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Toby bell Ringer. Welcome to Backflip
a Nerds. Hello, and welcome to

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Backflips and Nerds, the Baseball Podcast
with a British twist. Man. I'm

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your host this week, John McGee, and this is going to be a

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special trade deadline episode because we're just
over i think exactly a week away from

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that pivotal date in the baseball calendar
where everything gets sown in the air and

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we all get very excited about Jeff
Passon breaking things that aren't is back.

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God bless you, Jeff. I
hope you, hope you're keeping well.

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So we're gonna have a little bit
of look ahead about what might happen in

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the next week already not happen,
focusing on some of the teams that interest

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us. This is I think an
interesting trade deadline. Whether or not it's

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a active deadline will remain to be
seen. And I've got two of the

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finest baseball minds on this side of
the big old Pond to help work through

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this with me. First, we've
got Russell. Mister Russell Easam, how

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the devil are you? My good
man? I'm too good. Thanks John.

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I was part of the fine British
baseball players who decided to stand in

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the cold, wet for four hours
trying to play baseball games on Saturday yesterday

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and decided just to drink in the
pub instead. So yeah, it was.

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The Summer Cup was good fun.
But Sunday or Sunday was much better

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weatherwise than Saturday. The Summer Cups
are in the pub. We were better

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than the Summer Cup. Yeah,
that's an event. We went a boat

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race to try and determine the winner
of one of our games. It was

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not upheld by the BBF later on, but candalous that that wasn't upheld,

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Absolutely scandalous. And I don't know
if the bar for Shenanigans this weekend will

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be will be cleared by my next
guest, mister Darrius Austin. What did

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you do on the weekend? Any
boat races? Zero boat races. I

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did have a little try dive in
the quarry at clan Barrs, which was

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the first to me, but no
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went to a brewery, so Russell
and I were kindred spirits at the weekend.

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That was not planned. I was
supposed I was in the peak district

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and supposed to be going hiking,
but looked out of the window on Saturday

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morning was like, well, let's
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a brewery, which was quite a
good plan B. Yes, so we're

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going to jump into the trade deadline
in a minute, but before we do

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that, there's something that we probably
should have been doing more regularly is talking

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about what's on the website, because
there's some brilliant stuff on the website right

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now, loads of brilliant contributors who
are putting a lot of work in to

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provide the best quality of baseball analysis
here in the UK week in, week

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out. Some great stuff over there
right now, and some more stuff in

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the pipeline. Just to sort of
draw your eyes to a couple of pieces,

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there's a fantastic piece and Charlie Deeks
summing up the first half of the

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season for the juggernaut that is the
Atlanta Braves. You know, I can't

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imagine that was the most difficult thing
to write, Charlie. It's always nice

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to write about your team when they're
good, but hey, why not make

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hay when the sun shines. And
also there's a couple of really nice pieces

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from Brett Walker, who's been out
in the Pacific Northwest visiting a bunch of

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teams, including the Eugene Emeralds.
And he's got a really nice piece up

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on the site about his time out
and Eugene that's really well worth a look.

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And yeah, there's rumors about that
even I might have written something for

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the site. Clearly, clearly somebody
was getting on at me. So watch

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this space for that over the next
couple of weeks or so. Yeah,

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guys, Trade Deadline with a twist. As usual, we don't don't.

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We don't do anything straightforwardly on this
podcast, do we. So we're going

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to do a bit of Trade deadline
hokey koke. So for those of you

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of a certain age in the UK
who have been to a number of school

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discos, you'll know exactly what I
mean. You'll know all about it being

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in out and shaking it all about. But for us listeners and listeners from

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different countries, that's a song that
you may not know. It's a perennial

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of children's birthday parties in the UK, and that's exactly what you have to

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do. You have to follow the
actions. You're either in the circle,

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you're out of the circle. Are
you shaking it all about whatever it is

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was never discerned, probably for the
best. So we're going to do hokey

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koke baseball trade deadline, and we're
going to talk about some teams we think

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are in very much going to be
making the big trades and picking up the

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players and try and getting themselves over
the humps for the playoffs. Teams that

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are out, they are gonna be
selling it off, stacking him, high

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selling him, hopefully not too cheap, and then shake it all about teams

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who they're interesting. But we haven't
really got a clue what's going to happen.

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And it could be a bit of
this and a bit of that,

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or at least that's one interpretation.
Russell, you had a slightly different interpretation,

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which which was also good. So
I don't know whether we surface that

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now or we just get I think
you just cause chaos later on, mate,

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I think I think take it as
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it's fine. So who wants to
start, Darius? How about we start

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with you and you know, let's
do it in classic hokey cookee order.

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Let's go with the Inns first.
Yeah, so my inn is not surprised

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to anyone, but I've gone with
the Texas Rangers. They've had the leading

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the division basically pretty much all year. But the Astros are now right there.

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George Martin has popped over to the
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And you know, if you're the
Rangers front office, if you're Chris

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Young, you're looking there and you're
thinking, you know, we can't.

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We can't give this up to Houston
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don't want to be a wild card
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I think they want this division.
They've made a lot of moves over

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the past couple of years to signal
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going to try and cement that as
much as they can. There's guys here.

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It's just absolutely astounding to me that
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Aldi, of Gray, of Heeney
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Like most of these guys have made
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their careers. I think they're going
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The bullpen has been looking shaky this
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obviously, but I think boatch.
She is short of guys he trusts at

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the back of the bullpen there.
And as much as things have worked out

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for them, you know, we
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out there. It's not like,
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bench going wow. The Rangers are
stacked and Corey Seeger is back on the

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ile again. So while Ezeki or
Duran has you know, filled in admirably,

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he's been a great fine for them
this season. That I just think

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they want a little bit more depth
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count on in the rotation with the
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to, you know, finally take
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So I think the Rangers are going
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and shore them up in this stretch
run. Yeah, Valdi skipped his last

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start, didn't he And his velocities
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downwards. And you know he's always
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like, you're I'm in a good
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that we're getting to the ninety three
ninety four range, things don't turn out

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as well for him. So yeah, I think there's going to be some

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management going forwards. And yeah,
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you know, I'm sure they'd love
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and or Lucas Gielito or somebody of
that caliber. But I think, you

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know, anybody they could count on
to just eat some innings and know that

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they're going to be there at the
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going to be useful for them.
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look a little bit less rosy for
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that the Astro's rise felt inevitable.
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be George. They would precipitate it. But yeah, this has been coming

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in terms of the Astros getting on
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and as Darius said that the Rangers
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That's their best shots, isn't it. Yeah. I think with the power

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that we are seeing across the Al
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with getting a wildcard is a scary
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be a similar number of games actually
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wildcard. But yeah, as Darius
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to be their focus. I'd really
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I think the last few weeks Ezekiel
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going to start to the season where
he looked pretty pretty ama And so anytime

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that they're still having to give some
abies to like Robbie Grossman is not a

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good sign. So some sort of
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be useful for to them as well. Obviously, the the show Hey,

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of it all is like that's something
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it. I love it, like
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first team, like everybody can take
show Hey, like everybody would one show

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Hey. Whether the Angel's going to
sell him, I think Marino is probably

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actually just going to stick on him
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like if you to all Angels fans, it's just so you know what,

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We're gonna get nothing from it,
but let's enjoy the ride. But yeah,

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I think they've got to They've got
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starter, at least one reasonable starter, they've got to get him. Yeah,

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I mean inclined to agree. Um, so yeah, there we go.

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That's our Our first in is going
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you were, if you guys were
making bets or making predictions, who do

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you think they're big deadline acquisition?
Might be? Darius? How about you?

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I wonder, like I think they'd
feel great going after, you know,

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a real shutdown reliever. I don't
know what the Pidres are going to

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do, but it will come onto
them. But you know, Hayder is

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an interesting candidate in that regard.
Maybe they go a step down from that

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and go off and get David Robertson
from the Mets. I think he's a

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pretty likely guy to get traded.
But yeah, I think that would be

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a nice, nice move for them
and on them. Maybe on the starter

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side, somebody like George Montgomery I
think would be a nice fit. He's,

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you know, very reliable, but
just a lot of innings every year.

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And when they get to the end
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they hope to be in the playoffs. I think they're going to want somebody

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who has actually, you know,
thrown one hundred and seventy one hundred evenings

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relatively recently. What about you,
Russell, who do you see them as

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their biggest I think they're still going
to try and do things for the next

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few seasons as well. So I
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think they might not go for rentals. They think they might pick up people

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who have got like at least another
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see a very interesting I think they'll
get Edward and Rodriyez. I think they'll

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offer something to Detroit from a prospect
perspective that will give them another arm that

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we don't know how long it will
actually last. Four I like it.

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I like it. Okay, Russell, over to you for for your your

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pick. Yes, But in so
I chose the Milwaukee Brewers. I think

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obviously they are sat atop there deficius
right now. I actually have to double

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check with us right or because them
and the Reds have been pigging backwards and

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forwards by half a game. I
think it's by half a game. Yeah,

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had to double check because it didn't
look at last night scores um,

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yeah, but they have some very
very obvious holes in that team, and

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it pretty much all comes on the
side of the offense. I think they

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have god awful a production from first, second, and third projective for the

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rest of the season, even if
you kind of think how what they're actually

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going to do. So they really
need to fill one, two with the

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all three of those holes to actually
do that. They probably also need some

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outfield heart help as well. But
we can't really go into the trade trade

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deadline going like, well, we're
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I don't think that's a reasonable approach
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But yes, we already know the
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comes to that. Their pitching is
good from a from like a starting perspective,

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and the relief perspective, I don't
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was a few years back, so
another pitcher might actually be the same would

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be useful to them. But I
think they've really got to focus on that

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on that offensive side. And as
Darius said, I think everybody needs relievers.

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Like everybody we talk about today who's
in or even out or even shaking

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it all about everybody wore taking an
extra reliever if they're going to get to

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bear. But yeah, I think
I think they really need to pick up

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some offense, and how they go
about doing that is will be very interesting.

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I think they could be like a
pretty strong candidate for somebody like Katie

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Bellinger to come in to either eat
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The middle in field options are pretty
disgusting, if I'm perfectly honest,

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when we're looking at players who are
actually available, who think we think could

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be traded a Paul the Young or
maybe a Brandon Drury. It may maybe

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where they where they have to go
to actually inverted commas improve their team.

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But yes, the Brewers need to
make trades because we don't quite know what

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that red Steam are going to do, so they actually need to just it

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would make sure that they cement this
division title. I've got to be honest,

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I haven't paid close attention to Milwaukee
Brewers baseball over the course of this

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season. And if you if you
read out those names and asked me whether

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or not they were real baseball players, I would be amazed if I got

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fifty percent correct. Who is Andrew
Monasterio? That that is a productive Alt's

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name, if ever, I've heard
of one Owen Miller. I mean,

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I do know who that is,
and I know he's not good. Tyrone

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Taylor, I mean, that's a
that's a championship manage and region. Who

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are these people? And how is
this the number one team in the NL

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Central? You know, I know
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terrible. Also, I'm sort of
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right now and like, what,
what what earth has happened to estin here

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and Mike Brousse that they're not in
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a cliff. I know, I
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but that is extraordinary. They're in
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that whole depicion is a mess,
honestly, isn't it. Yeah,

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I think obviously the self fredick him
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There's obviously some optimism there that you
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didn't actually look like in the last
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looking like Christian Yellich Old. Maybe
I don't want to touch wood, they

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want to actually say anything. He's
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so if are, But yeah,
the production that they're getting on like

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on the back end of that,
that lineup is it's not good. I'm

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sure Darius would very much agree with
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you know, there's not It's not
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they're one of the worst defensive teams
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scoring whether are they twenty six in
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very bad. They're just very good
at pitching and they're pretty good defensifully as

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well. So yeah, I quite
like the Bellinger fit. He obviously he's

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got defensive talent. I think if
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they just go get Tommy fam and
stick him at d H. But this

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is very much we're not going to
like get the big name team. We're

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going to get the rental. We're
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who you might not even have thought
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we'll playtoon him for you know,
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of the way and hope that he
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Bruins have been doing for years.
That's where their lineup looks like this.

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I think Ballinger is. I think
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outfield positioning, and if we're taking
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a good and it's not a mirage, and that's going to fall off the

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cliff. I really don't know about
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the Red Sox are actually turned out
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some of their players, I think
adding someone like Turner who could not only

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get them in but also give them
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solid ad. I think the Red
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that's one of it's one of my
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to deal from depth or make a
trade that is surprising, it won't be

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for him. I'll come on to
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that would be a nice fit.
I mean, that would cover a whole

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load of holes, wouldn't first base, third base? Don't put him a

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second m Alex. That's specifically you, Alex cora um Darius. He is

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on the shopping list for the Milwaukee
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Bellinger is probably the best fit there. I think the actual Brewis move is

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timer Candelario like tremendously uninteresting corner bat, very much like the Brian Anderson move.

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motivated to move him, and I
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lot to get him. So I
think as much as Beningie would be nice,

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I would be far less surprised if
they traded for Candelario. Yeah what

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about Ryan Noda? He's been all
right, Annie, he's been great,

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but he's currently hurt, so I
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him. Yeah, yeah, it's
a fantastic app Yeah, that feels a

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bit bruish. Maybe maybe Seth Brown. Maybe they could go and get Seth

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Brown. He could play first place
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could, I could believe that.
Yeah, I kind of see that.

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And you know, they've got prospect
depth to take a guy who has got

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a bit more service time. The
Brewers not tends to be at the type

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of they make two types of try
it, don't they Either I'm a Candelaria

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or Hey, look at us,
we won the service time battle. Yeah.

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Interesting, they are a very intriguing
one. Russell and I hadn't quite

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realized what a mess they are.
Okay, my my my choice. My

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team I think rather less of a
mess is the team in first position in

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the Al East, the best division
in baseball, the absolute bunfight for wildcard

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spots going on currently beneath them as
the Baltimore Orioles and incredibly fun and incredibly

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exciting, but incredibly flawed baseball team, the main floor being. All of

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their pictures are bad. How is
it working? Not? Tyler Wales,

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I could see your face, Darius, I'm not. I'm not hiring in

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with that. Wells has been shaky
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wavering. I think I think he
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he pretty insane? Yeah? He
does. When I say all of their

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pictures, I mean all of their
starting pictures. Although Yenia Canoe is starting

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to look like a guy who had
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this season recently. Not not bad, but you know a little bit like

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he's taxing his arm um. They've
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from Oakland, a deal I thought
was really good business for them. I'm

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shoring up that sort of hard throwing
bullpen. But they desperately need, well,

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they don't desperately need, They could
really do with an upgrade of their

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starting pitching. Um. You know, they're reliant on innings eaters like Kyle

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Gibson, Carl Bradish, Dean Kramer. Any of these guys could turn into

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a pumpkin at any time, and
I'm almost sure that they'll be looking at

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some upgrades. But again there's been
Michaelias. It maybe won't be as splashy

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or as fun as we hope or
indeed anticipate, because you know, this

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feels to me like the Orioles are
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their tilt at the playoffs this year, a year ahead of schedule at least.

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Of course, they've got. The
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they have incredible prospect depth. But
because of that depth and because of the

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richness of their talent. One could
anticipate that fellow front officers maybe asking for

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rather rich ransoms for their choicest available
players in return for dealing with the Orioles

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and helping them get to where they
want to be. I'm sure there's several

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players on the Orioles prospect lists who
are off limits, but nevertheless, it'll

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be interesting. But this is the
thing with the Orioles, because their system

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is so so good, getting their
you know, number eighteen prospect is probably

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a steal in some of these deals. And that's the other thing that we

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should be wary off before jumping to
conclusions based on you know, six month

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old Jim Kellis list. So yeah, the Orioles I think are definitely going

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to buy. I think they're going
to focus on starting pitching. If I

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was sort of gun to head in
terms of players that I think they should

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be after, I think it's the
sort of Gearlito and Lynn tier that they

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should be shopping in. Potentially with
Giolito like a sort of sign and extend

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if at all possible, I wouldn't
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do I think they might end up
Michael Lorenzen, although honestly he's been good,

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like much really good, particularly over
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So, Yeah, the Orioles I
think needs like pitching. If anything.

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I think they possibly need two starting
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spot and I had that prospect depth, that's what I would be shopping for.

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What about what about you, Russell? What do you think about the

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Orioles. Yeah, they gotta get
pitching. I think it's it's kind of

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relatively as simple as that. Like, obviously, Grayson Rodriguez came back up

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about ten days ago now and has
pitched two okay games so far, so

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I think ob having him back up
might be relatively well, I'll help them

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kind of like actually kind of progress
further. But yeah, they just they

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just need arms. And so you're
right, we just don't know what this

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front office and ownership are actually going
to do because we've not seen them do

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anything yet. We've not seen them
spend big, we've not seen them trade

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players for trade their prospects away for
current players because they didn't do it last

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season when they had the chance to
do it. They trade it out again

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to kind of even stack that system
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don't know, really what the m
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So, could we be seeing some
massive, massive trade deal alla the San

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Diego Padres level of like throwing away
prospects which they've now deemed they don't think

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are good enough but other teams may
still do. Or are you going to

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see some pretty daff like one or
two players, mid level guys just being

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thrown around. Are they going to
end up with like all Blackburn and who

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else? The way it sitting in
that wonderful level of like, I don't

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know, a Tyle Hendricks and Paul
Blackburn are going to be like Baltimororial players

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because they can get them for dirt
cheap. I just don't know. Yes,

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Stroman is another one who they should
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mean that's what they need. They
need high end talent that will win,

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you know, a game of a
wildcard series on their own back, potentially

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provided it's not in London. Um. Yeah, Darius, who do you

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think they're going to be? I
mean nothing, I fear that Russell might

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be right. Paul Blackburn is a
name that I hadn't hadn't come to mind

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for me. I think Michael Lorenzen
maybe a bit Rich. I think Paul

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Blackburn is the is the Baltimore Orioles
future reality. Yeah. I mean it's

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tough because you know, they keep
saying, oh, yeah, when the

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time is right, we're going to
spend the money, and they're not spending

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money on anybody right now. So
you know, if you say, if

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they got the room to go out
and you know wag Max Shares are on

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this roster, yeah, of course
they have. Are they going to give

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up what it takes to get him? Probably not. I would like to

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see them do something. You know, we're talking about the White Socks.

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We haven't really talked about Dinning Cease
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know, not just going to be
for this year. Maybe there's somebody out

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there that, you know, the
Orioles scouts, the Orioles Analytics staff are

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looking at, going, hey,
can we can we get hold of this

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guy? Because he's not that great
right now, but we think it could

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be a real real start for us
and we'll get to keep him for a

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couple more years. I would like
to see them do something like that,

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just one of those Yeah, here
we are, we're making a sort of

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legitimate commitment to the future. I've
seen Mitch Keller's name tossed about a bit

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as well, if they're you know, trying to save a bit more money

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and over in Pittsburgh before you know, he gets too deep into his RB

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years. He's been you know,
showing flashed more of the potential this year,

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but he's been up and down,
and you know, he's not a

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not a rookie anymore. I think
he's a bit eligible next year. So

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you know, do they have the
pieces to go out and get pretty much

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anyone they want? Yeah? Absolutely, But yeah, I think Russell's caliber

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of player feels more likely. And
yeah, I don't think we're going to

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see that. They want an ACE, you know, you want to see

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them get an ACE. I think
Grayce and Roderig guests can be that.

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But the concern I have with this
team is that so many of these guys

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just haven't pitched the innings. Outside
of Gibson, who has done this,

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you know, who has been the
thirty plus start guy who's been there at

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the back end of a season.
Nobody, you know. I think Wells

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has been treated very carefully. Bradish
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Roger I guess is going to throw
another seventy plot innings this year, which

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is probably what it's going to take
if they get to the playoffs and you

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know, make a deep run.
So yeah, as much as I'd love

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to go and see them go and
get you know, a Gimito or a

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Shares or a Snail or somebody of
that caliber, yeah, it's it's tough

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to see them doing it based on
their recent history. Yeah, indeed it

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is. There's so many good pictures
available. Do you just listing them off?

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There had even well I had considered, of course, they met the

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two Mets guys, the two guys
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So many options out there for teams
like the Orioles. Whether or not they'll

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go for it will we'll remain to
be seen. Okay, let's let's flip

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onto the other side of the equation
and talk about teams who we definitely think

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I'm gonna kick it all up in
the air, Russell. Let's let's let's

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start with you, the Saint Louis
Cardinals. They're going to be the greatest

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traders of this of this deadline.
I think they kind of have to be

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to try and get something out of
this season that has just kind of slowly,

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I don't even think slowly, just
fallen apart around them, with nobody

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really seeming to be having any idea
why. Like you've still got two absolute

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phenomenal cornerstones in that in that infield
who was still hitting relatively well, but

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some other things that you would expect
to happen around it haven't had it.

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Like Marmol I think is maybe showing
that he's kind of out of his depth

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a little bit in this a bit. May Ali just be careful about my

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may Ali. I know he's still
continued to show some weird moves throughout the

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season. We obviously the contrary stuff
is just is just mental and I think

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obviously this fan base has after what
whence the last time they had a little

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below five hundred season, probably a
very long time ago, or like they've

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they've been a very good team for
quite a while now, so they're not

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used to being bad. So yeah, I think, I know it's been

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like thirty years since they've wore this
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Yeah, so I think they have
to tear down what they can to help

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them be good again next season.
And it's not it's not massive, Like

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I don't think you need to be
saying like, oh, we're going to

405
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get rid of the stars of this
team, because they shouldn't be trading Arronado,

406
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even though I think he could be
an amazing trade bait for for some

407
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:38.319
teams. I just don't think it's
going to be doing. But if the

408
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likes of Tyler O'Neill and as you've
already said, Paul the Young are on

409
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this team or on this team come
the end of the deadline, I'd be

410
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a bit surprised. I think you'd
also or him. Gordon Montgomery. There

411
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.519
we go to say that one multiple
times fastily. Jack Flaherty, I think

412
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.359
they should go. I think they
probably should try and move Hicks and Stratton

413
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.279
as well, from like a relief
perspective, like I think that's like six

414
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players, which I think that they
can they could move now individually, obviously,

415
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I think Montgomery and Flaherty you could
probably get the most four, Especially

416
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.160
like in the sp market, I
think there's quite a few teams that would

417
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want to get something from those.
Pairing a couple of these guys together to

418
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certain teams I think is what Cardinals
should actually be trying to do so they

419
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can actually get some either high level
prospect backs and kind of I don't want

420
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to say, take the Oaks and
route and get the cord a guy who's

421
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going to be ready for next season. But this Cardinals team, if it

422
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.279
actually kind of plays the way it
should, has got a good enough call

423
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that a little bit of money and
they'll be fine next season. So they

424
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really I think they should be trying
to either add players that are one or

425
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.680
two years away, or yeah,
go right the way down to the bottom

426
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of the farm system. Interesting,
do you think that that's where they'll stop.

427
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.599
There have been some reports that contract
I mean, it was our old

428
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:08.079
friend Bob Nightingale that Contraris might be
back on the market already. It's it's

429
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.119
kind of ridiculous if you're willing to
give up an honor player that you've offered

430
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.920
that level of contracts to over half
a year, like either you just could

431
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:19.359
either your scouting system or whatever your
interpretation of a player was so wrong,

432
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.480
and you admitted that you're so wrong
in understanding someone that half a year is

433
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enough to actually determine that you must
have been an absolute shocker of a decision.

434
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:32.720
In offering that contract to be so
certain after half a year that he's

435
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.160
not the player that you want to
have on this team going forward. Does

436
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:41.400
it suggest that there are maybe more
internal fractures within the clubhouse that maybe you're

437
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.680
harder to fix, and so getting
rid of Contraris might help from that point.

438
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:52.880
Who knows, But if he goes, that will be the shock of

439
00:31:52.920 --> 00:32:00.480
the deadline. Two words. J
Bizinski. Yeah, I think I agree,

440
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.440
and I've seen a few people.
I don't think there's any fire or

441
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.559
smoke here. I think that there's
a few people speculating that Dylan Carlson is

442
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:13.160
another player who people will be inquiring
about because he's had a down here though

443
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.279
might think it can fix him.
I'm sure the Cardinals think that too.

444
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:20.720
Yeah, a very very interesting team. About what about you, Darius?

445
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.640
Is there is there anyone else who
you think isn't safe that needs to nail

446
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:32.359
their feet to you know the base? Yeah, only as the guy who

447
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:38.720
haven't spent much time on But I
think he's the closest of the rest to

448
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:44.480
free agency, and we know the
relationship has been frosty there. Now,

449
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.160
you know, if Marmal's on the
outs, then maybe maybe the Car's organization

450
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.880
are thinking, well, we don't
want to get rid of him or just

451
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.160
get rid of Alley. But there
are certainly teams. I mean, you

452
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:58.920
look at the Yankees outfield this season. I think Tyler and Neil would look

453
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.240
pretty good out there. Obviously got
the history with the Beta trade as well

454
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:06.480
there. Um and yeah, given
what the Yankees have had to run out

455
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:10.799
on some of those outfield corners has
been this season. Um, that would

456
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:16.640
that would be a candidate for me, I think, yeah, I'm inclined

457
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:22.880
to agree. Um yeah, I
all right, okay, Um, Cardinals,

458
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:28.440
I think big sellers at the deadline. Um, we all already knew

459
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:32.279
that. I think, Um,
okay, I am going to grab the

460
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:37.559
carnshil, I'm going to keep it
local. The other team that we saw

461
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:44.799
in London a month ago, the
Chicago Cubs. Um, that's a team

462
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:50.799
going absolutely nowhere. Despite David Ross's
protestations, it's a it's a team that

463
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:55.119
is not going to make playoffs.
They're sort of playing for pride right now,

464
00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:00.759
and they've got some guys on their
Ross Still, I think people would

465
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:07.719
be keen to get their hands on
I think specifically Bellinger, who we've already

466
00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:14.960
talked about Stroman, who was touched
on Hendricks Russell's fair point. Notwithstanding that

467
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:20.400
you know, he's maybe not a
peak of his career as he perhaps once

468
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:25.360
was, still could be interesting.
Somebody Drew Smiley, who's had an okay

469
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:31.440
year I would anticipate would be available
at the sorry at the right price.

470
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And then they've got some guys in
that bullpen who they just kind of don't

471
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:43.679
fit with the window. Michael Fulmer
probably going to be moving on again,

472
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:49.840
I would imagine, but I could
similarly see a trade for a guy with

473
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.840
not insignificant control out of their bullpen, a bit like the one that they

474
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.639
pulled off with the Yankees first Scott
f Us last year, I think.

475
00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.920
But Alzlai is probably going to stay, but guys like and Merryweather or not

476
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:05.840
Lighter might be available at the right
price, particularly because those two are older

477
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.440
players, so albeit that they don't
have much in terms of MLB service time,

478
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:15.239
that doesn't really matter so much in
terms of their age other than their

479
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:22.079
cost controllability. Yeah, a team
that are a bit of a mess and

480
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:28.639
probably need to get some pieces that
are going to be ready in a couple

481
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:31.119
of years, right, So the
sort of high A double A prospects are

482
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:37.559
the ones that they might be looking
for to support the likes of Niko,

483
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:43.239
Horner, Ian Hap and co.
In their potential next contending window at Darius,

484
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.760
what do you say about the Cubs. Yeah, it's it's just it's

485
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.800
crept away from the bit. You
know, you feel like it has been

486
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.800
the Oppotunite has been there and with
the red of lack of strength, but

487
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:58.599
with the way the Reds are emerged, and you know the Brewers pitching it,

488
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.000
they're just not quite enough to stay
in the hunt. I think they

489
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:05.239
could have been, you know,
if things had broken slightly differently. Um,

490
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.880
but we've talked about how this team
has holes. I think the Ballpenn

491
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.280
guys you named, the older guys
like Lighter and Merriweather, are you know,

492
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.280
potentially interesting pieces for teams. I
think these are the guy and the

493
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.000
guys you want to trade before it's
too late. You know, they're getting

494
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.039
into their age thirty two thirty three
seasons and you don't want to be,

495
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:25.599
you know, stuck holding these guys. And then you know the value of

496
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.599
can evaporate or fast and the relief
markets and they're both pop up guys as

497
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.920
well. Right, you know,
Maryweather was okay for the car for the

498
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.199
Blue Jays a couple of years ago, fell off and then has come back.

499
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.599
So again, you know, relievers
are are are nascent? Get rid

500
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:46.480
of them? Five unbelievable innings for
the Blue Jays, got hurt and then

501
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.840
nobody saw him for two years.
And yeah, lighters basically come out of

502
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.559
nowhere. Just one of them.
One of those guys is like suddenly a

503
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:58.119
good reliever in the majors at the
age of thirty. Um. So,

504
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.519
yeah, you want to you want
to capitalize in these guys, and the

505
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:07.159
team control should make it attractive.
But yeah, there's not like, you

506
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.599
know, there isn't that major guy
here. I don't feel like, yeah,

507
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.440
Bellinger is. You know, he's
obviously rebuilt his value, but it

508
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:16.800
is still a rental situation. You
know, there isn't like a major they're

509
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.960
going to get a haul here.
They ain't getting PCA this time, are

510
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.360
they? Not? That they should
ever not getting pc And you know,

511
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:27.119
you look at a lot of these
spots and you know with Swanson with horn

512
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.880
or with half Miguelmyer's looking really good
behind the plate for them, I think

513
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.880
they have got a lot of places
where they can be relatively confident going forwards.

514
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:38.440
So yeah, I think getting somebody
in sort of double A level,

515
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:44.679
he's going to arrive relatively quickly just
to supplement some of those pieces. I

516
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:45.960
think it's probably what they're going to
be looking at, and then maybe this

517
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:54.559
offseason we see them make another bigger
free Asian acquisition. Russell, what are

518
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:59.800
your thoughts on the Cubs. Yeah, I think they've got to They've got,

519
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.320
as it's always typically say, you've
got to make the sensible decision to

520
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:07.199
think this year is an our year, given the fact that they're not actually

521
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:08.880
that far off of the Brewers,
It's only like seven games or whatever,

522
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:14.119
But it would take investment the other
way around to actually to get them close

523
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.840
to doing that. They could very
much finish this division second ahead of the

524
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.920
Reds, and I wouldn't bat an
eyelid on it, but yeah, I

525
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:28.480
think other names that could get flipped, like Trey Mancini maybe as a possibility.

526
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.079
Oh they hate him as well,
don't you know, get him out

527
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:38.800
of their poor guy. I don't
know how close to recover any brad Boxburger

528
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.800
is, but I'm ASSU didn't if
anybody who just wants to take a random

529
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.480
ask gamble on a player who's even
injured and might just give them the tiniest

530
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.679
of returns, somebody might some one
of the top teams might be willing to

531
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:55.280
take him off their hands for a
very small prospect, but save the Cup

532
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:59.000
to a couple of probably not even
a couple of million, a couple of

533
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:02.039
millions to probably his country. But
yes, I think I don't. I

534
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:07.840
don't think they'll be too many players
go. I think they'll I honestly think

535
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:12.280
they'll keep Smiley just because I think
he'll be useful next season. And they're

536
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.440
going to be one of these teams
to this thing that like, it's just

537
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:19.360
this season we're out on. We're
not planning three or four years down the

538
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.079
line. We're just kind of saying
getting rid of what we won't keep for

539
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:28.239
next year anyway. So yeah,
they're not picking up what. I don't

540
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.800
even know what the terms are for
Kyle Hendricks next year. Is it a

541
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:36.840
vesting option or I don't even know
what it is, but um, I

542
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.400
think yeah, But I'm not actually
sure what the terms of the thing they're

543
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:45.239
vesting are. Yeah, So I
think everybody else that we've we've said before,

544
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:50.000
I think are people that, yeah, will we'll be flipped and it

545
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.559
will just be interesting to see where
they go. Okay, Darius savor to

546
00:39:53.639 --> 00:40:01.960
you, Um, who else is
gonna during ninety five yard punt? Detroit

547
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:08.480
Tigers? You know they hung around. Uh, it's been it's been a

548
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.880
different kind of torture I think this
season for Tigers fans, in that the

549
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:16.320
Twins and the Guardians just absolutely refuse
to like put their foot down and accelerate

550
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.679
away, and the Tigers feel like
they've been just like hovering in that like,

551
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.639
oh, they're so close, Like
if they were just a half decent

552
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.880
team, you can totally see them
win this, and they're not. They're

553
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:29.360
not a half decent team, so
they're not going to do it. But

554
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.159
it's been quite cruel. I think, like, can't somebody just put them

555
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:35.039
ten games back and be like,
Okay, this season's done. But it

556
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.320
feels like every time we look at
the standings, oh yeah, the Tigers

557
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.400
are there, they're four games back, they're five games back. It's just

558
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:45.000
starting to slide. Interesting series against
the Marlins this weekend, actually, because

559
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:50.480
the Marlins are in absolutely free fall
since the break, So I think that

560
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.480
might have an interesting impact on Miamis
because if they can't win that series against

561
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:59.840
the Tigers, then they're gonna have
some work to do. But yeah,

562
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:07.119
there's anyone arguing that a team that
is running Eric Harse out into the outfield

563
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:13.960
should be in any way adding anything
to their payroll is not a serious individual.

564
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.159
I know you are doing the opposite
of that, But for those of

565
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:20.920
you who are trying to cling on
that there may be some hope. There

566
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:25.800
is none. Yeah, like you
know, there's still some guys here right,

567
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.679
like Green I think could be a
really good Major leaguer. Torkusen has

568
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:36.400
been a lot better lately. Terek
Scobble came back and absolutely destroyed the Giants

569
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:40.000
earlier this week, looked fantastic.
So there's there's players here. But yeah,

570
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:43.639
you look at the rest of this
lineup. I don't know what they're

571
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.119
going to do with Buyers, but
it is painful to watch at this point,

572
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.920
just there's nothing they are offensive that
everybody knows he's going to swing it

573
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.840
everything, and they just throw him
total junk and he still swings at it.

574
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.480
And yeah, there's just a lot
of real big holes here. We're

575
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:04.599
still dragging around Miggee on this team, who we really don't hear from very

576
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.360
much these days because he doesn't do
anything. But he's still taken like a

577
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:13.559
couple hundred plate appearances for the Tigers
this season, which is just like where

578
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.719
they're at. You know, serious
teams don't do this. They would have

579
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:21.559
just cut him by this point.
So yeah, I think there's guys to

580
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.519
movie he Rod has rebuilt his value
a bit. I think he's one of

581
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:30.360
the more interesting pictures out there and
potentially could be one of the best deadline

582
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.159
acquisitions for somebody. I think,
you know, some of their relievers have

583
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.000
been talked about. I think Jose
Sasno was on trade rumors earlier this day

584
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.920
as a guy who's going to get
traded. Obviously they're not going to pick

585
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:45.840
up much for him. Lorenz and
you mentioned earlier Spencer Turnbull would have been

586
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.000
an interesting guy, but he's been
hurt a lot. I don't know that

587
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.639
they're going to get a ton of
interest on him, but maybe somebody wants

588
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:55.800
to take the flyer and hope that
he's healthy next season, and then,

589
00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:00.519
yeah, I don't know a lot
of a lot of n thing really but

590
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.079
I think the guys that they can
move. Scott Harris is going to move

591
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:08.039
and just try and get them into
something approaching a window in the next two

592
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:13.079
to three years, if effortable possible, while while Green, while Talcus in

593
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:16.840
a while school Wall are still under
relatively cheap contracts. I've got one for

594
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:23.159
you. Do you think there's a
possibility that they move Manning knowing that mys

595
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.320
is going to be back shortly,
thinking like he's probably about the top of

596
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:32.000
his market, like as I sort
of serviceable number three, he's not going

597
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.159
to get better then, They're not
going to get more for him now than

598
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:42.760
they will now. Yeah, it's
a possibility. I think he's definitely yeah,

599
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.760
outperformed its peripherals. He's twenty five, he's yeah. I mean,

600
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.719
it would be an interesting move.
They've got us some other pitching on the

601
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.800
way. Jackson Job has come back
and looked good this season. I think

602
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:59.280
a couple of other guys in the
miners who are coming up. I think

603
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:05.960
Wilmaflora is his brother is in this
system actually also called Wilma Flories. So

604
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:07.840
yeah, I kind of like that
as an interesting move. I you know,

605
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.800
the optics of trading a guy who's
twenty five might not be the kind

606
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.320
of thing that they want to get
into when they're saying, oh, we're

607
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.000
building for the future, but also
we're going to trade this dude in his

608
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:21.360
mid twenties. Yeah, he's got
four and a half years. Yeah,

609
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:22.679
so I would expect them, if
they were going to do that, to

610
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:28.719
ask for a lot. But I
sort of think he is. He feels

611
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.199
like the type of guy and we
are going to talk about the Reds.

612
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.159
It feels like the type of guy
that the Reds might be looking for when

613
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:39.840
they're putting Jonathan India on the trading
block. No, they probably want hip,

614
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:45.800
they'll probably want higher ceiling than Matt
Manning. But you know, it's

615
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.480
a conversation. If you were in
those two front offices, one might entertain

616
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:54.519
Russell's pulling a face at me.
That usually means I'm wrong. I just

617
00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:00.320
don't know, Like if he's a
guy who what I think his ear years

618
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.440
like one and a half below his
fit. So it's like there's there's a

619
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.840
lot of things there which are just
kind of I don't think some of the

620
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:13.800
more analytically in client teams and we
go for bread, while they may actually

621
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.440
didn't fall in that category nowadays,
so who knows what they do. I

622
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:21.920
think people would probably pick up like
Folio or Lange ahead. I know we're

623
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:27.480
obviously we're still talking about relievers compared
to starters. I think I think that's

624
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:34.519
three point two year ray. The
Manning house is probably it probably carries enough

625
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:40.880
value that makes too expensive for any
team to actually give the Tigers, too

626
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:45.079
much enough to make them actually flip
him from either the Tiger's overvaluing him.

627
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.639
I think, yeah, I mean, I think I probably agree. It's

628
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.760
an in. It's a name I've
sort of seen people say, and there

629
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:54.679
was an interesting thought extrement. I
don't know if there's still a bit of

630
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:58.760
like prospect sheen, Like a lot
of people thought he was going to be

631
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.360
really, really good. I don't
think the BP guys did. I think

632
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.719
they were a bit down on him
relative to a lot of the industry.

633
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.880
But I know some people, certainly
in fantasy circles, thought that Anning Manning

634
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:12.119
was going to be an absolute ace
when he was coming up. Yeah,

635
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.639
yeah, don't be banked as a
sixty value player in quite a few places.

636
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.320
Yeah, I mean that was potentially
unwise. Um, Okay, Tigers

637
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:28.119
are again. Yeah, get get
ready, yeah, get ready. I

638
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.920
mean this is the other thing with
them? Is this just not a lot

639
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.960
is there? Yeah? They've been
doing this for so long now that you

640
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.920
are you know, you're starting to
look at Oh god, you know we

641
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:45.519
sold the hub Capsum, we'll have
to remove this axle. It's never any

642
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.800
a good look, is it.
Um? So we'll see what happens with

643
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:54.159
the Tigers, a horrible mess of
a baseball team. Take talked a lot

644
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:59.000
about a lot of them today.
Okay, um, check it all about.

645
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:04.400
Does anyone have any particular desire to
go first in terms of a team

646
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.679
that you know, let's let's say
we're just just dare have a clue,

647
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:15.000
or they could do loads of fun
stuff. Yeah, I'll take the leader

648
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.360
here, boys, I'll talk about
the San Diego Padres, who I can't

649
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.559
decide whether they're going to do absolutely
nothing, whether they're gonna flip two or

650
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:24.800
three players and just be like,
oh, you know what, will still

651
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:30.639
be fine no matter what all they
make, like go all in and try

652
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.400
and get somebody else to add into
this uber squad and actually kind of push

653
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.360
to go for it, because if
I still can't look at still look at

654
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:42.119
this Padres team and I still think
this is one of the best teams in

655
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:46.119
Baseball's soid what's happened like so far
this year? I look at that team

656
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:53.119
and I cannot believe it doesn't have
a winning record. I think they only

657
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:57.800
have a gap at like first base
really, which is probably in the Potter's

658
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:05.159
problem for what eight years now.
But like they they could very well just

659
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:07.400
make the playoffs without actually doing anything. Just keep that team. Everybody kind

660
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.440
of gets closer to the form that
they would expect them to do, and

661
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.719
I think you would probably give them, I don't know, a one in

662
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:19.360
three chance of making the playoffs if
they add somebody that creeps up. Even

663
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.800
if they get rid of a two
or three people like Hade or whatever,

664
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:24.079
it creeps down. But I don't
think it creeps down massively, So I

665
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:28.920
just don't know. Like, whatever
they do, I don't think it changes

666
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.679
their playoff odds that much. So
I just don't know what they will actually

667
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:37.280
choose to do in this moment because
I don't think it really makes a difference.

668
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.679
I think I think this would be
an interesting team for Bellinger right because

669
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.719
Gris Grisham has not been that hot
and he could cover that whole at first

670
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.440
base. I mean, let's let's
be honest. The whole DH thing there

671
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:57.440
has not worked. You know,
they let's sign Nelson CRUs Macarmeter has been

672
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.519
an absolute mess. I think if
you're looking at other holes on this team,

673
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:06.519
just somebody who could hit would be
a real boon to that that part

674
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.079
of the lineup. But yeah,
I could see I could see Bellinger here

675
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:14.400
for sure. Honestly, I think
you know they're they're a bit light on

676
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.960
the starting now as well, aren't
they. Yeah, Michael Waker, to

677
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.239
no one's surprise, is injured.
Yeah, and I don't know, Like

678
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:24.880
Lugo's done pretty well transferring back to
the rotation, but he's been a reliever

679
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:28.559
for so long, Like, I
just don't know how long they can let

680
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.199
him go because he hasn't thrown a
hundred innings since like twenty eighteen, and

681
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:36.760
he's thirty four thirty four, So
it's like, yeah, how much can

682
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:38.679
you really stack up on top of
this? I don't I don't know how

683
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:44.159
much further he can go. We'll
see. Yeah, they're like they're in

684
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:49.920
fourth place in this division. They
are not going to catch the Dodgers,

685
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.159
so they're we think they're looking at
a wild card slot. If they're actually

686
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:57.679
thinking give getting into it. Do
you want to think they're actually better than

687
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.679
some of the teams above them?
Yes, I actually do. Will they

688
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:07.559
make it there? But if they
don't do anything maybe so? Is it

689
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.039
Is it enough to just say now
we're gonna we're gonna stand pat, we

690
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.400
trust this team, we put out
the mega contracts, or do we get

691
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.800
a very interesting moment where the potteries
again say hey, we got this wrong

692
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:22.079
and we're gonna give up Hayder.
We're going to give up Snail or something

693
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:29.000
like that and really try and grab
another interesting player with maybe a longer contract.

694
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.760
But somebody is willing to give up
because they actually want to go in

695
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:38.039
for it this year. I think
there is precisely zero percent chance that they

696
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:44.239
stand part Russell. I think you
know that they're going to do something absolutely

697
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.519
crazy on one end or the other. I'm more inclined to think that they

698
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:52.199
allowed. Yeah, this is this
is uh, this is a j Preller

699
00:50:52.280 --> 00:51:00.800
we're talking about here. It's not
I can't imagine that. Yeah, they're

700
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.079
either they're either pumping and dumping or
they're are They're like, come on,

701
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.320
Cody Bellinger, you r Us and
Diego Padre. I think the rhetoric from

702
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:14.119
Sidler as well, you know,
makes you think that they're going to keep

703
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:15.480
going for it, Like at no
point it's he been you know, we're

704
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:20.039
going to blow it up, like
he's been very committed to the project and

705
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.639
the window is now. So but
they do have form for doing it though.

706
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:29.880
Think about you know, the Will
Myers um season where that you know

707
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.320
they trade when they tried to rush
it. Yeah. Yeah, they bought

708
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.800
absolutely everyone in that off season and
they're just Justin Upton did they get in

709
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.360
there? And I think and Justin
Upton and the other the other Dodgers outfield

710
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.519
are the goes, the model Matt
Matt, Matt Matto, can't remember his

711
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:51.920
name, Terrible Matt Kemp. Yeah, I signed all of those guys and

712
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:55.119
then dumped them all at the deadline, didn't they. I think the difference

713
00:51:55.159 --> 00:52:00.239
with this is the you know,
the way the roster is constructed now with

714
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.840
Machado and Bogart's that they didn't have
guys then that they'd signed for such long

715
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:08.039
deals. I think they've really like
put themselves in for the long run here

716
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:13.280
and you can't. Yeah, I
mean, but they do still have guys

717
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:19.079
who people would really like, like
Soto, like him, who you could

718
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.280
get really good. And then you
know that the guys who are have less

719
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.519
controllable time, like Hayder and Snell, you could get a lot for those

720
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.079
four guys. If you decide you're
gonna you know you're you're out of it.

721
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.159
Yeah, I definitely think they could. I just don't think that's the

722
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.599
way they the rhetoric is going.
I think they're gonna they're going to try

723
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:42.159
and make it still. Yeah,
I mean I think I agree with you.

724
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.159
I'm just I'm just putting the adverse
case. It's a good one that

725
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:51.360
Russell goodness knows. Ah, Darius, do you want to go next or

726
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:54.000
do you want to have last?
Let you know, privilege of going last.

727
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:59.559
No, I'll go next. I've
picked the Mets because I feel like

728
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:04.000
the Mets can do anything. I
think that money is obviously no object.

729
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:07.639
Basically for Steve Cohen, it hasn't
helped, but it's no object. So

730
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:12.159
you can't really rule them, rule
them out doing anything, you know,

731
00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:14.719
even if it's a trade where somebody
says we don't want to pay this kis

732
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.199
fifteen million anymore, Stevie go,
Yeah, sure, I'll take him.

733
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:23.320
Give me a couple of prospects.
Obviously, they've totally left up the division,

734
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:29.880
but they've also just got this team
that's pretty old and I think they're

735
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.239
going to run it back next year. And yeah, it sounds like,

736
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:37.079
you know, they haven't really broached
trades with their Landa yet. Shares that

737
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:38.400
hasn't been at his best, so
maybe they don't move him, you know,

738
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:43.639
maybe they just kind of keep this
team around. Yeah, they looked

739
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.920
at around the edges and come back
next year. But I think they've just

740
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:51.679
they've got Laans open to them in
a lot of different ways. They have

741
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:55.800
got guys like Robertson we mentioned earlier
who who could get moves. But I

742
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:00.000
also think that they really really badly
want to win a World Series quite soon,

743
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:06.039
and that is probably going to influence
a lot of their decisions. It's

744
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.400
also like an argument like Robertson not
you know, you're right about Robertson,

745
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:15.760
But other than she in burl Under, who kind of does anyone want on

746
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:22.760
this rosteram as kind of fam I
mean Camas, Yeah, kind of talking

747
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:29.760
yourself into both of those though,
aren't you. It's very much Rooks Rayley.

748
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.119
Yeah, God, don't we all
want Brooks Raley to come around?

749
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.920
Um yeah, you know, it's
a lot of If you are trying to

750
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:42.400
go for it right now, we
have some guys for you, but it's

751
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:46.639
not long term project pieces. It's
definitely we've got some rentals. You sure

752
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:52.639
don't talk. Don't talk to me
about Tommy Fam rentals. Still still bloody

753
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:57.400
scarred by that. Yeah, give
us your twenty first best prospect or whatever

754
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:02.320
and we'll give you Tommy Fam like
that. That kind of they're just bizarre,

755
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:08.039
bizarre organization. What's happened? Russ, I don't know? Like that,

756
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:13.800
Once again, it makes you feel
that there's something off the field,

757
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:20.840
because like the players that they they
picked up two old players but who had

758
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:24.119
actually track records, are still being
able to pitch well despite their ages and

759
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:31.079
have not done well. I think
of all of their twenty twenty three signings,

760
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:37.440
the only shining star has been Codey
Singer, who have to maybe a

761
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:43.960
wobbly first couple of games, has
looked pretty phenomenal afterwards. Like Carrasco's not

762
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.599
looked good obviously, Kintana, Like
these are people that you could flip or

763
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.480
move or any of the other lot
that's down there, like maybe somebody could

764
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:58.679
take Adam Otavino or like it just
hasn't worked. And I think there are

765
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:04.400
far more in even more intelligent people
than baseball than Darius and I who still

766
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:08.239
have absolutely no idea why it hasn't
worked. Like I'm gonna sin for Francisco

767
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:12.760
Lindor for all of his career,
given the stuff that he did for the

768
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:17.079
Cleveland but it's obvious that he's gone
between being very good and very bad quite

769
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:22.360
often at the Mets, and it's
just not cemented his place in that lineup

770
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.800
and in that city the same way
he did in Cleveland. And maybe that

771
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.599
it's just one of those those issues
that playing in New York, even though

772
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:34.719
it's not the Yankees, it's not
not a thing that players can actually do.

773
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.119
Yeah, they're they're yeah, It's
just I kind of just feel sad

774
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:44.519
about it, right, I genuinely
do. Like I know I shouldn't feel

775
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:52.519
sad that, you know, multi
billionaire hatchet capitalist Steve Cohen has you know,

776
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:57.960
his little train set has gone off
the rails, But I kind of

777
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.760
admire what he was trying to do
so much, and for it to just

778
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:12.039
be you know, cursed as the
Mets must always be, it just genuinely

779
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.119
just made it feel sad. It's
supp used to even be talking about the

780
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:23.559
idea that they will be trading just
in just just it just was uninconceivable that

781
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:31.800
like this time four months ago and
yet here we are. Yeah, indeed,

782
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:37.880
um, I don't see much.
Yeah, the young pitching here is

783
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:43.159
not There's not a lot. I
don't think. I'm not aware of many,

784
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.480
like, you know, guys who
can lead this rotation you know when

785
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:52.039
shares are in Verland has gone yet
and I means not not young Singer's thirty

786
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:55.039
already, Like where is the pitching
coming from for the Mets. So I

787
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:58.559
hope that one of the things that
Steve has done with his money is to

788
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.880
like you know, pumple of it
into making sure they've got the best scouting

789
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:06.159
and development system they can have.
I don't know if that's actually true,

790
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.400
but I hope that's what we're doing. They're just going to go back to

791
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:15.159
the MPB, well aren't they?
Yahobo Yamamoto, you are a New York

792
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:20.440
Met. You could do worse Rocky
Sasaki. You are a New York Met.

793
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.800
Yeah, that's what's come in.
Yeah, the Mets are a strangel

794
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:30.119
one. Okay, right, I'm
going to talk a bit about the Red

795
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.639
Socks, and then I think there's
probably one or two teams who we need

796
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:36.719
to talk about who we've not hit
on already. Um. Red Socks are

797
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:40.880
just odd. They're just an odd
team. Um. They are a really

798
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:50.079
good offensive team with you know,
a pitching staff that effectively amounts to their

799
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:57.719
sentient kum Quatre, old Hoss Radborn
and you know some kids they found on

800
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:05.760
lands Down Street. And then defense
and base running is you know, Benny

801
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:12.679
Hill. I really don't know.
I have felt like a lot of this

802
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:16.679
sort of two groups of Red Sox
fans this year. There's the the usual

803
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:20.800
Red Sox fans, the ones who
are listening to you know, ninety eight

804
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.519
five Sports Hub, who think testing
cost us wearing nail polish is the worst

805
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:29.599
thing that's happened in the history of
bail, in history of baseball, who

806
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:32.239
are just never going to be happy
as long as I'm Bloomers anywhere near Boston.

807
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:38.679
And then there's been another group that
I am more at home in that

808
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:45.719
has been trying to convince ourselves that
this is a good baseball team despite it

809
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:52.239
being kind of obvious it's it's not. And they keep doing enough that one

810
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:58.760
wants to make an argument that they
should be deadline buyers. And yet I

811
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.639
think, in my heart of heart
arts I knew that that would be wrong.

812
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:08.800
Similarly, like Bloom has got no
form yet either at Temper or at

813
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:14.760
Boston for just like straightforwardly buying at
a deadline. He is just a guy

814
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:20.119
who's obsessed with value, all like
the best value, and you know,

815
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:25.599
doing funky trades like Jake Deetman for
Reese Maguire and you know whatever that Eric

816
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:31.000
Hosma trade was, although oddly,
the two prospects in that Hosma trade both

817
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:36.679
been really good, so maybe that
was the real Maybe that was the real

818
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.679
bargain that you got there. So
yeah, who, I just honestly don't

819
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:45.000
have a clue what they're going to
do, And my senses it might be

820
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:50.800
a bit like last year where they're
selling some players that are quite surprising and

821
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:55.639
buying some others that are equally surprising. So there's a couple in my mind

822
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:00.880
that, oh, I don't they've
really been talked about anywhere, but I

823
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:06.960
think they could potentially get shopped.
So one of those is Alex Fadugo.

824
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:13.039
I think he's never going to have
a higher value than they should have been

825
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:17.320
an All Star campaign that Alex for
Dugo has had this year. He's kind

826
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:20.800
of hit the skids a bit in
the last couple of weeks. He is

827
01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:24.719
what he is, He's a half
decent light hitting right fielder. There's a

828
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:28.760
few people who could do with one
of those more than Boston when they've got

829
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:34.360
an outfield log jam and sid Anne
Rafaela in triple A and the other one

830
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:38.920
alongside for Dugo I think is not
my favorite player, Tanna Hawk, who

831
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:43.480
I'm perennially trying to get off the
Boston Red Sox. But just you know,

832
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:45.760
a guy who's currently injured, of
course, but he seems to have

833
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:50.480
value as a starting picture. He
might send stupid when the Red Sox have

834
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:55.239
currently got no starting pictures, but
they've got a lot available. There's going

835
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:59.519
to be a log jam sooner rather
than later when they all come off the

836
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.519
off the injured list. And I
think he is a guy who could go

837
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:07.239
somewhere and be a three four And
I don't think he's going to be that

838
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:12.480
in the Red Sox. If they
could get a player like Jonathan India with

839
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:16.320
a package built around Tannahuk, then
I think they might do it. I

840
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:21.360
just don't I just genuinely don't know. I think controllable starting pitching is something

841
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:27.239
that they need and want. Controllable
middle infield, like particularly at second base,

842
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.000
is something that they need and want, because let's be honest, Yu

843
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:36.639
Chang and Pablo Rayas, Christian Arroyo, these are just these are just not

844
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:39.800
players you want on a winning baseball
team. So yeah, the Red Sox

845
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:45.679
are a weird old, a weird
old club approaching this deadline. And I

846
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:51.760
think that people who are talking themselves
into this being a competing window in order

847
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:55.880
to save face with people who are
going to shout in bad faith in any

848
01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:00.159
event, should give themselves a shake. Don't what you two think, because

849
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:06.199
that's quite a sort of partial view
from a concerned Red Sox fan. Russell,

850
01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:07.559
you're usually quite good at bringing my
feet back down to the ground.

851
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:13.400
Well, I was just looking through
this team and realizing I didn't kind of

852
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:17.920
think it was how old it actually
is. Like there isn't like young players

853
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:22.800
like in this team, like you've
got what Brian Bao and Josh Winkowski or

854
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:28.199
whatever can across us. Yeah.
Yeah, and Duran is pretty young.

855
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:31.480
Yeah, he's nearly twenty seven or
whatever and has actually been good. Yeah,

856
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:37.039
I get all back you're saying you
don't have many players that are like,

857
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:39.119
you've got quite a few there that
are all like preab or whatever that

858
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:43.320
you're not getting rid of that all
that will find. But there's a lot

859
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:49.280
of dudes in their thirties here.
But if the right offer came out,

860
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:54.440
I think they would be daft not
to think about it. I think they

861
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:59.559
are. If there is any team
in baseball which has been shafted by the

862
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.840
quality if the Al East the most, I think it is the Boston Red

863
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:13.559
Sox because they are probably the worst
even that division. I think it's and

864
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:15.840
that's but that's not actually saying to
say that they're a bad team. Like

865
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:18.360
I think they line up that gets
put out right by that. But the

866
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:21.639
Yankees is worse. But when judges
back in a few injuries or whatever,

867
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:28.519
I think they'll probably roll out a
better lineup. But the Red Sox are

868
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.480
just are in a really, really
tough decision about what they should actually do.

869
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:39.679
So if they get sensible options,
like I think they should listen to

870
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.280
them. Like the place that they
actually need to improve is in that center

871
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:45.559
of the infield. That's a second
base of the non a short stop if

872
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:48.760
you were going to if they were
going to go for it, like they

873
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:55.199
have a good short stop who's going
to be playing in a week Trevor Story,

874
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:58.679
they definitely need a second baseman though, Yeah, i'd like to see

875
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:00.239
him play a short stop fa for
us, say, he's a good shot

876
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:04.480
stop, but he's a good hitter. He's look, he looks hot in

877
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:10.239
double a Darius As I know that
sounds very peat prap, but there we

878
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:15.000
are. But yeah, so they
just aren't those players on the market,

879
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.960
as we've already kind of like discussed
this tread headline. So the holes that

880
01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:23.840
they need to fill, there aren't
the players to fill them. So do

881
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:28.360
they get the best out of it
by actually filling other people's holes and getting

882
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:32.679
some better returns than they would at
any other point. It's a really pessimistic

883
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:36.480
way of like looking at baseball to
kind of say that, like, yeah,

884
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:41.000
you are genuinely in the shout for
a wild card position. What are

885
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:45.639
they half a game a game off
and one and a half games of a

886
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:50.639
wild card position. And we're actually
legitimately talking about these guys with a positive

887
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:55.320
record, when we're legitimately talking about
them getting rid of half of the players,

888
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:58.599
well some of them more. But
to your point, right, the

889
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:02.719
Astros and the Rangers are better than
them. The Blue Jays, the Orioles

890
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:06.760
and the Rays are better than them, and the Yankees are arguably better than

891
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:11.719
them when Judge is fit, Like, I don't think there is any argument

892
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:14.599
I think they are. Yeah,
it's a big a log jam that in't

893
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.519
it, But one or two players
could make the Blue could put the Red

894
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.880
Soxx in a position where they'd have
a genuine chance. I just don't think

895
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:27.800
they are your simple trade solutions that
you would get at a deadline. I

896
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:32.960
think you're really talking about trying to
get somebody who has is a second baseman

897
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:39.840
who has two or three like years
of availability left in them to actually kind

898
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.639
of do that. I was I
was really really looking to work out like

899
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:47.639
who actually has somebody worth while at
second base who might even make a trade?

900
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.159
Like could you mean you are like
you were literally are talking about Jonathan

901
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:57.280
India there basically yeah, right,
but are you are you talking about Louis

902
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.440
the rights? Could you actually get
him out of Miami? Likeviously you're going

903
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:02.039
to You're gonna be paying at the
arm with your leg for taking him right

904
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:09.480
now? Can you take one of
Andrew Himenez or Armadasario out of Cleveland if

905
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.119
they end up being traders, if
you offer like the offer the White Things

906
01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:17.800
back in the other way, you're
talking about very complicated deals to actually make

907
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:23.519
this team better. They might be
a sort of weird team in weird three

908
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:27.360
team deals though, right, they
could be that one for this year.

909
01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:32.199
There's always one. Yeah, okay. I mean, I'm interested in your

910
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:34.559
thoughts too, Daris, but I'm
conscious of time, and I also think

911
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:39.880
there's one or two teams who we
haven't spoken about already who are just also

912
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:44.840
weird, who are well three specifically, I want to have a quick minute

913
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.679
on before before we break off.
Talk about Jonathan India a lot, and

914
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:51.920
I feel like we should talk about
his team. Another team with no pictures.

915
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:59.039
They're surely signing pictures, the Reds. Surely they're surely selling people,

916
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:02.519
aren't they. You think they're just
too bad like that? That well,

917
01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:05.760
you could say that any player that
they get tea in actually is an improvement,

918
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:09.360
so they should might as well go
and get some players. They'll probably

919
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.920
be an improvement. But they're effectively
like the worst team that has a reasonable

920
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:18.760
chance of making the playoffs. Like, so, yeah, they need a

921
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:24.880
first baseman, field, a starting
pitcher, they need, they need relief

922
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:27.039
pitching. If there's a team that
you're seeing there's actually going to make the

923
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:30.279
playoffs this season, likes, what's
wrong? We spent to steering, Joe,

924
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:34.119
But that's why. How could you
not be romantic about baseball? You

925
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:40.600
could be called the russellism and your
brain is a computer. The lineup is

926
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:45.760
pretty interesting now I'm convinced by some
of these outfielders, um, but if

927
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:47.319
you know, if they don't try
to steer, then I think the infield

928
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:54.920
is pretty good. I like it
now. The pitching is yeah, maybe

929
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.479
the day though comes back, maybe
Green comes back. Maybe they're both look

930
01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:02.399
good. We'll see. Abbott has
been unbelievable. I'm still not quite sure

931
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:08.079
that is this good. And then
it's yeah, I don't know whatever.

932
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:13.359
The Elvis has been lively, surprisingly
effective. I don't know why, Luke,

933
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:15.520
we have still as a job,
I guess because he's on the Reds.

934
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:21.199
But yeah, they need something.
They are definitely definitely trading for pitching.

935
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:26.159
There's just no doubt about it.
Like they are in. They are

936
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:29.159
as in as they are going to
be for a long time they are,

937
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:32.680
and Joey Votto is retiring. They
are trading for pitching. They could do

938
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:39.880
with Marchaul Stroman to get some ground
balls and that stupid bullpark with play.

939
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:45.520
Yeah, that's very, very true. So the Reds, the Marlins,

940
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:48.960
as you said, Darius, the
bottom has fallen out, But of course

941
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:56.960
they've got about nineteen serviceable starting pitchers
and you know, are always going to

942
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.479
be of intrigue to anybody as a
team who wants to keep themselves in contention

943
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:08.359
and has you know plenty of you
know, Dubloons available to trade with Noy.

944
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:13.119
Yeah, it's not quite as sort
of stacked as it looked at one

945
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:15.680
point, you know, there wasn't
There was a point not too long ago

946
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.720
where you were like, the Mans
have got like nine ten guys you want

947
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:25.319
in your rotation, and now with
Maya getting t J and our count falling

948
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:30.039
off and six day Sanchez never really
coming to anything, it's kind of like,

949
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.319
oh, there's not quite so much
depth there, but it's still very

950
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:38.720
good rotation. Johnny Quoto has come
back and like it actually pitched really well.

951
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:42.079
Although the Marlins fans were going,
that's why we're putting him back in

952
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.600
the rotation, but he's actually been
fine. But this lineup is just predictably

953
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:50.760
dreadful. It's just a rise and
Sell hitting Dinger's. Garrett Cooper has been

954
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:55.439
okay, and yeah, like you
very quickly get into oh yeah, Gezagura

955
01:10:55.560 --> 01:11:00.359
is like hitting sixth and Gezagura has
been miserable this season, just absolutely but

956
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:04.880
they haven't got anything else and they
just don't score runs. And now we're

957
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:09.279
seeing that come back around. You
know that early season one run game.

958
01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:13.439
We'll sneak all these close games.
Look, it's completely evaporated on them.

959
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:16.880
The bullpen's been falling apart, and
it's it's been bad, and I don't

960
01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:20.880
really know if they're going to do
anything to fix it. To be honest,

961
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:27.439
I'm not sure who they who they
want to trade. And there's not

962
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:30.880
like you know, another guy guy
that there's not somebody here they can call

963
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:34.319
up and give themselves a boost.
I don't think so yeah, it's a

964
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:38.680
tough one for them, but that
wildcard mix is getting pretty competitive now the

965
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:42.880
fiddies have come on, the Giants
and Diamondbacks are there, and if the

966
01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:45.640
Reds do decide to go for it, then I don't like it. For

967
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:49.800
the Marlins, I think they're in
a bad spot right now. Well,

968
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:59.439
I think what you're saying is more
leproch on blowis Russell. What what about

969
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:03.239
the Yankee I mean that they're they're
they're they're fronterance for shaha tani Bus.

970
01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:12.640
They're only told me it's just absolutely
mental. You just kept telling yourself Buster,

971
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:19.560
Yeah Yankees, Cody Bellinger, We're
gonna said Cody Bellinger everywhere because we

972
01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:28.880
can we clone him Bellinger. But
it is a Tyler O'Neil could be a

973
01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:34.359
good fit. Um do we never
like who else is thinking? I actually

974
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:38.960
think I think there's zero chance that
they sell, right. This isn't the

975
01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:43.239
Andrew Miller and are all this Chapman
yet? No, they're an argument that

976
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:45.960
they should. I did get star. I think they're in a fairly similar

977
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:50.239
position to the Red Sox like they
are. Actually they wear their position to

978
01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:56.560
compare to the teams around them and
like the Raise and the Orioles have the

979
01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:00.000
winds in advantage. The Blue Jays
are a better to me for their only

980
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:03.479
like two or three games ahead,
so you don't expect them to perform better

981
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:06.880
going And so are the Astros and
Rangers. Yeah, so they're in a

982
01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:13.279
very difficult position, like they're still
basically reading for no one actually spending the

983
01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:16.479
money on one of the massive shortstops
in the last three years, thinking that

984
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:19.920
they've got prospects coming through, who
are gonna gonna do it for them?

985
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:25.600
Well, just what may hasn't really
worked, But the crystal ball could have

986
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:30.680
told you that as well. But
who knows. Un goalplayer has just been

987
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:36.279
physically and mentally assaulted. I'll do
The thing that will be interesting about the

988
01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:42.600
Yankees is do they flip hasten to
bingers? Do they do? They do

989
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.039
they go all in and like get
out telling me and Filip something like the

990
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:48.840
biggest that's otherwise, like whatever the
Yankees do won't be interesting to me.

991
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:53.199
Like they'll probably try and the ladder
a couple of bulpen arms and they'll add

992
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:57.359
somebody in the outfield that we've well
good like that was kind of Maya and

993
01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:00.399
they'll still maybe just just about squeak
their way and the playoffs. The thing

994
01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.920
for me with the TARNI was just
I just don't think they've got the prospect

995
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.560
capital for it. They just don't. Like if you if you look at

996
01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:10.479
the return for I mean, I
know it's a rental. You look at

997
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:15.039
the return for Soho, which was
obviously eighteen months. They just couldn't do

998
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:18.800
it right because Dominguez is not going
to get a tarney. It's not going

999
01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:23.760
to work like that. That's where
you start, and then where's where are

1000
01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:26.439
the others? Is it Volpe,
is it Cabrera? No, they're not

1001
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:30.319
going to give those players up,
so like shut up. That's like even

1002
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:36.439
even on like straightforward raw baseball analysis, it's not going to like, look,

1003
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:40.479
Marina is not going to let it
happen, but it wouldn't work.

1004
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:45.199
There is no match here. Stop
it anyway, enough Yankees talk that,

1005
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:49.239
I think we can leave it there, so they go. That was our

1006
01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:58.800
hokey cokey trade deadline preview. Hopefully
we'll get some of that right, and

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01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:03.159
I'm sure we'll come back after the
Woods and congratulate slash chast eyes one another

1008
01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:11.720
for their useless slash fantastical prognostication that
we put forth this evening, So Chaps

1009
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.760
as ever, a pleasure, Russell, good to see you. Thanks for

1010
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:18.439
slapping me down several times. It
was it was emotional. Can I had

1011
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:24.159
one one more? Two more dead
SERTs? You can't be doing nothing of

1012
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:27.840
the twins are doing nothing? Oh
yeah, they're twins. They're twins.

1013
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:31.840
Haven't just had their fingers burned like
they no longer have hands after last year?

1014
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:38.359
They're doing nothing? And there darius
any any more dead SERTs for you

1015
01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:41.520
before we wrap things up. I
was going to mention that we were in

1016
01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:45.239
the rod socks, but Adam Duvall
getting treaded back to Atlanta feels like a

1017
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:48.560
locked on for me. That's the
one spot where you look at that team

1018
01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:50.199
and you think, yeah, they
could do it a little bit of an

1019
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:54.560
outfield boast and they'll have to go
all over there. So is the new

1020
01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:58.840
Kelly Johnson. Yeah, that feels
like an appropriate place to leave it.

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01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:01.159
Thank you always, guys, and
we'll see you against see