WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:07.480 This is I on the Wall with Steve Rivera and Jagon Zalis on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:14.599 fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services Ensure Your Most Prized Possessions, Katz R 3 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:19.160 two SAD and iHeart Radio Station. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome 4 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:22.559 to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, 5 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:27.480 he's Jagon's ass. Bit's bring your kids to work today. So we 6 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.600 have two. We have two, dude, Noah, you know what, 7 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:34.320 I've got underwear older than both of us. Hope you watched that. Under 8 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:39.399 Noah and Sid we'll have some opinions of nineteen year olds, twenty year olds 9 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.679 and hope they guide us and get us our names correctly, save us from 10 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:48.439 ourselves kids. Yep, yeah, weah. You have an apology to make 11 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:52.640 or a clarification clarifica. Oh yeah, you know last night or yesterday when 12 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:58.320 we were talking about bad players out there and pay the next cancers and YadA, 13 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:03.480 YadA YadA, we mentioned aj We Okay, I you agreed, so 14 00:01:03.519 --> 00:01:06.959 you're a part of it. I said, Ajay Brown plays for Arizona. 15 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.920 We were thinking of Antonio Brown the Steelers. Later Tampa Bay receiver who walked 16 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.079 out in the middle of a game. That guy. This is like a 17 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:21.640 correction on the paper, a little little three paragraph. Yeah, we got 18 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:25.680 we we uh. Some somebody emailed the radio station, uh, and we 19 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:30.400 got it forwarded to us and so uh, let's see this came from somebody 20 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.400 named uh. Who's the woman Pattie Stevens listener. Thank you Patty for listening. 21 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:38.680 Thank you for correcting us. But you know, join a large group 22 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.359 of people who have done that over the over time, we get a lot 23 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:45.680 of corrections. Do you now have a grudge on A. J. Brown? 24 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:52.239 Because that's just that's the that's the name that that came to my head. 25 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:53.159 What was it like? What were you guys? We were talking about 26 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.640 guys who are painting the ass on teams and guys who wrecked teams. You 27 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:05.079 said Odell, Yes, he said Aaron Rodgers. No Rogers. We did 28 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:08.520 say Irie Irving, I talk about Okay, made too. It started. 29 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:13.159 The conversation started with Kyrie Irving And then would you want him? Would you 30 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:17.759 want him compared to Kauai? That was the conversation. No, would you 31 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:22.159 rather have somebody good who's a total pain in the You know what would you 32 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:24.120 have somebody who's not there all the time but really damn good and a really 33 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:29.199 good guy. I'd rather have Kawhi quite quiet. You know, the one 34 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:31.120 thing about him is like he's never gonna be the reason why a team falls 35 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:35.680 apart. They just like, well, he might be because he's if he 36 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.120 doesn't play didn't show right, if he doesn't play that best ability. It's 37 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:42.439 a different, different reason for reason, but not a bad reason. Hey, 38 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:44.919 welcome to Thursday. We have a big show. We have a lot 39 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:47.680 of stuff corns to talk about with the NFL draft here right, Um, 40 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.800 Well, in fact, a better text Pat Finley, So he's ready. 41 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:54.639 Pat Finley, our friend Formers, a daily star writer covers the U, 42 00:02:55.400 --> 00:03:00.080 the Bears and the NFL for the Chicago Sun Times. He's he's in Kansas 43 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.639 City for the UH for the drift to draft. So he's gonna be on 44 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:09.960 talk from more from a national perspective. Uh and uh just give us mean 45 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:14.000 you know some some of the Bears, some of the Bear stuff, but 46 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.759 you know, more from nation a national uh standpoint. And then at four 47 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:22.039 fifteen we're gonna have justin spears, which you know I couldn't decide if this 48 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:23.680 was weird or not, you know, because he's got the radio show. 49 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.319 But he's in the morning now, not really a competitive our good friend. 50 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:30.400 He's in Kansas City as well, covering it for THEIRS on a daily star, 51 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:34.879 pretty much covering Beijean Robinson and what happens with Beijeon. So we want 52 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:37.919 to talk to him. We'll talk to him more about Beijean. But Robinson, 53 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:39.439 you know, I think they're friends. You know they've had yeah, 54 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:43.159 no, no, no, he's twenty seven, Bijan's about twenty. But 55 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.680 yeah, but you know they had like STAPs, a little bit of a 56 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:49.960 relationship when Justin's dad passed, and uh, and he's just written some nice 57 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.680 things about him. He's covering him in Kansas City. He was there when 58 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:59.360 Beijean did some promotion at Keynes I think yesterday, So he's he's over there. 59 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.280 So we got boots on the ground in Kansas City for the draft. 60 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:04.400 Yeah cool, okay, Uh, And hey, I think Tucson. You 61 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:09.599 woke up today and Tucson felt a little bit better as brighter. You can 62 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:15.639 see the heat, no clouds, the sun birds are singing bright. Carter 63 00:04:15.720 --> 00:04:20.399 Bryant decided to commit to Arizona and Facebook. Shut up. It did for 64 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:25.439 a little bit, just completely quiet out until they started here. I started, 65 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.600 Oh, he's the one and done. Uh uh, he's not committed 66 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:31.319 yet, she's not signing. Well, somebody did say it's official. Not 67 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.319 it's not official. He just said he's coming. You know, I'm dating 68 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:38.879 Miss America, but she has a pitbull on her nose. Shut up enough 69 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.399 enough exactly exactly, which which kind of leads me to, you know, 70 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.319 with all this conversation about Arizona basketball since the season ended, something that I 71 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:50.399 wanted to to talk about, and that was this is the conversation said, 72 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:54.519 yeah, okay, and that was um, I don't know. Did you 73 00:04:54.560 --> 00:05:00.160 see the clip of Jannis after after Yeah, fantastic? All right, I 74 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:01.000 want to I want to That's what I want to talk about. It. 75 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.319 I set it up. What I want to talk about is that. So 76 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:08.519 let's play the clip and then let's talk about uh, you know what. 77 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:13.120 Let's just play and then we'll have a conversation. Okay, go ahead. 78 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:20.160 It's I just asked about the exact same question. But I'm curious for you. 79 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:26.360 Do you view this season as a failure? Oh my god? Oh 80 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.879 okay, because I'm not at you ask me the same question last year, 81 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:38.240 Eric, Okay, Uh do you get Do you get the promotion every year 82 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.240 on your job? No? Right, So every year you work as a 83 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:45.639 failure, yes or no. No. Every every year you work, you 84 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.800 work towards something two ars ago, right, which is to get a promotion, 85 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.079 to be able to h take care of your family, to be able 86 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.079 I don't know, um, provide the house for them, or take care 87 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:59.240 of your parents. You work towards ago. It's not a failure. It's 88 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.480 steps too, you know. And if you've never I don't know. I 89 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.879 don't want to. I don't want to make it personal. So there's always 90 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:12.040 steps to it, you know. Um, Michael Jordan played fifteen years, 91 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.160 one sixth championship. The other nine years was a failure. That's what you're 92 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:21.079 telling me. I'm actually your question yes or no? Okay, exactly, 93 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:26.040 So why are you asking me a question? It's a wrong question. There's 94 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:29.560 no failure in sports, you know, there's good days, bad days. 95 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:31.639 Some days, some days you are able to be successful, so that you're 96 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:35.040 not some days it's your turn, so days not your turn, And that's 97 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:40.160 what sports about. You don't always win. Some other other people's gonna win, 98 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.040 and this year is somebody else is gonna win. Similar as that we're 99 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:45.600 gonna come back next year to try to be better, try to build good 100 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:49.920 habits, try to play better, not have a ten days stretch with playing 101 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:54.319 bad basketball, you know, and hopefully we can win a championship. So 102 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:58.720 fifty years from ninety seventy one twenty one that we didn't win a championship, 103 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.720 it was fifty years of fail No, he was not he will steps do 104 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:06.319 it, you know, and we were able to win one. Hopefully we're 105 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:13.040 given another one. I thought there was a fantastic response, incredible answer. 106 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:15.800 I obviously I think first of all, I'd say I agree with everything he's 107 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.079 saying about it's steps success. I do think a lot of it sounds like 108 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:23.839 someone who's trying to justify his you know, disappointment and like lack of success 109 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:28.240 verseason, which is true. But the thing is like the way he's he's 110 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.879 justifying, he's kind of like who he is and what he's done for the 111 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.000 franchise, kind of what's what's happened with the franchise. Everything there is like 112 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:39.399 you can't really argue that it's it's facts. Like he's go ahead, and 113 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:44.439 well, President used used a work because and and I've heard a lot of 114 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:50.240 different conversations about this today. There's failure and there's disappointment. Clearly a disappointment. 115 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:56.959 Okay, let's say you know the Bucks were the number one seed in 116 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.319 the NBA. I mean they were the top you know, they were had 117 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.319 the best record in the NBA, number one seed, They're supposed to win 118 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.399 it. It's a huge disappointment, no doubt about that. Is it a 119 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:09.759 failure? And I and the reason I the reason that the conversation caught me 120 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.920 because it brought me to Arizona. Right, Arizona is a number one seed 121 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:16.920 in the tournament. Last year, didn't win the national championship. A lot 122 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.480 of people still see that season as a failure. Is a disappointment? Yes? 123 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:22.199 Was it a failure? I don't think it was a failure the same 124 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:26.560 thing this year. Was it a disappointment to lose to Princeton? Absolutely? 125 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.120 Was it a failure in that game? Absolutely? But did that make the 126 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:37.759 entire season a disappointment the way so many fans continue to see it months later 127 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:41.799 or a month later, you know today? And I thought his answer was 128 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:48.440 great and I particularly thought where he said Michael Jordan won six championships and fifteen 129 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.919 where he didn't, or nine where he didn't. There were fifteen total nine 130 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.159 where he didn't. Were all nine of those seasons where he didn't win the 131 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:03.519 championship failures? Was was Jetfishes five and seven season last year because they didn't 132 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:07.039 win a PAC twelfth championship? Was that a failure? And I really thought 133 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.840 what he said, I hope a lot of people listen to that. Go 134 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.480 ahead. I think, well, I think I think because the two things, 135 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:18.320 it's kind of like two things make it so this answer is is kind 136 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.200 of great and not like could be the opposite. One of them is that 137 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.360 Jimmy Butler is the reason why they lost. Like you can't you can't tell 138 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.720 me that that performance in a playoff series is like not one of the best 139 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.279 of all time, right, And like, second of all, I think 140 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.720 this NBA is probably the most competitive it's like ever been because usually there's like 141 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.759 you know, there's maybe a few teams, like the eighth seed has been 142 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:39.799 the one seed several times the last couple of years. That's never happened in 143 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.399 NBA history, you know, Like besides, but you can see these guys, 144 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.840 you can see Miami winning the whole thing. So so let me throw 145 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.360 a few things out because we've talked about this before. Yeah, I thought 146 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.039 it was a fantastic answer. There was no right or wrong answer, because 147 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.919 you could have blown up and say I don't need and I'm probably happy that 148 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:00.200 he didn't because he could have. So many others could tell you is a 149 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.399 good dude, because another bad, bad, not so good dude would have 150 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.720 just said, hell with you. I'm not answering this, quint answering the 151 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:07.559 question, So let me next question. Let me throw some things that you 152 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.320 We've covered basketball here for a long time. I'll give you ninety seven surprise, 153 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.960 right, they went into all and everybody's happy. Ninety eight is at 154 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:18.039 a disappoint appointment or a failure. It's a disappoint it's a huge disappointment because 155 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.000 they were they were the best team two thousand there were the number one seed 156 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.600 overall. They didn't get past Wisconsin second round. That was kind of a 157 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.919 surprise, you know. Two thousand and one, they had the power might 158 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.279 arguably the best team ever, but they ran into a pretty good duke team. 159 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.840 Right, But no one talks about that fantastic team in one thousand and 160 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.240 one. So that my question is you're saying, like like disappointment, disappointed, 161 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.639 what would you define as a failure, Like what would be an example, 162 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:45.039 like, Okay, as I said a minute ago, losing to Princeton, 163 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.279 that game was a failure, right, they failed that they failed on 164 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.960 that day, but that game did not make the entire season. So a 165 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:56.200 failure you're saying, like like the game or whatever an event, could you 166 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.519 can have a failure? You can you know, you can miss a three 167 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:03.879 foot to win the Masters. Yeah, like like the Bucks letting Jimmy Butler 168 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:07.240 score basically like forty points a game. It's like you can say that is 169 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:09.960 a failure, but their season ending in the first round is not a favor, 170 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.600 right, And that's and that's that's what the question was, is this 171 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.080 season a failure? And I loved his answer, Well, so two thousand 172 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.399 and one, okay, then a ninety eight, which was it was probably 173 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.840 a combination of a lot of things. Uh, two thousand and one, 174 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.600 we can go through. It's funny because I asked this question of of of 175 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.679 Miller in twenty seventeen, but I didn't ask it a winner of failure, 176 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.399 because that's not a no win situation. How do you reflect on a year 177 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.039 that you did? You know, how do you reflect on this season when 178 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.480 you were expecting when that's a legitimate way to answer ask that question, I 179 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:43.840 hope, And I asked if you look at the transfer, I asked Tommy 180 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.720 Lloyd the same thing. You've had a lot of success. How would you 181 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.879 reflect on this when you have time to reflect? How would you look at 182 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:52.519 this? And he talked about winning the PAC twelve tity you know all that 183 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.200 stuff. Yeah, yeah, grand scheme of things. There's more checks on 184 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.519 the good parts than on the bad parts, right, And that's the thing, 185 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:05.559 and that that's and that's what bothers me about about not just Arizona fans, 186 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.399 fans in general. It fans. It's either you're a success or a 187 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:13.240 failure. Well, there's a lot of stuff in between. What like what 188 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.799 they say, a lot of it, like most of it, it's basically 189 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.639 all situational. You know, it depends on like who you are, what 190 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:20.639 you've done, who the opponent is, what the outcome was. Well, 191 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.279 other factors influence it. If you're looking at the bucks, like there's there's 192 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.320 so much more to it. You can't just no one. No one here 193 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.759 is like completely shocked that the Bucks lost in five to Miami, Like it's 194 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.080 shocking, it's a disappointment. No One here is like there's no way I 195 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:35.840 never saw that happening with you know, but failure is such a strong word, 196 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.799 right, It's like, I hate this postion when you're trying to put 197 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:45.679 failure on something as large as an NBA season, I just don't feel like 198 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.240 you can do that. You can put failure on a specific thing. You 199 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.200 know, you strike out to end the game in the game in the World 200 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:54.799 Series, that's a failure. That at bat was a failure. But you 201 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.840 can't say because he struck out and you lost the World Series that your entire 202 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:01.399 season is a failure. Well, go ahead, I was gonna say, 203 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:03.519 I think. I think, like like you're saying the whole season. It 204 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.720 takes it takes so much for you to say a whole entire NBA season was 205 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:09.240 a failure. But you can easily say, like a game, an event 206 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.120 in a series, like after the trade deadline, you know, the Kyrie 207 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.279 and Luca thing, You could say that part of the season was a failure. 208 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:20.639 That was what like one third of the season, say the whole season 209 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.360 was a failure. That trade, well, let me say this to San 210 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.559 Diego State got to the finals of the NCAA Tournament. Was that a failure? 211 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.480 Hell no, exactly who expected it? Right? Right? You got 212 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.519 there, you did it as best you because that was not a failure. 213 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:35.080 That was just, uh, not even a disappointment. And we look at 214 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:39.200 the Kansas Kansas is thirty four and two season or whatever that was in ninety 215 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.240 seven when Arizona beat him in the sweet sixteen, they lost in the sweet 216 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:48.960 sixteen to Arizona, the eventual national champion. Did that make that entire season 217 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.679 the failure? It was a disappointment, and that game was a failure, 218 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.000 But the whole season as a whole, it was not a failure. And 219 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:00.639 that's what I think. That's the way Jannis put it yesterday is I think 220 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.200 we've been trying to say that, at least I've been trying to say that 221 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:05.480 for a long time and haven't been able to say it that way. He's 222 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.559 way younger than me and obviously smarter than me right now. He's been too, 223 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.759 but you know, he's been, he's been, he's been a professional 224 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.200 athlete, and I love the perspective of the athlete in that comment. I 225 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.279 thought it was great. Let's just really, I think I think it's a 226 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.480 lot easier to find to find a single event or shorter set period of time 227 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.840 or action as a failure versus like disappointment. Is it should be used more 228 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:28.840 for a season or I can say exactly, and that's it, and and 229 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:33.120 so Arizona fans, I'm talking to you, all right. The seasons can 230 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.159 be disappointments, but they're not. It's not a failure every time they don't 231 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.519 win a champion. Yeah, there's only one right, and only one right, 232 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:43.960 only one team wins. It's I'm gonna go back to loot all the 233 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:46.679 time. But real quick, that's why he doesn't want this type like the 234 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.320 PAC twelve tournament. You have the bowl games, you have one winner and 235 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.600 who doesn't win? Right? Uh? And not no tournament right, just 236 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.759 because there's too many disappointments, right right, All right, let's let's hit 237 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.720 the We're gonna come back. We're gonna have Pat Finley talking. He's at 238 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:07.159 the NBA Draft tonight. We'll talk to him about more from a national perspective. 239 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.720 Who's going to go early whatnot, so we'll be right back with Pat 240 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.480 Finley. 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Do you think you're gonna 298 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:48.839 be surprised with what the Bears do tonight or not? And probably yes? 299 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.759 Number one nobody knows anything. I mean a couple of years in covering the 300 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:59.200 NFL to know that nobody knows anything. And number two, as long as 301 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:00.759 you pick us far back aince the Bears do and they're at number nine, 302 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:04.559 euro are subject to the winds of what the eight people do in front of 303 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:08.839 you. And I think this draft, more than most I can remember, 304 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:14.119 has a lot of volatility between two and eight. I think we all know 305 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:17.599 who's going first. Beyond that, I wouldn't want to be the guy gambling 306 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.359 on who's going two, three, four or five six seven? Right, 307 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:25.279 Well, the Bears traded down from number one, so you know when that 308 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.920 happened or since that happened, is there a sense of the strategy there they? 309 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.000 You know, they you know, they didn't have any you know, 310 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:34.839 they've got their quarterbacks, so there wasn't anybody else that they would want to 311 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.640 go number one. So they're down to number nine. You know, will 312 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.759 they get the level of guy that they want to get at that at that 313 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:47.440 number. But the reason they made the trade is I'm not sure that they're 314 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:49.000 convinced to Justine Field does the guide quite yet, but they want to give 315 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:52.000 them one more chance. We'll figure it out. And as long as you 316 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.160 make that trade with the Panthers, this means they have the panthers number one 317 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.200 pick next year, and they have their own and they have great insurance if 318 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.079 something happens to Justin Fields or if he just doesn't take the step that they 319 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.640 want him to take, they can go get a quarterback. Right So part 320 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.599 of the rationale for trading the pick was that right there. The other part 321 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:12.640 was DJ Moore, you've got to get Justin Fields some help, and they 322 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:17.599 did with Dj more So that's the rationale there. They think that they're somewhere 323 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:22.440 between six and eight kind of no doubt picks in this draft. Maybe not 324 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.680 all of them or future all pros, but they're they're kind of blue chip 325 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.240 guys in their grading system. They're drafting nine. So we'll see whether any 326 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:34.160 of those six or eight get down to them. Their hope is that quarterbacks 327 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:37.880 go fast. I think in a perfect world they'd like to trade back you 328 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:42.200 know, maybe go from nine to twelve something like that, because that range, 329 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.480 I believe they have a lot of guys ranked similarly in that range. 330 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:53.079 So what are their main helping in their main areas if they need to fix 331 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.240 Well, when you're the number one, when you've got the number one pick, 332 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.160 you had a lot of needs, right, Yeah, when you're the 333 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.680 worst team in football, is a long you have you'll have ten minutes. 334 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:10.839 Yeah, they need All they need to do is figure out how to block, 335 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:14.039 how to rush the past, or how to cover passes. Is that 336 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.799 that list? No, you know you probably start on at left tackle. 337 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:22.119 They don't. They had a rookie last year who was a fifth round pick 338 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.200 who did okay, but they can shift him over to write. They really 339 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:29.079 need help blocking for fields if they're going to figure out exactly what fields is 340 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:33.039 and that regard, you're looking at probably Paris Johnson, the Ohio state tackle. 341 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:37.079 Peter Skurovsky, the kid from jess down the street here at Northwestern, 342 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:38.920 and he grew up in Chicago. You know, I know a lot of 343 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:42.000 people who think he's more of a guard than a tackle. The cheese. 344 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:47.799 If you could get Quinton Nelson at nine, I mean that I think that 345 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.400 that's still worth it. Um, So you're looking at tackles. If one 346 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:53.640 of the two corners it's available, I think that they will think long and 347 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:56.720 hard about it. And then the two edge rushers at the top of the 348 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:02.599 draft, both Will Anderson in Tyree, the kid from from Texas Tech. 349 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:06.640 I don't think either of them are getting down to nine, but if they 350 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:08.720 get close, they got to think about it. The Bears passed us last 351 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:14.319 year was like the second worst they've ever had and this team has been around 352 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:18.279 for one hundred and two years, so that's saying something. So yeah, 353 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.440 they gotta they gotta fix everything. But let's start on both lines. You've 354 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:23.440 seen that meme from the woman from the Titanic. It's been eighty four years. 355 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:26.839 You're like, Finley, it's only been one hundred and two years. 356 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.319 Okay. So if if we gave you a three thousand dollars to bet on 357 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:38.359 draft Kings as two, don't do it. Put on the number on the 358 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:44.000 next quarterback drafted after Bryce Young at number one? Who is it? And 359 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:51.920 where you think he's gone? That's tough. I'll tell you what I think 360 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.000 of the guys. First, I think Anthony Richardson needs to be a good 361 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:59.519 college quarterback before I would draft him two, three or four. Right, 362 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.440 his skill set is great, but me and he fifty two percent of his 363 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.720 passes. I mean, did you watch him at Florida. It's it's it's 364 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:10.880 amazing to be there's a pretty big disparity. He reminds me if I may 365 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.599 of Mitch Trubiski of somebody who you watch him during the college season and you 366 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:18.000 go, you know, pretty good, but definitely not a top five pick. 367 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.119 I think c J. Strout is probably going to be in the second 368 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:26.799 quarterback taken. I'm gonna go too. I hate to him and haw here, 369 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.720 but I feel like the buzz we've gotten last week that the Texans weren't 370 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.240 going to take a quarterback second might have been a little bit of smoke. 371 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.799 I think there's probably pressure from ownership there to do something other than trotting out 372 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.240 Davis Mills for another season. And if I'm the Texans, I'm just not 373 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.240 confident that one of the four top quarterbacks will get to number twelve, which 374 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.640 is where their second pick. So and then well, and then there's Will 375 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:59.440 Levis. Yeah, I Indianapolis. It seems like something Indianapolis would do you 376 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.359 read the out you know, all the things that the Manning, all the 377 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:06.359 nice things that Peyton Manning says about him, and you wonder whether that takes 378 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:11.920 Indianapolis's own owner into the stratosphere in terms of wanting him. You know, 379 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:15.880 I think Levis can be a pretty good NFL quarterback, believe it or not. 380 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.559 But I think the buzz around him the last couple of days, he's 381 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.200 seen some of the gambling markets move that actually give him an outside chance of 382 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.839 being drafted first or second. I think that's a little bit over the top. 383 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.799 Yeah, So you talked about smoke. How much smoke is there in 384 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:34.559 the league on today for a daylight today and tomorrow and beyond. I think 385 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.200 the smoke was mostly the week leading up to today. I mean, you 386 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.680 hear stuff kind of at the last minute, but you know, you see 387 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:47.880 teams planting stuff. I think that they're teams hoping that certain players will fall 388 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:52.319 that might put out some negative opinions of that guy, to see if there 389 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.160 could be some public opinion there. But I get back to this, and 390 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:59.839 you know, as somebody who's written five mock drafts in the last twelve weeks, 391 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.960 I hate to admit it, but really there are very few people in 392 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.720 the world who know exactly what's going to happen, and everybody else is guessing, 393 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:14.400 and the idea of guessing has become its own cottage industry. And that's 394 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.799 fun. And I think NFL fans have fun with this in a way that 395 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.599 they don't have fun with any other event, right, So I really do 396 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:23.680 like it. But I think that the idea of people rising or falling, 397 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.000 I think it's kind of a myth. I think if I were a GM, 398 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.440 at least, let's see what you did on tape, you know, 399 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.960 And I don't know what you can do short of what Jalen Carter did to 400 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.279 move your stock up or down too far. You know. One of the 401 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:41.839 things that you hear is that this is this is a draft that is kind 402 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:48.079 of almost unprecedented in terms of the mystery after the first pick, that everybody 403 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:51.680 knows the first pick, that after that nobody has any idea, and it's 404 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:53.960 you know, usually you can say the first four or five, maybe even 405 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:56.960 more. This year's you got one, and then that's all nobody knows. 406 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:00.759 What the hell is going to happen after that, you know, and part 407 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.960 of the two, and that's a nice way of saying it's not a very 408 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:08.079 good draft. You know, I think will Anderson has the chancel. I 409 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.839 think Willi Anderson is the safest. If you wanted to sit there and say 410 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:15.400 who's going to make a Pro Bowl? I think Willie Anderson is probably the 411 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:22.000 safest pick there. You know, I think that Bryce Young is absolutely the 412 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.079 right pick at number one. But man, let's see, you know, 413 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.079 how his body can handle the NFL. I don't think anybody can stay with 414 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.200 any sense of authority, then they'll be able to make it through the riggers 415 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:34.759 of the league. And beyond that, I mean there's a you know, 416 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:41.319 any one of eight guys could go third, and I wouldn't be surprised at 417 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.079 all. Haven't been through a couple of these things with the drafted and back 418 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.119 in the day. Are these fun? I know they're hectic because you don't 419 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.839 know what to expect. You can't really pre write your story, you know, 420 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.119 get filling some stuff. But it's kind of crazy, isn't it. 421 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:56.559 Yeah, you can try to pre write a little bit, Steve trust me. 422 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:03.480 Um, Yeah, it's fun. Here's what's fun about it? In 423 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:08.359 Chicago this year, Bears fans, some Bears fans at least started rooting against 424 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:15.599 their own team, and probably second week of October last year, because there 425 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.680 were some sense that if they were as bad as they could be, they 426 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.160 might end up with the number one pick, and that was something that got 427 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.359 people through the year. I hadn't really experienced that in the NFL before. 428 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.319 I think that that's something that we often associate with the NBA, you know, 429 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.039 is there's an entire year where the fan base wants their team to lose. 430 00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.960 But that happened here, and you know, we watched a lot of 431 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:42.319 horrible football off and so I think the Bears fans have been waiting for this 432 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:47.039 for like nine months and you know, just to have a name in a 433 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:51.039 face to put your hopes onto tonight, that is really really fun. And 434 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:56.799 it's fun to watch these guys get generational wealth. It's fun to watch fans 435 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.480 build up every draft pick into a surefire Hall of Famer when we all know 436 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.279 that that doesn't really happen. Um, the hype in all of that for 437 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.240 the middle of April. It's a lot of fun. So here happens after 438 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:14.359 the season, during the season. Okay, so who's who's more nervous tonight? 439 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.240 The guys that are getting drafted or the guy's doing the drafting, you 440 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.680 know, the GMS and whatnot. Who's you know, if if it all 441 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.960 goes wrong, if they you know, put a you know, pick a 442 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.240 guy number one and he sucks and they're bad for years because of it. 443 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:33.000 You know who's more nervous tonight? Oh? Man? I mean the general 444 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.440 manager has got to be one of them, you know. The general manager 445 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:40.200 here, Ryan Polton has talked openly about kind of the pressure and the stress 446 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.359 that that comes with the job. You know, he speaks to a sports 447 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.440 psychologist once a month or every other week something like that. He actually has 448 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:51.119 somebody he talks to to help deal with that. I think it's I think 449 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:56.960 the fastest way to get yourself fired is to draft a famous slop, and 450 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.880 that is what we are talking about. That's what we're looking at with Ja 451 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.440 and Carter here. You know, he's probably the most talented player in the 452 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.319 draft. You know, he might be a steal for someone, but if 453 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.880 he's not, he's also the fastest way to gets fired. You know, 454 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.519 It's one thing to draft a flop or a bust. It's another to draft 455 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:18.279 somebody who is who would be famous for it. I think Jayleen Carter, 456 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:23.119 given the circumstances of this offseason, would be famous for flopping and it'd be 457 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.680 really hard to shake that as your GM. Well, yeah, no, 458 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.119 I can see that. I mean, you know, you take a guy, 459 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.000 he's got the baggage, he's got the history. He said, Okay, 460 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.799 we're going to take a chance on him, and then he lets you 461 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.279 down. I can see how that would be. Just man, how do 462 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:38.839 you know, how do you deal with that? I mean, the interesting 463 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.319 thing about the NFL is that gms typically get you know, four or five 464 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.720 years minimum. You know, let's you know, look at the hy in 465 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.400 Arizona. He lasted probably twice as long as I would have expected him too. 466 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.960 So you'll get a chance, but it's really hard to undo a mistake. 467 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.079 And you know, I think you even see that with free agency now, 468 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:03.519 is that GM are wary of throwing a whole lot of money at people 469 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.079 in free agency then aren't at the very top of their class, because you 470 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.960 know, the best way to doom your team is to make a big, 471 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:12.680 big mistake like that. So over the last few hours has been some buzz 472 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.559 that the Cardinals are going to try and move down from three. Are are 473 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.200 you hearing anything like that? I had heard that earlier this week. I 474 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.599 mean, to me, it makes sense. If you don't want a quarterback, 475 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:27.039 see what you can get for It's it's too bad that I think financials 476 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:33.119 have you know what Kyler Murray is thought has probably locked them into Kyler Murray. 477 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.480 Whether he's better than whoever they could pick here or not, but yeah, 478 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.400 see what you can get moved back. I know the Bears are happy 479 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:44.680 with what they got, and if the Cardinals can get in on that, 480 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.720 maybe move back five, six, seven spots and get a future one for 481 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.400 their troubles. I think that would accelerate the rebuild here. Pretty good? 482 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.599 Test you real quick. This is like a commenting on your neighbor's lawn and 483 00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.640 the weeds that they have. But if you feel if you feel like it, 484 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:05.279 how can you comment on the Cardinals quarterback Murray? You just mentioned him. 485 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.319 Is he any good? I don't think he is. I think I 486 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.359 may have. I think I may have told you a year or two ago. 487 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.440 I don't see it. I just don't think. I don't see it. 488 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:21.599 I think here's here's my football analysts take on it, which I'm going 489 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.359 to try and make this sound super serious, so bear with me. I 490 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:28.720 think you need to build an offense around him to make him work. And 491 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.680 I think it's just so complicated when your entire scheme has to be based around 492 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.400 a quarterback who, because of his size limitations, just can't do some stuff. 493 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.960 And you're going to run into that too with uh with the first round 494 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.839 or with the first overall pick tonight. With it with Bryce Young? Is 495 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.160 good luck putting putting him on her center if you can't see over his blind 496 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:52.000 you know, good luck trying to a type formation when his skill set is 497 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:58.119 being able to run around. You have to customize everything for Kyler Murray and 498 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.720 I think that's just really hard to do the NFL. And then there's the 499 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:06.039 you know, the idea, mean, he's very fragile, and you know 500 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:07.799 that's what people, you know, obviously saying about Bryce Young Lamar Jackson, 501 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.720 who's bigger than both of those guys and he can't stay healthy. I mean, 502 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.880 it's a you know, it's a tough go, but yeah, I 503 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:19.200 think it. I know that there were a lot of people who weren't surprised 504 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.680 that Kyler Murray got the money he got last year, But then there are 505 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.559 a lot of people who were like, that's too much, you know, 506 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:27.519 too much of a commitment to a guy that you know he can break any 507 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.440 minute. Yeah, and you know, that's what the NFL is becoming now, 508 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:35.400 and the Bears are gonna have this problem next offseason when Justin Field is 509 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.400 eligible for the contract extension. He's good to Bears, be happy to pay 510 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.039 him. If he's bad, you got a decision to make. And just 511 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.839 the price to play ball, even in the middle class the quarterbacks now is 512 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.039 a ton of just an absolute ton of money. Look what Lamar got today. 513 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.640 Yeah, I think Lamar's really good. I think I mean, Lamar's 514 00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:00.400 is the unanimous MPP. I don't mind him getting that money, but kind 515 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.039 of that next year really scares me. I mean, what do you pay 516 00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.079 to next year? I mean, what do you pay Trevor Lawrence? What 517 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:12.000 do you pay fields? If you're good, that's that's that's that's a big 518 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.199 risk. And you know, I think Murray is one of those examples, 519 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:20.440 as was Carson went of you throw a lot of money at a at a 520 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.559 quarterback who's a bee, hoping that he turns into an a and he just 521 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.000 never does. What A last question before we go. You've been covering the 522 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:28.880 team for a while now you can tell me him in the years, But 523 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.840 are the Bears gonna be of ten years? Are there gonna be any good 524 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:40.119 while you cover them? Um? Maybe in year twelve or something like that. 525 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.599 I have covered the Bears. The Bears have played in two playoffs games 526 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.000 since I got here, and they've lost both of them. I believe the 527 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:52.800 Pars Bears won three playoff games in thirty years something like that. So um, 528 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:57.079 yeah, maybe history is not time. I think they're at least another 529 00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.599 year into the into the rebuilt year, and um, you know, maybe 530 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.360 when they have those two two first round picks next year, maybe then they 531 00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.360 can use that as a springboard to be competitive. I think when you look 532 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.840 at the NFC North now, even without Aaron Rodgers, it's really easy to 533 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.639 look at the bars and see that they're going to be number four. Wow. 534 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:16.440 Okay, Well, good luck Patrick, guys, always Pad, we 535 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.840 appreciate it, Man, always fun to talk to you. Bet will be 536 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:25.000 well, thank you, Jean, But but we'll do yeah, we'll get 537 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.400 playing for you just so okay, all right, let's take our break. 538 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.360 Um coming up, we'll take your calls five to two zero four and six 539 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.440 seventy four forty Maybe go back to the conversation about you know, when is 540 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:38.079 the is the season of failure or is it just a disappointment? And then 541 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:42.280 we're going to breaking news. And then we're gonna have Justin Spears, our 542 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.840 old friend, Uh, young friend, are you young friend? Right? 543 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.440 He's he's at the NBA NFL Draft in Kansas City, and so we'll talk 544 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.119 to him about Bejean Robinsons. I'll stick around for all that. 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Give Rescue Home Improvements in HVAC a call at five two O two 594 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:29.000 four H two nine zero Again Rescue Home Improvements in HVAC. Called it Hey 595 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:37.400 streaming live on the iHeart Radio lap This is I on the Ball with Steve 596 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:43.039 Ribera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteenth fiftyy. Hey, welcome back to 597 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.760 I on the ball here, Fox Sports fourteen fifty On Steve, he's Jay, 598 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.800 we have a call. You're on the air. Hey guys, what 599 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:55.079 that be? Hey? Beck, how's it going good? Really good? 600 00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.280 What's on your mind? I just wanted to kind of expand on on the 601 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:04.400 Yannis thing. And Uh, first of all, let me tell you, 602 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:08.400 Jay, You're never coaching my kids ever with your participation, that sophy attitude. 603 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:14.920 I wouldn't let you. I wouldn't let you near them with that ball 604 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.159 team. You got me wrong, and I'll go ahead, go ahead with 605 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.719 your I just want to say the first thing is that, uh, disappointment 606 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:28.480 and failure are intertwined. Okay, they're they're they're almost the same exact thing. 607 00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.840 And I can guarantee you Jannis went home even after he kind of bit 608 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:37.519 off the reporter's head, and he doesn't feel like a disappointment. It's a 609 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.719 failure. He's not gonna stay it on national team. He just like the 610 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:45.280 reporter was probably kind of dumb to ask it because everybody knew the answer. 611 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:51.719 But it's intertwined. I remember a game and you're a baseball guy, j 612 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.280 my kid went four for four with three doubles against their arch rival, and 613 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.559 we lost the game. And she came home and tears. Adn't care that 614 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:07.519 her performance was was great and and it was a success. It was a 615 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.199 failure by her team. And you know her team. But your your your 616 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.159 apartment one or the other. You're agreeing, you're agreeing with what we said 617 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.079 though a game like that, yes, you can be a failure because you 618 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:23.760 lost. But did the whole season become a failure because of that one loss. 619 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.880 That's the point that we're trying to trying to make. And for the 620 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.079 records, I mean, I'll tell you you don't you really think that because 621 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:39.280 Zoo got all American and they whipped cows, but by twenty that the succeedson 622 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:45.000 was a success. If you asked Tommy going home, he might not say 623 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:50.800 it to you or out loud, but I can guarantee you he thought losing 624 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.559 the Princeton the whole season was a failure. M I'm not sure. I'm 625 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.239 not sure I agree that he would that he would say that. I'm not 626 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.039 I'm not sure that he would agree that the dollar I'm not sure that he 627 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.440 would agree that the whole season was a failure because of the way it ends. 628 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.519 You have successes by whooping cow by forty points, Well, you have 629 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:14.840 success by winning a PAC twelve tournament championship. Your season was a good season? 630 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.800 Was the total was a season of total success? Absolutely not. But 631 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.840 I don't think you're gonna call he's gonna call his season of failure. I'm 632 00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:29.159 pretty sure. Well, I was pretty damned disappointing. It was absolutely Victor, 633 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.840 aren't you a Dodger fan. I love this Dodger on Dodger crime. 634 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.960 I love this Dodgers Nudger crime. And it's been a lot of disappointments and 635 00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:49.440 failures the last few years. Just stick your terminology, your terminology. We 636 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.519 have thirty three years of disappose of failure from the Dodgerent guys know all. 637 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.039 You guys know all about it. You know what, say, you opened 638 00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.360 the door for Steve to pile on us. That's what happened there. That's 639 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.360 what happened right there. And he's and he is happy to do very much. 640 00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:10.039 So thanks. It's some antics, it is it is, And some 641 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:16.360 people say a disappointment is a fair I just liked the way it kind of 642 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:22.239 separated the two. I really do like the way there was a problem with 643 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.079 the question because he's that he'd asked that the year before, right, so 644 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:28.119 that he had set himself up for it. You know, if you could 645 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.760 have changed it a little may Yeah. Now, a piece of where I 646 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.480 disagreed with for Yanni said was, you know, as as a sports writer, 647 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:35.800 you're not trying to win every day. Yes, Or you're trying to 648 00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.800 write a good story every day, yes, but you know you're not trying 649 00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.000 to you're not competing to to you know, you're not winning a game, 650 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.159 you know, every single day. So I thought that that was that part 651 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:47.920 of it was a little tough. But I you know, I liked what 652 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.519 he I liked what he said. I disagree with Vick. I don't think 653 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.639 that Tommy thought his season was a failure. Did it end in disappointment? 654 00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.920 And you know, was you know the disappointing. I think there's a lot 655 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.440 of it that was. But I don't think he thinks the season with the 656 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.039 fan. But if you ask the fans one hundred fans in the room, 657 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.320 ninety ninety of them are gonna say was a failure. Failure, right right, 658 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.880 Only smart guys like you and me are gonna say, ye, disappointment 659 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.719 was unfortunate, whatever it is, what is I've been through thirties five of 660 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.760 them, seeing them all. You only win once, only one once? 661 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.119 Yeah, So yeah, you know I mean that, you know, the 662 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:29.519 game against Santa Clair nineteen ninety two, that was a total failure on that 663 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:31.679 night. But they were you know, they were seventeen and one in the 664 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.960 league, and they were a number number two seed in the in the tournament. 665 00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.920 So does the season feel like a failure? It sure does, but 666 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:44.679 I don't think it really the total thing is a failure. There were some 667 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.360 you know, they won a championship and a number of other things. So 668 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.480 again that gets to a point of difference of opinion in terms of you know, 669 00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.519 what's a blue blood what isn't you know, the all the all the 670 00:44:53.639 --> 00:45:00.480 arguments that we have Steeves. I just really liked the way Jannis put it, 671 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.960 and in a tough spot, you know, he could have just thrown 672 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.280 the finger at the gang, got up and walked out right right. He 673 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.400 answered the question I didn't see as you guess Shock talked about it. Do 674 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.280 you guys hear that. I didn't. I didn't see what he said, 675 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.039 what he talked about it. I think Richard talked about it too, Richard. 676 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.119 Richard Jefferson, I'm talking about it, Richard. One night after losing 677 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.599 too. I think he was Oregon State, maybe at Moregan and things, 678 00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:22.719 Organ State. Uh. Quirky and I were on the road and Quirky asked 679 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.599 him one of those type of questions and Richard went off on him, and 680 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:29.719 I'm thinking, Richard, come on, you know, come on, you're 681 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.119 better than this. Yeah, but you know what, You've just lost a 682 00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:36.519 game, a game and there's a there's no really cool enough period because you're 683 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.559 pissed. Yeah, and that's this. That's I mean, you know they 684 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.760 they've got to do it, but it's hard. I remember Gang got up 685 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.840 and walked out right. He answered the question. I didn't see, as 686 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:49.039 you guess, shock talked about it. Do you guys hear that. I 687 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.840 didn't. I didn't see what he said, what he talked about it. 688 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.960 I think Richard talked about it too, Richard. Richard Jefferson, I'm talking 689 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.440 about it, Richard. One night after losing too. I think he was 690 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.760 Oregon State, maybe at Moregan and Things, Organ state. Uh. Quirky 691 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.079 and I were on the road and Quirky has him one of those type of 692 00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.480 questions and Richard went off on him, and I'm thinking, Richard, come 693 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:08.239 on, you know, come on, You're better than this. Yeah, 694 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:12.000 but you know what, You've just lost a game, a game, and 695 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:15.000 there's a there's no really cool enough period because you're pissed. Yeah, and 696 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:20.079 that's this, that's I mean, you know they they've got to do it, 697 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.800 but it's marked. I remember another guy who we talked to kind of 698 00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:27.360 often, rich Rod, who hates who hates Losy. He lost to b 699 00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.280 Yu and I mean, have you never listened to him? Talk to him. 700 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:32.400 I'm not talk to him, but you know, listen to his press 701 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:36.199 conferences and stuff like that. So that was really cool. I have another 702 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.320 caller, Hi are on the air and I on the ball. Hey Jay, 703 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:45.639 this is done. How are you doing, Steve good Good? Are 704 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:52.159 you gonna let Joe? Are you gonna let your kids? You know what, 705 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.239 if you play to win and if all the kids get to play, 706 00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.719 but you get to play to win, and by that I mean you know, 707 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:06.519 against the lesser team, you let some of the lower kids come up 708 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:08.880 and play, some and get some experience, but you don't let the game 709 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.559 get away. You put the starters back in and make sure that you win 710 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.079 the game. Hey, can't let him my team. There you go, 711 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.199 all right, So it's on your mind. I'd like to I'd like to 712 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.159 ask ask Rick a question is how does he feel about being an Arizona fan 713 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:30.000 and they've only ever had one successful season? Right? Well, let me, 714 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.239 I know that victories have sting, and that wasn't even the best team 715 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:37.159 they've ever had. So no, I agree, I totally agree. A 716 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:43.000 good question because that's are all those other seasons failures and I just don't know 717 00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:45.800 that they are, right. I know he's a softball guy. So that's 718 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.280 a good question for the softball team because if they've won eight they had this 719 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.920 great run. Now they haven't been back or done well in years. Yeah, 720 00:47:55.000 --> 00:48:00.320 and then it's so it's so hard because Arizona was so dominant in those 721 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:05.239 years and now and now the talent is there's so much more talent and it's 722 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:08.840 more spread out. Yeah, let me ask you, don right, You're 723 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:12.199 you're a realistic guy. I know you are because you call it and you 724 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.079 sound realistic. Tell me the temperature of the Arizona fans because you kind of 725 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.000 agree with me that it's been it's old, dudes, it's history, but 726 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:22.679 they still want to live with it. So tell me what's the gauge of 727 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:29.880 a typical Arizona fan, football, basketball, whatever? I think. I 728 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:36.840 think football fans are hopeful. I think we've always been hopeful as far as 729 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:40.920 football goes, because we haven't had sustained success. We've had success here and 730 00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:47.480 there, and so I think football wise, we're a hopeful bunch. Basketball 731 00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:52.800 wise, I think we're a little bit entitled. I think most Arizona fans 732 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:59.360 um, I mean, how far do they got to get into the tournament 733 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.519 where it's not a disappointment to lose? Right? But you know, you 734 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:06.880 know if they if they lose in the regional final, is that worse than 735 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:12.599 losing in the sweet sixteen? Kind of yeah? Yeah. You know. 736 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.800 It's funny because when Steve asked you that question, I'm sitting here saying to 737 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:17.679 myself, I hope he uses the word in title talking about the years on 738 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:21.320 a basketball fence, because that's what they are. And you tell them that, 739 00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:25.400 they'll they'll deny that. Oh yeah, I mean. The thing is 740 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:30.800 is is and then the game is so much different now than what it used 741 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.719 to be. You could develop players, and you could develop teams, and 742 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.760 nowadays it's so it's such a quick turnover that if you're not on top of 743 00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.239 all the recruiting and everything else, and you know, don't know these guys 744 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.519 like, I'm not gonna go I'm fifty seven years old. I'm not going 745 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:54.119 to watch kids that are forty five years younger than me play baseball or basketball 746 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.960 to see what they're gonna do when they come to Arizona. I'm not doing 747 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.000 that. It's too much, too much homework for me, exactly. And 748 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:07.360 you have better use of your time exactly that too, I mean, and 749 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:09.440 any of that stuff. So now it's like, well let's see what they 750 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:15.519 do. Yeah. Um My my younger son as a six month old baby 751 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:20.159 girl, she loves watching Arizona basketball and the TV. Yeah, And so 752 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.440 he sends he sends us in a group chat. He sends us a picture 753 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.679 of her laying on the floor watch and you can see the game in the 754 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.000 background. And my older son, he calls, she watches more basketball than 755 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:35.559 I do. And they care about the same exactly. All right, don 756 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.079 Hey, we appreciate the call. As always, we got to go top 757 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.159 of the hour, so but thank you for the call, as all the 758 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:45.480 guys. I'm not disappointed and you done. Thank you so that you know 759 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.039 again, Uh, he's he's the exact words that I would have used if 760 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.840 you said, give me one word to describe a football fan is and a 761 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:58.760 basketball fan. I said, hopeful for football and entitled for basketball, and 762 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.119 he's those and those are the that you said that I said that on Facebook 763 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:05.119 people. Yeah, no, and then they are I mean, they're incredibly 764 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.480 entitled and that's uh, you know, but that's who that's who they are. 765 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:13.199 So and I use days in as in not us. Well, you're 766 00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.639 a fan and your guys, your group you hang out with, right right, 767 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.280 Okay, Um, top of the hour. We've got breaking news coming 768 00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.519 up with Nate and I think citizen here helping them with that. And then 769 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:27.679 we're gonna have Justin Spears from the NFL Draft in Kansas City where he's been 770 00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.480 working and hanging out with Bejean Robinson as Bejon gets prepared to possibly go in 771 00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:34.320 the first round. So let's stick around. We'll be right back