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here and so happy that you guys are joining us. We want to talk
about our guests and bring them on pretty quickly because we have a lot to
talk about. These guys. They are part of what is called the IDC
Institute Mission Project, and we're going to talk about that in a minute.
But individually, we are featuring Skyray. Medium Sky Ray, who is born
as Amy Caprio in Central Pennsylvania. Skyray is a natural born psychic medium.
She is a spiritual healer, teacher, psychic advisor, counselor evidential medium,
and that's something we've talked about. That's an ability to produce evidence of your
mediumship self transformational coach. A freends Nick forens Nick Hello Chris Can I speak
psychic medium. She works with law enforcement or unsolved or missing person cases.
Donating time to help solve missing person cases is one of the two ways she
gives back to a community. J W. Praither Prather is the owner,
founder, designer, and builder of IDC Devices. Paranormal Investigative equipment is no
stranger the paranormal and with over thirty years of experience working with electrical components and
electronics, he has been creating personalized paranormal equipment since twenty ten. Jay is
not your typical equipment builder, though his equipment is experimental and meant for the
seasoned investigators that focus on data research and correlation among different techniques used in an
investigation. So their mission statement as IDC is our goal is to explore the
depths of supernatural mechanisms using quantum physics and mechanics the metaphysical, a combination of
ancient techniques advanced technologies, as well as previously classified government research to experiment with
space, time and alternate realities. And if you're a fan of the show,
you know this is just like up made first and KT Stafford and how
to to make the measurements and everything. So this is going to be wonderful.
All right, let's going on. Hello, guys, welcome, We're
doing great. We're very excited to have you on and hear about your project
in yourselves personally and how this all came together. I know, Jay,
I did I pronounce you your last name Rob is a prothor pray. I
should have aday, Thank you, sir. I'm sorry I should have asked
you that. Well, we're just talking backstage. Uh, Jay, you
have a video, as guy sent me where you kind of break down what
this project is about. And I don't know if maybe you want to surmise
a little of that, the different components of what's going into this because it's
a big project. We're not talking about uh you know, all right,
we formed a paranormal team and we're going to a haunted house. There's a
lot of stuff, a lot of moving parts in this. Yes. Um,
of course us started out as just a builder, designing equipment. Of
course, I was a retired master electrician. I knew about testing the environment.
I've been an electrical all my life, and I started out designing equipment
that I thought that other investigators would want to use. And it was equipment
that I definitely wanted to use. And let's face it, most equipment that
we would love to use on investigation sites, we just can't afford it.
It's really high tech equipment. It's very expensive. So that's where I started,
and over the years working with this equipment, my theories kept growing,
the equipment keep growing, kept growing to where I'm at the point where I'm
at I am now with the IDEC Institute. IDC Devices is where I came
from. IDEC Institute is basically what I'm doing now, and I'm building a
designing equipment that will allow us to go out into the field and run these
experiments. Based on what you just said about our mission statement. It allows
us to delve into both sides, the metaphysical as well as modern known sciences.
But we look at the ancient sciences. We looked at we look at,
you know, everything that's come before, everything that we have now.
We also look at everything that government releases. We look at that see how
it fits in with our theories. And then but here's the biggest difference.
Most of everything that's done when investigate our research now is done in laboratories,
whether it's in institutes, universities, or the government. They do it and
control laboratories. I'm just crazy enough to take all that, flip it on
its heads, create my own experiments, and then we take it out into
these known purported locations where people are experiencing stuff, and that's where we perform
our experiments is on site in those locations. That's excellent. So you're saying
you're taking things from like the laboratories of Saint Paras Psychology, places like the
Monroe Institute h Dean Aiden's work, and taking that out into the field to
experience it in real time exactly everything that they that that we've that I've been
able to get my hands on that fits my theories, or even if it
doesn't fit my theories, I look at it in my calculations as I'm going
along to try to figure out, you know, there's something there lake such
as I don't have a collider. I wish I did a thing that I
don't, but the hatrid collider they discovered the Higgs boson. Well, for
years I've hypothesized that something had to be slowing us down and speeding us up.
And I was like, well, God's doing it, or a creator
or whatever. However, no offense to anybody whatever you decide jumping slowing us
down. Well, now we know that they describe the Higgs boson as the
God particle, and it's supposedly will add mass to photons in order to slow
those down so that they're not faster than the speed of light. It determines
the weight of the particle. Yes, it just adds mass. Well to
me, if God the Creator, a creator wanted to slow us down to
where we live for fifty to one hundred years, he would use something like
that in order to slow us down so we discover love, death, grief,
ecstasy, desires, all of these things that he wanted us to experience.
He would do something like the Higgs boasting. When we look at spirit
spirit matter, some people can't say spirit matter, but spirit and matter are
different, but they were both created equally. So spirit, whether you say
energy, psyche, spirit, whatever, all of that energy was created in
the blink of an eye. You could say God did it in genesis or
you could say there was a big bang. Either way, all the energy
that was ever going to be created was created at that moment and it continues
to travel forever. Matter also is energy of a vibration, which he's so
so frequent of the vibration and where he's going is what we're trying to do
with the conscious, the different conscious levels is we're either trying to match or
raise the frequency within these experiments to get the clients. How do I want
to say that Jay, whatever the client is looking to produce for theirselves,
for their knowledge, because we're here to teach and help them in a high
speed versus in a quick class. You know, I've been teaching classes internationally
for years. But what him and I coming together have figured out we can
do this at a faster rate to reach more people and to help more people,
and it helps people in their daily lives in every area of their life.
With these experiments, it's not just we're ghost hunting. We're not ghost
hunters. We're researchers, were venors. We create. There's a big friends.
I love this and just for our audience to clarify, you're trying to
speak or communicate with a raise your frequency to the consciousness of either maybe a
deceased human or some sort of non humanity in the particular environment. Is that
everything has a frequency, everything has a vis. I don't use the word
ghosts, and now I'm going to upset some people. Right now, there's
those things a ghost. All of us have always existed, and we will
always exist. What matters is when our photons or tacions, which tacions were
theoretical, when we slow down our speed up, so we all the religions,
all the religions are really true and correct in the fact that we can
have past lives future lives. But I go even farther than to say,
well, we can have a life to the left or to the right,
or up or down. It's not just a life that I've lived now.
Now I could also live a life in a completely different dimension or on a
completely different planet, in a completely different body. Energy cannot be created nor
destroyed. That's Einstein, that's thought, JW. That's Einstein. So everything
that's been created was created in that moment. Now matter changes. That's the
difference between spirit or energy or psyche or whatever and matter. Matter changes.
Energy can change but they are separate, but they can come together. In
other words, right now, i'm matter and I'm in, and I've come
together to be this handsome fellow you see in front of it. But once
you separate those two or give me another twenty years, and it won't be
exactly the same. But yet my energy will always be there. My energy
will go on from here because it's always existed. So I don't necessarily like
to use the word ghost I'm not a ghost hunter. I don't look for
them. I don't I don't investigate them. I research energy and how we
can transverse this. And I would't even say universe, because universe doesn't even
fully cover everything that's out there. When we leave here, we don't stay
in this universe, we go beyond it. That's right. We don't like
the term ghost hunter, And you don't mean any offense to anyone when we
say that. No, no, not. Everything's labeled in their human terms,
and I don't want anybody getting confused. So I'm not trying to upset
anybody. I'm simply saying that I don't want anybody to get confused about what
I'm doing. I'm not I'm not. That's just not what I do.
But there's nothing wrong with it. It's just not what I do. And
it's hard for people to wrap their heads around what I do. Usually when
I start talking, their eyes roll back in their head and they walk away
because it's just too much. Yeah, no, we'll take it. We'll
take it. So we'll break it down because you know, you guys have
a lot of stuff going on and there's a lot of aspects to it.
Scott, do you want to speak to your end of the project, in
the metaphysical side that you're bringing in. Well, like I said, um,
you know before we came on, when Jay and I first had met
ended our first film together, we knew it there was some thing we had
to work on together, and it's in terms of energy, um, the
knowledge and with the metaphysical part of it. We wanted to be able to
create the altered states of consciousness, but we want to we want to be
able to try to use human participants and get them ready. So my part
is to get them prepared and to read their energy, read the energy of
the building, the property. Anything that I get that that comes in with
my guides will tie in with whatever Jay needs and I work simultaneously with him
and the team to bring that together. I don't know, Jay, you
can probably speak better for it. You know, it's hard for me to
speak because mind's more of like a knowing mine is my my gifts. It's
hard for me to explain, um, how how it is that I'm working,
And Jay did a lot of stuff that I was behind the scenes because
my daughter had been diagnosed with cancer, you know, during our first experimental
process. So you can probably explain better for me. Virtue when you give
Saron and Jay explain how it fits in. You're are a psychic medium.
I know you give classes as well. I just wanted to go a little
bit there you are, Yeah, yeah, and I and I teach.
You know, I've written a book. It's seven time best selling author.
Um what I do in that it's an introductory book. I am still writing
more and we are writing another one day, and I are published in another
book as well. Um. It was a companion piece from the documentary that
we had done from the prior film still in post production. But as far
as my life experiences, I've got three decades of training with consciousness, the
subconscious level, the unconscious level. You know, we can go on and
on. But what I had to learn to do was learn my specific skill
set and where that came in. That came in with my part time or
full time jobs. Throughout my three four decades. I'm not going to say
how old I am, but I was always working and helping people. And
while I did that, I discovered what I was good at. Like with
the forensic mediumship, trans mediumship, physical mediumship, there's not just one way
or one thing that I can do. I can be comfortable enough to not
limit myself by fear stopping me with anything to do with researching and trying to
find that knowledge that we've all been trying to do for how many decades?
And it's not going anywhere. You're seeing the same ship, the same people,
doing the same things and the same experiments. And that's just not what
I wanted to do. Even with the mediumship. Yes I do mediumship readings.
Yes I do the psychic readings. Not every This is something people need
to know. Not every psychic is a medium, right they don't know that.
People don't know the difference between the psychic and a medium, right,
don't the medium I work with forensics, Jay and I both have background in
criminal law, criminal justice, and psychology, which on a whim was weird
that we discovered this after we've you know, learned who we were when we
got to know each other. But everything up until now that we've done in
our lives has played out to be what it is right now for the future
to come, and what we want to be able to do is everything I've
ever learned, everything I've ever experienced, that is my library. That is
how I have I've had a hard life, so I have a bigger range
of energy where I can expand it a little bit further and understand things a
little bit deeper. And I'm not afraid to see or find out what I
see or find out. So with the mediumship, there are different levels with
the psychic people of the past pleasant in the future. You know, they're
just that's your intuition, that's you get that from your claris. Mediums have
their claies. The difference absolutely, things like psychic abok you approved in laboratories
by people like jb Ryan. Yeah. Yeah, there are so many tests
that have been done in statistics, right, so they go and they look
and as well, you can predict this so many times in a row that
just seems beyond you know, the natural mathematical ability to do so. But
speaking using as clear as hearing the voices, being able to communicate with some
sort of consciousness that isn't there in the room. That's it's a trust.
It's a trust, and it takes a lot of years. It took me
three decades to build that trust um to then see the results and then trust
that and believe in myself. You have to believe in yourself number one.
Right, absolutely do need one person to believe in you other than yourself,
and that helps more than two can run more than right now, probably thirty
different experiments on a very large level, up to eighty acres right now,
a seventy thousand square foot building is nothing for me to come out and completely
wire this building back to my central computer and monitor everything that's going on in
that building both by audio and video. But about ten of those experiments involve
human participants. Those human participants is where Sky comes in and helping. Because
I don't I keep being told I have a sub kind of abilities. I
haven't been able to really hold those. I think my abilities more or less
are involved in being able to design and build the equipment and then run experiments
with it. But Sky can help me with the humans who are involved in
our experiments, what we call the participants. Now, I have discovered that
most participants will actually, as of right now, all participants that have been
involved in my experiments, even if they had no abilities at all, they
had experiences. Now, those experiences, some of them we could verify.
Some of those experiences we could not verify after the experiment, but they still
did affect the individual as well as the environment that we were conducting these experiments
in. So that's where Sky comes in. She helps me with the part
that I'm still a lot. Don't let me bullshit you. I'm still trying
to wrap my head around all of this. It's why we do what we
do. That I have an easier time wrapping my head around quantum physics than
I do wrapping my head exactly around what Sky's abilities are. So that's when
I set it down. I go, Okay, what are we doing here?
What you're doing? How do you think you're doing it? And then
I take that and put it into my research and into what I'm doing when
I'm working with participants. How did that kind of that JWL. Yes,
it's a lot of conversations. It's and I still just I have a hard
time because I have theories about everything. That's why I don't sleep. I
don't my brain never shuts down. I've got these theories I've got, I've
gotten notebooks upon notebooks. The equipment I've built is only a part of the
equipment I want to build. There's more equipment than I want to build that
I may never build. And when I say equipment, I show up in
a full trailer and I can wire a seventy thousand our foot building and about
a day and a half and run any experiment you could think of that's ever
been ran in a laboratory. I can run it on your building, run
extent mass. If you had an equipment list, maybe you can talk a
little bit about that, because I know in your Facebook post where you were
defining what the project does, there was a lot of things I wasn't familiar
with and some that we were familiar with. In there, we were familiar
with things like hemy sink, which I think is great that it's reaching a
you know, the quote unquote paranormal world, and we've done experiments ourselves with
that running multiple multiple channels us in heavy sink tones with like spirit box stuff.
You mentioned things like heavy water, and I'm not familiar with at all,
right, Like, how does that play? Heavy water? Heavy water
is really what they use to cool nuclear reactors. Heavy water takes a long
time to create and it's very expensive to create. But some scientists have discovered
is that when they run photons lasers through the heavy water, these photons were
traveling faster than the speed of light somehow or another by sending the lasers to
the heavy water. If they were basically recreating the Higgs boson in reverse in
the way that they were removing mass from the photons allowing them to travel faster
to the speed of light. Frous like, well, shit, I gotta
get me some of this heavy water, and I can only buy it a
few vials at a time. You got to be careful of that stuff you
start buying. Well, number one, you can't afford to buy gallons of
it and not do neat gallons of it because they start looking at you phony
because there's only i want to say, three places on the planet that they
create heavy one. So you start buying up a bunch of that somebody in
black SUVs is going to want to come ask you a few questions of what
the hell you're doing with it. So I've also tried to create my own
heavy water and experiment with it. But yes, it does seem to that
takes us back to mass and photons at traveling faster than the speed of light,
which is, let's say you want to use the word ghost, how
would a ghost go from one place to another, Well, they would have
to travels faster than the speed of light. It's just that simple. If
that they have masks, they're going to slow down, right, which where
I can end a medium. We raise our vibration to meet that higher frequency
and vibration, and then the agenda and I create all my own audio.
All of my experiments are created. We create the audio. The institute creates
our audio for these experiments, whether it's the Catalyst experiment where preparing the environment
the audio for that, or if it's the Peregrine experience where I'm sending audio
for himI sync for the participants, or if it's if we do a full
world gate, which we haven't really talked about. That's the Omnia experiment,
and that's where I just completely bombard the environment on a sleet loop of everything
we've just done in order to open a portal for a matter of four to
five minutes. Now, everybody freaks out when I say open a portal,
but sometimes it could just be as small as cracking a window. But what
we're trying to do is see where the participants went and see if they can
leave the door open behind them when they traveled so that we can visually see
it and catch it and have that data. And it has only happened once
and it was less than twenty minutes total, and that was actually at the
Conduring House. I was there for. Well, it's actually close to us.
That's like ten minutes on the endor. Well, Corey's a good buddy
of mine. Oh good, So we were able to get five days there.
We actually shot a documentary on that one. That documentary UM will be
out. I believe in October is when that documentary will come out. But
yes, um, our goal was to open a portal at the Conjuring House
and see what shook loose. And I'm going to tell you it shook loose.
On the second we only ran two of those experiments. He ran five
experiments at week total. Only two of those. Those take a lot of
mathematical equations to come to um, but it was very interesting on the second
one, for sure. What is the name of that documentary? Sorry,
christ that's okay, I don't I don't know exactly. Stacy Brown Junior is
the director producer on that one. We've kicked around several names. I don't
know what the final name's gonna be, but it looks like it could turn
out to be world Gate, but I'm not they make so I'll come up
with something a little more theatrical. I don't know. Okay, hopefully you
can hear it's okay. I know some one of our audience members commented that
the audio was a little messed up on my end, so that's why I
stopped for a second. Just let us know. We have had some trouble
with our board. It's been a little whack of doole lately. So I'll
make sure we sound good coming out there. You guys sound great. Yes,
And I stopped and listened to everything, so I think everything's sounded all
right. Now, Okay, you're good. No, um, if you
hear something in the stream that sounds weird and destroy it. We'll fix it.
Um My question was, and I'm sure a lot of people have.
Our audience are thinking the same thing. When you open this door or this
little window, how do you close it? Have you obviously figured it out?
So do you? What do you guess? I have these I have
frequencies for everything. I have frequencies for the participants to guide them through whatever
it is we're going to manifest from beginning to end, which means the going
out and the coming back. I have frequencies to separate frequencies that are used
to um as the Catalyst experiment, which exposed the environment, the house,
the building, wherever we're at, to these certain frequencies to help aid not
only the participants of what they're going to do, but help condition the environment
to be more receptive of what the humans are going to do. We're more
powerful than you think we are. And the intention the Omnia experience basically opens
and closes the portal. So I have frequencies for opening, frequencies for keeping
it open momentarily both through the catalysts and the participants, and then I have
frequencies for theoretically closing it. Now here's the thing. I'm not crazy enough
to think that I could keep this thing open forever and that I'm going to
just start track this shit. I'm not that is gonna get here now.
I wish I could, but I'm not ridiculous. I do have a little
bit of common sense. It tells me that even if I've wanted to keep
it open, that thing's gonna slam shut what it wants to anyway. But
with an abundance of caution, I try to do what my math tells me
I need to do to make sure that I leave a safe environment when I
leave. Yeah, that's the most important thing. You know. Our intentions
are very powerful. It starts from the thought and then it goes to the
heart space. And when you combine the thought to the heart space, that's
how you manifest. But that's where we need to go in and we need
to do the psychological and the mental checks. We need to do the property
check. We need to make sure we're not dealing with something we don't know.
That's where I'm coming in also, and I'm scanning everything. We Jay
and I run numbers. It talks approximately three months to put together one one
forty five minute test experiment. Could take us three months to put together.
Wow, that's impressive. Now, if you are like fix the frequency when
you say you close the portal, that do you an effect break the loot
in mutual right? Joey doesn't use these terms, but in my world,
if your your intentions are good and they're pure, and your human subjects are
good here, good here, and there's something that they want to experience,
can you imagine that initiation of opening and using knowing what you need to use,
by being on that property or that location, by gathering the energy from
reading it, knowing what's there. And when Jay's saying people freak out opening
and closing of portals, we do it every freaking day. Whether you know
it or not, we do it every day. It's either going to be
a good experience or a bad experience. And that's for us to make sure
we're okay, you know. And that's where we need to check in.
And that's what we do too. We need share, We check in with
everybody, and then Jay has a way for us to actually, you know,
there's a start, there's prep, there's start during right after, and
the wrap up, which would be what did everybody experience? And I do
want to say that, yeah, we will have exit interviews before any participant
moves to another area or talks to another participant. There's always exit interviews control
and immediately after the Peregrine experience in order for them for us to collect the
data. But I do want to say this, the mental health of our
participants is right up there. We do psyche vowels. We don't just let
anybody go willy kneelie into one of our experiments without, you know, some
at least vetting them to make sure, because first and foremost is do no
harm, you know, So you want to make sure that they're up for
this task and that they fully understand what they're doing. Because some participants have
had a great experience and then the next one seems to be not so great.
But after a month or two, follower follower, this is research.
They're like, well, I think I understand it more now. I was
upset that night, but I think I understand it more now what I was
experiencing. And so all of these things they are. This is why I
say it takes three months to put one together. This isn't just I don't
even know even all right. It's not a couple of phone calls, No
one sees this outside of a laboratory from the CIA or what the Germans did
or or whatever. So when I was up there, this is huge.
There's no way for me to fully let you wrap your head around it,
because it's taken me thirteen years to wrap my head around one I built.
So what we're doing is, you know, playing with these frequencies um to
get the vibration to where it needs to be with the different experiments which will
be here for years if we talk about each one and what each one is
individually, but as a breakdown with it, I think to help day,
what we're doing is we're helping them, you know, open up in different
levels of their consciousness that may be blocked right, Yes, whether you have
abilities or not or no, everybody, whether you realize you have abilities or
not, we can help you unlock those and hone those over tame right right,
And if you can, there are there are a lot of audio.
There's a lot of audio out there that can help people with him He's sake.
YouTube is full of it. It is, but it doesn't work for
everybody. Always doesn't work for everybody, and it's it's very generic. Yeah,
what I'm doing is it's a scalpel. I'm going in. We're going
in. We got five days to get this done. Everybody, over three
month period, we talk, we talk, we talk, we have meetings.
They know what's going on. They practice with the audio beforehand for a
couple of months, they sleep with it, they listen to it on the
way to work if they want to a little bit. I recommend that normally
you're relaxed and but there's no instructions in the audio. That's just audio to
help condition them to get them ready for hemisink. I need to get their
frequency as low as I possibly can, in tune with our surroundings, and
then synchronize the left side and the right side of the brain. Theta states,
Yeah, no, I will say this, I do. I will
say this. They are hooked up to egs and in my trailer or will
monitors for the egs for the participants, so their brain waves are not only
being monitored, they're being recorded. Yeah. Now, number one, that's
in turned safety, okay, But number two, what if two of your
participants have simultaneous brainwaves at a certain point in the experiment. Are you with
me? Yes, you recorded this, and then you go and you do
to your exit interviews, and they give two compelling experiences where they think that
they both experienced the same thing, but yet you and then you combine that
with the fact that you've seen these brain waves happen between only these two participants
out of six. Now you're adding credence to what they're saying that they experienced
this and then they had matching brainwaves. Yes, well normally our brain waves
don't match. You to hook up any six people now and let them experience
things, their brain waves are going to be all over the place. They're
not. Yeah, this is a far bigger indicator of information. Then say
that the K two meter going off right exactly? Yeah, well I'm using
egs. Yeah, you could have your K two, but I'm using an
EEG, so yeah, we're not the same. Yeah, I'm not saying
we don't use K twos. But yeah, that's that's wonderful. I do
designed I do design equipment like that for I DC devices, but minor mine
of course had my own names on them, but they're not necessarily the K
twos. I gotta remember, I'm a retired master electrician, so I have
worked all over the country in everything from huge hydro dams to hospitals, to
factories to skyscrapers. Skyscrapers, I know what energy is out there and what
kind of meters do what. So when I design my equipment, I'm not
looking for any of that. I design my equipment to find what is anything
that's not that? And unfortunately a lot of the equipment that's out there,
it just picks up all of that other stuff that's out there amongst us every
day, even while you're laying in bed, it's right there. So I
designed my equipment a little different because I'm looking for what's not commonly found in
our environment. Right, It's not as simple as EMF. I mean,
my microwave gives off anything everything. I'm pretty sure, right. Yeah,
you did have some questions in the audience, and I want to I don't
want to skip over them. Okay, pretty good. Um. Linda Jed
asked, please give a simple example of the portals that we open in daily
life, so that we may see how we are in those situations. You're
raising your vibration, if you're sitting and you're meditating, you're opening a port
a lot, you're connecting. We should open and we should close when we
need to. We should protect our energy. You're in contact with energy every
day, every second of the day, whether it be bad, negative,
good, whatever. That's where I say power of thought is very an intention
is very powerful because if you're going in and you're doing these things and you're
looking for a rise like some of these, you know people do you better
watch what you wish for because you just might get it. And then the
people that are scared of these portals, I work in one every day where
I sit. If I'm constantly working and sitting in the same space, I've
built an energy in that space, right, Okay, just like a residual
imprint of our energy is left everywhere we go. My smile walking down the
street. If somebody looks at me and they're having a bad day, you
know, that's an initiation of contact. That's still these are just human terms.
It's a portal. People are scared. People are feel fearful of the
unknown, the enigma. Yes, you know, you have to be able
to be brave enough and trust what you know, what you've learned, your
ultimate wisdom that is God born given to you. And everybody does have that
intuition. You're all born with it. It's just different levels. And where
that comes from is you know, growth and knowledge? Do you want to
grow it? Do you want to learn more? It's as simple as that.
It is so simple. People make it so complex that they can't they
can't comprehend. Let me have this, let me have this. To what
Sky just said, even though you don't realize you're doing, it's Sky's correct.
Everything she said is correct. When I do my experiments, I'm allowing
someone who doesn't realize that it's even possible to do it. I allow them
and help, but I don't allow them. I help give them guidance and
tools to where they can experience it um and know that they did it.
But yeah, it's facilitated training. So Prana, you want to learn how
to breathe, you want to learn how to sit? The heavy sink will
help. But with Jay's frequencies, and what we're trying to figure out is
what what which one works for what and how can we get there quicker?
And what what can we provoke as an experience for a good outcome? And
that's what the client to right, Yeah, that's the ultimate goal because what
we're searching is answers the property, the history, ourselves. Why are we
all doing it? Why are we your example, whenever we were doing and
I'm Michael stuff. I don't say too much about this documentary that's coming up,
and I don't want to give away any privacy of a certain individual that
was involved in it. But we came up for answers, with answers for
him within the first month of designing the experiment, before we actually got there.
We didn't even go to the conjuring house for a two months more.
But simple math math. Everything revolves around math. Everything in this universe revolves
around binary and photons, and everything carries information. Everything is numbers. He
actually had some answers Beef and I'm not a psychic, I'm not Sky.
This had Sky wasn't even working on this part of it. This was something
that I did without even knowing. I did it simply with the math of
figuring out the experiment and gave him answers about his father that because I also
used jematria. And I'm not sure if you know what jamatri is, but
we were dealing in jematria, neuroscience, quantum mechanics, quantum physics, metaphysical
I'm dealing in all of this putting it all together into together with supernatural mechanisms
to get answers. And he had an answer in the first month about something
that he never actually asked the question of. And I gave him this information
and he was visibly shaken, and I didn't understand what was going on.
So this happens with or without We're just taking it to a whole other level.
But what I'm saying is that these answers can be gotten if we really
want to search for them. Yeah, and I'm gonna saying we've got to
do it with or without k two meters or with or without a camera with
a night scope, but we can look for these answers. They are there.
So through the intense of creating the experiment, you're able to find out
the answers. Is that kind of what where in this case? I was
In this case, I found answers to something that he was two questions that
he had never actually asked me, and they were things I didn't understand,
and I was running them by him in a three way phone conversation and I'm
like, I don't understand this, this does not making sense. I'm trying
to make this all fit and I'm telling him this, and he become visibly
upset and it had to something that he had to do with his father.
So he had tuned into his frequency. If you will somehow or enough,
well the methods using me the method and this is what I'm saying. We
are all capable of this, we just don't know it. We agree with
you, We totally agree. A couple other questions, and these are both
related. Linda had asked, you vet your participants, and Amory Young asked,
where and how do you get people to do these experiments? Okay,
we do vet our participants. Now how we get the people to do the
experiment? Is that, Amory? Yes? Ye. First of all,
Amrie, we gotta find someplace that's got enough guts to let us come out
and do it. Now, once we find a place that's got enough guts
to let us in the front door, then whoever's involved, he goes through
my math and then that determines, believe it or not, who the participants,
the potential participants are going to be, and where it would be the
sound guy. We're going to do a documentary, and I'll run everybody's numbers
and I'll run through mathematical formulas and the sound guys like I don't want to
be involved. I'm like, well, math says differently. It says you
should be setting in seat five on the second floor at six forty five tonight.
Are you up for it or not? And he's like, well,
like, I guess so, And then he gets whatever experience he was supposed
to get, he gets it. The universe tells us, Yeah, I
can't stress this enough about the math. Math doesn't love it's hulogy. Yes,
So Jay works with the numbers with yeah, and like rology astrology,
astrology, thing goes by the siderel clock. I do not go by the
human clock'. I use jamatria. I use quantum mechanics, quantum physics.
We're not going to tell you, guys, there's secrets. I'm not going
to tell you how I do it. Yeah, we can't tell you.
You don't know when when you're going to use what park? But the universe
shows you m Yeah. But even if I told you those secrets, should
first have to build a system that only exists, and they can't be done
anyway. It can't be replicated. So that's where Jay's the genius in the
mixt of it and he gets mad book like Jimmy neutron, but I get
him of uma further on the first placement in the numbering and um, you
know, like what he was saying, where we end up the experiment could
change. It could change at any point if something seems off or we lose
somebody. But as far as her talking about how we got these participants,
most most of them are already where we are. They may not be on
you know, the same levels, but it doesn't matter because we can bring
everybody as a whole together. And that's another thing that I think that we're
going to end up probably trying to um, you know, locked down and
get the data and show the proof of it with the ex And I can
only do a few of these experiments a year because they do now we're if
we're talking about a world game the experiment, those could take months to put
together. But even some of my smaller experiments take time to put together than
I need time on site to Actually my equipment is getting quicker to set up.
But when you're talking about wiring, if I show up for let's say
a recent experiment, just give an example, seventy thousand square feet six thousand
feet of wire six computers, EEG monitors. Everything that's a good day,
day and a half just to get ready to do that experiment. And the
experiment may only last thirty to forty five minutes. Jay, do you want
to tell them? I don't think we did. Like he's involved in the
institute, and well, what's been dying? I mean as much as we
can say. Okay, Well it's me. I'm the founder of IDC Institute.
It's falls under IDC Group IDC Devices, which I originally started. Sky
is my medium, my guru. She helps me with all things metaphysical that
I don't quite wrap my little brain around. Then I have Justine Spurger.
He's the former tech manager for Ghost Adventures. He helps me with Oh man,
he helps me with so many different things. Um, so I've got.
And then his son, um, Austin Spurrier, marks with us too.
He's, uh we what you might call an intern. He's free labor
um, but he's learning and he's he's a good worker. Um. And
then my it guy UM that I go to for all things that I don't
understand is Jerry Pachico. He uh is the former I'm not sure what his
title was, but he ran the Lizzie Borden House before it's sold, Lizzie
Borden and Maplecroft Um. So Jerry is my IT guru, Jerry pachico Um.
And then my really good friend and partner and m guy I can't do
nothing without is Corey hinzen Um, former owner of the Coundring Houses. He
supports me, he believes in what I do. And we've worked. We've
known well, we were both marines. We've known each other for freaking ever,
me and him and me, him and Justice Spur year ago. We
go back more than ten years. Well, I mean we've just we've just
always been buddies. So that's basically the crew that I've got for getting these
experiments set up run. Now the participants the participants changed from time to time
depending on who's having us out and what the end goal is. Now,
not all the experiments are done with participants. I do want to add that
if you want to do you say you want to do a dB session,
and I'm like, okay, how big you're building? Seventy thousand square feet?
All right, so how about I come out and I make you a
seventy thousand square foot live EVP recorder. Now we set back. We wired
this seventy thousand square foot building. We do live EVPs over the entire property.
Live. They're being recorded, they're being monitored by monitored. We're actually
watching the frequencies of up to eighteen different satellites in that building. And if
one of those spikes, then you know you got something right there and you
hear it in real time. You recorded the audio, but you also have
a visual of either a disembodied voice or a direct applied voice. I call
them direct applied, so people say EVPs, but direct applied is a little
better in this situation. I have my own system for labeling these voices that
we get. Here's the thing though, with my system, I can tell
you it was an EVP or if it was a disembodied voice ambient voice.
But I can also tell you if anybody was in there, because I have
more than twenty four cameras monitoring everything inside and outside that building. And if
you want to run one overnight, we can run an experiment overnight while everybody
sleeps, and we will have eighteen locations of satellites, twenty four cameras,
and anything that comes through the computers recording it. And you can go right
to it and look at the frequencies, you can look at everything. That's
the system that I've built. It is called the IBC intercom system. That's
excellent. Let's talk a little bit about what you think an EVP actually is,
if you don't mind you used a couple of different terms for them and
break them up different ways. I've found, we've found and some of our
recordings that environments sometimes can contribute to the spiritual message. And it's not as
easy as okay, it's a whisper voice. But I think it's pretty interesting
that a lot of times it is a whisper voice, almost like they're using
your breath or things in the environment to create that audio that we're hearing through
maybe their intention. Well, EVP EVP is the unbroke, that's the talk.
Okay, everything falls underneath that. Everything is an EVP. If you
discovered it, you can't figure out exactly what caused it. It was an
EVP. A ghostbox voice that answered your question. Is technically EVP. EVP
is electronic voice phenomenon. So it's if it is a phenomenon and it was
electronic and it's a voice, it was an EVP. Now that's where we
start. Now start classifying what we're getting. If let me give an example
one of my direct links. I believe it was Billy on Ghost of Ventures.
He had it in a Tubercuos's hospital. There was two voices coming through.
Nobody really caught it, even the sound guys didn't at first catch it.
There was a woman's voice in a man's voice. The woman's voice had
an echo and a had echo in the voice, which my device did have
an echo reverb board. But the man's voice had no echo, so too.
In that situation, I would say both are electronic voice phenomenon. The
woman's voice, I would say, is audio sniffers. Maybe audio stiffers like
a residual reverb, like if everybody talks about audio snippets and ghost boxes.
That's usually how you can tell, Like with Jay saying, the clearer that
you're hearing it and the more energy that is being produced for whatever is manifesting
and that energy or that field that you're experiencing, you're gonna know the difference
if you can read and feel that. But he's got the data, yeah,
because what happening is if this particular instance, her voice was coming through
in bits of pieces, so they would say that that was audio sniffets.
Um. Now, most radios scan two hundred if you got one from Europe,
it might scan two hundred and forty. Mine my tuners are built by
me. They scan more than ten thousand frequencies, so it tells me the
frequencies. The odds of getting radio sniffets are pretty narrow. Yeah. But
here's the thing. The man's voice had no echo and reverb. So we
know her voice came because I designed it. I built the circuit. The
tuner is before the echo board and before the speaker. Her voice came out
with an echo. Simple math says, well, it went from the tuner
through the echo board, picked up echo, come out the speaker. His
voice had no echo, so it didn't come in the tuner, that didn't
come in the amplifier. It had to come on the backside of the echo
board or out of the speaker. To me, that's a DAV a direct
applied voice. Somebody somehow directly applied their voice to the speaker or the wires.
But just as an example, yeah, right right, So you're able
to distinguish between the two. Something that was residual and something that was active.
And that's a whole area that I don't think it's talked about a lot.
Well, no, because that's why I designed my equipment the way I
do, so that the the end user can actually determine that for themselves.
By the way I designed my equipment, you shouldn't have to guess if it
was a radio snippet or a DAV or whatever else. You should be able
to determine it by the equipment that I sold you. So I'm not just
building a piece of equipment so you could communicate. I'm building you a piece
of equipment so not only can you communicate, you could determine how you're communicating
and get a better idea so that in the future you can hone your skills
to match whatever you're communicating with and narrow that down. I love this measurement,
and this is the measurements of it and how you you do this.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Now you're good. Oh
my gosh, videos with me using the devices. Yes, I should have
sent the videos before the show, and I didn't even think about it.
You um, either one of you have UM somewhere like either on your pages
or wherever to see um interactions with with that, like the videos up there?
Yeah, Facebook is okay, videos okay, Yeah, my experiments are
out there. I have some more than two hour videos if you're if you
really want to watch, it's there. Yeah, they're there. Um,
I don't know if I can pull it up quick enough. I see Ken
Allen out there? What's up, buddy, Hey babies, hey baby hips
out there? Any of folks in the audience that are trying to hawk readings
in our chats? Yeah, you will get I'm sorry I've been doing.
I can't do that. Make your own show. Yeah, um yeah there.
What do you have? Jay? Your YouTube is if you want or
I can look for it IVC devices all you gotta do. Any words,
you see my stuff, you're gonna find a black cat logo. It's a
skull with a black cat. So anything that's officially me will be that right
there. Let me look whether it's my YouTube, whether it's my Facebook.
You're want to see that black hat logo and that's my official logo. Give
me one second. I'm gonna check. I'm sending to the videos that have
okay, evidence of his equipment that I've used okay, and I have a
lot of I have built hundreds. I don't know if the thousand, but
hundreds, possibly a thousand devices that have been used on TV shows. Just
about every major TV shows used my equipment, but also investigators from around the
world, New Zealand, Australia, um my. One of my direct links
was in Malaysia um and was speaking an ancient dialect um during an interview on
GMA TV, feeling my equipment choosed all over the world. Well, there's
videos everywhere of my equipment and it's got a great publicist. Let's put it
that way. People find me and that's just how it happens. I don't
go looking for them, they just find me. That's very cool. I
just shared out the link to your YouTube page so people can check that out.
And I've got some of that up on the screen. Just now appreciate
the view. But yeah, please like and subscribe shootooth dot com, um
at JW trail and yeah, you do have some some great stuff. It's
like up there. So I don't know if the audio will come through,
but I'll do my best. Chris, I'm sharing, um I guess to
your messenger, Okay, Okay, thank you. This is just one little
nip it. This video an anniversary that I missed. Well, that's video
to building IDC devices. I did a video called IDC devices. It was
basically video that. Yeah, I don't think I'll get an audience to that,
so I'll try to get the mess. He is one of my old
waters. Yeah, and just update everyone on you can hear it what the
current mission was that I felt IDC devices should be. I don't think I
got that yet. Sky. I'm trying to get it to send it,
won't you? Oh okay, I'm no worries that video. Worried before.
We'll tease people and have them go and look on their own. Yeah they
can. They can find it on my platforms, but not now. You
gotta wait till after the show. After the show, perfectly fine, no
problem, no problem at all. I love this. So you really are
marrying the technical with the metaphysical. Yes, and lots of ways. What
are some of the other things that you that you measure four without giving away
all giving away the ghost? So? Well, I do I have sound
meters. Not only are my computers monitoring and recording all the frequencies that come
back, say in different experiments for that data. There's also um like like
let's say that we did an overnight EVP. Right below the satellite would be
a sound meter, and then there's a camera recording all of that. That
sound meter is gonna tell us really quickly if that was an ambient voice or
if it was a electronic voice. All right, and then we go to
our cameras and really quickly we can see that there was nobody on the floor
below or below, or above, or left or right. So if it
wasn't ambient voice, we can now say, okay, well that must have
been a disembodied voice. There was nobody within seventy feet of that room,
but yet we recorded a voice. The sound meter went off, the cameras
are showing nobody was there. We've now determined that that was an ambient voice
for sure. So I'm also monitoring temperatures, humidity, barometric pressure my EEDS
system, which is not quite completed now. My EEDS system will be tied
in with the satellites to where all of that will be sent back to a
central computer. So at any given point, if we had a phenomenon happened
immediately, it's going to record what the temperature was before, during, and
after, what the humidity was before, during or after? Um, you
know everything, everything's going to be monitored. But that system, I'm still
in the process of trying to finish that system. I have a smaller system,
but I can't quite do eighty acres with that one yet. I think
you also do measurements of things Beyonce the human audio spectrum, yes, and
things like I know people have experimented with this with like that recorders, like
you know, they're near use of echolocation, going into different frequencies that we
normally can't hear and then transpose them down into our hearing range. Yeah,
I'm and I'm working on My system is still I gotta I need to live
another sixty years to finish my systems. And I'm not shiitting you. We
need somebody to take My books are so full, I don't know if I'll
ever complete it in my lifetime. Somebody's going to get a hell of a
workload when I'm gone in order to try to finish all this shit. And
I'm hoping they're up to the task, because I don't know it can be
done. That's the thing, guys. We can get. We can't get
all the answers. I don't think we're supposed to. I don't think we're
supposed to get every one of them, but we can correlate. At one
time, we didn't know the Higgs boson was real. We know what caused
photons to slow down and speed up. At one time, antime matter was
theoretical. Now you know that ninety percent of the universe is anti matter.
All of these things at one time were unknown. Right, I'm trying to
make the next known. I'm just not necessarily looking for Star Trek. I'm
doing it for the paranormal, which is where my my passions lie. But
I'm doing it in a scientific well, I guess I'm not going I don't
want to piss off any scientists pseudo scientific manner, because it's hard to try
to judge the paranormal with strictly non science. You're gonna have to look at
the Mesopotamians, the Babylonians, You're gonna have to look at the Egyptians,
the Aztecs, and I hate to say, you're gonna have to look at
what the Germans were doing. You're gonna have to look at these civilizations that
came before us and what they were talking about. What they were talking about.
You don't make sense in the hieroglyphics, but you can make sense of
it now, yeah, right, right, right, We agree with you.
I think we think human consciousness like our nosis. Our knowledge base grows
so slowly, we slowly adapted any kind of change. If we talk about
something like, um, I don't know the idea that a molecule perceived right
with a human eye may act differently than if you if not, I think
a lot of people have a hard time just wrapping the head around that.
Yet we can give it. Everybody has a problem with Schroeder's cat. Yeah,
yeah, everybody has a problem with that. And I gotta tell you
I got a problem with it too, because I have noticed with my experiments
that if I add a seventh observer, thanks seem to go shit that crazy
really quick. And I don't know why, because we just said the experiment
twice and everything was fine. I added an observer and things start changing.
Because my intercom system sends audio out to the entire environment, and it also
sends it, brings it, dicks it up, and brings it back to
my computer. Right, so I have a countdown. When this countdown starts.
It's it's it's not my voice, it's a digital voice that tells you
you got ten minutes, get your shit together, get out. You got
nine minutes, get your shit together and get out. And now I'm just
being facetious, but this countdown starts. At the end of that countdown,
If you're not part of the experiment, you're out of the building. And
what I've discovered is if I happen to leave even one person in that building,
the experiment changes because that one person who was part of the experiment becomes
an observer, and things go a little bit awry, even though they're not
doing anything other than observing. They're in that environment, but they're not actually
part of the experiment. Things get a little squirling. I wonder if that's
related to intention, you know, just the visible observation of something you're intends.
That's the double slit experiment. It's like the double slit experience. When
you're looking at it, it's one thing, and when you're not looking at
the photons travel. The photons of light travel differently. We're just shooting lasers
through there. It's the same thing with my experiments. Now I can't fully
explain it. But Einstein. Einstein had talked about He said, there's a
man on a train and the train's traveling X doesn't matter, it's traveling.
He drops the stone out the window to the man on the train. He
sees the stone go drop down. But let's say there's a man standing on
the platform watching the train go by, and he sees that man drop the
stone. Well, when that man drops the stone, guess what the guy
on the platform sees. He sees a parabolic arch. That stone goes down
and out right. So but both of them are correct. Both observers are
right. But once sees a parabolic arch and the other one sees the stone
goes straight down. They're both correct. Right. That's the theory of relativity.
Everything is relative to whatever your ass is experiencing right this moment. I
love. It is that simple. And I just kicked up the night clip
I sent the other one. Um, I think I just posted on my
Facebook page. But it's all Jay's equipment, and it's knowing how different it
works, and it works really good with me. Thank you, yes for
everybody, and h I will download it and put it on the screen.
I'm gonna send it to your we got this. We got turned stop spamming
our comments. No spammers, gelling us because you know, we really love
this. I know it's a lot of comments out there and I'm not getting
to and yeah, thinking about people out tonight. We want to get to
the meat of all this because it's super inc Let's make it the good.
Yeah, we put up a wall here, yes, block them with our
our light energy. One question we kind of related to something somebody else they
commented on before, and they mentioned low energy, and this is something that
gets talked about a lot of times on low frequency vibrations versus high frequency vibrations.
Are you finding with the vibrations that are actually tuning into a higher than
a person's average running frequency depending on what the well harves is different than much
depending on what's going to happen or what's going on and what experiments down.
I mean when people will often generalize, Okay, this lower level frequency vibration,
vibration is from this you know, I'm going to use the word that,
the word demon thing, and you know this higher one is angelic and
this and that, and I feel like those terms are so generalized, like
what are you seeing that kind of data in your in your experiments. Well,
if my experiments for most of what experiments I'm running at the moment,
And gotta remember I can only run so many of those, I can only
design so many at the time. I can also only get so many people
that are brave enough to let me come do it in their buildings. Most
of what I'm doing right now is dealt on a lower frequency because that's what's
needed for the experiments that we're running. Okay, yes, a frequency.
Definitely a higher frequency would be used for different other experiments. Okay, Scott,
you can go ahead and weigh in on those we're pulling up them.
Actually, there's no attachment that you did not go I did get your email,
but I didn't get the attachment. No one. If you can get
to it otherwise, don't worry. We can keep talking. I love.
It's hard to do all of this in an hour, it really is.
I didn't. I don't expect everybody to agree with me or even fully clasped
what I'm talking about, because I'm still wrapping my head around all the day
trying not to talk above anybody. You're not You're doing good, you're fine,
and we are on your time. When when you guys good you tell
us, just trying to explain it so you can't understand it and leading us
because sometimes the days I say or makes people's eyes roll back in the I'm
just a blast at parties, crust you and me both, brother, don't
get me talking down at the bar. It just it just it's gonna go
off, It's gonna go off the handle. Then yeah, you should go
off the rails. Soon as I say photons, that's usually when I lose
most people right there. Yeah, you know people can't have at all.
You know, it's not as simple as hey, it's just coming through my
radio, It's not. There's other stuff and the brain wants to know why
this happens and how is this communication actually happening? Right? Let me know
it came through Chris right. There's others that do as well. Yes,
most definitely. So when you're when you're um, when you're in your meditative
states, your different levels of consciousness, those vibrations of lower are necessary for
I feel like more preparing. And then if need be, we need to
find a basic range um. Again depends ending on what we're doing and why
we're doing it. But if we need to go higher. That's where they're
transcending right into a higher level of consciousness, which everybody does. We all
do it. We all get downloaded before we wake up, before we go
to bed, you know, we get in these these uh uh states of
consciousness. But I think with what we're trying to accomplish with the data,
the frequencies, the data of the data of the gamut, like all of
this is where we need to tie these things together to where we can say
this is why we're seeing this. And you know, I don't want to
give away too many of the secrets yet. Yeah, there's there's somebody's gonna
have to wait till I'm dead to get the secrets. But she's when I
do. When I when leading up to say, the World game, and
we're leading up to we have the Peregrine experience, which is the participants.
We have the Canist experiment, which is conditioning the environment. When we hit
them, those frequencies, they raise, they raise high, and not only
that, but the dB level raises very high. And then it's basically,
okay, let me use a layman's term, I'm trying to kick that door
open with high frequencies, high dbs and then that door opens. It's open
for four to six minutes, and then it closes, and then I start
lowering those frequencies back down again, and I bring it back down to more
levels and over probably the next nine to eleven minutes, as the participants are
coming out of their experience, also lowering the environment itself to close that gate.
While I'm using the participants, they're still under audio, they're still in
their experience, and they're manifesting the closing of that gate while I'm backing those
frequencies back down. But yeah, whenever I go to kick open that gate,
it's loud as hell in that building, and there's some frequencies you've probably
never heard with your ears before as I kick open that door. So yes,
those frequencies, they do, they do change over the course of stay
a World Gate experiment. Okay, okay, and I just requested access.
Say, okay, one second, I've got I'm just scattered because we're on
here, that's all I'm trying to listen and fine time we are laid back.
Yeah, they've got this break in his love and that comes from our
Francisco show. Yeah, that was funny. I'm hungry. I want some
bacon. All right, it does sound good, right now, okay,
there's two. You got those now, I got them, and you're requested,
so send you should be it's sending, so you should have have it.
They're just short clips. Nothing was really edited. It was just um,
you know, saying on the screen exactly what you hear. You can
hear it, all right, Yeah, I do have them now, so
let me download those, I know, pop them up. Great empty four
and Jay Jay's Equipment's what caught me. This was at Randolph County Asylum when
I was the only one and how big was the building? That one was
fifty six thousand square feet. I'm the only one in the baseman the meat
room, and I got a ghost talk. We're not gonna say a ghost
because Jay hats that a spirit speaking with me audibly. I'm like, what
the fuck? And I'm cussing because everything breaks down behind me with his intercom
system that we're dialed in getting ready to an experiment. And if you listen,
you hear somebody reply to me what And that's that's not no EVP.
That was that was right there real time. They're coming down now, So
just one moment, but I think justin sent me that Jay Sorrier. Yeah,
yeah, he sent me in because then I had to send it to
you because you didn't know about it. No, I wants it down there
at that time. I spend most of our time in my command center monitoring
the experiment from from that central point. From there, I can monitor fifty
six thousands for a feet. But it doesn't mean I catch it all.
But my computers are catching it. I just might not catch at all.
Yeah, you may have to replay it because you'll listen and I'll say what
I say. Cuss, that's okay, And there's no there's no um communication
going on between anybody. There's nothing going on. It's just me literally just
sitting still in front of the camera and it breaks me out because it was
loud and I didn't expect it, and I'm like reaching for like a camera
or something or my phone for the light because I'm like, shit, I'm
gonna break Jay's equipment. He's gonna mess me up if I screw the stuff
up. But it happened at Bobby Mackie's too. I have that that is
on my well, the DRV the DRV word, and that was an accident.
You could tell about that in a minute, because nobody was supposed to
have the DRV that wasn't supposed to leave my workshop. Not even sure how
it got in my case, because that's an experimental device I had and ended
up with it. Well, I got thrown, he got thrown out of
my hand, and there was a lot of cursing on it. Oh my,
that sounds very interesting, Yeah, but there's not supposed to be anything
coming out of it. DRV is actually a DRV uh it's it scans no
FM frequencies, AM frequencies at all there And I had had it. I
built it um In three months of me running it, I don't know how
many batteries I'd ran down in this thing. It had never said a word.
And I'm like, well, my DRV is doing what I said it
would do. It's it doesn't pick up any frequencies or any audio from the
radio band human radio band, but it's not saying anything. They somehow accidentally
got ahold of it. I came back, I went to Florida for her.
They went to Bobby Mathews and they called me up and they said,
hey, this thing's talking. I'm like bull that they don't talk I built
it for me. It don't talk, and they sent me videos of like,
holy craft, that thing hasn't said them a word in three months.
It's really good. But it was working at Bobby Mackews. They have the
full recorded um it was filmed, and then I have the actual live video
of everything that happened at Bobby Mackie's and it was awesome. And he's like,
okay, gravity goes down, not this way, and behind you it
went. It got ripped out of my hand and drawn behind me. Geez
wow, I'd love to see that sky ray page. And you see Bobby
Mackie's and you see live video, you'll want to watch that because it shows
it. And then the damn thing's cussing at Matthew. What is this video
of the with the green light? Don't you sent me that one? Is
in the meat locker in the basement of Randolph County Asylum in Indiana. Winchester,
Indiana. Yeah, that was here's documentary we did. Okay, I'm
gonna play that now, anything about it, Okay, don't oh shit,
this fucking thing just like fell apart behind me, do it? Okay.
I'm just talking like I normally talked. To humans, they're people. Let
me bring that up one more time so we can see what's going on.
What do we look for in that? You're gonna hear what after I say
what the fuck? And they're like what? And I'm like and then I
keep talking and you're alone and I'm alone. There's nobody in that building,
nobody. All right, let me play that again so we know what to
listen for. Oh shit, this fucking thing just like fell apart behind me.
Oh shit, this fucking thing just like fell apart behind me. That
is wild. It's awesome. You can see what's going on behind you.
You got so much good stuff. And what let's just say what cre crime.
The guys that filmed us with the um cinematography in the in the audio,
we're from crew trying or crew. I can't mercury retrograde, I can't
talk help me true crime, true crime. And they were scared shitless when
I went through my walkthrough and they weren't paranormal, said, they weren't really
filming and paranormal. Yeah, but a lot of our film crews don't.
A lot of our film crews, like when we went to the conjuring house,
they our cameraman there. He was crapping his breeches because he normally don't
film paranormal. And when we opened that portal, he was the only one
that still had any equipment going as far as handheld equipment because and he was
he was literally white as a ghost that he didn't know whether the ship had
gone blood. I thought he was going to run right out of there.
And I can't wait to see the hid footage because that was though. That
twenty minutes was was amazing. I mean, and he I gotta say he
held his ground. He kept filming, he kept filming, but he looked
like he was gonna run at any second. This is what this is what
we're saying, like this stuff that we do is beyond comfortable. I was
where what I was in that meat locker for an hour? Was I not
JWA by myself in that belf ifs that I do? And you've seen the
satellite system behind her, Yes, that wide heart is part of the satellite
system. So she's being monitored by both audio and video while she's in this
isolation session, which you could say Ste's method whatever. If you wanted to
do an Ste's method, you could do it with my system with I don't
know, eighteen people in eighteen different locations over eighty acres. You want to
do an Ste's method that people together, I'll do it all right, But
that's a lot to monitor. But that's basically one of the examples of what
my sister will do. That's really cool and we love that. We do
a show. We're in a rotation with Great Cass We mentioned before the show.
He has a one called Metaphysical Crossings where we do a blind sts methods
and let me throw some experiments of our own somebody, yeah, which you
know, yeah, each week, but this is this is I, like
I said earlier, next level and before we're going to want to talk to
you guys after the show. Um, this next video I have is says
a sky and Matt IDC device. Do you want to set that up?
It's a nice thing. Yeah. That would have been the id that was
at the Nickerson sneed in West Virginia. Was that when we combine the car
during house with the Knickerson State that night or was at a different time that
was the same weekend, same weekend, Yeah, wend I was there investigating.
We used my intercom system to connect the Nickerson Speed House to the Conjuring
House. Okay this was years ago, Yeah, this was well. I
was actually with Nick Gross that weekend um doing um a seance revisited and I
decided to run one of my own extremis when we did weren't doing something else,
and Nick he really didn't care what, you know, as long as
I didn't interfere with this stuff. He's like, do what you want to
do, yea. So we did this experiment where we connected the two houses
and see what we got using the system to do it. And um,
who's got the video there? I guess? Yeah, so all right here
it comes to bring this videos, you'll lose Norma. I can't. There's
something's walking the way that somewhere, but I can't tell where it's coming.
M yeah, that's here the high field, like people think. I just
think that the Douglas are you here walking the booth? The while I walking
out there, I find who watch with that letting me? I think that's
where I heard was letting me. So I followed some bathroom. Yeah,
we've had something walking in the hole with I can't because I heard myself in
the herror. I literally walked in seeing my reflection and I'm just seeing my
pants. I forgot the whole mirror. Was there? Who was that that
just said? Let me? He's here? Yeah, he's right with me.
He's been following me. He's outside with me, Chid, Chip Chip,
Cheetah. What's your name? Who would you hear that? Laughing?
Yeah? Who are you? Aney? That's my dad? That's my dad.
What are you doing? He says? All are you Sky's dad?
Are you Amy's dad? Can you make it sure she's okay? Number eight?
H? I don't? I would you say anything? Can here?
Write me? All right? Yeah? When Al comes back? Toll be
eight? Are you saying there's eight people in here? Here? Back?
Yep? Asking what my middle name is? Can you tell me what Amy's
middle name is? M? I try again? Here? My dad is
my god? Anthony, m h Anthony? Are you here with Sky?
With Amy? Pleased to calling you Sky my dad? Okay? I love
you? Do you have any messages for how cool? Cold? What that's
a lie? Yeah? Hey, management, it's talking about my dad.
Really? Yeah, we were talking to here, remember again said his name
and everything here? Kevin? Kevin? Wow, Kevin. We always get
Kevin. They always shar does somebody try to communicate with Kevin because I have
a message for Kevin. Not much happening this, Okay, I want to
weigh in on this. I want to weigh in on this right here.
Um, when I listen to my devices, I always close my eyes and
I just I focus. You gotta remember this device that they're using. This
is the IDC direct Link. A lot of people have seen it on different
shows, but they never really truly explained it on the shows. This device
is scanning about ten thousand frequencies, whereas a normal ghostbox scans around two hundreds.
So just think about the odds of getting a verse through ten thousand frequencies
versus two hundred frequencies. And the normal radio is trying to actual focus on
film radio stations, whereas Vine is intentionally missing them. The way I designed
my tuners, I designed them to try to miss the FM stations. So
when these voices are coming through, we're talking about ten thousand frequencies versus only
two hundred. We're talking about intelligent answers. But did you see him laying
his finger on the back The way I build the direct link. When I
originally create the direct link, I called it the direct link, and you
got to lay your finger on the back and energy will flow through our head
on our chest are full of saltwater. They're very good receptors because there's a
lot of saltwater in this area. Saltwater is a very good conductor. So
I meant the direct link to be that. I've now determined that that is
a misnomer. That device is not the direct link. The human being that's
using it is the direct link. Whoever's holding it in their hand the direct
link. Not that piece of plastic that's just a piece of plastic that some
guy in a cowboy had made. The direct link is that human being that's
holding it. So I was on track, but I wasn't quite on track.
And I built this in twenty fourteen. My first prototype was the end
of twenty thirteen. UM, and I've been building them ever since. UM.
I absolutely loved the device. It's not for everyone. UM. I
do know of a father and son team. UM, both of them have
abilities. Um. The father the son Devin can use it all day all
night, no matter what. The father, Stephen, he can't even get
his hand near it, even if someone else is holding it without it going
that shit crazy and make it all kinds of noise, gets weird noises,
loud. People cannot use this if certain abilities. I've only had one customer
send it back. She said it burner and most people with the abilities,
they can use this, but I designed it for people without abilities. But
certain people with the good of these they can't even hold it without making so
there's such an energy transfer that happened that they it's almost like they're gonna blowout.
And look, I was there, though I was present. I said,
did you hear me say? I forgot I went downstairs to the bathroom,
the public bathroom downstairs. I freaked out because there was a full mirror
and I'm like, oh shit, and it was me and I was laughing
because it was starting there. Yeah, we just did a seance and I
there a lot of crazy shit happened. And then you go in that room
where they were doing just just um you know, divination stuff, Victorian style
stuff. I don't get into all that. I never used tools, um,
but as soon as I walked in, I felt that energy walked back
from from the baby. Because I was creeped out, I had the skidies.
I knew something was in the bathroom with me walked up and then we
got all that weird stuff. I'm not holding the device, so that's also
with just me being in the room. It amps up the energy anyway.
And I've noticed that because what was the other UM? I can't ever remember
the other one. That doesn't it shouldn't talk that I used that Bobby,
that one, that one worked well with me. And that's like a direct
voice. Is that one. It isn't sweeping or it's just like on one
miss anything. My dr video is sweeping UM ten thousand frequencies, Steve.
But the way that I've designed the I don't want to go into a bunch
of coding. But basically I buy a tuner that has free set from the
factory, but the tuner itself, the chips are empty, Okay. I
design it to to to the parameters that I want. So I'm scanning from
around fifty mega hurts to one hundred forty nine mega hurts just below the air
audical band. Actually I've gone a little higher, and I'm three miles from
an airport and I was hearing pilots, so I backed it back down a
little bit. But that's me push those shits about to break and then back
up a little bit. That's what I did. But the way I designed
this one was I took the pllal completely out of it, And by PLL
I mean that's in the coding. I made it to where it would not
lock any FM frequency whatsoever, if you will not lock at all. Now,
most of my direct links are meant to minimize film interference. This one
is meant to get completely rid of it. The kind of DRV is a
direct radio voice. Right, you're just basically scanning ten thousand frequencies of white
noise right to talk. Bobby Mackie's in between the actual spirit communications. In
that video, you notice how quiet it is between. You're hearing static,
but you're not hearing any pieces of commercials, you know, hearing any pieces
of FM banter. No, if you want to hear the guy that's going
to sell you Ford pickups on Sunday or whatever, get a radio and you
don't want to speak to whatever's out there, get it directly. Yeah.
I don't like commercials. I don't like commercials. Want to watch the TV.
I don't like commercials When I'm in the truck and a damn shore,
I don't like commercials on my damn ghostbox. Oh yeah right, yeah,
same Semans. I know you're trying to pick it apart, like what was
you know, yeah, what was an ad? And I'm joking, but
you know, no, it's it makes great sense. I love it,
and I love the way that sounded. The speed. It wasn't like super
fast either. It was just kind of going at a nice clip. Now,
and it's variable speed, and I could make it as fast as you
want. Yeah, I mean most of mine are between bad Miller seconds up
to around one hundred and twenty mediseconds um. But at that's if you turn
that thing all the way up. You have to record it and play it
back because you can't hear it unless got it. Okay. I guess Kevin
Hard in the audience, because every time I get on here and I go
to tell this story, Kevin Martin shows up. Yeah right, okay,
see Kevin celebrity n not that Kevin Hard. That's what he says. That's
what he says on his thing. He's funny. Yeah, he wanted two
devices, he said, j w I know it'll still five thousand frequencies.
He goes, can I have one that'll do the first five one that'll do
the second five. And I'm like, well, yeah, that's what you
want. I said, I'll even put a buffer in the middle. In
other words, one goes up and stops, and then the other one starts
a little higher and goes all the way up. He will set those two
direct links side by side, okay, scanning five thousand frequencies each five thousand
different frequencies. A conversation will start in one direct link and end in the
other. Now, you explain to me how you're getting the same voice out
of two devices that aren't even scanning the same frequencies. Little jaw, he
didn't mean justin did that? And the women in the men's part at this
aylum, remember when we connected, Yeah, it happened. So these are
things I can't those. That's why I labeled those davs direct applied voices.
They're not. They're they're using the frequencies to ride, but they're not using
audio snippits. They're directly applied their voice to that device. And then we're
intelligent. They're intelligent. Yes, I love this. It's great. Now,
I just need you to record those clear audience experiences that don't seem to
get recorded by anything else, because we've had that happened too, ye where
you like, how does that work? You know, it's almost like it
just vibrate your age and nothing else but awesome, awesome stuff, awesome tech
tech going on. Your guys are great. I know more than a few
people asked in the audience where your next project is and what you're working on.
I have several projects in the works. I think I will have a
live feed by the end of the year. Hopefully I will be back with
dark Zone again where I've been with dark Zone at places like Lizzie Borden.
Dark Zone's done the Queen Mary Conjuring House, so I think we're gonna have
that project coming up the end of the year with dark Zone. Hopefully it's
a three to five day live of them. Anybody wants to to get in
on that, that's gonna be amazing. We have a couple of documentaries that
are going to be coming out before the end of this year that have been
that are in various stages of completion. And I'm also working with right now
two different TV shows. Of course you can't say the names of them,
but you see the ones where my equipments being used, my direct links and
stuff like that. But I do have some experiments coming up with a couple
of shows that I hope will air probably next year. So yeah, we
got quite a few projects that are going on right now. Sounds amazing.
Yeah, sounds amazing. And where are the best places for people to find
you? I know we have a couple of links. Should they find you
on Facebook? You mentioned it the best way to keep up with me?
Um, you shared my YouTube. Yes, I would definitely appreciate the views
on there. But everybody my YouTube seems to get mintlator most people. I
don't know how, but it does because I ramble like I do on here.
But um but Facebook, and then I have my Patreon, which if
you go to my Facebook you'll see my patreon. Please get devices from me.
I'm not necessarily building to the public because I can't build to the devand
I can't build that many. I'm not bragging. I'm just saying every time
it shows up on another show or another rerun, my email just blows up.
And I can't I build these by hand. I can't. I can't
build to that kind of demand. I don't have a factory. Yeah,
right, it's just you know you and yeah, it's just me and these
are built by me with my theories. Um right, so yeah, I
just can't mass produce this. Right, Well, we understand. That's that's
a lot. That's a that's excellent. I just put out your Facebook uh
out in our all our chats. Yes, thank you you guys. Yeah,
anybody can find me on my website, but mostly um would be my
business page at medium, sky ray on Facebook. I have TikTok, I
have Instagram. Um what else is there? Guys? I have you,
I do have YouTube. I haven't, but be careful because it's called I
can't uncensored for Yeah, we're not. We're we use that for our fun
things and like yeah, our rants and our creative things. So there's a
lot of pental mine, okayed cool filter. Yeah, we're we're pretty personable
and real. We don't we don't try to hide anything. We're pretty cool.
But we saw our friend Brandon Cooper out there and Sea and Sundays and
he gave you a shout out. Hey, Hi, So I guess I
think you guys know him. He mentioned yeah, like Jay was saying earlier,
you know, like we've never sought people out. People have always sought
us out. And I think that's the crazy thing because before the whole conjuring
thing happened and the Institute with us, you know, trying to get all
that together. Um is Stacy Brown from Outcast Paranormal contacts me out of the
blue off Instagram and he didn't even know that I worked with Justin or Jay
Pryor and he's like, UM, I need I need your help. Um,
can you know? And I'm like, do you know that I work
with these guys, that I'm very close with them and we've already done projects
together. He's like, no, because we don't advertise. We don't.
We don't, we don't need I don't go around telling everybody that I hang
out with Justice Farrior and Sky and and Corey and I just do my thing.
We just live a lie, just do our thing, and whatever happens,
it happens. But the whole thing happened to me. I'm gonna do
this whether anybody ever sees it or not. I'm just it's war on mission.
We want to you want to yell this for for the next generations when
we're going, Um, you know, it's important, it's it's I've lived
this my whole life. This is what I've meant to do. I've turned
down many shows, believe you me. I've had people playing me. I've
written behind the scenes. There's things that I've done that people don't even know.
Oh, I know. There's projects that I've been involved with that nobody
knows I was involved with. I don't say much now. And I have
turned down some shows. I won't say which ones. They just didn't fit.
Yeah, I can to the shows now. I built for all of
them. I mean I built for Kesha um that that experiment that she ran
at UM the Opera House. The Opera House. Yeah, I built that.
Actually, it's setting back out in my garage because I didn't give it
to him by ask for it back. But I built them an experiment for
Kesha for the opera House. Wow. Wow. I mean this is what
I do. I will built for TV shows from small to large. Oh,
you guys so interesting because the medium. Since you want to brag Jay,
I'm just gonna brag him in it. You don't, I don't want
to hear it now. I got in contact with UM ghost Hunters from A
and E. Darryl Morston I worked in an event with him. Um I
did I think three separate events and a couple of different states. Um.
I did read for him. He you know, gave me a good recommendation
with my mediumship skills. I also got to read for Carney Wilson a few
times. Um. Everybody knows the Long Island medium her mentor Pat long ago.
I've actually got to sit in with her one class she had and ended
up helping teach her class because she pulled me to the side and I did
a reading for her while she did a healing on me. And then I
helped her teach her twenty students. And that's Long Island mediums. Yeah,
and that's Russo's colleague. So I mean that's where I'm I'm a little bit
different because I don't limit myself and not everything's you know, rainbows and skittles
and shit blown out your ass like fairy dust. It just isn't like that.
There's negative and there is light, and so you embraced or went through
darkness. You don't know a damn thing, and I don't care who you
are. It's not all love and light, that's right, and now it's
not. It just isn't. It's how you perceive things. But once you
go through something, you can't go back. You have to move forward and
you have to apply that knowledge and then share that wisdom and teach others.
And that's what's important. And that's why I think our mission is important,
because we're trying to have these breakthroughs of evidence showing the data that hasn't been
done scientifically, because it is important, and yet people have done it,
people our brains, but there's been done the way we do it scientifically.
Right, they either do it in the lab or other people do stuff.
They do run experiments. Yeah, I'm combining the two, and but take
out of the laboratory and out to where it actually is happening, and it
makes a big difference. It really does. It's consolutely um, what's the
word we want to call it. It's breaking the paradigm. It's it's breaking
the paradigm, groundbreaking, it's it's a it's just next level. Yeah,
it is. It's amazing. And I get that, and I'm hard to
understand and I get that. So No, I think you're in a great
place for what you're you're talking about because we do understand you and now we
love that, and I think we've been solely conditioning our audience to kind of
pick up on right. Right, there's a bigger world out here than you
know what's maybe being sold to you on various websites. Right, Who doesn't
want to live a better life. I mean, that's what we're doing.
That's what we're doing here really while we're going into the paranormal world too and
trying to discover those unknown things. So I know we've been going for two
hours, and I don't know what your time limit it is, but I
did have two markets. You want to go Conduring House. You mentioned a
conjuring house, and I can't say too much about a documentary that's not out
yet, but your impression of the place, we've been there ourselves. Do
you think it is something to do with something that happened there or maybe the
property itself or some combination thereof that's a big question. All the above,
All the above. Yeah, in the last twenty years, I get at
the Condran House, me and Corey, we both talk about this at great
links. I absolutely loved that house and I have since the first night I've
slept there. And I'm outside of maybe Corey and and John and Bill and
some of these other guys. I've probably slept there more nights than most humans
on Earth, and I absolutely love the place. There's an energy there.
I do not feel that there's anything evil there, but it's definitely it's Area
one one one in my time, and you will see whenever the documentary comes
out mathematically it's Area one one one. This area is definitely a central point.
It's one of many many that's in this universe and on this Earth.
Yes, that just happens to be one of them. But there's nothing evil
at the Conjuring House. I sleep like a baby at that sucker. There's
just a lot of history. But like you said, there could be lay
lines there that he goes all the way back to John Smith. It all
the way back to the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, it's got three sixteen
o five. I mean, this thing goes all the way back. And
look at the look at the stone, look at the well, look at
look at what holds energy, look at where the water runs, look at
you gotta you gotta put all these things, you know into it's it's not
just any one thing. No conduring House. If the Conjuring House is no
simple location my math on this thing, and I've known the house very well,
but I knew it even better mathematically at the end of this last experiment.
It's it's a complicated place and there's so much going on there. But
there is nothing evil at this house. And I'm not. If Jacqueline's watching,
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to because she loves her new house,
and Jacqueline is amazing. For everybody watching, Jacqueline is amazing the new owner,
she is awesome. Definitely booked your your time at the Comfe House.
I promise you you will not be disappointed. But I do not believe that
there's anything evil there. But there's a lot of strange energy there is now
and it is everything down there. Mess around and think you're not going to
get your ask here and don't go with a bad don't that's what I believed
that, Yeah, I don't anything. Maliquis right. Well, it's like
it's like I say, you know, I live in a two hundred year
old farmhouse. I don't live alone here, I never feel alone, but
that energy is here. It's been built. You know, a blacksmith work
right outside. You know the driveway area had that area, and back in
that time, men the women weren't weren't supposed to speak unless spoken to.
You know, I had a lot of crap I dealt with in just this
house, let alone the conjuring house and what history lays there. So what
I always say is we're the haunted ones. If you have gifts and you
just don't know what you're getting and what you're experiencing, it's all in one.
It all goes together one way or the other. And it were perspective,
it is your intent. Are you there to screw with ship? Because
ship will come screw with you? Silly We always say go in, you
know, without you don't have to like, you know, ramp them up,
and yeah, there's no reason, but you do that. Why it
normal? You are best results you get exactly always. I have a thing
as well, is when we go into locations like that, like very known
locations, anything like Lizzie Board and or anything, people also drop off their
own baggage and leave it good. So it's it will stay for a while.
Sometimes it stays permanently. It just depends on the impact of Usually it's
the trauma or the right you know, whatever, whatever the residual um.
It could be anything. It could be loathing everything, you know, lightening
and fairy dust, you know. Not everything is dark and demons. It's
not. It's rare. It's rare. We would agree that it is seemingly
a portal area. In fact that because that week we got from our trip
there was wasn't anything evil at all. Yeah, there wasn't, but there
was like evidence of something you know, um going on, human occurring,
and it was really good data and I'm just going to call it data.
But it wasn't evil in any way. It was a little sad. And
that's how it was that Bobby Nakis I was like, yeah, there were
some shitty assholes that were here. There were assholes in life, they're assholes
and death. I had it come up and just go right in my ear
and I went running. They're like, yeah, you weren't even here for
three minutes. You went running for the front door. I said, I
felt the breath, I felt the energy just like engulfed me. And I
was like, I it was a human response. I went right back to
where I was at. I was like, shit, yeah, yeah,
yeah, he just wanted to mess with me. But after that interact.
Damn, damn, damn. Just everything just kept happening, right. There
was nothing evil there. There was nothing evil there. I mean it's been
negative. There wasn't negative presence. There was negative presence there. Yeah,
but that's completely basically it wasn't bad. However, we walked outside in the
back, it's beautiful, the properties like yeah, yeah, I went all
through there. Yeah. And in the back way way in the back is
um like after the stone wall, it's just a dead tree lane. There
a big dead tree. And I walked up to the dead tree and it
gave me a very I got anxiety. Yeah, Chris was like, I
don't know, thirty feet away from me to Chris, I walked back,
came back. I felt fine when I walked back, you know, like
ten feet came back up, did the same thing. So it's not just
spirits, it's it's property wise as well. It's land. Yeah, you
have the element yeah, which we had a question would you stand on elementals?
What do you think about elementals working with them? Okay, I am
very diverse in all areas of religion and occult and um, I'm very electic,
so I'm not ever just one way. Yeah, I am. I
do have Shumanism in me. Um. My grandmother was full blooded Cherokee,
and then my dad's mom was a medium, a full blown medium. She
died at forty two. She died young. She died when he was four,
and he's full full blooded Italians. So I mean, I've got a
lot of generational background stuff that I just like recently found out on my dad's
side. But it's nuts, it's nuts. So yeah, with the elementals,
there's several different types. And then you're working with you know, if
you're working in in the shamanistic aspect, you're you know, you're your north,
your east, your west, and you got your south. You got
your earth, your air, your fire, and your water. Um.
But there's also things that I have seen that people don't even believe exists.
That's where I'm different. That's why I don't fit in a category or never
fit in with other mediums because the things that I have seen and experience are
you can't even make a horror movie that bad. You just can't. Do
They hurt me? Do they bother me out? In one time? Yes,
but not any art because I had to learn about it. It was
my way, my path. But that's what makes me different. And elemental
stuff. You got to be more specific because there's all types of elementals.
Well, let me ask Chris question. Yeah, Chris, sure, before
elements, which one do you most relate to personally? Yes? Yeah,
Well I'm a fire sign if we want to get a fire signed. But
and that could play a part in it. But which do you? Are
you drawn to the sea or you I'm trying to water a lot water?
Okay? Yeah? And your environment? What I told you that you could
have been an elemental or you may one day be an elemental water. I
may be one now. But the thing energy cannot be created or destroyed.
And we've already discussed this. We've already decided it was all made and it
will never go away. When you leave here, Chris, you're not leaving.
You're simply going to a new place. What if you were an elemental
next You're going to be elemental in the past. Your energy is going to
go somewhere. It cannot disappear. If you're no longer on Earth. You
not not, Chris, But what is you? The energy that is you?
If you're no longer on Earth five hundred years from now, where will
you be because you will be somewhere, Chris, and you will be something.
What if you were in water elemental then not just on Earth? What
what if you were a watermental on another planet in another dimension? Just to
really row your viewers up. If your mind spinning, who's to say that
you weren't what we call an alien and you were an alien five hundred years
ago because you are on that planet in that dimension five hundred years ago.
But now your energy is here in Chris, on this planet at this moment
for I don't know, one hundred years. Must give you one hundred and
five years. I want you to be a no mayor. You're here on
this planet for one hundred and five years as Chris. This is where me
and Jay getting our debates. So you gotta go somewhere, and you had
to come from somewhere exactly. But since the universe and universe isn't even a
good word, because there's universes on the outside of our universe, even Honeycomb,
there's there's outsides of the outside of the outside. Right, you could
have done anywhere. You could have come from anywhere, and you can go
anywhere when you leave here. My experiment allows you for ten to fifteen minutes,
go wherever it is that you're free. Your photons, your tachions are
free for at least five, ten fifteen minutes and as a participant, and
you can travel and you can see where your energy can go. It's amazing
the things that I've experienced, like anti travel. Yeah, it's like a
traveling but we're limited. We can't go for more than a few minutes before
the mass of our photons, the mass of our tachions can slows us back
down because God or the universe or the Creator whatever has decided, No,
get your ass back over there where you were setting at. That's where you're
supposed to be for the next nine five years. So we only get a
few minutes, but I can what we're working on is giving somebody those few
minutes to go and see what is possible, what's possible. It's kind of
possible that you may have waken for now and what's possible in the future.
Right, So, your listener wanted to know more about the elemental stuff,
but I did want to queue in on something that Jay says because me and
him don't always agree on everything, and I love it because I need him
to challenge me and he has to challenge you know, its vice versa.
But like he was staying with you, Chris, you're you're fire right,
I'm an air sign. I'm Gemini, I'm dolty, I am versatile,
I am on the East Coast, but I am an air sign. But
I identify with fire right. Right. Yeah, they can go anyway really
and it can be all yeah, you know just as well as I do.
Jay, there's no limits. And what if we give you choose what
see, I haven't touched on that. What if we choose when we leave
here, where we're going next and what we're going to do when we leave
here. Well, there are different higher God behaviors. God could give us
free for our energy of where we're going to go next and what we're gonna
do next. I don't know. Maybe there's a brochure, I don't know,
and you just pick it out and you're talking to a real estate agent
or you're talking to a travel were christ Christen today And that's a soul contracts
an intervention, that's divine intervention. It's already done, it's already written.
I wanted to make the comment before because we were talking about like you know
we were there's the conjuring house as at evil and not early offending the new
owner Jacqueline. I think any kind of interaction with something that is outside of
your realm when it really happens, when you experience real phenomena, it's scary
as hell if you're not used to it best. The unknown is scary and
the story. You know, something moves across the table and you know,
oh my god, that really happened, and your physics go out the window
and your brain is just going, what just happened there? It's enough.
It doesn't You will see it in this upcoming documentary. You will actually say
me lose my ship because I don't care how season in investigator you are.
When you when it actually slaps you in the face, you got to step
back because the human brain has a hard time wrapping its head even though you
just prepared free body, and the brain does not understand what's happening together nope
and wants of preparation. One week of doing it and when it all ship
the bed for twenty minutes, we didn't know what I mean. Yeah,
I'm not happy with my behavior at that moment. I did lose protocol steaming
reaction though it's it's north, yes, it is. When it actually happened,
right, you have a hard time wrapping your Your brain doesn't want to
wrap around it's fight or flight. Yeah, I mean that's the human conditioning.
It's the reprogramming that's important. It's the re learning this. And I
like to I like to say I'm cool, calm and collective. I was
a marine, I wrote Rodeo. I grew up in West Texas, down
by the mortar. I mean, I have lived a pretty rough life.
I've dealt with a lot of crap. But when this hits you right in
the face, yeah, you take a step back because your brain's just not
white, red, string, all of it, exactly. I'd rather get
punched in the mouth sometimes than to try to figure out right and the world
was that, what does something happen? Yeah? What, I gotta go
outside. I don't know. Let me go take a walk for a minute,
because I gotta figure this shit out. Wrapping around it, right,
It could be difficult. It could be difficult. Psychologically, it can be
very difficult. And that's one of the reasons why my participants we do look
at the psychological we do the psyche vows to make sure and of course there's
only so much you can do to prepare for this. Are you with me?
I mean, yeah, Sky did wash both being Sky like she said,
we we both studied criminology. We both studied psychology. UM dealt with
it for years in various aspects of my life personally and very for me.
It's very hard to determine how a person's going to react. Yeah, when
it just walks up and punches them in the face. Yeah, you gotta
be careful exactly. Yeah, and we're we've got it. We have enough
training under us to keep it under control. I don't think we're ever going
to have I've never had bad experiences. I've been able to bring people two
levels of consciousness many times. I did it since I was seventeen years old.
Um, it was a natural gift in and ability that I could do.
It's just it's a part of my purpose, and that's why I'm where
I'm at, and that's why we're together, working um simultaneously with you know,
everybody else, because you have people human part. I'm very good with
the math, I'm very good with the but I have to run things by
her to get the human psychological part of it that I may be missing because
I don't I don't quite see that clearly. Now doesn't mean we agree on
everything, we doubt, but that's good because it keeps us both on our
toes right, right, you can play off of each other and then get
a bigger right we need that, I guess. Or one last thing,
This was the second part of that question you mentioned, like twenty minutes you
know, things went are have you found in your experiences here your UM document
experiences that these things happen seemingly in waves? In other words, you can
be sitting there for an hour, nothing goes on, then everything goes ballistic
for you know, it could be seconds, could be minutes wherever it is,
and then it goes away. Yes, yeah, what happened, and
then it it just dies right back down. This experiment that he was doing
was for the environment of the house and the property at that time when that
went that way or okay, okay, I was in both the environment and
the participants, and the participants were also helping to manifest this in the environment.
Right, So when it all went um and I say that she's crazy
just to get a joke, But when it all kind of went awry.
Um, yeah, it it went awry for a good fifteen twenty minutes.
Now, we closed that portal. I know we did, because everything went
back to normal within twenty minutes or so, and there's been nothing else out
of the normal for the causing house since then. But for fifteen minutes after
I would say fourteen minutes and I'm down to seconds milsa on my experiments.
By the way, for fourteen minutes afterwards, things were still not quite right.
I mean, we were dealing with chandeliers, we were dealing with likes,
we were dealing with footsteps and women laughing, which, by the way,
it was ten men in the house. No women were there running.
God only knows what was above my head as I'm trying to have a team
meeting and calm everybody down, and They're looking at me with their mouths wide
open, and I'm like what and they're like, she's above you, and
I'm like what in the hell? I just need a admitted there. I
mean, it was bad, it got it got really crazy. Yes,
I'm trying to make even though I'm I'm scientific, even though that I've calculated
everything that could be calculated When it gets to that point, it's hard to
digest what's going on and get your brain to wrap around it and cooperate with
you. And the human side of us comes out, and the scientific side
of me was gone. And I'm like, what the hell you mean above
me? You know? I mean these ceilings, y'all been in there.
The ceilings are right here. Yeah. And as I turned to look,
something goes under the doorframe, a white something, and is into the next
room. And I go running in there and nothing. Now I had seen
the black mass probably five years earlier, four to five years. I don't
remember when I was there. When you'll remember when Ghost Adventures filmed the very
first to the Conjuring House. For Ghost Adventures, that Halloween special. That
was a live one, right, there was a live Yeah. Nope,
nope, not a live one. Um, they filmed it for the Halloween
special. They were the first ones to get into the Condron House. However,
many years ago. That was my first night in there, um and
I spent a week there. Then. I had seen the black mass over
the years, but I've never seen anything white. This was the first night
I've ever seen anything white. And then it was gone within fifteen fourteen minutes
after closing the poort atmosphere hadeling after the frequency change. Yeah, the change,
it's gonna raise, it's gonna lower, gonna go all over the place.
We don't know what wait, windows or maybe whether frequencies are aligning and
it maybe it takes a little while for them to despis makes The window for
the phenomena to the experiment was forty five minutes and thirteen seconds long. So
in that forty minutes I subjected that house and those participants to a lot of
frequencies to manifest certain things. So at the end of that forty five minutes,
yeah, there had been a lot of energy raised and things had changed,
and then hey girl, how are you? And then right after that
it just dissipated. That's yeah, interesting, and that's what we see.
It's like whenever it happens, it's usually a short window. So going back
to where we started, and I just wanted to I'll say this again.
It's about the frequencies and vibrations and this is how maybe you guys are able
to get it aligned better and create that window on demand where the phenomena occurs.
And then of course things are going to dissipate, and maybe that is
the closing of the portal and some of those other things that are subjects that
seem cloudy in people's minds when they hear people like us talk about them.
You know, I think that's what you're hitting on in it. Well.
Some of these things, though, takes years in decades to develop on certain
levels. Yeah, but there is still a way to get from A to
Z and I'm trying to do I'm giving you a crash course. It's crash
course. They're gonna go what do they call it the ride? Yes,
well, my participants they call it the ride. And you have you seen
that little meme um with um oh, I don't remember that actor's name,
the comedian, but he's talking about hey man, you got a little more
of that, you know, And that's what that's. They're like, hey
man, can I take the ride? Can we do the ride? And
I'm like, yeah, well we're gonna do it again. They're like,
hey man, I need to take the ride again. Yeah, And I
never called it the ride. They call it the ride. They're like,
I got something to do, I got something to finish. I gotta go
back. Um. For those that have experienced it. Um. It is
very very real and very um. I guess it should be so real for
them, and they just they're like, I'm not done yet. I need
to go back, and I'm like, well, you can only go back
so much because it takes months to put one of these experiments together. Months
to put together a forty five minute experiment. And you take care of the
years between him and the years between I how many years we have combined with
even justin that's yeah, we got on those two hundred years. We got
it. We design this stuff. Oh, it takes Yeah, it's you
can talk all night, but I've got to feed my chihuahua and I have
to pee. This has been wonderful. We've been really love to having you,
guys, would love to have you. We can definitely get into some
more stuff. Yeah. Absolutely, fantastic conversation. Alrighty and loved it.
We loved it. Yes, and thank you so much. We look forward
to hearing more about the DC projects and yourselves individually and what you're working on.
Fantastic. Thank you, guys. Yes, thank you so much to
have me on. I appreciate it. Yeah, thanks guys, see you
later. Thank you. Oh sorry uh, we'll be right with you.
Thank you, guys, Thank you, guys. To you next Thursday.
Great show. Love these guys, love you all and the audience. Thank
you, Thank you again