At at. Tonight's guest is Mony Tickle MONI. Welcome to the show.
Thank you, you're welcome. We appreciate your time. MONI, please give
us a brief bio in yourself. Okay, I was raised in the country
most of my life up until I was about seventeen eighteen years old. My
mother and father were pretty hard working individuals, but a lot of the times
they would have to work late, so me and my little brother Rob,
we used to go out into the woods to play. And that's basically how
my childhood went up until about seventeen years old or so. Myself, I've
worn many hats in my years of working. I don't have a clear profession,
but if I was to look at all my skills and put them all
together, I would say that construction would probably be the top, with art
and digital graphics, making T shirts, I mean, just anything artsy music.
I've been a musician for most of my life, from the time I
was ten years old got my first guitar till today and forty two. Now,
that's a good thirty two years of musicianship under my belt. Far as
like bio goes, that's about it. Currently live in the woods, I
live in a small town in southwest Virginia, and i have a fiance and
two step kids, and I've got four kids on my own that are grown,
and I work at a cemetery. But that's about it. Sounds to
me like you've carved out a good life for yourself. It's pretty comfortable.
Yeah, sounds like it is. That's great. Many you had your first
encounter when you were just sixteen, and it was a traumatic one. Do
you think that experience had any profound effects on the person you are today?
Well, I can say this, up until yesterday or the day before,
I think is what it was. I have not set foot in the world
woods, and I used to go out there for entertainment, and my brother
didn't have a whole lot growing up, so you know, the woods were
kind of our thing. And after that encounter happened, I had a lot
of nightmares. I had nightmares for years and still, you know, to
this day, when I talk about it in full and I take myself back
to those those memories, it basically just floods over me. And as much
as the conscious side of my mind wants to push that out and kind of
lock that out, the subconscious of my mind when I go to sleep becomes
very active, and you know, I all I all I can do is,
you know, just try to try to get try to get better and
better and talk about this thing. And the more that I talk about it,
the more that I can. I can, I can deal with this
thing, you know, And and the less and less over the years,
it's it's it's diminished. You know. I've had nightmares, I've had I
can't have people jump scare me, I mean, like those kind of pranks
and stuff. I don't. I don't want to say that I would,
but you know, you might get punched if you if you jump scare me,
you know. And that's how bad it got. It's gotten, actually,
and I've had some therapy over it. I mean, it's been a
pretty profound thing in my life, just up until a couple of days ago,
and you and I had to talk and everything was the first time I've
entered the woods by my own volunteerism. So that's pretty much it. I
don't know if anything else that it really well, let me actually rephrase that.
There are several other things that it affects. And I think anybody that
has one of these encounters would be affected the same way. And I think
distrust paranoia is a big thing that I know that I go through. I'm
sure that other people that's had these experiences have those similar feelings. But as
far as a whole, it hasn't. It hasn't so much as made me
to the point of where I can't deal with life, but it has affected
things to where it's been harder. Life is hard enough as it is,
not to mention have have to have two encounters. So yeah, I don't
like hearing that at all. When you went to see a therapist, when
you underwent therapy, who did you go to see in? How much did
you tell them about what really happened to you? Well, the first encounter
is it is the thing that I'm I'm most focused on because it was the
most traumatic. It's just a counselor that I talked to. I'm not currently
talking to one, but it was for about five years afterwards, my mother
and father noticed that I wouldn't go outside. They noticed a huge they notice
a huge change, you know, in my behavior. And my mom asked
me one day if she thought that would be okay if I would talk to
some you know, to someone and I said, well, sure, you
know, and she set me up with a counselor from her church that she
went to, and it was more of like a program, like a big
brother kind of program. And he was a little bit older than me,
and he would come to the you know, once a week and we would
kind of talk about things. And it took me a while to really get
down to it, just just because I didn't feel like he was gonna believe
any of it. But we did sit down and talk and eventually got the
story out in the full form. And the counselor he had kind of a
I don't know if this makes sense or not, but it was almost a
double edged sword like it kind of it almost like seems like he didn't believe
me in a sense. But altogether, it was a nice release because I
was afraid to tell anybody else. I mean, my mother and father knew
about it, and my father that night that that it happened, you know,
we talked about it, and we'll get into that a little bit later,
but that's pretty much it with the counseling. I did it for about
five years and then I felt like the nightmares and everything, we're subsiding,
so I chose to just stop the counseling. Then, well, I can't
say I blame you if you didn't believe you. I'm glad that you were
able to get that out. But yeah, if you didn't believe you,
then how can he help you all that much? And I'm sure, yeah,
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please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, Monty, please
tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that comes
to mind. Well, I was sixteen, we had just gotten out of
high school for break. I think I was in the tenth grade, and
it was about a month to a month and a half after we got out
of break, So it was actually I guess it was more towards the beginning
of the fall semester. But I do remember that there were leaves coming down,
but not as much as say, full fledged fall. It was more
of like at the end of summer where they just start changing and you got
a few leaves coming off here and there. But they were really beautiful colors
up there. You know, in southwest Virginia, we have some very very
beautiful colors coming out in autumn and fall. But it was me my little
brother, and we had a best friend at that time that had moved from
I think what he told us was Pensacola, Florida. I can't really remember
where he told us he was from, but I do remember that he said
that he was from a city. He had never been out into the country.
He had never been up to this part of the United States, the
East coast, the mountains, you know, and he was really interested in
going camping. And like I said, I was sixteen. My brother,
my little brother's name was Rob. He was thirteen, and John he was
a year older than I was, so he was seventeen. So it's me,
my little brother, Rob, and John. I remember us talking in
school and us planning on camping trip, and we went ahead and planned it
for the weekend. Well before I get into that, I'll kind of pinch
a picture of the lay of the land. The lay of the land was
like this. My mother and father had bought a double wide and on the
side of a hill down in a haller. My dad, he's his specialty
was actually cutting building pads out of side of mountains and doing a road dirt
work and stuff like that, and later on in my life that's what I
learned how to do. But if you can imagine looking down a valley and
one on the right side of the valley, you cut a backwards l out
of the side of that mountain, and that's where we base our double wide.
Now, behind our double wide was kind of steep, and at that
point our double wide had only been there about a year or year and a
half, maybe not even that long. But I do remember that the dirt
there was still no foliage plants or anything growing up directly behind the double wide,
going up the mountain. Well up the mountain behind our double wide was
the camping spot, and me and my brother had gone up there and scouted
out a couple times, and we had actually went up there a few times
and camped and we'd never had anything happen up there, nothing suspicious, anything
like that. So if you went down the road, the main road it's
called Hollow Road, it's off of Route four sixty. You'll go down a
hill into this holler and it basically just goes straight and then down an incline
and then it levels out. You go about a quarter to a half a
mile maybe three quarters of a mile down that road, and then if you
look to the right, the road that you're driving on is on the left
side of the valley, and the valley you know, as you're driving that
you would take a right to go down into our driveway. And our driveway
went down and it meandered to the right just a bit, and it had
a circular driveway that my mom and dad really really was proud of. But
behind that to the left was an old logging road or an access road to
something, and it went up to the top of the mountain. It had
been grown over a little bit, but there were some saplings and some longer
grass, taller grass that kind of covered it. But you could still see
the pathway of where the two wheels of something had went up and down that
thing quite a few times. So from my double wide, if you went
up that trail or that path little road, it's basically all woods and it's
very dense. You probably go half a mile to three quarters of a mile
up this pree. I mean it's not it's pretty steep, but it's not
steep enough to where you couldn't drive say a four by four up. So
we decided that was probably a good way to get to the spot that we
were going. And once you got to the top of that, there was
a clearing. It was probably i would say, approximately one hundred yard radius
of clearing, and we just called it the Bald Spot. I mean,
it's just what we called it. So once you kind of get that in
your mind, just imagine at the at the top of this mountain, there's
a there's a clearing, and there's a road that connects that clearing all the
way down that kind of enters down the mountain down to our driveway. And
we never used it for like automobiles or anything like that, but we definitely
used it for the for scouting. And I think my dad had taken me
squirrel hunting up there once or twice too, And uh, it was just
a cool place that me and my brother used to hang out when things got
rough in the house. If mom and dad were you know, arguing or
something, you know, we'd go there and hang out. It wouldn't went
a very far hike that it was someplace that we just liked. But anyway,
so on this day of the encounter, my friend rode the bus home
with us. We were all attending summer school at that point, and I
can't remember if it was just a half a day that we went or I
don't think it was a whole day, but it was just a few hours.
I think they just get there. I think there the whole whole reason
why my mom and dad even made us go was to get us out of
their hair. But I remember we either got off of the bus or his
grandmother brought John over there. To be honest with you, I cannot remember
which one it was, but anyway, he got there. We planned our
trip pretty well. We got all three tenths, We had separate tents.
We made sure we had our hot dog skewers. And when I say hot
dog skewers, I'm not saying the traditional ones that you can buy Walmart.
Talk about ones that we carved. So we got those, got a football,
got some things, and it started up the hill and I just remember
looking at my brother. You know, he's having a tough time. He
was a little hefty back then, and he's having kind of a tough time
going up the mountain, and the sweat was just bubbling off of his forehead.
Four little guy. But we finally got up to the spot, and
I would say it was probably five thirty or six o'clock in the evening by
the time we got there, and we had previously built a fire pit with
some rocks. And to this day, I don't know if this is connected
or not, but every single time that we went up there and we went
to that spot, our fire pit was messed up. Something or someone had
come up there and moved those rocks around to the point of where we had
to go find them again or find new ones and build the pit all over
again. So I remember when we first got there, we put our tents
up, made our sleeping bags, and rebuilt the fire pit. Well,
by that time, it was starting to get dark, so we all three
kind of went our separate ways, and we all went out to get kenln
and wood for the fire, and we all voted that it would be my
responsibility to feed the fire all night. Not sure how that how I lost
that vote, but I was the guy that had to feed the fire,
so I said, behind my tent was the woodpile. And from there on
then on out we passed the football around a little bit, held some jokes,
laughed, you know, just cutting up being teenagers. And it became
nighttime and I would say ten o'clock, maybe ten thirty. We're all sitting
around the fire and we have our hot dogs on our little carb skewers.
I remember my brother had one hot dog on his. I had two on
my John had two on his. I'm pretty sure that was the right number.
Well, either John or my brother Rob mentioned, hey, you think
you might want to get some fire, and I was like, sure,
okay, I'll grab some. So I put my stick down. It was
my hot dog, put it on the little little branch that looked like a
y kind of almost like a fishing pole thing. But anyway, I went
back picked up some logs, a couple of them about I don't know,
maybe wrist diameter, probably three or four of those, and as soon as
I raised up, something came through the foliage and I thought it was an
acorn. Now why an acorn would be flying sideways, I really don't know,
but we were very used to the acorns falling in that part of the
forest there, and you would hear them all the time, hit the leaves,
you know, the sound of it. So I raised up, and
like I said, something came by me, and it was probably a good
foot and a half to the right of me, in between the tent and
me. Now I'm facing the fire, and our tent configuration is I imagine
a circle in the middle that's your fire pit, and in a triangle shape
was each of our tents. And whatever that was that came through, it
went straight into the fire. So it came through, it came by my
head, it hit a bunch of foliage, sounded, and then it hit
the fire. So I'm thinking instantly, somebody's up here messing with us.
And the first person that came to my mind was my father. He was
kind of a practicer. Every now and then he would pull a little prank
here in there and give us a little scare, take us out for you
know, doing snipe hunting and stuff like that. He was kind of a
prankic heer. And I'm thinking, you know, my dad's behind the bushes
over there, throwing rocks or something at us, you know. So I
turned around and I'm like, hey, all right now. I was like,
who's over there messing with us? And nobody answered, and i'ment,
hmm, okay. So I turned back around and my brother kind of had
this little look on his face like what was that, you know? And
I took about two steps, and on my second step, right before my
foot hit the ground, here another thing comes from the same direction, from
behind my tent in the bushes, passed in between my tent and my head.
This time it was closer, and it came through the foliage, hit
a couple of leaves, and then this time it hit beside the fire.
It wasn't in the fire, and we went so this time we could tell
what it was and it was a rock. It was a rock, probably
as big as a golf ball. And I would say that it was very
fresh picked out and freshly picked out of the ground, because when I kind
of looked at it or whatever, I was still kind of frozen, but
I could see it. It was right there in front of me, and
you could see the new dirt on it. I'm thinking, to myself,
what any world is this. That's not an acorn, that's a rock.
Somebody is definitely throwing stuff at it. Somebody's up here messing with us.
So I started to turn my head towards where the rock came from, and
I didn't get all the way around when this whatever, this thing was made
a scream that. I mean, this is the things that those nightmares were
made of. Like this is the beginning of them. You know, you
always hear the screen and then something chaseness with the screen, And if you
can imagine the only reference I can really if the listeners here is if you've
ever seen a Jurassic Park movie and heard the t rex yell out that that
bellowing very deep but kind of I don't know that screen that it does.
Now, if you was to pair that with the low frequencies of like say
a gator, Now, if you've ever heard a gator do a grumble,
those things are super low and even as I've heard that infrasound, it can
produce infrasound, which is a very low frequency that not many humans well I
don't think any humans can hear it, but super low frequency that causes all
kinds of different effects on people. But there it went from the low grumble
to this loud, high pitched siren almost sound that like basically just moved everything
inside my body, like every organ it shook it, if you can imagine.
I've been to a couple really loud concerts in my lifetime being a musician.
My dad took me to a few when I was a kid, But
the loudest one that I'd ever been to was a Metallica concert in Rowano nineteen
ninety nine. We were sitting up on the top row and the group that
I was with decide to go down onto the floor where the general mission people
were. So we went down there and made our way all the way to
the stage. And the way Metallica does it is there's stages in the middle,
but they're subwifers. They put them in that middle state to where the
closer you get, the harder you can fill that rumble and that base hit.
And I'm telling you what, when I was down there at that concert,
that base was hitting me pretty hard and it was making me feel sick
even But it does not hold a candle to the sound and the rumble that
this thing like made, you know, to us, and I would say
that this thing was at least by the volume and by kind of just where
it was or whatever. I would say it was at least twenty five yards
a way, maybe closer. I doubt it because couldn't see it, but
it was pitch black out there, so I'm not really sure. I never
did see this thing, but it was loud, and it probably the duration
was probably eight to ten seconds, and I'm talking about full blown lung capacity
bellowing out this siren scream that I mean, it took me by surprise.
I mean, it changed my whole life, that screen did. But back
to the story after the screen was done. Well, during the screen,
I'm sorry, During the screen, probably halfway through, I looked to my
left to see if my brother was okay, and just to look at him,
and his face looked like, I mean, white as a sheet of
paper. And John was like creeping up, like getting up from his position,
like creeping towards the road, like in a very slow manner. And
then as this thing kind of tapered off and it stopped, we could kind
of hear the bushes or something moving, and I immediately went straight to my
brother, grabbed his hand, and my thought process was, we've got to
I've got to get my brother away from this thing. Like at this point,
like I wasn't even thinking about myself. I just wanted to get my
little brother away from it. And the best thing that I knew how to
do was go from point A to point B. And that was straight down
the hill. That's not you know, that's not hitting that little access road,
because that little access road was probably thirty forty yards from where a camp
was. Maybe closer well no, let me let me let me rephrase that
that was, or let me resay that it was. At least it was
about twenty twenty five yards away. It was closer than than what I thought,
but it seemed like it was a long way away at that point.
And I figured if we tried to go for the access road, it had
a lot of clearing that, you know, no trees to like kind of
have to jug around or anything. It had a lot of clearing to close
the distance between it and us. So instead of going down that access road,
I turned directly left and started down this dark, black hill that we
couldn't see anything. So I've got my arm, my left arm up over
my face and my brow trying to keep the branches from from hit my eyeballs
and stuff, and put my eyes out in my other hand, my right
hand was around my brother's wrist as tight as it would go, dragging him
down this hill. Now, there was a few times where we had been
exploring up on that hill and we had found this old, rusted barbed wire
fence partially intact. It wasn't it wasn't fully intact. It was very old.
If I was to say, run into one of the posts or just
grab it and push it a little bit, it would probably break. That's
how old this thing was. But it was still there, and there was
still parts of it there, and there was parts of it that was intact
and parts of it that wasn't intact. And the only thing that I'm thinking
going down this hill is number one, get away from this thing. Number
two, hold on to my brother, and number three, don't run into
the barbed wire fence. Well, I'll pause in the story right there and
tell you about the creature. Okay, So that's our position in the story.
So let's rewind. And the creature, whatever this thing was, that
was behind us, okay. So it was in the bushes and threw the
rocks. It let out that crazy I don't scream, growl siren thing,
and we could hear it coming towards us, like the instant instant we heard
it rustle in the bushes coming towards us like that, that was our instinct
to leave. But from then on, like every time that we would fall
down, there was a period of like almost silence, and you could hear
this thing stomping down the mountain and breaking trees coming after us, Like I
don't want to say, I don't know how far it was behind us,
but we felt several times, but we instantly got back up and kept running.
And this thing you could feel almost you could almost feel the footfall.
This thing was heavy, whatever it was, it was very heavy, and
you could hear a very labored breathing with almost like a touch of pneumonia,
if you can imagine that, like if you breathe, if you're very congested
in your chest. Hopefully you don't ever get sick in the future, but
if you do blow all your air out and about three chords away, you'll
start getting this really really, I don't know, just rough like breathing like
you got like like it's very congested breathing. But that's what we could hear,
was this congested breathing. And every now and it would kind of huff
like, you know, but mostly it was the breathing. It didn't growl
or make any other kind of noise besides that one or two little huffs it
did, but it was on our tail. And so we're going down the
mountain and it comes up to the point to where I need to start looking
for this fence, but I don't want to slow down, and I don't
want to let go of my brother. My brother is screaming and crying at
this point. I've literally dragged him down the mountain. His shins were all
scraped up. Well anyway, So we get to the point where we're at
that fence, or where I thought the fence was, and I thought there
was an opening, and there was, but we didn't quite clear it.
Well, I cleared it, my brother's knee didn't. His knee caught one
of the barbs or something and it ripped it up pretty pretty awful. And
now I didn't know that at the time, and I don't think he did
either, just because of the whole you know, the whole experience and us
being chased at that point, and the adrenaline was just i mean, going
through our veins like water you know, But we eventually came came down to
the opening where and if you could imagine again where I at the beginning where
I was explaining how Dad cut that backwards L out of the out of the
mountain. Just just imagine a from the top right, like if you're looking
at us a a computer monitor, All right, look at the top right
corner and just draw a diagonal line all the way down to the lower left
corner. And then within that line, you've got the top half, which
is you know, your air sky whatever space, and you got ground on
the lower half. Now, if you take a backwards L right in the
middle of that and just cut a backwards L two or three inches down two
or three inches over, that is what the building pad looked like. And
the right side of the horizontal I'm sorry, the vertical L was slamming it
a bit, because you know, obviously you can't have like a just a
cliff behind your house. So Dad had kind of skimmed it off and trimmed
it off to where it was almost almost straight up and down. But you
could get up and down it if you were like on your hands knees,
like you know, crawled out. You could basically crawl up this thing,
but it got steeper as it went down, so like when we hit that
clearing, the tree stopped. We started sliding down the dirt or what and
then basically just like kept sliding and kept sliding until we hit the bottom.
And at one point I had to put my brother on my back. It
was right there before we came out of the clearing, but I let him
down and we went down the dirt. We ran around the left side of
the from the back to the front of the double wide. We had a
deck, so we had to run up the deck. And while we were
running up the deck, here comes John around the other the other end.
I thought we'd lost him. I only thought of him one time during that
whole trip down the mountain and that and that was one I'd looked at him
and seen him creeping away. I didn't see him after that. He just
disappeared. So later on though, he told me that he had taken that
access road and just ran down the road. So if you could imagine,
we got there faster than he did, you know, and we're going through
trees and everything else, and he's he's just going down a road with like
little saplings and stuff. He You know, you would have thought that he
would have made it there first, but no, we got there first,
and then he showed up two or three seconds later. But still that kind
of gives you an idea of like how fast we'd going down that mountain.
And we beat on the door. My brother was crying. He's crying,
please, please hurry up, you know, please hurry up. Open the
door, please, I'm screaming open the door. Door's locked. Obviously,
I guess they had an adult mic without us there and didn't expect us back.
Finally, my dad came to the door and opened the door up,
and we all kind of ran by him or whatever and fell it down in
the middle of the floor, and he's like, what in the world is
going on with you guys? And for five or ten minutes, I couldn't
even catch my breath, even telling my brother's just sitting there screaming and crying
holding his knee. John is in the floor also, he's crying at this
point, just sitting there, rocking back and forth, and Dad just keeps
asking us, like, what's going on? What's going on? And I
finally got it out and told him what happened. He you know, I
loved my dad a lot, you know, but he could be naive sometimes,
and he, you know, we told him that story, and obviously
his two sons and their friend was sitting there in the middle of the floor,
I mean, completely freaked out. Something had happened to us. At
least, you know, he knew that, but but no, instead he
gave us a little kick on and said, oh, it's probably just a
bear. Well, okay, probably just a bear. It was not a
bear. I'm telling you right now. A bart does not have the lung
capacity and neither does anything else that I know of animal wise to put out
a scream like that. And then nothing that I know of that is in
this area, predator or not, is heavy enough to produce the footfall and
breaking all those trees down as it was coming down the mountain. There's nothing
I know of that can do that. Nothing. But eventually Dad got us
calmed down, and you know, we tried to give him some details,
and he just seemed like he just didn't believe us. So my bedroom was
facing the direction that we came down the hill. I'm sorry my bedroom window
was My bedroom was also on that same side but the bedroom window and my
bed was right the side of it. And when it was time to quote
unquote go to bed, I did not want to go to bed, but
but back it up just to just a tad. Right after we told my
dad what had happened, ye gave us that little giggle and laughing this and
that. It just bothers me in this day that he he didn't believe us,
you know. But anyway, he said, well, well, well
so you guys came down off that matt you didn't put the fire out.
And I said, really, that's what you're worried about the fire. He's
like, well, somebody's gonna go up there and put that fire out.
And he said, one of you guys are going with me. So he
pretty much chose me, and it was my responsibility. I did invite invited
John up up there, and it was you know, I was the one
who curated this whole camping trip, so it was my responsible ability to go
with it. Well, he finally got me to agree, but I told
him, I said, I'm not getting out. So we got a five
gallon bucket. He filled it up with water from a spickeot there outside.
We got into his old F one fifty, and we put it in granny
gear and went up the access road. Now, if you can imagine on
this axis road, now, when you go up this mountain, the clearing,
the ball spot is going to be on your right as you pull up.
Well, I'm on that side. I'm in the passenger side, you
know, uh, F one fifty. It's not a crew cab, not
an extended cab. It's just that seat, that one seat that goes across.
So it's me and my dad, and my dad had grabbed his I'd
noticed he'd grabbed his three fifty seven magnum. Maybe not a magnum, I'm
not really sure. I had the long barrel on it had a Camo grip.
Pretty nice guy, and I wish I had it now, but I
noticed he had that, and uh, I would slid down in the seat.
I did. I didn't want to see out the window or anything else.
And I finally noticed that we'd come up to the top, and uh,
he said, money, you gonna get out? And I said,
please, Dad, don't make me, Please don't make me. I begged
him. I did not want to get out of that truck. And he
said, all right. So he grabbed his gun and he put it in
his right hand, and with his left hand he grabbed the bucket out of
the back of the truck. And if you didn't imagine a little kid in
their bed at night, you know, uh, it's all dark, and
they got the covers pulled up over their nose, just blow their eye.
That's kind of what I was. I was looking like peeking up over the
door panel at the campsite, you know, I'm just kind of skinning my
you know, from left to right, trying to figure out this thing still
out there, you know, And and I'm begging Dad. I'm telling him,
saying, Dad, please hurry, please hurry, Please get back in
this truck. I don't want you to get hurt. Please God. Well,
at that point, he goes around, he takes the bucket and he
throws it on there onto the fire. But before he does, I'm looking
at our homemade skewers out there, and not one hot dog was left on
those things. And if you remember at the at the first I had two,
my brother had one, John had two. That's five. That's five
hot dogs total, and nobody had taken any bites out of them because they
were still cooking while the rock was thrown at us. And at that point,
you know, when we started running down the mountain, we dropped them
like, I mean, well, mine was on the little the little bish
and poel holder, why kind of deal, and my brother and John dropped
him and they just left. We left. Well, when I was looking
scanning from left right, there was no hot dogs on that on that thing.
I don't know if that's connected or not. I don't want to reach
and say, oh, yeah, that's got to be that's got to be
it. You know, that's that's where he was after the hot dogs.
You know, I don't believe it. Uh, but I mean, it
could have been something else, could have been something else, but it was
awful suspicious that those things were gone. Well said to continue the Sorry my
dad, he uh, he dumped the bucket, put the fire out,
got back in the truck. He went back down to the house. We
talked a little bit, and he told me right before I got out of
the truck not to tell anybody about this. I don't remember when we talked
the other day I told you that or not, but I did remember that
detail. He told me not to tell anybody about this. And I said,
okay, Dad, And that was the last we ever spoke of it.
And my brother that night went to the hospital got some stitches at his
knee, and me and John for John and I, we we spent the
night in the living room because I refused to go and sleep in my room
with that window facing the hill the mountain. I didn't want to see what
that was. I didn't want to look out that window in the middle of
the night waking up and see I'm facing the window. I didn't. I
didn't want that. And probably for the next two weeks I stayed out on
the couch just because of that, until my mom made me go back in
there and stay. But but that's it. That's that is that encounter.
Okay, second encounter my dad had met a lady and had gotten together with
her after my mom and dad's divorce, which was when I was It was
after that encounter that he had met a lady and she had lived in Salem,
and we moved there first. It was about an hour away. It
was it's about ten minutes out of Rohwanoak running up being one of the bigger
landmarks in cities around where we lived there and Eventually he went out. He
played a lot of pool at night. So he met this guy that owned
some property and he wanted to be able to go to that property and move
to that property. But before we could, there were some people in that
house that the lease hadn't expired yet. So we had to find a month
to month place to kind of to live there until we got to that place
that you wanted to go. And it was and we found a place and
it was called Snug Harbor. Now you can look a look us up on
Google Earth and if you find Menita, Virginia, you'll find Route one going
from I think it's east to west, but I'm not sure it might be
west to east. But anyway, if you go from Goodview, Virginia towards
Menita, you'll come up on Route twenty two. Well you take that right,
and if you take that right, seven or eight miles down the road
is a bridge that goes over the lake. Some developers had made that into
a marina and all sorts of different things. There was several restaurants there.
I ended even up working there a little while in the future and doing like
jet ski rentals and stuff like that. But it was called Bridgewater Plaza,
and about two miles before you got to Bridgewater Plaza on the left was a
residential development called Snug Harbor. Now, Snug Harbor had a well today if
you look on Google Earth, it's pretty developed now it was back then when
we lived there. There was two maybe three people that lived in that hole,
that whole Snug Harbor residential place, and the rest of it was woods
like it is, like straight up dense woods and uh. Well, anyway,
so you turn off to the left into Snug Harbor and you get down
this little road and you take it another left, and you go a couple
of miles out that way, and at the end of the cult de Sac
right to the left was our driveway and our house was. My dad always
used to call it the gingerbread house because it was painted blue and all like
the trimming and everything was white, and it looked just like a gingerbread house,
but it was blue. Anyway, one night, my brother had went
to one of his friend's house, which was about fifteen minutes away, and
I was the only person that drove at that point. I think my dad
had dropped him off earlier that day or earlier the day before. I can't
remember, but my dad called me down. It was about ten o'clock and
he said, hey, can you go get your brother, he's over at
Tony's house. And I said sure, And so I got my stuff,
Freddy and everything and got in the cart I had bought that year. I
was working on a job with my dad with this place called Commonwealth excavating the
pipeline. And I was doing a bunch of pipeline work and my car had
spat out on me. So I had to find another one, and luckily,
one of my coworkers was selling his nineteen eighty one Toyota Silica Supra and
it had a manual and I loved it. I would take that thing up
and down that dirt road that we lived on and just fishtail, I mean
all day. It was great. It was probably the funnest, the most
fun car that I've ever owned. And it was built, I mean it
was built tough, like we'd ran into several trees with it, and it
didn't even dent it, not at top speed, full speed or anything like
that. Just love speeds, but still it did not dent that car.
But anyway, so I got into the car, started up, I'm going
out. You know, I'm probably one hundred two hundred, maybe maybe two
hundred and fifty yards out the road. I'm still a couple of miles from
the from the left, from the right that we had to get on the
main road out of Stuck Harbor. And I started to hear the leaves and
some branches crack, and I had my windows about halfway down, and I
had the radio on just tack just a little bit, just for background ambience
or whatever. But I heard something off to my right, and I didn't
see anything. I may or may not have seen somebody shine. I don't
know. My memory says that I might have, but I can't really say
that I did. But you could hear this thing walking, you know.
We had a lot of squirrels out there, and squirrels were some of the
noisiest animals out there in those woods, and you you would think a dang
army was coming at you if there was enough squirrels playing in the leaves,
you know. And I just brush it off. I was thinking, Okay,
well that's just a squirrel, or maybe it's even a deer. But
it seemed kind of suspicious because it felt it sounded like bipedal movement. Swish
twush twush, you know, had a cadence to it. But I kind
of brushed it off, and you know, just like anybody with a rational
mind would, you know, and chalked it up as something else. So
I continued on down the road and went down the road finally picked my brother
up. My brother and I was like, man, I think there's some
deer something over you know, I'm pretty sure I heard something over there near
the house. And he was like, well, maybe we'll see it when
we get back in. You know. He was he was an animal lover.
My brother's past now, but he he was. He was a He
had a very bright soul. I mean, I loved him dearly, and
then there was days where I hated him, these cuts, you know.
But he was very fond of animals, and anytime that there was mention that
any kind of animal being sighted, he wanted to see it. And later
on in his life he moved down to Florida. And this is kind of
a funny thing tidbit here, but he moved down to Florida and I went
down to visit him for a little while, and he had jumped on the
back of a baby alligator and drug it out of the swamp. I mean,
he caught all kinds of little things, and he used to post things
on Facebook, saying the catch of the week, and he had this little
baby duck one week, and then he found several lizards and stuff like that.
But anyway, that's kind of the person he was. But a su
As I mentioned the deer, he's wanting to see it, you know.
So we get back and it wasn't quite to the spot where we were where
I was the first time I heard the noise. We were probably a good
four hundred yards five hundred yards from that, And this time I heard it
on the right side, which coming in would be the opposite side of what
I heard it the first time I came out. Well, I don't I
can't remember what it was, but we heard it, heard something snap or
something happened, I can't remember. But I was down on the floorboard,
either fishing for a cigarette or trying to get a CD, I cannot remember
for the life of me. But Robbie said, many stop the car.
Look, look, look, look, look, you gotta see the thing,
man, Look. And when my eyes came up, I caught his
face first, his face, I mean was oh lord, it looked like
he had seen a ghost. But then I went from right to left with
my eyes and I just caught the back end of this thing going out of
the headlight range into the darkness. It had crossed in front of the car.
And my brother kept saying, dude, I think I just saw a
bigfoot or something or a monster. I don't know what that thing is,
you know, And I was like, I don't know, man, because
the only thing I saw was the back end of it, the back end
of it being And I'll try to paint a good picture for you here.
If you imagine you're on a dirt road flat, but you have trees on
both sides. It's a very narrow road. It's just about enough for two
cars to pass, and about twenty five to thirty feet maybe a little bit
further in front of you. You know, you've got where your head lights
shine. Well, my headlights were pretty messed up. They had been through
the river, so they're very cloudy, and I didn't have a very good
shine on those things, so it was already dim, and I had a
hard time at night, you know, looking out of the windshield getting where
I was going just because of how dim those things were in the first place.
But when I saw this thing, the back half of its body was
stepping out of the threshold of the light and where it was so dark,
and where my eyes I guess couldn't really adjust from light to dark that quickly.
This thing seemed like it just vanished, like it basically took one more
step, because I heard it. Well, I heard basically three steps,
but only saw like a silhouette step the second time out of the light.
But I'll go ahead and give you a description on what I saw, and
we'll go from the feet up. The right leg of the creature was still
in the headlights, like it had already stepped with its left foot into the
darkness. So the left foot I did not see. I didn't see its
face, I didn't see the like the first half of the front of its
body. I didn't see that. But from if you can imagine from maybe
the middle of its rib cage on the side, or if you was to
draw a lot, I'm down a side profile of a creature like that,
I saw the back end of that. Now the thing was all right.
So from the feet up, the foot and and I got to thinking about
when we were talking the other night, how I explained that foot to you,
and I got it backwards because I looked up some feet of dogs and
stuff like that. I don't own a dog, so I looked up some
you know, the legs and stuff like that, and what I'd actually explained
to any of the opposite of the way it was. So the way I
explained before was that the planet grade part of the front of the foot was
longer, and it was actually shorter. It was probably ten inches ten inches
long, and that's the front part where the toes touch the planet grade end
of it. And then it comes up and then it comes up in an
angle not forty to see, yeah, see, ninety degree would be it
would be a forty five. Let's see what's between forty five Probably a twenty
degree angle from the flat part of the foot up, okay, and then
it angled back again in a forty five degree angle like a square, almost
went up into the where the knee area was, and then it zig zagged
back diagonally up into the thigh. Now I didn't see a tail on it.
It didn't seem to have a tail. But the the foot, the
way that the fingernails were coming off of the foot or the toenails. I
want to say that they looked like talons. But if you can imagine like
a talon that's been put on, maybe like the pointy end, put it
onto a grinder and kind of work it back and forth, like it'll kind
of get that flat kind of shaped to it. It looked like the I
could see the front the big toe, the big toenail, and it would
it came straight off the toe and went straight down like in a curved motion,
straight down, curved over the end of the toe, and it looked
like it had like been ground off, like as it stepped through the wilderness
or whatever like it it might have one time, if it would have put
its legs up for six months and never touched the ground, it probably would
have sharp talents. But with it going through what it did, it made
sense, like when I thought about it later, of white looked that way.
I could see the first one and just a tad bit of the second
one. But the bottom of the feet's feet feats, the bottom of the
feet did not have any kind of hair on it. The skin color was
like an ash, like if you were to make a fire then later on
you got the ash if you mix it up good that good like matt gray
kind of color. That's the color of the skin. And then it had
black, very coarse hairs, like coming from the top of like its foot.
It was on the top of its foot and it almost looked like it
was covering the side or whatever. But then when it came up the foot
from where the planet grade part was to the angled part where it came up
into those like the dog kind of bend or whatever, it didn't have as
much hair. It kind of thinned out a little bit. But then as
it went up the calf portion, it started to get a lot of hair
and it started to go from like an inch of squiggly, little raggedy hairs
to pretty coarse, pretty thick hair went up and then then it just started
getting The hairs just started getting longer and longer as it went up the body.
But it seemed the hair looked like it was like it almost like dreadlocked.
Now I don't want to say it looked like traditional dreadlocks, because obviously
you know it wouldn't look like that, but if you can imagine, I'll
pay pat you another picture. We used to have a chowel, and it
was about three years old. And we could not keep that thing groomed.
Uh. It didn't matter how many times we brushed the things for it did
not matter. It would get these clumps and these like corn row looking things,
matted, just matted hair clumped at it all over it all the time,
and we just couldn't do it, you know, without shaving the dog
completely. Made it look ridiculous. That's what it looked like. But this
this creature had that that stuff all over it, like especially right around like
the waist and lower back. It had sticks and foliage and all kinds of
stuff. It looked like it had got wet, got rolled around in the
mud like maybe stagnant pond mud, okay, because that's a little bit thicker
than normal mud, and uh, and got it all over them and then
went out into the sun, got it baked onto them, and then went
and did the whole process again. And that's what it looked like. There
was clumps of that stuff all over this thing, and the lower portion of
its foot looked like it was wet like it I could almost could I could
almost guarantee you that it left like a footprint of witness. Now, that's
how close we were to the lake. We had a lake access that was
not too far from there, a couple hundred yards actually, And the direction
it was coming from looked like it was coming from the lake, so you
know that. Deducing all that, I came to the conclusion that it was
probably wading in the water, maybe looking for something before it had come up
and crossed our path. But the waist was small, but then it went
up into a huge torso like this thing would make Ornld Schwarzenegger in his heyday
look like a kindergartener. Like this thing, its torso was huge like and
really, I think when my eyes came up from the feet and saw that
portion of the creature, that's really what started. That's that's what made my
heart drop out of my chest. It was just the sheer size of this
thing. Now, as far as the arms go, I saw the back
end of the left arm from about its midway down it's bicep muscle area down
to its hand. Now, its arms weren't as muscular as as what you
would think. The things were like really long and spedly, and it had
like it's its hand was like almost curled up like it was in a like
a semi fist. But if it would have straightened its arm out from like
the bent position that it had it in, it could have it it could
have touched the ground like that's and one of the reasons was is because the
posture the animal was it was it almost reminded me of the Hunchback of Notre
Dame, like that animated series on how that guy's posture was. That's what
it looked like this thing was doing like it looked like the from its waist
to where its ribcage started like it was going straight up, but then it
like bent over, like like its shoulders were like pushed forward, and I
could see the pointedness of an ear that looked like it was about six inches
long. I'm kind to think of any kind of other details I can think
of. The hand, it looked like a human's hand. The hand looked
human. It had hair on top of the hand, on top of the
finger down to about the knuckle and then oh, and the the toenail was
it was completely black, just like its fingernails where now it's finger nails were
a little bit longer than say a human's, and they looked super thick,
like if you if you had some force with his fingernail and put them on
your fingernails and slashed at somebody, like it would grip your skin open.
Like that's how thick and sharp these things looked. I don't really remember any
other details, like I said, only said on the back of it.
Now, my brother. My brother said that he saw the face of it,
and he said that it almost looked like almost like a bad boon snout.
I guess, he said, but he really couldn't tell, because he
said. The only reason why he said that is because the hair you could
kind of see it, like the way it laid on top of it.
But like he said, it looked like this thing had a mop on the
top of its head, like it like a black mop. He said,
he had long flowing hair, but it was like all matted up and you
couldn't see it like face face. He said. He couldn't see his eye
or his eyes, but he did see like some stuff dripping from his mouth.
And think of any other detail I can give you. I can't really
remember. Our conversation has been such a long time ago. She was still
alive bout ask him. But that's about all I can remember is of details
now. As soon as this thing stepped into the darkness, it took three
more steps. The first step that he took out of the headlight, I
could see the silhouette and then it disappeared. And when he when I didn't
see it, this thing was blacker than the black, Like it almost looked
like it could suck up all the blackness around it, like it was so
dark like it was it was weirdly, very very strangely dark black. Anyway,
I snapped out of it. You know, I'm sitting there frozen at
this point, and Robbie's Robbie has already been telling me for a couple of
seconds, like go, go go. I didn't really even let it register
until like this thing was out of my sight and I could actually, yeah,
concentrate on like what what the heck happened? You know? And the
only thing I could hear with Robbie said go go, go go. So
I hit the gas. I hit the gas, and I went first,
second, third, fourth, and we probably, I mean, we were
going at an unbelievable speed for that car and that road that I should have
never you know, it was very dangerous and I don't condone anybody to ever
do that. But we got to the house and by the time we got
there, Dad and his girlfriend's asleep, so we never really had a chance
to talk to him about that that night. Now, if he was awake,
I would have definitely talk to him about it, But the next day
he'd gotten up in a bad mood and kind of set the mood for the
day, and I decided not to tell him that day, and I from
then on out, I just kind of left it, you know why,
I bring up something else and have him laugh at me again. I just
didn't want to hear it, you know. And me and my brother stayed
up all night that night talking about that thing. He drew a picture at
one point we lost it. I don't know where it ever went. But
I'm right now as I'm talking, actually working on my sketch of this thing.
I want to I'm doing a sketch of this of what I saw,
the part of half his body being in the headlights, half of it the
dark road that we were going down. I'm AMA's done with it, and
hopefully it'll be a good rendition of what I saw. But that's that's pretty
much it from that point. On. Me and my brother kind of talked
about it here and there when we saw each other, but we never really
told anyone else. You know, what am I supposed to say? Yeah,
we saw a monster. I mean, that's basically what it was.
It was a monster. I didn't know what the hega was, you know,
and upuntil a few days ago, I thought it was just a monster.
And you know, with some of the details and stuff that I've been
kind of researching here lately, it falls into the dog man category. I
mean, there's no doubt about it in my mind. But uh, that's
pretty much it. I'm not really sure what else to give you on that
one. That's pretty much. It really is a shame you had to go
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I'm so sorry to hear about you losing Rob. How did you pass
away? My father in twenty twelve passed away and left my brother and I
his mobile home, and I already had a home at that times and my
brother didn't, so I just went ahead and just gave it to him,
and a couple months after he moved in him it was him and his fiance
and his little winter dog. And well, anyway, his stove was messed
up, and a lot of people's stoves, where you turn the knob,
there's like a safety thing to where you can't go from low directly to high.
You have to go all the way around to get to that. But
there were something was messed up with the stovey one that he was using,
and you could you could just bump in. It would go directly from low
to high and it would just there was a lot of times we'd caught it,
you know, burning or whatever, and thank god, it never did
anything. But we turned it off there and I don't know why he never
got fixed, but he just didn't. But he had cooked, he had
what was it, He had deep fried some corn dogs or whatever, and
after he was done, he had bumked that thing. Didn't know about it.
His girlfriend or his fiance is in the shower, the dog is under
the covers. Okay, you have to get from their bedroom past the kitchen
to get to the main outside door. But right, if you look right
directly across from the kitchen, there's a back door that you can kind of
go out. It's like three or four feet and you step in your outside
on the back porch. Well, he had left the thing on, left
the eye on accidentally. He's out in the garden picking some carrots. While
she's in the thing, Awesome smoke come up. So he went in to
see what was going on. And the whole house is basically filled up with
smoke at this point, and he sees where you know, the the eye
had caught the grease on fire. Well, he goes through the fire basically,
well, it's not a huge fire at this point, he could pass
the fire into the bedroom, grabs a blanket off of his his bed and
threw it in a shower with her, told her what was going on,
wrapped her up in that wet blanket, and basically carried her out of there
and went back into the house. Got the dog, saved him, went
and put him outside with her. Went back into the house. At that
point, he had these uh you know how some plots and pans have that
hard plastic handle. Well that had gotten so hot that he figured he could
just grabbed the pot that was on fire take those three steps to the back
door and throw it out, and that would be that. Well, when
he grabbed that handle, it melted onto his hand and he proceeded to drop
this grease fire and it went all over him and basically went like his whole
right side of his body from his pectoral muscle down was third degree burned.
They flew him to I think it was a Duke university, to the burn
center, and he stayed there for months, and finally he beat it.
Like from everybody's miracle, he beat it. But with him having so much
skin and everything burnt off of him, he easily got MRSA and the MRSA.
He he fought it, battled it for like a year and almost died
several times, but finally finally beat that. Well. A few late years
later, I was telling you he moved to Florida. Well, he moved
down to Florida, and he asked me to come down there and spend the
last couple months with him because he had talked to the doctor and the mercer
was back, and there's there wasn't any way he could stop it. It
was just so bad that even the the super antibiotics that they were giving him
just it was just sustaining him, and if he was to miss one day
of it, the sepsis would basically take over his body. And I was
I went up to visit my mom in Virginia and his fiance called and said,
Hey, he's in the hospital. He's not breathing, he's on everything.
And I told her, I was like, what are you? Put
him on the phone. I spoke my piece to him. She said,
I don't think he's gonna make it, And within an hour or two she
called back and he was gone. And that's that's how that worked. Man,
It's pretty bad. He you know, he saved her and saved the
little RC, his little winderdog, and then saved my dad's house. I
mean, he he was so worried about that house that he gave him that
he, you know, had to go back in and sell and just letting
it burn up and collecting insurance money. He wanted the house that Dad left.
So that's how I explained it to me. Wow, money, I
am so sorry. Your brother. He was a hero, Yeah, he
was. I really regarded him as that. Yeah. He it was brave.
He was brave. Man. I don't know if I could have went
in there. He said, it was roaring in there too. Man,
I just don't know if I could have done it. Oh I bet it
was roaring. Well, you know, like I said, he really was
a hero. God bless him. Thank you. Oh no, you're welcome.
Just don't like it is. Well many, I've got a laundry list
of questions to ask you, but we're out of time. Would you be
up for coming back for a part two next week? Yes? I would,
Yes, I would love that. That would be my honor to come
on here. We'll do that. Then we'll bring you back and I'll have
tons of questions for you and we'll take it from there. Then all right,
then, all right, Well, as always, thanks again so much
for your time, and have a great night.