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Hello, and welcome to this episode
of Superhero Ethics. Today we are continuing

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our discussions of Avatar the Last Airbender
going on a secret tunnel to reach episodes

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three and four. I gotta say, folks, this feels some things are

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still changed, some things are different. This feels to me much more like

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the original Avatar, and especially with
the end of the last episode, episode

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four, it felt to me like
they kind of said, we know what

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the point of the original was.
We're changing it a bit, but we

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are still keeping to you know,
like we've all been talking about, like

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does the show understand the childlikeness of
Aang And they kind of quite literally did

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that at the end of episode four. So it's still not exactly the show

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I would have wanted, but I'm
feeling a lot more like this is now

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a show that I want to do, that I want to see. I

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have Rinky and Paul with us.
What do you guys think, Well,

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my iro stocks are going up,
my ang stocks are going down. I

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think I partially feel the way you
do, Matthew. I mean I enjoyed

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the third and fourth episodes more than
the first one. Yeah, you know,

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episode three did start with like a
oh by the way, Ozi is

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as awful as Sosen and we need
to graphically show you on screen by eliminating

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ben Wanan's character faster than American born
Chinese got canceled. But it's it.

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I agree that that thing at the
end, you know, where Aang's kind

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of like, is that such a
bad thing? You know, to like,

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maybe you can count on your friends, maybe you can see the world

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like a kid, like, maybe
that's okay, Maybe that's actually the way

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to move forward. And some of
the whimsy and the you know, secrets

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on all, like, I did
not think, especially after the darkness of

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that first episode, I didn't think
we I didn't think we were going to

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get it, and I didn't think
we'd get it in a way that felt

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true to the story instead of feeling
like it was just smashed in for fan

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service. And yeah, I loved
it. I thought I thought it was

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great to have it. Yeah,
that was definitely I kind of perked up

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there. You know. I do
feel like they were trying to cram four

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or five stories together into wy yep, you know, And I just don't

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I believe it was literally four episodes. Yeah easily, I mean, because

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I mean they're already putting you know, Azula and Ozi on screen and and

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Tylee and May and like, you
know, it's like I feel like they're

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trying to do a lot. Like
it reminds me of the DCEU a little

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bit. Yeah, the kind of
like just kind of just it feels like

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rushing, you know, it just
feels like they're they're rushing. But I

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did feel like there was more of
the whimsy, There was more of the

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stuff I liked. I did enjoy
Iro a lot. I also feel like

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they're rushing with Zuko in terms of
like having him kind of you know,

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have that critical moment where he goes
to help I row instead of chasing after

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it. Yeah, that felt way
too fast. Yeah, it just feels

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too soon to me. It also
feels like they're really trying to make sure

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that like we know that like not
everybody, you know, not all fire

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benders, you know, and that
like the Earth Kingdom also has is doing

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bad stuff too, and that you
know, war is horrible. And it

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just feels like they're trying to do
a lot. And I thought they got

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some of it, you know,
which which for me was better than the

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first episode. For sure. The
second episode, third and fourth all felt

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like, you know, kind of
a similar level of quality to me in

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terms of like okay, okay,
like I'm I'm into it now, I

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don't love it, but the performance
is still lots of great performances. And

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I think that they knew that we
were going to do two episodes at a

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time because the third and fourth episodes
felt you know, paired. Yeah,

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I mean it was it was the
Omashu arc. Yeah, but Inomashu is

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the jet arc, and is the
Teo and Zy yeah yeah, and the

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Secret Tunnel yeah yeah, yeah.
So it's a lot. Let me give

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what is at least my understanding of
the mission statement of this show as I

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think it is expressed. Can you
guys tell me if this that you agree

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with this or you like it,
or you think it's different. We talked

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before about a lot about how like
Aang being a child, you know that

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the part of it's that he like
he hasn't learned the things that all the

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adults have learned, and that that's
a good thing, you know. And

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then as we'll especially come up towards
the end of the third season, for

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me, in this episode is especially
I got the sense that they're doing something

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similar but a little different to that, which is that this it's saying that

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everyone in this world has experienced one
hundred years of war, or you know,

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has experienced war for their entire lives, which is part of a hundred.

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They're experiencing a world that's been at
war for one hundred years, and

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because of that, everyone is cynical, and everyone is beaten down, and

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everyone is doing the best they can
for them and theirs because they can't think

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about broader pictures, whether that's taking
care of your son or taking care of

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your city or whatever it is.
And then along comes this guy who literally

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hasn't lived through the last hundred years, and so because of that, hasn't

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had all of that drama and all
the bad things that has gone happened to

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everyone else for the last hundred years, and so he's able to kind of

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be the hope. He's able to
be the one who's like, maybe we

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don't have to kill our enemies,
maybe we don't have to only look out

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for our own, which which which
feels similar to the to the original but

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somewhat different, but in a way
that to me feels at least like I

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at least no better. I at
least now think that start that again.

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I at least now think that the
creators have a clearer understanding of the original

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than they thought they did from episodes
one and two, and that they're intentionally

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changing it somewhat, but in a
way that feels a lot more respectful.

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That's a lot sorry, that's fair, that's fair. I mean they keep

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repeating the one hundred years thing,
specifically, like characters repeating it to Aang

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like you weren't here, like Boomy, just over and over, you weren't

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here, like I've lived for the
last hundred years, You've missed it all.

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And it feels a little like bashing
over the head to me. That

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they're trying to drive this home to
the audience and to Aang the character,

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and in terms of the hope like
I agree, like hope is the message.

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People keep talking about hope, like
our hope is returned. I think

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the Kyoshi mayor said something about hope, like we now have hope again or

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something like that. But the problem
I have with that message, or like

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what you were saying about it,
Matthew, is that the character of Ang,

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like his personality, seems to be
less of the driving force than just

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the fact that he's the Avatar,
that he's the chosen one, like people

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are their hope is being restored because
the Avatar is back. It's the message

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that I'm getting. And it doesn't
it doesn't seem to matter so much that

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it's aang or like the things that
he does matters, right, Like I

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think Tao says something out like now
we can fight back because the Avatar is

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back, right, Well, I
think that's very true. I guess.

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I think to me that's part of
what he the cycle he's breaking of.

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Everyone's looking to him as Okay,
you're the warrior, You're gonna help us

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kill all the whereas he's he's really
trying to break out, you know,

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in some ways, him and Iro
having the same idea of like all of

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us are are trapped as soldiers in
the cycle that he isn't a part of.

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Yeah, yeah, okay, I
didn't like that scene the Iro and

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and I had some issues it.
Oh well, let me just hear Paul

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on my kind of overall thought,
and then let's start going on the individual

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characters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear what you're saying. I

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don't see it totally, you know, but I wouldn't say like I vehemently

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disagree. I'm like, literally my
reaction was gonna be like, yeah,

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maybe you know, maybe I don't
know, Like I need to see more,

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you know, I need to see
more. I do feel like I'm

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certain that the showrunner and the writer's
room and producers behind the scenes and whatever

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have an idea of what they want
to do with the series. Yeah,

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and I feel like a lot of
that idea is pretty clear because they constantly

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have characters saying things that are super
on the nose to express a lot of

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that, you know, I feel
like it. I feel like I'm not

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getting that from the characters. I
feel like the characters are telling me that

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right, you know, in a
very in a way that you know,

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sometimes you can do that in animation, in a way that just it feels

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different out of a human mouth,
like a physical person, because I'm like,

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i feel like I'm just tripped up
by like I feel like those aren't

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the ways that people use words when
they're talking to other people, you know,

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and that a lot of it feels
very heavy handed in terms of like

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the gist of it, the point
of it, Like I could dig it,

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you know, and I can see
where it's going. I'm curious to

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hear like what would oh also just
like very quick thing like yay Aang's a

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vegetarian. They didn't mess that up. I was so nervous during that scene,

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and I was like, this is
either gonna make call happier or it's

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gonna be me and wriky for the
rest of the you know, and like,

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you know, they finally get a
little I feel like the cabbages thing

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was like the kind of fan service
sort of like we're gonna you know,

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we're gonna kind of tease you by
not sailing saying hello there, you know,

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but like and then finally we're gonna
pay that off. But like then

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they went like full on con right
right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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it's true. It was a lot. It was a lot. It's like

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the overhead shot with the camera retreating
into the sky so good. Maybe it's

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so happy. I wonder how that
feels to someone who hasn't seen the original.

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They don't get it at all.
This guy is so upset about his

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cabbages. And that's the definition of
fan service, right, yeah. Yeah,

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it rewards you for knowing the material. Yes, there's definitely a bunch

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of that. There's definitely a bunch
of that. And I hear both you

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are saying, and I think,
you know, I could be very well

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wrong or just trying to hyper focus. And I will say, Riki,

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I feel like this episode should be
the culmination of the frustration and anger that

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people have towards him because he was
theoretically gone for a hundred years. Like

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I feel like we're gonna get it
again though, Like he's gonna go to

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the Northern Water Tribe and they're they're
gonna say, like, we've been at

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war for one hundred years, where
were you avatar? Like I don't know,

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I hope not, but you could. Maybe it's the fact that it

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is condensed, right, Like a
twenty episode season is being condensed into eight,

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and they're like smushing these storylines.
So without you know, what we

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call filler, Without an episode,
you're going to miss some of the whimsy.

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Probably yep. And you're gonna every
episode someone has to say a hundred

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years of war. I mean.
The thing is it's it's condensed in terms

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of number of episodes, but it's
not that condensed in terms of runtime time.

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Yeah, that's true, but yeah, it's more like sixteen to eighteen

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episodes in terms of run time.
Yeah, but but it does because of

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the way episodes are structured. You
know, you have fewer there's a lot

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of just compact little the little story
you can tell in one animated episode,

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right, And I think the original
series does a lot of that in a

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way that really serves the gradual development
of characters in a way that is just

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very I think it's harder. It's
a little it's different when you know you're

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you just have fewer episodes, even
if it's the same run time. It's

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like it's not kind of just coming
back to this just touching on something and

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then waiting a couple episodes touching on
it and waiting. It's like here,

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it's like, well, if you
want to touch on it eight times,

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you either got to do it in
every episode or you've got to do it

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multiple times in an episode, whereas
when it's over twenty you could do it

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once and then wait a couple,
then again, Okay, wait a couple,

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then again and again, and it's
like, I don't know, I

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just think the rhythm is very different. And that's and it's weird because the

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cabbage cellar, right, is kind
of the epitome of that. Yes,

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the fact that we had I think
there were two teases of him like showing

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up and like starting to say like
would you like to try my and like

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no, no, no, no. Yeah, But then we got too

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we got the can yell, and
then at the end when Boomy crashes the

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cart, we hear it again.
Right, And in the original it was

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it was like over the course of
multiple episodes. Yeah, it's like a

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space gag. Yeah, like spaced
like three or four episodes apart, like

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oh, like he's in a completely
different city. So like the pacing and

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the Yeah, it's very off to
me, and that the cabbages is a

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weird way to kind of symbolize that. No, I see that, I

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see that. I want to get
more this. I just want to pause

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for a quick second to say we've
already gotten two emails from fans that we're

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Because and you brought up iro Riki I

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felt super up and down about Ira, there were some well, actually we

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backed that up a bit. There
were some parts of IROs story that were

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just incredibly heart wrenching and beautiful.
The scene where he's talking about his his

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dead son. Did you guys catch
that the music they were playing, Oh

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yeah on the mine, Yeah,
that was I. I goosebumps, tearing

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up and that scene. Okay,
so that scene really worked for me,

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not not just like because of Ira
Paul song Hin Lee's performance like mostly saying

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nothing but just the anguish on his
face and the tear drop, but Zuko,

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like that was that was a really
interesting Zuko scene that we got,

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and I felt like it was a
good addition, Like that's one of the

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few scenes that they've added here that
I was like, oh, yeah,

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okay, like that makes Zuko his
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it makes the relationship work a lot
better. Yeah, in this version.

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Yeah, I feel like it really
adds like depth and context to their

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relationship. And then the scene where
he's getting on the boat and he's like

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everything I need is here, you
know. Yeah, yeah, so many

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Star Wars lines and it it it
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in terms of story structure, I
probably would rather see that later in terms

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of actually feeling the kind of arc
of Zuko. But if you're gonna have

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the arc, if you're gonna kind
of try and get people to like Zuko

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earlier instead of having him be just
kind of like annoying and loud and then

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you come around to understanding where he
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So I think clearly there, if
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least like doing with like great scenes
like those, I think it's what I

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would say, agreed, Well,
I don't. I don't like it was

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rushed, that's the thing. Well, but it's rushed in terms of like

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it coming so early in season one. I think it's what Paul is saying.

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Yeah, like I haven't really had
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so obsessed with the Avatar that he'll
do anything if he's already I guess to

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sort of amend what I mean.
Instead of maybe rushing, if you're gonna

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do something faster than you did in
the original show, doing it faster and

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well like they have done with that, I think is a good choice.

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Other things like introducing Ozi and Azula
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did not like and I and so
I feel like adding more Zuko and

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Iro earlier I like and appreciate.
Maybe they feel like, if we're gonna

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make these two fire Benders, who
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we see in the first season,
if we're going to make them more sympathetic,

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then maybe they feel like, therefore, we need to introduce the very

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unsympathetic Fired Nation characters faster. I
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And he's a great character and great
probably well, probably my favorite of the

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performances. Really, yeah, me
too, well, And I can just

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stay on Iro for a second.
When I said there's I felt kind of

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ups and downs because those moments were
perfect. There were other moments that fell

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off to me. But I wonder
if it's because we're going in a direction

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that Riki you had actually talked about. During Iro's confrontation with the Earth Nation

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soldier, I was surprised that Iral
wasn't more control, wasn't more contrite and

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kind of apologetic, you know,
learning that this guy's brother had died in

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an attack that Ira had led.
I think Iro clearly feels bad for him

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and has regrets, but he pointedly
doesn't apologize, and you know, goes

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to saying like, you know,
I think you're just as bad now in

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terms of the hate you feel.
I was wondering, Riki, you've talked

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a couple of times about that you
would have liked to see more of the

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journey Iro takes to get to be
this sort of wonderfully I want to say

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zen and that's not the right word
obviously, but that kind of like he

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has come to peace, he's come
to terms with his past. This scene

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makes me wonder if we're actually going
to get some of that journey, because

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this is Ira is not quite to
the place he gets to in the show

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that we saw before of really being
at peace with you know, what he

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has done and his role in it
and the need to do better. Yes,

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so I agree with you, Well, I mean I'm agreeing with you

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that I said that. Yes.
Out here, let me try to explain.

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When we first meet Iro in the
animated show, I feel like his

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journey, like emotional journey is largely
complete, right, and what we are

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getting is him trying to give the
lessons that he's learned to Zuko. Right

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in this show, it feels different, and that what I said earlier,

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Like I did not like the additional
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prison together because it mirrors the scene
where Aang was a prisoner on the fire

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ship and they have a conversation where
Aang is like lecturing Slash, like trying

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to convince Iro that the war is
wrong, and I don't want that.

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Iro should already know that the war
is wrong, like that's how he should

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start this series because of his backstory. So I don't. I like,

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I know it's Avatar and it's Ang's
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version where Aang is teaching Iro this
lesson because I feel like he's he's He's

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already been there, So I'm I'm
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his conversation with the with the Earth
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take is that I agree with you
on that definitely, like that he he's

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still not there yet, Like he
had the conversation with Ang and the conversation

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with Orth Soldier, he keeps spitting
the company or the fire nation line right

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like I was just a soldier,
Like I was doing my job, like

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we're both doing our jobs and yeah, like that, that to me is

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like the the biggest problem I'm having
right now with Iro is that he his

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character is fundamentally different in that so
that he's in a different point of development.

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But I am I'm enjoying the performance
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episodes to three and four, Like, I'm definitely coming around on the performance

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and how he's being portrayed. I'm
just I don't like where the writing is

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taking the character. Yeah, that's
kind of like it's it's a version of

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the character that isn't the version you
want to see, but it's like well

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done. Yeah, yeah, well
the choices they've made. Yeah, yeah,

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I feel similarly, you know,
I mean, I I think it's

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interesting to see how much bitterness he
has towards the Earth Kingdom as particularly like

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it's military, you know, and
it's you know, the Earth Kingdom is

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not known for being merciful to its
prisoners. Like it almost sounds like his

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son didn't fall in battle, like
he was captured and then you know,

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murdered, you know, which would
be, I guess, an interesting way

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to tell the story. Not the
way that I would, but like it.

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they are trying to make the Earth
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have iro still like be angry at
them and see them as a military still

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as the enemy, and have this
bitterness towards them while not necessarily having that

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bitterness towards the people of the Earth
Kingdom, you know, and kind of

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maybe being able to sort the militaries
from the people, but basically being like,

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hey, when I was born,
this war was going on. You

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know, our countries have been at
war for literally my entire life, one

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hundred years, in case anybody forgets
how long it's been. And you know,

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we just I was born the fire
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do this thing, and so I
did this thing, and like what do

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you want? You know, and
then I stopped doing the thing. And

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it seems like the story here is
that like he stopped doing the thing because

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he decided because he like lost his
taste for it because his son died,

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right, which is kind of the
original story, except I think in the

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original story it's more that his son
dying maybe personalized the loss and the devastation

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and tragedy of war, and that
he had all of these right, And

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the first conversation he had with Aang
made it feel like he had come around

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to that. And when he was
saying, some say this, it's in

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our nature to consume everything. Some
people say this, but he didn't say

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what he thought and I was thinking
that meant that he thought what the Iro

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in the animated series things, which
is like, we shouldn't be doing this

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war anymore, but I can't stop
it myself. So I'm going to try

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and guide my nephew in a direction
where I think he'll be a happier,

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more you know, constructive person in
the world, where maybe he can then

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do something and you know, we'll
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Whereas here, I feel like it's
more of a kind of he's still

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in that kind of questioning where like
he knows what people set, what people

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say, and he knows that he
doesn't agree with it deeply, but also

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it doesn't feel like he is opposed
to it and like part of a secret

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organization, and like you know,
like like there's there's certain things that happen

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later up down the road in the
series that here feel like, has this

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Iro already been it? Does?
I feel like including those elements later which

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I won't deeply spoil, but like
there's some things that we learned about Iro

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in season two, season three or
whatever of the animated series that if we

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learn those about him, that those
are already true. I don't understand kind

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of how this version of Iro matches
those facts that we come to learn about

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him. Yeah, I think you're
right, And I think, like I

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said, I think if we watch
him become the Iro who he is at

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the start of the series, it's
very different. But I think that could

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be very enjoyable. But then I
need to know that, yeah, he

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hasn't been doing the things that that
Iro would have done. One thing I

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thought was also very interesting and just
kind of gave an interesting to twist on

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it. And maybe you saw it
already there and the animated, but I

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feel like it's being added here when
he has that last conversation with Zuko that

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to flashback to when Zuko was freshly
wounded by was freshly wounded and was on

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the boat and all that leaves on
the trees started playing again. Which I've

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always seen it that Zuko is looking
to Iro as a father figure because he

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has very recently lost his father.
I never thought of it as Iro because

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of the loss of his son,
kind of wanting a surrogate son in the

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same way that Zuko wants a surrogate
father. But this time I did,

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especially with the playing of that song
to me, was kind of a like

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not in any kind of like needy
or unhealthy way, but that for both

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of them there is this loss in
their life that they are looking to each

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other to help have a similar relationship, which just you know, it makes

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it more of a you know,
instead of again like Iro being at peace

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and Zuko looking to him, it's
how are they both going to help each

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other towards peace? Which, on
the one hand, like if you told

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me that one of the things that
a modern version of something that was a

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remake of something from years ago was
going to do was to say that all

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the characters are on a journey to
find piece instead of some of them actually

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are there already, I would say, yep, that sounds exactly like what

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a more grim dark version has to
be. But yeah, cusec Like the

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first time I saw that, I
was like, no, Ira wouldn't say

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that, And then it was like, okay, no, maybe Iro would

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say this, or at least this
version of Iro, and the there's a

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question of like do we want to
see this version of Iral or not?

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And I think that's all positions on
that are perfectly valid. It's weird because

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I would be ill, I will
be satisfied at the end of all this

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with Iro, because it's a wonderful
character. I don't think they can like

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deviate that far from the script,
so to speak. But and like I

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don't know, like did I need
this, Did I need just to watch

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Ira go through the story again?
Like I don't think so, because this

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is very much about Zuko going through
that journey, right, And we talked

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previously in our in our recap about
what made that so satisfying was that Zuko

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himself like goes through his up ups
and downs and back up again, right,

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And then so Iro was like always
his constant. He came into that

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series knowing who he was, knowing
what he had to do for Zuko,

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kind of like for me, like
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in like all the pre ample material
that we're getting right between episode three and

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four, obi Wan Kenobi was like
sitting in a desert for fifteen years,

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but his mission was clear. He
was like, I failed, the Jedi

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failed. I have to like watch
over Luke and help him do the thing.

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And to me, that's Iro,
Like he comes in, He's like

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I I failed my nation, I
failed my son. Yeah, I have

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to help Zuko and this Iro in
the live action Ira, we're getting like

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it's it's unclear that he understands that, like he's he's like you've been saying,

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like he still feels like he is
caught up in the war mode.

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Yeah, and is caught up in
still being in general, I will say,

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I do think that I agree with
Paul what you said earlier about the

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Earth Kingdom being presented a little less
sympathetically. But and I I want to

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cut you guys to check me on
this because this might be my own internal

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bias. I come from a place
that you know, yes, when terrible

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things are done to people and then
people do terrible things in response, like

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we get into a cycle where both
sides are doing bad things. But for

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me, I'm almost never gonna believe
like therefore both sides are equally bad in

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a situation where there's a clear aggressor
and a clear like you know, person

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being oppressed and fighting back again.
And it felt to me like particularly because

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it felt to me like we were
supposed to think Iro was not really being

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fair with some of what he said
that I like, I did feel much

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I felt much more sympathetic to the
Earth Soldier than I did to Iro in

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that moment, and felt like I
felt sorry for him, that he has

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clearly gone that far into hate as
well, and that that's bad, and

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that the Earth, like what has
happened to the Earth Kingdom is bad.

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But to me, I didn't get
to a place of Earth Kingdom is as

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bad as the Fire Nation, that
one is the aggressor and the other is

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going in bad directions in response to
that aggression. Yeah, I guess I

407
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.720
don't really see it that way.
I hear where you're coming from, but

408
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:56.359
I just thought, you know,
the Earth Kingdom soldier was like a douche.

409
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.759
I mean, like like and I
understand the idea of like the aggressor

410
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:07.119
in a war, but like,
I don't. I don't think that ever.

411
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:13.240
Really, I don't care, like
who's worse like that, Yeah,

412
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.279
that doesn't seem like an important question
to me. You know. It's like

413
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.559
if if we just look at like
World War two, and like if we

414
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.799
specifically focus on like the US and
Japan, like I don't, I don't

415
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:29.160
care who was worse, Like I
know Japan was initially the aggressor against you

416
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:35.440
know, the like Imperial Japan specifically
against like other you know, parts of

417
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.839
Asia, right and then and then
you know, Pearl Harbor or whatever.

418
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.720
But like, I mean that doesn't
make the actions of the United States like

419
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.680
not unconscionable. It's like it's one
of those things to me where it's just

420
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:51.720
like yeah, like even contemplating like
better or worse, it's like I don't

421
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:59.160
care, like just unacceptable, you
know. And and like if it's literally

422
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:04.559
something that's happened while defending one's home, it's like it feels a little different,

423
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.559
right, but like that's not what
this is. It's like some guy

424
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:13.279
got locked up and he's going to
be sent to a labor camp to like

425
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.960
slave wy till he dies, and
you're like kicking him on the way,

426
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:25.400
you know, Like that's just that's
malice and bitterness and an extremely it's a

427
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:34.160
harmful reaction. Like people respond differently
to horrible things happening to them, you

428
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:40.599
know. And I don't feel like
because something horrible happened to you and somebody

429
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:46.160
else was a part of that,
that that exonerates any sense of guilt or

430
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:54.400
responsibility or whatever. I It's like
it's it's a little especially because like the

431
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.000
Earth Kingdom is so powerful and actually, as we come to learn, like

432
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.279
quite oppressive. At the same time, maybe Omashu isn't so much that way.

433
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:07.559
But like we've got a lot to
say about Boston, say that we

434
00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:10.000
had a lot going Yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't you know,

435
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:15.199
we don't have to to get digging
there, quick aside, but yeah,

436
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:21.159
quick aside. I don't understand the
structure of the Earth Kingdom and why Buomi

437
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.719
is a king because there's also the
Earth King in Boston. Sight. I'm

438
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:29.719
just like, I don't understand how
the politics of this nation works. Yeah,

439
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:37.559
yeah, besides that point, right, I the conversation between Iro and

440
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:43.760
the Earth Kingdom soldier, I often
use the phrase manipulative, like that felt

441
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:47.199
very manipulative on the part of the
writers, where the soldier like tells this

442
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:52.039
story like my brother, you killed
my brother, like he burned, like

443
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.920
I can't stand the smell of smoke
or whatever, or I still smell smoke.

444
00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:00.400
You don't know what losses and then
immediately cut to right, like the

445
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:07.280
Liu ten funeral, Yeah, with
the exposition dump of the people whispering like

446
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.960
he just lost his son, and
the siege. Yeah that, like Paul

447
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.519
has mentioned, you know, the
writing. I felt like that was a

448
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.400
good scene, but that the writing
like to get to that point with the

449
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:25.280
Earth Kingdom soldier and the exposition from
the the attendant attendee of the funeral was

450
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.400
like a little manipulative, so I
didn't enjoy it. Yeah, I think

451
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.400
that's fair. And if that scene
had been bad, it would have been

452
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.239
brutal. Yeah. Yeah, I
was like, oh, you're going here

453
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.920
now, and then I was like
okay, but then they make you cry

454
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.840
we're going here now, And I
think I think I think you're saying Paul

455
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:50.760
is fair. I think, like, yeah, it's not really about who

456
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.719
was work. It's weird because it's
like it's not that I want to engage

457
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:59.480
in who is worse, but that
I do think that often the when the

458
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.079
outside perspective can be oh, they're
both equally as bad, that that I

459
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.320
find just as problematic. And yeah, yeah, I agree with you that,

460
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.239
like that's not like I'm not interested
in who's worse, but saying that

461
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:15.079
they're the same and equal, I
think is it's harmful and like wrong but

462
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.480
also kind of irrelevant. It's like
what just why even say that? You

463
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.239
know, just say that they're both
bad, don't say that they're equal.

464
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:29.719
The lesson in these stories is that
someone has to stop the cycle, right,

465
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:36.119
and in this version what we are
given, Iro stops the cycle where

466
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.800
he you know, Zuko helps him
escape and he has the Earth Kingdom soldier

467
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:45.440
on the ground and says something like
there we've all seen enough death, right,

468
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:51.320
which is like it was okay,
but again, like just it felt

469
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.960
a little it still felt a little
aggressive for Iro. Yeah, and so

470
00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:00.880
like, I'm not sure where this
character is at. Yeah. I think

471
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:06.039
that's fair, especially because to me, like, yeah, i think he's

472
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:12.039
just he's probably not where the animated
character was. Yeah, he's he sounded

473
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.440
bitter and again, like I think
it was performed well, but it's just

474
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.360
like that's not where I want this
character to be right now. Do you

475
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:25.239
know Paul so hum Lee's screen name
unlike everything? Oh yeah, yeah,

476
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.960
that's hilarious. That's hilarious. What
do you guys then think of Jet and

477
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:36.239
his portrayal of this because it did
feel like he well I don't want to

478
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:37.760
spoil my own thing. What would
you guys think of how Jet was portrayed?

479
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:44.840
I mean it was okay, he's
got the smolder, this guy,

480
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:50.079
what's his name, his name real
quick. He looks like the part so

481
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:57.000
much. It's like, yeah,
Jet ammo russo like even his like profile

482
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:04.599
pick in the cast listing. He's
got smolder. Oh so I want to

483
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:06.519
talk to him for a second.
But just on that note, I will

484
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:09.679
say the act the acting. Like
I was saying before, I didn't think

485
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:14.719
that Katara had had much acting to
do. I thought the way the actress

486
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:20.559
portrayed Katara kind of fangirling hard for
this guy. But then the moment he

487
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:22.679
crossed the line as she said it, she was just like, nope,

488
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.960
I'm done with you. Ah.
Like I I disagree with her, but

489
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.559
I thought that was very real to
her character and very well portrayed by her.

490
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.880
Yeah, she I'm starting to come
around on her performance. Her name,

491
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.599
So I believe it's it's starts with
a K, but I've I've listened

492
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:47.039
to interviews and I believe it's pronounced
geo and dio. H. So yeah,

493
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:53.239
I'm I'm I'm. I started off
a Sokka fan and coming around on

494
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:58.920
Katara. Although the two of them, the argument they had in the Secret

495
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:06.000
Tunnel was like that felt, well, so what do we think of Jet?

496
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:14.000
Though? I thought that they were
deliberately trying to make Jet less sympathetic

497
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.079
in terms of his aims and goals. But I feel like that's not what

498
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.960
I mean, because he's literally trying
to blow up like a bunch of people,

499
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:29.800
right, And I don't know.
Oh, and I had the exact

500
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.239
opposite reaction. Yeah, No,
I get that. I felt that he

501
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:38.800
was much more sympathetic, and much
more than in the animated because less less

502
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:44.559
sympathetic. Yeah, so where are
you? Where are you with that,

503
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.320
Matthew? Like, Where's I mean? Again, I'm viewing all this through

504
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:51.639
the lens of everything happening in the
world right now in just my general sense

505
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.280
of like anytime you call somebody a
terrorist, especially when they're like the one

506
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.519
fighting against oppression, I'm like,
come on. But like, to me

507
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.159
it he felt like, you know, in that one, he wanted to

508
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:07.840
kill a whole bunch of civilians,
like a whole towns or civilians. Yeah.

509
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.639
Here he was targeting specific buildings where
I think there was like one or

510
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:14.639
two people being hurt at a time, and then he was trying to target

511
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:19.079
someone who was like a legitimate spy
that was you know, hurting their city

512
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:24.800
and seeing things through a very problematic
lens where he meant that where he sees

513
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:30.880
that everybody who is connected to this
person is also there for corrupt and bad

514
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.320
and terrible and thus must die,
which I think we're supposed to disagree with,

515
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:42.840
but he felt like a freedom fighter, and not to get us off

516
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.800
into a completely different discussion, he
felt to me a lot like Sargerera or

517
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:51.599
Lucian from Star Wars end like Sargorero
is from all the things and Lucian is

518
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:54.599
specifically from Andor, but like he
felt like someone who was doing what he

519
00:40:54.679 --> 00:41:00.119
thought was needed to fight, you
know, the oppressors. And I disagree

520
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:06.920
with him to some extent. But
whereas to me, Jet in the animated

521
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.599
just hates Fire Nation people and wants
to kill them for vengeance, here it

522
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:16.039
felt like he had a specific idea
of this will help us to win the

523
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:22.360
war in a strategic way. Like
I hate Lucian and I hate what Lucian

524
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.199
wants to do, but I agree
with him that I'm not sure unless Lucian

525
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.000
did what he does, we get
Luke Skywalker. And I think that's what

526
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.079
makes and Or so brilliant is it
raises those kind of questions and I don't

527
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.320
think Jet needs to do what he
does, but I believe that Jet believes

528
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:38.000
that he needs it, and to
me, that makes him much more sympathetic

529
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:44.920
than the version in the animated.
Okay, In the animated, if I'm

530
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:50.400
trying to recall, he was going
to blow up a damn yep because he

531
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.880
wanted to wipe out a fire Nation
encampment of soldiers and it was also going

532
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.719
to wipe out a village, and
as a consequence, there was also a

533
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:04.599
village of Earth Kingdom people that was
also going to get Like was it Earth

534
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:09.440
Kingdom people or was it like a
Fire Nation colony? Well, I don't

535
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:13.039
know. I felt like it was
like his people, right, and he's

536
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.320
presumably from the Earth Kingdom. Yeah, I think it was his people.

537
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:20.960
That there were civilians, right,
right? Is the point? So like

538
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:31.719
in this one, he is his
goal is to assassinate the king right of

539
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:37.920
his own nation, and that's why
I feel like he's less sympathetic here.

540
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.599
I agree with what you said and
animated he hates the Fire Nation and that's

541
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.159
why he's doing what he's doing,
and he doesn't care about the consequences and

542
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:50.920
the collateral damage in this one.
Okay, like he still hates the Fire

543
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.480
Nation because like his his little band
is like, all, we're all orphans

544
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:59.320
because of the Fire Nation. And
then he chooses to try to assassinate his

545
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:05.519
own king because like he has this
twisted view of politics and corruption and that

546
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.880
like that's what I don't I don't
understand his motives. I think he's just

547
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:15.840
like a misguided idiot kid in this
one. So I thought, I think

548
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:19.800
I thought that he thinks the king
is collaborating with the enemy. Oh,

549
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.639
I did not think that. I
thought that he thinks the mechanist is collaborate.

550
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.519
Well, he knows the mechanist is
collaborating. Yeah, I think because

551
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.199
the mechanist is meeting with the king, Like he jumps to this conclusion,

552
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:35.039
right, I didn't even feel that
was his conclusion. I thought he thought

553
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:38.039
that the king was just like old
and feeble minded and didn't know any what

554
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:43.920
was going on in his own city
and wasn't going to do anything about it,

555
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.679
and he basically just wanted to affect
political change, which yeah, you

556
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:52.800
know, okay, I mean,
if if there was more, it's just

557
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.960
it's I don't know. I I
think the difference for me was that here

558
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:02.440
he's like, I am going to
blow up those people, Like those people,

559
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:08.400
I'm going to specifically murder them,
right, as opposed to I'm going

560
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:14.840
to blow up a damn and it
might kill a bunch of people, but

561
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:20.280
it's and that might be worse in
terms of the outcome, but it feels

562
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:25.320
less personal, you know, it
feels less like I am deliberately killing those

563
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:32.760
people. And there's just something specific
about that that, you know, like

564
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.440
maybe it's not worse, you know, but okay, but it feels different

565
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:43.079
to me. I think I've like
masked it out in my head, like

566
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.480
his goal is to he's trying to
assassinate the king, like, yes,

567
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:52.119
his own king, but they have
been making it look like it's the fire

568
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.039
Nation, right, because that's why
they're using bone right, Yeah, yeah,

569
00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:00.719
so they are trying to frame the
fire Nation for a political assassination.

570
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:05.360
Yeah, it's basically like a false
flag, yeah yeah right. And that

571
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:09.599
and Matthew like that's why I feel
he's less sympathetic here because he there's a

572
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:14.119
there's more of a deliberateness to it, like a misguide. It might have

573
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.559
been a misguided deliberateness, whereas an
animated like he it just felt like he

574
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.360
was acting out of anger. M
yeah, I think we just we just

575
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.079
had very different views of how it
happened then, because I saw what he

576
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.960
was wanting very differently. I don't
think that he has made his mind a

577
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:35.480
sunless space. I'll agree with that. Oh you don't remember the monologue.

578
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.320
Okay, it was just the best
monologue in the history of Star Wars.

579
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.039
But that's fine. Never mind is
that that's from Ander? Yes? Okay,

580
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:50.800
fair, it is a monologue.
I'm sure. Can we at least

581
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.239
say I thought his fighting scenes and
the way they did, like the double

582
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:58.519
sword hooking together was badass, Like
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:05.519
The action continue used to be top
notch. The Iro rescue scene. What's

584
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:12.440
his name, Dallas? Right,
yeah, Ko's character, I mean his

585
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.840
acting is also good. But if
he got cast just because of how he

586
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:22.880
does the spin kegs okay with that? Yeah yeah, no he yeah yeah.

587
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:27.760
And when Paul So and Young Kim
had to do his version of like

588
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.599
I was like, okay, yeah, that that really makes sense. Like

589
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.719
the way he kind of like watching
him, some of this power through his

590
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.880
movement felt to a non martial arts
like me at least very believable. Yeah,

591
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.480
yeah, yeah, he can move
too. But it's funny because Dallas

592
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:46.400
Leo was like almost the only character
in shunk Chi who doesn't like do martial

593
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:52.719
arts in the movie, and I'm
like, oh, he's also like an

594
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:54.239
awesome matter. I mean, maybe
the actor hung out with the others,

595
00:46:54.239 --> 00:47:00.440
like screw it doing Mark. Maybe
he'll be in the Sea Yeah's sequel.

596
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:07.280
Maybe what do you think of We
talked about them being introduced, and we

597
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.760
don't love how they're being introduced,
but just in terms of them as characters,

598
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:14.880
what do you think of Azula and
her Girl Gang, Azula, Miley

599
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:23.960
and may Tylee Tylie thank you.
My one word conclusion is no. My

600
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:30.760
longer conclusion is too too early.
And I don't know what's going on with

601
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:40.000
this and oh my gosh, you
fire Nation whatever resistance fighters don't even know

602
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:45.760
what your princess looks like. I
was really, oh, man, what

603
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.880
was that? I was really like
when when I saw Ben Wong, who

604
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.840
plays the leader of them, I
was like, oh, he's in this

605
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.679
too, Like I don't even know
who this character is and I'm like,

606
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.679
wait, their fire Nation, which
I think me underscored the idea that they

607
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:05.639
really want to show that, like, not everyone in the Fire Nation is

608
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:08.599
like in favor of the war,
which is cool. I also feel like

609
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.719
too soon, Like I don't want
to know that yet. I do know

610
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.920
that, but like I feel like
I feel like it's okay to And I

611
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:21.519
think that's something that was so powerful
about the original is like that you get

612
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.519
to feel like these are the bad
guys, they're the villains, and then

613
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:31.519
over time you understand it's just a
nation of people who's military and government have

614
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:37.280
been doing horrible things, have been
you know, perpetrating this awful war of

615
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:42.679
conquest. But the country is just
a bunch of people, you know.

616
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:46.840
And and I think trying to show
that too early. To me, it's

617
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:52.400
like obviously they're just trying to do
something different and like we'll see, you

618
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.400
know. But I was kind of
like, I so he's he's the lead

619
00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:00.360
of American born Chinese and like,
which I think is a great show that

620
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.599
got canceled after its first season.
It's on Disney if you want to watch

621
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:13.480
it, and it you know,
he's not going to be in any more

622
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.199
episodes of this show, you know. So it's like, oh, although

623
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:21.840
I think he's he's got some gigs
lined up that. You know, look,

624
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:22.920
if you wanted to come in and
shoot one or two sceness, fine,

625
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:27.800
but sure. Yeah, But like
Azula, I was also like,

626
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:34.559
what's she doing here? Yet I
wasn't feeling the character. I feel like

627
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:40.440
the I want the actress who played
Suki to also play Azula. Yeah,

628
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.440
actually that's the same thing. Now
that's interesting. Wow to me. There's

629
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.480
two things. One is, I
do totally agree these characters being brought in

630
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.880
much too soon, in part because
it already starts the idea that Zuko isn't

631
00:49:52.920 --> 00:50:00.840
as bad. Where in season one
Zuko is our primary antagonist with coming up

632
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.719
behind him, and then that starts
to give you the idea. And then

633
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.280
like in season two it's like,
oh wait, now here's Azula, and

634
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.840
then season three it's like, oh
wait, here's Ozi, but still mostly

635
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:14.679
Azula. And so yeah, it
feels way too soon to be seeing so

636
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:19.719
much of Ozi. But also,
and Mary Mahart and I were talking about

637
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:28.559
this a lot. I think a
Zula and ty Lee and may may be

638
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.920
the hardest characters to translate from animation
to live action, you know, because

639
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:38.119
in the animation they feel very over
the top. They feel not in a

640
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:43.880
weird way, but like a in
the way that an animated character who's a

641
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.400
teenager but clearly has this understanding like
they were sexy in a way, like

642
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:50.679
you know, the camera's focusing on
Tylee, like kicking all over the place

643
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:57.000
and things like that in ways that
a lot of bad animation makes very uncomfortable.

644
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:01.320
I think this show did very well, but not even just that specifically,

645
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:04.800
but just like they were so over
the top. They were so kind

646
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.679
of bigger than life in some ways
that I just don't know you can get

647
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:16.280
with real actresses, real act disccle
with meat puppets, yeah, yeah,

648
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:22.000
with human beings where we're you know, and again because the show is supposed

649
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.000
to be more realistic in that way, you know, we don't see when

650
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:30.480
a character gets really angry. We
don't have the like classic animation, like

651
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.639
all the lines behind them gets squiggly
as their eyes bust out. You know,

652
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:40.000
we don't have the And I feel
like Tylee may Azula feel the most

653
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:45.480
sort of of that kind of a
world, you know, I don't like,

654
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:51.719
I don't know what these actors can
do, like in terms of physical

655
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:55.480
performance. So like I was saying, like if Dallas can spin king,

656
00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:01.960
then maybe maybe these actresses can do
some fancy spin kicks and like the ty

657
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:06.320
Lee does a lot of like acrobatic
stuff, right, so yes, yeah,

658
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:10.599
and there may be like some stunt
stunt performers like mixed in. Right.

659
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.000
It's not that I think the actors
can't do the physicality of it.

660
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:20.679
It's that I felt that the characters
were very over the top in a way

661
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:24.880
that I don't know if you can
do with humans instead of animation. I

662
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:29.159
guess I feel like I didn't feel
that way so much. I also,

663
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:30.960
I don't know if I'm alone,
but I didn't feel like any of the

664
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:36.039
characters in the animated show were like
sexy. I don't know, Like that

665
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:37.639
just didn't feel like part of the
show to me. You know. It's

666
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.239
like there were like romances, but
they weren't like steamy romances. It was

667
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.679
like, it's the wrong word,
but I feel like I'm not saying you're

668
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.039
wrong, by the way. Yeah, I'm saying that that's my feeling.

669
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:53.039
That's my subjective experience. I will
say I know an awful lot of people

670
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:58.360
who watched I know an awful lot
of people who watched the show as kids.

671
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.960
Yeah, and had a lot of
awakening feelings watching the three of them.

672
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:05.000
Sure, you know, I mean
it more in that way, not

673
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.639
in a way that like I think
adults look at like oh that's hot,

674
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:12.320
but just kind of like there's it's
that aspect to the characters that I just

675
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:19.320
think doesn't translate well. But I
think that's just television, and that's just

676
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:23.719
like animated television, right, Yeah, Like take the Justice League. Wonder

677
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:30.679
Woman is always running or flying around
in her outfit, which is like presumably

678
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:32.800
sexy. But I don't think as
adults we look at that and go like

679
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:38.199
oh yeah, right, No,
I'm not I think that's the wrong word

680
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:40.880
to use because we're getting hung up
on that. I'm not at all saying

681
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:45.360
that they should be sexier. I'm
saying they all felt fairly flat to me.

682
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:51.079
They didn't feel like, okay,
there's also a who no, no,

683
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:52.960
no, no, I try not
to say anything. I'm going to

684
00:53:53.039 --> 00:54:00.360
cut that out. That their characterizations
all felt very like, yeah, they

685
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:04.519
weren't larger than life, right,
right, you're saying live action ones,

686
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.880
yeah, yeah, Well, I
mean we got like less than a minute

687
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.119
of the three of them. Yeah, yeah, I would you get like

688
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.440
it, so we're like complaining that
it's too soon. They didn't really give

689
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:20.480
us much, but at this point, it is the suggestion that they are

690
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:24.480
bigger players in what's going on in
this season, I think is what we're

691
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:29.000
getting at because specifically, like at
the end, I think at the end

692
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:37.760
of episode four, oh yeah,
Azula is writing back to Jao, Commander

693
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:45.239
Jao and is kind of like setting
him up to take over and betray Zuko,

694
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:49.159
right, which was is not was
not a part of the original So

695
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:53.000
like in the original the animated series, I recently rewatched it and in season

696
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:59.440
one, Azula does not have any
speaking lines and she only appears in the

697
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:05.800
background of the flashbacks, but it's
like very sinister looking. I was like,

698
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.559
oh, there she is, and
I think like the last scene right

699
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.639
of the uh yeah, I think
so. I think it was like the

700
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:17.079
villain like next season villain reveal exactly
it's my turn. Yeah yeah, which

701
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:22.079
is like it was a great reveal
and a great kind of like setup of

702
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:25.360
anticipation for the next season. So
again, like that's what I think we're

703
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.400
all feeling, is like why are
we doing it this way? And then

704
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:31.559
reminded me about the thing I was
gonna say about that, which is that

705
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:37.320
I think because all of the stuff
of the actual Fire Nation was kept off

706
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:44.360
screen the whole time that Zuko and
Iro are going back and forth about like,

707
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:46.599
you know, does your does my
father hate me? Or will he

708
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:49.760
ever give me a chance? Or
won't he ever give me a chance?

709
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.320
All we know is what Iro and
Zuko are saying. Yea. And so

710
00:55:53.719 --> 00:56:00.360
when Zuku actually thinks about going back, we are just as confused he is

711
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:04.800
because we haven't seen it, whereas
in this it's like, Nope, Ozi

712
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:07.280
is very clearly a horrible person.
Zuko, you should never ever think about

713
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.119
going back, right, Yeah,
exactly. Your families will of vipers,

714
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:15.719
your sister wants to kill you.
Your father is terrible. Like and the

715
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.559
way that they filmed Ozi, I
mean, Phil drew Ozi in season one

716
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:23.960
of the animated show, Like it's
a lot I don't think I don't remember

717
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:28.320
if they showed his face. Yeah, like it was a lot of like

718
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:32.039
from behind, like on his throne, like flames all around him, and

719
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:37.320
so yeah, like it's a very
different Ozi portrayal here as well, Yeah,

720
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:43.360
for sure. And and I feel
like it's too soon. I don't

721
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.599
like what I've seen so far.
I'm willing to give it some time because

722
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:51.039
they just haven't had much screen time, you know. I trust that Daniel

723
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.920
Dakim can do a good job of
a lot of the part if they give

724
00:56:53.960 --> 00:57:00.039
him lines and actions that are good, you know. And in terms of

725
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:06.960
Azula and Tylee and May like,
we'll see, like we didn't. We

726
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:09.599
got more than I wanted at this
point, but again not very much.

727
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:16.719
And I guess I don't have the
same feeling about them being kind of larger

728
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:21.840
than life in the animated I feel
like everybody's larger than life in the animated

729
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.760
series in a way, right,
And I can see how they could pull

730
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.239
it off. I mean, I
know people who can like walk on their

731
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.719
hands and you know, do a
bunch of tily stuff, and but then

732
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:37.239
combine that with like a bubbly personality
and the ability to then eventually maybe show

733
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:40.840
another side of her like that.
That sounds difficult. Yeah, it's a

734
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.360
challenge. But I thought Zuko was
gonna be one of the hardest characters to

735
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:50.639
pull off, and I think so
far they've done a great job, as

736
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:55.239
you know. And I thought Jao
was one of the least interesting characters in

737
00:57:55.320 --> 00:58:00.199
the first season of the original and
like here, I think it's may be

738
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.880
the most compelling performance. I'm like, oh like and it's not even like

739
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:07.199
it's just like the delivery that I
don't know. I think Yah Leung is

740
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:13.519
like doing a great job with the
character was on page, you know.

741
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:19.039
I think that may make it a
little more disappointing as well when we get

742
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:23.079
to the end of his arc,
if he's being manipulated by Azula. I

743
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:28.679
don't know. We'll see, we'll
see what HAPs. I will say the

744
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:37.239
actress portraying may completely nailed that completely
dead pan. Yeah, boys, for

745
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:44.800
sure, for sure. Yeah,
that's fair, that's fair. This effected

746
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:51.159
just like talking like this, like
oh my gosh, yeah perfect. I

747
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:58.440
will also say they shoved in way
too many storylines in episodes three and four,

748
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:06.159
but I was so so glad that
they included say and Tao the mechanist

749
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:10.119
and his son, because first of
all, because like this just continues to

750
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:14.280
be a great time for representation as
disabled folks. Like here you have a

751
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:22.639
character who is in a wheelchair for
front specified reasons. The mechanist is able

752
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.679
to use the kind of like crazy
science and you know, air air stuff

753
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.440
to make his wheelchair fly, but
it is still very much a wheelchair and

754
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:32.960
and has to push it at one
point. And so again this fits for

755
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:38.239
me the disability in science fiction e
magic y worlds, but it doesn't erase

756
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:45.960
the disability. But also just their
characterizations were great, and I loved the

757
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:50.480
TV show community, and I love
the character of Abed. And I should

758
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:53.719
have looked up the name of the
actor, Danny Pooty. Danny Pooty,

759
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:59.280
thank you. I've seen him play
a number of roles since then where he's

760
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:04.119
basically playing other versions of Abed,
and so to see him play something so

761
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.760
different and to play like it's not
a huge role but it's one of the

762
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:13.000
real emotional centers of this particular arc, and to play it with so much

763
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:16.719
humanity, Like I think we can
judge him, but I didn't for a

764
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:21.280
moment not feel sympathetic to him.
I felt very like, this is a

765
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.920
man in an impossible situation. I
don't want to I wish he had made

766
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:30.920
a better choice, but I can't
swear that I would make a better choice

767
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:34.280
in his position, which is to
me like exactly the acting you need from

768
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.400
that. And I was just and
I love the kid who's playing Teo,

769
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.199
and I just everything about those two
and the role they played made me really

770
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:45.159
happy. Yeah, I'll just co
sign that. I'm not sure how much

771
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:50.159
I have to add, but like
I do agree that, like they shoved

772
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:52.239
a lot of stuff in, but
like they did, those two characters,

773
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:57.360
well, you know, and I'm
very glad that those characters are in the

774
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.679
story. I hope they continue being
to the in the story, as you

775
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:06.159
know, at least as much as
they were in the original series. And

776
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:12.920
yeah, it's interesting because like he
and Jet Sigh and Jet Right were both

777
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:19.280
I think they were both. Yeah, he was supposed to mirror each other.

778
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:30.480
Yeah, basically right, And for
some reason I found him more more

779
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.639
relatable. And maybe it has to
do with the performance. Maybe it's the

780
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:37.239
dialogue. I'm not sure, you
know, but maybe it's just my own

781
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:44.960
sort of tendencies. Well, he
was in his view, he was collaborating

782
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:51.199
with the Fire Nation to forestall an
invasion, right, right, because he

783
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.519
says, like, as long as
I pass information along to them, they

784
01:01:53.599 --> 01:02:00.199
won't exact right right. So he's
which what he's not telling himself is I'm

785
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:04.039
helping them attack other people so they
don't attack us. Like I think he's

786
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:07.159
working in self denial in some extent, but yeah, he has a noble

787
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.320
goal. Yeah yeah, and it
feels to me like he's he's kind of

788
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:13.719
lying to himself about that, right, Yeah, he's he's basically trying to

789
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:16.400
be like, Okay, I'm just
gonna keep my head down and protect myself,

790
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:22.480
protect my son, and protect my
city to the meager amount that I

791
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:28.039
can and just kind of try not
to worry about the consequences of that because

792
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:34.239
you know, this is I have
to do this. And but yeah,

793
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:39.679
I really enjoyed his interaction with soccer
as well. You know, yeah,

794
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:44.639
like we haven't talked about soccer much, but I felt like we got a

795
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:50.360
lot more of the soccer engineer angle
here, like which did exist. But

796
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:55.599
maybe that that is a like subtle
direction, a subtle different direction that they

797
01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:00.920
can take things in and add that
to his character more, because I don't

798
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:07.599
think it was mentioned very much after
the meeting between these characters originally. Yeah,

799
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:09.239
he was more like the plan guy. Well, I mean there's there's

800
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:13.719
at least one thing that he designed. Yeah, okay, that's fair.

801
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:20.039
Yeah, that comes across much later. But yeah, he plays And what

802
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:28.599
do you think of Boomy fun?
I guess it's the main thing. He

803
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:35.239
was definitely in the episode. I
mean, yeah, I guess I didn't

804
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.719
have really strong opinions. I kept
kind of trying to square, like,

805
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:47.719
having seen that the Boomy felt like
a character and this story arc, that

806
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:53.679
was one of the hardest things for
me to kind of square with the animated

807
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:58.639
series, you know, and like
they had a statue of Flopsy, right,

808
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:02.039
but they're like, we're not going
to have Aang fighting a giant rabbit,

809
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:04.239
Like We're just, yeah, we're
not going to do that in the

810
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:11.440
live action okay, And the sort
of thing at the end where he's like,

811
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.599
you know, you have to make
a choice, you have to kill

812
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:18.679
me this or that, blah blah
blah. It it felt very different to

813
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:24.199
me. I don't I don't remember
whether he was quite that kind of harsh

814
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:30.760
in the or in the original,
but it felt different to me. It

815
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:38.079
felt more that confrontation felt stronger here. Yeah, I think in the original

816
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:42.960
he already thinks that what Ag is
doing is good. He's happy to see

817
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:45.480
Aang, but he wants Aang to
be the best avatar I can be,

818
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:53.159
and this, it feels like his
frustration and his bitterness towards Aang is more

819
01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:59.840
what's coming out, and I felt
like that was I didn't. I felt

820
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:02.079
like that was a choice that I
was very okay with because it's called again

821
01:05:02.119 --> 01:05:05.280
like that they're trying to tell us
somewhat different kind of a story and it

822
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:09.559
is more grim dark because I guess
everything has to be more grim dark now

823
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.719
and I don't. I don't if
you told me at the beginning, this

824
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:15.079
is gonna be a more grim dark
version of Avatar. I've been like,

825
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:16.480
that's not what I want. Yeah, But now that I know what we're

826
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:19.840
getting, I actually thought it worked
really well because I did think that was

827
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:24.719
the episode was really like, Okay, this gets the whimsy, Like there

828
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:29.119
were so many of the boomy moments, like the bad jokes and the things

829
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:31.360
like that that were so perfect to
the original. What do you mean bad

830
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:35.440
jokes? Well, exactly, yeah, exactly, bad jokes. But then

831
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:45.239
the you know that moment of him
saying like you have to choose to me,

832
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:49.440
I don't want to spoil too much. It feels like it very foreshadow,

833
01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:56.000
very much foreshadows a significant part of
Aang's journey towards the end where he

834
01:05:56.119 --> 01:06:00.639
is you know, he is told
multiple times being the avatar means you have

835
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:02.920
to make these hard choices and be
willing to sacrifice and be willing to do

836
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:08.840
things you don't like. And Aang
is the one person who's like, normally

837
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:11.400
I hate that, like, oh, you can always find a third way

838
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:14.519
to not have to make the hard
choice. Aang's a character I want to

839
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:18.039
be able to do that, and
I so, yeah, it felt like

840
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:21.800
I've seen some people be like Boomy
would never ever say that, And yeah,

841
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:25.639
I think I think animated Boomy would
never say say the things he does,

842
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.599
especially like like I really wanted him
to say, you think like a

843
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:32.679
child and that's why you're great.
Never stop, right, right, But

844
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:36.360
that's not the best part this Boomy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that

845
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:43.320
Boomy I feel like lived into his
one hundred and teens because he had this

846
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:48.360
childlike essence right at his core that
he'd hung onto for his whole life,

847
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:53.800
and you know, a kind of
like youthful interior that like maybe is part

848
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:59.440
of the reason that his exterior,
you know, persevered for so long.

849
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:03.760
But like this Boomy feels like,
no, he's like old and bitter,

850
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:09.400
and like a lot of more of
the things that I feel are like super

851
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:15.480
stereotypical and like kind of agist and
whatever. And I mean, of course

852
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:16.960
there's older people who are like that, and of course there's older people who

853
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.920
aren't, you know, and like
they decided to go this way, but

854
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:26.719
he still has that essence in him. It's just it's it's, you know,

855
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.599
one hundred years of war, but
like you know, how many I

856
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:41.079
think it was one hundred, but
it it does let it lets Ang actually

857
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:44.880
like do a thing, yeah,
you know, which, like I feel

858
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.440
like he didn't do a lot of
things in the earlier episodes kind of where

859
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:53.639
it's like he gets to hit much
the way that Riki doesn't want him to

860
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:57.800
help Iro on his journey. Here, Boomy has a journey that doesn't really

861
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:01.079
exist in the other version of Boomy. You know, their Boomy is there

862
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:05.559
to help Aang on his journey.
Here he kind of thinks he's doing that,

863
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:10.079
but it's the other way around,
and he's like, yeah, yeah,

864
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:13.280
no, I can trust my friends. They're right there. You know,

865
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:15.800
they just saved you. And that's
something we keep getting right because it's

866
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:19.079
the same thing happened on Kiyoshi Island. It's like, oh, like,

867
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:24.039
now now that the avatar has shown
us the way, like we can rejoin

868
01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:28.760
the struggle. Like that, they're
all using like the same kind of language,

869
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.359
and that's why I think, like
the cart ride that the two of

870
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:34.600
them go out at the end is
very essential because it shows that Boomy has

871
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:39.239
gone, you know, has progressed
on the journey. The cgi of it

872
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:42.439
was yeah, but like, yeah, I was so happy when they did

873
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:45.119
that, you know, yeah,
yeah, for sure that was necessary.

874
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:48.159
There were so many moments in that
episode that just like maybe it's fan service,

875
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:54.720
but it made me so happy,
you know, especially when like they

876
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.479
gave us Secret Tunnel, but it
was a new verse and I was like,

877
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:00.039
and then they started to go and
I was like, are you not

878
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.319
gonna actually give it to it?
And then they actually started singing secret Right.

879
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:10.479
Okay, I'm gonna whisper this because
Sarah's in the other room. I

880
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:13.279
don't want to hear me say this, but I'm not a fan of Secret

881
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:20.239
Tunnel. Did that come through?
Are you mad at Are you mad at

882
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:24.840
me? Too? Now? No, mostly I'm mad at myself that I

883
01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:29.600
haven't learned the video response. The
video controls yet, because if I've been

884
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:32.880
able to turn off your video immediately
after you said that, it would have

885
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:38.319
been fantastic. No, I I
don't have the love for it that a

886
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:41.840
lot of other people do. I
just like I've come to see it as

887
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:45.239
a fun essential moment in the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

888
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:48.279
It's like it's also definitely not my
favorite, I'll say that, but like

889
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:53.119
it. It was just funny.
Like before the show came out, I

890
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:57.640
was reading a book and it literally
said secret Tunnel because the show's coming up,

891
01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:00.960
Like I had to hear it in
that those tones, and then we

892
01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:04.159
talked about it like yeah, they're
probably not gonna do secret Tunnel, and

893
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:10.199
then they do secret Tunnel. Well
it was funny to me, so like

894
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:15.640
it. Coincidentally, I watched this
or episode four with Sarah, like I

895
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:18.520
watched the first three without her,
but I watched this one with her and

896
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:20.680
I was kind of like bringing her
up to speed and I was like,

897
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:26.239
yeah, this version is like a
lot more dark. And then like it

898
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:30.199
starts off with like some some dark
scene because there the fire Nation scene right

899
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:34.199
like the the Rebels. It's like, oh yeah, it is dark,

900
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:40.479
and then the intro starts, and
the name of the episode was Into the

901
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:45.039
Dark. It's like, oh my
gosh, yeah, what's going on here?

902
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:50.760
Yeah, yeah, I figured it. I liked it all right.

903
01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:55.880
Anything else you guys want to say
on this episode? I mentioned, I

904
01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:59.760
mentioned Aang. I mentioned like,
I'm much higher on the Iro character now

905
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.960
all I'm worried about the direction he's
going, like the portrayal and the performance

906
01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:10.199
is great. Bang, Like I
took a dip in these episodes, and

907
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:15.239
I'm I don't know much about a
d R. I don't even remember what

908
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:24.079
it stands for, but I I
just it's the American No, It's like

909
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:32.720
it's like after dialogue recording is yeah, okay, okay, And I just

910
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:41.239
something about the Ang performance and the
way that the audio of his voice was

911
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:45.640
syncing up just like gave me a
DR vibes. And I feel like that

912
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:51.760
maybe kind of why I'm not digging
the performance as much. Auto made a

913
01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:58.880
dialogue replacement. Yeah, it's when
they record the dialogue again like afterwards in

914
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.880
the studio and mm hmm and layer
it over and so I don't know if

915
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:08.119
they're actually doing it, but it
just something about it, something about his

916
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:12.039
dialogue, just like didn't sit right
with me In this one. I was

917
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:16.720
reading something that apparently, in some
version, like the actor wasn't really enunciating

918
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:20.399
his words quite as much, and
so the director told him to really like

919
01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:25.399
over an enunciate, which which feel
like it fits because I feel like that's

920
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:29.439
kind of what's happening. I have
no idea how accurate that is. I

921
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:31.720
read it on Twitter, so you
know, take it with major, major

922
01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:38.560
cartons of salt. But yeah,
I feel like the his physical motions are

923
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:44.239
great. He looks the part.
You know, is it the is this

924
01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:49.880
Natalie Portman in the professional levels of
kid acting? No? But is it

925
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:55.000
you know, some of the very
bad exactly in the Attack of the Clones.

926
01:12:55.319 --> 01:13:01.840
No, you know, yeah,
so we'll think, we'll think yeah,

927
01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:10.600
yeah, yeah. I mean I
also feel like I don't know how

928
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:13.560
much of it's the delivery though,
and how much of it's the dialogue if

929
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:15.840
it's like some of it's just like
a little too on the nose and whatever.

930
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:24.039
But also, you know, Aang
hasn't been top you know, like,

931
01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:27.920
yeah, maybe we should just do
more backstory and just have them like

932
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.520
chilling with Guillatu more, you know, because that worked. It worked,

933
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:36.800
But like some of these not as
much, but I mean obviously, yeah,

934
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:43.399
and and that that's the thing,
like I know, a like when

935
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:49.800
we're being critical of performances, and
especially child actor performances, like we have

936
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:56.800
to be very clear these days as
fans, like don't harass the performers,

937
01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:01.720
right, hey, don't harass any
performance of any age, but especially not

938
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:10.319
kids here. Yeah, sure,
but b like part of performance comes from

939
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:15.279
experience, right, like life experience
or even just acting experience. And so

940
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:20.159
when you said that, Paul,
like that really like light bulb went off

941
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:25.640
for me, Like the Giazza scenes, Like that's a kid talking to his

942
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:29.600
father figure and just like having a
good time with us his dad, and

943
01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.279
so like it's understandable that he can
give a good performance there because it's like,

944
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:38.640
yeah, like that's that's what kids
do as the avatar or like having

945
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:43.840
to talk about responsibility in the world
and war like that type of dialogue may

946
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:47.920
be more difficult for a child actor
to deliver with the right gravitas, right,

947
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:54.840
That's understandable, And so like I
don't I'm I'm critical of the performance

948
01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:58.319
because it's not meeting the standard of
what I want, you know, the

949
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:01.319
show to be, but I think
it's understandable that it might come off that

950
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:04.600
way because of these reasons, and
that's just kind of like a consequence that

951
01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:09.479
we had to deal with. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's just one

952
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:15.119
of several reasons that I always thought
that this story was just going to always

953
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:23.079
be a difficult live action adaptation because
you know, the main protagonists are very

954
01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:29.640
young, and it's it's hard to
act, you know, It's just it's

955
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:33.279
it's it takes you know, it
takes decades to learn a lot of crafts,

956
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:36.680
you know, and acting. You
can have a lot of natural talent,

957
01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:41.479
but it's like you can't have twenty
years of experience when you're fifteen,

958
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:45.680
right, that's not you know,
matter. And the difficulty with this,

959
01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:54.439
with this product specifically, is that
it's all kind of pre written, Like

960
01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:58.319
they can write different dialogue, but
they have the story and they have to

961
01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:00.600
tell the story. And I think
about it, like, I was just

962
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:04.880
thinking about child actors right now,
and it brought to mind stranger things.

963
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:11.000
I think one of the brilliant things
that that show does is that it puts

964
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:16.560
these like wild, you know,
supernatural, world bending consequences, but then

965
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:21.600
it had the actors talk about like
D and D and video games and like

966
01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:26.680
put it in reference to like Ghostbusters
and stuff, right, and so like

967
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:30.439
that made those performances more natural and
more believable because it was just like kids

968
01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:35.560
putting this like ridiculous thing that they're
thrown into, but then relating it back

969
01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:39.960
to things that they know. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

970
01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:44.840
And I'll also say not of his
defense going either you were talking about any

971
01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:47.600
means, but just one more thing, like you know, to speak to

972
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:57.079
the talent of the kid who's playing
aang. If an actor is like any

973
01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:00.560
good at that age, I imagine
it's because among other things, like you

974
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:01.800
know, they probably have been like
you know, doing a lot of like

975
01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:05.039
child acting, you know, and
like school plays or you know, mom

976
01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.079
has gotten them an acting coach.
Whatever. This is a kid who I

977
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:13.319
understand has studied more martial arts than
probably a lot of people doing their whole

978
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:17.800
lives at the age of twelve or
thirteen, and so like, yeah,

979
01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:21.800
to me him, he really has
to have a double skill set that don't

980
01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:26.159
Yeah, many people don't necessarily like
don't necessarily have you know, I don't

981
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:30.439
think many people are training in martial
arts and starting in the school play very

982
01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:34.840
often. So to me, like
the fact that he is like better than

983
01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:41.880
the average at both with one being
significantly high. He's not the most He's

984
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:45.399
not my favorite performance that I could
imagine from aang. But there's nothing about

985
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:47.560
it that's really pulling me out.
And I would say, especially like to

986
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:50.319
me, the moments where it feels
put out, it's because it feels so

987
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:53.439
on the nose. And I agree
with you, Paul, maybe the dialogue

988
01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:58.199
as much as anything there. Yeah, And I mean that speaks to another

989
01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:01.840
thing that makes this serious difficult is
like you have to staff almost your entire

990
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:05.319
cast with martial artists, and then
you need them to be able to act,

991
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:09.720
you know. And it's like I
spent a lot of time learning martial

992
01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:13.000
arts. I didn't spend that time
practicing acting. You know. I got

993
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.720
to do stunts in some horror movie. Yeah, kicked a naked guy in

994
01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:18.880
the head, but like, you
know, it's I also got dropped on

995
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:25.159
my head on concrete repeatedly, which
I don't recommend, Like I do not

996
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:28.800
recommend anyway, but like, yeah, it's it's a lot. You know,

997
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:31.000
when you see a twelve year old
who's like super good at martial arts,

998
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:35.880
it's very impressive. And then if
they're also even competent at something else,

999
01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:41.520
like that's super impressive, you know. Yeah, and yeah, yeah,

1000
01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:45.319
I agree with that. And I
think the physical performance is definitely there.

1001
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:50.920
And as I said in the last
episode, I think he doesn't have

1002
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:56.119
to carry the show. He just
has to exist and then you know,

1003
01:18:56.239 --> 01:19:00.520
like be the through line of it
and that's okay. And meanwhile, on

1004
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:08.119
the other side, I I think
Dallas Leu is a breakout yeah list like

1005
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:14.840
so far, like his I everything
he's doing, like in the physical acting,

1006
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:20.199
the martial arts and the acting acting, like I love Zuko and the

1007
01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:26.760
original and I think that's that's gonna
be my takeaway here is that like this

1008
01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:30.600
Zuco performance is going to be a
plus. Yeah, yeah, I'm with

1009
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:35.520
you on that, And yeah,
I'm really looking forward to seeing more from

1010
01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:40.479
him. And I think, you
know, I think Gordon Cormier, who's

1011
01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:45.840
playing aang like he's got time,
you know, like I think, needs

1012
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:51.640
to be more compelling in season three
than in season one. Yeah, you

1013
01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:57.239
know, there's more, there's more
weight, there's more, like the burden

1014
01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:01.359
he carries gets larger as the series
goes on. I thin think and and

1015
01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:05.520
you know, some of the decisions
get tougher, and like, you know,

1016
01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:09.640
it's going to take them years to
film the whole series, right,

1017
01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:15.239
assuming that they get season two and
three, And like you can improve a

1018
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:19.279
lot, like if you're if you're
spending time, you know, working on

1019
01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:24.159
your craft with other like world class
performers, like you're gonna get better.

1020
01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:30.600
So yes, And I also think, like I think Aang hasn't been given

1021
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:35.640
that much to do so far.
Right in the first half of the first

1022
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:42.000
like three quarters of the first season
of Avatar, the two main plot journeys

1023
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.159
he has is that he doesn't really
he kind of wants to be whimsical and

1024
01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:49.279
fun and isn't really ready to take
on the responsibility that he has, and

1025
01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:53.399
that at first he's really kind of
arrogant, or not arrogant, but just

1026
01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:56.840
he he loves being the star,
and he loves being adored by everyone and

1027
01:20:57.079 --> 01:21:02.159
vain even right when when everybody's oh
and hey, look at me. And

1028
01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:06.720
frankly, I'm okay that like the
first one we sort of circumvented, we

1029
01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:11.640
talked about that yesterday, But the
other one, like I'm pretty okay with

1030
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:14.520
the fact that we don't have that
at all. Like, so, yeah,

1031
01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:15.960
I agree with that. I think
we have a lot of time for

1032
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:18.279
a to do more and we don't
really need him to be a top level

1033
01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:23.960
actor until till further down. Yeah, So as one go for it,

1034
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:28.600
final thing, I had a random
thought. You know, we've been talking

1035
01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:32.359
about three seasons, and I'm gonna
throw this out to you all to maybe

1036
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:36.760
think about and we can come back
to again later and also to the audience,

1037
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:43.560
what do you think about the possibility
that the live action show could go

1038
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:48.800
longer than three seasons? Very likely
meaning specifically, well, two things awesome,

1039
01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:53.399
okay, like spreading spreading it out
over seasons, right, like the

1040
01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:58.119
three seasons of animated chopping up into
four seasons of live action, let's say,

1041
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:04.960
or showing more of the after the
end of the series, stuff that

1042
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:10.600
did happen, like canonically in the
comic books, like there is story written

1043
01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:15.600
for what happens after from purely if
they can do it right, I would

1044
01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:21.439
absolutely love that, But I'm very
concerned about it. And it's entirely due

1045
01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:29.399
to the most recent season of Stranger
Things, because in Stranger Things they cast

1046
01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:33.520
a number of people to all play
kids around the same age, but because

1047
01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:38.720
puberty happens in different ages and kids
age in different ways, those kids were

1048
01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:43.000
actually the actors were all different ages
because at the time they started shooting season

1049
01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:46.000
one, they all look to be
around the same age. By the time

1050
01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:51.039
of season four they don't, and
it really throws off the show. I

1051
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:56.000
think in some very bad ways that
some of the actors have really hit their

1052
01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:01.359
growth sports and others haven't. And
you know, like I like if they

1053
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:04.079
can somehow, Like you know,
if you know, if you could look

1054
01:23:04.119 --> 01:23:06.920
into the future of all those actors
and be like, yeah, we know

1055
01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:14.640
what it is, signed me up. But I am very nervous about situations

1056
01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:18.359
where you know, andang, maybe
he might you know that that Gordon might

1057
01:23:18.359 --> 01:23:21.600
start aging in ways that makes him
look older than everybody else or and you

1058
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:26.359
can do things with the makeup and
stuff. But like, like I think

1059
01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.239
it's definitely possible. But I think
one of the dangers of having a bunch

1060
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:32.760
of kid actors over a long period
of time is that the actors may well

1061
01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:35.680
age at very different rates than the
characters are supposed to, and that could

1062
01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:39.199
be a problem. And great,
you know it's supposed to be now a

1063
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:44.960
longer show, not just six months, but you know it should be kind

1064
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.439
of thing. I'll say first of
all Stranger Things, it doesn't bother me

1065
01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:54.319
at all. I think it's hilarious. I think because people age differently.

1066
01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:58.600
Like I remember growing up and like
I have a friend who looks older than

1067
01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:00.600
me, and then I look older
than them, you know, like I

1068
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:03.439
grew ten inches in a year,
like, and I remember people talking about,

1069
01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:06.880
oh, the freshman looks so young
this year, and I'm like like

1070
01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:11.600
six feet tall almost, and like
looking down at this senior who's like five

1071
01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:14.680
foot six, I'm like, okay, And like, you know, like

1072
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:19.720
it. I understand that it feels
weird, and I think if there's like

1073
01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:26.079
romances and stuff, it probably feels
more weird. But like I don't know

1074
01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:31.600
like how people look like in terms
of age. Just I feel like I've

1075
01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:34.720
got a lot of thoughts on it. Will will not delve deep into it,

1076
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:39.039
but like my thoughts are kind of
like non thoughts in a way.

1077
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:45.600
I will say that one thing in
Stranger Things that makes it so hilarious is

1078
01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:51.239
that they deliberately hired younger looking adults
to play the older teenagers, who then

1079
01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:56.720
remain being younger looking because it's just
like sort of their bone structure or whatever.

1080
01:24:56.960 --> 01:25:00.760
And then when the kids who were
actually kids when they were grow up,

1081
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:03.439
they then look older than they're younger, that they look older than their

1082
01:25:03.479 --> 01:25:06.920
older siblings. Yes, which exactly
is that's the thing that kind of seems

1083
01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:10.880
weird, but sometimes that happens,
you know, like that happens. That's

1084
01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:15.479
a thing. But in terms of
this series, I think if they stretch

1085
01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:19.760
it out over more years, it
like within the timeframe of the show instead

1086
01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:24.600
of it being like a six month
period or something, I think that will

1087
01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:30.640
then be more credible and probably not
such a big deal. I do think

1088
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:35.000
though, that the stuff that happens
after the end of the animated series,

1089
01:25:35.560 --> 01:25:40.119
you could just say it happens some
number of years later and then e study

1090
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:44.199
just looks older and it's like,
that's not a big deal. I think.

1091
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:48.439
Oh. I more mean if like
season two of the animated becomes two

1092
01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:54.439
seasons of live action so that its
fight, so that if we're finishing the

1093
01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:58.199
story of the first three seons,
Yeah, of the three animated seasons in

1094
01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:02.319
five, so it's five years from
now is when we're having Child aang But

1095
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:05.840
now Child aang looks like he can
buy cigarettes or maybe even beer. Right,

1096
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:09.359
that's when it's gonna feel weird to
me. Oh yeah, I hear

1097
01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:13.319
you. Yeah, if it looks
like somebody's aged six years because the actor

1098
01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:16.479
has in the course of like two
weeks in the show that happened in Lost,

1099
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:20.079
which we have at least two actors
from Lost on this show already,

1100
01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:25.640
there was a kid who then got
written out of season two or three because

1101
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:29.880
he shot up like a foot and
because of however the production schedule is.

1102
01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:32.720
They're like, no time was supposed
to have taken place between season like one

1103
01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:35.920
and two or two and three or
whatever. And then they're like, Okay,

1104
01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:41.880
this kid looks like five years older
than he did like literally a minute

1105
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:44.159
ago in the show, Like what
are we gonna do? Yeah, they

1106
01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:45.880
just wrote him out. And like
you can you can use act you can

1107
01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:49.479
use makeup and fashion and stuff like
that, like to make an adult look

1108
01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:55.079
like a teenager or make a right, but like I mean, unless you

1109
01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:58.640
bring in Peter Jackson, like making
everyone look a foot smaller than they are,

1110
01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:05.600
I mean, I think the Hollywood
standard of having adults play teenagers is

1111
01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:11.720
just ridiculous and always has been and
like kind of hilarious, but like you

1112
01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:15.560
know, but it's you just have
to have you just have to have the

1113
01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:19.760
women have bangs because that's right,
universal signifier of being younger. Yeah,

1114
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:24.079
yeah, give all the boys pad
of one braids. No, don't do

1115
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:26.439
that, never mind, all right, Well, this has been wonderful.

1116
01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:29.399
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1117
01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:30.840
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01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:51.560
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1130
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