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There's an s turn on the road. Some of the snow plows they have

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this light. It's just ultra bright
light on the passenger side. It's it's

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basically supposed to light up the passenger
or the or the ditch side of the

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road because of the wing plow.
And if I think if it wasn't for

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that, I wouldn't have seen this
thing. You hear the stories and you

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tell people, and I'm sure you've
heard this from others that that this thing

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was big, and you don't and
you will not grasp it until you see

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this thing. This had to be
the alpha male, and if it wasn't,

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then I don't want to see an
alpha male. It was just massive.

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I'd like to welcome Stan to Bigfoot
Crossroads. Stan. How are you

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doing, sir? I'm doing well, man. How are you this afternoon?

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Doing all right? Doing all right? Man? I appreciate you coming

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on here like this and talking to
me. You know, we talked a

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little bit about your encounter that you
had, and there were some aspects of

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it that actually really interested me.
So I'm excited to talk about it.

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Man. First off, where are
you from? Tell me a little bit

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about yourself. I grew up in
the in pretty much bigfoot mecca in central

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Washington. I grew up Oh geez, I think our nearest neighbor, our

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year round neighbor, was about ten
miles away. Wow. So yeah,

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we were out in the sticks.
Today it's totally different. It's the population

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has absolutely exploded where I lived.
But from there, I mean, I

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pretty much, except for a little
bit of time in the military, I

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pretty much has been running around the
middle of the Northwest. I spent a

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little time out in Pennsylvania, which
was I did that as a business assignment.

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But I did that so I can
go out there and look at some

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of the areas out there for bigfoot
sightings as well. Man, he could

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actually be kind of surprised how many
people do that. You know what,

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once you catch the bug, man, it's always on your mind wherever you

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go. Well, after my sighting
in twenty fifteen, you know, I

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was one of those people that.
So we owned a restaurant out like I

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said, about fifteen miles from from
the nearest from the nearest restaurant or from

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the nearest grocery store. So,
like I said, we were out in

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the sticks. But we owned a
restaurant out there. It was kind of

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a cafe tavern. I don't wear
that look, you know, that remote

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pretty much anything you want to call
it, social club whatever. Yeah.

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So we got we got hikers,
we got hunters, we got fishermen,

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we got you know, campers all
the time coming in saying, you know,

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weird things happened. And when I
was a child, I was one

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of those people that I was smart
enough. And I'm not to say that

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I was lied to by my parents, but you know, being six,

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seven, eight, nine years old, you know, parents would said,

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well, don't leave the property because
you don't know what's out in those woods,

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and I just you know, oh
yeah, the boogeyman, ha ha.

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Right. So by ten by by
ten years old, yeah, I

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started walking. I would I would
start hiking on my own and I would

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take off and never come home for
five, six, seven, eight hours

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at a time. And you know, parents were busy at the restaurant.

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So long as I wasn't hurt,
they didn't really care, you know,

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which is good and bad, you
know. But I came home and ate

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dinner and went on my merry little
way. It wasn't until my sighting that

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yeah, which by the way,
which in January, January fifteenth of twenty

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fifteen. And when I had my
sighting, there's so many emotions went through

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me, and I remembered a couple
of them being, you know, I

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was being like to and about all
these loggers and whatever say, oh,

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there's no such thing as sasquatch or
big foot or whatever. And I'm sitting

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there looking at this thing, and
I'm like, you're telling me that's not

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real. But did you paint that
on my windshield? You know, I

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don't understand. Is this one of
those Scooby Doo things that the movie,

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you know, with the movie camera
that you know, trying to keep me,

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you know, but in my truck
and away I went, so,

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you know, I and and from
there just just started a flurry of I

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immediately went on the internet and started
to research the topic a heck of a

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lot more. I started to read
books, blah blah blah, you know,

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talk to people, talk to friends. And it was only then that

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I realized that when I was out
walking around it, you know, and

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eleven years old, that I've had
experiences pretty much all my life and I

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didn't even realize it, just that
Bigfoot hindsight. Yeah, once the eyes

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are open. Yeah, yeah,
you know, I who you know,

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I didn't know that they would throw
sticks and pine cones and rocks and you

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know whatever else at you not that
I not that I ever recalled that ever

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happening to me. But I didn't
know that they would do screams and howls

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and in wood knocks and clacker you
know, clack rocks together, and which

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I know I've heard all that kind
of stuff when I was a kid.

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I know it. I know the
rock the rock clacking, you know when

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they yeah, that is I know. I've heard that several times. And

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when people do it, you know, as a joke, it's always triggers

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a memory from when I was a
kid, going, you know, I

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heard that up at Culter Creek one
time. You know. So, I

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mean, why would a sasquats look
at a ten year old going, oh

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my gosh, that's a threat,
you know exactly. I mean, if

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you don't mind, let's just kind
of, you know, break it down

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and walk through your siding. Sure, okay, Like I said, it

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was January fifteenth, approximately about one
one fifteen, one thirty in the morning

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on twenty fifteen. I was working
as a seasonal snowplow driver. I was,

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even though I was living in a
little town called Winanching. I worked

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up basically where I grew up,
about about thirty miles away is where I

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was actually my route was. I
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I got stuck on the night shift, which hide and Sight was one of

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my favorite shifts, still one of
my favorite things to do today. And

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that it was one of those really
slow, real no cars around. We

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had a really abnormal snowfall that year, but this night was never had those

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nights where it kind of like snows
for about maybe fifteen to twenty minutes for

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maybe like a quarter inch flurries basically, and then stopped for a couple hours

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and then maybe another end. It
was one of those nights where it was

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just it wasn't even worth being there, but I'm going to plow the roads

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just because I'm bored. At one
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I was driving down the road.
I was just kind of dazing off and

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you know what I'm going to do
the next day, you know when I

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wake up and trying to you know, just I really wasn't, you know,

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just kind of zoned down and uh, there's a there's an S turn

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on the road and you swing to
the left and then you swing back to

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the right. And I know some
people, probably some of your listeners will

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know this that some of the snowplows
they have this light. It's just ultra

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bright light on the passenger side.
It's it's basically supposed to light up the

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passenger or the or the ditch side
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so we don't hit the wing,
blow break it off, do it

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cause damage on everything, you know, whatever. We just replaced it that

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day before the shift, and it
was just illuminating. And if I think

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if it wasn't for that, I
wouldn't have seen this thing. I was

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coming up on a train trestle and
as I was swinging from because as I

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said, you know, I was
entering the S turn going to the left

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and I was coming back to the
right, it had flinched right at the

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lat at the right moment, and
it caught my eye. It was I

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joke about it today saying that it
was like it was like a kid getting

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caught, you know, with the
hand in the kid cookie jar. I

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was like you and uh, I
continued on and I just stared at this

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thing. I was just I was
in. I was just in wonder.

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You know, you you hear the
stories and you tell people and you I'm

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sure you've heard this from others that
that this thing was big, and you

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don't and you will not aspit until
you see this thing. This had to

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be the alpha male, and if
it wasn't, then I don't want to

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see an alpha male. It was. It was just massive. I I

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I. It was a brownish black. I only got to see as you

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know, as you as your as
your nose is facing forward as twelve o'clock,

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I only got to see, like
from the seven o'clock profile all all

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the way around to the two.
It was climbing up the hill. And

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what made it worse is that there
were about five or six foot trees that

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are along the the the road climbing
up to the railroad tracks. Since that

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timeframe, some of the trees have
been knocked down because they got too big

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and they were interfering with the railway
and uh and but a couple of them

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are still there today. And I
was pass through and my eyes I was

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just fixiated. Even though even though
the trees were blocking my view. I

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was. I was just memorized.
I was, I was memorized. I

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was. I how I made it
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I don't know, but I just
And there was one spot between the

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cab of the truck and the mirror
that it hit just right between two trees.

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And I got to see some of
the muscle definitions, some of the

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of of of his because it's his
leg that was closer to me, meaning

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his right leg was totally straight.
His left leg was kind of like he

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was stepping, you know, so
he was up a half and I got

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to see his right arm. And
I didn't get to see its face,

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which I wished some day. I
wish I get to see another one.

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I like to see the face because
a lot of people, and a lot

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of reports that I've heard, and
a lot of people I've talked to you,

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they say that it's just it's unmistakable. There's so many human characteristics,

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and I would like to see.
I mean, that's odd to say I

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want to make eye contact with one, but I yeah. And you know,

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so I got to see you know, the hair definite, you know,

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the muscles, the the ridges in
it. It was. It was

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only like fifteen feet away from the
truck. So I mean I got to

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see a glimpse of that one to
two second glimpse will be etched in my

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mind forever. And then just as
fast as I saw it, you know,

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it was gone. I had to
pass through. I passed underneath the

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trestle and and I went a little
faster, and then I should have all

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the way down to my turnaround spot
and then came back and by that time

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it was gone. But you know, I've heard over my since that time,

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for I've heard two or three other
people say that during the wintertime that

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they've witnessed and they've seen tracks there
too in the past. And I never

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could understand why that spot until one
of my friends that works for the for

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the railroad in the area tell me
that that during the wintertime they have to

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go into the to the tunnels to
take carcasses deer carcasses or whatever out because

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I guess during storms, they will
get into the train, you know the

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tunnels. Oh yeah, there was
a tunnel like a quarter mile from that

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from the trustle, and that the
deer will get hit by a train and

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sit there so I'm thinking, oh, so maybe the Bigfoot is using that

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as like a refrigerator in January and
for for because there was still deer up

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there, which usually they migrate out. But like I said, there was

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a really light snowfall that year.
So that's that's my only That's that's my

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theory on that aspect. No,
I think that's a really good one.

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I would totally agree with that theory
personally. Yeah, it's it's the only

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thing that I can especially since there's
another Stephens past, which I'm sure there's

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you've heard, You've read stories.
I mean, Stevens is, like I

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said, the Mecca, it seems
like the center hub of Washington State.

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And it's just it's it's sasquatchy.
I mean, it's squatchy as you know

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if you've heard before. But there's
a tunnel. There's a seven seven mile

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tunnel that goes under that as well. And same thing is that people Burlington

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northern guys that uh that they say
the same thing that that there's that they

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find weird things and whatever, and
carcasses in both of those and both of

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the entrances there's sightings all the way
around it. Wow. Yeah, the

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the Burlington Northern. A friend of
mine some of the I know who's who,

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who actually does a researcher as he
calls himself. He he told me

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that there's a secret society within the
Burlicton Northern of the railroads that because they

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don't want others or their bosses to
know that they've had sightings of sasquatch,

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because they're too scared of their jobs. And I cracked into one of the

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what it's somebody I've known in the
railroad world for years, and I actually

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asked him and he goes, yes, there is an actual group that they

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They keep it very hush hush,
but when you're in it, it's,

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you know, a very small group, you know. Uh, But yeah,

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they say that they you know,
they find tracks, they've seen things,

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you know, things being thrown at
him, trees being pushed down on

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them while they're working tree knocks all
the time. Yeah, that's it's kind

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of it's interesting. So, yeah, Washington State and I there's not much

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there's not much more sasquatch in the
world. There's great areas, but the

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whole state seems to be one hotbed. Yeah, for sure, I would

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definitely consider it the mecca for Sasquatch, for sure, definitely, definitely.

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I actually used to know a guy
that worked for the railway system as a

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train engineer, and I had asked
him about bigfoot, and he had never

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seen anything or anything like that,
but he had heard a few stories from

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other train operators and stuff about bigfoot
sidings. And you hear a lot of

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sidings around railways and railroad tracks and
stuff like that. I'm fairly convinced they

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definitely use them, not only as
a means of travel, path of least

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resistance type situations, rightes, Yeah, but also you know, for the

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advantageous food, right the animals getting
hit by trains and trash comes off trains.

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There's always you know, litter around
train tracks, and uh yeah,

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I think they definitely definitely hang around
railroads. I agree, I agree.

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Yeah, well others. I mean, there was one friend that was saying

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that he was sitting in a passing
track waiting for another train to come by,

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and he just had to look over
to his bright and once on a

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cliff, and this thing walked out
of the out of the woods and was

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kind of looking at them like you
know, curiosity. Look. Yeah,

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he said it was about seven seven
and a half feet tall. It was

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huge, as he said, came
out, looked at it, stood there

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for about a couple three four minutes, which you know, I mean,

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you know, thirty seconds in the
woods is a long time. I can't

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imagine how, you know. Yeah, and and and he said, it

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sat there, stood there, you
know, didn't make a move, didn't

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do anything. And then just he
looked away, looked back, and the

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thing was gone after a couple of
minutes. So so I don't know if

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they were you know, obviously they're
not. I'm sure that just curiosity talking

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about the one you saw. You
were talking about just how massive it was.

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Any estimation on size, you know, compared to the snowplower or anything.

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Well, I went back a couple
of days later. Unfortunately, you

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know, snow it melted a little
bit. We had a rainfall I think

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after that, so there were tracks, but it was really diminished and you

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couldn't really see it too much.
We uh. I brought a friend with

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me, who had no clue what
I was doing. At that time.

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I was still hesitant to coming out
with my story. And I measured the

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trees and the trees over the snow
was I think a little over six feet

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and I know this thing was head
and shoulders over those trees, so I'm

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thinking at least seven seven and a
half feet tall at the most, or

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you know, roughly. Yeah.
And and for signs, oh man,

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this thing had to be oh gee, five hundred pounds at least man just

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stacked. Yeah, and I'm sure
like four hundred if it was muscle.

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You know, you hear you hear
these stories of them, you know,

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coming down and just grabbing deer and
just walking away with them, or you

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know, throwing an elk or a
moose over their shoulders and away they go.

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I after looking at it, I
don't doubt it. If you wants

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my moose, he could have it. Have a good one, you know.

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Yeah, where you were at at
the time of your sighting, was

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that like a normal route for you
to go on? Yes? Yes.

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In fact, I grew up not
far from there, like maybe two or

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three miles from that location, so
I had spent I don't know about eleven

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years of my life in that area
that chain trestle. There's a little stream

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called Skinny Crickets runs through there.
I used to fish that as a kid

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when I was when I was younger. All the way through it, like

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those hills. I've hunted those hills, so it's not like I you know,

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it knows I'm there, you know. Yeah, is that roadway?

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Does it get much traffic or anything? It's a major highway. It's highway

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too that runs from Seattle all the
way. In fact, I think Highway

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two runs all the way to across
the country through Montana. I know that

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that's as far as I've gone.
So yeah, it's it's a major road.

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So let me ask you about this
because this is something that I think

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about, you know, fairly,
fairly often as my mind wonders on the

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mysteries of Bigfoot. I mean,
one thing that stands out immediately is you

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were at an s turn. Ye
countless roadside sidings, road crossing sidings happen

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at curves and roads or low areas
between two hills where you know, the

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siding happens very quickly. But it
also seems like it might possibly be a

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situation where the vehicle surprised the bigfoot, right, But I mean, these

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things have to be totally aware of
their surroundings at all times. Do you

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think that was the case with you? Do you think you actually got the

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drop on it or is it just
used to not being seen. Do you

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think the roadway itself plays a part
in that in anyway, you know,

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like I said, it flinched,
So I think it was kind of like,

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oh gosh, I got caught.
But if I just sit here motionless,

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they won't see me. And I
almost get the feeling, you know.

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And I think about this at times, you know, I mean I

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think about it often, actually,
that it sat there motionless, and I

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don't think it's probably the first time
that it's been there doing that and got

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caught by cars. Now, luckily
I had that light over the over the

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cab that illuminated a lot, and
if you know, if it wasn't for

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that, I wouldn't have I wouldn't
even known it was even there. Yeah,

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and if I had my normal personal
vehicle, now, those lights aren't

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even weren't even close to being bright
enough to to to illuminate through those trees

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and get to what what, you
know, what I was looking at.

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So I think it's probably done it
before, or you know, walked along

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the road. Maybe you know it's
been there at one time, you know,

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I just don't I didn't. I
don't get the sense that it was

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its first time. Yeah, you
know, we think that these things are

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extremely intelligent. I mean I talk
about that a lot. I think most

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people underestimate their intelligence. But then
you have these sightings where one runs out

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across the road in front of a
vehicle and I'm just like, why didn't

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it just wait and hide until the
vehicle had passed? You know? Yeah,

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I think about that too, you
know, wondering if it's like a

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like a juvenile or something that that
freaks out. In this case, it

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really sounds like that side light just
really surprised it, you know, because

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it's not supposed to be there and
it got caught in the light, right

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or knowing that you know that it's
been there before, and it's just gonna

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wait until okay they're gone and then
continue on whatever it was doing. So

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yeah, I get that feeling.
A lot. I think about that because

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otherwise we probably would have acted a
little differently. But what do I know.

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I'm just a mere humans. Yeah. I mean you said that you

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had heard of other encounters and stuff
in that general location before. Yes,

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I have. I have. There's
a logging road, there's an old logging

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road just beyond that that trestle.
I mean, it's not even like a

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quarter mile from that. And I
know that certain loggers on that hill and

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that valley have have said a few
things that they they say it was screams

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from like a cougar or or whatever
else. But you know, I've heard

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I've heard the chirps from cougars.
I've heard the the the yelling of of

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I don't know if you ever,
if you realize or most of your listeners

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will realize that that cougars have a
really distinct sound. It sounds like a

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woman being mutilated. Basically, Yeah, it is freaky when you hear in

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the wood, it is freaky.
But I know that sasquatch have kind of

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a sound like that as well,
but it's a little different tone, I

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guess, or note, you know, you want to talk about musical notes.

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So I don't know if if they
heard that or not, or if

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it was you know, those loggers
actually you know, if that's what they

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were hearing, so right, you
know, you know, if you don't

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believe in sasquatch, the first thing
you're going to do is trying to rationalize

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that particular sound or whatever, and
you know, I mean even Sasquatch people

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do it too. Do you think
your parents, you know, you talked

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about them like how you felt like
you had been lied to. Do you

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think they were aware of these things
or do you think they were just,

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Oh, that's actually not real.
So of course these people are making up

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stories or didn't really see one.
Never really got to talk to my dad

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about it. He passed away in
twenty twelve, a couple years prior.

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But I have talked to my mom
about She's she's still among the living today,

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and she's kind of she believes that
there's something out there. She doesn't

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know what it is, and she
goes because of the footprints. Okay,

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once you explain those footprints, then
I'll believe or disbelief. She's definitely a

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you know, believer on site kind
of person. Yeah yeah, what can

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you show me? Yeah yeah,
And to be honest with you, up

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till that moment, I was kind
of the same way. It's like,

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you know, I hunt fish,
you know, and I wander the woods

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all the time. I go hiking
them as much as I can because I

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love the outdoors. And you know, for what forty for forty years I

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never saw a thing, and that
just doesn't know, that doesn't compute with

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me. So I was kind of
being a disbeliever as well, until until

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I saw it, of course,
and then it just exploded from there.

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I was just going to say,
like, growing up there, you know,

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hearing stories, it's part of the
culture there. As you got older,

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was it ever like on your mind
while you were out there hunting or

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anything, just even the possibility that
something might be out there. No,

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not really, It was never really
crossed my mind too much. I just

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kind of wrote it off as folklore
and and just kind of something to keep

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kids at home kind of thing,
you know, or around the house.

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I never really, no, I
didn't really think about it. Now I

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think about it. I mean even
now I think about it. You know,

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I'm I'm driving along the hat,
you know, around town, and

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I'm like, I wonder if they
could cloak themselves and be in the middle

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downtown. See, you know,
Yeah, here in Oklahoma, we definitely

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didn't. I mean, bigfoot was
not something that I ever heard about in

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Oklahoma until I started actually looking into
it. I had never heard of a

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siding or anything like that. But
then, like you, I was one

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of those people that experienced bigfoot hindsight. Where after I had my encounter and

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realized, oh crap, these things
are real, then I started thinking back

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to different instances of things I had
experienced as a kid, And like you,

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I was one of those kids that
grew up in a generation where you

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know, son came up. I
was out the door and in the woods

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for the day by myself, you
know, with a machete and or a

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little hatchet and a bb gun,
and nobody worried about me until it was

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dinner time. So were right,
right, What a great way to grow

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up? Yeah, you know,
and I did have you know, during

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those times, I did have one
experience while I was out there that definitely

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came to mind later on in life
where there was something big that went crashing

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through the brush that I never saw
and terrified me, froze me in my

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footsteps. And that was the last
time I went that far into the woods

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by myself. But it wouldn't you
know, it wasn't you know, bigfoot

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just wasn't on my radar back then. It wasn't even a possibility, which

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is a blessing. You. I
was a little kid, like you,

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don't want to think you're out there
with bigfoot, for sure. But it

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was kind of interesting because later on
in life, after I started investigating the

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phenomenon and everything, there was actually
some sightings nearby that area, and I

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took a trip out there, not
expecting to find anything, and we found

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a footprint maybe a mile away from
where that had happened to me as a

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kid. So, you know,
it's just kind of mind blowing how widespread

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these things are whenever you start to
actually pay attention and look for them.

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You know. One of the one
of the things that really blew my mind

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was when I first started looking into
it, and probably the first day was

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I didn't realize that every state in
the Union has had a sighting of some

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sort of sasquatch in it. Obviously, some have a heck of a lot

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more than others. Down to Tennessee
and you know, along the Appalachian Trail,

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and and you know, out in
the swamps in the backwoods of Oklahoma,

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which I like parts of Oklahoma.
I always thought I was just scrubbling,

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you know. Yeah, you have
to visit, well, you know,

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my only visit at one time was
Fort Sill, Oklahoma, when I

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was in the military and that was
not a very pleasant you know, Oklahoma.

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But there's sightings all over the place, and I always thought of just

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the Northwest thing, you know,
you know, the the weird guys trying

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to keep you know, the scooby
doo people trying to keep people away from

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there, you know there. Let's
see, how can I say this appropriately?

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Their harved There were a lot of
them in the seventies and eighties,

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and I'm sure some of that took
place. I'm sure there was some shenanigans

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every now and then. Yeah,
I'm I'm I'm one hundred percent. I'm

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ninety nine percent sure that we saw
some of those. So have you gone

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on like any investigations or anything.
I've only done my own recreations. I've

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I've done quite a bit with friends. Since coming back from Pennsylvania to Washington

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State again, I purposely moved.
I'm like a mile from the Olympic National

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Park because I know that this is
a hotbed with with with Sasquatch as well.

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I'd love to get at least have
an interviewer, at least sit down

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and talk to some of the you
know, like the Olympic so I know

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they have expeditions that are here all
the time. They I mean from where

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I'm from, where I'm actually located. I've heard on other podcasts that there's

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a guy about a mile and a
half away had something knock on his door,

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you know, inside of his house. Somebody was talking over the hill.

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Here there's a he had a research
site there. I just started one

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down the road from where he had
just started it like last weekend, so

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it'll be a little while until i
can cultivate some data from it. But

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yeah, I'm really and being here. I Oddly enough, I've actually had

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eyeshine out of my window at about
twenty twenty five feet away, and I've

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had it once in November, once
in January, and I'm about very about

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fifty percent sure that I had it
two weeks ago and two different ones.

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One was a was a bright blue
eyeshine, which the best thing I can

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describe it, it's like the highlight
or the hype eam indicator and your dashboard

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your vehicle that blue. And then
the other one was red, more commonly

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red. And I think I had
another one, but I'm not one hundred

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percent sure. The first one was
really weird because well it was that blue.

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So I was sitting here watching TV
and my TV is elevated up above

408
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:45.720
the I've got two sliding glass doors
underneath it. And I'm sitting there watching

409
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:52.640
and all of a sudden, these
two blue eyes just start shining at me.

410
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:55.319
And I didn't think anything of it, thinking it was a reflection,

411
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.200
and then it kind of moved a
little and that's when it caropt my eye,

412
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.519
you know, it kind of kind
of cocked his head a little bit,

413
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:09.239
and that's when I knew that it
wasn't And there was no way.

414
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:13.199
I was looking at the angle too. It's like, you know, from

415
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:17.280
where I'm sitting in the lights and
where it's at, there's no way that's

416
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:20.840
a reflection of something on that wall
over there, because I don't have any

417
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.559
lights on that wall. And I
got up and it left. The next

418
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:34.320
time I saw red lights or red
shine, and that was real quick too,

419
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:38.679
And that was kind of funny because
I got to see it actually move

420
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:45.840
away, meaning that it pulled away
and walked away, so you got to

421
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.559
see the eyes, you know,
just kind of leave. And was that

422
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.280
at the same place, the same
window, same same basic area, And

423
00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.440
there's a there's a and it's funny
too be I have a neighbor that's about

424
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:04.920
twenty feet away, twenty twenty five
feet away, well maybe a little farther

425
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.480
than that, but not by much. And they have never heard anything,

426
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.840
seen anything. But I don't know
if they know what to look for,

427
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.360
or if they even care to look
for it. So it's fine with me.

428
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.480
But it's it's kind of a you
go out about twenty feet and then

429
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:24.039
it just dives. It's a it's
a it's a steep incline down to the

430
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:30.440
to the main road of this area. And if you follow that down about

431
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:36.119
another three hundred feet or so,
there's a stream that comes up from the

432
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:40.280
higher mountains that goes into the lake
that I'm right by, and I think

433
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:45.440
they follow that stream down, come
up and it's all shaded except for the

434
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.920
winter time. It's not obviously because
the leaves are gone, and they can

435
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.119
stand there. I can sit there
and nobody will ever see me. Yeah,

436
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:57.400
it's a perfect spot. So they've
already they've already, they've already scoped

437
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.519
me out. You know, they
must say, oh, hey, energy

438
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.880
in the area, let's go take
a look. I'm not sure if it's

439
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:10.280
me or what but like me,
I'm trying to remember when this wasn't last

440
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:15.039
weekend. Before I went to bed, I got up, turn off the

441
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:20.280
lights, turn off the TV.
It was about ten, ten thirty at

442
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.199
night, and I was heading down
the hallway to go to bed, and

443
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:32.679
I just got to like, just
fear this, this overwhelming fear. I've

444
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:37.960
never felt that before, especially in
my own home. You know. Yeah,

445
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.719
I don't know how many how often
I get looked at or watched.

446
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:44.920
Somebody was telling me that I need
to put up a game career, you

447
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.440
know, the game camera up there. But I don't know. I don't

448
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.400
know if I want to do.
I don't want to scare them away.

449
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.840
I mean in your situation, you
know, as long as it's like a

450
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.920
safe situation and you're interested in him, I don't know how you had won

451
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:05.239
get rid of them, as long
as they were behaving exactly, you know.

452
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:09.159
And that brings on another thought that
I've been that I've been formulating,

453
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:19.840
is is why is there evil ones
and good ones? You know, there's

454
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.960
stories, I mean there there's there's
I mean, they're that one guy up

455
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:27.400
in British Columbia back in the nineteen
fifteen or whatever, that was kidnapped and

456
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.960
you know, taken up to their
whatever. You know, there's that story.

457
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.199
I kind of okay, you know, but there's other stories too,

458
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:40.199
Like there's a there's a hunter up
in central Washington that was sleeping in a

459
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:44.480
sleeping bag and had a you know, his gun under you know, in

460
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:50.400
the sleeping bag, and something straddled
him and just basically kicked the crap out

461
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.440
of him. Oh wow, Literally
he woke up, you know, well

462
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:57.039
obviously was it woke, but it
was like it was a two hour and

463
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.760
he was just boom, you know, something just you know how big brothers

464
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.400
go little brothers and just slapping them
back and forth. And then once day

465
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:09.440
broke, he it left. He
got up, wandered or wandered or hyped

466
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:14.880
down to his truck, went to
the emergency room. He had broken ribs,

467
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:19.679
he had a separated shoulder. I'm
not sure if that's you know,

468
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:25.840
because he had a gun. But
there's seems to be evil ones too and

469
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:35.760
good ones. There's a story up
by Mount Baker where this guy he twists

470
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.880
an ankle, and he twisted his
ankle really bad. He was seven miles

471
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:45.320
from his truck and as he was
sitting there, his sasquatch came out of

472
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:50.360
the wood woods, appeared to him, came up, and another one came

473
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.280
up alongside. They picked him up
and carried him all the way down to

474
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:58.920
the trailhead, set him down,
and then just kind of sat off in

475
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.320
the in the bushes a little,
but make sure he was safe until somebody

476
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:07.159
showed up for him. There's good
and bad stories. Whether they're believable,

477
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:13.719
I don't know, but there's enough
of them to where it's like my mom,

478
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.639
there's enough tracks out there to make
it believable. There's got to be

479
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:22.719
some truth to it, especially with
people who've never met each other before,

480
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:30.360
having you know, the same basic
experiences as this person did. That's the

481
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:36.119
thing, you know, whenever I
first started getting involved in this, I

482
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.320
was, you know, what people
consider a researcher, field investigator, whatever

483
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:45.719
you want to call it. And
you know, I was fortunate enough to

484
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.920
hook up with some really good people
who had been doing this for a long

485
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:57.519
time that weren't really interested in being
big names in the bigfoot world. You

486
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.880
know, we're speaking at conferences.
Not that there's any thing wrong with that,

487
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:07.840
but they just weren't interested in that
stuff. Right, and they some

488
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:14.559
of them knew a lot of people
in Oklahoma and a Native American community,

489
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.440
and these people, I mean,
I was hearing stories all the time,

490
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:27.440
you know, firsthand, secondhand,
where people were encountering these things and having

491
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:31.880
all kinds of just mind blowing encounters. And like you're saying, some were

492
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:38.039
good, some were bad. But
these people, this was before all the

493
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:45.480
Facebook groups and pages and all the
podcasts and the YouTube channels. These people

494
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.800
weren't on the Internet. They weren't
picking up stories from other places. They

495
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.639
were they were saying, this is
what's going on. And after you hear

496
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:59.440
enough of them and start meeting some
of the people telling you these things,

497
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.920
you don't have any choice. But
there has to be truth in it.

498
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.679
There has to be now, there
has to be something in it. Yeah.

499
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:15.679
The Alaska First Natives up up in
Alaska where they think of the theory

500
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:24.400
of Ni kushna Khah that they say
that it cheap shifts. I heard one

501
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.800
of the medicine man chief do Dad, you know, one of the higher

502
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.719
ups in the in the in the
leader. I think it was the one

503
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.760
off of outside of Kitchikan, to
be honest with you, but he was

504
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:40.000
saying that the Kushna Khah takes the
shape of a bigfoot. That blew my

505
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.239
mind. That blew my mind.
I press pause on the on the on

506
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.159
the podcast or whatever it was,
I think it was YouTube channel at the

507
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:53.760
time, and uh I just sat
there. I was like, Wow,

508
00:41:53.960 --> 00:42:02.280
now that tooks a totally different wrinkle. Yeah. So yeah, that blew

509
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.400
my that that was recent. That
that that that's the last or latest thing

510
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.000
that blew my mind. I'm still
grasping that one. I mean, do

511
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:16.480
you think, you know, talking
about how some are good some are evil?

512
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.960
Do you think it's just like humans, how there's just like some people

513
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:23.800
that are just bad people and then
there's some people that are good people.

514
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:32.079
Well, yeah, and another friend
that that I know who's a researcher,

515
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:37.679
he was telling me that, you
know that basically just almost forbade In.

516
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.519
What you said is that you know, there are some bad ones out there

517
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.360
and they think that the energy,
you know, the plan can feed on

518
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:51.239
energy. I mean it's I mean, I can't prove it, of course

519
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.519
I don't have a meter or an
energy meter or whatever, but I mean

520
00:42:54.280 --> 00:43:04.480
it seems very logical that they are
based on interviews and just you know,

521
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.920
the the reports out there from people
that they can actually feed off of our

522
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:13.239
energy. You know, if you're
having a good time at a campfire,

523
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.719
not looking for sasquatch, but actually
enjoying each other's company, who you know,

524
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:22.840
the people are on the fire wherever, they tend to get more encounters

525
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.239
with sasquats then people that are actually
trying to locate them. You know,

526
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.760
it's almost like the sasquats, no, oh, you're trying to find us.

527
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:31.000
Well, let's play a little hide
and seek, you know. Yeah.

528
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:38.440
Yeah, based on that, if
they can actually sense energy from each

529
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:43.360
other, and the clan feels that
one of them is just not matching their

530
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.760
energy once, you think that they
would kick them out too. Now you

531
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.239
have a rogue, you know,
sasquatch that's running around in the woods.

532
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:53.920
Who knows, maybe one bad day, maybe you got in a fight,

533
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:59.199
maybe you know, got an argument
with it with the missus, you know,

534
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:04.920
or whatever. It wouldn't surprise I
mean, bears do it. Every

535
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:09.960
other animal in the world has has
bad days regardless, So yeah, it

536
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:15.880
wouldn't surprise me that one of them, you know, there might be one

537
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.360
or two out there with their with
their wiring, just not one hundred percent

538
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.840
like it should be. Yeah,
I mean I totally agree being able to

539
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:32.440
you know, whether it's feeding off
energy or just you know, base basing

540
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:37.519
their own behavior off of it,
even you know it cos to survival.

541
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:45.800
I think that's a big explanation as
to why oftentimes you hear about encounters with

542
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:52.880
hunters where it seems to be a
more aggressive encounter, whether you know,

543
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:59.159
the bigfoot puts on a display of
aggression or runs them out of the woods

544
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:04.039
or you know, throws rocks,
whatever. Because whenever you're out there hunting,

545
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.760
even if you're not trying to shoot
the bigfoot, you're still in hunter

546
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.119
mode. You know, you're still
putting off that energy of a predator out

547
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.840
in the woods, and maybe that
leads to some of the more aggressive encounters.

548
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:21.800
Whereas where you're talking about you know, people just out camping, having

549
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:28.119
a good time, not hunting and
not thinking about anything like that. The

550
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.639
bigfoot see that is a safer situation
and just come in and kind of like

551
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:35.679
chill and observe and you know,
maybe mess with them a little bit.

552
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.320
Yeah, I I never thought about
the hunter situation, but yeah, you're

553
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.119
absolutely right. I mean I always
thought that, yeah, there's more,

554
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.679
there's more sightings during the full time, because there's actually more people in the

555
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:52.920
in the woods, in the excuse
me, in the not so common areas

556
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.840
of the woods to be able to
get sightings. But never thought about the

557
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.239
idea that your your mind frame going
out there is totally different than just going

558
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.639
out there to be alone. A
couple of things come to mind just off

559
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.280
the top of my head, and
like, of course I can't prove either

560
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:15.679
one of these, you know stories, A lot of people will actually remember

561
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.000
this one. It wasn't that long
ago. I don't know if I should

562
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.599
have said that, because it may
have been ten years, but you know

563
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.960
how it gets whenever you get older. But there was a little boy,

564
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:35.159
I believe in North Carolina that went
missing for a while. He was gone

565
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.239
for a few days, and then
they just you know, huge search effort,

566
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:42.840
you know, combing the woods,
hundreds of people, all these different

567
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.679
agencies, you know, using flear
and tracking dogs and helicopters and everything else

568
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:52.639
trying to find this little boy.
Eventually, you know, after I believe

569
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.599
it was a couple of days went
by. Now it's become sort of a

570
00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.639
recovery mission. You know, there's
no way he could have survived. And

571
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:05.880
then they just found him, like
just standing out in the woods, and

572
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.760
he said that a bear had taken
care of him. Right. You know,

573
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:15.840
there's another story in Montana that that
happened too, almost verbatim, almost

574
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:19.679
the same age. I think he
was like six years old, and you

575
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.320
know, well, what is a
six year old gonna think a bigfoot looks

576
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.599
like? You know, it doesn't
know what a bigfoot is, so right,

577
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:30.800
right, saying that it was a
bear. But then on the other

578
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:37.320
end of the spectrum, there was
a story about a guy who had gone

579
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:43.880
out to an area to side in
his hunting rifle and it was kind of

580
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.400
off on the side of the road
out in the middle of nowhere wooded area.

581
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:52.440
There's like a big embankment, basically
kind of a scooped outside of the

582
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.760
hill. They're pretty common shooting areas
where I'm at, but I don't know

583
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.760
if everybody has him like this.
But anyways, the guy didn't come home

584
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:09.360
and they went looking for him,
and they found his vehicle and the guy

585
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:15.639
was dead inside the cab of his
pickup truck. I can't remember if his

586
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:22.519
rifle was missing or if they found
it. It seems like they found the

587
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:28.320
rifle, but it was all busted
up, like something had like beaten it

588
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:34.199
on a boulder or something. It
was all torn up, and his body

589
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:39.920
was practically folded in half and kind
of like shoved down under the steering wheel.

590
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:51.239
And there was supposedly large barefoot footprints
all around the vehicle, and they

591
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:57.440
followed the footprints up this trail that
kind of like went up on top of

592
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:01.719
the ridge or whatever where you sight
in the rifles, and eventually they lost,

593
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:07.360
you know, the footprints, but
there was I think some blood up

594
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.199
there and some shell ca scenes where
it appeared like the guy had gone up

595
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:19.199
there and shot at something and maybe
hit one. Oh and so that story

596
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:25.639
sounds really unbelievable. I get it. This story came from someone who was

597
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:34.599
involved in the actual police investigation at
the time. Wow, so insider information.

598
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:43.440
Yeah, yeah, So it's like, Okay, the general idea was

599
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.559
that maybe he saw one while he
was out there or something, there was

600
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:53.559
some sort of altercation, he shot
at one, and that was the end

601
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:59.920
result where a little kid gets lost
in the woods and they help him back

602
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.639
safety and keep them alive. Okay, So it's you know, I mean,

603
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.280
are they our friends? Are they
not? You know what makes you

604
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.920
know? What makes some friends?
And so how can we tell the difference?

605
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:16.960
Yeah? I mean because in podcasting, you know, especially like you

606
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:23.039
self admittedly listen to podcasts. I'm
a podcaster, you know. I there's

607
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:29.320
a lot of scary stories out there. There's a lot of violent stories out

608
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:32.440
there, and I talk to a
lot of people that are afraid of these

609
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:40.000
things oftentimes, but if they wanted
to, nobody would be telling any of

610
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:46.519
these stories, you know, exactly, As far as I understand, there's

611
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:52.400
never been a bigfoot or disappear not
yet, huh, as long as people

612
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:59.199
have been going out in the woods, going into their territory and messing with

613
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:10.360
them, trying to eliciting nobody,
So I think usually people are safe.

614
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.039
You know. That brings on another
another thing that I've been kind of pondering

615
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.679
for the last month, month and
a half, two well year, year

616
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.320
and a half two years, is
I watch a lot of David Pilotti's I

617
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:27.280
don't know if you ever listened to
his Uh can I'm missing for when one

618
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:34.559
stuff right? Some of his missing
stories, I just can't with all the

619
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:39.760
people and all the the circumstances around
it. I can't help but feel and

620
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.840
this is just me, don't know. I'm sure somebody out there will be

621
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:45.599
like, hey, just you know
whatever, we'll take it wrong. But

622
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:52.000
here we go that it's really hard
for me to sit here and think about

623
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:58.239
that Sasquatch is not involved at least
somewhat or knows what where these people actually

624
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:05.159
go. And here's my case.
There's a story that he did on a

625
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:09.840
missing berry picker in Goose Creek.
It's it's at by Leavenworth, Washington.

626
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:15.679
It's actually not far from my sighting, and it's over the mountain, a

627
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.880
couple of mountain ranges. But I
mean, if a bear can go fifty

628
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.239
miles in a day for food,
I'm you know, it's it's not far.

629
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:28.079
This lady went berry picking. There's
a lot of huckleberries up there,

630
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:36.119
great huckleberries. And nothing was found, absolutely zero, not a hat,

631
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.159
not her bag, not her you
know, nothing except for a car.

632
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:45.039
Of course, they did the Sheriff's
department did a search around there, and

633
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:52.760
they never they couldn't find anything.
So after the first day of search they

634
00:52:52.880 --> 00:53:00.800
left. When they came back the
next morning to continue this search, there

635
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:09.599
was a large x in the trees
where the commander was parked. So I

636
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:16.880
sit there and I say, you
know that there's no way that you know,

637
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:22.239
whether you know it was his patch, one of those brogue sasquatches we

638
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:28.519
were talking about earlier. It leads
me to believe that there's something you know

639
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.079
that there there's you know, there's
obviously I'm not smart enough or or in

640
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:37.079
the know, or or funded well
enough to be able to go out there

641
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:43.719
and figure out that is you know, these answers. But it's really,

642
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:49.719
really, really hard for me to
say that in some of these missing people,

643
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.599
now, whether they're they're they're I
mean, I don't know if they're

644
00:53:52.639 --> 00:54:00.480
grabbing them and taking away, or
if they see the sasquatch break out,

645
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:06.320
start running and fall into a cliff
or you know, fall into a ravine

646
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:12.199
or or whatever, and then you
know, sasquatch takes him. And I

647
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.519
don't know if you've you've I talked
to another And here's another story that kind

648
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:20.880
of goes with this. There's a
guy, uh, there's a community up

649
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:28.960
and up in the where I grew
up that this guy had chickens. And

650
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.760
I was told by a researcher.
And then I went and actually talked to

651
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.800
the guy because you know sometimes stories
over time, you know a couple of

652
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.440
details of Louve Harrocan, right,
And I talked to him and I was

653
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:43.480
like, well, talk to me
about that. You know what happened?

654
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:45.760
He goes, Well, he came
home one night about eleven o'clock. It

655
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.400
was you know, there was snow. It wasn't snowing, but it was

656
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.960
snow, and on the snow bank
there were four chickens. Boom boom,

657
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:58.840
boom boom, he goes. What
was so funny was they were laid out

658
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.239
exactly in the same way and their
beaks were pointing in the exactly the same

659
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.480
direction. So I went in to
go go get my camera. This is

660
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:12.960
what early eighties I think. I
went into going to get my camera,

661
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:15.960
came out so I can take a
picture, and when I came out,

662
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:22.320
two of them are missing. But
that leads to my point of is that

663
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:29.360
you see things that they have made
and they are perfectly done, like the

664
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:35.199
beaks pointing in exactly the same direction. Who's to say that that their attention

665
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:42.280
to detail which blows me away?
An animal can actually think of that isn't

666
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:47.719
detail oriented enough to be able to
make sure that the scene, you know,

667
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.559
all hats all closed, all you
know, whatever, is gone.

668
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:58.840
Some people believe that they that they'll
go through an area and they will purposely

669
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:04.880
walk in an area to where they
won't leave footprints. That's pretty detail oriented.

670
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.760
I mean, that's that's like,
that's like reconnaissance of the Marine Corps

671
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:13.320
kind of. Yeah, thank yeah, you know, I mean there's one

672
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:17.320
of the first things that I was
told about was the possibility of them using

673
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:25.519
like a branch or something to brush
away their tracks. Oh, I've never

674
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:30.519
heard of that. Yeah. And
then out in the field, we first

675
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:39.039
hand found situations where they would change
up their pattern, change up their tracks.

676
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:45.360
Say they're walking in one direction and
there's tracks there, and then the

677
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:50.360
tracks vanish. Yes, but then
if you go off to the left or

678
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:57.599
the right ten fifteen feet away,
you find the tracks again, as if

679
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.559
they became aware that they were leaving
tracks and they jumped off to the side

680
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:06.719
to make the tracks. Also situations
where they could have climbed up on a

681
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.039
tree, limb or something overhead or
used the rocks. Rocks are a big

682
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.920
one. It seems like they'll step
on rocks intentionally, so they don't leave

683
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.960
tracks. But there's other than humans, There's nothing else out there that are

684
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:24.559
aware of themselves to the point where
they understand tracks and that they're leaving tracks

685
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:30.400
and will do things to try and
hide that. And who are they hiding

686
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:34.639
it from? Me? Unless it's
us? What else would they be hiding

687
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:39.480
their tracks from. Yeah, I
definitely believe that they're responsible for some of

688
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:45.440
the missing persons for sure. Yeah, I tend to believe that too.

689
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:51.239
I just think it's a situation kind
of like sometimes grizzly bears kill people,

690
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:55.719
but not all encounters with grizzly bears
end in a grizzly bear attack. I

691
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.159
think it's a very similar situation.
Not all people that go missing in the

692
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:07.039
woods, it's not all Bigfoot,
but it could happen for sure, Right,

693
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:08.880
And then, I mean, if
you get attacked by a grizzly bear,

694
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:15.000
there's gonna be marks and scuffle,
there's scene of you know whatever.

695
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:22.280
You know, these people vanish without
a trace nothing. It's it's just it's

696
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.079
it's really hard for me to think
you know something with that much intelligence,

697
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.679
you know that much nowhere and and
be able to see in the future a

698
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.880
little bit like, Oh, somebody's
going to be here, so I better,

699
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.519
you know, clean up. It's
a criminal criminal. I want to

700
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:44.400
wipe my fingerprints down. But I
mean, if you go back and you

701
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:49.360
know native lore, a lot of
things that kind of sound like a Bigfoot

702
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:55.159
by description. It's about they kidnap
children or they kidnap women. It's always

703
00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:01.320
about taking people. So it's not
like a new concept even if we're just

704
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:06.039
going back and looking at folklore.
And then like you were talking about the

705
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.719
Albert Osman story, they snagged him
up and you know, hauled him off.

706
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:15.599
Yeah. You know. One last
thing that really spooked me out in

707
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:17.159
the woods is is I grew up. I used to go up to this

708
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:21.440
one lake quite a bit, used
to hike into it. Used to be

709
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:25.119
an annual event, usually on my
birthday or somewhere around it, and which

710
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:30.440
is mid July. And uh,
I walked up to this lake. And

711
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:35.679
when I was up there, I
mean I was in flip flop shorts and

712
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.840
a T shirt. And uh as
I was as I got there on a

713
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:43.519
fishing pool. Of course, when
I got there, the black clouds start

714
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.320
popping over the hill just before it
so I turned around and started heading back,

715
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:51.599
and you kind of have to go
up on the way back, and

716
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:53.480
we have to go up this kind
of a little bit of a hill and

717
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:58.760
then you're pretty much it's downhill from
then on out, and it's zig ziggs.

718
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:01.400
When I got up the top that
I heard a thump in the woods

719
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:07.360
behind me. So I sat there
thinking it didn't look it didn't sound huge.

720
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:09.719
It just sounded like a deer crashing
through. Actually it wasn't. It

721
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:15.239
wasn't huge. It was just weird. You know, today I think it

722
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.719
was. Well, I'll tell you
the rest and i'll tell you what I

723
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:22.239
think it was later. So I
started walking and you hear it. You

724
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.920
don't hear footsteps, but you hear
the cracking, you know, the cracking

725
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:30.599
of the of the bushes and the
and the you know, it's just it's

726
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:34.559
like, that's interesting. Now I've
been followed. The deer will do this

727
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.639
around here, especially if they're not
used to humans. They will they will

728
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:43.320
follow humans once for a while.
We I've experienced that many times in the

729
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:47.280
Alpine lakes. So I'm just think
it was a deer. Well, halfway

730
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:52.400
through this hike, yeah, there's
a there's a power line that goes from

731
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.920
uh, I think green you know, uh grand Coolie all the way to

732
01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:00.840
Overhear to Seattle. In the Seattle
there it helps or the grid. And

733
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.400
I'm sitting there and had a nice
little overlook and I'm just kind of playing,

734
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:07.599
you know, just looking, just
kind of taking a break before I

735
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:14.119
hit the switchbacks. And right when
I start, I look up and there's

736
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.880
a six year old kid staring at
me right yeh or red shirt, and

737
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:22.159
I'm just looking, going, what
the heck? What are you doing out

738
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:23.840
here? You know, first thing
I thought I was a sheep shifter,

739
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:29.320
like go you know, and he
started talking. He came up and he

740
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:31.119
started talking like where you were you? And I'm like, uh, never

741
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:35.480
mind me where what are you doing
here? He goes, oh, my

742
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.039
mom and a few others. Well, we're sitting there talking. Just right

743
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:42.159
then the mom and came up on
the trail. He just ran ahead,

744
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.119
which to me, I don't think
that was very smart, but that's just

745
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:50.239
me. So we're sitting there conversing
and I told him to think, yeah,

746
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:52.280
the you know, the clouds I
left early because of the clouds were

747
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.519
coming over the hill and blah blah, blah blah, and right when I

748
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.599
was about ready to leave, I
went, hey, you might want to

749
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:00.840
keep your head up. I didn't
want to care there's a there's a deer

750
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:02.960
or something along the side of you. Guys might get a good sight,

751
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:07.119
and you know, I wanted to
keep their heads up so then just in

752
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.440
case, they can probably survive,
you know whatever, and you know,

753
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:12.519
just keep an eye out. And
they're like, okay, thank you.

754
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.440
Well, like I said, this
thing was a power line. This thing

755
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:22.280
is open. We didn't see anything
cross from those trees all the way across

756
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:25.960
the three hundred yards or two hundred
yard power line roads through the trees or

757
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.719
to the other side. And wouldn't
you know it, every single time I

758
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:36.320
hit the west side of of the
switchback, because they went from from west

759
01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:38.960
to east to west to east,
and they came down this hill. Every

760
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:44.920
time that I got close to the
western point, it would move to advantage

761
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:50.119
point to watch me. Huh and
I and I got scared. That that

762
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:55.119
was the only time still today that
I got scared in the woods. I've

763
01:02:55.400 --> 01:03:00.159
I've come up on cougars, I've
I've come up on bears. No,

764
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:04.880
no grizzlies yet, but black bears, which which by the way, are

765
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:08.559
just as dead deadly. Yeah,
yeah, they attack people more than grizzly

766
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:13.360
bears do. Yeah. And I
and they say, oh, it's because

767
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:15.480
there's you know, seventy five thousand
black bears in America. It's like,

768
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:19.239
yeah, I don't know, but
that's okay, whatever, I'm not gonna

769
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.719
argue with you. And you know, I've come up on him on my

770
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.679
own and I've you know, step
aside, let him walk through. I've

771
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:30.719
done, I've you know. But
that was the first time that I actually

772
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:36.960
just I because it was watching me, nobody else, not the dug On

773
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:43.239
kids, the easy prey that went
up there after me. And when I

774
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:45.199
got to the truck, I sat
there and I looked back and I'm like,

775
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:52.239
wow, you know, I was, I got I just left.

776
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.519
I went to a sporting good store
and for the first time in forty five

777
01:03:55.599 --> 01:04:00.760
years in the woods, whatever,
I finally I'm now carrying some type of

778
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:05.280
protection with me other than a walking
stick. That's how bad it scared me.

779
01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:10.840
It got me. It changed my
whole entire outlook. So I got

780
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:15.199
to talking to a couple of my
researcher friends, and the first one looked

781
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:16.880
at me, and he goes,
wait a minute, you've been hiking up

782
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:20.679
there since you were eight nine somewhere
narative. Oh yeah, it's one of

783
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:24.840
my first hights. I was like
seven or something like that when I first

784
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:30.159
went there. He goes, do
you think it was a situation where that

785
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:38.119
sasquatch remembered you and wanted to follow
you out to make sure that you were

786
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:41.440
all right? And I'm like,
no, I think he was trying to

787
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.199
kill me. Yeah, he was
definitely going to eat me. No,

788
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:50.679
I was bigger and fatter than those
people he wanted me. I have more

789
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:57.079
muscle more. But I mean,
that's a prime example of how you know

790
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:03.920
a situation can make a turn either
direction depending on your perspective of it exact

791
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:10.880
that. That's a great point.
Yeah, that well, I was never

792
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:14.440
more scared in my life. I've
never experienced that before. And it was

793
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:20.840
smart enough to know the perfect places
to see where I'm at without being without

794
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:26.599
being discovered himself herself. Yeah,
maybe it was a female. Who knows,

795
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:34.480
Hey, maybe there's another perspective that
could be seen. Yeah, that

796
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:38.920
was I that. Yeah, I
don't, I don't. I don't grow

797
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:43.880
in the woods anymore without some type
of of of protection of some sort.

798
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.800
Now that that that that got me. That was the only time I've ever

799
01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:51.760
been really scared in the woods.
Have you had any paranormal experiences or UFO

800
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:59.159
sidings, Yes, And I haven't
really talked about it much because there's been

801
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:05.800
times. There was one time that
my I think was my brother, we

802
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:10.960
did an overnight stay up in up
in the only in these lights, something

803
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:15.480
was and we were up on a
hill and something was flying down down below

804
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:21.639
us with weird lights. Now it
was unidentified. The next morning we saw,

805
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:26.800
uh, it's also a training area
for uh uh, there's a wod

806
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:31.920
w'd be uh would be Air Air
Base Widbey Island Naval Base or whatever they

807
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.800
call it, that they train up
in that area as well. And they

808
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:43.079
were they were flying F sixteen's in
the almost exactly the same spot the next

809
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:46.840
day or you know, throughout the
week they were doing it. So I

810
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:56.039
have experienced that there's a house in
Leavenworth that I don't know if it's still

811
01:06:56.039 --> 01:07:02.599
there or not, but it was
funny because the ghost that inhabits that house

812
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:11.400
was definitely an arborist or a florist
of some sort, because all the plants

813
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:16.320
in the place would would be in
the most perfect sunlight all day it'd be

814
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:20.760
they'd be moved all day long.
They'd be moved. That was creepy,

815
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:25.920
like it would move like the plants
around, so they were staying in the

816
01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:31.880
sun the most optable sunlight for that
particular plant. Yes, wow, that's

817
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:38.480
crazy. Yeah, that would That
was my first experience with with with paranormal

818
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:42.760
I didn't believe it either until I
actually physically saw it. You know.

819
01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:45.360
The owner's like, well, watch
this puts three plants out. We walked

820
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:49.039
in the other room and she just
looked at me and goes, we'll give

821
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:53.920
it a couple of minutes. Why
walk back in there, and the plants

822
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:59.119
were removed, all three of them
were. I just said, let's do

823
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.800
it again. Did it again,
and they were moved again. Can you

824
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:11.880
imagine like the first fifteen or so
times that happens, like before you realize

825
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:15.199
what's going on. Like I could
have swore that those plants were on the

826
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.880
other side of the room. Yeah, and and and that's what she said

827
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:25.279
when she first moved in like ten
years ago, though, that she would,

828
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:29.319
you know, put out the plants
and I could have swore it,

829
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.960
but that what does she finally figured
it out. What was going on?

830
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:41.840
Wow? Yeah, that was that
was that it never never never appeared,

831
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:48.319
never showed, never never did anything
other than just move the plants the ultimal

832
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:53.439
place for their sunlight or whatever they
needed. It's all it cared about.

833
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:57.960
That's all it cared about. I
have seen orb I saw an orbit once,

834
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:04.720
but it was dear a. Uh
well, I was pretty drunk,

835
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:10.039
I'll have to admit, so I
I can't give it to you. But

836
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:14.000
we were out in the woods,
you know, a bunch of us,

837
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:19.319
big bombfire and one of our friends
was looking up going it's kind of a

838
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:26.199
kind of a light blue like ball
cylinder thing over the top of the trees,

839
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:30.119
and we all looked at it and
it took off. But like I

840
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:35.439
said, we were all drinking,
so so that that that's that's all that

841
01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:40.840
I've in the paranormal world that I've
experienced. You know, there's a lot

842
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:44.039
of people out there that that you
know, with the with the balls of

843
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:49.000
you know, the orbs and sasquatch
are very very connected, and there's a

844
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:55.800
connection there too. Somehow, some
way. There's a lady up in outside

845
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:59.479
of Arlington, Washington that uh,
I can't remember where I where I read

846
01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:03.079
it from, but she saw UFO
come down in an uh you know,

847
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.800
white light down to the walk to
the ground, and a sasquatch walked out

848
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:13.079
of the white light. Really yeah, I I I read it like two

849
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:16.000
years ago. I flagged it and
then I had to get a new phone,

850
01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:18.760
and I was like, you know, I really want to see that.

851
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:24.880
I would have really liked to have
to printed that off and put it

852
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:30.359
in my my my files. Yeah, it's but if you do, it's

853
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.199
a Arlington, Washington, like you
know, Arlington, Virginia. That's pretty

854
01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:40.800
interesting. One of the first uh
quote unquote crazy stories I heard in Bigfoot

855
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:49.079
twenty you know, twenty five years
ago, was about somebody who supposedly had

856
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:57.119
video, oh night vision video from
like I want to say, like one

857
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:02.680
of those Sony handicams that had the
night shot on them right right of some

858
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:14.199
sort of UFO type craft. Uh
in like a field that opened up and

859
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:20.039
a ball of light came out,
and out of that ball of light came

860
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:28.119
some bigfoot that like ran off into
the woods. Now I never saw the

861
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:33.439
video, you know, but but
like now you're telling me about a story

862
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:40.439
about Bigfoot coming out of the ball
of light. So that's pretty crazy.

863
01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:45.079
Yeah, I am, I am. I heard it. I heard it

864
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:51.479
too on another one of my conversations
or something. But somebody else brought it

865
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:56.520
up to once and it was like, wow, all right, unprovoked,

866
01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.119
like I didn't, I didn't ask
for it. I just yeah, it

867
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:01.840
came out. I can't remember where
I also I heard it. But that's

868
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:06.520
that's kind of a crazy. That
kind of that leads you out to believe

869
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:12.399
that there's you know, kind of
goes back to the there's more going on

870
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:16.479
here in the paranormal with with sasquatches
now related to it. You know the

871
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:20.079
portals. You know, they say, oh, there's got to be some

872
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:24.880
type of a portal out there.
Well, if there's portals, and why

873
01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:29.000
doesn't one pop up in middle of
Seattle or Oklahoma City or New York?

874
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.319
Well, why is it always in
the in the woods? I mean,

875
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:36.159
are they that intelligent to be able
to do that? Whenever you start getting

876
01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:42.600
into the portal stuff, it's completely
out of my wheelhouse. I don't even

877
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:47.479
know. I can't wrap my brain
around it. I just can't mind too.

878
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:51.880
It blows my mind as well.
It's like it's just above my intellect.

879
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:57.960
I mean, I'm I'm open to
the idea of anything. At this

880
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.479
point. I don't think anything should
be taking off the table because I don't

881
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:08.439
think anybody really knows anything. I
think we've got some basic ideas, you

882
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:14.359
know, based off of observations that
people have had firsthand. But outside of

883
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:18.119
that, I don't really think we
know anything. So until the day that

884
01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:24.720
we do, I'm keeping all doors
open. That's pretty much. And it

885
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:30.840
seems like the farther we get into
it, the more we realize we don't

886
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:34.680
know anything. I think that's a
good place to end it. Stan.

887
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:40.359
I appreciate you coming on man and
talking with me and sharing your stories.

888
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:44.760
Yeah, well I will. I'll
stay in touch if something comes up again

889
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:46.640
or whatever, or yeah, yeah, I'd be more happy to tell you

890
01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:51.399
about even more my things that are
going on. So keep those eyes peeled

891
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:55.960
out that window. Yeah, something
transpires there. I will let you know.

892
01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:00.840
If you've had your own encounter with
Bigfoot, dog Man, aliens,

893
01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:04.359
whatever, send me an email at
Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. If

894
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:09.439
you get a chance, go check
out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You

895
01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:14.640
can find links to social media,
merchandise, past episodes, everything you need,

896
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:18.319
all in one place, and until
next time, remember there's something in

897
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:18.800
the woods.