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She's not 9 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:44,680 a Christ give your portal to the bar normal, esoteric and all things spiritual. 10 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:53,640 She's tempory, a doubt sided stuff and now your host Truth Beka Yo, 11 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:57,000 what is up ladies and gentlemen. I'm your host Truth This is the 12 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,799 Truth Secret Podcast. Excited and delighted as always to be in front of you, 13 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,280 to be talking about these beautiful subjects that are near and dear to my 14 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,960 heart, to be ready to explore, to pick my brain, my guest's 15 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:15,879 brain. That's always fun, to be interested in the topic. And that's 16 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,960 definitely the tonight's topic at hand. I am definitely interested in it. The 17 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:23,560 first conversation that we had was amazing. We had a beautiful time together, 18 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:29,800 but it was cut short due to some unforeseen circumstances such as a hurricane that 19 00:02:30,039 --> 00:02:35,599 was destroying the neighborhoods around me. But we tried to do a podcast until 20 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:38,960 all of the electricity was cut off. So we had such a good time, 21 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:42,520 and we've been building and connecting ever since. So I'm gonna go ahead 22 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:49,080 and jump straight into today's episode. My guest today is mister Paul Wallace. 23 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,280 Paul, how are you, brother? Welcome to the Trusia Podcast. My 24 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,280 friend good Atri Sika, thanks so much for having me on your show again. 25 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,800 I really enjoyed our conversation last time, and I hope I brought you 26 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,879 some brought up better weather this time. Yeah, it's been nice. So 27 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,719 we got some rain right now, but it's been nice, especially I mean 28 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:08,879 from what it was, because that was pretty insane, like it was lightning 29 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:15,759 everywhere and we were talking extreme I lost all power, so but even I 30 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,879 think I tried to I tried to record some of the stuff off the air, 31 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:24,639 and but me and you connected off air and we talked for a good 32 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,360 another twenty minutes and it's like, Man, this is it would be great 33 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:32,840 material. People need to hear this. Yeah, we just have to remember 34 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,159 what we were talking about now, Yeah, who knows, I know what 35 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,520 we were talking about. It's going to be something I have to do with 36 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:44,159 the subject matter that we're talking about today. For sure. Your new book, 37 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,520 The Scars of Eden, we're gonna be talking about that. That just 38 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:52,680 came out and it's I think it's actually number one right now on Amazon and 39 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:58,360 what is it paleontology right now? Cole. Yeah, And it's up there 40 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,039 in a couple of different categories categories. So we'll talk about that in the 41 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,360 book. What I want to know is, because I really enjoyed your last 42 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:12,560 one, Like, what's the difference because this is like the sequel to the 43 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,360 last one you did, Escaping Eden, right, and so what's the difference 44 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:24,160 in the two. Well after Escaping from Eden was published, I started to 45 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:30,240 be contacted every week and most weeks every day by people who had encountered the 46 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,720 book and were connecting with it because of a couple of reasons, And one 47 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:42,680 was people had had close encounters or anormalous experiences that had just busted them out 48 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:46,360 of their old world views, and we're now in a space of trying to 49 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,160 piece their world together and work out what was going on. But I heard 50 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:55,279 from a lot of people who had had close encounters and couldn't talk to anyone 51 00:04:55,639 --> 00:05:01,600 about them. And that's a really way of expressing it, because I heard 52 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:05,199 from a number of people who would say things like this, Paul, I 53 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:12,319 hadn't encountered when I was fifteen years old. It changed my life. I've 54 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,720 talked to my spouse about it, I've talked to the person I was with 55 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,920 at the time when it happened, and I haven't told another living breathing soul 56 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:27,600 in the fifty years since. That's the power of the fear of ridicule around 57 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,319 close encounter phenomena. And yet they still needed to process what happened to them, 58 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,120 and so they were reaching out to me for those reasons. And I 59 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:41,839 began to perceive patterns in these stories that really started me on another journey. 60 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,600 And then another group that I heard from very significantly veterans of war, and 61 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:53,560 in particular veterans of the two thousand and three invasion of Iraq and I was 62 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:59,000 hearing from people who had gone in believing that they were laying their lives on 63 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,879 the line for the reasons stated in the press. They'd gone into free the 64 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:10,120 Kords, or they'd gone save the world from weapons of mass destruction, or 65 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,079 they've gone into save the Iraq by affecting regime change. They went in, 66 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:18,000 and then they found out that their particular unit was there for a totally other 67 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:24,920 reason, and it was an archaeological reason. They were there to sequester archaeological 68 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,720 finds, take them out of a rut, and take them to I'm not 69 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:35,639 quite sure where in America for we don't know quite what analysis or experimentation. 70 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:41,680 And you can imagine how disspicating that kind of experience is. I mean, 71 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,040 first off, it is a traumatizing thing to go into a theater of war 72 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:49,759 and have to kill people and have to risk your own life, and then 73 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,879 to discover that you're risking your life for people you don't know who they are, 74 00:06:56,199 --> 00:07:00,040 who are obtaining objects you don't know what they are. They relate to 75 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:06,040 the world's oldest narratives concerning our origins as a species, our place on the 76 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,560 planet, our place in the cosmos, and so when these veterans of war 77 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:15,879 return. That's the white rabbit. They started following their questions took them to 78 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,879 the ancient Sumerian texts, the Quna formed tablets, and that brought them to 79 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,439 the Fifth Kind TV or to Escaping from Eden, and then to me in 80 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:33,240 conversation, And really it was helping those people to process what story they'd just 81 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:38,959 become a part of, and the compassion that I feel for people who were 82 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:45,920 in that situation that started the cogs turning for me and making me realize I'm 83 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:48,439 on another journey here that I'm going to have to share. But there was 84 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:54,000 another reason there had to be a the Scars of Eden, and that was 85 00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:59,160 that I was preparing for the launch of Escaping from Eden when I suddenly realized 86 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,399 I was going to have to tell my parents in law about this new book 87 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,680 that was coming out. Now, my parents in law they're lovely people. 88 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:13,240 They are devout Christians, love the Lord, They love the Lord, Baptist 89 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:18,240 and Pentecostal heritage. They're from Ghana, And I thought, how are they 90 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:24,519 going to take a book where the subtitle is does Genesis teach that the human 91 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,040 race was created by God? Engineered by ets? And by the time you 92 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,120 get to the end of the book, you realize it's engineered by ets. 93 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:35,919 I think this could to be fair, isn't it. Can you still hold 94 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:43,120 onto the narrative of both kind of both? Yes? Absolutely, absolutely, 95 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,039 that's right, true Seeker, And that's where the sequel comes in, because 96 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:50,960 I'll come back to my parents in Laura in a moment. A lot of 97 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:56,639 people contact me now because that's the wrestle they're wrestling. They have come from 98 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:03,559 a faith background, they have had experiences that have convinced them of the reality 99 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:09,799 of a transcendent reality they call God. They have had experiences of manifestation and 100 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:16,039 relationship with God. And yet now all the narratives surrounding that seems to be 101 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:20,120 in pieces, after they've realized they're in a populated universe and that some of 102 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:26,000 the stories they thought were God's stories are really ET stories, the Elohim stories 103 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:30,360 I talk about and escaping from Eden, and so people find themselves in that 104 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,240 territory and they're thinking, what pieces do I pick up? How do they 105 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:41,799 fit together? How do these two truths go together? Populated universe, ET 106 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:48,200 intervention in our evolution and some kind of a God reality. How do they 107 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,399 go together, and in the Scars of Eden, I spend quite a bit 108 00:09:52,440 --> 00:10:00,679 of time walking people through the reframing that's required the moment you've taken red pill 109 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:05,879 of populated universe. So I was preparing my parents in law for that kind 110 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,000 of moment. Had no idea how they'd take it. So they came and 111 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:16,039 stayed with us in camera for a weekend, and we had some nice food 112 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,039 and some nice wine. And when everybody was relaxed, I thought, Okay, 113 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:22,600 this is a good moment, and I said, coffee patients, let 114 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:26,320 me tell you about my latest book I've got coming out. And so I 115 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:31,960 ran through what we just shared. They listened poker faced. I had no 116 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,679 idea how they were going to take this, and you know, I am 117 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:39,039 their son in law, so I, you know, wanted it to work 118 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:45,240 out well. At the end of my little speech, my father in law 119 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,240 lean back in his chair and he said, paul A Penny has dropped, 120 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:56,519 meaning that all the anomalies that he had found in his reading of the Bible 121 00:10:56,919 --> 00:11:03,320 or Christian explanations for anomalies in the Bible, had just resolved because of realizing 122 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,679 these stories are really memories of et contact. And then my mother in law 123 00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:11,480 lent forward and she said, Paul, we already know this story. She 124 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,480 said, in Ghana, we know the Christian story, we know the modern 125 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:20,120 scientific answers, but there is also an indigenous story that tells us we are 126 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:26,759 not alone on this planet or in the cosmos, that there is another non 127 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:35,639 human presence on planet Earth involved with humanity and specifically involved in abductions and hybridization. 128 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:41,559 And I couldn't believe these words coming out of my mother in law's mouth. 129 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:43,960 And then she said, in fact, we're very closely connected with another 130 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,200 family who experienced one of these abductions. And she ran through that story and 131 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,159 my jaw dropped. I had no idea they had this awareness. I had 132 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:01,960 no idea we were so closely connected with people who had experienced and and that 133 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:07,840 sent me on a journey around the world. Because the Ghanaian tradition that talks 134 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:13,360 about these things is called the Mammi Water tradition, that's the modern name for 135 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,120 it. It's actually hundreds of years old, predating that name. And this 136 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:24,639 account of presence, abduction's hybridization is there on the east coast of Africa down 137 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:30,840 to the Southern Cone, all up the western seaboard into the Caribbean, Brazil, 138 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,960 Haiti, Cuba, as far east as the Philippines. In the Philippines, 139 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:41,440 they have vocabulary that has been developed purely to tell this abduction's narrative. 140 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:46,480 That vocabulary has its roots in India, so the story is there. You 141 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,559 then go into Europe. The whole of Europe is named after an abductee. 142 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,519 Europa was one of the daughters of a king of Phoenicia. She was abducted 143 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:07,240 by a non human entity. She was She produced children who were hybrids, 144 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,960 three of them three boys. One of them is name as Minos, and 145 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,879 he became the progenitor of the Minoan civilization. Now what I've just said is 146 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:24,120 toward us history in Greece, not fable, not fictional mythology. History. 147 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:28,639 The whole of Europe is named after the person who had that experience, and 148 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:33,399 then it repeats in the Norse countries, going to Northern Europe and Scotland, 149 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:39,519 Ireland, Wales, they all have this same story. And the details that 150 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:46,519 repeat concerning the abduction phenomena are the same, and they are curious details and 151 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,360 the pattern. If I tell you what happened to our friend in Ghana, 152 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:56,440 every detail occurs in all these cultures through the centuries. She was on the 153 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,360 beach near the water. In her case, she was on the beach of 154 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:03,240 ann Loga in the Kita district of the Volta region of Ghana. She was 155 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:09,360 taken. She was taken for three years and used to produce hybrid children. 156 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:13,759 They were in an underwater base. That meant she had no way of contacting 157 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:18,720 her relatives, and the people who held her looked almost human, but they 158 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:24,039 weren't human. And every single one of those details repeats. You go to 159 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,240 Wales, listen to the story of Tilworth Tech, it's the same details. 160 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,960 You go to Scotland and you listen to the indigenous stories there collated in abber 161 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:41,399 Foyle by Robert Kirk in the sixteen hundreds, same story. It's such an 162 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,360 unlikely story and it certainly doesn't parallel any human patterns. It's not a mytholozation 163 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:52,080 of the slave trade or conventional slave trafficking. It's a different pattern altogether. 164 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:58,159 And this was another international journey I made that when I started seeing the correlations, 165 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,240 had to start concluding this is a this is real knowledge, this is 166 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,039 a real memory that's being shared here. And when I wrote The Scars of 167 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,080 Eden. It wasn't because I had an ambition to write a book about eaty 168 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:18,000 abductions. Certainly not because frankly, I want to be taken seriously. And 169 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,519 I know people really struggle with the language of abductions. You know, people 170 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:26,200 just about cope with the language of populated universe. But as soon as you're 171 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,159 saying I was abducted, you know, by aliens, I had an alien 172 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:35,120 baby, you're regarded as being at the fruit loop end of the spectrum, 173 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,879 and people recoil as if they'd never heard the like, whereas in fact, 174 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:46,240 the like has been told us for thousands of years by our ancestors in every 175 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,480 culture, on every land mass on the planet. And I realized, if 176 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:56,279 I was going to listen with respect to ancestral narratives, I was going to 177 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,639 have to talk about the abduction phenomena, what it is, what it means. 178 00:16:02,039 --> 00:16:07,279 So that's another significant thread in the skies. Well, we're jumping right 179 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,639 in, we're getting deep off the bat. Let me ask you this, 180 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:18,000 doesn't that seem a bit primitive for advanced et civilizations to actually need to what 181 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:26,000 some would consider kidnap a human and you know, use their embryos and they 182 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,360 have to carry these childs for children for nine months, versus building some type 183 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:37,399 of facility or some type of technology or like a incubator or something like that 184 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,879 where they actually have to go and get a human woman to carry the children. 185 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:45,919 That seems a bit primitive when it comes to you, know, these 186 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:52,919 advanced et races, wouldn't you say, yeah, I totally understand that reaction, 187 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:57,120 But doesn't it seem is what we have to say, after we've listened 188 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:02,000 to what our ancestors said, we have to hear the story, process the 189 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,759 story, and then think what sense does that make. I'm not sure how 190 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:11,160 primitive it is, to be fair, because it's taken us as a civilization 191 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,960 quite a while to learn out how to find out how to do genetic modification 192 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:22,359 of human beings. We can do it now, and I would suggest we 193 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:29,640 probably have better spacefaring tech than the public know about, so put those things 194 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,720 together, we could be in the same boat as some of our visitors. 195 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,519 I'd also suggest that just because people have better tech for getting themselves through space 196 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:45,720 doesn't mean they're cleverer in every other respect. If there are abductions happening, 197 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:51,079 it's because there are things about us that they like and that they want in 198 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,640 their gene pool, and we don't know necessarily what those things are. But 199 00:17:55,839 --> 00:18:02,440 if you accept populated universe, if you accept the idea of panspermia, which 200 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,839 means ultimately we're all related, if we go far enough back, we're all 201 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:14,359 from that same genetic coding for biological conscious life that's been seeded through the cosmos, 202 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:19,799 then it is quite possible that at the same time as being related, 203 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:26,720 there's something unique about the fusion that is homosapians, the animal strength, the 204 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:32,279 mammal emotion, the higher consciousness may have created a somewhat unique blend. Now 205 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:38,319 that's what the Bible story of hybridization says in Genesis six. If people are 206 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,400 Bible readers, this is probably the first abduction story they'll know. With the 207 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:48,759 bene Elihim, which I argue is the second wave of ets reported in the 208 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:56,119 Bible turn up to abduct specifically human females, And in the Genesis six telling, 209 00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,319 it says they looked on the human females and said, wow, let's 210 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:07,079 have some of that in our genetic pool, and they find humans attractive. 211 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:12,960 Maybe we have a robust physicality that some of our eteen neighbors don't have. 212 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:18,640 Maybe we have an emotionality that some of our neighbors don't have, and they 213 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,799 consider that we have more interesting, more colorful lives because of our emotionality. 214 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,799 It may be that we're being visited by species who are on the decline because 215 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:36,960 their population is too small. They may simply need to enrich their gene pool 216 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,519 with something else. Now, you said, isn't it a bit primitive to 217 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,799 have to require a human being to carry a baby for nine months? But 218 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:51,319 a lot of the aduction stories actually don't include that the human mother will be 219 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:56,359 used as a what's the word, I've forgotten the word. This is a 220 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,440 middle aged moment where they will actually carry the baby only part term, and 221 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:07,319 then the feeders will be taken and developed elsewhere in the lab et cetera. 222 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:14,599 But there is something very very important about being in utero for that part of 223 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:21,400 the pregnancy that our visitors seem to understand. There was something else I was 224 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,880 going to say about that response of isn't this a bit primitive? Yes, 225 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:32,440 people say that when they read some of the say the stories in the Vaders 226 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:36,440 about ancient space faring craft, or they read some of the accounts in the 227 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:42,279 Bible that describe vehicles arriving with smoke and fire and shaking the ground when they 228 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,000 land, And people say, isn't that a bit primitive, you know, 229 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,680 for ets or able to travel through the cosmos? Well, I think so. 230 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:56,000 I think it's primitive of us to be using that kind of propulsion system. 231 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:02,559 Seventy years after we started using it to get people into space and ultimately 232 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,359 to the moon, we're still using it. And maybe getting off the planet 233 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:10,880 is the hardest part, and you actually do use primitive means for that, 234 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:15,720 and then you wormhole it to the next place, or you conscious your way 235 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:22,880 to the next place. These are really valid and interesting questions, but they're 236 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:29,039 responding to an intact story that has survived for thousands of years, that has 237 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:34,400 been told with details that correlate from culture to culture, from millennium to millennium. 238 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,160 And it's part of our processing of what do we do with this report? 239 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:45,359 What do we do with this information? And there are plenty of things 240 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:52,759 that our visitors do that would see to be primitive, like war. So 241 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:57,160 many of the ancient stories talk about et demographics warring against each other. Well, 242 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,759 that's pretty primitive. Isn't it. And a few of them talk about 243 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:06,880 them arriving here and needing a human workforce. Well, isn't that primitive having 244 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:12,720 a slave species? These Sumerian stories and the Biblical stories translated in the way 245 00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:18,200 I think they should be, imply that our ancestors were here mining working in 246 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,279 minds. Visitors and people say, isn't it primitive to use human beings as 247 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,599 miners? Well, yes it is, But then look at what we do 248 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:32,640 when we invade each other's countries. We invade them because we've got higher tech, 249 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,200 and then we still enslaved the locals to bring all the natural resources to 250 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,960 us so we can take them home. Why would we not expect to see 251 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:48,759 something similar interplanetary level? And our ancestors say, that's exactly what did happen. 252 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,160 Just going back to what you mentioned at the beginning of us invading Iraq, 253 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,000 Afghanistan and all of that stuff, there was a documentary I have to 254 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:03,160 give credit from where I've seen it from, but it was from the Secret 255 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:08,200 Space documentary by I forgot the name of the guy who put it out. 256 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:15,559 But there's actual footage. It's heartbreaking footage of us going into their holy places 257 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,240 and destroying a lot of stuff, tanks running over these ancient monuments and destroying 258 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:26,799 these images and taking a lot of it. And those places are very ancient, 259 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,240 and you know, go back to our genesis from Iraq, Afghanistan, 260 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:37,400 those places being ancient Babylon and these places that are mentioned of in the scriptures, 261 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,480 and we're invading them and taking all of the holy relics and destroying their 262 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:45,920 history and all of those things. I guess going back, you know, 263 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,160 with seeing that, I've seen that for myself, Like, what do you 264 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,200 think the reason is? Is it so that they can erase any trace of 265 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,759 a history, so that they can retell it, and which is you know, 266 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,599 history is his story. Whoever is prevailing at the time gets to kind 267 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:06,480 of rewrite the history books and tell you where we came from and who our 268 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:11,200 God is and all of this kind of stuff. True, I think you've 269 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:14,000 hit the nail on the head. I think that's exactly what it is. 270 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,640 And in the Scars of Eden, I identify many moments through history where that's 271 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:25,480 exactly what's happened. Where we invade, we take over the truth and erase 272 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,839 all previous knowledge of who we are and where we came from So that includes 273 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:38,119 you know, burning books, that includes executing priesthoods. It includes in Australia 274 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:48,640 last year blowing up Aboriginal Australian sites with hard copy of their knowledge of our 275 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:55,480 ancestry and our history. And it includes driving tanks over sacred sites in Iraq. 276 00:24:55,759 --> 00:25:00,440 It's all part of the same destruction of memory. That destruction of memory 277 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:07,359 is part of the story of the Hebrew Scriptures, where there is a huge 278 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,920 forgetting that's actually commanded in the Ten Commandments that Moses gave. It begins by 279 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:21,559 saying, you must serve no powerful ones other than this one. That one 280 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,160 is taken the name Yahweh. You mustn't down to them, and you mustn't 281 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,440 even depict them as far as to say no, that's right. And so 282 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,880 you've got through the stories of the Hebrew canon the destruction of ancient sites even 283 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,480 then. And so that story begins then or continues then, and has rolled 284 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:48,839 on ever since. It means the destruction of ancient sites, it means the 285 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:56,039 suppression of ancient narratives. And I talk about executing priesthoods. There was a 286 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,720 lot of that in the fifteen hundreds, as the New World was being conquered 287 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:06,400 by the Catholic forces of Portugal and Spain and other forces besides of course. 288 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,720 But you know, when I was growing up in the UK, that pattern 289 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:15,039 was still continuing. We had a scientific research facility I used to cycle passed 290 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,759 every morning on my way to school, and they were working on technology for 291 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:26,400 Ronald Reagan's Star Wars initiative, and there was a lot of intrigue around what 292 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:32,240 that was all about, because the way Ronald Reagan had phrased the announcement of 293 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:37,119 it, and the huge sums of money being diverted into it raised the question 294 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:42,519 of whether these were space bound weapons to police war on Earth or if we 295 00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:48,880 were talking about an extraterrestrial threat. While all those questions were in the air, 296 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:55,039 and while the technology was being worked on, twenty five research scientists working 297 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:04,440 on it committed suicide one after the other. And it was so glaringly not 298 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,920 the case that these were suicides. I mean, the coroners refused to sign 299 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,440 them down as suicides. It was open verdicts. They kept returning. And 300 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,680 then I think it was Clive Jenkins, the Union leader in Britain at that 301 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:26,079 time for research scientists among others, actually came forward went to the press, 302 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:33,359 spoke to the television cameras and said, this is statistically impossible. These suicide 303 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:40,279 slash murders must be looked into. We need a government inquiry, and the 304 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:45,480 Government of the day under Margaret Patcher said no inquiry is needed. The Minister 305 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,680 has already given an answer. These were suicide. It's an unfortunate chain of 306 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:56,039 coincidences. Now, when you have an unfortunate chain of coincidences that glaring, 307 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:02,680 you realize it really is a threat to anybody else not to divulge what they 308 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,240 know. So it's not just the destruction of ancient knowledge, it's the destruction 309 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,960 of current knowledge. We're now, though, in a rather interesting phase where 310 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:17,039 we've come out of that period of history and into a period that I would 311 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,359 regard as soft disclosure, where people are allowed to talk about things that are 312 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:29,400 going on technology that's been retrieved without death threats such as we're faced by the 313 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,559 people of Roswell, without finding that they'd committed suicide, such as happened in 314 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,400 the UK at that time. They're allowed to speak and we're hearing from people 315 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:45,160 from very authoritative positions now making these kinds of acknowledgments, and that's a big 316 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,480 shift that I've seen in my lifetime while my attention has been on the topic. 317 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:57,720 Wow, going back to the abduction phenomena and contact these right, you 318 00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:00,359 know, we talked about this on the last episode. It's just like, 319 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:06,039 you know, even the term abduction, you don't really hear that term being 320 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,920 used a lot. You got to go back in history to see somebody who 321 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,640 comes forward and say I have been abducted. Now we're here in contact these, 322 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:18,240 I am a contact ee, they contacted me or experiencers. I've experienced 323 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:22,400 the craft and it's something pleasant, something beautiful to them change their life. 324 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,400 Mostly these days, I feel like it's in a good way versus mid nineties 325 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:32,440 and before you heard abductions and scary scenarios and a lot of this hybridization that 326 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:37,240 we were fearful and uh you know, you know, full of terror for 327 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:42,440 this stuff to happen, and people feel a connection of something divine, something 328 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,160 larger than themselves with this. Have you found and this is this is you 329 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,599 know, just a deep subject, but have you found these beings to be 330 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:59,079 relational mechanical because people feel like they're connected to God, connected the source, 331 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,839 relate the et phenomena back to the angelic even have you found the means to 332 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:14,240 be relational that this contact carries on even after the initial experience. Oh yes, 333 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:22,279 I have come to believe there's a great spectrum of experiences happening, and 334 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:30,160 certainly there are people who would report very dark and traumatizing experiences. My friend 335 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,799 and colleague G. L. Davies has produced a book called Harvest, which 336 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,200 has looked at an experience so right at the darkest end of the spectrum, 337 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:44,799 where not only does it look like a hybridization story, but it looks like 338 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:52,079 this poor person is being toyed with in order for her terror to be studied 339 00:30:52,400 --> 00:31:00,039 or enjoyed. It's a horrible story, fascinating, very far reaching. And 340 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,839 then at the other end of the spectrum, if you go to Kenya and 341 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,000 if you can find people who've had these abduction experiences there, the tradition there 342 00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:15,720 is called the Maharani story. Well, those people will often come back after 343 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,240 they're three years away and they say I was being held by the Maharani and 344 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:26,559 they're quite nice. You know, it was other than the fact I couldn't 345 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,000 return for three years, I quite enjoyed being with them. I regard them 346 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,359 as my friends. Now when people come back and share that kind of story 347 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:40,559 in Kenya, that's not very well received. And such a person, if 348 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,440 they dare speak that way, is either going to be taken to the doctor 349 00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:48,359 for some psycho effective medication or they'll be taken to the past to have a 350 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,720 demon driven out of them, because people don't like they don't like the nice 351 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,720 end of the spectrum. And yet in the Scars of Eden, I talk 352 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:02,839 about a conversation I've had with Barbara Lamb, who has more than two thousand 353 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,519 case studies people she has personally examined with regard to their experiences of abduction, 354 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,279 and many of them, once they've come to terms with what's happening to them, 355 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:20,640 would say, well, no, they didn't hurt me. Actually they 356 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,839 were quite friendly. And as they retrieve memory, they realize, just as 357 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,480 you were saying, truth Seeker, they have had visits from the age of 358 00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:34,000 five all the way through their lives and there is a relationship. There's a 359 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:42,160 lady in Australia called Jane Pooley who is very credible, intelligent lady. She's 360 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,960 had a career in nursing, she has three regular children, and then she 361 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:54,839 claims that she has produced two hybrid children as a consequence of being an experiencer, 362 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,000 a contactee, an abductee since the age of five. And she would 363 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:07,599 say that being she's in touch with do have a warmth to them. They 364 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,559 don't have the same emotionality as us. It's not as developed as ours, 365 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,839 but you can have a relationship and a familiarity and a feeling of safety with 366 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:21,200 each other. That would be her report, and I think you're right. 367 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,599 We do hear more of that now. And I don't know if it's because 368 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,680 our culture has shifted and there's more opportunity for people to share stories like that 369 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:37,039 without being damned or ridiculed, although I think in the mainstream people who have 370 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:44,400 these experiences do guard them pretty tightly, and in the research I've done for 371 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,400 the Scars of Eden, I believe these experiences are far more widespread than we 372 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:57,960 would ever imagine, and that's because of the secrecy with which most of these 373 00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:02,759 stories are carried. A question for you as well, when you talk about 374 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:07,280 a lot of these people disappearing for three years, you hear stories about people 375 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,519 who have been gone for twenty years but they come back and it's only been 376 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:16,199 three seconds. Is some of this what we're talking about, or are some 377 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:22,320 of these people on record for being missing for three years or did three seconds 378 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,519 feel like three years? Well, the case is that I have looked at 379 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,840 and that I reflect on in the Scars of Eden the second kind, where 380 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:36,960 the person was in our timeline gone for three years and in their timeline gone 381 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:44,239 for three years. So it's really that very four dimensional world story that I'm 382 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,599 talking about that fits within our paradigms, other than the fact that there's this 383 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:57,679 other presence involved. Yeah, So I mean, what do you think about 384 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,199 those stories though? Do they is the is that in the worldview of something 385 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,159 that could happen, because we're we're talking about some pretty interesting stuff. Is 386 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:09,960 that something that could happen? Or is it pretty fictitious? Because you've got 387 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,719 a lot of Charlatans that have kind of written books and have studied other works 388 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,480 and interjected and made up stories, I feel like that, are you know, 389 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:24,639 sensationalizing this phenomena? Yeah, well, you know, of course you 390 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:32,000 have to begin by saying anything's possible, But it is difficult to respond to 391 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:38,320 stories where there's no way of corroborating a story. If I can put it 392 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:45,400 that way, someone reports an experience, if there's no way of verifying it, 393 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:50,639 then it just has to remain a story that we think about and wonder 394 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,639 about. And I'm not being flippant when I say anything as possible, because 395 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:02,159 consciousness is a very interesting thing that many people who report close encounters will say 396 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:08,679 I was aware my consciousness was being interfered with my perception of time, or 397 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,719 my lack of fear, or my sedation was an interference in my mind or 398 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,679 my consciousness. Although say I was taken to such and such a place, 399 00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:23,400 I think they took me physically, but it may have been something they did 400 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,440 through manipulating my consciousness. Well, as soon as you're in that territory, 401 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:35,360 then three years slash three minutes might suddenly have some kind of a framework. 402 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:42,119 And another thing when we're talking about consciousness, if you can accept the possibility 403 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:49,239 that we are primarily conscious beings and that our consciousness precedes our material life and 404 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,679 follows it. As soon as your consciousness is absent from your material body, 405 00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,719 time doesn't mean the same thing at all. Think about the speed at which 406 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,920 you dream. You know, the amount of story you can get into a 407 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,960 dream in a split second to incorporate the dog licking your face. You know, 408 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:15,000 you might have half a day's story in your dream that culminates in the 409 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:20,000 dog licking your face. That's a little clue that our consciousness can really operate 410 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:24,880 very very fast. People who have near death experiences or out of body experiences 411 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,320 often say, in that state, there is no time. And so maybe 412 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,760 if we're listening to stories of I was gone for three years it turned out 413 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,280 to be three minutes, maybe we're listening to a story of consciousness. But 414 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,880 when others come back and say I was used as a soldier in such and 415 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,360 such a place for twenty years and I came back and I was still sixteen, 416 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,360 Well that's an interesting story, but I have no way of verifying it. 417 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,159 I'm happy to listen with respect, but I just don't really know what 418 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,039 to do with that story. Yeah, there's a lot of that, you 419 00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:10,119 know, and I've I've tried to focus on repeatability. Yeah, come back, 420 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,800 come back, come come, give us a sign, those kind of 421 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,199 things, and I've had some luck. You know, it's not one hundred 422 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:20,239 percent, it's very low, but there's there's you know, if you gaze 423 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,679 at the sky long enough, you'll see some really interesting things. And I 424 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,920 think people who have had abduction scenarios that if you begin to stargauge, you 425 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,840 begin to see some very interesting movement in the sky is above your house, 426 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,000 in the area that you live. I'll say that the skies are active. 427 00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,159 I'll say that a couple of different places. I want to go. I 428 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,920 want to go and kind of question some of this stuff a little bit for 429 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,960 you and just see what you'd say. I don't know exactly what we've recovered 430 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,119 on the last episode. This is just stuff that that I like talking about, 431 00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,039 but I want to kind of set it up a little bit from your 432 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:57,000 perspective of a biblical worldview for the person who is a believer, you know, 433 00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,440 which is me. You know what I'm saying, and I've I've come 434 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,960 to rationalize it and see how this fits into my faith plays a very big 435 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:10,840 part of my faith. Doesn't go against the Bible, actually makes it quite 436 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,960 literal, makes it versus something that is fantasy and allegory, which there's definitely 437 00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:22,000 those aspects that we love of the scriptures, but something quite literal that happen 438 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,760 of these creators and these gods who are watching over us. From Genesis to 439 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,679 revelation and are still here now. For the believer, for the person that's 440 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:37,320 brand new to this, how does this fit in to a biblical worldview of 441 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:45,079 our creators, the angelic Elohem and all of that being literal beings that came 442 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:51,800 here and did I would say, God's work in seeding us on the planet 443 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,400 and things like that. How would this tie into a biblical worldview for somebody 444 00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,880 who's brand new to this whole elohem phenomena. Yeah, in a word, 445 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:07,519 translation, I mean translation of the languages of the original texts. And if 446 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:13,599 I were to go to the beginning of Christian history and listen to church fathers 447 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:22,320 like Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr Origin and Marcian, they were 448 00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:35,800 people who believed Plato's explanation of beginnings. Plato believed in God, and when 449 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,880 he talked about the nature of God, his story was in the beginning was 450 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:47,360 consciousness, and then that consciousness expressed itself in the material universe. The material 451 00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:55,159 universe is there in order for consciousness to be hosted that experiences itself, and 452 00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:01,639 the theory of panspermia is a nuts and bolts a version of that view. 453 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,480 The idea that the genetic coding for biological conscious life seeded through the cosmos. 454 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,039 That's just a mechanical way of saying what Plato said. Now, these church 455 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:17,079 fathers held that view. Plato also believed that life was evolving happily on planet 456 00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:23,119 Earth, including our ancestors, and then some other beings from somewhere else landed 457 00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:30,079 on planet Earth and genetically modified our ancestors and adapted us the greater consciousness and 458 00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:37,119 intelligence. These church fathers believed all that, and that would shock some people 459 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,719 because it sounds very different to the traditional Christian view of where we all came 460 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,320 from. How could church fathers believe that and believe the Bible at the same 461 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:52,559 time. The answer translation. When you go back to the stories of beginnings 462 00:41:52,599 --> 00:42:00,920 in the Bible and drill down into some translation anomalies, make some translation switches. 463 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,360 The story Plato tells is in the Bible, and it is the story 464 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,880 that is derived from the Sumerians, and it is the story that repeats in 465 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:16,239 ancestral narratives around the world. And the translation switches are around some really keywords. 466 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:22,960 Elohim is a keyword, Rua is a keyword, Cavod is a keyword. 467 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:30,079 Tub is a keyword. Thank you for that one. Tohu Abohu is 468 00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:34,599 another. I'll go to Elohim, which was the entry point for me. 469 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,280 Elohim is the word, the earliest word in the Bible that gets translated as 470 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,800 God. But if you take it to its root meanings, it means the 471 00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:51,519 powerful ones. And as soon as you see that, you realize why Elohim 472 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:59,639 takes plural verbs and exhibits plural behaviors and plural agendas. So the powerful ones 473 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:04,760 say, let us make humans to look like one of us. The powerful 474 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,000 ones say, we don't want the humans to be too much like one of 475 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:14,079 us. The powerful ones conflict over how intelligent the human beings should be. 476 00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:19,480 The powerful ones conflict in Genesis eleven over how much technology humans should have. 477 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:24,199 And you realize that the powerful ones the el hymn. That's the Hebrew word 478 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,079 for anunaki, it's the Hebrew word for the sky people. It's the Hebrew 479 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:34,920 word for those who engineer, and the means of American stories. So that's 480 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,119 a bit of a red pill. As soon as you make that translation switch, 481 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:43,639 take it to the root meaning, reread the stories. The et aspect 482 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,079 of what the Bible is telling us becomes as clear as day, and so 483 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,199 I tell people I'm in no way out to debunk the Bible. I want 484 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:58,360 to understand it. I want to understand the texts that have been so carefully 485 00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:05,000 curated for thousands of years and understand what the words actually mean. My first 486 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:13,599 love was languages and linguistics, and I studied German, French, Latin, 487 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,960 Italian, Portuguese, Greek, maybe a couple of others I can't quite remember 488 00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,360 now, And so when I came to my theology, I brought all that 489 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:28,119 sort of sensitivity with me. So whenever I go to a text, my 490 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,559 first question is what do the words mean if I want to understand the text. 491 00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:37,000 So Elohim is absolutely vital, bene Elohim, I say, that's the 492 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:43,679 second wave of ets, because bene Elihim means ones like the powerful ones who 493 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,199 turn up and they're in con a conflict with the original powerful ones. On 494 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,400 and on it goes, and then you've got moments in the Bible where there 495 00:44:52,559 --> 00:45:01,039 is technology being described. The Ruach that arrives and over the floodwaters of the 496 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:09,800 devastated planet, that's Tohuabohu. The Rua is a craft it gets translated as 497 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,440 the spirit at that point, but you go to the route meaning a ruah 498 00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:21,800 is a thing that creates a strong wind, and the ruaj arrives and starts 499 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:27,280 terraforming. Well, the Philippines have exactly the same story. They say the 500 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,000 thing that came and hovered over the waters was like a hawk, and they 501 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:36,679 call it Tagalog and with its wings they say it created these vortices of wind 502 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:43,079 to clear the land. The Sumerians begin with the sky people coming down from 503 00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:51,920 the skies and then four winds clearing the lands. And the correlations again absolutely, 504 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:57,840 And the the Edo people and the Yoruba people of Nigeria tell the same 505 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,760 story, coming down from the guy and then clearing the land. So the 506 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:07,239 correlations are fascinating and they make sense when you do the translation and you realize 507 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,960 rua is a craft. Go to the book of Ezekiel and it tells you 508 00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:15,519 what the ruah look like, sounded like, how it moved, so on 509 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:21,400 and so forth. So it's really a matter of revealing what's in the texts 510 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:28,920 and understanding that in the Hebrew canon, you've got a whole library of literature, 511 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:35,480 you have got devotional literature, You've got literature about God the cosmic source, 512 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,360 and the prophets who have that vision use the name Yahweh, but that 513 00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:46,000 name has actually been pasted over these earlier stories that are not about the cosmic 514 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:52,079 source. They are about the ets who came colonized our planet and governed over 515 00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:55,880 our ancestors. And do a little bit of translation and you realize it is 516 00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,639 all in the mix. So it's not an either or, it's not God 517 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,480 or aliens. It is the whole story, the wholeship bang. They are 518 00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:10,320 all part of the picture. So with that being said, you're naming all 519 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,800 of these different tribes, all of these different religious backgrounds and beliefs and civilizations 520 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:23,159 that believed the exact same thing. Their creation story is similar with christiandom and 521 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:30,880 with the Bible. We've claimed exclusivity as all of these other regions and religions. 522 00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:36,360 There comes a point and if we're just studying the creation story, that 523 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,079 we have to give up exclusivity because we find it being echoed. There's names 524 00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:44,840 that are borrowed from other nations that are in the Bible. There's stories that 525 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:50,320 are borrowed and just the names are you know, change to protect the protect 526 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,920 certain people see stories that are told over and over, but there's just little 527 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,679 details that change. And so even with that being said, you've got to 528 00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,440 give up some of this exclusion civity and be able to say, you know 529 00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:05,920 what, I see the similarities. It doesn't stop there. It doesn't stop 530 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,840 with creation. It doesn't stop with the gods or with the Elo, or 531 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,199 with the Aliens, or with the Ennaki or whatever, or you know, 532 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:20,239 the star gods. It goes into the Christ's story and the thirteen risen saviors, 533 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,000 if you will, and and and things begun begin to be a little 534 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:29,960 bit more inclusive versus exclusive, as we've been told that this is ours and 535 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,960 we need to convert you to this. We find the Biblical narrative to be 536 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:42,880 a very inclusive, a very universal tradition and uh practice and and mirrors and 537 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:50,719 mimics practices from all over the world. When did you make that that that 538 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,719 voyage to to open up and to be able to see God in more than 539 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,800 just what you were You were taught of the Christianity, the Catholic Church and 540 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,360 all this, and to be able to look at the Egyptian text and see 541 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,760 the beauty in it, to look at the Doo and see the beauty to 542 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,480 look at Ethiopian eunichs, you know, in just every single one and see 543 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:20,199 the lines that definitely cross and intersect definitely. Well, when did I really 544 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:27,400 gradually through many many years and through studying texts, but also through experience. 545 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,840 So I'll come back to the exclusively exclusivity question is really important, It's very 546 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,360 profound. I'll come back to the Jesus story at the moment. But if 547 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,840 I say that when I was first a Christian, I became a Christian when 548 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,480 I was seventeen, having previously been an atheist, and when I came to 549 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,679 faith, it was a time of renewal in the church. Is meaning that 550 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:57,159 a lot of people were having very powerful spiritual, transcendent experiences and then we 551 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,079 had to get our head around what this meant. And some of these experiences 552 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:07,000 were very powerful spontaneous healings. So in my church, there was a lady 553 00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:14,079 who began seeing through an eye that had no optic nerve, and she'd been 554 00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,000 blind for years because of no optic nerve. Well, that is what you 555 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:22,880 call a miracle. And we were seeing things like that happening. We wanted 556 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,880 to get into that, and so we were learning about healing modalities within the 557 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:37,199 Christian tradition, and those modalities would include placing hands over an injured area with 558 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:43,559 the intention of bringing physical healing. Sometimes you would speak to an injury or 559 00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:47,480 to a body part as if it was an intelligent entity and start telling it 560 00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:52,119 what to do. Those kinds of modalities things we see Jesus doing in the 561 00:50:52,199 --> 00:51:01,639 Gospels, and I saw amazing healings happen through those modalities. Well, as 562 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:07,360 I grew up, left home, went to bath the university, started exploring 563 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:13,280 the world. I started discovering other people were doing this who were not Christians, 564 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,320 people with no religious faith or spirituality, were doing exactly the same thing 565 00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:24,960 with the results well often getting the same results. And that was the confronting 566 00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:30,519 thing. So it wasn't just that they were copying us, No, they 567 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:32,920 were getting the same result. And I had to begin doing business with the 568 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,639 idea that God was much much bigger than this little box I'd been living in. 569 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,039 So things like that clued me all. From time to time, I'd 570 00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:49,000 meet people who we would do what we called prophetic ministry in our church. 571 00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:54,760 That were often people were able to download information about you, and you'd think, 572 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,400 how on earth did they just do that, and I thought, well, 573 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,159 that's the Spirit of God's speaking to his people, the Christians to help 574 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,159 other Christians. And then as I started getting out into the world, I 575 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,679 realized, no, this is happening to other people. Other people are having 576 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:16,480 this experience. People who might call themselves psychics are doing exactly the same thing. 577 00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:23,199 Chiropractice doing exactly the thing following the intuition. It's exactly the same as 578 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,119 listening to the spirit. And so I had to begin processing all that. 579 00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:34,000 Now come back to the Jesus text, which is more recent at work for 580 00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:38,880 me. And it comes down again to translation, because I have realized so 581 00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:44,199 much of what we read in our ancient texts and not is this isn't just 582 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,159 Christians doing it with the Bible or Jews doing it with the Bible. People 583 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:53,719 do it in Buddhist texts, Indu texts. We read it through a lens. 584 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,280 This is a religious text, we say to ourselves, and so we 585 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,960 hear it in a certain way. Well, the Gospel of Matthew gives us 586 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,920 a little summary of the first teaching that Jesus toured with. And again, 587 00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:14,880 if you use the root meanings of the words instead of read the translation with 588 00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:19,599 all the cultural layers that go on that language that we read into the text, 589 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:24,000 go to the root meanings. Jesus's first sermon that he toured with said 590 00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:34,000 this, the amazing power of the Source is available to everyone. That was 591 00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:37,159 his sermon. That's what he told people, And then he went around showing 592 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:45,000 what that looked like in terms of healing, entity removal, emotional freedom, 593 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:51,119 living without fear. He was demonstrating what it means that the amazing power of 594 00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:55,000 the Source is available to everyone. You get into the Book of Acts in 595 00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:59,559 the New Testament, and it's the same story. The Book of Acts begins 596 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:06,559 with people having this powerful transcendent experience, and the apostle Peter quotes one of 597 00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:12,159 those prophets from the Hebrew Scriptures saying, the Spirit of God has been poured 598 00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,880 out on all flesh. Yes, Joel, Joel, he's quoting. That's 599 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,880 right, not all Christians, not all religious people, on all flesh. 600 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:28,159 And then the apostles start touring the part of the world they were in and 601 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,559 they start discovering it's true. They keep meeting people who are already in contact 602 00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:37,280 with the Source, who are already in contact with God, and they're seeing 603 00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:40,880 manifestations of that, and so they're catching up with this a great outpouring as 604 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:46,440 they see it. And then the apostle Paul, I'm going back and listening 605 00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:52,639 to him afresh because I realized Plato's description of God is very closely echoed by 606 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:58,000 Paul. Because Paul goes to Athens one day and he asked to clarify what 607 00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:01,920 he means by God. Suddenly, speaking to an audience that has no Jewish 608 00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:07,079 language or Jewish heritage, is going to have to explain from scratch what he 609 00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:12,000 means. So he says in his little sermon, by God, I mean 610 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:17,360 the source of the cosmos and everything in it, that in which we all 611 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:23,480 live and move and have our being. Yeah. I love that definition because 612 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,760 that's a definition I think a lot of people can do business with. It's 613 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,840 not a religion. You know what he was quoting there, right, Yes, 614 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:37,760 one of your poets, he said, the Hymn of Zeus. Of 615 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,719 Zeus. He was using their own text to show them the beauty of the 616 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,400 Creator in all things. Yes he was. And I love that because what 617 00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:52,400 respect he was giving to the knowledge and wisdom outside of Judaism, outside of 618 00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:58,480 Christianity, saying your poet has already got here. He doesn't quote Plato, 619 00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,400 he quotes somebody else. You already know this, and I think that is 620 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:07,679 so powerful. The moment you believe what Paul says that by God we mean 621 00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:13,000 the source of the cosmos and everything in it, that in which we all 622 00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:17,920 live and move and have our being, suddenly you've demolished the whole notion of 623 00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:24,880 separation and fear that so much religion is built on. And when the Empire 624 00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:34,400 hijacked Christianity, it used that idea of separation and fear to refeudalize society with 625 00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:39,159 a religious gloss over it. So now it would be considered that to be 626 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:45,039 a good Christian you have to be subject subject to the priests, subject to 627 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:49,320 the bishop, subject to the emperor. And you're in a feudalized, monolithic 628 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,320 society and know you're not allowed to think for yourself, and don't read anything 629 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,039 written by someone who's thought for themselves either, And that was the world we 630 00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:00,719 got locked into as all orthodoxy got militarized. But go back to the roots, 631 00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:07,079 and here's this far more cosmic, empowering vision that we are all connected 632 00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:10,920 with Source, and that that can manifest in the most amazing and wonderful ways. 633 00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:16,360 So for me personally, that reframing gives me a more confident, richer 634 00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:22,320 sense of connection with God than I think I've ever had. Yep, and 635 00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:28,480 you know, it's it's something that's happening globally. There's an awakening happening. 636 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,519 And what would you speak to that. I mean, I would say my 637 00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:36,960 story, I would say your story, very similar one. But that's starting 638 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,119 to happen across the globe. I feel like a lot of us were like 639 00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:42,800 forerunners to a lot of this. It was kind of early on we found 640 00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:46,039 some of this work in some of these things that piqued our interests. But 641 00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:52,480 now it's global. It's something that that there is an awakening happening in the 642 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:57,280 hearts and the minds of people who have been bewitched, who have been under 643 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,679 the spell of the clergy and those things. But now there's a freedom. 644 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:04,760 And as we're opening honest with these stories, they're seeing that hold on. 645 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,119 There is some steady stable ground under this for me to explore, to really 646 00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:14,599 talk about and explore the subjects that I feel like the creator God has drawn 647 00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,199 me to, whether it be UFOs and aliens, whether it be studying the 648 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:23,679 science of miracles, which have been beautifully explained by Joda Spenza and these kind 649 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,360 of guys who who you know, would draw a red flag in the eyes 650 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,760 of religion, but people were finding it being more inclusive. But do you 651 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,239 think that people have to give up their religion though their faith in Christ? 652 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,519 Then have you had to give up your faith in Christ and the beauty of 653 00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:44,800 the Cross and those things and the old rugged cross, if you will, 654 00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:49,039 have you had to take more of a different nuance of what that means for 655 00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:54,039 you? And what about others coming along after you? Different nuance? Certainly, 656 00:58:54,920 --> 00:59:01,360 I still regard myself as a Christian because I love Jesus's teachings and I 657 00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:06,800 seek to live my life according to them. But yes, there's been some 658 00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:12,480 reframing, and it has to do with the claim to exclusivity. I think 659 00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:21,920 the moment you begin to unravel the hijacking of Christianity that happened, and you 660 00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:27,679 begin to see some of the doctrines that were pushed forward by the Church in 661 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,960 order to manipulate people, you start unraveling that, and quite frankly, again 662 00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:37,199 translation you only have to do translation to do that. Translate the word Gehennah 663 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:43,360 if anyone wants a white rabbit to follow the Church has translated it as hell 664 00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:47,039 with all the horrible doctrines that go with that. Gehinnah doesn't mean that Jesus 665 00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:52,760 came and he warned people against behaviors that would ruin their lives. Now, 666 00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:59,079 once you have processed that, I would put it strongly, the gospel changes. 667 00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,960 You're looking at a different gospel the moment you've done that translation work. 668 01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:07,840 Jesus came to help, and he came to help anyone who would listen to 669 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:13,000 him. His own story is part of a wider story. Christians tell the 670 01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:20,400 story of the virgin birth as a reason to regard Jesus as unique. Where 671 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:27,199 you start researching world mythology ancestral narratives, and you'll realize that an anomalous pregnancy 672 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:34,719 resulting in an anomalously clever and sensitive and wise person is a recurring story. 673 01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:40,079 The story of Jesus's birth and his mother's pregnancy is a repeat of what happened 674 01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:45,880 to his aunt and his cousin Elizabeth, and his cousin John the Baptist. 675 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:51,440 That story is told us a repeat of what happened with Abraham and Sarah and 676 01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:57,880 their son Isaac. That story is the story of a close encounter with three 677 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,199 sky people Arians would call them. So join the dots. Here, we've 678 01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:08,719 got a close encounter with ets resulting in an anomalous pregnancy resulting in a very 679 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,880 important human being to the history of planet Earth. Well, we've got three 680 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:19,199 of those right there. And then you listen to the story of the Yellow 681 01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:25,840 Emperor l'atsu Vipasi Buddha, the twenty second incarnation of Buddha before Sidhatagatama Buddha. 682 01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:32,079 It's the same pattern, and those are part of a wider range of stories 683 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,039 that we might refer to as the stories of star children or indigo children. 684 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:45,800 There are mothers today who may tell you, although again these are stories very 685 01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:52,679 closely kept, they might have four kids and they'll say there's something different about 686 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:58,280 kid number three, and there was something unusual about their pregnancy, and in 687 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:04,599 their belief, there was some external factor that meant that child came out more 688 01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:08,840 conscious, more sensitive, more intelligent, something transcendent about them. Well, 689 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:15,440 Jesus's story fits absolutely in that wide pattern. Now, at first that can 690 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:22,440 come across as very threatening to a traditional Orthodox Christian because hang on isn't that 691 01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:24,480 why Jesus is the Son of God? Isn't that why he's the Savior? 692 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,320 Well, don't panic, don't panic. You know that story, Just realize 693 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:37,480 it's part of a bigger story and a bigger vision of God than perhaps you've 694 01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:42,400 done business with before. But you know, for different people, it'll be 695 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,000 a different white rabbit. Yeah, but ultimately it leads to the same great 696 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:52,000 rabbit Warren And you realize all these topics that connected this, they all feed 697 01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:55,440 into one another, and it's part of getting a bigger view of what's going 698 01:02:55,559 --> 01:03:00,440 on where we're living or where we're from and who we are. Yeah, 699 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:01,679 and it's part of a bigger thing. And you got to give You have 700 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,360 to give up your exclusivity, like, no, this is mine, you 701 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:08,719 can't have it. No, it's for everyone, it really is. And 702 01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:16,320 God is dealing with everyone as Benny not Bennie tripping. Billy Graham at the 703 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:22,519 end of his life talks about how God has a remnant and a people for 704 01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:27,400 his namesake that are all over the earth and they have maybe never even as 705 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,519 even so much have heard the name of Jesus spoken, Yes, but they 706 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:35,599 are part of the body of Christ. Listen. Billy Graham, the great 707 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,920 evangelist of our day, said that before he passed. Absolutely I take my 708 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:45,400 hat off to Billy Graham, And you know, I acknowledge he was a 709 01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:51,000 human being. He had his flaws, but he made an amazing journey, 710 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,400 and I think he made that journey as a man of integrity. I actually 711 01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:59,960 worked as a counselor at a couple of Billy Graham missions, and I watched 712 01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:04,639 first hand in action, and I really loved watching him work. And there 713 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,920 was a great humility to the way he did it. Oh, and there 714 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,679 was a humility to the man in broadening his view as he got older. 715 01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:18,400 He used to be very strong on that exclusivity. And then toward the end, 716 01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:21,840 just as you were saying, truth seeker, he was acknowledging God has 717 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:29,320 not left himself anywhere without testimony. And he got so much flat He's amazing. 718 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:34,079 Bo said, Yeah, that's right, he's sold out. Something's happened 719 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:39,079 to him spiritually. That lit a fire in me. Man to see the 720 01:04:39,159 --> 01:04:42,800 greatest evangelists of our day at the end of his run, he's done it 721 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,199 all, traveled the world, preached the gospel hundreds of thousands of people, 722 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,800 and then at the end say, you know what, God is more inclusive 723 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,599 and more loving than we've thought, and he is with everyone man. That 724 01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:59,880 really helped me in my awakening to be more inclusive and to share the gospel, 725 01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:02,679 declare the gospel as the wonderful work of God that's already happened, and 726 01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,920 there's nothing that you can do to change God's mind about the way that he 727 01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:11,599 feels towards you. It revolutionized it for me. There's a couple of questions 728 01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:15,719 here in the Chat, and people are asking about you know, Jesus was 729 01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:21,440 different because he was the only one, only person that ever came through the 730 01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:26,360 Holy Spirit, and he was conceived through the Holy Spirit and not as a 731 01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:30,199 as a sexual encounter. I'm just gonna I'm gonna give my thought. We 732 01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,719 don't have to go deep into this. This is my thought. My studies 733 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:40,679 have led me to the understanding biblically that Joseph was the biological father of Jesus, 734 01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,400 and that he was of the Holy Spirit and his spirit was with the 735 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,559 Father before he came to the earth. And and also that you got to 736 01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:55,000 understand to think that Mary was a virgin. Jesus has two older brothers, 737 01:05:56,639 --> 01:05:59,639 and Mary was a virgin. We're not gonna we don't gotta explore it. 738 01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:01,840 I want to. I want to go to let me. I want to 739 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,280 give another angle on that as well. I'm really I love a longer conversation 740 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:14,320 with you on that true seeker. But not unique because his cousin, same 741 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,559 story exactly of the Isaac, the same story. It's the Holy Spirit. 742 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:25,440 In the case of John the Baptist, it's the same angel whatever that is, 743 01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:29,960 who turns up. And it's after that encounter that Elizabeth is pregnant. 744 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:36,960 So even within the storytelling of the Gospel itself, No, Jesus's conception is 745 01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:42,440 not unique, not even in the Gospel. So I throw that out as 746 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,320 a challenge. I'm with you, and even whether whether you think it's you 747 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,800 know, I think it's it's it's he had a human father, But it 748 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,360 doesn't change the fact of his deity, I would say, and who he 749 01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:57,519 was, and his message and what he brought. That he was of the 750 01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,400 Holy Spirit, just like many of you are. We're conceived of the Holy 751 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,360 Spirit, with a message and with an identity to bring as well. We're 752 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,280 going to open up the phone lines now. I know there's a lot of 753 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,840 people listening right now. If you guys have a question for Paul or myself, 754 01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:14,840 the phone lines are open. The number is in the description wherever you're 755 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,119 watching this at. But if you call in Caveat, mute your YouTube video 756 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,000 and just listen to the audio on your phone. When you call in, 757 01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:26,159 pause the YouTube, mute it. Give us a call. If you have 758 01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:29,079 a question, we'll bring you on air for a question for Paul or myself. 759 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,360 If you want to join the discussion, we'll open the phone lines up. 760 01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:35,400 So we've kind of tied that into a biblical worldview. I know, 761 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,320 we kind of deviated a little bit. I did that to bring it back. 762 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,360 I want to bring it back to the aliens. I want to bring 763 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:46,239 it back to the UFOs. Interesting, somebody in chat who's speaking up a 764 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,000 good bit two questions that I wrote down. They kind of ask these questions 765 01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:56,320 in chat. So I want to bring it back to the fallen angels. 766 01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:01,719 So you even mentioned the beneha Alaheim or even in Genesis chapter six, there 767 01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:08,280 were different beings and most people will say the fallen angels came down and made 768 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:13,440 it with women or angels who left their first estate. And you know there's 769 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,279 a lot of different nuance even in that of these fallen angels or these demonic 770 01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:23,199 entities which we call aliens. And like you know, just as well as 771 01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:27,479 I do, most Christians believe that aliens are demons, and I'm trying to 772 01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:32,439 undo that stigma. Demons are demons, aliens or aliens? What would you 773 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,920 say with fallen angels and these people who will say that these are the entities 774 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,520 that are coming down are demonic fallen angels that are trying to mate with humanity 775 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,600 and part of this hybridization and even working with our government. And that was 776 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,800 the second part of the question. But what would you say to that whole 777 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:54,399 idea of these demons and things that are where you're calling aliens or gods are 778 01:08:54,399 --> 01:09:00,479 actually demons. Yeah, okay, the word demon does not mean the same 779 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,920 as fallen angels. You know, if you just read the stories, you 780 01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:14,479 realize those words refer to totally different kinds of entity. Fallen angel, Yes, 781 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,319 that's fair, left their first estate. That's fair because that's the language 782 01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:24,119 of the texts the way they're translated. But you've got to stop and ask 783 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:30,840 what is a fallen angel? We use the word angel, and we tend 784 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:38,880 to imagine a holy, transcendent, spiritual kind of being. But the stories 785 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:45,720 of the Fallen Angels are of biological entities who were similar enough to human beings 786 01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,439 that they could hybridize with them. Okay, Now, if you're willing to 787 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:54,840 accept that when you use the word angel, you're talking about a biological entity, 788 01:09:55,119 --> 01:10:00,560 then fine, use the word. But the word itself only indicates that 789 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,399 the biological entity you're looking at is on a mission. That's all the word 790 01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:12,960 angel tells you. Follow the story, and what you're looking at is biological 791 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:18,000 entities. You came from the stars, from the skies, came to Earth 792 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:25,399 hybridized, and it created a huge controversy and a great stink and a conflict 793 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,880 among the non human demographics in the story. That's the very least that you 794 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,119 can say. And for my money, if we're talking about non human biological 795 01:10:35,319 --> 01:10:41,840 entities coming from space, I'm very comfortable with calling that an alien or an 796 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:49,720 et. Yeah, that's the difference there is the alien or et and then 797 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:55,800 the difference between what some people would call a demon the word angel. Though, 798 01:10:56,039 --> 01:11:00,920 I would just come back to the point about the word angel indicates function, 799 01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:04,119 indicates someone on a mission. It gets used for those entities, but 800 01:11:04,279 --> 01:11:09,960 it will be used to describe totally different kind of entities in other stories. 801 01:11:10,119 --> 01:11:14,560 So some of them are on a good mission, some are on a mission 802 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,560 to help. So please don't think because you've got the word angel in English 803 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:24,439 in your English text, that it's telling you about the same kind of entity 804 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,520 every time you see it. This is why for me, everything's about translation 805 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:35,079 and going back to the original texts. And I'm of a different opinion when 806 01:11:35,279 --> 01:11:41,680 we're talking about demons, right, demons and angels whatever that means, right, 807 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:46,680 because the word angel means messenger. We know this, but the demons, 808 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,560 the real demons, not fallen angels. Again, those are different entities. 809 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,199 But the demons carry a message as well. The demons are messengers too, 810 01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:01,880 Jesus, that's true. Jesus manifested that showed that different types of lifestyles, 811 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,199 different types of sins would welcome or open you up for a different type 812 01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:12,680 of demonic activity or attack. But it was a message. There were messengers, 813 01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,520 and so there's definitely a difference there with demons and angels. They're also 814 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:21,479 not physical beings. If you're thinking about demons in the Hebrew tradition, Yeah, 815 01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:29,520 they're not physical beings. They are energy based parasitical beings, and that's 816 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,159 something else. In other traditions, the word demon does mean something physical, 817 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,520 but not in the Hebrew tradition, even though they're not physical, right, 818 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,760 So those would be different type of entities if we're going back to Genesis in 819 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,239 the creation story. But for the phenomena of someone waking up in their room 820 01:12:47,119 --> 01:12:55,159 and having an entity at the edge of their bed, most you hear both. 821 01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:58,239 It's an alien, it's a demon. I was abducted. They've tried 822 01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:01,119 to stick things in me, they were looking at me, they were laying 823 01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:05,199 on my chest. I've had these experiences. Yes, I feel like a 824 01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:12,039 lot of people tying them all together where they were saying that their aliens or 825 01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:15,359 their demons, or they're the same thing. But these are different entities, 826 01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:19,159 and I feel like there's a mixture there. Have you Have you thought of 827 01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:25,119 that? I definitely have. In fact, that whole topic of that confusion 828 01:13:25,279 --> 01:13:29,000 is part of the story thread that runs through the Scars of Eden, because 829 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,520 I begin by talking about an encounter I had when I was twenty years old 830 01:13:34,119 --> 01:13:41,680 with some entities in my apartment in bath and at the time, I didn't 831 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,920 know what they were. It was a terrifying experience, and as I reflected 832 01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:47,359 on it as a young Christian, I thought, well, that must have 833 01:13:47,399 --> 01:13:53,079 been a demonic encounter because it was horrible. It was scary, and they 834 01:13:53,119 --> 01:13:58,239 shouldn't have been there. And the only boxes I had in my worldview were 835 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,520 God, the devil, angels, demons, human, animal, vegetable, 836 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,840 mineral. It's got to be one of those. I had no other boxes. 837 01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:09,920 Yeah, now that I've done a bit more research and realized there are 838 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,399 a heap of other boxes, I go back to that story and think, 839 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,720 uh, not demonic. They were physical entities. They weren't human. I 840 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,159 need to take a different box if I'm to really understand what that was about. 841 01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:27,840 I'm with you. In my book, I covered elementals, and I've 842 01:14:28,039 --> 01:14:31,159 encountered elemental beings, and there's even a lot of Christians starting to talk about 843 01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:36,319 elementals. The I think it's storky on. I think it's the Greek word 844 01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:41,600 and the elements that are mentioned in the New Testament, and I started writing 845 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,560 around the elementals and I've had I've had encounters with beings that are made out 846 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,159 of the elements, and it goes back into law and ancient literature. But 847 01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:53,920 even when you're breaking down a category of yes, I encountered the elementals, 848 01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,600 hold on which ones? We're just talking about Earth, their fire and water, 849 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,359 you know, those those elements and elementals that vibrate on those levels of 850 01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:06,359 frequency. No, there's like a lot more. There's the shades, there's 851 01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:12,479 the undines. There's so many more entities that are in that universe, if 852 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,359 you will. Right, and we're talking about UFOs and aliens and angels, 853 01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:20,399 we haven't even begin to talk about the different races or the different factions, 854 01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:26,199 if you will, of benevolent and benevolent ET's that are watching over us or 855 01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:30,159 trying to communicate with humanity as well. That's so true. And you know, 856 01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:34,960 even if you were to confine yourself within the Bible, you've got other 857 01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:42,000 entities named. You've got elementals, you've got shining ones, you've got spirits 858 01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:45,079 whatever they are, that will communicate with you. Yeah, yeah, that's 859 01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:49,199 what You've got, all those. And then the moment you're willing to say 860 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:58,720 there may be information outside of the Bible, your worldview is going to explode 861 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,199 way open, and you're realize this is a far more interesting planet and universe 862 01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:08,680 we live in than ever you thought before. Now Again, so I mentioned 863 01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,319 some of the stuff and I just kind of just let it slip there, 864 01:16:11,399 --> 01:16:15,520 the saying that our government may be working with some of these entities, whether 865 01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,760 they're falling angels, whether they're are creators. You know what? Would you 866 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:24,319 say? That? There's something called the my Lab experiments, and there's very 867 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:31,880 very interesting whether that's dealing with hybridization, that people who have reported being abducted 868 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:38,000 or being upon ships and waking up and seeing what we would describe as some 869 01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:43,279 kind of alien grays or reptilian type beings and then they look in the corner 870 01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:51,239 and there's men in military garb. Oh. Yes, and how how disturbing 871 01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:57,680 that would be. I mean, it's bad enough that you're in some environment 872 01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,119 you don't know where it is, with enterities what they are, and then 873 01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:03,079 when you realize, hey, that's some of our guys standing over there. 874 01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:08,239 Well, how are you going to live your life after that kind of experience? 875 01:17:08,399 --> 01:17:13,159 But yes, absolutely, I believe that is what's going on. I 876 01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:18,920 believe that we have had contact at covert government levels for a long long time, 877 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:28,079 more than seventy years. Robert Kirk I mentioned was a Presbyterian minister who 878 01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:32,479 went to abber Foyle and Scotland and wrote a book that he put out in 879 01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:40,079 the early sixteen hundreds called The Secret Commonwealth. Now, Presbyterian minister, you 880 01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:44,720 don't come much more conservative than that in the Christian world. And yet this 881 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:50,319 is what he is saying. There's another presence that has not only an involvement 882 01:17:50,359 --> 01:17:58,720 in human affairs, but has an influence over human government. That's four hundred 883 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,560 years ago, that was being said just before Christmas. To bring it up 884 01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:09,119 to the present day, Haim Ashad, the former chief of space security for 885 01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:14,239 Israel, the brigadier general who held that position for twenty seven years, came 886 01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:18,439 out and said that on the basis of his experience and work, his understanding 887 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:26,439 is that there is an intergalactic federation in contact at a covote government level that 888 01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:31,880 has chosen not to self disclose until humanity's understanding of space is a bit more 889 01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:38,319 developed. Well, do we believe him if he's telling the truth and he's 890 01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:43,000 only repeating what our ancestors have said for thousands of years, then all of 891 01:18:43,079 --> 01:18:45,479 a sudden, well maybe you shouldn't be surprised if there are some guys in 892 01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:51,319 our uniform standing in the corner while you're being probed. Yes, I believe 893 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:57,359 Covote contact Ed Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon, the 894 01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,479 late Ed Mitchell. I think it would be to find a man of greater 895 01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:05,880 honor and integrity than that, even while bound by layers and layers of official 896 01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:14,760 secrets laws, campaigned for the USA to declassify its UFO files and come clean 897 01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:21,479 about the contact it has with et demographics. So I believe him. I 898 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:27,920 believe hey, Mishad and so yes, that means there is some kind of 899 01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:34,319 conversation going on. The reason that ed Mitchell wanted all that to be disclosed 900 01:19:35,039 --> 01:19:42,560 is because he believed that as a species, we should be at that table. 901 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,800 We should be part of the conversation. We should be able to say, 902 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,079 this is our planet, this is us, these are our agendas, 903 01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:59,439 and to have the intelligence to have diplomatic relationships with other demographics who are with 904 01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,000 us, who are for us, now have a nurturing relationship to us, 905 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:09,039 because our ancestors say that there are people here from the Pleiades, there are 906 01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:15,119 people here from Lyra, there are people here from Sirius who have a very 907 01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:23,159 protective and generous relationship towards humanity. If that's true. If that's the case, 908 01:20:23,239 --> 01:20:26,840 if we have friends at the table, then we need to be there. 909 01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:30,479 I'm part of the conversation. Ed Mitchell believed it was possible. Hey, 910 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,439 mis Shed believes it's possible, which is why he made the statement. 911 01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:38,399 They have more privileged information than I do, but they certainly give me the 912 01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:45,119 confidence to believe the same thing. What do you think that this is getting 913 01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:47,000 us ready for? And I guess what is the purpose of your book? 914 01:20:47,079 --> 01:20:51,000 Do you think that this is getting people ready for disclosure that's going to happen, 915 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:57,880 whether it's from our government or just from the skies. Ah, yes, 916 01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:03,560 good to give people. That's a good distinction. I think if we're 917 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:12,479 thinking about disclosure from human authorities, disclosure is always blended with cover up. 918 01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:16,439 You know, if a document is declassified, that's great. What was the 919 01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:21,000 document that wasn't declassified? Or if a document is declassified, great can I 920 01:21:21,079 --> 01:21:26,600 read the redacted bits? There's always a blend that happens in these moments of 921 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:31,600 disclosure, and I think some of the reasoning behind the soft disclosure we're in 922 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:38,520 now where we've got a number of senior figures like Haymashed speaking about these things, 923 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:45,760 maybe as a kind of insurance policy against disclosure coming from non human authorities 924 01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:50,520 that if suddenly it becomes blindingly obvious, we've got company. The government can 925 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,479 say, oh, don't you remember we told you this, Remember the Senate 926 01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,119 briefings. They'll say, in a few months time, we told you this 927 01:21:57,399 --> 01:22:01,119 was the case. And it's sort of as an insurance measure rather than will 928 01:22:01,159 --> 01:22:08,039 come clean, We'll tell you everything we know. So I don't know if 929 01:22:08,119 --> 01:22:12,840 I put it as strongly as getting us ready. I think having some kind 930 01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:18,159 of safety net for if the news comes out, I think that's more where 931 01:22:18,199 --> 01:22:25,319 we're at in my opinion. Yeah, I'm with you. We have a 932 01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:30,960 question here from Adam starcit Bay, and he wants to know what are your 933 01:22:30,039 --> 01:22:35,479 ideas or findings about the many mysteries of Antarctica. Many people who come on 934 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,960 here, especially when we're talking about flat Earth. All the flat Earth guys 935 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,880 are like Antarctica. All signs point to this ice wall that we cannot get 936 01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:50,279 past whatever in Antarctica that is another alien civilization on that side. But what 937 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:57,199 are your findings and does that stick out to you at all. It is 938 01:22:57,319 --> 01:23:03,039 fascinating. It's not a topic I've really delved into at this point, but 939 01:23:03,279 --> 01:23:10,399 there are certain reasons to do that, not least Admiral birds testimony from all 940 01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:16,159 those decades ago, not least the no go areas that exists. I strongly 941 01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:21,720 suspect we are looking at a presence there, that we're looking at current technology 942 01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:30,279 and buried technology. I think that there is a rich vein to be studied 943 01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,560 in Antarctica. I've not yet done that study myself, so I can't really 944 01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:38,079 speak to it. I just say, yeah, keep looking in that direction 945 01:23:38,199 --> 01:23:43,039 because there's stuff going on there. What do you think let's just go out 946 01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:45,880 on a limb just here at the end of the show. What do you 947 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:51,880 think our craziest technology that we have right now the government has on the planet. 948 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:58,279 What do you think the craziest technology is the craziest technology that we have? 949 01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:04,479 Well, I think that part of our conversation with some of iet neighbors 950 01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:16,520 has included a system of travel through the cosmos that is connected to consciousness. 951 01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:26,239 If you watch the science fiction, we're at a point now where the ships 952 01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:30,880 turn up like that, they just pop into this bit of space. And 953 01:24:30,279 --> 01:24:39,720 I mentioned science fiction because privileged information has a way of leaking into filmmaking and 954 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:46,119 storytelling. And so if you've seen in Star Wars or Star Trek ships popping 955 01:24:46,199 --> 01:24:53,239 into space, well that actually reflects what some of our military have reported. 956 01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:59,800 I think that phenomenon has to do with travel through space or through subspace. 957 01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:08,680 Might call it. That has connected consciousness with technology. And when you listen 958 01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:14,960 to our naval personnel, our Air Force personnel talking about how some of these 959 01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:18,520 UAPs maneuver, they say they're moving like their animals, Like you're looking at 960 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:27,600 a conscious thing rather than a craft that's being piloted. So I say collaboration 961 01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,319 because I wouldn't go as far to say we have that technology. I think 962 01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:36,520 our friends have that technology, and we've been with them when it's been deployed. 963 01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:41,880 And maybe some of our ancients when they talk about being taken into another 964 01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,319 region of space, they're talking about that kind of thing. So I find 965 01:25:45,399 --> 01:25:50,560 that very very interesting. I think the moment you get into the role of 966 01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:59,439 consciousness in material phenomena start joining the dots from some contemporary quantum research. Listen 967 01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,520 to our ancestors when they took the celts talk about the seether or Aboriginal Australians 968 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:10,439 talk about dream time. I think we're in that territory where consciousness can actually 969 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:15,199 achieve real physical travel. So I think that's the most mind bending. At 970 01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:24,560 the mechanical end, I think we have anti gravitic travel, and I think 971 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:29,520 maybe some of the UAPs are UFOs that have been viewed are part of that 972 01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:34,760 experimentation process by us. So I think we've got at least those two things, 973 01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:42,800 which is amazing enough. Yeah, the advanced technology, and then we're 974 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:48,800 talking about consciousness and how the technology is connected to our consciousness or our consciousness 975 01:26:49,079 --> 01:26:55,479 is the advanced technology? Yes, being able to manifest and see some pretty 976 01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:00,239 interesting things at will that for some people are getting faster and faster in order 977 01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:05,720 to manifest things within their life or even UFO contact. Whatever these things are, 978 01:27:06,319 --> 01:27:12,159 our gods, our ancestors, a future version of ourselves, your higher 979 01:27:12,199 --> 01:27:15,439 self. There's a lot of different explanations that people. You know, whatever 980 01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:20,239 is out there, a lot of it is connected to your thoughts and they 981 01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:27,600 respond and show up and wink at your thoughts. It's very very interesting whether 982 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:32,640 we're creating it and it's showing itself in our reality as we ask for it 983 01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,920 as we look for it, just like manifestation with the law of attraction, 984 01:27:36,079 --> 01:27:40,680 whatever you look for shows itself to you. Well, let's step into the 985 01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:45,880 universe with space, alien ancestors. Are you there with the vastness of space 986 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:50,359 and time and history on some timeline, it's out there. Well, can 987 01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:56,039 you say hello? Can you show yourself to us? And we're seeing some 988 01:27:56,319 --> 01:28:00,359 really, really really interesting things. When it comes down the lines of synchronicities 989 01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:06,880 and and deja vus and the matrix and all of that, consciousness is more 990 01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:15,880 explorative and you know, we can shape our reality through our thoughts and how 991 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:19,640 real it is. It is very, very, very interesting, and we 992 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:27,279 are pioneering that individually people can explore that on their own, without any schooling, 993 01:28:27,399 --> 01:28:30,600 even without any train without any training, doing your own inner work and 994 01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:36,479 just the spirit of expectancy placebo if you will, and be able to manifest 995 01:28:38,039 --> 01:28:44,600 whatever kind of spiritual, supernatural or your reality that you're trying to weave. 996 01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,439 I agree, I agree everything you've just said. And I think one of 997 01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:54,920 the most freeing skills to develop in a personal exploration is to learn to ask 998 01:28:55,039 --> 01:29:01,439 the universe your questions, ask the universe your questions and expect an answer, 999 01:29:02,079 --> 01:29:06,560 and I'm finding that the more I ask, the more I see. Didn't 1000 01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:12,840 Jesus say that it's the asking one he receives. Yeah, Yeah, that's 1001 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,640 it. You have not because you asked, if you ask now, And 1002 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,319 that is a universal truth. And I don't think he made that up. 1003 01:29:19,359 --> 01:29:24,560 I think that that was even around hundreds, if not thousands of years before 1004 01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,439 we've got that story. But it is a truth that echoes throughout eternity. 1005 01:29:29,159 --> 01:29:31,760 Paul, what what's next? Man? What do you what do you see 1006 01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:36,279 coming down the pipeline? Well, right now I'm in the thick of launching 1007 01:29:36,399 --> 01:29:42,640 The Scars of Eden, so heaps of conversations, interviews, summits, conferences. 1008 01:29:43,319 --> 01:29:46,800 Hopefully we're both going to be at Holy Grail Multiverse in November at Palm 1009 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:53,000 Springs, which I'm really looking forward to. I reckon if I if I 1010 01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,560 know my own rhythms right, it'll be July that I'll be sitting down to 1011 01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,199 begin working on the sequel of the Scars of Eden. And for that book, 1012 01:30:00,279 --> 01:30:06,279 I'm delving into the question of what other knowledge was buried along with our 1013 01:30:06,399 --> 01:30:12,119 ancestors knowledge of et contact, and in particular, I want to sit at 1014 01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:18,560 the feet of some of our elders of indigenous traditions, and the white rabbits 1015 01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:26,680 I'm following are people who've gone through traditional initiation in African tribal cultures who get 1016 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:31,880 those questions answered for them at that point. Native American story is rich with 1017 01:30:32,039 --> 01:30:36,960 answers about our place in the cosmos. I'm going to go there, Aboriginal 1018 01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,960 Australian the same. I'm going to go there, and I have a particular 1019 01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:46,720 connection with the Philippines, and I'm going to go there and listen to what 1020 01:30:47,039 --> 01:30:54,039 our ancestors have known, have curated the knowledge that survived all the burnings and 1021 01:30:54,159 --> 01:31:00,439 bannings, and then looking at the evidences again in contemporary science and through history 1022 01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:05,840 that corroborate what our ancestors have to say. When you meet those people, 1023 01:31:08,079 --> 01:31:15,000 you'll find that there's an inner knowing that we both know something that we haven't 1024 01:31:15,239 --> 01:31:23,279 talked about or haven't been privy to articulate with the modern world. It's a 1025 01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:27,760 very beautiful experience to sit with the elders who keep and hold those traditions, 1026 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:32,279 and I do think that many of them now are open to share with seekers 1027 01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:38,600 because of yes, a lot of that, a lot of that knowledge is 1028 01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:43,640 dying, whether it's being attacked, whether it's being taken by forced and erased 1029 01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,239 off of the face of the earth, which we've seen time and time again. 1030 01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,880 We talked about it at the beginning, so I think that those conversations 1031 01:31:49,399 --> 01:31:56,239 are even more needed from other people groups who want to learn about the Indigenous 1032 01:31:56,319 --> 01:32:01,119 ways and and how we receded here are spiritual and you'll find again, like 1033 01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:09,279 we said, releasing the exclusivity, seeing that a lot of these stories match 1034 01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:14,159 up. I remember going to the Native American reservation here in Porch, Alabama 1035 01:32:14,319 --> 01:32:17,199 and meeting people, shaking their hand, some of the elder Natives, and 1036 01:32:17,279 --> 01:32:20,880 I can feel the energy, and there was just this inner knowing, and 1037 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:25,239 I said, hey, tell me about the Star people. Man, tell 1038 01:32:25,279 --> 01:32:27,720 me about the Star people. And they were Catholic, you know, they 1039 01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,000 had kind of renounced that kind of thing. I was just part of what's 1040 01:32:30,079 --> 01:32:35,560 what happened. But they still remember the stories and traditions of their youth and 1041 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:43,199 they share them. That's right, And I do believe that some of the 1042 01:32:43,279 --> 01:32:48,920 elders who carry these stories are seeing how desperately the rest of us need the 1043 01:32:49,079 --> 01:32:53,680 knowledge that they have curated, and we're at a time where there is not 1044 01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:59,159 only the need, but I think a greater receptivity to go back to people 1045 01:32:59,239 --> 01:33:02,880 we've ignored and sit down and listen and receive and be informed. Yeah, 1046 01:33:04,359 --> 01:33:08,520 that's some beautiful people out there, Paul. Many blessings on your journey, 1047 01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,520 man. I know we'll do more stuff together. Really love what you're bringing 1048 01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,520 to the table. Resonate with your story, Resonate with your work. Thanks 1049 01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,239 so much for hanging out with me. Means the world. I know you're 1050 01:33:16,279 --> 01:33:20,640 busy and you get getting this good working word out there. Man, thanks 1051 01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:24,199 for hanging out with me. I really appreciate it. Let people know where 1052 01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:27,399 they can go to the best place to go to to find out more about 1053 01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,560 your work. And you have a great body of work as well. You 1054 01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,319 have a lot that you bring to the table, not just these books, 1055 01:33:32,359 --> 01:33:38,159 but other programs and documentaries even and all of those things. Let people know 1056 01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:41,760 where they can go to get involved. Sure. Well, for The Scars 1057 01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:44,600 of Eden, which is my latest book, you can go anywhere books are 1058 01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,800 sold Amazon, Kindle, Hive Book Depository, Barnes and Noble, and you 1059 01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,079 can get your copy there. And if you'd like to get into conversation with 1060 01:33:51,239 --> 01:33:57,800 me go to the Fifth Kind TV on YouTube or the Paul Wallace channel on 1061 01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:01,760 YouTube, and I'm always in the comments every day. I'm there having conversations 1062 01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,960 with people, comparing notes, and to keep up with everything I'm doing, 1063 01:34:06,079 --> 01:34:11,279 go to my website which is Paul Anthony Wallace dot com Anthony with an H. 1064 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,960 Wallace w A L L I S. Paul Anthony Wallace dot com and 1065 01:34:15,079 --> 01:34:19,640 you can keep up with the documentaries, the books and everything else the research 1066 01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:24,359 that I'm doing. And Paul, you cover a lot of topics again, 1067 01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:28,359 spirituality, Jesus, history, religion, all of those things. You tie 1068 01:34:28,359 --> 01:34:31,760 it all back in. But there's something about your UFO, your alien work 1069 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,039 that seems to be of interest of people. A lot of your videos are 1070 01:34:35,079 --> 01:34:39,279 in the millions of views. Now, is that something that you've seen that 1071 01:34:39,359 --> 01:34:42,760 there was an interest in and you just wanted to double down on what the 1072 01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:50,840 people were interested in researching? No, it's more me following my nose and 1073 01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:56,760 my passion and the things I'm finding out and joining the dots and happily finding 1074 01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:00,039 that a lot of people want to share that journey for sure. For sure, 1075 01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,760 Man, Hey appreciate it. Man, you got good content, good 1076 01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:11,640 work. I'm a subscribe connected. I love what you're doing and I'm really 1077 01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:15,079 looking forward to our next conversation too. For sure, we'll we'll find another 1078 01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:17,359 topic and uh and we'll we'll get down a rabbit hole. Brother, I 1079 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:24,800 appreciate it. Man, many blessings, brood, peace, salone, the 1080 01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:29,680 good night. He's uh in Australia, it's mourning for him. So anyway, 1081 01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:31,239 uh, man, I hope you guys enjoyed that episode. I really 1082 01:35:31,279 --> 01:35:36,640 did. Paul Wallace is amazing and this subject can be taboo for for many 1083 01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:41,720 people. It could be scary. Again. I know people early on when 1084 01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,399 I was getting into a lot of this stuff who were afraid and and the 1085 01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:51,159 notion of ets and aliens that that they really believed in. But how does 1086 01:35:51,239 --> 01:35:56,000 it How do I reconcile it with my faith? And so that's the biggest 1087 01:35:56,079 --> 01:36:00,479 question because for many people, it undoes everything that they've been told, everything 1088 01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:05,840 that they've studied, all of their religious experience and religious encounter with the divine. 1089 01:36:08,359 --> 01:36:12,960 Was it merely chalked up to space aliens, you know? And so 1090 01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:16,199 that was very detrimental for a lot of people to wrap their head around. 1091 01:36:16,319 --> 01:36:20,880 And for some people it really messes up their faith. For me, it 1092 01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:27,279 had quite the opposite, because it wasn't detrimental, It didn't question my faith. 1093 01:36:27,359 --> 01:36:30,159 It made me believe that it was something more real, that there are 1094 01:36:30,319 --> 01:36:35,720 portals between heaven and Earth, and that the angels, the messengers, the 1095 01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:42,039 benehai Elohem, the watchers, all of these, these seraphim, the Rapayen, 1096 01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,640 the Cherubim, all of these angels that are traveling back and forth from 1097 01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:49,479 Heaven to Earth. Like the Bible says, and like all the other books 1098 01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:56,760 of antiquity say, whether you can go out under the night sky and with 1099 01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:01,319 an open mind and an open heart, you can see these travels. Now 1100 01:37:01,359 --> 01:37:04,520 you may not. You may have to spend more than five to fifteen minutes, 1101 01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:10,960 you may have to spend seven hours. But how bad do you want 1102 01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:15,479 it? I wanted it bad. Stayed out there hours every day, every 1103 01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,239 day, every day much as I could, looking up all the time, 1104 01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:24,880 driving, looking up, stargazing, listen. It made everything more real to 1105 01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:32,000 me that there were entities, that there were angels carrying messages, carrying essences. 1106 01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:39,640 The angels themselves are in essence, and essence is a message. The 1107 01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:44,640 Bible is full of this genesis. The revelation, and it made it more 1108 01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:48,279 real to me, and so that's why I study it. It is definitely 1109 01:37:48,319 --> 01:37:53,760 a part of my faith and it's the very real part. With that, 1110 01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,840 I'm gonna say piece and shalom. Thank you guys for hanging out. Make 1111 01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,319 sure you check out Paul Paul's work. Go to this website. You have 1112 01:38:00,399 --> 01:38:03,760 amazing videos. He does a great job at what he does, and check 1113 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:08,199 him out. Also, if you have not subscribed to my channel, make 1114 01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:11,520 sure you click that button now. Go ahead and subscribe, click the thumbs 1115 01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,319 up, give us a like, and also check out my book. If 1116 01:38:14,319 --> 01:38:17,520 you haven't had a chance to check out my book, Spirit, realm Angels, 1117 01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:21,960 Demon Spirits, and the Sovereignty of God. There's a chapter on aliens, 1118 01:38:23,039 --> 01:38:27,800 There's a chapter on UFO. There is a chapter on my personal experiences 1119 01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,479 with the elementals and with the angels and with the demons, all of the 1120 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:35,439 entities that I've encountered. So go check that book out. If you don't 1121 01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:40,760 have money to get it on Amazon, you can actually download the audible version 1122 01:38:41,079 --> 01:38:45,000 for free by visiting truthseeka dot com. The link is there. If you 1123 01:38:45,079 --> 01:38:48,399 go to that website, you can click on the link that will send you 1124 01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:53,479 to the free audible version and you can actually hear me read it to you 1125 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:57,239 for four and a half hours. Also, last, but not least, 1126 01:38:57,279 --> 01:38:59,680 you know, we have our Patreon those of you who want to support my 1127 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:04,199 work what I'm doing there. Something more inclusive is the Mystic Circle. 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