Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our weekly video game show
here at geek First, and today we are talking all about x Men.
We're gonna do an x Men Legends three fantasy draft. I'm your host,
Del Musnig with me the clown Prince of Mutants, Travis snow Man, and
yes, I'm so excited. It's such a good time. We got Diplereen,
we got the x Men ninety seven talking about some x Men games.
We talked about X Men games a couple of months ago with those leaks,
so it's just a good time to be an X Men fan. I feel
like we were and we had to suffer some walls. But I'm very excited
for this cast and hopefully someone in the ether hears. He's like, that'd
be a good idea for us to do so, just like they did with
Marble Lions happened once before. Yes we can do it, and then we
also have the dreamcast. Kirklm Patzer, how's it going with my friend?
Going very good? I'm very happy anytime we can talk about X Men,
and it's just, yeah, it's exciting. I've never played X Men Legends,
so going into that pretty blind. I've seen you guys do it on
the twenty four hour stream, but I feel like it was probably in the
two AM slots, so it all kind of blended together those wee hours.
But yeah, I thought we had tech issues and we never got to do
it. I think that's what I feel like he did, like a couple
of patrollers. But maybe we booted it up. I can't remember, are
you not. Maybe I'm thinking of, yeah, that's okay, there you
go. I'm completely blind on X Men legends. Then. I think that's
our goal this year is to make sure that we have some excellent legends time
for sure. Because it was so late in the night that I just I
thought it was I thought I was seeing X Men. I thought I was
seeing uh, Wolverine. That looks like they're all the same game pretty much.
Yeah, I mean, guys, we haven't talked about this, but
is March officially x Men month? With the show coming out, We're doing
all sorts of drafts and fantasy things March and April, both them Rexes.
We'll have two x Men months in a row, yeah, because it goes
in April and then we're doing a second fan cast draft in April as well.
So yeah, I think March and April the month of x So there
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look out for that. There you go, Yeah, all that good stuff.
But yeah, we're doing this in honor of X Men ninety seven coming
out later this month, So this episode is a little bit early, but
once again we want to get a head start on the X Men month.
Here other things on the feed, we're doing the weekly Halo reviews. Check
that out. We just reviewed Dune, which is doing really well so far.
Thank you everyone for listening to that. And you know, we got
news and Travis told using all the all the other classic weekly stuff going on
March fifteenth. For there you go, March fifteenth. Where people go for
that? Where do they what do they do? I'm this spreek, but
Patron has this. Yeah, there'll be links everywhere, but Patreon I think
they have. I got to test up the file size. If not,
it's going to be like, uh, I forgot the name of it,
but they have these new thing now where you can sell just specific pieces,
so not like if you don't want all the episodes, you could put out
one episode. So that's why I think this is going to be where it's
going to be a separate thing, not for subscription and just you can do
it, but there it'll be all your usual places where you can find our
stuff. So okay, sounds good. Uh yeah. So, so,
like I said, we are doing today's it's a one topic kind of day.
We're going all in on x Men Legends. So for anyone doesn't know
what x Men Legends is, this is a series of two games that came
out or I guess two games with different versions, so I guess there's gold
be of more out there, but two games that came out in early two
thousands, and these are essentially just the same as your Marvel Ultimate Alliance,
as your Justice League game that we were just talking about there, where it's
like a top down kind of beat them up sort of game where you're unlocking
a huge roster of characters, getting combo moves, going through a very goofy
story. And yeah, so these games came out sometime in the early two
thousands. We haven't seen one since, and as Travis was saying with with
Marvel Ultimate Alliance, we did various casts on that as well. We did
like Fantasy Draft Roster, we covered all the trailers and stuff. But when
we did those fantasy drafts, we like, I feel like we did manifest
the game somewhat because we did those before there was ever an announcement, and
then the game got announced and we covered all of it all the DLC,
and so this is gonna be kind of similar to that, and we're hoping
that this also manifests an X Men Legends three. But yeah, as Kirkla
was saying, he's never played this game, I've only played these games a
bit because I bought them recently. So they're not even like nostalgia games for
me, but I picked them up recently. I'd used game store. Travis,
have you I forget if you've played these games before. I only rented,
Yeah, rented, and I don't know why I had. I feel
like I just bought Marvel Alliance because that was like the oh, well,
get everybody here, right, even though x Me's my favorite franchise as far
as Marvel stuff, I think that was just also the one that my friends
would have too, so it was easy like, oh, I want to
have my own copy and stuff. But I remember playing it and still liking
it enough. But yeah, definitely Ultimate Alliance got there more. But yeah,
I'd very much like another one of these, especially today, you know,
so which X Men stuff come back? So yeah, what do you
guys think the likelihood of a third game in the series happening would be?
Considering that we got Ultimate Alliance, and you know, I think it's sold
decently considering that it was a console exclusive on the switch over there, who
knows how much it would have sold. But I also probably think it was
a lower budget game than when you think of like a Marvel's Avengers or maybe
even a Midnight Suns or something like that. But what do you guys think
the chances are of them doing an X Men Legends three? And I don't
even know where the IP or ownership would be on that those specific games.
I guess it was like activisions that would be maybe under Xbox Now I don't
really know how that works, But what do you guys think you can see
it happening? I could definitely see the likely potential of an X Men's Legend
game, but I think the overall idea of like an x Men centric game,
even if it's not x Men Legends, is actually quite possible, just
because we're really entering into that phase of the MCU of having mutants as well
as I mean ninety seven's back, Like, I just feel like there's a
lot of actual focus on the X Men mutants more so than just mutants being
a part of like Ultimate Alliance, for example, because there is mutants in
that game. But I feel like there could be something like great potential with
just furthering on this ip specifically, but also maybe uh, maybe not X
Men's Legends, but like still that top down gameplay feel maybe make it somehow
unique in the sense that it doesn't just feel like an Ultimate Alliance clone or
something like that. But I would actually be surprised if we didn't get some
sort of focus on that game like that, even if it isn't X Men
Legends. I think that would be really hype, similar hype to how Ultimate
Alliance three had when that announcement came, especially just because like I've never played
this this this title, but always found it interesting and wanted to get my
hands on. It's big bummer we didn't have the GameCube remotes at the time.
But it'll happen. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough because I think for
me, it all depends on what happens with the Insomniac game that we've fir
rumored about now. And I say that just because like a'pick oh it's Insomniac.
Well, if you look at those breakdowns recently the past few weeks,
like what they're making off these games, it is not like a ton of
money now that we thought about right when Disney gets like yeah, their fees
and everything. So just because that's the plan doesn't mean it's for sure gonna
happen. So I think I'm more like the negative as far as it happening.
I'd say in the next five years. But the good thing is with
like when the X Men are really come to the MCU and hopefully and they
pop off. That could be in five years, right, so I think
there's a time. I don't know if they would call Legends. I feel
like it could be a similar thing, but it'd get a rebranding. I
would love it if ninety seven blew up and they did a version of this
game, but with ninety seven ascetic and characters, that would be like,
I think that'd be really cool. So I think there's something like this because
now The Alliance got its third I have seen like every once in a while
you got that trending tweet or something of like, oh, games that deserve
a sequel, And that comes up a lot more now than it used to.
I think just because everyone thought, oh, ALTI line is three,
that's more likely, and now that we got that, it's like, okay,
well this is another pie in the sky. Wouldn't this be great?
So I think with each year, as long as ninety seven other X ME
and stuff Wolverine, it starts to hit we could see something like it.
Like said, I don't know if they call X Men Legends, they might
rebrand it, but you know, I guess it also depends what Disney feels
about Ultimate Alliance, Right do they view oh, yeah, it was one
console that's happy, or did they look ah, this Platt like this type
of gaming genre is not us. Like it for us. So I think
I right now have my mindset on is probably not happening, but I'm always
hopeful and I would like to see even something newer happened, if it's like,
uh, an amalgamation of this, you know, mm hmm. Yeah,
I could probably see it more happening a few years down the road,
as you guys said, just when X Men is maybe bigger than it is
right now, specifically because Exmen ninety seven, you know, I think there's
gonna be an audience for that, but it's not gonna like blow up in
the way that like a mar like the Avengers movies did or anything quite like
that. So maybe when when they're in the MCU, we could see a
resurgence like that, and hopefully Insomniac still does go on to make those things.
It's unfortunate that Insomniac is is one the studios affected by the PlayStation layoffs
in this last week, So I hope that wouldn't ripple down to them not
making X Men something like that getting canceled and just focusing on Spider Man because
they know it works. That would be really, really sad. But yeah,
I hope we see it. And you know, honestly, I feel
like Team Ninja who made Marvel Ultimate Alliance three, I think they kind of
nailed it for what that game should be like they obviously had a huge roster,
such iconic locations, they had, like some weird deep cut characters.
They had like the Street level, the Avengers, they had a ton x
Men in there. Like they had great, a great roster and a lot
to do in that game, and then the DLC just added more and more
content to it. I really think the main thing I want from it is
just like the game not to be locked to the Switch. I just wanted
to be on other consoles where it can be a bit more powerful, or
even just to switch sequel so it can have a better frame rate and have
more like detail and just look a little bit better than Ultimate Alliance three did.
But honestly, like I think that I love that game. I mean
we did the twenty four hour stream when the game came out. I have
like over two hundred hours in that game. I fucking love it so much.
So I think they nailed it. And yes, you could make some
improvements here or there, but I think with an x Men roster too,
I imagine that would be a bit tight, and so you could hopefully spend
some development time on honing certain mechanics, making things better, doing more costumes,
than Ultimate Ninth three did. But yeah, I would be totally down
for Team Ninja to take on this trip, this third game if if it
were to happen. Absolutely, I had no complaints with what they did.
If anything, it's like, oh, you could do something here a little
different, but nothing like a big con of all. This was almost great,
but they did X, Y, and Z. You know, it's
I don't really have that. And that's always a big question for me because
I still get that for people that don't want to switch, if like,
oh I would have bought that, I would have loved to have that.
I hope it comes over. That to me is a big question. I
would have loved to see what that would have done on all three consoles sales
together. I'm not saying, oh, it would have been Inspire my numbers
or biggest game, but I feel like there's a lot of nostalgia people that
didn't get to make that plunge because for whatever reason, they don't have to
switch. If they're not a tender person, if they're on a budget,
if they are you know, if they don't want their kids to have it.
As far as just like hey, they do you pick one console.
This is it, so yeah, i'd be curious. But Team Ninja,
that'd be a perfect scenario marriage there, so mm hmm, yeah, definitely.
So what we're gonna do here is we're going to make a roster of
thirty six playable characters in this game. For reference. I always like to
pick my numbers based on like some other point of reference, and for this
it's Super Smash Brothers Brawl. Think about that roster we played that game.
They're thirty six characters. Technically just thirty five characters and then like the random
icon to make it like a nice even box, but thirty six characters overall
in that game. So that's the kind of roster we're going for here.
The first X Men Legends game I think got fifteen. The second one had
around that number as well, so it's about a similar amount there. And
then Ultimate Nights three when you get in factoring all the DLC characters in there
was like fifty something like there was a lot of characters. Thirty six good.
Yeah, so we're going we're going lower than Ultimate Nights three, we're
going higher than the first season ninety seven. We're doing nine plus the two
dealc pyps. I think a pretty knowledgeable X Men stuff. But yeah,
I think coming up with ninety seven would be pretty uh pretty freaking leeches make
it into the Rosy Rome Baker. Yeah, some crazy characters. So yeah,
I think maybe what we'll start with here is uh and we're also maybe
talking about some locations or levels you want to see villains, all the NPC
characters, Like, we'll talk about all of it, but I think we'll
kind of just build the roster by like if the characters of Lock will put
him in the Lock category, or if they're just if we want to think
about them, we'll put them into contenders. We'll do it that way,
and then when we have all those lists built out and then we can decide
who's gonna make it into that final that final list. So let's start by
just reading through so that the roster of the first game consisted of Beast CLASSUS
Cyclops, Emma Frost, Gambit, Iceman, Jean Gray, Jubilee, Magma,
Nightcrawler, Professor X, Silock, Rogue, Storm, and Wolverine.
So I feel like the most shocking one on there is Professor X. For
me, honestly, I think he was I think he was playable for in
like one level. It was like a special just for playing as Charles.
Like that's so unheard of. Yeah, I mean I like I said,
I think it is very limited. I think it might be something like how
often Venom is used in Spider Man two, like that kind of thing,
like you kind of do them for one sort of level. Yeah, Magma
is wacky picked the throw in there. Yeah, I was gonna say,
show the lego Marvel where you could play as Xavier a bunch and stuff.
But I feel like I feel like Magma was someone they added in there because
they want more female characters, which is fine, but that's all Like there's
tons of other very popular female X men that you could throw in there first.
But yeah, so with that list, why were you giving us that
list? Or are you gonna ask us if you wouldn't see any of us
those making it? Because I feel like those are all maybe I hang on,
I said, other than Magma and I'd say Charles. I feel like
majority of those are all locked. And even nowadays, I feel like i'd
locked Charles because people would I'd want to see them tackle Charles. Be like,
Okay, how do we make this player different? I think it's just
a telgonesis right. So we've seen that with Doctor Strean and Jean Gray and
that wand and stuff, So I think you can make it work. So
I think I'm a magma that that's like all those people would make it into
this game. Yeah, I mostly, I think I almost completely agree with
you here. There's a couple, uh most of them are just like complete
locks, and there's a couple weird ones in there, or there's certain characters
like Jubilee X Men Legends one that was the only time she's ever been playable
in any of these gmes. She wasn't playable in the second one, not
an Ultimate Alliance one, two or three, so it's kind of weird that.
And even Emma Frost was another one, only playable in that first game,
never playable in any of these games ever. Again, so yeah,
yeah, some of them are in all of these games, but some of
them are only maybe make one appearance, So I don't I just kind of
want to do this just to set the scene of what the previous games did.
Yeah, and this can help set a foundation for us. But yeah,
I'm not saying that we're locking any of these guys right off the bat,
just just throwing it out there. Cross was surprising for me on that
list as well. But like, I just think about her her move set
and like it seems very translatable to the game. I mean, obviously if
she's with was in this game, I think she would be a great inclusion
into a thirty six man roster. Basically everyone else. I think Professor Ex's
still have for me to picture. I just picked like just doing circles in
the little chair or something. Yeah, I think he'd be You gotta make
him really ope, hit box real low, like you can die quick,
but hit box real big. But he is like always has his finish ready
to go, you know, his ultimate X. Here's the roster for X
Men Legends too, so now that I'm looking at actually is quite a bit
bigger in terms of numbers. You have Beast, Colossues, Cyclops, Gambit,
Iceman, Jean Gray, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Storm, Wolverine. And
then here are the characters that weren't. Those are all characters that were in
one. Here's some new ones. Bishop, Juggernaut, Magneto, Scarlet,
Witch, Sunfire, Toad, Cable, cannon Ball, Dark Phoenix, X
Man, don't know who that is, Pyro Sabertooth, iron Man was in
this game for some reason, and Deadpool to close out the list. That's
a really good roster actually with iron Man. But that's a fun, different,
unique roster there. But uh, I like having some freak characters in
there like that are just real deep cuts. I think we should try and
have a couple of those, one or two in our roster of just completely
off the wall sort of picks. Oh well, there's definitely one. I'll
be fighting for him. He's on our photos here. But come on,
now, you know so Travis an x Man, do you know who that
character is? I think he's somebody. Yeah, I've seen him on I
remember he was a comic I had at my grandma's that I didn't like.
He's somebody that they are trying to make saying. I think he's somebody's kid,
maybe eight gray Gray. Yeah. I think they renamed him later on
because I think it's kind of like the Captain Marvel thing where it's like born
of genetic splicing with mister Sinister involved in this character. I wonder one before
learn any more about him in the coming months, I wonder. But that's
what it was, just his name for a bid and then they dropped that
the same I can't remember Jean Gray has a child later on too that it
has some sort of weird name. It's not like like miss x Men,
but it's something where it's like really like you want you want to be the
lead character. So I that must have just been to the story. That's
definitely if I'm showing my card is not anyone I would include here. I
don't think there's many kid characters, not kid age meaning kid that descendants of
other mutes I would include unless you would count one certain clone which we can
talk about later, but m hm so. And then looking at Ultimate Alliance.
Also for the characters that were in those games, there aren't any like
X Men specific characters that only appeared in those games are not an x Men
legend. So I found that interesting when I was going through here, there
are how many characters? Let me see one, two, three? There
are five characters who are and both X Men Legends games and all three Ultimate
Alliance games. Who do you guys think those are? Because those are those
I mean those I gotta be just solid locks on the list immediately, right
Nightcrawler, No, oh, okay, you would put Nightcrawler in the top
five, huh, just for playable. I feel like his move said like
the first time I played Ultimate Alliance, I just felt like that was that
was the guy that I wanted to be bamffing around in. But I mean
Wolverine. I guess Wolverine's one of them. Absolutely. And did you say
marvel A Lions one and two or marl Lions one, two and three?
All? Yeah, all three of them and both X Men Legends games.
I got three. I know it would be Wolverine, Storm and Deadpool.
I'm that's the other two that I'm having a tough time because I know cla
Deadpool. Deadpool is not in the first X Men Legends game. Oh right
next with Legends, okay, mcause I know Gambit my boy one of my
favorite fucking players, and Marvel Lions two is not this Okay, So Storm
and Wolverine clops and it wasn't one, but he wasn't both of them,
Jean Gray, I finish she was in Marvelance two. She was not in
Ultimatelyiance one. That's she's not. And there's also like like some like in
Ultimate Liance three her name is Phoenix. Yeah, I think some games,
she's Jean Gray and and I think the same. Yeah, one of them,
she's Dark Phoenix, So I guess that would be like slightly different,
but I think for our purposes we'd bundle that as one character. Oh man,
yeah, you'll have to give me the three because I'm I'm blanking right
now. Really, it's on who they could be who. Also, the
characters I didn't play with. One of them is the leader of the team
in ninety seven the new Oh Magneto. Fuck wait, I thought Cyclops was
the leader. Is Magneto the leader? Oh? I guess Cyclops? Was
he a DLC? Then in Marvel Lions two, I don't know. I
just wrote down that he was in there some way. I know for Ultimateiance
there was a lot of like like the game Boy version had like she Hulk
or something random, so I think there was, like there's a lot of
weird exclusive characters. So maybe the version you had didn't have a cyclic yea,
because even Cyclops in the first one he was DLC as well, not
exclusive, but he was d'e in three as well. Actually, so he's
not always been in the base roster. I suppose, Yeah, he's he's
in all five, you got Storm and Wolverine. I think I may be
overcounted. I think there's actually just four, so you all only need one
more. And yeah, it's not someone you would immediately think of, but
it's Iceman. Iceman has been all five of these games. That makes sense.
I could see them be like we I don't want a water ice Sky,
So it does make sense because he's he's yeah, like, no one
has a move set quite like him. So even if personality wise he's not
as engaging or story wise, it's he's just got a move that you can't
you can't not have him in the game. So I think that should be
like, we should start with those four. I think we can slap all
four of those on our list right away. Are you guys happy with that?
Wolverine, Storm are like the easy go Like I think those are the
install locks. But yeah, those four I would agree with. Yeah,
yeah. And then other characters, so well, we're just gonna start with
small, obvious ones and then we can get into, you know, pitching
our new ones and whatnot and so other these are characters that that we're in
both X Men Legends one and two that we haven't mentioned yet. Beast and
Cyclops. Should we just lock those happy to lot those? I would love
Beasts to be in like a New Alliance type of game, you know,
Yeah, because he wasn't in any of the Ultimate Alliance games. No,
I think he's an NPC, but he never ye never played, so I
love and they different costumes of Beasts. Yeah, of course Gambit as well.
I think absolute Jean Gray as well. You got to get her in
there. What do you do with Phoenix though? Is that the same character?
Separate moves, move sets? Yeah, I'm thinking like maybe Dark Phoenix
is like a boss fight in the game or something, but the character yourself,
I don't care color Phoenix color Jean Gray. Like I'm on the bandwagon
where I'd want them separated because I'd want them have two different complete move sets,
and really because there's Phoenix and Dark Phoenix, right, and then the
Geen Gray. So I feel like when you look at Gene Gray and you
look at Phoenix and her move set, they're not the Like. Now,
what they do in video games is just well just give They could do that,
right, and maybe we can. If we need to fill a slot,
you can throw Phoenix in there. But for me, if I was
having like a dream roster, I'd want a separate because I feel like Geen
Gray would be the more helping the support character, but Phoenix is the like
like destroyed. Yeah, I feel like you could just implement that into like
an ultimate move though. You could just have Gene Gray and then like when
you hit that ultimate bar, she just turns into Phoenix and then it's kind
of like how Captain Marvel played right and Ultimate Alliance when she goes binary mode.
Yeah Phoenix, Yeah that's true in Ultimate Eightser because I'd booted that up
yesterday just to try out some of these characters to remember their their move sets.
And yeah, like her, Phoenix's move set in that game is full
of fire moves, and her like her ultimate move. I don't think she
like transforms into Dark Phoenix, but she does like a huge fire explosion and
revives someone. So it's a very Phoenix sort of thing. So should we
just put Gene Gray on the list for now and the Dark Phoenix maybe is
a contender or should we just put both versions and the contender list and come
back to it later. I feel like I'm happy with just the one version,
you know, I feel like Phoenix, then okay, we can come
back. Interesting night Crawler, as you mentioned Kirkland, you gotta have a
Nightcrawler. Rogue, you gotta have Rogue. Yeah, really souped up power
rogue though Tankage Yeah yeah. Another character who has never been in an Ultimate
A Liance game, which is interesting. And then we mentioned Storm and Wolverine.
So that's actually that's the list of all the all the characters that were
in both games. So I think that could maybe serve as like a nice
that's a level. That's ten characters right off the bat. Maybe that our
nice foundation there, Travis, it seems like you're on the wait. I'm
waiting. I'm waiting for the waiting for the completely. I completely agree with
that list of ten so far. The Jubilee in the room is she on
the cut? Did Jubilee on the cut? So she wasn't in that that
I made, But I think she should be a lot I think, and
I want them to make that yellow whatever trench coat as bright as possible in
the game, like that's her finish she just puts on. You're like,
oh, that's what I want. But absolutely, I feel like you have
her lots of good Commo moves and everything. So, yeah, Jubilee to
me is a lock. Who else do you guys consider would you consider to
be just like a lock without a shadow of a dough? There's no chance
this character is not playable. Two things? Are we leaving villains more towards
the back half of the conversation. No, I feel like saber Tooths a
lock. Then he was in one game already. He was in I don't
know if he was in the x ME games, but he was in a
Marvel Alliance game. He was in Ultimates one and X Men Legends too.
Yeah, I feel like he would be. He's tanky, lots of great
costumes. It's top though, and this is where before if we want to
lock saber Tooth, maybe the counter would be with the game rather. It's
tough because I don't know what they do for the move set, but I
guess you get the foot claw to me, it's X twenty three, And
that's saying like, is there a game where you would have Wolverine saber Tooth
the next twenty three? I don't know if there would be, and I
feel like they would lean towards getting X twenty three now because the foot claw.
I think that is something very fun you could do with You can have
them different stats wise, so I think in a dream world you get them
all. But that's my only counterpoint for saber Tooth that I think he would
be a lock. But if we were to have lower in the conversation,
then I'd say that he kind of gets gets the boot. Yeah, I
mean, I think that's the difficult thing with villains is that naturally, like
I don't know, we could we could be content quote unquote to just have
them in the game as like, oh well obviously you'd fight against them.
Yeah, and that's okay, and we don't necessarily name those a playable character.
And that's where I would put saber Tooth I think in the contender category
right now, just because I think we're gonna get to we're gonna get up
to like high into the twenties pretty quick, you know. And I don't,
I don't know, I don't, I don't know if I can lie
yet I would not pass that that vote just yet. I feel like like
even as cool villains, I feel like there's so much cooler ones than that,
Like Omega Red would be a lock over over that more so. But
I also feel like that's that would be too early because he is just like
that would be a villain. It could be like an easy first round of
DLC pack, you know, the Omega Red pack, but with Omega Red,
Sabertooth and stuff. I'm with you, Omega Red as a lock for
me, but I think that's like for Hype, I don't know if they
would like I don't know what the fan base for Omega Red is out there,
so yeah, just a communist character that's probably not the name one.
But for Sabertooth, I also feel like, I don't know, maybe I'm
wrong by this, and maybe I'm just going by marvel Snap stats, but
he just seems very similar to Logan in my opinion, where obviously you can
make them separate, but yeah, I don't know, just bigger. He's
like the tank. You're like, same same general powers right like the region
in there. He's tough. He's just a brawler, smell nails, big
different there you go. I don't know, I just feel like to fit
that tank type category or brawler type category, there's so many other like someone
like Colossus for example, that has been in games before, Like would he
be an instant lock for you, I feel like me. Yes, I
feel like he would be just because he is like such a generic, like
brawler type tank character. But yeah, Clausus is really fun in Ultimate Lines
three. I can't remember his move set super Bowl one or two, but
I really like his what they did with his move set in three. For
me, people can just like Combo, their their beams off of him,
like at all times pretty much just walks around and he just reflects beams.
It's really cool. Classes would be a lock for me. I need that
Fastball special with Wolverine where he just picks up the toss some stuff, Like
I feel like I thought we already locked Classes. I'm gonna be honest with
you too. Yeah, yeah, what about what about Laura? What we're
talking with the Feral characters? Definitely on my contender list. Yeah, strong
contender, but not an immediate lock, but I would I would love to
get her into this roster for sure, especially lately she's been the actual current
Wolverine and comics. I feel like you're gonna get a big push for her
in the next five years or so. So yeah, but okay, contender
list, all right, and then well, I'm surprised there's a couple other
like easy locks for me. But Kirkland, do you have other do you
have other easy lock type characters? Maybe I missed it, but we did
we already lock Gambit lock. Okay. Good. Someone that's kind of out
of the ordinary roster he's been relevant since animated series for sure is Cable.
I don't know if he's been playable, but I feel like he would be
a mass, massive lock for me right away, just because he's the most
badass character kicking. If you guys want to in the list, you can
pull that up. Okay, okay, yeah to me? Yeah, Cable
a combo lock, you know. So? Yeah, Cable was in Next
Men Legends two, and then he was in Ultimate Lines two and three three
as a DLC character as well. I think I think Cables will lock for
sure. And we haven't actually locked Deadpool yet. I think we should just
do that right now as well. Yeah, I guess I would. Why
what holds you back on that track? I'm Deadpool outed in video games Midnight
Suns was my lever where It's like I didn't need them here, you know,
And that's what's just like, as much as I love they would absolutely
do it. So if you're asking, hey, Trav's business, I were
you Locky. Yes. So if we're just making what we think is the
roster, it's our dream roster, so it should be it should be our
passion rather than what is the business we'll put them, We'll put them there,
I guess. I just there's still For me, it's just would I
rather take Deadpool, who has been playable in so many games, or someone
new that's never gone a spot? And that's where I am in the sense
where Deadpool's gone his own game. He would definitely make it in there.
But for me, that's my only thing. I like Deadpool one of my
favorite characters, love him, but just there's been so much Deadpool. I'd
rather be someone get me Leech, you know, like, and maybe the
character might suck, right, but I just because there's been so much Deadpool,
I would actually be fine with a pass, but I think of alone
on the rocks. That's okay. I mean, honestly, you're making some
good points because I agree in Uh Midnight Suns like worst character in terms of
move set, and then also ultimately it's three. I did not like his
move set very much, so I was never really a big fan of his.
There I something just feels wrong if he's not on the roster for me,
But we can wait. Also we can just I think we should slap
him in contender for now, just based on this conversation. Stop him at
the border. You're a Canadian, you can't get What about the Twins,
I feel like they're a lock. Yeah, yeah, especially which for sure,
let's do that right now. Well Scraich for me, Quicksilver for sure,
because we com plain all the time of why don't these games ever get
speedsters and we know why they don't because it'd be such a pain for me
then to figure it out. But Lego Marvel just fantastic. They they cracked
the code like they they're like if you play the Flat or even just like
play DC Lego Batman or Justice League, like when he plays Flash. They
can be fast, but there's a great like way and effort they use it.
For me, I would want Quicksilver to be in there, cool combo
moves, you need the cool synergy between the two. But for me,
I want more Speedzers in these games. I want them to get challenged the
dev It's not that it's not already. Yeah, which Flash in that Justice
League game. I don't think we ever got that far. He might have
been, but we didn't very far. I'll do it, take a look,
but I don't know if he was. Yeah, I so when I
was going through this, Quicksilver has never been playable in either X Men Legends
game or any Ultimate Alliance. So I see where youre coming from, Travis,
of like, yeah, I understand why not because it could be tricky.
But to me, it's like you just make his his like power moves
where he does like a big Z formation and like that's that's like a hip
box. So you make him do like a spinning tornado thing, and that's
how you incorporate the speeds are and you can make his like default move speed
a little bit faster than normal. Obviously, with every player sharing the same
screen, it's tricky if you have one guy who's like flying super far.
But you're already know that jankiness anyway, when certain characters are flying over things
and whatnot, like you're already gonna get that chaos in these kind of games.
You just got to embrace it. So yeah, I think for the
first time ever, Quicksilver should be playable in U in one of these games.
I feel like you could also just do like quick attacks as their default
attacks and just have them kind of like the animation style doing more effect than
what's actually happening. Yeah, he just keeps running around the character or something
like that could be. I feel like it could definitely work. He could
like slow the world down and like you could go just beat up a bunch
of people. That'd be sweet. Yeah. Flash was in that Justice League
Heroes game, so I don't know what he played, like, so you
did it there? Yeah, but yeah, I'm I'm full in the Quicksilver
train. I feel like he has to make his time here, you know.
Yeah. One one character that I really didn't know much about, I
think before I played Midnight Suns and then of course popping up my Marvel Snap,
I got magic yuh Ileana Russ Button I believe is her name. Yeah,
really interesting character, and I feel like just the sword is very,
very usable in many different ways. Obviously just bashing bashing random mobs or maybe
have some sort of teleportation thing to it, like bashing random what what bashing
random? What? What did I say? You said mobs? Yeah?
I heard moms. I'm like, why what does that mean what I said
was so was so crazy, but you like immediately forgot what you said,
just like this reaction. I was just like, okay, mobs, Yeah,
just bashing random mobs or having like a baff effect similar to not necessarily
as fast as might crawler, but just like a group portal something something like
that. And she's also she's got a great charisma, like I feel like,
just bouncing off other characters. Her little one liners could be brothers in
our game already. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so it's for me.
I'm I'm a huge fan after Midnight Sun, so that's a easy lock
for me as well. How about that we take a quick break, We'll
go We'll go to Limbo with Magic for a moment. We'll be right back.
Moms, Okay, we are back. What's the confusion. We haven't
technically locked Magneto yet, so we should do that. It's just gonna bring
him up. Yees, he's got He's always super fun in these games.
He feels overpowered in the best way possible, especially Ultimate Lines three. Like
his attacks we're so freaking huge. I X Men Legends two is cool.
He's like one of the starting four characters. You get in that game,
which is I think such a fun, fun twist on what you'd expect.
Do we decide on Charles do we contender him to be side like that?
For me, isn't the quick suategory where I want to see them challenge,
Like, hey, you make this character that is an un floating chair and
has no mixed martial arts, no training, it's all the mind. What
do you do with that character? And I think there's enough characters like Jean
Gray Scott which that they could base it off and goes similar to them,
but do something completely different. I think the same way when and I think
it'd be like for me, Magneto and Xavier be like like, let's say
this penultimate level you play where it's those two together and you make same thing
Charles super strong, Like think about like a big attack, like what's that
called when it's like a big circle round you? Yeah, think about you
do that and just like all the enemies like hold their minds for a few
seconds stuff like that, Like I think you could have them turn on each
other. You could do many games have that thing where the enemies start fighting
each other, like all big attacks like that, So you have to be
I don't know if you could solo the game as him, but what if
you should google or YouTube his his gameplay of him and Ultimate Lance one.
I'm curious, okay what that looks like? I will and second, but
that would be my pitch is won the challenge like Quicksilver, like get him
in there too. I think when all the things we've seen in the movies
and even just like his finish, I feel like you could do something really
cool of like going into the mind and that's where he messages you up,
like almost like a moral commat thing. I would like to see Charles in
this game, you know, like I said, maybe it's something. He's
a character. He could be the last unlocked, like you unlocked Charles Xavier.
He is, that's how strong he should be, like almost than as
Like mm hm, I'm I'm in a weird spall where I I just I
think I'm okay with him being like an NPC, being like the quest giver,
being the dude of the mansion. I'm sure he could have a cool
move set. And if this was a roster of ninety seven characters, absolutely
he's in there. But for me with thirty six, I there's a chance
there's a chance I want him in there, but right now I couldn't.
I couldn't put him as a as a roster lock at the moment. I
just gotta wait and see what the rest of the field looks like. I
forgot. He's also in the fighting game too, So in the side scrolling
Fighting game, that's the first one that came up. I I can see
and I'm watching it. It's just Magneto beating the shit out of him.
But yeah, then he does some mind effects. I feel like I'm I
see where he's coming from, Travis, But for right now, it's just
hard for me to picture. Like, yeah, I can see the CC
moves. I can see like the crowd control, the utility that he would
provide to a team, but just like what happens when you don't have any
manna or whatever that bar is, Like, I just can't picture him just
beating down people to like like you know, just like shooting a little like
mind bows, you know, or like just pip out his chair. I
guess that has like a like a song that was because that was something I
loved about at the Alliance three is that they for characters that like it doesn't
really make sense for them to be punching and kicking. They made like their
basic moves, not that like Storms basic moves are like throwing out little tornadoes.
And I think they did such a good job of representing the characters,
whereas every other game Storm is like, yeah, throwing throwing fists around and
whatnot. So for Exavier, they could do a similar thing, right,
He's like shooting little mind bullets or something. But but yeah, I don't
know. I think should we leave in Contenders for now, We'll come back
to them. I'm more sold than it was the first time, but not
fully sold yet. Guys. There's three characters that to me are total snubs
that they'd never been playable in any of these games. One of them we
talked about is Quicksilver. Two other ones Mystique has never been playable before in
any of these games. And once again, I get it, she's mostly
like a black widow type with the punches and the kicks and the agility and
whatnot. But I think, you know, you give her some grenades,
you give her gun or something, give her some ability to transform into other
characters. I think she could be really fun and she should have a chance
to have a move set. Not for me, I'm the same way you
feel at Charles. I'm fine with her being NPC because I think in a
game of X Men, I don't want grenades and guns, and I feel
like she's the character if you have thirty six people and you had to split
the roster in half into a football game, she gets picked last every time.
No one's gonna want to play as Mystique, Like, I just don't
know if there's anything cool to do with her powers in a sense in this
right, Like I think I would work in like a Mortal Kombat game where
you could switch into ub zero as Mystique, like oh shit, But for
me, I would never Like, of course i'd try her for you and
everything, but I would have no interest to play as Mystique, just because
it's just it's just a tactical character that can be kind of in everything else.
And I guess you could have like a puncher kicker, but there's gonna
be other combat people with even a bishop and cable, Like they shoot in
everything, but they still punch. Wolverine punches. Lor save to punch is
gambit punches. So for me, it's just like there's not enough with her
powers or the attack she used that I would want to play as her.
I guess I'm fun with her as a contender, but I don't think I
would ever select her unless for some reason it was really cool. But I
want more of the power base and the X Men game, So that's where
I come from with a mystique. I'm definitely a lot more sold on it.
I feel like the type of move set that you like steal someone's abilities
or appearance or something is just really appealing to me in gameplay, Like the
character of Shang Sung in Mortal Kombat one, like they use it's so good
that if you do a set move set, you'll copy the complete like you'll
just be the other character. But then there's also ones that you'll just steal,
like an ability or something, use it in like the heat of gameplay,
And I feel like that can be utilized really well in a type of
game that we're pitching. The hardest thing is maybe when you don't have like
another like instead of copy you know, Mega Red's abilities or something like that,
like you will have just random webs. Yeah yeah, but I still
think you could have something like she just you do something and you like become
another character from anyone on the roster and like not necessarily anyone that's in the
party, and then it's just a limited thing or like certain abilities like that.
I just feel like it's it's really appealing to be able to kind of
play every character with the one character obviously wouldn't be permanent and be very limited.
But I'm I'm definitely more sold on this, I think than Charles so
far. But I'm okay with benching her for now. We'll put her in
contender. And the other character that I was surprised to see has never been
playable on all these games is can you Pride? Yeah, she's on my
list. Yeah with the Dragon version, get her a little dragon homie in
there, right, that's a lot for me. Yeah, the Dragon homie.
You're gonna do multiple different tacks. I think the thoughts of cool with
the phasing and her going through stuff. So to me, she's led the
X Men before, so to me that was like, that's an instlock.
I get in the past, though, why she didn't. She's gone more
popular over the years, and I just feel like when you have a smaller
roster back then you gotta go for those big, heavy hitters, but if
you deal a bigger roster, she to me would be in top ten,
top fifteen, Like she's the ones that would be in the almost the announcement
trailer, you know, sorry, right, yeah, Kirk. Initially,
I feel like her move set is hard for me to translate into a game
like this. I don't really know too much about the dragon thing, but
like also just being able to go through terrain. Obviously it has fantastic exploration
uses, but I definitely think it can be utilized in combat as well.
I don't know the full extent that she uses it, Like, I feel
like I'm kind of limited on this on my knowledge of this character in general,
but I think because she is so unique, it would be fantastic inclusion
in a roster because it is so different than like a regular character. Would
she be like a damage dealer utility? Like, like what kind of role
do you think she would fit? I think she could be like a bit
of a support character along with you know, doing the classic beat him up
stuff. But I think she'd be very agile, like good at dodging.
Maybe has like low HP, but it's just really good at dodging. But
they can also maybe like make a teammate and I guess, like what they
intangible or something so the enemies can't shoot them for a bit or something like
that as well, or maybe they like you could just in a gameplay sense,
translate that into her having like a heel or something. Make the whole
team like I think like that would be like a big group activity where you
make the whole team go invisible for a bit they can't take damage and stuff.
So and then having the dragon as like a little pet I think is
a fun idea too, where that could be used for a couple moves as
well. So, yeah, what do you think, Kirklin, is that
is a Locker contender for you? I'm okay with I'm okay to Locker.
Definitely do it for the first time ever. Yeah, how about we let's
go maybe we'll finish talk about these characters in the first two games that we
think maybe still have a chance of making any of this game. So we
we talked about Emma Frost. Yes, I'd like to see it locked.
Honestly, That's where I'm at with her me too, are we all there?
Travis Contendership? Where you at to me? I'm in the same sense
of like in the comics, her and Charles are very similar so to me.
To me, it's like they either both get locked or they're both contenders.
Not locked because she's not a fighter. You can't turn Diamond though she
can like Tank, but he can easily just put a mind shield in front
of him right like that. No, it's just like they are the exact
same as far as them as fighters. When you're talking about like what would
be their just natural a attack, they both don't have that. So for
me, they are too similar, and that's the sense of maybe it'd be
like, Okay, it's too hard to crack this character and you could only
have one, So for me, I would be and if I have one,
it's tough because I see pros and cons for both. So for me,
I would rather contender her right now or I locked Charles on both.
Yeah, you've swayed me a bit to contendership. Actually, unless Kirkland has
a great move set counter argument here, Diamond Diamonds are addition, Yeah,
yeah, I don't have it in me right now. Okay, we'll come
back, actually, so bring this up here. So I mentioned Magma of
course, and then Sunfire in the second game Pyro in the second game.
There's a lot of fire based characters. I think you could have one fire
based character because that's fun for the move set and stuff. And I guess
if we're considering a dark Phoenix, maybe we'd go that way. And then
there was another fire character I was thinking of that wasn't in one of those
games. Did you mention Pyro? Yeah, Pyro is in the second one.
I guess Sunspot, like, is he fire? Kind of you kind
of like a fire a sort of dude as well. The only reasons is
it he He's in ninety seven, right, He's the one we keep talking
about. I think if it's Sunfire Sunspots different characters. Whichever son it is,
is it Sunspot as I feel like he if yeah, he is,
I feel like I'm a Pyro guy. But if you were looking at characters,
I feel like in this age, maybe they're gonna give him a little
bit of a run. I feel like Sunspot would be the fire guy.
He actually looks kind of cool when you look at some stuff when he gets
if you look at and then when he turns into fire, it's not just
him, like he becomes like dark and molten and stuff. Not the Days
of future past one. He's not as cool. But if you look at
the calm, if you just put an x M ninety seven sun Spot,
he looks cool when he transforms. So I think that would actually be a
really cool outfit or different outfits or whatever the second one. So I would
be in the sun Spot camp for the sort of hiccups for the fire guy
one. Not saying we can't have more, but I feel like if we're
getting one, I think we should. I think we should do one and
one alone. Yeah, like if any of them were more iconic characters,
yes, but I think for the power element of it, we got to
have one of them. But I don't. I don't really think there's room
for more than one. Just with a thirty six cap on here. Yeah,
I'm teeing some like maybe there's like a costume where you can look like
the other ones and they can just share a move set or something, but
that that's kind of where I'm at. I vote Sunspot just because it's it's
new and unique and like his look for sure, and just the ability to
absorb and channel solar power like that? Is that not so similar to Scott
Summers with his like, isn't that how he gets his laser beam? Yeah?
He kind of like a mister Negative thing going on too in some of
these photos, so I like that. So he's very meta Card and Marble
Snap as well. Okay, it's good, good one. Okay, Well
we'll do Sunspot. Then do you want me to put any other fire characters
that I mentioned in Contenders or on the fringe? Anyone that you want to
think about? Definitely not Magma. I think we can drop I Pyro down
if anyone, it would be Pyro for me, just because it's like the
most classic fire guy I feel. But that just comes to the slot too,
and it's like, I guarantee theky we can only do five villains.
If they would I want to be one of them. No, I definitely
wouldn't you know. So we can leave them there for contenders, but he's
more so at the bottom for me for contenders. M hm. Okay,
and then let's see whatever I Silock. What do you guys to feel about
Silock? So was it playable in the first X Men Legends and then in
Ultimate lines two and three. I think she's cool. I love her powers.
I'll ever look. I think she'd probably lock for me, but I'd
be okay with a contender for now, she would be a lock for me.
I played her quite a bit actually in Ultimate lines three and just I
don't know, really cool look with just agile ninja type character, and I
feel like it's we don't have too many light attack characters, I guess,
as well as ones that are focused on like a DPS aspect, and for
those reasons, Outlocker and my background's very silocky right now. Yeah, yeah,
it is absolutely locked for me. One just because I feel like versus
the mystique thing where it's like, oh, that's more combat character. This
is the combat with the power. So you have the sowre, they're growing,
those lots of daggers, you could throw out stuff, and just for
like, I still kind of go for not just business, but like what
would people want? The nineties kids love Silock, like that's when she got
a big push. I just feel like people, whether it's for coolness or
for other reasons of young males growing up, like there's lots things with Silock,
but I just feel like people see Silock and they oh, what a
cool character. So I feel like she to me is an insta Locke,
and I'm kind of surprised that she's not been in almost more of these games.
It's like not generic, but like she's a fighting character, so very
more easy moonset. You just add some big knives on those fists and you're
good to go, you know, very much, so big knives next to
Bishop, I like character importance wise, I wanted to be there, but
is his moves that not just like he has an assault rifle? Like what
is what is his past? Cable too, so I picture Cable similar to
Bishop, but Cable way cooler, So that's what would be my vote.
Cable has like little time traveling things. He has like more electronic things he
has like grenades and stuff. I feel like Bishops just that music that classic
you got that music. But he also has a big gun that like he's
known for, like it charges up that even taco and day like it's in
days of Futures pass, like you had to make sure you had that gun.
Like I'm in the same camp as Emma and Xavier where I think it's
like a both or not, because I feel there's lots of people that prefer
Bishop to Cable, So that's where it's like, what's the argument for Cable
over Bishop other than just like he's cooler. So I'm fine to put him
in contenders. But I'm a I'm a with them both because I also feel
like story aspect wise, they would be linked together like they were both in
Marvel Allons two together. I just feel like that's what happened. If one
was in the game, the other one will not be that far behind.
Like all the stuff you talked about, the time deflection everything, you can
literally just put those same Caables on the Bishop and they're the same, right,
So that's the thing where they have. They are similar guys, but
it's the look and the vibe. So I think alliance was what you said.
Bishop is an ultimate Alliance. I think he's at the Alliance two.
I'm pretty sure. I think he was part of the Civil War story because
I think that's the big thing is they come there together or together. But
I don't think he's not a playable character, though I think he is.
I would love to be proven one way or the other on that. I
don't I didn't see him in when I was going to get he could be
right maybe about that. See, you know what if they didn't put him
in there, but they put Cable in there. What does that say about
the relative? I also I pull in like because I once again I was
playing Cable yesterday and ultimately it's three and he has a really interesting move set.
So that's where he's a bit more I guess top of mine in terms
of having an interesting move set for me. Oh, you could be right
if he's I think you could have Bishop in the game too and just not
Yeah, Bishop absolutely in the game Cable story also, have we already locked
Cable already in there? So two or no? I mean, I guess
okay, he was a boss battle, I guess, but see now reverse,
I'd be like, I'd be like, flip them, give Bishop his
chance. You know, Cable's got a chance already. But Bishop was playable
and ultimately in X Men Legends too, that's where he's been playable. What
was I I was gonna say, but I was, oh, yeah,
along with that, I was just saying about x Men animated series like Forge.
I feel like Forges in this game too, but he's not like a
playable character. He's in there as like an NPC type. That's where I
feel like Bishop could be used for yeah, some story purpose, but I
don't necessarily need to play as him. I was gonna pitch Forge. Actually,
I feel like as a support role could be very interesting, like Buffy
and his allies, like giving them just like I know he's not a Blacksmith,
but like something along those lines could be really interesting. Put Forge in
there, but not Xavier. This is I was gonna pitch it. I
was gonna pitch it. I'm not saying I'm not gonna I'm gonna die on
that hill or anything, but just an interesting character that would be like a
very different move set I think, but like like a strict support type character.
But that's okay. I like the idea. I like the idea,
but not sold on it yet. What are moving on? Juggernaut has been
in a couple of these games. Once again, I want him in there,
but I think I maybe put him in Contenders for now, just until
we talk about some more. We're already at nineteen, but we're getting the
big time x Men's how many tank people we said no Toe, Saber Tooth,
We got Beast and who else? Like unaut Juggernaut though, is like
if he isn't like one of the hardest characters to kill. I feel like
it's not truly Juggernaut. So for that reason, I just see him as
like a big boss battle. I did not feel like that with Fanos or
Doctor Dooman. You could unlock them and marble on the line street like you
shouldn't be able to kill Fanos, but you can't like just gonna run through
and just like kill everyone, Like that's what its up. It is that
it literally like if you get a buff on it of course, and like
Nana, but that is one where you run through. Like to me,
he's fun. It's like the equivalent if you have Avengers and you have the
Hulk. That's what he's the equivalent of. Like, yeah, beasts can
be a tank, but he's not odd tank. When Spider Man you get
Venom. There's no big tank tank character we have yet. And that's discarding
villains because we haven't talked about villains yet because I know there's like the Big
Egg will probably be in there. But still I just feel like Juggernaut to
me, he's been Legends, he's been an Alton Alliance. I feel like
that would be apt for him to be in this game. And he's Charles's
brother you know, to get Charles in there, do those combo moves.
Just get armor in there if you want to tank and h I like that
pick bone Breaker as well too, you know. Yeah, I mean,
don't get me wrong, Travers, I'm I'm leaning towards like wanting him in,
but I'm I to me, I can't lock it right off the bat
x X on the Juggernaut. He's going two minutes to pitch another big giant
character, Like, what what about Sasquash? Yeah, Toad. I think
Toad would be fun for the move set, but I just don't think there's
a room for him this time around, is my perspective on that one.
I don't think. So He's on my later list just to he could be
the first character in the fringe category. What about what about Angel? Yes,
you could have arch Angel like Angels on my list. Hmm. I
just feel like the costumes, the wing powers you have in these games where
it's either the flying or like the webbing, you have those characters at the
whole triangle and they go up a little like to me, Angel, because
I don't think he's been in any of these games, that would be a
muss. I'm kind of surprised because he's been in many iterations Poplar X men.
He's very popular when you make him the Horseman version, and you gotta
have that caution the game. So to me, Angel is a that that
would have been an install lock for me. The only thing holding me back
on it is I think I imagine his ross or his move set rather would
be rather similar to Falcons and Altimate Lions three. And he's not one of
my favorites. M but we don't have anyone like that yet, and we
could refine you're true, you're not wrong, You're not wrong. This could
be the you guys are both on the lock tier. For him, it
sounds like I'm long. Yeah, I think that you're right, Dylan,
that that could be the character. Go oh man, you end up sucking.
But I just feel like even just look wise those costumes that you yeah,
horse version, Yeah, I definitely want the Archangel costume. Let's be
honest. That's half, not half of that's at least twenty five percent of
why we love those games as Oh, what are the bonus costumes? I
think about Alton the Lions one of having four, you put Angel in there
just so you can have the Apocalypse costume stuff like just didn't get those outfits,
so absolutely okay. And then just finishing off the X Men Legends two
roster, Cannonball, I mean, fuck Canniball after the show. I don't
want I don't want them in here. No cannon Ball, Sorry to the
Canniball fans. Okay, X Men, we talked about him, but I
don't think he's gonna make it here. And then we've talked about all these
ever iron Man. Iron Man is not gonna make it in our locked I
think. So there you go. We've gone through the roster of the first
two games. So yeah, Travis, who do you got yours as your
next next pitch here? And you know, if you want to set this
pitch up, you can set up with like a storyline or a level,
or like a villain or how they integrate. You can you can set up
however you want. It wasn't a pitch as far as I don't even know.
This is more a throat because not the one that I would want,
but just because she's gone more pop in the past few years. And if
you didn't because to me, it's my argument against mystique. But like I
thought about someone like Domino. Would that be someone that'd be because I feel
like they would if they're doing an Alliance game, you probably would have multiple
like mystique. And again, this isn't gonna pitch for me saying oh I
would lock her, I'm thrown out there, Like what do you guys think
about Domino the luck powers? Even you know, I know I was thinking
about pitching her. You could do something like just certain attacks like a percentage
just miss her or something like you could definitely play with that luck stat in
like a dodge sense or maybe just more critical hit or something critical hits.
Yeah, Like, oh yeah you could. But at the end of the
day, she would very much fit into that mercenary play style where you just
have like guns and grenades and stuff, which is fine. Like, I
think it's definitely to have a character like that on this roster. We were
pretty hesitant to get Deadpool on there, but because she is very unique and
I feel like if they do really hit with that luckstat, I think that
could make the character like one of the best characters in the game. But
it's tricky to make that balanced as well as unique. Yeah, for me,
I think I think i'd prefer mystique in that slot in my in my
opinion of like the female kind of like femtale like assassin type character, like
a like the Black Widow pick from Ultimate Alliance something like that. I think
I'd prefer to have a mistique in there for the relevance of the character and
that she hasn't been in one of these before. I mean, Domino's never
been in them before either. I think if I maybe had more perspective of
Domino other than just like what she's like in Deadpool too. But yeah,
I think there is some cool ideas there for turning her luck into like that
is a very video gamey type of thing, and you could make that happen.
But yeah, I'm definitely She's definitely on a lock for me. Should
be a contender, though I think the same. I got another pitch,
go for it. What about another tank character, someone that was incredibly op
and Marvel snapp recently we got the Blob pure tank. See, he did
it, he literally did it. His first pick. He said no to
Juggernaut and his first pick is a villain Juggernaut. I don't think it's like
when I think of a main boss battle, I'm not thinking of the Blob,
I'm thinking of someone like the Juggernaut. Just I don't know. I
don't know why my brain looks that way, but that's just it just seems
like a totally different category. But I don't know. Maybe Dylan maybe is
impartial. So I think I think Blob could have a fun move set.
I think for me, he has like the Ridley and Smash Bros. Problem
where I think he's too big to fit in like the realm of like how
big these characters should be relative to each other, and you know in these
games, some characters are like naturally bigger than others. Blob I think has
to be massive, and I think if you shrink them down to be on
that little like circle that your player your player selector thing is on, I
don't think it would work. And for me, he'd be a very fun
boss fight where he's bouncing shots off, he's flinging you back, he's rolling
around like he makes a perfect boss fight, and I definitely want him in
the game, but I don't. I don't. I think I much prefer
Juggernaut. If if we're looking at those two as like comparable kind of power
types. That's why Travis you. You are just a noo strongly against no
Blob. No Juggernaut's getting to know no Blob. I can see the pitch
no no, no, I can see the pitchok game of Steak versus Domino,
you know, but like Blobs, Juggernaut, no jug like I just
Juggernaut. I think, is BLOB's like good for a lego one? I
think for this one? No, I need Juggie in there. So,
uh, what do you guys think about? This character has been more relevant
recently, probably would have been a deep cut before Deadpool, but negasonic teenage
warhead exploding type character. Yeah, I just wonder. It's like, is
there enough to make that character interesting the sense of playing as at all time?
And I feel like there's two versions of a yes and a version of
not at all. So I'm I'm mixed on that one. I I'm gonna
give it a lock, oh super hard solid lock. But I feel like
I would I would it would. I feel like I would pass it right
here, just because the explosive aspect, Like we do have characters with blasts
or range attacks, but I feel like hers would be a lot more like
it feels like a close proximity explosion sort of thing, and like maybe just
she could have. I feel like, I feel like I can picture some
really wonderful combos with her attacks too, like a couple of lights into like
a big the like explosion that has a larger range. And it's just a
character that really hasn't been in anything like too much other than at least for
me, like Deadpool. So I feel like I would love to see her
inclusion into there you know you got you got a fresh face, as well
as some cool moves that I don't think too many characters really replicate, even
though we do have ranged and other blasters, I feel like hers is different.
Yeah, Like I think her move set would be quite different from the
Sun sun Spot character, for example, in terms of fire types. For
example, like another different range she could do have like attack where she like
jumps in the air and like crash it into the ground like shoots out a
bunch of debris. She could have like a one where she like runs and
rams into people and kind of explodes explodes on the spot. Her fists could
be like little explosions or something. So I think I think it could make
for a fun move set. So it sounds like between the three of us,
she'd probably said as a contender right now, But I think it'd be
a fun pick, especially post post Deadpool. She's cool cardon Marvel Snap too,
So show us to that, Travis, you got another one you want
to picture? You said you want some kookie characters. I feel like,
let's throw on Dazzler, a character whose powers are they can sing. I
feel like that could be lots of fun. That would be a character that
would get announced like, oh, really Dazzler, but then would be like
a low key like, oh, actually, she's pretty fun, like all
the all the attacks are you can just do the singing and stuff. So
that sits it right there. I think her fun special tacks be good combo
tax outfits. So I feel like Dazzler would be a low key favorite character.
So yeah, and I think it's just like if we're looking for new
blood in there. Hopefully Tay Swift is playing her in the movie. That
could help get that profile voice the game of forus paying that that's original music.
Yeah, but no, I just think Tumble because like someone like Toad's
like, yeah, that could be a fun, kooky character. He's been
in. I know he's on the bench but I was trying to think of
other ones, and to me, Dazzler that's one where I thing, Okay,
we could have some you could have some fun with that, and that
would be one where it's like when we talk, oh there's like Bishop and
Cable and blobbing Juggernart's like Dazzer's dazz Or. Of course it's gonna be similar
to like mine projectile and stuff, but the design that character you're not gonna
have like, oh, here's the other singing character. So yeah, again,
could also have the opportunity just to suck ass, but I would want
to see them try, so Dazzer would be my next pitch. I would
definitely back Dazzler. I feel like for me to picture her her play style,
it'd be a very heavy support character. I don't really know how she
works in the comics or and like we just saw her looking up with Scott
in the animated series, so kind of limited in her her powers there.
But uh, you know, playing MOBA's especially some of like Legal Legends,
there's like multiple support characters that are literally just singers. They just boost their
team, and I just definitely have seen that translate well and like great stunts
like CC on other other characters like with you said, with just her singing
just enthralls people to like, I don't know, I don't know what,
but that's just what I'm picturing. So for that reason, I would definitely
back here. Yeah. I mean, my favorite character in All the Liance
Too is a great songbird, and I feel like, I think this is
a very similar type of move set, So I think this would be very
fun. And I'm absolutely down on the walk training for that. So it
sounds like Dazzler officially making an inswer. Congratulations to Dazzler. Where do we
want to go next? How about? Okay, here's here's a pitch for
you guys. I don't know how that's gonna go. But I was looking
through some of the locations and levels from the first two X Men Legends games,
so of course there's like, you know, you got the more locked
tunnels, you got Mewor Island, you got Asteroid m astral Plane, some
of these types of areas. But you know where we've never been before is
the Savage Land. I desperately somewhere else. I desperately want a level in
the Savage Land. And if you're gonna go there, you need at least
one character playable from that zone. So I kind of have two two pitches
here. One is sore on I knew you're going sorrow and the green fucking
tared Actyl guy. Or I was thinking Kazar and Zabu would be a really
fun kind of how Grout and Rocket are combined character open lines three. I
think it'd be the same thing where you have Kazar and he would like send
out Zabu as like a to go attack people or something, or he could
ride on Zabu as well. I think it'd be a fun combo character.
So what do you guys think about those two picks? Hell, yeah,
for Kasar and Sabi whatever, I always fuck of his name, But then
not a chance for sorrow. I feel like that's a fun can be as
fight. Then are you okay? Yeah, sure, he'd be a boss
battle. I think that'd be cool if like he's flying out a time your
tax. But no, I just don't. I don't think there's enough,
especially because half the stuff is like he's mind controlling and no, I think
he's a good boss battles. No for him, Yes for the other.
Yeah, the other'd be a lot because that fits him more too, if
like, if anyone wants some more brawler characters, you can kind of fit
that in a little bit too. So I'm a hard lock on Kazar and
Zabu. I like what you pitch. They're very like I feel like,
I don't want to say forgotten character, but like probably for the main people
for sure. Yeah, but especially just the dual character combo is always fun
and interesting, something very unique from other characters. It makes someone like Kazar,
who's just a dude that's jacked and like wears a loincloth, so much
more interesting by having oh yeah, you hear like a spear. You know,
you can give him some weapons and stuff too. With Sauron, I
feel like I could definitely see it inclusion in the game if anything, would
probably be a late thirties pick. So thirty five, thirty six character on
the ross. That's just where I picture his little image on my screen of
visualizing, because it's it's similar to what is it, Ripley from Smash Like
that's Ridley's sorry. So I feel like I could see it played and it's
just a beat him up game, especially if you have like the stunt effect.
Like I definitely see it being playable, but I don't know, it's
just it's more so a villain. I think right now for me visualizing that,
that's that's fair. I'll accept that. And you guys remember Garrock or
whatever his name is, the giant Rock guy from Extra Animated. He could
be another good boss fight. Not not one of our favorite episodes or characters,
but I think he'd be a fun boss fight in one of these types
of games. Yeah, who's gotten another one here? I was thinking about.
I don't really know exactly the move set, but I think it would
be another character that's just very different from everyone else. Is someone like multiple
men. May maybe you have like just different clones of yourself, like like
all like when you do attacks, like they basically mimic what you're doing,
and then they they can die like really easily by by other characters, but
it's it's kind of tanking them for you too. I don't know how many
multiple versions of yourself you can make. I think you could also do it
smaller scale of I don't know, like you just have one version of yourself
you can kind of combo and move with or something like that. But I
would love to see that implemented but it's just so tricky with with how many
like what's the limitations on how many versions you can have or how on a
Nintendo Switch, probably like three, but yeah Xbox or PlayStation like one hundred.
Like an RTS game essentially, that'd be great. You just get Maltiman,
who's your clan? That one's a lock for me because just because I'd
want to be like the Quicksilver thing of like, hey, show me what
you got, like, let's see if this can work, and if it
doesn't then we know. But I think if you make it work could be
very cool. Maybe those multiplemen just bust out of the shields, you can
use them for the finish. It could just be stuff like when you go
to punch, you get like multiple like hands coming out and stuff. So
that for me is a lot just for the versatility of it. I don't
think it would ever happen, but for me of what I would want to
see, Yes, I I really like to pick too. I think it's
fun and I am yeah, I'm also struggling to picture the move set exactly,
but I think to some extent that is a good thing for a game
like this, right, and it's good to not have such an obvious move
set and instead to see what kind of crazy creative stuff they come up with.
I would want to maybe put them in contender right now for me personally.
So Kirkland, you pitched him, but you stunded the Navy on so
so, so if you're feeling towards the Locks side, then we might as
well just lock them. But I again, it comes down to the picturing
of the powers I think for right now. So I'm I'm I'm okay with
just putting them on the bench right now in the contender slot. Just I
don't know. I just feel like there might be some other ones that pop
up, and I feel a lout stronger with the locks. Sounds good,
Travis, you got another one. The only like I said, I don't
know if yoursire or not, but the only three that I have left are
pure villain, So this one's gonna be a wild pick. I. They
don't get shot down, but it's a classic X Men villain. You'd have
to do almost look at Dylan said with the Blob. But you know what
they got IRONMN in there, throw a set and in there. Now,
there have to be some storyline where it's like, oh, it's a mini
human one in Da Da Da. But I just feel like the setnels are
never in a position where you can play as them. They are such a
key thing to the X Men. So maybe they find one, they reroute
it, and again, does someone play like that an x Men? I
don't know, and I don't even know if I'm a strong lock on it,
and it's not one where I have to see, but I think there
could be something fun if you could give it even the height of like a
Venom or Hulk and have it as a bigger tank your character in some sort
of because at first I thought Master Mold, but no too big Master,
Yeah, he's got to be big. So that was my pitch and like,
that's right, I wond or two if not they would they'd ever go
back to the old games. But like I said, like oh they did
iron Man. It's like, oh, well, it's an iron Man equivalent
character in there. So that's my kind of last off the wall pick I
have too, So I like weird picks, and so I like, you're
coming up with some freaky ones here. And I didn't think about it.
I didn't even write it on my list, and I wrote tons and tons
of characters. But I but I like it. I the more I think
about it, the more I I kind of want to see it. Yeah,
it might be weird to have like a mini Sentinel because especially once again
just playing X Men or Ultimate Lines three yesterday, like the Sentinels are freaking
huge in that game that you battle, and there's even like a bigger,
one massive one, you know, but I think they're a freaking robot.
They're made in no labs. You can just make a smaller one, Like
it's more believable than like a small blob to me. So hey, that's
the finish. They get big and you just see a big foot come in
and stomp an enemy area and then he goes back to his small size or
something. And yeah, that could be like a really fun part of the
move set where there's like an endless part to where you could just send one
in as like a suicide bomber essentially and then you just like get a new
one that spawns in for you. Or they could be like modulating their arms
in some ways to get different attachments and stuff and characters like I can't believe
we're teaming with this set, you know, like you can have all those
like hating on this one thing, and yeah, like one of Wolverine's power
moves could be just like sniping one of their heads off and like using it
as like a basketball like smash some opponent from afar. I think that could
be really fun. I was super hard against it until you guy started talking
about the move sets and stuff, and I think that's really fun. I
do want to try it because it reminds me there's Dragon Ball Z game that
had the cybermen in them, when we're basically just like little alien creatures that
would just like die and then you would just get like a shit ton of
them. Like that would be like the difference from the main characters that like
the strength in numbers is more so, but like, how do you implement
that in just a single unit? And I feel like what you said to
have like just the suicide bomber that goes in and then executes and then you
just spawned on another one in or whatever it is. So I think I'm
with you, guys. I think I think I like how different it is.
I like how I switched completely one ad because as soon as Travis was
pitching it, when you're like still talking I'm like, as soon as he
stops talking, I'm just gonna shoo him down. There's nothing but you won
me over. It's a good job over. And if you pick no one
would be expecting and it would be that pick that everyone be pissed about and
then hopefully it's good be like, okay it was. That would have been
like a Lake game like Secret Unlock too, you have to do some crazy
weird challenge level to the game under three hours. I've always loved Havoc as
a character, or at least his powers. I think are just cool and
fun and I think they would make for a pretty solid X Men roster.
I think he has a really cool look too, so I just like to
see his different costumes and whatnot. I don't really know anything about the guy
in terms of character, personality, story. Well there you go. There,
that's a that's a that's an in rate there. But yeah, I
think Havoc is is really interesting. Now, maybe maybe he is, now
that you mentioned Cyclops, maybe he's a little too similar to that kind of
move set in terms of shooting beams out. But I think he's got a
distinct different sort of look. How do you guys feel about Havoc he does
in the powers. I'm right now on a contender. I'm not an insult,
but I'm not an instant shoot away. I think you just have to
find a way to make sure it is different than Claus. But the good
thing is like he's always shooting it from his body and you can do different
projectiles and stuff. So I'm a contender on him. That's where I am
middle ground. I'd be contender as well right now. I could be swayed,
but not yet. Yeah, I gotta see the lineup. That's now
the question now, like, Okay, who's he up again? Because if
there's a characters that have different powers, that's where I might lean to h
I might want this type of character where Cyclops you could just incorporate some Havocs
moves there. Right, So yeah, yeah, we're right now at twenty
three characters locked and then we have fifteen in the contenders category, so we're
yeah, we have a good amount. But yeah, let's let's get the
rest of them in there that are contenders and whatnot. So what else you
got, Kirklen? Did we What was our decision on next twenty three?
Laura, she's a contender right now. Okay, I was just thinking of
some more logan sort of centered characters. I feel like, because he's such
a main character of the roster, you could definitely have like a good chapter
of the game, not like the whole game, but like just a chapter
like level focusing on more of his something related to him a character. So
I'm gonna pitch too here. I feel like one could get shot down really
right, like just really quickly. Maybe it's similar to Travis's aspect, but
really cool look always gets done dirty and every single version that I've seen this
character in, but I would love to just see them on the Ross because
it looks very different. I'm gonna pitch silver Samurai. Oh okay, it
is a villain, I understand that, but like just very I feel like
the Samurai look is just so appealing, especially when you just silver them up.
You can make those those colors contrasts just really pop on a on a
game where you just have a bunch of different characters fighting, I feel like
it would stand out really well. Obviously, the sword speaks for itself,
but you could also like what other powers does he have? You can kind
of you can kind of like go invisible or like disappear right, like that
happened a couple of times. Not region powers, but something similar with a
suit that he's absorbing thing. He is one of those where it's like fifteen
different powers of all variations of stuff. So probably high stamina, you know.
Yeah, what was the second one? Second one I have is Lady
death Strike. Yeah, very specific like her look from the animated series.
I think it's just it's it looks so different, even though she has like
adamantium clause it, she just seems so different than a character like Logan or
even Laura because of that look. Again, like it would be I guess
she is a villain as well, but like it would be tied to kind
of that chapter. I maybe that's real unlock her, but center around Logan
and just that aspect. But yeah, I don't know. She's she's kind
of snubbed when it comes to other games, like she's never made an appearance
to my knowledge, but it seems like a good DPS female character fem fatale
I really like to pick. I would go Death Strike over Samurai for me
personally, but I also think i'd go at twenty three and Sabertooth before her
and those are contenders right now. I just I just don't know if we
have enough room for for all these characters, but definitely as a boss fight
for her Samurai, I just don't think there's room for it. But I
think it would be fun to have him in there as well. Fair enough,
I'm a I'm the other way around, A lock on Samurai. What
push death Strike to this side just because the other two? Just because Silver
Samurai again would be I think some of the Sentinels where it's just would be
Anne Dazzer like a very distinct character. You could almost make him tanky.
Look, he also has a teleportation ring, so you can tap into some
of those Nightcrawler things. So I guess for me because there's a lot of
X Men villains, but as I was making this list, like I know
he might come up, but I'll just say him here like mister Sinister,
for me, it's not someone i'd want because like for me, he's not
like a fighting character, and the X Men have like a lot of those
type of villains like Sebastian Shaw or like Cassandra Nova, like Xavier's sister has
teleportation or you know, Telekenesis. It's like they have a lot of great
villains or like Mojo right where it's like he's great, but like I couldn't
see him. We're Silver Samurai has won the few villains I could see.
I could see Lady Deft Strike, but I'm like Dylan where I'd prefer saber
Tooth or I'd prefer X twenty three or Silver Samara. Silver Samurai would be
unique and it would be a villain that's actually a fighter. So that's where
I am on that one. So I'm not sure if that makes some contender,
but I would be down for Silver Samurai right probably just pop put them
all on the contender list right now. I feel like since you first pitched
him as well, someone like saber Tooth has actually grown up a lot on
me. He's grown on my list of higher contenders just because it is a
very iconic character. And although I said like it kind of reminds me of
just a similar brawler, I think there's nothing wrong with that, and he
definitely could play. He could probably be beefier and like chunkier than someone like
Logan. Maybe not his nimble, but hit harder. I know we're kind
of talking about the other characters, but just just trying to spit out where
my priorities and focus are on some of these characters that we talked about already.
Yeah, Travis, I think you had one more uson. I well,
I guess too, But did we did we put contender for Omega Red
because that was just one of two. So if you okay for me,
it's like, if we're all locked on a Mega yeah this is our dream
game, then Omega Red. Those tentacles, the look everything, and even
if you have DLC, you could do a weapon X pack right, like
a weapon x DALC where you get him saber two floor whoever. Right.
The other one I think is the obvious one that I think would be a
lot, but maybe I'm wrong. It's the fanals of the X Men Apocalypse.
I feel like everybody would be just the same way. All the build
up to Ultimate Alliance three, We're like, man, I just hope they
make fantals playable. I hope make fantas playable. I think apococalyipse would have
that same uproar from the crowd of like, oh, this could be our
chance to play as Apocalypse. So and a good thing with him, with
him getting different sizes, he can be down to the size of the X
Men. So so I think lots of big power sets. He's another tank
character. He has other just like projectiles and stuff. I think, like
just think Fanos in m U A three, That's what I'd want Apocalypse here,
So that's my last one. But for me, I think he's install
loc. You gotta put him in there. I think you got it.
I think you gotta put him in there as well as and you would really
have to deliver with how Thanos or Magneto or Doom felt like in Ultimate Alliance,
like how they felt just so powerful. I feel like you really have
to deliver with a character like that. Yeah, I mean I think him
enhancing your other characters' powers too, Like not only does he have a strong
move set, but if you have him in your group before get Yeah,
he gives everyone a new ability that might be too much ask but even just
like boosted stats like additional effects, is Ultimate just changes like a like an
Apocalypse version, like a Horseman version of all the so cool. I don't
know if you could do because if you have thirty six, but I wouldn't
see that the realm possibility if you had Apocalypse in the Game of a Villain
if everyone had like a variant skin Apocalypse Horsemen color right, Like you don't
want to go full like the way Angels a big makeover, You don't got
to do that, but you could easily make every character have some minor costume
like that, or even for like a handful of them, and then like
whenever you unlock him in some specific mission, like you have a set roster
of characters that all kind of get enhanced in that moment, so it kind
of shows shows it off in some way. Think about what random costumes though,
Marvel Alton lines three head near the end when we were doing like the
Infinity rounds whatever they called were where you would like fight people and people they
didn't have you can customize the color, right, was there something like that?
Or an Ultimates three, like each character had one separate costume and then
they had a separate color swap for their default costume in their second one,
but you couldn't change like the custom color. It was just one. Like
if they did that, why didn't they just have like ten for each if
they were just gonna be a color change. But they can even do that
where there's an apocalypse color right, and you throw on that boost and then
everyone gets that black and purple, the blue and purple, and then boom
your apocalypse Horseman night. You know, mm hmmm hm cool. Uh sorry,
Kirkland, you agreed with the lock on apocalypse? Yeah? Oh yeah,
definitely lock him in there. Kirkland, did you have other any others
on your list here? Uh? I think mine are mostly just quick fire,
and then I have a couple that I might pitch. At this point,
I hit a couple that I thought were probably weak, but I wanted
to mention them. Uh. You know, this is our dream roster.
We're Canadian. I was thinking about the leader of Alpha Flight. We got
Guardian in there with the great maple Leaf. His powers are pretty meek.
They just come from his his suit. From what I've I was looking up.
Uh, you know in hand Speed Strength D The look is just so
it's so great that I wanted to be fun to battle them. I I
thought about Alpha Flight and I was like, I I'd rather have Polaris and
I think she's cool or Sasquatch like two. I don't even think sasquatches like
for people like we've put on the roster. I think Sasquatch could have a
chance if it's a real and they were getting broad to have another beefy character,
but he's the one I think that would make it, and I think
it's the only one that i'd bet get into. So yeah. The other
one that I was meant or thinking of is someone like Cloak. I think
it was the character. Was that the one that was in the Morlocks where
they could like teleport, like I can't remember, Yeah, they can teleport?
Yeah, and but was it were they the Morlocks? I don't think
that's the same character though, Okay, right, I was thinking of a
character that can like teleport people. I know Cloak can do that. Well
that yeah, Marvel Snap. Yeah, I don't think it's this exact same
one. But yeah, there's a Coke and day or and then Yeah,
I was trying to think of a character like that. Like, we do
have a lot of teleports already, so it kind of sunk to the bottom
of my list, but it was still someone I was wanting to mention.
I'll bring this up. Then I have another teleporter. There's a character I
only know from one film, but I thought she was so fucking cool and
Days of Future Past is Blink. Oh, I don't even know what her
powers are. I think she's just teleporter, like she opens the portals.
But I always thought she had like the coolest look. Definitely wanted her to
come back at some point. She's not come back. She only had like
that small role. Never seen her in any other game or anything ever.
But I think Blink is super cool. So I don't know she could make
She could make sense as like a story one of like explaining how you get
to and from certain locations. But if it was my personal thirty six,
she would make my thirty six. Yeah, I don't think so for me.
I just don't know what she could do with her like that'd be that'd
be tough. That's a tough one. Yeah. I think like her main
thing too, is like too similar to some other powers that we've that we
have for characters. Obviously it's you know, the Bandfiinge from from Night Crawler,
and then like if we were gonna do well, we have magic on
the list, but like similar type of teleportation effect might be too similar there,
But good shout out because I completely forgot about that character actually, and
I thought she was really cool on the Days of Future passes really well.
Definitely forgettable. Yeah, uh Kirkham, Sorry, do you have any other
any other last show? Uh? No, I think we think we got
all the main ones. Yeah, I think. Okay, here's my like
super super deep cut. I can't even remember his name from X Men Animated.
It wasn't that sequence when Psychlops is like flying his playing he's like on
his own and he like crashes in like the desert randomly, and you remember,
like goes in that society of random people and there's like the beaver guy
or something that shoots him down. Do you guys remember that episode? There
was a one guy in that episode who was like a rock dude and he
had like a little mini rock dude and he would like throw the little rock
dude out, and like, I want that freaking guy. I could not
find his name by googling all sorts of crazy stuff, but I love that
guy. He was so cool. I can't I can't give you that one.
I don't even know his name. So I wrote rock back guy.
Yeah, maybe what's what the name? Meet me? Oh no, that's
the other one, Cork corek Maybe you'll go get Cork and Ultimate lines four
and be similar to that. Yeah, that's okay. What Deadpool to Shatterstar?
Is that one guy who's coming up in in Dedverlle like Deadpool and Wolverine
or Zeitgeist is Bill Scarsguard's character. You guys think about them, I'd say
no to both Shadows. Star could have a maybe chance, but i'd say
no to both of those guys. Maybe maybe kind of similar to Toad right
in terms of power stuff. Yeah, i'd say maybe translucent that could be
fun. Mm hmmm hmm. Yeah, Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt, Yeah,
mister Invisible or Vanisher Vanisher Vanish, Yeah, I was, I was
thinking about the cosmic round, but I don't. I didn't love that area
of the X Men animates so much. But like a little Laundra or Corsair,
I think if anyone the launder would be interesting, but I don't.
I don't think I need picking Corsair. No one's picking even course, there
two of the Morlocks that I really loved in the show where I didn't even
know this was her name. Tammy is her name. She was like that
paper thin girl that would like she had like the interesting like white pink and
like yellow sort of color and she would she could like turn two dimensional essentially,
like that could be an interesting move set. I thought she'd be cool.
Or I think his name is mask. I was trying to find this,
But he's like the guy who would like transform into like a giant donut
or transformed all these like random shapes. You remember that guy would always be
in the Morlocks. You love that guy. Yeah, they were. They
were very fun. They were very fun. But I don't even know their
names for certain, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna shout them out.
Banshee. We have Dazzler. I think he kinda you know, it's kind
of represented there morph. I was wondering if anyone's gonna met even bring him
up. No, but I want him be in the game. Put him
in the game but not playable die level mission one. Is that the space
for him? I think it's so similar to how I was pitching the mystique
move sets for that character. I think I like mystique more of a character,
So if we're gonna have a shape shifter, it would be mystique for
me. But like the shout out, I also like I definitely I desperately
want a Mojo vision section. In this game a level, so I was
thinking, like it should long Shot be a character as like the character Unlock
in that level. But ultimately it's like you don't need long Shot, Like
you could just put them into crazy scenarios, funny like alternate worlds and then
have Mojo as the boss. But like, I don't. I'm not gonna
make love as much as I love like character, I'm not gonna make a
case for him playable. So those can be a couple of shout outs.
And then Travis mentioned this character and not I want him on the list.
I really want mister Sinister on this list. I think he would be super
fun, different like beam type powers, the way he like just recombines himself
when he's taken out, weird gene splice and things that he's got going on.
I don't know, I think he could be. I think could be
a fun character at the very least in there is a villain and you fight
the dirty boys or the nasty boys whatever they're called boys, that would be
a fun sequence. But I think he would be a really fun villain on
Lock And looking at our lists, like I don't think we have I guess
we have a few villains now, so we don't necessarily need another one on
the list, but I I would really like to see a mister Sinistor makeing.
I really like the pick. The cloning aspect is obviously something that I
do find interesting. With my pitch of like multiple Man, I feel like
Sinister would probably because it doesn't like Multiple Man in my mind, is like
a lot bigger scale of clones. Mister Sinister could be, you know,
maybe in that three max or whatever it might be that the Intendo switch allows.
But also just like his move set, I feel like no matter what
it could be, it would it would work for me. Like if he
is able to take out light mobs, which is some light attacks, it
would make sense just because he is, he looks dangerous and just those voice
lines would be great to just like have big combat when his little one liners
with the team, Like I just think it could be so great and just
a fun character to play, teaming up with Cyclops and Gene like that would
just be so funn oh yeah, yeah, Like if you guys feel that
strongly, I'm fine with locking him because I know other ex fans would be
happy with it. I just worry for your and this is a made up
world that it would be like your Wanda Dylan where you'd be like, oh
man, I was looking so forward to say. I just feel like that's
it's a tough character to crack, but I would be fine to lock him
because of just his legacy and I'm down for a lock cool. I love
that. Yeah, Okay, I think that's all the characters that we wanted
to consider, So we have that. We have that part of it built,
so now it's just about locking the final thirty six. So how about
we take our last break here, catch our breath, and then we will
close this list off. Okay, we are back for the last section of
this list, so let's bring it up on screen. Here. This is
our this is our short slash long list. Here's who we have right now
locked. We have Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Colossus,
Gambit, Jean Gray, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Jubilee, Cable, Scarletwitch,
Quicksilver, Magic, Magneto, Kittie, Pride, Sunspot, Silock,
Angel, Dazzler, Kasarn Zabu As one Character, Sentinel, Omega, Red
Apocalypse, and Mister Sinister. So that puts us at twenty twenty six characters.
I guess, yeah, twenty six, so we have ten more.
We have ten more slots from our contenders. Do one of you want to
read off this list of contenders that we have here, Dark Phoenix say we're
tooth X twenty three, Deadpool, Professor x Mystique, Emma Frost, Pyro,
Bishop Forge, Juggernaut, Domino, Negas, Sonic, Teenage Warhead,
multiple Men, have a Lady Dastrich and Silver Samurai for contenders. That's seventeen.
So if we want to look at it that way, we just have
to cut seven of those and then we have it. We have a list.
Unless there have any odd ball picks that sneak in there. If this
game was announced like tomorrow, which is the roster that we have, there's
those twenty six, I would just I would blow my mind like that is
would be such a hype list right there. Gys aren Zebu is one you
guys. I don't know if we're starting with locks or whatever, but let's
just find out where he is for me. You look at this list.
We have kaz Aar on there, we have Sentinel, we have this list
and Xavier Professor Xavier the Leader Excellent is not gonna be on here you can.
And if we got Sinister, we got Quicksilver, we have Dazz or
other characters who've been like, oh, how could you do? This would
be tricky Xavier, who's been in a game already, Like I feel like
now when we've reached the not the bottom, but some of these characters,
I feel like Xavier should get a spot on that final list. There we
make a trade. Can we make a trade? What's the trade? I
was just gonna say, I hear you, But there's still like, looking
at those lists right now, I feel like there's so many contenders that are
like, wow, I'm surprised we actually don't have them on that locklist already.
And Charles isn't one of them yet. Maybe he will be number one.
I mean I would have to make a rank list. But my I
was thinking, if you, if you would cut Bishop, I would put
Professor X up. I don't want to do it for free, but that
would be my trade is if you're okay to drop Bishop, I would cut
Bishop for acts. Yes, I would. I mean I can't do it
on my own, allow it. I would allow that. Sorryshop, you're
officially gone, and Professor ax is officially moved up boom. It's good to
see six more. I think at this point I would rather have more unique
characters than having Dark Phoenix and Jean Gray. I agree, Yeah, sure,
yeah, I'll agree, So we'll kick Dark Phoenix will say that you
know her move set's incorporated in Jing Gray in some way. Maybe you can
do like a Zelda thing. We're you can switch between the two minutes.
Yeah, cool, something like that, Like you said, Kirkling, like
binary mode, just do Phoenix floding mm hmm, okay. A new and
unique character that I really am fighting for here, Nega Sonic teenage warhead.
I feel like she has such a place on this main roster, A new
ish character that really hasn't seen the light of day too much. And like
just just the effects, I feel like I can already visualize them, kind
of what you like that big one that you pitched Dylan of just like the
big jump up with the explosion, Like it's just some great AOI attacks as
well as some light, smaller blast attacks. Great name could be could be
an interesting mechanic too, of like if you choose to do your explode,
it like takes away some of your HP, so you kind of have to
like, use it skillfully, tactically at the right time. I builder HP
up back in some other way. Sure, there's there's so Yeah, you
guys are more hyped on her than I am. But there's enough cool things
where I'm nice. My trade for for Travis, and he didn't say that.
Charles doesn't count. I liked your idea for Forge Kirkling, but I'm
thinking I'm thinking he's getting the boot. Yeah, he's a boot for me.
Stuck in the future. Yeah, the game. He's not playable though,
legends for the Days of Future past DLC. He can be with Bishop
and Bishop. Yeah, there you go exactly, Bishop's sister whatever. Oh
yeah, hell Hanica, Yeah yeah, that's so funny, Harmonica. Okay,
so now we're at twenty eight, so we have eight more. Wow,
this is a really I think I'm okay to kick Pyro. We got
Sunspot, you guys, I'm fine with that. Travis, you you mentioned
earlier, you know, get two or none, and we have Charles.
What about Emma Frost. I think she's in there. I think she's very
compared to Charles. Yeah, Diamonds forever. Yeah, I was for them
both always. I love them both, you know, make them different.
Good stuff, Juggie. How we feeling on Juggie, you know about I
feel about that Juggernaut. You know, like, how many tanks do we
really got? Told this before we got Beast, we got a paw collapse
and Colossus. We got three and also thirty six just three, like this's
teams and we have his brother already on there. So you know you want
Charles and uh, jugg you having to do some like Calmo moves like Charles,
Yeah, and just kills them though, kills Charles mid throw. That
that that's the one I think I want the most out of these ones.
He's a guy that's been in both Marl Walton Elliance and X Men Legends.
He's a bit of a legacy pick, but I guess I always liked run
around his Juggernaut. So that's that's my pick. I'm a pitch for.
That's your number one if you had I think so, Yeah, I think
so. He's any what character is a running power? Quicksilver would but his
is like speed, right, this is like destruction and he has a good
more of a stomp sort of thing. Yeah, deal damage around controller vibrates
with every breath. Yeah, he is he is fun and weird and ultimate
alliance too. I remember him from that. Yeah, but Kirkland's not on
the drug train. He's not on the drug train. Is anyone on the
Domino train. We can not strongly, not strongly that we can get rid
of her. Now lower than in the X Force, Yeah, XPORTDLC with
Shad Now he's a leather suit, black and gray. Okay, So we
are at twenty nine now, meaning we need seven more of these and this
is how many? This is nine? So we got a cut two.
I sound too bad. I pitched both of them Silver Samurai and Lady dast
Strike. I have Silver Samurai higher than Lady dusk Strike as well. It's
interesting because we already got Saber Tooth NX twenty three. I feel like we
I don't know if we could keep all three of those Animal rain that's a
lot of a knife three yeah, or I meant like in Contenders, like
if we have to, I like, is there a version of this where
we keep all four? I don't think so in my opinion, and that
strikes the lowest on that list for me. Have the two and I'm with
the Is she not more like interesting from a character perspective, like story wise
than who than Samurai. She's just a dad got killed and she blames Logan,
you know, like that's it, and she's just gonna have ah I
hate you, but we'll work together like ex Lovers too, Like that's interesting.
Get that saber tooth in him movie ex Lovers, They could change that
in this game. It's true. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. I
mean, if you guys are both locked on Samurai, then I guess,
and then I guess I'm okay to drop death Strike to make this happen.
Cut her out of there one more man. I got the controversial pick.
You're gonna say Deadpool. I mean, I got dead Full. I've said
before, we've bad enough Deadpool. No one's gonna miss it. No one's
gonna be like, oh man, Deadpool. Like that's the way I would
go I pitched him. I would I would say to cut multiple Man because
we we have sinister in there now, right, And that was that was
the cloning character that I was. I was, I think and like I
think, I fully haven't solidified on the move set for Multiple Man and how
that would be balanced. It's the trickiest character on there. I think to
kind of implement into a game. But you could just take the best of
Multiple Man and put that into a tier of Sinister, right, like what
you're gonna do for that character, and like one power set like the multiplization
like you do that with Sinister. So ye, I mean even like I
don't know what the mind tricks like m A. Frost or Xavier could do
something weird like that where there's like clones or fake people. Yes, Jane
can do that too. Yeah, so I think I think we should cut
multiple Men for for safety Deadpool yeah, which yeah, which means that saber
Tooth X twenty three, Deadpool, Mystique, Juggernaut, Havoc, and Silver
Samurai make which those are all really right, Those are all really cool picks.
Like I mean, obviously I was excited for Havoc. I'm Mystique's never
been playable in one of these games. I feel like this list would be
wrong without Deadpool on it and the X twenty three and Sabertooth in there,
Like yeah, that's sweet, really really cool, and again it gives like
those three are different Wolverine just the classic clause X twenty three at that foot
Claw. I feel like they could do tons of fun attack that and Saber
too. If you just make the tank your one and again Silver Samurai,
even if you're lower hype one dum. I just feel like if you get
that full roster list and building up, if you got the like, man,
what's this character gonna play? Like, like why did they include Silver
Samurai? And I think there could be some some again, he could also
be that low tier character where like, man, this guy sucks. He's
slow, he just has a sword. They didn't give him any other powers.
He's tanky, you know, but there's something just unique and plus,
like you said, we don't have that many films. How many films did
we end up having Mystique Magneto, Sinister Apocalypse, Samurai, Saber Tooth.
Yeah, so Omega d Sittinel. So that's where eight so eight, so
like almost like not that much of the roster is villains. So that's a
good. So if this game's announced and you see this roster, who you
guys saying like that's gonna be my first character that's filming amain as soon as
I unlock them, like I'm playing them first. You know there's a lot
there, But do you have someone in the top of your head. For
me, I feel like it'd be Omega Red just because it's like you're right,
that are Apocalypse, just because I don't think Apocalypse would end up be
my favorite, but I'd love to try it out. But you know what,
I'll auction mode Professor x there's a chance because he could be that character
of like oh man, he is super fucking open, Like he could be
that character. Remember when Taylor for some reason his ghost Rider and he was
always last. That could be Exavier, Like oh man, Tras is still
here like floating around as Xavier because an Examer he could have good ev aids
with that chair too. So yeah, xavierard like to I'd be curious because
that okay, what could they have done with him to make them playable here?
You know, Cube Rider Cube Charles, I would definitely be most excited
for. Yeah, someone who's never been in there before, like Kazar and
zeb who I honestly maybe one for me or like Kittie Pride I think as
well, would be one that would be super hyped for. And I could
see myself just being locked on her for like four hours in a row once
we finally unlocked her in the game. Quick Silver done well, could be
like, yes, cool, that would be just to see what it's like
for sure. Yeah. Another one that I think I would really really like
is magic as well. Just a big sword, slice them through, just
one liners, the Russian one liners. Yeah, I think that would be.
This is shaping up to be a great, great roster, a great
game looking at it right now. Yeah, I want right now, even
if you took half the roster, be like, hey, give me,
give me this stuff. You know, uh, Kirkland, why do you
do the honors? And read this list off one more time? All right?
On the top, we got Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Iceman,
Beast, Colossus, Gambit, Jean Gray, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Jubilee,
Cable, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Magic, Magneto, Kitty Pride, Sunspot,
Silock, Angel, Dazzler, Kazarn Zabu. One character. We got
the Sentinel, Omega, Red Apocalypse, Mister Sinister, Professor X, Negasnic
Teenage Warhead, Emma Frost, Sabertooth X twenty three, Deadpool, Mystique,
Juggernaut, Havoc, and Silver Samurai. Damn, what a list? What
a list? There you go, boys, This was very fun. Thank
you for joining me on this one. I always love nerding out on rosters
and whatnot. I'm glad we've done this now for Ultimate Lines multiple times.
Done it now for X Men. A good kickoff. Two X Men months
or two x Men months. I don't know how. I'm trying to think
the month of the month and the months of season season House of x you
know, so season it's somewhere between spring and summer. Is the season of
the hidden season. Yeah, thank you for joining me. Thank you everyone
for listening. Like I said, if you're an X Men, we go
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