1 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:33,079 Ask what up? What Up? What Up? What Up? Welcome to 2 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:36,960 the podcast, everybody. My name is Paul Abernathy. Welcome to a Master 3 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:41,920 the NC podcast. Available in all of your popular listening platforms. Just go 4 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,039 do whatever you like to listen to Spotify, Spreeker, I Heart Radio, 5 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:51,960 Deezer, Apple Podcasts, Google, Pocket, doesn't matter. Just go and 6 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:57,880 search for Master the NC podcast and you're going to find out that we're all 7 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,600 over the place where the hundreds of podcasts that we done episodes through the years, 8 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,920 and you just got to kind of go through and listen to the topics 9 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,640 that can go in all different types of rants. But I guarantee you there's 10 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,200 something in there for you, and I encourage you to go check it out. 11 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,560 I've been doing podcasts since probably before they were called podcasts. We're talking 12 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:22,560 about all the way back in yeah, about two thousand and four. I 13 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:26,640 date back here, not want to, don't really want to date myself there, 14 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:32,799 but been doing them for a long time and it just wasn't to the 15 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,480 last I guess ten years that it became much easier to share them through the 16 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:41,760 different platforms that we use today, and believe it or not, it's hard 17 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:45,599 to believe that it's been that long and the technology has changed so much to 18 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,879 make this so easy to listen any pretty much any device you one. Also, 19 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,159 I need to tell you you can get our mobile app, which is 20 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:55,519 a free thing. Dude. It's free and it's got tools and things. 21 00:01:55,519 --> 00:01:57,519 It doesn't matter whether you listen to our stuff regularly or not. It doesn't 22 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,319 matter. It's a neat tool to have on your device. We have tons 23 00:02:01,319 --> 00:02:06,920 of calculators, we're constantly adding more. You have the ability to chat directly 24 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,240 if you're on a job and you have a question. There's no other service 25 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:14,400 like that. There's no other app like that that gives you access to somebody 26 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,120 that monitors this type of stuff. So again, it doesn't cost you anything. 27 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:22,280 It's free. Go check it out. It's over on our website, 28 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,680 fast track system dot com. You'll see the mobile app link at the top 29 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:28,919 right. Go check it out. Of course, i'll give you the description 30 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,960 down in the description in the comment scenario. But hey, get it. 31 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,560 It's free, it doesn't cost you a time. Okay, cool, let's 32 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,439 kind of get into today's topic again. I had another question. It was 33 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:43,879 sent to me. It seems to be one big ongoing debate, especially since 34 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:50,719 Leviton has come out with some new types of devices. That's right, that's 35 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,400 right, Leviton has come out with it. It's enough. Leviton has come 36 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,319 out with a new device that has way goos built into the device, making 37 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,639 it so much easier to make that connect. Now, this isn't a far 38 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:07,199 stretch now from the backstab applications, except for using the WeGo on the devices. 39 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:13,639 Is going to probably branch it out further than what currently when you backstab 40 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:19,199 you're limited to fourteen gage fifteen amp devices, right, So um, this 41 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,800 is going to expand its application obviously the use of wegos. They come in 42 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:27,039 different ratings for different sized conductors and things like that. So um, you 43 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,960 know Levinton, I believe it's Levington, don't don't hold me to that. 44 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:35,120 But they whoever it is, they're all over the internet and they're going to 45 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:38,680 start coming out with these these Wigo integrated Obviously they made some kind of agreement 46 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:45,000 with these manufacturers. That's how it happens. And you know what's awesome about 47 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:51,120 it is that it now settles the debate right that people have about well is 48 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:58,240 the you know Weigo's okay or backstabs okay. Look backstabs have always been okay 49 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,919 if you do it properly. Now there's people that go on social media. 50 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,400 I did a couple of tiktoks today. Go check them out. Follow us 51 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,719 at the Master the NBC over on TikTok. You can also find our handle 52 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:15,399 is at the at Symbol fast Track System. All of that over on our 53 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:20,160 TikTok. The only thing we do on TikTok is advertised, and you know, 54 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:26,120 try to find people that post things that are misleading or incorrect or wrong. 55 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:28,800 And I feel like it's a duty being a code Panel member that we 56 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:31,600 kind of separate the fact from fiction on a lot of things. And again, 57 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,120 opinions being what they are, you can obviously have an opinion about something, 58 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,519 just don't state it as it's a fact. And there's a lot of 59 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:46,279 people on there who Again, there might be an influencer on TikTok, but 60 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:50,000 that means nothing when it comes to in the field. I have over thirty 61 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,600 two years. I'm in the front of the codebook two times. Go look 62 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,720 for me, Code Panel five, Code Panel seventeen. I've served on NEEMA, 63 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,399 I've worked for ANEMA, I've been ahead of jurisdictions for many years in 64 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,439 Virginia. I work for a major manufacturer today. I know about terminals, 65 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:12,800 I know about conductors. I'm an expert in that area. And so look, 66 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:17,040 there are just as many failures in the industry from improper termination, whether 67 00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:21,319 you tork it too much or not enough, or you've damaged the terminal, 68 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:26,879 or you alter something in some way at a terminal that causes it to fail. 69 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,879 I have people out there who say, oh, I've seen a number 70 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,600 of issues in service calls based on backstabbing. I am again going to call 71 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:40,319 and say on all that, Okay, I don't even have a beep button 72 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:42,480 where I could beat. I used to have thought I had a beat button 73 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,079 somewhere that I could beat when I said a cuss word or something. But 74 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,319 look, don't buy it. There's even some guys on TikTok who have quite 75 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:51,519 a bit of following who say, if you're electrician and your backstab, you 76 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:59,839 should be fired. Dude. Listen, a device that has the backstab capability 77 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,199 is listed and evaluated for that application. Now, I get it. You 78 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:10,079 may not like it, I understand. And this is going to be my 79 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,279 final debate on this topic because again I understand it. Paul. You're a 80 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:16,600 hack, you know you backstab? Hey whatever, If you get your panties 81 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:23,199 in a wad, then that's that's that's you. But if a manufacturer actually 82 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:29,480 puts on their device the ability to backstab, it means it's been evaluated for 83 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,920 that application. Just reach out to the manufacturer and ask them. They'll have 84 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:38,839 the test data, they'll have everything that they did to comply, and so 85 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:42,240 the sheer fact that on those backstabs you have to stick a tool in there 86 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:46,639 to loosen it to pull it back out, it should tell you something. 87 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:53,519 Right now. The other thing that you have to remember is that it's okay 88 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,560 to wrap the screw as long as you do it right, and it's okay 89 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,360 to backstab. The thing about wrapping the screw is that you're supposed to torku 90 00:07:02,439 --> 00:07:06,279 all of those terminations so that you don't overtighten it and strip out the internal 91 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:11,720 threading of that screw, where later, when the conductor gets hot under a 92 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,800 load, it's going to expand and contract and it could come loose and then 93 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:18,319 you create an art. If you backstab, you do it properly, should 94 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:23,639 not have any problem because it's been evaluated for that. It doesn't mean that 95 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,480 you can't have a device fail. I mean things do fail. So if 96 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:31,839 you think that backstabbing was such a hazard, then don't you think that there 97 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:35,480 would have been a manufacturer's recall. Don't you think that it would have been 98 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,879 an uproar into industry, not just what a person here or there, or 99 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:43,959 some electrician who maybe went to one or two calls where they had a problem 100 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,800 with the backstabbe I can tell you when I was a contractor, I went 101 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:49,759 to many calls where the whole side of the receptacle melted down. And it 102 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:55,759 certainly wasn't because of a backstab. It was because of a rapping a screw. 103 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:59,240 And so look, things fail. It's just part of our industry. 104 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:03,439 Nothing lasts forever. Hey, when you're pulling current through a conductor, it's 105 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:07,560 going to heat up. It's why our installations rated ninety degrees. Even in 106 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,639 non metallic sheet cable, it's rated ninety even though we're limited to the sixty 107 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,360 for ampacity. Wise, it still heats up. There is some movement, 108 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,079 there is some expansion and contraction. Again with copper and today's aluminum, it 109 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:22,800 is less of an expansion and contraction as it was years ago when it was 110 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:26,639 the old style aluminum. Today we're dealing with a eight thousand series aluminum, 111 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:31,040 but we typically don't use that for the small terminations anyway, right, that's 112 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:35,200 usually larger stuff, a gauge and larger. So when we're talking about receptacles, 113 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:41,440 these devices, if they have a backstep, it's okay, it's quicker, 114 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,639 the connection's fine, and so usually the same haters that hate the receptacles 115 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,919 also hate way goes. But then they'll come and say, well, the 116 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,879 lever ones a fine, dude. They all typically work the same way, 117 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,759 whether there's a lever compressing on the conductor or it's pushing through pinch points. 118 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:03,600 Again, it's all evaluated. I have no problem with using a product, 119 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:07,720 and you know whether I like something or not, or i'd lose something and 120 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:11,440 somebody, for example, people will pre twist their conductors to a wire nut, 121 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:16,639 and there's some people that don't pre twist, and the manufacturers don't tell 122 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:22,559 you you have to pre twist. That's a choice you make. So at 123 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,240 the end of the day, to go out and say people are wrong if 124 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,919 they don't twist, or to say people are wrong because they twist is kind 125 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,840 of like the argument between Ford and Chevy. It's whatever your preference is, 126 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:41,200 okay. But when it comes to backstabbing, if that device is listed for 127 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:45,639 backstab, damn it, I'm gonna backstab it. Now. Maybe not all 128 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,639 cases, or maybe I'm using a fifteen amp device on a twenty amp circuit, 129 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,440 which we can do for example, in the code allows me to do 130 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,440 this. In the code. If you don't know that, you need to 131 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,519 get in our fast track program. So in a kitchen twenty amp circuit, 132 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,480 I could put fifteen amp raty to device on it because the code tells me 133 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,279 I can article two ten and you can still go look all that stuff up 134 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:11,639 in the code, and you're gonna be looking in two ten dot twenty three, 135 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,000 and you'll be looking at two ten dot twenty one, and you're going 136 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:18,759 to be seeing limitations on the branch. You're gonna be looking at the receptacle 137 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:22,200 ratings. There's a bunch of tables around there. At the end of the 138 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:28,440 day, you can't backstab a fifteen app rated device that's got backstabs for fourteen 139 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,919 gauge. If you're gonna be putting twelve gage on it, then you know, 140 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,519 you're gonna have to wrap the screw right. So at the end of 141 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:39,080 the day it takes skill to understand that. Sometimes you just can't use the 142 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:45,480 backstab. But if it's all fourteen gage and you strip the installation off properly 143 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,720 as gauged on the device, then there is no problem. Now, just 144 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,480 because I might have some that that burn up, I got equally amount that 145 00:10:54,600 --> 00:11:00,440 burn up because of the screw on the side where it was you know, 146 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,360 too much pressure was put on it twisted it too tight and it reamed it 147 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:09,000 out. But you really caught until later when it starts cycling that heat of 148 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,279 load. Then it comes loose and you know, oh it melts down and 149 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,879 it melts the whole side of the device down. Well, that was become 150 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:18,399 an improper screw, you know. And you know, half the time when 151 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:22,879 people are talking something anyway, they think they're doing it right, and then 152 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:28,200 they check it and it's actually either overtorked or undertorked, and undertorking is just 153 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:35,679 as bad as overtorking. Okay, so you know, so again to answer 154 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,519 this question, it came in. It was Paul, what is your opinion 155 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:43,039 on the new style of receptacles with the way GOOS integrated, and are you 156 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,639 still oding the opinion that backstabbing is okay? Thanks in advance. I am 157 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,639 still under the opinion and always will be under the opinion. And you can 158 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,000 call me what you want. Stopped listening to my podcast, stop watching my 159 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:01,480 videos, stop getting my courses. I don't care. I'm here to tell 160 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:07,120 you this is what the NEC says. One ten dot three B install it 161 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:13,720 per its listing instructions, and those instructions and the device allows for backstab. 162 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,720 If you personally don't want to do it, that's on you. But don't 163 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:22,360 go on social media and start telling people there was one guy on there on 164 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,679 social media, and you go to my account, you'll see where I commented 165 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,559 on it. Then you can actually click because I do edit him. You 166 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,080 can click it in and watch his video. He basically says that if you're 167 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,840 electrician who backstab and you get caught backstabbing, you should be fired. Really 168 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:39,159 really, I mean, come on, I'm gonna fire you because you're using 169 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:45,399 a product in accordance with its listing, just because you might have an opinion 170 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,320 on something that you might have ran into, which doesn't really affect the full 171 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:54,360 spectrum of the industry. Know how many devices are sold I hesitate to say 172 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:58,600 on a daily basis, but annual basis, we're talking millions, okay, 173 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:07,320 between multiple manufacturers that allow for backstabbing. So again, typically the backstab, 174 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,240 well we know it's basically limited to fourteen gage. Now with these new devices 175 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:16,360 that are coming out with the Wagos built into them, obviously the manufacturers of 176 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:20,039 the devices are now working hand in hand with WAGO, everybody's sharing a little 177 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,799 bit of the pot. You know, the sizes are liable to get larger 178 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,279 now, allow for you to have twelve gage, possibly even bigger. So 179 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,960 I think weigos are proven. I think those devices are tested and evaluated, 180 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:37,440 and they're available on the market. Trust me, you could not sell them 181 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,960 if they weren't evaluated. You couldn't sell the devices if they weren't evaluated. 182 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,919 With backstab, whether you have a personal strong feeling for or against so rather 183 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,600 than say I would never do this, and then you say, you just 184 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,559 do ubra and if you want to backstab, you backstab. If you want 185 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,919 to wrap screws, you rap screws. That is totally a personal preference. 186 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,639 It's no different then whether somebody asks receptacle grounds up or grounds down. It 187 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,039 doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I ain't now. Somebody will say yeah, 188 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:09,639 but it does. In Chicago. If we turn it to the side, 189 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,759 you can't have the hot side up. You have to have the neutral 190 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:16,440 side up. Whatever, whatever. Or they might say no. But if 191 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,559 it's a healthcare facility and we got metal cover plates that we need the ground 192 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,480 up in case the metal cover plate comes off, it'll fall down onto the 193 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,559 ground and conductor instead of falling down and shorting between the hot and neutral. 194 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:30,080 Okay, whatever I got you, that's fine. It might be in a 195 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,840 standard, it might be in a spec, it might be in a local 196 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,840 rule. But we're talking National Electrical Code, which is a minimum safety standard. 197 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:39,120 You want to go above that standard because of some local change, go 198 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,480 for it. Go for it. Or you want to a ration now that 199 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:48,720 makes it safer in your mind so that you can sleep at night, go 200 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,519 for it. But it's that same electrician who will say I would never backstab 201 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:56,159 is the same one. It's going out there and they're fifteen feet from a 202 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,000 panel where they could cut the circuit off. Yet they're gonna work on it 203 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,320 live because they want to pound their chest because I'm an electrician. No, 204 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,240 come on, really, there's no need to work on anything live, never 205 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:15,720 a reason in a dwelling application, unless you're doing diagnostic testing with the vote 206 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,240 meter or something like that. Other than that, if you're actually getting into 207 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,120 the system and working on it, then de energize it, put it in 208 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:28,480 a safe condition, and then you can safely work on equipment. You work 209 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:33,200 faster, more confident, more diligent. You don't have to worry about whether 210 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,919 you're gonna get shocked or not. And so you've got your mind working on 211 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,559 too many things. I just want to focus on getting the task done, 212 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,879 So de energize it. Don't have to be a superman. Okay. Now, 213 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:46,320 if you're in a room and you see the switch and it's a disconnect, 214 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,440 it's going to cut the power to say illuminaire, and you're working on 215 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,279 it, well, go over to the switch, turn it off, put 216 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,840 some tape over it so nobody can turn it back on. Obviously it's within 217 00:15:56,919 --> 00:15:58,519 your sight, and then you're killing power to that and then you can, 218 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,360 but at least you're putting some precaution in place. There was another video upon 219 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,559 TikTok that I commented on that, and if you want to get a kind 220 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:14,639 of a chuckle, go watch my TikTok's there's this one guy who was outside 221 00:16:15,679 --> 00:16:18,200 and he was saying, well, and you don't want to go back inside 222 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,000 to turn the breaker off, And he proceeded to show you how you your 223 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,480 work on it outside live. First of all, he was outside, so 224 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:27,200 you have to have context. Could it be drizzling, could it be raining? 225 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,480 Because because the could he be on a conductive surface? Does he have 226 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:34,840 protective gloves on? What is he doing? Because at the end of the 227 00:16:34,879 --> 00:16:37,840 day, it only takes a tenth of an amp to kill you, and 228 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,559 that tenth of an app can come from any circuit within the dwelling. So 229 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:44,200 again, I know I can hear you out there saying, Paul, you're 230 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,840 just a foody duddy. I've worked on live circuits forever. Well, good 231 00:16:47,879 --> 00:16:52,240 for you. Here's the problem with putting that on TikTok or any other social 232 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,960 media. You're great, and I have no doubt you're amazing, but you're 233 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,000 gonna have somebody come along that has half your skill or quarter of your skill, 234 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:04,119 and they're gonna or a handyman or just anybody working on a circuit. 235 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,519 Will you come along and see a video like that where somebody explains how to 236 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:12,480 work on something live, and then they're going to try it? Now. 237 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:15,440 The reason I'm telling you this is because I've been in business for thirty some 238 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:21,720 years. I have worked as expert witness on court cases. I've been involved 239 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:25,359 in litigation. And let me tell you what. If somebody will sue you, 240 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,400 they will sue you for anything. So when you go posting up on 241 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,400 social media about working on something live and somebody watches that video, I can 242 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,880 tell you if I was a lawyer right now and my client got shocked, 243 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,720 I would be searching for any social media posts where it said somebody could work 244 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:45,880 on something live, and I would slap them with the lawsuit. Because that's 245 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,039 where we already day. In this woke society, everybody wants a free ride, 246 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,960 right from reparations for people. Any dude, you haven't had slavery for 247 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:59,000 how many years? And nobody living today was a slave? Okay, so 248 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,519 reparations easy handout homeless people will easy handout people that don't want to get a 249 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:07,720 job, easy handout government assistance to pay for your college, easy handout. 250 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,920 You want too many damn things for free out there, folks. Electricians don't 251 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,000 work that way. We work for what we got, Okay. So the 252 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,920 problem with putting stuff like that out there is now, if somebody gets hurt 253 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,359 because you, as an electrician, said it was okay to work on something 254 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,759 live and proceeded to explain how to do it, all you've done is open 255 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:37,960 yourself up for liability. So unless you have a disclaimer on there, and 256 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,839 that will only protect you so much saying we're all work done by license, 257 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,240 electrician, do not attempt this on your own. As a disclaimer, you 258 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,759 might think you'll never get sued. But if I had to give advice as 259 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,480 a consultant to somebody, I would say, well, if you ever do 260 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:55,400 get shocked and your family's going to sue somebody, just go to TikTok and 261 00:18:55,519 --> 00:19:00,799 find some videos that showed electricians showing you how to work on things, and 262 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:03,720 I would sue them. I would sue them for your pain and suffering and 263 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:08,839 your loss because nobody should be telling people how to work on things live. 264 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,680 We don't tell you how to do your own surgery, right, we don't 265 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,599 tell you how to remove your own appendix. Kay, Obviously you can do 266 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,359 it yourself. You could do a lot of things, but electricity is not 267 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,079 one of them that you want to have somebody go messing with. And here 268 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:32,079 we have people on social media telling people to work on shit live. That's 269 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:37,279 just not right. It's lazy. Just go turn it off. You might 270 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:41,319 be the best electrician in the world, you might be the problem with it 271 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:42,480 and you can do you. I don't really care you, do you? 272 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:47,200 That's fine for me even to this day. As a practice with all of 273 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,400 my electricians in the past when I owned my companies, the concept was you 274 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:55,519 do not work on things energize unless you can justify. We're not talking about 275 00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:57,720 a live work order. We're not talking about industrial applications. We're not talking 276 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:03,279 I'm talking even dwellings. There is no need to work on something live. 277 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:07,640 Heay. So at the end of the day, when you terminate your service, 278 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,200 conductors into your panel and now you have the barriers for your service. 279 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,480 Disconnecting means your barriers, so you have those live parts are insulated. You 280 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:21,920 turn the main breaker off and everything below that is dead. You'd be careful, 281 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,000 okay, you have precautions. It's no different. I'm not going to 282 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,880 leave a brand circuit hot and then go out and try to work on it. 283 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:34,160 What's the point too lazy to go back and turn it off? That's 284 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,720 okay, you do you. If you want to be Superman, you'd be 285 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,559 Superman. If you want to call me what you want to call me, 286 00:20:38,599 --> 00:20:41,880 you could call me. I don't really care, y'all know by now, 287 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,519 I don't care what people think of me. I really don't give a damn. 288 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,000 I'm here to teach you. I'm here to help you learn, I'm 289 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:52,319 here to help you be safe. I'm here to teach the National Electrical Code. 290 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,920 I'm not here to make friends. If you're we are friends, that's 291 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,559 great. I mentor plenty of people. But I also don't take any bs. 292 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,720 There's no need to work on it, live, no need to try 293 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:07,359 to play Superman pound your chest. Just don't do it. It's not necessary. 294 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,359 All right, folks, that's it for this episode, Take care of 295 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,000 stay safe. Hopefully got something out of that, and hopefully I answered your 296 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:15,920 question. Didn't rant too much, but probably did. Till next time, 297 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:41,599 folks, Stay safe, God bless ask