1 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,559 And welcome back everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong with Molly Hemingley and 2 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,000 David Harsani. Just a reminder, if you like the show, please email 3 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,640 us at radio at the Federalist dot com. And if you enjoy the work 4 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,039 we do here at the Federalist, you can show your support by visiting our 5 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:34,079 website. And now we have a new page where you can anyone, right, 6 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,560 Molly can donate, Yeah to the site. Tell us a little about 7 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,479 that. Yeah, it's the Federalist dot com slash donate. And I want 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,679 to thank everyone who gave so generously last week. 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I guess they have a tradition of lighting a minora around Honikah. 18 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,120 I know, that's like the most important Jewish holiday. It's kidding, 19 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:47,120 But this year they decided not to because they felt that not being hostile to 20 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,959 Jews would give an impression that they were taking sides between Israel and It's and 21 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,200 Hamas. Is that correct? Well? Yeah, I mean there's this festival 22 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:02,760 here called the Second Sunday Festival. It's kind of like a holiday thing every 23 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:06,920 second Sunday. You know, people show up, a lot of tourists, 24 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,240 a lot of William and Mary students and professors, stuff like that, and 25 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,159 they take over a few city blocks and they use public public area to give 26 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:17,960 a concert in this and that. So every year, you know, the 27 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,360 you know, some kinds of stuff going on, and one of the things 28 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:27,000 is that Jabad here. I guess they light him an era. And when 29 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,360 they asked to do it this year, the organizer of the festival, whose 30 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,560 name is Shirley Vermilion I think, said that she was concerned a lot of 31 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,000 people were feeling like the festival was going to side with one side or the 32 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:42,439 other. Well, let me just take a step back and say, you 33 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:46,840 should definitely be siding not with Hamas in this little conflict here, and that 34 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:52,879 already is a problem. And she said no to them. And then she 35 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,719 also claimed supposedly that Christian groups had requested to have a little you know, 36 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:04,439 I don't know what's you know, lighting Christmas, you know, traditional Christmas 37 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,520 candle lightings, I don't know what, and that she had refused them as 38 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,280 well, which I think is a complete lie. The whole place is plastered 39 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,439 with Christmas, as it should be because it is the holiday season. But 40 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,800 then I learned later that she had actually told the Jewish group they could light 41 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:22,280 the candle if they put a big sign. I mean, I've been making 42 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,039 this up. Put a big sign up over the manora that says, you 43 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:30,520 know, under a big seas fire banner. So like what, Yeah. 44 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,960 So, first of all, the whole thing is collectively key, you know, 45 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,719 holding people responsible for things that have nothing to do with them. None 46 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:40,159 of these people are Israeli citizens. They're not in Israel, they're not making 47 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:47,159 decisions for the Israeli government. They didn't vote for Israeli politicians. And I 48 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:51,400 kind of do you know, would make the analogy that, you know, 49 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:53,080 it would be like having a Muslim fest, you know, some kind of 50 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:59,039 Muslim tradition being upheld there and then saying you know, you know, we 51 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:00,800 don't want to pick sides with you know, Hamas, or making them have 52 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,879 a sign that says, you know, we we condemn al Qaeda or something. 53 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,240 Of course, it's not a perfect analogy because Israel is on the right 54 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,800 side here, I think at least. But anyway, no, no, 55 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:15,719 this should be going on. And and so that was it was. It 56 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:17,759 was quite disappointing because this is actually I mean, I know a lot of 57 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:20,920 people have visited here and you know, visit here on vacation, but it's 58 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:26,199 actually a really nice place to live in a you know, really great community 59 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:30,720 here that values history and you know, it's just a beautiful place to live. 60 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:32,399 And it was, it was really disappointing. I wrote my first letter 61 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:35,079 I want you to know, Molly, to a local angry letter to a 62 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:40,160 local politician this morning, the first time. I'm like, I actually do 63 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,480 this for a living, you know, but I've never actually written a politician 64 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:45,279 a letter. Next thing, you know, I'm going to go vote, 65 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:47,680 but actually I should go vote against the mayor if he doesn't stop this. 66 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:53,920 Yes, you should vote. Oh my gosh, So what was Did it 67 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:58,920 just go over without notice in Williamsburg or did people speak out against it? 68 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,319 I don't, actually, I you know, I read I read the local 69 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:08,839 stories, and I don't there's other than the rabbi. I think that. 70 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:12,319 I think some business gave them a space to do it, you know. 71 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:15,800 But for me, the point isn't really that. The point is that you 72 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,319 have someone who takes over half the village, you know, the old colonial 73 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:23,680 village down there where people live, there's a library, there's all kinds of 74 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,680 stuff going on, and gets to use those you know, uses those streets 75 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,839 and so on, and that that person is excluding certain religions from participating in 76 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:36,279 it. I mean, I don't. I couldn't if this was if she 77 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:40,079 was doing this to Muslims, it would be a massive national story. It's 78 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,439 just it's just unconscionable that anyone would allow it, or that the government would 79 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:46,399 allow And I don't want to stop privacisms from doing what they want, but 80 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:53,360 they're taking over the public space and streets. So I didn't see much pushback 81 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:56,920 really, honestly, here, But who you know, who knows what's going 82 00:05:56,959 --> 00:06:00,600 on. We'll see if my letter to the mayor is answered anyway, But 83 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:04,279 thank you for bringing that up. I hope, I hope that people you 84 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:11,839 know, really pressure this group to change. What change to me? I 85 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,199 don't really even know, you know, at this point, I just think 86 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,000 the woman's an anti Semite and the board or anti Semite. So did you 87 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:26,839 see the protest in Philadelphia where a group of quote unquote pro Palestinian folks went 88 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:34,959 to a small business owned by an Israeli born restaurateur and then started chanting like 89 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:42,160 just because he's Jewish, started protesting him in Philadelphia. That was a little 90 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,879 scary. Yeah, it's gross. I mean it's just a mob showing up 91 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,279 in a business. The guy happens to be Israeli did and you know, 92 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,519 he has nothing to do with the con Again, these people, there's two 93 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,519 things here. One is you're on the wrong side in general. But the 94 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,439 second thing is these people have nothing to do tons of these pro tests. 95 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,680 They're always lashing out, or there's graffiti or vandalism at you know, or 96 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:12,480 protest aimed at Jewish people or Jewish institutions or temples or whatever. It just 97 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:18,360 shows you what a lot of this protest movement is actually about. Yeah, 98 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:24,199 it's pretty I think it seem scared. I wish that Jewish people would organize 99 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:26,839 and stand up to these bullies. But I have to say, it is 100 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:30,759 really disconcerting to see this happen in the United States. It's something honestly, 101 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,720 I never thought I would see, right I do you know, I strongly 102 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:41,319 believe that people have free speech rights and the right to protest, and so 103 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:46,399 I have also been a little bit worried about people acting like there is no 104 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:51,279 right to do this. At the same time, this is pretty horrifying. 105 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:59,800 It's not completely surprising given you know, two things. One the particular nature 106 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:05,040 of the immigration, like the demographics of what our immigration has been like in 107 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:11,160 recent decades. And then I would say, even more importantly, how our 108 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:18,600 society, beginning with academic institutions, have completely failed at the project of uniting 109 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:24,399 people around common ideas about what it means to be an American. That's a 110 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:31,000 really good point. I was way too optimistic about assimilation in this country with 111 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,320 certain you know. Let me put it this way. I wrote a book 112 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,240 recently, You're a Treasure, and I talk about the differences in assimilation here 113 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,000 in America, and I still think most of that is true. People assimilate 114 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,039 here better, especially economically people from the Middle East and so on. But 115 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,279 there's more than economics, as you like to point out, in the world. 116 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:52,360 And because we have no real civic education here, because the left actually 117 00:08:52,600 --> 00:09:00,240 is again, it sort of pushes back or undermines our ability to I do 118 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,399 assimilarly people into American ideals. This is what you have and this is actually 119 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,360 this is the result of it. Yeah. Sorry, I just realized we 120 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:15,240 do have civic education. We have assimilated people into a particular way of approaching 121 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:20,000 our country. These people have very much been assimilated into hatred of this country. 122 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:26,799 And it also has joined with the like non immigrant groups in that like 123 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,840 they're oh, yeah, it's not a failure of assimilation. It's like, 124 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:37,039 what are you being assimilated into. It's successful leftist assimilation, right, I 125 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,000 guess, or Marxist assimilation. Excuse me? Yeah, And I shouldn't say 126 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:48,480 I actually blame the American left mostly for this, not immigrants as much. 127 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,360 Like I was reading this biography because he just died of Henry Kis syndrome. 128 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,519 When he first came here. I think it was ten or twelve years old. 129 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,960 He went to school. He was immediately you know, learned English media. 130 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,159 He was thrown into you know, these classes that taught him about the 131 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,080 Constitution and everything else. And for whatever you think about him or don't, 132 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,639 he, I believe loved this country and understood why we existed. Where I 133 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:16,960 don't know that young people today actually know that. How many people do think 134 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,000 have read the Constitution? Not that long of a document. And yet there's 135 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:26,799 like this joke in the conservative judicial community that a good first step to being 136 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,559 a constitutional lawyer is to read the Constitution. It's something a lot of people 137 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,559 don't do. It's a lot of people don't care about. Do you think 138 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,480 it would matter? Like, let me give you a quick example. Everyone's 139 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,559 like, you, you know, we don't teach about the Holocaust. Now, 140 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,960 then people wouldn't be anti semitic. But that's not true. We do 141 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,679 teach about the Holocaust. People still are. In fact, there are studies 142 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,440 that show that people become more anti Semitic when you teach them about the Holocaust. 143 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,159 They viewed Jews as victims, et cetera. Do you think the same 144 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,720 thing would happen. If I told people about the Constitution, they're just like, 145 00:10:56,759 --> 00:11:00,279 it's an old document written by white men. It's not just how having 146 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,000 people read it or having people learn the history. It's the values that are 147 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:09,080 infused therein that matter both for both situations. You know, there are people 148 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,320 who think the Holocaust was a good thing, So teaching them about the Holocaust, 149 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,759 teaching people with value, teaching people in a way that does not challenge 150 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:22,559 their values there is not going to do anything. And likewise, people might 151 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:26,440 know that the Constitution exists and view it as a barrier to their goals. 152 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:33,600 So these things about teaching people tolerance and getting along with other people who disagree 153 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:39,159 with you, about how free speech enables people to find the truth and how 154 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:45,320 important that is for each American, these are things that can be taught in 155 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,679 a much better way. They're not being I mean, they're just not happening 156 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:54,080 right now. Like I went to a modern Orthodox high school right Shiva, 157 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:00,559 and it was the we were always saying prayers for a United States the troops, 158 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,080 Like it was a very patriotic there. And I'm not you know, 159 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,279 maybe this isn't always the case. I don't know, But when you saw 160 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,320 pro Israel marches going on. There's a lot of like first of all, 161 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,960 they're peaceful, but moreover there's American flags as well. There's like a love 162 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,159 of America. People who love Israel usually love America and Israel they love America 163 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,000 also. Obviously we give him a lot of stuff. But I don't feel 164 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,519 that that that happens when you see one of these pro so called Palestinian marches 165 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,759 at all. I see the opposite, and you know, I just you 166 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:33,120 know, it's a big problem when you look at post because younger people seem 167 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:39,519 to be gravitating in that direction, you know. So you know the history 168 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,919 of the Pledge of Allegiance and how it was written by a big progressive Ralph 169 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,799 Bellamy. Yeah, and it kind of like started It's not something that our 170 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:54,519 country started with. I never really loved bad things to say, but you 171 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,759 know, like it just seemed weird that we were doing it. I was 172 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:03,080 coming out of libertarians circles where you know, I had all the arguments against 173 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,240 it, and then my children went to a religious school where they pledged allegiance 174 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,039 to the flag each day, and I realized how wonderful and important this is 175 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:18,120 to teach people how to be little citizens and how that helps a country flourish, 176 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,159 and it helps them get along with people they disagree with. You know, 177 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,120 if they stand and do the pledge in public schools every day for all 178 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,960 classes, they still do it. Highly doubt it. I have never sent 179 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,320 my child to a public school government school, so I'm not sure, but 180 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,559 I highly doubt it. I mean highly, highly highly doubt it. I 181 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:43,840 bet even in super red areas they're not doing it. But maybe our listeners 182 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,879 can enlighten us it is. I've always been slightly annoyed by the pledge as 183 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:52,440 well, but you know, I still think it's a good thing. You're 184 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,279 standing for the flag, you're all doing it together, no matter what your 185 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,679 opinions are, et cetera. But it's the same thing with like the new 186 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,039 Colossus or whatever that one is on the Statue of Liberty and stuff like this, 187 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,679 Like people who don't care about the Constitution or separation of church and state, 188 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:09,159 you know that, you know, or whatever, they sort of grab 189 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:15,840 onto these ideas that aren't actually in the Constitution and make and elevate them above 190 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,080 like the Bill of Rights, you know, or whatever, and or like 191 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,200 diversity is our strength or whatever kind of you know, tropes or platitudes. 192 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:30,080 They kind of spread. Hey, everybody, this is Sarah Carter from the 193 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,200 Sarah Carter Show. 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I 211 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,600 do want to say my interest in patriotism was sparked through an unlikely source I 212 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:56,639 believe, which is Charles Murray. I think it was an AI speech son. 213 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:02,679 AI used to used to be better. First of all, this think 214 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,320 tank in DC, and they used to have an Irving Crystal lecture where someone 215 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:14,320 would give like a real lecture about something important and then you would have a 216 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,480 fancy dinner and you'd have dancing. And now they do Q and a's, 217 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,480 which are It's kind of just sad how society, how society has like diminished 218 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:26,840 in this. Really I love Q and a's. Now no Q and A. 219 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,159 Would sh you'd rather do if your speak? Would you rather give a 220 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:32,360 speech than do Q and A? Because I enjoy Q and A. Of 221 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,960 course I would rather do a Q and A it's very easy to respond to 222 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:40,000 questions. It takes a lot of energy to put together a speech, and 223 00:16:40,039 --> 00:16:42,639 there are things that happen in speeches that don't happen. So, for instance, 224 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:49,480 Charles Krauthammer gave infamously his speech arguing that there needed to be a new 225 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:55,200 way of doing foreign policy, which was to spread democracy. He said, 226 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,759 and I don't think he meant it as a joke, that this was a 227 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:03,960 very modest thing that would only happen from North Africa to Afghanistan. And it 228 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:10,839 was a really interesting iteration of Bush foreign policy and very wrong. And you 229 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,559 can go back and look at this speech and see how wrong it is. 230 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,079 And one of my favorite things about it is that he looks at all of 231 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:22,640 the critiques from the realists who are saying, I don't think we should invade 232 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:23,799 Rock, I don't think the case has been made for this, and I 233 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,319 don't think it's a good idea, and he kind of goes through what their 234 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,400 arguments are and he's like, maybe they're right, Like, maybe they're right. 235 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,799 We have to acknowledge that as possible, but shouldn't we just try this? 236 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,279 And I love you know, like okay, so we tried. It 237 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:41,960 didn't go so well. What are the lessons we're learning? Apparently the lesson 238 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,759 we learned is to have the same people who did a bad job with that 239 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:48,960 strategy run our strategy in the war in Ukraine, which, incidentally, the 240 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:56,440 Washington Post has an amazing piece all about recriminations. It looks like Mark Millie, 241 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,920 the man who I just want to sorry, I'm doing tangent after Tan. 242 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:07,400 That's what we're here. Mark Milly is this guy who said and admitted, 243 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,359 like confessed that he repeatedly called his Chinese counterparts and told them that he 244 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:18,599 would undermine civilian control of the military in the United States and warn them if 245 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:22,799 we were ever to attack them. Had he confessed to this? And I 246 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:26,920 was thinking about this because a memo went out this past weekend to all the 247 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,400 Sunday shows to complain that Trump complained about this, and they're like, he 248 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:36,200 said that, he said that treason had a death penalty associated with it, 249 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,359 and that having you know, and that and that this guy calling the Chinese 250 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,480 to warn them about our war plans was treeson this. It's like what the 251 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:51,440 word means, you know, like text mark example there right, Like it's 252 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,519 and it's not just about warning your enemies about your plans. It's also about 253 00:18:55,799 --> 00:18:57,759 it's a violation of one of the most important things we have in this country, 254 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:02,400 which is civilian control of the military. You know, the people control 255 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,000 the military. The military doesn't control the people anyway, Mark Milly, Lloyd 256 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:10,960 Austin. They go to the Washington Post and they complain that, like, 257 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:15,319 the whole failure of Ukraine wasn't that they didn't have a really smart strategy, 258 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:19,039 and that they never should have been egging Ukraine to take on Russia. They 259 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:22,759 were admitting that it's been a failure, but they were saying, really, 260 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:26,400 it's the Ukrainian's fault, which just seemed kind of uncool to me, that 261 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:30,519 we're making Ukraine do all this and then we're blaming them after they've lost like 262 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:36,440 one hundred and fifty thousand lives. Okay, the lesson learned from the Charles 263 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,920 Crowdhammer speech is to just keep letting these people run foreign policy. Apparently that's 264 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,960 the lesson that DC took. Normal people say we shouldn't. Okay, So 265 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,680 Charles Murray is giving one of these lectures. I really like Charles Murray, 266 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:55,559 do you yeah? Okay? So He's talking about the importance of patriotism, 267 00:19:55,799 --> 00:20:00,319 and for some reason, the fact that it was a libertarian opened my mind 268 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:07,960 to being more receptive to it. And he was even talking about I think 269 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,400 this was that speech. It might have been a different one, the difference 270 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:18,640 between like the Declaration and the Constitution, and how there are these things like 271 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,400 that are deep within you, that explain who you are as a people, 272 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:29,200 and the importance of teaching these things. And I realized we are doing a 273 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,559 horrific job with patriotism. And this was, however, many years ago, 274 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,000 and when there was some like you know, situation with the NFL. This 275 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:42,440 is like far before the insanity of the BLM riots, and someone was claiming 276 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,160 that they wouldn't they were kneeling for the flag. I don't know if it 277 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,160 was Colin Kaepernick or someone else. And Trump had said something about how like 278 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,480 really bad this was, and I remember it was like Stephen Hayes or someone 279 00:20:56,519 --> 00:21:03,920 like that on Special Report was defending the NFL or other people for not being 280 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:10,799 patriotic, and it just struck me as like a weird moment. Patriotism is 281 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:15,359 important, this cohesiveness is important. You now have things coming out showing that 282 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,119 like a ton of people don't want to fight for their country. Well why 283 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,920 would they? What is their country? We're told that it's not really anything. 284 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,319 We don't have borders, we don't have ideas that we all share. 285 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:33,640 So, yeah, I have three things to say about what you just said. 286 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:41,119 First of all, the moment, I call myself a classic liberal because 287 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,000 I even though the shorthand is libertarian, I knew I wasn't a libertarian when 288 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,440 I realized that libertarianism was sort of like Marxism and its universal ideals, meaning 289 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:55,000 like people, real libertarians don't believe in borders and countries and things like that. 290 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,079 They see everything through the economic lens, nothing through sort of city, 291 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:03,039 you know, nation states or whatever. Really, that's why many don't want 292 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:07,440 a border. And you know all that. I'm a big fan of immigration, 293 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:10,359 but I think that a country has a right to control and do its 294 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,200 best for its future with that immigration, whether it means bringing in people they 295 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,720 need or want, et cetera. You know, that's the first thing. 296 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:26,599 The second thing I wanted to say was, yeah, I kept at some 297 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,359 point in our world, and I think it happened after gen X, but 298 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,039 maybe during gen X people got this idea that protesting was like the highest form 299 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:40,400 of patriotism, rather than maybe having a family, following the rules, you 300 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,759 know, paying your taxes, being a good citizen, helping your community in 301 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:48,240 some way, Like the highest form of patriotism was protesting about something, and 302 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:53,640 then that became like disrespecting the flag was the highest form of protest, right 303 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,519 or patriotism. So now if I'll say, like, you know, this 304 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:00,839 person isn't is kneeling when the flag goes up, and then they're going to 305 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,680 pretend, yeah, that's what America is about, you know, you know, 306 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,720 disrespecting the flag or fighting the authorities or this and that. And meanwhile, 307 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,680 these same people, of course want huge state control or you know about 308 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,799 on everything we do, including speech and the economy. So I think there's 309 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:19,519 just this warp sense of what America is about now and people. And I 310 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:25,000 blame a lot of this on the progressive movement, and Barack Obama tried to 311 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,319 change the for the first time. Wilson did it too, but changed what 312 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,880 patriots meant in America used to be some kind of shared values between right and 313 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,920 left. So yeah, we had our arguments, but you know, we 314 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:40,200 shared a couple of value speech, you know, to process, yeah, 315 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:44,920 constitution generation and now like think about it. They you know, if they 316 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,480 don't, if they would look like I see constantly like, oh but Trump 317 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:51,480 lost the popular vote or this one. There is no such thing as the 318 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:53,079 popular vote. It's not They want to change that. They want to change 319 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,680 how the Supreme Court works, they want to destroy it. They want to 320 00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:00,160 change senators. A lot of Democrats don't believe that to senators for state thing 321 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,960 is a good idea. They want direct democracies. And when you say, 322 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,960 actually, we're not a democracy, we're a public they laugh at you. 323 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,519 It's so jejune and naive. If you're so you know, you're so ridiculous 324 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,480 when you mentioned that. So like, even the most basic things that we 325 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:17,279 are are rejected by the left. Right now. I don't have any idea 326 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:22,240 how we got here from Williamsburg, but it's awesome, I know. Also 327 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,319 on that democracy thing, we have the people who claim that they are super 328 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,720 democratic. You've even in the name of their party, the Democrat Party, 329 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:37,960 are literally trying to remove Donald Trump from the ballot, which is an incredibly 330 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:42,079 anti democratic operation by definition, to say people do not get to vote for 331 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,799 the person that they want to. They are trying to imprison their political opponent. 332 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,519 Very anti democratic and right now they are Now there seems to be like 333 00:24:52,559 --> 00:25:02,759 a coordinated media operation to claim that if Donald Trump we're elected, he would 334 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:08,160 do to other people what they're doing to him, and therefore he's worse than 335 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,319 Hitler. Have you followed this at all? I just want to say, 336 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,960 I'm so impressed by that segue. It's amazing. You're amazing. So you're 337 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:22,039 a professional. Yeah, I have, because we talked about it. Sorry, 338 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,440 So let me give you a little bit of a background on this. 339 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,400 So, so the Atlantic magazine, which is sort of like I don't know 340 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,960 what to actually, you know, Stephen Miller, not the government guy, 341 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,400 but like the funnier funny guy. Yeah, he said that. I think 342 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:44,119 he said that The Atlantic is like Salon with an inside voice, which always 343 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,680 made me laugh. So they have a they have a full issue and it 344 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:53,279 says if Trump wins, and it's got David from an Apple but on and 345 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:57,440 on all their writers talking about how Trump is going to be a dictator. 346 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,519 And apparently the word went out because I pulled up it was a long opinion 347 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:08,359 piece by Robert Kagan in The Washington Post the other day. A Trump dictatorship 348 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:15,880 is increasingly increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending, and you know, on 349 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,519 and on. There were a few other similar pieces in the Washington Post actually, 350 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:23,039 and I think one in the New York Times. So the main concern 351 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,559 that many of them have, which he just alluded to or mentioned, was 352 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,720 that Donald Trump's going to do exactly what they've been to, which makes me 353 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:37,680 laugh. I actually believe Trump rhetorically, at least for sure, has kind 354 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,480 of an authoritarian air. I'm sorry I do. But the problem is he 355 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,039 actually did nothing like that when he was president as far as I can tell, 356 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,680 whereas Joe Biden has abused the Justice Apartment, for instance, alone has 357 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,960 gone after all kinds of political enemies from traditional Catholic you know people too, 358 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,720 people who protest school boards all the way to lead life to Trump. All 359 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:06,480 of Donald Trump say, it's yeah, it's full on dictator style. So 360 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,480 if I care about so called democracy, which really only means to Democrats whatever 361 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,759 you know, policy they support, I would be very disturbed about that, 362 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:19,680 and I would mention it before I started talking about Donald Trump, right, 363 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:22,279 I would say, listen, we have a real, really bad let's say 364 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:26,240 you hate Donald Trump. We have a really bad choice here because he's going 365 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,799 to do what Joe Biden has done and that's going to be horrible. But 366 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,359 they never take it to that logical conclusion, and it drives me bananas. 367 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,079 So I have a bunch of things that drive me bananas about this first off 368 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,200 is kind of how we're being drives me bananas. So we just described a 369 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,759 Justice Department and a president who are violating every norm. Who are who are 370 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:51,359 running the country as if we are the Soviet Union, who are making a 371 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:57,319 mockery of our elections, are who are trying to handle political disputes in the 372 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,640 worst way possible. And it's not just Biden and the Justice Department, it's 373 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,400 basically democrats up and down the Eastern seaboard. In New York, you had 374 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,319 someone run for office claiming that she would figure out a way to punish Donald 375 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:15,079 Trump for having different politics than she has. And the way she did it 376 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,680 is to say he took a loan, he paid a loan, and everyone 377 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:25,400 was happy, and somehow this means they're going to take his business away from 378 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,839 him and his family Like this, This is the kind of thing that would 379 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:32,119 make Vladimir Putin blush and be like, hey, guys, I think we're 380 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,160 being a little bit too much here, And not only are like, not 381 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,599 only is nobody saying anything like not only are no Democrats saying thing? No 382 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:44,359 one in the media is acting like this as a horrific violation of people's rights. 383 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,640 They're just sort of like cheering it on, and they're covering as covering 384 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,519 it as if it's no big deal. And then we now say, like, 385 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,079 oh, they're saying Donald Trump would be hitler if he did what they're 386 00:28:56,119 --> 00:29:03,400 doing. But what I don't hear anyone saying is that are they get mad 387 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:08,279 at the rhetoric being targeted toward Republicans or Donald Trump, but they don't actually 388 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:12,240 identify what's going on on the other side, Like say what you want about 389 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,359 the not completely competent Joe Biden. Every time he's in front of a microphone, 390 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,000 he's like, bad maga republican, Bad maga republican. What's the phrase 391 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:26,599 that Mitch McConnell has had his people go out and say, I think it 392 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,519 might also be bad maga republican. Like there's nobody coming out and saying like 393 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,960 Democrats are destroying the country like that. You just want to clarity with the 394 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,119 way people are talking and also remembering like how we got here. It's not 395 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,160 by elect I mean, partly by electing Republicans, I get it, but 396 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,480 very much by electing Democrats the way that they're governing governing things. Yeah, 397 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,960 dorms are done. There are no norms. No one cares about norms anymore. 398 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:59,319 I think it is indisputable. I would debate anyone on this that more 399 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,680 norms were just destroyed by the Biden administration and the Obama administration, by Donald 400 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,440 Trump administration. I don't actually think it's very close. The Biden, for 401 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,160 instance, abuses his executive power in ways that Trump. I don't think ever 402 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,440 imagined that he could do all the things that Trump did. When he did, 403 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:22,559 in my view, abuse executive power, Barack Obama had done ten times 404 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,240 over. Like, it wasn't even close. I have one, I have 405 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:26,400 a thing that I don't like that he did. But what are you thinking 406 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,119 of specifically? Well, I didn't like his wall funding thing, for instance, 407 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:34,359 because I think he circumvented he was clearly circumventing legislative will. It's not 408 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:40,640 up to him to make two funds, you know, that's Congress's it's Congress 409 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:45,200 that funds a wall, not him. That was one that I remember that 410 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,839 made me angry. But there was another. Oh yeah, his mortgage. 411 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,559 His uh, he forgot what did he do with renters? And and he 412 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,720 did something where he just completely like through executive power. Did I think he 413 00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,480 like delayed rental pays or something. I forget what it was, but it 414 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,480 was some executive order I didn't like. But there were a few I didn't 415 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,640 like. I mean, he's just like any other president, doesn't. I 416 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,920 just want to say, on the on the wall thing, I do think 417 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:14,119 that that was an open constitutional question and I totally respect. I think I 418 00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:18,079 think I agree with you on that front. I remember Ben Sass wrote his 419 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,319 reason for why he didn't have a problem with it constitutionally, But my point 420 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,119 just being there there's a debate there. For me personally, the thing that 421 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,279 I think was awful was the bump stock Oh yeah, the bump stock band 422 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,440 through executive order. Yeah, I just I thought that was really good. 423 00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:41,880 But like, it's kind of interesting, given the outsize rhetoric about Donald Trump, 424 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:47,240 how like relative to other presidents, there's there are far fewer examples of 425 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,079 this and I would even include, you know, with George W. Bush, 426 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:56,440 Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and yet like only one of those people 427 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,000 gets usually named as being a problem because there's a moral opponent for the left 428 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,240 that allows him to do anything if it's right. It's a very Unamerican way 429 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,680 to look at the world, honestly. So let me give you an example. 430 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:08,759 The student loan forgiveness thing. It's popular, he's going to do it. 431 00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:15,200 He literally, the president is breaking existing contracts, money that has been 432 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,880 spent by the people who borrowed that money, and simply taking that debt and 433 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,359 making tax payers pay it. Like that's what he's trying to do. That 434 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:28,319 is completely authoritarian. It is against property rights, it's against contracts, it's 435 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,319 against everything the Constitution says you're supposed to be doing in that kind of situation. 436 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,119 Okay, So back to this Atlantic, Washington Post, New York Times, 437 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:42,480 every single Sunday talk show is that all got a memo? I just 438 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,920 want to say, it's always weird when everybody does something at the same time, 439 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:52,559 particularly in years after we experienced, for instance, the Russia collusion scam, 440 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:57,440 where everybody started at the same time running an information up that clearly came, 441 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,920 you know, like in a non organic fashion. So everyone's gone with 442 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,759 this like Trump is hitler thing, and we're pointing out that part of the 443 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:12,079 problem there is that they're describing potential behavior that they are engaged in right now, 444 00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:15,160 and they don't have a problem with the thing is, though, when 445 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,240 they're talking this way, it's hard to view it as something other than they 446 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:27,319 are preparing for extremely dramatic action to be taken against Republicans. When you say 447 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,359 someone is hitler, as Robert Kagan did in the pages of the Washington Post, 448 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,240 what you're saying is it's okay to kill this person. I mean, 449 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:39,720 I think we should just speak very clearly. When the Atlantic is saying the 450 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:45,160 Atlantic which ran the Russia collusion hoax, which has run all sorts of scams 451 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:50,799 that have destroyed the country. When they say the worst threat in the history 452 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:54,640 of mankind is a second Trump administration, they're saying, what are you going 453 00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:00,440 to do about it? When everyone in the media all adopt the same talking 454 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,880 points from the same like sort of of the same information op, it seems 455 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,119 like they are trying to expand the range of possibilities because they've run out of 456 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:15,039 ways to take care of their political problem. They tried arresting. I mean 457 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:20,079 they're going to arrest he's he's going to be convicted. I mean there, 458 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,239 yeah, he will be convicted here before the next election. And they are 459 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,199 shocked that the response to this from the American people is, well, we 460 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,920 have to vote for him. Like did you see Tucker Carlson was talking about 461 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,920 this, how he was like not even necessarily a huge Trump fan, how 462 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,519 he was totally open minded to any number of possibilities for the next presidential election. 463 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,960 And then the moment Joe Biden rated mar A Lago, it was like, 464 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:46,320 it's over. I have to vote for this person. I have to 465 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,920 not just vote for him, I have to do everything in my power. 466 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,880 And it was such like an obvious point because you can see this in polling 467 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,320 and other otherwise. It's an obvious point that a lot of Americans are like, 468 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,119 I don't know much, but I know we can't allow this. And 469 00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,760 it explains why, you know, for instance, Rhonda Santis has had a 470 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:14,199 tough go of things, because it just that you might really like Rhonda Santis, 471 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,679 you might like vi Vike Ramaswami, you might like Chris Christy well, 472 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,599 if you like Chris Christy, there's no helping you. But you're looking at 473 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,840 the destruction of a once great nation and you have and you don't have many 474 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:34,639 options other than like voting for this guy. Well, I don't buy that 475 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,519 last thing. I don't want to argue about it right now. We'll talk 476 00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,639 about it another time. I don't think I need to vote for Donald Trump 477 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:44,119 to change this great nation. I think you're going to write op eds, 478 00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,480 but I will say this, so let me go back to your original point. 479 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:54,559 You did say something there about assassination that people probably people might think it's 480 00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:57,760 a little over the top. I think they might think that. I just 481 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,360 want to say this though, So imagine now, what would you do if 482 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,760 you needed to to stop Hitler? Right? Like I would go back in 483 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,480 time and I'd shoot him in the face, right, or shoot the baby 484 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:10,039 Hitler in the face like I do it. Right. So, you remember 485 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:14,880 the semi fascism speech that Biden gave and all like behind the in front of 486 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:20,920 the red front chromis the blood red marine, the blood red marine flanked like 487 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,280 kill them speech. Yes, so if you're and basically the whole left wings 488 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,679 argument, they don't really debate issues anymore is that this is fascism and we 489 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,400 have to stop it. So that that's why norms are so easily broken now, 490 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,760 because to stop fascism, to stop Hitler, you would do basically and 491 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,280 you could do anything, and it's justified. And that is such a dangerous 492 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,639 way to approach this. And yet there's no debate we don't have. There's 493 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,199 no debate we don't we have right now in this country where where it's not 494 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,199 fascism versus you know, the light of democracy. So yeah, I mean, 495 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,639 I don't think anyone's going to assassinate him, but I do think that 496 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,599 I wouldn't be surprised if they would engage in completely, you know, using 497 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,400 completely undemocratic means to try to stop him, which they have already in a 498 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,920 way now, just to go back a little bit before twenty twenty, I 499 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,880 don't know if people remember this. You know, everyone always remembers what Trump 500 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,400 did. I think he acted recklessly, et cetera, et cetera. But 501 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,480 there was a thing called the Transition Integrity Project. Do you remember this thing? 502 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:22,519 It was like a sort of democray. Yeah, it was a war 503 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,719 game that democrats engaged in, and what they would do if they lost the 504 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,840 election, if they lost the popular vote. That's what it said. If 505 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,800 you lose the popular vote, it's a democratic crisis, even though the Constitution 506 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,760 has no popular vote. So the plan for them was to send pro buying 507 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,559 electors to you know, to undermine the results in electric college, just like 508 00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,199 you know Republicans were talking about. But then the next step in the plan 509 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:52,320 was for states like California, Oregon, and Washington to secede from the Union. 510 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:57,000 And then here's a Ben Smith quote. At that point in this scenario, 511 00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,760 the nation stopped looking to the media for cues and waited to see what 512 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,320 the military would do. Like this is the sort of thing they're talking about 513 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,840 when it comes to Trump and because and then Trump, like a you know, 514 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,800 like an idiot, uses words like vermin in my opinion, stupid, 515 00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:15,519 and they're pretending he's hitler. But when Democrats talk about the military getting involved 516 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,440 in an election, no one even bats an eye. No one even has 517 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,760 a problem with that. I mean, there's something seriously wrong with these They're 518 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,159 not These people are authoritarians, I do think when they're saying so, So 519 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,280 I'm glad you brought up what their plans were to overthrow the twenty twenty election 520 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,199 if they lost. I think that's an important thing that hasn't been mentioned. 521 00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:37,599 And also the Atlantic was part of that. All these same people who are 522 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:44,840 speaking in very dramatic ways right now were part of those tabletop planning exercises. 523 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:51,400 And when they say if Trump is elected, he will do this or he 524 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,599 will do that, I view it as straight projection. They're saying what they 525 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,960 will do even worse in the in the second term, and people should understand 526 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,960 it as such. I don't. I don't really like. I don't like 527 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,079 when people use dehumanizing language. So I don't disagree with you, but I 528 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:19,880 don't actually see why people are so upset about. Like when Joe Biden as 529 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:24,159 president is out there calling for the destruction of people like me. I took 530 00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:32,719 offense at that nobody in the media did his very frightening authoritarian speech where he 531 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,719 was angry and screaming and he was like it was drenched in red and he 532 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,159 had the Marines there, and it was sort of like I have the military, 533 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,159 and you people disgusted me, and you are you are destroying the country 534 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:49,800 and whatever you know. But like when I look at pro hamas rioters in 535 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:55,119 the streets who are threatening the very existence of the country in terms of like 536 00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:01,159 the way they're talking about the they're opposed to religious tolerance, or the way 537 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:07,280 that they are seeking out Jews for targeting. When I look at BLM rioters 538 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,719 who are destroying police stations and attacking federal courthouses and the White House and stuff 539 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,360 like this, and doing it in an ongoing and sustained fashion, I think 540 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:21,960 it's okay to use strong rhetoric against people like this. No, yeah, 541 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:23,719 listen, I'm old fashioned. I just don't think the president should do, 542 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,559 you know, or presidential candidates should use words like that. I think they're 543 00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:31,480 garbage and vermin. But you know what I don't. Yeah, we talk 544 00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:36,039 about sorry, Yeah, another bad word thing. Because I was thinking about 545 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:37,440 this, I don't want to say it, and I don't even want to 546 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:43,760 like allude to it necessarily. But Elon Musk with his language. Did you 547 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,880 see what he said about the advertising in Disney. Yeah, like, if 548 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,880 people are going to try to blackmail them, blackmail him with money, they 549 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:59,599 should anatomically do something to themselves that is not possible. And I wish there 550 00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,639 were a to say that that was not crass. I don't know if you 551 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,000 can. I was talking about it with some people on Twitter because some people 552 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:08,960 are like, I love what he said, but I don't like the the 553 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,679 bad things you see for him. I think it's fine because I always wondered 554 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,559 about this when I was even when I was young. Why, like people 555 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:20,400 who are super rich are so worried about their how people perceive them, Like 556 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,360 you already have more money than you'll ever need, you could ever spend, 557 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:27,400 like you should be able to just be freed. And Elon is like the 558 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,440 first really rich person I think that has ever done this in my life lifetime 559 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,719 that I know of. You know, he's just a few like what are 560 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,239 you going to how are you? What are you going to do to him? 561 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,159 There's nothing you can really do to it. Well, But you also 562 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:40,679 saw Dana White. Jobsana White had a pro Trump video up on his side 563 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,840 or something. He said, a big advertiser came to him and told him 564 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,079 he should take it down, and he told them to anatomically do something to 565 00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:54,119 themselves that is not possible. And then I also saw Tucker speaking about pressure 566 00:41:54,199 --> 00:42:00,280 that he's received and saying the same thing. I like the sentiment, and 567 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,760 I want to make it like a thing, but I don't want bad words 568 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,880 in my house. It is interesting to me because I live my life in 569 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,440 many liberal areas, so I don't exactly know how it goes what goes on 570 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,960 in red states exactly, But there is this idea that the left can always 571 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,079 like put bump, you know, can proudly talk about whatever they want, 572 00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:23,760 but conservatives speak in the secret language you know, at work or whatever because 573 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,119 they don't want others to to be you know, to hate them, or 574 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,960 or you know, because they're conservative or things like that. But yeah, 575 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,960 I'm I'm you know, listen, even if you don't like Trump, people 576 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,840 should be able to support them and not worry about their livelihood. That seems 577 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:43,960 also very Unamerican to me. But it can quickly just go back to one 578 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,679 thing you said about that Biden's speech and how angry he was and everything. 579 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,320 All the things that he's talking about that are supposedly facistic aren't fascistic at all. 580 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,840 He's talking about supposed voting rights, he's talking about abortion. He's talking 581 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,119 you know, which which we're given the right to de side what abortion policy 582 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:05,559 will be was given back to the people in a vote which is more democratic 583 00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:07,880 than Roe v. Wade, and all these issues, none of them are 584 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:14,960 fascistic in any way. If you want to argue that you think Donald Trump 585 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,280 won't leave the White House or whatever, fine, you can call that authoritarian 586 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,880 if you like. But I don't know that. I think on the net, 587 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,280 total of his administration and what went on was actually helpful to freedom and 588 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,400 helpful to the Constitution, especially the Court than the reverse. So I don't 589 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:37,079 even really can never understand what exactly they think is actual fascism other than sort 590 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:40,360 of some esthetic quality that Donald Trump has. Right, Yeah, I remember 591 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,000 back when Jonah Goldberg's brain hadn't broken, he was joking that people use the 592 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,719 word fascism to describe like a mean dad. You know, it sounds like 593 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,800 you're in college, you're hanging out the dorm and you call your dad a 594 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,360 fascist because you won't give you all the money that you want. That's kind 595 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,000 of how the that's kind of how the left see was to use the term. 596 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,440 In my view, And if Donald Trump is a is this fascist? 597 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,760 Why didn't he institute fascism during his first term? Oh? Now, how 598 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,599 is it going to institute fascism in his second term? That was he was 599 00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:14,960 unable to do in his first term. I guess I need to read The 600 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,039 Atlantic from cover to cover. Someone was saying that if you read the Robert 601 00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,800 Kagan, Trump is hitler, so you should kill him peace in the Washington 602 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,920 Post, but you read it like slightly different. Like you read it it 603 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,920 almost reads like an advertisement for Trump, like if he were re elected, 604 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,800 he would actually get stuff done that he failed to do in the first term. 605 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,079 Like do you remember the great moment during the debate with Hillary, one 606 00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:45,280 of the great moments where he says, you'd be in jail. I don't 607 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,679 remember exactly how that. Yeah, I know what you're talking about it. 608 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,320 Yeah, but you know, of course, once he's elected and his supporters 609 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,920 are like, yeah, let's like finally hold the Clinton people accountable for their 610 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,559 lawbreaking and whatnot. And instead he says he's Donald Trump says, yeah, 611 00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,760 I know, I said that, But actually it's not good to settle political 612 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,519 differences using the Justice Department. And I think, you know, like the 613 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:12,800 proper thing to do when you win is to just let things go. And 614 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,119 so I'm not going after Hillary Clinton. This is the man who's going to 615 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:23,559 institute a reign of terror. Like really, and then compare that with Biden, 616 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:30,920 who's like I eked out an election by completely gaming the system by changing 617 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:37,199 hundreds of laws and processes, sometimes constitutionally, sometimes not, by getting the 618 00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:42,000 world's wealthiest men to get together and run get out the vote operations in the 619 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:46,679 blue areas of swing states, by running a censorship attack where I personally, 620 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:52,000 on an international stage said something I knew that was a lie, that I 621 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:58,920 claimed that the Russians had created my son's laptop. I lied about my involvement 622 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,000 in the family business. And I was able to eke out a victory. 623 00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:07,840 And what I'm gonna do in response is criminalize anyone questioning that victory. And 624 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,840 I'm going to put my opponents in prison for the rest of their lives, 625 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,239 and I'm gonna take their companies, and I'm gonna, you know, That's 626 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,880 what I'm gonna do. And we're supposed to be worried about the guy who 627 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:22,079 wouldn't even go after Hillary Clinton. Really, huh, I'm worried about everyone, 628 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:27,039 But let me say this, I'm definitely more worried about about the left 629 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:30,519 right now. But I was reading one of these pieces. I forget which 630 00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:31,960 one it was, but They do this all the time, and it makes 631 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:37,760 me laugh when I read it. They have this excited language when they're talking 632 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,679 about completely normal things that every administration ever has done. Like, you know 633 00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,519 what Donald Trump's going to do when he gets into power again, when he 634 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:50,639 snatches power again, He's going to put his own partisans into positions of power 635 00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:55,320 throughout the White House. But I'm not even joking. Yes, so like 636 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,039 he's going to put his own people in the Justice Departy, He's gonna put 637 00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:01,159 his own do they know how the executive like they think that they have a 638 00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:05,119 special set of rules that they get to use, and then when people they 639 00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,119 dislike are in power, they have a special set of rules. But let 640 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,960 me also say this about Ron DeSantis, just because you mentioned it before. 641 00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:14,800 If Rond de Santis was winning this primary, if he was up, if 642 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,079 Donald Trump wasn't running, they would be saying the same stuff about him because 643 00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:21,440 they have said the same stuff about him. They've called him a fascist over 644 00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:25,800 and over again, which is in insane because not even his rhetoric is like 645 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,440 that, and not even his disposition is like that. I don't know. 646 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,199 The Coke Network, which used to be known as kind of like a libertarian 647 00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:40,280 big donor thing in Doris s Nicky Haley noted Neo Khan over Ronda Santis, 648 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,079 they'd already announced that they hate Donald Trump, I think in like twenty eighteen. 649 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,280 But on the note of Ronda Santis, did you watch his debate with 650 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,519 Gavin Newsom your segras of Soga today? Yeah? I did. I watched 651 00:47:55,519 --> 00:48:00,920 it. Listen. I've explained I explained this to the people other people we 652 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,960 work with, colleagues. I don't understand the American people or the electorate, 653 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,360 so I don't know what they like. Sometimes I'm like, this is amazing 654 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,360 and no one cares. I thought he killed it against Newsom, you know, 655 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,360 just on policy. I just, you know, first of all, 656 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:21,079 the juxtaposition of what's going on in California and what's going on in Florida. 657 00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,320 I just don't I think he had the leg up there automatically. But I 658 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,719 just I thought he had a real good command of like the issues and stuff 659 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,920 like that, and Newsom, I guess this is part of it. I 660 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,639 knew that Newsom was quite often lying about what he was saying. And I'm 661 00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:37,039 not sure everyone who you know watches just because I get to do this for 662 00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:39,599 a living, you know, you know, and I follow it, knew 663 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:44,079 that he was lying, but I think that Newsom was quite hurt by that. 664 00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:46,400 I just don't see him as the you know, the savior that the 665 00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:51,559 many in the Democratic Party think that he might be. How'd you see it? 666 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:57,159 So let me just first off say that after was it the second debate? 667 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:02,480 I think it was where Rond de Santis was fine but not great. 668 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,280 He later went on Trace Gallagher's show and it was like one on one with 669 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:14,519 him and he was fantastic. And I actually sent a note to some people 670 00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:20,239 in the campaign or affiliated like they should. And that was also the night 671 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,400 they announced he would be debating Gavin Newsom. I think or was right around 672 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,719 them, and I was like, he does really well in one on one 673 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,000 in a way that he just doesn't when it's a sea of people on stage, 674 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,119 and he should try and do as many of those as possible. So 675 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,760 my first thought is this is good for Ron DeSantis. It's also good for 676 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:46,679 the country when people debate when they're not debating for campaign reasons exclusively, Like 677 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:52,000 I just wish we had more people willing to debate. I'm the governor of 678 00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,400 New Hampshire. I'm the governor of Arkansas. We're going to debate the best 679 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,000 way to do things, like I would love much more of that. I 680 00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:05,440 think would be good, healthy for the people. And having said that, 681 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:15,320 I also thought DeSantis like utterly destroyed Gavin Newsom in every way. On substance, 682 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,119 Yeah, on substance. The weird thing about Newsom is and I know 683 00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:23,800 all politicians lie, and I'm always like the last person to make a big 684 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:30,199 deal about that, but his form of lying to me seemed particularly insidious. 685 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,800 And it's like he embraced lying like he was George Santos or Joe Biden, 686 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,400 almost like he just it was one with him. The lies were one with 687 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,840 him, and he would say things that were on their face absurd, but 688 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,280 he would say it with conviction. And I think we are a dumb enough 689 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,639 country that that kind of works. And I was talking to my mom afterward, 690 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:58,840 and she did very much like how Ron DeSantis did, but she said 691 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,800 it almost reminded her of that Nixon Kennedy debate where everyone who listened on the 692 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,599 radio thought Nixon won and everyone who watched thought Kennedy had won. She's worried 693 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:13,599 that Gavin is too slick. The fact that Gavin's team came out and claimed 694 00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:15,280 it was a rigged debate tells you that they don't think they won. But 695 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,039 my mom was worried about that exactly. I mean, this might be that 696 00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:24,159 might be the race in twenty twenty eight, right, I don't know, 697 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,159 it might be, you know, it might not be. But you know 698 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,679 why that debate was also Listen, I'm not a huge fan of debates like 699 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,639 this at all anyway, Yeah, I mean, but it was better than 700 00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:44,639 the GOP debates, where people are kind of I don't know, manufacturing disagreement 701 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,599 sometimes, you know, because a lot of them basically agree on most things, 702 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,079 you know, in the big picture, so it's becomes sort of personal 703 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,960 or you know, there's a lot of personal attacks, which are entertaining enough, 704 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,000 but I don't think they you know, they don't do anything I think 705 00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:06,159 to move people, like dunking on someone doesn't I don't think move people that 706 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,239 much. But anyway, so they manufacture these disagreements. It's kind of personal 707 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:15,559 and most often you know, useless, and I think the when it becomes 708 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:21,679 when the moderators loose control, people like Ron DeSantis probably don't do very well 709 00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:25,559 in that kind of, you know, situation, they like much more contained 710 00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:30,760 and orderly kind of debate. I think that there they shine more there, 711 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,559 and that's probably why the one on ones are better for him. Actually, 712 00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:38,039 it reminds me of during COVID when the Supreme Court has stopped hearing arguments early. 713 00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:44,679 They did them by zoom and or whatever, by whatever the equivalent of 714 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,599 that is. And so normally when you do oral arguments it's just kind of 715 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:52,559 a free for all at the end, where different justices like harangue the advocates 716 00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,719 for one side or the other, well what would happen here and what would 717 00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,880 happen there? And Clarence Thomas hates that. He thinks it's rude, disrespectful, 718 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,920 that it's like show voting. He has talked about his hatred for this. 719 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,320 He once went ten years without asking a single question in oral argument, 720 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,519 like literally ten years, that's how rarely he does it. But during this 721 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:19,159 phase they would actually just go down the line where different people where they would 722 00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:22,519 just go by order of seniority asking questions. So the Chief always has the 723 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,880 most seniority, then the justice who's been on the bench the longest, which 724 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,400 is Clarence Thomas, so he was always the second person to ask questions and 725 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,719 he did a masterful job. There were all these people, like even the 726 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,960 lefty justices would constantly go well at this point raised by Justice Thomas, could 727 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,280 you dig a little here or there? And stories were written about it because 728 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,599 people were in shock because they'd always had this sort of racially tinged like disparagement 729 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,719 of Clarence Thomas for not asking questions, and it turned out he just wanted 730 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,800 orderly questions. And I think about this sometimes with Rond de Santis. People 731 00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,400 call him autistic. I do kind of think he has a bit of the 732 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,559 autist in him, as do I, So I'm no judgment there, but 733 00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,639 I also just really get the sense he's kind of introvert, just an introvert 734 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,199 like Justice Thomas. And being an introvert doesn't mean you don't you're not like 735 00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,920 big in personality or anything like that, but it does make some of these 736 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,360 things very uncomfortable. He seems to do really well with the one on one 737 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,039 debating, but not with the rest of them. Yeah, I think that's 738 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:30,119 right. I'm very sympathetic to it as well. I don't you know, 739 00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:31,800 I just feel like I'm a little bit like him in the in real world. 740 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,440 I mean, I think he's more more impressive in many ways. But 741 00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:37,559 I just feel like, yeah, right, that reminds me. I was 742 00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:45,079 complaining about the bought armies for disantish and they still are really not great, 743 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:52,719 but I had noticed a slight improvement where there are some who are I don't 744 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,880 even know why I brought this up. I was like, I need to 745 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,679 I need to remember to say this on the podcast, and then it just 746 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,719 like went away. Just general positivity is attractive. That's all I would say. 747 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,639 Being a positive person is attractive to a lot of people. I have 748 00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:10,719 to say, since you brought it up, just a quick comment on being 749 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,239 on Twitter is just that it is. It's starting to remind me again of 750 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,039 twenty sixteen, where there was just so much anti Semitic stuff thrown. I 751 00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:22,760 mean, like I am not that affected by it because I think most of 752 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,880 it's just anonymity, people saying the worst thing that they can come up with, 753 00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,559 or you know, targeting you. But it's so swampy in there these 754 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:35,559 days that it's getting it's getting pretty ugly there. But I don't know, 755 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,320 and that's just appreciated to Lee. Yeah, Oh my gosh. There's others. 756 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:44,480 There's other like progressive people mostly, but some on the right, and 757 00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:46,880 it's just like they've been given license now to say whatever they want. They 758 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,599 just put the Zionist in for Jew and they go for it, you know, 759 00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:53,519 which I sort of appreciate that we can be honest about stuff. Finally 760 00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:59,480 are almost honest. But it's just I sound like, you know, I 761 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,480 don't want to say, sound like a sensitive soul, but it makes me 762 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:05,800 sad that it's happening, you know, it makes me sad that these people 763 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,079 are out there. It makes me sad to see how many people follow them, 764 00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:13,400 how many people retweet them, how many people defend them, because we 765 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,159 should have a sort of you know, a basement of morality that we don't 766 00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:21,280 go beneath them. We're beneath it now. So for a lot of people. 767 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,440 Yeah, so, but well on that issue, on that issue, 768 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,760 and unfortunately quite a few others as well. Yeah. Just I've asked you 769 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,760 this almost probably every podcast for the last few months. But so do you 770 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,079 think that Desanta says Odds got any better you know here? Or is it 771 00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:45,159 the same or like no, I think I think it's kind of cooked. 772 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,280 But I am always open to different ways of thinking. So I will say 773 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,480 I noticed again you can you can kind of tell when like messages go out. 774 00:56:53,079 --> 00:57:00,320 It seemed like recently the idea was for all the dysantis stands to say 775 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,719 that they think they're going to win the Iowa caucuses, sort of like Project 776 00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,280 Optimism. I actually think this is a smart thing to do. The only 777 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,880 downside is you look like a complete idiot if you don't win. But a 778 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,159 lot of people forget such things anyway. And I will also say caucuses are 779 00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:20,480 weird in that, you know, if you've ever gone to one, you 780 00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:23,719 know you'd like go in with an intent to vote for someone, and different 781 00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:28,360 people make a pitch, and so you can have more movement than in a 782 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,559 traditional voting booth situation. I like caucauses for that reason. They're more communal, 783 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:36,519 and you know, people kind of talking things out. I do not, 784 00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:38,800 I really do. I hate it. You should go in, you 785 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,800 should vote. You shouldn't have to talk to anyone. I like this idea 786 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,760 that you could convince people to change their votes just shows how unserious they are 787 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,119 about their vote to begin with. Most of the time. In this case, 788 00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:55,880 I don't think I don't think the arguments. I think that people. 789 00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:00,599 I think people will go in kind of knowing who they're going to vote for, 790 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:06,639 and will continue to vote for those people. Okay, okay, what 791 00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:09,760 do you think. I think it's going to be very difficult for DeSantis. 792 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,840 I did send you that poll that showed that without Donald Trump he is like 793 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,000 leading by a considerable amount. I think that that this Coke thing of backing 794 00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,679 Haley, I don't really understand it. I'm sure there's some reasoning behind it, 795 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,559 but what should be done. If you really wanted to knock off Donald 796 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,480 Trump, and that was really what you wanted to do, you should be 797 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,159 behind DeSantis and you should be asking other people to drop out, especially Haley 798 00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:35,719 who's probably taking a lot of his votes. But yeah, I don't know, 799 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:38,079 I do know. I just say a lot of people who work for 800 00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:45,360 Coke affiliated groups are just not happy about that endorsement. Some some of them, 801 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,000 I think, have even gone public with it. But I mean a 802 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,239 lot of the time interesting how many establishment figures really really like Nikki Haley. 803 00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,000 I don't hate her. I don't get it, you know, I'm I'm 804 00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:02,000 not really a fan either, so I don't I don't get it, but 805 00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:06,679 I just quickly wanted to say that this has happened in other elections. I've 806 00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:09,480 noticed where, you know, we make assumptions about where voters go, so 807 00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:13,800 like someone falls out, everyone thinks, oh, that type of voter will 808 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,400 go to DeSantis now or whatever, and sometimes you're wrong. You know, 809 00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:20,960 maybe those Hailey voters will go to Trump. But I'm just saying that there 810 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,400 are polls that show that the real only real threat once Trump. You know, 811 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,800 if Trump's out of the race, is DeSantis, like he has the 812 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,480 most support. So but anyway, we'll see. I want to talk about 813 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,480 culture. Sure, I don't really have anything much. Oh I do? 814 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,440 We do? I do? Yeah. I have been very very sad, 815 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,760 unlike surprised by how sad I am about the death of Shane mcgallan, the 816 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:53,039 lead singer of the Pogues, which is this Irish punk folk band, which 817 00:59:53,079 --> 01:00:00,679 I feel like everybody should know that was really big. I think it was 818 01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:04,559 big for me in the in the nineties. I don't know when they were 819 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,719 big or when when you were listening to them, but I remember watching them 820 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,760 on Saturday Night Live. I think that's how I became formally introduced to them, 821 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,639 and that I believe. You know, Shane mcgallan was like falling down 822 01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:22,679 drunk on that performance, which is why I'm so surprised that I'm sad by 823 01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:30,079 his death, because he was near death throughout the eighties, nineties, aughts, 824 01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:34,559 previous decade. Like, I don't know how God preserved him to this 825 01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:37,960 point because he is such a bad addict and such a bad alcoholic. Did 826 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,960 you listen to them? Yeah, I mean I was a fan of their 827 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:46,079 first maybe three albums if I should fall from Grace with God and what is 828 01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:51,760 the other one? So whatever, but I liked it. I was a 829 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:57,159 fan from Sodomy in the Last Motion. Yeah, I think their first album 830 01:00:57,239 --> 01:00:59,920 was my favorite, which was like Red Roses for Me or something. But 831 01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:04,679 anyway, I liked I liked he got a little repetitive sometimes for me, 832 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,679 But I was a fan of the music, like like I like those kind 833 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,639 of taking something traditional and giving it a sort of punky vibe or whatever. 834 01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:15,639 I'm a fan of that sort of thing, and I was a fan of 835 01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:19,679 his. You know, he was actually at one of the first as a 836 01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,199 teenager, at one of the first sex pistol shows. There's a picture of 837 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:28,079 him biting another person in like a pogo dance and his teeth are all messed 838 01:01:28,159 --> 01:01:30,679 up. And he was on the cover of like the Mirror, one of 839 01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:34,719 those big paper saying cannibalism at a sex pistol show, like he was was 840 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,119 sort of like he was sort of like of the scene, you know what 841 01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,800 I mean. And he was pretty like a character that was known, and 842 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,039 he started the Pogues and they were very like, you know, distraditional Irish 843 01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:47,079 music. Whatever. Yeah, I can't believe you lived to be sixty five 844 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,840 because unlike a lot of other famous rock star addicts, he was a real 845 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:58,320 addict, not a fake. Like I'm pretty like suspect that Iggy Pop was 846 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,360 really this big Heroin user, like his whole life. And because he's like 847 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,000 eighty now and he looks amazing, you know, or Keith Richards, like 848 01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:07,440 I'm starting to think Heroin's good for you, you know that live so long, 849 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,280 because you know, we're talking about Keith Richards dying like in the sixties 850 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,760 already, and he's still around. You know. I saw Shane McGowan perform 851 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,199 at the nine thirty club, you know, early two thousands, there was 852 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,039 see with a band called the popes or was that just separate? I don't 853 01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:28,320 know. I don't so. I remember that the mayor of Baltimore opened up 854 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:34,079 for him. The mayor of Baltimore. I think he later ran for president. 855 01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:37,519 Am I just making stuff up? There was a Democrat mayor of Oh 856 01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:40,239 yeah, I know that mayor got Baltimore. He was an Irish guy and 857 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:45,440 his band opened up and then Shane was a wreck like we were. We 858 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,800 were up on the second story of the nine thirty club and we could see 859 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,920 he would just like go off stage and Mark was amazed. This was before 860 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,840 we were married, we were dating and it was a fun night. But 861 01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:01,800 marn O'Malley was that who you're Yes, that's him. So I didn't make 862 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:07,320 that up. Okay, No, he did exist, and and he would 863 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:12,079 just like guzzle a fifth of whiskey. I was like, how is he 864 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,079 upright? I have no idea how. He actually had to leave midway through 865 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:20,039 because he couldn't keep going, but then he came back. It was an 866 01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:23,480 unbelievable show. And I remember a couple of years before that was when that 867 01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:31,880 documentary If I Should Fall from Grace came out, which detailed his addiction and 868 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:38,519 other issues. I mean, anyway, he's beautiful poet. Yeah, and 869 01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:45,079 I don't want to glamorize that in any way. No, No. I 870 01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:49,639 remember also like Sinead O'Connor once called called the cops on him in an attempt 871 01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:52,760 to save his life because I think it was heroin. She's like, yeah, 872 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,280 it was. And of course the Pogues fired him repeatedly because they were 873 01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,679 trying to save his life like it was. It was. They would just 874 01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:01,679 be open and honest, They're like, this guy is going to kill himself 875 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,199 with drugs and drink if he doesn't get help. Yeah. For a while, 876 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,519 for a while, Joe Strummer was the lead singer of the Pogues after 877 01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:13,559 they kicked Sea McGown at, who died long before, who wasn't a heroin 878 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:17,480 addict or an alcoholic and died long before. Yeah, but yeah, I 879 01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:20,480 mean he you know, he lost all his and lose all his teeth. 880 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,800 He did stuff to get rid of his teeth. Yeah, but they did 881 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,880 this like seven hour operation and gave him a new set of teeth and stuff. 882 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,239 And there's there's a whole documentary about It's pretty interesting, a little gross, 883 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,079 but like people who don't know them are like, why do you even 884 01:04:36,199 --> 01:04:40,840 care? I don't know. I really think the Irish are the best poets 885 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,880 and he is a wonderful example of that. And like you think he was 886 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,000 because he was always drunk in interviews, right, you can go on YouTube 887 01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:55,719 and watch sometimes he's completely incoherent, but when you look at his lyrics, 888 01:04:55,719 --> 01:05:00,199 they're actually kind of steeped in like historical imagery and all kinds of like you 889 01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:03,800 know, Catholic imagery and all kinds of different things that are quite interesting. 890 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:09,320 I guess. Yeah. But so that first sentiment live, I don't remember, 891 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,360 you know, usually they sing two songs and I don't remember what the 892 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,199 other one was, but I remember one was Body of an American, which 893 01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:15,960 is just like that. It's like, I also don't know how he was 894 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,719 writing so beautifully about America and Americans. I guess these are countries that are 895 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:28,079 tied together as well. Anyway, Okay, what are you doing culture? 896 01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:30,559 I'm also kind of bummed that people I grew up listening to are just dying 897 01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:33,480 all the time. You know, David, We're getting up there. Yeah, 898 01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:39,280 I'm definitely getting up there. I told you for the first time. 899 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,920 I wrote this letter this morning to my mayor an angry letter. It's my 900 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,960 first angry I'm like, I do this for a living, but I've never 901 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,960 actually written anyone, so you know, it was just I feel old. 902 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,159 What did I do? Oh? I watched the show you were watching, 903 01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:59,159 which I'm watching the third season of Slow Horses, Oh, which I think 904 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,599 might be the best so far. It is awesome. Yeah, it's really. 905 01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:04,519 First of all, Gary Oldman, so HOLI he's amazing. He is 906 01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:09,239 so amazing, and he's like, I have never seen such range in an 907 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:14,079 actor that character. I love the character. Yeah, I do too. 908 01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:18,000 I love his motivational speeches. It's just the way that he also gives in 909 01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:21,320 to just being a slob, like and looking like a slob and stuff. 910 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:26,280 It's and in this this episode I just watched, he takes his shirt off 911 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,360 and stuff, and he's obviously let himself go, and it's just amazing how 912 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,480 it gets into it. And I know he's done that his whole career. 913 01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:34,360 Like I was thinking, he played Dracula like in the nineties, and he 914 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,360 looked like he was like sixty in that movie and he was still a young 915 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,840 man. He must have just been in his thirties when it did that meant 916 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,760 me, So you know, he's just he's really a good actor. Then 917 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,960 I this is listen, this is going to be tough to talk about for 918 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:54,360 me. But I watched the Dial of Destiny Indiana Jones movie. And you 919 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,679 a fan of the Originals or oh, I've only seen the first three. 920 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,960 I think maybe I saw the fourth. That's you know, that's all you 921 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,280 need to see. So obviously that I remember I was a kid. I 922 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,400 think I was eleven. I went to see Raiders as a lost ark. 923 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,840 It was one of the great moments of my life. I just love that 924 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,159 movie. I've seen it a million times and just did not enjoy this one. 925 01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:16,079 And I read a review and I think it perfectly encapsulates what I'm thinking 926 01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:21,480 about. Thinking about this movie is that it's dutiful but joyless like it was. 927 01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:27,199 You know, it was just a joyless experience for me to watch it, 928 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,239 and I hated that because I loved it as a kid, and I 929 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,400 loved Harrison Ford and you know a lot of the old characters come back. 930 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:38,039 So anyway, so you know, I have these like my handwriting is barely 931 01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:40,880 legible, and I always am like, oh, I need to talk about 932 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,239 this on the podcast, so I'll write it on like a napkin, but 933 01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:46,199 then you can't read what you wrote. I wrote these words Jones, very 934 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:53,360 vic Alloy. I don't know what it is, so anyway, if anyone 935 01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:58,559 can figure that out, Like I'll write something that I'll usually text myself, 936 01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:01,840 Like I'll be out late at night, let's say, and someone will say 937 01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,239 something. I'll text a note so that I don't forget, and then the 938 01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:10,880 next morning like I have literally no idea what this means. Sick exactly. 939 01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:15,279 I used to email them to myself and it was funny because it was d 940 01:08:15,439 --> 01:08:19,399 Harsani at the Denver Post and my boss was D Haley, so it's d 941 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:24,880 J. So I would just these incoherent messages would come to his inbox all 942 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,239 the time, and it was just it was just funny. Okay, I 943 01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:35,199 think that's all I've been doing. Well. I watched this show on Netflix 944 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:44,039 called Fisk. Never heard of it. So it's an Australian show, very 945 01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,640 like low key, about this woman who's gone through a divorce and she's like 946 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,000 a lawyer in Melbourne, Australia. But it's it's a comedy and it's low 947 01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:57,600 key, and I I like it. It's kind of like therapeutic because it 948 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,840 like chills me out after get all worked up about things that are going on. 949 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,079 So I don't know, I would recommend it, but it might not 950 01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:06,000 be for everyone. It's like one of these shows I used to recommend to 951 01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:09,520 you about, like going to Europe and buying a house or whatever. It's 952 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,920 like low key like that. I realized later on they chill me out. 953 01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:16,600 Yeah, Oh okay. Mark Comingway still gets mad, like I'll say, 954 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,319 oh, I mean like when we after we do these and I'll say, 955 01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:21,840 oh, David, David mentioned this thing, and he's like, I thought 956 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:28,640 we covered this already, Like we're not taking david recommendations. When the maddest 957 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,880 he's gotten at me, the angriest he's gotten at me is when I recommended 958 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,479 that show about the Norwegians and like spy show about the Russians and Norwegians. 959 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:41,399 I guy was called he did not like that show. Okay, I don't 960 01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,520 know. I don't know what to tell you. I'm just being honest with 961 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,279 with with you about what I like. I do watch. I still watch 962 01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:53,000 like the Great British Baking Show, like that show I watch that I still 963 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,560 watch Survivor every week when it's on. I did not know what was on 964 01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:03,560 season four, six or five or something. It's dom so I don't mention 965 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:09,760 it. Usually I did do. So you know, Avida are wonderful staff 966 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:14,319 writer. Her parents are Sean Duffy and Rachel Campo Stuffy and I was talking 967 01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:16,960 to her this week and I did one of those like deep dives on them, 968 01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:20,520 and I'm like, I know these people. It's so weird that I 969 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:25,319 watched. I literally watched that when it was on. Oh yeah, I 970 01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:29,920 totally forgot some of this stuff. Anyway, can you remind me? I 971 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,479 should have asked her? But they were they were? Were they on in 972 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,680 the same season? No, not at all. She was on the season 973 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:41,399 two I think, or San Francisco, one of the beginnings. Yeah. 974 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,359 I didn't watch past the second season, I have to say, but that 975 01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,680 was like the first reality show really right in my Yeah. That spawned a 976 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:56,119 great that spawned some great shows and a great romance that resulted in I think 977 01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:00,800 nine beautiful children, of which Avida is the oldest. So so many kids 978 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,720 that when I see the picture I just stop counting because it's too much. 979 01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:06,840 Like that's a lot of kids. I love it. Yeah. And there's 980 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,640 such a light and there's such an attractive family. It's like mind blowing. 981 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:16,520 Yeah, all right, I just want to mention again honestly, we get 982 01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:20,199 Molly, you know. I just don't say this kind of thing if it 983 01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:25,399 weren't true. But we're getting like amazing male, really smart, interesting mail. 984 01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:29,039 So I just want to again remind people that can mail us at d 985 01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,119 oh no, that's my email, says mail what is it radio at the 986 01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:39,159 Federalist dot com. I'm going to cut that out and we'll see you next 987 01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:49,319 week. Until m be lovers of freedom and anxious for the freight Godli