WEBVTT 1 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:35.759 Brian Gable, It's good to see you, my friend. It's a slattery 2 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.320 person, bro, it's the first time we've seen each other person being friends. 3 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:44.640 Yeah. Well we met last year here, which was very enlightening experience, 4 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:48.000 and we've kind of just headed off since then. So appreciate you being 5 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:51.240 here. Appreciate you doing this in person. It's always fun doing these in 6 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:54.359 person. I feel like it's way more personal. You actually get face to 7 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:57.399 face with the person, you can talk to them. You know. Well, 8 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:00.240 I think all the shows we've done, of all the shows I do 9 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.799 minor, all audio, yours is the only show I've done video, So 10 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:07.719 now we get to do video in person, video on video, video, 11 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:12.519 and video. Yeah. So I've been kind of wandering around and trying to 12 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:17.760 get the feel for people and what they are thinking and what they believe. 13 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:23.040 And I just had Andrew Collins on and he's talking about this plasma and that 14 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:27.760 plasma maybe the calls for a lot of what people are experiencing. You also 15 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:34.760 brought up Jacques Vala and uh and what's the other guy Carl Young and his 16 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.640 work and how you know, it's about the perception of the mind and how 17 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:46.599 things have evolved and I think people have a more grounded outlook of the phenomenon. 18 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:51.959 Even since last year. Have you seen that kind of that grounded outlook 19 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:59.280 that people are starting to have evolving the phenomenon. I've not experienced it too 20 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.920 directly, but I know that there are a handful of mean speakers at Contact 21 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:07.400 in the desert, A handful and some other people that maybe I know of 22 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.039 but I don't know them personally, have started to realize that it's much more 23 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:15.120 than a nuts and bolts phenomenon. It's much more than something that can be 24 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.960 confined to an abduction story. These anecdotal stories that people tell, but it 25 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.680 doesn't mean that they're not true in some capacity, right, But I think 26 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:28.039 that there has been a shift in regard to the whole phenomenon, which is, 27 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:30.479 when I say a whole, it's a lot more than just there's a 28 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:35.039 light in the sky. It's a lot more than just I was laying in 29 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:37.719 bed at night and I felt like I got levitated out of my bed and 30 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.039 maybe I lost some time. It's much more complicated than that. There's a 31 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:45.199 panel this morning with a bunch of people talking about and Clyde Lewis had asked 32 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:49.520 them about is this a scientific issue, is this a religious issue? Is 33 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.000 it a military issue? I think two or three out of the six panelists 34 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:57.879 said that it's all three, and I was hoping someone would say it's also 35 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.400 a psychological issue, a sociological issue, a cultural issue. I mean, 36 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:07.240 it's it's virtually and everything issue, right. I think it encompasses virtually every 37 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:12.800 field of study and fields of study that we don't even investigate much, which 38 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:16.199 would I think include the field of plasma research, because there's very little that 39 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:21.000 has I think that has been done in that field. A couple of studies 40 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.840 here or there, a few people that have referenced it, but that's an 41 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:28.080 emerging thing that I think we'll see more of an uphology in the coming years, 42 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:32.159 is plasma research. I'm more interested in the psychology, the archetypes and 43 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:37.120 symbols and all of that, but I think plasma is probably the future for 44 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:39.520 a lot of UFO themed events. Yeah, so, how long can we 45 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:46.159 keep going on with the same but roswell, Yeah, we can't keep up 46 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:47.960 on the same thing over and over and over again. There has to be 47 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:57.199 some more logical and critical thinking explanations that are going to have to come to 48 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.639 light. Now I've been saying for a long time, I am now that 49 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:04.879 is going to shift into USOS, like they're going to start talking about underwater 50 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:11.520 submergible objects and very few people listen to me. But now people are starting 51 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:15.159 to talk about it now. I was talking about this last year, like 52 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.560 that's the direction it's going to go, because we got all this outer space 53 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:21.160 stuff and all the extra treasturals coming from But in order to switch that and 54 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:27.839 change it to something that's kind of more realistic but also kind of out there 55 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:30.680 at the same time, you know, we'll make it that they're from here, 56 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:36.360 that they've always been here, which is another kind of common motif, 57 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.800 but it's similar enough to where people can jump on board with that because they've 58 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:46.720 heard that for a really long time, that they've always been here, that 59 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.360 that they've been here for thousands and have been here a very long time. 60 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:54.959 Take a line right from the X Files. Yeah, well, you know, 61 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:59.639 I mean also historically, I mean we didn't humans. What I mean 62 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:04.279 by we humans didn't have the same kind of let's say water technology in the 63 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.360 past that we do today. I mean, there were obviously were boats and 64 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:13.560 maybe even some version of a submarine and some capacity in some cultures at least 65 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:16.040 a design for that or something like that, but obviously nothing like we have 66 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.839 today. So if you weren't in those environments, then you weren't going to 67 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:23.399 be picking those things up. You weren't going to be seeing them like the 68 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:27.319 military picks up today, whether that's on submarines or navy vessels. I mean, 69 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.240 there are records. I think it was Christopher Columbus. There's a record 70 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.959 in his diary of seeing strange lights come out of the water, So that's 71 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:41.360 been recorded for several hundred years as well a USO's I think you told me. 72 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:43.600 You said you thought usos were going to be a bigger thing, So 73 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.639 probably see more USO stuff. We'll probably see more plasma stuff. In terms 74 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.439 of what's coming for the future, I mean I have that from looking glass 75 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:56.000 technology. I know that for a fact that's coming. That technology. Well, 76 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.879 I got abducted. You know how I told you about that? Yeah? 77 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:03.160 Yeah, did they implant the looking glass technology into your heads? Right 78 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:09.959 here? Yeah, right right into the third eye. I'm sure you're want 79 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.959 to keep this more serious. On the serious note, though, please continue. 80 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:19.040 That's what happens when we get together. Yeah, the I just think 81 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:24.920 that it's interesting that the shift because you know, like back in the day, 82 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:27.360 it was you know, we all we all know the story of Kenneth 83 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:32.040 Arnold and how he'd never seen a flying saucer. He didn't he didn't describe 84 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:34.480 the shape of the craft as a flying saucer, but that took on a 85 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:40.399 life of its own. It became this frenzy topic that just developed and pretty 86 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:45.079 soon everyone was seeing flying saucers. Anything that they said, anything that they 87 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.079 saw strange in the sky, they were like, that was a flying saucer, 88 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.519 even though it wasn't shaped like that didn't look like a flying saucer. 89 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.600 It is funny because he had the way that it was, the way that 90 00:06:55.639 --> 00:07:00.439 he described what he saw is now what people begin began to see. So 91 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:04.800 what people were seeing back after his sighting wasn't necessarily the thing he saw, 92 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:11.759 which was a chevron triangular type or several triangular type chevron craft. They're seeing 93 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.600 after that, citing that he had. They're starting to see things that are 94 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:19.160 the description of what the media said that Kenneth Arnold saw, the description of 95 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:25.040 how it moved became the definition of the object itself, which that alone, 96 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.319 I think is you could write a whole book on that, I think, 97 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.920 to really explain what the phenomenon is and where where it came from, how 98 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.759 it developed in more modern times. And that's the thing with Roswell two in 99 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:42.199 nineteen forty seven. A lot of obviously the euphological community is focused on Roswell. 100 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:46.000 I've been to. Roswell's a fun place. I don't have anything against 101 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:47.079 it. I think it's a really fun event to go to, and they 102 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:51.480 have the anniversary. It's obviously good for tourism. It's part of the UFO 103 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:58.079 mythos and the history, but it's also sort of you only if you start 104 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.079 there and think that that's where everything begins, then you're missing at the base 105 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.560 minimum, you're missing foo fighters and ghost rockets from the previous decade and a 106 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.639 half during World War Two, and those are very significant things that play more 107 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:16.639 into the psychology of what the UFO phenomena is. And by psychology I mean 108 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:22.240 the stressors of World War two, just like during the Cold War, the 109 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.199 stressors of nuclear war, and people began to see more and more of these 110 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.360 objects, not only just in the sky, but they saw them over nuclear 111 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.360 facilities. Top secret nuclear facilities. I mean, I personally don't necessarily know. 112 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.799 I don't know how you feel about this. I don't necessarily believe that 113 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:46.159 there's any like EB type extraterrestrial biological entity type intelligence behind that. I think 114 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:52.080 that it might be a projection of our own unconscious a fear of nuclear weapons 115 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.440 and self destruction, just like we've heard a lot at this conference. I've 116 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:58.480 heard this all weekend in panels. I've heard discussions. I've heard people ask 117 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:03.080 questions to speakers, what can the aliens do to save us from climate change? 118 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.200 Or I've heard people suggest the aliens are going to save us from climate 119 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.679 change. And that's an old motif too. You know, people that saw 120 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:16.279 aliens or UFOs or had an interaction with them thirty forty, fifty sixty years 121 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.720 ago, we're saying the same thing. What did the aliens say to you? 122 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.159 They said to stop polluting the planet. It's the same exact story over 123 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:28.440 and over and over again. And we've always had stresses in society and things 124 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:33.279 that stress and bend society to the branking point, whether it's a mass of 125 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.480 war or it's the threat of nuclear annihilation, where you get a combination of 126 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.639 all that today, especially with the media focus and attention. Because everybody has 127 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.720 phones, they can look at it twenty four hours a day, so that 128 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:52.879 leaves the door open for people to I don't mean literally hallucinate, but in 129 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.840 a sense, almost like a psychic hallucination. We're looking for something to save 130 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:01.480 us, something externally and maybe what we're seeing and witnessing in some cases, 131 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.519 not all cases, but is sort of a projection of our own fears, 132 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:09.039 or projection of our own desires, the projection of things that humans very much 133 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.679 worry about. I don't know if it's really aliens that are worried about us 134 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:15.919 too much. I think we're worried about ourselves and that projects outward into the 135 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:20.159 external world and we create that. I agree absolutely, and that it gives 136 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:26.200 you the inside of the consciousness and how people were feeling after World War Two. 137 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.840 World War two was one of the biggest wars that the United States was 138 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.320 ever involved with. I mean a lot of people died during that time, 139 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.559 a lot of people recognized fearing for their lives during that time, and especially 140 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.919 with the V two rocket program, I mean you had new technologies and rockets 141 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.919 raining down out of the sky and people were more focused on the sky and 142 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:48.080 then you look up looking for rockets or looking for things above ea. During 143 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.639 war, there's new technologies, like the Germans had the in what the Emmy 144 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.919 city was the Messerschmid sixty two, that like a fighter jet, not a 145 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.840 propeller plane that was It wasn't I don't think it was mass produced. But 146 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:03.559 they had this fighter jet technology jet engine instead of a propeller plane, and 147 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.519 that's completely different. Nobody had ever seen something like that before. I mean 148 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.799 that in and of itself as alien. I think that's why a lot of 149 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:16.799 people say, well, the Germans must have gotten technology from the UFOs or 150 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.360 from the aliens, and we sort of dismissed the fact that humans can develop 151 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:24.879 really advanced technologies. It doesn't have to be aliens. To me, that 152 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.840 doesn't really make a lot of sense personally, but that's a separate thing, 153 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.159 I think. Yeah. And then we get into the Cold War, just 154 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:35.360 like you mentioned, and everyone worried about nuclear war, and then we have 155 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:43.600 all these sightings of you know, these objects over nuclear sites, you know, 156 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:52.320 and that's a self conscious projection of people's fears over the real threat of 157 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.720 nuclear war. If you think about it, what are those objects? Usually 158 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:01.360 they're balls of light, just like foo fire big balls of light, and 159 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:07.039 the balls of light traditionally are like a large, you know, illuminated sphere. 160 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.039 That's something that throughout all of human history has been an idea like has 161 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.080 been the symbol of the human soul or a symbol of the world soul, 162 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:22.360 like in alchemical texts, alchemical treatises, things like that you find that are 163 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.879 like illuminated manuscripts, any type of thing like that, you find references to 164 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.480 the world's soul. You find references to the human soul. And how it's 165 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:35.480 this illuminated ball. Not today we call that like orbs call it UFOs, 166 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.039 we call it even maybe ball lightning or you know, Saint Elmo's fire, 167 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:45.799 and a physics or scientific sense. So there's definitely a physics and scientific explanation 168 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:50.639 for it, but just the motif of it and the archetype of that illuminated 169 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.919 ball being kind of like a soul or kind of like an intelligence. And 170 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.799 it would make sense that it's not a mechanical object that's flying to a missiles 171 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:03.559 like a nuclear missile side maybe, but I don't think that makes as much 172 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:11.240 sense as humans collectively creating these kinds of things during times of stress, especially. 173 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:13.559 I mean, I would assume that it's not just that it's during the 174 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:18.399 Cold War, but you're working at a very sensitive nuclear installation, knowing that 175 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:20.000 at any moment you might be turning the keys. I mean, I can't 176 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.480 imagine that that's not at stressful job on top of everything else. That was 177 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:30.399 definitely a psychologically draining job being in that in the middle of nowhere. But 178 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:37.480 that's the type of excuse that people use for why weren't these craft around before 179 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.240 the fifties, you know what, I mean, why were we having these 180 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.840 sightings before World War Two? And they're like, oh, well, it 181 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:50.919 was because we dropped the nuclear bomb and Hiroshima and Nagasaki that the aliens from 182 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.480 off the planet became interested in us and they wanted to come and make sure 183 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:01.799 we don't blow ourselves up. Which is a sort of applause explanation if you 184 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:07.440 believe in the extraterrestrial hypothesis. I mean, it's a pretty good excuse, 185 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.759 right, but it doesn't really hold too much weight when you think about the 186 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:18.919 psychological implications of it. The trauma of war, the trauma of everyone being 187 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.480 on edge, the fear from the media, the fear from the what's going 188 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.200 to happen next? You know, and what kind of other war? Are 189 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:33.360 we safe in our own homes? Because I'm pretty sure that back in the 190 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:39.080 day they would do nuclear in schools. Yeah, duck and cover. They 191 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:41.919 would be like, yeah, they would have like whole programs that was. 192 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.320 And then you're scaring the children, right, get under under the kindling, 193 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:48.879 yeah, you know, for the bomb to go off. Right. And 194 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:54.440 also during during i mean during the late fifties, early sixties into the Apollo 195 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:00.000 years, what do we talk about? We talked about going to the moon? 196 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:05.799 Right, and so what is that? That's humans, new technologies invading 197 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:11.799 another planetary body, a moonment in our solar system. And I think thanks 198 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:16.480 in part to the nineteen fifty two Robertson Panel report, but also because of 199 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.480 the cultural and historical and the just the human significance of going to the moon, 200 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:26.080 whether you believe that or not, just the idea of that, I 201 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.080 mean, that made its way into pop culture in the sense of having beans, 202 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:35.399 humanoid type beans in new technologies that we've never seen that are advanced coming 203 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.080 and invading our planet. As we got ready with new technologies to go and 204 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:45.879 invade another world. Those two things they parallel each other, yes, yes, 205 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:48.559 yea. And also back to what you were saying just a moment ago 206 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.360 again, if you just started, you begin at roswell and you at base 207 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:58.159 minimum miss Foo fighters and things like ghost rockets back in the forties and late 208 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:03.759 thirties, mostly in the forties, and also the Battle of Los Angeles in 209 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.759 the early forties too, because that object was ethech Like, when was that 210 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.480 forty two or forty three? It was early forty three, I believe off 211 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:12.919 the top of my head, I believe it was early forty three. I 212 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:18.480 think it was February. That was a really interesting event, the Battle of 213 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:23.120 La But I'm pretty sure that there were reports because they fired at that craft 214 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:29.039 in fourteen hundred rounds, I think yeah, And there were reports that they 215 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:37.039 were hearing like the shells the bullets were like bouncing off the coorp just going 216 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.200 through it almost like well I read reports about that almost like it was, 217 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.480 and I talked about this in my one of my new books. It's almost 218 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:49.440 like if the object was Ethrek like, it was almost like almost like an 219 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.039 air spirit. It just goes right through it, which is very similar. 220 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:57.240 There's a military report from nineteen off the top of my head, I think 221 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:02.039 it was nineteen forty three as well, somewhere around there, maybe later from 222 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:03.519 Schweinfert, Germany. I don't know if we ever talked about this one. 223 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:10.599 They were US military planes flying over Schweinfurt and they ca this is in the 224 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:15.119 record. This isn't like something someone fabricated and explained later. And these objects 225 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:19.200 gle like fu fighters. They come up alongside the plane, but their disc 226 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.480 like craft. And this was before Kenneth Arnold, which is really weird. 227 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.759 They were disc type craft. It's how they kind of were explained. They 228 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:30.920 called them discs. And the report and they said the plane made contact with 229 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:36.079 them, and they heard they thought the plane had made contact with another plane 230 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:38.960 and they heard them metal you know, hit it, but it didn't do 231 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:41.480 any damage to the plane. And when they looked out to see what happened, 232 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.079 there was nothing there. It was almost like the way they described it 233 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.400 was. The plane basically flew through this etheric like object. And that was 234 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:52.839 around the same time as what was happening in California. I mean, I've 235 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.880 thought about it. I don't don't seriously think about it like this, but 236 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.599 just kind of plane with the idea. It almost seems like like from the 237 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:06.920 early forties onward, the idea of these illuminated balls, or the idea of 238 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:11.400 these flying disc type craft, even before Kenneth Arnold, they're etheric. It's 239 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:17.160 in the mind. They're in on battlefields. I mean, i La wasn't 240 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.640 a battlefield, but we were afraid the Japanese were going to invade. And 241 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:23.079 japan actually did attack the United States, not just Pearl Harbor. There was 242 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:27.359 one mainland attack. It was a submarine and an oil refinery in California. 243 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.759 Caused only a few hundred dollars in damage. So the Americans where we were 244 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.200 very afraid that the Japanese were going to attack California, so there was a 245 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.839 high people thought that's what was happening. And the Japanese denied that they had 246 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.799 any involvement in the Battle Los Angeles. But it's almost like these things were 247 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:45.480 etheric, and the more we stressed and worried about what was happening in the 248 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.519 skies, they began to manifest more and more, and then we get roswell, 249 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.119 and then they begin to get more solid, and then we get a 250 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:57.000 lot more abduction cases. It's almost like we've kind of literally brought this phenomenon 251 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:03.720 into physical manifestation existence. The battle. Did the Battle of La happened before 252 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.119 or after the United States entered into World War two? Because the United States 253 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:12.839 entered in late in the war, right late in the war, much later 254 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:18.880 in the war. When did they come in for two? I believe the 255 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.759 Battle Los Angeles was after we entered into the war, because we we were 256 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:26.480 afraid that the Japanese were going to invade already, we'd already declared war. 257 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:33.039 I believe that's interesting because it would have been really interesting if we didn't enter 258 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.079 into the war until after Until after the battle, the Aliens were trying to 259 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:41.160 get us involved in the well, because that leads credence to the people that 260 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:48.359 say, oh, well, we entered the war on the pretenses that we 261 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.880 knew that Germany had some form of a van stereo craft or whatever, that 262 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.400 they had American spies over there in Germany during World War two and they were 263 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:02.359 reporting back what they were seeing. And that's I mean, according to uphology, 264 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:06.519 right acording to the euthologist, that's kind of what got us under the 265 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:10.359 war. You know, you also have to look at. If you go 266 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:14.880 back before World War Two and the Foo fighters and ghost rockets and Arnold in 267 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.160 the late forties and atomic weapons and all of that, you go back far 268 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:21.160 enough, as we've talked about so many times, and you know, as 269 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:26.079 people like Carl Jung and many many others have pointed this out too, that 270 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.599 you have the evolution of the UFO phenomenon going back thousands of years, if 271 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:34.440 not tens of thousands of years, not just the beans or the creatures that 272 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:40.680 we associate with these objects or these lights in the sky, but the phenomenon 273 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:45.000 itself. It evolves. So it goes from usually on battlefields, soldiers seeing 274 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:52.559 boats and shields, pillars and things, cannons and Germany cannons and cannon balls 275 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.680 and things that they didn't understand what it was, so they described it in 276 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:59.960 terms of things they did understand, like a big wooden ship, right, 277 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.960 or a shield or a can in the cannonball. And then as time progresses 278 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:08.759 and we move more into modern times, the boat has become a space ship 279 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:14.759 because we know we have rockets and we have space shuttles, and that's so 280 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.559 widespread and probably pretty antiquated technology, but you got private companies that even do 281 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:22.799 that now. So the more and more we evolve technologically, the UFO phenomena 282 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:27.400 evolves with us. So it's kind of like that idea when a military plane 283 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.880 is chasing a ufhone and it can't either like it can't really keep up with 284 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.799 it, like it's always just a little bit further ahead. I don't know, 285 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:37.680 it's kind of just I think it's kind of like that with the phenomenon 286 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:38.839 in general. It's something that you can you're not going to be able to 287 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:44.440 catch it because it's part of us. And the more we move forward technologically 288 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:48.400 and in terms of understanding the world around us, it's just the more with 289 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:52.960 what we know or what yet or what we're yes, more we associate with 290 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.240 what we know, and the more we associate it with things that are the 291 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.359 phenomenon itself, with things that are always just a little bit more advanced than 292 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.680 we are, and that probably, like the science fiction, leads us to 293 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:07.759 make new advances. Because they were talking today there was a panel about gravitans 294 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:12.519 and looking for the gravity particle. Because there's a theory and there's a formula, 295 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:15.359 and then we build something, we try to find it and we try 296 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.960 to prove the theory right, and sometimes the theory is wrong and they have 297 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:21.680 to redo it. And then but if I mean, that's what you're looking 298 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.880 for and that's what you're in for, euthologists, they would say, well, 299 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.480 we have once we can understand that, maybe we can obtain the technology 300 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:32.599 to have some sort of interstellar flight because gravity wouldn't be a problem anymore. 301 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:36.440 And that's what the UFOs they say, they don't really have to worry about 302 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:40.279 gravity, right, they can just put their anti gravity vehicles. But that's 303 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:45.920 also I mean, i'd say separate science from euthology for a second. And 304 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.160 from a eufhological point of view, all these are also scientific, like they're 305 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:52.920 scientific like theories. Right. It's like, well, the UFOs must be 306 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.759 anti gravity. Well why do you think that, Well, because you heard 307 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:00.160 a thousand Discovery Channel, History Channel and all these other TV and documentaries say 308 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.680 it must be anty gravity or they have inertia cancellers. I remember that was 309 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.799 a really big thing, inertia cancelers. And then we start to develop this 310 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:12.519 idea that maybe if we develop that kind of technology, then we'll finally understand 311 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:17.039 what these things are. But it's all coming from the human mind. I 312 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:21.680 don't think not an alien mind. I agree with that one dred percent. 313 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:27.279 And that's what we really need to It's important to have these types of conversations 314 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:33.319 because we can't just narrow the whole phenomenon down to like one specific thing. 315 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:40.920 But that also is a trap as well, and also why the community is 316 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:45.000 really fragmented, because everyone has their own thoughts and their own ideas about what 317 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:49.200 the phenomenon is, and then that creates this fracturing effect. You know, 318 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:52.880 you have all the conscious people and the spiritual and the New Age people think 319 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:57.480 that it's a spiritual phenomenon. You have another group that thinks that it's you 320 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:03.279 know, terrestrials. You have a group that thinks that it's crypto terrestrials. 321 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:07.519 You got people think that it's an ancient civilization that's been here on the planet 322 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.599 for a long time, that it's the Atlanteans. You have another group people 323 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:14.960 think that it's all the military, you know, and it's all the fracturing 324 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:22.519 doesn't really move the conversation forward, Yeah, it brings it to like a 325 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:29.519 complete standstill because people are just bickering and arguing within the group. It's like 326 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:33.680 what Bill Cooper was talking about in this conference in nineteen eighty seven, the 327 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:37.440 move on the conference. He was like, the community is its own worst 328 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:45.599 enemy. And you can apply that same topic and that same statement to all 329 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:51.599 of the communities, any of it, any truth or community, conspiracy, 330 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:56.279 community, athology community. There's people that are Bigfoots interdimensional. No Bigfoot's just 331 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:02.000 a spiritual apparition, No Bigfoots of physical hairy monster. And there's there's little 332 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.720 communities that it's okay to have theories and it's okay to discuss them, but 333 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:08.599 it's not okay to get stuck in that echo chamber. Yeah, And then 334 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:15.680 I feel like that's what it's what it's really done. It's not even about 335 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.759 bringing new knowledge or new thoughts or new ideas, because normally when people have 336 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.880 a new thought or a new idea, it gets like squashed really quickly, 337 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:27.440 Like people come down on it hard, you know, because the people that 338 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:37.039 you know pave the way for other people are normally bashed in the beginning and 339 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:38.839 they're like, oh, you're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about. 340 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:44.079 I've done so much more race art trying, you got all lesson William 341 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:48.319 Tomkins, Bob Dean. If you want to know the real truth, you 342 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.160 know. And I've heard that kind of thing so many times. Yeah, 343 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:56.200 it's a it's a recurring thing over and over again, and it's unfortunate because 344 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:03.559 everything should be and it accepted to a certain degree. But everyone has their 345 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:11.000 own really confirmed ideologies. Like I have no problem listening to someone that thinks 346 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:15.039 that, you know, extraterrestrials are real. That doesn't mean that I'm not 347 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.720 going to say my thoughts, opinions, and beliefs on it. They have 348 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.880 the right to believe whatever they want to believe. I think it's all so 349 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.680 difficult because we all think a little bit differently, and that's what makes humans 350 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.759 unique. And we are all good at certain things and not good at other 351 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.799 things, and we have to work certain things and other things. Even if 352 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:34.960 we work at them, we're still not good at them. Is that if 353 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.880 you try to explain, like I've tried to explain, I'm not like a 354 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.000 genius. I'm just someone who can read books, and I read books and 355 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.640 I learn things, and I just you know, the idea of the oldest 356 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.839 flying saucer is not back in the nineteen forties. It's four or five ten, 357 00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.039 Who knows how many thousands of years old. It's the Sun. It's 358 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:57.359 a disc flies through the sky and every day or in the evening, it 359 00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:03.680 crashes in the land of shadow. That was the Egyptian story of Ra's sunboat, 360 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.480 or in Japan Amatatasu's you know her. I don't know if they ever 361 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:10.359 called it a boat, but she was the personification of the sun, and 362 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:14.559 the sun would rise and then it would crash. It's actually a very similar 363 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:19.039 you know, there's a correlation between Jesus's story of resurrection and death, resurrection 364 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:25.720 and death and the UFO story of these extraterrestrials or this flying saucer. I 365 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.319 know, those two things to people like you and I aren't necessarily the same. 366 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.839 But yeah, a flying saucer, a flying disc and then crashing, 367 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:38.799 and then we recover the bodies, like Christ's body, and then we create 368 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:42.920 this whole narrative around. It's a very similar thing going on there. And 369 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:48.920 the Sun is the oldest flying disc. It is the original flying disc. 370 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:55.119 But unless someone's read Joseph Campbell or Carl Jung, or they've studied you know, 371 00:27:55.279 --> 00:28:00.119 basic like archtypical symbology, it's okay, they don't know that, but 372 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.759 it's hard to explain that to someone who's very hell bent on no it was 373 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:10.799 nineteen forty seven, Roswell. What's interesting is like you would think that's something 374 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:15.119 that you would see every day, like the sun that would come up and 375 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.640 rise and then set and then when it says it gets dark, and that 376 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:26.119 happens every day for all of eternity, like all of our existence here, 377 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.079 Like you think that they would kind of wise up a little bit and be 378 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.359 like, you know, figure it out that this is a light source and 379 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.480 this is always here. It's not. I mean, it is extraordinary that 380 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:42.440 we have a sun, but it's not extraordinary to the a point where it's 381 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:48.920 anomalous. You know, it happens every single day. So it's like, 382 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.799 wonder what. I'm sure that they thought, oh man, this, what 383 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.319 is this? What is up on the sky? About? How long can 384 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.680 you think that exact same thing? But I mean, I probably I don't 385 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.640 know what civilization was like back then. I don't know what they were thinking. 386 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.720 I don't know what they were doing. It's probably all survival. And 387 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.480 it might be how we interpret it too. It might be that it wasn't 388 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:14.200 a literal interpretation for most people that they were really legitimately afraid the sun wasn't 389 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:17.200 going to come back. I mean that could have been the common person, 390 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.960 priestly class didn't believe that, or it could just be our interpretation of the 391 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.359 past, like we thought, oh, they're so primitive, they didn't have 392 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.160 iPhones, so they must have thought the sun went away when they were really 393 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:32.599 telling a more complex story about nature. Yeah, that could be a worry 394 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.720 that the sun doesn't come back. And we do really kind of take a 395 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:40.960 lot of things for granted in our reality, like the sun and the moon 396 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.000 and the stars. You know, it's like a everyday part of our reality. 397 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:52.119 But then there's the other part of this, where as society evolves, 398 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:57.440 then we realized that that is a naturally occurring phenomenon that's a part of our 399 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:02.319 reality. But then now we would class why that is science exactly, it's 400 00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:07.319 a scientific discovery. So I don't think that anything else that may actually be 401 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:15.400 anomalous won't be able to be explained. That's what it really means. That's 402 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:19.519 what we're talking about here, is that the things that we see now are 403 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:23.039 going to be explained at some point in the future. Just like the people 404 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.920 that was calling the sauna disk and thinking that it was like a craft or 405 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:32.680 whatever it is that they thought is later on explained by science and a natural 406 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:37.400 current phenomenon. Yeah, but then again you also get NASA, who well, 407 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.599 when we had the eclipse a few months ago in twenty twenty four, 408 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:48.279 you had NASA quite literally reenacting an old Egyptian ritual where they would fire projectiles 409 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.359 at the sun during an eclipse to prevent the serpent apep from consuming it. 410 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.759 So, despite the fact that I completely agree with you it's a scientific discovery, 411 00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:02.559 we still reenact the ancient story in the ancient myths because they hold i 412 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:07.960 think, symbolic power, subconscious unconscious power, and affects people that are performing 413 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.759 those rituals, you know, as much, maybe maybe more, but as 414 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.799 much at least as it does the common person. Whether you've ever heard of 415 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:21.000 apep or any of these myths. They're so embedded in culture, They're so 416 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:25.599 embedded in the psyche and probably your genetics, like it's the very basis of 417 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.440 what makes us human. Generation after generation after generation of the same stories and 418 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.559 the same and living in the same environments. It's probably embedded right in your 419 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:40.519 DNA to some extent. Yeah, ancestral like a memory. Yeah, you 420 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:44.960 know, and there's also I mean there are there are so many different ways, 421 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.559 like you said, like we alluded to earlier, to break down the 422 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:52.720 UFO subject to break down or now the UAP subject. Everybody wants to either 423 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.960 control the narrative, like the Vatican wants to control the narrative, and they 424 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.599 want to well years ago they said they'd baptize an alien. Now the Vatican 425 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.200 is basically saying that, you know, the door's open for this kind of 426 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:09.279 life to exist. You've got the US federal government sort of playing every side 427 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:15.240 of taking every angle, but sort of using the same playbook as we discussed 428 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:20.039 back from the nineteen forties and nineteen fifties. It's kind of the same answers 429 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.799 we got back then that we're getting today. And then you have you know 430 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:29.920 more I think powerful citizen groups and movements that are doing their own investigation into 431 00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:31.920 it. Like you have all these different people that want to control the narrative. 432 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:37.119 Even within ufology you have again the spiritualist type people, the mechanical physics 433 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:42.440 type people, and everybody goes at each other and argues over what the narrative 434 00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.200 is, or you involve politics in it, and what are the aliens can 435 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.039 to do about climate change? You think the aliens? How do we deal 436 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.400 with racism with aliens? You know? Yeah, that kind of and it's 437 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.960 funny, but that's true. There's some people that really think, like, 438 00:32:55.200 --> 00:33:00.559 well, what if the aliens are white? What if they're black? What 439 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:07.440 if they're green? Was you know with then that kind of in racism though, 440 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.559 like what if they are green? And what if they come down in 441 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.960 their green I don't know, I don't know. Maybe what was that movie 442 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.920 District nine where the aliens were sort of discriminated against and kept in that ghetto. 443 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.680 That's exactly what we would do. That's probably what we would do too. 444 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:31.720 Yeah, so it's white people's faults. We quarantined the aliens. Yeah, 445 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.359 crucify him and put them in the crappy neighborhood ridicule. There was one 446 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.039 little thing we were talking about yesterday that I think is probably relevant to this. 447 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.519 I was reading this old was published in the seventies, this old book. 448 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.079 I showed it to you. It was just like a history of magic 449 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.160 or occultism. And the guy that wrote the book was he had a brief 450 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.000 overview of like supernatural beings, and he was talking about fairies, and he 451 00:33:55.079 --> 00:34:00.920 was talking about elves and different creaturesacters, deities from all over the world and 452 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:07.639 the comparisons between them and Hindu and the Hindu religion or in Christianity call him 453 00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:14.280 demons or whatever. But he was talking about how elves and fairies they always 454 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.679 have green skin or they always have green clothing. But I didn't know this 455 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.360 about elves in the tradition. Elves not only are they good with technology, 456 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.199 which like the machine elves with DMT, I knew that, but I didn't 457 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:34.199 know that elves in the lore actually have a cosmic origin according to this particular 458 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.039 book, and it's an older book, has nothing to do with UFOs. 459 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:38.599 So I was thinking, well, you've got these little green men that are 460 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:43.800 really good with machines that come from the cosmos. And this is a we 461 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.880 don't don't know how old those those stories are, four or five hundred, 462 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.519 one thousand years old. Like, I mean, that's pretty similar to how 463 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:57.119 we view the same kind of thing today. Subject today, and the whole 464 00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.920 idea of even like demons and angels and all that. I mean, that's 465 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:06.079 also evolved over time too, because that's like a that's kind of like a 466 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.440 comical thing that people argue about demons. Are they demons? Are the aliens 467 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.679 or the aliens? Are they demons? Maybe they're the same thing, Maybe 468 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:14.119 they're not the same thing, Maybe they're two different things. But really, 469 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:19.239 like our idea of supernatural beans has changed over time too, Like these creatures 470 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.199 from some other place. Maybe the demons came up from Hell. Now it's 471 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.960 like some sort of reptilian alien that wants to torture us and eat us. 472 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.400 And the Paladians are these tall, beautiful, white, angelic like beans. 473 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.840 They're here to save us. Right. And you can go to holy sites 474 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.719 too, like Roswell's a holy site. You can venture there and take a 475 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:44.880 pilgrimage. Holy books nothing against people like von Danic intersition, but those are 476 00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.400 holy books that you're not allowed to question. It's blasphemous to question those books. 477 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.960 There are I would say Ufo saints. There are people in the UFO 478 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:58.840 community that you're not allowed to question. They've got sainthood from the from the 479 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:04.360 leadership of the people local cult. They've been ordained, got their fish bishop 480 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.599 hat. So that's there's a there's a correlation there too. I mean there's 481 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:13.320 a religious element that it's I wouldn't say it's turned into I think it's always 482 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.400 been that, especially as you know better than I do, all the different 483 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:23.440 UFO cults they pull heavily from that lore. Absolutely they do, and they 484 00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:28.039 regurgitated whether they know it or not. They have taken a lot of the 485 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:32.119 talking points and a lot of the ideas from those UFO cults and turned it 486 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.079 into their own. And that's something that not a lot of people know about 487 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:42.679 either. That's why I did that series UFO Doomsday Cults, was to let 488 00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.960 people know their ideology and their thought process and where a lot of this stuff 489 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:51.239 comes from. Because you can go back and study all those UFO cults and 490 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:55.360 you can see that almost all those talking points are the same talking points that 491 00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:01.039 people use today, even like love and light here, love and light a 492 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:05.000 lot. That's not a new thing. It's been around for a very very 493 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.119 long time. A lot of the talking points, you're right, same talking 494 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:12.400 points over and over again. We just might interpret them or apply them differently. 495 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.440 Just like with whatever we're seeing a thousand years ago in the sky, 496 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.199 we might call it a boat, not today we called a spaceship. And 497 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.719 who knows what we'll call it in a thousand years. It's just like the 498 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.880 Bible, right, Like you can open up the Bible and you can find 499 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:29.280 something that somehow relates to what you're going through in this exact moment. God, 500 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.079 God helped you to find that passage. I open it performing some bibliomancy. 501 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.079 Yeah, yeah, you could probably do it with some alien UFO books. 502 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.840 Right. What are the aliens want me to know? Right there? 503 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:46.800 They're going to save us from climateation? Please aliens, please save us from 504 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:53.920 climate ashtar galactic commands save us Brian, Thanks brother, you got appreciation. 505 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.199 Fun conversation. Let people know where they can find you online. Yep, 506 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.679 the Secret Teachings dot int the www dot the Secret Teachings that info. 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