Brian Gable, It's good to see you, my friend. It's a slattery
person, bro, it's the first time we've seen each other person being friends.
Yeah. Well we met last year here, which was very enlightening experience,
and we've kind of just headed off since then. So appreciate you being
here. Appreciate you doing this in person. It's always fun doing these in
person. I feel like it's way more personal. You actually get face to
face with the person, you can talk to them. You know. Well,
I think all the shows we've done, of all the shows I do
minor, all audio, yours is the only show I've done video, So
now we get to do video in person, video on video, video,
and video. Yeah. So I've been kind of wandering around and trying to
get the feel for people and what they are thinking and what they believe.
And I just had Andrew Collins on and he's talking about this plasma and that
plasma maybe the calls for a lot of what people are experiencing. You also
brought up Jacques Vala and uh and what's the other guy Carl Young and his
work and how you know, it's about the perception of the mind and how
things have evolved and I think people have a more grounded outlook of the phenomenon.
Even since last year. Have you seen that kind of that grounded outlook
that people are starting to have evolving the phenomenon. I've not experienced it too
directly, but I know that there are a handful of mean speakers at Contact
in the desert, A handful and some other people that maybe I know of
but I don't know them personally, have started to realize that it's much more
than a nuts and bolts phenomenon. It's much more than something that can be
confined to an abduction story. These anecdotal stories that people tell, but it
doesn't mean that they're not true in some capacity, right, But I think
that there has been a shift in regard to the whole phenomenon, which is,
when I say a whole, it's a lot more than just there's a
light in the sky. It's a lot more than just I was laying in
bed at night and I felt like I got levitated out of my bed and
maybe I lost some time. It's much more complicated than that. There's a
panel this morning with a bunch of people talking about and Clyde Lewis had asked
them about is this a scientific issue, is this a religious issue? Is
it a military issue? I think two or three out of the six panelists
said that it's all three, and I was hoping someone would say it's also
a psychological issue, a sociological issue, a cultural issue. I mean,
it's it's virtually and everything issue, right. I think it encompasses virtually every
field of study and fields of study that we don't even investigate much, which
would I think include the field of plasma research, because there's very little that
has I think that has been done in that field. A couple of studies
here or there, a few people that have referenced it, but that's an
emerging thing that I think we'll see more of an uphology in the coming years,
is plasma research. I'm more interested in the psychology, the archetypes and
symbols and all of that, but I think plasma is probably the future for
a lot of UFO themed events. Yeah, so, how long can we
keep going on with the same but roswell, Yeah, we can't keep up
on the same thing over and over and over again. There has to be
some more logical and critical thinking explanations that are going to have to come to
light. Now I've been saying for a long time, I am now that
is going to shift into USOS, like they're going to start talking about underwater
submergible objects and very few people listen to me. But now people are starting
to talk about it now. I was talking about this last year, like
that's the direction it's going to go, because we got all this outer space
stuff and all the extra treasturals coming from But in order to switch that and
change it to something that's kind of more realistic but also kind of out there
at the same time, you know, we'll make it that they're from here,
that they've always been here, which is another kind of common motif,
but it's similar enough to where people can jump on board with that because they've
heard that for a really long time, that they've always been here, that
that they've been here for thousands and have been here a very long time.
Take a line right from the X Files. Yeah, well, you know,
I mean also historically, I mean we didn't humans. What I mean
by we humans didn't have the same kind of let's say water technology in the
past that we do today. I mean, there were obviously were boats and
maybe even some version of a submarine and some capacity in some cultures at least
a design for that or something like that, but obviously nothing like we have
today. So if you weren't in those environments, then you weren't going to
be picking those things up. You weren't going to be seeing them like the
military picks up today, whether that's on submarines or navy vessels. I mean,
there are records. I think it was Christopher Columbus. There's a record
in his diary of seeing strange lights come out of the water, So that's
been recorded for several hundred years as well a USO's I think you told me.
You said you thought usos were going to be a bigger thing, So
probably see more USO stuff. We'll probably see more plasma stuff. In terms
of what's coming for the future, I mean I have that from looking glass
technology. I know that for a fact that's coming. That technology. Well,
I got abducted. You know how I told you about that? Yeah?
Yeah, did they implant the looking glass technology into your heads? Right
here? Yeah, right right into the third eye. I'm sure you're want
to keep this more serious. On the serious note, though, please continue.
That's what happens when we get together. Yeah, the I just think
that it's interesting that the shift because you know, like back in the day,
it was you know, we all we all know the story of Kenneth
Arnold and how he'd never seen a flying saucer. He didn't he didn't describe
the shape of the craft as a flying saucer, but that took on a
life of its own. It became this frenzy topic that just developed and pretty
soon everyone was seeing flying saucers. Anything that they said, anything that they
saw strange in the sky, they were like, that was a flying saucer,
even though it wasn't shaped like that didn't look like a flying saucer.
It is funny because he had the way that it was, the way that
he described what he saw is now what people begin began to see. So
what people were seeing back after his sighting wasn't necessarily the thing he saw,
which was a chevron triangular type or several triangular type chevron craft. They're seeing
after that, citing that he had. They're starting to see things that are
the description of what the media said that Kenneth Arnold saw, the description of
how it moved became the definition of the object itself, which that alone,
I think is you could write a whole book on that, I think,
to really explain what the phenomenon is and where where it came from, how
it developed in more modern times. And that's the thing with Roswell two in
nineteen forty seven. A lot of obviously the euphological community is focused on Roswell.
I've been to. Roswell's a fun place. I don't have anything against
it. I think it's a really fun event to go to, and they
have the anniversary. It's obviously good for tourism. It's part of the UFO
mythos and the history, but it's also sort of you only if you start
there and think that that's where everything begins, then you're missing at the base
minimum, you're missing foo fighters and ghost rockets from the previous decade and a
half during World War Two, and those are very significant things that play more
into the psychology of what the UFO phenomena is. And by psychology I mean
the stressors of World War two, just like during the Cold War, the
stressors of nuclear war, and people began to see more and more of these
objects, not only just in the sky, but they saw them over nuclear
facilities. Top secret nuclear facilities. I mean, I personally don't necessarily know.
I don't know how you feel about this. I don't necessarily believe that
there's any like EB type extraterrestrial biological entity type intelligence behind that. I think
that it might be a projection of our own unconscious a fear of nuclear weapons
and self destruction, just like we've heard a lot at this conference. I've
heard this all weekend in panels. I've heard discussions. I've heard people ask
questions to speakers, what can the aliens do to save us from climate change?
Or I've heard people suggest the aliens are going to save us from climate
change. And that's an old motif too. You know, people that saw
aliens or UFOs or had an interaction with them thirty forty, fifty sixty years
ago, we're saying the same thing. What did the aliens say to you?
They said to stop polluting the planet. It's the same exact story over
and over and over again. And we've always had stresses in society and things
that stress and bend society to the branking point, whether it's a mass of
war or it's the threat of nuclear annihilation, where you get a combination of
all that today, especially with the media focus and attention. Because everybody has
phones, they can look at it twenty four hours a day, so that
leaves the door open for people to I don't mean literally hallucinate, but in
a sense, almost like a psychic hallucination. We're looking for something to save
us, something externally and maybe what we're seeing and witnessing in some cases,
not all cases, but is sort of a projection of our own fears,
or projection of our own desires, the projection of things that humans very much
worry about. I don't know if it's really aliens that are worried about us
too much. I think we're worried about ourselves and that projects outward into the
external world and we create that. I agree absolutely, and that it gives
you the inside of the consciousness and how people were feeling after World War Two.
World War two was one of the biggest wars that the United States was
ever involved with. I mean a lot of people died during that time,
a lot of people recognized fearing for their lives during that time, and especially
with the V two rocket program, I mean you had new technologies and rockets
raining down out of the sky and people were more focused on the sky and
then you look up looking for rockets or looking for things above ea. During
war, there's new technologies, like the Germans had the in what the Emmy
city was the Messerschmid sixty two, that like a fighter jet, not a
propeller plane that was It wasn't I don't think it was mass produced. But
they had this fighter jet technology jet engine instead of a propeller plane, and
that's completely different. Nobody had ever seen something like that before. I mean
that in and of itself as alien. I think that's why a lot of
people say, well, the Germans must have gotten technology from the UFOs or
from the aliens, and we sort of dismissed the fact that humans can develop
really advanced technologies. It doesn't have to be aliens. To me, that
doesn't really make a lot of sense personally, but that's a separate thing,
I think. Yeah. And then we get into the Cold War, just
like you mentioned, and everyone worried about nuclear war, and then we have
all these sightings of you know, these objects over nuclear sites, you know,
and that's a self conscious projection of people's fears over the real threat of
nuclear war. If you think about it, what are those objects? Usually
they're balls of light, just like foo fire big balls of light, and
the balls of light traditionally are like a large, you know, illuminated sphere.
That's something that throughout all of human history has been an idea like has
been the symbol of the human soul or a symbol of the world soul,
like in alchemical texts, alchemical treatises, things like that you find that are
like illuminated manuscripts, any type of thing like that, you find references to
the world's soul. You find references to the human soul. And how it's
this illuminated ball. Not today we call that like orbs call it UFOs,
we call it even maybe ball lightning or you know, Saint Elmo's fire,
and a physics or scientific sense. So there's definitely a physics and scientific explanation
for it, but just the motif of it and the archetype of that illuminated
ball being kind of like a soul or kind of like an intelligence. And
it would make sense that it's not a mechanical object that's flying to a missiles
like a nuclear missile side maybe, but I don't think that makes as much
sense as humans collectively creating these kinds of things during times of stress, especially.
I mean, I would assume that it's not just that it's during the
Cold War, but you're working at a very sensitive nuclear installation, knowing that
at any moment you might be turning the keys. I mean, I can't
imagine that that's not at stressful job on top of everything else. That was
definitely a psychologically draining job being in that in the middle of nowhere. But
that's the type of excuse that people use for why weren't these craft around before
the fifties, you know what, I mean, why were we having these
sightings before World War Two? And they're like, oh, well, it
was because we dropped the nuclear bomb and Hiroshima and Nagasaki that the aliens from
off the planet became interested in us and they wanted to come and make sure
we don't blow ourselves up. Which is a sort of applause explanation if you
believe in the extraterrestrial hypothesis. I mean, it's a pretty good excuse,
right, but it doesn't really hold too much weight when you think about the
psychological implications of it. The trauma of war, the trauma of everyone being
on edge, the fear from the media, the fear from the what's going
to happen next? You know, and what kind of other war? Are
we safe in our own homes? Because I'm pretty sure that back in the
day they would do nuclear in schools. Yeah, duck and cover. They
would be like, yeah, they would have like whole programs that was.
And then you're scaring the children, right, get under under the kindling,
yeah, you know, for the bomb to go off. Right. And
also during during i mean during the late fifties, early sixties into the Apollo
years, what do we talk about? We talked about going to the moon?
Right, and so what is that? That's humans, new technologies invading
another planetary body, a moonment in our solar system. And I think thanks
in part to the nineteen fifty two Robertson Panel report, but also because of
the cultural and historical and the just the human significance of going to the moon,
whether you believe that or not, just the idea of that, I
mean, that made its way into pop culture in the sense of having beans,
humanoid type beans in new technologies that we've never seen that are advanced coming
and invading our planet. As we got ready with new technologies to go and
invade another world. Those two things they parallel each other, yes, yes,
yea. And also back to what you were saying just a moment ago
again, if you just started, you begin at roswell and you at base
minimum miss Foo fighters and things like ghost rockets back in the forties and late
thirties, mostly in the forties, and also the Battle of Los Angeles in
the early forties too, because that object was ethech Like, when was that
forty two or forty three? It was early forty three, I believe off
the top of my head, I believe it was early forty three. I
think it was February. That was a really interesting event, the Battle of
La But I'm pretty sure that there were reports because they fired at that craft
in fourteen hundred rounds, I think yeah, And there were reports that they
were hearing like the shells the bullets were like bouncing off the coorp just going
through it almost like well I read reports about that almost like it was,
and I talked about this in my one of my new books. It's almost
like if the object was Ethrek like, it was almost like almost like an
air spirit. It just goes right through it, which is very similar.
There's a military report from nineteen off the top of my head, I think
it was nineteen forty three as well, somewhere around there, maybe later from
Schweinfert, Germany. I don't know if we ever talked about this one.
They were US military planes flying over Schweinfurt and they ca this is in the
record. This isn't like something someone fabricated and explained later. And these objects
gle like fu fighters. They come up alongside the plane, but their disc
like craft. And this was before Kenneth Arnold, which is really weird.
They were disc type craft. It's how they kind of were explained. They
called them discs. And the report and they said the plane made contact with
them, and they heard they thought the plane had made contact with another plane
and they heard them metal you know, hit it, but it didn't do
any damage to the plane. And when they looked out to see what happened,
there was nothing there. It was almost like the way they described it
was. The plane basically flew through this etheric like object. And that was
around the same time as what was happening in California. I mean, I've
thought about it. I don't don't seriously think about it like this, but
just kind of plane with the idea. It almost seems like like from the
early forties onward, the idea of these illuminated balls, or the idea of
these flying disc type craft, even before Kenneth Arnold, they're etheric. It's
in the mind. They're in on battlefields. I mean, i La wasn't
a battlefield, but we were afraid the Japanese were going to invade. And
japan actually did attack the United States, not just Pearl Harbor. There was
one mainland attack. It was a submarine and an oil refinery in California.
Caused only a few hundred dollars in damage. So the Americans where we were
very afraid that the Japanese were going to attack California, so there was a
high people thought that's what was happening. And the Japanese denied that they had
any involvement in the Battle Los Angeles. But it's almost like these things were
etheric, and the more we stressed and worried about what was happening in the
skies, they began to manifest more and more, and then we get roswell,
and then they begin to get more solid, and then we get a
lot more abduction cases. It's almost like we've kind of literally brought this phenomenon
into physical manifestation existence. The battle. Did the Battle of La happened before
or after the United States entered into World War two? Because the United States
entered in late in the war, right late in the war, much later
in the war. When did they come in for two? I believe the
Battle Los Angeles was after we entered into the war, because we we were
afraid that the Japanese were going to invade already, we'd already declared war.
I believe that's interesting because it would have been really interesting if we didn't enter
into the war until after Until after the battle, the Aliens were trying to
get us involved in the well, because that leads credence to the people that
say, oh, well, we entered the war on the pretenses that we
knew that Germany had some form of a van stereo craft or whatever, that
they had American spies over there in Germany during World War two and they were
reporting back what they were seeing. And that's I mean, according to uphology,
right acording to the euthologist, that's kind of what got us under the
war. You know, you also have to look at. If you go
back before World War Two and the Foo fighters and ghost rockets and Arnold in
the late forties and atomic weapons and all of that, you go back far
enough, as we've talked about so many times, and you know, as
people like Carl Jung and many many others have pointed this out too, that
you have the evolution of the UFO phenomenon going back thousands of years, if
not tens of thousands of years, not just the beans or the creatures that
we associate with these objects or these lights in the sky, but the phenomenon
itself. It evolves. So it goes from usually on battlefields, soldiers seeing
boats and shields, pillars and things, cannons and Germany cannons and cannon balls
and things that they didn't understand what it was, so they described it in
terms of things they did understand, like a big wooden ship, right,
or a shield or a can in the cannonball. And then as time progresses
and we move more into modern times, the boat has become a space ship
because we know we have rockets and we have space shuttles, and that's so
widespread and probably pretty antiquated technology, but you got private companies that even do
that now. So the more and more we evolve technologically, the UFO phenomena
evolves with us. So it's kind of like that idea when a military plane
is chasing a ufhone and it can't either like it can't really keep up with
it, like it's always just a little bit further ahead. I don't know,
it's kind of just I think it's kind of like that with the phenomenon
in general. It's something that you can you're not going to be able to
catch it because it's part of us. And the more we move forward technologically
and in terms of understanding the world around us, it's just the more with
what we know or what yet or what we're yes, more we associate with
what we know, and the more we associate it with things that are the
phenomenon itself, with things that are always just a little bit more advanced than
we are, and that probably, like the science fiction, leads us to
make new advances. Because they were talking today there was a panel about gravitans
and looking for the gravity particle. Because there's a theory and there's a formula,
and then we build something, we try to find it and we try
to prove the theory right, and sometimes the theory is wrong and they have
to redo it. And then but if I mean, that's what you're looking
for and that's what you're in for, euthologists, they would say, well,
we have once we can understand that, maybe we can obtain the technology
to have some sort of interstellar flight because gravity wouldn't be a problem anymore.
And that's what the UFOs they say, they don't really have to worry about
gravity, right, they can just put their anti gravity vehicles. But that's
also I mean, i'd say separate science from euthology for a second. And
from a eufhological point of view, all these are also scientific, like they're
scientific like theories. Right. It's like, well, the UFOs must be
anti gravity. Well why do you think that, Well, because you heard
a thousand Discovery Channel, History Channel and all these other TV and documentaries say
it must be anty gravity or they have inertia cancellers. I remember that was
a really big thing, inertia cancelers. And then we start to develop this
idea that maybe if we develop that kind of technology, then we'll finally understand
what these things are. But it's all coming from the human mind. I
don't think not an alien mind. I agree with that one dred percent.
And that's what we really need to It's important to have these types of conversations
because we can't just narrow the whole phenomenon down to like one specific thing.
But that also is a trap as well, and also why the community is
really fragmented, because everyone has their own thoughts and their own ideas about what
the phenomenon is, and then that creates this fracturing effect. You know,
you have all the conscious people and the spiritual and the New Age people think
that it's a spiritual phenomenon. You have another group that thinks that it's you
know, terrestrials. You have a group that thinks that it's crypto terrestrials.
You got people think that it's an ancient civilization that's been here on the planet
for a long time, that it's the Atlanteans. You have another group people
think that it's all the military, you know, and it's all the fracturing
doesn't really move the conversation forward, Yeah, it brings it to like a
complete standstill because people are just bickering and arguing within the group. It's like
what Bill Cooper was talking about in this conference in nineteen eighty seven, the
move on the conference. He was like, the community is its own worst
enemy. And you can apply that same topic and that same statement to all
of the communities, any of it, any truth or community, conspiracy,
community, athology community. There's people that are Bigfoots interdimensional. No Bigfoot's just
a spiritual apparition, No Bigfoots of physical hairy monster. And there's there's little
communities that it's okay to have theories and it's okay to discuss them, but
it's not okay to get stuck in that echo chamber. Yeah, And then
I feel like that's what it's what it's really done. It's not even about
bringing new knowledge or new thoughts or new ideas, because normally when people have
a new thought or a new idea, it gets like squashed really quickly,
Like people come down on it hard, you know, because the people that
you know pave the way for other people are normally bashed in the beginning and
they're like, oh, you're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about.
I've done so much more race art trying, you got all lesson William
Tomkins, Bob Dean. If you want to know the real truth, you
know. And I've heard that kind of thing so many times. Yeah,
it's a it's a recurring thing over and over again, and it's unfortunate because
everything should be and it accepted to a certain degree. But everyone has their
own really confirmed ideologies. Like I have no problem listening to someone that thinks
that, you know, extraterrestrials are real. That doesn't mean that I'm not
going to say my thoughts, opinions, and beliefs on it. They have
the right to believe whatever they want to believe. I think it's all so
difficult because we all think a little bit differently, and that's what makes humans
unique. And we are all good at certain things and not good at other
things, and we have to work certain things and other things. Even if
we work at them, we're still not good at them. Is that if
you try to explain, like I've tried to explain, I'm not like a
genius. I'm just someone who can read books, and I read books and
I learn things, and I just you know, the idea of the oldest
flying saucer is not back in the nineteen forties. It's four or five ten,
Who knows how many thousands of years old. It's the Sun. It's
a disc flies through the sky and every day or in the evening, it
crashes in the land of shadow. That was the Egyptian story of Ra's sunboat,
or in Japan Amatatasu's you know her. I don't know if they ever
called it a boat, but she was the personification of the sun, and
the sun would rise and then it would crash. It's actually a very similar
you know, there's a correlation between Jesus's story of resurrection and death, resurrection
and death and the UFO story of these extraterrestrials or this flying saucer. I
know, those two things to people like you and I aren't necessarily the same.
But yeah, a flying saucer, a flying disc and then crashing,
and then we recover the bodies, like Christ's body, and then we create
this whole narrative around. It's a very similar thing going on there. And
the Sun is the oldest flying disc. It is the original flying disc.
But unless someone's read Joseph Campbell or Carl Jung, or they've studied you know,
basic like archtypical symbology, it's okay, they don't know that, but
it's hard to explain that to someone who's very hell bent on no it was
nineteen forty seven, Roswell. What's interesting is like you would think that's something
that you would see every day, like the sun that would come up and
rise and then set and then when it says it gets dark, and that
happens every day for all of eternity, like all of our existence here,
Like you think that they would kind of wise up a little bit and be
like, you know, figure it out that this is a light source and
this is always here. It's not. I mean, it is extraordinary that
we have a sun, but it's not extraordinary to the a point where it's
anomalous. You know, it happens every single day. So it's like,
wonder what. I'm sure that they thought, oh man, this, what
is this? What is up on the sky? About? How long can
you think that exact same thing? But I mean, I probably I don't
know what civilization was like back then. I don't know what they were thinking.
I don't know what they were doing. It's probably all survival. And
it might be how we interpret it too. It might be that it wasn't
a literal interpretation for most people that they were really legitimately afraid the sun wasn't
going to come back. I mean that could have been the common person,
priestly class didn't believe that, or it could just be our interpretation of the
past, like we thought, oh, they're so primitive, they didn't have
iPhones, so they must have thought the sun went away when they were really
telling a more complex story about nature. Yeah, that could be a worry
that the sun doesn't come back. And we do really kind of take a
lot of things for granted in our reality, like the sun and the moon
and the stars. You know, it's like a everyday part of our reality.
But then there's the other part of this, where as society evolves,
then we realized that that is a naturally occurring phenomenon that's a part of our
reality. But then now we would class why that is science exactly, it's
a scientific discovery. So I don't think that anything else that may actually be
anomalous won't be able to be explained. That's what it really means. That's
what we're talking about here, is that the things that we see now are
going to be explained at some point in the future. Just like the people
that was calling the sauna disk and thinking that it was like a craft or
whatever it is that they thought is later on explained by science and a natural
current phenomenon. Yeah, but then again you also get NASA, who well,
when we had the eclipse a few months ago in twenty twenty four,
you had NASA quite literally reenacting an old Egyptian ritual where they would fire projectiles
at the sun during an eclipse to prevent the serpent apep from consuming it.
So, despite the fact that I completely agree with you it's a scientific discovery,
we still reenact the ancient story in the ancient myths because they hold i
think, symbolic power, subconscious unconscious power, and affects people that are performing
those rituals, you know, as much, maybe maybe more, but as
much at least as it does the common person. Whether you've ever heard of
apep or any of these myths. They're so embedded in culture, They're so
embedded in the psyche and probably your genetics, like it's the very basis of
what makes us human. Generation after generation after generation of the same stories and
the same and living in the same environments. It's probably embedded right in your
DNA to some extent. Yeah, ancestral like a memory. Yeah, you
know, and there's also I mean there are there are so many different ways,
like you said, like we alluded to earlier, to break down the
UFO subject to break down or now the UAP subject. Everybody wants to either
control the narrative, like the Vatican wants to control the narrative, and they
want to well years ago they said they'd baptize an alien. Now the Vatican
is basically saying that, you know, the door's open for this kind of
life to exist. You've got the US federal government sort of playing every side
of taking every angle, but sort of using the same playbook as we discussed
back from the nineteen forties and nineteen fifties. It's kind of the same answers
we got back then that we're getting today. And then you have you know
more I think powerful citizen groups and movements that are doing their own investigation into
it. Like you have all these different people that want to control the narrative.
Even within ufology you have again the spiritualist type people, the mechanical physics
type people, and everybody goes at each other and argues over what the narrative
is, or you involve politics in it, and what are the aliens can
to do about climate change? You think the aliens? How do we deal
with racism with aliens? You know? Yeah, that kind of and it's
funny, but that's true. There's some people that really think, like,
well, what if the aliens are white? What if they're black? What
if they're green? Was you know with then that kind of in racism though,
like what if they are green? And what if they come down in
their green I don't know, I don't know. Maybe what was that movie
District nine where the aliens were sort of discriminated against and kept in that ghetto.
That's exactly what we would do. That's probably what we would do too.
Yeah, so it's white people's faults. We quarantined the aliens. Yeah,
crucify him and put them in the crappy neighborhood ridicule. There was one
little thing we were talking about yesterday that I think is probably relevant to this.
I was reading this old was published in the seventies, this old book.
I showed it to you. It was just like a history of magic
or occultism. And the guy that wrote the book was he had a brief
overview of like supernatural beings, and he was talking about fairies, and he
was talking about elves and different creaturesacters, deities from all over the world and
the comparisons between them and Hindu and the Hindu religion or in Christianity call him
demons or whatever. But he was talking about how elves and fairies they always
have green skin or they always have green clothing. But I didn't know this
about elves in the tradition. Elves not only are they good with technology,
which like the machine elves with DMT, I knew that, but I didn't
know that elves in the lore actually have a cosmic origin according to this particular
book, and it's an older book, has nothing to do with UFOs.
So I was thinking, well, you've got these little green men that are
really good with machines that come from the cosmos. And this is a we
don't don't know how old those those stories are, four or five hundred,
one thousand years old. Like, I mean, that's pretty similar to how
we view the same kind of thing today. Subject today, and the whole
idea of even like demons and angels and all that. I mean, that's
also evolved over time too, because that's like a that's kind of like a
comical thing that people argue about demons. Are they demons? Are the aliens
or the aliens? Are they demons? Maybe they're the same thing, Maybe
they're not the same thing, Maybe they're two different things. But really,
like our idea of supernatural beans has changed over time too, Like these creatures
from some other place. Maybe the demons came up from Hell. Now it's
like some sort of reptilian alien that wants to torture us and eat us.
And the Paladians are these tall, beautiful, white, angelic like beans.
They're here to save us. Right. And you can go to holy sites
too, like Roswell's a holy site. You can venture there and take a
pilgrimage. Holy books nothing against people like von Danic intersition, but those are
holy books that you're not allowed to question. It's blasphemous to question those books.
There are I would say Ufo saints. There are people in the UFO
community that you're not allowed to question. They've got sainthood from the from the
leadership of the people local cult. They've been ordained, got their fish bishop
hat. So that's there's a there's a correlation there too. I mean there's
a religious element that it's I wouldn't say it's turned into I think it's always
been that, especially as you know better than I do, all the different
UFO cults they pull heavily from that lore. Absolutely they do, and they
regurgitated whether they know it or not. They have taken a lot of the
talking points and a lot of the ideas from those UFO cults and turned it
into their own. And that's something that not a lot of people know about
either. That's why I did that series UFO Doomsday Cults, was to let
people know their ideology and their thought process and where a lot of this stuff
comes from. Because you can go back and study all those UFO cults and
you can see that almost all those talking points are the same talking points that
people use today, even like love and light here, love and light a
lot. That's not a new thing. It's been around for a very very
long time. A lot of the talking points, you're right, same talking
points over and over again. We just might interpret them or apply them differently.
Just like with whatever we're seeing a thousand years ago in the sky,
we might call it a boat, not today we called a spaceship. And
who knows what we'll call it in a thousand years. It's just like the
Bible, right, Like you can open up the Bible and you can find
something that somehow relates to what you're going through in this exact moment. God,
God helped you to find that passage. I open it performing some bibliomancy.
Yeah, yeah, you could probably do it with some alien UFO books.
Right. What are the aliens want me to know? Right there?
They're going to save us from climateation? Please aliens, please save us from
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