M m m m m m. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's
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to think for yourself. I'm your host, Jeff Grub with me is me
Mike Manati. In today's episode, Kiwi doesn't want you getting excited about games
com Xbox three sixty store is dying, and Alan Wake is getting a spooky
delay. But first of Mike, are you doing? They are going to
come for Zelda? I'm doing good? Jeff, how are you doing?
I'm coming for Zelda. I'm doing I'm doing good. I'd rather be playing
Starfield, if I'm being completely honest, Like that's just true. Yeah I
was doing that too. It's so weird to review two games like one I
can't talk about it like at all on the other one and they're like,
yeah, let's tell everybody, Yeah exactly, yeah I told him we're playing
that, Like yeah, so I'm sure, why not? I don't mind.
Are you wearing? And that's the shirt today because you're being cute about
the Starfield thing? I mean it was okay, it was the first shirt
I picked up, but I definitely said yes to it because of Starfield.
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I probably would have were weren't in either
way, But here we are. Yeah, we got codes today for Starfield.
That's what's going on. Well, I guess well, I mean,
there's not much else to say about that. We're not we're not allowed to
say much else, but I think we're allowed to say that we have codes,
we're playing it. I think we were able to say when the embargo
is I forget that part. Yeah, I'll talk about it in a second,
but I don't know. How are you doing otherwise? Oh, I'm
doing really good. I did a show with Jeff Jared today. That was
surreal. That was I was gonna ask. Yeah, it seemed like it
went well. I listened to what I could. Did you have fun?
Yeah, it was a lot of fun. He's a nice guy. Uh.
He was very interesting when I told him about RBS and how it started
in Ohio. Uh. Yeah, I think we're buds. I think he
seemed to really impress with my grilling knowledge. So I was wow, he's
he's from Tennessee, right, so exactly he would appreciate that. I would
think I you know what it is, you know what, you know what
the problem is downloading Starfield on Xbox as well. I made a mistake.
It's my fault, it's it's you know. But who could do anything to
stop that could be causing all these dropped frames? You know this is a
frame. We haven't any other drop frames. But since then you've also broken
up on Discord, broke up your video went PIXELI for a second, do
you want me to have Vampire? You'd pause that download? Jeff com it's
almost done, yes, all right, yes, just give me a second,
yeah, all right, Yeah, Jeff Jarret's was a very fine fellow.
Uh, Jeff Grub try to put a fast one on me. He
caught in the show. Made it so that I would have to sing Jeff
Jarret's like country song from the bid nineties, So I try to learn as
much of it as I could. Then when it came time to sing it,
I froze and forgot the lyrics, so I had to improvise my own.
But yeah, it worked out okay in the end, here you are
hello. I paused it using my Starfield controller. I like my Starfield controller.
It would hypothetically be very fun to play that game with mouse and keyboard
and then when you're in the ship to pick up your starfield, like it's
like Spaceship the line time. Yeah, with all these cool ship things written
all over it and like that are accurate to how it actually works in the
game. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. Okay. Yeah, let's let's
see what we got going on. Yeah, I'm done with Pickman for I
did it all. You did it. I saw you post that picture.
You the hell out of that game. Well, I think so some people
get back why you didn't like do this side, like because you talked to
the space people and they're like, I want four garlic ballby boys, And
I'm like, uh sorry, you know, I'm like cool, that sounds
like your problem, not mine. God, every treasure explored, every area
found, and cured every stranded person that it did everything. Yeah, good,
I think I'm probably done with that game. I would like to go
back and get the last few treasures that I have not gotten, but just
out of time, out of time, so too much else going on.
Maybe that you've beat another game. I did beat another game. I beat
Tears to the Kingdom. Yeah, yeah, I think we'll talk a little
bit about that. At the end of the show, just to wrap things
up, we'll say a ton I don't think because it's the very end,
but I can probably just talk about my overall, all right, everybody else
is beaten and that's true, exactly, yes, all right. You can
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talk to you all while I'm playing Starfield or something, and I will not
make any gestures about actually playing anything that multitask game. So I'm sure it's
going to go very well. That's exactly right, all right, So we
have the big topics of the week. Of course, Starfield. Everyone is
getting codes, it's available for preload. It seems like they are there.
Seems like they're pretty confident about this game. This is not the way that
they treated Redfall for example. No, by the way, Shawn does not
like the doing Jeopardy tomorrow thing for some reason, so I guess that's not
happening. Everybody. We have to do it. Sean wants Yeah, yeah,
No, I think that. I think that's exactly it. Jeff.
I think they have swagger. Let's Starfield. I think that they are incredibly
confident. They're getting code out early, they're giving it to, you know,
anybody, seems like almost anyone who wants won. It's not like there's
only one code for your outlet kind of you know. They were just like,
how many need you need? I was like, I would like going
for everyone on the staff, and then they were just like, all right,
here it is. I'm like, okay, cool, and then I
made everyone in the slacks say nice things about me before I gave him the
code. So that's like, I'm Mike, ma, naughty move. I'm
teaching you. Well, I'm walking on sunshine over here. I see why
you do it good? It does? Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah.
I think the other thing is the marketing blitz for this game has not necessarily
like kicked in that I've noticed still, but coming off of Boulter's Gate three,
is even necessary anymore? Yeah? Right? Yeah, like it's it's
not like Bater's Gate three out a super book exactly. Yeah. I don't
think it had a commercial. I don't think it did. Yeah, I
didn't even have reviews. Right the hell did people find out it's just the
bear fucking that's all the bear fucking? Uh? Yeah, I don't know.
I don't look. Maybe, for all I know, their ad campaid
is in full force, and I wouldn't really know because I don't even know
how you advertise anymore. Yeah, right, I don't have I just actually
canceled my YouTube TV, so I don't even have that anymore. But I
wasn't like sitting around for the commercials even when I did, so Yeah,
I don't know. I guess we're gonna see. My hunch is this game's
gonna do very well, Mike. I think it's gonna do great on game
Pass, and I bet, I bet it's gonna sell a lot on Steam,
and I bet it's actually gonna sell on Xbox as well, because a
lot of people are like, this is what I bought an Xbox four.
I don't need a game, I don't need game Pass, just just to
play this one game, So I'm just gonna buy it. So I expect
it's gonna do very well. It does seem like the hype is building.
I think it was pretty smart for them to let people say they have the
review code so that they people would be like, well, listen, how
many people are playing it now? That makes me want to play it more
so. I mean it is a bit of a marketing beats and I know,
like it seems distasteful to some people, but I don't like yeah to
me, so I don't know. Uh yeah, sure, I'll say I
have a review code whatever. Yeah, you know, just uh the review
embargo August thirty first, I think it's around mid day. Is the embargo
that day? But it's not that they You and I are going to Seattle,
Yes, yes, it is. So we're on the same playe going
there. Isn't that fun? It'll be fine. Yeah, well we'll stream
Starfield from the from the sky everybody. We will not that's not gonna work.
It's that unsafe, don't They don't. They don't let the president vice
president flying the same playing You know, that's true, exactly right. The
game game messes could be potentially permanently compromised. I don't don't do a sequel
to uh, what's the American Pie songs? They just called American Pie.
Yeah, it's called American Pie. There's a lot of words in that song,
like it could be named after any of them. It's called Helter Skelter.
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. I'm thank you all right
now. Jeff Keeley provides update on games Com Opening Night Live, emphasizing updates
rather than new announcements is what people should be looking for. The August twenty
second event will showcase many many announced previously announced, that is to say,
upcoming games such as Allen Wake two and Blackmith Wu Kong. This year's Opening
Night Live is aimed at giving fans updates on those kinds of games due out
over the next twelve months, rather than unveiling brand new projects. This is
according to an interview that Jeff Keeley did with VGC, the Game Awards producers
regular preshow presentation with the German games Com Expo is returning last year. It
was an in person event for the first time since twenty nineteen. This is
not too surprising for games Com, right, No, I mean that's usually
I know people are kind of expecting this game's calm to pop off a bit
more than usual. Who knows. But I mean, even even though I
don't think this is the spirit of what he's saying, because I think what
he's trying to say his lawyer expectations. But if we're taking him literally,
there's still like games that have quote unquote been announced that we could find out
a big stuff about, like a Perfect Dark a tomb Raider. Right,
So like some of stuff that we know is out there and exists, but
I don't know much about it, haven't really seen in any significant way.
Right. And Xbox is there, Nintendo is there in some form, a
bunch of third party publishers there, Sony not there. Sony probably going to
have its own showcase of some sort, whether it's a you know, PlayStation
direct wherever the fuck they call him, or a State of Play stay to
play, or a big showcase. Yes, they probably have one of those
coming in the next month or two, maybe maybe longer. Nintendo, though,
we're gonna have a direct, probably in early September. So will they
have anything to announce at Games Come. I know there's been rumors about that
hardware potentially getting talked about in some form at games Com. That would still
be very weird, but also not on the rum of possibility. So uh
yeah, big things could happen. It's just like I don't know. We
always do the thing of like, let's list every possibility, and then by
listing every possibility, it's like one percent of those things actually ends up happening,
when in reality, like, of course, that's that's what was going
to happen. So I really don't know where to set expectations. And we're
trying to tell people reasons to be excited, and I'm inclined to believe the
spirit of what Keiley was saying, as you said, and in that trying
to lower expectations, like because even the games that he did mention, like
Blackmith Wu Kong, like that's I think that's the level of game that we're
going to get updates on. Yeah, that's that one that you guys were
all excited about. And I was like, really this one that that's just
another being excited about. I think it looks I think it looks graphically impressive.
Is another souls like right, everybody thinks something else. I think you're
thinking of Wang Fu? What's that game? We can understand bike well long
Long Long Wolong Yes, whatever? F well fine, good then okay,
yes, I uh, I yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna I'll
watch Opening Night Live. But it's uh, that's in five days, man,
people are gonna be Yeah, it's five days from NOWS when opening out
live is glad. I don't like part of It's like it'd be nice to
go to Games Calm, but now I'm like, I'm glad I'm not going
to games. I'm glad I'm not going to games. Yes, I don't
want to. I don't want to go to Germany right now. And it's
just we have to go to packs. They're like, we have peers.
I mean, you know Tam and Lucy among them, Dean, you know
from games Beat. They will travel constantly. They're literally dam and Lucy going
to Games Calm and then going to going to packs right after that. I
don't know how they do that. That would drive me bananas. Yeah,
I'm I'm definitely over back that level of travel. It's fun every once in
a while. Every three months is kind of the maximum. Like I'm possibly
I could do a few a year, and that's the kind of exciting and
novel than I was absolutely uh all right. Microsoft will close the Xbox three
sixty store next year, resulting in more than two and twenty digital Xbox three
sixty games becoming unavailable for purchase users. Can redownload previous purchases, but after
July twenty nine. At twenty twenty four, no new purchases will be possible
from the Xbox three sixty store, including games in DLC. This applies to
purchases made directly through the Xbox three sixty console or from the Xbox three sixty
Marketplace website. While many of the games will still be playable via other means,
approximately approximately two hundred and twenty of them will essentially disappear forever. There
are nearly five hundred games in the Games on Demand section dealing with games that
also have physical releases. Some will still be available digitally on Xbox One and
Xbox Series X through the store on there through the Becker Compatibility layer. You
could buy it through those and still play it. But the digital only games
in the Xbox Live Arcades section are at a higher risk of disappearing since they
don't have a physical alternative. And it VGC looked at it. It's about
two hundred and twenty games. You know. I saw our buddy MVG like
saying like this is why digital storefront suck, and I'm just like this happened,
like these games, A lot of these games were never available on physical
store shelves because they wouldn't have made sense on physical store shelves. And then
the games that were also available on physical store shelves, they have not been
on sale there for literally a decade or more. So it's like we're just
talking about like, oh, physical being better than digital, Like no,
they both have their weaknesses, and clearly eventually, like the fact, the
idea that they could just go away forever is digital's biggest weakness here. But
at the same time, I don't know if I don't know what the solution
is because I don't expect these companies ever to keep these things open forever.
So well, to me, the solution is, you know, emulation,
and we have that, and that's happening. Xenia is a very good emulator
and it's getting better all the time. And you know, it's not a
perfect solution. But if you want these games, you have until you know
mid next year to buy them and have them can download them on your Xbox
three sixteen. I think they're saying you could continue to redownload them. So
I don't know, how do you feel about all this kind of two minds
about it? Like I think there is that one half of me that,
you know, yeah, games preservation, that's really important. It sucks its
games aren't going to be around forever. And then there's like this bigger picture,
almost more philosophical point, where I feel like some people have an expectation
that everything is going to be around forever. I don't know if this ties
into an inherent fear of immortality, but you know, not every game is
gonna make it in some sense. And I already feel bad because I know
it's so important for some people to preserve every game, and I think that's
great. And like you said, some games aren't being preserved, maybe not
perfectly, but I'd be lying if I said I would lose sleep if some
games from twenty years ago or whatever. Like you know, like some of
the I don't want to say bottom barrel ones, some of the more obscure
ones. I know, not all of them are. They are good disappear
in ether. Lots of media does disappear into the ether. You know.
I know we're all fascinated by loss of media, but there's almost the opposite
problem of you know, compounding media. I guess you can say, Jeff
right, yes, it's at a certain point becomes yeah, but more it's
an exponential growth problem of maintaining all this stuff. I will say that if
we're worried about the digital games and you don't want to do the emulation because
emulation isn't perfect or whatever, hang up you have. Let me tell you
about the Xbox three sixty hacking scene, which is cracked wide open. You
could put all that you could download every single game on Xbox Live Arcade these
days, put it on a hard drive and have it on your Xbox three
sixty, and I would I would recommend doing that as opposed to trying to
go through the store even now, if you if you're trying to play it
on original Xbox three sixty hardware. Should Microsoft be doing all that stuff?
Yeah, but they like it's it's the lawyers are the problem. It's the
rights holders that are the problem. They tried to do as much backward compatible
as they could, and what stopped it was not tech or their desire to
do it. It was just a getting through a wrangle of red tape to
say, hey, we want to keep your game alive, and a bunch
of people doing like we don't even know who to talk to to get to
approval for that, Like, so we're just like, this is a headache
that we don't even care to solve. So even if you have a lot
of interest, Microsoft US as the publisher of the rights holder or or the
presumed rights holder, we are not interested in meeting you halfway on this.
So you know that stuff like it is their solution for that stuff, probably,
And I hope the Video Game History Foundation continues to push for more like
reasonable digital library rules going forward, especially as these games leave store shelves or
as these digital stores close. It would be nice for all of these games
to just end up going on a digital library and you could borrow it from
there, and that would be great. That does happen in so many words
though, when it comes to archive and and and and again, all these
ways to emulate these games. So it is weird to me when, like
the takeaways, while digital is bad, the physical media is almost infinitely more
etherial than digital is right. I mean you were just talking about your links,
awakening cards, a battery, diet on that eventually battery. But still
it's like there's other things will fail. Yeah, these things are all going
to disintegrate and deteriorate. At some point, yes or another. The only
that's the permanent solution either, right, right, So the only hope if
we want the stuff to actually be preserved is eventually going to be digital.
Yeah, I don't know. It's it's tricky, it's complicated, you know.
I want to just say I can't get mad about storefronts closing it.
I never have, Honestly, I wasn't even upset about the WUS storefront going
down necessarily. I'm always happy when people do find ways of preserving them.
Yes, I don't know, there's apartment It's like I feel like the important
stuff usually is preserved one or another. I know there's always going to be
examples and slip ups here and there. But I don't know. Maybe I'm
being lax about it. Yeah, maybe, Yeah, I think that's uh
Shaan's not having it. Sean saying a DVD likely you're going to die in
our lifetimes though that's a nonsense argument. I guess I was thinking more big
picture than than than that, even in terms of like in terms of our
lifetimes. Yeah, but I'll say that I'm if a game can get put
it can get put out physically, I'm very happy when it does sure that
that that's great, but that's also just not like a lot of these games
don't make sense physically at especially the Xbox Live Arcater games. They were never
going to get released physically, so you know, they'll like in terms of
like like in terms of like making it make sense when they launched originally.
So digital storefronts enabled a lot of games that would not have happened otherwise.
So, uh, you gotta take the good with the bad a little bit
there, and again the answer is going to be piracy as an emulation down
the line where it's like we're not worried about the rights holders that are certain
point, We're just going to take digital libraries into our own hands. Uh.
You know That's how I felt about it for a very long time now
because I I grew up in the nes era, where a lot of the
games that I grew up on our license games that are never going to get
rereleased ever again, and if they do, it's in some weird form,
like even Mike Tyson's punch Out never gonna get released as Mike Tyson's punch Out
ever again. And I could definitely go track down a cartridge those exist,
But if if you know, it's not like that's just an easy thing for
anyone to do. What is easy it is to load up an emulator and
now anyone can have access to that experience, and that's that's that's a good
thing. I mean, what we really do need is the kind of I
don't want to say, I don't know if legalization is the way I believe
in the normalization of emulators. Uh more so, just more resources put it
behind it. I'd rather not almost be like the thing we had to joke
about and pretend like we're being naughty. It's not as nothing naughty hip about
it. It needs to just be a thing. Yep, definitely all right.
Remni Entertainment has delayed Alan Wake two's release date on till October seven,
a ten day push from the original date. The game will be available on
PS five, Xbox Series X and S, and PC via the Epic Game
Store. Remedies cited the busy October gaming schedule and expressed excitement for an upcoming
showcase at Gamescom. Allen Wait two will be a digital only release, with
prices set at sixty dollars. There you go, ya, this is the
Satan itself rearing its head. Everybody on consoles and fifty dollars on PC.
The decision for a digital only release is based on shifts in player buying habits.
Blah blah blah. This is not too surprising. We've been mentioning for
a while October looking packed that day, and particularly the day it was originally
going to launch, I think is when it was going to be the Super
Mario Brothers Wonder Spider Man two, and previously it was what's the game that
moved forward? Now my mind is blanking, but there was another game that
like moved out of the way as well, So like a lot of stuff
is like shifting around trying to get out of the way of Spider Man and
or Mario, and now here's this one as well. And as I think,
as long as this game is out in some form by October thirty first,
it'll be just fine. Right, Yeah, you definitely want to make
sure that you're part of that Halloween cycle there. You know, this is
outside of those two big ones. It seems like one of the bigger games
of the month, and it should be fine. Anyways, I wondered,
you know, it is just ten days, so it's like not enough to
really do anything I wanted. It's like a little bit of all this because
it's a little wiggle room here. That's such a small timeframe it's even hard
to say, uh there. But you know, if you if you are
just releasing your game digitally, it's very easy to push back that release date
a little bit, right, right, You could be really flexible on that
stuff. Like you know, people are freaking out about Starfield going gold or
whatever, which means getting printed to disc. It's like, yeah, that's
that's some pretty big deal for that game. I guess not really, but
I mean, because really it's about the preload for a lot of people.
But they do have to print that game in some form to disk. I
think, you know, even if it's just like a little thing that tells
them they download this thing, which I don't know how Starfield works or whatever,
But if you have no discs on shelf at all, why not like
be a little bit more flexible to maximize your potential to have success on launch
day? And Allen Wake two is going to do that. I think the
excite for Allen Wake two is real, but you could feel like there's a
world in which, like you know, Spider Man two sucks all the oxygen
out of the room, and maybe there's a maybe there's a slight chance that
you know, the five percent Allen Weight two does five percent fewer sales and
it would have done otherwise. And it's like that could be a pretty detrimental
thing for a game like Allen Wake two. They want to get every sale
possible right away, and I think getting out of the wayst is the smart
thing to do. What, like, do you have like games in October
that you're like prioritizing at the top of your list? Is it Spider Man
is at Mario? It's probably Mario and Allen Wake two to be I mean,
Spider Man is so weird to me. I don't know why I'm not
feeling like any hype for that whatsoever at the moment. Like I like both
of those Spider Man games a lot, and I right now, for some
reason, my mood is I couldn't. I just can't really put Headspace or
Spider Man two right now. But once that's out, I'm sure I will
enjoy it, Like I'm definitely going to play that. But yeah, October
is getting crowded because there's I think Assassin's Creedmarrage actually moved up a week.
That's the one that was That's the one I couldn't think of. Yes,
thank you, Yes, that'd be interesting to see how that does. Oh
gosh, I know there's other things. It's smaller things, but yeah,
it's you know, we had a really busy June. It seemed like everything
that still did well in that really busy June. The Street Fighter Diabo bo
Bhasy sixteen June. But I don't know. Maybe the difference between the middle
of expectations and not reaching the high end of expectations for BOMP Basic because of
that crowded month. I don't know, man. Maybe it's it's hard to
say, because you know, it feels like games have been coming out nonstopping
and it's been super busy. But that didn't hurt Balder's Gate three, and
maybe it's well, that's PC and so people were not in that same headspace.
I don't know. It's it's really hard to say. It's overall,
it seems like people are more excited about video games than ever, and so
everything's benefiting, but maybe not everything actually will, and especially as we sort
of holidays and people maybe are looking to save some money to, you know,
for other reasons. And I'm like, well, I am going to
pick and choose. And I think a lot of these games are afraid of
being the ones that don't get picked real quick. Spider Man Spider Man two
not going to be as big as Spider Man one. That's no, there's
no chance in hell, right, no, No, it'll be huge.
What we're experienced right now is a weird right, it's just this name.
Yeah, it's like, this's just weird, like we it's in such a
known quantity. But once it's out like that, that more that bigger audience
that did get Spider Man one and Miles Morales there, as soon as it's
available for them to get they're going to roar to life. Right, That's
that's what's gonna happen. I think it's going to Yeah, it's gonna do
very well. And you know that hype might pick up a bit more as
we closer. I mean, you know, I kind of I don't know
about you. I felt the same way about God of War Ragnarok, and
that game did that's very very very well. And you know I did,
and I played in and had a lot of fun with it. Uh,
Okay, So here's another October game, just two days before Alan Wake's new
release. It on October twenty fifth. Is that Alone in the Dark remake?
It's right? Yeah, I would maybe push that one out. I
would made me say, how about let's try that again next year? Yeah?
Who's who's releasing that? Is that? Under? So the Embracer group?
Yeah, okay, that sounds like I don't know any more disappointments they
can afford. Uh, we'll see. That's that's rough to compete against Allan
Wake two if you're the like what fourth attempts at making Alone in the Dark
relevant again? Yeah, I mean, who knows, Maybe that's the good
one. Maybe Allan Wake two sucks. You never know, I guess.
So yeah, that's a good point, Jeff Who Yeah, exactly, who
knows? So far, a lot of the games I expect to be good
have been pretty good. They've been pretty good. Yeah, that's right,
one time bad, We're bad. So yeah, most things have been mostly
over delivering this year. Yeah, there's City Skyline two and guess what else
comes out in October? Middle Gear Solid Master Collection Volume one. God,
I want to replay those games. No way in hell, you're playing that
in Tober still make Timember. I'd probably still try to make time for melgu
sol at One's Yeah, but man, could that be like December? Like,
man, yeah, right, that would be a great December release.
But I don't know whatever. I guess I'll just get it in December.
Uh. And then of course Call of Duty in November. I think more
of these games would be fine in November. Like a lot of these games
do not have any overlap with Call Duty, would be just yeah, it's
like everybody's so afraid of Call of Duty that they're not even touching, right.
That feels like the kind of thing that like it's decided in a boardroom
that like, well, I heard everyone plays Call of Duty. So we
got got out the way of that. It's like, I think you should
think a little bit more critically than that, all right, that the Call
of Duty? Or do we not even want to bother talking about that?
Call? I had it in the rundown and then I got rid of it
because we've talked about Call Duty pretty a lot over the last couple of weeks,
and now everything that we've talked about it was part of the rumors,
it's confirmed. It's coming out November seventy dollars all the maps Call Duty two.
It's gonna be a bit more open world. E. I don't know
if that's the right way of putting it, but that's what I heard.
Isn't that metory prime for I did not, yes, but I thought the
people were saying that about this reveal that they were saying something. Is it
the Bowers there's fear zombie zombies is going to be a bit more open world.
I guess Oh, that's that sounds like something that could probably happen,
right. You just instead of like giving you map after map, you just
moved from point to point on the map to like encounter the next wave of
zombies. I could see them doing. That's it? Yeah, Well,
was it a God Black Ops four that had like the really cinematic zombies mode.
They had that trailer with the four people. It was like all original
characters instead of the funny historical ones. Zombies is so weird to me.
Yeah, zombies is like this thing onto itself. I've always been like they're
gonna just put out a car or thinking they're gonna put out a Call Duty
zombies all on its own, and of course they never have, but it
feels like something that they have probably considered a bunch of times. It's very
very popular. Gene Park had a story about called dating apparently like the are
trying to make the story mode a bit more open. Who knows exactly.
Yeah, I'm not sure what I'm gonna expect far Cry or something. Right,
remember the year where there was like they put choices in there and it
was like, oh, you're gonna be making these choices in the middle of
the campaign, It's gonna affect the story, and it's like it was the
most basic implementation of that idea ever. That's what I would expect from open
world Call of Duty or open zone gameplay, and Call of Duty open Zone
all doing a Sonic Frontiers like yeah, it's a Sonic Frontiers Cologne And that
was the most obnoxious that they just actually made open world game and because it
was split across like three maps, they're like, well, it's not open
world, it's open we invented a new things, Like what are you talking
about? They just wanted to use the word zone because that's what they call
sonic levels get but give me a break. Yeah, So Call of Duty
confirmed, it's coming, Okay, the fact that it is like all of
the multiplayer maps are Call of Duty two two thousand and nine remastered map that
nothing could scream more that this is a DLC pack that's been turned into a
full game release. Like that sounds like the most GLC pack release for the
last game possible. So whatever, I'm interested. I'm interested in that.
I love Call of Duty Modern Warfare two back then, so let's go,
I guess. But it's just weird that there's no like new original maps for
this new video game that they're releasing. They should add maps from other games.
Then I'll get interested. I want two ford in that Unreal tournament map
that everybody, yeah, give me, give me some give me some tur
Rock maps from Yeah, there we go Trock two specifically. Okay, Yeah,
that does it for the news that I have here. Uh, Mike,
I think we got some super chats. Why don't we get to those
right now? Well, Davis, wait a second, what if we do
that after small What if we take a quick break, we'll be right.
Sorry, I don't take notes. Oh, I guess we're going all right,
Mike. Uh, you have those super chats, why don't we hit
those? Real questions? Oh no, I'm allowed. These moths are so
up and they're telling me when I had to stop doing things. Sean is
openly disagree with me. A child, he defies us, You defy me
openly. What little Davis is? Would you rather kiss Geo Dude or spank
mister mime? Oh that's a tough one. I think you're time and I
don't want you to rush into the wrong decision here. I mean, I
think the honest in my heart is I would rather spank mister mime. I
just want to see the reaction on mister Mims's face when when they are spanked.
Yeah, that would be very disturbing, but not dangerous at all.
I think kissing Geo Dude could hurt me. Yeah, yeah, I could
like chip a tooth, Yeah exactly. And now, because anythink Jude Dude
does, I might like go in too fast. I might be too eager.
Yeah, man, what would the hell are they think with mister mine?
Man, that's just a terrible pokemon. Yeah, don't disagreement. Yeah,
you're right, you got it in one all right. Next one here
is for Baba's me, says, evening gents, any predictions for how the
boulders Gate theory release will go on PlayStation five. Are folks pre ordering ready
for what the game appears to be? Turn based? Etc? I think
borders Gate three is going to do very well on PlayStation five. Jump isn't
it already? Like we can't we already see how it's doing, like already
listing highly and it topped like this digital sales chart. I think I'm ps
five or was not number one or number two? Yeah, it's gonna crush
on there. It's gonna be very good. I think there's gonna be some
backlash from fanboys who are just buying it because it's not on Xbox and they're
gonna be like what is this and not get it? But whatever, most
people are going to get it and enjoy it. Next one's el Grug it
says, I just remember that bomb Rush Cyber Fund comes out tomorrow. Also,
whatever happened to Metal Slug Tactics or those Swegenden Remesters? Man, I
hope Metal Sluck Tactics. It's Sweget and Remesters just kind of wait till next
year at this bone. Yeah, for sure, give me a break,
man, I Bomb Rush Cyberfunk. There's a game I hope is good.
It's I'm already skeptical about those really direct spiritual successors, and this is the
game that's basically just Jets Grind Radio. So you know, unless I hear
really glowing things about it, I'm not gonna worry. Best spiritual successor Mighty
number nine, Absolutely no, absolutely not that I don't even uh okay,
the best one is not the Metroid Vanya blood Stained, but that eight and
that just plays like, yeah, the one that just plays like Castlevania three.
That yeah, right, It probably is like one of those as your
Striker gun Volts as Turbo Sean, yeah, blood Yeah, I just like
a gun Volt somehow takes the anime stuff from Mega man X that was already
maybe a bit much in really dial but I think right, but I think
the bar is pretty low for these things, is like the whole point.
So I think actual Striker still plays in that zone. But Maynet is interesting.
I kind of forgot that initially Bayonetta's whole thing was being a devil May
Christ spiritual successor, right, sure, yeah, the outer worlds it's a
spiritual oh yes, okay, so we start getting like that, there's those
territories there's some good answers there starting value Ah, okay. Next one here
is from step Tendo says wait sorry. Next one from Rodgers, g We'll
get to you a second Septendo. I genuinely feel bad for anyone having to
cover new games as fall. For me, Starfield might as well be the
final release of the year, though I'm going to be playing for a very
very long time. There's a ton of games, like you know, like
I was thinking about this, I'm really enjoying all these games. Obviously,
I could have been happy just playing Street Fighter six for like another couple of
months, maybe getting more characters to Platinum, seeing if like a really grind
to diamond on a character. But now it's like, man, there's no
time right now. I'm going to jump back in there, like another season
or maybe after some more characters come out or something. Yeah, I'm like
I basically kind of ran through. Uh well, I didn't rush Here's the
Kingdom by any means, but I was not done with it like I could
have playing, and I would have been happy, like slowly playing that through
the rest of the probably through not completely the end of the year, but
probably for another month. I would have found more stuff to do. You
know, I'm happy, I'm satisfied. I'm not going to pick it up
again, probably for the rest of the year. I'll get back to it
at some point, but yeah, it is a little frustrating. But also,
you know, I did take my time with that game. I've been
playing what it's like, almost half a year now, since it can's been
a while, yeah, exactly, so it's like whatever, that's fine.
It happens as well, especially if, like I do want to move on
to these other games. So oh well, it's a little bit annoying,
but you know, let's keep it rail where you know, too many games.
This is a cool problem to have, right right exactly. Next one
here is from stef Time Too says could GameCube NSO only be on switch to
New three DS with sns question mark, I don't think GameCube NSL will be
on any of them, and if it h but sure, maybe it would
only be a switch too thing if they did. I don't think it' at
all. It's not about the tech really, it's about the It's about the
perceived value. Yeah, I mean, Nintendo Trot was charging ten dollars for
in sixty four games until you know really recently, and that the just just
with the switch generation, they were finally like, all right, we can
put these in a service, or you know, we now we start to
view in sixty four games as kind of be in that same zone as Super
Nintendo in anys games. And that took a long time, and it's gonna
take even longer with GameCube because they see the thirst for GameCube out there and
they are gonna it's gonna be a solid decade. I think of them remastering
GameCube games, so so buckle up. Deftendos oh so late sef tend also
said new three DS with S and S question mark and I'm not really sure
what they mean by that. Sorry, hang on, I think you got
turned down a little bit. All right there, we gotta fix it.
Uh, what was the what was the thing? I'm sorry? New three
DS with any S question mark was said because Super Nintendo games on three Yes
three DS? Oh, I see, thank you, Jeff, Yes,
no problem, I completely forgot that was the case, ye big Jimbo.
Ryan says, if either of you two were to look up Last of Us
too, MS paint mean, you will see why. I think it was
game of the Year. That year, Physy sixteen shouldn't qualify for RPG of
the Year, right, I mean it could qualify. Don't worry, it's
not gonna win anyway. Yeah, I'm pretty sure boters Gate three is going
to has so much more excitement and momentum behind it in the RPG category this
year. Did you look up last of us MS paint mean, Jeff,
Yeah, I don't let me see here. I think it says lovingly made
and now that's League of Legends memes. I look, I definitely you know
what I banged it. That's my big problem here me Yeah, yeah,
of US two ms paint h MS Okay, yeah, sure, yeah,
this is is pretty good. This is pretty good stuff. Sure, I'm
not interested. I pass, I passed. Doctor butt Hunger says that news
segment was great. Can you add a fake news segment to the podcast?
That'd be people would really like that, I think, Jeff, Yeah,
I'm sure we'll make it happen. Yeah, it'll be like e GM April
Fools every month, every single month. Big Jimbo Ryan's back says, look
out, look on YouTube and there will be compilations. Big Jimbo Ryan's really
excited about these last of us MS paid things. And I have to be
honest, mister Ryan, I can't think of anything i'd rather look at less.
I mean, Jim, I know next time we have dinner, I'll
check out before then and then we'll have conversation about it. So look forward
to big Jim. Ryan also said, if everyone can I get a mic
check one to check. Sorry, apply, I don't. You never got
muted on an OBS. It's so there must have been some issue there with
the with the tech or something. So I was I'm sorry, I didn't
realize I was it was in your and I think it's something because I didn't
hit anything, and so I really don't know what happened there. And I
looked you were like turned down, like you were like like like a little
bit low. But that's it. So I don't know. It's probably because
you're installing Starfield again. Blame that. Wow, you know it's almost done,
it says Hi Fi Rush. Reaching three million players makes you very happy.
If we assume about half or a million of those where purchases of the
game. Is that good for new IP and a relatively niche genre. Jeff,
My problem is I have no idea yea idea, we don't make copies
sold. I have no idea if three million people playing it is considered a
good metric. It seems that seems like a lot of people. That seems
like it should be good, But I don't know. I hope so because
I love that game, and I hope that they get to either make a
sequel or something similarly creatively ambitious like that. I'll say the only things that
I know for a fact that when it initially came out, it costs this
much, and it in terms of revenue that it made from retail sales,
it may less than that. And I know that at the same time,
Microsoft very very very happy with that studio. They like that studio a lot,
and they are reinvesting in it, and they and they care a lot
about that studio having a bright future. So take those things how you will.
To me, that sounds like, regardless of how it's performed, you
know, just in terms of raw numbers, they think that that that studio
is going to keep doing great things. There you go. That's it for
the super Chats for now, mister Grev, thank you very much. All
Right, we'll take another quick break and when we get back we'll get into
our big topic of the week, which is going to be the best games
in nineteen ninety nine. I think we have a little game to play and
more. All right, we're back and we have a Closest to the Messy
Pin. I understand it's volume thirteen. That means I have to hand the
show over to Turbo Shan Sean. It's all yours, thank you very much.
That's right, ben while since we've done one of these, but we
are back. The Closest to the Messy Pin presented by Me, powered by
Matt Craik, executively produce by Benji Bup rules if you have forgotten is every
round the boys will be given a certified retro game that means older than ten
years goals to predict the game score as it stands on metacract dot com.
We use a closest slippin scoring system, which means that for every point deviated
away from the actual score you are, you will gain one point. It
is golf rules, hence the golf pun The goals to have the lowest score
at the end of the game. If you guess the exact number step zero,
you will have five points produced from your total score now once again,
it's been a while since we did while. I'm just gonna flip a coin
to see who goes first because I remember possibly and let's see that would be
Jeff will be picking first. So, gentlemen, the first game is Batman
Begins for a Nintendo gamecue at least June fourteenth, two, five thirty eight
quick reviews make up the score. Jeff, how you feeling about this one?
I am feeling pretty bad because it could be such a wide number of
choices. I'm gonna go with the seventy. I think it's a seventy.
It's bad. It's not good, but it's also not nearly as bad as
Dark Tomorrow. So I'm gonna go with the seventy. That's also not a
bad score. What is this? I mean, I think, okay,
I kind of think it's back I wasn't you were just an inch of your
daddy's crotch. Yeah you know now, listen, I may have only been
in middle school, but I was reading Nintendo Power God damn it. Yeah,
I think it's a bad score. Back then. I looked up these
Medacritic scores. Actually, when I was looking at the Batman games for Jeff,
I don't know, and I remember some one was a little but nozzle
as it would have thought. But still I think it was maybe worse than
I'm gonna say sixty eight an atrocious score trailer, Yeah, honestly, yeah
shot. Back then, nobody considered any games that were in the sixties absolutely
to be clear still today. Yeah, no, I remember, because I
was very salty that everyone Nintendo Power Game, Mega Man Bow Network six,
like sixes out of tends. They were like, it's the worst fucking game
of all time. I'm like, something done that up here? All right?
Anyways, Batman begins scaring licin at a sixties six. Okay, so
Mike was a little bit closer there by two points. I'll like it,
of course you do. Game number two is going to be Batman Beyond Return
to the Joker for the Nintendo sixty four release date December thirteenth, two thousand,
only five critic reviews to work with here, Mike, I think this
game is supposed to be pretty bad. Uh, It's not as like infamously
bad as like Supermans ety four, though, I'll go with a fifty right
in the middle. All right, Yeah, I it's only five. I
wonder if people only reviewed it because they hated it and thought it would be
funny. I don't know. I think I'm gonna go higher, which I
Paul probably end up regretting. I'm gonna go with fifty five. Okay,
Batman beyond Return of the Joker, the classic is in that a twenty four
Imatra dot Com I said, the lowest we've ever had. Oh my god,
it might be. It might be backgroup may return every day. No,
put the cape and call back on and good god. Alright, shit
this all uphill from here. I hope as you go into game number three,
Batman Arkham City, surely this one is a bit better than twenty four.
The PlayStation three versions, specifically October eighteenth, twenty eleven, forty two
quick reviews. Jeff, I M going to say that this game got a
ninety two. I think it was very highly reviewed. That's step feels right,
but I don't. I don't know for sure. Alright, ninety two
finally answer yes, all right, mikey, Yeah, this game was very
well reviewed. I'm just gonna help. Maybe the PlayStation three version did a
little worse, because PlayStation three versions often were a little worse I'll say ninety
one, alright, ninety one. I'm surprised he didn't go for one hundred.
Is the ten out of ten edition? After all? Right? That's
right, all right, well, Arkham City currently senets ninety six. It
was on the high end, man, you're called there, jeff Man ninety
six. That's really Good's Tears of the Kingdom and boters Gate three now right?
Yeah? Oh did baters Gate three get down to ninety six? That's
yeah, I think euro Gamer some but he finally gave it like an okay
review score finally, yeah, right, like a four out of five stars
there. Yeah, people are very upset. Well, hey, four five
that that's mac rex fault. That's not in though. Game number four Lego
Batman the Video Game Xbox three, sixty September twenty third, two thousand and
eight, forty nine Craig review. There's quite a few there for a silly
earlier game there for online reviews. Mikey, how are you feeling? It's
just still relatively early on in the Everything's a Lego game freezing a little not
sad early on, still pretty early on. I think people didn't like this
one, if not spectacularly so. I'm gonna say in eighty three. Okay,
Yeah, it's so hard to depin these ones down. I think I
can't go higher than an eighty three, and I was already kind of leaning
towards like a seventy eight. So I think I'll just go one down,
one more to see if I can catch up to Mike and say seventy seven.
Okay, hope, hope, hope, hope for the best. All
right, Well, the first Lego Batman, unless I'm somehow mistaken, there
has a seventy six close there, Jeff close Man. All right. That
makes it interesting though, because Mike was quite a bit off there, which
means I hang into the final game, the boys are tied at forty points.
Apiece Game number five is Lego Batman DC Superheroes. But here's a twist.
The iOS version the least April twin thirteen twelve Creek reviews Jesus Christ,
Uh, let me go again. I go get my dartboard out real quick.
Let's say, man, I'm gonna say in eighty okay, solid score.
I played that game at e three. I'm gonna say a seventy nine.
Shit, I never read it, but mister Bob I suppose we don't
prices right in the rules, and I just love it when you guys do
it this. That's what you need to do here. Yet, this is
the one situation we have too well, is it in the eighties or above
or isn't the seventies and below? Who's gonna get here? The correct answer
is that is on the right side of history. Their final score Mike forty
to Jeff forty one of five reviews from these stupid mobile game sites. Damn
it, I am the night still. This was this is This was one
week off since we had a busy week last week, but this was made
in celebration of the finale of bat grub Over on giant bomb dot com.
Make sure to go watch that area. Thank you so much, a lot
of fun. Thank you. It's so close. We had no idea what
the scores goes. Thank you, Sean. I appreciate that. All right,
We are going to move on now to nineteen ninety nine. Party like
it's nineteen nine nine real quick. Can't get mine in here before I go
Yeah, definitely, yea, because I'm gonna be fixing this these cameras and
he has to go ahead, all right, perfect one that I think I
need to bring up right away. Mike. Yeah, Street Fire three,
third story. I came out of ninety nine, So I need to get
that out ahead of any of these are ones, because there's there's a few
bangers in ninety nine. Not as good as ninety eight, not by a
long shot, but I need to make sure that we get that representation in
there. That's Hey, that's a very good video. That was your guys
is number one fighting video game, was it not. That's the best funny
game ever. Yeah, we like the most at least important to know that.
Okay, uh yeah, you guys did a good tribe because did a
good ranking of fighters. Let's see here, nineteen and nine, coming off
one of the best years ever, was still very very strong year, not
nearly as strong as nineteen ninety eight. I looked at this, I have
some thoughts about what can be in there, but I'm interested to here,
Like where you go first? Mike, Huh, well, uh, first,
I think I'm actually gonna go Soul Caliber because I think when I think
of nineteen ninety nine, I think of the Dreamcast and the incredible launch in
the US, and the incredible launch lineup, A lot of good games,
but Soul Caliber still stands out as one of the old time great launch games
ever. I mean that was just you know, it was for so long
we were chasing as good as Arcade, So Caliber on Dreamcast was better than
the Arcade much It was better. It was much better. Yes, it
was gorgeous, It was silky smooth, and it was robust. It had
some like really fun single player modes. Just felt so good to play that
game. Soul Caliber was incredible. It was it was revolutionary. Yep,
it was going to be my number one pick as well, Mike, Soul
Caliber is so playable, so instantly fun, so gorgeous. Uh. Just
it's just an incredible video game. But from uh, it's a good game,
is what I was saying. Sorry about that, everybody I muted the
wrong bus? Uh that that one was on me. I was about what's
going on? That was just you do? That was just human That one
was definitely human air. Yeah, Soul Caliber is an incredible game. It
is what was gonna be my first choice as well. It was for that
time, just stunning, like you hadn't seen anything like that at home before,
and especially one that played so smoothly. Uh, and looked so good
and that was so instantly fun and a reason to get a Dreamcast all by
itself. It's just an incredible video game. So yeah, Soul caliber definitely
up there for me. I really love that game. I will get the
list up here for a video watchers here in a second. There are a
couple I think I might just start listening off that. I'm not sure we're
going to make it that I like. I really like Homeworld. I like
that game a whole lot, like a three D strategy game, and not
three D as in like, oh, it's got three D graphics, as
in like you can move in all directions because it's space and that and having
these units move around. They really figured out how to make that fun and
work. It's one of the one of the better P like early PC real
time strategy games that you just couldn't do that anywhere else. You needed a
PC for it. And it's got this really great sci fi look and feel,
but it was like kind of spartan because it's like it has lots of
like these spaceships out in space and early for early three D PC graphics,
but they had a lot of style added on top of it, so I
really like Homeworld a lot. Brother consider ones. My brother AJ played Homeworld,
and I was always a little intimidate by it. I wish i'd played
myself. I definitely like, even since, like I'm playing it back then,
like going back to it, I've been a little intimidated. Actually,
even though I've enjoyed it a lot at the time, I don't. There's
just done a lot of obvious ones this year, Mike that I think there's
a couple more. The first Tony X pro Skater Jeff came out in nineteen
nine. Yeah, I mean, that's definitely the other one for me,
right, and it's like my only hesitation is that they're they're even better sequels
for sure. But this first game was still it was really really cool.
It was still yeah big, you know, I almost had like what I'm
experienced with bolters Gate now or even Pickman, like this thing I thought I
wouldn't care about. When Tonyx pro Skater came out, it through it caught
everybody by surprise. Everyone you were caught in it. Yeah, no,
everybody was like, oh, a skateboarding game. I think we were all
like whatever, and then was like it's really good. So I think everybody
eventually just kind of rented it and was like, oh, oh man,
this is awesome. This is like the best feeling thing ever. And yeah,
like I don't know, it's like everybody became into an next pro skater
fan. You could see why we had yearly releases of that for a good
while. Yeah, I was. I think I was probably working one of
my first jobs a little bit after it came out. But it was just
like, man, I would just talk to people and like they wouldn't a
lot of people you would. I would work with me, Like I don't
play any games, but I do play Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk was like
that game back then. It was kind of like the original Call of Duty
in a lot of ways, and it did a lot for skateboarding. It
was it was so it's like hard to say how big it was because it's
like you could try to put it into words, but like unless you were
there, it's hard to feel the power it had to make skateboarding popular,
to make ska something and a lot of these lives they hadn't heard before.
And the game itself just played immediately. It played really great, and it
was like the things that we're missing were uh, you know, the manual,
the ways to string the combo system together, which would become super important
to the series obviously, but everything else was already there. Yeah, the
look, the feel burn Quest, yeah, Bob Burnquist, Yes, the
christ Air, Rudin Glifberg doing the christ Air, all that stuff. It's
just uh, it's it's a kind of one of my favorite games of all
time and Tony's pers Skater or favorite series of all time. The tonicspers Skater
was so good right away that I feel like, yeah, probably does make
this list. All right. There's two big racing games, Jeff, and
one of them is grint Urismo too. It was like it was like the
best selling place one game or like one of them incredibly ambitious, just ridiculous
what that game was able to do in the place of one. But the
other one is Ridge Racer Type four, and that's not as robust or as
technologically impressive as game as Grinters with two is. But I'll take Ridge Racer
for sort of league style and aesthetics, and it feels so good. I'm
always going to prefer something a bit more arcady, yeah, than the Super
Simu even, you know, but it four is yeah, it's our Katie.
But it's not like you know, you're you're you're playing out Run or
Mario Kard just something all of a sudden. It's still cars. It's just
very drift heavy, and I like the drifting in it a lot. But
one of the best soundtracks of all time. One of the best looking PlayStation
one games. Like Nope, I don't think any other game. There's a
few, but I can't think of too many other games that look better as
a PlayStation one game than Ride Rasser Type four. Yeah, I will add
a third racing game that just for consideration, a Beatle Adventure Racing is one
of the best racing games on a platform that had a lot of good racing
games, the sixty four. It might it might actually be the best racing
game on that system. And really it came down to a really good course
design and a good sense of speed. Like it was always such a weird
thing that this game that's like a licensed game for the new Beatle from Volkswagen,
which was a big deal in the nineties, to be fair, when
that came back, But it was like such a weird thing. And then
you play the game, and you're playing the courses, and it's just like
there's so much fun because they make the shortcuts really obvious once you're past them.
See the first lap, you're like driving really fast and it feels really
good and you're like learning the course. But the men you're like, oh,
there's an obvious shortcut right there, but I can't get it right now,
So I'll get it on the second time. And then the second time
you kind of half get it, and then the third time you perfect it.
And that was like every course was like that, and they always had
like three or four of these shortcuts, and it felt so good and so
cool, and eventually like you're getting great times because you're doing the shortcuts perfectly
on all three laps. But it's just like really figured out a niche for
itself. I'm probably not gonna play, but boy, I really really like
Beatle Adventure Racing. It's not as good as rad Racer Type four, but
it's it's in. It's it hangs right behind that. Only to talk about
some RPGs that came out this year. Yeah, I mean Final Fantasy eight
came out. I don't know where you I can't remember. I know you're
a nine guy, but I don't know eight Okay, you like it,
and a lot of people come around fompancy. I don't think it's good enough
to be a top five game of the year. It has it does a
lot of really cool things, mostly in the presentation. The presentation was just
ridiculous. You can literally see the final Fantasy seven money just kind of being
dumped into found Fantasy Gate. So it was really cool for that. Some
of it's mechanics, I mean, some of it was just interesting. The
whole draw system and the junction system. I know it throws some people off
that. I like. The level of scaling is really weird. The game
actually rewards you for not leveling up the way it where you actually want to
get into as as few random battles as possible. So it's a little jankie
in that front, little jakie just in places. I still like from Missate
a lot. I don't think it's going to be on this list. Corona
Cross similar presentation, insanely good. Not really one of my favorites. I
respect it though, like it, but it's not top five. The best
JRPG of this year is actually Sweeted Into, which did come out in the
US right in nineteen ninety nine. This is a real JRPG fans JRP right,
this is the one I hear people like Jason Tryer, like mentioned,
people who love JRPGs. This is their game, right, you know,
because it's you know, it's still like the it's pixel so something you know.
Back then, it kind of flew under the radar a bit, but
it's a really pure JPG. It has the really fun swicketing system where you
have to recruit one hundred and eight I believe characters to join your sort of
castle, and your castle gets bigger and gets new functions as you do that.
And a lot of those people are party members, not all of them.
Sometimes you unlock a person and they're going to open up a shop where
they're gonna like become your quick travel person or things like that, but a
lot of those are party members. So it's insane. There's so many characters
you can play us here, so we get two also definitely has one of
the best JRPG stories. It's just a really interesting plot, a lot of
political intrigue, but still very character grounded with interesting twist. Just one of
the most despicable unlikable villains ever, very very Mermal game. Everybody who plays
swickt Into, I think has a really good time with it and it's something
that sticks with them. Yeah, I'm pretty convinced by Sweaking Into. Can
I ask you getting kind of like just tangentially related to RPG's Shin Move.
Are you a Shin Move person? I mean, I Simmu was really cool
at the time, and I probably would sell if I'm going back to it.
I think because there's certain things about she I hate to say games age,
you know that, but there's somethings about Shimmy that probably don't hold up
like they used to. I don't think chen Moo needs to be considered at
the time. At the time, for me, it was like it was
a curiosity and really interesting and sort of a promise of what was to come.
But even at the time, I'm like this, there's not a lot
of fun here, and they don't seem very interested in providing that. You
know, Ever, Quest was in nineteen ninety nine very important game. I
don't know, Yeah, it's I think it's important, and maybe that is
enough to get it in the top five, dependon like where we're at.
I think there's probably already enough games to push it out. But if like
we mentioned, like for example, I think this is the year that Strike
as a half half life mod came out, which I think we would probably
count that as like the release of counter Strike because because it's always it's always
been, you know Wikipedia, it's uh oh gosh, you're right. It's
confusing because like two thousands when it had like it's boxed windows right, but
it was almost right. It was a mode that way, it was still
that, it was still the mod when it came out as the box Windows
release basically, So I don't know, how do you want to come backs
consider it? Let's put kind of Strike up there for now. That's definitely
because I mean, I didn't even think about Tvorgeous Classic in nineteen Night would
have really played because there's there's a ton happening, right, It's on Mike's
favorite for sure. Man Never Request though definitely has one of the top five
two tops in a gaming history. Good for that, lady. Uh see,
look, everyone I do like boobs God Sean guy got a clean one
of that. Christian Please, let's let's go. Okay, let's give it
up to Street Fighter three. Third Strike now the probably my favorite fighting game.
Ever, certainly the best two D fighting game. Well. I have
a soft pot for Marvel's Capcom two also, which will be coming up.
But Third Strike is still just so mechanically pure. I think untouched until we
had six this year. Shout outs to Garu where Wolves in London also,
But it's it's I like it so much because it does kind of feel like
the bizarro world Third Strike from the SNK side, but Third Strike is really
where it is at. I never played Planescape Tournament, Like, yeah,
I started it. I wish I did. It's I wish I did too.
One of the best rated games this time. And it's weird because people
don't talk about Planescape Torment. There was a it was like twelve years ago
when I would hear people talking about it and then that he did go away.
But I know people still love it. That's not the same. People
don't love it. They do yeah, and other kind of PC game big
hit here. System Shock two was nineteen nineteen nine. I keep wanting to
go back to this. Uh. It's a really cool game. It was
one of the first games to really Uh it's a great the RPG and the
whrror thing. Even though this is the single system Shock one. This is
the one that is the BioShock team basically, like, these are the people
are going to make BioShock Irrational games at the time, and it was,
you know, really really cool stuff. It was like kind of almost like
an evolution of Half Life, like going even further into the environmental storytelling and
then adding stuff like the RPG mechanics. It was a big deal. Yeah,
I didn't. I haven't really played a lot of systems Shock two.
I have played some of it, but it's just not enough to like get
it on this list in any strong way. But I know people love it,
so I know you have played in it. You're not actually much of
a fan of this one, I think. But Legacy of King's Soul Reverse,
Oh yes, definitely. Yeah, seen nineteen nine. I tried it.
It's I mean, I tried it recently and it did not hold up
for me. You know, maybe I would have got past past the level
I was on and maybe it opens up in some way and gets a lot
better, but early on that game is pretty rough. So yeah, I
don't know. Are you a fan of Soul Reaver? I don't have any
I don't hold up particularly long Torch for it. I played a bit of
it back in the day. Something I would like to go back and play
at some point, but right now I don't fee anything great about it.
H I'm sorry. I don't mean to keep going. If you want to
say something. I was just gonna say Major's Mask nine. I felt that
was how to be two thousand at least maybe that was ninety nine in Japan.
U double check on that's I think it's two thousand even in Japan.
Actually two thousands everywhere. Okay, say, okay, cool, all right.
I don't want you Jorge's Mask fans to get too excited because I like
Jorge's Mask, but I'd like it too. I enjoyed. I enjoyed playing
that game. Yeah, uh, did Super Smash Brothers come out in nineteen
Super Smash Bars one did come out in nineteen ninety nine, and I wouldn't
really consider it. Yeah, it's a fun party game at one time.
Yes, it, it gets so much better with Melee Smash Purs one is
very fun. I enjoy it, but it's not. It wouldn't have been
my game of the year that year, or looking back, the same h
Age of Empires two game. I never really played. Oh really, oh,
Age of a Pires two rules? Actually, okay, it's a gosh
still probably one of my favorite art teas. I know, I say,
I'm not much on RTS guy, but Age of Apires two is definitely one
of the best. If I was to go back and play one, still,
I kind of would want to play Age of Empires two. I keep
meaning to try out the definitive version that they made Matuango No. Age of
Empires too. Really really cool game, really fun. When did ape Escape
come out? Oh my god, ape Escape, let's see ape see if
it's in here Escape? I believe ape Escape was in fact nineteen ninety nine.
I like that. Then, I do like that game. I don't
know if I love it. If I love it either, I would love
them to make a new one. I say that I definitely would. I
definitely would. I think it would really play these days. But a little
chance of that. Pokemon Snap Nope, Mario Golf nope he Unreal Tournament.
Unreal Tournament is actually pretty interesting. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I
don't really know if I think that highly. I liked Unreal Tournament though,
but the sequels ay still confusing. I think Unreal Tournament two thousand and three
was one I really really liked, but a real tournament was fun. It
was like a guy. It was the whole thing. Then because Quick didn't
quake, it was Quack three also this year because I thought Quake three and
unreal tournament came out very quake three area. Yeah it was out this year.
Yes, Okay, that's right. I remember. It's like a showdown
because we never really had these before, like oh multiplayer, oh the remember
it was like almost a bit of a skindal, like you mean you're not
getting a single player campaign game backs only on multi what are you man?
Back then? For real? That would have been yeah. Yeah, but
they were both. They were both good in different ways. I don't know
if either of them are going to quite jump up a little right here?
That can I put my darling that. I don't know if it makes it,
but I would in me. It's easily in the top five. It's
excite by sixty four. Yeah, you could put it. Yeah, I
mean, I hate God, I hate I don't. I don't mean to
be dismissive of it, yeah, because because I mean it truly is.
It's it's one of those technical In sixty four extreme sports games that is surprisingly
deep and really good. Uh, it's you know, it's my favorite Excite
franchise game. I get it though. It's it's just it is like,
oh, surprisingly great, like eighty nine out of one hundred, eighty eight
out of one hundred sort of game. And if you like, if you
you kind of meet where we're like a lot of people go to these games
expect our Katie fun and expect By sixty four is not so it's very sim
simulation heavy. Uh. And then boy, it feels like all those games
on the N sixty four. Uh, it's physics are so much better than
anything else that is happening at the time. And for me, that's always
going to be actually priority number one. The games have you have good physics
systems if I'm moving around in three D space and so I'm always gonna have
a torch trick except By sixty four. But there are a lot of games
on this list now, so we'll see shout out the Sonic Adventure. I
know I can't put you up here, buddy, but I still love you.
Yes, okay. I like Gauntlet Legends, not gonna make it.
Yeah. I like Marley CARVERSM sixty four not gonna make it. Maybe it's
now time we'll see what the community thinks. Well more, Donkey Kong Country
sixty Donkey Kong sixty four can go to hell. There we go. That's
just a little able to say no, no, nope. So right now,
for nineteen ninety nine, we do have a handful of games that I
feel are pretty much locked. Soul Caliber, Tony Ospur, Skater and Street
Fighter three Third Strike. Just below that, we have a Grand Trismo two,
Homeworld, Ridge Racer Type four, Beatle Adventure Racing, Final, Fantasy
eight, Sweak It into Ever Request, counter Strike, Age Empires two,
Unreal Tournament, Quake three, Arena Excite sixty four. If you were allowed,
if you just got to pick two, like if your favorites, like
we're not being thematic, which two would you pick? I would buy?
I mean, it's insane, but I'll just say it, well, yeah,
I would do rig Racer Type four and Excite by sixty four. I
would do rag Racer Type four. It's wicket it too. May should we
just also put red Rayster Type four up there already at this point, I
think so yes, that's kind of freaking I told you I got that that
CD with the soundtrack I just bought my car non Stipe. It's a really
really good soundtrack. Yes, so good. You know what, let's oh,
I love this pie face for you two decent chat play Type four for
the first time last night because of you guys. It's gotta be there.
That game is beautiful. Yeah, that's the thing with Red Drayscer Type four.
It's not some beloved game from my childhood. I played it on the
PlayStation Classic because I was just checking all the games out and I was like,
what is this? This game absolutely rules, and like I just played
it a ton on there and then later just through a rom I was like,
this is one of my favorite games ever. Now I had no idea
This PlayStation one racing game was so good. Yep, the same same you
told me about it, and I've played it a bunch of since and it's
just like, yep, this thing it's so much fun? Uh? Is
it? Is it? Counter Strike? Actually that needs to go up there.
Maybe I would like to see I would like to see what Discord says.
Yeah, okay, let's get to the fans. See what they say.
All right. This is from our podcast producers Bopara watched too. This
feels like the most wide open race so far. I agree with that,
which means Donkey Kong sixty four has a chance. However, never had a
chance. My serious answer will be Age Vampires too. Uh yeah. Kuza
Wolf says mediocre year for games in general, So I'll submit a couple of
games that all that will probably be passed up. Crash Team Racing. I
do like Crash Team Racing quite a bit. It's good, you know.
I You know what I say about Mario Kart. You could take to all
card racers. I like cart racers, but they're all like eight out of
tens. You're your men though. You need a man's engine. We know
this. Yeah, you need one that goes. Let's say you can't said,
well, you can't have a dinky little Mario Kart engine. Those are
too small for you. You need something real. You're saying, I'm a
size king. Yes, exactly, That's exactly what I'm saying. Also shot
outs to the Spiro two's Ripto's Rage, the best spiral game and one of
my personal favorite three D platforms. That is a good game. It deserves
mentioning. Uh mine Goblin, Uh Mike, what's Mine Goblin, Mine Goblins.
There's only one game from nineteen ninety nine that featured Superman by Goldfinger on
the soundtrack. Tony Hawk's pro Skater, that's right, honorable mentions to Mario
Golf game Boy Color version. Uh shit, that's right. That is that
God, that's so good. That's a good version. Roller Coaster Tycoon as
well. Tycoon two is where I'm gonna really shout out that whole series.
That's where I really have my love. Miss Fio, says Pika Pica for
Pokemon Snap. They made the new one of those, didn't They called it
New Pokemons snapte. I hate when it's called the new whatever. I hated
New Super Mario Bros. I hate the new Nintendo three DS. I hate
that Nami convention. That's not good. Yes, Uh, Pokemon Snap can
go on the mount rushmore of games that you rented. I think that's that's
where that belongs. That's the best game I ever played where I got to
print out stickers at a blockbuster. Absolutely, Doctor Ryan says Mario Party Baby
Whoo fifty turns of destroying friendships, nobody wins is Mario is Mario Party one?
Really? This year I like Mario Party one. But I'm also still
mad about the blisters I got on the palm of my hand though, of
course for again sharing me. Literally, I'm gonna keep your fault for not
wearing the glove. Also, third Strike please, yeah, no problem,
doctor, Yeah, oh yeah, third Strike. Bomer your Third Strike mains
and chat everybody I wanted to know for it, Boomer of the Watson Is.
Nineteen ninety nine was the year of the Dreamcast, and nothing screams nineteen
ninety nine more than Sonic Adventure. The Bluebird finally goes polygonal again and was
ready to kick butt and take names with a rock and soundtrack. Yes,
Sonic Adventure is is worthy of mentioning and then not including on the lists or
even the short list. But Sonic Adventures is, Yeah, I don't know,
It's fine. I like Sonic back then. Song Adventure meant the world
to me. I still like it. I also I also know it is
jankie in a lot of ways. It's still always going to hold a saucepot
in my heart. Phlobotron says Age Vampires two, Velocity Prime one says super
Smash Brothers was an incredibly novel fighting game Evo Janis says Final Fantasy eight gun
Sword enough said, Eden says, nineteen ninety nine was an amazing year for
home consoles, but they never taught the gamers how to dance. Shit Man
Good one DDR released in the US arcades in March of nineteen ninety nine,
shattering far too many ankles in the process. I would love to put DDR
on this list, Mike. I love Dance Dance Revolution so much. I
never liked I don't know, maybe I'm the Maybe. I like a lot
of rhythm games. I never quite rocked Dances Revolution, and I would always
hate the home versions because I just could never get that at to stay and
play. So it felt really in precise Can I shout out a couple games?
I like a lot that had their Nintendo sixty four versions of ninety nine,
and then they're better Dreamcast versions in two thousands, so it's a little
weird. Sure placed them. But Raymond to the Great Escape and Episode one
Racer both came out on nineteen ninety nine. I think on the s sixty
four then the better versions, yeah, but I mean later. It's not
like the n sixty four versions of Bad It's great on the n sixty four.
Now it's still very good on there, but yeah, those are those
are very good games. Also, Brightfish says, ever request Bench JCS,
Crashes Out, Crash Team Racy, and puts Super Smash Brothers Super Harmon.
Looked over the list and it was a little thin, but I really liked
Final Fantasy eight. Showed you Codo Dreamcast time Baby for me, it's got
to be so Caliber also mentioned Tony Ox, pro skater U Casual says Sid
Meyers and and Antietam. Wait what that's a game? Yeah there. He
also says it's a I'll toss up between that and Harvestman sixty four. I
definitely remember hearing about this one. But that's like, there's like other Sid
Meyers games that year, weren't there, There was Sid Myers. There's like
a Sid Meyers Civil War game, is what you're telling me? Yeah,
totally, but back then, but he also did like Alpha Centauri that same
year. I think so, I think you're right, Yeah, yeah,
yeah, man, Okay, Sid Meyer is busy, Alpha Centauri is this
year, okay. Ben Benji says, Asian empires with you. It's a
joke, Okay, it actually thinks, oh my god, it's a joke,
is it? Okay? Good guys, Hey he made a ton of
ship. Yeah he did. Absolutely, just thought that this was a real
What is the one that? Okay, he does have? Like another one
that's not Civilization, that's not Alpha Centre, not not even it's a war
game. It's a war game. Colonies. Is that what I'm thinking of?
I'm maybe thinking of colonies? That was what I was saying. Okay,
it was like, it's real. It is Wait a second that I
could believe it either way. This game Israel. It's Antina sounded familiar to
me. I could have scored a single to said Meyers Gettysburg. I like
how what I'm thinking of? I like how even when it's a Gettysburg game,
it still has the exclamation mark at the end, Like this is so
much fun. We're screaming the title man Antina Gettysburg the day the most Americans
ever died. Let's go man, said Meyers. Gettysburg has a ninety two
Medacritic score. What are the best games ever? Never heard of? Alright,
fantastic. I should go back and play some of those. Uh,
let's see basketball, says Crash Team Racing Neon Genesis. Evangelie says Final Fantasy
eight drops Mike airhorns. Uh it. Also, I also like Silent Hill
a lot, as you can see from this awful picture of her. That's
that's great stuff. And also that's a cool tattoo. I don't think me
and you're a huge Silent Hope people. We'll probably get more of a shout
out when it's Silent Hill two. That's right. I did play cast Buckero.
Every game from nineteen ninety nine has since been improved upon him one way
or another. Mario Golf in sixty four is a solid golf game, while
adding the flavor of the Mario Cast, good continual fun. If we did
improve upon Third Strike, it wasn't until like just this year. Actually never
improved on Ridge Racer Type four. I'll say that that's true. Tokyo Game
Life, Super Smash Brothers. I'd wake up early to play it before school.
It's that good mentions Quake three Arena as well. Octo says ray Man
two The Great Escape. Jeff Wren says Star Wars Episode and one. Racer
is truly the best game of nineteen ninety nine, and I do like episode
one Racer. I like it a lot as well. That's actually probably my
second favorite race game all the time. I didn't realize my two favorite racey
games keep out. In nineteen ninety nine, Bee Famer says Beatle Adventure Racing
is a real game and has a ninety on Metacritic. That's right, it's
one of the best reviewed games on N sixty four. Mister Bowler, and
I'm not a big RTS gamer, but Age Vampires two is probably both my
favorite arts and game of nineteen ninety nine. One Gift says, oh,
mega boost, because I guess no one else will say it right, Yes,
that's definitely true. I remember people mentioning in this game. I've never
actually found that or like or something. It looks it's there's a Meccan there.
Yeah, I don't. I don't really know. Lenny Cool Dick Denver
says, if you don't put legacy of Kane's Soul Reaver on the list,
Tam will never forgive you. Tam. I'm already here my sins at strass.
We don't have to tell him, tell Tan everybody all rights between us.
Chuck nineteen ninety one says, being a Sega home console kid in nineteen
ninety eight passed me by, but ninety nine was my year. Sonic Adventure,
Tony Hawk's pro Skater NFL two K Soul caliber North American console released,
and Dreamcast and shout out to Pokemon Yellow Jet jat binks it never came to
North America. But Pepsi Man, Pepsi Man Razzle Jazzled says, Grandia to
serves a mention here US releases nineteen ninety nine. Teryaki Blues says, shout
out to Legend of Lagaya Logia. I can never say that Lagaya Lagaya is
how I would say it, I guess uh Slain. I might say roller
Coaster Tycoon, but I'll save that one for roller Coaster Tycoon two. So
for this year, I'll pick one of the best shooters ever. Unreal Tournament
uh A Cybers Sberez says, Age of Empires two. Ezypsis says. My
head says Smash Brothers, but my heart says bugs money lost in time.
So I'll go down the middle and say Unreal Tournament two or Real Tournament.
Excuse me? Yeah, of course. Uh Ugante's says Donkey Kong sixty four
one. We got your game. This year, we got sold Caliber with
Cervantes, the pirate that your name is after. That's right, survived days
hegante. It's all the same. Hosp says, finally time for an RTS
here with one. I'm still playing in Age of Empires two. I should
play that definitive addition since everyone loves it so much. Yeah, I said
Isaac Clark. It's roller Coaster Tycoon for me. Fellas Service Kaine says Gauntlet
Legends and also says Soul Caliber for obvious reasons. Yeah Man, Gauten Legends.
It's just a fun, stupid game, yeah, Jack eg Man.
All the best games released in nineteen nine nine can't be included because of your
rules. But hey, Smash is cool and Smash sixty four is good fun.
I want to want what rules that they have to be released in the
United States rule there might be a lot of games that came out in Japan
and even Europe. I guess yeah. Matt Rare Monkey says Street Fighter three,
Third Strike, Tony ex Pro Skaters, Soul Caliber, System Shock two,
Ridge Racer Type four. That's pretty close to our last test. Pretty
close, yeah, Gerber on nineteen ninety nine, when Prince was still alive
and Jennet Jamison hadn't selled her virtue by sharing her political views Halcyon Days they
mentioned Soul Reaver, Diogo throwing a mentioned for Silent Hill, bugg Adilla,
A bit of Das says. Nineteen ninety nine was the goat year for Blake
Club worthy games, Superman sixty four, Earthworm Gem three D, and South
Park Rally, all in the span of twelve minutes. Park Rally God.
I played Earth from Jim three D. It is nowhere near as bad as
some of these other games, Like it actually plays like a video game.
Yeah, it is incredible, but the perspective Blake Club is giving us because
I think I thought that Animals game was supposed to be bad, and like
what you play like, this looks completely This is fine. Listen to people
are getting too big for their bridges about what's bad. Crouching Boomer Hidden Zoomer
Special shout out to the South Park Pinball machine not necessarily but not necessarily because
it was good, but it was made by Sega Pinball and would be their
last machine before ultimately selling the pinball rights to Stern, thus forming the Stern
Pinball Division here's a YouTube link to the footage. I mean that thing looks
very very cool, all rights. Alexei if Kings sol River from Vision,
suken In two from osweek It In two from Alex Kaiser. Phoenix says Garu
Marco of the Wolves always be Clothing. Slash Corgi says Astron's Call is the
first MMO I've ever played. Astrand's Call also nineteen Yeah, it was.
I liked Ashlands Call more than I liked EverQuest for sure. I remember playing
Ashlands Call the first time, like running around actually just like meeting a stranger
and becoming quote unquote friends with them. It was pretty cool. Then finally
a Roller six six one zero says the Final Fantasy eight and I D Kevin
says, AH Vampires two. They're still making expansions for Mike. I think
not a lot of new stuff there. There were a handful of a handful
of suggestions that I that we haven't said, But for the most part,
I think our list right now sold Caliber Tonia Expert, Skater, Street Fight
three, Third Strike, and Radge Racer Type four for inclusion in the top
five is still a lock. Where are we going with this last one?
There's a few places like sweeking in two makes los sense for me, is
like yeah, this jffty Darling. There's a lot of support for h Vampires
two, and I know we've kind of been slighting that whole genre so far.
It's going to get another chance coming up here when when we get to
Warcraft three. Yeah, but still a vent Pires two. Yeah, this
that does feel like a the start of a different era a little bit though,
with the introduction of the heroes and kicking off you know, delta stuff,
it almost like starts the branch like where that genre becomes mobile basically,
yeah, right, because of the hero classes of Warcraft three. So I'm
okay with throwing Age of Empires two up there. That works for me.
I got I got no beef with that. I think I do like that,
you know, you know, I feel I feel bad a little bit
for sweekt into and basically get it to mostly is what I feel bad counters
like a little bit. But yeah, I think Aires two is actually a
right choice there. Let's give that something. Now, Let's make sure are
we good with the order here? I mean I like Tony's pro skater a
lot, obviously, but this is the first one. I don't know.
I'm okay with putting pro Skater down further if we want, Yeah, it
could be. It can be like number five, even if we want,
I think it can maybe be number five. All right, let's see here
then, uh do we put Rags Took four number tw I'm I think it
well the games on this list, I think it's number two, yeah,
yeah, and then Third Strike Third Strike at three because of course at the
age of the birth two bro Skater. But I think Sol Calvert is actually
number one for us, right, yeah, I mean you can put that
game out today and it would be a contended for a Game of the Year.
I think it was that good. It was so good and it was
so far ahead, Like you know what I think I do think about both
ways what it was like then. It was like now that gave it was
still fun to play now. But man, when it came out, that
was just mind blowing. How ridiculously cool that was. I mean that was
just playing a Dreamcast on launch stuff. Thing will ever be like that.
It was insane. Yeah, Like we were still in the nineties when the
Dreamcast launched, Like it was like we had just like the year before we
were playing in sixty fours and PlayStations, and she's like a few years before
that, we were on Super aninten like it was like the anis was a
like yeah, right, well it wasn't even that. It's not like you
Casino. I know. It had a long life cycle, like Ganyes,
was still Nintendo's newest console at one point in the nineties. Yes, and
then by the end of that decade, we're playing the god damn Dreamcast and
Soul Caliber in our homes, right, like not not like Neo Geo playing
it and somebody's home somewhere. It's no. My friend got a Dreamcast day
of and it went over there and we played Soul Caliber, and it would
it changed everything, Like it's like, okay, three D gaming is actually
here. Now we are out of the dark ages of three D gaming and
now it's it's for real and boy, yeah it's Soul Calibarry's number one the
bullet for me. Love love the rest of this list, though, I
really like this one even. I know, like nineteen ninety eight has a
lot like the obvious, like changing the industry games, but there's still a
lot of cool stuff in nineteen ninety nine yes, I and a lot of
games that I think are very fun coming out in nineteen ninety nine, where
it's like, it's definitely a lot of important games in nineteen ninety eight without
a doubt. Uh okay, I think we'll take a the quick break.
When we get back, we are going to talk about what we've been playing.
See in a second, Mike, I beat Tears of the Kingdom.
You did it. I did it, beating it right now and including you
people. I'm one of the people who was beating it right now. It's
boy beating it right now. Thank you, past Jeff. That is a
very good ending to a video game. Stuff. It's really it's a and
you know me like that was my biggest complaint with Breath of Wild. I
thought the ending was weak. I thought the final boss wasn't interesting, and
I thought like the ending after that was weak. This is very much amped
up in terms of just prestation, excitement, all the fun stuff. Yeah.
So the Breath of the Wild, my thing was I just needed I
don't need a big tough boss fight. I just needed to look cool.
And there was some cool visual elements to the boss, but it clearly it
was they weren't trying a bunch of different ideas and they weren't bringing this was
it. It's some huge culmination of all these other emotional threads and Tears of
the Kingdom is that, and uh, it's got It just keeps going and
it keeps amplifying and keeps getting bigger and that and they used they do some
fun tech, so like chat saying yeah, we're doing smiley spoilery stuff about
Tears of the Kingdom right now, guys. Yeah, I'm sorry, I
beat that. I'm talking about beating the game. Yes, that's exactly right,
a little bit of a little bit of my I mean, I don't
know, it's talking about our feelings of the game, and like I really
that doesn't come qualify. There is one specific ish thing I kind of want
to say about it, so I do want to Yeah, all right,
spoilers everybody, and then it's it's starting now and if I mean, we'll
be talking about a handful of other games. But I don't know, come
back in like five minutes, I guess, Yeah, what do you want
to say? Well, so I don't know if this is really a problem.
Maybe does it bother you that the whole ending sequence, the whole building
mechanic, all the all trans stuff that was so important to the game that
doesn't really fact or into anything you're doing at the end. You so like
so like and a leak between worlds, right, it's so cool is the
whole main mechanic is like attaching to walls and at the end that final boss
fight, they have to give you a way to use that in a way
you hadn't done it before, and that's why it kind of sticks out to
me. And this doesn't really do that. Like the final stuff is really
cool, and it definitely is playing off of another key theme, all the
verticality and the falling and all that stuff. So that's really cool. But
did it bother you that ultra hand was a part of it. It didn't
occur to me, no, And I think that's because ultrahand is you know,
there's ultrahnd, there's ascension, there is time reversal stuff, and that
stuff didn't come into play. That's the stuff you do throughout the game.
And then and they did try to make a big deal about like these three
levels of the world, the sky, you know, the surface and the
depths, and that stuff did come into play, like you said, and
that was the coolest part of the fight for sure. They did some really
cool things there, like when you get caught in mid air after like doing
certain attacks and stuff, the way that you do get caught in the way
that's like kind of no matter what, you're going to get caught like that,
just so like I would dive straight down and make that happen. It
was just it felt so amazing. So I was like, I was too
impressed by what was happening to be worried about that stuff. And now that
you mentioned it's like, yeah, maybe they could have done that, But
again, I'm at the end of the game. I've been doing those mechanics
for one hundred and fifty one hundred and sixty for my game of one hundred
and sixty five hours. I just want a fight that looks cool at the
end. That's and what they did they more than delivered that. And by
the end, it's like there's a couple of great moments where they were super
emotional and fun. So no, I was, I was pretty happy with
it. You do you kind of have before you do that stuff the right
the stuff right before with the Fifth Temple is very much feels kind of like
the Ultra ham Final Exam. Right, yes, right, that's like its
own sort of part. It all feels part of that the end game.
You know, it's an extended endgame. But yes, you're right, and
so there's a huge opportunity to use all that stuff and so yeah, I
didn't feel that much at all. I just Boiler's kind of done. Now,
yes, exactly, there you go, everybody, come on back.
Now. I have a question for you, A question question. Yeah,
please, because now you're clearly ready for this since you beat it. But
Breath of the Wild Tears the Kingdom? Which one? Did you like more?
Breath of the Wild is a more important game to me personally. I
do think Tears of the Kingdom is the game that I would recommend to people,
and that I think I enjoyed playing more. And I think I know
that because when I was at one hundred and fifty hours in Breath of the
Wild, I was done and I moved on, and I like, there
are a few things I would I was like, oh, I'll go wrap
that up here. I'm just like, I could have just kept playing for
another fifty hours easy, which is a lot for me. That's like that's
saying a ton for me. So I just I think Tears of the Kingdom
is a more will refined game, a more well put together and well paced,
even though there's so much in there and it could be easy to be
overwhelmed somehow that never really happens. But man, nothing's ever going to really
compare to booting up Breath of the Wild and realizing that it's this game that
I've always been wanting and actually getting that. So Breath of the Wild has
a special place in my heart. But I think I probably do Tears.
I put Tears to the Kingdom just above it, now, you know in
reality, though, Mike, you know you ask me that question, is
why I would answer it. I don't need to actually have that in my
own personal like ranking in my mind, I'm not doing that. That's like
I feel the same way about the Star Wars stuff, Like it's all just
Star Wars to me. I'm not gonna I don't actually need to rank.
Right, we don't know that you like episode nine just as much as episode
eight, and it's it's exactly right, of course, And that's I've always
said that, And you will never be able to find me saying anything different
in the past. Uh yeah, but boy, I just really can't believe
that they've delivered that game after deliving Breath of the Wild and uh yeah,
an incredible experience, kind of easily worthy of Game of the Year. We'll
see what happens. A lot of a lot of year left, apparently so
year left a lot of you know, I think a lot of people are
going to have their favorites. I think it's gonna be toughs the King of
for a good amount of people. But yeah, I was I was just
spamming the screenshot button, scamming the video recording button. Yeah, just so
many very good things. It's good stuff. The sages were really fun at
the end. It's just I do definitely put it up there with like some
of the best Zelda endings with the wind Wicker and link between worlds for me
for some of my favorites. Yeah, it's really fun. It's I think
they really understand kind of what they need to be delivering there for the for
an endgame in a way that Nintendo was never really done prioritized a lot in
the past. Wind Waker amazing stuff, but it's like after that, it's
not like every Zelda was like building on wind Waker and doing more than win
Wicker did. Yeah, they were kind of try try right, try,
It was ok, it would work a bit. Actually, Skyward Swords was
pretty cool with that final bus fight at least, but no, nothing was
like Windwaker. That was ridiculous. Stabbing him in the head. What the
well the ocean is falling around you and you're fighting with Princess Zoonda's cool cool,
cool, cool, cool cool cool moment. Yep. So yeah,
but I beat that so that I could get ready for Starfield. Uh.
That meant like it's been all Pickman four and then and then Zelda for the
last week or so. And we talked about Pickman four on Less than Ten
Dogs. But that was also a very fun game game. I can't believe
I'm much. I mean, I can't believe that's the game I wanted.
You're presented. Basically, I didn't think I was going to be that interested
in it. Once you get in that loop, once you get that once
it gets tooks, and yet it's like so fun to just blast straight through
the end and then just keep you know, then you look around and you're
like, I could get the last few things and I really want to.
And it's like that's Pickman. There you go, you got it, and
yeah again it's the best Pickman's ever been. But do you have any interest
of checking out Pickman one, Pickman two? Yeah? I mostly Pickman one
to see that where it really like a kind of started. It's it's gonna
be hard to find time right now to do that, you know, not
Now that I do have sort of free switch time again, I do think
I am going to check out Octopath Traveler to make sure that I have at
least an opinion on that. Since so many people have been commending it.
People seem to like it so much. Let's give it a shot see if
it gets its hooks into me as well. And if not, then I
can just go move on to Found fifty six Pixary Master like I wanted to.
Yep, yeah, totally fair. I don't know anything else. You
have any more time for Boulders Gate. I mean's no, I've been I's
been playing something else I can't talk about us, so and now there's Starfield
also, but I want to play more boulders Gates, but now I'm gonna
be playing Starfield, so it's a little difficult there thirty x SEX though,
I've been playing even since we did the quick look, been playing more of
that, even got to like the final level, even been having some some
good runs, even like getting pretty decently far with some mediocre builds. I
feel like, I think that game is really fun, and I know it's
I know it's easy to get overwhelmed with all these new games, but if
you like Mega man X, please make sure you at least check out thirty
x X. It's really cool. I installed it on the Roger Solid have
it there. It's like an option to play a bed time, I think,
And I'll try to get a couple of runs in here and there,
yeah, and then yeah, just it really is kind of all Starfield,
and so I'm like trying to come up with a game plan in my head
about but really, I have no idea how long I'm gonna be playing Starfield,
and I kind of want to do what I did with Zelda to a
certain extent and be like, if it takes a lot of time to like
have my experience with it, then so be it. Well, the star
Field is that like the BETHESTA games, beating them even like more, even
like less owns than Zelda isn't really beating it, Like who cares? Exactly?
You can go in beat it and appease the people who would be upset
if you did it right except right now, thank you? Yes? Uh.
Personally though, I only want to read reviews of people who didn't beat
Starfield. I don't get that, Like, if that's what you did,
you you were not going to have the experience that I care about that caters
to me. Tell me about your weird side stories, that's all that matters.
So yeah, that's probably how ill they're really a Star Wars argument going
on a chat. My god, I can't even make a you can't see
anything, you can't see the word episode eighty without actually even giving it pit
but to make it a joke without man, I almost almost shot shoot the
nut, shoot but the lad a couple of the comments, the first comments,
because I knew that she was going to happen, and it happened,
I should have just act on my intuition, I think at this point,
Yeah, whatever, just let let the argument happen. If it burns out
faster than ever, these things, you just gotta let them tire them exactly
exactly. Just everyone wave your arms, including me. They Shoka pretty easy
at all? You care about Ashoka Ahska? Okay, Well yeah, but
it's it's before the yes ah Soca. Yes, Yeah, there we Gooca,
Yes, there you go. Man, Shoka, you were sitting what
is he talking about about? I probably shouted, like a totally go real
fucking nerd who doesn't know what's cool? Scored, thank you for being a
member for eleven months thing. Yeah, x score, always been a supporter.
Thank you so much, x score. I'm like, I go back
and forth on Ahsoka. Aska is definitely Dave Filoni's insert fanfic character and that,
but he's like pretty good at that, so that's okay to a certain
extent. But I just could never get super excited about like this is the
future of Star Wars because it's just it's just not to me. But right,
somebody who never watch those cartoons, I know people like them. A
Soca Soca always seem to like the like like a bit of a scrappy deuce
to me, and I know that's probably not actually the case, but I
can't get that mess literally on she is, yes, but they like adjust
her pretty quickly and she grows up like literally in the show she gets older
and there's a lot of great Clone Wars, but yeah, it's for for
me, it's it was never it never clicked super well. And for my
I always had the issue of, like she showed up in the Mandalorian and
still like spouting all the dogma of the Jedi about it. I thought she
didn't like the Jedi anymore. I thought they and I'd be like I hadn't
finished Clone Wars and everyone everyone's like, oh, you're embarrassing yourself if you
think that, Like she didn't like think the Jedi were bad, and like
the only reason she thought the Jedi were bad is because they thought she was
a terrorist, not because of anything they believed. It was, Like,
guys, come on, they nope, the show doesn't really still get it.
And I think they do when they talk about it, like over extending
periods of time, they just never show it in the show. So whatever,
not Star Wars. The short answer is, I will wait to hear
how good a Soca is because I didn't finish Obi Wan and I don't feel
like wasting my time with the Soaka until I hear that it's decent. Like
I yowed at Jeff, we're talking about Star Wars. Then I started a
big Stars conversation. So did you get your tickets for Blue Beetle. I'm
oh, man, I am a rock hard for Blue Beetle. You let's
go go wake up the kids. Right now, we're getting the line,
I don't care if you're tired. Well, you gotta get the best seats,
you know. Yes, Oh, oh, let's freaking go, Daddy,
you're scaring me. Yeah, that's right. I have to scare you.
That's how important Blue Beetle is. Chris is right, it certified fresh
let go certified. Oh, let's bread a battle. That movie could win
the Oscar and I don't think I would be interested. I don't think people
could bring it to my home, like like Jehovah's Witness and like this changed
my life and I'm like, no, I will pass. Thank you.
I think I have my favorite twitch stream ever ever last night. So it's
just playing Super Metrid for the game Coast. So let's play Super Metroid,
my favorite gifts ever. They just started screaming about Blue Beetle. People kept
giving me more money than more screaming in there. It's like yeah, started,
Yeah, it's just like this series and you that like it popped you
and you're like, well, this is the rest of the night. Yeah.
It's like my friend Dave's like really like a cinemaphile. He like he's
resented the superhero movies for a very long time, so like Blue Beetle,
it's just yaught even a joke for him. But uh yeah, I think
I owe him a drinker or something because I really got I really got Blue
Beetle to pop off for me. Now, I'd be like, I know
I have like friends who like even I think Jan likes Blue Beetle. I
think I have a lot of fans who are a lot of friends because who
are famous, you had a lot of fan though, like I'm stupid brain
h yeah, a lot of friends who like Blue Beetle. But it's just
like at this point for the DC movies, who cares well, yeahs bros
in general pretty much? Oh yeah, well for sure, But like I
don't know if there was like I would probably go see another Marvel movie at
some point in the future maybe, although I didn't see Guardians A Galaxy three
even though it's at home now. That one I liked. That was like
I'm sure I almost kind of felt like, all right, well, I
like the Guardians, I'll see this. I'm not gonna see the Marvels or
uh, I don't even know that, you know, you know, interested
in the Secret Invasion to yeah, you would have to invasion, bro,
I'd rather watch Blue Beetles than the Secret Invasion. God. Uh you might.
You might be surprised to hear that people are upset about our list,
so really, because in chat people seemed pretty okay with it. I got
just there's two two once like you trolling and the other one says, what
a mikey ass list? How could you let this happen? Oh? Is
it because of Is it because of Ridge Racer? Oh? So people are
mad about Soul Reaver. I mean I'm with, oh yeah, sorry,
I'm a little surprised how much people like Soul Reaver. Yeah if that one
always felt like, oh, marketing made you think you like that game because
it was everywhere for it. But that's my bias, so you know,
yeah, totally all right, you know what, we're just rambling. Now,
let's wrap this show up. I'm don't want it to end, jeff
A man, I know I'm having a good time. Absolutely but this,
I know through this, I'm just gonna be watching Blue Beetle back then.
I mean, let's get back in. I'm gonna go to Blue Beetle Tube
and just lose myself. You know, I'm blue beetle like right now.
Yeah, I got several blue beetles up my ainus so that we speak,
all right, Mike, where can people find you on the internet? Uh,
tolkoto everywhere? That's that's who i'd be. That's who I am.
Uh and uh yeah, we had the game mess Game Club discussion, robertin
go up on our site. Please check that out. That was a lot
of fun. I'll try to strip some more at some point this weekend.
Uh. You know, I've did more than half of Super Metroid in that
first play through, so he's gotta go do the rest of that. Uh,
he'll explore a bit more, Fight Ridley, Fight Mother Brain, and
we'll be good there. But yeah, how about you, Jeff, Yeah,
I'm on Twitter still. I'm on a bunch of other places, Jeff
grubbing most most of those. I'm Jeffie grub grub on. Throw a little
more super chats, that's right. So oh, I'm a board a board
bart button, all right, what is it that? God damn it?
Thank you Jaking Jeff, remember reminding me the Andrew. We were just yelling
about everything else. I was just so none of these around, Blue Beetle.
Why are we stopping the show to read these? The Andrew thirteen says,
Alphas and Tari the Goat, unreal Turney, system Shocked too. I
do feel bad about System Shock too. It's been so long since I played
that one. I want to see again. Uh Ra six ten says,
Now that ranking has done, and your real question answer, when are we
going to get a podcast with Mike and his new best friend Double J Jeff
J I mean being a double J should do a barbecue podcast or something and
be funny. That would be fantastic. A T says, did you see
that Michael Sarah was on an unaired sitcom called The Grubs? What the fuck?
No, I'll look into it. Incredible. I need to see that.
I need to see that. Okay, now we're done. Cool,
all right, thank you everybody. I don't know. Now I gotta kill
some time. We've already done all the outress and stuff. Movie done.
Now let's fucking go. Blue beet a motherfuckers. I'm gonna buy Oh,
let's freak go six plastic blue beetle popcorn buckets. Could have said two of
them to Jad, the rest are for me, baby, It's gonna be
fantastic. There's no way Jan's beating Tears of the Kingdom by the way before
packs. I don't think. I don't. I'm sorry, I guess what
I bring her clippers. There's no way. I first of all, I
think he wants to shave his head, but second off, he does.
Yeah, I think he's it's not gonna happen. I don't think. Yeah,
I think if he wanted to, uh, he'd be surprised how much
work. He said he only has seven hearts or something, but he's got
two and a half stamin of meters or whatever. So yeah, I tell
you what, you don't not need that much stamin, especially in this game.
That's a mistake. I mean, he needed to get certain things.
But yeah, that's fun. You're right, you do. We need more
health because those silver enemies hit so goddamn heart. Yeah, it was,
and they take forever to kill two. That was my biggest frustration with the
game is those silver enemies. Yeah, finally, the weapons in degrade listen,
and that was like, that's what made me like really, like,
you learn worked the way it's supposed to work, right, I learned to
craft all that stuff onto my weapons. But I have all this shit well
because it because at first I was only crafted weapons on the weapons, and
I realized, oh, I'm supposed to be crafting these like monster parks onto
here to really get the attack bonuses. I shouldn't just be hoarding those hoping
right that I need them for like a armor upgrade or something exactly. And
so once I got to that point, it's like, Okay, I'm these
weapons are super powerful now and they last actually a really long time. So
beef Hammer is right. You do need a lost him if you're beating it
right now, that's true. Yeah, and everybody is beating it right now.
Damn boy, were you just most people are beating it right now?
Da? Yeah, why, I love your mom. That's a good way
to kill time. He's got this big soundboard here. They are going to
come Zelda. They are going to come Zelda Chief. All right, Jeff,
let's do each that here. Okay, they are going to come for
zeldat white girl, fatass white girl. My penis works sad. Yeah,
alright, Jeff, let's see each other here. Okay, damn, oh,
let's freaking go. They are going to come for Zelda Blue Biddle movie
dot net. All right, hit the insert ad button. I'll be quiet
for a second. Okay, uh, now is it cool if we get
back in Christian You're good? Yeah, it's good. Okay, I will
be right back. Jeff, yep, sure thing. Are you gonna do
the game first or the game? Were the game first? Yes? Yes
we are. Let's get that set up right now, right now. Oh
yeah. I was about to tell him Chad, but he watches him talking
and I could hear him perfectly on here and on the YouTube, so he
stopped talking. I was going to tell hey, Mike, Mike, Mike.
Yeah, I don't know what happened. It's like it's weird. Uh.
Somebody says something like I did update my drivers earlier today, and I
wonder if I just need to Oh yeah, the beautiful driver those baby,
I have to have those sweet beautiful drivers. Okay, let's see he is
streaming it. Here's that's right. How do I do this? I think
I do it like this, and then I show down video to participants.
No, there we go, and then we go to the tree the watch
along and cut on the Earth score. By the way, Yeah, I
know, it's just because I thinks we're getting moved around. Just give me
a second, it'll be it'll be fixed when we go back to everything else
bigger on the screen and you cut you down, So you didn't, you
know, look because because it's I'm getting set up in the other scene,
and because so everything's show the game. Yeah there's that, uh all right,
that looks good, and then let me just get Mikey down. M
m mm hmmm. A plane asked Guts from the aniverse circu in Congratulations three.
Yeah I tried. I was like, oh, what what class should
I play? I was like, oh, I guess I played like the
cleric or whatever with the big those can use big source. It's like I
played like an hour and then I saw all the skills and I was like,
this is not Gods. Gods is a fucking soldier. So he's just
a warrior. It's like, oh, this feels way better. It feels
way more in character, and I'm killing every fucking demon and creature because that's
what gots does storms are coming here? Just an fyr Oh, he's been
ready for like three days here. It's fun. I love rainy season.
He's fucking winter. It's never raised some winter here. Now he's in my
window. I'm fixing it right now. I'm short here. I couldn't measure
out your head grain. It's weird. If he was your real play you
would have have his hide. She's tattooed in your forehead. People right now?
All right, Jeff's you know what actually like this? Well? I
can. It's as pointed done as it can be. It's on those same
level as yours. Yeah, but all right, mm hmm, how's it
on me? You know you can't just scriped it so cert like? What
did I I don't know. For some reasons, I've had a difficult time,
like getting yours centers that you look fine, But there we go.
It's just a little bit shorter. You dont have to live with that.
Now he sends a lower than mine. I see what you mean. But
I have just crouching yours and you because Mike fixed the scoliosis for a second
there, whenever he wants to actually seem like he's tall exactly, I'm a
tall Mike. Oh, now, this is all off. There we go.
I don't know what's going on. What is this, Jeff, Yeah,
that's somewhere. What is this? Jeff? All right, world premier.
All right, let's bring it back in. I'm good to just go
into it. Yeah, me too. Let me just do this and see.
I always forget if so calvers one word, two words, it's soul
blade. Two words. I think soul blade is two two words. Right,
Yeah, you guys are probably thrown up by the fact that they capitalized
for a long time. Two words. Do they no longer capitalize the sea?
I think officially. Yeah, it's all just one word, no capital
c no fair enough, you grow up. All right. Let me just
get us our cameras fixed and then we'll get right back into it. Get
that camera fixed, broh, Yes, all right, now we move that
there, taller, we know, how are we break? We never got
that? Uh, we never got a Mike never asked. We'll get there,
We'll get there. I need Okay, let's see here. I think
I'll bring us back in after a short silence,