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Operations, Cobert Ops, Aspionage,
The Team House with Your Hopes, Jack

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Murphy and David Bark Hey, Good
evening, folks. This is episode two

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hundred and eighty four of The Team
House. I'm Jack Murphy here with David

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Park and our guest on tonight's show
is Daniel Corbett. He is the author

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of American Mercenary, which is going
to be released this August. The book

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is available for pre order right now. Daniel served in the Sealed Teams and

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as the title of the book implies
went on to do some mercenary operations and

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Yemen and Serbia and a few other
places that we'll talk all about. Before

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Daniel, thank you for joining us.

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Man. Yeah, thanks for having
me. Yeah. So, like most

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of our guests, I'm going to
ask you for your origin story. Tell

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us a little bit about how you
grew up and how that kind of propelled

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you towards military service. Uh.
Yeah, it was a pretty good childhood.

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My dad was in the army,
so we moved around a bunch.

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Was born in Hawaii, left there
after about a year, then hopped around

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three years in Germany, and then
by fifth sixth grade hit Texas. Was

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there for a year and then settled
on northern California, went to high school,

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finished up, and towards the end
of high school is when I made

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you know, the decision point,
you know what I was gonna do the

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rest of my life? And you
mentioned something because I was, you know,

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fortunate enough I got to read a
copy of your book. What was

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the catalyzing event that made you think
Navy Seals is my thing? Yeah?

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So I was running across country one
year and the assistant coach was a young

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dude, like twenty one, and
he was like, hey, what are

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you going to do when you when
you graduate? And you know, when

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I was sixteen, high school was
great, and you know, I thought

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that would be life forever. You
know, I wasn't There was no pressure

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to apply to college, and I
don't think anyone in my family had even

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been to college. So it was
like just keep keeping being an athlete and

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partying and being awesome in high school. But you know, that was in

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real life, so I never really
thought about it. I was like,

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fuck, I got to grow up. And he handed me a VHS tape

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on the History Channel beneath like Navy
Seals. It was like, I think,

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made like late nineties and had a
really cool voiceover and it said,

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you know, Vietnam Navy Seals had
to kill ratio of two hundred and one

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and all this cool shit and fucking
clad ass, and then they asked one

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guy to interview him. He said, what makes you guys so good?

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He said, We're not that good, just that everybody else just sucks.

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I'm like, okay, that's cool. I like that. And that was

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it as oak Line sink because I
liked I liked doing the endured, durant

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sports like triathlons and a cross country
And then you know, I was a

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stud football player, but socially,
you know, I was really smart,

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so I got put in all these
extra classes, and you know, the

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smart kids were nervous and I didn't
like hanging out with them. And then

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the jobs were just kind of dumb, so I didn't get any like stimuli

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out of them. And then I
think when I saw that documentary and that

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guy say that, and you know
you could see there is you know,

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an aspect of intelligence and that physical
demanding side, I was like, that

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looks perfect. I want to do
that. Yeah. And so you go

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into the Navy tell us about you
know, getting into the seal teams.

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You spent a period of time of
course in the White side seal teams and

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then went over to dev group later
on tell us a little bit about that

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experience. I had a great time. I checked in the Seal Team five

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and earlier that was A five.
First deployment was straight to Afghanistan summer of

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O five. It was awesome.
We were in Ramadi, Kalifar Haabidia Bagdad,

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so I mean it was good.
We got to do some good stuff.

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Did that. And then my buddy, after that deployment with my best

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friends, said hey, I'm screening
for still Team six. I said,

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I don't read Still Team five.
I really had no idea what that was

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at the time. It does like
whatever. He's like, you should do

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it too, just because he's my
best friend. I was like, okay,

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I'll do it with you. And
you have to go get a packet

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and fill it out and kind of
get permission from the master chief at the

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command And when I went in there, the master chief was very surprised.

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He's like, I was actually looking
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this also, and I said,
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The cadre came out from the East
Coast, screened us, did the

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interview process, and they've got the
thumbs up for the next class so I

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still had another deployment to the Philippines
did that, was back for about a

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month and then boom straight over to
selection. And you mentioned in the book

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I believe that you were like one
of the youngest guys to make it through

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Green Platoon. I think you said
you were like twenty three. Yeah,

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I checked in at twenty three.
That's crazy. You know. There's there's

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the bed, there's the pros and
cons, right, sure, yeah,

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my body's not broken, right,
so there's that. You know, I

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still you know, you still have
your head in the clouds dry. You

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think everything's bigger and better. You
still have it. You've yet to look

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behind the curtain and see there is
no Wizard of Oz. It's just a

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dude with the screen, right,
So that's good. The only thing that

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wants, you know, is that
I would say the maturity aspect definitely did

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catch up to We didn't catch up
to me in the seal team, so

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it was like, oh, he's
a rock starter, you can do whatever

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he wants. Definitely, Definitely those
deficits definitely sh once I got over to

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Virginia, for sure. Yeah.
So in the in your book, you

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actually it's really more about your time
in the private sector and not so much

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about your time in Seal Team six. But I mean, before we move

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on, is there anything you want
to say about high lights, low lights,

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turn ons, turn offs, nightlife. I mean, so much,

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and so much of it was a
coming of age story for me too.

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You know, I was from eighteen
through twenty seven, twenty nine, I

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was active duty, so I mean
it was just a young man growing up

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and also happened to have been a
seal in that Stil Team six and got

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to do all these cool things.
It was the fun. I didn't have

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one moment where I was like,
oh, I need to be at again.

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I didn't know what Stil Team six
was like. I loved my time

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at Silteae Vibe. I loved my
deployment to the Philippines and to Iraq.

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I loved all the things we did
at you know, Stial Team six.

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We would talk about the good and
the bad. I mean, it's just

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like anywhere else. It's a it's
a big the war machine is big,

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and there's politics and bureaucracy and great
leaders and not so great leaders, and

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good teams and bad teams. So
I mean that could go on for all

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forever and ever. But ah,
in all, I had a great time.

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Were you saying that you were a
sort of relative immaturity kind of caught

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up with you when you got to
Seal Team six, when you got out

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to Virginia? Yes, can you
talk about that at all? Yeah,

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one hundred percent. Yeah. There's
a different there's a little bit of a

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different culture too. And when I
was in San Diego, I could be

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a seal until the beer lamp was
lit, and then I could go out

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and wear my Raiders hat over my
ears and tell people I as a tattoo

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artist, and that shit flew right. No one knew, No one cared.

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When you're out at Seal Team six. You're part of the National Mission

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Force twenty four to seven, right, And I was like, what's the

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big deal? I came in,
I fucking shot, Well, I've cleared

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the room. We did her jump, so whatever we did that day,

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Like who gives a fuck? Who
gives a fuck what I do out of

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town or whatever, And they're like, YEA have a bro Like you know

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nothing. I didn't get a duy
or anything, but it was like,

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hey, like you can't get in
trouble, you can't not make it to

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work because you have court like you, oh, like you're part of this.

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Now you're not part of you,
you're part of this. And then

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when there's time for you, you
go check the mail or whatever. Right,

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but because you don't have that time, and I was like, it's

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just another nine to five, and
it wasn't. It definitely isn't in The

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guys who are there deserve the guys
who are who are willing to be you

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know that committed twenty four to seven, because that's what it takes, one

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hundred percent. One one story that
you kind of glaze over in the book

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I want to see if I can
pry out of you maybe is how do

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you get your call sign? Oh? Dirty? You know, apparently there's

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multiple dirties in the steal teams.
And then and I know I'm not the

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first, but when guys meet me, they're like, man, he like

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dresses nice, his nails are all
trimmed, and he wears a good cologne.

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And we're like, what the fuck
is turvy? It's like an oxymoron,

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like calling a big guy tiny and
none of that. I was a

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new guy and everybody in my platoon
had nicknames, and I did it and

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I was this was a platoon that
eventually got disbanded because it was just too

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crazy. But for being nineteen,
it was awesome for me. And a

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lot of our lunchtime started at Danny's, our bar and Pornado at noon and

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would end up at the strip club
and we never made it back to the

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base. And this is with senior
leadership, right, So I was like,

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hey, these guys here, I'm
good. It was one one night

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in the strip club. I was
flirting with this with this woman. She

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was a little bit older than me, and I said, hey, what

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are you doing after work? She
said, money, you can't handle me.

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I'm too nasty for you. And
I was like, you know,

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I you know, I didn't want
to back down. I said, well,

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I'm dirty. And the old guys
behind me heard that and they're like,

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that's tried your dirty no, because
they kept they were like, oh

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and I know what they meant by
that. I'm like, dude, this

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is gonna fucking suck. But you
know whatever, I rolled with it and

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it's all good. Now. I
love the part of your book where somebody

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tries calling you mister dirty and you're
like, no, mister dirty is my

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dad's name. So I what what
what precipitates you, you know, eventually

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deciding to leave the command and become
what a lot of people probably don't understand

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or don't know about that there are
Navy Seal reservists. Well you mean leave

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Act to duty or leave Steal Team
six. Uh, I guess both.

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Yeah, because you were doing c
QC training first before you. Yeah,

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so I left. I love Steal
Team six. It was kind of like,

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hey, I think you need to
leave, and I'm like, yeah,

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you're probably right. So it was
kind of those I could have fought

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to stay to stay, but I
was kind of over it. So I

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came back to the West Coast to
teach CQC, which is Clostporters Combat Room

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Clearing at SQT, which is so
qualification training that follows BUDS for six months.

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And it was it was a blessing
because it was me and like three

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or four other very recent Still Team
six guys that were either in a semi

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what I like to call a tier
one time out with me, like kind

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of in the penalty box, or
or they were like twilighting and Mama Bear

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was like, uh uh, we're
going to San Diego and Navy's gonna pay

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for it, and like, okay, maybe we got this. I to

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me the appointments with you on the
East Coast. Okay, so we had

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that, we had a good mix
of guys and the students we put through

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our four week course. When we
had that group, I would put up

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against any platoon at that time going
through it was awesome. Yeah, you're

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really proud of your time as an
instructor. I thought, yeah, it

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was. It was very humbling to
be to get there from you know,

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you're from sel Team six and the
first day you get asked to demo a

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room and I do, Hell,
I know how to do it. And

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you know, the first thing the
head cadre says from the raptors is don't

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do anything. That guy just did, you know. I'm like, that

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was perfect, That's what I do. And I had to realize how to

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teach it. I was talking to
kids who've never even seen this, right,

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you know, it's like oh shit, oh yeah, moving moved safety.

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I'm like, I haven't done that
forever. Yeah, So it was

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it was really humbling. And then
it was like, Okay, just because

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I'm good at something doesn't mean i'm
good at teaching it all right. I

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need to learn how to be good
at teaching and really really fulfilling because you

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get told you're good so many times
you're like, yeah, okay, thanks,

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But when someone tells you that their
new guys are performing amazing because you

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taught them, it doesn't need to
compare. Yeah, and then how do

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you make the jump over to was
it Seal Team seventeen? Yeah? So

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I went to the a career counselor's
office. I'm like, man, I'm

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up for a reenlistment. Everyone's getting
these big like eighty five k you know,

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they're flying out to Bahrain escorts something
and being this thing and everything's good.

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And I walk in and you're like, yeah, man, you're not.

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You're not You're not eligible because you
did some weird early advancement E five

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star program and you didn't dissolve this
and that, so yeah, you're not

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getting that. So okay, oh
that bag. I was mad, And

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then I was like, well,
at least I know what decision I'm making

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now is to get out because it
just didn't make sense. Became totally disenchanted

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with our mission and what we were
doing and the way things were turning you

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can just see the writing on the
wall, the patterns in place, and

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I'm like, I don't want to
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I left. I left. I
went and rowed boats for about a year

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and a half. I'm doing anti
piracy stuff. You doing, being on

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being on a bridge wing in the
middle of the ocean. Ah, I

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feel really small and it's really fucking
boring, and you're like, man,

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what, man, what the fuck
am I doing? Live? Right?

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So this was with a Trident group, yep. Yeah, And this was

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at the height of like the anti
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I was like, fucking let's go. But I didn't see any fucking pirates,

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you know, and I was like, this isn't for me. So

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I swallowed my pride. And I
say swallowed my pride because you know,

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I see too many guys get out. Oh I'm gonna start a tactical fucking

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whatever business. So I'm gonna go
get my NBA Wharton right, and then

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you'll see them like, you know, kind of sulking back into the the

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to the door, like hey,
guys, can I come back? And

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I was like, oh that sucks. I wish you really would have made

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it like if you're gonna go go, And then I found I found myself

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in that same situation, missing the
teams and you know, not really having

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any guidance, and what I left
and did doing doing the contracting stuff that

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I did, it definitely wasn't what
I thought and it was really not for

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me. So I called up Seal
Team seventeen, which is the West Coast

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active reserve team, and said,
hey, guess what do you think I

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see? Come on over and I
mean, it sounds like it was fun

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for you, and that one of
the you know, plus sides is in

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the Army, they call it being
a guard bump. You know, the

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guys who keep going trying to find
schools to get themselves sent to because when

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you're on active duty orders you get
paid. When you're not, you're not

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being paid for Folks out there don't
know how that works. Could tell us

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about what it's like being a seal
reservist. No, that's that's awesome.

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I had no idea that that culture
exists in the Army. I wish we

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did in in the Navy and the
Seal teams because a lot of people don't

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know that. They don't know how
the pay structure works, and you know

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I didn't either. It's like,
hey, you get paid for the days

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you show up and do your drill
weekends and only if you get on orders.

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And I was like, well,
fuh like how can I get on

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orders? Yeah? Well I put
in for every school I could, and

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it was hard because there was no
vehicle to send a reservists through these schools

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because no one's ever done it.
We didn't have we don't have guardbones.

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So I was like the first one
right. So they're like, would we

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pay? Like would you know they're
going to opso and master chiefs like,

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Drudy's not mobilized, but we have
some money. Can he go on orders

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and we mobiliz, like we activate
him and he does the school And they're

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like, oh no, sure.
So when once I got to one school

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went to another and then you know, it was September October time frame,

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they're like, hey man, we
don't have any money anything. I said,

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okay. And there's a program in
I don't know, I hope it

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still exists in the navy down there
inab it's the language program and that's paid

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for by a big navy. Not
that the still team seventeen pools of money.

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It's its own group of money from
a pot of money from the big

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Navy. And the people that run
the language school are always like, hey,

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if you know anybody who wants to
learn any language, come here,

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We'll put you on orders here and
Navy will pay for it. Not still

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Team seventeen. And I had already
went to the language lab there for Tagalog,

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which is now called Filipino Language School, before my appointments to the Philippines.

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So I walked over and like,
Hey, we're going to Korea,

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can I learn Korean? And they're
like, yeah, there you go.

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Boom, got out orders for three
months earning Korea and actually double I doubled

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down on that again after we got
back from Korea with another language. Yeah

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you went to take Russian. Yeah
yeah. So it was a hustle,

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It was a full time hustle.
Yeah yeah, no, that's cool man.

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Yeah. So then let's get into
some of the you know, the

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bulk of your book is, you
know, you're still a reservist, but

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you're also you know, trying to
fill those gaps, I mean, looking

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for a paycheck and you find yourself
in the private sector. How does it

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come about, like you get linked
up with this guy, I don't I

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don't know whose names are aliases and
who's are real. In your book,

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there's one character named Malachi and then
there's another Isah Malachi. Tell us how

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that comes about? How you meet
these guys? Well, the one character,

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Isaiah I've known from the Seal teams. He called me up and said,

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hey, you know, we're doing
some things and your name came up

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and we could use you. Good
dude, knew him socially, didn't work

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with him. So I decided to
have lunch with him or like the afternoon

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beverages, and from what he was
telling me and what he could tell me,

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I was not interested. And the
following week I was back at still

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teen seventeen, hustling trying to get
another school, and it was looking good.

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They're like, oh man, you're
slated, you're going. And then

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the week after that, I got
the call. It's like, hey,

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it's a no goo. Someone else
took the slot, Like fuck, So

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I called him up and I said, hey, you guys still looking for

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somebody? He said, yeah,
actually the prime Malachi he wants to meet

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you. And then that's how that
whole thing got started, And how was

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that first meeting with Malachi go?
It was very much not quite a dick

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measuring contest, but a lot of
like who fuck is this guy? Yeah?

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Me, I was who the fuck
is this guy? I had a

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no lockedwy loaded in my back pocket
ready to go before I even left.

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It was. It was that a
super nice place. You know, everyone

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had sports cars. I was wearing
a hoodie and jeans or forget like I

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was not did not give a shit. I gave a shit enough to go,

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but I wasn't about to bend over
backwards, I guess you could say.

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So I get there and the team
guy I know and Malachi are sitting

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there and they're all dressed nice and
they're hanging out, and it was obviously

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I'd been there for a little bit
before me, and it was just,

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you know, the questions were for
me, it was like, hey,

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where's this money coming from? What
is the job? Who is the client?

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You know? Is this all above
board? And the responses were like

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yes, of course, and then
if they weren't yes of course, it

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was like don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it kind of do and

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I was really like, Okay,
thanks I'm out of here. And then

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Malachi is like, hold up.
He pulls out a pen. Got to

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napkin. There's a super crazy flow
chart. Does this make sense? How

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this works? And who's paying who? And who the client is? Not

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really? And then we had another. Then it went on for another hour,

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and then finally, you know,
it was good enough. I was

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like, okay, let's do it
because I had this. You know,

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I did the reserve thing, which
is cool, but you know, you

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have all these talents and skills,
and you know there's still bad guys out

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there, and you're like, man, I want to go continue to do

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this. And when I was sitting
at that first meeting with Malachi, it

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seemed like this is a perfect gate
with And I mean, when you came

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away from that meeting, what was
your conception of what this job actually is?

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I think I was. I was
pretty on, I'm going to go

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advise and assists you know, one
of our Allied Nations special horses. And

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then let's see, I've had enough
time in the military and traveled and seen

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other units, Like it's really hard
to be thrown off with any situation,

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right, Who's gonna be this,
We're gonna leave on this state. Well,

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until you're on the plane and that
burns out the tarmac, you're not

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gone right, right, So I
think we've all we all know how that

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shit ros so nothing really throws you
off after that many years active duty.

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So I think one of the really
interesting things about your book is that,

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you know, it actually kind of
details like how does one become a modern

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day mercenary, and your book really
kind of walks through that step by step.

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Could you tell us a little bit
about, you know, after that

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first meeting, what that was like
for you, How how you came into

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this role. I mean, I'm
sure you did the right thing. You

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got to sign contract, how to
layor look over it? Yeah, sure,

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it's good to go. I mean, for real, tell us what

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it's really like. It's funny I
meet kids like, oh, I'm mean

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mercenary Like, bro, like that's
just go do something and you will fall

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into whatever it is. You can't
go on LinkedIn and type and right,

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So what I want to Yeah,
you can apply to the big companies.

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You know, back in the day
it was Blackwater, I think it now

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is constell It is like private contractor
gigs. Yes, right, you can

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there are avenues for that where you
can go conroll their Virginia and go talk

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to those people. But I want
to do something totally different with no with

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no market cap, right, be
a complete entrepreneur, capitalists more gray area,

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right, kind of dancing in the
gray area, and then do it.

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I was like, fuck it,
like, let's roll. I don't

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give a ship. So I think
you just to get where I was you.

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Obviously you need to have the skills
to find fixed finish, right.

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You need to be able to shoot, work in a team X y Z.

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That's a prerequisite. You just you
won't even get asked to the table

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unless you have that. And then
you know, it's a it's just a

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little networking community. It's like,
hey, I got this thing going on

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in the border of Texas blah blah
blah or whatever, Like hey millionaires kid

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needs security, Like it could be
you know night' send this phone calls.

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We're like, hey, do you
do security? It's like absolutely not,

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but I know who does. It's
like, hey, this guy has a

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hit on him. He needs someone
that's ready to fight. It's like,

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okay, that's more interesting. So
it's kind of like once you get in

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and you do one thing with one
person and they're in that network and you

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get the the hey he's a good
dude, we trust him, and then

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you're then you're in it. But
going back to that night we agreed,

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I had money wired on my account
like three hours later and we're on a

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plane the next week. And when
we got in the country, I was

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like, Yep, this is what
I expected. Let's do it. And

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what country did you go with this? Was this the Emirates first or Abu

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Dhabi? Yeah, we'll say if
we flew the Abu Dhabi. Yeah,

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kind of gathered there and there,
we popped around and eventually got to geten

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And I mean, what's interesting about
this contract as like you alluded to it

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a little bit, but this isn't
like a blackwater job doing mobile security and

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bag dad. Like you guys were
kind of off the grid to the point

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that nobody really knew who you were
or what you were doing. Obviously you

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were working for a client, but
aside from that client, I don't know

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who else knew what you were up
to. It sounds like not many people

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knew what we were up to,
whether they would admit it or not.

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It is one thing we before we
ever left to do anything. We always

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would beat with people and let them
know what our intent was and they'd either

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go or they job, and if
we got them, oh, then we'd

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be like okay. No. It
was working with their super special presidential guys

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and getting them up to speed on
being a small unit. And we tried,

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and then through frustration and being mildly
stagnant, I was like, all

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right, what's the minimum force required
from these guys. I'll go fucking do

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this thing. It's right there,
give me the green light before moving on

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to the next thing. I really
got to ask you about the team of

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guys who were over there with because
they're about the most colorful characters imaginable.

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Can you tell us like a little
bit about their background, who they are,

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what they're like. Yeah, so
we had we had a couple of

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team guys, you know they were, which is easy because we all know

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the same language and we have the
same room clearing techniques and that we all

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knew each other socialist. That was
good. And then we had Malachai,

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older dude, bad motherfucker, awesome
mentor. And then you had an army

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guy that was super religious and no
one's reading his Bible. Then we had

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another army guy that was like a
straight up looked like an eighties porn star,

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like they were all characters. And
then we had one French guy that

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was like super super big heart,
super nice guy. I had no idea

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why he was there doing things without
us, So are we doing here?

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Bro? Like, oh, oh
you know it's like showed me pictures of

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his kid playing sports and how much
he loves his wife. And I'm not

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saying you can't have that and do
this job. I'm saying, like,

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get what we got this. And
then we had an ex fourn legion guy

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who's Polish and just like he was
impossible to try to like talk to and

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work with. And then through trial
and error and some examples, I learned

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that just yelling at him and saying
fuck every third sentence got him to do

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it what I needed him to do. And I don't know if that's a

408
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.200
foreign legion thing or a Polish thing
or fucking what, but that's that's the

409
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.599
way. That's the leadership style he
responded to. So that's what I had

410
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:26.480
to give him. What was Melachi's
background, Oh he's just all around bad

411
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.400
motherfucker. I think you know,
I think he was more legion and then

412
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:41.400
after citizenship Israeli Israeli something, and
that's about it. I don't know.

413
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:48.240
I don't know how deep into military
or you know, the government side he

414
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:55.720
did, but definitely a legit background, legit operator. And somehow he gets

415
00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:02.279
linked up with a client in the
Emirates. Who this the Emirates? Okay,

416
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:11.319
then that facilitates this contract. And
again the other interesting thing again,

417
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.200
this isn't a Blackwater mobile security contract. You guys actually had targets that they

418
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:21.319
assigned to you, they assigned to
the unit we were with, right right,

419
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.960
Yeah, tell us about that.
I mean you get these targeting packets

420
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:33.400
from them, and intelligence briefings.
I mean, I wouldn't call them intelligence

421
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.240
briefings are legit packages. There's a
big guy here to get them, and

422
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.519
I'm like, hold on, right, you guys have eyes on. Yeah,

423
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.160
we have one drone Okay, how
long can it stay up? Oh

424
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.039
like eight hours? So you have
no overlapping your gaps? Well yeah,

425
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.079
Like coming from a Jason background,
you take things like that for granted.

426
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.680
They're like what twenty four hour overlape? Yeah, one comes on station,

427
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.400
the other one release it, boom, boom. So oh that makes sense

428
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.279
because he could go he could go
to the mosque during that time, or

429
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.720
go to the fucking market whatever the
fuck they do, and you can lose

430
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.920
eyes on So yeah, so there's
a lot of things you think are common.

431
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.960
But again that country there is only
what like fifty years old now the

432
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:22.519
UAE, and half their military is
outsourced, so there was really no one

433
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:30.359
there like setting up like a JSOF
type functioning intel or troops on the ground

434
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.839
or anything. It was just kind
of like whoever the general was in charge

435
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:38.839
of X, Y or z,
it would just be that ry. And

436
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.599
so the targets what you I mean, from what you were told anyway,

437
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:48.319
one was an AQAP leader and the
other was a bomb maker. Yeah yeah,

438
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.920
so one was just as straight up
a kept Al Qaeda Arabian Peninsula,

439
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:57.799
bad dude. And the geography of
Yevan was crazy because you had so many

440
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.680
different you know, the days of
World War two where there's a line and

441
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.000
this group's wearing one set of uniforms
and we're wearing the other set. I

442
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.880
mean, that shit's gone away forever
now, and it's just fucking all these

443
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:15.000
little factions of who these the ACAP, you know, the guys who backed

444
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:20.279
the president of Yemen who don't.
So it was really confusing. But the

445
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:25.799
a CAP was universally bad guys,
right, bad guys. Yeah, commander

446
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:32.160
and target right outside the base.
Tell us about that first op, you

447
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.519
guys went on. So the first
op, I would say, the first

448
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.440
op was just there's more of a
walkthrough with her, the team we're working

449
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.039
with, and we decided to you
know, have they have even be in

450
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.720
the big m raps And we had
up armored vehicles and we were going to

451
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.440
do like a route recory of the
area pretty much the same profile of what

452
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:58.480
we wanted to do to go after
a QUAP guy, the ACAP commander,

453
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:04.839
but we did it offset enough to
where it wasn't the same neighborhood. So

454
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:09.039
daytime, we rehearsed the day before
and the night before and it was going

455
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:14.680
good. Calms were good. You
know, our partner for us is English,

456
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.599
was just popping. You know,
I somehow, I don't know,

457
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:22.799
my Arabic understanding was good. And
then we went out on the street outside

458
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:30.880
the gate radio shit the bed fucking
the m raps set point, they don't

459
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:36.039
stay put, and we go down
the little alley doing our route WRECKI or

460
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:40.640
walk through, and you know,
the turns start getting tighter, starts getting

461
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:45.359
a little bit more narrow, got
more and more. LOOKI louse looking out

462
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.839
the window. Women and children start
disappearing, dudes walking around with a k's

463
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:52.119
And it was like, all right's, let's fucking did he now out of

464
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.319
here? And we had passed like
a turnout alley points where we can just

465
00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:00.200
do like a little quick three point
because going forward was no good. It

466
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:05.519
was just more of an ambush alley. And you said, the vehicle in

467
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:07.679
front, the guys in the backseat
are looking at us and like we're doing

468
00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:12.159
like Navy Seal charades, like no
bad, like we fu you know what

469
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.239
I mean, like trying to do
what we can, like this is not

470
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:19.920
good. And I turned around the
backseat and I see all three of the

471
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:24.119
m raps stuck in this alley,
went through review mirrors, smashing against these

472
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.920
walls, and I'm like, oh
my god, like we're fucked, Like

473
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.960
we're just fucked. I was like, you know, like that ways fucked.

474
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.239
We need to go that way to
the car in front, and they're

475
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:40.000
like what I'm I just fucking going
so we broke away from our apartment for

476
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.000
US and we got back to base
and they got back to base. Everybody's

477
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:45.960
like, you fucking ditched us,
Like you didn't do the plan. We're

478
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:51.840
supposed to stay hot. Everyone's motherfucker
and each other. Oh, I was

479
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.119
fucking I'm like, dude, what
are we gonna do? Like this is

480
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.239
bad. I'm like, we need
to like rese up, go back to

481
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:06.719
their home country, sit down,
drop like a six month legit. This

482
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.480
is how we do ship. And
they're like, yeah, that's not gonna

483
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:17.199
happen. Thank you for your input, dirty now yeah exactly. So that

484
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.320
was our first stop and I was
like, hey, how do we go

485
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:25.079
about doing this? You know,
I don't want to give too much of

486
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:30.199
it away, but we did.
We we spun up and on that one

487
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:40.079
we spun up and right before we
launched, it was Dan and then you

488
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.920
guys, that's when you get shifted
to the secondary target, right, the

489
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.199
bomb maker. Yeah, so we
had we're the number two guy on the

490
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.920
deck. I was given to our
partner for US. There's supposedly the guy

491
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.480
who did the US is coal bombing. So I was like, cool,

492
00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.280
I think it would have been more
jazzed about it if I wouldn't. But

493
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:01.920
I wasn't already in the country for
a couple of weeks or months. I

494
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:07.800
was like, who gives a fuck, let's go get them same thing.

495
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.679
First, we had to transit a
couple I think two hundred lometers north where

496
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.400
we were stayed out of a fucking
bombed out air base. Like it was.

497
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:22.360
It was pretty it's pretty surreal.
There was a bunch of like pof

498
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.000
airplanes that were military that all had
bullet holes and it just gotten bombed.

499
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.519
I was like, holy fuck,
this is wild. So may a little

500
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:35.800
makeshift camp there. We're getting ready
to roll out the first night, and

501
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.360
there was like a technical with a
cap just waiting for us, like drawn

502
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.159
down at the front gage. It's
like, oh so, I was like,

503
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:46.400
all right, we could still do
this, but we're gonna have to

504
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:52.679
get creative. This is the base
where there were Senegalice commandos, right yeah,

505
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.800
yeah, yeah yeah, work in
the guard towers, and you guys

506
00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.960
had to do like because the bad
guys found out pretty quickly you were in

507
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.800
town. So you had to do
like a little false extraction, a little

508
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.519
a little game, play a little
game on them to make that we called

509
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.559
it. We said, hey,
we're gonna do We're to pull the pieces

510
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.599
from the vicks the park parking round
back when calling the helo. We're gonna

511
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.119
have our headlamps on, you know, as the sun goes down there to

512
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.840
jump on the heros. It's gonna
dust as soon as it starts the dust

513
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.760
off. We're just gonna jump back
out and run around nightfall getting the vix

514
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.920
and then go stage towards the back
of the gate where there's a back gate

515
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:37.559
of about and so you spent the
next period of day daylight basically just chilling

516
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:42.599
smoking cigarettes, uh, and then
head out that night to go do the

517
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.480
op and how does how does it
transpire? Yeah? Man, it's just

518
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:54.239
like it was so frustrating because yeah, granted I was in Jaysock and even

519
00:37:54.280 --> 00:38:00.599
at stil Team five, the missions
were like some are easy, but some

520
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:02.800
are legit, right, So we
got to get in here him if you

521
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.639
go through this alleyway like for a
Raq or you know, Afghanistan's like,

522
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.800
hey, this village has a high
point and there's no way up to it

523
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.199
but walking up and they have the
high ground, like really difficult targets as

524
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.280
far as planning and you know,
primary secondary trisuer. How are we going

525
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.800
to do this? These were so
fucking shit simple. It was like he's

526
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:27.400
right there, like give me one
of those David and Goliath's things. I

527
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.400
can get him from the gate.
You know, like what are we doing?

528
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:36.159
We're getting spun up final walkthroughs.
Everyone's locked a loaded boom set,

529
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:39.000
phone can togain and I'm like,
okay, that's that's it, dude,

530
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:43.719
What the fuck's going on? I
mean, did you ever get an inkling

531
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:45.880
of like what was going on?
You guys kept getting spun up and then

532
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:54.920
spun down. It's hard because I
know why now right, So it's like,

533
00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:02.440
how do I separate that that that
bias of knowing. I think there

534
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:10.599
was more people who knew what was
going on that then had led on and

535
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:19.760
come to find out it was that
so well, my first thought was like,

536
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.239
okay, either this guy we're going
after is actually a source that one

537
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:29.199
of our guys are working, our
guys being us GOV and he's got don't

538
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.360
touch him on it. He's like, okay, maybe that I didn't know.

539
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.320
I think I wasn't thinking clearly because
I was just so frustrated. I'm

540
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.840
not coming out of here. This
is ridiculous. And you did find out

541
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:46.079
a little bit more because you went
back to the to the UAE again not

542
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.480
to do uh, not doing ops
or anything, but to do strictly training

543
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:54.400
of their special ops guys. And
in your book you talk about running into

544
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:59.239
some of your former teammates there who
were able to shed some light on what

545
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:05.119
was going on. Yeah, so
they actually did sign off on the six

546
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.920
month course. They're like, Okay, that sounds good, let's do it

547
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:13.960
great, put a team together,
go back over. Everyone's happy and we're

548
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:20.519
doing CQC on on their basis.
And there's multiple houses and I was gone

549
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.760
one day and someone like, hey
man, there's some dudes out here with

550
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:30.079
like fucking cries and in HK four
sixteens and quad nods. I'm like,

551
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.119
eh, whatever, because there's Aussies
and Brits, Like, like I said,

552
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:36.880
everything is fucking outsourced in the country, right, So I was like

553
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.599
I didn't think much of it.
And then the next night I see two

554
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:43.119
dudes. I'm like, you know, it's on night vision, but I've

555
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.000
seen them enough. I'm like,
yo, is that you? And they're

556
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:50.519
like, Derry, what are you
doing here? Like, what are you

557
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.480
doing here? What are you doing
here? And then it was like,

558
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:59.199
okay, you and your boss need
to come meet with us in my boss

559
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:05.440
tomorrow at the hotel lobby. Okay, And yeah we met with them and

560
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:12.599
they were like, yeah, dude, we heard about you guys, and

561
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.559
there's you guys. Obviously a Blue
Force tracker and as we all know,

562
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:21.440
certain people don't share information with other
people even though we're on the same team.

563
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:27.360
But there was someone that was able
to bridge the gap enough to be

564
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:35.679
like, this could go wrong,
and you guys did a kinetic strike with

565
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.519
the platform in the sky in this
area because we think a group is a

566
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:45.280
group of amorties with advisors are going
to be in that area, and I

567
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:50.719
think to make it just totally safe, they just called them both sides and

568
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:55.960
said, yeah, before you have
a real confliction issue on target, that

569
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:59.360
would have been it wouldn't have been
a confliction, it would have been a

570
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:06.880
health fire. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean, based on you know what

571
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.480
you know now, I mean,
do you think that your client ultimately was

572
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.760
working for the United States government and
that's what was going on here in the

573
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:20.239
left hand wasn't talking to the right
I mean I think we both know the

574
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.400
left and right hand rarely of your
talk, and it happens more often than

575
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:30.079
not. Yeah, well they think
about Yemen was a proxy war. Right,

576
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:38.840
it's the UAE, Saudi and US
versus Quitar and Iran. Right,

577
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:43.760
there's like those are like the little
groups of friends that are fighting in the

578
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:52.280
shitty playground that is Yemen. Right. Yeah, so you finished that contract

579
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:58.960
and uh Malachai has something else for
you. Yeah. So he's like,

580
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:00.360
you know, you gotta check this
place us out. This is easy,

581
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.599
this isn't even work. We just
need some dirt on a financier, bad

582
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.480
guy who lives in Serbia. We're
gonna love Serbia. And I was like,

583
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.719
I can get dirt on somebody,
right. And I've been you know,

584
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:17.119
I've been to places who I don't
want to die in any one group

585
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:22.599
out. I've seen people who call
themselves very religious in other countries, sure

586
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.920
doing things they say they know they
should never do. And then they're The

587
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:29.920
response was, well, my God
cannot see into bat Rain, right,

588
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:34.480
so that's why I do what I
do. Right. Apparently your God can't

589
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.760
see in this country, so drink
all the boos you want. So I

590
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:42.480
was like, Okay, I know
that there's a possibility that that this might

591
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:44.960
be easy, right, Like,
oh, I don't need to be so

592
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.079
like hell if I'm not in my
homeland and no one's gonna tell me,

593
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.679
and I have all this money,
and you're also not having to worry about

594
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:58.159
getting shot at or below open.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going into

595
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.119
country with anything, not even a
huge you know, one hundred and twenty

596
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:07.000
millimeter lens. Ready, I'm just
hanging out. So I go and you

597
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.760
know, trying to find my guy. You know, see if he's in

598
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:15.199
the prostitute, see if he's doing
drugs. Can you tell us about meeting

599
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:21.800
the biggest, the largest, most
prolific madam in oh yeah, Serbia or

600
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:30.039
the Bulkans? Yeah yeah, oh
yeah? So am I okay, let's

601
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:34.239
go mark one motto, what's the
easiest thing. Let's go with girls,

602
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:40.199
because he like he is, he
solictic prostitutes. Right, So I make

603
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:44.320
friends with the guy. He happens
to be a big time Hill's angel in

604
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:49.719
the in Serbia, and I said, hey, who runs all the girls

605
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:51.920
here? I was thinking it was
gonna be like a you know, a

606
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:57.159
dude, like a big you know
Drexel temp from True Romance, you know

607
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:01.679
what I mean. And he's like, oh, you want to meet Sonya.

608
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.119
I'm like Sonya. He's like yeah, dude, it's a chick.

609
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:09.000
And she's she's like she runs everything. And I'm like, no, ship,

610
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.360
and you can't just go up and
talk to her, right. He's

611
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.679
like, I'm like, can you
get me a meeting with her? He's

612
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.519
like, yeah, I can get
you a meeting. So we meet up

613
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:25.159
in a hotel lobby and she's got
like but she's built like Jessica Rabbit and

614
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:31.559
she's wearing like clothes to no clothes, you know, si hi bluebiton leather,

615
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:36.360
high hill stiletto boots and the smoking
glove and everything. And I was

616
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.800
like, oh, she's like straight
up, straight up comic book character,

617
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.360
out of control. I'm like,
okay, you know. I said,

618
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.280
hey, this is what I'm looking
for. Here's here's the guy i'm looking

619
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:54.239
for. You know. Does he
use any of you or your girl's services?

620
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:59.679
And she's like no. I'm like
are you She was yes, I

621
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.400
try and they gave him good prices
and he still said, fuck, maybe

622
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:10.320
this guy is pretty, you know
bean cut. And so the search continued,

623
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.519
Did you ever end up finding anything
on the guy before things went south?

624
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:24.400
No, man, because because it
wasn't on a timeline and I had

625
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:27.920
no need to push it. It
had no need to like we was going

626
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.119
to break into some of the house
and serve it. I was there was

627
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.280
no need to commit any crime or
be in the gray area or have to

628
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.199
come up with cover for action to
cover for status, like oh I was

629
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:42.400
doing this and yeah. So I
was like, here's the thing. If

630
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:50.119
the big agencies that do this ship
take six months to years to even build

631
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:54.519
rapport to flip a taxi driver,
right, so that's how long this shit

632
00:46:54.760 --> 00:47:00.280
really takes. Sometimes I've gotten ship
done in bucking weeks and that's crazy fast,

633
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:06.920
borderline dangerous, super fucking dangerous.
But I was like, okay,

634
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.599
don't rush it, don't rush it. But yeah, I was just settled,

635
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.519
settled in for the long game,
and just I was just gonna keep

636
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:20.440
trying to get closer and closer.
So tell us how you came into the

637
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.519
orbit of this guy, I think
his name was Nikolai and things start to

638
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:28.119
go sideways on this job. Yeah, so I was hanging out with his

639
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:34.239
check and nikola was hanging out with
her friend and connected kid went to school

640
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:40.840
Boston College, super smart, well
to do, knows everyone, and he

641
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.239
started showing me, you know,
his young guy. He's like showing me

642
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.880
all these chicks, you know,
and showed me this one chick on his

643
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:52.320
phone and I'm like there was an
office with the company logo in the background.

644
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.679
I'm like, you know what that
is. It's like, yeah,

645
00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.159
she works there. She's like the
main assistant there. And I'm like,

646
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:01.079
oh, that's when my guy works. I didn't tell him that, but

647
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:05.079
that's when my guy works. I
said, Oh, I'm like, dude,

648
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.280
you should have a party and like
rite over a bunch of chicks.

649
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.719
He's like yeah, and like make
sure she comes. She's cute, right,

650
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.639
He's like really, I'm like just
invited. Right. So I'm like,

651
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:16.440
okay, boom, there was a
reason I'm gonna get closer. He

652
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:21.119
knows someone that works at the place. Like fuck we get something like I'm

653
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.559
I'm getting a little desperate. So
yeah, that's how Nicola came into the

654
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:30.440
picture. And then what happened when
when uh, the Serbian police come kicking

655
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:36.960
in the door. So Nicolas like, hey, we'll start cooking dinner.

656
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.400
He's got all the Rakia, the
Serbian national beverage and choice, and you

657
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:45.000
know, we're hanging out and he's
like, makes a phone call about six

658
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:50.400
o'clock in the afternoon, said some
shitt in Serbian at the time. I

659
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.679
didn't know any Serbian. He's like, hey, man, I gotta I

660
00:48:52.719 --> 00:49:00.199
gotta jet out. I'll be right
back, okay, just hanging out up

661
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.320
some vegetables for the fucking steward making, put on a TV. And then

662
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.800
all of a sudden, and all
of a sudden, I'm forty five minutes

663
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.440
later, I hear the door open, I see Nicol and just get fucking

664
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:15.280
just like fly across the room and
slam into the wall, go to the

665
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.119
crowd. I'm like, what the
fuck? And then I like, as

666
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:23.199
soon as I turn my head,
I see thinking about it now, it

667
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:27.400
felt like it was this big,
just a nine millimeter barrel, like right

668
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:32.199
in my fucking temple, and I'm
like, what the fuck. And I

669
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:36.000
try to like zoom out, you
know, like not focus on the fucking

670
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:40.679
gun. And I see they look
like police uniforms, but like you would

671
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:45.440
buy from party city, like you
look like it look fake. It's like

672
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.119
is this is this some kind of
fucking weird joke Nicholas doing on me,

673
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.800
Like what the fuck? And then
I was like, oh shit. And

674
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.239
then I kind of zoom out again
and looked up and I see this kid,

675
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.840
he can't be more than twenty one
years old. He's like sweating,

676
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.440
his eyes are the biggest saucers,
and this gun's rattling. I can hear

677
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:05.840
the springs in the magazine and his
fingers on the trigger, and I'm like,

678
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:07.760
oh my fucking god. Like,
so he's not like this, not

679
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:12.039
after all the shit we've done.
So I was just like, you know,

680
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:14.960
I'm getting yelled at and serbian,
and I'm like, okay, I

681
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.960
don't know Serbian, but I think
putting my hands up slowly is probably like

682
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:21.800
the best thing to do right now. So I just saw that, put

683
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.280
my hands on the boom, on
the ground, facing the ground, fucking

684
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:30.039
the handcuffed, and I'm just like, Jesus fuck. So they start feeling

685
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:34.880
me fucking Then I just hear this
god awful wail of a banging, like

686
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:40.039
just fucking crying. And then this
this old woman who's a little bit heavier,

687
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:44.920
said like falls to the floor and
she's bawling. It's Nikola's mom,

688
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:46.519
who lives on the first floor.
We're on the fourth. She comes in

689
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:52.280
her son's getting arrested. So she's
just like just like falling over, like

690
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:54.199
knocking plates off the table, like, oh my god. The cop.

691
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:57.480
You're like, what the fuck?
Get her out of there. And I'm

692
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.239
like, dude, what is going
on? What like what happened? You

693
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.119
know? And Nikola looks at me, he just winks. I'm like,

694
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.440
dude, what, I don't know
what that means? What do you mean

695
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:13.599
handcuff? You know what? Yeah? And so the poor cops are in

696
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.800
there, they're going through his house. The kids are hunters, so they

697
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:22.079
have all these guns in his house. They're all registered. And then finally

698
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.280
I'm just tired of getting yelled at
and Serbian. I'm like, Yo,

699
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:28.880
does anyone here speak English? Like, oh, American? I'm like,

700
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.760
yeah, why are you here?
I'm like, I'm here for a fucking

701
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.360
party? Why are you in Serbia? I now? Fuck here? We

702
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.760
go like already off to a shitty
start, and I was like, what

703
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:44.000
the fuck does that matter? Like
you like guns, I'm like as much

704
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.360
as the next guy, Like what
are you? What's going on? Is

705
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:51.400
your passport here? Like, yeah, right here? You know I didn't

706
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:52.719
grab it as an handcuffy on my
back, but I'm like, yeah,

707
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.480
it's here. They take my passport, flip through it, and they're like

708
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:02.239
more and more talking, more searching. Am I under arrest? They're like

709
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:06.800
you are? Now, I'm like
what because I asked? Like he was

710
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:12.400
completely fucking crazy. And then we
get thrown into a paddy wagon. I

711
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:19.719
get thrown to a cop car and
we drive to the jail and proceeded be

712
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.119
interrogated for a couple of days,
and thus begins your odyssey through the Serbian

713
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:32.519
justice system. Oh yeah, so
you start getting interrogated by the cops.

714
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:37.280
They pull some good cop bad cop
on you. Well, but the good

715
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:44.960
Cup was actually pretty fucking good.
Yeah at one point. So one of

716
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:50.719
the big takeaways was, like my
second or third interrogation, the good Cup,

717
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:53.480
right, we'll call him I made
friend. We'll say I made friends

718
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:58.519
with him. Pull me out of
my cell. I'm like laying on the

719
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.599
floor because the bench isn't long enough
to lay down on, it's fucking cold

720
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:05.800
on my fuck tired whatever. Be
called up and he's like, hey,

721
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.360
these two cops are with organized crime. I'm like organized crime, Like,

722
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:13.000
yo, what the fuck? They're
like, yeah, you, Nicola and

723
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.360
the two other guys. That's four
people. I'm like, who are the

724
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:16.840
two other guys? What are you
talking about? Like, oh yeah,

725
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:21.559
when Nicola was arrested, he was
rested with two other dudes. I'm like,

726
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:23.159
I have a fucking clue. I
don't even know who these guys are.

727
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.880
Yep, well that's more than three
people organized crime. I'm like,

728
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:31.679
god damn. So now I'm like
getting the interrogation from these guys was so

729
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:37.840
bad. There was their bolts sitting
across from me, trying to talk over

730
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.079
each other in Serbian, and then
the good cop was trying to translate for

731
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:45.880
both of them, and I was
like, I told the good cop,

732
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:47.480
I said, tell them, one
should sit behind me with no pad,

733
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:52.440
one should ask questions, one should
take notes, and then they should switch.

734
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.239
He's like, I don't think they're
gonna like your advice, because I

735
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.880
was getting frustrated. I'm like,
that's not how you do this. I

736
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.480
can show you how to do that. And then at one point they say

737
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:07.679
they they said something to the good
cop. The good cop translated goes,

738
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:12.199
hey, they want to know if
you will to take a light attacker test.

739
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:19.360
My first thought was like for what
right? And as soon as he

740
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.920
said that, he kind of bladed
his back. He turned the back to

741
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.679
the other the two cops that were
for an organized crime, and he whispered

742
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:29.440
real quietly. He's like, just
say no. It's like, yeah,

743
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:30.599
say no, don't do that.
I was like no, He's like yeah,

744
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:37.480
he said no, We're done here. So the good cop we got

745
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.280
interrogated again. He was like,
hey, are you here to kill vouch?

746
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:44.719
And I'm like, I don't know
what a vouch is, but I

747
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:47.800
know enough Russian. I'm like,
a vuk is like a wolf. And

748
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:51.519
they're like, no, the fucking
president of our country. I'm like no,

749
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.639
I didn't know his fucking name.
And they're like Dda, no,

750
00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.760
Cia, no, Massa, No, you're just a dude. Yep,

751
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:07.159
what are you for? I'm a
private contractor? Oh you are? Yeah?

752
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.480
Was your back with Navy seal?
Ooh Navy seal? I'm not American

753
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:14.800
military. You guys bomb Kosovo?
Right? So then like spinning your head,

754
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.519
I'm like, oh my god.
And he's like, look, man,

755
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:20.440
I believe you that you were You're
not here to kill our president.

756
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:27.559
But I will tell you this.
The newspapers already believe you, so be

757
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:31.000
ready. And boy was he right? Yeah? Yeah, I mean we

758
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:35.679
should mention like while all of this
is happening. I mean, this hit

759
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.039
it obviously all over the news in
Serbia, but all I mean it hit

760
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:42.320
the press here in the United States
too. Ex Navy seal arrested with a

761
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.119
gun in Serbia with a gun,
which I just hate that headline. I

762
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:49.639
was, I was arrested forty kilometers
away from a gun. But whatever.

763
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.079
Yeah, yeah, well, we'll
tell us, tell us a little bit

764
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:57.800
about like as this starts to progress, you're in prison or you're in jail.

765
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.719
You know, you're quickly discovering that
you don't have the right to a

766
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:08.599
fair and speedy trial in this country. How how do you know? Tell

767
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.760
us about how like the gun comes
into it, and how like you start

768
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.760
to your arbiture opens up a little
bit and you start to understand, you

769
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:21.679
know, what's happening to you.
All right, So here's what had happened.

770
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.920
It took me fucking over a week
to find this out. Nikola had

771
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:30.239
called someone to buy cocaine. Does
you want to have a good time with

772
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:35.679
the girls. Whatever, don't care. The guy he went to buy who

773
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:45.119
came from that guy's dad was arrested
a month before for selling cocaine. Cops

774
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:52.400
were listening to this kid's phone.
What do drug dealers have on them for

775
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:58.480
protection? They have guns on them
for protection. Right, So there's drugs,

776
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.239
there's guns, and there's another guy, the cocaine deller's friend, I

777
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:07.440
don't think right, So that that
goes down in some other I forget the

778
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.480
name of the city they were at
while I was at the apartment, and

779
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:15.440
then Nicola comes back. They're like, there's an American guy here. Oh,

780
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.719
he used to be a seal.
He's a private contractor. Oh and

781
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.159
the guy whose house he was at
he had a gun or he was in

782
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.159
the vicinity of a gun that was
for him. I'm like, Okay,

783
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:28.920
this is fucking bananas. So I
wasn't even stressed. I was like,

784
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:35.840
I know not every country has a
perfect legal system, but this sounded so

785
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:40.840
weak that when we made our so
right after, right after the four days

786
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.400
of interrogation or whatever, we went
to the courthouse and we had to make

787
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.400
statements. I'm like, I don't
know what the is going on. She's

788
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:51.719
like, Judge, there's like,
there was a gun, there's drugs,

789
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.440
there's four people. You're in next
seal. You're an American. We don't

790
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.480
know what's going on either. You're
all going to go to jail. Tell

791
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.320
we figured this out, okay.
And that's when lawyers started coming in.

792
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.280
He's like, look, dude,
this is what the fuck's going on.

793
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:07.079
I said, it's all fucking bullshit, right, yeah, but this is

794
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:15.320
Serbia and you're American, so it's
gonna suck. And meanwhile, the gun

795
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.039
comes back with your DNA on it. They're telling you, oh yeah,

796
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:22.360
oh yeah, well, I mean
when that was being interrogated, I don't

797
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.320
know how many cotton swabs they stuck
into my cheeks to get as many samples

798
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:30.639
as they need. And so at
this point it sounds like you're rightly fucked,

799
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.760
right, Oh I'm fucked. I'm
totally fucked. Yeah, I'm like,

800
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.119
this is it. I'm like,
okay, I started asking about because

801
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:43.639
where I was Cintroni's out for cz
Is. It's a jail, but it's

802
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.639
a prison. You know, there's
no a seed. It's built pre World

803
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:52.199
War two. Fucking bed bugs.
Fuck, it just sucks and you know,

804
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:54.239
you're in your room twenty two hours
a day. You know, the

805
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:58.159
food you just have a bowl.
The food guy with the cart comes by

806
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:00.199
and puts a spoon in. He
gives you whatever colored water for the day

807
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.880
they call soup, but there's no
fucking it's just water. But it's green,

808
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.280
yellow, red, or fucking clear. Right, it's just fucking garbage.

809
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:13.440
So you're there and like, you
know, there's other inmates in there

810
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:15.079
and shit, and I started,
you know, make some friends whenever,

811
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.760
and I started asking about like what
methro beats is like the actual big prison

812
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.960
after you get sentenced, I'm like
really like, hey, can you go

813
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.599
outside going runs? Is there like
a weight room. I'm like, I'm

814
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:30.360
fucked. And I like almost immediately
was like, yeah, well i'll fight

815
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:35.639
it, but I'm ready. I'm
ready to like for it to suck.

816
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.599
Yeah. Yeah. And I And
meanwhile, you're stuck in the joint with

817
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:42.679
you know, a guy who killed
his wife with a hammer. Oh my

818
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.159
god, dude. So the first
room they put me in, they put

819
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.079
me in a special room where you
only get thirty minutes a day on the

820
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:52.320
walk instead of two hours. And
it's with your own room, right,

821
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.199
because there's like, well, the
one kid was like a twenty two year

822
00:59:55.239 --> 01:00:00.639
old Huligan, and Houligan's in the
Balkans in that side of Europe are more

823
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:04.480
than just like football fans, like
they got their fingers and everything. This

824
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.440
kid was Croatian and had like went
to the Serbiene game and beat the fuck

825
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:10.599
out of someone, and like he
wrote a little manifesto and they found that

826
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:14.960
in his fucking hotel, So he's
a terrorist. And then there was a

827
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:20.039
dude who's a professional like kidnapping ransom
guy. And then there was the last

828
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:28.559
dude. This this dude that's not
funny. This guy, his wife was

829
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:34.079
murdered to death by a hammer while
she was out jogging. And when they

830
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:37.639
went to his house that he shared
with his mom and dad, the whole

831
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:42.199
thing had just been doused, like
completely fucking doused and clean with bleach.

832
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:46.159
Like come on, bro, like
what are you doing here? So I've

833
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:49.639
been there with a guy who beat
the fuck out his wife with a hammer

834
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:52.480
until she died in the middle of
a field while she was jogging. So

835
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.199
I was fucking great. You know, I go in there, I'm like

836
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.559
okay, okay, like take off
my human man and just be a fucking

837
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.800
monster. So recon dudes right,
like, I'm in prison. This guy

838
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:07.280
killed his wife with the fucking hammer, like I'm not going to be victim

839
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:12.800
too. And then I quickly found
out that was not the vibe in there.

840
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.639
The vibe is pretty much us verst
than us being the prisoners, them

841
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:20.840
being the whole system. It was
really funny because I mean, I think

842
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:23.920
the prisoner's name was Luca, who
this charge against him was that he was

843
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:29.239
the President's personal hit man. Yeah, and he actually, you guys kind

844
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:32.199
of befriended one another. Yeah.
So I was in that first room,

845
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:37.199
the special room, until you know, it was just bad. The guy

846
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.679
who hammer murdered his wife, him
and the Croati kid to stay up all

847
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:45.239
night and you each have like razor
blade cut with the penn ink tattoos in

848
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:49.880
their arm, and they'd write this
manifesto and take fucking you know, and

849
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.199
the Serbian jail was like pinks,
blues, yellows, whites, all different

850
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:59.519
types of pills handed out from staff
and traded amongst, like you know,

851
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:04.639
amongst the prisoners. They'd take drugs, sleep all day and then up all

852
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.920
night, righting the manifesto and we
had this little a MF and radio.

853
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.840
He'd hang from his rack with springs
above his rack, which is the springs

854
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:15.159
to my bed. It was like, I think it was like night five

855
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:17.960
of like damn near zero sleep.
I just reached him under, grabbed his

856
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.440
radio and smashed it on the ground
and uh, like fuck it, it's

857
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.400
on, and he just kind of
rolled over and fucking cried. But I

858
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:28.840
didn't know. For one, I
didn't know it takes like five months to

859
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:32.519
get that approved to get a rating, So turn your fucking shit off,

860
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:37.159
you don't want it broke. But
shortly after that, I got moved to

861
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:42.840
a room and uh, room was
much better. We had professional Killer and

862
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.320
Ozzie who got wrapped up in a
huge cocaine deal like over a mill and

863
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:52.119
cash on him, like fucking massive. And then a junkie, like a

864
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.880
like a token junkie, which is
like in every room you find out you

865
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:02.280
have like one one good junkie.
I'd have one good junkie. Yeah.

866
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:07.880
So meanwhile, you're you're sort of
like pathway through the through the justice system,

867
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:15.039
through the courts is pretty byzantine.
I mean it's like, isn't it

868
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:20.559
like six months before they even charge
you with anything. Damn. So we

869
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:22.440
go in in August. As arrested
in the last day of January. We

870
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.639
go in August, no April,
sorry, going to April to make like

871
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.199
to see if this needs to go
any further. We all go and make

872
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:34.800
statements. The judge says, congratulations, you're very smart. I see that

873
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.280
you did nothing wrong. You're free
to go. Go back, pack up

874
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:40.079
my trash bag because that's the luggage
in jail, is a black trash bag.

875
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.039
And guard's like, nope, leave
that. Lawyers waiting for you,

876
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:50.320
and go to my lawyer and they
say, hey, the judge got a

877
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:55.000
call revenue left and the call was
pretty much that you will be charged with

878
01:03:55.079 --> 01:04:03.000
something, so you're a going nowhere. Okay. I was like, okay,

879
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.320
it's gonna suck. And then one
one other thing that had been happening

880
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:10.440
before I even got there. The
newspapers like, I said, beat me

881
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:14.599
to jail because I was being interrograted, interrogated, and the newspaper said I

882
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:19.679
was already killed the Serbian president and
every prisoner and nine the guards hate the

883
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:27.480
Serbian president. So I was like
getting salutes from people. And then I

884
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.480
was just kind of like I kind
of was like doing the kaiser so saying

885
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.000
like I was not gonna say yeah
I was, but I was kind of

886
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.559
like I have a little bit of
clout, you know what I mean.

887
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:40.199
So I was like, oh man, I can't talk about it. So

888
01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:47.559
it definitely paid plaid in my favorite. So they finally end up charging you,

889
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:51.320
and then you're having to wait,
like it felt like they didn't charge

890
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:57.519
me for eleven months and legally they
have to charge me in six months.

891
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:02.719
And then it's like in between each
court appointment. Oh yeah. So I'm

892
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:08.599
in there and my lawyer and the
embassy who did fucking nothing. The lawyer

893
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:12.320
comes in and he's like, hey, I'll keep visiting you every you know,

894
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:16.199
every month. I'm like, look, motherfucker. I mean that endearingly.

895
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:20.320
The guy's fucking rock star. Well
this was so this happens in April.

896
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.440
Was like, look, I'll keep
checking in with you. Two of

897
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:27.400
the guys who already have house arrest
apparently I didn't know at the time,

898
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.559
so I'll put him for house arrest. I'm like, sweet cool. And

899
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:34.840
then every time my house arrest go
in front of a judge the day before,

900
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:39.280
even though there was no new news. In my case, there'd be

901
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:43.079
a front page hit piece on me
on all the tabloids. It's like,

902
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:46.159
wow, that's really convenient timing that
to come out, and the judge be

903
01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.119
like, oh nope, I'm not
stamping that. It's like, fuck,

904
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:55.639
this sucks. Yep. So then
people just to like point out you alluded

905
01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:00.000
to it briefly, but I've been
to Belgrade before and there's no love lost

906
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:04.159
with America, And if you talk
to any particular Serb, it's only a

907
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:08.519
matter of time before in the conversation
they say, you're not from here,

908
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:12.320
so you don't understand. Let me
explain to you what America did do y

909
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.800
you know, so I can see
that, you know, ex Navy seal

910
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:23.280
and Serbia like the culture is not
predisposed towards Daniel Corbett. Yeah, no,

911
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:27.320
it was. There was definitely some
of that, you know, honestly,

912
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.760
it was more for like the really
old guards, the old guys.

913
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:34.719
Yeah, besides that, I mean, it was no, it was.

914
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:39.559
It wasn't too bad. But and
then the other big break in my case,

915
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:43.559
so nothing was happening, and then
the top defense lawyer in the whole

916
01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:45.960
country was like, I'm going to
take on your case, represent you.

917
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:49.480
And as as soon as that was
like he announced that, I think the

918
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:55.599
next week he was assassinated in the
streets. And that's when everybody was like,

919
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.239
oh, what the fuck is what
is? What is duty into his

920
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:01.400
lawyer's got assassinated. I'm like,
the guards came in, they searched my

921
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:06.320
room, you know, fucking get
naked, spread the cheeks with the nuts,

922
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:11.280
like for the hundredths of time since
my arrest. And I'm like,

923
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:15.800
dude, what like what what?
And then the front page said I'm in

924
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:21.360
Serbian albiat will be in smolk Foka
means lawyer was killed because of seal and

925
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:26.079
my face superimposed next to the blood
on the sidewalk in the front page.

926
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:29.920
And I'm like, my god,
oh bro, I'll just take it heavies.

927
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.199
I'm like, well, that's not
good. His colleague is remained by

928
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:38.599
lawyer who I had been working with
for awesome dude, And like I said,

929
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:43.119
the months went on, He's like, look, dude, there,

930
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:47.199
they haven't charged you, and I'll
keep coming visit you. And I said,

931
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:50.000
dude, don't don't visit me.
Don't fucking come here if you don't

932
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:53.119
have to. I don't give a
fuck, bro, you be you go

933
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.960
be a good lawyer and I'll just
be a good fucking prisoner and when you

934
01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:00.719
have news, I'll come in.
Cool. Cool, well go. So

935
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:04.159
that went on, and then after
like the six month mark, he came

936
01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:06.559
in. I'm like, dude,
are they gonna charge me? He's like

937
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:12.119
yeah, that they haven't. I'm
like, but legally, but they're like

938
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.199
yeah, but since it's organized crime
case or like saying, it could take

939
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:16.840
longer. And I'm like, oh
my god. So like the rules are

940
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.920
there, but I mean, are
they enforced? I didn't see it.

941
01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:26.439
And so when they when they do
finally decide to charge you, what do

942
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:29.680
they charge you with? And what
are those How did those hearings kind of

943
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:35.279
play out over the months that draw? Yeah, so the charges were possession,

944
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:45.279
possession and possession of buying and selling
of firearms and explosives and explosives and

945
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:46.640
it's like what, like, oh, bullets and there was no bullets,

946
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.359
Like what are you talking about?
So they were just like what hit me?

947
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:53.600
Throwing this guy? So yeah,
that was that's that. I think

948
01:08:53.680 --> 01:09:00.479
that was the official charges was possession
and intent to sell firearms, And I

949
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:06.800
said, okay, so we got
We officially got charged in November after being

950
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:15.840
arrested in January, we got charged
and then within days because now I'm like

951
01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:17.560
learning the court systems. I was
in with that, you know, professional

952
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:21.359
killer and all these other guys,
and there's nothing. There's nothing fucking to

953
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:25.319
do in jail. So someone goes
to court with from's back. You're like,

954
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:28.560
what happened? What's going on?
Who should judge? Oh? I

955
01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:30.920
heard that? One's cool, Like
you know, that's that's it, that's

956
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.439
all you have to talk about.
And they're like, yeah, you have

957
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:39.840
a you've been charged. You're gonna
get a judge. Like two days a

958
01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:44.800
month goes by meybe with my lawyer. Nobody wants to take my case.

959
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:48.000
No judge wants it because there's no
jury in Serbia. It's just one person

960
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:53.159
who makes a decision, right,
So I'm like, what's going on.

961
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:58.359
They're like, look from you know, someone who took a note to be

962
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:02.399
a judge. There's no evidence against
you. Everyone is saying Dan didn't have

963
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:10.039
a gun, it's my gun whatever. But the Minister of Defense said,

964
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:14.760
quoted in newspapers, like oh,
he wasn't here to shoot fish in the

965
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.920
Danube River with that gun he had
on him something to that effect. So

966
01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:23.159
now to be a judge or stuck
in this rock between a rock and a

967
01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:27.640
heart face of if I do my
fucking job, this kid's gonna walk.

968
01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:34.000
But if he walks, I'm pissing
off my damn near totulitarian dictatorish government that

969
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:43.600
may or may not have smoked your
defense attorney. Yeah. Yeah. So

970
01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:46.000
I was like, so a young, a young female judge took the case,

971
01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:49.239
and you know, when lawyer came
and book the news to me,

972
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:53.800
he's like, Daniel, we have
a judge. And I'm like, oh

973
01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:57.279
yeah, And he was like,
but there's some bad news. I'm like,

974
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:00.840
dude, fucking charge me, put
me in jail, and said like,

975
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:01.760
let's go. I've been here in
a year, Like you can't be

976
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.600
scared for a year, Like,
let's fucking go, I don't care anymore,

977
01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:09.840
or you can't be nervous that long. He's like, yeah, but

978
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.479
it's bad. I'm like why He's
like because it's a woman. I'm like,

979
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:15.399
what the Like, you know,
that's super sexist, but like,

980
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:16.680
what does it have to do with
any thing? Like because there's a gun

981
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:18.840
involved in chicks? Out, no
guns. I'm like, who gives a

982
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:23.840
fuck, bro, I'm just happy
we're gonna judge. And a month after

983
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:28.560
that and the following January was my
first court date. And the way court

984
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:32.960
works there, it was fucking bizarre. Because I've seen TV shows or even

985
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:38.199
watch like when there's like a big
file on start court fourteen days later,

986
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:45.479
right, maybe a little longer,
shorter, boom boom boom done. I

987
01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:49.239
had no idea that wasn't the case. We walk in and like the first

988
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:54.600
court court date was like what's your
name? What's your day to birth?

989
01:11:57.119 --> 01:12:00.880
Gabbles out. I'm like, okay, what back tomorrow for ten more days?

990
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:02.039
And they're like, no, no, your next court your next court

991
01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:04.760
day is in a month. I
said, wait what, Like, oh

992
01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:11.760
yeah, each each part of the
court process is one day, and those

993
01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:15.159
are separated by a month each.
I might hold out. So you're saying,

994
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:20.439
like opening statements, examination, pross
examination, prosecution side, yep,

995
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:27.079
those are all separate one day increments
spaced one month apartment. I said,

996
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:31.199
oh my fucking god, dude,
this is gonna be brutal. So we

997
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:35.119
did the first, first one,
I think the second or third court date.

998
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:41.119
I walked in. You know,
we were gonna get started. Boo.

999
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:45.520
Court's over. What's going on?
There's no translator. I'm like,

1000
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:49.000
dude to my lawyer, like you
speak better English than any translator they've given

1001
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:53.439
me. Like they did not give
me good translators, right, So I'm

1002
01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:56.520
like, what, nope, we
can't continue. Then back in the fucking

1003
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:01.760
patty wagon. Back to jail and
we look about total six months to get

1004
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:08.359
through my court case. And tell
us about that last hearing that you had

1005
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:14.880
where the judge uh weighed in finally. Yeah, so my second to last

1006
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:18.279
appearance in court was like closing statements
and then she's like, yo, next

1007
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:23.880
week verdict. I was like,
oh shoot, like not a month seven

1008
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:27.079
days, Like that's that's quit.
That's the only that was the only time

1009
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:30.840
it wasn't a month in between.
So we go, we show up and

1010
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:34.800
of course I get the worst,
the worst translator I've ever gotten. I'm

1011
01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:38.680
like, fuck on all days,
like you the you be you like,

1012
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:41.840
and she's like trying her best,
and she's like, you know, little

1013
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.239
timid woman. I'm like, try
not to be a dick. I'm like,

1014
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.840
okay, thank you for trying.
What I'm was like, fuck God,

1015
01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:55.520
damn. So, you know,
all the three guys stand up one

1016
01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:59.920
by one and she reads that you
were accused of you know, house or

1017
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.800
so time served six more months in
jail, blah blah. To me,

1018
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:09.680
she's like, stand up, I
stand up. You you know you told

1019
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:13.920
your friend to buy you a gun
and their bullets and firearms explosion. She

1020
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:18.600
reads the whole shit, and then
at the end, the translator looks at

1021
01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:23.119
me. She's like, you can
go. I go, okay, Like

1022
01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:26.199
what does that mean? Like,
under what circumstances can I go? Because

1023
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:32.840
I was I was willing to bet
almost everything that the judge was going to

1024
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:41.399
say to make everybody happy, we
find you guilty, and your sentence was

1025
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:45.920
time served. You're free to go, right, so the last sentence of

1026
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.159
it would be the same. So
when she goes you're free to go,

1027
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:54.840
like under what circumstances, She's like, you're innocent, It's okay, good

1028
01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:58.920
And then the judge goes. Then
the judge addresses me directly in perfect English,

1029
01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:01.479
and this whole the whole, through
the whole process, we've been flirting

1030
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:04.239
back and forth, me and the
judge, which is bananas, but it

1031
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:11.600
worked. I guess she she goes, look, I'm sorry this happened to

1032
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:15.880
you. I hope you don't think
poorly about Serbia now. And you know

1033
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:23.000
the state has to pay for all
of your legal fees and restitution, missed

1034
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:28.119
wages and you know, damages.
And I was like, okay, but

1035
01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:30.840
first you have to go back to
jail, get your ship, and then

1036
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:33.880
go to the immigration office because your
visa has expired. I'm like, yeah,

1037
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:39.800
no shit, it's fucking inspiring.
Come one months. Yeah, you're

1038
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:43.439
going to jail for being illegal?
What are the what are the like more

1039
01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:45.760
Kafka esque moments and all of this
was you talk about when you go to

1040
01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:49.720
customs and they're like looking at your
passport, like your passport's expired? Why

1041
01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:54.399
have you been here so long?
I was like, I was like,

1042
01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:57.640
it's like, hey, you have
you have to leave the country like in

1043
01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:00.359
two days, Like what sports expired. I'm like, I don't think.

1044
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:04.359
I don't think time should be counted
against me for the eighteen months I was

1045
01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:10.760
falsely incarcerated, so I think I
still have another like seventeen days. And

1046
01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:15.359
the guy was just like he was
like not having it, and then his

1047
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:18.920
like superior overheard walked in He's like, how does seven days sound. I

1048
01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:23.159
was like, fucking soul, I
was still leaving him three days. I

1049
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:29.039
just I just didn't give a fuck
anymore. So you close things out in

1050
01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:32.760
Serbia and head back to the US
of a wake up with your family.

1051
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:34.920
I mean, what's what's it?
I mean, you talk a little bit

1052
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:40.520
about what it's like bouncing back and
forth between you know, jobs overseas and

1053
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.600
then coming back home, and it's
always a little jarring. But I mean,

1054
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.600
I gotta think, especially this time
after eighteen months in Serbian prison.

1055
01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:50.920
Yeah, I mean, I mean, it wasn't Mandela locked up for twenty

1056
01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:56.840
years, but there was definitely like
some some changes you could notice, you

1057
01:16:56.880 --> 01:16:58.960
know, mom, dad and brother
and mom dad, brother, like what's

1058
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:00.840
that? Guys love you? And
then they'd go ham my brother's house and

1059
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:04.880
he opened up his TV and all
these like little bubbles on the bottom with

1060
01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:08.000
like Netflix, Hulu, and I'm
like, what is all this? Like,

1061
01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:10.640
yeah, you don't have TV anymore. You just cook these and like

1062
01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:14.119
what like so like all the subscription
stuff and all the movies I missed,

1063
01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:15.960
like, oh you haven't seen this
one. They haven't seen Spider Man,

1064
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:18.159
fucking whatever. I'm like, no, I haven't seen shit. Brob's a

1065
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:24.199
fucking prison in Serbia. Fuck you
know. It's like, I'm pretty good

1066
01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:28.000
at chess, you know, that's
it. So I had to catch up

1067
01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:32.840
on a lot. It's hard,
you know, if anyone who's ever deployed

1068
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:35.800
out there. In my mind,
mom and dad are thirty, Grandma and

1069
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:39.960
grandpa are fifty, and no one
ever ages and changes, and then you

1070
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.000
then, you know, we wake
up one day and I'm forty. You

1071
01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:45.359
know, Grandpa passed away. Mom
and dads are in the in your fucking

1072
01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:48.039
sixties, you're like, oh for
like, you know, late fifties,

1073
01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:53.880
You're like, oh shit, Like
time keeps moving. And I think guys

1074
01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:59.840
that go away deploy often and come
back. You're there are two separate worlds,

1075
01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:01.319
and that one kind of pauses when
you leave it, and then you

1076
01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:05.159
come back. It's like, oh
shit, you got married, Oh but

1077
01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:11.359
you have a kid. Like it's
hard to fathom that other people's lives keep

1078
01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:15.079
going yeah yeah while you're away.
And I know that sounds egocentric, and

1079
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:17.359
it's not based on oh I'm not
there so things can't happen. It's just

1080
01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:21.039
you don't realize it. It's your
last image. It kind of like locks

1081
01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:25.239
in place, you know, Like
guys who I was in the army with

1082
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:29.399
that I haven't seen in like fifteen
twenty years. There's still eighteen year old

1083
01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:34.079
kids to me exactly. Yeah.
So do you know if anything happened to

1084
01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:40.640
that judge as a result of her
judgment. I don't think so. I

1085
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:48.520
think she did the right thing.
Yeah. And also so Serbia's very interesting

1086
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:54.680
political geopolitical spot because it sits kind
of in the middle. Montenegro just joined

1087
01:18:54.760 --> 01:19:00.640
NATO and then Russia's on the other
side, so they're like, okay,

1088
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:06.760
there was some talk that wanted to
do EU or NATO. But the number

1089
01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:11.239
one thing, because there's an actual
checklist, like an application to get into

1090
01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:15.000
those things, the number one thing
at the very top is corruption. So

1091
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.640
if there's like a case where a
guy's totally innocent and you try to indict

1092
01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:23.359
him or you try to charge him, even even still, we were going

1093
01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:29.560
to go to the International Court in
the Stuttgarten or wherever the fuck Hey yeah,

1094
01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:32.039
hey be like hey, or Strasburg. Sorry, there's the hagens on

1095
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:34.600
Strausburg. We're gonna go to Strasburg. You'd be like, no, so

1096
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:40.000
that would have been a big black
mark on them with their with their application.

1097
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:43.960
But I'm sure he's not now and
that he's he's he sits on you

1098
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:45.880
know, he's like, hey,
ankle a mercle, you're amazing, and

1099
01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:48.439
he's like Putin, you know,
like yeah, so he kind of sits

1100
01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:54.520
in a weird two well, pointing
out in the book that you think that

1101
01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:59.119
maybe they were holding on to you
because Putin wanted to trade you for Maria

1102
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:01.920
Bhutina, who we were here's a
Ruski spy that we rolled up. I

1103
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:04.560
heard about that after I had no
idea. They're like, yeah, they

1104
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:08.560
were trying to do that. And
Putin was like, bro, just because

1105
01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:10.840
you've got an American that happened to
be in next sealed, this mean he's

1106
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:14.319
a spy, Like he's not.
She's an actual fucking spot. We need

1107
01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:17.720
her back, like she's those fucking
state secrets. And they're like, oh,

1108
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:20.199
but we have this and say yeah, it's not worth anything. He's

1109
01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:24.399
like, fuck, okay, maybe
maybe you can actually let him have a

1110
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:29.760
fair try on, you know,
get yea out of here. So you

1111
01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:33.680
come back to the United States,
you learn't about streaming services and and reacquaint

1112
01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:36.600
yourself with your family. I mean, what's the next step for you?

1113
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:41.479
I mean you continued working with Malachi. Yeah, well the first step was

1114
01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:45.399
go to SIL Team seventeen and be
like, hey, what's up, guys,

1115
01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:51.560
I'm alive. And they were just
fucking they saw ghosts. There was

1116
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:57.159
no right, it's good to see
you. No fuck do you like?

1117
01:20:57.239 --> 01:21:00.479
Do you do? We need to
put him to a psych medical dental.

1118
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:02.119
There was like, oh what are
you doing here? I'm like what like

1119
01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.039
he was? I was like,
I mean I didn't expect to parade,

1120
01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:10.560
but like, god damn, because
they they honorably discharged you, but they

1121
01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:14.399
also pulled your sill tried in which
was pretty shocking. Yeah. Well they

1122
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:18.960
gave me an honorable r E one
so I can go back into reserves with

1123
01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:23.920
those special designate Right. So I'm
like wait, wait, wait, what

1124
01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:29.079
you know I get I'm sitting down. Someone of the teams like, hey

1125
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:30.600
man, we extended you as long
as we could. I was like,

1126
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:36.239
oh, thanks, I appreciate that, but you eos came okay, well

1127
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:39.439
when did when did? Uh?
And then they you know, give me

1128
01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:41.800
the packet. He goes. But
I'll tell you this. We pulled your

1129
01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:45.399
tried. I said, why you
know, the whole team on the East

1130
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:49.520
Coast just got popped for doing drugs. I'm like what, but who cares?

1131
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:54.520
Doesn't do me? Oh? And
this is this was like the week

1132
01:21:54.600 --> 01:22:00.319
of Eddie Gallagher's like final trial.
Days to work and like, oh any

1133
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:02.439
Gallagher like he's going down. I'm
like, for one, that's all fucking

1134
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:05.119
bullshit too. What does that have
to do with me? Oh? It

1135
01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:10.199
just looks bad. It's a bad
mark on the fucking team found out they

1136
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:14.800
extended my e O s and my
tried it got pulled like a week before

1137
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:18.760
my verdict date. Right, they
were hedging and then they get scared and

1138
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:24.000
then pulled chocks and I'm like,
you can't give me an honorable are you

1139
01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:27.359
one and then pull my bird to
give me another? Than are you four?

1140
01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:30.640
Or something? To make it doesn't
make any sense? Right? Oh?

1141
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:31.840
That was that? That was That
was a little dirty, I have

1142
01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:39.880
to say. Yeah. So I
was like, okay, well, I'm

1143
01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:42.439
like, where the fuck is master
Chief cox O here? Like yep,

1144
01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:45.000
walk in. I'm like, hey, what the fuck? Oh you were

1145
01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:47.319
working for a full military I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?

1146
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:51.079
Like we read it in Serby newspapers. I'm like, you're reading Serbia

1147
01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:56.319
newspapers and you're going off of I
was pretty pissed. And they're like,

1148
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:01.680
hey, you need to get a
congressional letter, you know, so I'll

1149
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:05.239
let me, let me go ahead
and button that up. So I was

1150
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:09.199
really I was really pissed. And
then you know, we did the whole

1151
01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:14.760
congressional thing, and there was a
letter written by an Aufstra I have a

1152
01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:17.479
lot of respect for, and he's
like, look he responded on behalf of

1153
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:21.520
whoever it was that made the decision
to the congressman was like, look,

1154
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:26.279
dude, he was traveling a lot. I wasn't telling us where he was.

1155
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:31.239
The guy who decided to do this
had every right to and we'll stand

1156
01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:34.239
behind it. But I will say
I've operated with Dan Corby. He's fucking

1157
01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:39.159
amazing. He's done his dues.
So now I now look at it as

1158
01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:44.159
you know, ericoncilable differences and we
we just we just we's broke up,

1159
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:45.640
and that's fine by me. It's
fine. I still love the Still Teams,

1160
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:50.800
fucking awesome people group of guys,
but we just our lifestyles just grew

1161
01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:55.279
apart. And I'm fine with that. And what if you been up two

1162
01:23:55.359 --> 01:24:00.960
cents then other than American mercenary.
Yes, so I'm back for a month.

1163
01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:03.119
I'm my Well, there was the
fucking reserves in my you know,

1164
01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:10.439
doing the hustle getting schools and deploying. And I had a friend who's been

1165
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:16.359
who's been hounding me since like two
thousand and ten. Finance guy, Dude,

1166
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:19.159
you would kill in finance. Come
to finance. I get back.

1167
01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:21.920
Hey, Orgie made it back.
So happy. We're going to do finance,

1168
01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:26.520
you know, dec the salary.
I'm fun, this is pretty cool.

1169
01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:29.640
And I'm like, man, what
am I gonna do? And you

1170
01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:30.960
know, talk to my mom.
My. Mom's like, look, don't

1171
01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:35.880
don't do finance. I know what
you do. I know you love what

1172
01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:41.079
you do. Go do that.
Just be fucking safe. I said,

1173
01:24:41.079 --> 01:24:43.439
all right, So I definitely need
to hear that from mom. It was

1174
01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:47.560
like fucking green light. And then
I think not thirty days later, I

1175
01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:54.800
was on a plane headed to Central
Sash South America. Can you tell us

1176
01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:02.720
about that? Uh? No,
if you continue doing that line of work

1177
01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:12.760
since since then, no, I
think when the I don't know, I'm

1178
01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:15.199
talking only based off news I'm sure
you guys know more than I do.

1179
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:17.239
I think ever since this guys said
they got paid twenty grand to go down

1180
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:24.239
and go down to Venezuela, right
they got wrapped up. I think that's

1181
01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:29.520
kind of been like, let's let's
not do anything like that anymore. Well

1182
01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:30.279
that and I was like, Okay, what do I want to do?

1183
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:35.079
Finally called up the guy. After
that, I was down there for three

1184
01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:41.840
months doing that that gig I did
thirty days after being backstate side, and

1185
01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:45.840
I said, I'll do finance.
Did that for two years, good pay,

1186
01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:49.800
and then you know that eventually went
away, and I was like,

1187
01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:53.079
fuck, I'll just teach shooting.
And I got shot timers, I got

1188
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:56.239
bullets. I'm a good shot,
a good teacher. I was doing that.

1189
01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:59.560
Then I got a phone call from
my book, my now book agent.

1190
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:01.560
He's like, hey, I've heard
about your story. Do you want

1191
01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:05.119
to do book? And I said
no because I was still kind of chasing

1192
01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:09.399
the dragon, right because like I
like being like, yeah, let's go,

1193
01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:12.880
let's go do it. Fuck yeah. I like the lifestyle, and

1194
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:16.680
I like the pay, and I
like the autonomy. I like being able.

1195
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:18.800
I like being able to say no
to shit, you don't agree with

1196
01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:23.760
or are super unsafe, right,
you know. So I was like no,

1197
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:31.359
and then being the person I was
that that had the connections I had

1198
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:36.920
and still have. I tell people
this, you'll get about two to four

1199
01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:45.520
calls in two years. Maybe one
of them comes to fruition like it lines

1200
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:47.920
up, logistics are good, it's
legal, you can do it, you

1201
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:55.159
can pull it off. It's clean, money's good, and money's not that

1202
01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:59.560
good to work once every four years. So right, I was like a

1203
01:27:01.119 --> 01:27:04.960
book agent calls again, I said, I said, okay, but I

1204
01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:09.960
don't want to do a seal book
because it's not proprietary to me. Right,

1205
01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:13.000
we'll talk about me, but I'm
not going to talk about buds.

1206
01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:17.079
You can read it, you can
watch it on TV. Right, Okay,

1207
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:21.279
I'm cool with that. All right, let's do it. Do we

1208
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:28.119
have questions for Daniel? We do? And so folks can go after and

1209
01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:32.039
pre order Daniel's book, American Mercenary. It's up on Amazon. I finished

1210
01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:35.199
reading it this afternoon. It is, as you guys can tell if you

1211
01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:38.520
made it this part into the interview, it's a hell of a good story.

1212
01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:43.199
So actually, first off, Global
Media, thank you very much.

1213
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He just said supports the team outs
and that like button, thank you,

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Chief Justice, keep thank you very
much. What was the most satisfating form

1215
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:56.800
of hazing you experienced in the Seal
teams? Oh? I would say most

1216
01:27:56.920 --> 01:28:00.640
interesting was also the most fun.
I think it was wearing a drop leg

1217
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:06.359
holster with simmunition in your pistol and
being naked standing across from another new guy

1218
01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:14.479
doing a full on three two one
draw cowboy style? Was there even if

1219
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:17.600
it wasn't sort of the juvenile style. Was there a type of hazing that

1220
01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:25.199
you went through, Uh, when
you first sort of you know, joined

1221
01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:29.039
the mercenary mercenaryoriment, or when you
first went to prison, was there sort

1222
01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:34.720
of a new guy breaking period?
No, I think And here's why.

1223
01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:40.279
When you get called up by certain
people a lot of money and connections to

1224
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:43.119
do a mercenary job, like your
resume, you're not some kid off the

1225
01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:45.880
streets. This guy was at this
command and then the prison thing, maybe

1226
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:48.520
there would have been, But at
the same time the newspapers beat me.

1227
01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:53.199
They were saying I was there to
kill their biggest enemy, right, So

1228
01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:55.960
I was like I was like lauded
as your hero, you know, like,

1229
01:28:56.079 --> 01:28:59.760
yeah, that's the fucking guy.
I'm like, hey, yeah,

1230
01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:03.960
gotta find it. Ay Clint,
Thanks Jackie David other great podcast. Thanks

1231
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:10.600
Clint M. Corbyn, thank you
very much. How many different ways can

1232
01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:15.000
the same thing be taught to different
types of people? So I think he's

1233
01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:18.640
talking about like CQC. So that's
a that's a beautiful question. And I

1234
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:23.039
got into it with some of the
instructors when I got really into teaching.

1235
01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:27.039
Let's say that's for numbers. They
were never they were never this big.

1236
01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:31.800
You would have a class of one
hundred and you would teach and eighty students

1237
01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:35.720
would get it. Well, a
lot of the default from a lot of

1238
01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:40.840
the instructors I saw was that these
twenty kids are stupid. I said,

1239
01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:45.399
that's not that's not what it is. Get the mark one motto, fucking

1240
01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:49.560
teaching style that's gonna hit eighty percent. And then maybe you need to do

1241
01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:54.880
by showtel maybe make it like,
uh, you know, really go into

1242
01:29:54.920 --> 01:29:58.159
the philosophy of why we clear that
corner first? Why instead of just monkey

1243
01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:00.359
see monkey do so I like to
go. I mean, I know there's

1244
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:04.720
like seven seven state styles of learning, but what I've seen is I'll do

1245
01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:10.199
like my main my main way like
by by show teach tale or whatever,

1246
01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:14.920
heal tea show that'll hit the eighty
and then I'll have to get more creative.

1247
01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:16.920
And then I'll get to like ninety
and not to get more creative,

1248
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:20.039
and I'll hit like ninety five and
they eat more creative, and I'll hit

1249
01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:26.039
ninety eight and then maybe get real
outside my comfort zone and try to get

1250
01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:29.600
those last two guys up to speed. So I you know, if you're

1251
01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:34.680
in a position to teach and guys
have shown ten months of showing up and

1252
01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:39.800
being smart, dedicated, and they're
not getting something at your block of training

1253
01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:44.079
that's on you, that's not on
the students. And then when you're working

1254
01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:47.359
with different people, say whether it's
you know, other units, people from

1255
01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:53.479
other American units, other units in
other countries, whatever you know. And

1256
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:57.039
obviously we're talking about SECREC like there
are different ways. You know, you've

1257
01:30:57.079 --> 01:31:00.640
got strong wail, opposing corners sort
of free flow physically, you know,

1258
01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:05.119
physically dominating or whatever. Like,
how do you guys, because everybody says,

1259
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:08.920
you know, people will die on
those hills, right, oh yeah,

1260
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:13.119
oh well people will die on those
hills. How do you guys come

1261
01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:18.000
to that sort of happy place where
we're all copeaesthetic and we all agree that

1262
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:24.960
this is how we're gonna do it. I think through just straight practical applications.

1263
01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:29.479
Guys like no, we're gonna sector
okay, and I'll go get behind

1264
01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:31.520
the opposing wall with a laser beam
and pointed at his head in the three

1265
01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:34.720
seconds it takes for them to get
plate to plate and in sector, those

1266
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:39.199
are shots, right, So it's
like, oh, okay, maybe we

1267
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:43.600
do need to cross cover because we're
the most expensive. So I've ever seen

1268
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:47.399
within my communities like huge dissension in
tactics, like no, fuck you,

1269
01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:53.319
there was someone we started going really
deliberate. There were some multiple guys like

1270
01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:56.920
pussy, get the fucking door,
and it's like, why what are you

1271
01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:00.119
doing here? Right? This guy's
barricaded with the sand and they're putting like

1272
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:03.479
chain link fencing in the entryway because
they know how we make entry. Dolle,

1273
01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:09.560
No, let's feel around back and
shoot him through where his fucking window

1274
01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:16.159
is. Yeah, yeah, nntess, thank you very much. We really

1275
01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:24.800
appreciate your donationd Did we have anything
on Patreon? Cool? So, uh,

1276
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:29.600
next week we're gonna be here with
William Negley served in the CIA and

1277
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:34.479
now runs a sound off which is
a application for veterans, people in the

1278
01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:39.640
military community, the intelligence community can
go on there and talk to a psychologist

1279
01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:44.119
anonymously. It's a really good program
that he runs. So looking forward to

1280
01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:47.159
having here in the studio, Daniel, is anything else you want to put

1281
01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:49.920
out there? Anything else you want
to talk about before we get going tonight

1282
01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:56.880
now, man, look out for
the book and uh, it'll follow me

1283
01:32:56.960 --> 01:33:00.720
because I'll have some more announcements coming
up, hopefully in before the end of

1284
01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:04.600
the year, and I hopefully it
will be huge. So the book is

1285
01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:11.840
American Mercenary by Daniel Krobedi, comes
out August Augus August. Where can people

1286
01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:18.319
find you to follow you at American
Underscore Mercenary. Cool? But Daniel,

1287
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:23.079
thank you very much for joining us
tonight. Really appreciate you telling your story,

1288
01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:27.479
sharing your book with us. This
is a fun interview. Awesome,

1289
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:30.439
thanks Adam Blast having me, good
man. Thank you. So we'll see

1290
01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:32.199
all you guys out there next Friday. Thank you.