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Dark and walk in the glorious Monday
afternoon in the Tri State. The weather.

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If you don't like the weather,
just wait twenty four hours. We're

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going to go from cold to ice
to snow to seventy degrees and sixty miles

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per hour winds and who knows what
comes next Tuesday and Wednesday, plus later

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on we have on from Columbus,
Jack Windsor to talk about what's happening in

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the state's capital. At two o'clock
is Leland Viddert of News Nation, who

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was on site for the South Carolina
primary. And this is being spun by

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some as a victory for Nicky Haley
when she loses her home state by twenty

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one points, that's a win.
If that's a win, I don't want

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to see a defeat, my god. She's the two term governor of South

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Carolina and well respected, gets hammered
at home by Donald Trump. But until

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then, Once again, last week, Channel nine ran a story still being

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investigated about an additional twenty nine year
old man who had the crap kicked out

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of him in and around Fountain Square
and Government Square. And there's great concern

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from the social activist the Irish Roly
crowd that something's got to be done,

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which is generally higher social activists a
lot of money to walk around and do

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nothing. That's my editorial comment.
But Ken Kober is the president of the

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FOP and he's also walking in the
shoes of Dan Hills, Elmer dunnaway in

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the high heels of Kathy Harold and
Ken Coober. Welcome again to the Bill

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Cunningham Show. But I read something
about a new judge in Hamlety County,

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and this is indicative of a general
problem. It was simply misbehavior by one

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judge, you kind of let it
go. But when it's representing so much

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about what's happening. Judge Samantha Silverstein, newly elected I think, took office

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a couple months ago, has enacted
some policies and a little birdie whispered in

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my ear that a lot of the
cops are not are quite unhappy with what's

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going on. So, first of
all, Ken Cober, welcome this Monday

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afternoon of the Bill Cunningham Show,
and tell us your concerns about this new

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judge. Samantha Silverstein, Hi,
Bill, thanks for having me. Yes,

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yeah, I've immediately got complaints as
soon as she took the bench.

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She decided to an active rule that
says cops are not allowed to sit in

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a jury box, so which has
been a practice and is done now in

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every other municipal courtroom. But hers
if they want to sit in there and

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wait for their cake to be called, they can sit with the defendants in

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the gallery, or they can stand
out the hallway and wait for their case

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to be called. Now, I'm
going to go back in time because many

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don't understand what we're discussing. As
far back as I can recall, in

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the nineteen seventies, in municipal court, there's a jury box to the right

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or left of the bench, and
there's generally eight to twelve seats in there,

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and it's traditional to have cops in
uniform from Springfield Township CPD, Anderson

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Township, Harrison, whoever it might
be, deputy sheriffs, and the cops

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are there in case their testimony is
needed on a preliminary hearing or an emotion

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first appearance, whatever it might be. It's good to have the person who

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arrested the defendant to be present so
that the cop can say, you're on

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and this is what happened, and
the cop signs an under oath Haffi day.

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But this is what the defendant did. And so the reason the cops

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are in the jury box is because
if the cops are out in the hallway,

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then they interact with defendants and defense
counsel and family members. Things can

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get heated if they're sitting in this
more or less the audience. You're sitting

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with once again, defendants who have
not been arrested yet and or family members.

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And the gun, the mace is
applicable to people to your right and

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left. It's like theater seating so
many a half a century ago or longer.

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The judge and said, look,
police officers in uniform with weapons,

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you sit in the jury box.
And then if I need you to fill

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in the blanks, you're right there. And so have have you requested a

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meeting? And what is the reason
that Judge Silverstein, a brand new judge,

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suddenly said we're not going to do
that anymore, breaking presidents of a

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half a century? Was there a
reason? Given? My understanding is that

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she said, it makes it looks
like these cops are on a pedestal,

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like they have their own place to
sit, and she's just not going to

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allow it. She came out of
the Public Defender's office and legal aid,

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what do your coppers say about that? How is that received? Well,

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they're beyond frustrated. And like I
said, not only is it a matter

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of they're not on a pedestal,
they're there just because they're supposed to be

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their off duty. Mind you,
granted they're being paid that these are people

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that have already worked second or third
shift, you know, the day before,

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the night before. You know,
they're now waiting there, and there

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are certain safety concerns that if they're
sitting there with the general public and they

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decide that they want to try to
grab, whether it's their taser, their

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mace, they're gone. Those are
safety concerns that these officers have that are

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real safety concerns. And it's the
only judge in municipal court that has this

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practice. That's what's really concerning.
And so the officers say, this is

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dangerous for us, it's dangerous for
the public. Have you sign a direct

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meeting with Judge Samanthus Silverstein or not? So I have myself and another a

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high ranking command staff officer within the
police department reached out to her several times

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asking to meet just so we could
understand her perspective. Maybe there is some

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kind of rationale that we don't know
about that would make sense for this.

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I couldn't understand possibly whatever they could
be, but you know, just trying

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to be a decent person, I'm
like, you know, let's just see

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what she has to say. And
she's declined to meet with us, said

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basically, I'm not going to them. So that's kind of where it stands.

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As far as the second and third
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there, there are cops that are
getting off at seven am, and they've

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been up for many times twenty four
hours, and they're off duty in a

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sense because they're on duty, but
they get paid overtime when they work past

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forty hours. And I've seen these
cops kind of shuffle in and sit in

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the jury box so they can relax
a little bit. And they also provide

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security for the courtroom because if the
cops are outside in the hallway, if

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something happens inside the courtroom. I've
had it happen more than once. We're

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an officer in uniform sprung to duty
because of the way the defendant was behaving,

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and there's not like armed bailiff in
the municipal court anymore, so the

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cops are like there to provide security. And then it also to have a

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police officer, having just worked an
eight to twelve hour shift, stand outside

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in the hallway waiting for the case
to be called, meandering around. It's

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just disrespectful to the police. And
do you think, Ken Cober, this

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is a bigger problem by certain judges
and Samantha Silverstein, I know almost all

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of them. She's brand new.
She moved to our community about seven or

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eight years ago, and she came
through legal aid and she beat Kirk Kissinger,

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who was I think a fine judge
who understood the role of law enforcement.

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Is there something larger, because if
that's the signal, sense the police

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officers, who are the thin blue
line between democracy and anarchy, they ought

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to get a little special place,
they ought to be to sit down and

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jerry box away from the defendants they've
just arrested. Is there any sense this

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is symptomatic of a larger problem.
Well, sure it is. It just

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shows you the disrespect that's going on
within law enforcement. You know that they

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don't care. We're worried about the
defendant and what the defendant might think more

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than we are the officer, and
all I'm asking is to be equal.

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They are innocent until they're proven guilty. However, there are certain circumstances where

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an officer should be given a little
bit of treatment that would be maybe a

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little bit better than the public,
only because they've got weapons scrafted their shoulder

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to their waste, and we don't
want anybody to try to be attacking these

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officers. I don't think that's too
much to ask, and clearly all the

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other municipal court judges don't feel it's
too much to ask either, because that's

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a common practice. She is the
only one that is doing this, and

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this is a young female, brand
new judge who wants to implement kind of

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the theory he's had and been taught
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by the Public Defender's Office about certain
criminal justice issue at ken Cober. Do

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you have a sense the things have
metastasized the last month with the two attacks

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downtown of a mob of teenagers,
and then also Channel nine had a story

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Wednesday of last week that another twenty
nine year old was jumped. I understand

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from Channel nine that thing is still
under investigation, but you've been around a

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long time as a police officer,
how would you describe the respect given to

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law enforcement by members of the community. That's different now than it was ten

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or twenty years ago. There's much
less respect than there ever was. I

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mean, just treating somebody with common
decency is something that just doesn't occur anymore

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when you're talking citizen to citizens,
So it's only spilling over into law enforcement.

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And they've been nothing but emboldened and
empowered by what we've seen in national

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politics local politics, where the disrespect
for law enforcement's okay, and that is

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something that absolutely has to change.
Can you give us some a police perspective.

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I see these well intended social activists
like Iris Roli at Government Square during

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these bus transfers, acting as if, okay, we're down here, we're

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keeping an eye on things, and
in reality, that's a band aid on

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a cancerous tumor. Do you have
some resolution or something to Is it the

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bus pass system? Should we not
have dozens of dozens and dozens of teenagers

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out of the public school system transferring
downtown? Is there some placebo that could

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be used here or is there a
deeper problem? Well? Sure, let

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me first start by saying, you
having these social activists downtown, it does

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appear to be helping somewhat, but
it's something that's just not sustainable. They're

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not going to be able to be
there every day, every minute of every

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hour making sure that these kids are
doing what they're supposed to be doing.

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So in the interim, it is
a it's helping alleviate a little bit of

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the problem. The problem is the
moment that they leave is the moment that

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these bad actors are the ones that
are going to continue to convent these crimes.

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So they have to look at the
root of what is being caused,

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why are these things occurring? And
the first thing is, and you hit

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on it is allowing kids from all
fifty two neighborhoods to come down in a

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central location where they really don't like
each other to begin with. It gives

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them a venue to fight. Yeah, and that's all it does. And

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you have kids from the East Side
that don't like kids from the West Side,

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and oh, well, we'll see
them down there tomorrow after school or

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today before school and then we'll just
fight then. So they've got to find

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a solution to moving these kids about
around the city and understand that there are

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a lot of kids that come down
there every day that don't do wrong.

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It's the same forty fifty sixty seventy
kids out of five hundred that are the

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problem. And that's what they need
to figure out, is how do we

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address these fifty sixty kids. Do
you identify them and maybe you take their

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privileges away to come downtown. Yeah, because if they don't have a bus

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pass, they're not going to be
putting money in a machine to get on

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a metro bus. They'll stay in
their neighborhood. And if they're going to

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come down and commit these crimes,
maybe they should be staying in their neighborhood

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where they won't be subjected to the
other kids that are just trying to go

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to school and get an education.
Ken kober I can say this, you

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can't the face of crime and Cincinnati
is largely a black male face between the

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ages of fifteen and thirty years old, and that group represents a tremendous amount

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of crime committed. But the great
majority eighty ninety ninety five percent of those

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kids from Tafft to Ache and the
Western Hills or as good as my son

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or as good as your son.
They're good people. They simply want to

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get on with their life and stay
out of trouble. And so the face

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of crime and Cincinnati is largely a
young black male face. But the great

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majority of young black males have nothing
to do with crime. In fact,

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they're the victims of crime. They're
the ones who want the law to be

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enforced. But somehow those lines are
blurred, and that if a racist through

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somebody who's race, will think that
young black males commit crimes. Well,

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the great majority of young black males
have no desire to commit any crime.

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They're the victims of it and they
want it stopped. And if we could

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separate from our society about three to
four or two percent of young black males

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who repeatedly commit crime, life would
be a whole lot better. And nobody

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can say that because you can't use
a racial element. But having spent years

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and years in the criminal justice system, go to room A and just watch

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the age and the race of those
who show up as identified by their victims,

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and it's a black male face.
It's rare to have someone other than

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that commit serious crime. And the
issue is this, There was a time

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about ten years ago when the inquiry
put the face of every person killed in

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the city of Cincinnati, and one
hundred percent of the faces were black,

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and that was deemed to be racist
and racial and wrong, and the Inquire's

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never done it since. Because the
great majority of black folks want the same

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level of law enforcement that you and
I want, and the great majority want

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that. They don't like living hiding
behind the locked doors and not able to

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go out at night. That's a
problem. But those who commit crime,

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the small percentage, the small number
of young black males who commit crime,

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neil to be dealt with harshly to
send a message this behavior is unacceptable.

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And what part of my little diet
tribe there do you agree with or disagree

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with? You're absolutely correct. I
mean, the ninety percent of the people,

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ninety five percent of the people in
this city don't go commit crimes,

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right, And it's equally as high
as the amount of people that don't want

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crimes being committed. But a lot
of these problems all come down, and

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it all starts at the same things
in this young kid's house. Because the

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kid that at five or six years
old, is screaming, throwing temper tangents

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at the grocery store that isn't getting
corrected. Is the same kid that at

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ten, eleven and twelve years old
is now running to Kroger and you want

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a bag of chips and you know, and some pop. And then by

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the time they're fourteen and fifteen,
they're stealing guns, but the cars downtown

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and now they're shooting each other.
It all starts at the home. And

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I don't think anybody, regardless of
race, regardless of where you live in

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this country, regardless of your political
feelings, no one is going to disagree

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that these problems all start within your
home. That's what needs to be ultimately

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addressed in order to get something to
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in. It must be culturally unacceptable
to have children out of wedlock, culturally

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unacceptable to commit crime, culturally unacceptable
to fantasize about criminal misbehavior. It's got

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to be culturally unacceptable to be a
bad dude. It's got to be more

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acceptable to have the kid that gets
high grades, that's the kid that you

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admire, and not the one who
beat someone else up. But the government

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square bus stop and to go back
thirty to forty to fifty years and say

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the problem began when fathers were paid
not to be in the home, and

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fathers need to sit on sons more
than mothers need to sit on daughters for

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some reason. The face of crime
about ninety percent or more committed by males

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of whatever racial category. Males commit
more, great more crime than females.

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And young men need stern fathers who
love them dearly and want to be with

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that person and correct them when they
do things wrong. And at the end

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of the day when it doesn't work
out that way, we need a juvenile

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court judge, and we need judges
the municipal court and elsewhere all over the

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tri state to come down like a
ton of bricks on young folks in the

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beginning when they commit crime so it
doesn't metastasize, and not to give no

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bonds and no sentencing. And what's
happening is happening in every major city.

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Ken Cobra or the FOP, we
understand every city in America has exactly the

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same problem. Now Here, it's
not as bad yet as Detroit and Cleveland

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and Atlanta and Washington, d C. And Baltimore. But unless we have

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judges that respect law enforcement and separate
the good from the bad and correct those

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individuals through incarceration. We're going to
have the same argument years from today,

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and it's not about race because the
great majority of black folks have nothing to

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do with crime. But when wrongdoers
are identified, they must be held accountable

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for their misbehavior and ken Kober.
Lastly, in the good old days,

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there was one thousand, two thousand
people showing up to take the police test

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at Duke Energy Center. Your friend
Dan Hills told me about six months ago,

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a year ago, we need more
cops. If we would pay cops

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in Cincinnati to start one hundred thousand
dollars to start, and then from there

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you move on up the ladder from
there, wouldn't it be much easier to

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get cops instead of spending money on
street cars for hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Would you agree that if we paid
people more money, more would take

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the test and we'd have better law
enforcement. Well, sure, there's no

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doubt. I mean you look at
UPS and sat Ex and some of these

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other places that are paying those salaries
to start. If the city wants to

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do that, that would certainly go
a long way. And we are just

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beginning contract negotiations so now would be
a good time for the city to decide

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what kind of department and what kind
of safety do they want to have in

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this city. As we go through
this negotiation process, it's going to be

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interesting to see where their priorities truly
lie, Ken Cober, thank you.

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But Judge Shamantha Silverstein is part of
the problem, not part of the solution.

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Much like Judge Carrie Bloom who controls
juvenal Court. They got to do

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their jobs. It begins with the
respecting law enforcement who every day put their

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life on the line. The thin
blue line between democracy and anarchy are cops

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and to show them this disrespect,
to make the courtroom more dangerous, is

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not what a judge should do.
Ken Cober, once again, thank you

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for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, and Ken, we'll do it again.

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Thank you very much, Thanks and
thanks for having me. Let's continue

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with more. Yeah, the face
of crime in Cincinnati as a young black

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male fan, but the great majority
of young black males have nothing to do

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with crime. Let's continue. Bill
Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WLW.

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