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don't normally talk about where you're located, but your town made news this week
with some light anti semitism some casual anti summitism. Yeah. They in Williamsburg,
Virginia. I guess they have a tradition of lighting a minora around Honikah.
I know, that's like the most important Jewish holiday. It's kidding,
But this year they decided not to because they felt that not being hostile to
Jews would give an impression that they were taking sides between Israel and It's and
Hamas. Is that correct? Well? Yeah, I mean there's this festival
here called the Second Sunday Festival. It's kind of like a holiday thing every
second Sunday. You know, people show up, a lot of tourists,
a lot of William and Mary students and professors, stuff like that, and
they take over a few city blocks and they use public public area to give
a concert in this and that. So every year, you know, the
you know, some kinds of stuff going on, and one of the things
is that Jabad here. I guess they light him an era. And when
they asked to do it this year, the organizer of the festival, whose
name is Shirley Vermilion I think, said that she was concerned a lot of
people were feeling like the festival was going to side with one side or the
other. Well, let me just take a step back and say, you
should definitely be siding not with Hamas in this little conflict here, and that
already is a problem. And she said no to them. And then she
also claimed supposedly that Christian groups had requested to have a little you know,
I don't know what's you know, lighting Christmas, you know, traditional Christmas
candle lightings, I don't know what, and that she had refused them as
well, which I think is a complete lie. The whole place is plastered
with Christmas, as it should be because it is the holiday season. But
then I learned later that she had actually told the Jewish group they could light
the candle if they put a big sign. I mean, I've been making
this up. Put a big sign up over the manora that says, you
know, under a big seas fire banner. So like what, Yeah.
So, first of all, the whole thing is collectively key, you know,
holding people responsible for things that have nothing to do with them. None
of these people are Israeli citizens. They're not in Israel, they're not making
decisions for the Israeli government. They didn't vote for Israeli politicians. And I
kind of do you know, would make the analogy that, you know,
it would be like having a Muslim fest, you know, some kind of
Muslim tradition being upheld there and then saying you know, you know, we
don't want to pick sides with you know, Hamas, or making them have
a sign that says, you know, we we condemn al Qaeda or something.
Of course, it's not a perfect analogy because Israel is on the right
side here, I think at least. But anyway, no, no,
this should be going on. And and so that was it was. It
was quite disappointing because this is actually I mean, I know a lot of
people have visited here and you know, visit here on vacation, but it's
actually a really nice place to live in a you know, really great community
here that values history and you know, it's just a beautiful place to live.
And it was, it was really disappointing. I wrote my first letter
I want you to know, Molly, to a local angry letter to a
local politician this morning, the first time. I'm like, I actually do
this for a living, you know, but I've never actually written a politician
a letter. Next thing, you know, I'm going to go vote,
but actually I should go vote against the mayor if he doesn't stop this.
Yes, you should vote. Oh my gosh, So what was Did it
just go over without notice in Williamsburg or did people speak out against it?
I don't, actually, I you know, I read I read the local
stories, and I don't there's other than the rabbi. I think that.
I think some business gave them a space to do it, you know.
But for me, the point isn't really that. The point is that you
have someone who takes over half the village, you know, the old colonial
village down there where people live, there's a library, there's all kinds of
stuff going on, and gets to use those you know, uses those streets
and so on, and that that person is excluding certain religions from participating in
it. I mean, I don't. I couldn't if this was if she
was doing this to Muslims, it would be a massive national story. It's
just it's just unconscionable that anyone would allow it, or that the government would
allow And I don't want to stop privacisms from doing what they want, but
they're taking over the public space and streets. So I didn't see much pushback
really, honestly, here, But who you know, who knows what's going
on. We'll see if my letter to the mayor is answered anyway, But
thank you for bringing that up. I hope, I hope that people you
know, really pressure this group to change. What change to me? I
don't really even know, you know, at this point, I just think
the woman's an anti Semite and the board or anti Semite. So did you
see the protest in Philadelphia where a group of quote unquote pro Palestinian folks went
to a small business owned by an Israeli born restaurateur and then started chanting like
just because he's Jewish, started protesting him in Philadelphia. That was a little
scary. Yeah, it's gross. I mean it's just a mob showing up
in a business. The guy happens to be Israeli did and you know,
he has nothing to do with the con Again, these people, there's two
things here. One is you're on the wrong side in general. But the
second thing is these people have nothing to do tons of these pro tests.
They're always lashing out, or there's graffiti or vandalism at you know, or
protest aimed at Jewish people or Jewish institutions or temples or whatever. It just
shows you what a lot of this protest movement is actually about. Yeah,
it's pretty I think it seem scared. I wish that Jewish people would organize
and stand up to these bullies. But I have to say, it is
really disconcerting to see this happen in the United States. It's something honestly,
I never thought I would see, right I do you know, I strongly
believe that people have free speech rights and the right to protest, and so
I have also been a little bit worried about people acting like there is no
right to do this. At the same time, this is pretty horrifying.
It's not completely surprising given you know, two things. One the particular nature
of the immigration, like the demographics of what our immigration has been like in
recent decades. And then I would say, even more importantly, how our
society, beginning with academic institutions, have completely failed at the project of uniting
people around common ideas about what it means to be an American. That's a
really good point. I was way too optimistic about assimilation in this country with
certain you know. Let me put it this way. I wrote a book
recently, You're a Treasure, and I talk about the differences in assimilation here
in America, and I still think most of that is true. People assimilate
here better, especially economically people from the Middle East and so on. But
there's more than economics, as you like to point out, in the world.
And because we have no real civic education here, because the left actually
is again, it sort of pushes back or undermines our ability to I do
assimilarly people into American ideals. This is what you have and this is actually
this is the result of it. Yeah. Sorry, I just realized we
do have civic education. We have assimilated people into a particular way of approaching
our country. These people have very much been assimilated into hatred of this country.
And it also has joined with the like non immigrant groups in that like
they're oh, yeah, it's not a failure of assimilation. It's like,
what are you being assimilated into. It's successful leftist assimilation, right, I
guess, or Marxist assimilation. Excuse me? Yeah, And I shouldn't say
I actually blame the American left mostly for this, not immigrants as much.
Like I was reading this biography because he just died of Henry Kis syndrome.
When he first came here. I think it was ten or twelve years old.
He went to school. He was immediately you know, learned English media.
He was thrown into you know, these classes that taught him about the
Constitution and everything else. And for whatever you think about him or don't,
he, I believe loved this country and understood why we existed. Where I
don't know that young people today actually know that. How many people do think
have read the Constitution? Not that long of a document. And yet there's
like this joke in the conservative judicial community that a good first step to being
a constitutional lawyer is to read the Constitution. It's something a lot of people
don't do. It's a lot of people don't care about. Do you think
it would matter? Like, let me give you a quick example. Everyone's
like, you, you know, we don't teach about the Holocaust. Now,
then people wouldn't be anti semitic. But that's not true. We do
teach about the Holocaust. People still are. In fact, there are studies
that show that people become more anti Semitic when you teach them about the Holocaust.
They viewed Jews as victims, et cetera. Do you think the same
thing would happen. If I told people about the Constitution, they're just like,
it's an old document written by white men. It's not just how having
people read it or having people learn the history. It's the values that are
infused therein that matter both for both situations. You know, there are people
who think the Holocaust was a good thing, So teaching them about the Holocaust,
teaching people with value, teaching people in a way that does not challenge
their values there is not going to do anything. And likewise, people might
know that the Constitution exists and view it as a barrier to their goals.
So these things about teaching people tolerance and getting along with other people who disagree
with you, about how free speech enables people to find the truth and how
important that is for each American, these are things that can be taught in
a much better way. They're not being I mean, they're just not happening
right now. Like I went to a modern Orthodox high school right Shiva,
and it was the we were always saying prayers for a United States the troops,
Like it was a very patriotic there. And I'm not you know,
maybe this isn't always the case. I don't know, But when you saw
pro Israel marches going on. There's a lot of like first of all,
they're peaceful, but moreover there's American flags as well. There's like a love
of America. People who love Israel usually love America and Israel they love America
also. Obviously we give him a lot of stuff. But I don't feel
that that that happens when you see one of these pro so called Palestinian marches
at all. I see the opposite, and you know, I just you
know, it's a big problem when you look at post because younger people seem
to be gravitating in that direction, you know. So you know the history
of the Pledge of Allegiance and how it was written by a big progressive Ralph
Bellamy. Yeah, and it kind of like started It's not something that our
country started with. I never really loved bad things to say, but you
know, like it just seemed weird that we were doing it. I was
coming out of libertarians circles where you know, I had all the arguments against
it, and then my children went to a religious school where they pledged allegiance
to the flag each day, and I realized how wonderful and important this is
to teach people how to be little citizens and how that helps a country flourish,
and it helps them get along with people they disagree with. You know,
if they stand and do the pledge in public schools every day for all
classes, they still do it. Highly doubt it. I have never sent
my child to a public school government school, so I'm not sure, but
I highly doubt it. I mean highly, highly highly doubt it. I
bet even in super red areas they're not doing it. But maybe our listeners
can enlighten us it is. I've always been slightly annoyed by the pledge as
well, but you know, I still think it's a good thing. You're
standing for the flag, you're all doing it together, no matter what your
opinions are, et cetera. But it's the same thing with like the new
Colossus or whatever that one is on the Statue of Liberty and stuff like this,
Like people who don't care about the Constitution or separation of church and state,
you know that, you know, or whatever, they sort of grab
onto these ideas that aren't actually in the Constitution and make and elevate them above
like the Bill of Rights, you know, or whatever, and or like
diversity is our strength or whatever kind of you know, tropes or platitudes.
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do want to say my interest in patriotism was sparked through an unlikely source I
believe, which is Charles Murray. I think it was an AI speech son.
AI used to used to be better. First of all, this think
tank in DC, and they used to have an Irving Crystal lecture where someone
would give like a real lecture about something important and then you would have a
fancy dinner and you'd have dancing. And now they do Q and a's,
which are It's kind of just sad how society, how society has like diminished
in this. Really I love Q and a's. Now no Q and A.
Would sh you'd rather do if your speak? Would you rather give a
speech than do Q and A? Because I enjoy Q and A. Of
course I would rather do a Q and A it's very easy to respond to
questions. It takes a lot of energy to put together a speech, and
there are things that happen in speeches that don't happen. So, for instance,
Charles Krauthammer gave infamously his speech arguing that there needed to be a new
way of doing foreign policy, which was to spread democracy. He said,
and I don't think he meant it as a joke, that this was a
very modest thing that would only happen from North Africa to Afghanistan. And it
was a really interesting iteration of Bush foreign policy and very wrong. And you
can go back and look at this speech and see how wrong it is.
And one of my favorite things about it is that he looks at all of
the critiques from the realists who are saying, I don't think we should invade
Rock, I don't think the case has been made for this, and I
don't think it's a good idea, and he kind of goes through what their
arguments are and he's like, maybe they're right, Like, maybe they're right.
We have to acknowledge that as possible, but shouldn't we just try this?
And I love you know, like okay, so we tried. It
didn't go so well. What are the lessons we're learning? Apparently the lesson
we learned is to have the same people who did a bad job with that
strategy run our strategy in the war in Ukraine, which, incidentally, the
Washington Post has an amazing piece all about recriminations. It looks like Mark Millie,
the man who I just want to sorry, I'm doing tangent after Tan.
That's what we're here. Mark Milly is this guy who said and admitted,
like confessed that he repeatedly called his Chinese counterparts and told them that he
would undermine civilian control of the military in the United States and warn them if
we were ever to attack them. Had he confessed to this? And I
was thinking about this because a memo went out this past weekend to all the
Sunday shows to complain that Trump complained about this, and they're like, he
said that, he said that treason had a death penalty associated with it,
and that having you know, and that and that this guy calling the Chinese
to warn them about our war plans was treeson this. It's like what the
word means, you know, like text mark example there right, Like it's
and it's not just about warning your enemies about your plans. It's also about
it's a violation of one of the most important things we have in this country,
which is civilian control of the military. You know, the people control
the military. The military doesn't control the people anyway, Mark Milly, Lloyd
Austin. They go to the Washington Post and they complain that, like,
the whole failure of Ukraine wasn't that they didn't have a really smart strategy,
and that they never should have been egging Ukraine to take on Russia. They
were admitting that it's been a failure, but they were saying, really,
it's the Ukrainian's fault, which just seemed kind of uncool to me, that
we're making Ukraine do all this and then we're blaming them after they've lost like
one hundred and fifty thousand lives. Okay, the lesson learned from the Charles
Crowdhammer speech is to just keep letting these people run foreign policy. Apparently that's
the lesson that DC took. Normal people say we shouldn't. Okay, So
Charles Murray is giving one of these lectures. I really like Charles Murray,
do you yeah? Okay? So He's talking about the importance of patriotism,
and for some reason, the fact that it was a libertarian opened my mind
to being more receptive to it. And he was even talking about I think
this was that speech. It might have been a different one, the difference
between like the Declaration and the Constitution, and how there are these things like
that are deep within you, that explain who you are as a people,
and the importance of teaching these things. And I realized we are doing a
horrific job with patriotism. And this was, however, many years ago,
and when there was some like you know, situation with the NFL. This
is like far before the insanity of the BLM riots, and someone was claiming
that they wouldn't they were kneeling for the flag. I don't know if it
was Colin Kaepernick or someone else. And Trump had said something about how like
really bad this was, and I remember it was like Stephen Hayes or someone
like that on Special Report was defending the NFL or other people for not being
patriotic, and it just struck me as like a weird moment. Patriotism is
important, this cohesiveness is important. You now have things coming out showing that
like a ton of people don't want to fight for their country. Well why
would they? What is their country? We're told that it's not really anything.
We don't have borders, we don't have ideas that we all share.
So, yeah, I have three things to say about what you just said.
First of all, the moment, I call myself a classic liberal because
I even though the shorthand is libertarian, I knew I wasn't a libertarian when
I realized that libertarianism was sort of like Marxism and its universal ideals, meaning
like people, real libertarians don't believe in borders and countries and things like that.
They see everything through the economic lens, nothing through sort of city,
you know, nation states or whatever. Really, that's why many don't want
a border. And you know all that. I'm a big fan of immigration,
but I think that a country has a right to control and do its
best for its future with that immigration, whether it means bringing in people they
need or want, et cetera. You know, that's the first thing.
The second thing I wanted to say was, yeah, I kept at some
point in our world, and I think it happened after gen X, but
maybe during gen X people got this idea that protesting was like the highest form
of patriotism, rather than maybe having a family, following the rules, you
know, paying your taxes, being a good citizen, helping your community in
some way, Like the highest form of patriotism was protesting about something, and
then that became like disrespecting the flag was the highest form of protest, right
or patriotism. So now if I'll say, like, you know, this
person isn't is kneeling when the flag goes up, and then they're going to
pretend, yeah, that's what America is about, you know, you know,
disrespecting the flag or fighting the authorities or this and that. And meanwhile,
these same people, of course want huge state control or you know about
on everything we do, including speech and the economy. So I think there's
just this warp sense of what America is about now and people. And I
blame a lot of this on the progressive movement, and Barack Obama tried to
change the for the first time. Wilson did it too, but changed what
patriots meant in America used to be some kind of shared values between right and
left. So yeah, we had our arguments, but you know, we
shared a couple of value speech, you know, to process, yeah,
constitution generation and now like think about it. They you know, if they
don't, if they would look like I see constantly like, oh but Trump
lost the popular vote or this one. There is no such thing as the
popular vote. It's not They want to change that. They want to change
how the Supreme Court works, they want to destroy it. They want to
change senators. A lot of Democrats don't believe that to senators for state thing
is a good idea. They want direct democracies. And when you say,
actually, we're not a democracy, we're a public they laugh at you.
It's so jejune and naive. If you're so you know, you're so ridiculous
when you mentioned that. So like, even the most basic things that we
are are rejected by the left. Right now. I don't have any idea
how we got here from Williamsburg, but it's awesome, I know. Also
on that democracy thing, we have the people who claim that they are super
democratic. You've even in the name of their party, the Democrat Party,
are literally trying to remove Donald Trump from the ballot, which is an incredibly
anti democratic operation by definition, to say people do not get to vote for
the person that they want to. They are trying to imprison their political opponent.
Very anti democratic and right now they are Now there seems to be like
a coordinated media operation to claim that if Donald Trump we're elected, he would
do to other people what they're doing to him, and therefore he's worse than
Hitler. Have you followed this at all? I just want to say,
I'm so impressed by that segue. It's amazing. You're amazing. So you're
a professional. Yeah, I have, because we talked about it. Sorry,
So let me give you a little bit of a background on this.
So, so the Atlantic magazine, which is sort of like I don't know
what to actually, you know, Stephen Miller, not the government guy,
but like the funnier funny guy. Yeah, he said that. I think
he said that The Atlantic is like Salon with an inside voice, which always
made me laugh. So they have a they have a full issue and it
says if Trump wins, and it's got David from an Apple but on and
on all their writers talking about how Trump is going to be a dictator.
And apparently the word went out because I pulled up it was a long opinion
piece by Robert Kagan in The Washington Post the other day. A Trump dictatorship
is increasingly increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending, and you know, on
and on. There were a few other similar pieces in the Washington Post actually,
and I think one in the New York Times. So the main concern
that many of them have, which he just alluded to or mentioned, was
that Donald Trump's going to do exactly what they've been to, which makes me
laugh. I actually believe Trump rhetorically, at least for sure, has kind
of an authoritarian air. I'm sorry I do. But the problem is he
actually did nothing like that when he was president as far as I can tell,
whereas Joe Biden has abused the Justice Apartment, for instance, alone has
gone after all kinds of political enemies from traditional Catholic you know people too,
people who protest school boards all the way to lead life to Trump. All
of Donald Trump say, it's yeah, it's full on dictator style. So
if I care about so called democracy, which really only means to Democrats whatever
you know, policy they support, I would be very disturbed about that,
and I would mention it before I started talking about Donald Trump, right,
I would say, listen, we have a real, really bad let's say
you hate Donald Trump. We have a really bad choice here because he's going
to do what Joe Biden has done and that's going to be horrible. But
they never take it to that logical conclusion, and it drives me bananas.
So I have a bunch of things that drive me bananas about this first off
is kind of how we're being drives me bananas. So we just described a
Justice Department and a president who are violating every norm. Who are who are
running the country as if we are the Soviet Union, who are making a
mockery of our elections, are who are trying to handle political disputes in the
worst way possible. And it's not just Biden and the Justice Department, it's
basically democrats up and down the Eastern seaboard. In New York, you had
someone run for office claiming that she would figure out a way to punish Donald
Trump for having different politics than she has. And the way she did it
is to say he took a loan, he paid a loan, and everyone
was happy, and somehow this means they're going to take his business away from
him and his family Like this, This is the kind of thing that would
make Vladimir Putin blush and be like, hey, guys, I think we're
being a little bit too much here, And not only are like, not
only is nobody saying anything like not only are no Democrats saying thing? No
one in the media is acting like this as a horrific violation of people's rights.
They're just sort of like cheering it on, and they're covering as covering
it as if it's no big deal. And then we now say, like,
oh, they're saying Donald Trump would be hitler if he did what they're
doing. But what I don't hear anyone saying is that are they get mad
at the rhetoric being targeted toward Republicans or Donald Trump, but they don't actually
identify what's going on on the other side, Like say what you want about
the not completely competent Joe Biden. Every time he's in front of a microphone,
he's like, bad maga republican, Bad maga republican. What's the phrase
that Mitch McConnell has had his people go out and say, I think it
might also be bad maga republican. Like there's nobody coming out and saying like
Democrats are destroying the country like that. You just want to clarity with the
way people are talking and also remembering like how we got here. It's not
by elect I mean, partly by electing Republicans, I get it, but
very much by electing Democrats the way that they're governing governing things. Yeah,
dorms are done. There are no norms. No one cares about norms anymore.
I think it is indisputable. I would debate anyone on this that more
norms were just destroyed by the Biden administration and the Obama administration, by Donald
Trump administration. I don't actually think it's very close. The Biden, for
instance, abuses his executive power in ways that Trump. I don't think ever
imagined that he could do all the things that Trump did. When he did,
in my view, abuse executive power, Barack Obama had done ten times
over. Like, it wasn't even close. I have one, I have
a thing that I don't like that he did. But what are you thinking
of specifically? Well, I didn't like his wall funding thing, for instance,
because I think he circumvented he was clearly circumventing legislative will. It's not
up to him to make two funds, you know, that's Congress's it's Congress
that funds a wall, not him. That was one that I remember that
made me angry. But there was another. Oh yeah, his mortgage.
His uh, he forgot what did he do with renters? And and he
did something where he just completely like through executive power. Did I think he
like delayed rental pays or something. I forget what it was, but it
was some executive order I didn't like. But there were a few I didn't
like. I mean, he's just like any other president, doesn't. I
just want to say, on the on the wall thing, I do think
that that was an open constitutional question and I totally respect. I think I
think I agree with you on that front. I remember Ben Sass wrote his
reason for why he didn't have a problem with it constitutionally, But my point
just being there there's a debate there. For me personally, the thing that
I think was awful was the bump stock Oh yeah, the bump stock band
through executive order. Yeah, I just I thought that was really good.
But like, it's kind of interesting, given the outsize rhetoric about Donald Trump,
how like relative to other presidents, there's there are far fewer examples of
this and I would even include, you know, with George W. Bush,
Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and yet like only one of those people
gets usually named as being a problem because there's a moral opponent for the left
that allows him to do anything if it's right. It's a very Unamerican way
to look at the world, honestly. So let me give you an example.
The student loan forgiveness thing. It's popular, he's going to do it.
He literally, the president is breaking existing contracts, money that has been
spent by the people who borrowed that money, and simply taking that debt and
making tax payers pay it. Like that's what he's trying to do. That
is completely authoritarian. It is against property rights, it's against contracts, it's
against everything the Constitution says you're supposed to be doing in that kind of situation.
Okay, So back to this Atlantic, Washington Post, New York Times,
every single Sunday talk show is that all got a memo? I just
want to say, it's always weird when everybody does something at the same time,
particularly in years after we experienced, for instance, the Russia collusion scam,
where everybody started at the same time running an information up that clearly came,
you know, like in a non organic fashion. So everyone's gone with
this like Trump is hitler thing, and we're pointing out that part of the
problem there is that they're describing potential behavior that they are engaged in right now,
and they don't have a problem with the thing is, though, when
they're talking this way, it's hard to view it as something other than they
are preparing for extremely dramatic action to be taken against Republicans. When you say
someone is hitler, as Robert Kagan did in the pages of the Washington Post,
what you're saying is it's okay to kill this person. I mean,
I think we should just speak very clearly. When the Atlantic is saying the
Atlantic which ran the Russia collusion hoax, which has run all sorts of scams
that have destroyed the country. When they say the worst threat in the history
of mankind is a second Trump administration, they're saying, what are you going
to do about it? When everyone in the media all adopt the same talking
points from the same like sort of of the same information op, it seems
like they are trying to expand the range of possibilities because they've run out of
ways to take care of their political problem. They tried arresting. I mean
they're going to arrest he's he's going to be convicted. I mean there,
yeah, he will be convicted here before the next election. And they are
shocked that the response to this from the American people is, well, we
have to vote for him. Like did you see Tucker Carlson was talking about
this, how he was like not even necessarily a huge Trump fan, how
he was totally open minded to any number of possibilities for the next presidential election.
And then the moment Joe Biden rated mar A Lago, it was like,
it's over. I have to vote for this person. I have to
not just vote for him, I have to do everything in my power.
And it was such like an obvious point because you can see this in polling
and other otherwise. It's an obvious point that a lot of Americans are like,
I don't know much, but I know we can't allow this. And
it explains why, you know, for instance, Rhonda Santis has had a
tough go of things, because it just that you might really like Rhonda Santis,
you might like vi Vike Ramaswami, you might like Chris Christy well,
if you like Chris Christy, there's no helping you. But you're looking at
the destruction of a once great nation and you have and you don't have many
options other than like voting for this guy. Well, I don't buy that
last thing. I don't want to argue about it right now. We'll talk
about it another time. I don't think I need to vote for Donald Trump
to change this great nation. I think you're going to write op eds,
but I will say this, so let me go back to your original point.
You did say something there about assassination that people probably people might think it's
a little over the top. I think they might think that. I just
want to say this though, So imagine now, what would you do if
you needed to to stop Hitler? Right? Like I would go back in
time and I'd shoot him in the face, right, or shoot the baby
Hitler in the face like I do it. Right. So, you remember
the semi fascism speech that Biden gave and all like behind the in front of
the red front chromis the blood red marine, the blood red marine flanked like
kill them speech. Yes, so if you're and basically the whole left wings
argument, they don't really debate issues anymore is that this is fascism and we
have to stop it. So that that's why norms are so easily broken now,
because to stop fascism, to stop Hitler, you would do basically and
you could do anything, and it's justified. And that is such a dangerous
way to approach this. And yet there's no debate we don't have. There's
no debate we don't we have right now in this country where where it's not
fascism versus you know, the light of democracy. So yeah, I mean,
I don't think anyone's going to assassinate him, but I do think that
I wouldn't be surprised if they would engage in completely, you know, using
completely undemocratic means to try to stop him, which they have already in a
way now, just to go back a little bit before twenty twenty, I
don't know if people remember this. You know, everyone always remembers what Trump
did. I think he acted recklessly, et cetera, et cetera. But
there was a thing called the Transition Integrity Project. Do you remember this thing?
It was like a sort of democray. Yeah, it was a war
game that democrats engaged in, and what they would do if they lost the
election, if they lost the popular vote. That's what it said. If
you lose the popular vote, it's a democratic crisis, even though the Constitution
has no popular vote. So the plan for them was to send pro buying
electors to you know, to undermine the results in electric college, just like
you know Republicans were talking about. But then the next step in the plan
was for states like California, Oregon, and Washington to secede from the Union.
And then here's a Ben Smith quote. At that point in this scenario,
the nation stopped looking to the media for cues and waited to see what
the military would do. Like this is the sort of thing they're talking about
when it comes to Trump and because and then Trump, like a you know,
like an idiot, uses words like vermin in my opinion, stupid,
and they're pretending he's hitler. But when Democrats talk about the military getting involved
in an election, no one even bats an eye. No one even has
a problem with that. I mean, there's something seriously wrong with these They're
not These people are authoritarians, I do think when they're saying so, So
I'm glad you brought up what their plans were to overthrow the twenty twenty election
if they lost. I think that's an important thing that hasn't been mentioned.
And also the Atlantic was part of that. All these same people who are
speaking in very dramatic ways right now were part of those tabletop planning exercises.
And when they say if Trump is elected, he will do this or he
will do that, I view it as straight projection. They're saying what they
will do even worse in the in the second term, and people should understand
it as such. I don't. I don't really like. I don't like
when people use dehumanizing language. So I don't disagree with you, but I
don't actually see why people are so upset about. Like when Joe Biden as
president is out there calling for the destruction of people like me. I took
offense at that nobody in the media did his very frightening authoritarian speech where he
was angry and screaming and he was like it was drenched in red and he
had the Marines there, and it was sort of like I have the military,
and you people disgusted me, and you are you are destroying the country
and whatever you know. But like when I look at pro hamas rioters in
the streets who are threatening the very existence of the country in terms of like
the way they're talking about the they're opposed to religious tolerance, or the way
that they are seeking out Jews for targeting. When I look at BLM rioters
who are destroying police stations and attacking federal courthouses and the White House and stuff
like this, and doing it in an ongoing and sustained fashion, I think
it's okay to use strong rhetoric against people like this. No, yeah,
listen, I'm old fashioned. I just don't think the president should do,
you know, or presidential candidates should use words like that. I think they're
garbage and vermin. But you know what I don't. Yeah, we talk
about sorry, Yeah, another bad word thing. Because I was thinking about
this, I don't want to say it, and I don't even want to
like allude to it necessarily. But Elon Musk with his language. Did you
see what he said about the advertising in Disney. Yeah, like, if
people are going to try to blackmail them, blackmail him with money, they
should anatomically do something to themselves that is not possible. And I wish there
were a to say that that was not crass. I don't know if you
can. I was talking about it with some people on Twitter because some people
are like, I love what he said, but I don't like the the
bad things you see for him. I think it's fine because I always wondered
about this when I was even when I was young. Why, like people
who are super rich are so worried about their how people perceive them, Like
you already have more money than you'll ever need, you could ever spend,
like you should be able to just be freed. And Elon is like the
first really rich person I think that has ever done this in my life lifetime
that I know of. You know, he's just a few like what are
you going to how are you? What are you going to do to him?
There's nothing you can really do to it. Well, But you also
saw Dana White. Jobsana White had a pro Trump video up on his side
or something. He said, a big advertiser came to him and told him
he should take it down, and he told them to anatomically do something to
themselves that is not possible. And then I also saw Tucker speaking about pressure
that he's received and saying the same thing. I like the sentiment, and
I want to make it like a thing, but I don't want bad words
in my house. It is interesting to me because I live my life in
many liberal areas, so I don't exactly know how it goes what goes on
in red states exactly, But there is this idea that the left can always
like put bump, you know, can proudly talk about whatever they want,
but conservatives speak in the secret language you know, at work or whatever because
they don't want others to to be you know, to hate them, or
or you know, because they're conservative or things like that. But yeah,
I'm I'm you know, listen, even if you don't like Trump, people
should be able to support them and not worry about their livelihood. That seems
also very Unamerican to me. But it can quickly just go back to one
thing you said about that Biden's speech and how angry he was and everything.
All the things that he's talking about that are supposedly facistic aren't fascistic at all.
He's talking about supposed voting rights, he's talking about abortion. He's talking
you know, which which we're given the right to de side what abortion policy
will be was given back to the people in a vote which is more democratic
than Roe v. Wade, and all these issues, none of them are
fascistic in any way. If you want to argue that you think Donald Trump
won't leave the White House or whatever, fine, you can call that authoritarian
if you like. But I don't know that. I think on the net,
total of his administration and what went on was actually helpful to freedom and
helpful to the Constitution, especially the Court than the reverse. So I don't
even really can never understand what exactly they think is actual fascism other than sort
of some esthetic quality that Donald Trump has. Right, Yeah, I remember
back when Jonah Goldberg's brain hadn't broken, he was joking that people use the
word fascism to describe like a mean dad. You know, it sounds like
you're in college, you're hanging out the dorm and you call your dad a
fascist because you won't give you all the money that you want. That's kind
of how the that's kind of how the left see was to use the term.
In my view, And if Donald Trump is a is this fascist?
Why didn't he institute fascism during his first term? Oh? Now, how
is it going to institute fascism in his second term? That was he was
unable to do in his first term. I guess I need to read The
Atlantic from cover to cover. Someone was saying that if you read the Robert
Kagan, Trump is hitler, so you should kill him peace in the Washington
Post, but you read it like slightly different. Like you read it it
almost reads like an advertisement for Trump, like if he were re elected,
he would actually get stuff done that he failed to do in the first term.
Like do you remember the great moment during the debate with Hillary, one
of the great moments where he says, you'd be in jail. I don't
remember exactly how that. Yeah, I know what you're talking about it.
Yeah, but you know, of course, once he's elected and his supporters
are like, yeah, let's like finally hold the Clinton people accountable for their
lawbreaking and whatnot. And instead he says he's Donald Trump says, yeah,
I know, I said that, But actually it's not good to settle political
differences using the Justice Department. And I think, you know, like the
proper thing to do when you win is to just let things go. And
so I'm not going after Hillary Clinton. This is the man who's going to
institute a reign of terror. Like really, and then compare that with Biden,
who's like I eked out an election by completely gaming the system by changing
hundreds of laws and processes, sometimes constitutionally, sometimes not, by getting the
world's wealthiest men to get together and run get out the vote operations in the
blue areas of swing states, by running a censorship attack where I personally,
on an international stage said something I knew that was a lie, that I
claimed that the Russians had created my son's laptop. I lied about my involvement
in the family business. And I was able to eke out a victory.
And what I'm gonna do in response is criminalize anyone questioning that victory. And
I'm going to put my opponents in prison for the rest of their lives,
and I'm gonna take their companies, and I'm gonna, you know, That's
what I'm gonna do. And we're supposed to be worried about the guy who
wouldn't even go after Hillary Clinton. Really, huh, I'm worried about everyone,
But let me say this, I'm definitely more worried about about the left
right now. But I was reading one of these pieces. I forget which
one it was, but They do this all the time, and it makes
me laugh when I read it. They have this excited language when they're talking
about completely normal things that every administration ever has done. Like, you know
what Donald Trump's going to do when he gets into power again, when he
snatches power again, He's going to put his own partisans into positions of power
throughout the White House. But I'm not even joking. Yes, so like
he's going to put his own people in the Justice Departy, He's gonna put
his own do they know how the executive like they think that they have a
special set of rules that they get to use, and then when people they
dislike are in power, they have a special set of rules. But let
me also say this about Ron DeSantis, just because you mentioned it before.
If Rond de Santis was winning this primary, if he was up, if
Donald Trump wasn't running, they would be saying the same stuff about him because
they have said the same stuff about him. They've called him a fascist over
and over again, which is in insane because not even his rhetoric is like
that, and not even his disposition is like that. I don't know.
The Coke Network, which used to be known as kind of like a libertarian
big donor thing in Doris s Nicky Haley noted Neo Khan over Ronda Santis,
they'd already announced that they hate Donald Trump, I think in like twenty eighteen.
But on the note of Ronda Santis, did you watch his debate with
Gavin Newsom your segras of Soga today? Yeah? I did. I watched
it. Listen. I've explained I explained this to the people other people we
work with, colleagues. I don't understand the American people or the electorate,
so I don't know what they like. Sometimes I'm like, this is amazing
and no one cares. I thought he killed it against Newsom, you know,
just on policy. I just, you know, first of all,
the juxtaposition of what's going on in California and what's going on in Florida.
I just don't I think he had the leg up there automatically. But I
just I thought he had a real good command of like the issues and stuff
like that, and Newsom, I guess this is part of it. I
knew that Newsom was quite often lying about what he was saying. And I'm
not sure everyone who you know watches just because I get to do this for
a living, you know, you know, and I follow it, knew
that he was lying, but I think that Newsom was quite hurt by that.
I just don't see him as the you know, the savior that the
many in the Democratic Party think that he might be. How'd you see it?
So let me just first off say that after was it the second debate?
I think it was where Rond de Santis was fine but not great.
He later went on Trace Gallagher's show and it was like one on one with
him and he was fantastic. And I actually sent a note to some people
in the campaign or affiliated like they should. And that was also the night
they announced he would be debating Gavin Newsom. I think or was right around
them, and I was like, he does really well in one on one
in a way that he just doesn't when it's a sea of people on stage,
and he should try and do as many of those as possible. So
my first thought is this is good for Ron DeSantis. It's also good for
the country when people debate when they're not debating for campaign reasons exclusively, Like
I just wish we had more people willing to debate. I'm the governor of
New Hampshire. I'm the governor of Arkansas. We're going to debate the best
way to do things, like I would love much more of that. I
think would be good, healthy for the people. And having said that,
I also thought DeSantis like utterly destroyed Gavin Newsom in every way. On substance,
Yeah, on substance. The weird thing about Newsom is and I know
all politicians lie, and I'm always like the last person to make a big
deal about that, but his form of lying to me seemed particularly insidious.
And it's like he embraced lying like he was George Santos or Joe Biden,
almost like he just it was one with him. The lies were one with
him, and he would say things that were on their face absurd, but
he would say it with conviction. And I think we are a dumb enough
country that that kind of works. And I was talking to my mom afterward,
and she did very much like how Ron DeSantis did, but she said
it almost reminded her of that Nixon Kennedy debate where everyone who listened on the
radio thought Nixon won and everyone who watched thought Kennedy had won. She's worried
that Gavin is too slick. The fact that Gavin's team came out and claimed
it was a rigged debate tells you that they don't think they won. But
my mom was worried about that exactly. I mean, this might be that
might be the race in twenty twenty eight, right, I don't know,
it might be, you know, it might not be. But you know
why that debate was also Listen, I'm not a huge fan of debates like
this at all anyway, Yeah, I mean, but it was better than
the GOP debates, where people are kind of I don't know, manufacturing disagreement
sometimes, you know, because a lot of them basically agree on most things,
you know, in the big picture, so it's becomes sort of personal
or you know, there's a lot of personal attacks, which are entertaining enough,
but I don't think they you know, they don't do anything I think
to move people, like dunking on someone doesn't I don't think move people that
much. But anyway, so they manufacture these disagreements. It's kind of personal
and most often you know, useless, and I think the when it becomes
when the moderators loose control, people like Ron DeSantis probably don't do very well
in that kind of, you know, situation, they like much more contained
and orderly kind of debate. I think that there they shine more there,
and that's probably why the one on ones are better for him. Actually,
it reminds me of during COVID when the Supreme Court has stopped hearing arguments early.
They did them by zoom and or whatever, by whatever the equivalent of
that is. And so normally when you do oral arguments it's just kind of
a free for all at the end, where different justices like harangue the advocates
for one side or the other, well what would happen here and what would
happen there? And Clarence Thomas hates that. He thinks it's rude, disrespectful,
that it's like show voting. He has talked about his hatred for this.
He once went ten years without asking a single question in oral argument,
like literally ten years, that's how rarely he does it. But during this
phase they would actually just go down the line where different people where they would
just go by order of seniority asking questions. So the Chief always has the
most seniority, then the justice who's been on the bench the longest, which
is Clarence Thomas, so he was always the second person to ask questions and
he did a masterful job. There were all these people, like even the
lefty justices would constantly go well at this point raised by Justice Thomas, could
you dig a little here or there? And stories were written about it because
people were in shock because they'd always had this sort of racially tinged like disparagement
of Clarence Thomas for not asking questions, and it turned out he just wanted
orderly questions. And I think about this sometimes with Rond de Santis. People
call him autistic. I do kind of think he has a bit of the
autist in him, as do I, So I'm no judgment there, but
I also just really get the sense he's kind of introvert, just an introvert
like Justice Thomas. And being an introvert doesn't mean you don't you're not like
big in personality or anything like that, but it does make some of these
things very uncomfortable. He seems to do really well with the one on one
debating, but not with the rest of them. Yeah, I think that's
right. I'm very sympathetic to it as well. I don't you know,
I just feel like I'm a little bit like him in the in real world.
I mean, I think he's more more impressive in many ways. But
I just feel like, yeah, right, that reminds me. I was
complaining about the bought armies for disantish and they still are really not great,
but I had noticed a slight improvement where there are some who are I don't
even know why I brought this up. I was like, I need to
I need to remember to say this on the podcast, and then it just
like went away. Just general positivity is attractive. That's all I would say.
Being a positive person is attractive to a lot of people. I have
to say, since you brought it up, just a quick comment on being
on Twitter is just that it is. It's starting to remind me again of
twenty sixteen, where there was just so much anti Semitic stuff thrown. I
mean, like I am not that affected by it because I think most of
it's just anonymity, people saying the worst thing that they can come up with,
or you know, targeting you. But it's so swampy in there these
days that it's getting it's getting pretty ugly there. But I don't know,
and that's just appreciated to Lee. Yeah, Oh my gosh. There's others.
There's other like progressive people mostly, but some on the right, and
it's just like they've been given license now to say whatever they want. They
just put the Zionist in for Jew and they go for it, you know,
which I sort of appreciate that we can be honest about stuff. Finally
are almost honest. But it's just I sound like, you know, I
don't want to say, sound like a sensitive soul, but it makes me
sad that it's happening, you know, it makes me sad that these people
are out there. It makes me sad to see how many people follow them,
how many people retweet them, how many people defend them, because we
should have a sort of you know, a basement of morality that we don't
go beneath them. We're beneath it now. So for a lot of people.
Yeah, so, but well on that issue, on that issue,
and unfortunately quite a few others as well. Yeah. Just I've asked you
this almost probably every podcast for the last few months. But so do you
think that Desanta says Odds got any better you know here? Or is it
the same or like no, I think I think it's kind of cooked.
But I am always open to different ways of thinking. So I will say
I noticed again you can you can kind of tell when like messages go out.
It seemed like recently the idea was for all the dysantis stands to say
that they think they're going to win the Iowa caucuses, sort of like Project
Optimism. I actually think this is a smart thing to do. The only
downside is you look like a complete idiot if you don't win. But a
lot of people forget such things anyway. And I will also say caucuses are
weird in that, you know, if you've ever gone to one, you
know you'd like go in with an intent to vote for someone, and different
people make a pitch, and so you can have more movement than in a
traditional voting booth situation. I like caucauses for that reason. They're more communal,
and you know, people kind of talking things out. I do not,
I really do. I hate it. You should go in, you
should vote. You shouldn't have to talk to anyone. I like this idea
that you could convince people to change their votes just shows how unserious they are
about their vote to begin with. Most of the time. In this case,
I don't think I don't think the arguments. I think that people.
I think people will go in kind of knowing who they're going to vote for,
and will continue to vote for those people. Okay, okay, what
do you think. I think it's going to be very difficult for DeSantis.
I did send you that poll that showed that without Donald Trump he is like
leading by a considerable amount. I think that that this Coke thing of backing
Haley, I don't really understand it. I'm sure there's some reasoning behind it,
but what should be done. If you really wanted to knock off Donald
Trump, and that was really what you wanted to do, you should be
behind DeSantis and you should be asking other people to drop out, especially Haley
who's probably taking a lot of his votes. But yeah, I don't know,
I do know. I just say a lot of people who work for
Coke affiliated groups are just not happy about that endorsement. Some some of them,
I think, have even gone public with it. But I mean a
lot of the time interesting how many establishment figures really really like Nikki Haley.
I don't hate her. I don't get it, you know, I'm I'm
not really a fan either, so I don't I don't get it, but
I just quickly wanted to say that this has happened in other elections. I've
noticed where, you know, we make assumptions about where voters go, so
like someone falls out, everyone thinks, oh, that type of voter will
go to DeSantis now or whatever, and sometimes you're wrong. You know,
maybe those Hailey voters will go to Trump. But I'm just saying that there
are polls that show that the real only real threat once Trump. You know,
if Trump's out of the race, is DeSantis, like he has the
most support. So but anyway, we'll see. I want to talk about
culture. Sure, I don't really have anything much. Oh I do?
We do? I do? Yeah. I have been very very sad,
unlike surprised by how sad I am about the death of Shane mcgallan, the
lead singer of the Pogues, which is this Irish punk folk band, which
I feel like everybody should know that was really big. I think it was
big for me in the in the nineties. I don't know when they were
big or when when you were listening to them, but I remember watching them
on Saturday Night Live. I think that's how I became formally introduced to them,
and that I believe. You know, Shane mcgallan was like falling down
drunk on that performance, which is why I'm so surprised that I'm sad by
his death, because he was near death throughout the eighties, nineties, aughts,
previous decade. Like, I don't know how God preserved him to this
point because he is such a bad addict and such a bad alcoholic. Did
you listen to them? Yeah, I mean I was a fan of their
first maybe three albums if I should fall from Grace with God and what is
the other one? So whatever, but I liked it. I was a
fan from Sodomy in the Last Motion. Yeah, I think their first album
was my favorite, which was like Red Roses for Me or something. But
anyway, I liked I liked he got a little repetitive sometimes for me,
But I was a fan of the music, like like I like those kind
of taking something traditional and giving it a sort of punky vibe or whatever.
I'm a fan of that sort of thing, and I was a fan of
his. You know, he was actually at one of the first as a
teenager, at one of the first sex pistol shows. There's a picture of
him biting another person in like a pogo dance and his teeth are all messed
up. And he was on the cover of like the Mirror, one of
those big paper saying cannibalism at a sex pistol show, like he was was
sort of like he was sort of like of the scene, you know what
I mean. And he was pretty like a character that was known, and
he started the Pogues and they were very like, you know, distraditional Irish
music. Whatever. Yeah, I can't believe you lived to be sixty five
because unlike a lot of other famous rock star addicts, he was a real
addict, not a fake. Like I'm pretty like suspect that Iggy Pop was
really this big Heroin user, like his whole life. And because he's like
eighty now and he looks amazing, you know, or Keith Richards, like
I'm starting to think Heroin's good for you, you know that live so long,
because you know, we're talking about Keith Richards dying like in the sixties
already, and he's still around. You know. I saw Shane McGowan perform
at the nine thirty club, you know, early two thousands, there was
see with a band called the popes or was that just separate? I don't
know. I don't so. I remember that the mayor of Baltimore opened up
for him. The mayor of Baltimore. I think he later ran for president.
Am I just making stuff up? There was a Democrat mayor of Oh
yeah, I know that mayor got Baltimore. He was an Irish guy and
his band opened up and then Shane was a wreck like we were. We
were up on the second story of the nine thirty club and we could see
he would just like go off stage and Mark was amazed. This was before
we were married, we were dating and it was a fun night. But
marn O'Malley was that who you're Yes, that's him. So I didn't make
that up. Okay, No, he did exist, and and he would
just like guzzle a fifth of whiskey. I was like, how is he
upright? I have no idea how. He actually had to leave midway through
because he couldn't keep going, but then he came back. It was an
unbelievable show. And I remember a couple of years before that was when that
documentary If I Should Fall from Grace came out, which detailed his addiction and
other issues. I mean, anyway, he's beautiful poet. Yeah, and
I don't want to glamorize that in any way. No, No. I
remember also like Sinead O'Connor once called called the cops on him in an attempt
to save his life because I think it was heroin. She's like, yeah,
it was. And of course the Pogues fired him repeatedly because they were
trying to save his life like it was. It was. They would just
be open and honest, They're like, this guy is going to kill himself
with drugs and drink if he doesn't get help. Yeah. For a while,
for a while, Joe Strummer was the lead singer of the Pogues after
they kicked Sea McGown at, who died long before, who wasn't a heroin
addict or an alcoholic and died long before. Yeah, but yeah, I
mean he you know, he lost all his and lose all his teeth.
He did stuff to get rid of his teeth. Yeah, but they did
this like seven hour operation and gave him a new set of teeth and stuff.
And there's there's a whole documentary about It's pretty interesting, a little gross,
but like people who don't know them are like, why do you even
care? I don't know. I really think the Irish are the best poets
and he is a wonderful example of that. And like you think he was
because he was always drunk in interviews, right, you can go on YouTube
and watch sometimes he's completely incoherent, but when you look at his lyrics,
they're actually kind of steeped in like historical imagery and all kinds of like you
know, Catholic imagery and all kinds of different things that are quite interesting.
I guess. Yeah. But so that first sentiment live, I don't remember,
you know, usually they sing two songs and I don't remember what the
other one was, but I remember one was Body of an American, which
is just like that. It's like, I also don't know how he was
writing so beautifully about America and Americans. I guess these are countries that are
tied together as well. Anyway, Okay, what are you doing culture?
I'm also kind of bummed that people I grew up listening to are just dying
all the time. You know, David, We're getting up there. Yeah,
I'm definitely getting up there. I told you for the first time.
I wrote this letter this morning to my mayor an angry letter. It's my
first angry I'm like, I do this for a living, but I've never
actually written anyone, so you know, it was just I feel old.
What did I do? Oh? I watched the show you were watching,
which I'm watching the third season of Slow Horses, Oh, which I think
might be the best so far. It is awesome. Yeah, it's really.
First of all, Gary Oldman, so HOLI he's amazing. He is
so amazing, and he's like, I have never seen such range in an
actor that character. I love the character. Yeah, I do too.
I love his motivational speeches. It's just the way that he also gives in
to just being a slob, like and looking like a slob and stuff.
It's and in this this episode I just watched, he takes his shirt off
and stuff, and he's obviously let himself go, and it's just amazing how
it gets into it. And I know he's done that his whole career.
Like I was thinking, he played Dracula like in the nineties, and he
looked like he was like sixty in that movie and he was still a young
man. He must have just been in his thirties when it did that meant
me, So you know, he's just he's really a good actor. Then
I this is listen, this is going to be tough to talk about for
me. But I watched the Dial of Destiny Indiana Jones movie. And you
a fan of the Originals or oh, I've only seen the first three.
I think maybe I saw the fourth. That's you know, that's all you
need to see. So obviously that I remember I was a kid. I
think I was eleven. I went to see Raiders as a lost ark.
It was one of the great moments of my life. I just love that
movie. I've seen it a million times and just did not enjoy this one.
And I read a review and I think it perfectly encapsulates what I'm thinking
about. Thinking about this movie is that it's dutiful but joyless like it was.
You know, it was just a joyless experience for me to watch it,
and I hated that because I loved it as a kid, and I
loved Harrison Ford and you know a lot of the old characters come back.
So anyway, so you know, I have these like my handwriting is barely
legible, and I always am like, oh, I need to talk about
this on the podcast, so I'll write it on like a napkin, but
then you can't read what you wrote. I wrote these words Jones, very
vic Alloy. I don't know what it is, so anyway, if anyone
can figure that out, Like I'll write something that I'll usually text myself,
Like I'll be out late at night, let's say, and someone will say
something. I'll text a note so that I don't forget, and then the
next morning like I have literally no idea what this means. Sick exactly.
I used to email them to myself and it was funny because it was d
Harsani at the Denver Post and my boss was D Haley, so it's d
J. So I would just these incoherent messages would come to his inbox all
the time, and it was just it was just funny. Okay, I
think that's all I've been doing. Well. I watched this show on Netflix
called Fisk. Never heard of it. So it's an Australian show, very
like low key, about this woman who's gone through a divorce and she's like
a lawyer in Melbourne, Australia. But it's it's a comedy and it's low
key, and I I like it. It's kind of like therapeutic because it
like chills me out after get all worked up about things that are going on.
So I don't know, I would recommend it, but it might not
be for everyone. It's like one of these shows I used to recommend to
you about, like going to Europe and buying a house or whatever. It's
like low key like that. I realized later on they chill me out.
Yeah, Oh okay. Mark Comingway still gets mad, like I'll say,
oh, I mean like when we after we do these and I'll say,
oh, David, David mentioned this thing, and he's like, I thought
we covered this already, Like we're not taking david recommendations. When the maddest
he's gotten at me, the angriest he's gotten at me is when I recommended
that show about the Norwegians and like spy show about the Russians and Norwegians.
I guy was called he did not like that show. Okay, I don't
know. I don't know what to tell you. I'm just being honest with
with with you about what I like. I do watch. I still watch
like the Great British Baking Show, like that show I watch that I still
watch Survivor every week when it's on. I did not know what was on
season four, six or five or something. It's dom so I don't mention
it. Usually I did do. So you know, Avida are wonderful staff
writer. Her parents are Sean Duffy and Rachel Campo Stuffy and I was talking
to her this week and I did one of those like deep dives on them,
and I'm like, I know these people. It's so weird that I
watched. I literally watched that when it was on. Oh yeah, I
totally forgot some of this stuff. Anyway, can you remind me? I
should have asked her? But they were they were? Were they on in
the same season? No, not at all. She was on the season
two I think, or San Francisco, one of the beginnings. Yeah.
I didn't watch past the second season, I have to say, but that
was like the first reality show really right in my Yeah. That spawned a
great that spawned some great shows and a great romance that resulted in I think
nine beautiful children, of which Avida is the oldest. So so many kids
that when I see the picture I just stop counting because it's too much.
Like that's a lot of kids. I love it. Yeah. And there's
such a light and there's such an attractive family. It's like mind blowing.
Yeah, all right, I just want to mention again honestly, we get
Molly, you know. I just don't say this kind of thing if it
weren't true. But we're getting like amazing male, really smart, interesting mail.
So I just want to again remind people that can mail us at d
oh no, that's my email, says mail what is it radio at the
Federalist dot com. I'm going to cut that out and we'll see you next
week. Until m be lovers of freedom and anxious for the freight Godli