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Uncuilly Cunningham, The Great American Reds
Baseball kicks off the night about six ten.

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It's gonna be unbelievable. The Reds
are impregnable, like the imagine O

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line. The Reds are unbeatable,
like the Spartans at the Greek mountaintops.

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So against the Athenians. Right now, the Reds appear to be in first

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place by half a game at least. And they play the Brewers nine times

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in July ninth. That'll determine what
happens with this year's ball club. The

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division is very gettable. Coming up
later as the reaction to Hunter Biden's all

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fallout. He's gonna plead guilty to
three offenses, got a sweetheart deal one

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point five million dollars an income according
to the indictment count two one point five

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million, and he pleads out to
a misdemeanor, walks out of court.

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Not a bad deal, but nonetheless
johnan you and I now is of course

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moeegar moe egar, welcome again to
the Bill Cunningham show that when those of

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us that are not Johnny come lately
thought about this ball club. For those

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of us who bet on the over
sixty five and a half wins, sixty

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six wins. Had it all it
was because of a Hunter Green. It's

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cause of Ashcraft, it calls Lodolo. Those three guys are gonna carry the

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Reds pitching staff to glory and for
some the judgment seat of God. As

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we sit here this glorious, wonderful, incredible Wednesday afternoon, guess what.

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None of those three are even on
the roster right now. Although it's possible

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that the Ascraft might come back and
this weekend, but he's been terrible.

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Hunter Green's been up and down.
I think he's got one or two wins

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all season. Lodolo's on the d
elto sometime in twenty twenty seven. Don't

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know about Lodolo, who was the
second coming of Randy Johnson. So why

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are those of us who had the
courage to put their money down on the

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Reds to win sixty six games are
more? Why are we being justified?

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They put together a pretty good team, They put together a team with upside,

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They put together in an organization that's
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good at cranking out big league players. I think you can make the argument

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the last four weeks have been the
greatest stretch of Red's baseball this century.

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Now, he might say that's not
saying much, but look, they've had

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long winning streets, they've won division
titles. But pick up everything that's happened

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over the last couple of weeks.
Matt McClain makes his big league debut,

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highly heralded, right he ends up
outperforming even the most the biggest expectations.

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Ellie Della cruz big league debut is
an absolute smash. Andrew Abbott has been

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historically good in his first three big
league starts, and then last night,

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Look what Joey Vado did last night
would have been cool no matter what.

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Let's say this is the middle of
last season and Joey misses the first two

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and a half months, and the
Reds are forty eight games at our first

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place, and he comes back and
he has a whole run, a two

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run single, and he's basically the
central figure in a Reds win. We

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would say that's pretty cool. That's
another moment in what has been an otherwise

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outstanding career. But for it to
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stretch of what the Reds are going
through, to be the central figure in

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a ninth consecutive win, a win
that Valtam in the first place, all

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by themselves, you know, on
almost a nightly basis, I keep saying

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to myself, I can't believe that
happened, or holy crap, I didn't

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expect that, and it's a it's
an awful lot of fun. But but

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to get back to your question,
Willie, they've done a really good job

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of putting together a team. And
I think the word here is upside.

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You know, I think you're being
fair if you're wondering when that the bottom's

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gonna fall out of it, because
youth is unpredictable and they've got to make

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their starting pitching better. But I
think you're being awfully, awfully unfair if

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you shudder at the ocean that this
team, the Cincinnati Reds, could be

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in the postseason and be in the
postseason on a pretty consistent basis here in

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the very very near future. When
I compare the coming back of a great

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player, I think about what happened
when Jose blaming on Rijo came back after

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two or three years, had a
little bit of a run before his arm

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completely gave out. I think about
Pete Rose coming back from the hinter lands.

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Where are those goofy Expo uniforms coming
back to Cincinnati? Like in what

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was at August of nineteen eighty four, him coming back? Can you think

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of a second coming of a great
player? And despite the protestations of Tony

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Bender, I think that Joey Vado
is the greatest Reds first baseman of all

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time, better than Tony Perez,
better than Ted Klazowski, better than Todd

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Benzinger, the greatest of all time. Can you recall a time of a

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second coming of a player that was
really good ten months after the fact to

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that kind of a welcome last night. Well, the Jose Rios thing sort

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of stands out on its owne because
you know, he missed five and a

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half years and I was there that
front stadium when he came back. That

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was awesome. But you know,
look, Joey's gonna be forty years old

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year in less than three months.
He is not coming off a good season,

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his best years aren't probably behind him, and he's joining a team where

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you know, and he acknowledged this
book before and after the game yesterday,

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the expectation is for him to contribute, to be a big part of what

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they're doing because they're trying to achieve
something that five or six weeks ago nobody

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even would have entertained. And so
you know, who knows what this is

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going to look like moving forward.
But this wasn't merely a guy coming back

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off the injury list or coming off
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This was an iconic player, one
of the best homegrown talents the Reds

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have ever had, a guy who
is going to be in Cooperstown one day,

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a surefire Reds Hall of Famer,
their best player of the last thirty

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years. This was a guy sort
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defying time, defying aging, and
offering a performance that sort of looked the

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exact opposite of what we saw last
year, and they needed it to win

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the game. And when they won
the game, they vaulted in the first

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place. I've seen a lot of
guys come back from injury, but if

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you if you take all of those
things and blended in, there's nothing like

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what the folks at GABP witnessed last
night, and it continues tonight. About

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Tiger Woods, I think about Georgie
Patten. You might recall in nineteen forty

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four, Patten stands in front of
Eisenhower and is dressed down for making positive

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comments about the Nazis, and Pattens
then put into the hinter lands to give

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speeches in London, and then all
of a sudden Eisenhower needs some clown,

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some full some tank commander to take
the American forces against Western Europe, to

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bring down the Nazi symbols from Holland
and France, from Belgium, and to

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take the Nazi army on into Germany. That reminded me of Joey Vado when

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I think about Tiger Woods having all
of his difficulties finally coming back and being

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the coket aptain of the Ryder Cup
team about four years ago that beat the

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Europeans on European soil. Can you
think of some historical model of someone coming

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back from the hinter lands and succeeding
mightily the way that Patton, Tiger Woods

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and Joey Vado did. I think
when Jim Scott went to go work in

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another radio station and came back,
it was very, very similar. I

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was there, I was there that
day. I was there. Yeah,

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I know you were, No,
I honestly I can't um. You know,

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look, Joe Burrow came back from
a major knee injury and played Week

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one and led his team to the
super Bowl. And nobody saw that,

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right, nobody saw that coming.
But Joe Burrow was entering his second season,

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he kind of thought, Okay,
as long as modern medicine sort of

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takes its course, he's going to
end up having an excellent career, and

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if he does, the Bengals are
going to be better off for it.

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There has been a lot of chatter
in recent weeks from a significant number of

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fans, certainly not the majority,
but at least a significant number of fans

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wondering, should Joey Vado have a
role on this team? What's his role

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going to be? Is he going
to and I find this to be absurd.

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Is he going to disrupt the very
obvious Greek chemistry that these guys have?

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And so, you know, this
was a return that I think was

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marked by a lot of skepticism,
and I think, to a degree,

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to a small degree, some of
the skepticism is earned. They've been fine

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without him, They've they've gotten reasonable
production from players who have played first base.

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He is thirty nine years old.
He is coming off a down year,

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he is coming off a significant injury, and you know, looks who

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knows a month from now what his
numbers are going to look like and what

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his role is going to be.
But I think the skepticism from some that

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covered over Joey's return last night made
what he did, I think extra special.

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Great athletes come back from injury all
the time, Great athletes come back

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from the hinterlands if you will,
all the time. But I think if

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you take every factor that you know
kind of loomed over last night, including

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the success of the team without Joey
Vado again, I mean, had last

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night happened with the Reds eighteen games
at a first place, we would have

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said, Okay, that's another great
night, big performance in the long and

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storied career of Joey Vado. But
in the grand scheme of things, it

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probably doesn't mean all that much that
victory last night, a one run win,

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until the Reds in the first place
by themselves. Now, look,

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they might be back in second place
by the time they take the field tomorrow

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afternoon. But for a night,
Joey Vado authored a special moment, and

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it came in the middle of what
has been a month of special moments,

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and I think that's pretty damn cool. I look at Matt McCain, I

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look at Ellie, I look at
Andrew Abbott. Those guys literally were in

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diapers when Joey Vado started playing for
your Cincinnati Reds. He turns forty years

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old in September. He's a graybeard. He's old. And so they're looking

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at a player that they watched when
they were two, three, four or

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five years old, and hear their
locker next to him, And I'm thinking

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tonight, we don't have a lineup
yet for tonight's Tuesday night game, but

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let's face as Spencer Steer has done
more than adequate at first base. Do

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you play Steer at first tonight or
Vado? Well, it wouldn't stun me,

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as you and I talk right now, I haven't seen a lineup.

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It wouldn't stun me at all to
see Joey Vado used as a DH on

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a pretty regular basis. The reality
is that's kind of what aging players do,

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right, They assume the role of
designated hitter. He is coming off

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a significant injury, but he's also
a guy who wants to play defense.

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I think there's room in the alfield
for Spencer year he's played out there recently.

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What they do on a nightly basis
with Tyler Stevenson is going to play

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a factor. There's also a day
game tomorrow, and so I think the

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timing event might play a role in
where Joey plays. But Joey was always

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going to have a role when he
came back. You know, for those

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who thought, well, he's gonna
come back, and you know they're gonna

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keep him on the bench, that's
ridiculous. That was never gonna happen.

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Now, I certainly do believe that
how he performs in the short term is

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going to go a long way towards
determining how much he plays later in the

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season where he plays later in the
season, but we're not twenty twenty.

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Joey Vatta was benched by David Belle, so if he doesn't perform, there's

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at least a precedent set where they
cast Joey aside. But he's one of

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the most iconic players they've ever had. He's a guy who takes his craft

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very, very seriously, and last
night, if you didn't know any better,

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you wouldn't have believed that he was
coming off a bicep issue and a

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rotator cuff issue. He looked great
at the plate, and so you're gonna

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see him, and you're gonna see
him a lot. And what I what

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I hope has happened is, uh, you know, you talk about how

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long Joey has been with the Reds. Joey was drafted by the Cincinnati Reds

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in two thousand and two, Great
American Ballpark. They hadn't yet played a

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game inside two thousand and two,
made his major league debut shortly after Labor

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Day two thousand and seven. So
you know, think about how many players

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have come and gone and and and
all the different things that have happened just

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in that sport, just with that
team since two thousand and seven, and

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he has been a constant. He
has played his entire career here. None

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of us know what the future holds
beyond two thousand and twenty three. But

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in terms of players the Reds have
pushed through their system and had on their

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team, Uh, he's one of
the all time best. Unfortunately, he's

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not associated with winning through absolutely no
fault of his own, and maybe just

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maybe with what the Reds are doing
this year, he gets a chance for

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a big moment later in the season
or maybe even in October, that could

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change that narrative just a little bit. And he was always kind of an

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eclectic character, but as he matured, as he got older, he's become

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a media mogul, and I can
see him connected with the Reds for a

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long time. Quick quick answer is
Joey Vado on the Reds all time starting

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nine, is the first baseman over
Tony Perez. Love Tony Perez. Tony

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Perez has the plaque in Cooperstown.
He's an all time great central figure to

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two iconic teams. I can't say
that about Joey Vado, but player for

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player, I'm taking nineteen. All
right, Oh, thank you very much.

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I would note that the Joey Vado
jerseys are out and that the Johnny

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Come Lately's in the ne'er do Wells
are now wearing the Vado jersey. When

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you and I were Vado, when
Vado wasn't cool, well, that's usually

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what happened, you know. It's
it's nice to have those it's nice to

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have those fans back. Remember what
I said on Red's opening day, the

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Reds were marched for glory and beat
the New York Yankees, which they should

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have done in nineteen sixty one and
did in nineteen seventy six. The Reds

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and Yankees in the World Series.
Would you bet on that I get great

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value out of it. I don't
know if I love the Yankees. Chances

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he's either quite frankly, who's more
likely to be in the World Series?

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The Yankees are the Reds. Well, the Reds are an easier division.

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Well, that goes without saying.
The Yankees are in a division that has

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two very good teams, one team
that is setting a historic case if you

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went team versus team, I think
the Yankees have the better squad. But

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the free thing about October Baseball,
Willie is it's completely random. All you

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gotta do is get in. And
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get in, and five weeks from
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Max is Sure comes to Cincinnati,
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he anchors the Reds starting rotation.
Now, wouldn't that be something? That

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would be something? What else would
be something is if you came to a

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game, well, I'm thinking about
it on Friday night. That's what I'm

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thinking about, well, you know, I'm taking the day off tomorrow.

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It's a twelve thirty five game,
which means you're not working. So you

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know, I've got an extra ticket
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I'll be there Saturday afternoon for the
four ten game, and we'd we love

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to have you, might go on
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That's right, I really want you
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you know, nonetheless, there are
going to be some opportunities this homestand if

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you want to go, we'd we'd
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I promise. I'mlike Joe Biden.
No, we're not smell or hair.

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I promise, so kind of Let's
see what happens. All right,

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let's continue these discussions about my parents
at my ballpark. I look forward.

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I look forward to it. Thanks
Willy. That's Moe Egger, the best

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in the business, A savant when
it comes to numbers and figures. Let's

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continue with more your reaction plus my
reaction to the hundred Biden indictments this morning,

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all on news Radio seven hundred WLW. People have always craved entertainment in

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the early nineteen hundreds, Vaudeville was
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evening of various acts from singers,
comedians, and dancers, Andres the Great

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would stun audiences with his death,
defying guillotine allusions until he and his assistant

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got into a fight over paid.
Today we have something better, Eddie and

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Rocky. They're very entertaining and do
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Eddie and Rocket. This afternoon at
three seven hundred WLW, the Reds welcome

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the Atlanta Braves to Great American Ballpark
for a three game series June twenty third

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through the twenty fifth, presented by
UDA American Rights. Baseball kicks off about

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six ten to night. I can't
recall a more exciting time this side of

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twenty twelve, when the Reds have
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You take FC, which hasn't lost
a game. I think this year,

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think the Ben Galleys. The Bengals
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Bowl. Now the Reds are acting
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again. It's unbelievable, and I'm
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And as we said, all the
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the Rocks in town tomorrow, business
special tomorrow, and then the Braves in

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town Friday, Saturday and Sunday and
more. Let's get into it on the

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issue of Hunter Biden. This has
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And according to the indictment that I
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twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen taxable years, that the combined tax liability over those

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years is one point two million dollars
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million. I would assume that covered
income and the four to six million dollars

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range, and that those who spoke
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the details yet to be made public. Whenever the DOJ wants to leak information

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to get out to the public to
take away the ultimate impact, they leak

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to the Washington Post. By the
way, it's a felony for someone in

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the Department of Justice to wrongfully leak
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matter not yet adjudicated in court.
Soever leaked to the Washington Post from the

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Department of Justice committed a felony,
but that happens all the time. Whenever

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the DOJ leaks something to the Washington
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to carry water for them, and
it's always the Washington Post. And so

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by committing making this a big news
story today, somebody at DOJ committed a

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felony. But I regress, And
previously the Biden representatives have said that hundred

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Biden paid back the IRRs what he
owed, and so there was a well

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healed friend of Hunter Biden's in California
where he stayed for many months, and

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a billionaire's home an extra home while
negotiating with the DOJ controlled by his father,

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Joe Biden. So I can't imagine
if someone owed the IRS one point

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two million dollars that taxpayer would strike
a deal in which you would receive probation.

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This was during a time when Hunter
Biden was a raging crack cocaine addict,

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buying hookers and drugs. And I
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to five million dollars, an income
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two million, came from illicit sources. Did they pursue the source of those

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moneys? Of course? Not reporting
from the new York Post indicates that Barisma

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and other entities paid the Biden family
something the range of forty million dollars over

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a seven year period. I wonder
if the grandchildren who had moneies to deposit

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in their accounts from made up LLC's
actually filed tax returns. How much money

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did the big guy get Joe Biden. Well, that's on now foreclosed upon.

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Also, Biden plans to admit to
illegally purchasing a weapon, which was

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a handgun in nineteen eighteen. I'm
sorry, in twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen,

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illegally bought a handgun. When you
buy these weapons, and I've bought

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six or seven of them, you
have to sign a form that you're not

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currently drug addicted and you're not currently
having mental health issues. Of course,

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all you got to do is check
the box and away you go. But

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this is a big part of Joe
Biden's campaign on guns to make those who

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lie on these forms accountable for the
lying. And part of that deal is

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part of the admission that he did
that he expects to enter another diversion program

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and a less pun a form of
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problems, they're going to recommend.
Prosecutors, according the Washington Post, is

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going to recommend two years of probation
and diversion conditions, and if he meets

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all the conditions and program, the
gun charge would be removed from his record

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at the end of that period and
away you go. And I'm an American

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that feel that too many people are
locked up in prison for too long a

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period of time for committing criminal acts
that probably half the people in prison and

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jail don't belong there. I don't
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And whatever happens many of those so
called white collar offenses, none of

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us have to worry about that person
breaking into our home and robbing and stealing

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from us. To me, it's
something that I think the criminal justice system

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in white collar cases exact too much
revenge of those who are sentenced to five,

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ten, fifteen, twenty years in
jail for stealing money when their talents

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could be put to work doing other
things. And if you put me in

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charge, if someone owes the irs
one point two million and tax liability,

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and you pay all the money back
plus interest, and there's nothing corrupt about

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In other words, you didn't get
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to pedal influence because your daddy that
that's okay with me. I've handled literally

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thousands of criminal cases and that there's
a great disparity and what happens in courtrooms

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on criminal cases based upon who the
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etc. And well, it appears
from the Washington Post reporting today that Hunter

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Biden will not go to jail whatsoever. You might recall that we currently have

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a president who wants to talk to
about the one percent making big money doing

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their patriotic duty, that is the
privilege one percenter, don't pair quote their

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fair shared taxes. Well, it
looks like his own son and the president

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himself and the Biden family ducked out
of paying millions of dollars of their fair

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share. We'll get off with nothing
more than a slap on the wrist accounting

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putting it all up to a crack
cocaine addiction. In fact, right now,

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the families secure. The Biden family
is secure because they have Secret Service

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protection. But he still wants to
hire about eighty thousand new armed IRS agents

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to go after you. And speaking
of guns on a regular basis. Every

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time some insane nut job in America
goes on a killing spree, which has

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been happening for many, many decades, Joe Biden would quickly leap in front

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of a camera to demonize the NRA, lawful gun owners and Republican voters who

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respect the Second Amendment by complying with
the law. For those of us who

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have bought handguns, and I bought
an a R fifteen at one point,

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fill out the forms truthfully, and
Joe Biden says that's not enough. Joe

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Biden has never met a gun control
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how unconstitutional. So now his son, who he loves, which I understand

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that completely cops a plea on not
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and he goes home to dial up
his favorite pimp in the future to send

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over some extremely young illegal prostitutes to
his home for weekend parties. He's a

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freeman. Let's party the lesson here, well connected, well known, or

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treat it differently than those schleps who
simply show up in federal court having not

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paid in taxes one point two million
dollars. This isn't some small taxpayer who

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put a deduction on the wrong line. This is somewhat serious stuff. But

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sometime today or tomorrow, by the
end of the week, Hunter Biden's going

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to saddle up, get the deal, and away we go. Lesson is

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we learned that when Donald Trump is
charged with obstruction of justice and also in

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a sense spying for moving a box
of documents from one room to another.

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On the other hand, when Hillary
Clinton takes a hammer to hard drives containing

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thousands of top secret federal documents,
there's one one kind of law for the

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goose and a different kind of law
for the gander. Something is seriously wrong

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with both this, but we'll see. And I would point out that the

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trial judge, Judge Cannon, has
moved the federal case against Donald Trump about

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a one hundred and twenty five miles
north to Fort Pierce, Florida, getting

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it out of Miami, getting an
out of date, and she set a

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trial date around August the sixteenth,
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So this is going to put the
burden on the Trump defense to ask

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for a continuance. The US government
is ready to go to trial in August.

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That judge says one hundred and twenty
five miles north of Miami. We're

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ready to go to trial and beginning
in the middle of August. But it's

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going to be up to Donald Trump
and as lawyers to go to court and

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file appropriate motions to delay the trial. So we'll see what happens with that.

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Lastly, after one o'clock today,
I have James Bogan on. There's

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probably no attorney in the Try State
who's more artfully handled aggravated murder death penalty

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cases involving not guilty by reason of
insanity than James Bogan. I would note

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that the baseball season has been canceled
by the New Richmond Youth Sports Group under

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Kristin Bennett's a fine woman's leadership.
I love New Richmond. I go there

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once a month or so to the
French Street Cafe. I love walking around

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New Richmond, the home of the
Lions. It's a beautiful community. And

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the shock that was felt last week
when a dad would line up his three,

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four and seven year old sons are
are so beautiful and so filled with

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life, and to execute them.
The only possible defense for that is going

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to be not guilty by reason of
insanity or some other form of diminished capacity,

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and so James Bogan handles these cases
on a regular basis for the judges

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in the try state because he is
certified to do so. In order to

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handle these cases now, you must
go through a certification process through the State

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of Ohio Public Defender Program. I
would assume that Chad Derman, the vicious

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murderer, is going to claim poverty. You won't be able to pay hundreds

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of thousands of dollars in his own
defense. And I don't know if Claremont

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County a prosecutor, Mark Tokolva,
is going to treat this as a death

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penalty case. I'd be shocked if
he didn't, because that death penalty is

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on the books. And if you
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with these little innocent children brutally murdered
by their own dad, there's no

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reason to have a death penalty in
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one case, the other two are
freebies. You've got to have the death

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penalty in this case. And I
think the public in Claremont County would almost

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demand the death penalty. So what
comes into play then is a vigorous defense

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by the defense team. It can't
be one lawyer, has got to be

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two or three, and it's got
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to do a jury investigation in polling, you have to amount a vigorous defense.

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Otherwise, if and when the death
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and or a three judge panel,
it's going to be scrutinized for the next

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fifteen to twenty years by every appellate
process available in the state of Ohio,

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because we so rarely execute anybody anymore
for anything, and so the Claremont County

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and the taxpayers are going to have
to spend maybe up to a million dollars

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to try a death penalty case and
see it through conviction and the appellate process

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that may take fifteen to twenty years. This will go on and on and

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on long after lives in being because
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And so the criminal defense team will
have a choice of requesting a jury trial

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or a three judge panel to hear
the case. And they must have available

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to them all the money necessary to
hire every expert imaginable so that Chad Derman

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is given the due process he denied
his victims So James Bogan is going to

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be here in about fifteen minutes to
talk about that. He's had a great

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experience in these similar cases, and
I'm gonna ask him about the McNaughton rule

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and the standards in Ohio which is
governed now by statute about how can you

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present a defense in this kind of
a case. It must be extremely vigorous

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in order to withstand a pellet process. One of the favorite things to do

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in these cases is ineffective assistance of
counsel and the lawyers involved in this case

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who will take these cases. And
James Bogan has not yet been contacted County.

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It's going to have to have a
lot of money available to them to

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mount a very, very vigorous defense
under the various standards of insanity. There's

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two aspects. One is at the
commission at the time of the commission of

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the defense of the offense at the
time ched Derman lined up his children to

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murder them, was he then suffering
from a mental disease or deffect that made

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it impossible for him to discern right
from wrong? Then the second aspect is

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at trial, which will probably take
place sometime toward the middle of next year,

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that is he mentally alert and can
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at the time the offense was committed, was he mentally ill as defined

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by statute? Therefore he's not guilty
by reason of insanity? Or Secondly,

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the lawyers are going to have to
determine at the time of trial, can

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he counsel with him in his own
defense? There's no the difference between right

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and wrong. Can he conform his
behavior to the dictates of law? And

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so is he saying to stand trial? Is the second aspect when these offenses

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are committed. Number one, you
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that doesn't apply. Or you think
about you got the wrong guy. Well

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he's confessed to the crime. I
don't think that's gonna fly. Can you

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keep the confession out because he was
mentally ill at the time he gave the

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confession. That's going to be a
big issue in the case. Get over

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those hurdles. He didn't get into
the fact that no reasonable person would ever

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do what he did. It's impossible, so therefore it was insanity by circumstance.

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I mean, if a husband shoots
a wife or a wife shoots a

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husband, you can say, well
that was a marital thing, and it

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was. It might have been planned
for a while. But a jury can

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sit there and saying, well,
these things do happen. It's terrible,

416
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but it's awful. But when you
have three innocent children brutally lined up and

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murdered execution style, the argument might
be, well, Chad Derman thought they

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were a coke machine, or he
thought that God was telling him to do

419
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it, or he wanted his angels
to go to heaven, or Lucifer told

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me this had to be done.
Those all feed into an n GRII not

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guilty by reason of insanity. It
is very, very very rare to have

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a jury, especially in Claremont County. You might find more in urban areas

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in which there's a more diverse jury
pool, But when you go to Boone

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County or Butler County or Claremont County, I can't imagine if has there ever

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been a not guilty by reason of
insanity in any of those counties. Maybe

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I'll talked to Rob Sanders about this. I don't think so. It's rare

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to prove that you had no idea
what you were doing at the time the

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offense was committed. By that I
mean, according to the prosecutor's office,

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he planned this for many many weeks, and each day of those many many

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weeks, he got up in the
morning, he put his socks and shoes

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on. He was cognizant as his
circumstances. He maybe took a shower,

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he shaved, he put his clothes
on, He drove a car, He

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stopped at stop signs, he stopped
at stop lights, he yielded, He

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did all those things, showing his
mind was working in him. On the

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day of these fishes unspeakable murders,
he probably engaged in behavior that showed a

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mind that was that was engaged.
He did things that his mind worked and

437
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.559
caused him to do certain other things, to point the rifle, to load

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the gun, to plan it out. Those are involved mental processes, and

439
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if they involved mental processes, that
mean his mind was working, in which

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case he could conform his behavior to
the dictates of the law. We'll go

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into all those issues and more with
James Bogan after one o'clock today, about

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one oh seven plus, I've scheduled
an interview with Karen Johnson, the Great

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Karen Johnson of Channel five to talk
about the sense in the community. I

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know the New Richmond baseball team.
The boys are on to have stopped play

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00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.639
and they're going to do a remembrance
of life at six pm on Sunday.

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I don't know the leadership of Kristin
Bennett is the president of the New Richmond

447
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:36.400
Youth Sports Association. I could not
imagine a worse crime committed a more deliberate

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00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:40.000
fashion, but will it be held
criminally responsible? That's why we have a

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great jury system, and I would
predict in this case knowing not that other

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than what's in the media about a
year from now when it goes to trial,

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00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.480
they're going to try to three judges
making legal and psychiatric arguments and not

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give a jury a fair shot.
It's Chad Derman. Let's continue after one

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o'clock today. What would James Bogan
do and what would he not do?

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Relative representing a vicious murderer on not
Guilty by Reason of insanity? Twelve fifty

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six, Home of Your Reds going
for ten straight tonight on news radio seven

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00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:24.239
hundred Get Georgickets now four hour twenty
twenty three. I heard radio music festival

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00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:32.960
coming back to usually coming into Great
American about an hour or so. Would

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schedule to Karen Johnson of Channel five
that you're here to talk about more of

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what's happening in Claremont County. And
there's probably few lawyers in the tri State

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that have the same experiences of James
Bogan when it comes to representing individuals charged

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with death penalty eligible offenses. There's
not been an announcement yet they're going to

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go for the death penalty. But
to knowing Mark Catolva, who is the

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prosecutor there, and the fact Claremont
County is a very tough place to have

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a criminal defense, it's made on
an n GRI. I would anticipate some

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decision might be made in the next
few weeks to try this as a death

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penalty case. That puts all kinds
of things in play. And of course

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Chad Derman is facing I hope the
death penalty soon for the murder of a

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seven to five and three year old
sons. He lined them up and shot

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them one by one. I assumed
the seven year old made it out of

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the house, chased him down in
the field, brought him back and executed

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00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:29.280
him again. And James Bogan has
great expertise in this area. And James

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Bogan, welcome again. To the
Bill Cunningham Show and James tell the American

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people about how many aggravated murder cases
have you handled and how many were not

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guilty by reason of insanity? The
so called n GRI. I've handled quite

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a few, not aggravated murder cases
I've handled, but on three death penalty

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00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.400
cases, two of them might did
not go on to until completion, and

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00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:59.320
the third one we tried it and
he was got life without parole. And

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if you were all last year,
I have that roseland Bar shooter where he

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was schizophrenic and was unmedicated at the
time, but he was found by two

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separate doctors not to qualify for not
guilty by reason of insanity. So when

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the public says, oh, he'll
get off on insanity, that's really a

482
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:22.760
misconception. It's an extremely hard standard
to meet. Let's talk about the standard

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because in this case, as far
as the defense is, one might be

484
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I didn't do it. That appears
to be off the board. Another one

485
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:37.320
might be self defense or justification.
That's off the board. The only thing

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that remains is n GRII not guilty
by reason of insanity. What are the

487
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standards in the state of Ohio if
someone says I'm not guilty by reason of

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insanity, what are the standards to
find somebody not guilty under that banner,

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Well, Bill, you would also
be looking at competency and the serious mental

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illness defense, which applies only to
death penalty. But for not guilty better

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reason of insanity, you have to
prove that as a result of a severe

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mental disease or defect, your client
did not appreciate the wrongfulness of their actions.

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In the rose On Bar shooting case, the reason why the doctors felt

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that he knew right from was because
right after he shot the guy in the

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head, he ran, which tends
to show that you're wrong. Trying to

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00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:30.440
kill witnesses, trying to get away, or trying to kill yourself are three

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00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.880
things that would indicate right from wrong. But in this case, what a

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00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.719
lawyer would be looking at with this
tragedy in Claremont County is the fact that

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the defendants did not try to kill
any witnesses. He did not try to

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kill himself, He did not try
to run after he shot these boys in

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front of a bunch of witnesses.
He sat down on the steps and with

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his rifle by his side, he
wasn't holding it was laying by his side,

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just waiting for the police. And
so in a case where he would

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kill the witnesses, I assume his
wife, and in a case where he

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00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.000
would try to kill himself and I
guess and miss, or in a case

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00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:15.199
he ran away, that would be
cognizant of guilt that I know I did

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wrong. Therefore I'm getting away from
the wrong. And so the fact that

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Chad Dermot sat on the front steps
with the rifle on his left side is

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indication of insanity. That those are
things that his lawyers would need to look

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at and doctors would ultimately make the
determination. But even if he's found not

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to qualify for ncuilty by reason insanity, there's a serious mental illness defense which

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does qualify certain defendants with a serious
mental illness from the death penalty. This

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is under the Ohio Revised Code.
If you want me to describe that,

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yeah, describe amount oil. So
instead of I didn't know right from wrong,

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I didn't know. I thought I
was shooting a coke machine and it

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was my three year old. Assuming
that doesn't fly, what is this serious

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mental defense that you lawyers sometimes look
at to get someone free of these charges.

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What is that This is actually something
that now has to be looked at

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in every death penalty case. First, the defendant has been diagnosed with either

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schizophrenia, schizo effective disorder, bipolar
disorder, or delusional disorder. And the

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second prong is while not meeting the
standard for being found knockultly by reason and

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sandy and being found competent to stand
trial, is what significantly the mental illness

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significantly impaired the person's capacity to exercise
rational judgment in relation to the person's conduct

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with respect to either conforming the person's
conduct to the requirements of the law or

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appreciating the nature, consequences, or
wrongfulness of the person's conduct. Those are

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the prongs under the serious mental illness
defense in Ohio. So he can claim,

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look, I'm seriously mentally ill.
I think according to prosecutors Mark to

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Cova, he planned this for many
weeks. There was a news conference held

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last week and which prosecutors said he
planned this out. Does not work against

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a not guilty of a reason of
insanity or a serious mental illness. If

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someone is planning out, if for
a period of three, let's say three

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weeks, he's planning how to do
it. He gets up in the morning,

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he takes his shower, he brushes
his teeth, he puts his shoes

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on, puts his clothes on.
That's indication of the mind is working.

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I don't know if he had a
job, but let's say he's working,

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gets in a car, has enough
mental capacity to start the car. He

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conforms to the traffic laws as he
drives to work. Every day. He

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has conversations at work with individuals that
are of such a character they don't turn

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him in for mental illness. He
then leaves work. He's obeying stop signs,

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he's stopping its traffic lights, he's
yielding to the right away. In

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other words, his mind is working
every step along the way. Doesn't that

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work against the mental if a If
a person's mind is working and there that

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proves they're not mentally ill. Yes, that is a factor, and yes,

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that would be a factor in the
probably doesn't possibly doesn't qualify column.

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On the other hand, what you'd
also have to look at is why did

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he plan it? Did he think
these boys were possessed by demons or something.

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Now I'm just speculating because I'm not
a doctor and I'm not on this

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case. But those are all things
that need to be looked at. Well,

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00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:37.360
tell what hold on on that point, James Bogan, What if God

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was telling him that he had to
kill these three boys, that they had

551
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to be sent to heaven or maybe
the hell, whatever his sick mind would

552
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say. There's some speculation that he
was listening to God when he killed the

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three boys. That's definitely something to
look at that would show delusions. And

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one thing I was just getting at
Bill is I saw an interview with his

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dad by WCPO, and the dad
had indicated that his son had choked him

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back in twenty ten, or his
son was charged with choking in twenty ten.

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I'm wondering if thou could have been
a sign of something else going on

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with him twenty ten at his age, that would be around the time where

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if he does have a mental health
issue, that would be he's thirty two

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now, that would be around the
time where first breaks tend to happen because

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of the male brain that develops by
the time they're twenty five or thirty.

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So if you're a teenage boy or
a teenage girl, there's a terrible events

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taking place where teenage girls are performing
self harm on themselves. That those are

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the times when mental illness tends to
emerge. It's between the ages like fourteen

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and twenty five years old for a
male. So this happened when he was

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like twenty years old, that would
indicate he's going down the avenue of mental

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illness. That's something that could be
a sign. Now I could be way

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00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:14.519
off on that, and I'm just
speculating, but that's something if you're his

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lawyer, you want to make sure
stuff like that is in front of the

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doctors who are evaluating your bait.
You know, they like to have as

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much collateral information as possible, be
as thorough as possible. Now, lastly,

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on the issue of mental illness,
sometimes the quality and character of the

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offense committed plays into it. If
some man and woman gets into it and

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they're going crazy at each other and
somebody pulls out a gun and shoots the

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spouse, you can say, well, you know it was a spouse fight.

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You get emotional, crazy stuff goes
on. But when you kill a

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seven to five and a three year
old, there can be no justification.

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I've seen the pictures and a way
of Karen Johnson coming up in about an

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hour on this topic, they're beautiful
little children. Does the quality of the

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crime committed play into the fact that
no sane person would do that? No,

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that does not play into it at
all. I mean the one time

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I actually did have a client file
found knock the starters in his sandy it

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was a robbery case where he knocked
a guy off his bicycle, took it,

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and then just stayed right there in
the area instead of trying to get

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away with it. So, really, Derman, because he didn't leave the

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scene, because he was compliant,
is an indication of n GRII because he

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didn't run, didn't kill the other
witness A shot her in the hand,

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but he didn't kill the step daughter. That the fact he stayed in the

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scene helps his defense. I think
it does. And he the wife was

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only shot in the hand. I
believe when she was trying to defend the

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children, she was trying to grab
the gun from him. So he did

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not kill up with a target.
Yeah, so she wasn't a target.

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00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.880
He didn't try to kill her.
He could have easily take them the gunback

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00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:06.119
pointed at her and blown her away, and he could have easily blown away

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00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.360
his stepdaughter or any other witnesses who
are there. Now, how does this

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all fit in the mix? I
don't know. Again, I'm just speculating,

597
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but those are all things that would
have to be looked at. So

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00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.280
the fact that he didn't kill his
wife and his stepdaughter and the fact that

599
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:24.159
he stated the scene is more indicative
of a mental illness than someone who would

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00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:30.840
leave that you could interpret it is
that now. I can't say that to

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a certainty, again because I'm not
a doctor, but that's certainly something to

602
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.599
look at. How hard would it
be when I did active cases of NGRII

603
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.840
I could always find one or two
psychiatrists that would say this person is mentally

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00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:51.320
ill, could not conform his behavior
to the dictates of the law, did

605
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.719
not know the difference between right and
wrong. It wasn't that hard. Since

606
00:46:53.760 --> 00:47:00.480
you're in the business actively today,
is it somewhat easy or difficult to find

607
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:04.960
a psychiatrist to say that someone is
not guilty by reason of insanity? Is

608
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:10.000
that still somewhat easy to do?
You really don't have rent and experts the

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00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:15.280
court clinic. They tend to be
well in Hamilton County at the court clinic.

610
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I've never used the psychologist or psychiatrist
out in Claremont County. But the

611
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doctors who are brought in by the
court to do the initial evaluation, I've

612
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:29.880
always found them to be very objective. And then when you go and get

613
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:35.719
someone like doctor Carla Dryer or something
like that for a second opinion, they're

614
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.480
not going to be. In my
experience, the credible ones are not going

615
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:44.360
to be rent and experts. So
right now, last question, when I

616
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:49.559
was more actively involved, I wanted
cases in Hamilton County, in Cincinnati.

617
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.079
I didn't want them in Butler County. I didn't want them in Boone County.

618
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.840
I didn't want him in Claremont County
because the jury pool can be a

619
00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:00.679
bit more difficult in Claremont County then
it might be in Hamlet County. Is

620
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:07.239
that still true, M Yeah,
you have to be in my experience,

621
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:13.280
you have to be more careful with
jury such and out in the outlying counties.

622
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.199
Now, I'm not saying that as
a knock on anybody, but that's

623
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:20.840
just by the numbers. But you
know, I was, you know in

624
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.679
my death Ponty case that was in
Butler County, and we were able to

625
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:28.960
get the jury to not even considered
a death penalty and you're not being assigned

626
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:30.719
in the case. Let me ask
you this, Jameson, You've got no

627
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.679
communication in this case whatsoever. If
the court would get a hold of you,

628
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.480
because you're one of the few qualified, there's all kinds of certification you

629
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:42.360
got to go through. Well,
would you take this kind of case?

630
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.280
Absolutely? I go by the old
school rule, the unwritten rule that you

631
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.599
know of, that when a judge
asked you to take a case, you

632
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:54.400
don't say no. And taking it
not an endorsement of the client's conduct that

633
00:48:54.440 --> 00:49:00.480
they're accused of. It's an endorsement
of the constitution and due process us because

634
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.320
if these rights get diminished for even
people charged with the worst crimes, they

635
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.920
eventually get diminished for the rest of
us. And you remember when I was

636
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:13.719
on here last year talking about the
story of John Adams right right with a

637
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:19.840
Boston massacre. Yeah, he said
he took the case because he believed that

638
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.559
every person charged with a crime is
entitled to a fair trial and a competent

639
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:29.280
defense. He felt very strongly about
that, and he considered that one of

640
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.760
the most important services he ever rendered
to this country. Are you looking forward

641
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:37.639
to a telephone call? Because I
would not look forward to do in this

642
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:42.480
case. But you're saying you would
do it. I would do it if

643
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.039
I was asked. Now, do
I actively solicit to do these cases?

644
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:51.519
No, that's ambulance chasing. But
whenever a judge asked me to take a

645
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.239
difficult case, which judges do,
tend to trust me with difficult cases because

646
00:49:54.440 --> 00:50:00.920
in addition to my private practice,
I do take these some appointm Yes,

647
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:07.039
you do it because it's to make
sure there's due process. It gonna be

648
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:09.800
hard, it's gonna be yeah,
without due process all of us and makes

649
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:15.000
it it makes it certain the system
make sure in the next case they cross

650
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:19.199
all the t's and dot all the
eyes by having a rigorous defense of Chad

651
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.800
Derman. I don't think I think
it'd be damn near impossible to get a

652
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:25.519
knock guilty in Clarmack County on this
case. But otter things have happened.

653
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:30.400
And James Bogan, once again,
thank you for your expertise and thank you

654
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.800
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show
this Tuesday afternoon. Thank you, thank

655
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:36.639
you very much to thank you Bill, always a privilege, Bill, Thank

656
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:39.559
you, God bless you. Let's
continue with more line becomes available five one,

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three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand pounds seven hundred to

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new at and T, and more
likely they're going to try this to a

659
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:51.960
three judge panel. I think that's
the better. The legal arguments may fall

660
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:57.199
upon more fertile ground to judges than
juries, because I don't think jurors are

661
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:00.320
going to give this guy any break
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Thursday at two pm Eastern eleven am
Pacific. All right, well, I'll

680
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:38.679
tell you what. Here's what I'm
gonna do. I'm gonna ask the White

681
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:43.000
House photographers come up, and all
I'm gonna do is I'm gonna stand.

682
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.239
I can't. I usually shake everybody's
hand, but I'm gonna stand in front

683
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:50.519
of each section. No, I
really mean it. And then and if

684
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.719
you can see the camera, they
can see you. And uh, it's

685
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:58.280
the least consequential part in this whole
meeting for you, I promise. All

686
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:07.119
right, God say the queen man. Oh hello, Hello, quiet,

687
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:15.840
I'm broadcasting. He thinks the Queen
is still alive and has sent is innocent?

688
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:20.119
Does he live at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania
Avenue now or ten Downing Street?

689
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.000
He don't know where he is.
Oh, okay, he thinks that Queen

690
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:27.599
Elizabeth is still alive. Didn't he
didn't tend the funeral? I don't think.

691
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.480
I think he said he sent h
Yeah, he sent somebody else.

692
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:34.559
Alla Harris. I think or in
trouble. She adn't do anything anyway.

693
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.960
What you what does she do on
a daily basis? Kamala Harris. He's

694
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.639
in charge of the border. Okay, she's doing a crazy job. Yeah,

695
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:43.320
real good. Yeah, they're walking
around. Yeah. Now you want

696
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.679
to avoid the sound of the question. What answer the question? What is

697
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.400
the question? We're getting things done
and we're doing it together, so you

698
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:59.000
don't feel misused or underused. No, I don't h The Reds like the

699
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:04.920
can I have her job? The
Reds Yeah, have about the worst record

700
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.480
and all of baseball when it comes
to pitching e r A. So I

701
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:12.280
don't mean the Equal Rights Amendment either. Well, they've won nine in a

702
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:21.159
row and they're in first place.
What first, let's get No, you

703
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.400
don't want him. You won Verlander? Should him done? Get justin?

704
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:29.159
You know who? I think they
may may go after Zach Grinky of the

705
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.719
Kansas City Royals. She had hurt
that guy. No, he's he's like

706
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:37.719
nine eight and two career wise against
the Reds. Why not if he can't

707
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:42.800
beat him? Join him is the
second worst r A in the National League,

708
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.119
the Reds. Only the only worst
team is the Rockies. Well,

709
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:52.000
but who's won nine in a row
and now in first place and sitting this

710
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.440
this this city. I predicted it, of course. Well you know the

711
00:54:55.480 --> 00:55:00.760
guy that really laid on it that
he didn't want Joey Vado the lineup and

712
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.760
all this stuff. Mo Rocky Rocky
barn Lance Lance. Yeah, they wanted

713
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:09.440
him to be fans certainly don't try
tate home runs unless I try to hit

714
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.159
home runs. He hit a home
run, amen to that. Well,

715
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.800
Rocky's been after Joey Voter for months. He's gonna chemistry, you know the

716
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:21.719
chemistry, right, What does he
know about chemistry? I note? Did

717
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.039
he flunk it at Saint X?
Probably did Willie. The Stude Report is

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thank them for our lunch today, Willie.

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segment one thing to think about.
I know you've always been a great fan

727
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.679
of the Eagles. Fall like an
Eagle. Also Hotel, California. Are

728
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.559
those the Eagles you're referring to?
No, the Milford Eagles. Joey Vando

729
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.079
with a home run and three RBIs
last night, will He vaults the Reds

730
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:27.239
into first place and the l Central
downing those Rockies. That's nine our first

731
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:31.280
pitch to Joey Vando and his second
at bat and he launches it way out

732
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:36.639
of here to write third home run
of the game and welcome back Joey Vado.

733
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:42.559
Tommy throng. Yeah's a heck of
a way to make your triumphant return.

734
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.960
He lined out in his first at
bat. That was no doubt her,

735
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:52.280
I mean absolutely destroyed it out of
here to write way back into the

736
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:58.440
seats. Wow, you know the
old king looks pretty good in that Viking

737
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:04.119
outfit. Well, what does he
ever? Turns forty in September. First

738
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:08.719
time they've been alone in first place
since April of twenty twenty one, Well,

739
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:12.920
that doesn't count a half game up
on Milwaukee. I'm about toward the

740
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.519
middle to end of June. When's
the last time they were in first place?

741
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:19.320
Joel Luckup didn't say that? Where's
Joe luck Up when we need him?

742
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:22.559
Also, the most go ahead r
R go ahead RBI's as a Red

743
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:31.719
number one Hall of Famer number five
Johnny Bench three hundred and seventeen, three

744
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:37.320
hundred and seventeen, Joseph Daniel Vado, I'd say one hundred ninety five,

745
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:45.280
three hundred and fourteen. Really the
big dog Tony Perez number twenty four,

746
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:49.559
two hundred and ninety six. Who's
the all time Reds first baseman, Tony

747
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:54.760
Perez or Joey Voto? That's a
that's a good one, Willie. I'm

748
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:59.280
going with Vado Game two of the
series tonight, Reds and Rocks, Kyle

749
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:04.320
Freeland and and Lively six ten with
Lance at Sports Talker, do you crate

750
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.840
insight? Pitch the Kelsey Chevrolet Extri
Inning show after the game. Now,

751
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:13.920
tonight is Zoo Night at the ballpark? Does that mean we're all going to

752
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.880
the ball game tonight? You met
Scott Sloan McConnell. Would you be in

753
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:23.199
a mini sub looking for the Titanic? No? Thanks, those people are

754
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:28.079
in dire need, Willy. I
kind of hope in a sense it was

755
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.840
one of those implosions and you're dead
within like a split second, yep,

756
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:37.280
instead of at the bottom in the
dark and the cold, gasping for air

757
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:42.440
and dying in the mini sub.
Zoo animals are gonna meet and greet fans

758
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:45.960
into fan Zone from five forty five
to six fifteen to night and during the

759
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:52.599
first inning. But about Fritzy,
they're gonna bring in Bbu, Tucker,

760
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:58.519
Fritz and Fiona. I heard those
hippos. They're not gonna be they make

761
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.239
a move. What're not gonna be
there? Let's see, let's see Sam

762
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:07.440
the bald Eagle is gonna perform during
the national anthem, coming from center field

763
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.559
to the pitchers mound. Does you
know where to go? Yeah, let's

764
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:15.559
see the latest All Star Game ballot
update is out. Reds Jonathan India tenth.

765
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:22.159
What about mccam among Nasal League second
baseman tat Matt McClean is the Reds

766
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:30.039
is fourth among NL shortstops, TJ. Friedl twentieth among nlutfielders. So get

767
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.320
on that line and vote for Reds
dot com. I think Matt's been here

768
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.800
less than a month, adn't he
pretty much? And Elie de la Cruz

769
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.559
has probably got a few votes too, So let's see what happens. I've

770
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:45.239
been here long enough. Also,
let's see Friday Night. Don't miss Quinn

771
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:50.719
ninety two. Who's turning ninety two? Quinn ninety two is performing live at

772
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:55.159
Great American Ballpark Friday this Friday,
June twenty third. All fans with a

773
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game tickets can stay and enjoy this
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774
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:06.360
want to get an up close of
you at Quinn ninety two show you get

775
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There's a limited number of field passes
also available. Go to reds dot com

776
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:17.000
slash concert or five one three three
eight one r E D S. You

777
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:20.480
know, I don't. I don't
want to appare stupid. I never heard

778
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:25.239
of this Quinn character. Well,
he was born Michael Timbrowski out of Gross

779
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:29.800
Point, Michigan, in nineteen ninety
two and out of Detroit. I changed

780
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:34.519
my name too, What was up
name? Michael Timrowski? I changed my

781
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:38.440
name. Some of his songs our
middle Finger, what Stung, Worst,

782
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:46.519
good Friend, Daddy, and Fake
Denham Sea a rocker, Well he has.

783
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:50.760
He's a little bit of hip hop, a little bit of pop,

784
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:59.880
reggae, rock and soul. Quinn
means quit unless your instincts are never neglected.

785
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:02.400
I'd go with, I'd go with. Put that on a T shirt.

786
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:07.000
Zach Brown is what I'd go with. He began his career in twenty

787
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.639
eleven, writing and recording his own
music as a sophomore at Michigan State,

788
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:15.039
the Home of the Spartans. That's
Quinn ninety two. Is he turning ninety

789
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:19.719
two? No, his name is
Quinn ninety two. I thought a rapper

790
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.880
at ninety two. That'd be good. Well Inner, MIAMIFC has announced a

791
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:30.599
superstar, Messy Messy gets a two
and a half year deal plus ownership equity

792
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:38.800
in the club at fifty to sixty
million dollars a season. His debut for

793
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:43.840
Inner Miami. He's gonna be July
twenty first in a League's Cup match.

794
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:46.760
Wait, and of course he's here
in the Queens City August the twenty third.

795
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:52.400
Now, who's gonna be bigger coming
to town in about a week?

796
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:58.960
Taylor Swift for two days or when
the big m rolls into town. That's

797
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:00.760
a flash pole item right there.
That's what I want to know. So

798
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:06.840
you're saying that Messi, Yes,
it's going to play in Cincinnati August to

799
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:12.960
twenty third. Correct, he's debuting
for Inner Miami CF July twenty first in

800
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.880
the League's Cup match. I'll tell
you what I would normally call Jeff burning

801
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:20.079
at this point, but I'm not
using my phone anymore on the air,

802
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:24.119
so I'm done with her. Why
he gets a signing bonus two? What's

803
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:29.159
that? I don't know who knows
an ownership equity in the club once he

804
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:37.960
retires? Messi, Messi is coming
to town. And also we say Willie

805
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:42.880
congrats to Purcell Marion's own d Alexander. We had her here past couple of

806
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:45.800
years right on with us. She
wins the gold medal with the United the

807
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:52.079
Team USA and the PHIBA U sixteen
America's Championship. I taught her how to

808
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:57.159
shoot, and I also got a
hold of one. I also got a

809
01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:02.760
hold of Walton Verona this morning.
Walton Verona State Championship Track team will be

810
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:09.920
in studio June twenty seventh, Tuesday
at one thirty June. When June twenty

811
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:14.400
seventh, I'll be here, all
right, that's pretty good stuff. And

812
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:17.519
then we got the center Ville girls
coming in the two days later. Julie

813
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:21.639
Rodgers is going to be here on
Thursday of this No, next week,

814
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:25.760
next week right with the Centerville girls
state golf team, the home of the

815
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:29.840
Elks. Probably give you a few
tips I could use. What about the

816
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:34.519
other night the other day at the
US Open, when that amateur guy was

817
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:38.559
putting I saw it. You know
what. Dj Hodge, our great golf

818
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:45.079
expert here at the station, told
me that something the group ahead of him

819
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:51.320
yanked the pin out of the cup
and made the cup do that. It

820
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:54.159
was like, oh, yeah,
I've have you ever seen it? Yes?

821
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:58.440
You have? The ball won in
the middle of the cup and at

822
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.599
the end of it a bit of
flap up on the soil. The ball

823
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:09.000
hit the flap on the opposite of
the cup and threw the ball back and

824
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:13.880
the ball went in the middle of
the hole. But the flap calls it

825
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.199
to throw the ball back. Well, that's because the group ahead some guy

826
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:20.679
yanked the pin out and messed that
cup. Well, then he ought to

827
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:28.840
be fired. Correct. What about
Wyndham Clark though pretty good McElroy Again,

828
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.719
those guys would have been five thousand
under par if all those puts would have

829
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:38.360
felled instead of right at the last
second, left right. You don't have

830
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.280
They don't have that problem. I'm
dead center correct. You would have.

831
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:45.079
You would have. You would have
tamed lacc with no problem. You know,

832
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:47.440
my buddies invited me to play there, and I think I will.

833
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:56.280
Now that was a wo Mick Cronin, who by the way, he said,

834
01:04:56.800 --> 01:05:00.920
is he a member there? Yes? By terrible gall Yes. I

835
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:06.039
like playing them because uh always means
take five bucks from It'd be Mick Cronin

836
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:13.079
you, Uh, Wayne Cruci,
Wayne Crucie, Mike mccau, Johnny Kraft,

837
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.840
Johnny Kraft, get them all and
and uh Uh, I could stay

838
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:21.000
in the poolhouse and uh and uh, mister Gregory Downtown, Tom, Tom

839
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.480
and Dean, Tom and Dean.
Get them both there you go, get

840
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:29.239
them all. Be a hell of
a matchup right there. You ain't kidding

841
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:30.760
segment, Get me out of the
stude repart. We have the great Karen

842
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:36.679
Johnson of News five Yes coming up
in about fifteen minutes talking about coverage of

843
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:43.119
Chad A. Dorman, the thirty
two year old murderer who three little boys

844
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:46.519
or angels Willie yep, I we
hit on a course, said James Bogan,

845
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:50.440
who does specifically this kind of work, which is n g R eyes

846
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:56.800
on egg murders, which is not
guilty by reason of insanity. If you

847
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:02.280
sat on that jury, would you
find Chad dorm and not guilty? I

848
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:08.599
guess the answer the answers the answers
no, God, I'd say no chance,

849
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:13.000
which is why you try to three
judges on a panel and don't try

850
01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.360
it to a jury. I can't
imagine a jury saying, you know what,

851
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:19.519
not guilty. How he's going to
judge a judge deal instead of the

852
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:21.880
jury. Yes. How are you
going to find a jury out in that

853
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:27.840
area? You know might be difficult
or do you move it to handle change

854
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:30.480
of venue. You got a better
shot here, and that's been Then you

855
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:38.519
go in front of j G right, Justice Joe, Joe Dieters. He's

856
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:44.760
got swords in one hand anymore.
I haven't talked to him on the air.

857
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.239
He's not he's gone. Joe Dieters
is gone with those to be our

858
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:50.559
buddy. And you stop in and
say hello every so often. It's too

859
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:54.920
big. He's got a smoking jacket, he's got some champagne. Jeez.

860
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:58.159
You go to the Supreme Court and
you just forget about your friends. Put

861
01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:00.760
his feet up like me and you, and has a sword in one hand

862
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:06.280
and lightning bolts in the other.
Ruling from Afar. By the way,

863
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:11.800
I have been asked to go to
the Supreme Court and be of justice.

864
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:17.280
Chief Justice has asked me to be
involved in the unveiling of a portrait for

865
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:24.760
Justice Douglas, and I told her
yes, yes, So next Wednesday I'll

866
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:29.760
be in Columbus with the unveiling of
the portrait about that of Justice Andy Douglas.

867
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:32.039
Now what are they going to put
one up for the first lady meet

868
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:39.480
you and then jj JJ will have
his own together on one wall. Yes,

869
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:45.239
Justice, Joe will ask me to
mc his function when his portrait is

870
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:48.639
exhibited to the assembled multitude. And
those are big two right, I mean

871
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:54.400
those are masters six feet which in
the back of a white horse with the

872
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:58.159
sword of God in one hand and
a lightning bolt in the other. That'll

873
01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:03.599
be justice that cowboy had on Sheriff
Jones with some of Joe's classic cuts.

874
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:08.480
Sheriff, could you play a few
of the cuts? He his voice,

875
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:11.920
just hear his voice once again?
Yeah, Nick, next time, the

876
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:15.519
next Stuge will do that because we're
gonna play calls or nothing. We miss

877
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:17.880
him. He's too big a weeks
too big. Yeah, now you know

878
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:20.439
that's the way it is. Say
give me out of the Studge report.

879
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:26.479
We have coming up in about twelve
minutes. The great Karen Johnson of News

880
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:30.520
five or five stands for sports William
Utter of the first place, Red's nine

881
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:33.479
in a row and make it at
ten and not gonna lose the rest of

882
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:39.800
the season. Well, Nick,
crawl, gather pitching talent like Justin Verlander

883
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:44.119
and maybe Max Scherzer. What do
you think We leave you with the immortal

884
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:50.520
words of the student report against Matt
Morris in his career and officially counting today

885
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:57.479
is two four eleven against the cardinal's
right hand. The pitch at a high

886
01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:01.680
five hit back into deep right.
Ki, your head just knocked the board,

887
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:09.119
but I'm hard block. Hey,
Hi, bribing the Laura Gack in

888
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:14.439
life lumber thirty touches at all?
My boy, what a father thing you

889
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:20.039
perceive. I have a text here
from the great Bob the Bricklayer quote.

890
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:26.439
If I'm on the jury, I'll
show each day with a rope. Now

891
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:30.960
that's an indication of what Clairemont County
thinks about this Chad Dorman. It may

892
01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:34.800
not get a fair trial. No, he will get a fair trial if

893
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:39.880
Bob the Bricklayer is on the jury, because bringing the rope is fair.

894
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:47.680
Would you agree? Sounds Let's continue
Bill Cunningham with Karen Johnson next on his

895
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:53.960
radio seven hundred w aught of you
take it to Miami Valley Games. Baseball

896
01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:58.199
continues to kick off tonight about six
ten going for ten in a row.

897
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:02.840
The REGI in first place. This
is unbelievable what's happening. But something equally

898
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:08.439
unbelievable on the dark side of life
is the murder of these three boys in

899
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:12.760
Claremont County. I had on about
an hour ago, Attorney James Bogan lying

900
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:19.119
out the possible lines of defense about
insanity, incapable of conforming his behavior to

901
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:25.399
the dictates of the statute. The
fact I find this amazing Number one.

902
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:28.920
The fact that he didn't kill the
witnesses I guess there were two, which

903
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:32.920
is the step daughter and the wife, is in indications of perhaps mental illness.

904
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:36.000
The fact that he didn't flee the
scene, that he sat on the

905
01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:42.079
steps with the rifle on his left
indicated that he didn't behave as a normal

906
01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:45.359
murderer would have behaved, whatever the
hell that is. And that somehow the

907
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:51.520
criminal defense bar will come up with
gymnastic arguments to indicate that Chad Derman,

908
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:56.800
the murderer, the father thirty two
years old, is not legally responsible even

909
01:10:56.840 --> 01:11:00.079
though he committed the offenses. But
a person that's been following this Matterson's last

910
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:05.640
Thursday is the great Karen Johnson of
News five and Karen, once again,

911
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:10.479
welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
When this thing, when this thing broke

912
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:14.479
last Thursday, I watched some of
the coverage that you had of this,

913
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:16.840
and it was like, well,
police aren't saying much right now. But

914
01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:21.800
they're standing around and the apprehension has
taken place. But when this thing first

915
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:27.600
broke on Thursday, and you cover
offenses like this on a regular basis,

916
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.079
what to struck you as unusual about
the coverage? At least in the beginning,

917
01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:34.760
Glad to tell you, you know, the first one, we are

918
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:40.600
hearing how three children were dead,
So many thoughts go through your mind.

919
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:43.920
Did someone just snap to be flee
the scene? But then when we started

920
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.319
learning more that there were three young
boys who were dead and the father was

921
01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:51.560
at home, started hearing more and
more horrific details, how the stepdaughter was

922
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:57.199
running down the road telling people my
dad's killing everyone. The mom was shot.

923
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:00.680
It was just there was so much
happening at once, and every time

924
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:04.439
we heard another detail, it just
got more horrific and more unbelievable. And

925
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:10.760
as far as the community itself Claremont
County and Monroe Township as a special place,

926
01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:13.680
Monrone Township, I think it only
has seven or eight thousand people.

927
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:17.760
And this is the second horrible event. I'm watching you last Thursday and Friday

928
01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:21.880
talk about it. This is the
second time in a small little community a

929
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:26.600
similar thing happened. Talk about what
happened with that woman who snapped. Also,

930
01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:30.840
yeah, that was I believe Ohio
township. But both of them right

931
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:34.439
outside New Richmond, New Richmond mailing
addresses. We are here. You have

932
01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:39.800
a mom who killed her entire family
except for her daughter. She killed her

933
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:44.720
husband, her son, her father, her daughter. Her daughter survived,

934
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:47.760
and you know she turned the gun
on herself. That situation, you know,

935
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:50.920
we don't have, you know,
the court process like we do here.

936
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:55.359
We never really got any answers as
to what happened. We understand their

937
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:59.439
house was in foreclosure and she may
have been hiding Matt from her family.

938
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:03.800
Completely different situation than you have here, just several miles away from one another.

939
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:09.920
Here, you have a father who
is accused of murdering his three little

940
01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:15.119
sons. And according to all the
witnesses and the police made their own mother

941
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:19.199
watch what happened, it's and then
he did not take his own life.

942
01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:23.039
He just sat on the step.
And if you watch that body camera footage,

943
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:26.680
he's just sitting there on the step. Police come over to him,

944
01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:28.880
you know, they take him to
the grounds. They you know, they

945
01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.239
get him and then he's like,
they ask, what's going on nothing.

946
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:34.720
Can you can you stand me up? I'm a little uncomfortable here on the

947
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:41.159
ground. It's like what And when
I had James Bogan on, he says,

948
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:48.359
that's the indication of insanity because no
reasonable person would what would stay at

949
01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:50.800
the scene. He would have killed
the witnesses. I'm thinking, well,

950
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:54.520
you know, a criminal defense lawyers, god knows, I know how they

951
01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:59.159
think have to come up with something. That something is you have to come

952
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:01.439
up say, Judgie, did it
got You gotta say, well, a

953
01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:06.479
reasonable person having killed a three,
four and seven year old would have killed

954
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:11.840
the two witnesses and they would have
left the scene. And I'm going,

955
01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.079
well, you gotta come up with
something. Yeah, and that's a criminal

956
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:19.800
defense stands bow were the great,
great defense attorney. Obviously that's his perspective.

957
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:24.399
But you talk to prosecutors. You
hear what they said in court last

958
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:29.199
week. They're saying this was planned
and Chad Dorman had this plan for several

959
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:32.000
months. So can you And I'm
not an attorney, but can you really

960
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:36.720
say, Okay, you know,
criminally insane, but yet you're planning a

961
01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:42.840
murder of your three children. No, I've had murder cases and what's a

962
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:49.000
woman killed her husband and two sons
believing they were coke machines and that she

963
01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:54.399
had gotten a message that these were
Coca Cola machines and she had to kill

964
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:58.680
them because they were dispensing evil sugary
products. You hear something like that,

965
01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:02.439
you're thinking, Okay, that woman's
she might be crazy, but she thought

966
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:09.119
that she was killing an inanimate metal
object. But in this case, Mark

967
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:13.760
Catolva took alva. The prosecutor said
he planned it for months, so that

968
01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:16.880
means you had I like to know
do we know whether when the rifle was

969
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:20.039
purchased? Do we know when the
AMMO was purchased? In other words,

970
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:23.840
if you're planning these things, how
are you going to do it? And

971
01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:28.399
what is the mind a three year
old just almost like a toddler who is

972
01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:31.199
shot down with a rifle in cold
blood in front of the mother. I

973
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:35.359
mean, this is so out of
character. You'd have to say the person's

974
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:40.159
crazy that did it. But how
can you be excused for that insanity?

975
01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:45.439
If you planned something that indications says
the opposite of insanity, if your mind

976
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:51.239
is working exactly. And we're so
curious to see what prosecutors have they've been

977
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:56.520
very tight. Lift understandably, they
want to protect the investigation the Sheriff's office.

978
01:15:56.560 --> 01:15:59.840
They haven't told us many details,
but I'm sure once there's an indictment,

979
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:02.119
which I do expect this to go
to a grand jury sometime this week,

980
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:04.560
so I think he'll be ended pretty
quickly, and I think after that

981
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:10.800
indictment we'll start learning more of those
details. And on the scene that you

982
01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:15.880
have a Channel five that they released
the body cam, the bodies appeared to

983
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:20.159
be in the front yard, and
so someone I would assume Chris Derman took

984
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:25.880
the bodies from inside the house and
put them in the front yard, as

985
01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:30.640
if he's exhibiting something to the world. I'd have I'd like to know where

986
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.079
when the gun was purchased, when
the MMO was purchased. But there were

987
01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:38.399
indications then you do reporting. There
was indications that neighbors had said that he

988
01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:43.479
was always barking at his wife and
kids. Yeah. I spoke to one

989
01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:47.039
neighbor who doesn't live too far and
he just said that there was violence,

990
01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:51.800
There was temper. There was a
man who had threatened I guess the neighborhood

991
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:57.199
dog at one point to slit the
dog's throat. So you have neighbors painting

992
01:16:57.479 --> 01:17:00.760
Chad Dorman as a violent man who
had, you know, a lot of

993
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:04.680
issues when it came to violence.
You have other people who I've spoken to

994
01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:10.119
who say they've known him since high
school and they should know what this surprises

995
01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:14.359
us because he was very normal,
like we've never known him to have any

996
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.399
kind of violent tendency. So but
again, those are people way back when

997
01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:21.159
what you know, fifteen sixteen,
eighteen years ago. Neighbors, though,

998
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:27.520
are seeing coming out saying now they've
witnessed in recent years him being violent,

999
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:31.000
maybe not physically, but verbally.
And I wonder if the neighbors or his

1000
01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:34.560
wife has got to be in a
state of shock. She has to be

1001
01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:40.920
in care herself at this point,
feel a sense of remorse. I should

1002
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:43.920
have done this, I should have
done that. And I always tell those

1003
01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:47.119
individuals, look, you deal with
these circumstances as they take place in real

1004
01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:50.640
time. Looking back, everything we've
done in our life would be a whole

1005
01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:56.640
lot better from twenty twenty hindsight.
But the mother who was shot in the

1006
01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:00.319
hand, I would think, and
the neighbors are thinking to themselves, why

1007
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:04.199
didn't I stop this ahead of time? I know, but she tried.

1008
01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:08.399
From what we're hearing, she tried. And you know, we don't know

1009
01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:11.760
what goes on behind closed doors.
We don't know. You know, this

1010
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:15.319
is all speculation at this point.
I did speak to the stepdaughters, one

1011
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:18.880
of her good friends who would sleep
over the house, and she said,

1012
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:21.880
you would't sleep over great family.
Yeah, they were strict. There were

1013
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:26.479
bedtimes, there were curfews, but
there were never any red flats. And

1014
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:30.520
this is someone who spent the night
in that house. But yain, when

1015
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:32.920
people are inside your house, you
just don't know what's going on when it's

1016
01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:36.680
just Stuf the family and you're behind
those doors. Thirty two years old.

1017
01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:42.760
As far as previous criminal offenses,
there were some neighbors talking about, but

1018
01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:45.880
it is I'm I right to say
that Chris Dorman had no criminal contact for

1019
01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:51.319
at least the last thirteen years.
Yeah, Chad Dorman, he twenty ten.

1020
01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:57.600
I believe he had a domestic violence
charge against his father. That charge

1021
01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:00.199
was dropped though, no conviction there, and we went through his criminal history

1022
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:02.960
and aside from that, you know, traffic offenses. That was about it.

1023
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:08.279
So if you hear someone here's a
man on who I'm on paper,

1024
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:11.800
you know, doesn't look like a
bad person. And he went he worked.

1025
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:14.640
I don't want to give out the
name of the company. That's terrible

1026
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:18.479
advertisement. But didn't he have like
a regular job? Uh? Yeah,

1027
01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:23.000
I you know, a little unclear
on that. There's been some conflicting,

1028
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:26.119
you know, stories of what he
did. Um. I heard he was

1029
01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:30.520
basically handyman carpentry is one of the
stories. But I wasn't able to really

1030
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:32.840
get that confirmed. And you've been
at this probably know more about that than

1031
01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:34.720
I do. Yeah, I thought, I don't want to mention the name

1032
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:38.600
of the business. It's not the
best problem. I don't blame you,

1033
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:45.439
um, as far as your career
and television when you look back on it,

1034
01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:48.720
hopefully ten or fifteen, twenty years
from now, isn't this one of

1035
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:54.840
those things? So I kind of
spoke to Brian Hamrick about this something you

1036
01:19:54.920 --> 01:20:00.520
just can't you can't forget and can't
put down. So this is and down

1037
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:03.039
the worst story I've ever covered.
I can tell you when we first pulled

1038
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:06.399
up to that scene, it was
the day after Friday morning. The one

1039
01:20:06.439 --> 01:20:11.920
thing that struck me there was this
little kid's bicycle just laying there in the

1040
01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:15.199
lawn, laying there on the lawn, and I just I can't get that

1041
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:19.680
image out of my head. Probably
who knows, just hours before this happened,

1042
01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:25.640
the kid might have been riding that
bicycle. The family that the friends

1043
01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:29.439
in the neighborhood, So those kids
were always outside. They love the outdoors,

1044
01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:32.000
they love fishing, they love baseball, and they just love running their

1045
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:35.960
bikes. They love running. So
here you just have this tire swing in

1046
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:41.840
the front yard in one location,
and you have this bicycle playing there in

1047
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:45.119
another location, and you just have
to think those boys will never get to

1048
01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:49.000
play on those toys ever. Again. It's so difficult being out there,

1049
01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:51.960
and my heart goes out to the
first responders, the dispatchers of firefighters,

1050
01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:57.359
the police officers, because I can't
imagine what they're going through having to have

1051
01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:01.279
actually been the first responders on a
scene like this. And Karen Johnson and

1052
01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:05.239
News five. I talked to Matt
Alder about it. He's head of the

1053
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:11.319
union the firefighters and CPD and I'm
sorry since I have fire department, and

1054
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:16.880
he talks about you can't unsee certain
things that the worst cases are children that

1055
01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:23.479
are brutalized by their loved ones.
And you can't unsee a dead three year

1056
01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:30.159
old shot you dead. You just
can't unsee that they barely live a life.

1057
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:34.079
They're innocent, they have they did
nothing wrong, and evil just took

1058
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:41.079
them away from everyone. Have you
heard about religious ideations that that God told

1059
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:44.560
him to do it? I went
over this or James Bogan, you know

1060
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:48.960
a message from God to kill innocent
children, a messvil a message that my

1061
01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:54.680
angels have got to fly. And
I talked with him about whether that works

1062
01:21:55.000 --> 01:22:00.439
on an n GRII and generally it
doesn't. And I can't concede eva this

1063
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:05.680
case being tried before a jury because
you don't want twelve jurors and Claremont County

1064
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:10.880
to get their hands on and Chad
Dorman, you want three judge panel.

1065
01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:15.680
And I would anticipate that Mark TOOKLVA
the county Prosecutor's gonna later this week and

1066
01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:19.840
died under the death penalty, which
means you can choose a three judge panel

1067
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:25.479
or jurors. And most of us
on this side of the table thinks this

1068
01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:29.520
is the kind of case you have
to try to three judges because juris just

1069
01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:34.800
don't understand completely. And maybe a
psychiatric argument on legal grounds under the McNaughton

1070
01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:39.600
standard or right from wrong and that
kind of stuff. There might be one

1071
01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:43.920
of the three judges that say,
well, the guy was guy was insane.

1072
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:47.359
Yeah, I agree, I don't
see how this could be a jury

1073
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:50.920
trial when it gets to that point. If it gets to that point,

1074
01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:55.279
there's just there's no way. I
mean, if you look at all the

1075
01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:59.640
comments, there's you know, every
time you cover some kind of murderer homicide

1076
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:03.039
is a little bit of sympathy or
the other side. In this case,

1077
01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:10.279
you haven't seen anyone defending him in
any way, shape or form, whatsoever.

1078
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.880
Criminal defense team is going to have
to be given all the money necessary

1079
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:17.359
to mount a strong defense because by
the time this thing goes through the appellate

1080
01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:21.840
process that can take ten to twenty
years, everyone's going to scrutinize everything about

1081
01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:26.279
the case. So you have to
provide this is going to cause Claremont County

1082
01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:31.960
upwards of a million dollars or more
to defend Chad Dorman. Because so often

1083
01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:36.920
on appeal these things are reversed based
upon ineffective assistance of counsel. And the

1084
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:40.720
first thing the lawyers will say,
there's got to be at least two or

1085
01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:45.079
three is we didn't have the money
to hire the right psychiatric team, didn't

1086
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:47.800
have the money to hire the right
investigators, didn't have the amount of money

1087
01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:51.960
to talk about the jerry pool and
the kinds of people that would sit on

1088
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:56.600
the jury. And so Claremont County
has got to get ready to spend a

1089
01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.920
million dollars or more to defend Chad
Doorman. And I think the good citizens

1090
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:05.119
of Claremont County can't figure that out. When a similar event took place in

1091
01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:12.840
February, the murder suicide of Teresa
Cain, she left a man, his

1092
01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:15.560
son, another relative dead, at
least in that case, she killed herself.

1093
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:20.079
And these were adults. But nobody
can understand to look at the pictures

1094
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:25.600
you've put out of a three,
four, and seven year old come up

1095
01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:29.560
with any reasonable basis to kill them
in the manner they were murdered. And

1096
01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:31.479
then when he chased down the one
that got out, I would assume it

1097
01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:35.960
was the seven year old who went
into the field. Mentally, his mind

1098
01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:40.960
was working to go chase that person
down, to pick him up, I'm

1099
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:45.319
sure, kicking and screaming and bringing
him back to the leaving room to kill

1100
01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:48.239
him in front of the dead bodies
of his brothers. Those are all cognitive

1101
01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:51.439
acts, and so I think Claremont
County has got to get ready to number

1102
01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:56.520
one for a change of venue,
which probably would up be granted Number two.

1103
01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:00.920
A multimillion dollar defense. The taxpayer
have got to pay for Chad Dorman.

1104
01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.720
But also you had some reporting on
Kristin Bennett. Can you talk about

1105
01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:11.119
the new Richmond Youth Sports what they're
doing. Oh, they have really done

1106
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.600
so much. Wednesday, the night
before this happened, the four year old

1107
01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:20.880
or seven year old played their final
games and obviously all those kids traumatized people.

1108
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:25.079
You know, coaches never did a
million years. I think that would

1109
01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:29.079
be their last game. They have
really come together. They had brought people

1110
01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:33.319
together. Last weekend they have canceled
some of the games. They've been raising

1111
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:39.199
money for the family. And next
weekend, next Sunday evening, they're going

1112
01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:44.319
to have another vigil or service for
the first responders as a thank you to

1113
01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:46.560
them for what they did. But
they've really stepped up to the plate,

1114
01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:50.920
so to speak, to really help
this family, as has so many people

1115
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:55.439
in the community. Last I checked
yesterday between the two bold funding sites,

1116
01:25:55.479 --> 01:25:59.399
the ones that we betted from the
sister and the friends almost two hundred thousand

1117
01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:02.680
dollars right for the family. So
there's been so many people, you know,

1118
01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:05.079
through all these tragedies, that's what
you see. You see the good

1119
01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:09.720
people coming together, railing around the
family, given their private giving them the

1120
01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:13.199
privacy, but also helping them in
any way they can, because you know,

1121
01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:15.319
it's the mom here. She was
a stay at home mom. From

1122
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:17.039
what I understand, she became a
stay at home mom when the three year

1123
01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:21.359
old was born to the last three
year was the provider. So she has

1124
01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:27.359
a long road ahead of her.
So I just think the community has been

1125
01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:31.000
wonderful. Now, Karen Johnson,
I can't imagine the funerals of these three

1126
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:38.119
boys with mom. I can't imagine
the heartache. It's insufferable. I can't

1127
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:42.239
imagine what mom is going through.
Once again, we'll be watching tonight Karen

1128
01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:45.000
Johnson and News five. Thank you
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

1129
01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:47.760
Thank you, Thank you, Billy
you have do take care. God bless

1130
01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:54.279
you. Let's continue unspeakable evil.
I know God exists because evil is at

1131
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:59.520
work in Monroe Township. Let's continue
with more. Bill Cunningham, News Radio

1132
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:08.960
seven is here to commit to work
with the governor and the delegation to make

1133
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:13.159
sure that we get this fixed quick
fast as well too. This is the

1134
01:27:13.239 --> 01:27:16.279
president that is committed to infracturter Yeah. And then on top of that,

1135
01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:26.600
the Jewel, a kind of a
uh law of the ins in fresh Bill

1136
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:29.840
then is going to make sure that
there's gonna be bridges all across like this,

1137
01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:38.479
all across the America getting rebuilt.
Hello, hello, hello client,

1138
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:45.279
I'm broadcasting Rock. You have a
choice. Is that is that Senator Diane

1139
01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:51.439
Feinstein, Joe Biden or John Fetterman
leader? Because I pulled the clip.

1140
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:59.560
Yeah, so we wouldn't need leadership. Two of our best leaders standing right

1141
01:27:59.680 --> 01:28:02.520
next next to each other there,
two together came laying it all out,

1142
01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:08.880
put it on. They don't at
least und iq among the tree. And

1143
01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:12.920
what if, I hate to say, what if there was a Republican president

1144
01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:18.920
with Biden's mental acuity and a prominent
US senator like Diane Feinstein or John Fetterman,

1145
01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:21.479
what would the media be doing with
that, killing him, breaking him

1146
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:28.399
to the coals, unfit trust the
science. Hundreds of doctors have declared them

1147
01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:33.319
mentally ill ill. Let's have more
experts testify speaking mentally ill not youth.

1148
01:28:33.399 --> 01:28:39.800
Segment I had on a couple hours
ago James Bogan, criminal defense attorney who

1149
01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:45.000
does the work of egg murders,
not guilty by reasons n gri He says

1150
01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:48.840
he's got to come up with something, right. Yeah, Number one,

1151
01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:55.079
the proof that he is not us
saying is that he did not kill the

1152
01:28:55.159 --> 01:29:00.359
two witnesses who's the mother, his
wife and the stepdaughter, and that he

1153
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:04.359
didn't flee the scene. Therefore,
a mentally fit person would have killed the

1154
01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:10.199
witnesses in addition to the three boys
and left the scene. So the fact

1155
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:14.000
that he stayed is evidence of mental
illness. Do you buy that one?

1156
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:17.399
No, he explained this to me
because I've never understood this. Okay,

1157
01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:21.439
whether he's mentally ill or not insane
not, it still doesn't detract from what

1158
01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:26.319
he did. So why would that
be a factor in what his sentence would

1159
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:30.000
be for this maybe the most unbelievable
crime I've ever seen. As segment knows,

1160
01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:34.720
many states have guilty but insane?
Right or would you factually commit at

1161
01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:39.680
the offense but you're not legally responsible
for it? But you're going to go

1162
01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:43.880
to prison until you're restored to sanity, and then once you're restored to sanity

1163
01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:46.800
in the mental hospital, then you
start serving to someone explain how you do

1164
01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:50.680
that and then get thank you store
to sanity, Thank you Rock. Come

1165
01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:58.239
on this show, Ohio has n
gri notis insanity. That means if you

1166
01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:01.039
can prove that at the time of
the fence it didn't comport himself with the

1167
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:06.479
standards of the insanity law, or
he can't stand trial because he's mentally ill

1168
01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:12.439
presently, then you and as he
did, so why should his punishment be

1169
01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.920
less? You got to talk to
the lawmakers. You were one at one

1170
01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:20.560
point. Joe Dieters. Joe Dieters. Wait, just as Joe is gone,

1171
01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:25.600
he's he's up in the up the
higharch. He would feel the same

1172
01:30:25.640 --> 01:30:28.600
way about this as I. He's
got a smoking jacket on, he's got

1173
01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:30.560
a pipe cigarette holder. You know
what, we had to start calling Melissa

1174
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:35.079
Powers instead of Joe anymore. I
would expect prosecutors to act like prosecutors that

1175
01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:39.199
Joe called him quick. There you
go, quick one. But I'm telling

1176
01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:43.640
you now that when this case is
and God will lose their mind more so

1177
01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:48.600
than that that woman that killed those
people in the which was the car on

1178
01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:54.840
what was it? Oh? God? Oh South Carolina went into the water?

1179
01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:59.720
Yes, killed the two boys right
well? Hit And if he's found

1180
01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:01.760
not killed him by reason, I'm
insanity. He goes to a mental hospital.

1181
01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:06.000
Then when he restored to sanity,
he's released. Is that what you

1182
01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:11.800
want? Oh? Because there's no
personal responsibility as a part of the he's

1183
01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:15.359
mentally elder there. The fact that
it didn't doesn't matter reasonably means he's insane.

1184
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:19.359
A reasonable person would have killed the
witnesses and left the scene. That's

1185
01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:24.720
a good argument, but he still
committed that he should pay for That's what

1186
01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:28.479
a just society. Would you buy
it? I'd have to think about it,

1187
01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:30.840
because, after all, you'll always
ask gus, what about you taking

1188
01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:35.000
to the top of a building,
just just toss it's time? He would

1189
01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:41.199
anybody object to that? Some lawyer
out there would saying you can't take away

1190
01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:44.960
his lawyer, his rights, his
rights. What about the rights those three

1191
01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:48.039
boys? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Well we'll see what I've ever heard

1192
01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:51.560
of. Karen Johnson has covered everything
bad in the world. She said,

1193
01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:55.920
this is the way. Can you
imagine the first responders going to the scene,

1194
01:31:56.079 --> 01:32:01.479
Oh, those men and women need. You can't unsee something. I

1195
01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:05.840
don't know how they're gonna honor them
this Sunday at six o'clock New Richmond,

1196
01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:09.760
and they should be honored. But
the idea, and how about the mother

1197
01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:15.800
bearing her three children? Can imagine
segment, give me some sports and try

1198
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:18.840
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How wasn't a Lance I was talking about?

1206
01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:58.680
Yes, Votto comes back, the
cameras is gonna be all screwed up?

1207
01:32:59.199 --> 01:33:01.359
Voto was. He's a thing of
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1208
01:33:01.439 --> 01:33:11.920
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1209
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I mean, how do you argue with

1210
01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:20.680
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1211
01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:26.760
know what he's talking about. Uh, It's Zoo night at the ballpark tonight.

1212
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:30.760
Willie Lanzily joined the zoo animals as
they meet and greed fans in the

1213
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:33.800
fan zone at five forty five to
six fifteen. And during the first inning

1214
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:39.279
some of those animals are going to
be in a pregame parade around the warning

1215
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:45.760
track at six thirty. Geta and
say, get Tucker the whole family out

1216
01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:50.399
there about leading those boys? Oh
man, So yeah, would you do

1217
01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:54.960
that? Would you get? Lead
them? By the negative? Would you

1218
01:33:55.079 --> 01:33:59.039
rather be in a submersible? At
the bottom of the video of this hippo

1219
01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:01.760
and where was somewhere in Africa And
there's like a boat with a motor on

1220
01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:06.239
it and it's going down this river
and this hippo is chasing the bat.

1221
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:12.279
Yeah, it's like that boy can
move. If Fritzy wanted to go one

1222
01:34:12.359 --> 01:34:15.119
direction, nobody could stop him.
No, I'm going this way, will

1223
01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:19.359
go ahead, get a hot dog? Also, William golf News, Well,

1224
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:25.600
there's friends, right, now there's
Fritz two Cincinnati area golf courses.

1225
01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:31.840
Recently among golf we fifteen private golf
courses in the Buckeye State, not the

1226
01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:36.920
Friendly Confines of the Kenwood country Club, Camargo Club ranted number two. I've

1227
01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:41.680
shot sixty on the list there by
the way, six mirror field of a

1228
01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:45.920
number one in the state of Ohio, seventy five the cold Stream, I've

1229
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:50.279
shot sixty one, number fifteen in
the state. Not on that list Avon

1230
01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:56.039
Fields, the Friendly Confines right down
the street from us. And also that's

1231
01:34:56.079 --> 01:35:01.560
Tony Tulusiac's fault co owned by Dale
Donovan and mar Shearer. Macatee Wah Country

1232
01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:06.960
Club. What thank you? What? Where's that at Von Hill? Aren't

1233
01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:12.399
you remember there? Right here?
Oh? Marty Brennaman in Amanda ars Swung

1234
01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:14.720
Golf Club was last week? Though
I don't know. I mean, but

1235
01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:17.239
the proof is into pudding. Shall
we say? It takes five years to

1236
01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:24.840
join Kenwood country Clubs. Get four
o'clock today, That's all I can say.

1237
01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:28.720
Some people rank country Club out to
be ranked. It's the it's the

1238
01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:32.279
home of the Kroger Classic, presented
by P and G. By the way,

1239
01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:39.399
someone's son is hospitalized. Herb Street
is hospitalized at Ohio State. What

1240
01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:42.079
do you know about that? What? What? That's what I'm saying?

1241
01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:45.439
What Kirk has It's no, not
Kirk's son hit the wire out of Columbus.

1242
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:48.880
I monitor all events simultaneously and I
see that though, and it's not

1243
01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:53.760
Chase. So that say X,
you gotta you gotta chase that. You

1244
01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:57.720
gotta look at you gotta see what's
going on, because uh, no one

1245
01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:01.279
is saying anything. Got this pot
event I'm doing with him on Saturday.

1246
01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:03.840
Check it out next, I'm gonna
check this out, check it out,

1247
01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:09.119
see what's going on? Who else
is there with you can't say can't say

1248
01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:15.920
no. Luke myself didn't he didn't
he raise He raised money for Deer Park

1249
01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:16.880
too. I asked him about that. He said, you can't remember.

1250
01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:21.760
Dear like dear Field, dear playing
Deer Park, dear zoo is. Of

1251
01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:26.560
course Zach curb Street has been hospitalized. So I want you to check it

1252
01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:28.520
out. The best to him,
We wish him the best. Oh my

1253
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:32.800
god. I like Kirk curb Street
despite the protestations of Rocky Boyman. I

1254
01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:38.800
love him and Lee Corso on College. It's the best, best I wouldn't

1255
01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:42.399
mention it, but it's a headline
of the inquirer. Him buck eyes,

1256
01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:45.119
tight end, zach herb Strad hospitalized
to see what's going on? Got check

1257
01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:49.079
it out? Um, back to
this for real quick. In your opinion,

1258
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:53.560
what are what are the two qualities
that make a golf course great?

1259
01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:56.720
What do you have for him?
To have greens? You gotta be really

1260
01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:59.880
good greens and architecture. In other
words, is it a golf course you

1261
01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:02.920
have to balls right to left,
left to right? Does it have good

1262
01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:06.439
party challenging? Challenging? You got
to challenge every aspect of your game.

1263
01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:10.439
Do you have knockdown shots? Do
you have shots? You got to spin

1264
01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:14.920
the ball. It's the sand in
great shape. Many times you got a

1265
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:17.760
sixty five yards shot and you have
options the bump and run. Yeah,

1266
01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:21.319
the Saint Andrew shot. You have
options of the gap wedge to take it

1267
01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:26.039
to the hole. Out of people, you got the sixty degree wedge.

1268
01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:29.119
I've made a sixty three degree wedge. You can spin the ball up by

1269
01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:32.199
the hole and suck it near the
cup. So it depends on the greens,

1270
01:37:32.520 --> 01:37:35.520
the contours of the golf course.
To spin the archtop, you've been

1271
01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:41.840
out to Harrison at the Great Circling
Hills golf Course. H huh, we

1272
01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:46.720
mean it was he just read Circling
Hills and Harrison Circling What has a couple

1273
01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:50.479
of miles from my house? Circling
Hills. Yeah, Circling Hills. Why

1274
01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:54.239
don't you go out there for once? Yeah? Yeah, I'm scared of

1275
01:37:54.319 --> 01:38:01.199
playing that course rock than the third
hole. The people have got to decide

1276
01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:05.640
in our club has the longest wait
period and the most money to join of

1277
01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:10.560
any club in the Midwest. Period. That's five years to get in and

1278
01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:13.920
one hundred thousand dollars put the money
up front. Well, let's know when

1279
01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:16.560
you can play. Now, who
else does that? Do you have to

1280
01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:20.560
pay for the round of golf?
Now pay having paid one hundred grams,

1281
01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:26.319
you get free than the cart and
the hot dogs and the Bahama Mama mamas.

1282
01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:30.960
I like Bahama Mama mammas. Yes, spicy. So if I wanted

1283
01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.079
to join it would I would?
I couldn't get in for five years.

1284
01:38:33.199 --> 01:38:38.760
Met unless your name is Kirk Hurbstreet, then you get in immediately. Or

1285
01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:41.560
Joe Burrow. How long did you
have to wait? About two and a

1286
01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:45.279
half years. But that was back
back in the Oh yeah, yeah,

1287
01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:48.560
it got to a point where you
could just pay the money and get in.

1288
01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:53.840
But now it's something different. You
got to go through the tribunal,

1289
01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:58.560
unless you're Kirk Hurbstreet getting getting right
away elitis or Joe Burrow there getting right

1290
01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:02.560
away. Otherwise, get in line, your peng underlings, get in line,

1291
01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:10.760
know your role and shut your mouth. Wow wow, And Kroger wannabes

1292
01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:15.439
get in line. What's your name, Rodney? What mcmahlin. Get in

1293
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:18.439
line, rod We call you a
hot rod. Say give me some more

1294
01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:23.880
sports make Barrett Barret, you're out
of wait, John, I'm sorry,

1295
01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:32.479
Bill pomp Evans, not Jim Evans
or Dug Evans Evans herb straight Burrow and

1296
01:39:33.159 --> 01:39:38.159
come come this way, but pay
the money up front. I thought they

1297
01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:43.800
had monthly payments. No, oh, you write the check right then,

1298
01:39:43.960 --> 01:39:47.640
right there on my desk, right
there, open up the briefcase layer right

1299
01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:50.800
there. Dan, did you just
lay the green salad of Salve Ancient on

1300
01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:55.640
him? In like I think Piles. I think it was tens of cash.

1301
01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:57.880
What much money it was? It
like ten or twelve thousand? I

1302
01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.439
think? What does maintenance of a
golf course like that costing six million dollars

1303
01:40:02.039 --> 01:40:06.399
thirty six holds just to pay all
the people pass and put it all at

1304
01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:14.039
six mill and don't ask, don't
tell Rock. That's all I'm saying.

1305
01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:17.279
You've already said too much. We
have. We have a producer coming and

1306
01:40:17.359 --> 01:40:21.760
whose name is Stone. He'll be
known as Little Rock from this point for

1307
01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:26.479
Stone and Rocky. And by the
way, I threw that name by my

1308
01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:30.159
wife is one of the names of
our children. And she said that's not

1309
01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:35.039
gonna work. Where I like that
name. I say, a great name.

1310
01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:39.600
Let's a country singer, yeah,
or maybe a criminal with tattoos one

1311
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:42.239
or the other. Well, I'll
say this. Women goersional arm wrestler.

1312
01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:46.119
He can't do it now, Kenny, No, But women go through so

1313
01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:51.079
much in their lives to have babies. Feeling better, feel better? Still

1314
01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:55.479
doesn't look are they down to cash
shoe sides? They're still beach balls.

1315
01:40:56.920 --> 01:41:01.600
Circumference is uny And you did it
for your a woman didn't. That's exactly

1316
01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:06.119
every day by every man, I
tell. I told Penny on Sunday,

1317
01:41:06.199 --> 01:41:12.079
there's two days a year I get
my birthday and Father's Day. Other than

1318
01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:15.680
that, the other three sixty three
is yours. I get two that didn't

1319
01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:19.720
work either. I didn't even get
that one. No, you still paid

1320
01:41:19.800 --> 01:41:23.359
for dinner, right, absolutely,
okay, get to do what you wanted

1321
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:29.039
to do to the dinner buffet of
the KCC seven hundred dollars. But what

1322
01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:30.640
you do buy for the whole place? No, I was just you paid

1323
01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:35.119
the hundred friends that included anything.
Wow, you'll pay and you'll like it.

1324
01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:41.000
I know your role and shut your
can I stop by the next next

1325
01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:46.119
Father's Day and check Christmas even or
Christmas Eve buffet a thousand dollars. By

1326
01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:50.479
the way, last time I was
at KC, I was had to meet

1327
01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:56.520
someone there for lunch. Can't say
who. J I walked in to have

1328
01:41:56.680 --> 01:42:00.680
dropping me hard nuts, walked in
without a collar shirt. Didn't go over

1329
01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:04.680
well, I'm sorry, sir.
You must go down the shop with a

1330
01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:08.359
mega death like, hey, sir, we can bring you a shirt and

1331
01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:12.199
I'm like, no shirt, No, sorry, we can bring you one.

1332
01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:17.079
What's his crime? We what's his
crime? Shirt? Ninety five dollars?

1333
01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:19.840
Or do you just say put it
on Cunningham's tab. That's what I

1334
01:42:19.880 --> 01:42:25.880
should have done. Cross that.
I'm sorry. When did they get a

1335
01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:28.600
large an extra large shirt here.
What what was that? Oh? He

1336
01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:30.119
had a guy come in to bring
one up. Put him on the tab,

1337
01:42:30.800 --> 01:42:34.760
bring one up. I'm getting texts
from my boys at Kenwood. Boy

1338
01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:39.960
all I'm hearing his preach, preach, that's all. I'm hearing his preach.

1339
01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:44.359
All. What's on the big show
today? If anything, we got

1340
01:42:44.399 --> 01:42:46.680
your girlfriend Tanya Rourke right out of
the gate. I'm tired of her,

1341
01:42:47.279 --> 01:42:56.119
sired of her. Okay, well, I'm Karen Johnson now now going to

1342
01:42:56.279 --> 01:43:00.119
Channel five. Huh five stands for
news um and then let's see we are

1343
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:05.399
at ABC R Yeah, three thirty
five. An update on the submarine contraction

1344
01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:10.199
thing. What being like a billionaire
and saying, you know what, I'm

1345
01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:13.600
gonna get this thing. They made
it out of used pipes, takes like

1346
01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:16.800
seventeen bolts the locker from the outside, and they have like, you know,

1347
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:23.439
pump some air in that thing.
That's you any amount of money ground

1348
01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:27.960
because of pressure after their first two
to three hundred feet have forty hours of

1349
01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:31.399
air left. Is with the latest
calculation, I hope they had the implosion

1350
01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:35.560
deal, in which case you're dead
within a mini second. You're just thirty

1351
01:43:35.600 --> 01:43:40.640
two hundred pounds of pressure where they
were at going to six thousand eaten by

1352
01:43:40.760 --> 01:43:45.279
krill. You'll be remains will be
eaten by the other fifteen hundred souls at

1353
01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:48.920
the bottom of the ocean. Sounds
exciting for today. Don't want to exactly,

1354
01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:55.319
don't want to be in the Claremont
County guy and submarine guys. You

1355
01:43:55.359 --> 01:43:58.640
wouldn't find this guy not guilty,
which you would have to you'd have to

1356
01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:00.920
do some work on us one to
throw them off the top of a tall

1357
01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:04.159
building. One of the perspective jurors
that I'll take rope with me every day

1358
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:09.479
to the jury bucks, take some
rope man segment, Get me out of

1359
01:44:09.479 --> 01:44:13.119
the Stege report, William and her
of those red legs making it ten in

1360
01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:16.840
a row tonight unbeatable. But Lance
mcgallaster is wrong once again. Who will

1361
01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:21.319
be the hero battos on the Shall
we say the d h tonight? We

1362
01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:28.880
leave you with the immortal words of
the stew report. Thank you, We're

1363
01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:31.680
welcome said, Let's have a lot
of spots to read Rocky, thank you,

1364
01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:34.920
thank you segment. Thank you,
Yes, sir, Let's continue with

1365
01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:40.880
more. We never stop. We
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1366
01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:48.600
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