to corner. Brett hits the buckle up Virgil monkey

2163
02:50:18.040 --> 02:50:22.000
flip out of the corner. What
wow, he fucking get airtimes Brett.

2164
02:50:22.120 --> 02:50:26.479
Hitman rides, hooking the leg by. Virgil gets two. What if they

2165
02:50:26.559 --> 02:50:31.040
decided to pull the trigger? Oh
my god, let's give him something to

2166
02:50:31.040 --> 02:50:33.239
talk about. Let's send him home
happy. Back up, whip is reversed

2167
02:50:33.239 --> 02:50:37.319
by the hipman. Virgil the middle
rope in one motion flies with a cross

2168
02:50:37.399 --> 02:50:41.840
body, but Brett, too smart, drops down. Virgil sails over his

2169
02:50:41.920 --> 02:50:43.000
head and look at that, Yo, he's going in for the kill.

2170
02:50:43.120 --> 02:50:48.239
He fell into the trap. Yep, got a little too exuberant. Basic

2171
02:50:48.440 --> 02:50:54.079
simple gave Virgil some shine without taking
any damage himself. Yep. Hit man

2172
02:50:54.159 --> 02:51:01.360
locks out the sharpshooter. Virgil trapped
and he if it's a bit and he

2173
02:51:01.440 --> 02:51:05.280
concedes. Yep. Raf calls for
the bell. Brett retains. Virgil gets

2174
02:51:05.319 --> 02:51:07.639
his moment for the WWF Championship.
I mean, how many times had he

2175
02:51:07.680 --> 02:51:13.479
wrestled for the world title. That
was it, right, And if there

2176
02:51:13.559 --> 02:51:16.040
wasn't that turn of events where Brett
suddenly was champ, it would have been

2177
02:51:16.120 --> 02:51:22.520
zero. Right. They get Brett
hovering over Virgil checking out, I'm seeing

2178
02:51:22.520 --> 02:51:31.079
if he's okay, right, good
ship, pal. Things they are changing

2179
02:51:31.120 --> 02:51:33.760
in the World Wrestling Federation, and
that golden moment, that golden eras is

2180
02:51:33.879 --> 02:51:37.840
fading here. But for Virgil,
it's one midbring embrace with the champion of

2181
02:51:37.879 --> 02:51:45.440
the WWF raising up Brett Hart's hand
and for even if for just a minute

2182
02:51:45.520 --> 02:51:48.440
or two, feeling like he belongs
yep. At this part of the card,

2183
02:51:52.000 --> 02:51:54.959
Red Heart takes the middle world,
hoisting the winged Eagle belt that we've

2184
02:51:54.959 --> 02:52:01.000
missed so dearly. It's a beautiful
sight, special bullet, and that was

2185
02:52:01.079 --> 02:52:05.559
that for Virgil's brush with WWF championship
glory. It's a match. I'd imagine

2186
02:52:05.600 --> 02:52:09.079
that that meant a lot to him, and I'm sure it meant a lot

2187
02:52:09.120 --> 02:52:13.399
to Brett, because he was somebody
who took credit in elevating somebody that you

2188
02:52:13.440 --> 02:52:16.000
know, people didn't necessarily see is
as worthy, in making them appear to

2189
02:52:16.040 --> 02:52:20.959
be so it's it would be wonderful
if we could get Brett's thoughts, you

2190
02:52:20.040 --> 02:52:26.280
know, on Virgil, particularly upon
his passing, and well we did.

2191
02:52:28.319 --> 02:52:30.600
Hey, this is Brett the hte
Man Heart and I'm reaching out to my

2192
02:52:30.920 --> 02:52:33.479
longtime fan. This is going out
to JP, and I want to ask

2193
02:52:33.520 --> 02:52:37.319
your questions about Virgil. I just
want you to know Virgil was always a

2194
02:52:37.360 --> 02:52:41.840
good guy. And you know,
I think everybody loved Virgil for just being

2195
02:52:41.879 --> 02:52:45.079
a guy that was always in a
good mood, always just so happy and

2196
02:52:45.159 --> 02:52:48.559
so friendly and so easy going.
I never knew the guy to ever have

2197
02:52:48.639 --> 02:52:50.799
any problems with anybody. He was
just such a great guy. And all

2198
02:52:50.840 --> 02:52:54.559
I remember about it mostly was just
having a big smile on his face all

2199
02:52:54.600 --> 02:52:56.799
the time. He loved to laugh. He's loved to laugh at himself.

2200
02:52:56.959 --> 02:53:01.040
He was a very funny guy.
And and he just, you know,

2201
02:53:01.200 --> 02:53:05.479
everyone that knew him just he just
kind of float around and kind of put

2202
02:53:05.520 --> 02:53:07.360
a smile on your face all day
long. He was. He was very

2203
02:53:07.399 --> 02:53:11.879
easy going, and that's what I
think what stood out about him the most.

2204
02:53:11.000 --> 02:53:13.959
You know, I think when you
talk about that match that we had,

2205
02:53:15.440 --> 02:53:18.840
I know he was a really big
fan of mine in real life.

2206
02:53:18.920 --> 02:53:20.719
The way I wrestled and stuff.
He'd always come back after my matches and

2207
02:53:20.840 --> 02:53:24.680
talk to me about my matches and
how good they were and stuff like that.

2208
02:53:24.280 --> 02:53:26.959
And then for him, when he
finally was going to work with me,

2209
02:53:28.120 --> 02:53:33.959
he got really nervous and quite worried
about not having a good match and

2210
02:53:35.040 --> 02:53:37.879
having everyone go. Everyone has a
great match with Brett Hard. Nobody ever

2211
02:53:37.959 --> 02:53:41.120
has a bad match with him,
and he didn't want to be the first

2212
02:53:41.200 --> 02:53:45.760
guy to have a bad match with
me. And I know that sounds kind

2213
02:53:45.760 --> 02:53:48.760
of funny, but it's true and
it was really important to him. And

2214
02:53:48.840 --> 02:53:52.239
I remember telling him it' it just
relaxed, We'll have a good match,

2215
02:53:52.319 --> 02:53:54.959
and that whole match. I think
the whole thing about that handshake, which

2216
02:53:56.040 --> 02:53:58.600
is really funny because that's a handshake
that it is my real handshake, but

2217
02:53:58.760 --> 02:54:03.280
he handshake that goes back to a
friend of mine in elementary school, and

2218
02:54:03.520 --> 02:54:07.879
so him and I had that for
years. And I remember Virgil asked me

2219
02:54:07.200 --> 02:54:09.719
to figure out a handshake with him, and I said, I showed him

2220
02:54:09.719 --> 02:54:13.280
the one I had, and it
always was a laugh to me because he's

2221
02:54:13.280 --> 02:54:16.920
the only one that knows it other
than my friend. But that's the Brett

2222
02:54:16.959 --> 02:54:20.680
Hart handshake. And it was always
really special him that nobody else knew what

2223
02:54:20.760 --> 02:54:26.639
except for him and maybe my brother. Oh maybe not even more than that,

2224
02:54:26.799 --> 02:54:30.079
but anyway, So that was why
it was really important for me to

2225
02:54:30.120 --> 02:54:33.000
give Virgil that match, and I
believe I did. He was really happy

2226
02:54:33.079 --> 02:54:35.799
with that match. He had the
biggest smile on his face and he loved

2227
02:54:35.799 --> 02:54:41.399
it. And when I heard about
Virgil's passing, I saw that match and

2228
02:54:41.639 --> 02:54:45.360
I saw the handshake, and I
just remember how special that was for him

2229
02:54:45.479 --> 02:54:48.600
and for me, And I always
appreciate Virgil for being a good friend.

2230
02:54:50.360 --> 02:54:54.840
So those are my good memories about
him. I don't have much else to

2231
02:54:54.920 --> 02:54:58.040
tell you about him other than he
was a great guy and everyone will miss

2232
02:54:58.120 --> 02:55:01.159
him anyway. Take care of JP, stay cool, stay safe, keep

2233
02:55:01.239 --> 02:55:07.520
on rocking, and God bless.
Just great stuff there. I didn't tell

2234
02:55:07.600 --> 02:55:09.799
him I was rocking to begin with. Well, I think he just assumed

2235
02:55:09.840 --> 02:55:13.520
you were, just you know,
you know, it's just these little things

2236
02:55:13.559 --> 02:55:16.520
that no one would ever ask him
about. Oh yeah, yep. That

2237
02:55:16.639 --> 02:55:20.120
handshake story is great because it stands
out of the match, like what was

2238
02:55:20.200 --> 02:55:24.639
that. It's a very elaborate handshake, and I'd love so, I guess

2239
02:55:24.719 --> 02:55:30.079
Virgil. I guess he didn't know
about the heroin. Yeah, yeah,

2240
02:55:30.120 --> 02:55:33.719
he didn't bring that up. If
he knew about it, he certainly buried

2241
02:55:33.760 --> 02:55:39.760
the lead, that's for sure.
Good guy, you know. And a

2242
02:55:39.879 --> 02:55:45.920
handshake was a friend of mine,
you know, in elementary school. You

2243
02:55:46.040 --> 02:55:52.360
know, I do remember that,
Virgil. He he gave me a couple

2244
02:55:52.399 --> 02:55:58.840
of bricks a heroin one time,
and it was really nice. And I

2245
02:55:58.280 --> 02:56:07.639
and I shot up with Davy.
Oh Jesus heroin, it's the hit Man.

2246
02:56:11.120 --> 02:56:16.280
Yeah, well, I appreciate the
compliment, Davy. No one's ever

2247
02:56:16.440 --> 02:56:22.120
quite put it that way before.
What But yeah, it's cool. Thanks

2248
02:56:22.159 --> 02:56:26.760
to Brett for that. That that's
really uh, you know, it's hard

2249
02:56:26.799 --> 02:56:30.719
to find stuff to sink your teeth
into on a virtual tribute, you know.

2250
02:56:31.559 --> 02:56:33.280
Yeah. In terms of like things
people have said about him, it's

2251
02:56:33.760 --> 02:56:39.520
it's always very generic things that they
say. Yes, but a match there

2252
02:56:39.639 --> 02:56:43.360
that no one ever talks about,
no one knows about or thinks about,

2253
02:56:43.399 --> 02:56:48.200
I should say, and the significance
of it when Brett still recalls to this

2254
02:56:48.280 --> 02:56:50.079
day. So that's what one thing
that Brett's always good for. Yes,

2255
02:56:50.239 --> 02:56:54.600
if there's any scintilla of story behind
a match, no matter how big or

2256
02:56:54.639 --> 02:56:58.840
small, he's probably going to remember
it and faithfully relate it. And I

2257
02:56:58.959 --> 02:57:01.879
kind of like the thought of Joel
as a guy who you know, was

2258
02:57:01.959 --> 02:57:05.840
told all along he didn't quite have
it and going out there and trying his

2259
02:57:05.959 --> 02:57:09.399
goddamnedest to have a match, you
know, up to snuff. Yeah,

2260
02:57:09.440 --> 02:57:11.959
and like going out there with with
the fucking guy, you know, the

2261
02:57:13.079 --> 02:57:18.000
guy, and uh and and Tryina's
Tryina's damnedest. And part of, you

2262
02:57:18.079 --> 02:57:22.639
know, the affinity for Virgil that
fans of this vintage had was the way

2263
02:57:22.680 --> 02:57:26.760
he was covered, as we've referenced
already in the pages of w WF magazine.

2264
02:57:26.799 --> 02:57:30.760
Isn't that right? Boss? That
is absolutely correct. You have a

2265
02:57:30.840 --> 02:57:33.120
couple of readings for us to put
us right back where we need to be,

2266
02:57:33.280 --> 02:57:37.959
the stew that we need to simmer
in here when we think about Virgil.

2267
02:57:37.280 --> 02:57:39.559
It's actually neat too, you know, because the one we were looking

2268
02:57:39.600 --> 02:57:46.600
for, the one we found,
actually leads into the beauty the great one,

2269
02:57:46.799 --> 02:57:50.239
Oh wow, the one the uh, the magazine, the faux magazine

2270
02:57:50.319 --> 02:57:54.840
cover. So where are we going
to start? This is June ninety three,

2271
02:57:54.319 --> 02:58:00.120
This is the June nineteen ninety three
issue of w magazine, and there

2272
02:58:00.280 --> 02:58:09.159
was an article about I mean,
talk about laps aerendipity, food unbelievable.

2273
02:58:09.360 --> 02:58:13.440
It's about food, and it's about
how to basically eat healthy if you're a

2274
02:58:13.559 --> 02:58:18.319
w superstar. And so I'm going
to read to you food for thought.

2275
02:58:20.200 --> 02:58:26.600
You are what you eat. The
dining hall. This this talks about a

2276
02:58:26.719 --> 02:58:31.799
number of wrestlers. Basically they're eating
habits and their health habits. And Virgil

2277
02:58:31.840 --> 02:58:35.120
makes and appearance. The dining hall
in the Augusta Civic Center and Augusta,

2278
02:58:35.159 --> 02:58:39.920
Georgia was almost deserted. Tables were
littered with napkins and empty plates. Most

2279
02:58:39.959 --> 02:58:43.959
of the wrestlers had finished eating.
It was several hours before an event was

2280
02:58:45.040 --> 02:58:52.079
to be televised on the World Wrestling
Entertainment Network. Excuse me, I don't

2281
02:58:52.120 --> 02:58:54.399
know what they're talking about. I
mean, they used to call their collection

2282
02:58:54.520 --> 02:59:01.799
of syndicated stations the network. Is
ridiculous. A worrying sound emanated from one

2283
02:59:01.920 --> 02:59:07.440
corner of the hall. So imagine
going into this giant hall completely empty,

2284
02:59:07.680 --> 02:59:16.319
Yes, trash littered everywhere, and
all of a sudden, they're sitting at

2285
02:59:16.360 --> 02:59:24.520
a table. Former World Wrestling Entertainment
Champion Bob Eckland was putting a bunch of

2286
02:59:24.680 --> 02:59:30.440
carrots into a juice process before he
went nuts. Yes, this is right

2287
02:59:30.520 --> 02:59:35.000
after his comeback. He put a
handful of carrots into the machine and gave

2288
02:59:35.079 --> 02:59:43.000
it and gave it the gas.
Oh my God, help us. So

2289
02:59:43.120 --> 02:59:48.159
he's cut fucking needles and he's shooting
up the fucking carrot. This is vince

2290
02:59:48.399 --> 02:59:54.239
definitely. It crushed the veggies,
sending their vitamin rich juice into a cup

2291
02:59:54.200 --> 03:00:01.479
while the pulp and skin shot through
another opening into a plastic bag. Backland

2292
03:00:01.559 --> 03:00:07.760
routinely lugs a juice processor with what
he is on the road. It's not

2293
03:00:07.959 --> 03:00:11.120
just because he likes carried juice.
It's because he does all he can to

2294
03:00:11.200 --> 03:00:15.879
eat and drink the right stuff for
a healthy lifestyle. After all, as

2295
03:00:15.920 --> 03:00:18.520
the old saying goes, you are
what you eat. As far as living

2296
03:00:18.600 --> 03:00:22.159
right goes, Backland is mister clean. But he's not done. But he's

2297
03:00:22.200 --> 03:00:26.840
not alone. He typifies the world
of entertainment athletes who go all out to

2298
03:00:28.000 --> 03:00:31.639
ensure their lifestyle keeps them in tip
top shape on the inside as well as

2299
03:00:31.680 --> 03:00:37.159
the outside. Eating right is a
big part of it. Worlds Entertainment Magazine

2300
03:00:37.200 --> 03:00:39.879
caught up with Backland to ask him
what it takes to promote good health the

2301
03:00:41.000 --> 03:00:45.879
natural way. I've been drinking vegetable
juice, vegetable and fruit juices for some

2302
03:00:46.120 --> 03:00:52.040
time. Oh my god, I
don't know. I've yet to get on

2303
03:00:52.159 --> 03:00:56.639
that train of drinking juice. I
don't know by you, but he's been

2304
03:00:56.680 --> 03:01:00.680
doing it for some time. That's
good to know. As he lifted his

2305
03:01:00.760 --> 03:01:05.040
cup. Carrot juice is my favorite
for obvious reasons. Carrots have an abundance

2306
03:01:05.079 --> 03:01:11.159
of vitamins. They also have betokeratene, which is a precursor to vitamin A

2307
03:01:11.280 --> 03:01:15.680
and has even been proved to prevent
some forms of cancer. Really, why

2308
03:01:15.719 --> 03:01:16.520
does it sound like it's gonna kill
me when you say that? Then,

2309
03:01:16.600 --> 03:01:22.799
Bob. Having said that mouthful,
Backlan took another drink from the cup.

2310
03:01:22.799 --> 03:01:30.760
Here's to you guys at the magazine
he toasted Backlin and his Federation counterparts.

2311
03:01:30.959 --> 03:01:35.040
Entertainment counterparts are some of the most
athletically and genetically gifted individuals and all of

2312
03:01:35.120 --> 03:01:41.280
athletics, they possess amazing agility,
strength, athleticism, and combat skills.

2313
03:01:41.879 --> 03:01:50.479
The superstars, such as the narcissist
Lex Luger Brute is the bar for beefcake

2314
03:01:52.360 --> 03:01:58.520
and the whole Cogan maintain the best
physiques on the planet and do so without

2315
03:01:58.600 --> 03:02:11.159
any synthetic ergogenic aids, particularly god
anabolic steroids. Please stop with hormones.

2316
03:02:11.680 --> 03:02:18.479
This is this is definitely that era
right agonists or diuretics. The Ruless Entertainment

2317
03:02:18.520 --> 03:02:26.479
and the Superstars realized that prescription drugs
and certain other chemicals are meant for treating

2318
03:02:26.559 --> 03:02:33.239
illness and not a preparation for the
ring. Testimony to that belief is the

2319
03:02:33.360 --> 03:02:39.319
fact, but the view Rustling Entertainment. He knows he's going to be indicted

2320
03:02:39.360 --> 03:02:48.680
in a month. Tests it's athletes
illegal subject. In July nineteen ninety one,

2321
03:02:48.760 --> 03:03:03.239
the Federation Homage Own Initiative YES began
to test for animal agents as part

2322
03:03:03.280 --> 03:03:22.840
of a extensive plug testing policy that
includes YES. Today, Confederation is the

2323
03:03:24.200 --> 03:03:39.559
only sports organization of its kind that
has such a strict recording chemical substances.

2324
03:03:41.680 --> 03:03:50.920
Knowing they must measure up creates an
a spree decorps among the superstars. They

2325
03:03:50.000 --> 03:03:56.959
know that they can't take shortcuts to
enhance their physiques or athletic performance. The

2326
03:03:56.040 --> 03:04:01.760
bottom line is that the Superstars and
the Worlds and Entertainment do things the old

2327
03:04:01.799 --> 03:04:07.920
fashioned way. They sweat and grunt
with monstrous poundages in the gym. My

2328
03:04:07.120 --> 03:04:16.239
god, oh my lou, Lou, just put in monstrous poundages if you

2329
03:04:16.280 --> 03:04:22.000
want it. What but just in
the gym. Just say monstrous poundages in

2330
03:04:22.040 --> 03:04:26.159
the gym. Is that a thing? Doesn't matter if it's a thing or

2331
03:04:26.239 --> 03:04:33.079
not. It's verbiage and it deserves
to be read. Yes, it's verbiage

2332
03:04:33.120 --> 03:04:39.719
and it deserves to be read.
They spend hours on the mat in order

2333
03:04:39.760 --> 03:04:45.840
to sharpen their wrestling skills and use
the remainder of the time in grueling aerobic

2334
03:04:46.000 --> 03:04:52.479
sessions to pair off unhunted body fat, furthermore, to augment their muscle gains

2335
03:04:52.520 --> 03:04:58.040
and athletic performance. Most superstars also
adhere to some sort of specialized dietary regimen

2336
03:04:58.360 --> 03:05:09.719
and sub supplementation program, including the
products contained in chyle Polge Format forsh Yes

2337
03:05:11.239 --> 03:05:20.000
this is unbelievable archele polsh Format Force
fact lass Kit in the nine week Body

2338
03:05:20.000 --> 03:05:26.239
of Building program. Backlan has always
recognized that nutrition and sports performance walk hand

2339
03:05:26.280 --> 03:05:31.159
in hand. For instance, while
at North Dakota State University, where he

2340
03:05:31.280 --> 03:05:37.639
received a BA like a BS in
Physical education, UH Backland constantly experimented with

2341
03:05:37.760 --> 03:05:43.120
the effects that certain foods had on
his body and how those nutrients amplified his

2342
03:05:43.200 --> 03:05:48.559
athletic ability. I was a national
wrestling champion in North Dakota State and a

2343
03:05:48.680 --> 03:05:52.440
decent football player. Backland said,
to gain weight for football, I drank

2344
03:05:52.479 --> 03:05:56.399
two and a half gallons of milk
a day. Not hearing me. We're

2345
03:05:56.520 --> 03:06:05.639
talking the real We're talking the real
mood juice. Whole milk, I can,

2346
03:06:05.319 --> 03:06:09.440
he said, mood juice. I
drank two and a half gallons of

2347
03:06:09.559 --> 03:06:15.520
milk a day, real mood juice. Hey, we spent a lot of

2348
03:06:15.559 --> 03:06:18.000
time on this Virgil tribute talking about
how he achieved that size. Yep,

2349
03:06:18.159 --> 03:06:22.760
I think we're getting close to the
answer. In addition, Backland said he

2350
03:06:22.959 --> 03:06:33.200
had also consumed steak okay several dozen
eggs three times weekly. These protein rich

2351
03:06:33.360 --> 03:06:37.799
foods helped Backlan pack on the pounds. At the time football season began,

2352
03:06:37.879 --> 03:06:46.879
he was fifteen pounds heavier and as
strong as an aux Baker. No,

2353
03:06:46.520 --> 03:06:52.040
not the big Yes. When he
entered the Federation in nineteen seventy seven,

2354
03:06:52.120 --> 03:06:56.799
he changed his dietary program. Instead
of a diet rich and high protein,

2355
03:06:56.040 --> 03:07:01.760
high fat animal foods Backman did a
flip and converted to a total vegetarian diet.

2356
03:07:03.200 --> 03:07:07.079
Today, Backland also eat modest amounts
of meat and dairy products. That's

2357
03:07:07.159 --> 03:07:13.840
when he also started to squeeze vegetable
and fruit juice big time. To give

2358
03:07:13.879 --> 03:07:16.639
you an idea of what we mean, we asked the former champ to let

2359
03:07:16.760 --> 03:07:22.520
us photograph him while he was crunching
up his beloved carrots. He doesn't.

2360
03:07:24.479 --> 03:07:30.559
He does it with all the enthusiasm
and gusto of a real believer. As

2361
03:07:30.600 --> 03:07:35.280
we were photographing Backland, Virgil came
over to the table. There it is,

2362
03:07:35.399 --> 03:07:39.799
and this is why it's here.
Yeah, he watched Backland drink juice

2363
03:07:39.879 --> 03:07:45.879
and our photographer took snapshots. Oh
no, he watched Backland drink juice and

2364
03:07:45.879 --> 03:07:50.360
our photographer takes snapshots. Virgil,
who had been moaning that this magazine had

2365
03:07:50.440 --> 03:07:54.200
ignored him in recent issues, asked
if he could mug it up for our

2366
03:07:54.239 --> 03:08:00.440
photographer. We agreed, After all, reporters and photographers don't usually find it

2367
03:08:00.520 --> 03:08:03.760
at all worthwhile to argue with a
man who stands six foot two inches,

2368
03:08:03.799 --> 03:08:09.079
weighs two hundred and forty one pounds, and can crack heads faster than Backland

2369
03:08:09.520 --> 03:08:13.280
can crack a walnut. Besides,
we think that Virgil is a really good

2370
03:08:13.399 --> 03:08:18.319
guy and as far as living a
healthy lifestyle is concerned, he's right up

2371
03:08:18.399 --> 03:08:22.840
there with all with the best that
there are. Virgil, although his nutritional

2372
03:08:22.879 --> 03:08:28.280
preference is not for carrot juice,
also carries a small appliance with him whenever

2373
03:08:28.360 --> 03:08:31.680
he's on the road. Yeah,
and his pants A cruck pipe. Oh

2374
03:08:31.799 --> 03:08:37.319
my god. Nice A blender,
Virgil told us. A blender, Virgil

2375
03:08:37.360 --> 03:08:41.559
told us as his best friend when
he's away from home. It's so tough

2376
03:08:41.639 --> 03:08:45.280
to eat six times a day when
you have to drive two hundred miles to

2377
03:08:45.399 --> 03:08:48.040
rethel, Virgil said, I mean
if you stop to eat and you show

2378
03:08:48.120 --> 03:08:52.239
up late for the match, and
the officials might find you. That's why

2379
03:08:52.319 --> 03:08:54.719
I take a blender with me.
I can make my protein drink before I

2380
03:08:54.840 --> 03:08:58.399
leave the hotel, pour them in
a thermouth, and drink them whenever I'm

2381
03:08:58.479 --> 03:09:05.639
hungry. Brudus beefcake. Like his
megamaniac partner, Hulk Hogan, is an

2382
03:09:05.639 --> 03:09:09.200
advocate of carrying his blender with him. He says that he can't get along

2383
03:09:09.280 --> 03:09:13.959
on the road without one. Without
a bionic protein shake three times a day

2384
03:09:15.360 --> 03:09:20.239
the barber can't cut and struct to
efficiency, the Holster and I make our

2385
03:09:20.319 --> 03:09:24.159
own protein shakes. We start up
with some high qualatine protein powder, and

2386
03:09:24.319 --> 03:09:28.479
then we had a few dozen egg
whites, skim milk, and peaches,

2387
03:09:28.760 --> 03:09:33.200
and we pour it down. Baby, my blunder, which the Holts are

2388
03:09:33.639 --> 03:09:37.200
like to call the beef a mattic, is just as valuable to me as

2389
03:09:37.319 --> 03:09:46.000
all the steel bolts and plates in
my head. Baby the fuck believe that's

2390
03:09:46.079 --> 03:09:50.239
real. On the lighter side of
the menu, no pun intended, the

2391
03:09:50.319 --> 03:09:56.280
Bushwhackers Luke and Butsch here to an
eccentric but effective nutritional program. Their diet

2392
03:09:56.360 --> 03:10:03.239
centers around fish, primarily in the
form of sardines, which have a high

2393
03:10:03.440 --> 03:10:09.280
nutritional value. Sardines are a good
source of protein, are high in calcium,

2394
03:10:09.399 --> 03:10:13.680
zinc, and phosphorus, and contain
a generous portion of omega three,

2395
03:10:13.719 --> 03:10:18.719
a fatty acid that has received much
bally WHO over the last several years.

2396
03:10:18.159 --> 03:10:22.639
Additionally, sardines are easy to eat
anywhere. Luke and Butch can and often

2397
03:10:22.719 --> 03:10:26.520
do, eat their meals on airplanes, in their cars, or even in

2398
03:10:26.559 --> 03:10:31.799
the squared circle. Along with sardines, the Bushwhackers also have a fondness for

2399
03:10:33.159 --> 03:10:39.520
limburger cheese and grilled calf's liver,
which is the only food that contains the

2400
03:10:39.799 --> 03:10:46.000
entire vitamin B complex, a significant
constituent for good health and the acquisition of

2401
03:10:46.280 --> 03:10:50.200
muscle mass. All told, the
SuperStar's nutritional programs are as individual as the

2402
03:10:50.280 --> 03:10:56.200
athletes themselves. You too, can
improve your health and fitness by maintaining proper

2403
03:10:56.399 --> 03:11:01.959
food intake, complete with the right
amount of macro nutrients protein, carbohydrates,

2404
03:11:01.000 --> 03:11:07.879
fats and micro nutrients, vitamins,
minerals. Let your brain ribble. Let

2405
03:11:07.920 --> 03:11:11.760
your brain nibble on that food for
thought, the next time you sit to

2406
03:11:13.040 --> 03:11:16.319
chow, sit down to chow.
And that is because there's a picture of

2407
03:11:16.520 --> 03:11:22.479
Virgil looking up longingly with a carrot
in his hand at Bob Backland in a

2408
03:11:22.520 --> 03:11:26.840
sweater and wrestling trunks, forcing carrots
into a food processor, like just a

2409
03:11:28.040 --> 03:11:33.520
fucking like in the the the maniacal
smile on Bob Backland's face. No,

2410
03:11:35.239 --> 03:11:39.520
it's almost like it's very perverted,
Like Virgil considers these carrots his pets,

2411
03:11:39.719 --> 03:11:45.840
and Bob is fucking destroying them in
his face. I mean he's like he's

2412
03:11:46.040 --> 03:11:50.959
he's he's holding that that that carrot
Virgil like a fucking like he's gonna shift,

2413
03:11:52.040 --> 03:12:01.000
you know, he's absolutely just quick, quick, light throat motions into

2414
03:12:01.040 --> 03:12:07.120
Bob Beckland's midsection inside Light, And
as you telegraphed, this is a great

2415
03:12:07.760 --> 03:12:13.520
entree into really the last gasp of
Virgil and the WWF spotlight that we could

2416
03:12:13.559 --> 03:12:16.639
think of. Yeah, it's so
fucking money how he just is commanding,

2417
03:12:16.680 --> 03:12:22.280
and this article intimates it. Respect
from the WWF magazine publishers. He's never

2418
03:12:22.399 --> 03:12:26.760
been featured, and there was a
particular month in nineteen ninety three where that

2419
03:12:26.840 --> 03:12:31.319
was remedied. He wasn't getting featured
as as maybe he used to be.

2420
03:12:31.840 --> 03:12:35.959
Yes, And I'll tell you,
I fucking remember when I got this issue

2421
03:12:35.959 --> 03:12:39.120
with the magazine, when I came
in the mail and I'm flipping through it,

2422
03:12:39.120 --> 03:12:41.200
and all of a sudden, like
I see this other cover and I'm

2423
03:12:41.239 --> 03:12:43.760
like, wait a minute, what, Yes, what's going on here?

2424
03:12:43.879 --> 03:12:48.000
And then it's all these virgils like
virgils on the cover. And I've been

2425
03:12:48.079 --> 03:12:50.399
following this story too, a Virgil
not being happy about this, so I

2426
03:12:50.479 --> 03:12:52.760
was like, oh my god,
like wait, what's going on here?

2427
03:12:52.920 --> 03:12:56.799
Like what is this? And then
then you see the little thing and then

2428
03:12:56.840 --> 03:12:58.879
you realize all these stories are about
Virgil. Wow. And it's like,

2429
03:13:00.600 --> 03:13:01.639
you know, I'm going to read
everything, so you have it. But

2430
03:13:01.840 --> 03:13:07.040
there's there's a little a little disclaimer
up in the top right corner. And

2431
03:13:07.200 --> 03:13:13.120
what I love about this too is
I actually took I took this page out

2432
03:13:15.680 --> 03:13:20.280
of the magazine and put it on
the cover. Wow. I like taped

2433
03:13:20.319 --> 03:13:28.360
it onto the cover's memory. It
was like Virgil Memory. So it says

2434
03:13:28.440 --> 03:13:37.840
here this is a paid, paid
advertisement by Virgil. The World Wrestling Entertainment

2435
03:13:37.920 --> 03:13:43.399
Magazine is not responsible for the subject
or content matter represented on this page.

2436
03:13:45.280 --> 03:13:52.159
The the the banner on top says
Virgil pens low down and pin them down,

2437
03:13:52.319 --> 03:13:58.920
Pins Virgil. Two sub sections what
do you call them? Features?

2438
03:13:58.959 --> 03:14:03.719
The features Jack, there are those
repeating things. Then the first headline Virgil

2439
03:14:03.879 --> 03:14:09.719
the Man, the Legend. Next
headline Path to Greatness, Virgil's Rise to

2440
03:14:09.840 --> 03:14:20.639
Prominence, Virgil and Victory, A
prolific profile, Virgil Mania right Unite in

2441
03:14:20.680 --> 03:14:22.959
the Universe. Right, I think
we're gonna have to do a Virgil Mania

2442
03:14:24.040 --> 03:14:31.120
shirt. I think. So that's
it. Just fucking awesome And just like

2443
03:14:31.200 --> 03:14:35.120
seeming that pose fists, you know, he's looking like he's gonna fucking kill

2444
03:14:35.600 --> 03:14:37.479
the articles, aren't there. It's
just a cover. No, it's no

2445
03:14:37.600 --> 03:14:41.840
arginal, it's just it's just this
fake cover. Nothing about this like it's

2446
03:14:41.879 --> 03:14:45.840
all so great. Yeah, yeah, those are the little memories man.

2447
03:14:46.399 --> 03:14:48.719
Yeah, then make up. You
know, I'm sure that was somewhere in

2448
03:14:48.760 --> 03:14:52.040
your mind when you walk through the
doors at your bachelor party, do.

2449
03:14:52.639 --> 03:14:56.200
I mean, there's so much of
that ship, you know, like he

2450
03:14:56.319 --> 03:15:01.120
really did play an important part in
in that, in that in my fandom

2451
03:15:01.360 --> 03:15:05.120
at that at that age, you
know, like he was just there.

2452
03:15:05.840 --> 03:15:09.200
He was just there. He was
just part of he was he was part

2453
03:15:09.399 --> 03:15:13.840
of the uh of the scenery,
you know, in a good way,

2454
03:15:13.920 --> 03:15:16.920
not like he was just in the
background, but like he was. He

2455
03:15:16.040 --> 03:15:18.799
was a featured player. I'm sure
I gave him a world title run at

2456
03:15:18.840 --> 03:15:22.760
some point. Wow, you know, he probably got a good shot at

2457
03:15:22.799 --> 03:15:26.280
the belt and then with that one
last bid for attention up in New York

2458
03:15:26.479 --> 03:15:31.040
where he created the memories that we're
still talking about here on TLF all these

2459
03:15:31.120 --> 03:15:35.159
years later. He did have a
career after this, of course, when

2460
03:15:35.159 --> 03:15:39.600
the nWo took off in WSW in
nineteen ninety six, after doing some independence

2461
03:15:39.600 --> 03:15:43.520
including I think a shot for ECW
and went to his Eastern Championship, and

2462
03:15:43.600 --> 03:15:48.360
remember we wrestled Terry Funk on one
of the hindie shows. Virgil gets the

2463
03:15:48.440 --> 03:15:54.559
call to come into WCW and he's
following Ted Dibiasse, who had come in

2464
03:15:54.639 --> 03:15:58.760
originally framed us the financier of the
nWo. Yes, and it only makes

2465
03:15:58.760 --> 03:16:01.799
sense when you see Ted Dibiasse,
and if we're trying to recreate the WWF

2466
03:16:01.879 --> 03:16:05.680
here in the fans minds that Virgil
show up as his bodyguard. But it

2467
03:16:05.719 --> 03:16:11.280
can't be Virgil because now the lampooning
is being shot the other direction. Now

2468
03:16:11.319 --> 03:16:16.159
we must lampoon New York with the
name we give Mike Jones, and he

2469
03:16:16.319 --> 03:16:20.479
becomes you heard it right, Vincent. Here is the the episode of Nitro.

2470
03:16:20.719 --> 03:16:24.600
Eric Bischoff before he has joined the
nWo is uncommentary when Scott Hall,

2471
03:16:24.719 --> 03:16:28.200
Kevin Nash and the whole crew take
over and introduce the newest member. We

2472
03:16:28.360 --> 03:16:33.799
told you so, We told you
so, joining the broadcast team. Welcome

2473
03:16:33.840 --> 03:16:39.239
here Siders, National haff An Outsiders
six in the background, let Jerry Hawk

2474
03:16:39.280 --> 03:16:46.600
Hogan and let's bring out our newest
member, Ted Dbasse's head of security,

2475
03:16:48.719 --> 03:16:54.600
make welcome if you will. A
name very familiar to wrestling fans, Bring

2476
03:16:54.680 --> 03:17:05.959
them out, Teddy Ware's bring out
Vince Fence. Come on out, face

2477
03:17:07.680 --> 03:17:11.600
praise, easy, easy, Come
on, buddy, So let me ask

2478
03:17:11.639 --> 03:17:13.680
you a question. All waiting on
VENs. So this whole, this whole

2479
03:17:13.719 --> 03:17:18.200
thing here, Harry comes ship.
Did you just look like it's a barbarsona?

2480
03:17:18.239 --> 03:17:22.719
What's the dother? Harry comes?
Hey, that's come on, buddy,

2481
03:17:22.840 --> 03:17:26.319
what is who is it? Piss
off with the n W O what

2482
03:17:26.600 --> 03:17:31.760
you like it or not? Brothers? Come on, that's so fun man,

2483
03:17:31.799 --> 03:17:35.600
Hey Ben, welcome blam. I'm
so worried. I don't worry this

2484
03:17:35.760 --> 03:17:39.120
checks keep it on, keep an
eye on him. Bro Hey, hey,

2485
03:17:39.280 --> 03:17:46.399
hey, stay steady. Ask a
question. That's for sure. We

2486
03:17:46.520 --> 03:17:50.079
got hold it. We could take
over we could take over basketball because we

2487
03:17:50.239 --> 03:17:54.680
got we got shack. But you
know what I like? Hey, there's

2488
03:17:54.719 --> 03:17:58.280
only two things in life worth watching? Okay, yeah, my brother in

2489
03:17:58.319 --> 03:18:03.520
law told me to things in this
world worth watching. One was Alabama football.

2490
03:18:03.000 --> 03:18:07.239
The other was NASCAR racing. Can
we take a break, no problem,

2491
03:18:07.319 --> 03:18:16.520
man, we gotta take a break
where you want to get broke watching

2492
03:18:16.719 --> 03:18:24.040
Vince watching Vince. The fuck are
they talking about the fucking NASCAR in the

2493
03:18:24.079 --> 03:18:28.159
world. I don't know. It's
one of those things, like, you

2494
03:18:28.200 --> 03:18:31.000
know, Kevin Nash is so buried
underneath all the references he's trying to make

2495
03:18:31.040 --> 03:18:35.600
that nobody knows what the fuck he's
talking about. I don't know. He

2496
03:18:35.879 --> 03:18:37.840
thinks he's mocking somebody into the crowd. The audience gets it, and if

2497
03:18:37.840 --> 03:18:41.280
they don't get it, he's even
more self satisfied. You know, the

2498
03:18:41.520 --> 03:18:43.840
you know the score. Yeah,
I know, but that was the m

2499
03:18:43.920 --> 03:18:46.760
O back then. They just take
over the announced desk and just you know,

2500
03:18:46.840 --> 03:18:48.760
say whatever came to their minds.
And yeah, Virgil walks out through

2501
03:18:48.760 --> 03:18:52.280
the nitro set and joins them up
at the announced position and you can hear

2502
03:18:52.399 --> 03:18:56.399
some Virgil chants there. The people
were excited to see him. It didn't

2503
03:18:56.399 --> 03:19:00.280
go anywhere. Uh. Teddy Biassi
leaves the NBA shortly after this and goes

2504
03:19:00.360 --> 03:19:05.520
baby Face managing the Steiner Brothers and
then disappears from WCW. And Virgil sticks

2505
03:19:05.559 --> 03:19:07.559
around and then they do the wolf
Pack by ninety eight and just forget about

2506
03:19:07.559 --> 03:19:11.879
it. He's left behind in nWo
Hollywood with all the other brons and just

2507
03:19:11.920 --> 03:19:16.959
collected a paycheck wrestling in black jeans
yep, which is very still to this

2508
03:19:18.120 --> 03:19:24.079
day bothers me. The idea of
someone wrestling in tight black jeans just very

2509
03:19:24.159 --> 03:19:26.879
distressing. But that was pretty much
the role he played, and he stuck

2510
03:19:26.920 --> 03:19:31.879
around for several years in WCW got
on the on the dole, so to

2511
03:19:31.959 --> 03:19:35.120
speak. Didn't really have any memorable
matches at all, not a one that

2512
03:19:35.239 --> 03:19:41.000
I can think of. And when
they kind of switch gears and went with

2513
03:19:41.040 --> 03:19:43.040
the West Texas Rednecks in nineteen ninety
nine, the Kurt Henniing staple. That

2514
03:19:43.479 --> 03:19:48.120
was a bunch of country musician types
that were railing against rap, rap his

2515
03:19:48.239 --> 03:19:50.879
crap. Remember that whole thing.
I do remember that someone decided it would

2516
03:19:50.879 --> 03:19:56.239
be funny to add Mike Jones to
the Rednecks crew and rename him Curly Bill.

2517
03:19:56.319 --> 03:19:58.879
And that's exactly what happened. Is
he doned a cowboy hat and chewing

2518
03:20:00.120 --> 03:20:03.079
back and acted like he hated rap. For some reason, that was reference

2519
03:20:03.159 --> 03:20:07.600
to something like curly Bill. I
don't know where curly Bill came from.

2520
03:20:07.639 --> 03:20:09.200
Maybe it's Klondike Bill. I mean, he's not curly, that's for sure.

2521
03:20:09.440 --> 03:20:15.200
I don't know that one. I
don't get. When Vince Russo came

2522
03:20:15.239 --> 03:20:16.959
in and the Powers of the Bat
storyline, he changed his name in said

2523
03:20:16.959 --> 03:20:22.639
of Vincent to Shane. Oh that
I remember, Oh my god. It

2524
03:20:22.760 --> 03:20:26.879
was a bodyguard for Vince Russo along
with the Harris brothers. After Russo was

2525
03:20:26.879 --> 03:20:31.239
ousted in early two thousand and then
Kevin Sullivan regime came in. They recast

2526
03:20:31.319 --> 03:20:35.639
him as a manager for Ernest Miller, kind of dressing in a fedora and

2527
03:20:35.719 --> 03:20:37.760
being like a soul man next to
the cat. That didn't last very long

2528
03:20:37.799 --> 03:20:41.319
and made only a handful of appearances
really and that role. And then he

2529
03:20:41.360 --> 03:20:45.319
had a period of time in WCW
where he just wrestled as Mike Jones.

2530
03:20:46.719 --> 03:20:50.639
Wow, God help us. Uh
he was Mike Jones. But in late

2531
03:20:50.680 --> 03:20:54.200
two thousand he was He was let
go right around the time the Bischoff Russou

2532
03:20:54.319 --> 03:20:58.840
regime happened, and you didn't really
see anything or hear anything from him.

2533
03:20:58.559 --> 03:21:01.600
He started making appearances again in the
mid mid part of the two thousands,

2534
03:21:03.319 --> 03:21:09.520
and he suddenly showed up on a
twenty ten episode of Raw and like an

2535
03:21:09.600 --> 03:21:13.399
under armour shirt and jeans. He
got in there and became Virgil one more

2536
03:21:13.479 --> 03:21:18.840
time with Teddybase's son. Yes,
I do remember that Teddybasse Junior the million

2537
03:21:18.879 --> 03:21:22.360
Dollar Champion and was doing all of
his stuff that he used to do for

2538
03:21:24.479 --> 03:21:28.360
ted Senior on the microphone and then
well into the ring, like holding the

2539
03:21:28.440 --> 03:21:33.079
ropes and everything. There was a
tag match Virgil in DBAs against Big Show

2540
03:21:33.200 --> 03:21:37.719
and Mark firstein the actor right,
who was a guest host, Yeah,

2541
03:21:37.840 --> 03:21:43.479
raw that week this is the guest
host era oh and Virgil was humiliated and

2542
03:21:43.559 --> 03:21:48.840
defeated, and then afterwards Teddybiassi Junior
stuffed a one hundred dollars bill in Virgil's

2543
03:21:48.879 --> 03:21:52.399
mouth and that was the last time
Virgil was seen on WWB television. Wild

2544
03:21:54.239 --> 03:21:58.719
He became sort of like a cult
sensation when his reputation for showing up at

2545
03:21:58.760 --> 03:22:03.159
rest autograph shows and hustling people for
more than they were willing to part with

2546
03:22:03.360 --> 03:22:05.959
became the stuff of legend. We've
mentioned several times. Sam Roberts So of

2547
03:22:07.040 --> 03:22:09.959
course, was on Opie and Anthony
and was in New York a serious XM

2548
03:22:11.399 --> 03:22:18.399
radio personality and actually went on to
be a WWE kind of like desk analyst

2549
03:22:18.479 --> 03:22:22.879
guy and like you know, show
host he would talk all the time about

2550
03:22:22.959 --> 03:22:26.920
Virgil. He would see him at
conventions doing his thing, working his magic

2551
03:22:26.120 --> 03:22:33.559
and extracting his toll on on wrestling
fans. And he created the blog called

2552
03:22:33.639 --> 03:22:37.760
Lonely Virgil, which started with pictures
he would take of nobody coming to Virgil's

2553
03:22:37.840 --> 03:22:41.360
table, and Sam Roberts would encourage
anybody else who observed Virgil in the wild

2554
03:22:41.760 --> 03:22:45.319
with no one at his table to
send him the pictures, and so he

2555
03:22:45.399 --> 03:22:48.719
posted them as almost like a Tumblr
blog, just a series of pictures of

2556
03:22:48.799 --> 03:22:54.319
no one caring about Virgil, and
you know, snippy and snarky little passages

2557
03:22:54.360 --> 03:22:56.319
too that went along with the pictures, little captions, and so it became

2558
03:22:56.360 --> 03:23:00.440
a thing. It became a thing. This is years after we were talking

2559
03:23:00.479 --> 03:23:03.799
about him coming to the party and
how wild that would be. It's so

2560
03:23:03.000 --> 03:23:07.079
crazy that no one cares about Virgil
and that he's a guy that holds a

2561
03:23:07.120 --> 03:23:09.680
similar place. It turns out,
and a whole lot of other wrestling fans

2562
03:23:09.760 --> 03:23:13.879
minds of our vintage. It's just
like this, like the ultimate, like

2563
03:23:13.079 --> 03:23:18.520
what the ultimate WTF wrestler yep.
And to give you a sense of how

2564
03:23:18.639 --> 03:23:22.360
much fodder he was on the radio, airwaves at the time. This is

2565
03:23:22.440 --> 03:23:24.280
just a snippet of a show from
Ropy and Anthony where Sam Roberts is on

2566
03:23:24.479 --> 03:23:30.479
talking about this phenomenon. Shit you
got, Rah, this is Virgil's whole

2567
03:23:30.559 --> 03:23:33.760
thing, like because there's nobody that
comes to his table, so when a

2568
03:23:33.840 --> 03:23:37.760
few people do, he just scams
him. Like the first time I saw

2569
03:23:37.840 --> 03:23:39.760
him at a convention, I got
a picture in an autograph and I go,

2570
03:23:41.280 --> 03:23:43.159
how much is because he doesn't post
his prices because that's part of his

2571
03:23:43.280 --> 03:23:46.399
deal. What a scumbag. So
because that way, you go, like,

2572
03:23:46.479 --> 03:23:50.639
how much are the prices? Can
you do the play acting that I

2573
03:23:50.959 --> 03:23:54.479
really enjoyed during the break and you
and chemistry? Well, so here's what

2574
03:23:54.559 --> 03:23:58.079
happened. I'll tell you. Let's
go through it again. I'll tell you

2575
03:23:58.159 --> 03:24:01.120
the story of what happened this weekend. Okay, Because I went up to

2576
03:24:01.200 --> 03:24:03.200
Virgil and asked for an interview,
and he said, not right now,

2577
03:24:03.399 --> 03:24:05.559
not right now. I'm making some
money. Is there anyone around? There

2578
03:24:05.639 --> 03:24:11.639
was one guy there I signed to
stand and you ever get you had to

2579
03:24:11.680 --> 03:24:15.399
get audio, Virgil while you're out
there. I couldn't what happened? You

2580
03:24:15.479 --> 03:24:20.399
said? Okay? So so I
decided to wait and watch the transaction because

2581
03:24:20.399 --> 03:24:22.840
I know what my experience has been
like with him. So the guy comes

2582
03:24:22.920 --> 03:24:26.360
up to him and he starts looking
at the photos he has laid out on

2583
03:24:26.440 --> 03:24:31.000
the table, and now Virgil mark
yeah. So he starts going, hey

2584
03:24:31.040 --> 03:24:33.200
buddy, hey buddy, how about
little old school? How about a little

2585
03:24:33.239 --> 03:24:35.040
old school? Old school? You
like the old stuff? Right? Well,

2586
03:24:35.120 --> 03:24:37.799
oh, old stuff throwback? You
know? I like that? Virgil?

2587
03:24:37.879 --> 03:24:41.280
Yas to watch Virgil on TV?
Right? Yeah? Yeah? What

2588
03:24:41.360 --> 03:24:43.040
do you got? What do you? Which picture you like? Here?

2589
03:24:43.040 --> 03:24:45.079
Which picture? Which? What's your
favorite picture? Here? You see that

2590
03:24:45.159 --> 03:24:46.479
one that's all the old school guys
in one picture? You see that?

2591
03:24:46.760 --> 03:24:50.120
Yeah? I like I like that
one. That's how much? How much

2592
03:24:50.159 --> 03:24:52.920
do you get for that? You
like? Which one's your favorite picture?

2593
03:24:52.920 --> 03:24:56.079
You like that picture? Yeah?
I like that? You want to me,

2594
03:24:56.200 --> 03:24:58.200
I'll sign it for you? You
mean, let me sign it for

2595
03:24:58.239 --> 03:25:01.360
you? Anthony? What's you?
Anthony? All right? Anthony? See

2596
03:25:01.440 --> 03:25:03.399
I need to know how much this? Come back? Get Let's get a

2597
03:25:03.440 --> 03:25:07.120
picture. You want to get a
picture around, we'll put the get a

2598
03:25:07.159 --> 03:25:11.680
picture all right, that's get a
big hole all right back there there you

2599
03:25:11.760 --> 03:25:13.799
go, say, cheese, cheese, right, and that's sixty. Wait

2600
03:25:13.959 --> 03:25:18.000
wait, you didn't get what Virgi
you girl friend? What you want to

2601
03:25:18.000 --> 03:25:18.959
get a picture? Miss? I'm
here, I don't have a girl.

2602
03:25:20.000 --> 03:25:22.639
Back around, come back around,
come back around. We'll get her in

2603
03:25:22.680 --> 03:25:26.319
a picture. That would just be
seventy. Then with both pictures what and

2604
03:25:26.440 --> 03:25:31.120
then it's seventy dollars and then he
and then he, but he never does

2605
03:25:31.239 --> 03:25:37.520
seventy. You're right, that's my
three card monks, Carnee, uh can

2606
03:25:37.840 --> 03:25:41.639
do it? Virgil is not worth
a fifteen. That's like no, no,

2607
03:25:41.040 --> 03:25:43.120
that's when you go to the cornerals
and they go, yeah, you're

2608
03:25:43.200 --> 03:25:46.680
just trying to try to try at
the blue with the dart here, not

2609
03:25:46.879 --> 03:25:50.639
to try again, try again.
Do you think guys waste their money who

2610
03:25:50.680 --> 03:25:52.280
have been trying to go see somebody
else, so like they don't have that

2611
03:25:52.399 --> 03:25:56.280
much, they waste it on him
and they leave with a Virgil picture.

2612
03:25:56.840 --> 03:26:05.719
I meanwhile, they wanted like something
cool. Yeah, I mean so far,

2613
03:26:05.840 --> 03:26:09.319
I'm I'm I'm I'm all, I'm
all for it. So that's what's

2614
03:26:09.600 --> 03:26:16.840
going on, right. It sounds
the way it should be done. So

2615
03:26:16.959 --> 03:26:22.040
he is now firmly fodder on the
Talk Talk airwaves and it's just a second

2616
03:26:22.280 --> 03:26:24.120
lease on life, not one he
would pick necessarily, but he'll take it.

2617
03:26:24.799 --> 03:26:28.680
And uh, you know this all
of course leads to Virgil coming in

2618
03:26:28.799 --> 03:26:33.479
studio for Sam Roberts radio show and
sort of confronting him about the lonely Virgil

2619
03:26:33.559 --> 03:26:35.760
thing. But now what we hear
is a Virgil who is kind of like

2620
03:26:37.239 --> 03:26:41.319
halfway between serious and not serious at
all times. Now. Ye, so

2621
03:26:41.440 --> 03:26:43.120
he clearly knows that he's leaning into
this a little bit, but at the

2622
03:26:43.159 --> 03:26:46.600
same time trying to keep up this
appearance that he's actually aggravated about it.

2623
03:26:46.639 --> 03:26:50.399
And you can't always tell. But
here's a little snippet, and what do

2624
03:26:50.440 --> 03:27:00.280
you think. I think? Yes, on one website and that's the real

2625
03:27:00.639 --> 03:27:03.840
Virgil dot com. Okay, but
just the real Virgil dot com. Have

2626
03:27:03.959 --> 03:27:07.600
pictures of you sitting by yourself at
conventions that where do you get that book?

2627
03:27:07.639 --> 03:27:09.079
Anyone can give you them pictures.
They can take a stap a picture

2628
03:27:09.520 --> 03:27:13.639
of me coming to a convention at
like ten o'clock and no one's around.

2629
03:27:13.680 --> 03:27:16.639
They just snap the damn picture.
Right, there's two damn lazy to come

2630
03:27:16.680 --> 03:27:20.120
up and pay that thirty dollars take
a picture like that. Now let me

2631
03:27:20.159 --> 03:27:24.280
ask you this. Yeah, I'm
listening. You walk around and you have

2632
03:27:24.319 --> 03:27:26.479
a banner that says million dollar man
Ted dbs and Virgil. I like that

2633
03:27:26.559 --> 03:27:28.840
banner. I know you like that
banner. That's because people come and they

2634
03:27:28.840 --> 03:27:31.239
say, hey, where's the million
dollar man Ted Dbasi And he's never there,

2635
03:27:31.360 --> 03:27:35.120
I sayss Ted DEBOSSI would have been
there, that price would have been

2636
03:27:37.239 --> 03:27:41.159
triple even higher, even higher.
But so don't you say it's advertising.

2637
03:27:41.200 --> 03:27:43.159
Don't you think there's something false advertising? No? No, I just tell

2638
03:27:43.239 --> 03:27:48.280
me sure, because like it's show
both of us are saying. I mean,

2639
03:27:48.000 --> 03:27:52.719
when we were there at a certain
time, right like maybe nineteen,

2640
03:27:52.920 --> 03:27:58.120
it was nineteen eighty seventy, Okay, right now, I still look like

2641
03:27:58.239 --> 03:28:03.200
I look in nineteen eighty. I
was just thinking that amazing there I had

2642
03:28:03.280 --> 03:28:07.520
twenty one at arms. Now I
got on nineteen suit. So there's Virgil

2643
03:28:09.399 --> 03:28:13.399
embracing it and fighting against it at
the same time. There aren't many people

2644
03:28:13.399 --> 03:28:16.159
who can get away with that as
he can. That sounds like the Virgil

2645
03:28:16.200 --> 03:28:20.799
we met, Yes, very familiar
sounding. So he started making like meme

2646
03:28:20.840 --> 03:28:24.000
appearances. He showed up at the
Joey Janello Spring Break shows a couple of

2647
03:28:24.040 --> 03:28:28.399
times, and even showed up in
AW a couple of times alongside Chris Jericho,

2648
03:28:28.559 --> 03:28:31.159
who I think took a took an
interest in Virgil in his lot in

2649
03:28:31.239 --> 03:28:35.360
life and trying to support him there
he made I did not know he came

2650
03:28:35.399 --> 03:28:37.239
in AW. Yeah, I mean
he just did like cameos. There were

2651
03:28:37.239 --> 03:28:41.319
a couple of like videos that Jericho
did when he was feeding with Cody over

2652
03:28:41.399 --> 03:28:43.799
the title, where Jericho was kind
of doing like almost like a mockumentary style

2653
03:28:45.440 --> 03:28:48.239
package about how great a champion he
was and he was a Virgil A soul

2654
03:28:48.280 --> 03:28:52.479
train. Jones showed up as a
talking head on that thing, and he

2655
03:28:52.600 --> 03:28:58.319
also showed up on the April twenty
nine, twenty twenty episode of Dynamites,

2656
03:28:58.319 --> 03:29:01.879
so during COVID making a cameo as
well. I think he made an in

2657
03:29:01.959 --> 03:29:07.000
person appearance during the Thanksgiving celebration for
Jericho in twenty nineteen. Yep, he

2658
03:29:07.159 --> 03:29:11.319
was there as kind of like the
MC for the festivities. And so that

2659
03:29:11.440 --> 03:29:13.959
was really the last time Virgil was
seen on wrestling television, at least nationally

2660
03:29:15.000 --> 03:29:20.280
broadcast wrestling television, and we all
know that it kind of went to a

2661
03:29:20.319 --> 03:29:26.120
weird place with him and his in
his personal situation. Eventually he suffered some

2662
03:29:26.280 --> 03:29:31.319
kind of malady. There was There
was a good article that was posted by

2663
03:29:31.559 --> 03:29:35.440
Aaron Di Castro on the Slam Wrestling
site looking at talking to some people that

2664
03:29:35.559 --> 03:29:39.360
knew him later in life, including
a referee from Pittsburgh by the name of

2665
03:29:39.399 --> 03:29:43.280
Mark Charles the Third, who knew
Virgil well and his his situation. He

2666
03:29:43.360 --> 03:29:48.799
ended up basically living with a roommate
who you tend to be Assi at least

2667
03:29:48.799 --> 03:29:52.159
if you listen to this clip,
wasn't necessarily a huge fan of but he

2668
03:29:52.479 --> 03:29:58.120
ended up, you know, being
surrounded with people that were like halfway promoting

2669
03:29:58.200 --> 03:30:01.079
him, you know what I mean, way keeping him company. It was

2670
03:30:01.159 --> 03:30:05.639
a it was kind of a strange
deal, but you know, we continue

2671
03:30:05.680 --> 03:30:13.360
to be friends, and I would
see him at some of the comic cons

2672
03:30:13.399 --> 03:30:20.639
from time to time, and I
told him going forward, I said,

2673
03:30:20.479 --> 03:30:26.799
if you get booked on any of
the comic cons and we end up there

2674
03:30:26.920 --> 03:30:33.600
together, then please come and sit
with me. And I did that that

2675
03:30:33.799 --> 03:30:41.280
much. But the reason that I
stopped doing it was things that Virgil had

2676
03:30:41.360 --> 03:30:48.559
said to some fans that just you
know, it wasn't right. But I'm

2677
03:30:48.600 --> 03:30:52.479
looking back at it from where I
am now and I'm going, and I

2678
03:30:52.680 --> 03:30:56.559
see he never he never would say
that to me. He didn't want anybody

2679
03:30:56.600 --> 03:31:03.360
to know that he was struggling.
And later I did find out I can't

2680
03:31:03.399 --> 03:31:09.239
remember the guy's name that was his
caretaker, but it was seeing to it

2681
03:31:09.399 --> 03:31:13.399
that he was taking care of a
little bit better. And I just don't

2682
03:31:13.479 --> 03:31:20.079
know. It's mind boggling to me
because you know, I don't know who

2683
03:31:20.200 --> 03:31:24.600
he was living with or how he
was living, but I know that it

2684
03:31:24.760 --> 03:31:31.200
was not good. It's it's just
a sad story. Yeah, kind of

2685
03:31:31.200 --> 03:31:35.760
weird. We do know from some
of the reporting the article I just mentioned

2686
03:31:35.799 --> 03:31:43.159
that Mike Jones suffered two strokes late
in twenty twenty three and was in very

2687
03:31:43.200 --> 03:31:46.319
bad health as a result of it. How much further worsened his health conditioned

2688
03:31:46.360 --> 03:31:50.360
God, I guess, is the
subject of some speculation for reasons we'll talk

2689
03:31:50.399 --> 03:31:54.000
about here in a second. And
dementia was also very much an issue.

2690
03:31:54.079 --> 03:31:58.200
Now, well, we had our
moments with Virgil. I don't remember ever

2691
03:31:58.280 --> 03:32:03.559
feeling like he had dementia quite so, No, I don't think so.

2692
03:32:03.200 --> 03:32:09.959
It's more just kind of like scatterbrain. Except for his demented overpricing of things.

2693
03:32:11.000 --> 03:32:15.040
Right, Yeah, that's the wrestler
dementia, I guess you could say.

2694
03:32:15.520 --> 03:32:20.239
But yeah, he started suffering and
you know, something close to isolation.

2695
03:32:20.920 --> 03:32:24.319
I'm sure that the pandemic didn't do
him any good because there wasn't a

2696
03:32:24.360 --> 03:32:26.600
lot of gimmick tables to set up
there. For a year and a half,

2697
03:32:26.639 --> 03:32:31.120
I'm sure money got extremely tight.
There was a thing that he had

2698
03:32:31.200 --> 03:32:35.959
cancer, and then his sister came
out and said that he'd never had any

2699
03:32:35.000 --> 03:32:41.920
cancer. But it's remarkable just how
hard it was to get like reliable signals

2700
03:32:41.959 --> 03:32:46.479
as to what was happening, what
Teddy Biassi may have been talking about.

2701
03:32:46.079 --> 03:32:50.120
It was kind of telegraphed to us
when we reached out for the bachelor party

2702
03:32:50.159 --> 03:32:52.159
that the guy who made the connection
news, like just so you know,

2703
03:32:52.360 --> 03:32:54.680
I remember exactly what he said,
so I don't be unfair here, but

2704
03:32:54.000 --> 03:32:58.440
it was something along the lines of, yeah, we know him, but

2705
03:32:58.879 --> 03:33:01.680
we're probably not going to work with
them again because he was basically harassing people

2706
03:33:01.799 --> 03:33:07.360
at the convention. He was not
necessarily a positive force. I think it

2707
03:33:07.360 --> 03:33:09.239
had something to do with like making
untoward remarks towards women or something like that

2708
03:33:11.120 --> 03:33:13.360
makes someone uncomfortable, and I definitely
got the sense that, Okay, well,

2709
03:33:15.159 --> 03:33:16.360
while this guy's going to help me
reach out to him, it's not

2710
03:33:16.559 --> 03:33:20.040
like Virgil is necessarily still in their
good graces over on that side of things.

2711
03:33:20.120 --> 03:33:26.159
So maybe that's part and Parcel I'm
sure too. Ted didn't appreciate the

2712
03:33:26.280 --> 03:33:30.159
apparent situation where Virgil would indicate that
Ted was going to join him at an

2713
03:33:30.159 --> 03:33:33.840
autograph table and was nowhere in the
zip code. And then you know,

2714
03:33:33.920 --> 03:33:39.000
suddenly DEBIASI gets the reputation of no
showing autograph shows, and Ted takes it

2715
03:33:39.079 --> 03:33:45.280
personally that Virgil allows that misnomer to
propagate. Potentially that's just me reading between

2716
03:33:45.280 --> 03:33:46.959
the lines, but I think that's
what was mostly going on here. Now.

2717
03:33:48.040 --> 03:33:54.079
Virgil did resurface doing interviews for a
podcast on Hannibal's television channel on YouTube,

2718
03:33:54.079 --> 03:33:56.239
and you can find them. It's
with a guy named Vinnie Vegas,

2719
03:33:56.600 --> 03:34:01.479
and he got a few FaceTime style
interviews going with Virgil, including one where

2720
03:34:01.840 --> 03:34:05.680
he talked about kind of like the
rough edges of the remarks we just heard

2721
03:34:05.719 --> 03:34:09.840
Teddy Biassi making his podcast about you
know, some kind of perceived wrong that

2722
03:34:09.959 --> 03:34:11.600
Virgil did against him. That led
to him creating a distance between him and

2723
03:34:11.680 --> 03:34:16.639
Virgil, and he was able to
get Virgil to apologize, but in his

2724
03:34:16.760 --> 03:34:22.200
state, I'm not even sure what
we're hearing, ched Gbasi, million dollar

2725
03:34:22.360 --> 03:34:31.159
man, I Virgil Michael Jones would
like to apologize for anything that was said

2726
03:34:31.920 --> 03:34:37.360
that I said. You may I'm
very, very very sorry because you were

2727
03:34:37.479 --> 03:34:48.040
always a great, great man and
a great worker. Virgil would emphasize,

2728
03:34:48.079 --> 03:34:54.000
of course, his constant exercise routine
later on into his life, but as

2729
03:34:54.239 --> 03:34:58.920
noted in the aforementioned article on his
passing, he wasn't really He didn't have

2730
03:34:58.040 --> 03:35:01.280
great use of his arms lately,
so there wasn't a lot of jogging happening,

2731
03:35:01.399 --> 03:35:05.799
not a lot of weightlifting happening,
And in his final years, the

2732
03:35:05.959 --> 03:35:07.719
article reads, he usually hangs out
at home, watches the news and game

2733
03:35:07.760 --> 03:35:11.959
shows, and a lot of pro
wrestling. Virgil often borrows his roommate's car

2734
03:35:13.079 --> 03:35:16.799
to quote unquote visit his brother,
but GPS trackers in the car showed that

2735
03:35:16.879 --> 03:35:20.200
Virgil is at Wheeling Down's racetrack and
casino. Oh my God, which is

2736
03:35:20.239 --> 03:35:24.239
often confirmed by social media posts with
fans who have run into the wrestler and

2737
03:35:24.559 --> 03:35:28.680
According to this article, virgilis damage
too of his roommate's cars over the years.

2738
03:35:28.719 --> 03:35:33.280
Who is this roommate? Well,
he did an interview with the forementioned

2739
03:35:33.360 --> 03:35:37.000
vine Vegas on YouTube and Boss,
I wish you could, along with the

2740
03:35:37.040 --> 03:35:39.879
rest of the Solar System, join
me in pulling up this video type in

2741
03:35:41.000 --> 03:35:46.680
Virgil gives a tour of where he
lives. Okay, then we're going to

2742
03:35:46.799 --> 03:35:52.200
end our tribute news the tour to
the mighty Virgil, the one of a

2743
03:35:52.319 --> 03:36:00.600
kind wrestling superstar, with this glimpse
at his final environs. Oh my god,

2744
03:36:03.600 --> 03:36:11.239
Okay, I got an ad.
Remember the cameo that Gabe and all

2745
03:36:11.239 --> 03:36:15.000
the great members of the Solar System
got for your fortieth birthday? Yes,

2746
03:36:15.559 --> 03:36:18.120
and it was. It was a
bevy of cameos, but one of them

2747
03:36:18.200 --> 03:36:20.000
was from Virgil. We played it
on part one there when we were rewatching

2748
03:36:20.040 --> 03:36:22.280
the bachelor part of footage, and
it was like, where is this guy

2749
03:36:22.360 --> 03:36:24.879
living? Like it seemed like it
was done in like a like a hostage

2750
03:36:24.959 --> 03:36:30.000
video scenario. He seemed I remember
that. Yeah, seemed disoriented, he

2751
03:36:30.040 --> 03:36:35.440
seemed claustrophobic. This is the place
I'm ready. When you are all right,

2752
03:36:35.479 --> 03:36:37.040
you can find it on YouTube.
This is Vinie Vegas for the Hannibal

2753
03:36:37.079 --> 03:36:45.920
TV interviewing Virgil and all I know
interesting name. Here we go three two

2754
03:36:46.239 --> 03:36:52.319
one play. I want people to
see, uh where like Virgil's room if

2755
03:36:52.319 --> 03:36:56.600
you don't mind, so people can
get an understanding, Let's walk back,

2756
03:36:56.319 --> 03:37:03.760
Agil, give me a tour,
bron Uh let me that bus. As

2757
03:37:03.799 --> 03:37:07.280
we're good, you're on full screen. We're gonna go in. This is

2758
03:37:07.440 --> 03:37:11.799
Virgil. This is what. Let
me see how clean you are, Virgil.

2759
03:37:11.840 --> 03:37:16.079
There not be no panties on the
floor. No, I mean this

2760
03:37:16.319 --> 03:37:22.239
is this is all Virgils. Let
me see you can make a bed,

2761
03:37:22.319 --> 03:37:28.639
Virgil? Look at you. I
mean it's just we got him a TV

2762
03:37:31.399 --> 03:37:37.040
on the bureau, but he did
not have a bed. We got TV,

2763
03:37:37.000 --> 03:37:41.959
this table and then we have we
just let me see that TV,

2764
03:37:41.079 --> 03:37:45.680
Virgil. What size you get?
What size TV you get? Look at

2765
03:37:45.719 --> 03:37:52.120
you? Okay, But we got
him the bed here that was thanks to

2766
03:37:52.239 --> 03:38:00.680
donations, all right? And what
he has and if you look in the

2767
03:38:00.840 --> 03:38:07.200
clock people that anybody, it's all
empty. This is his wardrobe here.

2768
03:38:07.280 --> 03:38:13.680
It's just some we're trying to help
from. This is so people think these

2769
03:38:13.719 --> 03:38:18.000
guys are millionaires and have everything.
Well, this is this is what he

2770
03:38:18.120 --> 03:38:24.079
has. That's why we're asking,
you know, that's why we're asking for

2771
03:38:24.479 --> 03:38:26.319
help for him. I mean,
I'm trying my best. I'm dealing with

2772
03:38:26.520 --> 03:38:33.680
cancer myself, but oh my god, what he has and disturbing. And

2773
03:38:33.200 --> 03:38:37.639
you know, we're you know,
we hated to have to go this route

2774
03:38:37.680 --> 03:38:39.559
to try to help. Yeah,
we did, and stuff like that.

2775
03:38:43.520 --> 03:38:50.440
You're pocketing something, pal, What
do you care? I mean, that's

2776
03:38:50.440 --> 03:38:52.159
what we deserve as fans. You
know what, what what would that be?

2777
03:38:52.840 --> 03:38:58.200
We deserve that our heroes and that
people that we cheered for, people

2778
03:38:58.319 --> 03:39:11.559
that we rallied behind, that they
end up living completely just awful, unmanageable

2779
03:39:16.239 --> 03:39:22.319
lives, because that's what we are
as fans. We're there as fans.

2780
03:39:22.360 --> 03:39:26.239
Were only there for the good times, yes, and as soon as shit

2781
03:39:26.280 --> 03:39:30.120
starts going wrong, I don't want
anything to do with you. No,

2782
03:39:30.239 --> 03:39:35.040
No, you're off my TV.
You don't exist to me anymore. The

2783
03:39:35.120 --> 03:39:37.600
company doesn't see you as being worthwhile, as being a wrestler. You don't

2784
03:39:37.639 --> 03:39:46.239
exist anymore. And I guess in
that good times column we could put the

2785
03:39:46.360 --> 03:39:50.920
twenty twelve Bachelor Party. We'll always
have that absolutely always be grateful that Mike

2786
03:39:50.040 --> 03:39:54.200
Jones took the booking, because it's
why we're here, and a lot of

2787
03:39:54.239 --> 03:39:58.280
the stuff we've talked about is why
we were there at the time. But

2788
03:39:58.719 --> 03:40:01.959
I couldn't help but look at that
small, little storage locker sized room and

2789
03:40:03.079 --> 03:40:05.799
think that he was pretty much back
in the same dimensions he was living in

2790
03:40:05.920 --> 03:40:09.360
when he went to prison. He
didn't want to but to know about it.

2791
03:40:09.520 --> 03:40:13.319
Oh my god, Mike Jones,
there's that, and then like not

2792
03:40:13.440 --> 03:40:18.399
even like the uh, I mean, that's that's small. That's as small

2793
03:40:18.440 --> 03:40:24.879
as a New York apartment bedroom.
Yep, Mike Jones, I think we

2794
03:40:24.959 --> 03:40:31.000
can say now confidently was seventy two
when he passed away in February twenty eight,

2795
03:40:31.440 --> 03:40:35.399
twenty twenty four, and the least
likely person to have made an impression

2796
03:40:35.479 --> 03:40:41.520
on us in the Solar system.
I think we've done that spot that he

2797
03:40:41.719 --> 03:40:46.799
holds in the pantheon Justice. So
West in peace, Mike Jones, Rest

2798
03:40:46.840 --> 03:40:50.239
in peace, Virgil, and we'll
see you next time on that fucking cast.