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Big food and be on with Cliff
and Bobo. These guys are you favor

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It's so like say subscribe and rade
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on Yesterday and listening, oh watching
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your hosts, Cliff Berrickman and James
Bubo Fay. Greetings, Bobo, how

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are you doing today? Pretty good? Cliff? How's it going to do?

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Not bad? Not bad? Just
kind of in the after holiday?

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Well, I guess the mid holiday
thing, you know, because Christmas is

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a few days ago in New Year's
is this coming weekend, and of course

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tomorrow is a huge holiday in my
house, at least for me, it

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is. It's my wife's birthday.
So I'm super excited about that. Not

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that that wouldn't be enough by any
means, because that's enough to keep me

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going all year. I just look
forward to my wife's birthday almost more than

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any other holiday. But coincidentally,
it's all so John Wilke's birthday of all

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things. That's right, Yeah,
So don't neglect to send a text to

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John Wilke if you're going to think
if you're thinking about sending a text to

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Melissa for her birthday. So yeah, Did you have a good Do you

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have a good holiday? Bobs?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just I

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got down here early. Had a
family emergency, so I jammed down and

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that's why I wasn't able to make
it to the other day. So that's

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pretty much kind of like the all
consuming kind of thing, you know,

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is sticking around, just been around
the house the whole time. Well,

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you know, you got to enjoy
a family Christmas. That's kind of nice.

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And southern California is a great place
to spend Christmas. You know,

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did it did it drop into the
sixties? Did you have to put a

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jacket on in the evening? I
did put on a light hoodie and when

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it was like eight o'clock at night, we went outside for a walk.

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Yeah. I mean the numbers are
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fifty nine or sixty or something.
It was a little bit chilly. It

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was like sixty seven. Oh my
god, sixty Say it isn't true,

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but you know that no matter what
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know, with that ocean right there, it does get a little chilly for

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whatever reasony the humidity brings something out, you know. Yeah, I feel

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especially if you're sitting around if you're
not doing anything, just sitting there,

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I can get cold for sure,
Little wind. Well, we had a

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good Christmas at the Barracksman household.
I mean, my brother, of course,

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is in southern California, so I
didn't get the chance I spoked him

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on the phone. I didn't see
him or anything. And both my parents

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are pasted, so it's just Melissa
and I because Melissa's family's out in Pittsburgh

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and we spoke to them of course, and all that sort of stuff.

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But I'm really into Christmas nowadays,
and it's not so much the holiday cheer

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and you know, tree and all
that sort of stuff. Although Melissa loves

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that stuff. I just I like
buying gifts for my wife. I get

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it now, you know, I
get it. I'm so excited about just

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giving her cool things and just things
that I enjoy. My favorite gift this

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year that I had a chance to
give her was an assortment of a variety

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pack of pickles. That's Melissa's go
to snacks. It's either two chips or

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like like pickle chips, you know, sort of not chips chips, that's

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not what I mean, but you
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yeah, and then that that's what
she'll snack on, and they say,

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oh that's interesting, because yeah,
that's not really my go to, but

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she loves it, so I said, let's do this. So I got

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a variety pack of weird pickle flavors
for her and she's totally into it.

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That was exciting for me. So
yeah, I just just love spending the

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day with her. We watched a
couple Christmas horror movies. This this big

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stinker from the eighties. It was
it was called Oh you Better watch out.

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What was the name of it,
And of course there's two movies called

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that. There's a more recent one, but this was an old one.

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But that's Christmas at my house murder
movies. We watched Elf Elf. Of

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course, there's a bigfoot scene in
there. Yeah. Yeah, a lot

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of people don't realize that, but
it's true. Also, I figured out

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my dad might be Santa Claus or
at least some kind of high Elf because

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he's been living on the Elf diet
for about three years now. Oh yeah,

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the Elf diet. Candy ice cream
and that's about it. Well,

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your last name is Faye, you
know, I know it's not spelled f

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Euy but that's probably the root word
of it. Oh yeah, it's the

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same. Yeah yeah, And of
course you know this is also for me

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at least Lord of the Ring times, Lord of the Rings time. We

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usually watch the entire extended trilogy between
now in New Year's although we're a little

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bit behind. We didn't get going
on Christmas like we usually do because it

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occurred to me that Lord of the
Rings is also a Christmas movie because it

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has elves in it. No,
I agree, Yeah, yeah, it'd

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be hard to argue that one down, I think. Yeah, so that

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was a holiday. Melissa's birthdays.
Tomorrow, we're going about the dinner.

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I'm going to get her a cake
because cake is probably her favorite thing in

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the world, besides maybe me and
the dog. Well, hey, Matt

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Prude, I know you're lurking in
the background somewhere. How is your Christmas?

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Because you're down in like the tropics, aren't you. Yeah, we're

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in the southernmost point of the US. And it was great Christmas Day.

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It poured rain all day. It
was torrential, so it's sort of like

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a rainforest. So we didn't get
out much on Christmas Day proper. But

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it's been awesome, and I'm sure
we'll be out in out on New Year's

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Eve. It gets pretty wild,
like thousands of people in the streets,

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which isn't exactly my scene anymore,
but we'll we'll walk around, do some

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people watching and then come back.
But it's been a great trip thus far,

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fantastic. Well, at the end
of the year is coming. At

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the end of the year is fast
upon us, actually, so maybe we

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should talk about this year in general, kind of a retrospect sort of thing.

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Everybody else seems to be doing it, so I don't see why we

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can't. So we're going to talk
about some of the big things that we

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think are important from twenty twenty three. So we're going to kind of pool

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our heads here for a second and
just kind of go through what we can

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remember from this past year, which
is probably the hardest part of them all,

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trying to remember this stuff, because
I know that my sense of time

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is very elastic, as I often
say, and I'm I'm assuming that's true

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for Bobo, although Matt pro it
seems to be pretty sharp, so I'm

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not sure about you. Matt.
It seems like you have a pretty lock

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tight memory system going on in there. So I've been thinking about some of

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the things we might be able to
talk about. And when I look back

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at this year, right, and
obviously it starts in January, I'm lucky

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enough to have my Patreon, you
know, my NABC Patreon stuff, because

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I can look back at that and
say, oh, yeah, we started

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the year with doctor Meldrum speaking at
the museum, so that was kind of

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cool and stuff. But when I
go through the entire month of January for

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our museum members, there's a lot
of stuff in there, you know,

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a lot of footprint finds and stuff. I got some submissions from up in

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Washington that I shared with the members. I have some historic you know,

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personal correspondences from John Green and whatever
else that I scanned and shared. But

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of all the stuff that happened that
year, I think or year that month

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of the first month of twenty twenty
three, for me at least, the

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most significant thing was the discovery and
first time ever publishing of historical photos from

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high MBOM from nineteen sixty three.
A woman named Edie Gardner had these photographs

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because you know the nineteen sixty three
High Palm footprints that Bob Timmis took the

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originals are down there in Willow Creek. We have replicas here in the museum.

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We have photographs from the Willow Creek
Museum of the Originals here. But

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no one ever knew these photographs existed. And Edie Gardner was the daughter of

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the landowners where this incident happened.
And the story of it is that she

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moved from California out to West Virginia
and her chiropractor happened like Bigfoot, her

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chiropractors. Of course, Doctor Ruff's
Jones, who is an author. He's

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a great speaker. He's written Tracking
the Stone Man, he wrote The Appalachian

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Bigfoot. He's a good friend and
excellent researcher. So when he heard Edie

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Gardner talking about Bigfoot in these pictures, he kind of notified me and managed

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to get us in touch and actually
arranged to have her donate those photographs at

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the museum. Yeah. Yeah,
right, I'm super super stoked, super

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stoked. Yeah, And they're really
cool. Photographs are little black and white

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photographs. They've got to be maybe
three or four inches square or something like

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that. And sure enough, they
show the footprints of the Sasquatch in the

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ground, and there's plaster in a
couple of them, So nobody ever knew

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that this little piece of history existed
until Edie Gardner had to have her back

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adjusted or whatever she had to have
done. So thankful for that one.

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So yeah to me, I mean, because a lot of my focus,

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of course with the museum is the
history. You know, we're endeavoring to

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preserve the history of the subject because
it's important now. But imagine after the

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discovery of the Sasquatch, all this
pre discovery stuff is going to be even

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more interesting. Oh yeah, this
is a really long discovery process. As

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doctor John Binnerdoggle wrote in his book, this is a very long discovery process,

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and all these little tidbits and historical
nuggets lying around, they're just so

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fascinating. It's one of my favorite
things about working in the museum actually here

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So yeah, the sad stuff,
as I love the history, like I

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always look at through the I look
at it like I appreciate it, but

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I also look at the lens of
once these are recognized creatures that this will

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be important. This particular case,
the high impalm stuff is particularly important for

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several reasons. Really, it was
one of the earlier footprints, you know.

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I mean, the first known Bigfoot
cast that's still in existence at least

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was obtained in nineteen fifty eight,
so this is only five years later.

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So there weren't a whole lot of
footprints at all at this point. And

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the fact that he got I think
three or four of them. I think

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it was three of these things.
I could be wrong, might before I

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have to check my records, but
that did that increased the data set at

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that point dramatically. But the sasquatch
that was present at the time in High

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Impalm in April of nineteen sixty three
was the animal that was named Bigfoot.

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It was the animal Bigfoot that the
Jerry Crew cast. We're pretty certain of

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that, like ninety ninety five percent
sure. In fact, even John Green

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and those guys were saying that back
in the day they'd recognize the foot shape,

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same size, same shape, same
Hallix shape, all that stuff.

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We're pretty certain it is either the
same animal or at the very least a

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very very closely related one because the
foot is so similar in so many ways.

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And if it is the same animal, well that's a long distance high

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and pond the Bluff Creek. That's
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And I think it's safe to say
that the big footprint belongs to a big

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male because in all primates and sasquatches
would be included in that. Obviously,

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in all primates there's a significant sexual
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between boys and girls, and in
this case, boys are bigger than girls,

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you know, the males are bigger
than the females. So it's safe

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to think it's pretty safe to say
that if it is the same animal,

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it's a big male. And there
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were smaller, about fourteen inches long, probably the female and distinctly different than

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the female at Bluff Creek, which
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the only points in the data set
even to this day, it is one

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of the only points in the data
set that has physical evidence of a big

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male or something moving at that moving
to that distance, with females possible females

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associated with it. Now it's a
data point of one so far. Really

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at the end of the day,
and there's some other stuff. There's the

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stuff from tom Shaye and Trimble County
up there with Goliath and everything, But

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this is the furthest that I'm aware
of that we have actually have physical evidence

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of a bigfoot moving. He probably
just said he was going out for cigarettes

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and never came back. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, is that what is

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that lipstick on your coll or is
that is that deer blood on your collar?

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It is so important to preserve that
history because you know, we all

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lamit to some degree, maybe me
more than a lot of other people I

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know, but I know you too
lament it with me as well. That

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a lot of the current cadre or
cohort of you know, squatchers isn't as

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familiar with the history as we would
like them to be. And that's not

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always their fault, because a lot
of it does require sort of being dug

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up and revivified and put into a
new format because a lot of it is

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in books, and a lot of
those books are out of print, and

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so it's hard for people to get
their hands on that stuff. And so

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the work that you're doing, and
that Todd Prescott's doing, and you know

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other people who are bringing that stuff
back into the digital realm, it's not

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even back into the digital realm for
some of it. It's putting it in

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the digital realm for the first time, so people all over the world can

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see it. It sort of keeps
that history alive in a way, and

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it's really important work, I think, and I love seeing it too.

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I'm a geek for all that stuff. Another gikybotuh speaking of historical things.

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Obviously, all big fans of Mark
Marcel And you know, he just was

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nominated Bigfooter of the Year by Daniel
Perez in The Bigfoot Times. Well deserved

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in my opinion, Yeah, a
little late, but but yeah, deserved,

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definitely deserved. And so you know, he's done so much to preserve

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history and it's still uncovering things.
And I know he's hinted here and there

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on social media about the Big Ape
Canyon book that he's writing and submitting things

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to an editor, So I will
definitely be ready to read that when it

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gets released. But I know we've
touched a bit on that. But Cliff,

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you probably know more about that situation
than anyone other than Mark, having

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spent so much time there. But
dude, I know more than I'm allowed

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to say. There's so much I'd
like to spill the beans on, man,

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but there's so many amazing things happening
right now, basically right like the

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last two months in the Ape Canyon
scene. It is absolutely ridiculous. We

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still got to get him on because
there's other things that he experienced in and

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around Bobo that Bobo actually, you
know, for our listeners, Bobo lined

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him up, but at the time
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work at all. We actually tried
to do an episode with him, and

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we'll lock him down and we'll get
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We do need to have him on. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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He's so hard to nail down.
He's like the probably the hardest guy

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to nail down. Isn't that the
pot calling the kettle black? Yeah,

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it's gonna coming from Bobo. He's
way worse. Well, I suppose,

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because we do get you about every
week or so, you know, stay

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tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back

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after these messages. I know people
always write in and ask what the status

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of your documentaries are at the moment, Oh, yeah, you have any

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updates? No, we just need
to It's basically come down to we need

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a benefactor. Well, I don't
know. I mean, you do have

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a lot of ears listening to you
right now. What do you need attention,

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Intel, sugar down. We're just
we got most of it film,

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but you know what we uh so, Yeah, it started out like guys

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using different cameras and and then and
then the editing. One guy was using

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you know, Apple, the guy
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no problem transferring the files and we
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like we've been looking back to their
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box and all the different stuff,
and we were missing audio and on one

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camera for two whole nights, and
then the sound wasn't as good as we

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as we had hoped. Like this
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actually go up there again this spring
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we're gonna see. But yeah,
it's just uh so, now it's getting

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like the editing costs we got,
we got the both of it done,

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and it's a great story and we
got really good stuff, but it's it's

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definitely not complete. Then it's flip
me is just you know, doing the

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editing when he can. So you
have most of the stuff filmed, you

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have to do a little bit more
recreation things. Yeah, and then and

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then the red then the second half
of it, you know, like which

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is you know, distribution and all
that other stuff. Man, that's no

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problem. That's all said. Oh
no, once we get it, dude,

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we're the company that's backing us,
that's putting it out, will have

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us. We'll be like prominent,
like we'll be when you click on Hulu

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or whatever. We'll be on that
first page. Yeah, that's such a

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cool case. I know he Mark
has talked about it a little bit in

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other interviews, but obviously people don't
ask him about it as much as they

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ask about Ape Canyon, and Ape
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But man, you know, because
it's so funny, like not to keep

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harping on online cynics, because I
know we did that in the last episode.

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like, oh, well, why

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is everyone so hung up on these
old cases? Nothing new going on in

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sasquatry. But then there's so much
value in those old cases because they weren't

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inspired by websites or podcasts or television
series like either of these people experienced exactly

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what they said they did, or
there's something else going on, and so

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getting to the bottom of those is
really important. And the fact that we

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all assumed that, oh those have
been you know, no pun intended,

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they've all been mined and those minds
are empty. And then for Mark to

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come along and you realize like,
no, there's so much more there to

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find, or like cliffs work on
the Bossburg case and these other famous cases,

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and so, yeah, the history
is really important. I know,

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a lot of the younger, newer, up and coming sasquatch proponents or researchers

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or enthusiasts should be super excited about
that stuff. And a lot of them

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are small town monsters. Has touched
on a lot of that stuff too.

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Speaking to documentaries, you know,
they've done a good job of showcasing a

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lot of that material too. So
it's that's all great work. Yeah,

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it's well, you know, because
I mean a canyon is awesome. It's

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one of the big three for me, you know. But up there too,

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even maybe more compelling, is the
sixth of the check Coo Indian Devil

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Masker. You know, from the
early, very the very first you know,

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really big foot book Sanderson and you
know, John Green and jat Place

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and all of them had that was
like a cornerstone, you know story,

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and the story was wrong and Mark
figured it out and proved and he's proved

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the basis of it was true and
he's proven that, but it was totally

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off on location and some of the
times and such. Well, yeah,

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I think Ape Canyon because that hit
the ap wire and that was one of

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the first widely circulated Sasquatch stories,
and so that's it's always had that prominent

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position because so many people were aware
of it, whereas the Checho Indian Devil

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massacre didn't quite have the same coverage, you know, because it was earlier

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in time and didn't spread as much
locally. So I think you're right.

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to some degree, as long as people

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like Mark and dig that stuff up
and find and it's really worth covering.

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He actually, I say way it
was him. We were filming him when

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he made some pretty big discoveries,
you know, like you're talking about like

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digging out new things. I mean, people will be like, well,

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that's that's that's really interesting. You
know. Well, I think his work's

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inspired a lot of people too,
because I have friends, you know,

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I don't want to spoil their projects
because I don't know what they're going to

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do with it. But like,
I've got a really dear friend who's digging

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up some old information on an old
case that John Green just briefly mentions and

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apes among us, and so he
thought, oh, well, I'll look

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into this, and I know he
was partially inspired, like, well,

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Mark, Marcel can do this,
Like maybe I can find something too on

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my own. And so he's been
working on that and I think it's inspired

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a lot of people. It's made
me kind of reevaluate, like which old

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cases, if I had the time
and resources, what I want to dig

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into. And there's a few.
There's some from North Georgia, for example,

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that we're mentioned in old print media
articles that I think would be worth

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looking into. So that work resonates
beyond just you and Mark or whoever,

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or just any one case that in
the fact that it inspires the people to

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do the same, and who knows
what else we might find. You need

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a certain certain wired brain to do
what he does. I mean, to

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the level and depth that he does
is astounding. I mean, there's very

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few people with that kind of tenacity
and ability to sit out. I mean

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days and days you can say,
oh, I'll put some time in that,

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but when you do days on,
weeks on years on these little obscure

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things that require so much digging in, you know, the old newspapers and

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especially records. You know, he
has a lot newspapers. Is great,

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but he's you know, waving on
the deeds and mining claims and you know

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he goes pretty deep. Oh yeah, yeah, he's definitely to be commended

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again, kudos for a big fit
of the year. Well deserved, yeah,

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overdue, I would say, I
think he probably deserved that ten years

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ago. Well, you know you
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and that's funny because that's actually the
video I'm working on right now. Like

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I went to Ape Canyon with Mark
and Brad of course his neighbor, and

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then my friend Keith here at the
museum. We all hiked up to eight

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Canyon to go go poke around the
if we can make it down to the

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cabin site. It was ninety ninth
anniversary. Then we went up there and

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spent the night nearby. Because it's
a national monument, there's no camping in

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certain areas up there, so we
had to walk a little bit out of

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the way, and but we walked. We went up to the hill that

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leads down to the cabin site.
I didn't make it all the way down

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this time. I just got about
two thirds of the way down, and

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I said, you know what,
I'm feeling a little off. I'm feel

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a little tired, like I just
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And I'll tell you, man,
I want to make this very clear.

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No one should go to the cabin
site. Okay, it's extraordinarily dangerous.

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Mark has done it like eight times
or something like that. He's a

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lot more comfortable with it than anybody
should be. But like, that's the

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kind of place where you literally one
slip up and you are dead. Like

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I'm there's no joke about it,
man, That place is deadly. But

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yeah, so I because I wasn't
one hundred percent right there, I did

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not choose to go down, or
I chose not to go down. I

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guess there's a better way to say
it. Keith with me, by the

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way, when we got to the
very top, because you got to go

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you got to climb this giant hill
inside his palm dispute, and then there's

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this one or two ways to get
down there, and it's it's very dangerous

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from the get go, from the
very very top. Keith got there,

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he's all fired up. He looks
down, and about three or four minutes

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later, we're tying off and everything
because you know, we're not repelling,

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by the way, I want to
make that clear as well, because all

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that stuff is illegal in that area
without permits and everything. But we were

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using ropes in the same sort of
way people use hiking poles, like you

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don't need them, but sure is
nice to have it, you know,

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So we weren't repelling or do anything
like that. No, No, you

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know en bolats and you know,
garveiners and all that stuff. None of

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that stuff was being used. You
don't, you don't have to use that,

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but man, if you, if
you, you'd be ridiculous to go

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down without a rope, which Mark
did when he initially found it. By

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the way, so Mark is ridiculous
in a lot of ways. But Keith

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was looking down he goes, no, I'm not doing this, No,

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I'm not even I'm not even gonna
start doing this. It took me two

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thirds of the way down before I
realized that, like, gosh, darning,

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Melissa, give me something to live
for, I'll never forgive you.

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And then I turned around and came
back up without a rope too, because

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I couldn't. I couldn't use the
rope, Say tied off, So I

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was kind of scrambling up without a
rope. It was gross. I didn't

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enjoy it at all, But well
I did, but I didn't. I

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really didn't at the time. But
yeah, So I went out there with

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Mark and Brad and everything, and
the culmination of that trip is Mark went

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down to the cabin site. Now
people have probably heard Mark talk on various

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podcasts about how what his process of
discovery and all that jazz. But one

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of the things that clued him in
that he was in the right area is

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that in this spot, and by
the way, there's no reason to go

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to the spot, I guess,
unless you're going to make a cabin to

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mine gold out of in the nineteen
twenties. But those those people in nineteen

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twenties are cut from a different cloth. They're not like people today. They're

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gnarly, clearly gnarly. But one
of the things that clude Mark in that

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he was in the right area were
these stumps that can be seen in some

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of the Oregonian photographs from nineteen twenty
four behind the cabin, and Mark looked

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into how they built cabins at the
time, and if you're building a cabin

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on a slope like this, one
had to be built on the slope because

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there is no flat ground there.
You fell trees above where you want to

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build, so you don't have to
drag the trees around. You have to

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drag the logs around. And so
he located these obviously cut and harvested tree

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stumps, and then he deduced that
below that must be the cabin site,

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and he eventually found it by using
a metal detector and finding a few trinkets

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around and stuff baling wire and a
spoon and stuff like that. Most people

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would probably know the story, or
if you don't, I guess you can

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go back and listen to one of
our episodes something. He talks about a

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lot of that stuff. But this
time when he went down there not only

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had the cabins and by the way, the cabin's gone, I should probably

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see that the cabin's completely gone except
for the support beams. Like the foundational

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support beams there's a slight frame on
three sides that is still present. If

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there's another side, we've never found
it barely discernable. When I was there

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in twenty fourteen, it was barely
discernible at the surface of the ground,

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and only one of the sides was
We kind of did a little dig in

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and found the other ones with our
hands. We felt, and it was

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there this time. When he went
down there, the entire cabin had been

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buried basically by I guess the snow
and whatnot. And this is just from

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last year. I think Mark was
up there last year and saw it,

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if I remember right, the snow
came down and kind of sluffed a layer

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of dirt stuff above it. So
literally the cabin is now buried, as

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it probably gets buried every year or
two or three, but it's been about

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four to six inches of dirt has
slept over it now and then. And

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even those stumps I was mentioning which
were I saw them, They were sticking

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out of the ground, probably six
or eight ten inches or more. All

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of those are now completely invisible as
well. So even if you were at

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the cabin site, you wouldn't know
you're there. There's nothing to see there.

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But I guess the victory of this
past year's trip was a Mark positively

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identified the spring, the spring from
where Fred took the shot at the Sasquatch.

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Fred Beck took the shot at the
Sasquatch when he's at the spring,

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if you're familiar with the story.
They positively identified that because every other year

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that Mark had been there there the
spring was there, but there was no

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water in it, so he couldn't
say that's a spring. So there was

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no water in it until this year. For whatever reason, the hydrology is

406
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.559
a bit different to the mountain and
there was water coming out of the spring,

407
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:41.279
so he positively identified that. I'll
show the big eruption in nineteen eighty

408
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.920
had something to the little water spring
flows around there. That's what Mark has

409
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.519
always assumed that the eruption kind of
changed the hydrology the mountain and that spring

410
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.839
just kind of stopped given. But
this year there was water in it,

411
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.359
so probably changed it. But I
don't think it cut it off, which

412
00:26:55.400 --> 00:27:00.960
is nice. But I guess the
really big news this year as far as

413
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:04.839
Ape Canyon goes, is the rediscovery
of the mine entrance. It was discovered.

414
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:07.920
I think this past September. I
want to say the fourth, but

415
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:12.200
I can check the photographs. A
guy named Brayden Mitchell, Braiden Mitchell,

416
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:19.400
and his brother Jared and his cousin
Jake. They are the grandchildren of Betty

417
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:26.200
Mitchell, whose name before she's married
was Smith, who is Leroy Smith's daughter

418
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:33.319
and Marion Smith's granddaughter. Marion Smith
was one of the miners with Fred Beck

419
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:38.599
at the cabin when they got attacked. So the great grandson and his brother

420
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:44.960
and cousin rediscovered the mine entrance.
Now, if that's not poetic, I

421
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:47.200
don't know what is. Man.
And of course Mark had a hand and

422
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.559
Dad he told him where to look
approximately, you know, and those guys

423
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:55.039
snooped around they discovered the spring on
accident and trying to look around for this

424
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.079
thing. And they eventually made their
way even further down than Mark had gone,

425
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:00.640
which is why kept and found it. Yet it is about seventy five

426
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:04.200
feet below them, I guess.
But they eventually made their way and found

427
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:10.880
the actual mine entrance, which is
absolutely fantastic. And I so stoked for

428
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.440
the guys, Braiden in those guys
to have located it, because you know,

429
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.559
I mean, your great grandfather is
involved in this historic event that's shaped

430
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.279
so many people's lives and you get
to rediscover it. You're the first guy

431
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.720
to look at this since at least
pre eruption. At least pre eruption.

432
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.920
The last person I'm aware of,
and I got this information from Mark.

433
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.920
The last person I'm aware of that
saw the mine entrance was somebody related to

434
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.079
one of the miners. I can't
remember who. And it was like in

435
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.319
the middle late nineteen seventies, like
nineteen seventy six or eight or something like

436
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.319
that, so before eruption. So
it's pretty exciting, man. I think

437
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.519
that's probably one of the biggest things. It is unquestionably one of the biggest

438
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:53.119
things in Bigfoot that happened this year. Yeah, if people want to do

439
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.000
a deep dive into that. Like
our good friends, you know, we've

440
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.680
had Mikah Hanks on this podcast and
Micah, Jeff and Smoke you're really good

441
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.319
friends of mine. And they have
a podcast called Sasquatch Tracks, and they

442
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.640
released an episode last month called Return
to Ape Canyon Rediscovery of the Vayne or

443
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.960
White Mine, and and if they
interview Mark as well as Braiden and Jared

444
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.920
and It's a really deep dive,
super informative, great episode. Love those

445
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.640
guys, and so I would if
people want to hear the whole story,

446
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:23.440
that's a great place to go.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with

447
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:33.799
Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
back after these messages. You know,

448
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.000
I'm in touch with Braiden now that
Mark has put us in contact to another

449
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:42.559
because I think I think I was
saying this with talking to you about this

450
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.920
last week. Matt. I'm not
sure, but twenty twenty four is the

451
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.400
one hundredth year anniversary. It is
the centennial of the Ape Canyon event,

452
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.279
and of course we're going to be
celebrating it every single moment of our lives

453
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:57.640
here at the North American Bigfoot Center. I'm setting aside a big section of

454
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:03.279
our wall for a new Ape Canyon
display. We're gonna be retelling the story.

455
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:08.000
I'm gonna loop Mark into this talking
about the rediscovery process and Brayden and

456
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.160
those the young young gentlemen who helped
them out are allowing me to use their

457
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.759
photographs that they took at the site, so I know what they put it

458
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.200
out on. They put a couple
of those things out online on some Facebook

459
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.160
page or something like that, so
you'll be able to see those here in

460
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.160
the NABC, and then we'll be
doing other things as well. We'll have

461
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:27.480
Mark down here for a talk at
some point, or at least that's our

462
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:33.200
goal. We're making a We do
a special North American Bigfoot Center coin every

463
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.240
year, so this is this year
is going to be a centennial Ape Canyon

464
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:37.480
coin and yeah, so it's gonna
it's gonna be a great thing. Man,

465
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.519
It's gonna be a great year.
Super excited about the Ape Canyon stuff.

466
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.160
And there's even other stuff that Mark
hasn't talked about publicly but I know

467
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.359
about because I'm helping them with it
a little bit on the side. And

468
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.559
if we can, if everything goes
well, you'll be able to check out

469
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:55.680
some really cool, amazing historic stuff
that I can't talk about yet here at

470
00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:00.200
the NABC on display in twenty twenty
four. Cool. Huh, dude,

471
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.000
you don't know that half of it. It's going to be a rat.

472
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.119
Yeah, it sounds like a that's
recent history. This just came out recently.

473
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.359
I don't know if we're going sequentially
through the year, but that whole

474
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:18.200
huge art gallery found in the Colora
Cliffs up there above Castle Rock Playblow.

475
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.440
So yeah, I mean they found
those ones, and there's that one,

476
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.240
and they article they have a perfect
picture of a sasquatch foot and they got

477
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.240
the little measuring ruler below, you
know, the black and white squares for

478
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:34.599
every inch, and it's like a
sixteen inch by like eight inch squatch footprint

479
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.759
carved in the rocks. Yeah.
I thought that was a pretty remarkable image

480
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:42.240
because in one of the other images
you could see clearly what we're intended to

481
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.440
be bear tracks, like a four
paw and a hind paw, and they

482
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.480
look markedly different. And then you
see other depictions of like human feet and

483
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.319
this is at the cool stuff there
too. You know. Unfortunately it's kind

484
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:57.559
of defaced, but they're still historical
value because I guess some famous like frontiersmen

485
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:02.000
or cowboys or whatever sign their names
on that same wall, dated in like

486
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:06.079
the you know, different times in
the eighteen hundreds, and so you can

487
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.559
see in some of those images where
they were photographing like the frontiersman names,

488
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:15.920
you can also see those bear tracks
and they're just so markedly different than that,

489
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:19.599
you know, very large, very
broad footprint with the toes. I

490
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.000
mean it almost looks like one of
the Bluff Creek casts or something. It's

491
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.359
pretty wild. Let's just said,
looks like a ray wallash fake. Yeah,

492
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.200
it kind of does. Yeah.
And of course he was talking about

493
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:35.319
a newspaper article that came out just
a few weeks ago, from about mid

494
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.759
December sometime, talking about a find
in the Castle Rock Pueblo settlement. It

495
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:43.759
is in Colorado, and these sort
of things are called rock panels. I've

496
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.759
seen a couple of them in person. I saw. I was lucky enough

497
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:52.480
to go see the Wolfman panel down
in Utah, kind of this inexplicable,

498
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:59.119
strange bipedal thing that's carved into the
rocks alongside human beings which are terribly different

499
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.440
than the wolfman thing looks like.
And they call it the Wolfman panel because

500
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:07.720
it has long sort of long fingers
kind of interpreted as its claws and big

501
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.039
feet on it, and a very
inhuman looking in general. I took a

502
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.480
photograph of it. I put it
on the wall here at the museum.

503
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.279
It's pretty cool, but this particular
panel is brand new. No one knew

504
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:21.480
kind of no one had seen it
before basically or documented it. And sure

505
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:24.519
enough man, there is a really
nice looking, very likely sasquatch footprint,

506
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:28.000
I think, right in the middle
of it. It is square, the

507
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.799
toes go there is a slant to
the toes, of course, but there's

508
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:36.200
five very clear toes going down the
side of it. It is very very

509
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.440
interesting. And of course, and
some of the other photographs of the panels,

510
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:42.880
you can see goats, you can
see people, you can see all

511
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.160
this sort of stuff, and it
looks very different than that possible big foot

512
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.279
footprint. Any know, if you've
ever seen newspaper, rock or any of

513
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.599
those other panels down there in the
Four Corners area, they a lot of

514
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:57.559
them have footprints on it. A
lot of them have footprints on it,

515
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.359
and of course sasquatches are in the
area. You gotta wonder how many those

516
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:06.440
footprints are depicted to be humans and
how many are supposedly sasquatches, because certainly

517
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.400
the native people in the area are
aware of bigfoots. And some of those

518
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:14.519
footprints look very human like, with
the longitude of large and whatnot, and

519
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:19.719
some of them look very inhuman no
longitudinal, large, very blocky looking.

520
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.679
The proportions are very bigfooty in a
lot of ways. So yeah, This

521
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.760
is an interesting find and it'll be
much more interesting to the scientists once they

522
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.800
catch up and realize that sasquatches are
in factorial animals. They'll catch up eventually.

523
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.880
They're bound too. Oh yeah,
well they're going to have to eventually,

524
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:38.199
I think. As far as other
big news this year, we have

525
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.280
to mention the North Carolina State University
study of an Oh God, yes,

526
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.920
Vegas. Yeah. People write in
very often to ask if we have updates,

527
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.079
and you know, I think it's
fair to say there's no updates that

528
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.280
have been released by the university or
by Darby or Cut yet, so we're

529
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.920
all still waiting. But that is
just a huge deal, first of its

530
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:59.360
kind. And once again, listeners
should go back to the episode we did

531
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.320
with Darby org Cut to learn more
about that study. But that's one of

532
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:07.039
the biggest deals in the realm of
science that's willing to look at something like

533
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:08.840
this. You know, we don't
know what they'll find, or if they

534
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.400
found anything yet, or if they
will find anything, but it's a huge

535
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.199
deal. We do know samples have
been submitted, though I've been hearing whispers

536
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.760
of this person or that person or
this thing got submitted. I know I

537
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.159
think at least Doug is working to
some degree with Darby with the legendmate science

538
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.880
too. Again, but I'm not
really closely involved in all that except for

539
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.679
the things that I was helping Dug
out with. But yeah, I think

540
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.800
we're all gonna be sitting on pins
and needles for the first couple of press

541
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.800
conferences in that in that realm,
I think, now, what about field

542
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.719
stuff, because I know I've been
doing a lot of field stuff, and

543
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.440
I'll tell you that this year has
been extraordinary as far as field work goes

544
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:50.159
in my life. At least I've
kind of dubbed twenty to twenty three for

545
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:54.960
me at least as a year the
handprint, because we've gotten an astonishing number

546
00:35:54.960 --> 00:36:00.039
of handprints at this moment, just
this past year. And not just me

547
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.519
either, friends of mine who are
working this in similar areas, sometimes the

548
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:10.280
same areas as I am. Like, I can think of one investigator two

549
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.039
who work together. They go out
together, so there's one team of investigators

550
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.880
in my spot here or one of
my spots, and off the top of

551
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.880
my head, gosh, I think
they've cast at least five handprints, well

552
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.480
at least four handprints, and I
know that because I'm currently copying three of

553
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.239
them. I've got three of them
under latex at this moment making copies either

554
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:36.519
display for the museum or to get
doctor Meldrum or whatever. But yeah,

555
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.199
and some of their handprints have been
very, very interesting. But that's them.

556
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.119
When I look at the NABC team
here, I mean we cast one,

557
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.199
two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight eight

558
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.920
in a period of like two and
a half weeks, three weeks. Crazy

559
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.519
it is, It's totally crazy.
But you know, it was the same

560
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.039
area seventy yards apart, I might
add, not that far apart at all.

561
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.840
I took you there, bo,
so that that spot that we went

562
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.880
to. Yeah, and they were
on the side of the road, on

563
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:09.599
the hill, on the side of
the road, you know, like a

564
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.000
road is cut in the side of
the hill, and so these things were

565
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.960
using our hands to go up,
you know, up the hill basically.

566
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:20.159
So it makes sense, you know, if they're traveling uphill that they're especially

567
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:23.280
the steepness of this particular hill,
that they would use their hands. And

568
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:28.559
you know, there's been a couple
other fines as well. Just in fact

569
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:34.360
on on on December eighteenth, why
I believe the date was Dave. I

570
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.119
talked about this at the podcast last
week, but I think this year alone,

571
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.159
I think we've cast something like nine
or ten hand prints, just just

572
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:46.400
my team. This is crazy,
it's insane, insane. But you know

573
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.159
what that means to me, Well, I mean very very lucky, and

574
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.599
I have a lot of reason for
gratitude. But besides that, besides that,

575
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.960
I remember conversations with doctor Meldrum and
we're discussing. I was, well,

576
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.920
you know this particular siding it was
down running on all fours, or

577
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.480
you know, I had this other
thing where it went down and they noticed

578
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:07.559
that it was actually running on the
knuckles at the time, and you know,

579
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.800
the conversations like that, and doctor
meldrum comment is like, well,

580
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.400
you know, if they're down on
all fours so often, you'd think we

581
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.280
would have more handprints. And I
believe, and I don't want to put

582
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.719
words in Jeff's mouth or anything like
that, I should probably ask them,

583
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.440
but I kind of took that as
like, well, they're probably not down

584
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:28.239
on the ground that much, because
who would have more handprints? But now

585
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:30.599
I'm thinking, well, gosh,
we kind of have a lot of handprints

586
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.599
even from this one year, and
it's not like they just started going down.

587
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:37.400
I think done on all fours.
I think that what it is is

588
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:45.760
that, from my experience, footprints
themselves are very, very difficult to notice.

589
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.639
I've said it a lot, but
Sasquatch footprints are not with the John

590
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:53.000
Green books and the Crantz books and
all that, like they skew our perception.

591
00:38:53.559 --> 00:39:00.000
Those are extraordinary footprints. Those are
extraordinary footprint and said are easy to

592
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:07.119
see because they're deep and clear and
unambiguous. The vast majority of Sasquatch footprints

593
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.400
in the ground are subtle and most
likely missed by anybody, but somebody who's

594
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.199
looking for them. Yeah, like
I said, I must have gone by,

595
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:20.199
I must have looked at them a
million times with like that's that's weird,

596
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.840
you know, like you know,
just yeah, we're all so used

597
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:24.920
to looking for feet. Yeah,
and then and then you when you bring

598
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:30.760
hands into the mix, almost nobody
is looking for a hand. Uh.

599
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.599
In fact, I'll say that no
one's looking for a hand. They see

600
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.760
something in the ground and they go
what is that And they realize it's a

601
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:42.039
hand later, But they're not looking
for a hand. Like they haven't they

602
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.400
haven't calibrated their brain to see that, you know what I mean. Yeah,

603
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.599
so I think that is the number
one reason more handprints aren't found.

604
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.400
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
I mean, I admit I'm fully guilty

605
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:58.360
that I must have seen I must
have seen knuckle prints. And I still

606
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.760
try to ask this all the time
people, and it's you don't get the

607
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:06.280
the straightest answers when people say they
were running on all fours, like are

608
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:08.920
their hands out like palms down?
Are they knuckles down? Oh? I

609
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:14.440
asked that. I asked that,
and I think twice now the people saw

610
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.719
it clear enough that they said knuckles
yeah. Yeah. But most of the

611
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.880
time you probably wouldn't even notice.
I think that's the other thing I was

612
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.079
going to say is that that's what
makes it really because you think, like

613
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:27.719
you'd think those are toes, but
they don't. They don't match up right

614
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.880
because you're when you're looking at the
knuckle, if they're looking at their on

615
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:35.880
their knuckles, that looks like a
bear forepaw, you know, because the

616
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.719
middle knuckles like you know, the
bear toe. I'm sure I've looked at

617
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.960
a handprint before, or a knuckle
print, I guess you should call it,

618
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:49.360
or a fist print and and uh
just thought it was like a messed

619
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.639
up you know, hand like a
not a very good quality hand you know,

620
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.960
footprint, you know, or possible
bear probably bear or something takes a

621
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.159
lot of time and a lot of
weird interpretation. That'd be great to get,

622
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.960
you know, like some retire or
you know, someone that did well

623
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:08.719
and cashed out early like that is
really you know, they could spend time

624
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:13.000
in that area, like with good
equipment and you know, like just be

625
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.960
out there at twenty four to seven. It's just a matter of being out

626
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:17.440
there, man, It's just a
matter of going as much as possible.

627
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.159
One of those other investigators I mentioned
in the area that are working with us,

628
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.440
we're kind of working on two coordinated
teams going back and forth. They

629
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:30.280
saw one and they saw one in
June, and of course I the year

630
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.519
or two ago, Nico saw one
in the same general area too, So

631
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.880
two sightings in the last year and
a half or something like that. One

632
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.119
spot and you know, a dozen
footprints and hand prints. Not bad,

633
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:44.840
that's great. Oh, it's epic. It's epic. Yeah. I think

634
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:50.280
in terms of productivity in the field, certainly what the NABC is doing is

635
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.239
unrivaled, and especially this year for
sure, because you brought up you know,

636
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:57.760
is anything going on in the field, And I think that's that's the

637
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.719
big show. I know, the
Olympic Project are doing some really good work.

638
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.599
And you know, Chris had just
published a report I think online it's

639
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.639
about seventy pages about a track find
they were involved with, and then also

640
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:12.039
their audio work and continuing work in
the nest site. But I think what

641
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.280
you guys are doing there is very
productive and very informative. Well, it's

642
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:20.119
certainly the thing I'm most excited about, you know, because I mean my

643
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.360
hands are in the thick of it. You know, I was out in

644
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.280
the garage last night burning out some
of the organic material as the cast is

645
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.400
drying. You know. Oh,
well you should be. I mean that's

646
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.360
that's the thing about you know,
doing a year recap. I mean,

647
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.880
obviously the work that you do is
the kind of work that you're hoping will

648
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.760
you know, if fruitful, will
have an impact and be counted amongst those

649
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.079
things. So yeah, I think
you should definitely, you know, include

650
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.320
that it. Here's my favorite things
that happened this year, and it's certainly

651
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:50.239
among mine too, you know,
it's it's well earned. Stay tuned for

652
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.280
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo. We'll be right back after these

653
00:42:53.320 --> 00:43:02.119
messages. Well, let's talk about
that Chris Spencer thing. Man, Let's

654
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.880
give a kudos where kudos are due, man, because that's that's pretty cool

655
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.480
too. Yeah, And I was
lucky enough Chris brought all those the original

656
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.119
footprint casts to the NABC, so
I had a chance to sit down with

657
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.599
them and kind of go over them. Except I've a fair amount of experience

658
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:20.480
looking at these things and the interpreting
casts and whatever else, and I just

659
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.679
showed them like, well this could
be this. What do you think of

660
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.920
that? And we kind of bounced
things back and forth. I've got photographs

661
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.519
of all the original casts, and
Chris is published all that stuff. Matt,

662
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.239
do you know where that that that
report is available online? Because Chris

663
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.480
just emailed it to me. I
don't know where to get it. I'll

664
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:37.639
make sure to put that link in
the show notes for listeners. We know

665
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:44.360
something. A small newspaper article came
out in April and the point of it

666
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:46.719
was that Clallam County. You know, they're right, Port Angelus's stuff is

667
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:52.800
now officially designated a refuge for Sasquatches. Cool. Yeah, totally cool.

668
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.880
Yeah. You know who's behind all
this. A teacher is behind all this.

669
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.519
And she got her students and I
think she's from the Grays Harbor County

670
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.920
area. I met her. She's
been in the shop. She came in

671
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:06.239
and told me what she's been up
to, and I said, you are

672
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.159
amazing. You're just awesome. Good
for you. Yeah. So she's getting

673
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:15.079
her students kind of socially and you
know, I guess, politically involved,

674
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:20.920
and they're writing to commissioners and doing
all this sort of stuff saying, hey,

675
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.000
you should do this because it's free
and it's cool and all this other

676
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:29.519
stuff. And it is and it
empowers young people to be active in their

677
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.880
communities and you can make a difference
and all that other good stuff that we're

678
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.239
always taught. I just love it
when a teacher does this sort of thing,

679
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:40.000
like empowers his or her students to
do good in the world, because

680
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.599
there's so many people out there doing
bad in the world, but so little

681
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.719
bit of love goes a long ways, you know, and so these students

682
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:51.679
got it going. I think that's
also happening. I think it happened in

683
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:55.519
Grey's Harbor County because of the historical
events down there. Oh, which brings

684
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.960
up another thing that I was a
highlight for my year. At least.

685
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:01.719
It took me ten years, and
I couldn't have done it with that my

686
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:06.760
help, the help of my very
good friend John Pickering, I was finally

687
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:09.719
able to sit down with Sheriff Dennis
Hereford for a name. Oh yeah,

688
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:13.000
yeah, to me, that was
huge for that was that? That was

689
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.559
huge? So jealous, Oh it
was. It was so cool and he

690
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.079
was such a nice guy and he
doesn't like to speak to very many people.

691
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.159
But because John put in a good
word for me, I am forever

692
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.239
in John's debt. Uh. And
of course you know, I've now given

693
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.440
those raw files to Matt prut Here
to do his sorcery with. So one

694
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:34.559
of these days, when all hell
breaks loose and neither one of us can

695
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.760
make it to the podcast, Matt
will piece together some magic out of that

696
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:42.639
and we'll put it out there for
our our our folks out here listening.

697
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.440
So oh, I'm definitely not going
to miss that one. Yeah, And

698
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.840
of course I have transcripts of it
as well. A friend of mine,

699
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.159
Susannah Branch is her name. She
volunteers every once in a while here at

700
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.400
the museum. We have a couple
of volunteers now doing really fun, cool

701
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:02.519
stuff. But Susanna's putting really fun
for me because she's an eighty something year

702
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:08.039
old woman and she has some experience. She's a She worked for police departments

703
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.280
and various places down at Silverton for
that's where she lived. I think most

704
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.960
of her work was down there.
She worked for various sheriff's departments and police

705
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.159
departments, but she also worked for
Peter Burn in the Bigfoot research project.

706
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.400
She was a volunteer for the Bigfoot
research project. So now it's kind of

707
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.559
come It's like full circle, you
know. Now she's volunteering for me.

708
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.920
So I think that's kind of fun
and cool. That's a classic. Yeah.

709
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.800
Yeah, she just wanted to be
involved in the subjects somehow. And

710
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.880
you know, every once in a
while, every few months, I get

711
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:42.039
together with some friends of mine.
They're generally most of them are quite a

712
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:44.400
bit older than me. They're like
the Larry Lund and Joe B. Lark

713
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.119
crew, you know, like the
people in their seventies. They get together

714
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:50.719
and they all kind of we all
have breakfast together. So that's kind of

715
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:52.480
fun. And she's a she's part
of that group now, so she shows

716
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:58.960
up to the meetings and they share
war stories basically. So aw school.

717
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:01.679
Yeah, totally cool, a lot
of fun. One thing I'm gonna do

718
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.119
when I'm down in Southern College,
I'm gonna go do a night down at

719
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:08.360
least one night down at San Diego
with Brian, the guest we had on

720
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:13.119
a couple of weeks ago in San
Diego. I had a lot of people

721
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.320
that like, you know, write
to the other that are that are you

722
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.639
know, skeptical. There's a lot
of like the you know, like those

723
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:21.199
shoot holes and guests we have on
stors. You should have said this to

724
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.280
the guy. You should have said
that to the guy, and uh,

725
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.679
they're right saying that guy he's the
real deal. That guy's tell the truth

726
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.159
absolutely. You know. I didn't
get any negative responses like I don't believe

727
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:35.800
that guy or anything like that.
It was all positive. It's very rare

728
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:40.880
nowadays. Yeah, we know we're
quickly running out of time, but we

729
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.079
would be fools. We would be
fools that I would despise if if we

730
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:50.559
didn't take this opportunity to mention in
my opinion, the most important book published

731
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.760
this year it which of course belongs
to the lovely and talented Matt Prutt,

732
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:59.400
the phenomenal Sasquatch. I think that
was a book that had long been due

733
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:04.920
and filled a hole because a lot
of too many big Foot books are just

734
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:08.519
kind of rehashing the stuff. Very
very little is offered nowadays. In my

735
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:13.280
opinion, that gives us something new
to chew on. But you know,

736
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.440
don't listen to me, man,
We got map proot on the line.

737
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.400
Matt, do you think your book's
important at all? Well, i'd like

738
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:21.559
to think so. I mean,
obviously, when you take on a project

739
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:25.039
like that, you wanted to have
an impact. I aimed as high as

740
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:30.079
I possibly could, and so I
certainly would hope that it resonates with people

741
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.880
in that way, and that I
came at least as close to the mark

742
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.039
as I tried. You know,
I tried to get this dead center bullseye

743
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.119
just as high as I could read. So if it came anywhere near there,

744
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.559
I'll be more than happy and grateful. So certainly, you know,

745
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.800
I wouldn't have even tried to do
it if I didn't think it would be

746
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:51.639
an important contribution hopefully for the year
and even more hopefully for beyond that.

747
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.440
So hopefully. So that's gonna be
that you wrote a classic. Proud that's

748
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:59.480
in. That's on every Big Footers
you know of us have a list.

749
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.480
I mean, it's for everybody.
I greatly appreciate. It's been nice to

750
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:07.719
see that included in some people's lists
this year, and really really appreciate that

751
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:08.880
because you know, it only came
out in the last half of the year,

752
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:14.400
so glad to see that really means
a lot. Well, we've sold

753
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.440
over one hundred copies since we've got
it in, so it's doing very well.

754
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.679
It's one of the top sellers at
our bookstore by far. Oh very

755
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.960
cool. I'm so glad to hear
that. Yeah, I've been driving people

756
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:25.800
there like, hey, if you
want to get a signed copy, you

757
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.360
know, And once again like I
just don't. I travel so much and

758
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.440
I try to be in the field
as much as possible, and I just

759
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:36.480
don't have the infrastructure to do like
personal orders, like keep something on stock

760
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.639
and manage transactions and shipping. You
know, if I did, the orders

761
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:44.199
would just back up and nothing would
get shipped for weeks. And so I'm

762
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.760
just grateful to have an outlet where
I can sell signed copies and go through

763
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.559
the in ABC, which is,
you know, in my opinion, like

764
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:55.280
the greatest institution out there devoted to
Sasquatchroyd. So I appreciate you give me

765
00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:00.320
that outlet very much. Well,
I'll tell you you were the number two

766
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:04.679
selling book. Well, I think
that's true. You were the number two

767
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:09.480
selling book in the museum, second
only to Joe Beelart's book now, which

768
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.880
is the big Foot Highway Book.
But you know, mind you that was

769
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.760
written about here. That was written
about the Clacamus River, which is right

770
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.639
here, and it's been for sale
all year. Yeah, it has been

771
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.119
for sale all year, of course, and Joe only outsold you by one.

772
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:28.119
The next round of copies that I
send to you, I'll put some

773
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.000
masking tape over the word phenomenon and
I'll just write Oregonian and we'll see.

774
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:36.599
Yeh, there you go a little
about you pout eat me alive. I

775
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:40.039
know I lost by what I'd be
reminds me of my fantasy football loss last

776
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:44.760
week. There's always twenty twenty four. You know it's funny. I saw

777
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:51.280
an article in the h oh god, what's that Sale Times, and it's

778
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:54.480
uh. Five audiobooks will change your
mind about Bigfoot. What they went with

779
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:59.360
in the Valleys of Noble Beyond,
of the Noble Beyond in the Search of

780
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:04.320
the Sasquad by John Zeta, and
they had were Bigfoot walks crossing the doct

781
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:10.119
divided by former guests doctor Robert Pyle. And uh. Fourth was for younger

782
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:15.280
listeners, the Finding the big Foot
book. That's right. Did you read

783
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:16.199
that? You didn't read that,
did you? Yeah, that's me.

784
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:21.239
That's my melodious voice, I said, melodius not malodorous by the way,

785
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.440
uh voice. Yes, it says
you're writing it says an article. Yeah,

786
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:29.559
Cliff Berckman right with youthful Gusto.
I know, isn't that rad youthful

787
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:37.679
Gusto And that's my middle name being
a Human Adventures in forty Thousand Years of

788
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:42.519
Conscious Consciousness by Charles Foster. Yeah, I added this Charles Foster book to

789
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.400
my wish list. I hadn't heard
of him before. And then there was

790
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.400
that one, and there was another
book of his that seemed interesting, So

791
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.239
I will definitely give those a read. So Seattle Times brought my attention to

792
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:53.960
something new. So definitely, and
being a Beast was this other one?

793
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.280
Yeah, and so I added both
of those, but I haven't read them

794
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.639
yet, but I'm looking forward to
it. Well, you know, we're

795
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:01.840
pretty much out of time here.
Why don't we jump over to the members

796
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:06.559
episode. We can continue our meandering
conversation over there, Me Andrew, that's

797
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.199
a kind word for it. Thank
you, mucho Gusto. Wait, what

798
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:16.480
is that youthful Gusto? I'm going
to say mucho Gusto instead classic. So

799
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:21.000
yes, that wraps up twenty twenty
three, because if we hear this will

800
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.679
be twenty twenty four, and we
appreciate all the support this last year,

801
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:29.320
folks. And yeah, thank you. We're going to continue this conversation on

802
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.360
Patreon for loyal listeners. It's only
five dollars a month. You can sign

803
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:37.159
up looking at the notes down below. You have Patreon member and until next

804
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:46.119
year, y'all keep it squashy.
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805
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:51.000
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806
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:54.480
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807
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808
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Beyond that's an N in the middle,

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and tweet us your thoughts and questions
with the hashtag Bigfoot and Beyond