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This is Later with Lee Matthews The
Lee Matthews Podcast more what You Hear weekday

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afternoons on the Drive. Matt Browning
is a nationally recognized retired undercover law enforcement

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who spent a considerable amount of time
assigned to the FBI, working both in

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the Joint Terrorist Task Force and Violent
Crimes Fugitive Task Force. He's got over

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twenty years investigating extreme groups and is
part of a new series on A and

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E called The Secrets of Polygamy.
It is now on A and E and

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exposing the realities of life with one
particular fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter

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Day Saints. I must say that
more than once, Matt Browning, because

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we're not indicting the entire faith.
No, no, no, this the

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FLDS is is a breakoff. They're
not mainstream Church of Jesus Christ Ality Saints.

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They are a breakoffs. So I
can't imagine this is all about can

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be multiple wives. Whereas some men
would say touching two or three for the

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price of one, I would say, I have a hard enough time keeping

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one woman happy. Yeah, you
know what I think when you talk about

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polygamy, it's really not about the
I think it's the whole thing is about

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keeping the kids and the women's and
the victims and survivors safe and taking care

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of those who are truly getting hurt
and harmed by this. You know,

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this this harmful religious practice and it
just needs to stop. Well in this

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day and age, I can't imagine
why it's still going. Is it all

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about control? Well, it is
about control, and you know, I

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said it best, Rachel on the
show that aired on Monday. Last Monday,

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Rachel said, it's a bunch of
men that are just wanting to have

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sex with as many young girls as
they can. And a lot of it

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has to do with sex, a
lot of it has to do with control.

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Money. Money is a huge factor
in this is an organized crime at

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its best. Well, and how
young are some of these women when they

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are indoctrinated into a polygamous marriage.
Well, Warren Jeff he had a twelve

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year old wife, and Sam Bateman
is sub sub twelve. So I mean

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it's getting pretty pretty twisted and pretty
sick and wrong when you're you know,

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when your your wife is is you
know, not even twelve years old.

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That's just ridiculous. I should say. She should still be playing with dolls,

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uh and so uh eat. Yeah, Matt Browning is with us the

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Secrets of Polygamy. It's on A
and E, a series about investigating into

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this sect of the LDS Church that
still practices polygamy. And I would think

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that in this modern day and age
of modern digital communication, that there would

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be fewer and fewer women that would
put up with it and more and more

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women that would that would leave.
Is that the case? No, you

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know what, there should be more
and more women that want to leave,

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you would think. But the problem
is when it comes to this control factor

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when these women and I tell you
what, these the women are truly amazing

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people. They stand up and they
want to help everybody out and and but

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it's getting them to the point where
they they know if they leave, they

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will have a life they when they're
when they're kicked out or when they leave,

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you know, their family stay.
They have absolutely nothing when they leave,

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they have no money, they have
no friends, know anything. And

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so sometimes they figure off that it
is best to stay because if they leave,

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they'll go to hell. Also reminds
me very much of the early American

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Puritan communities. Oh yeah, yeah, you know what, when you when

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you start diving into the practice of
polygamy, it pulls in from all aspects

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of of history and religion and twist
and organized crime and just And that's why,

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you know, that's why Toddy and
I my wife Tanya, that's why

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we do what we do. We
want to help these people. We don't

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tell people that they need to leave
or force them to leave, but they

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want helping hand or or they reach
out to us asking for help them.

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We give them the help they need. And that's what they're needing, is

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the help, and that it reassures
that if they leave, they're going to

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be all right. Matt Browning of
Ane's Secrets of Polygamy where he looks into

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the FLDS Church and there have been
had been some inkling that members of this

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faith were trying to either move or
spread. We had reports of them coming

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into some of the smaller communities in
the Panhandle of Oklahoma in the past couple

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of years. Do they have a
desire to expand? Oh yeah, constantly

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having a desire to expand you got
to look at it like this, when

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you have a church, an organization
that that is built upon the backs of

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these women and children and men and
young men because a lot of the boys

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are getting kicked out because they're just
you know, competing for the women.

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You know, they have to expand. The women are bringing more babies into

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the organization. They have to move
out. They don't want to be you

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know, persecuted or or found out
about. So they're moving all over the

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place. I'm not going to give
any any spoilers here, you know,

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for the upcoming shows that are still
about the air, but just watch,

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you know what I'll tell you.
We're going to be in North Dakota.

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We're going to be all over different
places where there's other organizations besides the FLDS

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that we're looking into and that we're
talking about. And our goal here is

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to bring awareness when they do expand
and when they do move. You know,

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let the people decide, Let the
viewers decide on how they want to

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react and how they want to take
care of this. You know, I

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was a cop for twenty years and
there are some twisted things going on within

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these organizations that just needs to be
stopped and addressed. And so let's let

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the viewers decide what we should do, and everybody should decide what they can

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do to help Matt Browning of any
secrets of polygamy. A deeper dive into

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the FLDS and what biblical texts are
is the organization relying on to justify all

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of this behavior? Great question,
and I'm still trying to find it.

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How can you justify the Bible that
it's okay to have a nine or twelve

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or eleven year old wife? Tell
me where is it justified in the Bible

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that you can when there's more young
men in the church, that you can

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kick them out because you're worried about
them stealing the the young girls away from

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you. As a seventy sixty year
old man. This stuff is twisted and

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wrong. That's why we want people
to watch. We want people to see

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what is really happening in these groups. And do we see the emergence in

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these groups of any genetic abnormalities.
I would think that with the limited amount

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of sperm going around, eventually some
would raise their heads. Well, if

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you're talking about, you know,
is there a problem with incest and birth

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defects? All I gotta tell you
is watch the next couple weeks. Good

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teaser from that. I'm not gonna
spoil it. I'm not I'm spoil it

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for anything you got. You got
to tune in, man, you got

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to tune in. And I apologize
for sounding like I'm noodling you to reveal

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secret. I'm genuinely interested. No, you gotta watch because I'll tell you.

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We're We're diving into incest, We're
diving into frauds, We're diving into

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criminal activity. We're diving into,
you know, corruption on all levels of

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government. We're diving into all kinds
of things that that that, and we're

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I'm investigating it with the help of
these brave women who stood up and said,

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yeah, not anymore. We're doing
something about this. Nobody has to

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suffer the way that I suffered.
It is a fascinating topic. I bet

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you will enjoy it. And it's
on A and E. Secrets of Polygamy.

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Matt Browning, thank you for joining
us and for bringing the story to

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life. Oh you bet, Thank
you for having me. Thanks for listening

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