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Would morning and welcome to BP in
the AIA. I'm Regis Bought and I'm

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Kelly Bunyipa. We hope your morning
is nice and mysterious already. I gotta

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tell you, Kelly, I had
a couple of day unknown already this morning,

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and I have to say I feel
great. Oh, reg you much

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boy. We do have a great
spooky show for you, We sure do.

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I gotta tell you it was tough
getting here today. Traffic was a

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mess. Oh. It took forever
because they closed the outloft pass for who

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knows why? Oh no, And
I'll bet that was a Jersey devil of

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a time. He just sit in
traffic and the time slips away. Huh

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rege. Well, it's okay because
we have some great segments for you today.

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Later in the show, we have
a very old mad chef Rasputin,

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who will be showing us the recipe
for his favorite dessert, death by chocolate

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bullets, poisoned and ultimately drowning cake. Oh I hear it's to die for

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almost almost. Well, we'll see
what the boys in the GMO labs are

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cooking up for us. A nice
juicy protein recombinant beef patty smothered in low

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cow cheese made right in the lab, and some round up ready corn on

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the cob with built in handles.
I heard those cows couldn't even support their

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own body weight. You bet that's
gonna taste so great on the summer grill

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It show will, And we're gonna
check in with our gift expert Jin,

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who's got some great ideas for your
Christmas wish list. It is never too

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early to start shopping. I just
can't wait to see that. And we'll

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check in with our spring heeled health
correspondent, doctor Jack, who's going to

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talk to us about the importance of
random breast exams. Look out, he's

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checked you twice today already, he
sure has. But right now, our

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first guest needs no introduction. You've
heard about it, you've wondered about it

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briefly. Hanks and Tickets put your
hands together. Voo doo. Who do

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we're canceled? Hey, everybody,
I am David Flora and I am David

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Stack. Wait wait, I'm not
done. Okay, oh now I'm done,

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And this is blurry photos. It
was worth it, right, yep,

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sure was you? So I hope
everybody's doing Okay, got a good

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one for you. Better than okay, better than okay. M senator,

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I love your suit. I don't
know. I just that sparked that.

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Yep, yep, Stacco. What
have you been up to this week?

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Oh man, I've been into the
outdoors. Went camping. You've been into

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the outdoors? Yeah, I went
out into it. That's great, it

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was awesome. I haven't been.
I don't get to camp as much since

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I moved to Chicago as I would
like. And it's it's fun to get

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to put all your stuff in a
backpack and then that's what you have.

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Yeah, go figure. Yeah,
I would. I want to go camping

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soon. Yeah you should. We
should. Yeah, in fact, I

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might. I might try to get
something together, although if I do,

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it'll probably be all messy and last
minute and stuff, and that's what camping

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is all about. I did have
a great awkward moment when someone mentioned campfire

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stories. Yeah, and one of
the people I was camping with is Lolo

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RockA. That's that's our official designation, one of our one of our most

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ardent fans, I might add.
Nice. She was like, Dave Stacco,

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you you know campfire stories, And
I had to say like, you

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know as well as I do that
they all suck, and she's like,

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oh yeah they do. Yeah,
it was tough funding a good story.

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Yeah there, cool? And what
are you about to this week, Flora?

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I actually went to a Buddhist temple
for a ginza festival. Sweet,

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that's the uh kind of tin can
as easily as a tomato knife festival,

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right, what it was like?
Gin sue ginza? Oh my bad,

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I didn't. I'm sorry. Who
laid a tomato no? Like kinzu knives?

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Yeah, yeah, I know what
a ginsu knife is, but I

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was pretending that you went to a
festival that was all about the ginsu knife.

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Oh, I see, that's awesome. What did you see there?

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Well, I'll i'll tell you what
it was. It sounded like I was

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like, you're you're really setting me
up for I know, it better be

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good. Well in this clip,
you see they had some kindo demonstration there.

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Sweet. Uh. They had some
traditional dancing going on, and then

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my favorite taycho drumming. Wow.
I love tycho drums, but I don't

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know if I could put tycho drums
ahead of kendo demonstrations. I'm not a

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big fan of kindo because it's just
too quick for me. Yeah. I

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like a good good I like good
sword play. It's like lunch smack.

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Okay, yeah, we set it's
like and done. Did they did they

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ask if anyone from the audience wanted
to come up and give it a shot.

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No, you know what they did. They plugged you know, a

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class that they have or something.
But no they didn't. Is that that's

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over in your neighborhood? Yeah,
yeah, you should do it. Yeah

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I might, but I I'd be
more into looking to see if they have

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tycho auditions to join there. You
don't have to pick man, you can

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do both. That's true. They
both involved sticks. Yep, not the

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same sticks. Make sure you don't
like screw that up, because if you

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show up with just a drum mallet, you're gonna get whaled on. They're

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not gonna take to drum in a
mask and body suit. Yeah. So,

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so it was really neat. That's
that's why. That's how I haven't

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hadn't been to that in the years
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wanted to go. What does the
what is the Ginza Festival? Like?

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What what what is ginzas? That
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holiday or well, we looked it
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it's actually a district in Tokyo that's
known for entertainment and they they do this

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as a fundraiser for the temple.
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like the Buddhist tradition. This is
just for that. It's a thing that

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that particular temple does. Yeah,
it's a summer thing. They do it

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every year, and they've been doing
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fifty six. Yeah, that's awesome. I wish I had checked that out,

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but I was elsewhere. I That's
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every year so far that I've been
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oh, yeah, this this is
happening this weekend in August. I'm gonna

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go check it out, and then
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wait a minute, that was last
weekend, No, Sava, you know.

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Today, for work, I went
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mentioned before in the beautiful town of
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worked for an auction house, for
an art and antique auction house, and

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we were going out there to talk
to people and I scored something that I

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feel like like like we we paved
our own future here because I scored a

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completely badass belt buckle. It's an
antique belt buckle. It says it's it

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says CB on it, and it's
got a little radio it says breaker Breaker

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ten four convoy. Come on.
Um. I feel like like this was

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the universe rewarding us for a really
good show. Intro. Yeah, that's

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great. I'm gonna have the back
engraved with the sidewinder. Nice. We'll

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have to take a picture of that
and put it up. Yeah. So

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that's why I didn't get to go
to the Gainza Festival excited to work.

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Well and clearly you you got you
got something to take home. Yeah,

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yeah, I'm just going to yeah, and the fun to take home.

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Yeah. It's it's as though,
I uh, I don't know, maybe

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I engaged in something. Maybe I
an unwittingly pleased some deity and sort of

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paid the path for me to get
that belt buckle. It's it's as though

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I had engaged in some sort of
ritualistic h series of religious practices in order

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to shape the course of my own
destiny. That's that's interesting. And now

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you've got this this item here that
you can take with you talisman of sorts.

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Yeah, and stuff and oh and
this morning, um, I cut

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the throats of three goats. Does
that matter? That'll do it too,

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that'll that a part of it.
That'll Today we're talking about voodoo, everybody,

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dude, it's spooky stuff. You
go, lounge lizard. I go

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godsmack when I think of it.
Yeah, you know what, I godsmack?

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Really after my research, Oh yeah, I was real sick of seeing

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that. I don't even know what
the godsmack song is. No, you

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don't. Is that the one that
goes oh wow? No, okay,

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I tried. I took a swing
at it. I know. I'm not

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sure that that's God's back either,
So disconnect that neuron. Okay, you're

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fired. No, that's the one
that goes fooder foot No, no food

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trying to get vood? Is that
the only words? No? Okay,

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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go
through it. If it hasn't rung a

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bell yet, the belfry is empty. Quiet. Today we're gonna talk about

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what the what voodoo is, what
the what its history is, and some

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of the myths and stereotypes that go
along with it. Yeah, because there

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are a whole bunch, man,
there are and and voodoo is a very

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complex religion which a lot of very
specific it's. It's it's as old,

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potentially far older than Christianity, m
and much like a modern Christianity, there

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are a lot of subdivisions that are
very important. Yeah. Yeah, And

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throughout the history, because of its
age, it has evolved quite a bit,

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and we'll get into some of those
evolutions and we'll talk about how that

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that happened and all kinds of fun
stuff with this one. That's right and

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no one thing. Well, we'll
kick this off with ish. If you

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say voodoo, you're doing it wrong. Yeah, it's it's pronounced more accurately

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vo do vodou, although the term
voodoo generally refers to a type of religion

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practiced by millions of people all over
the world. More specifically, though,

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as as Dave just mentioned, it's
incorrectly used for the religions of Louisiana Voodoo,

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Haitian voodoo and who do. Yeah, that's who would have thought that

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Credence Clearwater Revival was actually trying to
teach us something. It's it's been in

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a lot of people. We're chasing
down the who do there? Yeah,

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they really were of those. Each
each of them is a bit different,

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but they all have roots in the
West African religion of Vodoon. Voodoo is

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generally defined as spirit and as a
religion, it's loosely defined as the belief

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that humans and spirits share the world, that everything is connected, and that

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spirits can sometimes interact with the human
realm. That's not all that there is

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to it. That's very very basic
tenants. There's no scripture or main world

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authority, no, though there are
ordained clergy in Voodoo communities. And the

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thing that I found was really interesting
is one of the common threads through this

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is the I don't you know,
because it's one of them more familiar with

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contrast with Christianity, probably a lot
over the course of this episode. But

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whereas Christians go to church to commune
with God and to kind of share like

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their community and learn that way,
the practitioners Vodou go to become God temporarily.

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In some cases, they go to
be to become possessed and to fill

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it, to feel it, and
it's it's not necessarily their their single god

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like for example, a Haitian voodoo
has a bondie. Yeah, as as

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the the the overarching deity. And
the thing that I find fascinating is that

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they're like, oh, yeah,
that's the name of God. He will

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not help you. Yeah, he
does not care who you are or what

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you're doing. He built a good
guy, yeah, built it all,

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and he's not going to intercede.
However, he's got like a whole bunch

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of secretaries. And you can bribe, you can't. I mean, it's

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like it's like a bureaucracy. You'll
never get to the CEO's office. But

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I know his assistant, and I
know he's looking for tickets to Book of

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Mormon next work. You know,
it's it's it's kind of interesting. Transactional

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idea is his assistant, and he
likes fried chicken and rum, right,

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yeah, and so you can you
can. You can barter with his his

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lesser deities and and and and entreat
them, and they will intercede for your

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benefit or for the uh, the
punishment of others, however you like it.

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And they yeah, they they they
want sacrifice or they there are things

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that they're they're each individually interested in
getting. And you can bring that to

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them in order to earn their favor. And I think that's that's such an

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interesting concept. Yeah, and and
different from from lots of other stuff that

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that we have talked about before in
other religions. And you you even get

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a little sniff of that in in
Christianity in some of like sects um where

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you have people praying to marry and
say, yeah, the the intercessionist idea

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of yeah, praying to saints.
Yeah. And we'll talk about a lot

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of the Catholic elements that get integrated
and mixed in and stuff with the voodoo.

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There is no devil or hell.
There is a creator God that Dave

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mentioned earlier, referred to as Bondier, said it way better than that.

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I was like, his name is
Bondo, y'all meet him. I'll see

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Rojon Bondo place for the Celtic thought
it was Bondie. Oh. I like

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that. You you you got it. But then again, you're the one

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that can do the creole accent and
I can't. So you have the tools.

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Bonier is genderless, neither good nor
evil, and is removed from people.

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Like we said, there's no communication, no contact, but he's busy.

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But it's busy. As far as
anybody can tell. He's he's still

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a loving guy a girl, which
which at that point, I mean,

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you might as well think the best
of them. Sure, her man,

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that's never gonna stop effing us,
is it. No, Well, we'll

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refer to Bondier as he from now
on, just for the sake of ease.

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You know, we're not anybody.
We will be here all night.

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Now, let's get into a little
bit of these the hundreds of intermediary spirits

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which can interact with humans. These
they're called the loa, and they can

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be prayed to and have rituals performed
for them to assist with everything from health

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and wealth to whether or like we
said earlier, doing some harm to somebody.

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Yeah, they sometimes sometimes you need
somebody whacked. Maybe sometimes you gotta

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send the message and somebody that doesn't
have any tricks behind them can cover things

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sometimes. Sorry, office, if
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took issue with this guy being a
complete douchebag, and maybe did something about

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it. As you can see,
my hands are clearly clean, by the

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way, paying no attention to the
goat caucus that is in the back of

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my trunk. I am on the
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Music and dance are huge parts of
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is the respect for the natural world. A lot of this, I guess,

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I'll au gus, I'll don't you
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real quick here. A lot of
the stuff sniffs of other things, which

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I'm not going to say the W
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because I went and looked it up
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to where I'm not even gonna say
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I would say there were certain things
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a religion as it is, it's
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And if you're a board private school
college student, you know, maybe credit

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is something that is in short supply. Yeah, I did contact us,

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A good thing. We have a
Wharton filter. Anything from Wharton or Brown

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does go straight to spam. Sorry
kids, no Vassar emails here. Vodoo

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is embraced by those who understand their
imperfections, basically, and it supports individual

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empowerment, experience and responsibility. Those
are those are some major tenants that run

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throughout all these different shoots of the
tree here. Yeah, I think I

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think is sect is the right word
though, wasn't it? It seems negative,

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but it denominations because I mean,
this is this is how fuzzy it

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is, you know, because there's
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it is sect. Okay, well, because if the Haitian voodoo practitioners decided

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to go to war with Louisiana vodoo, it would be described as sectarian violence.

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Okay, we'll go with sect when
we need to write it will probably

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not come back up again. I
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there are going back to the ordained
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are female priests. Yeah. I
didn't think we could get away with Mambo

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number five. I know, I
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trumpets, they Hungan and the mambo
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mentors and advisors to the followers in
their community. There are also what are

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called bokor, which are sorcerers who
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could be a hungan or a mambo. They serve the loa with both hands.

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That's the term for it, which
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magic. Oh okay, so they're
the ones. If you want to put

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a curse on someone, you go
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want to bless somebody, give them
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a bocor. They practice with both
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really helps the relationship with the bokar
if you're not just just don't always bring

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the negative stuff to them. They'll
know that you value them a lot more

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if you bring the positive stuff and
the negative stuff in equal and try to

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give them like two weeks warning if
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It's important to maintain fostered good relationship
with your boor. They're not just

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they're not just curse machines. I
hate that. They hate that. I've

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got this sound effect from a prior
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Okay, thank you, Yeah you're
welcome. One source of of researching

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vodoo and all this fun stuff.
Yeah, who answers? Not not that

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one that one does have some fun
stuff. Uh, one source that I

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read made it seem very fatalistic,
really saying there are no accidents that you

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know, everything's connected, no event
has a life of its own. That's

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that's pretty fatalistic, you know.
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forgotten, the ancestor worship is very
important in vodou voodooism. They revere their

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elders. Well, that's that makes
sense. I mean, Uh, most

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of the practitioners that that I've seen
that there's and there's actually a fair number

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of really great documentaries online, yeah
about voodoo in different parts of the world,

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and they you know, it's it's
it's a it's a family event.

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Everybody comes out. Yeah, the
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and stuff, it's definitely the event
to go to. Now, it's not

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like to say that only happens,
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for each community. These things happen, you know, all the time,

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if not every at least what's a
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in seeing footage of them, it's
fascinating. Um, not only are there

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is the ritual very interesting and then
the reasons behind it. And I really

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would encourage you to look it up
because, uh, you know a lot

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of these documentaries they discuss the importance
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was talking about how, you know, the animals aren't tortured, it's not

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it's indistinguishable from slaughtering for the purposes
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interesting to see how much of these, uh, these ceremonies have in common.

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like like you mentioned dancing earlier,
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state than chanting. Um. So
it brings to mind things like the whirling

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dervishes, yeah, the Sufi,
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some of the really charismatic Christian sect
the Southern Baptist the snake handlers than

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Shakers Quakers exactly. I mean this, this, these modes of communication with

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God, whoever you choose that to
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and I think it's it's interesting to
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Let's talk a little bit about the
history, uh, and then we will

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go into parsing out the Haitian voodoo, Louisiana voodoo. Some who do will

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go into a little bit more detail
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much, is Yeah. So anyway, it's been said, and and we

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have mentioned it that vodu has roots
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and some estimate that it has continually
evolved for almost ten thousand years. We

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mentioned it earlier, but ten thousand
years. It may have had some roots

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that long ago and been growing and
changing ever since. Its origins have been

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traced, like we said, to
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and Nigeria during the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth centuries, when many Africans

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were forcibly shipped to the West Indies
in the horrible slave trade, right,

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they brought their religion with them to
places like Haiti and the Caribbean. Vodu

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was suppressed by the colonials, mostly
French colonials at the time. Oh man,

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you think about think about that in
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these are the people from darkst Africa
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and you know, I mean this
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and it's because they didn't understand it. They feared it. It didn't fit

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with their Christian beliefs, ignoring the
fact that every Sunday they drink the blood

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of Christ, well just you know, gloss over that. And because of

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this practice of vodou was done secretly, even while the slaves there were forced

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to go to Mass every Sunday,
they would still go to Mass, but

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it's like they did it with their
fingers crossed. And then they came back

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and were like, now it's time
to go to tough guy at church,

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bring the goat. Did you hear
about the Code Noir from Louis the fourteenth

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No Louis the fourteenth issued this decree
called the Code in War or the Black

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Code, to the colonies there,
which said that they the colonials had to

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force the Africans to adopt Christianity.
They had to baptize them, they had

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to make sure that they erased,
you know, their past, because until

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then they'd had it so easy.
Yeah about it might as well. Damn,

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that's just terrible. Yeah, that's
a yeah. Code and war.

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With doing the ceremonies in secret and
practicing their you know, their own religion.

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Many of the practices were blended with
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Right, they didn't want to get
in trouble, but they still wanted to

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worship the way they wanted to.
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I hope that they finally get to
shout bingo for the seventh or eighth

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or twelfth episode where we talk about
the Christian practice of co opting regional religions

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in order to slowly subvert them.
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talked about, they were replaced with
the Catholic Saints. So you get whatever

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LOA had. That's when the Saints
came marching in. Yeah, and yeah,

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it was fine. I was okay
with it. I knew what I

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was doing, all right. You
like to play with fire. The individual

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la will correspond to something different,
one of them, maybe for weather one

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of them, maybe for wealth,
one of them, maybe for love or

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something in a sense. The Catholic
Satans do this as well, and so

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they kind of took whatever saint represented
the those qualities and put that name on

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the loa they that they were.
So you know, uh, and we'll

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have I think I've got a couple
of examples of this a little later,

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for a little bit more detail than
me just saying, oh, they did

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this with somebody else. In seventeen
fifty one, there was a one armed

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slave named mccandle that escaped his captors
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It wasn't me, it was the
one armed man, a Vodou Hungan.

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He united other escaped slaves and they
raided plantations for six years before he was

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caught. And then he was burned
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But some people say, and by
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that he transformed into a bird as
he was burning in flew away, which

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proved to them that he was a
devout voodoo priest. Wow, pretty weird

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home. I mean, what do
you what do you happens when you're like,

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we caught him burning him problems though, now he's a bird. Yeah,

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you'd think that would shake some of
your beliefs, right that? And

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then does the guy who said burn
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Yeah? I don't know. If
if you're a surviving men, if you're

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a highlander who happened to be in
the Caribbean around this time, please send

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us an email. We know there
can be only one anyway. Haitian refugees

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fled to Southern America, mostly to
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around there, and vodoo practices continued
to evolve. To survive, they had

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to, you know, kind of
adapt wherever they went, and they melded

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beliefs of African vodoo, the Haitian
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spiritualism in what is now known as
Louisiana Voodoo. Then more evolution, coupled

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with late nineteenth and early twentieth century
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the folk spirituality known as Who Do. Today. It's hard to know just

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how many practice voodoo voodoo who Do
all that stuff. It's really hard to

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estimate because there's no real world authority. Yeah, And the nature of it

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is that it does sort of exist
very quietly. Yeah, that it not

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as personally so exactly it is.
It has been a religious belief that has

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been extremely persecuted in the New World
anywhere outside of West Africa. Um,

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it's always been the kept on the
on the down low. It's always performed

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almost in secret, like you said, people going to you know, Christian

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Mass and then being like, okay, it's doing to really go do something,

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um. And so that there's a
tradition of secrecy that that comes with

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that. Yeah. And uh.
And you see that difference very very quickly

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when you see the way that ceremonies
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to the way ceremonies are performed in
West Africa to this day. I mean

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in West Africa, I mean it's
you know, middle of the street,

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everyone comes in, it's a big
deal. Um. But even even in

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the United States or or in Haiti, still performed in in quiet, small

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rooms. You know, there's you
see, there's that that that almost a

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cultural secrecy to it. Because it's
been attacked for hundreds of years, hundreds

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of years, people are are still
afraid to practice it openly, you know,

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in the the America's around in here
anywhere pretty much out of outside of

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West Africa because you know, for
fear of the ridicule that they'll get from

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the misrepresentation that has happened and the
straight up repression that that has happened of

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it. So let's let's talk a
little bit about Haitian vodou, Louisiana voodoo

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and who do Let's see what we
got in these these things put them in

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their respective categories. Haitian vodou originated
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Practitioners avoid spelling at voodoo because of
the misconceptions. And we're going to get

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into these these stereotypes and these myths
that go along with with this. Uh

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in just a little bit. But
like we said, they believe in Boondier

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and Loah. Some of the popular
loa include Papa Legba, who is the

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gate keeper or guardian of the crossroads. This is one of the ones that

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I I said earlier. If you
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Saint Peter who guards the gate to
head right, Papa legged to Saint Peter,

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that would be you know, Erzuli
Frieda is the loa spirit of love

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and beauty. And then we hit
my favorite, Baron Samadi, who is

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the guardian of the grave. Sound
familiar, Yeah, any any James Bond

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fans out. Yeah. He's often
pictured as a tall, slender, but

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muscular black man with a skull face, either either a skull or a painted

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skull. He wears a black top
hat and dark glasses, and he's he's

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very powerful and uh he's also a
very staunch protector of children. Uh he's

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he's a popular image. But in
terms of voodoo and vodoo and all that

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good stuff and not not even I
mean, obviously there's the James Bond reference

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that's a very big deal. But
also this is like, this is the

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kind of stuff that like goth's just
Inhale. I mean, he's got like

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a steampunk top hat, I don't
on a skull on his face, and

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he's like the guardian of the underworld. I mean, where do you That's

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the longest line there is at you
know, goth fascination sometimes wears dark,

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dark glasses and tuxes. Yeahs in
tuxedos. Everything about this guy is Taylor

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made. I like his style though. Yeah, no, he's cool.

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But I'm just saying, you know, if you want to want to get

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the goths on your side, he
knows he hit every switch he could.

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Haitian Vodou disapproves of greed and dishonor
they're real bad news for practitioners. Generosity

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and love is highly valued that's good
stuff, which again I'm so glad to

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00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.000
have that spoken because, like so
many things that were done as a part

403
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:56.359
of the Christianization of the New World, there is like this kind of cultural

404
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.519
bias against it, Like if you
I don't know anything about it, but

405
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.640
I know it's pretty bad news.
Yeah, you know, that's it just

406
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.160
isn't It's not it's not bad news. It's it's just so much job.

407
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.839
It's a it's a different religion,
you know. Yeah, yeah, it's

408
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:14.880
it's just not the one that you
have. Yeah. Yeah. During a

409
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.680
ceremonial service, which by the way, can take days to prepare, the

410
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:28.079
LA can possess individuals and speak or
act through them, which we mentioned a

411
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.759
while ago. But you get the
dancing people work up into a fevered dance

412
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:37.599
and then you know, they they
shake and they become possessed by the LA

413
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.480
who they are invoking, and then
the loa through that body will take on

414
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.519
whatever is is, you know,
offered at the time. They might partake

415
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:51.119
of the sacrifice that is being given. They might taste the blood or yeah,

416
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.039
they might drink the rum, they
might smoke the cigar. They basically

417
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:59.559
become the spirit there for for a
little while, not long, and then

418
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:04.000
they leave. Even then, the
person who has been possessed claims no memory

419
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.519
of what just happened. Yeah.
The official belief is that only one consciousness

420
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:12.920
can inhabit a body at the time, and so while while the loa is

421
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.200
in town, you're out on the
street, buddy. Yeah. Yeah.

422
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:23.480
There are things called vevais which vas
kids, yeah, which are symbols or

423
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:29.319
patterns that are drawn onto the floor, often with corn meal, and they're

424
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:35.599
used as a beacon for loa and
each one is specific depending on which loa

425
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:40.000
you want to invoke. They're they're
very pretty and they're very elaborate. If

426
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:45.359
you were to look up it's spelled
vv e. If you were to look

427
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.720
them up online, you might see
a few on there. The designs are

428
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.519
are pretty neat. But they'll put
these patterns on the floor and they just

429
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.559
they draw the loa to the ceremony
there they see that. To me,

430
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.720
that that sounds a sort of like
the Tibetan mandalas that the sand the very

431
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:07.680
elaborate sand paintings that they spend you
know, up to a week working on

432
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:13.159
them and then they destroy them completely. Is that anything like u Zen gardens

433
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:17.000
rock gardens. Uh No, only
in that the mandalas are. They're an

434
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:22.199
active worship almost not worship per se, but um, it's the intense focus

435
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:27.639
that it takes to create one and
then and then the transient nature. They

436
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.480
create it with sand and when it's
done, they sweep it away and I'll

437
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:37.880
spend a week working on It's just
like improv. But whereas the zen garden,

438
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.800
the point is the permanence, the
slow evolution of a of a perfect

439
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:46.360
harmonious system. Got cool, something
that that I think we should look at

440
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:51.119
sometime in the future. Agreed,
very cool. So those are vaves.

441
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:55.360
Uh So, those are some real
basic things that go along with the Haitian

442
00:34:55.480 --> 00:35:02.599
vodou. Let's talk about Louisiana voodoo. Okay, it's all snickabas and rianna

443
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:08.239
sausages. I want to call on
a spirit of the swamp Alpha da snuga

444
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:19.719
balls and as FIFA Jack Daniels wow
target. Uh So, it's it's similar

445
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.880
to, but not the same as
the Haitian food right because it evolved from

446
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:29.280
that. There's more influence from Native
American, Spanish and Creole folk ways.

447
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:37.039
There's an emphasis on what's called greegree
Yeah, and paraphernalia and voodoo queens.

448
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.400
That's a popular thing that that happened. This is this is the part of

449
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:46.440
the story where the ignominious voodoo doll
shows up. Also oh yeah, but

450
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:52.880
but also very important to point out
again the Louisiana of voodoo is much more

451
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:58.000
a tangible like just like like you
said, is a lot more paraphernalia,

452
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.400
and the Voodo doll is just another
tool in the in the toolbox. It's

453
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:05.920
not well, well we'll get to
that one in in our stereotypes. That's

454
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.719
one of the big ones that people
when you when you think of voodoo,

455
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:13.199
yeah, I think voodoo doll.
Right, And again we're all one thing

456
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:17.599
we're really not going to go into
aside from acknowledging it is the idea of

457
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.239
like the voodoo zombie, so aside
from acknowledging, and maybe at some point

458
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:27.960
in the future will do a zombie
episode or something. But discussing the zombie

459
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.800
as a part of a discussion of
voodoo is like discussing exorcism as a part

460
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:37.719
of a treatise on the Christian religion. It doesn't really you see it like

461
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:39.840
it. It drags it kind of
off to an area that we're not really

462
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:45.320
going into. But yeah, we'll
takes a few heads off though with nice

463
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:52.360
some of the stereotype bunking though.
But let's talk about the Greegree real quick,

464
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:59.159
Okay, okay. This is This
is an amulet of protection in the

465
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:05.280
form of a small cloth or a
leather bag containing a ritual number of small

466
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:12.559
objects in it. The term may
come from an African term juju to hear

467
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:17.880
that a lot, and it's sometimes
inscribed with verses from the Qoran because it

468
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:27.960
was originally associated with Islamic tradition to
ward off gin whoa, I like that

469
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:35.280
little yarn. Voodoo queens These were
nineteenth century female voodoo leaders. They were

470
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.599
the go tos for spells, charms, you know, whatever you need.

471
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:45.559
The most famous was Marie Lavaux in
the eighteen thirties. She was renowned for

472
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:52.079
her skills as an oracle, spellcaster, spiritual leader and if you go to

473
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.440
New Orleans, her name's all over
the place. Yeah, mostly because they've

474
00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:02.559
taken they've taken this larger than life
persona of Marie Lavaux and they have turned

475
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:07.679
it into an industry. Yeah.
Voodoo. Yeah, and voodoo is a

476
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.119
part of the New Orleans tourist industry. Yeah, and a lot of people

477
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.840
will tell you, if that's where
you're going for your voodoo needs, you're

478
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.960
probably going to the wrong place,
right, because that's that's tourist industry,

479
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:27.000
that's not the real religion. But
Marie Lavaux had an interesting, interesting life

480
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:31.599
down there, and I saw something
that said her grave may be more visited

481
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.519
than Elvis's grave. Really, yeah, well that you know what though,

482
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.599
that doesn't that doesn't terribly surprise me, especially, you know, given the

483
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:44.920
religious nature of one's ancestors and things
like that. So why would that not

484
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.000
be an important true And people still
kind of invoke or call upon her to

485
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.960
help them, you know, in
their in their voodoo needs. So,

486
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:57.239
last, but not least, let's
talk about who Do. Oh, Yeah,

487
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:01.679
Who Dos a folk spirituality which evolved
from the Louisiana voodoo in the Mississippi

488
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:08.159
Delta. It focuses on root work, folk magic, and a biblical perspective

489
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:14.360
and a sort of form of karma
in the sense that whatever you do is

490
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.280
going to come back to you.
Yep, right, But they use the

491
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:22.280
Bible quite a bit, mostly as
as a guide. They also it's it's

492
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:29.280
also used as a talisman in hohodo. And it's not necessarily like using it

493
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.360
in the literal sense, or it's
more like, here are some good you

494
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.559
know, things to follow and you
can find if you have a problem,

495
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.039
you can find find solutions to it
in the pages here. If you need

496
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.880
something to help ward off, you
know, hold it up, use it

497
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.679
whatever you need. But they don't
get all. You know a super fundamentalist

498
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.000
about you know a lot of the
beliefs and stuff. So if you've got

499
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.119
a problem, you know they'll solve
it. Just wear this greed, greed

500
00:39:55.159 --> 00:40:01.719
while my looa resolves it. You
burned it, you keep burning every oh

501
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:07.840
man, I burned everything. Who
do allows people to access supernatural forces for

502
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:14.559
help in the form of homemade potions
and charms and whatnots, And it gets

503
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:19.719
doodads and googas, flip flops.
Jim James, Oh you got Jim James,

504
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:24.239
I wanted that one. Uh.
It doesn't require minister though, Nope,

505
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:29.039
this is uh. This is kind
of the ultimate form of a personal

506
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:34.159
religion. You know, you get
the stuff that you need from whoever's whoever

507
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.679
knows you know and distributes the stuff, and then you go home and uh

508
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:44.360
ritualistically you utilize it. And I
think I think that the basis for this

509
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:50.119
is uh geographic isolationism. I think
that as these beliefs, these people,

510
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:54.079
like you said, the dasp are
out of the Deep South in the early

511
00:40:54.159 --> 00:41:00.239
nineteenth century, and people moving into
the Appalachian Mountains, people getting into more

512
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:05.599
remote areas and the swamps and the
swamps, yeah, even within the swamps,

513
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.000
and they're less inclined to run into
other people. There's not a regular

514
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:15.760
community of practitioners, and so everyone
is. It is a very self driven

515
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:17.280
thing, and I think that that
leads to that. Just think about how

516
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.599
quickly these different sects have broken off, you know, just since the the

517
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.599
you know, the beginning of the
slave trade, you know, four hundred

518
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:30.000
years ago. Because all of the
voto is such an internalized belief system,

519
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.360
people carry it with them wherever they
go, and then it does change,

520
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:37.840
it incorporates other things, and and
finally, you know where it's at now.

521
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.880
With the folk who do that,
it makes sense these people are they're

522
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.480
they're more isolated, they don't see
each other as much, and so they

523
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.079
just kind of kind of wing it. They kind of they give to it.

524
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.920
What they need and and then that's
that it helps that that interesting evolution

525
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:55.239
of this religious system. Yeah.
So so those are are real quick breakdowns

526
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.480
of three big vote sects, I
guess. Yeah, going with that.

527
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:06.719
So let's close out by talking about
the stereotypes. Yeah, and by stereotypes,

528
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:10.440
I mean this, what has happened
to this religion is Hollywood, right

529
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.719
and uh and like we said,
the early Christian colonies Hollywood, which was

530
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:21.559
informed by the Christian you know viewpoint
Christian agenda really, I mean in a

531
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:25.000
pretty oblique agenda at that. I
mean they poisoned the name of of voodoo

532
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:29.599
because of you know, a couple
of films talking about Hollywood, because of

533
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.800
a couple of films. Some books
that were written about it really made it

534
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.880
seem like it was just Satan worship. It was nothing but sacrifice, evil,

535
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:44.199
cannibalism, you know, you name
it if it's bad, and voodoo

536
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.039
does it. And one of one
of the ones that we mentioned zombies,

537
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:53.679
bocres the sorcerers. It was said
can revive the dead and control them and

538
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.360
that's completely false. Yeah, Serpent
in the Rainbow, Yeah, did you

539
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.559
ever see that? Yeah, I'm
not dead. It was about the uh,

540
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.559
Clarivius Narcis, Is that right?
I mean I saw it when it

541
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:12.079
came out, so that was like
the eighties. Okay, Well that that

542
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.039
was a book that was that was
written, and this film, I guess

543
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:16.880
was it was based on it.
But like, there is a story of

544
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:24.400
this Haitian named Claris Narcisse that was
apparently he went to the doctor one day

545
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.519
and said he, you know,
was having the stomach pains and I ain't

546
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.280
feeling good. Yeah, he's not
feeling good. And then a couple of

547
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:36.480
days later he dies, They hold
a service, they bury him, and

548
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.400
then eighteen years later he grabs his
sister on the street and says, I'm

549
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.840
I'm your brother. Let me tell
you my story. I have been a

550
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:51.400
zombie for the past eighteen years.
And according to him, a bocor had

551
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:57.280
sprinkled him with some powder and dug
him up three days later and then forced

552
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:02.559
him to work on his sugar plantation
until somehow one of the other workers killed

553
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:07.400
the bocor or whoever was overseeing them
with a with a hoe and then that

554
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:13.880
allowed them to escape. Now that
story, they have done research on it,

555
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:15.800
you know, and tried to see
what's what's going on, if it

556
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:21.039
was just a real tall tale that
he's he's spinning, or if there's something

557
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.519
to it. And what they found
is that some people can be under the

558
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:31.239
influence of powerful drugs, namely to
try to toxin which comes from the pufferfish.

559
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:38.599
And it's been said that some bocors
or general jackasses can mix together some

560
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:45.719
powder which includes maybe like ground up
human bone, some of this toxic stuff

561
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:51.039
from pufferfish, some you know,
plants, some showmanship junk, some showmanship

562
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.159
maybe painted a skull on the face
and uh, and they sprinkled on people.

563
00:44:54.800 --> 00:45:00.400
These people, for all intents and
purposes, die because they're shuts down

564
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:06.239
just long enough for people to think
they're dead and do their final farewells.

565
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:13.880
And then the bocore goes claims the
body and then has an antidote that revives

566
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:19.639
them to where the brain can take
either no damage if he gets there in

567
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:24.280
time up to you know, a
fair amount of damage. But what happens

568
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:29.119
is that this antidote and all all
the stuff that they're doing to the to

569
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:34.039
these people leaves them in the zombie
like state to where they are compliant,

570
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.000
but they're in a haze. They
don't know what they're doing. All they

571
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:40.719
knowed to do is to breathe,
and I guess follow direction. But the

572
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:45.719
but the important thing about that is
though that's a case of pharmacology and in

573
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:52.559
pretty direct affront to the Vodu religion. Sure, I mean so so it's

574
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.800
it's it's a it's an awful thing
that they gets flung on there. Um

575
00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.000
And I would I would say of
sort of the same thing in the way

576
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:05.199
it um Right now, it's really
popular to make pedophile jokes about Catholic priests.

577
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:07.639
It's not part of the religions,
you know, but the two end

578
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.599
up getting oh that's what happens now, and it's and it's it's it does

579
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.559
a disservice in the same way it
does to the Catholic faith, in the

580
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:21.599
same way it does to the Voto
faith. Yeah, and these these bookhors,

581
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:27.360
they don't necessarily have to be practicing
vodooists, or if they are,

582
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.519
they're obviously doing it for their own
ends, you know, in their own

583
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:35.440
Yeah, there's nothing there's nothing in
vodo that says get slave labor for your

584
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.000
plantation, right, So, uh
so, anyways, but the straight up

585
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:43.960
zombie you know, the films that
you see where a priest does it,

586
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.920
you know, shakes a stick and
dances around and then zombies shoot up through

587
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.639
the graves. That that's that's hooey, that's maliarchy. Let's talk about the

588
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:59.519
voodoo dolls. Dolls representations that can
cause harm. That's what that's what the

589
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.960
classic voodoo doll is. Right.
You you take a likeness of someone,

590
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.800
maybe you take a lock of their
hair, or you take something that belongs

591
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.559
to them, uh and tied on
there, do do some incantations and then

592
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.760
stick pins in it. Whatever you
do to the doll happens to the person.

593
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.960
False, so false. This is
not a part of voodoo. There's

594
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.000
an origin in folk magic of things
that are like voodoo dolls, and this

595
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:30.320
you find in European witch folklore.
These are called poppets. Yeah, but

596
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.159
they're not part of the vodoo religion. No. Some some money makers,

597
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.440
the industry, the tourist industry,
have adopted them to sell. I think

598
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:43.480
this came through one of the Hollywood
movies, you know. But in vodou,

599
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.960
if anybody makes a doll that's a
representation of anything, it's for a

600
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:51.559
loa right, yeah, exactly.
It's something that goes as as a gift

601
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.679
to the loa as it goes on
the altar. It's never it's never your

602
00:47:54.719 --> 00:48:00.719
neighbor. It's it's a it's it's
the spirit that you want to invoke,

603
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.159
and you treat it like you would
treat if the spirit were standing there in

604
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:07.320
front of you. Right. It's
the equivalent of calling a crucifix of voodoo

605
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:15.199
doll. Yeah. So, uh, sacrifice people and or animals sacrificed in

606
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:21.000
rituals. This is halfway true,
right. There aren't human sacrifices, no,

607
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:27.159
but they're there's surely animal sacrifices that
are going on. And they sacrifice

608
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.800
animals for certain loa, not all
of them, but certain ones in the

609
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:37.800
rituals require sacrificial animals in there.
Once they sacrifice an animal, though,

610
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:42.800
they immediately cook it and they they
eat it. They use up um,

611
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.599
you know, just as if,
like you said, they had slaughtered it

612
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.559
for you know, consumption, right, And they the phrase they use is

613
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.440
that the the blood is for the
loa, the meat is for the people.

614
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:58.000
Yeah, And and then that is
part of the tenet of the of

615
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:01.400
the ritual. It's that it binds
both the loa and the people together.

616
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:07.199
Through this sacrifice that they are all
sharing in the same thing. So while

617
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:13.679
you know animals sacrifice in itself is
bad news, at least they are doing

618
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:19.519
what they what anybody would do if
they were just raising animals for consumption exactly.

619
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.840
And that's and that's no different honestly
than say, for example, the

620
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:32.079
preparation of uh steakums, that those
things are born out of Satan's ass No,

621
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:38.280
unless you want to sponsor us balls
in your court stakm um, your

622
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:44.719
move. No, it's but it's
no different. It's it's a ritualistic preparation

623
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.039
um that is not dissimilar from say, how you would prepare kosher beef.

624
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.840
Okay, you know, like the
animal is being prepared under a religious set

625
00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:04.719
of rules to be consumed. Yeah, right, that's it. How about

626
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:10.119
devil worship voodoo, that thought that
voodoo equals Satanism. Uh, this is

627
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.760
so false. It's dumb, right, It's it's doubly laughable in that the

628
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:17.880
practitioners the voodoo do not believe in
a devil. There's no devil or hell.

629
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.360
Yeah. Yeah, but but I
will say this, uh, and

630
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:28.400
I this is not upon but in
the devil's advocate category that under the teachings

631
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.480
of the Bible being that there's only
one true God, and if these people

632
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:36.719
are not worshiping that one troupe God, then they have been deceived and are

633
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:42.800
unknowingly worshiping a demon or the demon. Yeah well, well, well did

634
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.159
you ever see which point you say, why don't you get back in your

635
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:51.320
own backyard there, churchy? What
were we asking? Did you ever see

636
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:55.639
The Devil's Advocate the Keanu Rio.
Yeah, dude, that movie was awesome

637
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:00.440
and I will tell you why.
One. It actually is a really cool

638
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:05.599
characterization of sin and temptation and how
that would work in a Christian's life.

639
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:12.079
Also full frontal hot checks. Uh
yeah, I really like that movie too.

640
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:16.639
Also, though very bad voodoo stereotype
right yeah, um so, so

641
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:24.719
check that out seriously frontal hot chan. One final stereotype for you, the

642
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:29.639
use of snakes in voodoo, snakes
being a big part. Right, This

643
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:34.800
is a true to a degree.
Snakes are are used again in rituals,

644
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:39.360
as they are in some Christian sects, right right. The snake is tied

645
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:45.400
to loa in in some cases as
well, either in form or in thought.

646
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.639
But yeah, there there are uses
of snakes, but it has.

647
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:54.760
It has a completely different context from
Satan or the Garden of right, right,

648
00:51:54.800 --> 00:52:00.719
I get you that junk so uh
so uh Dave, Yeah, Dave,

649
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:05.159
that's uh, that's voodoo for you, oh man, in a very

650
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:10.960
small in an intercontinental ritualistic evolving nutshell. That's awesome. Yeah, voodoo very

651
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:16.400
cool, very cool, a lot
very uh misrepresented. Yeah. Really a

652
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:22.360
really rich, interesting religious system that
um got. It got a really bad

653
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.239
shake. Yeah. And when you
think of the religions of the world,

654
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:30.079
you I bet you don't think voodoo. Right, But that's it's up there.

655
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:31.920
It's there, man. It doesn't
have all the glitter and polish of

656
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.880
Hinduism, but it's it's it's fighting, it's a work. It's work,

657
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:37.800
keeping on, keeping on. Speaking
of keeping on, keeping on, what

658
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:42.400
I donna, I'm gonna cast a
little little hoodoo voodoo on you right now,

659
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.920
don't It's called the ponds. Oh, I'll take that, Yeah,

660
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:52.400
and I'll give I'll give back to
you tinfold. Oh nice. Well I

661
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.079
went first last week. I always
have to go first, So why don't

662
00:52:54.119 --> 00:53:02.000
you go first? Bit? All
right? I got a product for you

663
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.760
to start out with. Okay,
if you're ever you know, celebrating Thanksgiving.

664
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:14.360
Let's say, um, you you
need something to invoke the spirits of

665
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.760
the holiday and h maybe cast some
good luck over your house, or if

666
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:23.519
you just need to draw those spirits
into your home, you can pour some

667
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:30.719
symbols on the floor in a in
a very tasty, thick sauce called grave

668
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:38.480
a. I like that grave not
the baby. All right, I got

669
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:43.480
I got one for you. Picture
pictures are intricate and delicious. One thing

670
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:50.360
that has actually been bothering the leaders
of the various um vodu sects is is

671
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:53.840
this separation between them when really they
share such a common ancestry and they should

672
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:59.039
be getting together, They should be
trying to rejoin them. Um, and

673
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:04.760
they've they've been really working to try
to achieve sexual healing between the three of

674
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:14.320
them. Winning. Won't see?
Uh, sir? Can I look in

675
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.679
your bag for a second. Almost
snuck that into the stadium. Yeah,

676
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.840
I was like, wait, when
is he going to tell the Joe sexual

677
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:30.039
healing? Yeah? What a jackass? All right, aren't you just a

678
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:36.880
dick? Alright? Alright, I've
got I've got a Haitian store for polos,

679
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.960
khaki shorts, flip flops, baseball
caps. It's called bro do.

680
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.960
Oh God, well, look good
bro do? Did you practice some brod?

681
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:55.559
Uh? It's actually properly pronounced broad
do. All right, I got

682
00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:00.199
one for you good. Uh.
So the US government is part of their

683
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:04.440
uh, their their census data.
They're trying to determine, because it is

684
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:10.079
a hidden faith system, how many
people are practicing um and so they they've

685
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:15.559
actually issued a report on the results
of their census findings in the twenty ten

686
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:23.840
census, and it's called who do
who don't? Yeah? Wow, Yeah,

687
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:28.679
I got a bonus one for you. Do you really do I do?

688
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:35.159
Uh. It's a it's a romantic
comedy, uh, set back in

689
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:38.960
the fifties about a guy who on
business has to move to Louisiana, UM,

690
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:44.320
and his wife had died and he's
got uh two adorable daughters and they're

691
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:49.079
trying to fix them up with the
woman next door who has an interesting religious

692
00:55:49.119 --> 00:56:06.320
system and uh. The movie is
called Papa Loves mombo Ah. Why is

693
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.920
everything I do musical? All of
a sudden, I don't know, but

694
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:15.239
yeah, although it's uh not godsmack
apparently, Yeah, I'm on the island

695
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:21.559
alone on there, I would argue
that God's Mike maybe doesn't qualify as music

696
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.239
I got. I got a bonus
one for you too. Oh look at

697
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:30.000
yeah, look at Yeah, I've
got the hottest new DJ straight out of

698
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:34.920
New Orleans. Oh really, Yeah, she spends records that will cast a

699
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.840
spell on you. Okay, yeah, she is a DJ Marie La Flow.

700
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:44.719
Oh I like that all right.
I think I think that's uh,

701
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.239
I think that's enough. I think
the quota has been filled, and we

702
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:53.599
even got ahead start on tomorrow.
Yeah. What's under your desk there?

703
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:58.920
That's some fancy drawing. What is
that? Wait a minute, it's just

704
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:02.400
my shapely legs. No, no, on the floor looks like there's cornmeal

705
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:12.119
scattered everywhere. I don't I don't
draw cornmeal. That's a Vevey. No,

706
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.719
No, that's copy of Babes Kids. No, no, it's not.

707
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:19.079
There's a little doll setting on your
computer. Yeah, but in the

708
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:23.920
shape of a listener ive is gonna
call some listener puns, you know,

709
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:40.840
listener fucking pun explosion in your damn
faces. Holy crap. Oh man,

710
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:46.920
you uh that that led listeners here
like a beacon. Yeah, and uh

711
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:51.599
and we got a ton of feedback
this really you know how you know how

712
00:57:51.639 --> 00:58:07.239
I really know how electro metal listener
pun sound Wow, the souls of the

713
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.760
innocent done to us. That is
how much the email we got. And

714
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:13.719
that's how hard it rocks. You
get. You get a punch bloition and

715
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:17.360
you get an electro pun and sound. God, it's a good thing.

716
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:20.400
We just had that on deck and
you don't have to do any work.

717
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:25.239
That's true. Wait, no it's
not. Oh man, Well let's dig

718
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.840
in. Let's you know, what
do you mind? Do you mind if

719
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:30.960
I just I just lead into this? You want to lead in very badly.

720
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:37.920
Okay, because our good friend Bob
Yeah has hit us with a novella

721
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:40.679
of a punt Oh nice? Yeah, yeah, I love backstories. Yeah.

722
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.480
This is from our our Go Beckley
Teppie episode Nice. He supposes that

723
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:50.719
the large multitude of people building Go
Beckley Teppie needed a staple food supply,

724
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.559
and unwittingly invented farming. Their main
crop was the world famous sugar beat.

725
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:59.280
These same sugar beats were refined down
to pure sugar, which was used to

726
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:07.840
make the Go Bay teas favorite food, Go Beckley Tepioca pudding. Yeah.

727
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:14.440
Unfortunately, things didn't go so good
after the pun dropped their poor farming techniques

728
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.639
used up all the new treats in
the soil, forcing the go Beckley Teas

729
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:21.639
to pack up their rock tools and
head on over to stoneheand region of England

730
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.800
boush, And thus a legend was
born. Wow, thank you, Bob.

731
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.719
I love it when a pun can
take us on a journey, you

732
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:38.119
know what. Also special award to
Bob first Ton with an epilogue, because

733
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:42.320
how many times have we wondered?
Yeah, but what happens after them?

734
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.079
Yeah? What happened? And that
guy didn't go knocking on that van that

735
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:49.440
was rocking? Yeah, finally answered
it. Thank you Bob. That was

736
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:52.280
nice, nicely done. Good to
hear from you again, Bob. Very

737
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:58.159
good. We got a we got
another pun here for you from who from

738
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:04.800
gray Head. The it's a cat
is a very special fenline g r Ae

739
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:08.519
underscore cat. That's who we got
And that's a that's our fancy feast so

740
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:15.239
great cat hits us with a brand
of sweet potatoes called Springhilled Jack Sweet Sweet

741
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:23.719
Tatters. That's awesome. I am
actually going to i officially here by rename

742
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:28.679
not that in my life I've ever
made like a sweet potato cast role for

743
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.159
Thanksgiving, but this time I'm going
to and it won't be called sweet.

744
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:45.119
Sweet tatters him to say, great
cat doesn't stop there. What Yep,

745
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:50.920
the feast keeps getting fancy, rolling, kitty keep rolling. Great kid actually

746
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:55.440
asks us a question Nonpunuler wants to
know, wants to know about us?

747
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:01.079
Oh one wants to get a little
little personal. Those records are steal great

748
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:05.800
Yad asks how did you guys meet
and why did you decide to do a

749
01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:09.000
podcast together? Well, that's an
excellent question. Yeah, two of them.

750
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:13.880
Yeah, well, uh, I'll
you'll cover the first part. Okay,

751
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.639
there's a two parter. Yeah,
um, we met. We are

752
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:23.400
both Chicago improvisers. We both worked
through Second City and uh, and it's

753
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:27.519
it's it's a there's a lot of
improvisers in Chicago. It might be the

754
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.320
number one industry, but it's not
so big that you don't know other people.

755
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:37.039
And I was actually in an improv
group with mister Flora's girlfriend. And

756
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.360
then uh, some time later,
and I'd seen you, I've seen you,

757
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:43.639
I'd seen your perform I was aware
of you being existing. Yeah,

758
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.840
and then uh, a few years
later we were both on the same team

759
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:52.119
a Damascus Steel and uh, that's
formed together quite a few times for for

760
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:57.559
some time. And then mister Flora
made the exalted switch up to director,

761
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:01.719
Yeah and uh direct me and a
really great musical written by another friend of

762
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:07.119
ours, Jay Gish called Yojoe a
real American hip hop musical stuff awesome,

763
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:09.840
and uh yeah, so that's how
we met, that's how we knows each

764
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:14.559
other. Yeah. And when we
were on Damascus Steel together, we did

765
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:24.480
a podcast with the team which I
kind of organically evolved a section section yeah

766
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:29.480
of the podcast where I would bring
a weird topic and we would discuss it.

767
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:32.599
And I mean, if if you're
really interested in sifting up the DNA

768
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:37.039
of our podcast, I think it's
on it's still on iTunes. It's called

769
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.679
the Steel Cast. Yeah yeah,
and you'll you'll hear both of us as

770
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:45.239
long as as well as the other
talented members of our our improv group,

771
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:49.360
Damascus Steel, and yeah, you'll
you'll see Flora bringing the weird, yeah,

772
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.199
bringing that, and that sort of
planted the seeds and then um,

773
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:57.239
we kind of all all got busy
with that podcast and stopped doing it.

774
01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:01.679
So we so busy we stopped it. We got busy with other other stuff

775
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:07.559
like life and uh. And I
was like, hey, Dave, do

776
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:09.840
you want to keep talking about where? And I was like do I?

777
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:17.599
So six months later we we we
finally got stuff rolling. So that's that's

778
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:21.840
what brings us here, that's right. And now you're the reason we do

779
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:23.599
it. Yeah, that's all right. We've transferred all of our love for

780
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:36.039
each other onto you. We hate
each other, that's not true. So

781
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:39.440
so that hopefully that answers your questions. And thanks for thanks for accent about

782
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.280
us. I'd like to know a
little more about you, Greg Hat.

783
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:50.599
How'd you get so fancy? What
else we got sto? The explosion keeps

784
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:58.639
building? It does? I just
keep digging through this awesome boxwome Um,

785
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:02.480
I've got another pun? Oh what? Yeah? We got a pun and

786
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:10.000
a really great letter from a listener, JW um who I'm gonna put it

787
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:14.079
out there. This guy went above
and beyond the call of duty. Sure

788
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:19.679
did oh Man now serve as a
as a model Yeah exactly, j W

789
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:27.880
be it man or woman is a
model citizen of our community. Because JW

790
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:31.039
lives off the grid. No Facebook, none of those things, no Amazon,

791
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:36.039
none of that craziness created an Avatar
on iTunes just to get just to

792
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:41.480
leave a review, call blind.
That's a ton of work and they did

793
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.679
it just for us. Thank you, JW, thank you very much,

794
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:48.760
really appreciate it and left. I
actually had to stop reading this because I

795
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:56.079
started laughing so hard. J W
and I are going to be great friends

796
01:04:56.719 --> 01:05:01.000
because I love just just what starts
is just a normal pun and then just

797
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.880
just the non specific rage and then
right back to the pun again. It

798
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:09.679
was great and I we're besties from
here on out. Here we go.

799
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.400
This is uh from our podcast where
we're talking about the Book of Enoch Ye

800
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.119
Fallen Angels. It's a niche clothing
and footwear outfit for those furry things in

801
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:21.920
Return of the Jedi for when they're
shooting hoops are just getting dolled up.

802
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:28.519
Enochs foxy niche socks and rebox for
Ewoks. May the Farst be with you.

803
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:32.000
And he finish it with a shout
out to dig it too. Oh

804
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:39.239
wow, well played. That is. That is one of the greatest things

805
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:43.440
on earth. Because anyone who hates
an Ewok is a friend of mine.

806
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:47.280
That's awesome. He's also he was
also a fan of our dramatic reading of

807
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:53.360
Jimmy Tepper versus the Goatman of Booie. Oh yeah, and he suggests we

808
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:58.920
we do some reviews of other low
budget films. That's a brilliant idea,

809
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:00.400
which and yeah, I love.
I think we're absolutely gonna do that.

810
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:04.360
We'll have to have to find him. Yeah, I'm sure they're out there.

811
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:08.880
We just talked to we we've seen
Sharknado, right, you know they're

812
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:15.159
out there. Yeah, So thank
thank you JW. We get a returner.

813
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.400
Yay. Jerald writes us back.
It's like it's like a nice volley

814
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:21.119
It's like it's like in volleyball.
Yeah, the ball keeps going back and

815
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:26.000
forth. That's the fun. Yeah. Gerald actually actually tells us a little

816
01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:30.239
bit of about our supposed Greek friend
we know and love so much. Yeah,

817
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.000
I did you know what? You
know what? You know what,

818
01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:38.199
Gerald, Tommy, I thought his
name was Greeky. It's not act it's

819
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:43.679
uh. He says, you know
that Georgio Suklos is ethnically Greek, sounds

820
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:50.159
like sucralos. Look out, he's
bad for you. But he says,

821
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:57.480
were you aware that he was born
in Depending on the source, either Switzerland

822
01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:02.159
or Belgium. M hmm and stir. Yeah, how how cool. Thanks

823
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:05.599
thanks for passing that little nugget on. Yeah, and thank you for listening.

824
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:10.360
Uh, thank you very very much
for that. And also listen,

825
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.360
get in some trouble with the cops. All right, that's just doing my

826
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:16.119
business. And I appreciate your concern, but I've got some cash stacked away

827
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:23.159
for bail money. Um stecco,
does that? Does that change your stance

828
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:28.079
on mister Elians at all? Nope? So you're you're just you're just in

829
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:30.039
it for the ethnicity. Man.
You know what, it doesn't matter where

830
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:34.800
he comes from. He's crazy's crazy, and bad decisions are bad decisions,

831
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:40.320
you know. It's just it's just
easiest to blame the Greeks. That's what

832
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:43.679
I like about it, is that
it's easy. Yeah. Um, fun

833
01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.480
fact about me. My one of
my favorite writers of all time is Jack

834
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.239
Handy, former SNL writer who everyone
would recognize from deep thoughts. Sure,

835
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:56.639
but he's a real person and he
writes books and uh, one of my

836
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:00.719
favorite deep thoughts of all times is, you know, it's it's easy to

837
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:03.440
sit there and want and want more
money. And that's what I like about

838
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:13.880
it. It's so easy, just
sitting there wanting that money. All right,

839
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:19.159
thank you, thank you, and
let's see what there's so much male

840
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:25.800
and man, we got one more, yeah, we got We got a

841
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:30.279
great letter from a friend, Dylan. Dylan has one of my favorite opinions

842
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:33.680
in the world, and it's that, um he likes our podcast. Oh

843
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:35.960
that's a good opinion. Yeah,
I'm a big fan of that. Has

844
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:42.359
a great shell suggestion. So about
Black Eyed Kids, Oh hell yeah.

845
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.800
Not a fusion hip hop techno group. Nope. By the way, I

846
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:49.279
do have a conspiracy theorist about the
Black Eyed Peas. I'm not the originator

847
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:53.479
of this. I think I read
it on the internet somewhere that they're actually

848
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:58.479
the time traveling children of Angelina,
Jolie and Brad Pitt come back to somehow

849
01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.319
subvert the Earth in the future.
It all adds up and it all matches.

850
01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:06.560
Okay, I'm just all I'm saying
boom, But yeah, black Eyed

851
01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:12.680
Kids really creepy thing. This is. This is sitting in our quiver,

852
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:17.319
right, yeah, absolutely, this
is an arrow and you're gonna get shot.

853
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:23.920
Get one to the butt on this
right. I don't like releasing doves

854
01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:28.119
too early because people just get feathers. Then there's there's all kinds of mats

855
01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:33.359
that might get on you're telling me, but black Eyed Kids might be part

856
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:42.199
of blurry photober. Oh, blurry
photober. It's spooky and crazy, along

857
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:45.560
with a few other suggestions that we
have gotten. Uh and and you know

858
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.079
who you are. Maybe we'll make
sure we can find out who you are.

859
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:51.920
But that does sounded like a threat. I didn't mean it that way.

860
01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:58.119
We have we do, We do
have have some arrows that that have

861
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.800
blurry photober U on them. Yeah, we're gonna shoot them at the month

862
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.760
and not at you and not at
you. And and you're you're going to

863
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:11.760
reap the rewards of of this archery
competition. Black Eyed Kids. I'm there,

864
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:15.640
ready, ready to go. So
thank you, Dylan. Yeah,

865
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:17.840
and and thanks for listening, Thanks
for coming to us and finding us.

866
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:23.479
And we appreciate all of you,
like the literal snowflakes, so that you

867
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:28.079
are each of you are perfect in
mine eyes. Keep sending stuff in sending

868
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:30.680
whatever you want, you know what, we can handle explosions. Yeah,

869
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:35.119
we just did, like like really
well, yeah, we're were great.

870
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:40.039
Yeah, I mean and I mean
more emails means that I get to pimp

871
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:44.760
Flora into making a more elaborate listener
mail sound. We'll see. Let's see

872
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:46.680
how far we can push this guy. You know, maybe maybe sit back

873
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:54.119
and just smile and nod. Maybe
that's how you enjoyed this podcast. Ah,

874
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:58.000
yes, awesome. Indeed you guys, what what you need to do?

875
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:00.760
And uh, I don't have to
cast spell for you because I will

876
01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:04.239
know I know that you will do
this. Yeah, yourselves. But you

877
01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:09.439
could head on over to iTunes and
subscribe on there and rate us and put

878
01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:14.439
us stars and a review, po
pour a little praise over the poor,

879
01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:16.880
a little praise over the altar on
iTunes. Oh yeah, it's great.

880
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:20.960
Thanks thanks to those of you who
I'm sure who have rated us lately.

881
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.920
We really appreciate that we've got a
new review on there. Oh great,

882
01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:28.439
wet, Yeah, it's it's well. I'd like to change this. I'd

883
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.920
like it to be something that happens
so much that we can't possibly track each

884
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:33.800
of We can't keep up with it, but right now we can keep up

885
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:38.840
with it. So far, it's
it's very manageable, and I'd like to

886
01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:42.439
see that change. Do us a
favor if you're on the Facebook's. Head

887
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:45.960
on over to Blurry Photos podcast on
Facebook and give us a like. Yeah,

888
01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:49.119
we're over one hundred. Now.
Hey, hey, we got that

889
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:54.199
lock of hair coming to us from
the royal family, so so go on

890
01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:57.960
do that. Go over to YouTube
and subscribe to us on there. Yep,

891
01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:00.920
we'll be we'll be hopefully getting some
good stuff there soon besides the podcast.

892
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:04.079
Yeah, we got some, we
got we got some some frogs in

893
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:08.359
the pot. Yeah that's not even
a phrase, it is. It felt

894
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:13.680
good to say it. Head over
to stumble Upon, create an account,

895
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:18.359
learn how to do it, and
then go and thumbs us up all of

896
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:25.199
those things. Go go follow us
on the twitters, blurry underscore photos.

897
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:28.439
That's fun stuff. Yeah. Let
me ask you this, Flora, is

898
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:31.399
it was it worth it for the
sake of of delicious sarcasm to create a

899
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:34.880
MySpace for us? Probably? Not? No, Okay, I was just

900
01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:40.439
wondering. I mean, apparently my
space, if you even do it now,

901
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:44.720
is mostly for bands. Right,
Oh, you have you heard the

902
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:48.840
sweet tracks we've kicked out? Do
you remember the Fallen Angels episode? It

903
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:55.119
was practically a musical man, You're
right, we did. I think we

904
01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:59.039
did. Disney and top Gun.
Yeah, and we did the crap out

905
01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:02.439
of it, So I will do
that. Maybe maybe we'll look into my

906
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:12.199
space. I've missed tom so very
much. Here's the deal. If if

907
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:16.640
you want to make your people in
your lives listen to us and they don't

908
01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:20.119
know what a podcast is, take
a few minutes and teach them. Yeah,

909
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:24.720
I don't lose your cool. It
can be frustrating, but just walk

910
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:27.800
them through. And you know what, I'm not even saying that just for

911
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.359
our podcast. I'm saying that for
podcasts in general. You listen to podcasts,

912
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:34.600
We're not the only ones you listen
to and let other people know how

913
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:39.680
cool they are. Yeah, a
lot of people don't understand either what a

914
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:43.239
podcast is, or how it works
or anything like that. You've done that.

915
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:46.399
We're in new territory right now.
Yeah, and it's and everyone who's

916
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:49.159
listening to this at some point it's
had to try to explain a podcast to

917
01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:53.439
someone, right um, And it's
it's as easy as saying, just hand

918
01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:57.039
me your damn phone, the idiot, and then boom, you just like

919
01:13:57.079 --> 01:13:59.800
set them up with four or five
podcasts and be like you don't have to

920
01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:02.920
listen and all of them you just
listen to something that sounds interesting. Yeah.

921
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:06.119
Um, but we're doing a service. We're fighting for all podcasts.

922
01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:11.359
You can teach your friends to fish
and then they will be fed off off

923
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:13.960
of our podcast from then on.
This is what I'm trying. They won't

924
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:15.680
be bugging you for fish anymore.
Dude. That way, it's not just

925
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:19.359
like, hey, listen to these
guys and then they're like okay, because

926
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:25.159
yeah, but they're there. I
don't see them. And the CDs at

927
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:29.760
the store not yet there. They're
not the bargain band. There's no stores

928
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:36.239
that sell so anyways, Uh,
do do a community service to teach people?

929
01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:40.039
Uh? Man, that's that's all. Can we get that? Can

930
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:45.640
we get that sound effect again?
Thank you? Yeah see, we're here

931
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:50.239
for you. So for this episode
of Blurry Photos, I have been Davey

932
01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:58.319
Laflow nice and I am David the
whiskey Loa Stecco. Make your offerings.

933
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:06.319
I'm not the one who's so far
away. When I feel the snackburder,

934
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:19.760
I don't want I cry. I
don't remember. By man, it's like

935
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:23.520
it's like you keep trying to pull
the ebreak to stop the call. Nick

936
01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:25.039
just keeps going snaps off