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For members only. Golf Smarter number
three hundred and forty four, published on

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July thirty one, twenty twelve.
Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second

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app because the ball popped ups like, oh, yeah, well I got

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under it, so I definitely teeed
it up to it, and it's like,

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no, I don't think so.
Yeah, when you pop it up,

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you need to peet higher. What
yeah, well, first of all,

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you're too steep on the golf ball, so your Anglo attack coming into

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the golf balls too steep. If
you teed up higher, you feel more

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round in your golf swing. That's
kind of what you're trying to do with

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a player. When you teed up
higher, you're trying to get them swing

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more around, like a tilted ferris
wheel. And I have it with my

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care after a little boy is that
he'll teed up as high as he can

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get it with his little driver.
That he has, and the swing is

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flatter and flatter and flatter. So
the higher he pet it, the flatter

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the swing gets, and the better
he starts hitting it. It's funny because

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I try and give the amount of
information to my students as much as I

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would give to my son. And
that's kind of where we're going with this,

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to try and give them as little
information as I can to get them

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hitting the ball straighter and further,
you start giving too much information to some

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of the students and they get just
more and more and more confused. And

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when they leave a lesson, they
have two or three things to work on,

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and that's it. Popping up your
t shirts tee it up higher with

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Frank O'Connell. This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers and

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golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked for your host, Fred

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Green. Welcome to Golf Smarter for
members only. Frank, Hi, how

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are you? I'm fine, dude? How you doing awesome? I'm I'm

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in beautiful Lake Tahoe. It's about
I don't know, sixty one degrees out

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and the sun is out so and
it's gonna get warmer, right, that's

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right. Better than most of my
friends in Phoenix, that's for sure.

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So you recently moved to the course
at Incline and you're you're teaching up there,

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right, you came from the Phoenix
area, where you were teaching for

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quite a while. Yeah, I've
been down in Phoenix for quite some time.

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I originally started teaching with Scott Sackett, one of my huge mentors.

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Taught me pretty much everything I know
about about teaching and then really got me

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playing, playing really good. So
that's kind of where I knew my calling

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was. I was a head pro
for one year of course in Phoenix,

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and then realized that teaching was kind
of my forte. So I hipped up

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with Scott, and I've been teaching
now for I'd say sixteen years now so

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and just have finally found a facility
where all I do is teach all day.

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So it's uh, it's a great, great position. And then on

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top of that, putting it up
in Lake Tahoe, it couldn't be better.

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Yeah, right, right, So
you don't you don't miss running a

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golf shop. Huh, No,
I cannot. I do not miss running

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a golf shop. It's all about
the teaching. Well, listen, we're

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gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna bug you
about trying to get Scott on the show

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as well. If he was your
mentor, then why am I talking to

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you? Oh? Absolutely? Yeah, right, you know, you take

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the beat, you take the B
plus guy. But when the A plus

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guy is available, he can give
him, give him a shot. I'll

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tell him the getting your info and
we'll go from there. Awesome, Thank

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you very much. You got what's
uh? So, I don't want to

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spend a lot of time talking about
the course at Incline. Although I really

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enjoyed it, it was a tough
walk the day I played because it was

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quite warm, and I even had
a golf Smarter listener Golf Smarter member come

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out from Reno and join me.
That was absolutely wonderful. But we you

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and I shot some video before I
went out on my round of golf,

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and it is now up an available
on the golf Smarter TV channel at YouTube

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or at golf smarter dot com.
And I really want to talk about this

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because we focused on straightening out your
drives right, and that seems to be

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a classic problem even on the tour
level. Yeah, you know, you

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have a lot of guys out there. I think the biggest mistake that most

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players we'll get into, regardless of
what level they're on, is just their

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overall set up, posture and alignment, and alignment being a huge part of

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that just because of the way that
you're looking at your target. If you're

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actually aiming, you know, fifteen
twenty yards right of your target, and

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you don't realize it. You hit
a ball that's right where you're aiming,

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and it goes and you're thinking it
should be going left. Now you start

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making swing problems. Now you start
developing swing problems, they should say,

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so you start pulling it left or
pushing it right, so you know,

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I think the big thing for the
listeners to understand is that you can only

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judge ballflight with proper alignment. So
if your alignment's bad, then you're going

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to be and if you don't pay
attention to that, then you're going to

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be kind of an uphill battle from
trying to fix your golf swing when it's

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really not a problem. And is
that truly the case that a lot of

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people think their golf swing is the
problem. Absolutely? And there's more.

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Yeah, I have fixed I fixed
a lot of golf swings over the past,

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you know, ten weeks that I've
been here in Tahoe where I just

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put down alignment sticks. I have
this little device called the Swinky, and

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we set that up for them and
they realize where they're aiming and they just

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start hitting it. The big thing
that that I let people know is that

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the swing, the path of the
golf club is a byproduct of what the

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body's doing. So how your body
is rotating and how your body is turning

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will will determine to some degree the
path of your golf club. Keep going,

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I'm I'm I don't think you're finished
with that thought. I want to

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So when when when they're starting to
swing and they start making swing changes with

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what's going on and they don't realize
that, you know, the way that

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their body's pivoting and moving is the
big, big, huge thing. You

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know. Working with Scott, the
one thing that Scott always told us as

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teachers is that you know, we
are decent players, and you know we

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you know, there's there's things that
we've done that we could accomplish more than

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the guys that we're teaching. Is
He's never he never told us to say

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you know, use yourself as an
example of here's what I do. More

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or less, throw it to the
the student of well, here's what the

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guys on tour do, and this
is what we're doing. So the one

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thing that I try and do is
get you started and looking like a tour

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player at address, and get you
finished like a tour player. So start

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like a tour player, finish like
a tour player. That's something that everybody

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can do. They can swing on
balance with a good finish, So those

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things are hard to do. You
know, if you're swinging way over the

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top or way from the inside,
your bounce is going to be all tilted.

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So it's it's big time posture ball
position with driving the ball in the

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fairway, you know, because hitting
the ball in the fairway that puts us

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on the offense instead of you know, hitting it out of the rough and

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now we're playing just defensively. You
know, to hit the ball close.

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Obviously, it's a big advantage hitting
the ball in the fairway. I mean,

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look what Adam Scott did the first
three days. I mean he drove

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it fifty yards on average, further
than Tiger. And you know a couple

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of hiccups coming down the stretch on
Sunday. But you know, so those

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are the things that he did really
really well for all three days. He

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hit it in the fairway and that's
why he had such a dramatic and a

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big lead going into Sunday because he
drove it good, right. And obviously,

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if somebody's been listening to this now
in September of twenty twelve, we're

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actually referring to the Open Championship or
the British Open of twenty twelve for Adam

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Scott. And you know, do
I want to talk about Adam Scott?

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You know, did he choke or
is that golf? That's golf? Yeah,

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that's what I thought. I didn't, you know, I don't people

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like, oh man, he blew
it. It's like no, No,

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he bogied a couple of holes in
a row, but it was bad timing.

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Yeah, I don't think he choked. I think he just that's golf.

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No, he had a couple of
bad bounces balls that kind of hit

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in the fairway and then rolled into
those blunckers. But he missed that one

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little short cut. But you know, we've all been there as far as

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whether you're shooting in the nineties or
in the sixties. You know, that

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one shot, you know, and
that's all he needed. You know,

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there was one shot the first day
he bet he could take back, so,

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you know, just kind of golf
and chalk it up and play the

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next day. And what the other
part it that that's golf. Which is

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so awesome about the tour is that
when Ernie made that putt on eighteen,

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I'm you know, you can hear
fist pumps going all over the world like,

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yes, he made it. You
know, you got so excited for

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you were like rooting for Ernie at
that moment. And then when Adam had

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that final putt, all you had
to do was make that one putt and

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it wasn't a difficult putt to make
to go into the playoff. And it's

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like, oh, we all felt
the pain. But talk about feeling the

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pain. How about the oh boy, now I'm gonna I'm gonna space it

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out here. That drive, Oh
that Graham McDowell, right, that just

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kind of almost killed some people from
the fairway, not the drive, the

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fairway shot. Yeah, yeah,
his second his second shot in that part

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five that oh you know, what
can you do that I remember I played.

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I played in a tournament one time. I just hit a gold top.

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I hit it twenty yards off the
tee. But I think that's good

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for golf because I think all golfers
go, wait a minute, I do

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that. Hey, you know those
guys are really good. But I can

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do that too. Yeah, in
your mind. Yeah, when your mind

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starts thinking of other stuff than what
you're trying to do and it starts wandering

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around, there's you know, all
these guys. I mean, you go

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to the twenty twelve Masters where the
guy's shaking on twelve. I want to

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get back to the couple of things
that you have discussed, and that would

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be the set up posture alignment.
And then I also want to pick on

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you for bringing up the word target. But let's can we break down set

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up posture alignment, you know,
piece by piece and walk us through how

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you believe is the correct way to
be doing this. Yeah, I would

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say figuring out your posture. I
have a three by five foot mirror that

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I teach with that sits in my
teaching station down here, and when I

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put someone in a posture that they're
kind of going, God, this feels

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so uncomfortable. And then I pull
the mirror over and they look at it,

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and then I pull up a tour
player positioning. They're like, oh,

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I look the same as him.
And then right away that doesn't you

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know, it doesn't seem weird to
them anymore. The feeling of the uncomfortableness

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goes away. So working on your
setup and getting yourself set up into the

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right positioning in front of a mirror. The big thing that we're trying to

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do with posturing is that what we
notice with a lot of the tour players

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is that the angle that they make
from the hip joint and their spine is

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right around forty five degrees. So
that's something that you want to look for.

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And then from there we drop the
arms. We let the arms hanging

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like loose noodles, and then from
there you give yourself a little bit of

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neflex. And the one thing that
you'll see a lot of amateurs not do

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is what we call spine tilts.
Now, the spine tilt is not a

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it's not a shoulder tilt, it's
a spine tilt. So the spine tilts

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anywhere from two or averages anywhere from
two to ten degrees. So you get

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that little bit of tilty setting yourself
behind the golf ball, and then from

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there, you know, anything that
we're going to do with power we need

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to get behind. So once we
have that good setup, there's there's our

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posturing over the golf ball and then
making sure that we're we're aiming and we're

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lined up into our target and looking
at our target. Now from there,

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I'm going to stop you for a
second before you go to the next next

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spot and hold that thought. But
I want to come back to it,

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but I want to spine tilt.
So now we're talking about a left to

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right tilt, not a forward to
back correct exactly, and it's not and

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this is you just you know,
a light bulb went off in my head

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when you said that, because I
have seen, I have noticed I try

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to do that little bit of making
it so like there's a straight line from

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my left foot all the way up
to my shoulder, but little slightly,

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you know, like tilted. But
it's not a tilt from the waist nook.

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Like if you took a club like
a five iron and a four and

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a longer club placed it directly on
your sternum so it went right down the

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middle of your body and you just
bent, you bend from the hips,

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so you get your forty five degrees. And then if the if that club

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then HiT's the inside of your front
leg. That's your spine tilt. That's

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the amount of tilt that you're looking
for, because if you think of the

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shoulders and the spine, it's just
like a key. It's like the letter

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T. And then all you're doing
is just tilting it. That's it mm

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hmm. So you're just putting that
tea on a tilt with a little bit

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of bend. And then from there, now you you know, you kind

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of go around, look yourself in
the mirror, and you get starting,

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you get yourself much more comfortable.
I mean, having this mirror on the

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range is you know, there's two
things I have out there. I have

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an impact bag and I have a
I have two scales, and I have

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the mirror. So I got three
things on the range, impact bag,

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the scales, and the mirror.
And on the range, I got a

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bucket of ball and I got five
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so you know, and then so
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give those people that little bit of
feel is what we're looking for. You

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know, they they learn mostly from
visual anesthetics and then you know verbal and

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you know, if you ask my
wife, I remember about four percent of

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whatever she says, so verbal just
doesn't work. Well. Luckily, this

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is a member's only show, so
she won't hear that that you that you

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just admitted that, and nobody I
want nobody of the Golf Smarter audience to

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repeat that, because you're gonna get
called on it if you do. I

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swear, Dar, I only hear
about four percent of things that you ever

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say to me. I tried,
I really try. Oh yeah, sure,

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uh huh yeah. I try to
listen, but it's only four percent.

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I really try for eight percent.
You know, big our wedding anniversary,

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her birthday, and then my kid's
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That's about all I can remember.
Yeah, and don't forget you have to

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pick up the kids after school today. Yeah, right, absolutely, Okay,

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so now let's let's talk about Uh
now we got the tilt out of

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the way. Now I want to
talk about the forward bend, you know,

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your posture getting over the ball.
The thing that I have trouble understanding

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whether this is correct or not.
Is the arch in the back. Some

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it looks like a lot of people
stick their butt way out, and then

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there's others who tuck their butt in. Yeah right, hell you got that

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bend. Yeah. Basically, what
you're doing is you're bending from the hip

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socket. So we're not bending at
the waist. We're bending at the hip

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socket. So when you bend at
the waist, that's where the spine has

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a hard time rotating in the golf
swing. So when you bend at your

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your hip socket, your back and
stay your spine angles stays nice and straight,

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and then that's where you're that's where
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bend at your hip socket, letting
arms hang, so then your butt is

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sticking out. Yeah, your butt
does stick out. I mean, I

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can't tell you how many times I
write down on my on my notes for

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my students. Know, butt out, butt out, butt out. You

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know, take a look at a
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at an average tour player that's out
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That just happens. But it's one
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of look at when they're posturing over
the golf ball. And it's just,

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you know, they just look a
little bit uneasy, and then they get

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the back flat, the spine angle
straight, and then bend stick your butt

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out. Interesting because we talk about
and everybody's heard about the longest six inches

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in golf being the spot between your
ears, But I guess those three inches

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there between your your hips and your
waist are critical as well. Yeah,

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you know, I think a lot
of what people are doing nowadays is that

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that golf the golf shot if you're
posturing and your alignment and stuff is I

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mean, golf gets missed already,
so your chances of hitting a good shot

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decreased by a factor of ken if
you're not set up right. I mean,

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it's that's just going out and you
get it, hit it offline,

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you're going to hit it into a
bunker and then to touch on the metal

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side of it. If you think
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you're going to hit it in the
bunker, absolutely right. We say

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that all the time. Don't hit
it in the bunker. Don't hit it

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in the bunker. Yeah, we'll
get rid of that, or don't And

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what happens you're saying to yourself,
hit it in the bunker. Hit it

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the bunker exactly. If I said
to my dog, don't sit, what

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does he do? He's gonna sit, So we don't hear the word don't.

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Hey, listen, if you tell
your kid don't do that, chances

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are there and go I'm gonna he
said not to, but I'm going to

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try it. Yeah, right,
sefore I can push him. Uh well

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wow. So now this tilt and
the spine angle and the forward tilt at

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the hip socket not at the waist, which is a huge difference, huge

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difference. And and so we've we've
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the posture part, set up part. What parts are are? Do you

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see in this setup as common errors
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Ball pedition is is huge. I
know, uh you know, you

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see you have a good player coming
in and and and this happened to me

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a while back. You know.
I went and saw my my golf coach,

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you know, Ben Weeks, down
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and uh, down a Mara Copa
And now I told him I was just

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down hitting it right, and he's
looking at it and he's like, well,

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look where you got your ball position, dude, you need to move

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forward. So we moved about a
ball forward and everything just kind of changed,

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the posture, change, the consistency
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know. So it was those little
tiny things that we that you kind of

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take for granted. And ball position
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take for granted. They just get, uh, they get that out of

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whack. You know. A guy
comes to me yesterday with you know,

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he fit in his drag. He
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So he sets up to it,
you know, a ball position for his

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drivers. In the middle of his
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the golf ball. The face of
the driver is d loopted. And I

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said, what do you do?
You pop it straight up? Huh?

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And he's like, yeah, i'd
you know that. Well, you're set

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up it dictates and is going to
I'm gonna. I can pretty much tell

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how you're going to hit it,
just by the way you're posturing over this

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golf ball. So we moved the
ball forward where it should be in his

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stance, and his whole everything changes. His posture changed, everything changes,

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and the next thing, you know, with then you know, three or

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four swings. He kind of fixed
it all himself. I just put the

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ball on the right spot and making
some golf swings there. So to give

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yourself of an idea of kind of
where ball position should be, you know,

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the lob wedge through your eight iron
should be right in the middle of

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your feet, and then from there
the golf ball just moves forward and away

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from you about a quarter an inch, but never getting outside of your left

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heel. So there's there's only about
like a four to six inch h area

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to where that golf ball should be
placed, you know. So the thing

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that you're trying to do is that
we're trying to make sure that the body

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remains in the same flex and the
same positioning, but the golf ball just

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moves forward in your stance and a
little bit further away because of the length

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of the golf club. Yeah,
I was going to ask you about that.

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So you want to you want to
get the ball, well, you

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want to step back a little bit
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But as the club gets longer you
get to your driver, you want it

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to be a little way not only
forward. Yeah. So so basically what

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you're doing is that the spine angle. All the angles that you create set

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up will dictate what you can and
can't do in the golf swing. So

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so that's what you're trying to do. You're trying to maintain the same spy

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angle. I mean, you might
get a little bit taller with a driver,

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and that ball might be just a
touch further away from your just a

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tiny bit of a reach with that
driver, But otherwise your hands and your

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spine, your neeflex, your bend
at the hips, those are all those

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things should kind of just stay right
there and those clubs should just move and

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the ball should just move away from
you maintaining and keeping your your posturing the

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same every single time. And that's
where people have, I mean consistency.

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They want consistency. But if your
if your body is changing often all the

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time, you know, then that
consistency is just not going to happen.

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It's just gonna You're going to be
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edition is probably the biggest, biggest
thing that I have an issue with.

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I think one of the more entertaining
things I've I enjoy witnessing on a golf

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course is self analysis of a bad
result of a swing, meaning that when

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somebody makes a shot and it doesn't
do exactly what they thought they were going

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to do. And with most golfers
that at least that I play with,

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because I don't play with scratch golfers. Most golfers make a lot of mistakes

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or don't have the results they had
hoped for with most shots. And my

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one of my favorites is when they
pop the ball up off the ta and

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you said, like, you knew
before the guys swung, you know,

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just because of their position right,
that they were gonna pop it up right.

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Yeah. My favorite is I teed
it up too high? Oh I

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know, and you know that you
know someone who tees it up there,

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They tee it up pretty much the
same way every single time. Sure,

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but they think that by because the
ball popped up. It's like, oh

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yeah, well I got under it, so I definitely teed it up to

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it. And it's like, no, I don't think so. Yeah,

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And you actually need to tee it
when you pop it up. You need

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to peet higher. What Yeah,
why when you teed up higher, that's

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going to give you your your First
of all, you're too steep on the

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golf ball, so your angle attack
coming into the golf ball is too steep,

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so if you teed up higher,
you feel more round in your golf

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swing. So that's kind of what
you're trying to do with a player when

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they when you teed up higher,
you know, you trying to get them

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swing more around like a you know, it's like a tilted Ferris wheel.

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So and I have it with my
three and a half year old little boy.

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Is that he you know, he
tees it up. He'll teed up

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as high as he can get it
with his little driver that he has,

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and the swing is flatter and flatter
and flatter. So the higher heat it,

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the flatter, the flatter the swing
gets, and the better he start

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hitting it. So it's it's it's
funny because I try and I try and

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teach, or I try and give
the amount of information to uh to my

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students as much as I would give
to my son Michael. And and that's

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kind of where we're going with this, to try and give them as little

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information as I can to get them
hitting the ball straighter and further. So

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you know, you start giving too
much information to some of some of the

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students and that I have to get
more and more and more confused. So

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when they leave a lesson, you
know, they have two or three things

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to work on, and and that's
it. So there's not a ton of

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things. Is basically what we're trying
to do is fix the motion in their

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golf swing and go from there.
So when you get a person that's popping

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the golf ball up, it's basically
you start looking at their body position and

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how they're pivoting and how their body
turns and rotates pretty much dictates how they're

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going to start hitting the golf ball
when they start coming and chopping down on

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it. Am I correct? And
assuming that the times that I pop it

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up and oh I pop it up? Oh I pop it up? Is

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my angle of attack on my swing
too steep? Yeah? Oh good?

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You need to well because I'm thinking
of yeah, I just came down too

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hard. Yeah. You just need
to feel yourself swinging that club a little

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bit more around your body, flatten
out, flattening out a little bit,

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you know, So good ball position, you know, so if you with

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a driver, if you proper set
up, you know, not for nothing

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here, But I haven't I haven't
missed a fairway since Ronald Reagan was in

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office. So you know, some
of the things that I contribute that to

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is through my setup ball position and
consistency of getting that set up all the

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time. But so if you take
your feet, you put your feet together

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and the ball is right in the
middle of your two feet, you take

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about an inch or an inch and
a half step towards your target with your

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left foot and then a big step
back with your right. You're going to

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get the same ball position each and
every time, and that's what you're trying

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to do. So the ball position
with a driver, it's got to be

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forward of in your stands, just
just off the left heel or just slightly

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inside and the left heel, and
then step back to the right and that

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sets the whole body in motion as
far as you yourself that chance to start

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hitting the ball in the air and
in the fairway. I'm so glad that

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you went in that direction, because
that's what our video is about. The

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video that you give instruction on how
to straighten out your drives, is you

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really focus on centering the ball between
your feet, take that very little step

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forward and then a larger step back, and I'll tell you, since we've

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done that and That's what I love
about producing these videos for people, is

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I you know, as a visual
learner as well as audibly of course,

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but it just was so graphic to
me, and it has really helped me

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not only straighten out my drives,
It's also made me slow down on my

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swing. I'm not swinging as hard
for some reason. I'm just feeling more

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comfortable. But I love the idea
flattening it out too. You know,

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Nicholas always said if he wants to
hit it further, he swings it,

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he swings it easier. Yeah,
that's the counter and part of this thing.

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I was, Yeah, I was
working with a little a guy on

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the on the Gateway tour how a
long time ago, and you know,

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and uh, Kyle Blackman what was
his name? And you know, we

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were just out playing and and we
were standing on this part five and he's

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like, all right, I gotta
get I got to get home in two.

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First of all, he's you know, he's five foot two and one

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hundred and fifty pounds, but he
does hit far. But what I pointed

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out to him is that I'm like, Kyle, you hit you just you

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hit one about three ten on the
last sole I go, did you try

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and hit it three ten? And
he's like, well, no, I

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go, you hit this one like
two eighty five, and so quit trying

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to hit it three ten and just
swing at him. Right. You know,

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you're creating more and more tension than
the golf swing, and from there,

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you know, tension is just going
to cause more problem then you're going

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to know what to do with.
So you got to swing easier to hit

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it further, lighten up your grip
pressure, and not try and swing so

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hard. Yeah, don't swing hard, swing swing fast. Huh. Yeah,

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you're just trying to generate you know, you're trying to generate clubhead speed

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and uh and move it as quick
as you can. You know. I

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had a club fitting down in Hot
Sticks, and I was working with the

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one of the guy that runs a
place down there, Alan Gobesky, and

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and we're hitting some balls and he
goes, dude, I want you to

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swing at it as hard as you
can. So I go ahead, and

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I swing at it as hard as
I can, and clubhead speed went down

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from about one one oh nine to
like one oh six to one oh four.

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And here I am swinging in as
hard as I can, and I

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lose distance and lose clubheads speed.
Wow. So it's that type of thing

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where your body just gets out of
sequence. So when you're standing over a

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golf shot and you're trying to hit
it hard, you know you're gonna lose.

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You're gonna your chances are you're gonna
lose distance. You know, think

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of the think of the layup shot. You know, you got two hundred

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yards to the to the little brook
that you get a lay up in front

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of, and you take your one
ninety club and you go ahead and swing

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it, and what is it do? With one hops into the brook?

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You're like, what the heck?
I just killed that, you know,

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because you weren't trying to hit it
far. You were just trying to move

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it down the fairway, and you
know, you hit it further than you've

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ever hit that club before. So
those are the things that we try and

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get, you know, the tension, you know, trying to get people

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to relax a little bit when you're
hitting golf balls out there and you're trying

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to play it. So it's a
it's a game where you know, I've

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tried to quit twice. I tried
to get out of this business twice.

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And it just doesn't, you know, it doesn't happen. I had a

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nice job offer with Morgan Stanley from
a cousin in law, and you know,

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I have an associates Stree and turf
management from the University of Massachusetts,

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which is basically growing grass and being
superintendent. So that that kind of fell

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through, and then I got into
I tried getting into the police academy with

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Scottsville Phoenix police departments when I was
out and Scottsfield doing that, and you

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know, just the thought of maybe
not coming home one day, it was

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not what I wanted. I had
a young my thirteen year old daughter,

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I think it was about six five
or six at the time, so going

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home and seeing her every day was
something that I wanted to do. So

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that kind of that kind of shon
that away from me. So so in

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the interim when I was when I
was doing that, that's you know.

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So it's just something where this this
game, this game is going to drive

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you crazy. You know, you
never own it, you just borrow it.

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And all we're trying to do is
just bo it longer and longer and

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longer. Each stretch that we get
into. Well, actually I think we're

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ultimately we're trying to borrow it shorter
and shorter and shorter. Isn't the goal

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to have fewer shots and spend less
time on the golf course. No,

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we want to borrow those good stretches
playing when we're playing good. We just

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want to We just want to borrow
the good times longer and longer and longer,

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take a longer lease on it.
Yeah, that's what we're trying to

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do. And and the more that
you know, the more people will go

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out and you get your instruction,
you know, it's easier to fix as

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you get closer and closer and closer
to it. So that's a big thing

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that I've noticed with a lot of
with some of the a lot of the

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students that I have. Now that
you know they'll come, you know,

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the repeat customers that are then coming
back and they're doing the body is going

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to go back to what feels comfortable. So when they start doing that,

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it's a little easier to fix.
We fix it a little quicker and they're

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like, oh, okay, I
get this now. This is a lot

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easier than the first time that I
can't even saw you. I played with

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a guy who said, Fred you
know what I want for Christmas this year?

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So what's that he said? Two
good shots in a row? You

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know, Ben Hogan, he always
said it, if i'd shoot in the

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sixties, if I could hit it, just one perfect shot around. Yeah,

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you know ye. Everybody has their
interpretation of that line. It's beautiful.

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Oh man, Frank, you know, I have so many points here

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that I'm walking away with that are
incredibly valuable. I'm glad I was taking

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notes, and I you know,
I advise every listener to listen to this

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again, because boy, playing on
the offense versus playing on defense. What

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a what a concept? Right?
And you know it's it's not I didn't

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invent all this, No, bet, you're reminding us. And it's so

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important. You got the spine tailed, You bend at the hip socket,

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not at the waist. You tee
it up higher if you're popping. This

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was this was incredibly valuable, wonderful
stuff. I really appreciate it and advise

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anybody if you're going to be spending
any time in the Lake Tahoe area.

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Congratulations. First of all, it's
magnificent. Go up to Incline, Go

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to the golf course at Incline,
it's and check out Golf Incline dot com

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and check out Frank. He's the
director of instruction there at golf course at

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Incline. Uh, and he's obviously
very happy to be there now, and

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we're very happy to have you on
the show. Man. Do you have

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a website that people can find out
more about you? It is? It's

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uh, it's Frankocoma golf dot com. Two ends two l's two n two

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l's good. And just that you
can log in there with just an email

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address and name, and I got
some tips lot are going on there and

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then we'll figure away to to get
the ones that you and I did together.

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Fellow there too, so well.
Yeah, and also just if you

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want to see Frank do a little
bit of instruction and see what a snap

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dresser she is, check out check
out the video on how to straighten out

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your drives right there on golf Smarter
TV. Hey, buddy, I hope

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to have you back on because there's
some things you brought on that I have

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not I want to pursue further,
but I know you have a lesson you

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have to get to. So thanks
so much for your time. Man,

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it's great talking to you. Again
my pleasure. Thanks for having me