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Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your
host, Cliff Dunning. Oh boy,

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here we are back in the driver's
seat and ready for another episode of Destiny.

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And this one is kind of dear
to my heart. It has to

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do with anxiety. And as a
young person growing up in high school,

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I had a lot of anxiety.
I was just nervous, had an upset

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stomach, had a nervous stomach.
And when I got into college it didn't

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go away, and I was on
all kinds of and acids and stomach issues,

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and I even had anti anxiety medicines
for a couple, I want to

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say, a year, and they
didn't do anything for me, maybe feel

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numb. And I eventually grew out
of it and I wasn't so anxious anymore.

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My son inherited my anxiety and he
was on aderall for a couple of

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years. And then at the time
my wife is like, no, he's

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got to get off of this.
He's just numb and he's having other problems.

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And that's the solution that we deal
with today when we have anxiety,

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and a lot of us have anxiety. We're anxious, be it at work,

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be it at home, in relationships, just not knowing what to expect

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in life can cause anxiety new situations, and it's as well here today.

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It's part of a fight or flight
reflex that is innate in our physiology,

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and we don't want to get rid
of it completely. We just want to

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be able to understand it better.
We want to be able to control it.

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And for me, one of the
solutions is calming the mind at least

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once a day through a meditative practice. For some people that can be actually

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meditating for twenty minutes or longer.
Some Zen practices are an hour or more.

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I can't do an hour. I
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the other practices are yoga or tai
chi or exercising and clearing the body of

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cortisol or the stress and being able
to react better. This is a big

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one right now. We don't get
out enough, we don't exercise enough,

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and we tend to cover up our
anxiety with a beer, two alcohol,

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cannabis. I know people that are
anxious and they use cannabis to calm themselves.

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That's really not a good solution.
I mean, I love using cannabis

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for various issues, but if you're
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the solution, It really isn't.
One of the other things is like overwhelming

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the mind through TV, you know, just you know, patches patching our

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anxiety with television. That's not good. That's not good at all. So

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I have to say this about our
program today. There's a great deal of

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solutions that our guest provides, things
that I wasn't aware of. And here

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I am former program director for one
of the largest wellness conferences in the country,

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known as Whole Life. So it's
you know, it was an eye

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opener for me. But the thing
about anxiety is that if you're not using

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the technique that are offered today,
if you're simply masking your anxiety by avoiding

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situations, that's not that's not the
way to do it. And I'm I'm

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guilty of that myself. Rather than
get into situations that are causing anxiety,

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I tend to avoid them. And
you know, it's that can be easily

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done. But then you're then you're
sheltered. Then you're uh, you're ostracized,

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you're lonely, you're not going and
doing the things, you're not being

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social. We are social creatures.
I'm really guilty of this. I you

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know, I have a team that
is spread around the country, actually around

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the world. I have people in
England that we work with, and so

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it's easy to just sit here in
my studio and just say, hey,

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I don't need to go out and
be social. But that's not the way

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to to to interact. And again, we're social beings. We need to

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be interacting. I know I feel
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interacting with people, meaning new individuals. That can be anxiety feeling, feeling

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kind of situations though, But a
little anxiety is good. A lot of

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anxiety is not good. If you're
anxious all the time, it is not

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a good thing, and you need
to have it looked at if you can,

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and I talk about this all the
time. Try to find somebody who

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can understand holistic wellness and who can
work with you, either a therapist,

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a coach, a meditative teacher,
somebody who can give you holistic advice so

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you don't have to take these adder
all these nerves suppressing or anxiety suppressing drugs,

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because they just create havoc. They
create havoc for your metabolism, they

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create havoc for your nervous system and
it's not something to be avoided. As

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I mentioned in the very beginning of
this program, anxiety is part of the

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fight or flight trigger that we all
have innately. It's part of who we

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are. It goes back to our
hunter gatherer days where we had to fight

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off dinosaurs. You know, here
comes a t rex. Get the hell

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out of the way, run baby, run, you know, or confront

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that sucker with your team and use
your spears and put that baby down.

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I can't imagine trying to put down
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how big they are, they're monsters. Man, I'd get the hell out

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of there. You run, baby, run. But anyhow, that's the

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fight or flight reflex I'm talking about, which is what anxiety is all about.

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So today's program is Anxiety to Empowerment, and my guest is Amanda Huggins.

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I hope you enjoy the program.
Oh my god, what we live

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with today in our world is a
lot of stress and pressure and performance issues

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no matter what you're talking about,
and that brings up anxiety talk today.

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Our focus today is anxiety. We
have a new author that we're introducing and

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I've dealt with anxiety off and on
a number of years. And thankfully,

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when I was a younger person,
I discovered meditation, which we'll talk about

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a little bit later. But my
guest today has written a book called Anxiety

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to Empowerment, Exercises and Meditations to
Stop Stressing and Start Engaging. Very cool

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title, and we're going to talk
about how anxiety can creep up into your

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life, how you typically avoid it
if you're somebody who wants to address it

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immediately. Sometimes you'll go to a
doctor, an all a path and remember

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people all they have in their bag
of tricks is medicine, surgery and that's

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about it, or radiation if you
have cancer. Let me tell you about

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my guest today. Amanda Huggins is
a anxiety and mindful coach, certified yoga

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instructor, podcast host, author,
speaker, and besides presenting online courses,

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Amanda offers guidance on her podcast,
which is used to be Anxiety Talks with

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Amanda will Learn to Talk. She
just told me with the new title as

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I forgot it. But she does
personal counseling and she does webinars, and

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I gotta tell you, I didn't
read the whole book. I read enough

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of it. It's a good parlay
into this topic of anxiety. So Amanda,

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Welcome to Destiny. Great to see
you. Thanks so much for having

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me. Gliff, I'm so excited. Hey, let's talk about you because

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you opened the book a little bit
on your personal anxiety. Was what was

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triggering your anxiety and what was the
key factors for wanting to write this book?

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That's a great starter question. Oh
watch wat y'all. I know,

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no, this is what I like. Get right to it, so you

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know, I can answer that in
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which would be what's causing most people's
anxiety. It's some level of disconnection from

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themselves. But when we get down
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I was in a period, and
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brief history first, which is prior
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and all this wonderful stuff. Now, my previous career was in tech and

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in startups, so my work mind
was very much in the achiever energy,

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right, So I was always reaching
for the next raise, next promotion,

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the next move, and I was
good at what I did, so that

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achiever in me got scratched. But
achievement without fulfillment ultimately winds up creating anxiety.

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So there was a lot of like
who am I? What am I?

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Am? I on purpose? What
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In the career aspect, And then
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there was just deep, deep self
worth wounds that needed to be healed.

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In my romantic relationships, you know, friendship, familial relationships. Most importantly,

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like my relationship with myself. I
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I wasn't listening to my feelings.
I wasn't connected to my intuition.

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And you know, all of it
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because in hindsight, it led me
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sort of kind of I piece meal
together healing for myself because I do have

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that part of my brain that I'm
a virgo too, So I love logic

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and steps and organization, and I
thrive with some structure. And yet I

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felt this deeply spiritual, emotional,
intuitive kind of bug start to turn on

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within me, and so I'd read
spiritual texts. I was starting to dive

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into yoga teacher training, and that
really resonated and then I would read self

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help books and they would have all
of these great mindset techniques that also really

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resonated, but when it came time
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window. Yeah exactly, you know. Yeah, And that's what I mean

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when I say I kind of piecemealed
healing together. Was I was like,

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I know that this stuff works,
both the spiritual, energetic, esoteric and

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the tactical. That I have an
anxious brain and I need to figure out

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how to get my brain and body
to actually not just understand the concepts,

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but to practice and create healing so
that me peacemealing my own healing together wound

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up becoming the programming that I used
to serve my clients. And you know,

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after about a year or two,
I was like, I should probably

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write this down, you know,
I think I think people might wanna they

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might find it helpful. Talk about
could you talk about this in the very

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beginning before you were enlightened, let's
just say, to how to working naturally

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with anxiety? Were you taking any
drugs? Were you did you have a

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prescription for medication? And if so, what did your doctor say to you

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about your anxiety? Because they're doing
the best they can. I mean,

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I have doctors in my family,
but they just are just so they just

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don't get it, you know.
I I'm friends with, I have people

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very close to me within the medical
community. I will say that people close

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to me, I have an understanding
of the holistic side too. But when

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it came to like my early stage
doctors, first of all, no one,

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no one talked about anxiety as a
kid. No one talked about it

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when I was in college, and
even after college. It was in the

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media a little bit, but it
was always that like quirky, weird character

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who just like was a little stressed
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wasn't Uh it was hard to find
representation for what was actually happening because everyone's

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experiencing it and we're all really good
at masking. Uh. So when I

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had first gone to a doctor,
I was living in LA and there was

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there was no conversation and this is
one experience, right, but it was

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I sat down. I remember I
was somewhere in West LA. We talked

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for about five minutes. They said, are you depressed? I said,

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I don't think so. Okay,
here's some xanax VNIX. Yeah, that's

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one of the big ones. Yeah, and I'll save you the long story.

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But I basically had that same experience
with two other doctors specific to anxiety,

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and then when ADHD came in,
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prescriptions and every single time, I
feel like, you know, when I

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was younger and before I'd gotten into
this work, I had like a lot

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of hope. I placed a lot
of stock and like, maybe maybe this

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pill will be the thing that makes
me feel better. Yeah, but like

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anything in life, there is no
one pill that makes you feel better.

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In my experience was anything that I
was prescribed would knock something else out of

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balance. So sure I might not
be feeling anxious, but I'm really not

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feeling anything. Yeah, you're like
totally numb, right, Yeah. I

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felt more like a zombie than anything
else. And this was also while I

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was going through my first, uh
maybe my second yoga teacher training, and

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that's it's such a physically, emotionally
and spiritually demanding experience and I'm sitting there

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like, huh, nothing's really,
nothing's really going through, you know,

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because you were like shut off to
the sensitis. Yeah, so that's funny

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you mentioned that that's typical when you
go to an allopath, they don't have

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time for you to do a real
in depth history. Maybe your childhood you

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had anxiety, you had depression perhaps, and so Xanax and these other mood

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altering drugs were prescribed, and what
was the period where you're like, this

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is not doing it for me.
You know, it's funny because you're talking

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about yoga, becoming a yoga teacher, where you're really not only holding these

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very important poses that trigger all kinds
of hormonal releases and things like that.

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Your body probably fought against those drugs. So talk about your translate a transition

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from the prescribed medications to awakening.
I mean kind of an inner heeler.

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You know. There is one very
specific day, and I'll be honest with

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you. I had changed jobs,
right, so I was still I was

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probably like twenty five or six,
I want to say, yeah, And

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I had just changed jobs, jumped
to a different startup, and my health

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insurance hadn't kicked in yet and it
wasn't going to kick in for two months.

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And I was like, oh,
you know what, I'm not going

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to be able to renew these prescriptions
and I only have a couple of pills

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left. It was like three of
xanax and I think I had I don't

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know, probably under ten little adderall
pills. And I just was like,

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I why am I waiting until this
is done? For me to be done

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with it? And I flushed everything
and just remember it because I was like

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what am I doing? There was
no like drama to it, you know.

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It wasn't like in the movies,
like oh, it's all going away.

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It was just like a very clear
but simple yeah, I'm done.

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I like, if I'm going to
try to feel better, let's like really

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try from the inside out and if
that doesn't work, we'll figure something else

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out. But why not give holistic
mind, body, soul healing a fair

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shot first? Yeah, I mean
you're intuitively picking up this vibe that I'm

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feeling good about stretching, I'm feeling
good about becoming a teacher. I don't

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know if you were doing meditation at
that time, but that's all kicking in

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and dumping the drugs and getting into
more of a holistic lifestyle, right.

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Yeah. Yeah, It's just like
anything that once something is no longer in

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alignment, you either naturally allow the
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gives you something to knock that thing
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like mine was probably more of the
former. Yeah, where it's just it

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didn't make sense anymore for me.
Talk a little bit about anxiety in general.

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What is an anxiety in your definition
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when we're talking about it in our
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my friend is so anxious, I
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physical manifestation of emotional unrest. And
I say almost always because anxiety is still

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a somatic experience, right. So
you know my last apartment that I lived

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in when I was in New York
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clam, but there was construction above
and below me, and my nervous system

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was a wreck. So I was
in physical anxiety, but there was no

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emotional attachment outside of the discomfort from
like, God, these noises, because

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it's a fight or flight response.
But the anxiety that most of us are

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actually dealing with, that's not just
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this moment. It's psychosocial. So
we say we're anxious to describe all of

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the things we're feeling that we haven't
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So, for example, if you
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trying to meet someone new experiences,
Oh well, if that person hasn't

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responded to me, or you know, at this great time and I haven't

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really heard anything, and now I'm
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person responds to you or not.
It's not about if they ask you on

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a second date. That anxiety you're
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your connection to your own self.
Wark it's do I know, no matter

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what happened, that I am love
worthy and whole. Right, when we're

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talking about, you know, financial
anxiety comes up, and yes, there's

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something really tangible there for folks,
but often it's the energy of fear or

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the energy of scarcity that's presentent in
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bank account. So, and I'm
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anxiety, but I also say,
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What emotions do you feel most often
that you don't like and that's where we

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start usually, right, how about
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powerless, stressful at work? I
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anxiety that we fall into, especially
in our culture, where it's almost like

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performance issues. You know, not
just relationships, but at work. You

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talked about your work environment and and
socially, it can really catch up big

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time. I'm looking at performance as
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have expectations. Talk a little bit
about expectations, you know, the second

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you started talking about performance and you
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hopped on too, I don't think
we can talk about performance anxiety without talking

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about non judgment or you know,
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the whole thing with performance anxiety is
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it right. We're a fear of
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out in some way, failing.
We're not actually afraid of the failure.

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We're afraid of how we'll feel in
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feel after we've messed up. And
the reason we're afraid of that feeling is

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because most of us don't know how
to practice self compassion right when we fail

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or we feel we haven't done well
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those who struggle with performance anxiety is
going to the judgment say well, you

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could have done this better, you
should have done that, and we beat

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ourselves up. That's what we're actually
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energetic level. So if we want
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but if we really just want to
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solve for it? It's practicing deep, deep compassion. Now, if we

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put this in the context of a
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struggled to practice compassion with themselves because
it had somethen modeled to them as a

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child, because they haven't had relationships
where they've seen healthy expressions of self compassion.

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So when we look at like,
how does that work in a one

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on one session, what I'm often
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well, what happened in the past
that is created a narrative in both mind,

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body and all mind, body and
soul that you can't it's not safe

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to be compassionate, it's not safe
to comfort yourself when you've failed. So

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you have to like look at and
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of that stuff without rolling in it, without getting stuck in it. And

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it's the healing, the processing,
the feeling of the past stuff that makes

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it so much more safe to actually
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moment. Does that makes sense?
Yeah, I'm just wondering. You know,

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you're this anxiety I call you the
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anxiety, what's a natural reaction to
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problem, And how do we define
when we can't deal with the situation and

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it turns into anxiety Because I think
life, interactions, relationships, just living

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is going to have situations where you
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and take. I think at some
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that's where the problem is. Yes, yeah, So my general approach is

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we start with the body, we
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the mind. So if we're just
having like, yeah, life created anxiety,

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right, you're in a job or
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has started to come up, that's
where we first I mean, no,

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matter what, we're always going to
start with the body, right, understanding

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what your physical anxiety symptoms are,
so that we can figure out how to

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spot, treat and how to I
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we're doing is or nourishing the nervous
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is a piece of the compassion work
too, is being present enough with yourself

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to recognize, hey, I'm just
regulated. Let me figure out what I

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need to do to bring myself back
to some level of center. But with

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thematic anxiety, right, this theme
has come at my whole life, I

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can't escape it. That's really where
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soul, looking at the core wound, doing some of that healing, and

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then this working with the mind.
That third step is about really starting to

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train our mind to think differently,
to reprogram our thoughts, to create a

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new belief system. And the reason
that I really feel mind work has to

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be last is because most you know, neural reprogramming or mental training approaches,

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you know, they talk about this. I don't think it's clear enough.

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It wasn't clear to me in the
books that I had read. In order

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for your brain to really believe.
To have new thoughts, positive thoughts about

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yourself reprogrammed, you have to have
the feeling attached to it, right.

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So there's no use in sitting and
saying I'm not anxious. I don't feel

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anxious. Life is great if you
don't feel that is true. So we

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start with the body, We tune
into the soul to get a felt sense

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of what's possible, and then we
come back in with actually starting to reprogram

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the mind so that the work you're
doing solidifies, rather than you're kind of

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just grasping its straws and trying a
few things. Yeah that makes sense,

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Yeah it does. I'm just trying
to for our listeners who may have had

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anxiety as children and how they dealt
with it. You're talking about a natural

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reflex, and we're going to talk
about the techniques you offer. There's a

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couple in here that are brilliant and
I think are part of a natural response

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to anxiety. But when we have
parents who don't understand, who are also

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dealing with anxiety, that's where we
get into the medications. But let's transition

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real quickly. You talk about breathing. I want to get into some of

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the healing techniques, and it seems
like you talk about the the autonomic nervous

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system and the vegas nerve, which
is really a key. It's funny because

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I haven't been to my yoga class
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a yoga teacher who's very big on
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help the body respond naturally to anxiety. So talk about the importance of some

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of the techniques. Let's get into
the breathing. How breathing can trigger a

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downstep from an anxiety situation. Yeah, So, just to put some language

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to the vagus nerve, it is
a nerve that connects into your heart and

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it's when it's triggered, it releases
a tranquilizing substance onto the heart that asks

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the heart to calm down basically.
And so we trigger the vagus nerve with

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different types of stimulation. It can
be you know, weights, tapping,

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but the most successible for most people
is through breathing and through deep, long

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tuned in axhalations. You know.
So when people are looking for a quick

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anxiety solve, I always say there
is no quick anxiety solve if you're looking

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to heal a pattern. But in
terms of you know, immediate or near

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immediate relief. And I know it's
the most annoying thing to say, like,

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oh, take a deep breath,
but it is true. It is

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so true. It's really where we've
got to start. And you know,

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for a lot of my clients who
can't just you know, midday, leave

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their office or leave a meeting they're
in and go meditate, we need to

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find solutions that help them to self
regulate while they're still at their desk or

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their kids are in the backseat or
what have you. So my favorite,

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because it's easy to remember, favorite
technique is square breathing. Because there are

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four sides of a square, there
are four counts to the breath. That's

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all you need to remember. Four
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square breathing, we inhale for four
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seconds, we exhale for four seconds, and then we hold empty for four

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And the reason we want to hold
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bottom of that exhale, it's what's
allowing the body. We're really the vegus

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nerve to release vegust off onto the
heart. It's really that's the whole goal

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when we're starting to feel anxious is
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because the heart sends more messages to
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body. So when the heart is
beating out of anxiety, it sends a

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million messages to the brain. Hey, something's wrong. Let's go freak out.

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Let's go think about the ten million
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if we can get the heart under
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not looking for perfection here, but
the more we can practice slowing the heart

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rate down, the higher probability we
have of reducing the negative signals the heart

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is sending to the brain. And
if we can make our headspace two percent

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clearer, ten percent more clear,
we're really really increasing our ability to not

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go into any anxiety spin We're going
to keep ourselves a little bit more on

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the logical end of a thought process
rather than you know, jumping into the

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metaphorical swimming pool of anxious thoughts.
Right, if you're in a spin cycle,

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it's like one thought, then another, then another, and after a

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while you're kind of living and a
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Yeah, I want to talk real
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and how anxiety is part of that. So we don't want to get

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rid of anxiety. We want to
work with it. We want to incorporate

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it because it's useful. Yeah,
and we won't get into that because that

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will take a whole show to get
into how to use anxiety in a positive

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mode. But I think we're talking
about it by mitigating the intensity real quickly.

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Talk about what you call this spin
cycle of it, or the anxiety

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loop that builds and builds and builds
and builds, and has to do with

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observation, sensation, thought. You
have like six different emotion and reaction,

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reaction and so forth, and how
those can overwhelm a person. Yeah,

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you're really not able to function.
You're so overtaken by these anxieties, these

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fear and flight when a flight response
that they are, they're just too much.

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So talk a bit about that and
then we're going to move into some

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your wonderful healing techniques. Yeah.
So the anxiety spin cycle is just what

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I call that place that almost all
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one thought becomes a runaway train that
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your self worth. So you're you
know, let's talk about performance anxiety.

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say that I did a good job
on my presentation. Yeah, oh my

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god, no one did. Oh
does everyone think that I'm bad at my

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job? I am bad at my
job. I'm that at everything. I

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can't stand myself? Why why do
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major loop, right, And you
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but and sometimes it does happen in
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but it's most often this slow creep
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I'm doing this as a visual.
It's like we pull out of connection with

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ourselves because all of a sudden we're
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I'll try to make this as easy
to follow as possible for listeners.

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I will say there's a full diagram
and then an entire chapter to break down

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in my book of the anxiety spin
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right, So we observe something a
thought, a text, the lack

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of a text, or email,
a tone in someone's voice when they speak

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to us. An observation is a
neutral event, right, so it's not

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good or bad. But once our
brain receives the information that we've observed based

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on your history, it will file
that information as safe or unsafe. Okay,

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we got to go back and figure
out what are the things that cause our

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brain to file this experience as unsafe. But I'll try to say on track

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here, so we observe that,
and that creates a thought. So,

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oh huh, maybe Linda's mad at
me that thought or excuse me. That

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creates a sensation. First, So
when our brain receives information that's unsafe,

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the heart starts to speed up.
Right, this is when we go into

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fight or fight. And now that
our heart is telling the brain and the

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rest of the body, hey,
we're hyperactive. We start to create thoughts

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and the thought can be oh,
I'm bad at my job. A thought

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ultimately will turn into an emotion if
it's left unchecked. So I'm bad at

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my job becomes I'm a bad person, and I'm making a couple jumps here

408
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just for the sake of this example. When we're in that emotion, I

409
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feel bad about myself, you know, lower self worth, maybe I'm not

410
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:53.039
good at anything. We then often
react from that place. So for one

411
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:57.960
person, their reactivity might be,
hey, Linda, why didn't you tell

412
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.880
me I did a good job.
Or it might be they do receive praise

413
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.320
and they push it away. It's
like, no, I'm not good at

414
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anything. You don't have to say
that. So what winds up happening is

415
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when we're in that state of reactivity, we wind up retriggering ourselves because then

416
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our mind is now attuned to look
for anything that's in alignment with that anxious

417
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feeling. So we wind up just
retriggering and kind of like re emphasizing the

418
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same wound, whether it's self worth
or scarcity or what have you. So

419
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in my book, we talk about
the two main places that you have the

420
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best chance of breaking the cycle,
and then a couple of skills to basically

421
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practice continuing to be mindful of that
cycle when it comes up. You can't

422
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.639
eradicate it forever. Right, This
is how our minds work. But we're

423
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:54.719
just trying to help ourselves to eliminate
or reduce a pattern. Really, I

424
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want to get into before we get
into the healing, because you have a

425
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:05.639
huge of the book talks about healing
technique. Some of the problems associated with

426
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:14.079
anxiety are sleep disruption, which is
a huge one. We're going to take

427
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a short commercial break to allow our
sponsors to identify themselves, and we will

428
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:25.159
return shortly with my guest today,
Amanda Huggins, discussing her latest book,

429
00:38:27.039 --> 00:39:15.639
Anxiety to Empowerment. We'll be right
back. My guest today is Amanda Huggins.

430
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:22.360
She is a anxiety therapist who has
written a book called Anxiety to Empowerment,

431
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:30.079
Exercises and meditations to stop stressing and
start engaging. So we're learning techniques

432
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:38.880
for reducing anxiety. It's funny because
you suggest in your book that if you're

433
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having anxiety consistently, think about naps, think about meditation. And it's so

434
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:52.119
funny. I'm not anxious for the
most part, but I still do do

435
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.000
like a half an hour nap at
three o'clock every day. It's just so

436
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.679
busy. I work for myself,
I have my own business. But it's

437
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:07.400
really helpful to consider rest breaks.
Talk a little bit about the importance of

438
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:15.800
sleep in anxiety. Yeah, I
actually want to start with rest breaks really,

439
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:22.840
because you know, great sleep is
what we're mapping towards. Maps would

440
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:28.119
also be a great thing to map
towards too. Yeah. I also know

441
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:34.639
for folks who don't have the luxury
of being able to take a nap because

442
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.920
they have kids, or they're working
multiple jobs, or their body just won't

443
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:45.599
let them sleep. The ground level
that we want to start with is any

444
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:50.920
form of deep rest so your eyes
can be open, and it doesn't have

445
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:57.400
to be meditation spoiler alert. If
you're breathing and relaxed, it is meditation

446
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:04.440
at least from my perspective. But
it's this idea of finding pockets of time

447
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:10.800
where you can really just practice,
whether it's full body muscle relaxation or a

448
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:19.800
grounding visual so sitting feeling for a
grounding cord, imagining a grounding cord from

449
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.559
your root chakra grow down. Really, you can even just I'm looking out

450
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:29.360
my window right now, finding ten
minutes to not have your phone, to

451
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.519
sit in the grass, have your
feet touched some dirt. All of these

452
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:39.000
things are forms of rest. And
if you can only get two minutes today

453
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:46.239
and one minute tomorrow and ten minutes
on Friday. Let that be enough to

454
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start, Because I think the thing
with anxious folks not I think I know,

455
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.880
is there tends to be this all
or nothing mentality. Right If I

456
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.239
can't get a thirty minute nap in
why bother resting? If I can't get

457
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:04.719
a full night of sleep and I
haven't in years, why while they're trying

458
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.360
to shift anything. And when we're
talking about like almost yeah it is,

459
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:16.039
it's it's like a seemingly noble way
of giving up, right, It's like,

460
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:21.280
well, I just got to keep
going, well, like like sacrificing

461
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:27.280
in kind like yeah, wow,
yeah, yeah, So you know,

462
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.320
I could harp on this for a
million years. But find the time wherever

463
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:35.159
you can find it, even if
it's sitting on the toilet and closing your

464
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:38.119
eyes and breathing. And that's the
only place I have. I have clients

465
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:42.960
who are moms, and it's like
that is the only time someone's not literally

466
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.000
tugging at them. So it's like, turn the shower on, turn some

467
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:51.679
music on, mommy's taking her shower, and for five extra minutes you're just

468
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.199
going to sit and breathe, and
no one's going to die and everyone's going

469
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:59.760
to be fine and you're all going
to be all the more better. Or

470
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.440
if you can just take a little
bit of eyes closed or open, breathing,

471
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.039
grounding time, that's it. What
winds up happening is it feels good,

472
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:14.199
and like anything that feels good,
you start to find more time for

473
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.559
it. But is there is there
a release of I don't know, I

474
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:25.159
don't know if it's serotonin or something. Is there a release of healing hormones

475
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:32.280
or talk about these short minutes of
taking a break and why what what do

476
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:37.679
you think is happening? Yes?
Okay, So if we're talking, if

477
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:44.559
we want to use like the most
standard language, I guess when we're talking

478
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:49.079
about rest, what we're doing is
if you just imagine, I use this

479
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.480
visual with a lot of clients,
close your eyes and you imagine your cortisol

480
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:58.119
levels or your stress levels on a
dial right or on a you know,

481
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:04.599
like a temperature thing, right,
and if you're at a ninety eight practice

482
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.159
whatever it is, you're going to
do the five minutes of rest, the

483
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:14.639
ten minute walk outside and then tune
back into that visual dial of your cortisol

484
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:20.800
level and see where it's at now. Their visualization of their cortisol levels is

485
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:25.320
not going to be a direct like, oh, I lowered my cortisol by

486
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.679
X percent. I genuinely don't care
about numbers. I care about how someone

487
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:37.239
feels and understanding. So making that
visual connection of when I am resting,

488
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.960
when I am grounding, when I
am recharging, I'm lowering my cortisol levels,

489
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.920
if we can put a visual to
that to just help them along,

490
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:52.519
that's great. When we're talking about
deep sleep though, or just sleep in

491
00:44:52.639 --> 00:45:00.159
general, there's the part of our
brain that's responsible for regulating anxiety, our

492
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:07.679
medial prefrontal cortex, if it recharges
essentially or replenishes overnight when we have a

493
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:14.039
certain amount of deep sleep. When
we don't get deep sleep, and when

494
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:19.079
I'm saying deep sleep without putting language
to it, so non dream sleep.

495
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.119
Yeah, if we don't have and
it's about it's only about an hour to

496
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:28.159
two hours of deep sleep we need
each night unbroken, we're locked in.

497
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But if we don't get that,
that part of our brain that's responsible for

498
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:38.159
regulating anxiety essentially doesn't get to recharge. So the next morning, when you're

499
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:45.599
already feeling anxious, you're sort of
one foot below or below ground level because

500
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.360
you're waking up with anxiety and the
part of your brain that's supposed to help

501
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:58.440
you with it isn't online now.
So when we're talking about working towards great

502
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:05.480
sleep night, we are also talking
about how do I reduce dream based sleep.

503
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:09.000
And this is where for a lot
of folks, medication really interferes because

504
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.840
we have all of these medications that
can spike really crazy dreams, and then

505
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:20.760
you're active while you're sleeping and you
wake up not feeling refreshed really, and

506
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:25.760
that's something I wasn't taking any drugs. So that's a reaction to the drugs,

507
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:31.639
is having weird dreams. You know, everyone's experience is different. I've

508
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.440
certainly experienced that with things like Xanax
and a couple of other ones prescribed sleep

509
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:43.760
medications. I mean, I have
clients who don't take melotonin because it makes

510
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:49.239
them have crazy dreams. I really
think that it's just the way the subconscious.

511
00:46:50.679 --> 00:47:00.239
Let me rephrase that. I feel
like there's a certain activation and that

512
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:06.920
happens with someone subconscious and the drugs
that they're taking that either pokes into some

513
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:13.360
stuff that needs to be exercised in
a dream or maybe not, but that's

514
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.880
kind of what I think. Right. So when we're taking something and it's

515
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:22.000
it's all of a sudden, we're
having these crazy dreams. Uh. I

516
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.400
I do a lot of dream work
as a side of my work I'm doing,

517
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:29.800
I mean, going to try to
pull myself back a little bit.

518
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:32.639
I mean they're saying, now that
you know a healthy lifestyle seven hours of

519
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:36.400
sleep, some people can't sleep like
I might. Well, I have a

520
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.159
brother who only sleeps like four or
five hours a night, and his wife

521
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.920
goes crazy because he wakes up in
the middle of the night and that's but

522
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.480
that's healthy for him. Yeah,
we a degree, So the seven hours

523
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.840
doesn't really work for everybody. But
in the situation you're talking about as someone

524
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:59.119
who's had a day filled with anxiety, who's working to get over the anxiety

525
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:05.719
or the anxious feelings, they need
to have deep rest exactly, feel the

526
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.119
mind, body, and the spirit
exactly. And I just as like a

527
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:14.239
quick, well, what can I
do if that's me for your listeners is

528
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:20.559
I'd say two things. One is, as best you can try to pull

529
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.679
away from the perfectionist mindset of like
I have to get the best sleep tonight

530
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:29.599
because that almost is going to guarantee
you won't because there's that attachment. Right.

531
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:36.440
But then in terms of the tangible
practice full body relaxation scans, progressive

532
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:42.559
body relaxation, there are I mean
thousands of free meditations like that on YouTube

533
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:50.199
Spotify. Any sort of meditation that
drops you into your body and then allows

534
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.480
your body to relax is a great
place to start. And then it really

535
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:58.760
is just like anything else, it's
hygiene, so it's continued practice. So

536
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.840
so your suggests and this is great
because I think I read this in your

537
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:13.440
book Discovering, Learning and practicing a
meditative technique is going to be a way

538
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:23.159
to reduce the anxious episodes? Or
is it just something that heals the physical,

539
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:29.960
mental, and spiritual side of our
existence. Well, when we're talking

540
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.360
about sleep specifically, it's a little
bit of both, right, So we

541
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:39.840
need that physical healing. Our brain
needs to recharge overnight, so ideally some

542
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:46.400
deep sleep will work to solve for
that. But the practice of a progressive

543
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:51.000
body scan is more of an integrat
of mind, body, and soul,

544
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:57.960
because in order to do any sort
of meditation, relaxation exercise, you have

545
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:02.199
to tune into yourself, right,
So that continued practice, it starts to

546
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:10.000
work that muscle of connection to self. The only kind of meditation that I

547
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:15.719
really tell people to avoid before bed
is anything that's very active, so like

548
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:24.000
a manifestation or a very intense meditation
that's going to bring other parts of your

549
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:30.599
psyche online. Like we're trying to
calm everything down. Get the book Anxiety

550
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:35.480
to Empowerment. She's got a lot
of great meditations in there. I want

551
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.360
to bring up one more thing and
then I want to get into some of

552
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:43.880
the healing you bring up. You
talk about this in a chapter. It's

553
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.320
called masking anxiety, and this is
something I think a lot of people do,

554
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:53.440
which is drinking alcohol, watching or
binge watching TV. So you're just

555
00:50:53.559 --> 00:51:00.199
like, or my one of my
big issues is like to talk scrolling for

556
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:07.119
our YEP. And I am so
addicted to TikTok right now because some people

557
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:14.400
are really really good producers and they're
producing animals talking and they're talking. They

558
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:20.119
got people singing together, and it's
like it's like, you know, Andy

559
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:24.079
Warhol is fifteen Minutes of fame is
everywhere, Yes, And so I'm like,

560
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:34.679
I'm just like entranced with these little
episodes that can go hours and hours

561
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:38.599
and hours. But you make a
very very big point. If you are

562
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:45.719
dealing with profound anxiety, you've had
an anxious day, you need to turn

563
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:52.760
off the stimulation and alcohol masks it. Talk about this and what you need

564
00:51:52.840 --> 00:52:00.840
to be cognizant of anxiety of what
you call anxiety of Yeah, yeah,

565
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:06.360
I mean that's funny you bring up
TikTok. I was just talking to a

566
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:10.039
client about that earlier. So I'll
just I'll probably repeat a little bit of

567
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:16.519
my last call, which was I
genuinely believe everything is just a tool.

568
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:22.760
Everything is neutral or most things.
I have some strong opinions about certain things,

569
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:28.159
but when we're talking about most things
we used to mask, you know,

570
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:32.639
alcohol substances, scrolling, TV,
binge, eating, all of these

571
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:39.960
things are just tools. What we're
really talking about is our relationship to the

572
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:45.679
tool and what it's doing for us. So we don't have the mind doesn't

573
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:52.760
do anything if there isn't a payoff, right, So when we're scrolling,

574
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:57.119
there is a payoff, right,
there's a dopamine hit or honestly, and

575
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.079
there's studies that have come out about
Instagram and TikTok, the way they set

576
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:07.000
up their algorithm, the way they
push notifications by either withholding likes or withholding

577
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:12.400
comments. You keep checking, right, there is there's a chemical addition that

578
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.280
winds up happening. But we go
to these things because there's some payoff.

579
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:20.440
Eventually we get the dopamine or we
get the laugh and the same thing when

580
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:25.159
we're eating, right, we get
this feeling of satisfaction, but never full

581
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:30.239
satisfaction if we're binge eating, or
it's just one more episode or whatever.

582
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:37.079
So we have to ask ourselves the
question, what is my relationship to the

583
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:43.719
tool and what am I running from? So another way of saying that is

584
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:49.519
what am I avoiding feeling? What
am I not equipped to look at yet?

585
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.559
Because sometimes that's the case for people. It's not that we're actively in

586
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:58.320
emotional avoidance, it's I don't have
the resources. I don't know how to

587
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:04.800
fix that thing that I'm feeling,
you know. So let's let's take someone

588
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.599
who's scrolling on TikTok, since that's
what we're talking about, and I do

589
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:15.519
it too. I know I can
feel it in my body when I'm scrolling

590
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:21.280
for enjoyment, for laughs, for
education, versus when I'm scrolling because I

591
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:25.880
do not want to do something,
or because there's there's maybe an unnameable kind

592
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.119
of unrest happening within me, a
little bit of anxiety, a little bit

593
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:35.079
of discomfort, and that's a good
in air quotes place to put my energy.

594
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:38.880
So again, when we come back
to this overall format of start with

595
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:43.320
the body, tune into the soul, work with the mind. When we're

596
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.960
avoiding, when we're in a you
know, an attachment or an addiction based

597
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:52.440
habit, what we really want to
ask for ourselves is yes, yes,

598
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:57.960
yes, what am I running from? But what's going on within me in

599
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:00.440
this moment? What am I feeling? Right? So? How is my

600
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:02.880
heart? How is the rest of
my body? Am I feeling tight?

601
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.440
Am I feeling tense? Am I
breathing? And if we can come back

602
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:13.079
to our body while we're scrolling,
it'say, oh wait, I've been actually

603
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.039
on my phone for a really long
time. Let me take a couple of

604
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:20.679
rats here. Why am I doing
this? What is? You know?

605
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.360
My favorite simple question to ask is
what's really going on with me right now?

606
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:27.199
And if we can just ask that, what's really going on with me

607
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:31.079
right now? Sometimes the answer is
not that deep. Sometimes it's I overstepped

608
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:34.679
a boundary. I'm up past my
bed time. I need to go to

609
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.199
bed. But then, great,
you have the answer and you have a

610
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.880
next step. If we don't pause, tune in, and then ask ourselves

611
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:45.920
that question, that's where we really
go into the avoidance of something bigger.

612
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:51.639
I like that a lot. It's
like why am I masking? Why am

613
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:58.599
I watching three four hours of TV? Why am I on TikTok for you

614
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:06.280
know, it's past midnight, I'm
still scrolling those are That's a great question.

615
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:16.360
Let's get into perhaps the anxiety issue
coming up and what you call relief,

616
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:22.039
how to begin using relief? Now
we talked about yoga. Talk a

617
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:27.119
little more about yoga, but you
also offer things like eft tapping, which

618
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.920
is also a good one. But
what are you suggesting to your clients who

619
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:37.599
have real anxiety issues that are you
know, not just a little discomfort,

620
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:44.679
that are you know, become real
manifestations of problems. Yeah, so I'd

621
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:49.280
love that you use the word relief
because that's been that's been a theme for

622
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:53.280
the past week or so with a
couple of folks. I don't know if

623
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:58.559
if you're familiar with like Abraham Ester
Hicks, and their teachings. But there's

624
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:04.840
oh yeah, channel relief is the
cure. That that's one of my favorite

625
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:08.960
things that's come through is relief is
the cure. And obviously they're speaking at

626
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:15.840
a very high level, which I
adore. That's a piece of what got

627
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:22.519
me into the esoteric and the logical
component of it. But just thinking about

628
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:28.760
relief for someone who's experiencing chronic anxiety
isn't going to work, right. It

629
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:36.159
is the work of practicing the feelings
of relief in the body that ultimately allow

630
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:42.360
the space for you to actually work
with your thoughts or to change direction and

631
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:46.039
career, or to go find a
new partner or whatever the thing is that

632
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:51.519
you're working on. So when we
talk about what does that actually mean to

633
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.559
practice the feelings of relief in the
body, another way of looking at that

634
00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:01.960
is practicing the feelings of safety,
justiceing the feelings of comfort in the body.

635
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:08.719
So this really does become an iterative
process based on someone's upbringing their traumas

636
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.400
their life experiences. You know,
I have a couple of clients who,

637
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.519
you know, I would say probably
have experienced more soft trauma, right,

638
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.800
things that happened throughout the course of
their lives that made them fearful or resistant

639
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:28.960
to certain things. With softer trauma, they tend to be able to drop

640
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:32.440
into feelings of self comfort, of
safety, of relief a little bit more

641
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:39.119
quickly because those with hard trauma have
you know a lot of memory and emotion

642
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:44.840
and thought patterns that have been locked
into the body. So, you know,

643
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:47.280
I wish there was like a very
quick way of answering like how does

644
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.599
that type of person get to a
state of relief? But it really is

645
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:58.920
through a series of different types of
practices. There is this nurturing of the

646
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:04.639
nervous system, but then there is
you know, talk therapy, counseling,

647
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.199
There has to be some sort of
processing component, and then there is the

648
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:15.360
rewriting of patterns in someone's mind.
So that's like the holistic path forward,

649
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:21.880
but it does become so situational when
when we're really like looking at just an

650
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:27.280
individual life story. So my book, and this is like a piece of

651
00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:30.320
the intention behind my book is I
want to and if I could, I

652
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:36.639
would work with every single person that
wants to work with me because I love

653
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:44.840
this stuff. But because that's physically
not possible, my book offers some starting

654
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.599
ground, especially for someone who might
not yet be able to, you know,

655
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.519
afford to go to therapy, afford
to work with a coach, and

656
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:57.079
maybe they have a self help book
that didn't work because it's not connecting in

657
00:59:57.199 --> 01:00:01.039
some way, or the spiritual books
are too hard to really comprehend, or

658
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:07.480
they don't resonate. This is at
least a starting point, especially if there's

659
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:15.079
some harder trauma that's been really really
challenged by or I should say is I

660
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:20.599
don't want to phrase this harder trauma
that challenges or elicits more anxiety. Does

661
01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:28.199
that make sense? Yeah? And
somebody who has had childhood unresolved childhood trauma

662
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:38.920
probably has taken it into adulthood and
it's become overwhelming at some point, you

663
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:45.639
know. I mean that's where a
therapist has to come in. But your

664
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:50.320
book offers a great deal of possibilities, which is fantastic. And the other

665
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:52.800
thing about your book that you mentioned
in the very beginning is you can sit

666
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:59.039
down in part of a day and
read it from cover to cover and really

667
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:00.599
get a lot out of it,
which I really like because some of these

668
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:05.599
books are like four hundred pages and
it's like, oh my god, when

669
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:10.920
is it in you know I need
help, now, help me, So

670
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:17.400
talk a little more about some relief
you have EFT in here, and you

671
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:23.719
actually have a diagram where these are
these trigger points. My brother used to

672
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:30.239
be a teacher of ef T and
he taught a lot of people how to

673
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:36.119
use it as and I don't remember
for anxiety, but I'm sure anxiety was

674
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:40.559
one of the major areas that were
triggered through certain actions. So talk a

675
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:45.199
little bit about why you feel ef
T is a great tool. Yeah,

676
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:52.880
So ef T, I would say, I put EFT into a larger bubble,

677
01:01:52.039 --> 01:02:00.960
which is active anxiety processing or active
nervous system regulation. So for someone

678
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:07.360
who's highly highly triggered, or for
some reason it doesn't feel safe for them

679
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:12.119
to sit still, meditation might not
be the answer, right. What would

680
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:16.239
actually be needed is to bring movement
or life force into the body to help

681
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:22.440
break up some of that anxious energy. You know, for some woman,

682
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.559
I have them dancing or stumping or
what have you. And that's amazing when

683
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:30.360
it's in the comfort of your living
room or your bedroom and you can really

684
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:36.400
like shake out some feeling. But
what happens when you're at a party and

685
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.920
you're feeling anxious or your grocery shopping
and there's a lot of people around and

686
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:45.599
feeling a little bit of roophobic or
what have you. So TOPPING to me

687
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:52.599
is just a really lovely effective,
non attention drawing tool that you can use

688
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:58.360
to help you feel one to five
percent better, very very quickly. This

689
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:04.639
was mentioned real quickly. That stands
for Emotional freedom technique, which is that's

690
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:10.079
the whole design behind it is to
release these anxiety trigger points, so forth

691
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:14.400
and so on. So EFT is
really a great tool, I would think,

692
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:17.800
isn't it. Yeah, it's fantastic. I mean the tool that I

693
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:23.159
tell everyone to at least try,
because not everything's going to work for everyone.

694
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:29.159
Yeah, but I haven't met someone
who doesn't like this one, which

695
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:32.519
is the most simple EFT tapping point. It's your you know, I say,

696
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:37.079
my girl scout fingers, but it's
your pointer and your index finger and

697
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:42.639
you tap your thimus right so the
center of your breast phone and you just

698
01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:47.440
breathe very deeply. And the reason
this type of tapping and this particular pressure

699
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:52.519
point I'm doing it right now for
those on video. The reason it's effective

700
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:59.320
is because that light vibration of your
hand hitting the bone is helping to trigger

701
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:02.519
the vegas, which releases a substance
that asks your heart to calm down.

702
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:06.440
So for me, this is just
so nondescript. I could be playing with

703
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:11.199
my necklace. Most people are so
in their own heads they're not going to

704
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:15.519
notice that you're doing this. But
it winds up being a really lovely somatic

705
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:20.440
release, and if you pair your
breath with it, you will help your

706
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:27.519
body calm down. The book's called
Anxiety to Empowerment. My guess has been

707
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:35.000
Amanda Huggins. As we close.
We talked earlier about the fight or flight

708
01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:45.440
reflex that is part of our homo
sapien sapient mechanism, our physiology. It

709
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:50.079
seems like anxiety is just part of
the whole makeup. Is natural. We

710
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:58.360
shouldn't well never get rid of it. It's part of our humanity. Would

711
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:02.199
you say that being aware of it
is a good thing? Would you say

712
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:09.480
that people who are experiencing overwhelming anxiety
just need to pay attention more? What

713
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:14.880
are some final thoughts on working with
anxiety? Because we can, we'll never

714
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:17.239
get rid of it. It's part
of who we are, and I don't

715
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:23.280
want you to get rid of it. That actually raises your chances of dying

716
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.880
sooner, you know, because all
of a sudden, your instinct for when

717
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:29.239
I'm crossing the street, Wait,
did I just hear a car beat at

718
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:31.360
me? Yeah? If that makes
instincts gone, you're gone. You know.

719
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:38.800
I don't want that. What I
want for everyone is to practice a

720
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:43.760
deep reframing of anxiety, so it
is a part of you, and you

721
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.920
can either avoid it and keep it
in the shadow where you can embrace it.

722
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:50.760
Dare I say even as a friend, right, Because the way most

723
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:54.559
of us think about anxiety, we're
shaming it, We're keeping it in a

724
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:57.639
corner. It's a part that we
don't like. But if it's a part

725
01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:01.000
of you, it's worth learning to
understand. It's certainly worth learning to love,

726
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:03.760
because when we love something, when
we bring it into the light,

727
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:09.239
that's when the healing occurs. So
if you can just start to shift the

728
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:14.320
perspective a little bit, say hey, I am not bad for feeling anxious.

729
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:18.079
My anxiety isn't bad. It's actually
trying to keep me safe. What

730
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:21.679
I really am trying to understand,
and I want to understand it like a

731
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:26.440
friend, Like I'm having a sit
down conversation with someone. What I want

732
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:31.639
to understand is how can I help
my anxiety feel more safe? How can

733
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:35.760
I train my body and my mind
as I listen to what my soul is

734
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:39.760
asking, right, if it's to
increase my self worth, if it's to

735
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:44.760
ground my body more, if I'm
following those cues, how can I do

736
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:46.239
that in a way that's going to
make me feel better? And it's through

737
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:50.559
befriending the anxiety. You're not bad
for having it, you're not alone for

738
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:58.159
having it, but you also do
not need to live with chronic psychosomatic anxiety.

739
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:00.679
Where we create store is in our
head and then we live in that

740
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.280
fear. Yeah, that's what I
don't want, just freaking out all the

741
01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:09.400
time we're flighting, flighting that.
Hey, you mentioned something I want to

742
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:14.400
just touch on real quickly, the
soul. How do we connect with You

743
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.320
have a section in your book on
the soul connection. Why is that important,

744
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:25.840
recognizing the soul? And how does
that recognition work with anxiety? Yeah,

745
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:30.559
it's And I'm realizing now we didn't
really chat about this all that much.

746
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:31.920
I know. I'm bringing it up
now because I think I know.

747
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:41.639
Yeah, So my more philosophical perspective
on anxiety is that the reason we're having

748
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:45.639
this physical manifestation of emotional unrest is
because our soul is trying to get our

749
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:50.920
attention and saying, hey, there's
something whether it's a belief system, it

750
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.079
could be a person, a line
of work, there's something in your life

751
01:07:55.280 --> 01:08:00.840
that is no longer in alignment with
who you are interest and we're bringing this

752
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:05.800
physical discomfort to get your attention.
So, you know, that physical discomfort

753
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:10.519
maybe the soul's nudge to be like, hey, you got to heal this

754
01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:14.719
because you're carrying this trauma from your
mom, from her grandma. It ends

755
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:18.600
with you. We're going to create
this sensation enough so that you recognize and

756
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:23.560
deal with it, you know.
Or it could be like, hey,

757
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:28.840
this partner of yours, y'all have
outgrown each other, and so there's a

758
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:33.159
reason you're feeling deeply uncomfortable, right. So, and I think that perspective

759
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:40.680
on anxiety. Also being spiritual can
soften it a little bit because sometimes when

760
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:44.000
one it's faced with anxiety, it's
like, well, what's the point or

761
01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:48.039
what am I tracking towards? And
this this concept of well, hey,

762
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:54.000
nothing's bad, this is just soul
signaling. It's just saying there's actually more

763
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:58.600
or better available for you. Right, So, when you're staying soul signaling,

764
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:02.159
though, are you saying that the
overseer, your higher self, whatever

765
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:08.680
you want to call it, your
soul guidance, is saying you need to

766
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.760
look at this. Now. Now, where does this come into anxiety?

767
01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:16.359
Are you saying, like a rule, somebody who's not typically anxious, if

768
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:20.760
they get a major hit of anxiety, is that something to look at,

769
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:25.680
is what you're saying. Oh,
that's a whole separate podcast episode. Uh

770
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:31.319
oh yes, yes, So I
actually don't get into this so deeply in

771
01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:34.520
this book, but in that example
you just shared, and I do think

772
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:41.079
it's important to talk about if someone's
not generally super anxious and all of a

773
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:45.479
sudden there's a wave of anxiety one
hundred percent that is and listen, it

774
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:50.359
may not be your higher self guidance
so much as it's you are picking up

775
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:56.359
on the frequency of someone else.
You could be experiencing energetic overwhelmed. Right.

776
01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:01.760
There are a lot of non physical
reasons why someone might experience a swell

777
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:08.359
of anxiety. And we're seeing this
happen more and more because this is you

778
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:12.960
know, I do think that we're
waking up more to our energetic gifts as

779
01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:17.239
a collective. So someone who describes
themselves as being empathic or sensitive and they're

780
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:23.399
always really anxious, one of the
questions I haven't ask is is this mine?

781
01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:29.199
How much anxiety are you carrying of
your own? Versus You're out in

782
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:32.159
public and there's a bunch of people
around you and you're feeling their energy.

783
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:36.800
Your mom, you know, one
hundred thousand miles away, is going through

784
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:42.359
a panic and she's not calling you, but you are energetically connected to her,

785
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.399
right, so you're feeling that,
right. I love that talk.

786
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.000
I love that energy talk. That's
another show. Yeah, it is.

787
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.840
How can people get a hold of
you? You have a website, let's

788
01:10:54.840 --> 01:11:02.039
see, it's Amanda Huggins Coaching dot
com your website, and you are on

789
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:10.439
TikTok and you are on Instagram,
And so when you're at how active are

790
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:15.720
you are you just like giving tips
talk about your practice? How can people

791
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.600
get more information if they want to
do a one on one with you?

792
01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:25.520
Yeah, so there's a way to
submit for a one on one on my

793
01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:30.319
website, but truthfully the best way
is to either send me a direct message

794
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:36.279
on Instagram and on both Instagram and
TikTok, my handle is It's Amanda Huggins

795
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:42.319
or just send me an email.
So what I really like to do when

796
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:45.279
someone reaches out is first just get
a sense for what are the needs.

797
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:50.880
Yeah, it may not be just
coaching, it might be an energy healing

798
01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:58.439
and coaching integrated session. There's so
many different options. And I also just

799
01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.960
like to have conversations with folk and
actually get to the heart of what's going

800
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:04.880
on. So please don't be shy
to say hello, and then if there's

801
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:10.239
a way conserve, we'll figure that
out along the way. Fantastic. The

802
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:16.840
book Anxiety to Empowerment Exercises and Meditations
to Stop stressing and start engaging. The

803
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:20.479
book just came out, I think
a couple of weeks ago. It's on

804
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:28.359
Amazon and wherever you get your books, and it's published by Llewellyn, who

805
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:31.960
is a great publisher. So Amanda, real pleasure, great success on this

806
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:36.119
and thanks for joining me. Thanks
so much, Cliff, it was a

807
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:46.319
pleasure. Amanda's new book is not
more than one hundred and I want to

808
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:49.960
say, what, what is it? One hundred and well, it's a

809
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:59.840
couple hundred pages, but it's really
filled with insightful practices and techniques to quickly

810
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:06.920
rid yourself of anxiety and develop a
system where you are not at the mercy

811
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:12.199
of your anxiety. And that's the
big problem is that people are helped they

812
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feel helpless. I know my son
felt helpless for a long time. He

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grew out of it. I actually
got him to start meditating and that was

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the conclusion of his anxiety. He
doesn't have the same levels of anxiety.

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He has occasional anxiety, but he
doesn't have the levels of anxiety that you

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know caused him to have to take
an assets to caused him to avoid interactions

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with people. That's the problems.
That's what you want to avoid is being

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so anxious that you don't want to
see people, you don't want to meet

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people, You want to just go
crawl up in a ball and go to

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sleep. That's not what you want
to be. You want to have a

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good life. You want to have
a active life. You want to have

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a interactive relationship with your friends,
with your loved ones. And that's what

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we're here to do. We're not
here to be hermits. So and anxiety

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can cause a lot of problems.
So here's the name of the book again,

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Anxiety to Empowerment Exercises and meditations to
stop stressing and start engaging. So

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really good suggestion, really good interview, and it was fun to talk to

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Amanda. Hey. I want to
mention the Cosmic Summit conference is coming up.

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It's June fifteenth and sixteenth. It's
going to be held in Greensboro,

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North Carolina, and I gotta tell
you they have a phenomenal lineup this year.

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We are a sponsor and if you
want more information go to cosmicsummit dot

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com forward Slash Earth Ancients they have
and we're going to be featuring many of

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these people. They have Randall Carlson, Provine Mohan, got Walter, and

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you know, the list goes on. It's really a good program. If

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you can't make it to Greensboro,
you don't have to necessarily be there in

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person. They have a wonderful streaming
program that allows you to see all these

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people and more for about one hundred
bucks for two days, fifty bucks a

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day, unheard of price. Again, check out the program cosmicsummit dot com

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01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:30.800
for Slash Earth Ancients and if you
can make it to the program do so

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it's always good to be there in
perfect person. We had George Howard,

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the producer on he's planning on feeding
everybody. It's pretty funny. You got

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breakfast every day, you got lunch
every day, and I think you're on

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your own for dinner. But that's
like what we do on some of the

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tours. We take people on tours. You get your breakfast, your lunch,

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and you have to take care of
your own dinner. So what a

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great what a great program, great
deal and check it out. Check it

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out out, take a look at
it. You can see the full eight

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01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:10.199
itinerary, see Who's who and sign
up Cosmicsummit dot com, Forward Slash Earth

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Ancients. Yeah, I want to
mention we just finished our Grand Egyptian Tour,

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but we have a brand new tour
that we have are trying out this

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year. It was designed by Mohammad
and an archaeologist in Turkey. It's our

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first ever granted Grand Turkey Tour.
It sounds kind of funny. We're gonna

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be at places like darren Kuru,
the Underground City, Cappadocia, tons of

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museums of course, the wonderful go
Beckley Tepee and we're gonna see those ten

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feet tall beans at Carahan Teppe,
which is just a few miles I think

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it's south of go Beckley Tepee.
And this is the first time we will

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be visiting this. For the full
itinerary and to join us, go to

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earth Ancients dot com forward slash Tours, look for the Turkey itinerary and check

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it out. First time we're going
to do this, and so it's going

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to be a blast, because you
know, Muhammad is noted for creating a

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VIP environment. That means the best
food, the best beverages, private bus,

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private visits, and a chance to
jump on a jumper jet from one

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side of Turkey to the next.
To see these sites. For more information

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01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:29.960
and the full itinerary, go to
earth Ancients dot com, forward slash tours,

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01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:33.760
and if you have any questions,
send me an email send it to

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earth Ancients for you at gmail dot
com. Now, the last tour of

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the year is perhaps the best for
those of us who live in America.

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This is the Sacred Temples of Mexico. It's gonna be November eighth through the

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seventeenth of this year, one week. And I gotta tell you there's a

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brand new series of unveilings we'll be
able to see. But the most important

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thing is you really get to climb
in the pyramids. We have chosen and

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found noted sites that will be able
to climb the pyramid. And the reason

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we want to climb the pyramid is
that the epicenter of these pyramids sits on

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top of a trilluric field. That's
another word for a geodesic center, a

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lay line energy point. When you
sit on top of it, on these

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01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.800
pyramids and this close your eyes for
a minute, it's like you're sitting on

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a battery. But this energy is
healing. It's proactive. You can use

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it for enhancing your thinking, wanting
to know more about the sites we're at,

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and manifesting what you want in life. These are what these pyramids were

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designed to use for. So we'll
be going to all the classics China,

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01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:59.199
ushmo Ekpalam, Mayapan, Labna,
Sail and so much more for during our

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01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:02.840
seven day visit. Come out and
join us. It's very reasonably priced and

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01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.439
we stay in Mereada, so if
you want to fly out, you can

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01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:11.399
fly to Meredith from the United States, only a few hour flight. But

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this is a site that is important
because we're understanding now that the Maya are

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very old and very very earth centric
people. They were very focused on connecting

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with the Earth and the Earth energies, and so their buildings, their pyramids,

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their temples are all aligned to the
constellations and they're plugged in. So

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this is a universal energy and we'll
be working with that energy on these tours

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November eighth through the seventeenth this year. For more information, go to Earth

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Ancients dot com, forward slash Tours
tou rs. All right, that's it

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for this program. I want to
thank my guests today, author of Anxiety

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to Empowerment, Amanda Huggins and always
a pleasure to work with Gail tor Mark

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Foster and everyone who makes this thing
happen. You guys rock all right,

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take care of me well, and
we will talk to you next time.