Welcome to this edition of The High Strangeness Factor copyright on the Paranormal UK Radio
Network. I'm your host Steve Ward on the High Strangeness Factor Andy Mercer and
I explore all aspects of the unexplained and the paranormal with guests that are researchers,
investigators and experiencers. We are now into our fifth year here on the
Paranormal UK Network and it never gets boring. Andy, welcome back. It
gives me back on board. I think I missed the last show for various
reasons, but I am here again. Is good to be back. And
we mentioned earlier off air obviously that we connected with absolutely no problems, and
that's that's a first. Usually one of us can't hear the other or there's
something and at one point, you're one of your laptops was going horribly a
right, there was a while back then when I had a computer that was
sort of open basically top was off and it was literally just getting to work
just about because the other had died. But no things go to be working
fine for the dours at the moment. So what's going on with you?
You're a publishing company, for example, Well, yes, today the second
book has finally gone off to the printers. We had a few delays and
a few problems to sort out, so it's a bit later that it was
planned to be. But literally today it went off. So it's going to
be crossing figures and hopefulling works out fine with the printing. It takes about
four to five weeks and it'll come back to me. So quite a large
bill to pay out tomorrow, which is not looking forward to. But that's
the investment you put into putting books out. But yes, this one was
much more simple than the first book. This was on Essex witchcraft, history
of Essex switchcraft, including some interesting up the date material and the few articles
the friend of one who's written the book has might as to get hold of
not been published before. So that's that's quite exciting. So it's a new
approach, a new angle and some well known material to do Essex witchcraft.
So really to that, I know there are hurdles to get over and little
glitches and so forth, but how does a tield to be on this great
new venture. Oh it's excellent. I mean it's been more than ten years
in the planning of as you know, maybe some of my listeners. Now
used to a psychotherapist, I tided to take a break from the career and
finish that, so effectively retired from psychotherapy. But I always have the idea
of publishing on and off since the early two thousands. Really, but whatever,
thepy was a little bit quiet. I think we'll go back to that
plan of publishing, and then worked up again and I forget about it for
ages. I thought. With the move from where I lived before to Summerset
in the West Country, I thought, now this is it. Going to
go for it? And so far, so good. It's worked well.
My first book completely sold out, so very good, very good. And
and if I ever if you do, you still do psychotherapy on the side
in case I need some, Oh yeah, so good. And I still
get my discount right, oh absolutely, employee discount. Okay, very good.
And and speaking of employee discounts, uh, where I'm gonna welcome back
Susie Bastille as guest co host now she is a returning guest co host.
Susie, welcome back to the show. Hi, Steve and Andy, it's
my standing. Thanks for having me back. It's our pleasure. And listen.
Uh, I didn't talk to Andy about this. But we're thinking about
knocking your pay right up to our level with all the I think I take
that as an insult. Well think about that. Well you get all the
fringe benefits. Of course they're all imaginary. But that's that's all right,
is imagine es? Well, now I think it's time to let's see if
I just find the right I'm having trouble finding buttons tonight. But I want
to introduce our guest. And by the way, I should have asked Matt
to correctly if I'm correctly pronouncing his name. We'll find out in just a
moment. Matt empsh Is that correct? Yes, sir, it is.
Oh, thank God? Is the creator a planet four one two. He
has been a radio broadcaster for eighteen years, color commentator for high school,
college and semi pro football for fifteen years Western Reserve Radio dot com. He
played college football for Jim Tressel at Youngstown State University ninety one through ninety four
and full scholarship on four straight one Double A or FCS national championships, winning
ninety one, ninety three and ninety four runner up ninety two. Matt has
an incredible dog man encounter that we will be talking about. But that's not
the only event that lies outside what we think of as normal experience that has
been part of Matt's life. Matt, welcome to the High Strangers Factor.
Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure, and you guys do a
wonderful job. I watched some of your shows last night. Oh really,
Okay, that's good to hear. I've seen them before, but I wanted
to catch up and familiarize myself. I already know Susie and I have done
a show together, and you know, I know she can do her stuff.
I just wanted to refamiliar eyes myself. And you know, you have
that voice that some of the guys that I have done radio with through the
years. It's just you were born to do it. So you guys do
a great job. Wow, how about that? That's great. You don't
want to go fast? Oh listen, I'm gonna go out and get something
to eat. Now, you guys just go ahead and talk. Well,
it's a pleasure to have you here, and we want to thank Susie for
making the connection for sure. Absolutely. Like I said, it's an honor
and I I really enjoyed doing a show last week with Susie and she is
definitely doing everything right and a and a hot up and comer and in this
field. And it's it's an honor for me to do a show for anyone.
I I try not to ever, uh, you know, give anyone
the impression that I am not you know, I'm nobody special. So you're
welcome. Well, it's and it's always a lot of fun. I'm kind
of known as the Mothman guy these days, and Jeff Lonsley, who runs
the Mothmann Museum, can't do all the interviews that he requested, so some
of them get sent to me, and it's it's always a lot of fun
doing Mothman one on one. And I feel the same way. I never
it's always an honor to be asked to be on a show and talk about
this stuff. And so I'm not sure where to start, but uh did
when? Uh? I guess I want to know how I always like to
know the path people took to get where they are today. I know you've
had experiences, So as an experiencer, where did you experience the paranormal or
the unusual as a young child or was this something that happened later you know
one of the things that I've been finding out in my research through the years.
And I apologize if you hear my dog in the background, I hope
you don't. Her nemesis, the squirrel, jumps in the windows sometimes and
bothers her, so we try to get her controlled. If she doesn't stop
in a second, I will actually close the door there. In fact,
you know what, can you guys hold on one second? Absolutely, I'm
going to get her closed off. So, Susie, did you get any
book in the mail today? Not yet? Okay. I was supposed to
get three of them. Two of them Amazon said sorry, they'll be here
tomorrow. And there one that a couple of books that I was exposed to
from reading Colin Wilson's Alien Dawn. Again I'm a sucker for when when they
they refer to other books, I check it out and I think, well,
I'm going to have to have that. Both deal with remote viewing.
One is called Psychic Warrior. I can't remember the name of the author.
And then there's another one. Oh, Robert Munroe wrote the other one his
third book, I think, and I can't recall the name of his book.
But anyway, so I'm looking forward to those. All right, gentlemen,
I'm sorry, no problem. We were we were we were vamping.
I think that's what real radio people call it. She's still going crazy,
but I hope you can't hear her. It's really it's really not a problem.
My cat, one of my cats may come up and want to uh
walk across the keyboard, so that that happens sometimes. And if Susie,
I know, if Susie's up too late, although this isn't too late.
I don't think she has a cat that pesters her to death. It's ten
thirty pm exactly that he starts to act up. We are just obviously all
pet people, so we know there are children, so it really is okay.
What I was starting to say before is, you know, one of
the things that I've found out in my research through the years, because obviously
when that happened, I became, you know, extremely entranced in everything paranormal.
I found out that there are definitely families. It's familial a lot of
times. And what I mean by that is if you look deeply through families,
both sides and people that have had you know, paranormal supernatural events,
you will usually find one side or maybe even both of them that have had
things happen. So, starting from before I was even born, I'm half
Lebanese and I'm half German Irish. My Lebanese side, my great great grandfather
and my great great aunt were now the family wasn't all home, it was
just them. They lived by a reverend Lebanon before they came to America.
And one day this story was told me by my great great aunt. My
mother was helping. You know, she was speaking broken Lebanese, so my
mom helped kind of make it seem like we could have well, we didn't
understand at all, but we got it. She was playing with toys.
She kept noticing out of the corner of her eye, like almost like she
said, it seemed like a shadow a person was walking in the room.
And every time she would look, there was nothing there. So as a
child, you just ignore and you place that I was playing with dolls.
Finally she noticed it for the third time, and when she looked, there
was a dark, all black being walking towards her in that old almost horror
movie, you know, stying with the arms up in the hands out booga
booga, you know, kind of going towards her. With green glowing eyes,
and she started to scream, of course, bloody murder. My great
great grandfather tried to come in their back door, which she told us.
Our doors did not lock, We did not have locks. They'd never close,
right, they would usually open themselves. He could not get in.
He was trying to get into his daughter. Finally he had gotten a cinder
block and hit it so hard enough times that he split it down the middle
enough so he could look with one of his eyes through the crack in the
door, and she told us his side that it turned around and looked at
him and smiled at him, turned back around and started to head towards her.
He finally had kicked the door open and ran over to where they were,
and by the time he got to close enough almost in hands reach of
this being, it dissipated like just like smoke. And she kept saying,
you know, like a word. We didn't understand then, but was saying
gin She was saying a gin ah. And he ended up when he kicked
the door in. The door was he said. He told the family that
he finally got in because the bottom portion of the door had been semi rotted
away from the water being so close to the home he had gotten a large
piece of rotted wood wedged in his leg. He got gangreen and died three
days later. Oh good, So that is a true story goes all the
way back. I don't know if they were farther stories of you know,
paranormal It sounds you know, to me if if you're closing doors, even
if they don't lock in there, you're finding them open all the time.
That's strange to me. So, you know, that is the beginning of
as far back as I am aware of, I have many of them,
the majority on my mother's side, which is the Leman East side cousins that
have all talked about, you know, seeing strange things, beings like ghostly
forms, shadow people. But the real atomic bomb was what happened to me
when I was fourteen years old in Youngstown, Ohio. And that was me
and my friends frequented. You know, Youngster in Ohio used to be one
of the big steel makers in the country. They they were, you know,
big like Pittsburgh even and when the steel industry fell out in America,
Youngstown, Ohio was one of the smaller cities that was hit mega hard by
you know that, And so what happened is through the years, you have
these steel steel buildings, steel making buildings, blast furnaces, other types of
things that just you know, rusting away. And one of my sites that
I still see in my brain now growing up driving over bridges going home or
going to other suburbs outside of Youngstown, was looking at you know that,
that that site of all those steel mill buildings, just rusting away, thinking
about, man, what it must have looked like in its heyday when it
was just roaring away. Now there are three different steel making companies in that
area. Now they're newer companies. They're running. I don't know the name
of all three of them, but where we used to go. Man,
my friends, I had one of There were four of us this day that
happened. It was the second week of June in nineteen eighty seven. We
had just gotten out of eighth grade. I was going to be a freshman
in high school the next year. Funnily enough, I had just done a
documentary that David Wolf from ETS, It's Exposing the Strange, will be releasing
at the end of spring beginning of summer, and he interviewed me about my
experience, and one of the things he said to me as we were wrapping
up. He said, you know, man, he goes, I'm really
curious what the phases of the moon would have been like, you know,
for this one gentleman that's from southern Ohio, his name's Rich mccannliss, who's
had some experiences, and David himself will show a picture of an experience he
had. And I said, well, let me look online. Let me
see. Maybe we can look up what, you know, what phases of
the moony, and lo and behold, if you go on gold go and
Google, of course there's everything. You can look up certain years, weeks,
phases of the moon. And I looked up nineteen eighty seven June,
the second week. It was between Wednesday and Friday when we were there that
day, and it just so happens during those three days full moon, almost
full moon, almost full moon. So take that for what it's worth.
Going back to mythology and were wolves and dogmen, so one of the four
of us actually lived right across the street from the steel mills, and what
we would do is we'd meet at his house. This day. It just
happened to be four. A lot of times there'd be seven, ten,
of us, and it just wouldn't matter what day, four of us this
day, and we went. It would take about a half an hour to
get to the Janet Blast Furnace, which there is actually a video on YouTube
in nineteen ninety seven when it was demolished and taken down. So it lived
all the way to nineteen ninety seven. And we like this area. I
mean, you can just imagine miles of buildings and you know, we we
the Mahoning River. That is something that I'll talk about, you know,
in a little bit of what I believe this thing may have been following.
You always hear about cryptids and supernatural things happening by bodies of water. While
the Mahoning River is a river that goes through Youngstown and surrounding areas. It
also if you go over Google Maps, you could follow the Mahoning River all
the way from downtown on Youngstown in the area where the steel mills were or
are now even the newer and it takes you up to a metro park called
Mill Creek Park. Makes you think, you know, if something was following
that river all the way down to those steel mills and back, definitely a
place something of that type could hide. So we would go down there and
we would be boys. We would just go rummings around, we would go
on adventures. We'd check all these buildings out, very dangerous, dilapidated,
falling apart, running upstairs that some of them would go out from under you.
Thank god, nothing ever happened to any of us. Very dangerous in
Youngstown in the days that I was growing up there. Numerous times through the
years, Youngstown has got unfortunate monikers of Murdertown, USA for numerous times of
you know, most murders in the country per capita. It's not something you
know, that we were proud of, but it's just something that happened.
And during those times, there was a lot of gang violence. You know,
the mafia was still prevalent in Youngstown for many, many years even and
you know, people think they just disappeared with the gangster movies and the forties
and the fifties, and they were still prevalent, and being down there was
very dangerous. You had to watch out for gang members, you had to
watch out for strange cars, you know, dropping off strange things down there,
like you know, sheets filled with something. And we'd stay away from
things like that and you'd hear gunshots down there every once in a while.
But the thing that we really did not want to mess with was wild dogs.
And you have big cities that are in bad shape in America right now,
and people from certain cities now, when you have large areas in cities
with building that are becoming, you know, tenements that they're knocking down,
you get packs of wild dogs that are domesticated animals that might have run away
from home, given birth to pups. These dogs depend on each other.
They run around in large groups five to ten maybe more, and they are
very dangerous. They will kill you. They are not camera fido types of
dogs, and we would watch out for them. So this one area we
went to was again the Jannette Blast Furnace, and we liked this building for
numerous reasons. It gave us privacy. They had these I found out recently
they were called milling shields. They had hundreds of them. They had made
and stored them in this building for whatever reason, that had no stairs up
into it, and we like that because the dogs couldn't get up there if
they came by. And we took a bunch of these milling shields because on
the first floor you had open wall. So obviously to get material in and
out, they had open you know, walls on the first floor. If
you walked into the first floor into the center of the room, you could
look all the way up. There were four floors. They had the centers
cut out of the floors on each additional floor above, so there was like
a half wall you could walk up to on the third floor and look down
and see everything. So we had taken these milling shields and made makeshift walls,
and we'd have fires in the center of this building. Well, the
evening that this occurred, we were just kind of staring into the fire and
we heard these wild dogs and we went outside because they couldn't get up and
get us. So we stood out on this kind of concrete, kind of
dilapidated, falling apart outcropping, and you know, there was a railroad track
that even if you google the picture of old steel Mills Youngster in Ohio,
one of the ones that always pops up is the picture of the Jeanette blast
furnace with this railroad track that shows how close it was to the buildings,
and obviously close for a reason. The faery materials in and out. So
we go out and these dogs run by, I would say seven or more,
and they run right by us. They pay us no attention. Now,
it was after nine thirty pm, fully dark, and these dogs ran
by the building and ran over the railroad tracks. Just beyond the railroad tracks
were big piles of coke, of petty cooke, which they used in the
steel making industry to purify the steel and to make the fires hotter. And
they had giant piles of these, and they ran up one side and down
the other. And what ensued next is when the insanity all started. We
started hearing fighting and biting and barking and yelping, and dogs were literally coming
over the top of this pile of petticoke, being thrown in mid air like
someone or something had grabbed them and thrown them. And one of them was
injured extremely bad, which I was very upset about, bleeding all over the
place. And we're talking dogs being mid air butts towards us, so not
like they were jumping in the air. They were thrown with great force.
We started hearing more yelping and figured out at first we had thought it might
have been them fighting with each other we heard a louder, deeper, more
powerful noise, a roar, and figured out something was over there too.
Not long after the couple were thrown over. The one that was injured got
up and limped away and left the trail of blood. The others went and
ran back the way they came. As we were staring at all of them
running away, We're in total shock. One of my friends says, guys,
what's that over there? And we all turn and roughly I would say
twenty twenty five feet from where we were comes crawls to the top of this
petticoat. Was the biggest largest creature I have ever seen to date. I've
seen every type of animal on the earth. Now I'm not saying elephant size,
but I'm telling you we all compared for years what we thought at least
comparative shape and size of what we saw was. And first we noticed it
was a giant wolf. I mean a giant wolf so large that it looked
and I've said this in every interview I have ever given, and I will
always say it, it looked fake. It looked like like it was fake
out of a movie. It was so large, and I thought I was
dreaming and I started to say, oh, I'm gonna wake up any second,
and this is a dream, but I didn't. And my friends told
me they were thinking the same thing, and they didn't neither. And this
thing was comparatively the size of the biggest polar bear you had ever seen.
It had the same type of build, very lean, very long. The
limbs were long, its back legs were shorter than the front, so it
almost had a stance of like a hyena, where the butt was dropped a
little lower than the chest. And it looked, for all intents and purposes,
like a gigantic monster wolf. And this thing lifted its leg and let
us know that it was a boy, and it marked its territory, which
made us scared. Because it was so large, pieces of this material start
flying in the air. You could audibly hear this thing doing its business,
and it scared my butt that was behind me, and he took a couple
steps back and tripped and fell into that makeshift wall. And then it made
that loud noise of metal on concrete, and we all froze. And this
thing had not noticed us yet. It stopped, it snapped its head and
looked right at us, and the first thing that happened we noticed was the
eyes. The eyes I will take to my grave. They were amber orange
colored. They were like they had a power source behind them. They were
so bright. It was not eyeshine, it was something else. It was
the I always say this now that there were about four very supernatural types of
things connected. This was number one was the eyes. And you could see
the pupils. You could see it looking at us. They was so large,
and it looked down the line at us, and I felt when it's
stopped and it looked right at me, and it looked me up and down,
and it looked to my friend to my left. It felt like it
was looking through you. And then it all of a sudden just roared at
us the loudest I've never heard anything like it. But it had a frequency
to it, almost like if you ever watch a video of crocodiles in water,
you see the water jumping off their back when they do that gurgle roar
that they do in the water. It sounded kind of like that, with
a mix of a bear and a wolf and a lion. And we physically
physically felt it. I felt it go through my chest. I felt things
shake, I almost went down on my knees. I had myself bent over,
but my head up staring at the animal. I did not want to
take my eyes off of it. My other three friends, my best friend,
my rights set. He felt like he was weak. The two on
the end, one was down and was gagging. The other on the other
end said he felt like he was going to pass out. And then it
took one other step towards just the walls of reality shattering, paradigm shift,
and this thing went from four legs to two, doubled its size and height,
and all of a sudden, it took a couple steps, and it
was halfway towards us, and two steps and we were staring for all intents
and purposes, what we had been told our entire lives had not existed is
all myth and comic books and movies and books. It's fake. Monsters aren't
real, and we are staring for real at A werewolf is the only name
we could give it. Then. There was nothing known a dog man back
then, and this thing was gigantic, and we had fumbled our way into
the building because it was coming towards us. And I don't know why,
but we went up to the third floor where we stopped, and we were
looking at the opening to where we had come in, and one of my
friends was completely having a mental breakdown and we had to shut him up.
I almost caused him to pass out because I grabbed him and had my hand
around him. I had lifted him off the ground to shut him up.
And finally we got him to shut up and begged him if we if we
let you go, will you just stop? And he shook his head.
As soon as I set him down, he took a deep breath of air
because he couldn't breathe. And you hear thump, scratch, scratch, scratch,
scratch scratch, the noise of like dogs nails on concrete, and we
all knew immediately what that meant that it was coming in. So it made
its way into this building and we're looking down on it, roughly another I
would say, twenty feet above looking down at it, and this thing was
completely jet black, the largest animal again, back on all fours. The
eyes were shining. It looked, it moved and put its head towards the
wall. It looked towards the wall. It was sniffing the air, and
its eyes caused the far wall to even glow the color of its eyes,
So that's how we knew this was no eye shine. This was something from
internal going on. And this thing had a white stripe going down the back
of its neck all the way to its tail. It had muscles everywhere.
You could see the scapula on its back lifting up and down like a big
cat. It walked towards the fire, and something else supernatural happened. Two
of us noticed that, me and my best friend to my right. It
walked towards the fire, which we had to stand at least fifteen feet at
least away from this fire we had made. It was walking a foot away
from it, did not bother it. It brought its left front arm up
and down, which it had a hand I had noticed, not a paw,
And when it set it down next to the fire, the entire arm
from the bottom of the ground where its hand hit the ground up to its
shoulder went. And if you've seen the movie Predator before, where the being
cloaks, that is what its arm did. It was still visible, you
could still tell that the arm was there, but it was cloaked. It
was almost completely invisible, and the fire did something strange the fire reached out
and and wrapped around the arm, and it made almost like when you look
at the sun video of the Sun of magnetic storms and anomalies on the surface
of the Sun. It had rings going around it, and it had strained
shapes that were jutting out towards its arm. Just for three four seconds and
then it went back to normal. It just went blank. The fire shot
back to where it was, It stopped acting strange, and then all of
a sudden, it was smelling the air and it snapped its head up and
it saw us, and it was foaming at the mouth. It had saliva
dripping down. You could hear it hitting the floor. It got back up
on two legs and it threw its arms out to its side, and it
threw that roar at us, which we had found out was infrasound, which
animals on Earth utilized. That. Predators utilized that to discombobulate their prey.
They use it to jiggle the inside the blood and the other fluids. It
jiggles the organs so that they're out of it, so that they're easier prey.
Whales do it to have their songs heard farther. Elephants can do it
well. This thing had used it on us outside and caused a lot of
confusion and sickness when it did it. Inside the building, we had a
half wall of concrete in front of us and a couple floors of concrete up,
and it was looking up at us. We believe the reason we didn't
get sick again is the concrete buffered that for us. But you want to
talk about loud. We were inside of a building. It was loud outside.
We grabbed our ears, turns our head away and it had literally hurt
our ears when it roared, and it looked at us, and it looked
at the stairs which was to its right, and it looked at us again,
and then it shot down on all fours and ran for those stairs,
and we knew it was coming for us. Two of my friends had ran
out. There was no way down. I ran. If you had one
way out, that was down the stairs. We came up. It was
now coming up those stairs. There was a fire escape outside where from the
second floor down it had rusted and broken and fallen away, so it was
not there. You could take the rest of it to the top of the
roof, and you were stuck up on the roof. My other friend ran
for that. My one friend ran for the stairs outside, ran to the
roof. My other friend ran to the fourth floor, which had a small
set of stairs that led to an access short flight of stairs to the roof
as well. They left. I was frozen solid. I could not move.
I was petrified, so was my friend to my right. And this
thing is running up the stairs so quickly that there's really no way to explained.
And I'm starting to sweat right now, like if we're on if I
was on camera, you would see I usually sweat when I talk about this.
I have physical issues. I start to go back there, and this
thing started coming up, and uh, it got to the point where it
had made its way up to where it was starting to come up the last
flight of stairs where it would reach me. I would be the first person
that would run into and I had not my It wasn't really my life that
flashed before my eyes. It was just an ultra fast thought of my family,
my friends, my dog playing football the next year at the Catholic school
I was going to be going to. My dad had played there. Like
it just happened, like like flipping like cards, real quick, big bing
babing bang, and I realized at that moment that I was going to I
truly mean this, I one hundred percent knew in my heart that I was
going to die. We were all going to be killed, and no one
would ever see us or know what happened to us. Again, and I
was petrified. I could not move, and this thing got within five to
six feet from us, and it tensed up. And I remember, right
this second, I can see it. It had its eyes locked on mine
and its muscles tensed, and it was ready to pounce. And I will
always believe this to the day I die, that I not only have one,
I have multiple guardian angels because there was divine intervention. And just as
that thing was ready to pounce, the train, a train came by the
outside of the building and he laid on his horn. And the only reason
we believe he did that was because we had a very big fire going inside
that building that night, and we think he saw that fire and he just
did it to let people know or whatever. But he had never no train
had ever come by saw us and done that before. Well, there was
a reason this night, and he did it, and he laid on it,
and this animal stopped five to six feet from me. I could see
it clear as day. It was lit up bright as day because of the
fire, and it was doing a back and forth, looking at me,
looking at the opening of the building. It was deciding what to do.
And finally, the last time it looked back forth, back forth. The
third time, it did this real quick double take, and it growled at
me, almost like damn you, and it turned around and it left.
It started to run out of the building, and it made its way down
from where we were on the third floor to the top of the last flight
of stairs which would take it out the building, which was the second floor,
down the first and this is where the last paranormal thing happened. As
it was going down that last set of stairs, it had quickly gone from
You could see every muscle moving. It had very short hair, by the
way, only an inch inch and a half, very almost like it was
groomed. It was clean. I didn't notice any smell, none of us.
You know, people talk about bigfoot and other things stink, and only
smell we noticed was the fire burning. This thing looked like it was taken
care of. It looked like it was clean, and it was just streamline
made for the ultimate predator, and it actually moved beautifully. I know that
sounds strange. One thing I left that when it headed up the stairs,
it did something. It was heading up the stairs, it was turning to
the right, so its right side of its body was going towards the wall
as it was turning to go up the stairs, and its tail, which
looked like a cougar or panther's tail, very thick, super short hair,
had turned to the left, almost like it was utilizing it as a rudder,
like a counterweight as it turned. It was very strange, very noticeable.
Well, as it had gone down and it was leaving this building,
no longer was there any feet hitting stairs. There wasn't any muscles being seen.
It had turned into this basically amorphous black mass of a shadow type of
being. You could still see a little bit of the ears. It had
long ears when it was really you know, noticeable, but all you could
see was a little bit of a muzzle left a couple points on the top
of where ed used to be, and then just kind of these little shapy
things like almost like knubs underneath it where the legs were hitting the stairs.
It turned into a black, amorphous mass and left the building in the blink
of an eye, like you took a flashlight and put your hand in front
of it and went real fast and waved your hand. It just went bow
gone. And this train is going and it is getting farther, and man,
my best friend are screaming, help, please, God, someone help
us. The other two had heard us screaming for help and heard the train
and had made their way down. I'll never forget my one buddy because out
of four of us, only two of us are still alive, and God
rest their souls. And my one buddy that's still alive, who has major
psychological issues to this day. He didn't talk for weeks after the I remember
seeing his face when he came down. I turn and looked at him.
As we're screaming for someone to help us. He had this this half smile
on his face. It was almost like we're going to be saved. We're
going to be saved, Oh my God, and then he started you know,
it was this, but it was just an empty feeling because this train
kept going and going and getting quieter and quieter, and then all of a
sudden, all we could hear is the crackling of the wood in the building,
and all we thought was, this thing is coming back. It's going
to come back in this building, and it's going to kill all four of
us, and we're going to watch each of us be murdered and no one
will see us again. And it didn't come back in, thank god.
But you want to talk about the longest hour and a half of making our
way from the third floor down to the first was the most nightmarish hour and
a half on earth other than what was coming up. And we made it
down to the first floor, and it was now just before me. It
had to be eleven thirty quarter to twelve somewhere in between. And there eleven
thirty midnight where we are fourteen year old boys in no one knows where we
are in Youngstown, Ohio, where police would not be caught at this hour
by themselves, and you have four babies basically down in one of the most
dangerous areas in Youngstown, and it was horrifying, and I finally said we
have to go, We have to go. We kept looking out if we
could see those eyes shining in the distance, and I get kids not out
that we have to go. It's going to come back, and my one
friend who had lost it multiple times is absolutely gone, had he checked out.
All he's doing is screaming, God help us. I just want to
go home. Now, I'm calmly telling you what he's saying. He is,
I want my parents. I just want to go home. God help
us. We're going to have to stay here. It's going to get us.
We can't leave the bill and I finally grabbed him and I said,
you listen to me. You're either going to come with us or you're going
to stay in this building alone, and you're going to die because this thing
is coming back tonight and I won't be here when it comes back, and
neither will they. And he's begging me, Matt, please, please don't
do this. Please, And we said goodbye, I'm leaving. Are you
coming? And we made him. He grabbed the back of my shirt,
in the back of my best friend's shirt, and you know, choking us.
And we pulled his butt from that building. And now that was the
worst because it took a half an hour to get from the Jeanette blast furnace
to my buddy's house who lived across route for twenty two. Youngstoin Warren Road
in Youngstown, which was the main highway strip that separated his house from the
still Mill entrance. And we heard every rock week kicked. Every time we
heard any noise leaves the wind pick up. We would stop and look to
see if this thing was coming behind us. And we made it to the
last part, which when we would enter this area you could enter standing up.
You would go down this huge mountainous hill of just like gravel like driveway
gravel almost, and you would turn your your feet kind of sideways and walk
down standing up. But you couldn't do that standing up leaving you had to
go up on all fours. Now ninety five percent of the time when this
wasn't this event, we would laugh at each other. We would make fun
of each other because everyone would always have it give out, but beneath them
you'd slide. Ah man, everyone, haha, you want a nightmare?
Screaming is it behind us? Is it behind me? Is it behind me?
Losing your footing. We finally exhaustingly got to the top, pouring sweat,
covered in dirt, crying our eyes out, horrified. Made it.
Me and my one friend made it to the top. We laid on our
stomachs and stuck our arms out to help our last two buddies get up,
and we got across the street finally to his house. His family wasn't home,
and we drank water from his hose. I always say this. I
don't know why. I just remember drinking the water from the hose, and
I got sick. I drank so much, and I just kept drinking and
drinking. My mind was just I just kept seeing this thing staring at me.
And we all drank, and then we sat. I sat on the
porch, another sat on the stairs. Two sat in the yard and you
could see the tip of the Jeannette last furnace from his yard, but again
it was so far away you couldn't see the actual place. So we just
sat there. I mean, I bet it was forty five minutes. We
sat there, and we did not say a word. We were in shock
and we just stared, and finally we realized, my god, I mean,
it's got to be one o'clock in the morning. They must think we're
dead. So we made it to my best friend's house, where his dad
was waiting for us with his mom, and we walked in. He didn't
expect to see all four of us and saw us completely falling apart, a
mess, and he went nuts on us, where have you been? What
is going on? What did you do? Who did you do it too?
He thought we got in trouble. We were being chased, you know,
like we we like robbed somebody or something, and we told them what
happened. I guess wasn't going to expect that we were We saw a werewolf.
Yeah, correct, And that's what we started saying. We saw this
creature down and we were in the steel mills. And he really went off
about that. What do you mean you were down the steel mills? He
worked for the city. I'm not going to out my buddy. He passed
away. I'm not going to out his dad. It's not hard any of
my friends and people that here that they know who my best friend was,
they know what his dad did. He was basically in charge of everything.
He knew where we were. When we told him, he actually didn't even
react. And we told him the creature we saw. His mom called us
crazy and went to bed and basically in a nutshell. Not getting all of
the other details. You can get all the details you want. There's two
videos. I recommend The most extremely detailed interview ever given is by my good
friend Josh Ninochio. His channel is what Lurks Beneath. I did an interview
there. It's got almost two million views in five months. Then on my
channel Planet four twelve, my very first video, the true story of Matt
apsh You'll get a lot of it, but basically in a nutshell. A
week later, my buddy got his dad cornered, and his dad told him,
for all intents and purposes, that he knew what we were talking about.
That officers had gotten calls about this thing before or one like it,
some of them had even seen it, and that there are workers and people
down there that have seen this thing. Now, there were also homeless people
that frequented that downtown area. There were two that died in a three year
span that when this occurred for us, and there was rumor that he even
said that we're not even sure if this thing killed those two homeless people.
They told everybody it was the dogs, but he thinks that it was something
else. So he threatened us, along with my father, who showed up.
And you want to talk about scared, and you know ken you know,
he's no longer here my dad's name was Ken. Getting a call Matt's
here at almost two a m. And he walked in, and you know,
it was a mess, and it was insane, and I I really
had major issues. I still to this day have issues dealing with it.
I sought out the priest at my church and I'll even say the name of
it. I'm half Lebanese. It's a Maronite Catholic church called Saint Marin's in
Youngstown, Ohio. I went to talk to the priest to tell him what
happened. I fully expected him to not believe me, and he one hundred
percent believed me and told me, Matthew, and this is like quote Matthew,
Sometimes things bleed into our universe and our reality. Sometimes we come across
them, and sometimes we don't, and if we do, occasionally they come
after us. He mentioned people being possessed and having the groups from Rome,
the top notch exorcisms that they have that are sent to the four corners of
the world. And he believed that what we saw was a demon and that
is what happened that night in the steel mills of Youngstown, Ohio. Thank
God, there was some confirmation from other people that they had seen something.
I mean that in the midst of all the terror and the fear, that
must have been something that was at least slightly positive. It was, you
know, and since I've come out, you know, I had planned on
taking that to the grave. You know. They really put the fear of
Goddess. My dad, his dad. You know, you guys are going
to the Catholic school. We went to a high school called Youngstown Ursuline High
School, a Catholic school and you know, really really good private school with
incredible education in athletics. And I couldn't wait the plays, like you think
that that coach will want a crazy football player who saw where we would they
put the fear of Goddess not to talk about this, that we would be
the jokes of Youngstown to where old bag men walking the streets talking to ourselves.
That's the image they portrayed to us. They were so afraid of us
telling everybody and then other people going down there and being killed, not just
because of this thing, because the buildings were falling apart. We'd be in
buildings sometimes and you get giant widow maker pieces of concrete that would drop from
the ceiling. We were not supposed to be there. And you know what
happened in April of twenty twenty two is I've had thirty surgeries in my lifetime.
I've had a near death experience where I had an incredible near death experience.
I had my right leg amputated in April of twenty twenty two. I
had many surgeries on my knee from football. My career was ended prematurely because
of surgeries to my leg damaging. I was alignment. I have loopus advanced
loopus, which has caused issues with having surgeries in the surgeries not healing right,
so other surgeries have to happen. And then here we are thirty thirty
later, and I had complications to a couple and they had to take my
right leg below the knee, and I had the artery blow not long after
the amputation because I had phoned a couple times in an opening had formed,
the sutures had torn, and I bled out with in my wife's front seat
of her car with my fourteen year old daughter at the time in the back
seat, and my heart stopped for over ninety seconds on my way to the
hospital, and I saw my mother and father. My dad died eleven years
ago from pancreatic cancer, and my mother died five years ago, ironically to
advanced loopus, and I bled out. I remember telling my it says,
there's a longer story to this, but but I bled out. In the
car they finally got you know, people were helping a doctor had pulled over
people. There was an ex combat medic at the gas station we pulled into.
They were trying to get it to stop. And I lost over two
and a half pints of blood in the car and lost consciousness on the way
of the hospital. My heart stopped for over ninety seconds, and I remember
telling my wife and daughter before I lost consciousness, I knew I was dying,
and I told them I'm sorry, and I'll always remember hearing my daughter
screamed, daddy, and no, my wife saying, Matt, no,
no, no. I saw black and I was standing, I had my
leg I was not looking at a bright light or anything like that. I
was in a big field and there were thousands of people around me, facing
me, turned away, looking in other directions, and they were all one
hundred percent of them, like a camera out of focus. I could not
see any of them, just that there were people there. Some were staring
right at me, and I got an immensely strong feeling to look over my
right shoulder. I turned over my right shoulder and I saw, I saw
my mom and dad and it was them. And I'm telling you, I
don't want to die, but I know for a fact that there is something
after we go. And it was my mother and father, and I hugged
and kissed them and said, how is this possible? And my dad didn't
talk, he just smiled and put his arm around me. He's a big
guy like me, six foot four and then a big burly guy. And
my mother's little she was a little four foot nine Elevenese woman, and she
was staring at me, and I told her, how is this possible?
How is this possible? And I'm bawling and she actually started crying and I
said, I miss you. I love you. She said, we miss
you and love you too, honey. I kept saying, repeating, how
is this possible? And she just said, honey, we love you,
and she said the old line you hear everybody here. We're so happy to
see you, baby, but you can't stay. You have to go.
And I got angry and I said I won't say what I said, I
said, Bowl, you know what, I'm not going anywhere. You need
to explain to me. How is this possible that I am seeing you two
here? And I had this extreme sense of just I wanted to stay,
and she said it's not your time. You have to go. And I
argued, and she touched my right cheek my left cheek with her right hand,
and I saw a flash of light. And I was laying on the
operating table at Trumbull Memorial Hospital where the general surgeon is a woman. Oh
geez, please let me remember her name. Oh well, I can't remember
her name. I feel horrible right now. But the surgeon was standing over
for me and she put her hand on my forehead. I was shaking horribly
from the blood loss, and she told me, we're going to try and
take care of you. Little did I know they had just told my wife,
Stacy, that they probably will never see me again. So I survived.
I lived. That really happened, and that is the number one reason
that I decided to tell the experience. It just you know, I said,
I'm not going to hide this anymore. You know, this is something
that's real. These type of beings exists. It's not fake. It's not.
It's not mythology. It really occurred, and I'm going to talk about
it. And I have since then have countless people that have contacted me in
every way possible, and the majority of the people that I've gotten contacted by
are people that are older in their lives that have said to me, thank
you so much for doing this. I was going to take it to my
grave what had occurred to me. And because of what you did, I
am going to tell my experience to people as well. And I have been
in contact with people that have worked down there that have said to me that
they have had experiences down there that they've heard growling in the in the forest
area. They've seen strange lights like orange orbs, two of them, which
again, think of the eyes. I was going to ask about what you
know in these areas. Sometimes it's not just cryptids. There's other things that
happen so there they are orbs and so forth, and anything else that people
have witnessed down there. Yeah, Guys that have have called and told me
on messenger on Facebook messenger, are you the Matt emsh you know from Youngstown,
Ohio dog man story? Yes, I am, you know, I
just want to tell you I work security. This was just a few months
ago down you know where it is now, and you know, we have
been paralleled by something in the woods down there. When we're doing our rounds
by the railroad tracks. Where we start to walk, it walks, we
stop, it stops. We've heard deep growling. We've seen two orange colored
orbs just inside the tree line. And then when we go to try and
investigate, you hear something running away and it's gone. So definitely I have
been contacted. I've also been contacted by an ex Youngstown police officer who I'm
trying to at least do an interview with me where I can at least,
you know, hide him. He's not ready for it yet, he said,
give me some time. But you know that's not something usually police officers
do. So I have had numbers of people reach out and uh it really
as you had said before, it must make me feel better. You cannot
imagine what I felt when my best friend told me that his dad knew what
we were talking about. Oh yeah, that's that's amazing. Let's pause for
just a second. I want to do a station identification. You are listening
to the high strangeness factor copyrighted on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Today we
are talking to Matt emsh about his bizarre cryptid encounter, dog Matt Encounter and
other experiences. Uh Andy, Susie, you guys still there? Yes,
I think I think we're all all blown away. Do you guys have any
questions for Matt at this point? My god, where'd you begin? Incredible
experience? So all four of you all saw this, whatever it is,
I believe from everything, yes, and all four saws. From everything I
have done research to this day and everything that I've learned till now. You
can imagine since me starting my channel plan at four twelve, the number of
people have reached out and the research over the years one hundred percent. What
we saw was what they call it dog Man. Yes, and we all
four saw it. That is absolutely incredible. If you were saying one point
there about the ardea of this coming from another reality, which has always been
my position this sort of thing is occasionally these things sort of bleed across from
other realms of existence, rather than sort of the classic demon from hell or
whatever. This is that kind of being that Again, I've said this before.
They've present themselves in certain ways that we can relate to and understand,
and so it's interesting that it came in that particular form. I mean,
I suppose my question would be, would you say it was predetermined that was
what it looked like, or that it could take other forms to other people?
You know what's it's funny you bring that up. Very good. I
applaud you. You know. One of the things I've been talking a lot
on my show with people is there is a young lady who had an experience
with a dog man in the eighties in Wisconsin by I'm sure everyone will recognize
it, Bray Road, the Brave Road Beast. She went to a summer
camp and she saw a dog man across a pond, and not the smartest
thing to do the next night, kind of like what the people in the
horror movies do they do what no one really should. She went off by
herself and she went to the area where she saw this dog man. And
when she went into the area, she was looking around and lo and bee,
she notices a big basketball sized red orb floating in the exact same area
and she starts, it's moving away from her, and she said, it
just looked like it was just indiscriminately floating. And she starts to walk after
it and steps on a branch and snap, this thing stops. And she
said, even though it was the same around, it seemed like it stopped
and turned and looked at her. And then as it looked at her,
she started to walk towards it, and it jutted real quick and zip zip
zip app gone, And she had the thought in the belief and I do
too, that this was the same being. I think that some of these
things have the ability to change into different forms. And I'm not talking skin
walker here. I'm talking beings like you just mentioned. They're coming from parallel
worlds, other dimensions, which I firmly believe this creature came from. I
don't think it was There was no sign of natural anything. And I think
that it has the ability to, for whatever you know, reason or purpose,
if the people maybe that are looking at it, to look into their
their hearts and minds and say, well, this is the form that would
really scare the hell out of them. You know, I'm going to use
this, yes, absolutely, absolutely, Oh go ahead, Erdy. I
was just going to say, it seems to be a lot of my own
reasearch suggested quite a common thing that a ball of lights the first thing you
notice a specificant way of then it's often changed to something else, or the
ball like itself becomes is just scary. Even it's just a light, it's
something about the light itself is very very frightening and uncomfortable. And then yeah,
what happens. It takes something from our subconscious and because the form into
something if it's trying to sort of scare or maybe scared or just try to
keep get you to keep the hell away from it, so it becomes something
terrifying to you, so you won't approach it. But it wants you,
want to keep you the distance anyway, So that's why it does it.
But what you describe it straight of a horror film, it's amazing. It
was unreal. And when your friend slipped and made that noise, I mean,
that's classic horror film screenplay stuff. It was a moment that all of
us like, we can laugh about it now, but when he did it,
even the creature it snapped, it said, and everybody, it was
a frozen and dime moment. It did not know we were there. It
had us. It had a split moment of whoa, Where the heck did
these guys come from? You know, like and we all went, you
know, and oh no, hey, here we go drive through a restaurant.
Yes, yes, yes, I have a question. A lot of
people, uh feel that these things, while they accept their existence, are
firmly believe that they are flesh and blood and are uncomfortable with the high strangeness
aspects. Have you gotten any pushback from anybody because your situation. I mean,
when you talk about this thing transforming into sort of an amorphous shadow or
block, I mean obviously that's outside the realm of flesh and blood. Absolutely,
And I've had you know, you can imagine, you know, the
thousands of letters that I've gotten, our comments on Planet four twelves, email
and just on videos I've done. We're people, you know, they give
their own opinion, and I always say the same thing everyone. I respect
everyone's right to their own opinion. I believe that there are different kinds of
beings out there. I think there are some dog men that are of a
natural sort that don't have any paranormali at ease or anything. Maybe the government
got their hands on one of these and did some mojo or just like the
Soviet Union did in World War Two where they were trying to make a super
soldier, and they were trying to combine apes with human DNA. You hear
about the monkey Man in India where their country was supposedly trying to combine like
baboon DNA with human DNA to make super soldiers. Who knows what our government
has done and created. So I fully respect some people saying that, oh,
that it's got to be natural, But if you would have seen what
we saw, you would know for a fact there's no question it was nothing
else but supernatural. And I have had countless people reach out to me telling
me of their Now I will say two things. Anyone that knows me well,
I say, experiences for things that I believe can be or are true,
and stories for things that are just you know, now you can say
a story is a true story, too, I separate them. So I've
heard a lot of cringe worthy stories, and I've heard some very very convincing
experiences that are similar in some ways to what I've heard. This thing,
I forgot to mention, had had hands, very huge, giant hands that
looked like that look like raccoon hands. That's the exact same shape they were,
but just giant. If you go to a channel called Sketching Encounters by
Sabylla Irwin, amazing human being. I worked with her for over a year.
She's a graphic artist, sketch artist. And if you want to know
what I saw, the best way to compare. And you know, obviously
we can't go back in time and take pictures, But if you go to
Sybylla Irwin's YouTube channel Sketching Encounters and my videos on there, you will see
basically what I saw with my friends. You know, I've been out to
Lee Hample's farm, and of course Lee Hample is just a stone show from
Bray Road, and you know the story. Yes, and another friend of
the show, a lady that's a a guest co host, Brandy, and
I saw a couple times were there and saw this incredible show of photographs,
thousands of anomalies he's captured on film, where you've got strange technology in the
air, you've got some kind of beast on the ground that acts like a
beast, eats roadkill, eats bait, but it's somehow cloaked for the most
part, with these cameras and the and the footprints show up in the middle
of nowhere split into two. I mean, it's just just bizarre. And
when we were there that night, a Brandy's truck started the lights started to
flash, but it was parked there at the farm, like as if you
were hitting a lock unlock remote button. And even she said when she went
to the motel she stayed at it's one of these where the doors right on
the outside with the window, and her truck was by the window. The
thing was flashing off and out all night, just from being on Lee Hample's
farm. So that and by the way, Susie, do you want to
get in here and ask any questions? So I did do a little bit
of homework before the show, and I think that Youngstown might qualify as a
window area. Definitely a high strangeness area. Agree. I found all kinds
of stories there are. It seemed to be a lot of strange occurrences there.
There's several paranormal groups based there. There are UFO sightings, there are
Indian burial mounds which can see in a lot of other strange places. An
episode of The Dead Files was filmed there and compared to the population, there
also seems to be not an extreme amount of missing persons, but like just
enough to make it a little bit suspicious to me. So I agree.
And we all know Ohio is a place of strangeness anyway, but Youngstown specifically
seems to to draw the strange in. I agree with you. And just
to add a little bit to what Susie's great job there she did, I
looked up also. You know a lot of people talk about lay lines throughout
the country and and how lay lines go underneath areas in the country of extreme
high strangeness, like talking about Skinwalker Ranch. You know a lot of comparative
things happen at Skinwalker Ranch and at the farm by Bray Road. And I'm
jealous by the way that you were there and you were able to get that.
I'd love to go there someday. Well, we were able to talk
to the Bucks County crew. They stayed at out there overnight. You can
see it on their YouTube video. They saw a strange light moving the sky
that zipped across the sky. They saw a mist forming. I don't know
if it's like the ones Lee Hample saw. It could have been natural conditions.
But then when you listen to this tape, you're here howling like on
either side. And you know, I'm no expert on animal howls, but
it's creepy as hell. And they also they saw eyeshine about six feet off
the ground and they were all freaking out. Eric said that, you know,
he usually doesn't get unnerved at these places, but he wanted to get
the hell out of there. And Dominic, who's the sensitive. I said,
Dominic, what were you feeling? And he said, I felt like
I was underwater in a shark tank holding the bait. That's something that seems
to be a continuing thread with these dog man sightings, that there's some kind
of a sort of an evil aura or intent there not always and kind of
separate from Bigfoot. I would say, but I don't know if And obviously
with your experience, Matt, I think the uh, that kind of a
I don't know, atmosphere seemed to exude from the creature. Yeah it did,
you know, we were actually you know, people always talk a lot
about, you know, when when high strangeness situations occur, that it can
be you know, they talk about frequency and people getting with them. Because
we have this veil that's right in front of us, and everybody needs to
realize that, you know, we are just a frequency away from being able
to see other beings and other places, and this veil is always so close
to being pushed away in front of our eyes. Everything on the planet Earth
has a frequency, and sometimes we match the same frequency. And that night
when we were kind of zoning out, we were kind of in that mindset.
Well, we've all been there where you're staring at a fire and you
kind of just zone out and you don't talk. That's what we were doing.
And then when this started to occur, right when the dogs ran by
and we started this, it's this extremely heavy feeling sense of dread started to
happen, you know, like something's not right here, this feeling of we
need to get out of here so absolutely, And you know, I wanted
to say two last things here before someone else says something. Speaking of the
lay lines, I had mentioned lay lines I've looked at about Ohio. They
run through Ohio, I believe in two spots, but one area that cuts
straight through the middle of Columbus, Ohio and right through northeast Ohio, right
through Youngstown. So for Susie, uh, there's another shot right there.
You know, if if you guys have ever watched Expedition X with Josh Gates,
uh, and then Jessica Chobought and the other guy's names Phil. They
did a two parter where they were at the farm and you know they actually
have filmed, uh, right outside Lee Hample's farm of that Jessica chow Bought
her crew caught of with with infrared of some type of wolf creature in hiding
staring at them and it definitely wasn't a small animal. That was an amazing
experience. And then I finally want to finish saying one last thing. Doctor
Mashburn was the surgeon who saved my life. It just popped back in my
head. I just will good give her credit. Uh yeah, the uh
it was. It was amazing. Lee hamp We I did a show with
him and did several shows actually with the Bucks County guys and and Lee Hample
and it was just fascinating. Now he also he's had he lives right now
on a too Linge. He's had a lot of deer kills there and so
his what he would do is haul them onto his property, set up a
trap camera and you you look at the time stamp, you'd see this myst
roll in at some point and then the mist is gone and the carcass is
gone, and there's no drag marks and no footprints. And this has happened
at least a dozen times. Originally, I love to hear him tell the
story when he first, You know, he's retired. He's a mathematician and
a chemist. He's a scientist, and he doesn't you know, he said
that if he had, if he had read Linda Godfrey's books before he experienced
any of this, he would have thrown him in the trash. But when
he when he first, he's producing hay on his farm. You know,
he's in his retirement. He's having fun being productive. And some of the
locals said, hey, you know there's a wear wolf that lives back in
those woods there, and he's looking at them like, are you crazy?
And then some credible people were telling him about what they'd seen, and then
he saw it. He has seen it at least a couple of times.
He's even had missing time. You talk about a high strangest area, called
it a window area of vortice or whatever it is. It is just bizarre.
And he keeps a lot of these photographs close to his vest. He
hasn't let them all out, but I guess he's got some pretty amazing photographs
of this thing. But you know, they've even got hair samples of this
thing. There's no medulla in it. It's almost like these things are construct
somehow created by this intelligence or whatever to scare people away. I know that's
crazy, but I don't think it's crazy at all, Not after what I
saw. I believe that anything is possible. Well if if they if that's
their purpose, I think they failed miserably because everybody seems to be flocking there
to try and get a look at this thing. But it's just it's just
totally bizarre. Uh, Susie Andy, Any other questions, Susie, I
am curious, Matt if you're still in touch with your your you said one
only one person left is living. Are you still in touch with them at
all? And how there are I am? I am? I I speak
with him probably once every couple of weeks. We check in. He has
been keeping a close eye on Planet four twelve. He I'm not going to
say the business he has because I don't want to, you know, out
them. You know everyone always says, do you ever think your friend will
come out and will sit by your side. He I'm gonna say. He's
broken down quite a few times, apologizing that he hasn't done that yet,
and he promises he will, and I know he will. He just owns
a very, very successful company. He said. The last thing I need
right now is to have high clients. And we're talking. He gets into
like multimillion dollar deals with companies and what he does, you know, and
he said, sometimes I'll be in other countries. He said, I just
got back from Taiwan a month ago. He says, he, you know,
I can't have I get to this meeting to sign a multimillion dollar deal
and then they say, well, you know, we hear that you saw
a werewolf and before we signed the paper. So he said, I just
I'm sorry, and he wouldn't. He cried, saying this, I'm sorry.
You're doing this alone. He said, I promise you. I promise
you when I retire, I will be right there by your side. And
I have no doubt. I have no doubt at all. I'm not worried
about the the validity of myself. I've had countless now doctor's psychiaty trists,
counselors, I'm sure you all know who Adam Davies is. He's big and
he is a good friend of mine. He used to be a professional court
cross examiner. I have him that have all gone and put their PhDs on
the line and said, you know my professional opinion as a human behavioral PhD.
Or Adam who said, I watched your interview he says, I see
no reason not to believe you. I have statements from PhDs saying I have
shown zero, not a little bit. Maybe yes, he's shown some signs
of belief, but one hundred percent, Matthew has shown zero signs of lying
or deception. And there are multiple that I have proof of these people.
They've sent messenger messages on what lurks beneath my buddy Dominic Josh Ninocchio for again,
I keep bringing up the one interview I did on his because it's gotten
the most loud noise. It's almost a two million views in five or six
months, and there's fifty thousand plus comments on there, and that's where a
lot of these PhDs have made their comments known, and they're on there.
You can look through them and find them, and that is something more important
to me than just about anything else of people. And I care when people
say I believe you trust me, that means something. But when a PhD
comes out and stands by me, that really is like thank you. You
know, I appreciate that. That helps. Well. I think a lot
of people don't come forward with their stories because they think that no one will
believe them. And it must have been comforting to you when that priest that
you talk to believed you right off the bat. It sounded like he might
have had some experiences or seen or her. He did give me an immense
you know, relaxation right off the bat. And I did here, I
did. I didn't ask him, but he did give me looking as an
adult years later, you know, just the way that he had put that
that statement to me. You know, sometimes things like this bleed through our
reality and sometimes we see them, sometimes we don't when we come across them,
either something nothing at all can happen or something what happened to you?
So yeah, it helped immensely, and especially to a child who you know,
I was someone us said, well, you were a teenager. Well
fourteen, let's all be honest, guys, fourteen years old is a baby.
And you know I cannot imagine a seasoned thirty year US Navy seal being
able to go through what the four of us went through that night and not
have nightmares from that. And bizarre. Yeah, my son is fifteen and
I can't imagine him going through that right now. And bizarre that it's in
a an urban area. The one other dog man encounter I know of Kim
Poppy from Wisconsin, when she was about seven years old. She was on
Monster Quest by the way, undergoing what was it? I think she had
regressive hypnosis and they put the light detector on her, which she said was
killing her arm. But she was about seven years old and she saw this
thing upright Canaan walking down the city street right in the Milwaukee area. So
I didn't see that. Yeah, that's quite some time ago. She's been
on my show and I know her and a very very credible lady, and
she recounted the experience under hypnosis and passed a light detector test. So and
a lot are credible. Now, that's the thing that's upsetting to me is
you know, and I think it's slowly been changing. I think it's a
lot these days because you know, because people like Susie's doing this, I'm
doing it, our friends are doing it, You're doing it, Adam's doing
it. You know, there is a lot more because of technology and social
media and entertainment that we are able to hear these people. And they're not
all crazy people, very credible, intelligent, you know, well spoken and
well to do, people that are successful in life, and just because they
saw something incredible doesn't automatically make them crazy. And so I like the way
that the paradigm is shifting in that direction, so that people are getting the
ability to come out and then give their account not have to fear all the
time that the world's going to make fun of me. And Duosy is off
occasionally exploring the Bridgewater Triangle area with feet on the ground. Yes, that's
an amazing area. I'd love to see it sometime. Come on out and
visit. Well, I will, absolutely. I have had you know,
I've had you had mentioned to me, you know what I would like to
talk about myself, and you know, I'm sure we're starting to run down
on time here for your show, but you know, I've had other things
happen to me. You know, I had a dreamscape dream people had asked
me if I have ever seen anything like that before. About seven or eight
months ago, I had it's called a dreamscape dream, whereas the realist,
most incredible dream I've ever had in my life. I believe it's more than
a dream. And I've been reached out by people who also have said you
didn't have a dream. You were reached out to by the being long story
very short. You know you have your dreams where in your dream you know
you're at home, but ninety nine percent of the time it's usually not your
house, but in your head it's your house. Well, I was at
my house, in my house, in my backyard. If you could look
out where I'm looking right now, I see the woods in my backyard,
and I went out by my my fence that separates the woods from my backyard,
and I was hearing noises and I was attacked by something thrown on the
ground. I felt in this dream my my wind was knocked out of me.
I noticed something on top of me was attacking or biting at my right
leg, which is the leg I lost, ripped the pant leg from my
leg, wrapped its teeth around the prosthetic, took it off of my leg
and threw it with its mouth into the woods, crawled on top of me,
put its head not but a quarter inch from my forehead. It was
the exact same thing that I saw when I was fourteen years old. I
could smell it. It smelled like a horse or a cow. It actually
dripped saliva in my mouth. I tasted a saltiness. It was as real
as me talking to my family. And the next thing that happened was when
it put its head. Its eyes were right next to mine, glowing.
It did not move its mouth, but I heard a voice. It was
an almost synthesized sound, a very deep, growy voice that said, I
came for you all those years ago. You speak of me too much.
I will see you soon. And then I woke up and I was soaking
wet. I was sweating sitting in my chair where I watched TV. My
puppy, had you guys heard earlier, had her paws on my legs,
with her ears down and her tail all the way between her legs. She
was whining at four four thirty in the morning. She knew something was going
on. We always hear the stories of animals and that sixth sense that they
have with supernatural. And I know I am telling you right now that was
not a dream. That was something else. It's almost like one of those
remote viewing experiences that becomes manifest. Sometimes they tune in so clearly that they
actually can feel the experience. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I told
my wife because I was so messed up from and she does not. You
have to understand my wife, Stacy is sunshine and rainbows, and she says
I am darkness and thunderstorms. You know, she said, you deal with
that. I don't want to hear about it. Please don't bring it here.
I don't want that thing. Don't tell me about it. I don't
want to know about it. And I had if you know, if anybody
watches, please I would appreciate anybody to support my channel. But if you
go to Planet four twelve, the second video I ever released is you won't
believe what happened in Beaver Creek. Beaver Creek State Park is in East I
believe East Liverpool or East Palestine, now East Liverpool, Ohio. It is
in Columbia, a county which just so happens to be where they got the
recording of the famous Ohio howe that you hear all over the internet the Sasquatch
screen. That's Columbiana County, Ohio. It was at Beaver Creek State Park
where they got that. Beaver Creek is known for tons of high strangeness,
go supernatural, Bigfoot, and it just tons Doctor Rush Jones, if you
know who he is, he's all over TV. He has a show.
They've gone there, him and his partner Brad, and they have forty five
minutes of almost identical Sierra sound recordings, just like mister Ron Morehead did.
Really but yes, done at Beaver Creek State Park in Ohio. And I
went there last year for a Bigfoot conference. The night before, I went
to this campsite where the people who were going to be speaking were and I
was approached by a psychic. His name's Johnny Freeman. He's on Facebook.
You can look him up and ask him if this is a true story.
And he came up to me. I'd never met this guy in my life.
He came up to me and grabbed my arm, which you don't do
to a guy from Youngstown, and I said, can I help you,
sir? He said, I'm sorry mean to bother you. He said I've
never seen an aura like yours before. My name's Johnny Freeman. I'm a
psychic. And you know right away, I'm like, okay, what do
you need? He said, I don't want to bother you, but something
is telling me you need to go up that trail. There was a trail
that takes you up to where there is supposed to be a portal that Bigfoot
and other supernatural beings utilized in Beaver Creek State Park. And I had just
had my left knee replaced. I had, you know, a crutch on,
I have a you know, I have a prosthetic that I wear on
my other leg. And I laughed at him. I said, you know,
I just had my knear in place. Plus you know, look here,
and I showed him. He said, you do what you want with
it. He said, I'm just telling you that something is telling me that
you need to go up there. And I thought about it for a while
and I did it. And it took me grueling thirty forty minutes to get
up to the top. And I got up to the top and I was
hurting and soaked, and I kept talking out loud. You know I'm here.
I mean you no harm please come see me, speak to me.
Nothing occurred. But then right before I headed down, because it was getting
dark, I heard nothing except the stream, which was about two hundred feet
down to my right. It got ultra quiet in the middle of the woods,
and I went, oh boy, here we go. I've heard the
stories of how it gets quiet. And I start getting nervous, thinking I'm
gonna see. Just prepare yourself. You've been through it that come on.
And I didn't see anything. But before I left, I said, I'm
gonna do one more thing, took my phone out and I got the digital
recorder going, and I started asking questions. And if you go and you
watch that video on Planet for twelve, you will hear and mister Ron Moore
had himself, who's a friend of mine, and you'll see an interview of
his coming up on my channel in the coming month. He listened to it
three times at a conference I was at when I met him for the first
time last year in Dallas Fort Worth, and his opinion, amongst many other
reachers researchers, is that I got a grunt and two sets of four wood
knocks, which were answers to questions that I had asked out loud. I
did not hear these noises with my own ears. It only came out on
the recording. And there's a there's a cryptid podcast called Cryptid Creatures Todd Eerie
and Brian Brock. I had given them the copy of this recording I made
because it was hard to hear the grunt at first, and they got the
sound boosted. So when you listen to it, you will hear that grunt,
and then you'll hear these two sets of four wood knocks, and the
second set of four wood knocks. I ask how many of you are there?
And there were four wood knocks. And the first thing you hear on
there when I say thank you for letting me be in your home and in
your woods, you hear woo. And it's very very clear it is not
me. So check that out if you want to see another experience I had.
It was really mind blowing and I was so thankful that it happened to
me. Definitely different than the dog man experience. But look in the Beaver
Creek, guys. You will see just by googling Beaver Creek State Park in
Ohio, how much stuff goes on there, and especially the Bigfoot, the
bigfoot stuff. So if you look up, like I said, doctor Russ
Jones, and he has a partner. His name is Brad. I can't
think of his last name. They have a YouTube show his partner. Brad
has forty five minutes of Sierra Sound like recordings. And they interviewed me two
times. There's a two parter on their channel with me. They did my
dog Man experience and we talked about Beaver Creek and that's when they let me
know that they spend a lot of time there and all of the recordings that
they have there. And he actually in my interview for the second one about
Beaver Creek, does Brad play I think he plays two minutes of some of
his recordings. So it's really incredible. And you know, and I believe
that there are just some people. You know, for my whole life,
from the time I was a child, I have always noticed details things that
other people don't, always been able to pick up on things that other people
don't, or read people in the blink of an eye, or go from
my gut feeling. Ninety five percent of my life. If I go from
my gut feeling, I'm right. I just think some people, for some
reason have. I don't know. They just are more sensitive to things than
other people. I'm not saying I'm special or anything like that. I just
I don't know why. I just have an ability to attract things. We'll
Steve for a second. It's because Steve muted itself. Yeah, please go
ahead and say, I absolutely agree with what you're saying there about I think
one of the things I've noticed over the years is the more you investigate things,
the more since if you become to things and more be aware, you
become I used to be involved lot of ghost investigation since I worked for an
events company and we'd have people to come along to events over and over again,
and they definitely felt that they felt experienced and saw more the more often
they did the events, unless, of course, you're Steve, in which
case you can go to a million events still see absolutely nothing. So precisely
precisely, I'm the special guy in the other direction that experiences almost nothing.
Well, maybe we can change that, Maybe we could all get I've been
trying for years. I've been trying me. I was. I was actually
at Beaver Creek a few years ago with a bunch of big roles and for
several hours, and it was pretty cool. They've they've had some they've heard
things out there. Of course when I was there, we heard nothing.
But but but because Steve's meant to remain an objective observer so he can document
other people's experiences, that you could it could be because I have such a
phenomenally high i Q that I block out everything. Of course that's kind of
unlikely. Thank you Susie for me. Well, Matt, this has been
a fantastic show. I can't thank you enough, and thank you also for
sharing your personal story about your near death experience. You're very welcome. It
was an absolute honor. You know, I've done thirty plus interviews so far
in my life, and this was one of my favorites I've ever done.
I really enjoyed doing it with all of you. Well, I think we
all enjoyed it. And please tell people how to see you and how to
contact you. Oh well, you can see me at Planet four to twelve
on YouTube. You could write me at my email you spelled out p l
A n E t f O you R tw E l ve E gmail dot
com. I tried to get the easy one. It was taken. But
if you just go on to that YouTube page can reach me through there.
You can find me on Facebook and hit me up on Messenger if you want
to tell me about your experiences and you know, just I'd appreciate if you
guys would would go to Plant four twelve and just support me and subscribe and
check out all my videos and let me know what you think. There's some
new formats that are getting ready to be started very soon, very exciting,
and there's something that is getting put together for the summer that I'm hoping Susie
will be joining myself and some of us with that. I am going to
be telling her about soon. So that's how you can find me, and
you can also find me, I'm sorry on Western Reserve Radio dot com.
Every Wednesday from six to seven pm, I flip the switch, I turn
into radio broadcast or I have a show called Just Football with Matt empsh and
During the Football, which will actually start this year for me on June first,
because I'm going to be color commentating for Youngsound got a new semi pro
football team, the Mahoning Valley Federals. I will be we are the official
radio station for them. So I'm going to have a back to back football
season, the Semi Pro, and then a high school season. So those
are the areas. I'm sorry, Susie you were saying. I was going
to say, everyone needs to make sure they check out Supernatural town Hall.
That's every other Tuesday, right, Yes, thank you, it's not every
other it's every Tuesday. Thank you so much, my buddies with a yell.
It's one of my favorite shows. I have to tell you. I
look forward to that every week and you will be a guest on that again.
And what that is exactly is every Tuesday, we have a live stream
on Planet for twelve. It's called the Supernatural town Hall Session and that is
three channels, Planet for twelve, which I host, and that it is
Codega's Codex of Curiosities that's owned by Ry Voss, a good guy that is
doing a great job. And then you have another one called Sasquad the Sasquatch
or Supernatural Podcast No Paranormal. Sasquatch's Paranormal Podcast. J C. John Cornwell
and Andrew Christie run that. And then of course you have Susie so she
has her new Paranormal book Club coming out as well. And I've dragged Steve
and Andy along with me with the Paranormal Book Club. Also they will be
all, well, I'm looking forward to it, and she's dragging us along
that gravel you were talking about. Well, Matt, we hope that you
will come back sometime on the show because this has been a pleasure absolutely anytime,
gentlemen. And Susie, it's always a pleasure. And Andy and Susie,
uh, before we us out, Andy, tell people where they can
find your publishing company. My cop that's cordters to two of the morning and
my brain starting to melt slightly. I am Ninth Circle Press, as in
Ninth Circle from Dante's Inferno. Ninth Circle Press dot com or dot co dot
uk owned both of them. You can find by my book there whether it's
now sold out to the probably will publishing in the future. But my new
book from my good friend and mine on Essex Witchcraft should be out end of
the month. End of next month, should say the end of May.
So Ninth Circle Press excellent and Susie tell us how we can get a hold
of you and your information on Puck Wedgies. Yeah, puck Logies dot blogspot
dot com is my blog with a lot of my research there as well as
a contact form for anyone that wants to reach out, and everyone should check
out the Paranormal book Club Facebook group and soon to become main podcast as well
as my personal YouTube channel. I am saying it out loud, so I
have to do it. I am going to start actually posting more videos and
that's the Puquadjy Whisper on YouTube. Awesome, excellent and by the way,
thanks for making the connection with Matt tonight. It was a great show.
You're very welcome. Is happy to do it. And again, Matt,
thank you, and ladies and gentlemen. Lady and gentlemen, stay there for
a minute. I'm going to do the close out for the show. It's
an honor. Thank you, Thank you, Matt. The High Strangeress Factor
was created by Steve Ward and Andy Mercer and his copywriter by the Paranormal UK
Radio Network. I want to thank our fearless leaders Ireen Alan Block, Mark
Johnson and Andy Mercer here at the network. Also Andy as producer and composer
along with Brian Zeller, who also has composed music for the Highest Ancious Factor.
I can also be heard on mc maloney's Military X Files on the same
network. In fact, Andy and Susie I believe will be coming up on
another mc maloney's show. That'll be interesting. And I am Steve Ward,
your humble host here on the High Strangeness Factor, a displaced Michigander deep in
the Ohio Valley. Thank you all for listening. Andy and I will see
you again in a fortnight or they'reabout take care. I to