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first conversation that we had was amazing. We had a beautiful time together,
but it was cut short due to some unforeseen circumstances such as a hurricane that
was destroying the neighborhoods around me. But we tried to do a podcast until
all of the electricity was cut off. So we had such a good time,
and we've been building and connecting ever since. So I'm gonna go ahead
and jump straight into today's episode. My guest today is mister Paul Wallace.
Paul, how are you, brother? Welcome to the Trusia Podcast. My
friend good Atri Sika, thanks so much for having me on your show again.
I really enjoyed our conversation last time, and I hope I brought you
some brought up better weather this time. Yeah, it's been nice. So
we got some rain right now, but it's been nice, especially I mean
from what it was, because that was pretty insane, like it was lightning
everywhere and we were talking extreme I lost all power, so but even I
think I tried to I tried to record some of the stuff off the air,
and but me and you connected off air and we talked for a good
another twenty minutes and it's like, Man, this is it would be great
material. People need to hear this. Yeah, we just have to remember
what we were talking about now, Yeah, who knows, I know what
we were talking about. It's going to be something I have to do with
the subject matter that we're talking about today. For sure. Your new book,
The Scars of Eden, we're gonna be talking about that. That just
came out and it's I think it's actually number one right now on Amazon and
what is it paleontology right now? Cole. Yeah, And it's up there
in a couple of different categories categories. So we'll talk about that in the
book. What I want to know is, because I really enjoyed your last
one, Like, what's the difference because this is like the sequel to the
last one you did, Escaping Eden, right, and so what's the difference
in the two. Well after Escaping from Eden was published, I started to
be contacted every week and most weeks every day by people who had encountered the
book and were connecting with it because of a couple of reasons, And one
was people had had close encounters or anormalous experiences that had just busted them out
of their old world views, and we're now in a space of trying to
piece their world together and work out what was going on. But I heard
from a lot of people who had had close encounters and couldn't talk to anyone
about them. And that's a really way of expressing it, because I heard
from a number of people who would say things like this, Paul, I
hadn't encountered when I was fifteen years old. It changed my life. I've
talked to my spouse about it, I've talked to the person I was with
at the time when it happened, and I haven't told another living breathing soul
in the fifty years since. That's the power of the fear of ridicule around
close encounter phenomena. And yet they still needed to process what happened to them,
and so they were reaching out to me for those reasons. And I
began to perceive patterns in these stories that really started me on another journey.
And then another group that I heard from very significantly veterans of war, and
in particular veterans of the two thousand and three invasion of Iraq and I was
hearing from people who had gone in believing that they were laying their lives on
the line for the reasons stated in the press. They'd gone into free the
Kords, or they'd gone save the world from weapons of mass destruction, or
they've gone into save the Iraq by affecting regime change. They went in,
and then they found out that their particular unit was there for a totally other
reason, and it was an archaeological reason. They were there to sequester archaeological
finds, take them out of a rut, and take them to I'm not
quite sure where in America for we don't know quite what analysis or experimentation.
And you can imagine how disspicating that kind of experience is. I mean,
first off, it is a traumatizing thing to go into a theater of war
and have to kill people and have to risk your own life, and then
to discover that you're risking your life for people you don't know who they are,
who are obtaining objects you don't know what they are. They relate to
the world's oldest narratives concerning our origins as a species, our place on the
planet, our place in the cosmos, and so when these veterans of war
return. That's the white rabbit. They started following their questions took them to
the ancient Sumerian texts, the Quna formed tablets, and that brought them to
the Fifth Kind TV or to Escaping from Eden, and then to me in
conversation, And really it was helping those people to process what story they'd just
become a part of, and the compassion that I feel for people who were
in that situation that started the cogs turning for me and making me realize I'm
on another journey here that I'm going to have to share. But there was
another reason there had to be a the Scars of Eden, and that was
that I was preparing for the launch of Escaping from Eden when I suddenly realized
I was going to have to tell my parents in law about this new book
that was coming out. Now, my parents in law they're lovely people.
They are devout Christians, love the Lord, They love the Lord, Baptist
and Pentecostal heritage. They're from Ghana, And I thought, how are they
going to take a book where the subtitle is does Genesis teach that the human
race was created by God? Engineered by ets? And by the time you
get to the end of the book, you realize it's engineered by ets.
I think this could to be fair, isn't it. Can you still hold
onto the narrative of both kind of both? Yes? Absolutely, absolutely,
that's right, true Seeker, And that's where the sequel comes in, because
I'll come back to my parents in Laura in a moment. A lot of
people contact me now because that's the wrestle they're wrestling. They have come from
a faith background, they have had experiences that have convinced them of the reality
of a transcendent reality they call God. They have had experiences of manifestation and
relationship with God. And yet now all the narratives surrounding that seems to be
in pieces, after they've realized they're in a populated universe and that some of
the stories they thought were God's stories are really ET stories, the Elohim stories
I talk about and escaping from Eden, and so people find themselves in that
territory and they're thinking, what pieces do I pick up? How do they
fit together? How do these two truths go together? Populated universe, ET
intervention in our evolution and some kind of a God reality. How do they
go together, and in the Scars of Eden, I spend quite a bit
of time walking people through the reframing that's required the moment you've taken red pill
of populated universe. So I was preparing my parents in law for that kind
of moment. Had no idea how they'd take it. So they came and
stayed with us in camera for a weekend, and we had some nice food
and some nice wine. And when everybody was relaxed, I thought, Okay,
this is a good moment, and I said, coffee patients, let
me tell you about my latest book I've got coming out. And so I
ran through what we just shared. They listened poker faced. I had no
idea how they were going to take this, and you know, I am
their son in law, so I, you know, wanted it to work
out well. At the end of my little speech, my father in law
lean back in his chair and he said, paul A Penny has dropped,
meaning that all the anomalies that he had found in his reading of the Bible
or Christian explanations for anomalies in the Bible, had just resolved because of realizing
these stories are really memories of et contact. And then my mother in law
lent forward and she said, Paul, we already know this story. She
said, in Ghana, we know the Christian story, we know the modern
scientific answers, but there is also an indigenous story that tells us we are
not alone on this planet or in the cosmos, that there is another non
human presence on planet Earth involved with humanity and specifically involved in abductions and hybridization.
And I couldn't believe these words coming out of my mother in law's mouth.
And then she said, in fact, we're very closely connected with another
family who experienced one of these abductions. And she ran through that story and
my jaw dropped. I had no idea they had this awareness. I had
no idea we were so closely connected with people who had experienced and and that
sent me on a journey around the world. Because the Ghanaian tradition that talks
about these things is called the Mammi Water tradition, that's the modern name for
it. It's actually hundreds of years old, predating that name. And this
account of presence, abduction's hybridization is there on the east coast of Africa down
to the Southern Cone, all up the western seaboard into the Caribbean, Brazil,
Haiti, Cuba, as far east as the Philippines. In the Philippines,
they have vocabulary that has been developed purely to tell this abduction's narrative.
That vocabulary has its roots in India, so the story is there. You
then go into Europe. The whole of Europe is named after an abductee.
Europa was one of the daughters of a king of Phoenicia. She was abducted
by a non human entity. She was She produced children who were hybrids,
three of them three boys. One of them is name as Minos, and
he became the progenitor of the Minoan civilization. Now what I've just said is
toward us history in Greece, not fable, not fictional mythology. History.
The whole of Europe is named after the person who had that experience, and
then it repeats in the Norse countries, going to Northern Europe and Scotland,
Ireland, Wales, they all have this same story. And the details that
repeat concerning the abduction phenomena are the same, and they are curious details and
the pattern. If I tell you what happened to our friend in Ghana,
every detail occurs in all these cultures through the centuries. She was on the
beach near the water. In her case, she was on the beach of
ann Loga in the Kita district of the Volta region of Ghana. She was
taken. She was taken for three years and used to produce hybrid children.
They were in an underwater base. That meant she had no way of contacting
her relatives, and the people who held her looked almost human, but they
weren't human. And every single one of those details repeats. You go to
Wales, listen to the story of Tilworth Tech, it's the same details.
You go to Scotland and you listen to the indigenous stories there collated in abber
Foyle by Robert Kirk in the sixteen hundreds, same story. It's such an
unlikely story and it certainly doesn't parallel any human patterns. It's not a mytholozation
of the slave trade or conventional slave trafficking. It's a different pattern altogether.
And this was another international journey I made that when I started seeing the correlations,
had to start concluding this is a this is real knowledge, this is
a real memory that's being shared here. And when I wrote The Scars of
Eden. It wasn't because I had an ambition to write a book about eaty
abductions. Certainly not because frankly, I want to be taken seriously. And
I know people really struggle with the language of abductions. You know, people
just about cope with the language of populated universe. But as soon as you're
saying I was abducted, you know, by aliens, I had an alien
baby, you're regarded as being at the fruit loop end of the spectrum,
and people recoil as if they'd never heard the like, whereas in fact,
the like has been told us for thousands of years by our ancestors in every
culture, on every land mass on the planet. And I realized, if
I was going to listen with respect to ancestral narratives, I was going to
have to talk about the abduction phenomena, what it is, what it means.
So that's another significant thread in the skies. Well, we're jumping right
in, we're getting deep off the bat. Let me ask you this,
doesn't that seem a bit primitive for advanced et civilizations to actually need to what
some would consider kidnap a human and you know, use their embryos and they
have to carry these childs for children for nine months, versus building some type
of facility or some type of technology or like a incubator or something like that
where they actually have to go and get a human woman to carry the children.
That seems a bit primitive when it comes to you, know, these
advanced et races, wouldn't you say, yeah, I totally understand that reaction,
But doesn't it seem is what we have to say, after we've listened
to what our ancestors said, we have to hear the story, process the
story, and then think what sense does that make. I'm not sure how
primitive it is, to be fair, because it's taken us as a civilization
quite a while to learn out how to find out how to do genetic modification
of human beings. We can do it now, and I would suggest we
probably have better spacefaring tech than the public know about, so put those things
together, we could be in the same boat as some of our visitors.
I'd also suggest that just because people have better tech for getting themselves through space
doesn't mean they're cleverer in every other respect. If there are abductions happening,
it's because there are things about us that they like and that they want in
their gene pool, and we don't know necessarily what those things are. But
if you accept populated universe, if you accept the idea of panspermia, which
means ultimately we're all related, if we go far enough back, we're all
from that same genetic coding for biological conscious life that's been seeded through the cosmos,
then it is quite possible that at the same time as being related,
there's something unique about the fusion that is homosapians, the animal strength, the
mammal emotion, the higher consciousness may have created a somewhat unique blend. Now
that's what the Bible story of hybridization says in Genesis six. If people are
Bible readers, this is probably the first abduction story they'll know. With the
bene Elihim, which I argue is the second wave of ets reported in the
Bible turn up to abduct specifically human females, And in the Genesis six telling,
it says they looked on the human females and said, wow, let's
have some of that in our genetic pool, and they find humans attractive.
Maybe we have a robust physicality that some of our eteen neighbors don't have.
Maybe we have an emotionality that some of our neighbors don't have, and they
consider that we have more interesting, more colorful lives because of our emotionality.
It may be that we're being visited by species who are on the decline because
their population is too small. They may simply need to enrich their gene pool
with something else. Now, you said, isn't it a bit primitive to
have to require a human being to carry a baby for nine months? But
a lot of the aduction stories actually don't include that the human mother will be
used as a what's the word, I've forgotten the word. This is a
middle aged moment where they will actually carry the baby only part term, and
then the feeders will be taken and developed elsewhere in the lab et cetera.
But there is something very very important about being in utero for that part of
the pregnancy that our visitors seem to understand. There was something else I was
going to say about that response of isn't this a bit primitive? Yes,
people say that when they read some of the say the stories in the Vaders
about ancient space faring craft, or they read some of the accounts in the
Bible that describe vehicles arriving with smoke and fire and shaking the ground when they
land, And people say, isn't that a bit primitive, you know,
for ets or able to travel through the cosmos? Well, I think so.
I think it's primitive of us to be using that kind of propulsion system.
Seventy years after we started using it to get people into space and ultimately
to the moon, we're still using it. And maybe getting off the planet
is the hardest part, and you actually do use primitive means for that,
and then you wormhole it to the next place, or you conscious your way
to the next place. These are really valid and interesting questions, but they're
responding to an intact story that has survived for thousands of years, that has
been told with details that correlate from culture to culture, from millennium to millennium.
And it's part of our processing of what do we do with this report?
What do we do with this information? And there are plenty of things
that our visitors do that would see to be primitive, like war. So
many of the ancient stories talk about et demographics warring against each other. Well,
that's pretty primitive. Isn't it. And a few of them talk about
them arriving here and needing a human workforce. Well, isn't that primitive having
a slave species? These Sumerian stories and the Biblical stories translated in the way
I think they should be, imply that our ancestors were here mining working in
minds. Visitors and people say, isn't it primitive to use human beings as
miners? Well, yes it is, But then look at what we do
when we invade each other's countries. We invade them because we've got higher tech,
and then we still enslaved the locals to bring all the natural resources to
us so we can take them home. Why would we not expect to see
something similar interplanetary level? And our ancestors say, that's exactly what did happen.
Just going back to what you mentioned at the beginning of us invading Iraq,
Afghanistan and all of that stuff, there was a documentary I have to
give credit from where I've seen it from, but it was from the Secret
Space documentary by I forgot the name of the guy who put it out.
But there's actual footage. It's heartbreaking footage of us going into their holy places
and destroying a lot of stuff, tanks running over these ancient monuments and destroying
these images and taking a lot of it. And those places are very ancient,
and you know, go back to our genesis from Iraq, Afghanistan,
those places being ancient Babylon and these places that are mentioned of in the scriptures,
and we're invading them and taking all of the holy relics and destroying their
history and all of those things. I guess going back, you know,
with seeing that, I've seen that for myself, Like, what do you
think the reason is? Is it so that they can erase any trace of
a history, so that they can retell it, and which is you know,
history is his story. Whoever is prevailing at the time gets to kind
of rewrite the history books and tell you where we came from and who our
God is and all of this kind of stuff. True, I think you've
hit the nail on the head. I think that's exactly what it is.
And in the Scars of Eden, I identify many moments through history where that's
exactly what's happened. Where we invade, we take over the truth and erase
all previous knowledge of who we are and where we came from So that includes
you know, burning books, that includes executing priesthoods. It includes in Australia
last year blowing up Aboriginal Australian sites with hard copy of their knowledge of our
ancestry and our history. And it includes driving tanks over sacred sites in Iraq.
It's all part of the same destruction of memory. That destruction of memory
is part of the story of the Hebrew Scriptures, where there is a huge
forgetting that's actually commanded in the Ten Commandments that Moses gave. It begins by
saying, you must serve no powerful ones other than this one. That one
is taken the name Yahweh. You mustn't down to them, and you mustn't
even depict them as far as to say no, that's right. And so
you've got through the stories of the Hebrew canon the destruction of ancient sites even
then. And so that story begins then or continues then, and has rolled
on ever since. It means the destruction of ancient sites, it means the
suppression of ancient narratives. And I talk about executing priesthoods. There was a
lot of that in the fifteen hundreds, as the New World was being conquered
by the Catholic forces of Portugal and Spain and other forces besides of course.
But you know, when I was growing up in the UK, that pattern
was still continuing. We had a scientific research facility I used to cycle passed
every morning on my way to school, and they were working on technology for
Ronald Reagan's Star Wars initiative, and there was a lot of intrigue around what
that was all about, because the way Ronald Reagan had phrased the announcement of
it, and the huge sums of money being diverted into it raised the question
of whether these were space bound weapons to police war on Earth or if we
were talking about an extraterrestrial threat. While all those questions were in the air,
and while the technology was being worked on, twenty five research scientists working
on it committed suicide one after the other. And it was so glaringly not
the case that these were suicides. I mean, the coroners refused to sign
them down as suicides. It was open verdicts. They kept returning. And
then I think it was Clive Jenkins, the Union leader in Britain at that
time for research scientists among others, actually came forward went to the press,
spoke to the television cameras and said, this is statistically impossible. These suicide
slash murders must be looked into. We need a government inquiry, and the
Government of the day under Margaret Patcher said no inquiry is needed. The Minister
has already given an answer. These were suicide. It's an unfortunate chain of
coincidences. Now, when you have an unfortunate chain of coincidences that glaring,
you realize it really is a threat to anybody else not to divulge what they
know. So it's not just the destruction of ancient knowledge, it's the destruction
of current knowledge. We're now, though, in a rather interesting phase where
we've come out of that period of history and into a period that I would
regard as soft disclosure, where people are allowed to talk about things that are
going on technology that's been retrieved without death threats such as we're faced by the
people of Roswell, without finding that they'd committed suicide, such as happened in
the UK at that time. They're allowed to speak and we're hearing from people
from very authoritative positions now making these kinds of acknowledgments, and that's a big
shift that I've seen in my lifetime while my attention has been on the topic.
Wow, going back to the abduction phenomena and contact these right, you
know, we talked about this on the last episode. It's just like,
you know, even the term abduction, you don't really hear that term being
used a lot. You got to go back in history to see somebody who
comes forward and say I have been abducted. Now we're here in contact these,
I am a contact ee, they contacted me or experiencers. I've experienced
the craft and it's something pleasant, something beautiful to them change their life.
Mostly these days, I feel like it's in a good way versus mid nineties
and before you heard abductions and scary scenarios and a lot of this hybridization that
we were fearful and uh you know, you know, full of terror for
this stuff to happen, and people feel a connection of something divine, something
larger than themselves with this. Have you found and this is this is you
know, just a deep subject, but have you found these beings to be
relational mechanical because people feel like they're connected to God, connected the source,
relate the et phenomena back to the angelic even have you found the means to
be relational that this contact carries on even after the initial experience. Oh yes,
I have come to believe there's a great spectrum of experiences happening, and
certainly there are people who would report very dark and traumatizing experiences. My friend
and colleague G. L. Davies has produced a book called Harvest, which
has looked at an experience so right at the darkest end of the spectrum,
where not only does it look like a hybridization story, but it looks like
this poor person is being toyed with in order for her terror to be studied
or enjoyed. It's a horrible story, fascinating, very far reaching. And
then at the other end of the spectrum, if you go to Kenya and
if you can find people who've had these abduction experiences there, the tradition there
is called the Maharani story. Well, those people will often come back after
they're three years away and they say I was being held by the Maharani and
they're quite nice. You know, it was other than the fact I couldn't
return for three years, I quite enjoyed being with them. I regard them
as my friends. Now when people come back and share that kind of story
in Kenya, that's not very well received. And such a person, if
they dare speak that way, is either going to be taken to the doctor
for some psycho effective medication or they'll be taken to the past to have a
demon driven out of them, because people don't like they don't like the nice
end of the spectrum. And yet in the Scars of Eden, I talk
about a conversation I've had with Barbara Lamb, who has more than two thousand
case studies people she has personally examined with regard to their experiences of abduction,
and many of them, once they've come to terms with what's happening to them,
would say, well, no, they didn't hurt me. Actually they
were quite friendly. And as they retrieve memory, they realize, just as
you were saying, truth Seeker, they have had visits from the age of
five all the way through their lives and there is a relationship. There's a
lady in Australia called Jane Pooley who is very credible, intelligent lady. She's
had a career in nursing, she has three regular children, and then she
claims that she has produced two hybrid children as a consequence of being an experiencer,
a contactee, an abductee since the age of five. And she would
say that being she's in touch with do have a warmth to them. They
don't have the same emotionality as us. It's not as developed as ours,
but you can have a relationship and a familiarity and a feeling of safety with
each other. That would be her report, and I think you're right.
We do hear more of that now. And I don't know if it's because
our culture has shifted and there's more opportunity for people to share stories like that
without being damned or ridiculed, although I think in the mainstream people who have
these experiences do guard them pretty tightly, and in the research I've done for
the Scars of Eden, I believe these experiences are far more widespread than we
would ever imagine, and that's because of the secrecy with which most of these
stories are carried. A question for you as well, when you talk about
a lot of these people disappearing for three years, you hear stories about people
who have been gone for twenty years but they come back and it's only been
three seconds. Is some of this what we're talking about, or are some
of these people on record for being missing for three years or did three seconds
feel like three years? Well, the case is that I have looked at
and that I reflect on in the Scars of Eden the second kind, where
the person was in our timeline gone for three years and in their timeline gone
for three years. So it's really that very four dimensional world story that I'm
talking about that fits within our paradigms, other than the fact that there's this
other presence involved. Yeah, So I mean, what do you think about
those stories though? Do they is the is that in the worldview of something
that could happen, because we're we're talking about some pretty interesting stuff. Is
that something that could happen? Or is it pretty fictitious? Because you've got
a lot of Charlatans that have kind of written books and have studied other works
and interjected and made up stories, I feel like that, are you know,
sensationalizing this phenomena? Yeah, well, you know, of course you
have to begin by saying anything's possible, But it is difficult to respond to
stories where there's no way of corroborating a story. If I can put it
that way, someone reports an experience, if there's no way of verifying it,
then it just has to remain a story that we think about and wonder
about. And I'm not being flippant when I say anything as possible, because
consciousness is a very interesting thing that many people who report close encounters will say
I was aware my consciousness was being interfered with my perception of time, or
my lack of fear, or my sedation was an interference in my mind or
my consciousness. Although say I was taken to such and such a place,
I think they took me physically, but it may have been something they did
through manipulating my consciousness. Well, as soon as you're in that territory,
then three years slash three minutes might suddenly have some kind of a framework.
And another thing when we're talking about consciousness, if you can accept the possibility
that we are primarily conscious beings and that our consciousness precedes our material life and
follows it. As soon as your consciousness is absent from your material body,
time doesn't mean the same thing at all. Think about the speed at which
you dream. You know, the amount of story you can get into a
dream in a split second to incorporate the dog licking your face. You know,
you might have half a day's story in your dream that culminates in the
dog licking your face. That's a little clue that our consciousness can really operate
very very fast. People who have near death experiences or out of body experiences
often say, in that state, there is no time. And so maybe
if we're listening to stories of I was gone for three years it turned out
to be three minutes, maybe we're listening to a story of consciousness. But
when others come back and say I was used as a soldier in such and
such a place for twenty years and I came back and I was still sixteen,
Well that's an interesting story, but I have no way of verifying it.
I'm happy to listen with respect, but I just don't really know what
to do with that story. Yeah, there's a lot of that, you
know, and I've I've tried to focus on repeatability. Yeah, come back,
come back, come come, give us a sign, those kind of
things, and I've had some luck. You know, it's not one hundred
percent, it's very low, but there's there's you know, if you gaze
at the sky long enough, you'll see some really interesting things. And I
think people who have had abduction scenarios that if you begin to stargauge, you
begin to see some very interesting movement in the sky is above your house,
in the area that you live. I'll say that the skies are active.
I'll say that a couple of different places. I want to go. I
want to go and kind of question some of this stuff a little bit for
you and just see what you'd say. I don't know exactly what we've recovered
on the last episode. This is just stuff that that I like talking about,
but I want to kind of set it up a little bit from your
perspective of a biblical worldview for the person who is a believer, you know,
which is me. You know what I'm saying, and I've I've come
to rationalize it and see how this fits into my faith plays a very big
part of my faith. Doesn't go against the Bible, actually makes it quite
literal, makes it versus something that is fantasy and allegory, which there's definitely
those aspects that we love of the scriptures, but something quite literal that happen
of these creators and these gods who are watching over us. From Genesis to
revelation and are still here now. For the believer, for the person that's
brand new to this, how does this fit in to a biblical worldview of
our creators, the angelic Elohem and all of that being literal beings that came
here and did I would say, God's work in seeding us on the planet
and things like that. How would this tie into a biblical worldview for somebody
who's brand new to this whole elohem phenomena. Yeah, in a word,
translation, I mean translation of the languages of the original texts. And if
I were to go to the beginning of Christian history and listen to church fathers
like Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr Origin and Marcian, they were
people who believed Plato's explanation of beginnings. Plato believed in God, and when
he talked about the nature of God, his story was in the beginning was
consciousness, and then that consciousness expressed itself in the material universe. The material
universe is there in order for consciousness to be hosted that experiences itself, and
the theory of panspermia is a nuts and bolts a version of that view.
The idea that the genetic coding for biological conscious life seeded through the cosmos.
That's just a mechanical way of saying what Plato said. Now, these church
fathers held that view. Plato also believed that life was evolving happily on planet
Earth, including our ancestors, and then some other beings from somewhere else landed
on planet Earth and genetically modified our ancestors and adapted us the greater consciousness and
intelligence. These church fathers believed all that, and that would shock some people
because it sounds very different to the traditional Christian view of where we all came
from. How could church fathers believe that and believe the Bible at the same
time. The answer translation. When you go back to the stories of beginnings
in the Bible and drill down into some translation anomalies, make some translation switches.
The story Plato tells is in the Bible, and it is the story
that is derived from the Sumerians, and it is the story that repeats in
ancestral narratives around the world. And the translation switches are around some really keywords.
Elohim is a keyword, Rua is a keyword, Cavod is a keyword.
Tub is a keyword. Thank you for that one. Tohu Abohu is
another. I'll go to Elohim, which was the entry point for me.
Elohim is the word, the earliest word in the Bible that gets translated as
God. But if you take it to its root meanings, it means the
powerful ones. And as soon as you see that, you realize why Elohim
takes plural verbs and exhibits plural behaviors and plural agendas. So the powerful ones
say, let us make humans to look like one of us. The powerful
ones say, we don't want the humans to be too much like one of
us. The powerful ones conflict over how intelligent the human beings should be.
The powerful ones conflict in Genesis eleven over how much technology humans should have.
And you realize that the powerful ones the el hymn. That's the Hebrew word
for anunaki, it's the Hebrew word for the sky people. It's the Hebrew
word for those who engineer, and the means of American stories. So that's
a bit of a red pill. As soon as you make that translation switch,
take it to the root meaning, reread the stories. The et aspect
of what the Bible is telling us becomes as clear as day, and so
I tell people I'm in no way out to debunk the Bible. I want
to understand it. I want to understand the texts that have been so carefully
curated for thousands of years and understand what the words actually mean. My first
love was languages and linguistics, and I studied German, French, Latin,
Italian, Portuguese, Greek, maybe a couple of others I can't quite remember
now, And so when I came to my theology, I brought all that
sort of sensitivity with me. So whenever I go to a text, my
first question is what do the words mean if I want to understand the text.
So Elohim is absolutely vital, bene Elohim, I say, that's the
second wave of ets, because bene Elihim means ones like the powerful ones who
turn up and they're in con a conflict with the original powerful ones. On
and on it goes, and then you've got moments in the Bible where there
is technology being described. The Ruach that arrives and over the floodwaters of the
devastated planet, that's Tohuabohu. The Rua is a craft it gets translated as
the spirit at that point, but you go to the route meaning a ruah
is a thing that creates a strong wind, and the ruaj arrives and starts
terraforming. Well, the Philippines have exactly the same story. They say the
thing that came and hovered over the waters was like a hawk, and they
call it Tagalog and with its wings they say it created these vortices of wind
to clear the land. The Sumerians begin with the sky people coming down from
the skies and then four winds clearing the lands. And the correlations again absolutely,
And the the Edo people and the Yoruba people of Nigeria tell the same
story, coming down from the guy and then clearing the land. So the
correlations are fascinating and they make sense when you do the translation and you realize
rua is a craft. Go to the book of Ezekiel and it tells you
what the ruah look like, sounded like, how it moved, so on
and so forth. So it's really a matter of revealing what's in the texts
and understanding that in the Hebrew canon, you've got a whole library of literature,
you have got devotional literature, You've got literature about God the cosmic source,
and the prophets who have that vision use the name Yahweh, but that
name has actually been pasted over these earlier stories that are not about the cosmic
source. They are about the ets who came colonized our planet and governed over
our ancestors. And do a little bit of translation and you realize it is
all in the mix. So it's not an either or, it's not God
or aliens. It is the whole story, the wholeship bang. They are
all part of the picture. So with that being said, you're naming all
of these different tribes, all of these different religious backgrounds and beliefs and civilizations
that believed the exact same thing. Their creation story is similar with christiandom and
with the Bible. We've claimed exclusivity as all of these other regions and religions.
There comes a point and if we're just studying the creation story, that
we have to give up exclusivity because we find it being echoed. There's names
that are borrowed from other nations that are in the Bible. There's stories that
are borrowed and just the names are you know, change to protect the protect
certain people see stories that are told over and over, but there's just little
details that change. And so even with that being said, you've got to
give up some of this exclusion civity and be able to say, you know
what, I see the similarities. It doesn't stop there. It doesn't stop
with creation. It doesn't stop with the gods or with the Elo, or
with the Aliens, or with the Ennaki or whatever, or you know,
the star gods. It goes into the Christ's story and the thirteen risen saviors,
if you will, and and and things begun begin to be a little
bit more inclusive versus exclusive, as we've been told that this is ours and
we need to convert you to this. We find the Biblical narrative to be
a very inclusive, a very universal tradition and uh practice and and mirrors and
mimics practices from all over the world. When did you make that that that
voyage to to open up and to be able to see God in more than
just what you were You were taught of the Christianity, the Catholic Church and
all this, and to be able to look at the Egyptian text and see
the beauty in it, to look at the Doo and see the beauty to
look at Ethiopian eunichs, you know, in just every single one and see
the lines that definitely cross and intersect definitely. Well, when did I really
gradually through many many years and through studying texts, but also through experience.
So I'll come back to the exclusively exclusivity question is really important, It's very
profound. I'll come back to the Jesus story at the moment. But if
I say that when I was first a Christian, I became a Christian when
I was seventeen, having previously been an atheist, and when I came to
faith, it was a time of renewal in the church. Is meaning that
a lot of people were having very powerful spiritual, transcendent experiences and then we
had to get our head around what this meant. And some of these experiences
were very powerful spontaneous healings. So in my church, there was a lady
who began seeing through an eye that had no optic nerve, and she'd been
blind for years because of no optic nerve. Well, that is what you
call a miracle. And we were seeing things like that happening. We wanted
to get into that, and so we were learning about healing modalities within the
Christian tradition, and those modalities would include placing hands over an injured area with
the intention of bringing physical healing. Sometimes you would speak to an injury or
to a body part as if it was an intelligent entity and start telling it
what to do. Those kinds of modalities things we see Jesus doing in the
Gospels, and I saw amazing healings happen through those modalities. Well, as
I grew up, left home, went to bath the university, started exploring
the world. I started discovering other people were doing this who were not Christians,
people with no religious faith or spirituality, were doing exactly the same thing
with the results well often getting the same results. And that was the confronting
thing. So it wasn't just that they were copying us, No, they
were getting the same result. And I had to begin doing business with the
idea that God was much much bigger than this little box I'd been living in.
So things like that clued me all. From time to time, I'd
meet people who we would do what we called prophetic ministry in our church.
That were often people were able to download information about you, and you'd think,
how on earth did they just do that, and I thought, well,
that's the Spirit of God's speaking to his people, the Christians to help
other Christians. And then as I started getting out into the world, I
realized, no, this is happening to other people. Other people are having
this experience. People who might call themselves psychics are doing exactly the same thing.
Chiropractice doing exactly the thing following the intuition. It's exactly the same as
listening to the spirit. And so I had to begin processing all that.
Now come back to the Jesus text, which is more recent at work for
me. And it comes down again to translation, because I have realized so
much of what we read in our ancient texts and not is this isn't just
Christians doing it with the Bible or Jews doing it with the Bible. People
do it in Buddhist texts, Indu texts. We read it through a lens.
This is a religious text, we say to ourselves, and so we
hear it in a certain way. Well, the Gospel of Matthew gives us
a little summary of the first teaching that Jesus toured with. And again,
if you use the root meanings of the words instead of read the translation with
all the cultural layers that go on that language that we read into the text,
go to the root meanings. Jesus's first sermon that he toured with said
this, the amazing power of the Source is available to everyone. That was
his sermon. That's what he told people, And then he went around showing
what that looked like in terms of healing, entity removal, emotional freedom,
living without fear. He was demonstrating what it means that the amazing power of
the Source is available to everyone. You get into the Book of Acts in
the New Testament, and it's the same story. The Book of Acts begins
with people having this powerful transcendent experience, and the apostle Peter quotes one of
those prophets from the Hebrew Scriptures saying, the Spirit of God has been poured
out on all flesh. Yes, Joel, Joel, he's quoting. That's
right, not all Christians, not all religious people, on all flesh.
And then the apostles start touring the part of the world they were in and
they start discovering it's true. They keep meeting people who are already in contact
with the Source, who are already in contact with God, and they're seeing
manifestations of that, and so they're catching up with this a great outpouring as
they see it. And then the apostle Paul, I'm going back and listening
to him afresh because I realized Plato's description of God is very closely echoed by
Paul. Because Paul goes to Athens one day and he asked to clarify what
he means by God. Suddenly, speaking to an audience that has no Jewish
language or Jewish heritage, is going to have to explain from scratch what he
means. So he says in his little sermon, by God, I mean
the source of the cosmos and everything in it, that in which we all
live and move and have our being. Yeah. I love that definition because
that's a definition I think a lot of people can do business with. It's
not a religion. You know what he was quoting there, right, Yes,
one of your poets, he said, the Hymn of Zeus. Of
Zeus. He was using their own text to show them the beauty of the
Creator in all things. Yes he was. And I love that because what
respect he was giving to the knowledge and wisdom outside of Judaism, outside of
Christianity, saying your poet has already got here. He doesn't quote Plato,
he quotes somebody else. You already know this, and I think that is
so powerful. The moment you believe what Paul says that by God we mean
the source of the cosmos and everything in it, that in which we all
live and move and have our being, suddenly you've demolished the whole notion of
separation and fear that so much religion is built on. And when the Empire
hijacked Christianity, it used that idea of separation and fear to refeudalize society with
a religious gloss over it. So now it would be considered that to be
a good Christian you have to be subject subject to the priests, subject to
the bishop, subject to the emperor. And you're in a feudalized, monolithic
society and know you're not allowed to think for yourself, and don't read anything
written by someone who's thought for themselves either, And that was the world we
got locked into as all orthodoxy got militarized. But go back to the roots,
and here's this far more cosmic, empowering vision that we are all connected
with Source, and that that can manifest in the most amazing and wonderful ways.
So for me personally, that reframing gives me a more confident, richer
sense of connection with God than I think I've ever had. Yep, and
you know, it's it's something that's happening globally. There's an awakening happening.
And what would you speak to that. I mean, I would say my
story, I would say your story, very similar one. But that's starting
to happen across the globe. I feel like a lot of us were like
forerunners to a lot of this. It was kind of early on we found
some of this work in some of these things that piqued our interests. But
now it's global. It's something that that there is an awakening happening in the
hearts and the minds of people who have been bewitched, who have been under
the spell of the clergy and those things. But now there's a freedom.
And as we're opening honest with these stories, they're seeing that hold on.
There is some steady stable ground under this for me to explore, to really
talk about and explore the subjects that I feel like the creator God has drawn
me to, whether it be UFOs and aliens, whether it be studying the
science of miracles, which have been beautifully explained by Joda Spenza and these kind
of guys who who you know, would draw a red flag in the eyes
of religion, but people were finding it being more inclusive. But do you
think that people have to give up their religion though their faith in Christ?
Then have you had to give up your faith in Christ and the beauty of
the Cross and those things and the old rugged cross, if you will,
have you had to take more of a different nuance of what that means for
you? And what about others coming along after you? Different nuance? Certainly,
I still regard myself as a Christian because I love Jesus's teachings and I
seek to live my life according to them. But yes, there's been some
reframing, and it has to do with the claim to exclusivity. I think
the moment you begin to unravel the hijacking of Christianity that happened, and you
begin to see some of the doctrines that were pushed forward by the Church in
order to manipulate people, you start unraveling that, and quite frankly, again
translation you only have to do translation to do that. Translate the word Gehennah
if anyone wants a white rabbit to follow the Church has translated it as hell
with all the horrible doctrines that go with that. Gehinnah doesn't mean that Jesus
came and he warned people against behaviors that would ruin their lives. Now,
once you have processed that, I would put it strongly, the gospel changes.
You're looking at a different gospel the moment you've done that translation work.
Jesus came to help, and he came to help anyone who would listen to
him. His own story is part of a wider story. Christians tell the
story of the virgin birth as a reason to regard Jesus as unique. Where
you start researching world mythology ancestral narratives, and you'll realize that an anomalous pregnancy
resulting in an anomalously clever and sensitive and wise person is a recurring story.
The story of Jesus's birth and his mother's pregnancy is a repeat of what happened
to his aunt and his cousin Elizabeth, and his cousin John the Baptist.
That story is told us a repeat of what happened with Abraham and Sarah and
their son Isaac. That story is the story of a close encounter with three
sky people Arians would call them. So join the dots. Here, we've
got a close encounter with ets resulting in an anomalous pregnancy resulting in a very
important human being to the history of planet Earth. Well, we've got three
of those right there. And then you listen to the story of the Yellow
Emperor l'atsu Vipasi Buddha, the twenty second incarnation of Buddha before Sidhatagatama Buddha.
It's the same pattern, and those are part of a wider range of stories
that we might refer to as the stories of star children or indigo children.
There are mothers today who may tell you, although again these are stories very
closely kept, they might have four kids and they'll say there's something different about
kid number three, and there was something unusual about their pregnancy, and in
their belief, there was some external factor that meant that child came out more
conscious, more sensitive, more intelligent, something transcendent about them. Well,
Jesus's story fits absolutely in that wide pattern. Now, at first that can
come across as very threatening to a traditional Orthodox Christian because hang on isn't that
why Jesus is the Son of God? Isn't that why he's the Savior?
Well, don't panic, don't panic. You know that story, Just realize
it's part of a bigger story and a bigger vision of God than perhaps you've
done business with before. But you know, for different people, it'll be
a different white rabbit. Yeah, but ultimately it leads to the same great
rabbit Warren And you realize all these topics that connected this, they all feed
into one another, and it's part of getting a bigger view of what's going
on where we're living or where we're from and who we are. Yeah,
and it's part of a bigger thing. And you got to give You have
to give up your exclusivity, like, no, this is mine, you
can't have it. No, it's for everyone, it really is. And
God is dealing with everyone as Benny not Bennie tripping. Billy Graham at the
end of his life talks about how God has a remnant and a people for
his namesake that are all over the earth and they have maybe never even as
even so much have heard the name of Jesus spoken, Yes, but they
are part of the body of Christ. Listen. Billy Graham, the great
evangelist of our day, said that before he passed. Absolutely I take my
hat off to Billy Graham, And you know, I acknowledge he was a
human being. He had his flaws, but he made an amazing journey,
and I think he made that journey as a man of integrity. I actually
worked as a counselor at a couple of Billy Graham missions, and I watched
first hand in action, and I really loved watching him work. And there
was a great humility to the way he did it. Oh, and there
was a humility to the man in broadening his view as he got older.
He used to be very strong on that exclusivity. And then toward the end,
just as you were saying, truth seeker, he was acknowledging God has
not left himself anywhere without testimony. And he got so much flat He's amazing.
Bo said, Yeah, that's right, he's sold out. Something's happened
to him spiritually. That lit a fire in me. Man to see the
greatest evangelists of our day at the end of his run, he's done it
all, traveled the world, preached the gospel hundreds of thousands of people,
and then at the end say, you know what, God is more inclusive
and more loving than we've thought, and he is with everyone man. That
really helped me in my awakening to be more inclusive and to share the gospel,
declare the gospel as the wonderful work of God that's already happened, and
there's nothing that you can do to change God's mind about the way that he
feels towards you. It revolutionized it for me. There's a couple of questions
here in the Chat, and people are asking about you know, Jesus was
different because he was the only one, only person that ever came through the
Holy Spirit, and he was conceived through the Holy Spirit and not as a
as a sexual encounter. I'm just gonna I'm gonna give my thought. We
don't have to go deep into this. This is my thought. My studies
have led me to the understanding biblically that Joseph was the biological father of Jesus,
and that he was of the Holy Spirit and his spirit was with the
Father before he came to the earth. And and also that you got to
understand to think that Mary was a virgin. Jesus has two older brothers,
and Mary was a virgin. We're not gonna we don't gotta explore it.
I want to. I want to go to let me. I want to
give another angle on that as well. I'm really I love a longer conversation
with you on that true seeker. But not unique because his cousin, same
story exactly of the Isaac, the same story. It's the Holy Spirit.
In the case of John the Baptist, it's the same angel whatever that is,
who turns up. And it's after that encounter that Elizabeth is pregnant.
So even within the storytelling of the Gospel itself, No, Jesus's conception is
not unique, not even in the Gospel. So I throw that out as
a challenge. I'm with you, and even whether whether you think it's you
know, I think it's it's it's he had a human father, But it
doesn't change the fact of his deity, I would say, and who he
was, and his message and what he brought. That he was of the
Holy Spirit, just like many of you are. We're conceived of the Holy
Spirit, with a message and with an identity to bring as well. We're
going to open up the phone lines now. I know there's a lot of
people listening right now. If you guys have a question for Paul or myself,
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If you want to join the discussion, we'll open the phone lines up.
So we've kind of tied that into a biblical worldview. I know,
we kind of deviated a little bit. I did that to bring it back.
I want to bring it back to the aliens. I want to bring
it back to the UFOs. Interesting, somebody in chat who's speaking up a
good bit two questions that I wrote down. They kind of ask these questions
in chat. So I want to bring it back to the fallen angels.
So you even mentioned the beneha Alaheim or even in Genesis chapter six, there
were different beings and most people will say the fallen angels came down and made
it with women or angels who left their first estate. And you know there's
a lot of different nuance even in that of these fallen angels or these demonic
entities which we call aliens. And like you know, just as well as
I do, most Christians believe that aliens are demons, and I'm trying to
undo that stigma. Demons are demons, aliens or aliens? What would you
say with fallen angels and these people who will say that these are the entities
that are coming down are demonic fallen angels that are trying to mate with humanity
and part of this hybridization and even working with our government. And that was
the second part of the question. But what would you say to that whole
idea of these demons and things that are where you're calling aliens or gods are
actually demons. Yeah, okay, the word demon does not mean the same
as fallen angels. You know, if you just read the stories, you
realize those words refer to totally different kinds of entity. Fallen angel, Yes,
that's fair, left their first estate. That's fair because that's the language
of the texts the way they're translated. But you've got to stop and ask
what is a fallen angel? We use the word angel, and we tend
to imagine a holy, transcendent, spiritual kind of being. But the stories
of the Fallen Angels are of biological entities who were similar enough to human beings
that they could hybridize with them. Okay, Now, if you're willing to
accept that when you use the word angel, you're talking about a biological entity,
then fine, use the word. But the word itself only indicates that
the biological entity you're looking at is on a mission. That's all the word
angel tells you. Follow the story, and what you're looking at is biological
entities. You came from the stars, from the skies, came to Earth
hybridized, and it created a huge controversy and a great stink and a conflict
among the non human demographics in the story. That's the very least that you
can say. And for my money, if we're talking about non human biological
entities coming from space, I'm very comfortable with calling that an alien or an
et. Yeah, that's the difference there is the alien or et and then
the difference between what some people would call a demon the word angel. Though,
I would just come back to the point about the word angel indicates function,
indicates someone on a mission. It gets used for those entities, but
it will be used to describe totally different kind of entities in other stories.
So some of them are on a good mission, some are on a mission
to help. So please don't think because you've got the word angel in English
in your English text, that it's telling you about the same kind of entity
every time you see it. This is why for me, everything's about translation
and going back to the original texts. And I'm of a different opinion when
we're talking about demons, right, demons and angels whatever that means, right,
because the word angel means messenger. We know this, but the demons,
the real demons, not fallen angels. Again, those are different entities.
But the demons carry a message as well. The demons are messengers too,
Jesus, that's true. Jesus manifested that showed that different types of lifestyles,
different types of sins would welcome or open you up for a different type
of demonic activity or attack. But it was a message. There were messengers,
and so there's definitely a difference there with demons and angels. They're also
not physical beings. If you're thinking about demons in the Hebrew tradition, Yeah,
they're not physical beings. They are energy based parasitical beings, and that's
something else. In other traditions, the word demon does mean something physical,
but not in the Hebrew tradition, even though they're not physical, right,
So those would be different type of entities if we're going back to Genesis in
the creation story. But for the phenomena of someone waking up in their room
and having an entity at the edge of their bed, most you hear both.
It's an alien, it's a demon. I was abducted. They've tried
to stick things in me, they were looking at me, they were laying
on my chest. I've had these experiences. Yes, I feel like a
lot of people tying them all together where they were saying that their aliens or
their demons, or they're the same thing. But these are different entities,
and I feel like there's a mixture there. Have you Have you thought of
that? I definitely have. In fact, that whole topic of that confusion
is part of the story thread that runs through the Scars of Eden, because
I begin by talking about an encounter I had when I was twenty years old
with some entities in my apartment in bath and at the time, I didn't
know what they were. It was a terrifying experience, and as I reflected
on it as a young Christian, I thought, well, that must have
been a demonic encounter because it was horrible. It was scary, and they
shouldn't have been there. And the only boxes I had in my worldview were
God, the devil, angels, demons, human, animal, vegetable,
mineral. It's got to be one of those. I had no other boxes.
Yeah, now that I've done a bit more research and realized there are
a heap of other boxes, I go back to that story and think,
uh, not demonic. They were physical entities. They weren't human. I
need to take a different box if I'm to really understand what that was about.
I'm with you. In my book, I covered elementals, and I've
encountered elemental beings, and there's even a lot of Christians starting to talk about
elementals. The I think it's storky on. I think it's the Greek word
and the elements that are mentioned in the New Testament, and I started writing
around the elementals and I've had I've had encounters with beings that are made out
of the elements, and it goes back into law and ancient literature. But
even when you're breaking down a category of yes, I encountered the elementals,
hold on which ones? We're just talking about Earth, their fire and water,
you know, those those elements and elementals that vibrate on those levels of
frequency. No, there's like a lot more. There's the shades, there's
the undines. There's so many more entities that are in that universe, if
you will. Right, and we're talking about UFOs and aliens and angels,
we haven't even begin to talk about the different races or the different factions,
if you will, of benevolent and benevolent ET's that are watching over us or
trying to communicate with humanity as well. That's so true. And you know,
even if you were to confine yourself within the Bible, you've got other
entities named. You've got elementals, you've got shining ones, you've got spirits
whatever they are, that will communicate with you. Yeah, yeah, that's
what You've got, all those. And then the moment you're willing to say
there may be information outside of the Bible, your worldview is going to explode
way open, and you're realize this is a far more interesting planet and universe
we live in than ever you thought before. Now Again, so I mentioned
some of the stuff and I just kind of just let it slip there,
the saying that our government may be working with some of these entities, whether
they're falling angels, whether they're are creators. You know what? Would you
say? That? There's something called the my Lab experiments, and there's very
very interesting whether that's dealing with hybridization, that people who have reported being abducted
or being upon ships and waking up and seeing what we would describe as some
kind of alien grays or reptilian type beings and then they look in the corner
and there's men in military garb. Oh. Yes, and how how disturbing
that would be. I mean, it's bad enough that you're in some environment
you don't know where it is, with enterities what they are, and then
when you realize, hey, that's some of our guys standing over there.
Well, how are you going to live your life after that kind of experience?
But yes, absolutely, I believe that is what's going on. I
believe that we have had contact at covert government levels for a long long time,
more than seventy years. Robert Kirk I mentioned was a Presbyterian minister who
went to abber Foyle and Scotland and wrote a book that he put out in
the early sixteen hundreds called The Secret Commonwealth. Now, Presbyterian minister, you
don't come much more conservative than that in the Christian world. And yet this
is what he is saying. There's another presence that has not only an involvement
in human affairs, but has an influence over human government. That's four hundred
years ago, that was being said just before Christmas. To bring it up
to the present day, Haim Ashad, the former chief of space security for
Israel, the brigadier general who held that position for twenty seven years, came
out and said that on the basis of his experience and work, his understanding
is that there is an intergalactic federation in contact at a covote government level that
has chosen not to self disclose until humanity's understanding of space is a bit more
developed. Well, do we believe him if he's telling the truth and he's
only repeating what our ancestors have said for thousands of years, then all of
a sudden, well maybe you shouldn't be surprised if there are some guys in
our uniform standing in the corner while you're being probed. Yes, I believe
Covote contact Ed Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon, the
late Ed Mitchell. I think it would be to find a man of greater
honor and integrity than that, even while bound by layers and layers of official
secrets laws, campaigned for the USA to declassify its UFO files and come clean
about the contact it has with et demographics. So I believe him. I
believe hey, Mishad and so yes, that means there is some kind of
conversation going on. The reason that ed Mitchell wanted all that to be disclosed
is because he believed that as a species, we should be at that table.
We should be part of the conversation. We should be able to say,
this is our planet, this is us, these are our agendas,
and to have the intelligence to have diplomatic relationships with other demographics who are with
us, who are for us, now have a nurturing relationship to us,
because our ancestors say that there are people here from the Pleiades, there are
people here from Lyra, there are people here from Sirius who have a very
protective and generous relationship towards humanity. If that's true. If that's the case,
if we have friends at the table, then we need to be there.
I'm part of the conversation. Ed Mitchell believed it was possible. Hey,
mis Shed believes it's possible, which is why he made the statement.
They have more privileged information than I do, but they certainly give me the
confidence to believe the same thing. What do you think that this is getting
us ready for? And I guess what is the purpose of your book?
Do you think that this is getting people ready for disclosure that's going to happen,
whether it's from our government or just from the skies. Ah, yes,
good to give people. That's a good distinction. I think if we're
thinking about disclosure from human authorities, disclosure is always blended with cover up.
You know, if a document is declassified, that's great. What was the
document that wasn't declassified? Or if a document is declassified, great can I
read the redacted bits? There's always a blend that happens in these moments of
disclosure, and I think some of the reasoning behind the soft disclosure we're in
now where we've got a number of senior figures like Haymashed speaking about these things,
maybe as a kind of insurance policy against disclosure coming from non human authorities
that if suddenly it becomes blindingly obvious, we've got company. The government can
say, oh, don't you remember we told you this, Remember the Senate
briefings. They'll say, in a few months time, we told you this
was the case. And it's sort of as an insurance measure rather than will
come clean, We'll tell you everything we know. So I don't know if
I put it as strongly as getting us ready. I think having some kind
of safety net for if the news comes out, I think that's more where
we're at in my opinion. Yeah, I'm with you. We have a
question here from Adam starcit Bay, and he wants to know what are your
ideas or findings about the many mysteries of Antarctica. Many people who come on
here, especially when we're talking about flat Earth. All the flat Earth guys
are like Antarctica. All signs point to this ice wall that we cannot get
past whatever in Antarctica that is another alien civilization on that side. But what
are your findings and does that stick out to you at all. It is
fascinating. It's not a topic I've really delved into at this point, but
there are certain reasons to do that, not least Admiral birds testimony from all
those decades ago, not least the no go areas that exists. I strongly
suspect we are looking at a presence there, that we're looking at current technology
and buried technology. I think that there is a rich vein to be studied
in Antarctica. I've not yet done that study myself, so I can't really
speak to it. I just say, yeah, keep looking in that direction
because there's stuff going on there. What do you think let's just go out
on a limb just here at the end of the show. What do you
think our craziest technology that we have right now the government has on the planet.
What do you think the craziest technology is the craziest technology that we have?
Well, I think that part of our conversation with some of iet neighbors
has included a system of travel through the cosmos that is connected to consciousness.
If you watch the science fiction, we're at a point now where the ships
turn up like that, they just pop into this bit of space. And
I mentioned science fiction because privileged information has a way of leaking into filmmaking and
storytelling. And so if you've seen in Star Wars or Star Trek ships popping
into space, well that actually reflects what some of our military have reported.
I think that phenomenon has to do with travel through space or through subspace.
Might call it. That has connected consciousness with technology. And when you listen
to our naval personnel, our Air Force personnel talking about how some of these
UAPs maneuver, they say they're moving like their animals, Like you're looking at
a conscious thing rather than a craft that's being piloted. So I say collaboration
because I wouldn't go as far to say we have that technology. I think
our friends have that technology, and we've been with them when it's been deployed.
And maybe some of our ancients when they talk about being taken into another
region of space, they're talking about that kind of thing. So I find
that very very interesting. I think the moment you get into the role of
consciousness in material phenomena start joining the dots from some contemporary quantum research. Listen
to our ancestors when they took the celts talk about the seether or Aboriginal Australians
talk about dream time. I think we're in that territory where consciousness can actually
achieve real physical travel. So I think that's the most mind bending. At
the mechanical end, I think we have anti gravitic travel, and I think
maybe some of the UAPs are UFOs that have been viewed are part of that
experimentation process by us. So I think we've got at least those two things,
which is amazing enough. Yeah, the advanced technology, and then we're
talking about consciousness and how the technology is connected to our consciousness or our consciousness
is the advanced technology? Yes, being able to manifest and see some pretty
interesting things at will that for some people are getting faster and faster in order
to manifest things within their life or even UFO contact. Whatever these things are,
our gods, our ancestors, a future version of ourselves, your higher
self. There's a lot of different explanations that people. You know, whatever
is out there, a lot of it is connected to your thoughts and they
respond and show up and wink at your thoughts. It's very very interesting whether
we're creating it and it's showing itself in our reality as we ask for it
as we look for it, just like manifestation with the law of attraction,
whatever you look for shows itself to you. Well, let's step into the
universe with space, alien ancestors. Are you there with the vastness of space
and time and history on some timeline, it's out there. Well, can
you say hello? Can you show yourself to us? And we're seeing some
really, really really interesting things. When it comes down the lines of synchronicities
and and deja vus and the matrix and all of that, consciousness is more
explorative and you know, we can shape our reality through our thoughts and how
real it is. It is very, very, very interesting, and we
are pioneering that individually people can explore that on their own, without any schooling,
even without any train without any training, doing your own inner work and
just the spirit of expectancy placebo if you will, and be able to manifest
whatever kind of spiritual, supernatural or your reality that you're trying to weave.
I agree, I agree everything you've just said. And I think one of
the most freeing skills to develop in a personal exploration is to learn to ask
the universe your questions, ask the universe your questions and expect an answer,
and I'm finding that the more I ask, the more I see. Didn't
Jesus say that it's the asking one he receives. Yeah, Yeah, that's
it. You have not because you asked, if you ask now, And
that is a universal truth. And I don't think he made that up.
I think that that was even around hundreds, if not thousands of years before
we've got that story. But it is a truth that echoes throughout eternity.
Paul, what what's next? Man? What do you what do you see
coming down the pipeline? Well, right now I'm in the thick of launching
The Scars of Eden, so heaps of conversations, interviews, summits, conferences.
Hopefully we're both going to be at Holy Grail Multiverse in November at Palm
Springs, which I'm really looking forward to. I reckon if I if I
know my own rhythms right, it'll be July that I'll be sitting down to
begin working on the sequel of the Scars of Eden. And for that book,
I'm delving into the question of what other knowledge was buried along with our
ancestors knowledge of et contact, and in particular, I want to sit at
the feet of some of our elders of indigenous traditions, and the white rabbits
I'm following are people who've gone through traditional initiation in African tribal cultures who get
those questions answered for them at that point. Native American story is rich with
answers about our place in the cosmos. I'm going to go there, Aboriginal
Australian the same. I'm going to go there, and I have a particular
connection with the Philippines, and I'm going to go there and listen to what
our ancestors have known, have curated the knowledge that survived all the burnings and
bannings, and then looking at the evidences again in contemporary science and through history
that corroborate what our ancestors have to say. When you meet those people,
you'll find that there's an inner knowing that we both know something that we haven't
talked about or haven't been privy to articulate with the modern world. It's a
very beautiful experience to sit with the elders who keep and hold those traditions,
and I do think that many of them now are open to share with seekers
because of yes, a lot of that, a lot of that knowledge is
dying, whether it's being attacked, whether it's being taken by forced and erased
off of the face of the earth, which we've seen time and time again.
We talked about it at the beginning, so I think that those conversations
are even more needed from other people groups who want to learn about the Indigenous
ways and and how we receded here are spiritual and you'll find again, like
we said, releasing the exclusivity, seeing that a lot of these stories match
up. I remember going to the Native American reservation here in Porch, Alabama
and meeting people, shaking their hand, some of the elder Natives, and
I can feel the energy, and there was just this inner knowing, and
I said, hey, tell me about the Star people. Man, tell
me about the Star people. And they were Catholic, you know, they
had kind of renounced that kind of thing. I was just part of what's
what happened. But they still remember the stories and traditions of their youth and
they share them. That's right, And I do believe that some of the
elders who carry these stories are seeing how desperately the rest of us need the
knowledge that they have curated, and we're at a time where there is not
only the need, but I think a greater receptivity to go back to people
we've ignored and sit down and listen and receive and be informed. Yeah,
that's some beautiful people out there, Paul. Many blessings on your journey,
man. I know we'll do more stuff together. Really love what you're bringing
to the table. Resonate with your story, Resonate with your work. Thanks
so much for hanging out with me. Means the world. I know you're
busy and you get getting this good working word out there. Man, thanks
for hanging out with me. I really appreciate it. Let people know where
they can go to the best place to go to to find out more about
your work. And you have a great body of work as well. You
have a lot that you bring to the table, not just these books,
but other programs and documentaries even and all of those things. Let people know
where they can go to get involved. Sure. Well, for The Scars
of Eden, which is my latest book, you can go anywhere books are
sold Amazon, Kindle, Hive Book Depository, Barnes and Noble, and you
can get your copy there. And if you'd like to get into conversation with
me go to the Fifth Kind TV on YouTube or the Paul Wallace channel on
YouTube, and I'm always in the comments every day. I'm there having conversations
with people, comparing notes, and to keep up with everything I'm doing,
go to my website which is Paul Anthony Wallace dot com Anthony with an H.
Wallace w A L L I S. Paul Anthony Wallace dot com and
you can keep up with the documentaries, the books and everything else the research
that I'm doing. And Paul, you cover a lot of topics again,
spirituality, Jesus, history, religion, all of those things. You tie
it all back in. But there's something about your UFO, your alien work
that seems to be of interest of people. A lot of your videos are
in the millions of views. Now, is that something that you've seen that
there was an interest in and you just wanted to double down on what the
people were interested in researching? No, it's more me following my nose and
my passion and the things I'm finding out and joining the dots and happily finding
that a lot of people want to share that journey for sure. For sure,
Man, Hey appreciate it. Man, you got good content, good
work. I'm a subscribe connected. I love what you're doing and I'm really
looking forward to our next conversation too. For sure, we'll we'll find another
topic and uh and we'll we'll get down a rabbit hole. Brother, I
appreciate it. Man, many blessings, brood, peace, salone, the
good night. He's uh in Australia, it's mourning for him. So anyway,
uh, man, I hope you guys enjoyed that episode. I really
did. Paul Wallace is amazing and this subject can be taboo for for many
people. It could be scary. Again. I know people early on when
I was getting into a lot of this stuff who were afraid and and the
notion of ets and aliens that that they really believed in. But how does
it How do I reconcile it with my faith? And so that's the biggest
question because for many people, it undoes everything that they've been told, everything
that they've studied, all of their religious experience and religious encounter with the divine.
Was it merely chalked up to space aliens, you know? And so
that was very detrimental for a lot of people to wrap their head around.
And for some people it really messes up their faith. For me, it
had quite the opposite, because it wasn't detrimental, It didn't question my faith.
It made me believe that it was something more real, that there are
portals between heaven and Earth, and that the angels, the messengers, the
benehai Elohem, the watchers, all of these, these seraphim, the Rapayen,
the Cherubim, all of these angels that are traveling back and forth from
Heaven to Earth. Like the Bible says, and like all the other books
of antiquity say, whether you can go out under the night sky and with
an open mind and an open heart, you can see these travels. Now
you may not. You may have to spend more than five to fifteen minutes,
you may have to spend seven hours. But how bad do you want
it? I wanted it bad. Stayed out there hours every day, every
day, every day much as I could, looking up all the time,
driving, looking up, stargazing, listen. It made everything more real to
me that there were entities, that there were angels carrying messages, carrying essences.
The angels themselves are in essence, and essence is a message. The
Bible is full of this genesis. The revelation, and it made it more
real to me, and so that's why I study it. It is definitely
a part of my faith and it's the very real part. With that,
I'm gonna say piece and shalom. Thank you guys for hanging out. Make
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