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back a friend of the show, shoeing the Ruiner. Good to see you,
my friend. What is up, man, How are you good?
Good dude, Just when you think you figured out the secret space program,
brou like, something else pops up and it's like, wow, I'm mind
blower. And it was interesting because I seen this documentary pop up on Netflix
and I was like, it's called here's a picture of it, the program
cons Cults and kidnapping. This this is primarily what we're going to be discussing
this evening. Is this Netflix documentary series that came out just a little over
a week ago. And I saw it on there and I was like,
Okay, well, Netflix has been doing some really interesting stuff as of recent
They did the Royal Alien Profit documentary, which I covered in UFO Doomsday Colts
Part two or three, I believe, and I was like, they've been
doing a lot of stuff with colts here recently. So I started watching this
documentary and I'm like, holy crap. I actually couldn't believe that it was
on Netflix. And they've been doing a lot of really good stuff. They
just came out with another one called American Conspiracy The Octopus Murders, which is
a whole other huge rabbit hole to go down. But as soon as I
got done watching this documentary. It's a three part series, three episode series,
and I contacted, like, I sent everyone that I possibly could think
of, like to watch this documentary. And I messed you and I was
like, dude, you got to watch this documentary. It makes so much
more sense now, and you were like, I just watched it. I
was like, Wow, what a synchronicity there. So I guess give us
your thoughts without giving too much of the plot away, because we're going to
get into it as we're going along here tonight. Your initial thoughts on this
documentary, Well, my initial thoughts were actually just a pure annoyance because I
kept seeing that picture getting shared all over the place with some kind of commentary
attached to it that I didn't think was appropriate for what I knew the series
was going to be about, and so I was a little bit annoyed right
from the beginning. I almost wasn't going to watch it, but then I
decided to watch it because I was so annoyed. And I have mixed feelings
after having watched it, but I'm glad that it's out there. For sure.
I've been saying for a long time with related to these programs that some
of them get confused with WASP programs, and everyone kept pointing me back to
this space program being like, yeah, lost programs. I was like,
no, not those programs, but these programs and the behavioral behavioral modification programs
for the troubled teen industry that popped up mid to late nineties ran really hard
into the early two thousands and still run to this day. So for that
reason, I'm very glad that this got made, because that's what they're discussing.
Yeah, And as soon as I from the first episode, they talk
about how their parents basically pay this company, this behavioral modification company that runs
these facilities. Parents pay these companies' money to come in and abduct their children
in the middle of the night. Some of them were tied up and they'll
wake up in like three in the morning and with two gentlemen standing over them
and tell them that they need to come with them, and then they get
into a blacked out suv. Then they go to one of these facilities.
They don't know what's going on. They have a majority of them just was
not told about this process and what was going to happen to them. And
I'm like, that sounds very similar to what a lot of these secret space
program super Soldier people talk about being abducted in the middle of an a lindful
of not knowing where they're going, and they go to some facility. I'm
like, well, the trauma of that, and we've spoken about trauma several
times before, and how our brains can you know, create something based on
trauma that didn't actually really happen. So I know that you've spoken a little
bit. You've made comments about behavioral modification groups. I think even on the
show. I'd have to go back and listen to some of our past episodes,
but you've spoken kind of fluently fluently about it, just like, yeah,
some of these programs are like just behavioral modification programs. So what is
that initial because that's the first thing that they really talk about. In Paris,
Hilton had this exact same thing happened to her as well, and she
was taken to a facility in New Mexico Provo Provlo or something like that.
It starts with what's it called. I think it's Provo Island, yea provo
provo something like that, And I think that it's in New Mexico. I
believe either in New Mexico or Arizona. But this has happened to it seems
like a lot of people. And this documentary mostly focuses on upstate New York
at this facility called Ivory Ridge. So what do you think about this,
because it's obviously a legal to do that, Like you can't pay a company
to come and kidnap your child, like, and they plainly say that they're
kidnapping people, especially in this other documentary that you told me about to watch.
I want to bring this right here at Hell Camp, which is another
in Netflix original documentary, Like the wife of the guy that ran this camp
that was in Utah straight up said that they were kidnapping and abducting children.
Yeah, it's human trafficking, it's kidnapping, it's child abuse. It's all
over the place, and it still happens. It has been happening, like
I said, since mid indies, and yeah, the EMA is usually the
same. The thing that I wanted to point out before I forget is that
we aren't talking about teens who are like heavily troubled, like the even the
girl who made the program documentary, I think she said what they caught her
with a MIC's hardly emanade. Right, like, it was a very minimum
thing. It's not like she had an ongoing history of violence so or malajusted
behavior in any sort of way. It was just parents being like, I
don't want to deal with my kids. Essentially before they had the potent version
of the Internet to take over that parental role. This was just a different
version of that. And the significant part of it is that they went after
the parents, and the documentary did a good job of pointing that out as
well, that they would induct the parents into a what is essentially a cult
and convince them that they need to do this, and then yeah, all
of the cult like behavior plays out before that, but before we kind of
get into it. The reason why I was kind of annoyed is just the
name the program, which obviously that's no fault of the lady who made this.
She did a great job with documentary. I'm glad she made it,
and she's not in on it. She just called it the program because that
makes sense because they repeat those words the program, the program. The program
could have very easily been called the academy, could have been called the Academies
or a bunch of other things. But I guess it's the New age community
or the alternative community taking it as meaning the programs that we've been talking about
for all of this time, right, So just run back through that.
You know what people call the illuminaudi. It's made up of cults, projects
and programs, and they take the cults in the programs and they make projects
out of them, which is all that you hear like Project Stargate, mk
Ultra, all of that type of stuff is what they've figured out by human
testing in secret, very illegally cults, mixing the two together and bringing out
stuff like this, And what we get to hear about is the project level
of all of this stuff. So mk Ultra had stages to it that you
know, they realized they wanted to roll it out on the public, and
this was one of those stages. Is these programs that they were running not
only teams through through this method, but it also found its way into universities
and like HR or HR programs through different corporations and a lot of different things
ended up being molded after this, which is if you watch this, you're
going to hear a lot of parallels between this and things like alcoholics anonymous or
narcotics anonymous, like all of these programs, right, So that's where my
annoyance came from. But overall, they show you the model of how this
all works, and they do show what I've been saying about, how they've
been taking what they learned through the underground experimentation mk ultra and then putting that
into a public sector so that we normalized it and from there once the technology
was available. Now they just do it to the public on a regular basis.
But when you listen to the program that they run these kids through,
you're really going to hear the echoes of that. Yeah, And it seems
like especially the school in upstate New York called Ivy Ridge that I believe was
shut down in two thousand and eight, it was an mk ultra school.
That's what all the video and the archival footage that they show in the documentary.
The program cons cults and kidnapping is standard mk ultra programming, like repeating
phrases over again. There was that one those two girls that were re enacting
the thing like hands up, hands over, hands the side, hands together,
that whole thing. That's that's psychic driving. And in the hell Camp
documentary that you had me watch, which was like the precursor to a lot
of these programs. They talk about that that's what they were doing. They
were deprogramming these kids then to put in another program, which is exactly what
the MK Ultra programs were doing as well. And the first one, the
original one, that Hell Camp one, was done through straight up trauma.
They were just marching these kids through the desert with nothing right. And then
each step it I don't know how much you watched. I don't want to
give it away or make too many spoilers, but each step throughout the journey,
they presented them something which seemed like it was making the journey easier,
but was actually technically making the journey harder, and the kids weren't noticing that
because it was presented as something that was benefiting them. It's amazing to see.
Yeah, the Hell Camp one was kind of like a PG version of
the Newest documentary and kind of tried to glorify in a way the runner of
the Utah Wilderness Behavioral Modification program, where they would just have kids hiking through
the mountains of Utah for like sixty days, sixty seventy days. But it's
the same exact premise as what they're talking about in the program conscults and kidnapping,
is that they were also abducted, like the kids were abducted within the
Ivy Ridge programs, in the programs in Arizona and possibly some in New Mexico.
Hell Camp has that kind of anti woke sling to it, like conservative
right sling to it, where they're like kind of expressing it in away,
like kids need this, and how dare they like like demonize this man who
presented this. But you can the idea is that you see the program within
it. It's the same stuff we've all been talking about. And you know,
the unfortunate reality is there's a lot of people within the audience of the
more extreme Secret Space program Super Soldier people who are talking about these and calling
them programs or have memories of these. They talk in the Hell Camp one
about the hallucinations people would have and how they would have their like come to
Jesus moments while they're out there mountain in the desert, and same with the
other one, and then also kind of how it left them afterwards. They
were all very vulnerable, and it's like with most cults, you end up
finding other cults just after you get out of the first one, right,
you kind of jump out of one into another in a lot of cases,
And so that was shown, and yeah, a lot of very interesting parallels
between things we've been talking about over the last couple of years, I guess
now, and what these kids went through. Yeah, and in this documentary,
it's they would also do the psyche driving in another way, not only
having the kids repeat phrases and like doing like actions and stuff, but they
would also use music. It was commented on that they would use Stanley Kubrick's
two thousand, the opening of two thousand and one of Space Odyssey, and
they would repeat it over and over and over and over again. And the
people that were a part of these this behavioral modification schools, like, yeah,
I can't even anytime that I hear that song, it's like I automatically
am like almost triggered back to being in this behavioral modification school which is just
another version of MK ultra and the torture aspect of what they were doing to
these children in these schools. And I think that the most alarming part about
it, Shane, is that, see, I had heard of these types
of schools before, but I didn't really know that it was something that was
still going on. I thought that it was kind of like over with it.
I heard of like camps and certain things like that, and I had
actually met a girl when I was out in California where I worked, and
she said that she was at one of these schools and she was abused and
that she was basically tortured and she has like a lot of traumas around and
whenever she was telling me, she was just like crying about it. I'm
like, holy crap. I didn't really bring that back to my mind until
I watched this documentary on Nuts and I'm like, holy crab. This girl
was, which I didn't doubt her at all, because she showed me some
pictures and they were all in like a uniform and it was like a military
type. It was like dress blues, like they were in like dress blues
like the Navy would wear. And I was just like, holy crap,
this is really a thing. And You're totally right the occult and ritualistic aspect
of this, because this documentary really shows that the parents were being just as
brainwashed as the kids were being, Like they had these parents coming in like
what did they say, like once a month or once every week or something
like that, and doing these weird rituals. They would have them cross dressing.
They'd have the men dressing up as women and the women dressing up as
men. They would all stand in circles and do like weird meditations and all.
I'm like, this is wild. Why I said it was a project
which was a combination of programs and cults. The cults were there to hold
the parents. And you see, I want don't spoil it for the people
are going to watch it, but you'll see the way that they controlled the
communication between everybody as well, how they kept their secrets and all of that
stuff. And there's even the comment about how eventually with technology they couldn't do
that anymore and that led to a downfall of a lot of these schools.
But anyways, you know, this is what's going on, is they have
the parents indoctrinated and then the kids are indoctrinated through force, and that combination
of the two of them. You know, we're hearing from kids in which
the program didn't take as well, which you have to consider, right,
how about all of the ones that it turned out that did take. That's
something that we need to get really heavily considered too, because that's you know,
I already mentioned like wokeness, we've were like that mentality out in the
public. That's where it came from as well, was they were programming it
through that people would then go out and then live their lives, have babies
with people who are probably in those type of programs too. By making a
new generation of people who were, it's almost like step forward wiving them in
a way that and that's the side that didn't take And so a lot of
different layers to what's going on there, and that was the part that I
really liked that she did her best to go down as many rabbit holes that
it led to as she could, but she also made it very clear that
there was a lot of stuff she just couldn't investigate because it was too much,
and she would come to walls where they wouldn't let her investigate anymore.
And then I'm sure that Netflix also probably threw some shit out on her as
well. So you know, I pointed out the one that was pretty obvious
that's hinted too, but never actually got to with the Clintons in there,
right, And then there's other ones like that like even the fact that they
wouldn't let her come into Canada, which was telling because I've, like I've
been saying, there's a lot more activity up here than but we have a
communist liked control up here. Sorry, Justin Trudeau is a lovely man and
he's exactly the leader we need. But but you know, it's been a
lot easier to control information in our country than it ever was in the stage
just to begin with. And quite obviously they are still getting away with doing
this in the States. But yeah, that's that's what it is. Well,
that's all a lot of the MK Ultra programs. That's where they went
as well. They went to Canada after they were basically shut down in the
United States. No Boltrisa. Sometimes they reward you for compliance, especially taking
medication, and wonder if that's in the dock as well. Well. Paras
Sultan talks about how they were forcing her to take medication and then she started
not taking it, and then they found it, and then she got into
she got put in isolation. And that's another really interesting thing about this.
That's how they would they would punish these kids that didn't comply with the program,
right, they would put them in like isolation in these little tiny rooms
for days, and sometimes we make the drugs. After for making them the
drugs exactly, they would drug them up and then they would lock them away
like that and the only other thing that I got was just more drugs.
And so, yeah, hallucinating is an interesting thing. We always think about
it as you know, conjuring images in front of ourselves, but a lot
of it just has to do with what we fill in our memory with after
the fact. You hear that when you hear people talk about AI is hallucinating,
because what an AI hallucinating is is what it doesn't have the information,
so it just makes it up. That's an AI hallucinating, and we hallucinate
in the same way. Yeah, it's a it's so wild the tortuous conditions
that these kids were in. And that's one of the things that she was
like, well, once I got out of this this Ivy Ridge school in
New York, and then I couldn't process it, she said, she didn't
process it for like four or five years. She just like kept herself busy
doing all this other stuff. And if you notice, whenever she's trying to
talk to that one of the counselors from a school that's inside of that church
that they could get video inside. They just got audio. And he's like,
well, why didn't you come and do this sooner or whatever? And
she was like, well, we didn't have the proof then we didn't.
Because that's another part of another level of all this is that their parents didn't
believe them the things that they were telling them that they went through. And
according to the documentary, a lot of the parents still don't believe the children
and the abuse and the mind control type scenarios that they were put into in
these schools. And that also rolls into the Secret Space program people and the
Super Soldier people as well, because I guarantee if you were to ask their
parents, do you remember Johnny being gone for twenty years and then being sent
back and twenty years later as a little kid, you know they're gonna say,
no, that never happened, just like what they're seeing here, that
this torture in these the mind control operations and the way that they went about
treating these kids in these programs. Their parents are saying, oh, no,
this didn't happen either. Yeah, And then this again, like the
with the layers, another layers, like she was only able to do it
through academies, but we also had military versions of this, right, we
had FBI versions of this, We had CIA versions of this. In Canada,
we have what we called reform schools, different things like that run from
the school through the churches, which we're all very similar to, you know,
what we called residential schools for First Nations people up here in Canada.
It's it's a pretty widespread series of programs that they're uncovering here with this documentary.
But you can tell, you know, she came up to those walls
where she could only talk about what was in front of her, which is
a good eye opening way to just dig your dip your toes into the entire
program and hopefully more people will investigate into it and look deeper and find other
connections in other times. But another interesting part was whenever she called I think
it was an adoption center. This was like in the second or third episode
where she not the adoption center but a behavioral health behavioral modification school for adopted
children, and the person on the phone told her that the state of California
funds and in sponsors this program. Yeah, another little thing is there's some
congressional hearings that get shown in there that have to do with the schools.
But the whole reason that ever got the light of day to begin with because
they're already running this program, this probe on missing children. You remember the
milk cart and kids and things like that. They were already running this congressional
probe on missing children, which led them to opening those files about the academies.
But my point in bringing that up is this has been a feeder system
for every type of human trafficking you could possibly think of. What better way
than to, oh, sorry, your kid ran away, or you know,
maybe they died in there, but you can't see the body because remember
they mentioned things like that, how any time anyone will get sick, parents
weren't allowed to see them. Anytime anyone got harmed, parents weren't allowed to
see them. People dying took a long time to get their children's remains back
from these schools. Things loved that nature as well, So it does you
know, the other whole rabbit hole of it being a feeder to the type
of programs that I've been talking about all along as well. Right, it's
because one thing they mentioned in that which I know was something you wanted to
bring up, so I'll let you ranch on this a bit. Is how
it seemed like all of the kids that they were collecting were creatives. That's
right. It's commented on in this documentary that this is a way to get
rid of creative children. It's a way to get rid of artists, it's
a way to get rid of future thought leaders, is a way to get
rid of musicians. And I found that really interesting. There's things that's written
all over the walls in this now abandoned Ivy Ridge School that's like, this
is where children, this is the taker of children's souls. This is where
kids souls go to die. And that's, you know, very true.
I mean the way that they because it's a very traumatizing act one just being
abducted out of your home in the middle of the night and taken to one
of these facilities. And I believe that one of the first girls said that
she got there the maker and the creator of this documentary. Whenever she walked
in she was like, oh, well, let me go get my other
bag out of the car, and they're like, no, you're never,
You're not allowed to leave. You never allowed to go outside again, you
know, and then all of the behavioral modification things that they were talking.
They weren't able to look out windows, they weren't able to talk to each
other. That was the really big one that I haven't really looked into any
of the other schools that were going on at that time to see if it
was this brutal as the one at Ivy Ridge. But the one at Ivy
Ridge no one was allowed to talk. None of the kids were allowed to
talk to each other or even look at each other. Like how devastating would
that be to a young kid's mind? Like kids are super talkative, kids
want to talk to each other and like touch each other and have that interaction
with each other, and they weren't allowed to do that. They would get
like docked in. It was some kind of point system or whatever, or
some kind of merit system that you had to do everything right in order to
graduate up into next levels of this program. And apparently the third and fourth
level of the program was completely different than the first two levels or the way
that they explained it right, but that required you be fully accepting of everything
that they were telling you to do. So all of the mind control tactics,
all of the not talking, you know, doing everything they I mean,
there's so much footage in the documentary of like harassment and abuse. What
did they call it restraining? They called it restraining right where someone would do
one little thing and then they would just like sit on top of them,
knock them to the ground and then like lay on them or sometimes it was
like three or for staff members like with their knees on these kids. And
I believe it was in that documentary as well where one got shut down.
I believe because a kid died because he was being restrained. I think it
was in that document It was like in a cafeteria or something in this kid
like through a cup or some food or something, and then they restrained him.
As a recent video, that's one that's open today, Like that was
something that just happened just before that documentary actually came out. But yeah,
the other part that is important is the staff at these places. And because
that's always a question right about you know, like who would do these type
of things, Well, they give you a look into the type of people
who would do these type of things and why as well with this documentary about
people like him just doing the job or they were already fucked up people.
Sorry for my miguage, they were already messed up people who you know,
saw a job posting and then got into this environment where like I'm allowed to
do this to people, sweet right, and with no condentials, no certifications
and none of it. They it's wild. And they tried to contact a
few of them, and none of them were remorseful. Well, I think
one of them were. I think the one lady that they met in the
in at a restaurant where they started filming and then they were asked to leave
the restaurant, I think she was remorseful, but a majority of them that
contacted them, they weren't remorseful at all, Like that one girl that was
a part of the documentary that because apparently they were faking drug tests in this
Ivy Ridge school and they were saying that these kids were heavily on drugs and
that they were going to die. And this one girl, her entire relationship
with her family got ruined because she wasn't doing any drugs, she wasn't drinking
or anything, but she went to the school and they faked a drug test
on her to light up all the drugs on the drug test, and then
this counselor was like calling her all these names and like harassing her and calling
her a crackhead and like a drug addict and all this, and that counselor
was telling her parents all this stuff, and this girl's like, I never
did any of this. And then she finally got the proof. She found
the drug test in the abandoned school in New York at Ivy Ridge, and
then went and put the drug test in the counselor's mailbox. And her biggest
trouble was the fact that she was like the poster girl for it all too.
She was the pretty young girl that they were taking all the pictures of
and one of the first with the ones like anytime they would have bring a
parent to the facility, they only had select kids that they would show to
the parents runs the ones that had completed to certain levels of the program and
even to that program pyramid structure. We've all heard that before, right,
Like, that's not new. We know exactly where they got that idea from,
but it worked exactly the same way. The only difference between that and
scientology is there's in a monetary value involved, where you know, if you
want to get your kid into level five, then you're going to have to
pay us more money, right, because they didn't need to do that.
They were already making a shit ton of sorry inviting my language again, a
ton of money by selling kids on the side, which is the you know,
the thing that she again hinted at, but also made it pretty clear
she wasn't allowed to talk about in the documentary. Yeah, and the way
that the parents were because whenever they were first brought into these programs, apparently
these behavioral modification schools told the parents that they're going to try and lie to
you, like, don't listen to anything that they're going to tell you about
the program because they're lying, which is a crazy, wild manipulation technique just
right out the gate. It puts a stop to anything that the child or
the kid says about the police. The parent automatically assumes that they're trying,
they're lying, and they're trying to manipulate their way out of the program.
I think one of the lines was actually, your children's feelings are manipulations for
you. Yeah. I was like, yeah, that sounds about right,
and yeah, that that obliviousness that the parents showed any of the parents that
did get put on camera there, you know, you saw both sides of
it. You saw the ones that were like, oh my god, I
can't believe that that happened. I'm so sorry, and then you see the
other ones that you know, still have the cult block in the place where
there they won't admit that it happened in their own brain. They might pretend
like they accept it for their daughter, their son. Whatever they're dealing is
a lot of females, and this so their daughter, but they don't actually
themselves accept that these things happened to her yet because of the cult programming in
them. And that's you know, for people like me, that's something you
know that needs to be considered as they they had our parents in different ways
as well, where our parents didn't realize what was going on because they were
actually being told something else was going on, right, And if you trust
experts, you believe them. So if an expert is telling you this is
what's happening, this is the explanation for all of these things you're seeing,
then you're gonna go, Okay, I believe you. And that it was
also very well shown in that documentary and also the amount of money. You
just mentioned the amount of money that some of these behavioral modification schools were getting
in Some of them were upwards of like seventy thousand dollars. Dude, like
seventy thousand dollars in the early nineties. That's a lot of money that they're
paying out for these programs. So no wonder they don't want to believe their
child because one they've given a crap ton of money. Two, they don't
want to be scanned and be like a fraud. Three they don't want to
believe that their child was abused in one of these programs. And for they
don't want to look like a fool. And they don't want to have to
apologize for putting their kid into one of these schools, because that's a very
heinous act. Like when you watch this documentary, you're going to realize that
you would feel god awful as a parent watching the archival footage and the surveillance
footage from some of these behavioral modification schools. You're going to feel like shit
if you actually sent your kid to one of these schools. Like if one
of my parents ever sent me to one of these schools, I would probably
never talk to them again. Ever, I feel like I'm done done with
you guys, in no way that I'm ever going to speak to you again.
And that's kind of the process that the filmmaker of this documentary kind of
got into a little bit. She didn't speak to her nowin for like the
whole making of the documentary until the end, but he was pretty receptive to
what she discovered. But again, there's all this proof, and there's all
this evidence, and there's surveillance footage of children being abused and the programming that
happened in these behavioral modification schools, So like, unless you're completely blind,
it doesn't take a pair of glasses to see what was going on. But
again, they don't want to admit to that because then that one brings on
the guilt, brings on all. Well, I just freely gave all of
my money, thousands and thousands of dollars to one of these behavioral modification schools
where they're torturing my child. And it's actually a rare personality trait for people
to like freely accept when they're wrong. It's really difficult for us as human
to do. We all saw that with the lollipops, right, like the
lollipops and that thing that went around over the last few years and how it's
all, you know, come to light now that it was all nonsense,
but nobody will believe it. It doesn't matter how much it gets put in
front of their face, because it means admitting how wrong they were and that
this identity that they've built was false because it was built on this false foundation.
And that's really really difficult for people to do. And this is just
another example where there's several examples within that documentary of people who did the same,
whether it was the parents, the facilitators, the staff involved, even
some of the people involved. And yeah, very interesting that all of those
same dynamics have been playing out in the mainstream media over the last three to
five years. Noble Truth. As an example for the audience, some staff
members are promised credits in specific fixed psych fields if they work at the program,
could be I mean that would make sense, right, Yeah, dangling
carrots, that's what I call those. The heenous nature that these staff members
had to do to these children, like what type of what type of brick?
Because you knew, you know, they weren't paying them good money,
so like what's the incentive that the only thing that I can think of is
that they wanted to do it, and then they liked to do it,
and they got some kind of they got the rocks off. I think it's
obviously they probably were playing them really good money. But there was no background
check, there was no resume check, there was no credentials needed. Like
they were giving people jobs that should be going to PhDs just off the street
because they answered a call, right, So that's I think that they probably
were paying them quite well for jobs that they should never have had to begin
with. And that's a lot of it. Right, If you're totally comfortable
and you're like, I'm ever gonna find another job like this, that's hard
to quit in and of itself. Right, Everyone looks over looks past stuff
every day at their jobs. But you know, the more they pay you,
the more cushy that is, or the more aligned with that type of
treatment you are. That's what the one person said, is like I liked
doing this stuff anyways, you're gonna pay me to do it, right,
Like they were hiring bouncers who like beating up people to police the boy side
and be behavioral counselors for the voice side things like that. Yeah, it's
uh. That's the part that I think everyone always sells underestimates humans on,
is that there are people out there who enjoy doing these kind of things,
maybe because it's been done to them, maybe because they just like it,
But there are people who are more than happy to hear. Oh you let
You're gonna lock me up with a bunch of young boys and let me do
whatever I want to them. Sweet, you're gonna pay me to do that
even better, and all I have to do is lie deal. Yeah,
I wish we could have got a little bit more information about the boy's side
of Ivy Ridge. There wasn't too much on there besides like archival footage of
some of the boys being restrained and like abused and put into these deprivation areas
for punishment. Yeah, And they brought that up to how even between the
boys and the girl's side, there was missing disinformation to turn them against each
other and make them not want to talk each other fear Like the girls basically
were afraid of the boys because of the things that they were hearing from all
of the staff. So that whole dynamic at every level of it, and
apparently there was like a riot that was trying to go down, and they
were all trying to escape, but instead of escaping, they all went and
eat food the cafeteria. I think a few of them did get out,
like three or four of them got out, but then they were caught and
captured later on. Because that's another part of this is like you put these
camps and these behavioral modification camps, just like the one in Utah, in
the middle of nowhere, so if anybody does happen to try and run away,
there's literally no place for them to go. Well, the best part
was with that one. If they had gone straight across the river, they
ran into a Canadian version of exactly the same thing. So it was pretty
funny in that sense too. Yeah, and it is a Netflix documentary series,
The Program cons Cults and Kidnapping. And there is another one that she
told me about that we've kind of mentioned a little bit, which was Hell
Camp, which is another Netflix original. This one's a movie. The Program
cons Cults and Napping is a series as a three part series, but Hell
Camp is really the original or the origin of this, and it started in
the eighties, right, Yeah. Yeah, they call it the trouble troubled
teen industry and where they would abduct these kids and kidnap these kids and take
them into the mountains of Utah and like have them walk for miles and miles
and miles and miles, and it eventually that program eventually got shut down because
someone had died during the hike and there was a big lawsuit, but the
guy that ran the program ended up winning the lawsuit wild And the reason why
it's significant is because you can see how something that didn't have the agenda behind
it was then very quickly rabbed a hold of and turned into something and used
by other people who did have that agenda behind it, right. And that's
again why they were trying to glorify that particular Stephen whatever his name is,
a gentleman, is because they're just trying to get across that, you know,
this guy didn't run the kind that everybody else went to run. This
was his original idea, but the formulation of it, the program within it,
is still the same. And again what they're trying to push through this
particular documentary is the opposite that you know, these days kids need this,
right, these days kids don't have discipline, and they don't have respect.
And if you go to the original program that this movie showed, really that's
what it was, and the abduction was still on the front of it,
but beyond that, it was really just taking these people out to help character
build. Just the extreme nature of it is what turns it into abuse,
right, and then used by all sorts of people, and it became a
whole industry of them basically going to parents, you know, all your teens
being a teenager, Well, we have a solution. We'll take them,
give them to us, let us run some experiments on them and feed them
to some monsters, just to see what happens. Because what we know is
the result of that is all going to become politicians one day, and facilitators
or administrators at universities one day, and cops and you know, all of
these different people who will then be easily controlled because of the program. Yeah,
and probably another reason why they kind of went easy on this Steve guy
that ran all these different the behavioral modification camps, and one was getting ready,
the one at the end was getting ready to actually be turned into a
facility. I believe it was in the in South America maybe or in the
Congo or somewhere out in the forest, and it was different. It was
Austria. Yeah, it was somewhere I don't know, somewhere down there,
but it was getting ready to be turned into like a facility and h But
the guy had died. He died of cancer, I believe, colon cancer.
So he died like a few years before the making of this documentary.
But what's interesting though, is like they have all of his family members like
giving interviews in this documentary and they're talking about all the the heinous acts and
all the things that he did, but they're still like, oh, he
was a good guy. He was just trying to help Like what do you
mean, what do you mean he was just trying to help me? And
I understand that they're family members and you know, some of their kids,
but this guy sent his own kid to one of his own camps. That's
what I mean. He's given with this idea that like it was a good
thing that went too far kind of like you know, communism has just never
been done properly, one of those type of type of things. But yeah,
the origin of it is there. You can see how it gots like
bought up by other people. Modified AA and a essay all of these different
programs also spawning from this idea. In the program Netflix series, she does
go through the list of the stuff that the founders who, of the academies
where they all came from. I think there was a trifecta of them,
as there three of them that you know, we're earlier versions of the same
thing that you know, ac cult as a cult as a cult as a
cult, and so eventually it became known that it was a cult and they
had to move on, rebrand it and come out again. Sounds a lot
like our community because that's what people have been doing since the beginning of time.
When you get into like Helena Bloff Blosky and the Theology Theological Society,
you'll notice that it's exactly that exact game. A cult is a cult as
a cult, and eventually cults get shown. All they do is come up
with a new name, probably moved to a dude, different town or a
different geographical location. Sometimes will even swap out the front person. But a
cult is a cult as a cult as a cult, and so eventually it's
going to cult and that's exactly what we have here. The way that she
explained this in the program cons Cults and Kidnapping just for people that are just
listening. And there's two different documentaries. The first one came out, I
believe in twenty nineteen, which was the one that I just pulled a picture
up of, which is called Hell Camp Teen Nightmare. And then this one
that's on the screen right now, the program cons Cults and Kidnapping is the
newest one that just came out this month on March fifth. Now they're different
in a bunch of different ways, not only the way that they're made,
but the subject matter is basically the same, these teen behavioral health But this
guy that ran these camps in Utah and then spread out to South America and
went to all these different places trying to open up other because he had a
really bad name over the lawsuit that he had, he hadn't quite figured out
the process on how to actually get away with a lot of this stuff.
He didn't have permits for any of his things. He didn't have permits to
run any of these businesses. He didn't have credentials to run teen behavioral modification
programs, none of that. But this guy that ran this well was the
funder and the contributor to the main program that's talked about in this documentary that's
up on the screen right now in New York. He had it all figured
out and he'll probably never get caught or ever get anything come to him because
he's set up all of these different shell corporations and all these different LLCs to
like I had anybody ever coming after him. The lady that directed and made
the documentary was like, yeah, this is like a this is a nightmare
to go through and connect all these dots. She had like a CIA type
of style corkboard up with all the lines and everything going for Etauther, which
I think was for the documentary, of course, but that doesn't you know.
She definitely did the research for sure, and she's like, listen,
this guy is he's almost untouchable because he has all these companies that are set
up by different names under different names. One company is owned by four or
five other companies. Those five companies are owned by ten to twenty other different
companies, and then they just go so on and so on down the line.
Which was interesting because toward the end of the documentary she I think it
was the brother of the guy that ran a lot of these programs. I
think he was a brother the guy that started the WASP programs. I might
be incorrector or not incorrect, but they they showed up at this this karaoke
bar and got to see him uh firsthand, which I thought was actually really
cool. And they got up and sung that uh one day and I'm gonna
get you, you get you, And I was like, wow, that
is a that is a covert way to do it. I thought it was
really clever. But I like, make sure with him, like kind of
dancing with them or whatever. Way to go. Lady, Yeah, she
killed it. It was a really well made documentary series. I'm gonna have
to watch rewatch it again and and really to wrap your head around the web
that has been made from all this stuff. Now, what they were showing
with that is the I call it the throwing people under the bus, So
you have all of these different people kind of linked to it so that eventually
when you get caught, one person gets thrown under the bus and the rest
get to move on. And it's like the same thing as in the Mafia
one, like the fall Guy, right, we've heard it's there a Patsy.
The same idea depending on whether they're in on it or not. And
yeah, that's exactly what they've done, is they've got like, every time
they get caught, someone pays for it. But it's never the guy who
actually did it, right, it's it's someone else who's just being paid more
or less to be that person. And then they continue to operate until they
get caught again. And that's why they can't ever get it back to him,
because he's got too many bodies to throw in the front of that bus
before it ever gets there. And you know, they do show in the
documentary she kind of followed the money all the way as high as she could
get. She got to like the senate level, I believe, and that's
where they started shutting her down. But it's implied that there are people involved,
and they actually show a picture of one of the ladies very much involved
in a lot of these programs over time to a lot of where the money
that they're getting paid comes from. So, yes, my mind was blown
when I watched it. I was like, holy crap, I can't believe.
One, I can't believe that it happened at all, and two,
I can't believe that it's still happening. It's wild, and they're right,
it's a money it's gotten so out of hand, and it's brought in so
much money. And I believe that it was mentioned in one of the two
documentaries that they kind of not threaten the state or the town that they're in,
but they kind of go to the government officials. And I was like,
well, if this gets shut down, then you know, you're going
to lose all of this money. There's not going to be as much money
flowing into your town or into your state because this program is supplying a lot
of your money and a lot of your funding. Well that was that Ivy
Ridge there, Like that town wouldn't have been there without the school anymore.
Right, So yeah, and that's what they would do, is I guess
what people didn't notice. It's not necessarily what they were doing. That's that's
the way that they operated, is they were, you know, someone very
high up the food chain was making them happen. Who they think are in
charge of that are not in charge of that. They're just the people who
run the organization that funnel launders that money for them in that forum, and
it goes up into into the government, up into people in positions and power
of power in government. Yeah, that's right. It was Ivy Regi.
And when you look at it, Ivy Ridge now it's a disaster, it's
a mess. It's the same thing as you'd see with like a fishing town
that no longer has fish there, or like an old oil town throughout the
states, right coal mining towns. It's exactly the same thing. These schools
worked in exactly the same way. It's the same thing that like, you
know, something like the UFC does. It's like one of the incentives to
get into the city is the fact that they're going to bring a bunch of
money, a bunch of tourism along with them. It's that same game,
just on a much smaller scale for an individual little town. And of course,
like you know, the local sheriff, the local nurses, the local
doctors, the local optometrists, the local shoemakers, all of these people would
have no job if there is no town, they'd all have to relocate.
So anything that comes along that promises them that We've seen this in so many
different ways all across the States, you know, throughout the all the main
decades from the thirties to the end of the nineties. Well, now I
think it's time to heavily get into the relation between these programs, these behavioral
modification programs that are being described within the documentaries the program cons Cults and Kidnapping,
and the documentary that came out before and how Camp teen Nightmare, and
the relation between that and what these secret space program people and these super Soldier
people call the programs, because it's almost identical. You just take aliens and
space and time travel and advanced mudbeds and like all that stuff out of the
equation and you pretty much of verbatim, have this program that's being presented in
this documentary, the program CON's Cults and Kidnapping. It just further reinforces my
number that, you know, if I'm being nice, of the speakers are
making things up, and seventy percent of the audience believes their own made up
memories that come from something probably more like this, right. I've been pointing
this out for many years that like even the combination of WASP and WASP,
which I just add to me, that's always been almost ironic that you guys
called that that, because that is what it is. And anyways, at
the same time, these other programs do exist, and you can see how
this would be a very good way to identify people, right. But what
I was saying off the top is these came second. The programs that these
people are alluding to were first, and then these were kind of layered on
top for a variety of different reasons. One that I've already pointed out to
start rolling this out into the public. The other one is as a cover
for what they were doing in the actual programs. And that was the part
that was annoying me when it was like the program, the program, the
program, the program. When we've been saying the programs, the programs,
programs, the programs for all of these years. Now it's going to happen
with a lot of people when they get new into this. They're going to
hear me speak one day and I'm going to say programs, projects, cults,
and they're going to go, oh, programs like in that movie very
quickly. Right. So there's a slight bit of an annoyance there, But
well, I mean it's pretty dang similar though, And Robert you have which
I wouldn't fault anybody for saying that, because it's anybody this guy common sense
and critical thinking can see that it's almost identically the exact same thing, and
they've just layered They've just made up a lot of different scenarios due to the
trauma that they faced during these behavioral modification schools and made it that they're special
and that space is involved, and that they're this the captain of a super
space program ship whenever they just went to one of these behavioral modification schools.
Now, I'm not saying that everyone did. I think a very small percentage
of them did. But the basis of this documentary, in the school and
the stories that are told there are the building blocks of the secret space programming,
Super Soldier testimony and my lapse because of the military component, right because
the military was doing it too, and like that, That's always been one
of the things that I've always kind of said, like they didn't have to
kidnap me or most of the people I knew in these programs, right,
Like most of us were there, not necessarily in a willing sense, but
definitely in a participation type sense. Not like they were taking us in the
middle of the night and kidnapping us and hooting us and we didn't know where
we were going. In all of that stuff. There were things hidden from
us. There were a lot of lies, but we kind of knew what
was going on, And you know, that's always been a major divergence,
and this explains it very clearly. Right. I've always known that in my
heart of hearts, and it's part of the reason why I've put the percentage
on it that I always have. But this is the first time that I
have a documentary where I can point to and say see. But just like
with VASA has brought out with their Mars training and their Moon based training so
that they can go mine space asteroids. It's all been happening in underwater and
in deserts and all these people really do believe that they're actually on the Moon,
in Mars, in space, but it's a simulation. And yeah,
so it's the same thing for me. It's just that it's you know,
I've been speaking to it for a long time, and now I have a
documentary where I can say, hey, go watch this, and does this
sound a little bit more akin to what you think happened to you? Then
you were sent to fight space aliens with some kind of space lazers or Mars
and then just brought back here and sent to school the next day, because
that doesn't make much sense because but yeah, like, did you go away
to one of these private schools in which a bunch of different traumatic experiences happened
to you have involved a bunch of strangers, and you were, you know,
in all of those different situations. Because guess what, there were very
real programs operate in the broad daylight that we're doing exactly that. So the
military ones again with the my lap, because that's a lot of the abduction
stories is bright lights in the middle of the night, people coming into their
room, taking them away, bringing them back right, And so that's what
a lot of that was is they would take you away, they would threaten
you, tell you that if you didn't do everything your parents told you that
you were going to have to go into the military, and then they would
bring you back and you know, forget about that, or be a traumatized
child. Make the behavioral modification live underneath that behavioral modification, and then someday
you're listening on to someone on the internet describe a scenario where the same thing
happened to them, except for instead of just behavioral modification, they got to
go to outer space and be a superhero. What are you going to choose?
Right, You're obviously going to choose the one that results in you being
a superhero. So there's a lot of different ways in which people get themselves
to that point, and so that's why I've always put the percentages on them.
This is just more kind of proof and the results of why I've done
that the basis, Yeah, exactly, you explained it perfectly that from the
very beginning of these programs. I'm sure that it's that maybe a few people,
maybe one or two people that's actively talking about the Secret Space Program have
been through one of these behavioral modification schools. Maybe it's a big maybe,
but it's definitely someone has. Someone has been through one of these behavioral modification
schools. Now, it's a possibility that one of these Secret Space Program people
just heard another person talk about it and then made up their story on top
of hearing another person speak about it. That's a possibility too, right,
Yeah, And that's just it, And that's what I was saying about.
You know, the burrito then becomes really enticing because if you see someone on
a stage talking about a program you were just to say, you know full
well that you were in Ivy Ridge Academy, specifically the very school from this
documentary. But then you hear I'll pick someone that I actually like, Max
Spears, talking about his experiences. It's going to be so easy to do
that hop, skip and jump from you are Max Spears. You went through
all the same stuff he did. Because he's talking about some similar things.
You can fit it into your bucket and therefore adopt it as your identity as
well. Go out and build yourself that conspiracy burrito, because now you have
a foundational like you have the rap to put it in the fact that you
have these memories too. And again I put the percentage of speakers that are
bullshitting higher than the audience that's listening, because I think that there are more
people who are just quiet in the audience, who have been through real programs,
who probably were just is annoyed by this as I was. Well.
The scenarios that are described in these documentaries are verbatim identical to the beginning stories
of any super space program. Whistleble or they're abducted as a child, They're
taken out of their home by people in a blacked out van, They're driven
to a facility, their MK ultrade, their mind controlled, they're programmed,
they're deprogrammed and then reprogrammed. And it's just that everything that happens after the
MK altering is made up. Its delusion, you know, because they say,
well, after I was MK altered and mind fractured, and then I
went to space for twenty years and went to Mars and fought aliens, and
then I was age regressed back in time the twenty years and then I'm here
instead of yeah, I went to I was. My parents aid these behavioral
modification schools to abduct me, take me to a facility where I was tortured,
where I was subjected to brainwashing tactics, and graduated from that school and
then went back home tried to tell my parents about it, and my parents
didn't believe me. I mean, which, which story do you want to
go with? But then a few years later, I was watching Guy at
TV and I saw David Wilcock and Corey Good. And when I heard Corey
Good talk about that experience, I thought to myself, well, maybe while
I was at Ivy Ridge, they did send me into space for twenty years
and just regressed me and put me back right. Maybe maybe that is what
happened, and then that becomes no, that is what happened. And then
the next thing, you know, you've got a fucking YouTube channel and you're
tell it everybody that's what happened to you, And yeah, that that is
what I think happens here. Yeah, I agree with that. I mean,
when I was watching the documentary, I was like, this is what
all of them, that's what all of them are saying. I'm looking at
my girlfriend, I'm like, what is this because she's just familiar with the
you know, what I'm doing and what I've been doing, and I was
like, this is what they all say. They all say that's exact same
thing, But that doesn't confirm that they actually all went through one of these
programs. Like I said, it's someone did at least one person did,
or one person heard somebody else talk about it, and then created and manipulated
and exaggerated the story and mystified the story and turning it into a fairy Tales
Spaceland opera. Well that's where how it got had it into it is basically
it right, like the conspiracy burrito, that is, the secret Space program
is something that you have been doing a lot of work to show has been
built over time. This is where that particular ingredient came from. It came
from these schools that were actually doing that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean
it makes complete and total sense, and I recommend that anybody watch this documentary
the pro the program cons cults and kidnapping. And I was really mind blown
that, you know, Netflix allowed this to really even come out. But
they've been doing a lot of good stuff here recently. They just came out
with American Conspiracy, The Octopus Murders, unbelievable, rabbit hole, holy shit,
dude, wild. It's about this guy that had a contract with the
Department of Justice to create this computer program that would relate all of these criminal
cases and find relations with each case. And it was basically like a surveillance
type program. And then the Apartment of Justice bankrupts him, steals the software,
and then puts a back door into the software and then sells that software
to all the different other countries intelligence communities so that way they can spy on
what all the other countries are using the program in the software for. Yeah.
Yeah, if you come up with a good idea, someone's gonna steal
that and use it for a bad idea. It's the way that things go.
Yeah, so even these programs are the same thing, like the one
that like the emphasis they're trying to make with hell Camp about how you know,
kids these days do need more discipline and more responsibility, and doing hard
things does help them learn that. But obviously crossing that line is what they
can point to. Is the same thing with The reason why I think Netflix
is doing this is because they operate in the left wing hemisphere of the world
that people are now so appropriately calling a cult. And so the more that
they can put examples of cults out there that look like Jonestown or look like
this, or it look like Charles Manson, the less the average person will
look at that other thing and say that's a cult too, because it doesn't
seem as extreme. So it's the play on words. It's the same thing
with the play on words with the program. It's the same thing they're doing
with words like gender or race or all kinds of different things in our world
right now. It's just the parts of it that touch our community and our
type of research. Yeah, I've recognized that as well, and it makes
sense as like deception operation that's what Richard Doughty. That's what Richard Dody calls
it now, deception deception operation, which makes sense. How words have double
meanings and how words the public thinks that a word means one thing whenever people
say it, but it actually means another thing. That's what I've really realized
with a lot of the buzzwords are rolling around today. They all have double
and triple meanings. It's the public that puts the meaning onto it for themselves.
They're not telling you what these bud buzzwords mean, like you know,
crash retrieval, like biological biologics, national security threat, you know, alien
invasion, insurrection. There's one right, like riot. There's another one that
doesn't mean what it used to mean. There's all sorts of them in the
world today that we can see. And that's like I said, these are
just the ones that are touching our community. Yeah, and I've realized that
a lot of them means something completely separate. And I don't see a lot
of Sorry, I don't see a lot of comments, So I want to
comment on this. Whatever takes you away from family, good, bad,
good or bad family and friends is a huge red flag. I very much
agree with that. You know, you don't have to like all of your
family, but your family is your family, and there's still a bond there
that we've learned to break that. You know, obviously a lot of us
have had shitty family, so this is hard to hear right now, but
we've had that shitty family because that bond started breaking a while ago. So
I very much agree with that comment, and I don't usually see the comments
very often, so I just wanted to a point that out. Oh we
got a lot here. Yeah, you want to learn to distinguish between being
lonely and being alone happy with your own company. Absolutely, hell, yeah,
absolutely. That is really important because there is a huge difference between being
lonely and being alone. You can be alone without being lonely. Yep,
you can be lonely and not be alone. And a friend he was kind
of an odd dude, but he always he grew up living in Toronto his
whole life, and he would always say it was the loneliest place in the
world. Like, it's a city full of three million people, how are
you lonely? He's like, this is the loneliest place I've ever been.
Interesting, very interesting, noble truth. Some of us were adopted and don't
have that bond as well as soon they target adopted kids. Yeah, that's
a part of this, uh cons Caultson's documentary. Yeah, yeah, that
was a whole other version of the same type of thing that they were running,
but it was for adopted, specifically adopted kids. And yeah, the
amount of those kids who have gone missing and ended up into books about UFO
abductions and sasquatch is actually something to consider as well. I'm missing for one
one people. Yeah. Yeah, there was a section in this documentary,
the documentary filmmaker Quality I spoke about it earlier, but I think it's important
to bring up again. It called this a callity adoption, a behavioral modification
program that was for just for adopted kids. And she was trying to get
more she was pretending to be somebody else, and she was trying to get
more information out of the receptionist that she was talking to on the phone,
and it turned out that she was like, oh, well, what if
my adopted kid doesn't want to go willingly because she was trying to she was
trying to get to the point that they're coming in and kidnapping and abducting these
kids. And this lady was like, oh, well there's another company that
you can pay that will uh, We'll come and get them. And then
she was like, oh what if I don't have the money to do that,
And she was like, oh, well, the state of California will
pay for this. This essentially kidnapping an abduction of your child. And I
mean this the human trafficking element, like the kids from other countries. So
they were bringing kids from other countries and running them through behavioral modifications under the
guys of they were acclimatizing them to our culture. Right if you have like
a six seven year old kid come from Africa, you know, or a
teenager, let's say, come from Africa. Putting them through into these programs
so that they become American was another selling feature that they would another way that
they would get parents to give their children to these And so yeah, like
all of the different human trafficking that we found out through things like the Ebstein
Island. Also like you know what's going on, say with the border organ
donation or organ harvesting, things of that nature. Without even getting into you
know, the more darker things, you can see how these organizations are the
perfect cover for human trafficking, human smuggling, human disappearance, and also for
testing behavioral modification programs that eventually come the early two thousands would be run out
in the public via media campaigns, put into colleges. They are the public
schools, colleges and universities put into everything and was all tested real time on
your kids. And thanks for paying us for it on top of it too,
Thank you for that. Wow, Dode. The things that we have
done that are just now coming to light, and there's a reason for that
too. It's a reason that they're now coming out and saying all this stuff.
And it was thirty years ago, over twenty years ago, fifteen years
ago, because so far in the past. And it's plausible deniability too,
because it can be they could be like, oh, well, we're not
doing that anymore, right, we did this in the past. We did
this fifteen twenty years ago. People are different. And Kat Williams nailed it
to the other part of what I say, because I get asked this question
all the time because it's Illuminati based. I'm like, they've rebranded there at
the Umbrella Corporation as I call them now, it's all different. They're recruitment
is different, and a lot of the older people are dying off, and
so you can't just get in the same way that you used to, and
you don't just get have the same way you used to either, because it's
more interconnected with all of us. So yeah, yes, yes, what
was it? What did I just comment about? What did I just say?
I had something to follow up on it with, but we were talking
about Yeah, I can't remember exactly what you were saying because I started thinking
about the the You know, they can't get away with doing things this way
anymore, but they still do them, right, like oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, all the time lapse in between the them revealing what they were
doing before. It's just like the MK ultra programs. Right if you went
to a normal person on the street and you were like, oh, hey,
that doesn't know anything about this. This isn't steeped in this community,
and you'd be like, hey, you know, the CIA was doing mind
control and brainwashing in the early fifties and it ran into the seventies, right,
and they'll be like, oh, well, yeah, but they're not
doing it anymore. That's what I like about this documentary because not only there
was a big emphasis on that it's still happening, that is still going on,
that there's these programs all over the United States in all these different countries
and they're still happening to this very day. They made a point to make
sure that they still said that, because if they didn't, then it could
just be kind of brushed off in a way that people will just think,
oh, well, yeah, they did that fifteen twenty years ago. Whatever,
they're not doing it anymore, just like my example with the MK Ultra
programs. Right, yeah, they might have done that shame right better before,
are they? But no way now? And we got a bunch of
unclear documentation from them about it. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Even Project Stargate is another one of those where it's just like, wait
a second, you guys were doing what and then you passed it off to
the CIA and DARPA and the Russians were doing what, And it's like,
what you guys learn how you guys learned it? What have you been doing
to us? Like, is there some reason why mass formation is so easy
for you guys to throw us into? Did you study something and not tell
us about it? Uh? Huh? They did And that's another thing too,
is a lot of these names of these programs have been turned into fairytale,
nonsense stories, so that the real program nobody knows about. It's the
same way with Pegasus, same way with the Pegasus program. Like people have
said, oh, the mk Ultra turned into the product Project Pegasus, and
it was like a time traveling program and like all that. No, Project
Pegasus is a freaking spy software that people can buy to hack into your freaking
phoney'll listen to every single thing that you're doing. That's what Project Pegasus is.
And it's the same way with the Stargate program, which I've done so
much research and study into the Stargate program. And also with Operation looking Glass.
You know, these people are like, oh, Operation Looking Glasses an
advanced government technology lets you see it into the future and seeing into the past.
And the United States has got one, and other countries have got one,
Germany, Russia and all this stuff. And no, the Operation looking
Glass was a real Air Force operation was to put a freaking nuclear command post
in space. My favorite, and I've been tracking this one since the about
nineteen I think like ninety six, is the people who look into the future
and can't see past a certain date because that date just keeps rolling back,
keeps rolling back. It just keeps rolling back, just keeps rolling back,
even out of the same people his mouth. It's very much like David Wilcock
waiting for the Alliance to save us in like that date, how it keeps
rolling back. But this second not being able to see past a certain date
in the future has been going on for as long as I've been alive.
It's been pretty hilarious. But anyways, let's just code for the can't make
anything else up. They're at the end of their imagination. In some cases,
I think that that is true, you all my creativity and all my
creative juice and the telling you about the first twenty years in the future.
Or they are just short sighted and they think that they've picked a date far
enough into the future that they'll never get caught. And then that date comes
up and they're like, oh no, oh, no, we're gonna have
to roll this back. Yep, got to make it, make it further,
further and further in the future. This is the way that it's the
easiest way to do it. Don't don't make your prediction for next week,
next month, next year, in the next five years, you got to
make it way further. Yeah, but yeah, they And then there there's
a level of that that is happening with this being called the program, which
is that mild bit of the annoyance that has been outweighed by the good that
actually will come from this. I do consider this a win, despite the
fact that we called what I went through programs and that's not it. So
there's that a little bit. But it's also because I've always taken the stance
that most of the people who think that they've actually been in programs have really
maybe at best, maybe at best, been in one of those, and
that most of them are just making it up anyways. That's why this is
a win all of the same. So I'll take it. I agree.
You got me any last things to add before we wrap up your today,
No, man, I'm cool. I'm good. I talked to about so
a friend of mine who's a pretty big alien and conspiracy theory guy, was
in Miami when that all went down, and he went over to the mall
and very much confirmed that all of the rioting that was going on in the
mall continued out onto the sidewalks, such as them lighting off fireworks out there
and smoke bombs and no aliens. And in fact, that was not even
a buzzword around the thing. Nobody there was saying anything about alias. He
learned about that on Twitter, so first hand experience, had to find out
about the aliens on Twitter. So there you go. Yep, And it's
amazing that you can just change the preconceived notion of what an alien is by
just adding one word in front of it takes on a completely different new meaning
illegal. Like all the people who got arrested we never got names out of.
They're always here, They've always been there, and they're all around us
exactly. It's a big fucking excuse me put my leg wage again. But
it's a big problem, a really really really big million body, billion body
problem right now. And yeah, imagine that they're definitely extraterrestrial and extra tresh
real meaning from other land. Yeah, a different other land. What's below
us and what's above us? Other land, other land. Amazing, Well,
I uh, I encourage anybody to watch this documentary of the program cons
cults and kidnapping and hopefully you're hopefully we did it some justice. I feel
feel really good talking about it because I've been kind of had it bundled up
this entire time, and I really wanted to chat about it and hopefully we
did a good job. And if you haven't watched it yet and you get
a chance to watch it, please do and then then come back and comment
on the show and let every let us know what you thought of it.
And I don't know which one I would recommend actually watching for I would probably
say watch that one from watch the program. The other one is just if
you want a little bit more of the origin story, and another got it
watched the other one that yeah, because hell Camp is definitely not as brutal
as the program cons Cults and Kidnapping. It's uh, they're different. First
one try tries to kind of glorify the man that created the programs and doesn't
really get into the abuse aspects of it. But the program cons Cults and
Kidnapping definitely does and they have video proof and documentation of really everything that they
talk about, which is astounding. Normally, when a documentary of that caliber
gets made, it's a lot of hyperbole in conjecture and theory that's tossed into
it, but almost everything that they talk about. They have documentation to back
it up in video roof to back it up. That was one of those
things where it looks like she started off making a movie that was this big
and then in the process of doing that, ended up uncovering so much more
Like a lot of that footage they found at the place when they finally went
there, right, a lot of the records, so she had she was
looking at something that was going to be this big, but in the process
of doing that, it became that big. So good job to her.
You know, that was probably very tough for them all to do, to
be honest, can relate to that. So yeah, definitely check it out.
If you haven't, you would probably enjoy it. If you're watching this,
Thanks so much, Shane. Appreciate your time to Sevenona and let people
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much. Links to Shane information will be in the description of this video.
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