There's an s turn on the road. Some of the snow plows they have
this light. It's just ultra bright light on the passenger side. It's it's
basically supposed to light up the passenger or the or the ditch side of the
road because of the wing plow. And if I think if it wasn't for
that, I wouldn't have seen this thing. You hear the stories and you
tell people, and I'm sure you've heard this from others that that this thing
was big, and you don't and you will not grasp it until you see
this thing. This had to be the alpha male, and if it wasn't,
then I don't want to see an alpha male. It was just massive.
I'd like to welcome Stan to Bigfoot Crossroads. Stan. How are you
doing, sir? I'm doing well, man. How are you this afternoon?
Doing all right? Doing all right? Man? I appreciate you coming
on here like this and talking to me. You know, we talked a
little bit about your encounter that you had, and there were some aspects of
it that actually really interested me. So I'm excited to talk about it.
Man. First off, where are you from? Tell me a little bit
about yourself. I grew up in the in pretty much bigfoot mecca in central
Washington. I grew up Oh geez, I think our nearest neighbor, our
year round neighbor, was about ten miles away. Wow. So yeah,
we were out in the sticks. Today it's totally different. It's the population
has absolutely exploded where I lived. But from there, I mean, I
pretty much, except for a little bit of time in the military, I
pretty much has been running around the middle of the Northwest. I spent a
little time out in Pennsylvania, which was I did that as a business assignment.
But I did that so I can go out there and look at some
of the areas out there for bigfoot sightings as well. Man, he could
actually be kind of surprised how many people do that. You know what,
once you catch the bug, man, it's always on your mind wherever you
go. Well, after my sighting in twenty fifteen, you know, I
was one of those people that. So we owned a restaurant out like I
said, about fifteen miles from from the nearest from the nearest restaurant or from
the nearest grocery store. So, like I said, we were out in
the sticks. But we owned a restaurant out there. It was kind of
a cafe tavern. I don't wear that look, you know, that remote
pretty much anything you want to call it, social club whatever. Yeah.
So we got we got hikers, we got hunters, we got fishermen,
we got you know, campers all the time coming in saying, you know,
weird things happened. And when I was a child, I was one
of those people that I was smart enough. And I'm not to say that
I was lied to by my parents, but you know, being six,
seven, eight, nine years old, you know, parents would said,
well, don't leave the property because you don't know what's out in those woods,
and I just you know, oh yeah, the boogeyman, ha ha.
Right. So by ten by by ten years old, yeah, I
started walking. I would I would start hiking on my own and I would
take off and never come home for five, six, seven, eight hours
at a time. And you know, parents were busy at the restaurant.
So long as I wasn't hurt, they didn't really care, you know,
which is good and bad, you know. But I came home and ate
dinner and went on my merry little way. It wasn't until my sighting that
yeah, which by the way, which in January, January fifteenth of twenty
fifteen. And when I had my sighting, there's so many emotions went through
me, and I remembered a couple of them being, you know, I
was being like to and about all these loggers and whatever say, oh,
there's no such thing as sasquatch or big foot or whatever. And I'm sitting
there looking at this thing, and I'm like, you're telling me that's not
real. But did you paint that on my windshield? You know, I
don't understand. Is this one of those Scooby Doo things that the movie,
you know, with the movie camera that you know, trying to keep me,
you know, but in my truck and away I went, so,
you know, I and and from there just just started a flurry of I
immediately went on the internet and started to research the topic a heck of a
lot more. I started to read books, blah blah blah, you know,
talk to people, talk to friends. And it was only then that
I realized that when I was out walking around it, you know, and
eleven years old, that I've had experiences pretty much all my life and I
didn't even realize it, just that Bigfoot hindsight. Yeah, once the eyes
are open. Yeah, yeah, you know, I who you know,
I didn't know that they would throw sticks and pine cones and rocks and you
know whatever else at you not that I not that I ever recalled that ever
happening to me. But I didn't know that they would do screams and howls
and in wood knocks and clacker you know, clack rocks together, and which
I know I've heard all that kind of stuff when I was a kid.
I know it. I know the rock the rock clacking, you know when
they yeah, that is I know. I've heard that several times. And
when people do it, you know, as a joke, it's always triggers
a memory from when I was a kid, going, you know, I
heard that up at Culter Creek one time. You know. So, I
mean, why would a sasquats look at a ten year old going, oh
my gosh, that's a threat, you know exactly. I mean, if
you don't mind, let's just kind of, you know, break it down
and walk through your siding. Sure, okay, Like I said, it
was January fifteenth, approximately about one one fifteen, one thirty in the morning
on twenty fifteen. I was working as a seasonal snowplow driver. I was,
even though I was living in a little town called Winanching. I worked
up basically where I grew up, about about thirty miles away is where I
was actually my route was. I was working and being the junior man.
I got stuck on the night shift, which hide and Sight was one of
my favorite shifts, still one of my favorite things to do today. And
that it was one of those really slow, real no cars around. We
had a really abnormal snowfall that year, but this night was never had those
nights where it kind of like snows for about maybe fifteen to twenty minutes for
maybe like a quarter inch flurries basically, and then stopped for a couple hours
and then maybe another end. It was one of those nights where it was
just it wasn't even worth being there, but I'm going to plow the roads
just because I'm bored. At one fifteen, you know, yeah, and
I was driving down the road. I was just kind of dazing off and
you know what I'm going to do the next day, you know when I
wake up and trying to you know, just I really wasn't, you know,
just kind of zoned down and uh, there's a there's an S turn
on the road and you swing to the left and then you swing back to
the right. And I know some people, probably some of your listeners will
know this that some of the snowplows they have this light. It's just ultra
bright light on the passenger side. It's it's basically supposed to light up the
passenger or the or the ditch side of the road because of the wing plow,
so we don't hit the wing, blow break it off, do it
cause damage on everything, you know, whatever. We just replaced it that
day before the shift, and it was just illuminating. And if I think
if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have seen this thing. I was
coming up on a train trestle and as I was swinging from because as I
said, you know, I was entering the S turn going to the left
and I was coming back to the right, it had flinched right at the
lat at the right moment, and it caught my eye. It was I
joke about it today saying that it was like it was like a kid getting
caught, you know, with the hand in the kid cookie jar. I
was like you and uh, I continued on and I just stared at this
thing. I was just I was in. I was just in wonder.
You know, you you hear the stories and you tell people and you I'm
sure you've heard this from others that that this thing was big, and you
don't and you will not aspit until you see this thing. This had to
be the alpha male, and if it wasn't, then I don't want to
see an alpha male. It was. It was just massive. I I
I. It was a brownish black. I only got to see as you
know, as you as your as your nose is facing forward as twelve o'clock,
I only got to see, like from the seven o'clock profile all all
the way around to the two. It was climbing up the hill. And
what made it worse is that there were about five or six foot trees that
are along the the the road climbing up to the railroad tracks. Since that
timeframe, some of the trees have been knocked down because they got too big
and they were interfering with the railway and uh and but a couple of them
are still there today. And I was pass through and my eyes I was
just fixiated. Even though even though the trees were blocking my view. I
was. I was just memorized. I was, I was memorized. I
was. I how I made it through the through the trestle without hitting anything,
I don't know, but I just And there was one spot between the
cab of the truck and the mirror that it hit just right between two trees.
And I got to see some of the muscle definitions, some of the
of of of his because it's his leg that was closer to me, meaning
his right leg was totally straight. His left leg was kind of like he
was stepping, you know, so he was up a half and I got
to see his right arm. And I didn't get to see its face,
which I wished some day. I wish I get to see another one.
I like to see the face because a lot of people, and a lot
of reports that I've heard, and a lot of people I've talked to you,
they say that it's just it's unmistakable. There's so many human characteristics,
and I would like to see. I mean, that's odd to say I
want to make eye contact with one, but I yeah. And you know,
so I got to see you know, the hair definite, you know,
the muscles, the the ridges in it. It was. It was
only like fifteen feet away from the truck. So I mean I got to
see a glimpse of that one to two second glimpse will be etched in my
mind forever. And then just as fast as I saw it, you know,
it was gone. I had to pass through. I passed underneath the
trestle and and I went a little faster, and then I should have all
the way down to my turnaround spot and then came back and by that time
it was gone. But you know, I've heard over my since that time,
for I've heard two or three other people say that during the wintertime that
they've witnessed and they've seen tracks there too in the past. And I never
could understand why that spot until one of my friends that works for the for
the railroad in the area tell me that that during the wintertime they have to
go into the to the tunnels to take carcasses deer carcasses or whatever out because
I guess during storms, they will get into the train, you know the
tunnels. Oh yeah, there was a tunnel like a quarter mile from that
from the trustle, and that the deer will get hit by a train and
sit there so I'm thinking, oh, so maybe the Bigfoot is using that
as like a refrigerator in January and for for because there was still deer up
there, which usually they migrate out. But like I said, there was
a really light snowfall that year. So that's that's my only That's that's my
theory on that aspect. No, I think that's a really good one.
I would totally agree with that theory personally. Yeah, it's it's the only
thing that I can especially since there's another Stephens past, which I'm sure there's
you've heard, You've read stories. I mean, Stevens is, like I
said, the Mecca, it seems like the center hub of Washington State.
And it's just it's it's sasquatchy. I mean, it's squatchy as you know
if you've heard before. But there's a tunnel. There's a seven seven mile
tunnel that goes under that as well. And same thing is that people Burlington
northern guys that uh that they say the same thing that that there's that they
find weird things and whatever, and carcasses in both of those and both of
the entrances there's sightings all the way around it. Wow. Yeah, the
the Burlington Northern. A friend of mine some of the I know who's who,
who actually does a researcher as he calls himself. He he told me
that there's a secret society within the Burlicton Northern of the railroads that because they
don't want others or their bosses to know that they've had sightings of sasquatch,
because they're too scared of their jobs. And I cracked into one of the
what it's somebody I've known in the railroad world for years, and I actually
asked him and he goes, yes, there is an actual group that they
They keep it very hush hush, but when you're in it, it's,
you know, a very small group, you know. Uh, But yeah,
they say that they you know, they find tracks, they've seen things,
you know, things being thrown at him, trees being pushed down on
them while they're working tree knocks all the time. Yeah, that's it's kind
of it's interesting. So, yeah, Washington State and I there's not much
there's not much more sasquatch in the world. There's great areas, but the
whole state seems to be one hotbed. Yeah, for sure, I would
definitely consider it the mecca for Sasquatch, for sure, definitely, definitely.
I actually used to know a guy that worked for the railway system as a
train engineer, and I had asked him about bigfoot, and he had never
seen anything or anything like that, but he had heard a few stories from
other train operators and stuff about bigfoot sidings. And you hear a lot of
sidings around railways and railroad tracks and stuff like that. I'm fairly convinced they
definitely use them, not only as a means of travel, path of least
resistance type situations, rightes, Yeah, but also you know, for the
advantageous food, right the animals getting hit by trains and trash comes off trains.
There's always you know, litter around train tracks, and uh yeah,
I think they definitely definitely hang around railroads. I agree, I agree.
Yeah, well others. I mean, there was one friend that was saying
that he was sitting in a passing track waiting for another train to come by,
and he just had to look over to his bright and once on a
cliff, and this thing walked out of the out of the woods and was
kind of looking at them like you know, curiosity. Look. Yeah,
he said it was about seven seven and a half feet tall. It was
huge, as he said, came out, looked at it, stood there
for about a couple three four minutes, which you know, I mean,
you know, thirty seconds in the woods is a long time. I can't
imagine how, you know. Yeah, and and and he said, it
sat there, stood there, you know, didn't make a move, didn't
do anything. And then just he looked away, looked back, and the
thing was gone after a couple of minutes. So so I don't know if
they were you know, obviously they're not. I'm sure that just curiosity talking
about the one you saw. You were talking about just how massive it was.
Any estimation on size, you know, compared to the snowplower or anything.
Well, I went back a couple of days later. Unfortunately, you
know, snow it melted a little bit. We had a rainfall I think
after that, so there were tracks, but it was really diminished and you
couldn't really see it too much. We uh. I brought a friend with
me, who had no clue what I was doing. At that time.
I was still hesitant to coming out with my story. And I measured the
trees and the trees over the snow was I think a little over six feet
and I know this thing was head and shoulders over those trees, so I'm
thinking at least seven seven and a half feet tall at the most, or
you know, roughly. Yeah. And and for signs, oh man,
this thing had to be oh gee, five hundred pounds at least man just
stacked. Yeah, and I'm sure like four hundred if it was muscle.
You know, you hear you hear these stories of them, you know,
coming down and just grabbing deer and just walking away with them, or you
know, throwing an elk or a moose over their shoulders and away they go.
I after looking at it, I don't doubt it. If you wants
my moose, he could have it. Have a good one, you know.
Yeah, where you were at at the time of your sighting, was
that like a normal route for you to go on? Yes? Yes.
In fact, I grew up not far from there, like maybe two or
three miles from that location, so I had spent I don't know about eleven
years of my life in that area that chain trestle. There's a little stream
called Skinny Crickets runs through there. I used to fish that as a kid
when I was when I was younger. All the way through it, like
those hills. I've hunted those hills, so it's not like I you know,
it knows I'm there, you know. Yeah, is that roadway?
Does it get much traffic or anything? It's a major highway. It's highway
too that runs from Seattle all the way. In fact, I think Highway
two runs all the way to across the country through Montana. I know that
that's as far as I've gone. So yeah, it's it's a major road.
So let me ask you about this because this is something that I think
about, you know, fairly, fairly often as my mind wonders on the
mysteries of Bigfoot. I mean, one thing that stands out immediately is you
were at an s turn. Ye countless roadside sidings, road crossing sidings happen
at curves and roads or low areas between two hills where you know, the
siding happens very quickly. But it also seems like it might possibly be a
situation where the vehicle surprised the bigfoot, right, But I mean, these
things have to be totally aware of their surroundings at all times. Do you
think that was the case with you? Do you think you actually got the
drop on it or is it just used to not being seen. Do you
think the roadway itself plays a part in that in anyway, you know,
like I said, it flinched, So I think it was kind of like,
oh gosh, I got caught. But if I just sit here motionless,
they won't see me. And I almost get the feeling, you know.
And I think about this at times, you know, I mean I
think about it often, actually, that it sat there motionless, and I
don't think it's probably the first time that it's been there doing that and got
caught by cars. Now, luckily I had that light over the over the
cab that illuminated a lot, and if you know, if it wasn't for
that, I wouldn't have I wouldn't even known it was even there. Yeah,
and if I had my normal personal vehicle, now, those lights aren't
even weren't even close to being bright enough to to to illuminate through those trees
and get to what what, you know, what I was looking at.
So I think it's probably done it before, or you know, walked along
the road. Maybe you know it's been there at one time, you know,
I just don't I didn't. I don't get the sense that it was
its first time. Yeah, you know, we think that these things are
extremely intelligent. I mean I talk about that a lot. I think most
people underestimate their intelligence. But then you have these sightings where one runs out
across the road in front of a vehicle and I'm just like, why didn't
it just wait and hide until the vehicle had passed? You know? Yeah,
I think about that too, you know, wondering if it's like a
like a juvenile or something that that freaks out. In this case, it
really sounds like that side light just really surprised it, you know, because
it's not supposed to be there and it got caught in the light, right
or knowing that you know that it's been there before, and it's just gonna
wait until okay they're gone and then continue on whatever it was doing. So
yeah, I get that feeling. A lot. I think about that because
otherwise we probably would have acted a little differently. But what do I know.
I'm just a mere humans. Yeah. I mean you said that you
had heard of other encounters and stuff in that general location before. Yes,
I have. I have. There's a logging road, there's an old logging
road just beyond that that trestle. I mean, it's not even like a
quarter mile from that. And I know that certain loggers on that hill and
that valley have have said a few things that they they say it was screams
from like a cougar or or whatever else. But you know, I've heard
I've heard the chirps from cougars. I've heard the the the yelling of of
I don't know if you ever, if you realize or most of your listeners
will realize that that cougars have a really distinct sound. It sounds like a
woman being mutilated. Basically, Yeah, it is freaky when you hear in
the wood, it is freaky. But I know that sasquatch have kind of
a sound like that as well, but it's a little different tone, I
guess, or note, you know, you want to talk about musical notes.
So I don't know if if they heard that or not, or if
it was you know, those loggers actually you know, if that's what they
were hearing, so right, you know, you know, if you don't
believe in sasquatch, the first thing you're going to do is trying to rationalize
that particular sound or whatever, and you know, I mean even Sasquatch people
do it too. Do you think your parents, you know, you talked
about them like how you felt like you had been lied to. Do you
think they were aware of these things or do you think they were just,
Oh, that's actually not real. So of course these people are making up
stories or didn't really see one. Never really got to talk to my dad
about it. He passed away in twenty twelve, a couple years prior.
But I have talked to my mom about She's she's still among the living today,
and she's kind of she believes that there's something out there. She doesn't
know what it is, and she goes because of the footprints. Okay,
once you explain those footprints, then I'll believe or disbelief. She's definitely a
you know, believer on site kind of person. Yeah yeah, what can
you show me? Yeah yeah, And to be honest with you, up
till that moment, I was kind of the same way. It's like,
you know, I hunt fish, you know, and I wander the woods
all the time. I go hiking them as much as I can because I
love the outdoors. And you know, for what forty for forty years I
never saw a thing, and that just doesn't know, that doesn't compute with
me. So I was kind of being a disbeliever as well, until until
I saw it, of course, and then it just exploded from there.
I was just going to say, like, growing up there, you know,
hearing stories, it's part of the culture there. As you got older,
was it ever like on your mind while you were out there hunting or
anything, just even the possibility that something might be out there. No,
not really, It was never really crossed my mind too much. I just
kind of wrote it off as folklore and and just kind of something to keep
kids at home kind of thing, you know, or around the house.
I never really, no, I didn't really think about it. Now I
think about it. I mean even now I think about it. You know,
I'm I'm driving along the hat, you know, around town, and
I'm like, I wonder if they could cloak themselves and be in the middle
downtown. See, you know, Yeah, here in Oklahoma, we definitely
didn't. I mean, bigfoot was not something that I ever heard about in
Oklahoma until I started actually looking into it. I had never heard of a
siding or anything like that. But then, like you, I was one
of those people that experienced bigfoot hindsight. Where after I had my encounter and
realized, oh crap, these things are real, then I started thinking back
to different instances of things I had experienced as a kid, And like you,
I was one of those kids that grew up in a generation where you
know, son came up. I was out the door and in the woods
for the day by myself, you know, with a machete and or a
little hatchet and a bb gun, and nobody worried about me until it was
dinner time. So were right, right, What a great way to grow
up? Yeah, you know, and I did have you know, during
those times, I did have one experience while I was out there that definitely
came to mind later on in life where there was something big that went crashing
through the brush that I never saw and terrified me, froze me in my
footsteps. And that was the last time I went that far into the woods
by myself. But it wouldn't you know, it wasn't you know, bigfoot
just wasn't on my radar back then. It wasn't even a possibility, which
is a blessing. You. I was a little kid, like you,
don't want to think you're out there with bigfoot, for sure. But it
was kind of interesting because later on in life, after I started investigating the
phenomenon and everything, there was actually some sightings nearby that area, and I
took a trip out there, not expecting to find anything, and we found
a footprint maybe a mile away from where that had happened to me as a
kid. So, you know, it's just kind of mind blowing how widespread
these things are whenever you start to actually pay attention and look for them.
You know. One of the one of the things that really blew my mind
was when I first started looking into it, and probably the first day was
I didn't realize that every state in the Union has had a sighting of some
sort of sasquatch in it. Obviously, some have a heck of a lot
more than others. Down to Tennessee and you know, along the Appalachian Trail,
and and you know, out in the swamps in the backwoods of Oklahoma,
which I like parts of Oklahoma. I always thought I was just scrubbling,
you know. Yeah, you have to visit, well, you know,
my only visit at one time was Fort Sill, Oklahoma, when I
was in the military and that was not a very pleasant you know, Oklahoma.
But there's sightings all over the place, and I always thought of just
the Northwest thing, you know, you know, the the weird guys trying
to keep you know, the scooby doo people trying to keep people away from
there, you know there. Let's see, how can I say this appropriately?
Their harved There were a lot of them in the seventies and eighties,
and I'm sure some of that took place. I'm sure there was some shenanigans
every now and then. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm one hundred percent. I'm
ninety nine percent sure that we saw some of those. So have you gone
on like any investigations or anything. I've only done my own recreations. I've
I've done quite a bit with friends. Since coming back from Pennsylvania to Washington
State again, I purposely moved. I'm like a mile from the Olympic National
Park because I know that this is a hotbed with with with Sasquatch as well.
I'd love to get at least have an interviewer, at least sit down
and talk to some of the you know, like the Olympic so I know
they have expeditions that are here all the time. They I mean from where
I'm from, where I'm actually located. I've heard on other podcasts that there's
a guy about a mile and a half away had something knock on his door,
you know, inside of his house. Somebody was talking over the hill.
Here there's a he had a research site there. I just started one
down the road from where he had just started it like last weekend, so
it'll be a little while until i can cultivate some data from it. But
yeah, I'm really and being here. I Oddly enough, I've actually had
eyeshine out of my window at about twenty twenty five feet away, and I've
had it once in November, once in January, and I'm about very about
fifty percent sure that I had it two weeks ago and two different ones.
One was a was a bright blue eyeshine, which the best thing I can
describe it, it's like the highlight or the hype eam indicator and your dashboard
your vehicle that blue. And then the other one was red, more commonly
red. And I think I had another one, but I'm not one hundred
percent sure. The first one was really weird because well it was that blue.
So I was sitting here watching TV and my TV is elevated up above
the I've got two sliding glass doors underneath it. And I'm sitting there watching
and all of a sudden, these two blue eyes just start shining at me.
And I didn't think anything of it, thinking it was a reflection,
and then it kind of moved a little and that's when it caropt my eye,
you know, it kind of kind of cocked his head a little bit,
and that's when I knew that it wasn't And there was no way.
I was looking at the angle too. It's like, you know, from
where I'm sitting in the lights and where it's at, there's no way that's
a reflection of something on that wall over there, because I don't have any
lights on that wall. And I got up and it left. The next
time I saw red lights or red shine, and that was real quick too,
And that was kind of funny because I got to see it actually move
away, meaning that it pulled away and walked away, so you got to
see the eyes, you know, just kind of leave. And was that
at the same place, the same window, same same basic area, And
there's a there's a and it's funny too be I have a neighbor that's about
twenty feet away, twenty twenty five feet away, well maybe a little farther
than that, but not by much. And they have never heard anything,
seen anything. But I don't know if they know what to look for,
or if they even care to look for it. So it's fine with me.
But it's it's kind of a you go out about twenty feet and then
it just dives. It's a it's a it's a steep incline down to the
to the main road of this area. And if you follow that down about
another three hundred feet or so, there's a stream that comes up from the
higher mountains that goes into the lake that I'm right by, and I think
they follow that stream down, come up and it's all shaded except for the
winter time. It's not obviously because the leaves are gone, and they can
stand there. I can sit there and nobody will ever see me. Yeah,
it's a perfect spot. So they've already they've already, they've already scoped
me out. You know, they must say, oh, hey, energy
in the area, let's go take a look. I'm not sure if it's
me or what but like me, I'm trying to remember when this wasn't last
weekend. Before I went to bed, I got up, turn off the
lights, turn off the TV. It was about ten, ten thirty at
night, and I was heading down the hallway to go to bed, and
I just got to like, just fear this, this overwhelming fear. I've
never felt that before, especially in my own home. You know. Yeah,
I don't know how many how often I get looked at or watched.
Somebody was telling me that I need to put up a game career, you
know, the game camera up there. But I don't know. I don't
know if I want to do. I don't want to scare them away.
I mean in your situation, you know, as long as it's like a
safe situation and you're interested in him, I don't know how you had won
get rid of them, as long as they were behaving exactly, you know.
And that brings on another thought that I've been that I've been formulating,
is is why is there evil ones and good ones? You know, there's
stories, I mean there there's there's I mean, they're that one guy up
in British Columbia back in the nineteen fifteen or whatever, that was kidnapped and
you know, taken up to their whatever. You know, there's that story.
I kind of okay, you know, but there's other stories too,
Like there's a there's a hunter up in central Washington that was sleeping in a
sleeping bag and had a you know, his gun under you know, in
the sleeping bag, and something straddled him and just basically kicked the crap out
of him. Oh wow, Literally he woke up, you know, well
obviously was it woke, but it was like it was a two hour and
he was just boom, you know, something just you know how big brothers
go little brothers and just slapping them back and forth. And then once day
broke, he it left. He got up, wandered or wandered or hyped
down to his truck, went to the emergency room. He had broken ribs,
he had a separated shoulder. I'm not sure if that's you know,
because he had a gun. But there's seems to be evil ones too and
good ones. There's a story up by Mount Baker where this guy he twists
an ankle, and he twisted his ankle really bad. He was seven miles
from his truck and as he was sitting there, his sasquatch came out of
the wood woods, appeared to him, came up, and another one came
up alongside. They picked him up and carried him all the way down to
the trailhead, set him down, and then just kind of sat off in
the in the bushes a little, but make sure he was safe until somebody
showed up for him. There's good and bad stories. Whether they're believable,
I don't know, but there's enough of them to where it's like my mom,
there's enough tracks out there to make it believable. There's got to be
some truth to it, especially with people who've never met each other before,
having you know, the same basic experiences as this person did. That's the
thing, you know, whenever I first started getting involved in this, I
was, you know, what people consider a researcher, field investigator, whatever
you want to call it. And you know, I was fortunate enough to
hook up with some really good people who had been doing this for a long
time that weren't really interested in being big names in the bigfoot world. You
know, we're speaking at conferences. Not that there's any thing wrong with that,
but they just weren't interested in that stuff. Right, and they some
of them knew a lot of people in Oklahoma and a Native American community,
and these people, I mean, I was hearing stories all the time,
you know, firsthand, secondhand, where people were encountering these things and having
all kinds of just mind blowing encounters. And like you're saying, some were
good, some were bad. But these people, this was before all the
Facebook groups and pages and all the podcasts and the YouTube channels. These people
weren't on the Internet. They weren't picking up stories from other places. They
were they were saying, this is what's going on. And after you hear
enough of them and start meeting some of the people telling you these things,
you don't have any choice. But there has to be truth in it.
There has to be now, there has to be something in it. Yeah.
The Alaska First Natives up up in Alaska where they think of the theory
of Ni kushna Khah that they say that it cheap shifts. I heard one
of the medicine man chief do Dad, you know, one of the higher
ups in the in the in the leader. I think it was the one
off of outside of Kitchikan, to be honest with you, but he was
saying that the Kushna Khah takes the shape of a bigfoot. That blew my
mind. That blew my mind. I press pause on the on the on
the podcast or whatever it was, I think it was YouTube channel at the
time, and uh I just sat there. I was like, Wow,
now that tooks a totally different wrinkle. Yeah. So yeah, that blew
my that that was recent. That that that that's the last or latest thing
that blew my mind. I'm still grasping that one. I mean, do
you think, you know, talking about how some are good some are evil?
Do you think it's just like humans, how there's just like some people
that are just bad people and then there's some people that are good people.
Well, yeah, and another friend that that I know who's a researcher,
he was telling me that, you know that basically just almost forbade In.
What you said is that you know, there are some bad ones out there
and they think that the energy, you know, the plan can feed on
energy. I mean it's I mean, I can't prove it, of course
I don't have a meter or an energy meter or whatever, but I mean
it seems very logical that they are based on interviews and just you know,
the the reports out there from people that they can actually feed off of our
energy. You know, if you're having a good time at a campfire,
not looking for sasquatch, but actually enjoying each other's company, who you know,
the people are on the fire wherever, they tend to get more encounters
with sasquats then people that are actually trying to locate them. You know,
it's almost like the sasquats, no, oh, you're trying to find us.
Well, let's play a little hide and seek, you know. Yeah.
Yeah, based on that, if they can actually sense energy from each
other, and the clan feels that one of them is just not matching their
energy once, you think that they would kick them out too. Now you
have a rogue, you know, sasquatch that's running around in the woods.
Who knows, maybe one bad day, maybe you got in a fight,
maybe you know, got an argument with it with the missus, you know,
or whatever. It wouldn't surprise I mean, bears do it. Every
other animal in the world has has bad days regardless, So yeah, it
wouldn't surprise me that one of them, you know, there might be one
or two out there with their with their wiring, just not one hundred percent
like it should be. Yeah, I mean I totally agree being able to
you know, whether it's feeding off energy or just you know, base basing
their own behavior off of it, even you know it cos to survival.
I think that's a big explanation as to why oftentimes you hear about encounters with
hunters where it seems to be a more aggressive encounter, whether you know,
the bigfoot puts on a display of aggression or runs them out of the woods
or you know, throws rocks, whatever. Because whenever you're out there hunting,
even if you're not trying to shoot the bigfoot, you're still in hunter
mode. You know, you're still putting off that energy of a predator out
in the woods, and maybe that leads to some of the more aggressive encounters.
Whereas where you're talking about you know, people just out camping, having
a good time, not hunting and not thinking about anything like that. The
bigfoot see that is a safer situation and just come in and kind of like
chill and observe and you know, maybe mess with them a little bit.
Yeah, I I never thought about the hunter situation, but yeah, you're
absolutely right. I mean I always thought that, yeah, there's more,
there's more sightings during the full time, because there's actually more people in the
in the woods, in the excuse me, in the not so common areas
of the woods to be able to get sightings. But never thought about the
idea that your your mind frame going out there is totally different than just going
out there to be alone. A couple of things come to mind just off
the top of my head, and like, of course I can't prove either
one of these, you know stories, A lot of people will actually remember
this one. It wasn't that long ago. I don't know if I should
have said that, because it may have been ten years, but you know
how it gets whenever you get older. But there was a little boy,
I believe in North Carolina that went missing for a while. He was gone
for a few days, and then they just you know, huge search effort,
you know, combing the woods, hundreds of people, all these different
agencies, you know, using flear and tracking dogs and helicopters and everything else
trying to find this little boy. Eventually, you know, after I believe
it was a couple of days went by. Now it's become sort of a
recovery mission. You know, there's no way he could have survived. And
then they just found him, like just standing out in the woods, and
he said that a bear had taken care of him. Right. You know,
there's another story in Montana that that happened too, almost verbatim, almost
the same age. I think he was like six years old, and you
know, well, what is a six year old gonna think a bigfoot looks
like? You know, it doesn't know what a bigfoot is, so right,
right, saying that it was a bear. But then on the other
end of the spectrum, there was a story about a guy who had gone
out to an area to side in his hunting rifle and it was kind of
off on the side of the road out in the middle of nowhere wooded area.
There's like a big embankment, basically kind of a scooped outside of the
hill. They're pretty common shooting areas where I'm at, but I don't know
if everybody has him like this. But anyways, the guy didn't come home
and they went looking for him, and they found his vehicle and the guy
was dead inside the cab of his pickup truck. I can't remember if his
rifle was missing or if they found it. It seems like they found the
rifle, but it was all busted up, like something had like beaten it
on a boulder or something. It was all torn up, and his body
was practically folded in half and kind of like shoved down under the steering wheel.
And there was supposedly large barefoot footprints all around the vehicle, and they
followed the footprints up this trail that kind of like went up on top of
the ridge or whatever where you sight in the rifles, and eventually they lost,
you know, the footprints, but there was I think some blood up
there and some shell ca scenes where it appeared like the guy had gone up
there and shot at something and maybe hit one. Oh and so that story
sounds really unbelievable. I get it. This story came from someone who was
involved in the actual police investigation at the time. Wow, so insider information.
Yeah, yeah, So it's like, Okay, the general idea was
that maybe he saw one while he was out there or something, there was
some sort of altercation, he shot at one, and that was the end
result where a little kid gets lost in the woods and they help him back
safety and keep them alive. Okay, So it's you know, I mean,
are they our friends? Are they not? You know what makes you
know? What makes some friends? And so how can we tell the difference?
Yeah? I mean because in podcasting, you know, especially like you
self admittedly listen to podcasts. I'm a podcaster, you know. I there's
a lot of scary stories out there. There's a lot of violent stories out
there, and I talk to a lot of people that are afraid of these
things oftentimes, but if they wanted to, nobody would be telling any of
these stories, you know, exactly, As far as I understand, there's
never been a bigfoot or disappear not yet, huh, as long as people
have been going out in the woods, going into their territory and messing with
them, trying to eliciting nobody, So I think usually people are safe.
You know. That brings on another another thing that I've been kind of pondering
for the last month, month and a half, two well year, year
and a half two years, is I watch a lot of David Pilotti's I
don't know if you ever listened to his Uh can I'm missing for when one
stuff right? Some of his missing stories, I just can't with all the
people and all the the circumstances around it. I can't help but feel and
this is just me, don't know. I'm sure somebody out there will be
like, hey, just you know whatever, we'll take it wrong. But
here we go that it's really hard for me to sit here and think about
that Sasquatch is not involved at least somewhat or knows what where these people actually
go. And here's my case. There's a story that he did on a
missing berry picker in Goose Creek. It's it's at by Leavenworth, Washington.
It's actually not far from my sighting, and it's over the mountain, a
couple of mountain ranges. But I mean, if a bear can go fifty
miles in a day for food, I'm you know, it's it's not far.
This lady went berry picking. There's a lot of huckleberries up there,
great huckleberries. And nothing was found, absolutely zero, not a hat,
not her bag, not her you know, nothing except for a car.
Of course, they did the Sheriff's department did a search around there, and
they never they couldn't find anything. So after the first day of search they
left. When they came back the next morning to continue this search, there
was a large x in the trees where the commander was parked. So I
sit there and I say, you know that there's no way that you know,
whether you know it was his patch, one of those brogue sasquatches we
were talking about earlier. It leads me to believe that there's something you know
that there there's you know, there's obviously I'm not smart enough or or in
the know, or or funded well enough to be able to go out there
and figure out that is you know, these answers. But it's really,
really, really hard for me to say that in some of these missing people,
now, whether they're they're they're I mean, I don't know if they're
grabbing them and taking away, or if they see the sasquatch break out,
start running and fall into a cliff or you know, fall into a ravine
or or whatever, and then you know, sasquatch takes him. And I
don't know if you've you've I talked to another And here's another story that kind
of goes with this. There's a guy, uh, there's a community up
and up in the where I grew up that this guy had chickens. And
I was told by a researcher. And then I went and actually talked to
the guy because you know sometimes stories over time, you know a couple of
details of Louve Harrocan, right, And I talked to him and I was
like, well, talk to me about that. You know what happened?
He goes, Well, he came home one night about eleven o'clock. It
was you know, there was snow. It wasn't snowing, but it was
snow, and on the snow bank there were four chickens. Boom boom,
boom boom, he goes. What was so funny was they were laid out
exactly in the same way and their beaks were pointing in the exactly the same
direction. So I went in to go go get my camera. This is
what early eighties I think. I went into going to get my camera,
came out so I can take a picture, and when I came out,
two of them are missing. But that leads to my point of is that
you see things that they have made and they are perfectly done, like the
beaks pointing in exactly the same direction. Who's to say that that their attention
to detail which blows me away? An animal can actually think of that isn't
detail oriented enough to be able to make sure that the scene, you know,
all hats all closed, all you know, whatever, is gone.
Some people believe that they that they'll go through an area and they will purposely
walk in an area to where they won't leave footprints. That's pretty detail oriented.
I mean, that's that's like, that's like reconnaissance of the Marine Corps
kind of. Yeah, thank yeah, you know, I mean there's one
of the first things that I was told about was the possibility of them using
like a branch or something to brush away their tracks. Oh, I've never
heard of that. Yeah. And then out in the field, we first
hand found situations where they would change up their pattern, change up their tracks.
Say they're walking in one direction and there's tracks there, and then the
tracks vanish. Yes, but then if you go off to the left or
the right ten fifteen feet away, you find the tracks again, as if
they became aware that they were leaving tracks and they jumped off to the side
to make the tracks. Also situations where they could have climbed up on a
tree, limb or something overhead or used the rocks. Rocks are a big
one. It seems like they'll step on rocks intentionally, so they don't leave
tracks. But there's other than humans, There's nothing else out there that are
aware of themselves to the point where they understand tracks and that they're leaving tracks
and will do things to try and hide that. And who are they hiding
it from? Me? Unless it's us? What else would they be hiding
their tracks from. Yeah, I definitely believe that they're responsible for some of
the missing persons for sure. Yeah, I tend to believe that too.
I just think it's a situation kind of like sometimes grizzly bears kill people,
but not all encounters with grizzly bears end in a grizzly bear attack. I
think it's a very similar situation. Not all people that go missing in the
woods, it's not all Bigfoot, but it could happen for sure, Right,
And then, I mean, if you get attacked by a grizzly bear,
there's gonna be marks and scuffle, there's scene of you know whatever.
You know, these people vanish without a trace nothing. It's it's just it's
it's really hard for me to think you know something with that much intelligence,
you know that much nowhere and and be able to see in the future a
little bit like, Oh, somebody's going to be here, so I better,
you know, clean up. It's a criminal criminal. I want to
wipe my fingerprints down. But I mean, if you go back and you
know native lore, a lot of things that kind of sound like a Bigfoot
by description. It's about they kidnap children or they kidnap women. It's always
about taking people. So it's not like a new concept even if we're just
going back and looking at folklore. And then like you were talking about the
Albert Osman story, they snagged him up and you know, hauled him off.
Yeah. You know. One last thing that really spooked me out in
the woods is is I grew up. I used to go up to this
one lake quite a bit, used to hike into it. Used to be
an annual event, usually on my birthday or somewhere around it, and which
is mid July. And uh, I walked up to this lake. And
when I was up there, I mean I was in flip flop shorts and
a T shirt. And uh as I was as I got there on a
fishing pool. Of course, when I got there, the black clouds start
popping over the hill just before it so I turned around and started heading back,
and you kind of have to go up on the way back, and
we have to go up this kind of a little bit of a hill and
then you're pretty much it's downhill from then on out, and it's zig ziggs.
When I got up the top that I heard a thump in the woods
behind me. So I sat there thinking it didn't look it didn't sound huge.
It just sounded like a deer crashing through. Actually it wasn't. It
wasn't huge. It was just weird. You know, today I think it
was. Well, I'll tell you the rest and i'll tell you what I
think it was later. So I started walking and you hear it. You
don't hear footsteps, but you hear the cracking, you know, the cracking
of the of the bushes and the and the you know, it's just it's
like, that's interesting. Now I've been followed. The deer will do this
around here, especially if they're not used to humans. They will they will
follow humans once for a while. We I've experienced that many times in the
Alpine lakes. So I'm just think it was a deer. Well, halfway
through this hike, yeah, there's a there's a power line that goes from
uh, I think green you know, uh grand Coolie all the way to
Overhear to Seattle. In the Seattle there it helps or the grid. And
I'm sitting there and had a nice little overlook and I'm just kind of playing,
you know, just looking, just kind of taking a break before I
hit the switchbacks. And right when I start, I look up and there's
a six year old kid staring at me right yeh or red shirt, and
I'm just looking, going, what the heck? What are you doing out
here? You know, first thing I thought I was a sheep shifter,
like go you know, and he started talking. He came up and he
started talking like where you were you? And I'm like, uh, never
mind me where what are you doing here? He goes, oh, my
mom and a few others. Well, we're sitting there talking. Just right
then the mom and came up on the trail. He just ran ahead,
which to me, I don't think that was very smart, but that's just
me. So we're sitting there conversing and I told him to think, yeah,
the you know, the clouds I left early because of the clouds were
coming over the hill and blah blah, blah blah, and right when I
was about ready to leave, I went, hey, you might want to
keep your head up. I didn't want to care there's a there's a deer
or something along the side of you. Guys might get a good sight,
and you know, I wanted to keep their heads up so then just in
case, they can probably survive, you know whatever, and you know,
just keep an eye out. And they're like, okay, thank you.
Well, like I said, this thing was a power line. This thing
is open. We didn't see anything cross from those trees all the way across
the three hundred yards or two hundred yard power line roads through the trees or
to the other side. And wouldn't you know it, every single time I
hit the west side of of the switchback, because they went from from west
to east to west to east, and they came down this hill. Every
time that I got close to the western point, it would move to advantage
point to watch me. Huh and I and I got scared. That that
was the only time still today that I got scared in the woods. I've
I've come up on cougars, I've I've come up on bears. No,
no grizzlies yet, but black bears, which which by the way, are
just as dead deadly. Yeah, yeah, they attack people more than grizzly
bears do. Yeah. And I and they say, oh, it's because
there's you know, seventy five thousand black bears in America. It's like,
yeah, I don't know, but that's okay, whatever, I'm not gonna
argue with you. And you know, I've come up on him on my
own and I've you know, step aside, let him walk through. I've
done, I've you know. But that was the first time that I actually
just I because it was watching me, nobody else, not the dug On
kids, the easy prey that went up there after me. And when I
got to the truck, I sat there and I looked back and I'm like,
wow, you know, I was, I got I just left.
I went to a sporting good store and for the first time in forty five
years in the woods, whatever, I finally I'm now carrying some type of
protection with me other than a walking stick. That's how bad it scared me.
It got me. It changed my whole entire outlook. So I got
to talking to a couple of my researcher friends, and the first one looked
at me, and he goes, wait a minute, you've been hiking up
there since you were eight nine somewhere narative. Oh yeah, it's one of
my first hights. I was like seven or something like that when I first
went there. He goes, do you think it was a situation where that
sasquatch remembered you and wanted to follow you out to make sure that you were
all right? And I'm like, no, I think he was trying to
kill me. Yeah, he was definitely going to eat me. No,
I was bigger and fatter than those people he wanted me. I have more
muscle more. But I mean, that's a prime example of how you know
a situation can make a turn either direction depending on your perspective of it exact
that. That's a great point. Yeah, that well, I was never
more scared in my life. I've never experienced that before. And it was
smart enough to know the perfect places to see where I'm at without being without
being discovered himself herself. Yeah, maybe it was a female. Who knows,
Hey, maybe there's another perspective that could be seen. Yeah, that
was I that. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't grow
in the woods anymore without some type of of of protection of some sort.
Now that that that that got me. That was the only time I've ever
been really scared in the woods. Have you had any paranormal experiences or UFO
sidings, Yes, And I haven't really talked about it much because there's been
times. There was one time that my I think was my brother, we
did an overnight stay up in up in the only in these lights, something
was and we were up on a hill and something was flying down down below
us with weird lights. Now it was unidentified. The next morning we saw,
uh, it's also a training area for uh uh, there's a wod
w'd be uh would be Air Air Base Widbey Island Naval Base or whatever they
call it, that they train up in that area as well. And they
were they were flying F sixteen's in the almost exactly the same spot the next
day or you know, throughout the week they were doing it. So I
have experienced that there's a house in Leavenworth that I don't know if it's still
there or not, but it was funny because the ghost that inhabits that house
was definitely an arborist or a florist of some sort, because all the plants
in the place would would be in the most perfect sunlight all day it'd be
they'd be moved all day long. They'd be moved. That was creepy,
like it would move like the plants around, so they were staying in the
sun the most optable sunlight for that particular plant. Yes, wow, that's
crazy. Yeah, that would That was my first experience with with with paranormal
I didn't believe it either until I actually physically saw it. You know.
The owner's like, well, watch this puts three plants out. We walked
in the other room and she just looked at me and goes, we'll give
it a couple of minutes. Why walk back in there, and the plants
were removed, all three of them were. I just said, let's do
it again. Did it again, and they were moved again. Can you
imagine like the first fifteen or so times that happens, like before you realize
what's going on. Like I could have swore that those plants were on the
other side of the room. Yeah, and and and that's what she said
when she first moved in like ten years ago, though, that she would,
you know, put out the plants and I could have swore it,
but that what does she finally figured it out. What was going on?
Wow? Yeah, that was that was that it never never never appeared,
never showed, never never did anything other than just move the plants the ultimal
place for their sunlight or whatever they needed. It's all it cared about.
That's all it cared about. I have seen orb I saw an orbit once,
but it was dear a. Uh well, I was pretty drunk,
I'll have to admit, so I I can't give it to you. But
we were out in the woods, you know, a bunch of us,
big bombfire and one of our friends was looking up going it's kind of a
kind of a light blue like ball cylinder thing over the top of the trees,
and we all looked at it and it took off. But like I
said, we were all drinking, so so that that that's that's all that
I've in the paranormal world that I've experienced. You know, there's a lot
of people out there that that you know, with the with the balls of
you know, the orbs and sasquatch are very very connected, and there's a
connection there too. Somehow, some way. There's a lady up in outside
of Arlington, Washington that uh, I can't remember where I where I read
it from, but she saw UFO come down in an uh you know,
white light down to the walk to the ground, and a sasquatch walked out
of the white light. Really yeah, I I I read it like two
years ago. I flagged it and then I had to get a new phone,
and I was like, you know, I really want to see that.
I would have really liked to have to printed that off and put it
in my my my files. Yeah, it's but if you do, it's
a Arlington, Washington, like you know, Arlington, Virginia. That's pretty
interesting. One of the first uh quote unquote crazy stories I heard in Bigfoot
twenty you know, twenty five years ago, was about somebody who supposedly had
video, oh night vision video from like I want to say, like one
of those Sony handicams that had the night shot on them right right of some
sort of UFO type craft. Uh in like a field that opened up and
a ball of light came out, and out of that ball of light came
some bigfoot that like ran off into the woods. Now I never saw the
video, you know, but but like now you're telling me about a story
about Bigfoot coming out of the ball of light. So that's pretty crazy.
Yeah, I am, I am. I heard it. I heard it
too on another one of my conversations or something. But somebody else brought it
up to once and it was like, wow, all right, unprovoked,
like I didn't, I didn't ask for it. I just yeah, it
came out. I can't remember where I also I heard it. But that's
that's kind of a crazy. That kind of that leads you out to believe
that there's you know, kind of goes back to the there's more going on
here in the paranormal with with sasquatches now related to it. You know the
portals. You know, they say, oh, there's got to be some
type of a portal out there. Well, if there's portals, and why
doesn't one pop up in middle of Seattle or Oklahoma City or New York?
Well, why is it always in the in the woods? I mean,
are they that intelligent to be able to do that? Whenever you start getting
into the portal stuff, it's completely out of my wheelhouse. I don't even
know. I can't wrap my brain around it. I just can't mind too.
It blows my mind as well. It's like it's just above my intellect.
I mean, I'm I'm open to the idea of anything. At this
point. I don't think anything should be taking off the table because I don't
think anybody really knows anything. I think we've got some basic ideas, you
know, based off of observations that people have had firsthand. But outside of
that, I don't really think we know anything. So until the day that
we do, I'm keeping all doors open. That's pretty much. And it
seems like the farther we get into it, the more we realize we don't
know anything. I think that's a good place to end it. Stan.
I appreciate you coming on man and talking with me and sharing your stories.
Yeah, well I will. I'll stay in touch if something comes up again
or whatever, or yeah, yeah, I'd be more happy to tell you
about even more my things that are going on. So keep those eyes peeled
out that window. Yeah, something transpires there. I will let you know.
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