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At at. Tonight's guest is Mony
Tickle MONI. Welcome to the show.

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Thank you, you're welcome. We
appreciate your time. MONI, please give

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us a brief bio in yourself.
Okay, I was raised in the country

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most of my life up until I
was about seventeen eighteen years old. My

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mother and father were pretty hard working
individuals, but a lot of the times

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they would have to work late,
so me and my little brother Rob,

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we used to go out into the
woods to play. And that's basically how

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my childhood went up until about seventeen
years old or so. Myself, I've

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worn many hats in my years of
working. I don't have a clear profession,

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but if I was to look at
all my skills and put them all

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together, I would say that construction
would probably be the top, with art

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and digital graphics, making T shirts, I mean, just anything artsy music.

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I've been a musician for most of
my life, from the time I

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was ten years old got my first
guitar till today and forty two. Now,

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that's a good thirty two years of
musicianship under my belt. Far as

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like bio goes, that's about it. Currently live in the woods, I

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live in a small town in southwest
Virginia, and i have a fiance and

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two step kids, and I've got
four kids on my own that are grown,

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and I work at a cemetery.
But that's about it. Sounds to

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me like you've carved out a good
life for yourself. It's pretty comfortable.

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Yeah, sounds like it is.
That's great. Many you had your first

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encounter when you were just sixteen,
and it was a traumatic one. Do

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you think that experience had any profound
effects on the person you are today?

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Well, I can say this,
up until yesterday or the day before,

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I think is what it was.
I have not set foot in the world

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woods, and I used to go
out there for entertainment, and my brother

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didn't have a whole lot growing up, so you know, the woods were

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kind of our thing. And after
that encounter happened, I had a lot

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of nightmares. I had nightmares for
years and still, you know, to

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this day, when I talk about
it in full and I take myself back

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to those those memories, it basically
just floods over me. And as much

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as the conscious side of my mind
wants to push that out and kind of

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lock that out, the subconscious of
my mind when I go to sleep becomes

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very active, and you know,
I all I all I can do is,

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you know, just try to try
to get try to get better and

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better and talk about this thing.
And the more that I talk about it,

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the more that I can. I
can, I can deal with this

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thing, you know, And and
the less and less over the years,

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it's it's it's diminished. You know. I've had nightmares, I've had I

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can't have people jump scare me,
I mean, like those kind of pranks

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and stuff. I don't. I
don't want to say that I would,

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but you know, you might get
punched if you if you jump scare me,

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you know. And that's how bad
it got. It's gotten, actually,

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and I've had some therapy over it. I mean, it's been a

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pretty profound thing in my life,
just up until a couple of days ago,

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and you and I had to talk
and everything was the first time I've

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entered the woods by my own volunteerism. So that's pretty much it. I

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don't know if anything else that it
really well, let me actually rephrase that.

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There are several other things that it
affects. And I think anybody that

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has one of these encounters would be
affected the same way. And I think

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distrust paranoia is a big thing that
I know that I go through. I'm

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sure that other people that's had these
experiences have those similar feelings. But as

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far as a whole, it hasn't. It hasn't so much as made me

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to the point of where I can't
deal with life, but it has affected

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things to where it's been harder.
Life is hard enough as it is,

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not to mention have have to have
two encounters. So yeah, I don't

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like hearing that at all. When
you went to see a therapist, when

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you underwent therapy, who did you
go to see in? How much did

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you tell them about what really happened
to you? Well, the first encounter

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is it is the thing that I'm
I'm most focused on because it was the

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most traumatic. It's just a counselor
that I talked to. I'm not currently

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talking to one, but it was
for about five years afterwards, my mother

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and father noticed that I wouldn't go
outside. They noticed a huge they notice

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a huge change, you know,
in my behavior. And my mom asked

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me one day if she thought that
would be okay if I would talk to

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some you know, to someone and
I said, well, sure, you

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know, and she set me up
with a counselor from her church that she

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went to, and it was more
of like a program, like a big

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brother kind of program. And he
was a little bit older than me,

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and he would come to the you
know, once a week and we would

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kind of talk about things. And
it took me a while to really get

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down to it, just just because
I didn't feel like he was gonna believe

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any of it. But we did
sit down and talk and eventually got the

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story out in the full form.
And the counselor he had kind of a

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I don't know if this makes sense
or not, but it was almost a

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double edged sword like it kind of
it almost like seems like he didn't believe

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me in a sense. But altogether, it was a nice release because I

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was afraid to tell anybody else.
I mean, my mother and father knew

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about it, and my father that
night that that it happened, you know,

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we talked about it, and we'll
get into that a little bit later,

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but that's pretty much it with the
counseling. I did it for about

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five years and then I felt like
the nightmares and everything, we're subsiding,

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so I chose to just stop the
counseling. Then, well, I can't

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say I blame you if you didn't
believe you. I'm glad that you were

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able to get that out. But
yeah, if you didn't believe you,

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then how can he help you all
that much? And I'm sure, yeah,

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definitely. If you've had a Dogman
encounter, I would like to speak

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with me about it, whether in
private or on the show, please go

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please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot
com. All right, Monty, please

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tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that comes

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to mind. Well, I was
sixteen, we had just gotten out of

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high school for break. I think
I was in the tenth grade, and

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it was about a month to a
month and a half after we got out

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of break, So it was actually
I guess it was more towards the beginning

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of the fall semester. But I
do remember that there were leaves coming down,

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but not as much as say,
full fledged fall. It was more

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of like at the end of summer
where they just start changing and you got

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a few leaves coming off here and
there. But they were really beautiful colors

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up there. You know, in
southwest Virginia, we have some very very

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beautiful colors coming out in autumn and
fall. But it was me my little

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brother, and we had a best
friend at that time that had moved from

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I think what he told us was
Pensacola, Florida. I can't really remember

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where he told us he was from, but I do remember that he said

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that he was from a city.
He had never been out into the country.

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He had never been up to this
part of the United States, the

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East coast, the mountains, you
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going camping. And like I said, I was sixteen. My brother,

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my little brother's name was Rob.
He was thirteen, and John he was

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a year older than I was,
so he was seventeen. So it's me,

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my little brother, Rob, and
John. I remember us talking in

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school and us planning on camping trip, and we went ahead and planned it

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for the weekend. Well before I
get into that, I'll kind of pinch

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a picture of the lay of the
land. The lay of the land was

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like this. My mother and father
had bought a double wide and on the

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side of a hill down in a
haller. My dad, he's his specialty

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was actually cutting building pads out of
side of mountains and doing a road dirt

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work and stuff like that, and
later on in my life that's what I

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learned how to do. But if
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one on the right side of the
valley, you cut a backwards l out

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of the side of that mountain,
and that's where we base our double wide.

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Now, behind our double wide was
kind of steep, and at that

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point our double wide had only been
there about a year or year and a

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half, maybe not even that long. But I do remember that the dirt

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there was still no foliage plants or
anything growing up directly behind the double wide,

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going up the mountain. Well up
the mountain behind our double wide was

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the camping spot, and me and
my brother had gone up there and scouted

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out a couple times, and we
had actually went up there a few times

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and camped and we'd never had anything
happen up there, nothing suspicious, anything

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like that. So if you went
down the road, the main road it's

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called Hollow Road, it's off of
Route four sixty. You'll go down a

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hill into this holler and it basically
just goes straight and then down an incline

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and then it levels out. You
go about a quarter to a half a

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mile maybe three quarters of a mile
down that road, and then if you

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look to the right, the road
that you're driving on is on the left

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side of the valley, and the
valley you know, as you're driving that

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you would take a right to go
down into our driveway. And our driveway

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went down and it meandered to the
right just a bit, and it had

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a circular driveway that my mom and
dad really really was proud of. But

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behind that to the left was an
old logging road or an access road to

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something, and it went up to
the top of the mountain. It had

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been grown over a little bit,
but there were some saplings and some longer

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grass, taller grass that kind of
covered it. But you could still see

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the pathway of where the two wheels
of something had went up and down that

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thing quite a few times. So
from my double wide, if you went

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up that trail or that path little
road, it's basically all woods and it's

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very dense. You probably go half
a mile to three quarters of a mile

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up this pree. I mean it's
not it's pretty steep, but it's not

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steep enough to where you couldn't drive
say a four by four up. So

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we decided that was probably a good
way to get to the spot that we

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were going. And once you got
to the top of that, there was

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a clearing. It was probably i
would say, approximately one hundred yard radius

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of clearing, and we just called
it the Bald Spot. I mean,

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it's just what we called it.
So once you kind of get that in

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your mind, just imagine at the
at the top of this mountain, there's

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a there's a clearing, and there's
a road that connects that clearing all the

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way down that kind of enters down
the mountain down to our driveway. And

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we never used it for like automobiles
or anything like that, but we definitely

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used it for the for scouting.
And I think my dad had taken me

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squirrel hunting up there once or twice
too, And uh, it was just

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a cool place that me and my
brother used to hang out when things got

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rough in the house. If mom
and dad were you know, arguing or

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something, you know, we'd go
there and hang out. It wouldn't went

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a very far hike that it was
someplace that we just liked. But anyway,

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so on this day of the encounter, my friend rode the bus home

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with us. We were all attending
summer school at that point, and I

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can't remember if it was just a
half a day that we went or I

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don't think it was a whole day, but it was just a few hours.

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I think they just get there.
I think there the whole whole reason

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why my mom and dad even made
us go was to get us out of

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their hair. But I remember we
either got off of the bus or his

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grandmother brought John over there. To
be honest with you, I cannot remember

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which one it was, but anyway, he got there. We planned our

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trip pretty well. We got all
three tenths, We had separate tents.

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We made sure we had our hot
dog skewers. And when I say hot

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dog skewers, I'm not saying the
traditional ones that you can buy Walmart.

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Talk about ones that we carved.
So we got those, got a football,

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got some things, and it started
up the hill and I just remember

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looking at my brother. You know, he's having a tough time. He

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was a little hefty back then,
and he's having kind of a tough time

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going up the mountain, and the
sweat was just bubbling off of his forehead.

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Four little guy. But we finally
got up to the spot, and

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I would say it was probably five
thirty or six o'clock in the evening by

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the time we got there, and
we had previously built a fire pit with

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some rocks. And to this day, I don't know if this is connected

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or not, but every single time
that we went up there and we went

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to that spot, our fire pit
was messed up. Something or someone had

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come up there and moved those rocks
around to the point of where we had

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to go find them again or find
new ones and build the pit all over

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again. So I remember when we
first got there, we put our tents

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up, made our sleeping bags,
and rebuilt the fire pit. Well,

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by that time, it was starting
to get dark, so we all three

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kind of went our separate ways,
and we all went out to get kenln

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and wood for the fire, and
we all voted that it would be my

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responsibility to feed the fire all night. Not sure how that how I lost

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that vote, but I was the
guy that had to feed the fire,

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so I said, behind my tent
was the woodpile. And from there on

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then on out we passed the football
around a little bit, held some jokes,

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laughed, you know, just cutting
up being teenagers. And it became

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nighttime and I would say ten o'clock, maybe ten thirty. We're all sitting

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around the fire and we have our
hot dogs on our little carb skewers.

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I remember my brother had one hot
dog on his. I had two on

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my John had two on his.
I'm pretty sure that was the right number.

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Well, either John or my brother
Rob mentioned, hey, you think

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you might want to get some fire, and I was like, sure,

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okay, I'll grab some. So
I put my stick down. It was

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my hot dog, put it on
the little little branch that looked like a

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y kind of almost like a fishing
pole thing. But anyway, I went

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back picked up some logs, a
couple of them about I don't know,

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maybe wrist diameter, probably three or
four of those, and as soon as

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I raised up, something came through
the foliage and I thought it was an

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acorn. Now why an acorn would
be flying sideways, I really don't know,

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but we were very used to the
acorns falling in that part of the

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forest there, and you would hear
them all the time, hit the leaves,

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you know, the sound of it. So I raised up, and

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like I said, something came by
me, and it was probably a good

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foot and a half to the right
of me, in between the tent and

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me. Now I'm facing the fire, and our tent configuration is I imagine

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a circle in the middle that's your
fire pit, and in a triangle shape

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was each of our tents. And
whatever that was that came through, it

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went straight into the fire. So
it came through, it came by my

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head, it hit a bunch of
foliage, sounded, and then it hit

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the fire. So I'm thinking instantly, somebody's up here messing with us.

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And the first person that came to
my mind was my father. He was

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kind of a practicer. Every now
and then he would pull a little prank

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here in there and give us a
little scare, take us out for you

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know, doing snipe hunting and stuff
like that. He was kind of a

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prankic heer. And I'm thinking,
you know, my dad's behind the bushes

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over there, throwing rocks or something
at us, you know. So I

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turned around and I'm like, hey, all right now. I was like,

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who's over there messing with us?
And nobody answered, and i'ment,

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hmm, okay. So I turned
back around and my brother kind of had

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this little look on his face like
what was that, you know? And

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I took about two steps, and
on my second step, right before my

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foot hit the ground, here another
thing comes from the same direction, from

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behind my tent in the bushes,
passed in between my tent and my head.

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This time it was closer, and
it came through the foliage, hit

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a couple of leaves, and then
this time it hit beside the fire.

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It wasn't in the fire, and
we went so this time we could tell

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what it was and it was a
rock. It was a rock, probably

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as big as a golf ball.
And I would say that it was very

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fresh picked out and freshly picked out
of the ground, because when I kind

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of looked at it or whatever,
I was still kind of frozen, but

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I could see it. It was
right there in front of me, and

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you could see the new dirt on
it. I'm thinking, to myself,

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what any world is this. That's
not an acorn, that's a rock.

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Somebody is definitely throwing stuff at it. Somebody's up here messing with us.

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So I started to turn my head
towards where the rock came from, and

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I didn't get all the way around
when this whatever, this thing was made

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a scream that. I mean,
this is the things that those nightmares were

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made of. Like this is the
beginning of them. You know, you

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always hear the screen and then something
chaseness with the screen, And if you

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can imagine the only reference I can
really if the listeners here is if you've

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ever seen a Jurassic Park movie and
heard the t rex yell out that that

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bellowing very deep but kind of I
don't know that screen that it does.

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Now, if you was to pair
that with the low frequencies of like say

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a gator, Now, if you've
ever heard a gator do a grumble,

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those things are super low and even
as I've heard that infrasound, it can

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produce infrasound, which is a very
low frequency that not many humans well I

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don't think any humans can hear it, but super low frequency that causes all

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kinds of different effects on people.
But there it went from the low grumble

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to this loud, high pitched siren
almost sound that like basically just moved everything

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inside my body, like every organ
it shook it, if you can imagine.

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I've been to a couple really loud
concerts in my lifetime being a musician.

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My dad took me to a few
when I was a kid, But

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the loudest one that I'd ever been
to was a Metallica concert in Rowano nineteen

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ninety nine. We were sitting up
on the top row and the group that

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I was with decide to go down
onto the floor where the general mission people

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were. So we went down there
and made our way all the way to

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the stage. And the way Metallica
does it is there's stages in the middle,

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but they're subwifers. They put them
in that middle state to where the

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closer you get, the harder you
can fill that rumble and that base hit.

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And I'm telling you what, when
I was down there at that concert,

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that base was hitting me pretty hard
and it was making me feel sick

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even But it does not hold a
candle to the sound and the rumble that

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this thing like made, you know, to us, and I would say

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that this thing was at least by
the volume and by kind of just where

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it was or whatever. I would
say it was at least twenty five yards

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a way, maybe closer. I
doubt it because couldn't see it, but

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it was pitch black out there,
so I'm not really sure. I never

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did see this thing, but it
was loud, and it probably the duration

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was probably eight to ten seconds,
and I'm talking about full blown lung capacity

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bellowing out this siren scream that I
mean, it took me by surprise.

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I mean, it changed my whole
life, that screen did. But back

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to the story after the screen was
done. Well, during the screen,

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I'm sorry, During the screen,
probably halfway through, I looked to my

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left to see if my brother was
okay, and just to look at him,

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and his face looked like, I
mean, white as a sheet of

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paper. And John was like creeping
up, like getting up from his position,

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like creeping towards the road, like
in a very slow manner. And

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then as this thing kind of tapered
off and it stopped, we could kind

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of hear the bushes or something moving, and I immediately went straight to my

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brother, grabbed his hand, and
my thought process was, we've got to

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I've got to get my brother away
from this thing. Like at this point,

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like I wasn't even thinking about myself. I just wanted to get my

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little brother away from it. And
the best thing that I knew how to

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do was go from point A to
point B. And that was straight down

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the hill. That's not you know, that's not hitting that little access road,

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because that little access road was probably
thirty forty yards from where a camp

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was. Maybe closer well no,
let me let me let me rephrase that

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that was, or let me resay
that it was. At least it was

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about twenty twenty five yards away.
It was closer than than what I thought,

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but it seemed like it was a
long way away at that point.

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And I figured if we tried to
go for the access road, it had

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a lot of clearing that, you
know, no trees to like kind of

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have to jug around or anything.
It had a lot of clearing to close

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the distance between it and us.
So instead of going down that access road,

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I turned directly left and started down
this dark, black hill that we

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couldn't see anything. So I've got
my arm, my left arm up over

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my face and my brow trying to
keep the branches from from hit my eyeballs

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and stuff, and put my eyes
out in my other hand, my right

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hand was around my brother's wrist as
tight as it would go, dragging him

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down this hill. Now, there
was a few times where we had been

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exploring up on that hill and we
had found this old, rusted barbed wire

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fence partially intact. It wasn't it
wasn't fully intact. It was very old.

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If I was to say, run
into one of the posts or just

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grab it and push it a little
bit, it would probably break. That's

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how old this thing was. But
it was still there, and there was

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still parts of it there, and
there was parts of it that was intact

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and parts of it that wasn't intact. And the only thing that I'm thinking

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going down this hill is number one, get away from this thing. Number

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two, hold on to my brother, and number three, don't run into

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the barbed wire fence. Well,
I'll pause in the story right there and

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tell you about the creature. Okay, So that's our position in the story.

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So let's rewind. And the creature, whatever this thing was, that

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was behind us, okay. So
it was in the bushes and threw the

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rocks. It let out that crazy
I don't scream, growl siren thing,

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and we could hear it coming towards
us, like the instant instant we heard

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it rustle in the bushes coming towards
us like that, that was our instinct

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to leave. But from then on, like every time that we would fall

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down, there was a period of
like almost silence, and you could hear

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this thing stomping down the mountain and
breaking trees coming after us, Like I

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don't want to say, I don't
know how far it was behind us,

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but we felt several times, but
we instantly got back up and kept running.

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And this thing you could feel almost
you could almost feel the footfall.

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This thing was heavy, whatever it
was, it was very heavy, and

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you could hear a very labored breathing
with almost like a touch of pneumonia,

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if you can imagine that, like
if you breathe, if you're very congested

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in your chest. Hopefully you don't
ever get sick in the future, but

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if you do blow all your air
out and about three chords away, you'll

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start getting this really really, I
don't know, just rough like breathing like

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you got like like it's very congested
breathing. But that's what we could hear,

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was this congested breathing. And every
now and it would kind of huff

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like, you know, but mostly
it was the breathing. It didn't growl

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or make any other kind of noise
besides that one or two little huffs it

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did, but it was on our
tail. And so we're going down the

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mountain and it comes up to the
point to where I need to start looking

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for this fence, but I don't
want to slow down, and I don't

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want to let go of my brother. My brother is screaming and crying at

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this point. I've literally dragged him
down the mountain. His shins were all

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scraped up. Well anyway, So
we get to the point where we're at

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that fence, or where I thought
the fence was, and I thought there

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was an opening, and there was, but we didn't quite clear it.

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Well, I cleared it, my
brother's knee didn't. His knee caught one

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of the barbs or something and it
ripped it up pretty pretty awful. And

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now I didn't know that at the
time, and I don't think he did

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either, just because of the whole
you know, the whole experience and us

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being chased at that point, and
the adrenaline was just i mean, going

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through our veins like water you know, But we eventually came came down to

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the opening where and if you could
imagine again where I at the beginning where

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I was explaining how Dad cut that
backwards L out of the out of the

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mountain. Just just imagine a from
the top right, like if you're looking

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at us a a computer monitor,
All right, look at the top right

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corner and just draw a diagonal line
all the way down to the lower left

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corner. And then within that line, you've got the top half, which

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is you know, your air sky
whatever space, and you got ground on

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the lower half. Now, if
you take a backwards L right in the

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middle of that and just cut a
backwards L two or three inches down two

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or three inches over, that is
what the building pad looked like. And

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the right side of the horizontal I'm
sorry, the vertical L was slamming it

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a bit, because you know,
obviously you can't have like a just a

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cliff behind your house. So Dad
had kind of skimmed it off and trimmed

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it off to where it was almost
almost straight up and down. But you

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could get up and down it if
you were like on your hands knees,

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like you know, crawled out.
You could basically crawl up this thing,

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but it got steeper as it went
down, so like when we hit that

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clearing, the tree stopped. We
started sliding down the dirt or what and

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then basically just like kept sliding and
kept sliding until we hit the bottom.

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And at one point I had to
put my brother on my back. It

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was right there before we came out
of the clearing, but I let him

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down and we went down the dirt. We ran around the left side of

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the from the back to the front
of the double wide. We had a

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deck, so we had to run
up the deck. And while we were

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running up the deck, here comes
John around the other the other end.

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I thought we'd lost him. I
only thought of him one time during that

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whole trip down the mountain and that
and that was one I'd looked at him

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and seen him creeping away. I
didn't see him after that. He just

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disappeared. So later on though,
he told me that he had taken that

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access road and just ran down the
road. So if you could imagine,

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we got there faster than he did, you know, and we're going through

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trees and everything else, and he's
he's just going down a road with like

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little saplings and stuff. He You
know, you would have thought that he

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would have made it there first,
but no, we got there first,

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and then he showed up two or
three seconds later. But still that kind

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of gives you an idea of like
how fast we'd going down that mountain.

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And we beat on the door.
My brother was crying. He's crying,

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please, please hurry up, you
know, please hurry up. Open the

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door, please, I'm screaming open
the door. Door's locked. Obviously,

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I guess they had an adult mic
without us there and didn't expect us back.

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Finally, my dad came to the
door and opened the door up,

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and we all kind of ran by
him or whatever and fell it down in

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the middle of the floor, and
he's like, what in the world is

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going on with you guys? And
for five or ten minutes, I couldn't

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even catch my breath, even telling
my brother's just sitting there screaming and crying

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holding his knee. John is in
the floor also, he's crying at this

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point, just sitting there, rocking
back and forth, and Dad just keeps

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asking us, like, what's going
on? What's going on? And I

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finally got it out and told him
what happened. He you know, I

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loved my dad a lot, you
know, but he could be naive sometimes,

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00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,280
and he, you know, we
told him that story, and obviously

412
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,679
his two sons and their friend was
sitting there in the middle of the floor,

413
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:40,320
I mean, completely freaked out.
Something had happened to us. At

414
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,400
least, you know, he knew
that, but but no, instead he

415
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,920
gave us a little kick on and
said, oh, it's probably just a

416
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:53,400
bear. Well, okay, probably
just a bear. It was not a

417
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:59,119
bear. I'm telling you right now. A bart does not have the lung

418
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:07,679
capacity and neither does anything else that
I know of animal wise to put out

419
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:12,519
a scream like that. And then
nothing that I know of that is in

420
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:20,559
this area, predator or not,
is heavy enough to produce the footfall and

421
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,800
breaking all those trees down as it
was coming down the mountain. There's nothing

422
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:32,760
I know of that can do that. Nothing. But eventually Dad got us

423
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:39,199
calmed down, and you know,
we tried to give him some details,

424
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:46,480
and he just seemed like he just
didn't believe us. So my bedroom was

425
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:54,239
facing the direction that we came down
the hill. I'm sorry my bedroom window

426
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,360
was My bedroom was also on that
same side but the bedroom window and my

427
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,400
bed was right the side of it. And when it was time to quote

428
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,880
unquote go to bed, I did
not want to go to bed, but

429
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:14,280
but back it up just to just
a tad. Right after we told my

430
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,320
dad what had happened, ye gave
us that little giggle and laughing this and

431
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:25,559
that. It just bothers me in
this day that he he didn't believe us,

432
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:30,960
you know. But anyway, he
said, well, well, well

433
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,400
so you guys came down off that
matt you didn't put the fire out.

434
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,719
And I said, really, that's
what you're worried about the fire. He's

435
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,239
like, well, somebody's gonna go
up there and put that fire out.

436
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:50,119
And he said, one of you
guys are going with me. So he

437
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:53,480
pretty much chose me, and it
was my responsibility. I did invite invited

438
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:57,559
John up up there, and it
was you know, I was the one

439
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:02,960
who curated this whole camping trip,
so it was my responsible ability to go

440
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:07,519
with it. Well, he finally
got me to agree, but I told

441
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,519
him, I said, I'm not
getting out. So we got a five

442
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:15,320
gallon bucket. He filled it up
with water from a spickeot there outside.

443
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,559
We got into his old F one
fifty, and we put it in granny

444
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,760
gear and went up the access road. Now, if you can imagine on

445
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,679
this axis road, now, when
you go up this mountain, the clearing,

446
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,599
the ball spot is going to be
on your right as you pull up.

447
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,320
Well, I'm on that side.
I'm in the passenger side, you

448
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,800
know, uh, F one fifty. It's not a crew cab, not

449
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,079
an extended cab. It's just that
seat, that one seat that goes across.

450
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,760
So it's me and my dad,
and my dad had grabbed his I'd

451
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:54,000
noticed he'd grabbed his three fifty seven
magnum. Maybe not a magnum, I'm

452
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,320
not really sure. I had the
long barrel on it had a Camo grip.

453
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:06,159
Pretty nice guy, and I wish
I had it now, but I

454
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,239
noticed he had that, and uh, I would slid down in the seat.

455
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,960
I did. I didn't want to
see out the window or anything else.

456
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,199
And I finally noticed that we'd come
up to the top, and uh,

457
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,920
he said, money, you gonna
get out? And I said,

458
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,880
please, Dad, don't make me, Please don't make me. I begged

459
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,519
him. I did not want to
get out of that truck. And he

460
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:27,719
said, all right. So he
grabbed his gun and he put it in

461
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,119
his right hand, and with his
left hand he grabbed the bucket out of

462
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:37,280
the back of the truck. And
if you didn't imagine a little kid in

463
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,159
their bed at night, you know, uh, it's all dark, and

464
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:45,320
they got the covers pulled up over
their nose, just blow their eye.

465
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:49,719
That's kind of what I was.
I was looking like peeking up over the

466
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,599
door panel at the campsite, you
know, I'm just kind of skinning my

467
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,280
you know, from left to right, trying to figure out this thing still

468
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,519
out there, you know, And
and I'm begging Dad. I'm telling him,

469
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:05,079
saying, Dad, please hurry,
please hurry, Please get back in

470
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:08,519
this truck. I don't want you
to get hurt. Please God. Well,

471
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:16,119
at that point, he goes around, he takes the bucket and he

472
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:22,320
throws it on there onto the fire. But before he does, I'm looking

473
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:29,440
at our homemade skewers out there,
and not one hot dog was left on

474
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:34,599
those things. And if you remember
at the at the first I had two,

475
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,360
my brother had one, John had
two. That's five. That's five

476
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,760
hot dogs total, and nobody had
taken any bites out of them because they

477
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:50,719
were still cooking while the rock was
thrown at us. And at that point,

478
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,280
you know, when we started running
down the mountain, we dropped them

479
00:43:54,320 --> 00:44:00,199
like, I mean, well,
mine was on the little the little bish

480
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,280
and poel holder, why kind of
deal, and my brother and John dropped

481
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:10,159
him and they just left. We
left. Well, when I was looking

482
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,360
scanning from left right, there was
no hot dogs on that on that thing.

483
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,400
I don't know if that's connected or
not. I don't want to reach

484
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,800
and say, oh, yeah,
that's got to be that's got to be

485
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,639
it. You know, that's that's
where he was after the hot dogs.

486
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:30,000
You know, I don't believe it. Uh, but I mean, it

487
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,280
could have been something else, could
have been something else, but it was

488
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:37,760
awful suspicious that those things were gone. Well said to continue the Sorry my

489
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:45,760
dad, he uh, he dumped
the bucket, put the fire out,

490
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,480
got back in the truck. He
went back down to the house. We

491
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,400
talked a little bit, and he
told me right before I got out of

492
00:44:53,400 --> 00:45:00,639
the truck not to tell anybody about
this. I don't remember when we talked

493
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,079
the other day I told you that
or not, but I did remember that

494
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,159
detail. He told me not to
tell anybody about this. And I said,

495
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,599
okay, Dad, And that was
the last we ever spoke of it.

496
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,480
And my brother that night went to
the hospital got some stitches at his

497
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:22,880
knee, and me and John for
John and I, we we spent the

498
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:28,679
night in the living room because I
refused to go and sleep in my room

499
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,079
with that window facing the hill the
mountain. I didn't want to see what

500
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:37,039
that was. I didn't want to
look out that window in the middle of

501
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:40,079
the night waking up and see I'm
facing the window. I didn't. I

502
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:45,280
didn't want that. And probably for
the next two weeks I stayed out on

503
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,320
the couch just because of that,
until my mom made me go back in

504
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,800
there and stay. But but that's
it. That's that is that encounter.

505
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:07,639
Okay, second encounter my dad had
met a lady and had gotten together with

506
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:12,400
her after my mom and dad's divorce, which was when I was It was

507
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,199
after that encounter that he had met
a lady and she had lived in Salem,

508
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,199
and we moved there first. It
was about an hour away. It

509
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:27,719
was it's about ten minutes out of
Rohwanoak running up being one of the bigger

510
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:35,400
landmarks in cities around where we lived
there and Eventually he went out. He

511
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,400
played a lot of pool at night. So he met this guy that owned

512
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:45,280
some property and he wanted to be
able to go to that property and move

513
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,880
to that property. But before we
could, there were some people in that

514
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:58,079
house that the lease hadn't expired yet. So we had to find a month

515
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:04,119
to month place to kind of to
live there until we got to that place

516
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:08,360
that you wanted to go. And
it was and we found a place and

517
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:14,280
it was called Snug Harbor. Now
you can look a look us up on

518
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:21,400
Google Earth and if you find Menita, Virginia, you'll find Route one going

519
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:27,800
from I think it's east to west, but I'm not sure it might be

520
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:38,159
west to east. But anyway,
if you go from Goodview, Virginia towards

521
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Menita, you'll come up on Route
twenty two. Well you take that right,

522
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,679
and if you take that right,
seven or eight miles down the road

523
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,880
is a bridge that goes over the
lake. Some developers had made that into

524
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,800
a marina and all sorts of different
things. There was several restaurants there.

525
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:06,960
I ended even up working there a
little while in the future and doing like

526
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,480
jet ski rentals and stuff like that. But it was called Bridgewater Plaza,

527
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:17,960
and about two miles before you got
to Bridgewater Plaza on the left was a

528
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:28,239
residential development called Snug Harbor. Now, Snug Harbor had a well today if

529
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:35,639
you look on Google Earth, it's
pretty developed now it was back then when

530
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:40,599
we lived there. There was two
maybe three people that lived in that hole,

531
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,960
that whole Snug Harbor residential place,
and the rest of it was woods

532
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:53,280
like it is, like straight up
dense woods and uh. Well, anyway,

533
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,800
so you turn off to the left
into Snug Harbor and you get down

534
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,000
this little road and you take it
another left, and you go a couple

535
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:07,079
of miles out that way, and
at the end of the cult de Sac

536
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:13,360
right to the left was our driveway
and our house was. My dad always

537
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,599
used to call it the gingerbread house
because it was painted blue and all like

538
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:23,639
the trimming and everything was white,
and it looked just like a gingerbread house,

539
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:30,239
but it was blue. Anyway,
one night, my brother had went

540
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:36,559
to one of his friend's house,
which was about fifteen minutes away, and

541
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,320
I was the only person that drove
at that point. I think my dad

542
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:44,360
had dropped him off earlier that day
or earlier the day before. I can't

543
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,800
remember, but my dad called me
down. It was about ten o'clock and

544
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,239
he said, hey, can you
go get your brother, he's over at

545
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,039
Tony's house. And I said sure, And so I got my stuff,

546
00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:00,199
Freddy and everything and got in the
cart I had bought that year. I

547
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:07,239
was working on a job with my
dad with this place called Commonwealth excavating the

548
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:14,280
pipeline. And I was doing a
bunch of pipeline work and my car had

549
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:19,679
spat out on me. So I
had to find another one, and luckily,

550
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:28,119
one of my coworkers was selling his
nineteen eighty one Toyota Silica Supra and

551
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:34,239
it had a manual and I loved
it. I would take that thing up

552
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,000
and down that dirt road that we
lived on and just fishtail, I mean

553
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:42,480
all day. It was great.
It was probably the funnest, the most

554
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,239
fun car that I've ever owned.
And it was built, I mean it

555
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,960
was built tough, like we'd ran
into several trees with it, and it

556
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,039
didn't even dent it, not at
top speed, full speed or anything like

557
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:59,079
that. Just love speeds, but
still it did not dent that car.

558
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,199
But anyway, so I got into
the car, started up, I'm going

559
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,480
out. You know, I'm probably
one hundred two hundred, maybe maybe two

560
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:14,000
hundred and fifty yards out the road. I'm still a couple of miles from

561
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:17,000
the from the left, from the
right that we had to get on the

562
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:24,239
main road out of Stuck Harbor.
And I started to hear the leaves and

563
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:30,480
some branches crack, and I had
my windows about halfway down, and I

564
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:35,679
had the radio on just tack just
a little bit, just for background ambience

565
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:42,679
or whatever. But I heard something
off to my right, and I didn't

566
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:49,239
see anything. I may or may
not have seen somebody shine. I don't

567
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:55,639
know. My memory says that I
might have, but I can't really say

568
00:51:55,639 --> 00:52:00,840
that I did. But you could
hear this thing walking, you know.

569
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:07,559
We had a lot of squirrels out
there, and squirrels were some of the

570
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:13,320
noisiest animals out there in those woods, and you you would think a dang

571
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,760
army was coming at you if there
was enough squirrels playing in the leaves,

572
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,400
you know. And I just brush
it off. I was thinking, Okay,

573
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,280
well that's just a squirrel, or
maybe it's even a deer. But

574
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:35,159
it seemed kind of suspicious because it
felt it sounded like bipedal movement. Swish

575
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:42,559
twush twush, you know, had
a cadence to it. But I kind

576
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:46,760
of brushed it off, and you
know, just like anybody with a rational

577
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,320
mind would, you know, and
chalked it up as something else. So

578
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:58,880
I continued on down the road and
went down the road finally picked my brother

579
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,199
up. My brother and I was
like, man, I think there's some

580
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,239
deer something over you know, I'm
pretty sure I heard something over there near

581
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,400
the house. And he was like, well, maybe we'll see it when

582
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,639
we get back in. You know. He was he was an animal lover.

583
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:19,599
My brother's past now, but he
he was. He was a He

584
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:23,239
had a very bright soul. I
mean, I loved him dearly, and

585
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,960
then there was days where I hated
him, these cuts, you know.

586
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:31,280
But he was very fond of animals, and anytime that there was mention that

587
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,320
any kind of animal being sighted,
he wanted to see it. And later

588
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,800
on in his life he moved down
to Florida. And this is kind of

589
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,920
a funny thing tidbit here, but
he moved down to Florida and I went

590
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,280
down to visit him for a little
while, and he had jumped on the

591
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:52,039
back of a baby alligator and drug
it out of the swamp. I mean,

592
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:57,039
he caught all kinds of little things, and he used to post things

593
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,400
on Facebook, saying the catch of
the week, and he had this little

594
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,440
baby duck one week, and then
he found several lizards and stuff like that.

595
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:08,760
But anyway, that's kind of the
person he was. But a su

596
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,639
As I mentioned the deer, he's
wanting to see it, you know.

597
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:19,199
So we get back and it wasn't
quite to the spot where we were where

598
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,159
I was the first time I heard
the noise. We were probably a good

599
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:30,239
four hundred yards five hundred yards from
that, And this time I heard it

600
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,800
on the right side, which coming
in would be the opposite side of what

601
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,159
I heard it the first time I
came out. Well, I don't I

602
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:45,719
can't remember what it was, but
we heard it, heard something snap or

603
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,480
something happened, I can't remember.
But I was down on the floorboard,

604
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:53,519
either fishing for a cigarette or trying
to get a CD, I cannot remember

605
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:59,119
for the life of me. But
Robbie said, many stop the car.

606
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:00,519
Look, look, look, look, look, you gotta see the thing,

607
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:07,199
man, Look. And when my
eyes came up, I caught his

608
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,480
face first, his face, I
mean was oh lord, it looked like

609
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:16,800
he had seen a ghost. But
then I went from right to left with

610
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:22,920
my eyes and I just caught the
back end of this thing going out of

611
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:29,480
the headlight range into the darkness.
It had crossed in front of the car.

612
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:37,800
And my brother kept saying, dude, I think I just saw a

613
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:40,880
bigfoot or something or a monster.
I don't know what that thing is,

614
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,880
you know, And I was like, I don't know, man, because

615
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,000
the only thing I saw was the
back end of it, the back end

616
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:53,800
of it being And I'll try to
paint a good picture for you here.

617
00:55:54,719 --> 00:56:01,199
If you imagine you're on a dirt
road flat, but you have trees on

618
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:07,719
both sides. It's a very narrow
road. It's just about enough for two

619
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:13,519
cars to pass, and about twenty
five to thirty feet maybe a little bit

620
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:19,039
further in front of you. You
know, you've got where your head lights

621
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:24,719
shine. Well, my headlights were
pretty messed up. They had been through

622
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:29,760
the river, so they're very cloudy, and I didn't have a very good

623
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,320
shine on those things, so it
was already dim, and I had a

624
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,639
hard time at night, you know, looking out of the windshield getting where

625
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:40,519
I was going just because of how
dim those things were in the first place.

626
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:47,559
But when I saw this thing,
the back half of its body was

627
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:54,159
stepping out of the threshold of the
light and where it was so dark,

628
00:56:54,639 --> 00:57:00,960
and where my eyes I guess couldn't
really adjust from light to dark that quickly.

629
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:06,000
This thing seemed like it just vanished, like it basically took one more

630
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:10,519
step, because I heard it.
Well, I heard basically three steps,

631
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:17,239
but only saw like a silhouette step
the second time out of the light.

632
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,840
But I'll go ahead and give you
a description on what I saw, and

633
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:30,199
we'll go from the feet up.
The right leg of the creature was still

634
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:37,800
in the headlights, like it had
already stepped with its left foot into the

635
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:43,599
darkness. So the left foot I
did not see. I didn't see its

636
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:51,679
face, I didn't see the like
the first half of the front of its

637
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:55,360
body. I didn't see that.
But from if you can imagine from maybe

638
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,320
the middle of its rib cage on
the side, or if you was to

639
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,480
draw a lot, I'm down a
side profile of a creature like that,

640
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,960
I saw the back end of that. Now the thing was all right.

641
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:15,679
So from the feet up, the
foot and and I got to thinking about

642
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:22,320
when we were talking the other night, how I explained that foot to you,

643
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:28,800
and I got it backwards because I
looked up some feet of dogs and

644
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,519
stuff like that. I don't own
a dog, so I looked up some

645
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:36,119
you know, the legs and stuff
like that, and what I'd actually explained

646
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:38,320
to any of the opposite of the
way it was. So the way I

647
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:45,679
explained before was that the planet grade
part of the front of the foot was

648
00:58:45,800 --> 00:59:00,000
longer, and it was actually shorter. It was probably ten inches ten inches

649
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:07,599
long, and that's the front part
where the toes touch the planet grade end

650
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:12,559
of it. And then it comes
up and then it comes up in an

651
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:20,360
angle not forty to see, yeah, see, ninety degree would be it

652
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,039
would be a forty five. Let's
see what's between forty five Probably a twenty

653
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:31,840
degree angle from the flat part of
the foot up, okay, and then

654
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:40,800
it angled back again in a forty
five degree angle like a square, almost

655
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:47,079
went up into the where the knee
area was, and then it zig zagged

656
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:55,400
back diagonally up into the thigh.
Now I didn't see a tail on it.

657
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:01,960
It didn't seem to have a tail. But the the foot, the

658
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:08,639
way that the fingernails were coming off
of the foot or the toenails. I

659
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:14,760
want to say that they looked like
talons. But if you can imagine like

660
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:20,360
a talon that's been put on,
maybe like the pointy end, put it

661
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,760
onto a grinder and kind of work
it back and forth, like it'll kind

662
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:34,480
of get that flat kind of shaped
to it. It looked like the I

663
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,159
could see the front the big toe, the big toenail, and it would

664
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:42,360
it came straight off the toe and
went straight down like in a curved motion,

665
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:45,320
straight down, curved over the end
of the toe, and it looked

666
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:52,320
like it had like been ground off, like as it stepped through the wilderness

667
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,639
or whatever like it it might have
one time, if it would have put

668
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:59,519
its legs up for six months and
never touched the ground, it probably would

669
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:04,480
have sharp talents. But with it
going through what it did, it made

670
01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:08,559
sense, like when I thought about
it later, of white looked that way.

671
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,639
I could see the first one and
just a tad bit of the second

672
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:22,400
one. But the bottom of the
feet's feet feats, the bottom of the

673
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:29,519
feet did not have any kind of
hair on it. The skin color was

674
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:36,199
like an ash, like if you
were to make a fire then later on

675
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,719
you got the ash if you mix
it up good that good like matt gray

676
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:46,000
kind of color. That's the color
of the skin. And then it had

677
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:54,280
black, very coarse hairs, like
coming from the top of like its foot.

678
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:59,159
It was on the top of its
foot and it almost looked like it

679
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:04,079
was covering the side or whatever.
But then when it came up the foot

680
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,679
from where the planet grade part was
to the angled part where it came up

681
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:15,280
into those like the dog kind of
bend or whatever, it didn't have as

682
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,719
much hair. It kind of thinned
out a little bit. But then as

683
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:24,400
it went up the calf portion,
it started to get a lot of hair

684
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:30,679
and it started to go from like
an inch of squiggly, little raggedy hairs

685
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:40,519
to pretty coarse, pretty thick hair
went up and then then it just started

686
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:44,719
getting The hairs just started getting longer
and longer as it went up the body.

687
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:52,559
But it seemed the hair looked like
it was like it almost like dreadlocked.

688
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:58,920
Now I don't want to say it
looked like traditional dreadlocks, because obviously

689
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,840
you know it wouldn't look like that, but if you can imagine, I'll

690
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,719
pay pat you another picture. We
used to have a chowel, and it

691
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:13,119
was about three years old. And
we could not keep that thing groomed.

692
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,880
Uh. It didn't matter how many
times we brushed the things for it did

693
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:22,639
not matter. It would get these
clumps and these like corn row looking things,

694
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,960
matted, just matted hair clumped at
it all over it all the time,

695
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,800
and we just couldn't do it,
you know, without shaving the dog

696
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:36,199
completely. Made it look ridiculous.
That's what it looked like. But this

697
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:39,320
this creature had that that stuff all
over it, like especially right around like

698
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:45,239
the waist and lower back. It
had sticks and foliage and all kinds of

699
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:52,320
stuff. It looked like it had
got wet, got rolled around in the

700
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:57,519
mud like maybe stagnant pond mud,
okay, because that's a little bit thicker

701
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,719
than normal mud, and uh,
and got it all over them and then

702
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,639
went out into the sun, got
it baked onto them, and then went

703
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:06,519
and did the whole process again.
And that's what it looked like. There

704
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:15,320
was clumps of that stuff all over
this thing, and the lower portion of

705
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:20,239
its foot looked like it was wet
like it I could almost could I could

706
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:26,599
almost guarantee you that it left like
a footprint of witness. Now, that's

707
01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:30,199
how close we were to the lake. We had a lake access that was

708
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,360
not too far from there, a
couple hundred yards actually, And the direction

709
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:40,079
it was coming from looked like it
was coming from the lake, so you

710
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:45,199
know that. Deducing all that,
I came to the conclusion that it was

711
01:04:45,239 --> 01:04:51,119
probably wading in the water, maybe
looking for something before it had come up

712
01:04:51,159 --> 01:05:00,320
and crossed our path. But the
waist was small, but then it went

713
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:08,400
up into a huge torso like this
thing would make Ornld Schwarzenegger in his heyday

714
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:15,400
look like a kindergartener. Like this
thing, its torso was huge like and

715
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:20,760
really, I think when my eyes
came up from the feet and saw that

716
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,360
portion of the creature, that's really
what started. That's that's what made my

717
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:31,519
heart drop out of my chest.
It was just the sheer size of this

718
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:41,039
thing. Now, as far as
the arms go, I saw the back

719
01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:56,000
end of the left arm from about
its midway down it's bicep muscle area down

720
01:05:56,039 --> 01:06:00,239
to its hand. Now, its
arms weren't as muscular as as what you

721
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:06,760
would think. The things were like
really long and spedly, and it had

722
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:14,119
like it's its hand was like almost
curled up like it was in a like

723
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:17,760
a semi fist. But if it
would have straightened its arm out from like

724
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:23,559
the bent position that it had it
in, it could have it it could

725
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:29,000
have touched the ground like that's and
one of the reasons was is because the

726
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:38,039
posture the animal was it was it
almost reminded me of the Hunchback of Notre

727
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:45,039
Dame, like that animated series on
how that guy's posture was. That's what

728
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:49,800
it looked like this thing was doing
like it looked like the from its waist

729
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,960
to where its ribcage started like it
was going straight up, but then it

730
01:06:55,079 --> 01:07:00,800
like bent over, like like its
shoulders were like pushed forward, and I

731
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:10,920
could see the pointedness of an ear
that looked like it was about six inches

732
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:19,679
long. I'm kind to think of
any kind of other details I can think

733
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:28,360
of. The hand, it looked
like a human's hand. The hand looked

734
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,960
human. It had hair on top
of the hand, on top of the

735
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:43,920
finger down to about the knuckle and
then oh, and the the toenail was

736
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:48,280
it was completely black, just like
its fingernails where now it's finger nails were

737
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:56,159
a little bit longer than say a
human's, and they looked super thick,

738
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:00,920
like if you if you had some
force with his fingernail and put them on

739
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:06,320
your fingernails and slashed at somebody,
like it would grip your skin open.

740
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:13,920
Like that's how thick and sharp these
things looked. I don't really remember any

741
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:16,760
other details, like I said,
only said on the back of it.

742
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:24,640
Now, my brother. My brother
said that he saw the face of it,

743
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:31,479
and he said that it almost looked
like almost like a bad boon snout.

744
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,119
I guess, he said, but
he really couldn't tell, because he

745
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:42,319
said. The only reason why he
said that is because the hair you could

746
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:45,439
kind of see it, like the
way it laid on top of it.

747
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,000
But like he said, it looked
like this thing had a mop on the

748
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:53,279
top of its head, like it
like a black mop. He said,

749
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:59,119
he had long flowing hair, but
it was like all matted up and you

750
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:01,479
couldn't see it like face face.
He said. He couldn't see his eye

751
01:09:02,119 --> 01:09:09,239
or his eyes, but he did
see like some stuff dripping from his mouth.

752
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,800
And think of any other detail I
can give you. I can't really

753
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,960
remember. Our conversation has been such
a long time ago. She was still

754
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:26,920
alive bout ask him. But that's
about all I can remember is of details

755
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:32,399
now. As soon as this thing
stepped into the darkness, it took three

756
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:38,560
more steps. The first step that
he took out of the headlight, I

757
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:43,720
could see the silhouette and then it
disappeared. And when he when I didn't

758
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:48,640
see it, this thing was blacker
than the black, Like it almost looked

759
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,079
like it could suck up all the
blackness around it, like it was so

760
01:09:53,319 --> 01:10:01,520
dark like it was it was weirdly, very very strangely dark black. Anyway,

761
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:04,560
I snapped out of it. You
know, I'm sitting there frozen at

762
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:11,479
this point, and Robbie's Robbie has
already been telling me for a couple of

763
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,800
seconds, like go, go go. I didn't really even let it register

764
01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:19,640
until like this thing was out of
my sight and I could actually, yeah,

765
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:24,199
concentrate on like what what the heck
happened? You know? And the

766
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:26,840
only thing I could hear with Robbie
said go go, go go. So

767
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,119
I hit the gas. I hit
the gas, and I went first,

768
01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:32,800
second, third, fourth, and
we probably, I mean, we were

769
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:38,239
going at an unbelievable speed for that
car and that road that I should have

770
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:42,359
never you know, it was very
dangerous and I don't condone anybody to ever

771
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,720
do that. But we got to
the house and by the time we got

772
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:50,239
there, Dad and his girlfriend's asleep, so we never really had a chance

773
01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:54,359
to talk to him about that that
night. Now, if he was awake,

774
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:58,399
I would have definitely talk to him
about it, But the next day

775
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,000
he'd gotten up in a bad mood
and kind of set the mood for the

776
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:06,520
day, and I decided not to
tell him that day, and I from

777
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,920
then on out, I just kind
of left it, you know why,

778
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,880
I bring up something else and have
him laugh at me again. I just

779
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,079
didn't want to hear it, you
know. And me and my brother stayed

780
01:11:16,119 --> 01:11:20,840
up all night that night talking about
that thing. He drew a picture at

781
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,600
one point we lost it. I
don't know where it ever went. But

782
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:32,079
I'm right now as I'm talking,
actually working on my sketch of this thing.

783
01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:35,520
I want to I'm doing a sketch
of this of what I saw,

784
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:42,199
the part of half his body being
in the headlights, half of it the

785
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:45,239
dark road that we were going down. I'm AMA's done with it, and

786
01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:53,560
hopefully it'll be a good rendition of
what I saw. But that's that's pretty

787
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:58,560
much it from that point. On. Me and my brother kind of talked

788
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,920
about it here and there when we
saw each other, but we never really

789
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:08,119
told anyone else. You know,
what am I supposed to say? Yeah,

790
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:12,039
we saw a monster. I mean, that's basically what it was.

791
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:14,600
It was a monster. I didn't
know what the hega was, you know,

792
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,039
and upuntil a few days ago,
I thought it was just a monster.

793
01:12:19,359 --> 01:12:24,199
And you know, with some of
the details and stuff that I've been

794
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:30,359
kind of researching here lately, it
falls into the dog man category. I

795
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:38,479
mean, there's no doubt about it
in my mind. But uh, that's

796
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:43,720
pretty much it. I'm not really
sure what else to give you on that

797
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,359
one. That's pretty much. It
really is a shame you had to go

798
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,640
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801
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,039
I'm so sorry to hear about you
losing Rob. How did you pass

802
01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:14,159
away? My father in twenty twelve
passed away and left my brother and I

803
01:13:14,359 --> 01:13:17,760
his mobile home, and I already
had a home at that times and my

804
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,079
brother didn't, so I just went
ahead and just gave it to him,

805
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:26,359
and a couple months after he moved
in him it was him and his fiance

806
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:32,079
and his little winter dog. And
well, anyway, his stove was messed

807
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:36,159
up, and a lot of people's
stoves, where you turn the knob,

808
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,960
there's like a safety thing to where
you can't go from low directly to high.

809
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:45,199
You have to go all the way
around to get to that. But

810
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:50,600
there were something was messed up with
the stovey one that he was using,

811
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,199
and you could you could just bump
in. It would go directly from low

812
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:59,760
to high and it would just there
was a lot of times we'd caught it,

813
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:03,239
you know, burning or whatever,
and thank god, it never did

814
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:06,880
anything. But we turned it off
there and I don't know why he never

815
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:12,000
got fixed, but he just didn't. But he had cooked, he had

816
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:20,399
what was it, He had deep
fried some corn dogs or whatever, and

817
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:26,840
after he was done, he had
bumked that thing. Didn't know about it.

818
01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:30,479
His girlfriend or his fiance is in
the shower, the dog is under

819
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:35,159
the covers. Okay, you have
to get from their bedroom past the kitchen

820
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:41,520
to get to the main outside door. But right, if you look right

821
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,840
directly across from the kitchen, there's
a back door that you can kind of

822
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,199
go out. It's like three or
four feet and you step in your outside

823
01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:54,520
on the back porch. Well,
he had left the thing on, left

824
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,560
the eye on accidentally. He's out
in the garden picking some carrots. While

825
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,640
she's in the thing, Awesome smoke
come up. So he went in to

826
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,640
see what was going on. And
the whole house is basically filled up with

827
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:12,880
smoke at this point, and he
sees where you know, the the eye

828
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:17,479
had caught the grease on fire.
Well, he goes through the fire basically,

829
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,000
well, it's not a huge fire
at this point, he could pass

830
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:30,119
the fire into the bedroom, grabs
a blanket off of his his bed and

831
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:32,000
threw it in a shower with her, told her what was going on,

832
01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:36,640
wrapped her up in that wet blanket, and basically carried her out of there

833
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:42,600
and went back into the house.
Got the dog, saved him, went

834
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,159
and put him outside with her.
Went back into the house. At that

835
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:53,000
point, he had these uh you
know how some plots and pans have that

836
01:15:53,119 --> 01:16:00,000
hard plastic handle. Well that had
gotten so hot that he figured he could

837
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:05,119
just grabbed the pot that was on
fire take those three steps to the back

838
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:11,680
door and throw it out, and
that would be that. Well, when

839
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:18,399
he grabbed that handle, it melted
onto his hand and he proceeded to drop

840
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:27,199
this grease fire and it went all
over him and basically went like his whole

841
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:34,960
right side of his body from his
pectoral muscle down was third degree burned.

842
01:16:35,359 --> 01:16:40,960
They flew him to I think it
was a Duke university, to the burn

843
01:16:41,039 --> 01:16:45,720
center, and he stayed there for
months, and finally he beat it.

844
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:53,319
Like from everybody's miracle, he beat
it. But with him having so much

845
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:58,800
skin and everything burnt off of him, he easily got MRSA and the MRSA.

846
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,479
He he fought it, battled it
for like a year and almost died

847
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:11,319
several times, but finally finally beat
that. Well. A few late years

848
01:17:11,359 --> 01:17:14,359
later, I was telling you he
moved to Florida. Well, he moved

849
01:17:14,359 --> 01:17:20,119
down to Florida, and he asked
me to come down there and spend the

850
01:17:20,199 --> 01:17:25,680
last couple months with him because he
had talked to the doctor and the mercer

851
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,439
was back, and there's there wasn't
any way he could stop it. It

852
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:36,079
was just so bad that even the
the super antibiotics that they were giving him

853
01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:40,960
just it was just sustaining him,
and if he was to miss one day

854
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:46,399
of it, the sepsis would basically
take over his body. And I was

855
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:54,600
I went up to visit my mom
in Virginia and his fiance called and said,

856
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,079
Hey, he's in the hospital.
He's not breathing, he's on everything.

857
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:00,199
And I told her, I was
like, what are you? Put

858
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:02,359
him on the phone. I spoke
my piece to him. She said,

859
01:18:02,359 --> 01:18:06,159
I don't think he's gonna make it, And within an hour or two she

860
01:18:06,279 --> 01:18:12,319
called back and he was gone.
And that's that's how that worked. Man,

861
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:16,319
It's pretty bad. He you know, he saved her and saved the

862
01:18:16,319 --> 01:18:20,399
little RC, his little winderdog,
and then saved my dad's house. I

863
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:25,119
mean, he he was so worried
about that house that he gave him that

864
01:18:25,239 --> 01:18:27,600
he, you know, had to
go back in and sell and just letting

865
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,760
it burn up and collecting insurance money. He wanted the house that Dad left.

866
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:36,039
So that's how I explained it to
me. Wow, money, I

867
01:18:36,079 --> 01:18:41,840
am so sorry. Your brother.
He was a hero, Yeah, he

868
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:45,239
was. I really regarded him as
that. Yeah. He it was brave.

869
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:46,920
He was brave. Man. I
don't know if I could have went

870
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,760
in there. He said, it
was roaring in there too. Man,

871
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:53,840
I just don't know if I could
have done it. Oh I bet it

872
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,600
was roaring. Well, you know, like I said, he really was

873
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,399
a hero. God bless him.
Thank you. Oh no, you're welcome.

874
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,640
Just don't like it is. Well
many, I've got a laundry list

875
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,920
of questions to ask you, but
we're out of time. Would you be

876
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,159
up for coming back for a part
two next week? Yes? I would,

877
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,439
Yes, I would love that.
That would be my honor to come

878
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:20,560
on here. We'll do that.
Then we'll bring you back and I'll have

879
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:26,000
tons of questions for you and we'll
take it from there. Then all right,

880
01:19:26,039 --> 01:19:29,960
then, all right, Well,
as always, thanks again so much

881
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:53,960
for your time, and have a
great night.