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A Catholic bishop seems to think he
knows why there is a mental health crisis

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affecting children. Well, if anyone
knows how to drive children into a downward

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spiral, it is certainly a member
of the Catholic clergy. They have expertise

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in covering up sexual assault and demanding
young girls into thinking that they're inferior to

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men. Richard, what is it
that this child psychology expert attributes to mental

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health crisis or crises affecting children?
I assume you are saying child psychology expert

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end quotes. Oh, that's right, that is a quote unquote remark.

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In his recent address, US Catholic
Bishop Robert Baron raised the concerns about the

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burgeoning mental health crisis, attributing it
to what he terms a second pandemic.

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Highlighting the staggering rise and depression and
suicide rates, especially among youth, Baron

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points to the social media as a
significant contributor. He emphasizes the adverse effects

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of increased screen time, particularly during
the pandemic lockdowns, leading individuals to retreat

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into their virtual worlds and losing meaningful
direct social connections. Barn underscores the importance

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of genuine human connections for happiness and
argues against the culture of self centeredness perpetuated

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by social media. Drawing on insights
from psychologists like Jordan Peterson and Carl Jung,

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Bishop Baron suggests a spiritual dimension to
psychological problems, linking the decline in

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religious belief to declining mental health.
He advocates for a return to spiritual values,

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positing that true fulfillment lies in transcending
self preoccupation and embracing genuine connection with

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others. Bishop Baron stated, and
I quote the greatest source of human suffering

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is idolatry, false worship and a
quote. Perhaps the bishop should produce some

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evidence to substantiate that the worship he
encourages is to a God that actually exists.

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I also think that this Catholic bishop
should research how much sex abuse of

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children by authority figures contributes to depression
and other lifelong psychological problems for the victims

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and the nearby children worrying if they're
going to be the next victims. This

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story comes from a Farmer's Forum dot
com. Article was written by A Patrick

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Mager and it's out of Canada on
April tenth, twenty twenty four, with

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some Questions and Commentary by Richard Allen. Yeah. So you bring up some

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good points there, and you know, I want to turn to Scott and

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get his opinion. You know,
Scott, is this bishop kind of grasping

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its straws here in order to establish
a narrative that the church will solve problems

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created by social media. I think
it's significant to mention that they stave the

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way from problems created by the church
itself and instead look to find some other

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scapegoat for maybe a decline in youth
mental health stability, if you will.

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It seems like that article anyway,
was built up to this idea. What

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are your thoughts on that? I
think absolutely he was grasping at stris.

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I mean, this would be a
textbook case. It amazes me how much

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this man was able to pull straight
out of his ass and put into this

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article. It was just utterly bereft
of any anything of value. With one

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small exception. He did point out
that there was studies. He didn't specify

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any particular studies, but he said
that there's been studies that have shown an

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association between use of social media and
depression in youths. What he failed to

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mention is that there's also numerous studies
that show that there's no association between the

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two. Some even show that there's
a positive association between the two. But

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most importantly, what he failed to
mention is that in none of those studies,

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at least none of the ones that
I found, and I did a

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pretty exhaustive search, none of them
indicate any kind of causation. And you

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know, and we could certainly even
imagine a revi first causation there, like,

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if somebody is depressed, it's it's
easy to imagine that that would drive

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them to increase their social media use. If they're feeling Now, if they

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don't want to get out of the
house, they don't want to do things,

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you could easily see somebody turning to
social media to to have, you

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know, a certain kind of outlets
or something. And so the fact that

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it's just so up in the air, you know, the fact that he

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was drawing any kind of conclusion at
all is dubious. But the fact that

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he was trying to present that in
such a way that, oh, and

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we happen to have this unique solution
right this Christ right there, and it

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was just utterly, utterly ridiculous,
and it was difficult to read, I'll

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tell you that much. Yeah,
I agree with you there, But even

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in the midst of that difficulty,
I thought Jonathan had some good points that

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he's bringing into the show tonight.
So, Jonathan, I want to ask

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you about the thoughts you had on
hyper access to information. Is it maybe

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not necessarily social media itself that's the
problem, but the accessibility of social media

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that causes people to have certain expectations
that, when unfulfilled, maybe cause anxiety

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or depression. What is this hyper
access to information relationship with what what we're

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talking about tonight? Well? What
what? I what I first thought about

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this? I thought about Alvin Toffler's
Future Shock and how that affects people.

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Uh, when we get overloaded with
information, we tend to want to simplify

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things. And when we do that, we start simplifying things about ourselves and

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then we you can you can follow
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follow over stimulus and overpowering your mind. Ability to process all that information can

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be rather overwhelming. You start feeling
overwhelmed. It leads to other emotional issues.

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I don't think that that it's social
media is causing that kind of depression.

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I think social media actually gives people
connection with other people. It may

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not be physical, and I think
people do need physical contact with friends in

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that to really feel that connection,
but it helps the when they're not able

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to do that. And so I'm
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think a lot of the issues we're
having with social media is that a they're

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not and I hate to say it
this way because I'm going to get jumped

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on, they're not governed well.
The people who are running it are running

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it for the usual capital that they
get for running a business, instead of

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trying to keep the content under some
sort of control that isn't going to denegrate

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people. Students aren't going to get
bullied by fellows students that sort of thing,

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which causes a lot of that.
But the access to other people,

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and some of them not very nice
people, can also be contributing to it.

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Well, I think you raise a
good point. I mean, they're

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not governed well. But let's not
just blame the media companies, but let's

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also take a look at parents.
Me being a parent of a teenager myself,

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you know, I think there's a
bout empathies on that one. Yeah,

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it's been the greatest reward of my
life, but also among the most

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challenging. And I'll take the challenge
every day. But I will say,

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you know, parents have some role
to play in this. I can tell

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you that from what I have seen
so far, Jesus or Catholic churches are

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not helping at all. In fact, you know, I want to jump

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over to Richard and ask, you're
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say it's a Catholic bishop saying that
you know he's got the answer,

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and social media is to blame.
But isn't this a case of the pot

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calling the kettle black? Doesn't the
church own some cause at least for mental

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health issues with respect to their doctrine, especially how it affects children. What

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are your thoughts there? Well,
I think broadly, there's a lot of

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things about the Catholic I mean,
this guy is a bishop, so he's

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not you know, maybe this maybe
that he's doctrinaire. Otherwise you don't get

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to become a bishop. Where he
says the decline a religious belief to declining

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mental health? How does how does
religious belief that you put it a wafer

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in your mouth and it becomes part
of the body of Jesus. How does

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that help kids become rational and understand
the world better? I mean, this

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is this is you know, what
was what was Dawkins's major book on religion

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to God Delusion. There's lots of
psychologists that will say that, you know,

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if you took a religious thing and
took it outside of the group and

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did it, you'd be delusional.
I mean, imagine if somebody like Abraham

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today talked about wanting to take his
kid up on a hill and tie him

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down to a bunch of wood and
burn him to death they lock him up,

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that would be that would be at
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and probably you know, longer than
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than that. Well, but let's
face it. The point is, these

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are people here who again are distinctly
outside of the range of reality, trying

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to tell other people what is causing
them psychological problems. And I think what

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Scott said earlier is you know,
the proper orifice that he's bringing this stuff

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from. Yeah. Absolutely, And
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Scott because you know, Scott had
some concerns or some thoughts on the fact

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that atheism. How is atheism to
blame? I mean, the title of

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this article is atheism and smartphones lead
to depression. But Scott, you make

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a point that atheism isn't even hardly
mentioned in this article. You know,

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what do we have to take away
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I got is that, well,
first of all, in the headline he

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mentions atheism first before he mentioned social
media, and in the article he spends

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ninety percent of it talking talking about
social media. And then it was like

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at the end he's like, oh
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got to tie this to atheism somehow, And again, you know, it

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was just ridiculous and dubious and spurious
conclusions. And so he just mentions briefly

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at the end that uh he and
this one he didn't even pretend to cite

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a study. He just says,
you know, atheism leads to that,

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you know, spiritual deficit, and
and and so forth, when the and

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and again, we have a situation
where studies show a variety of things.

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There, Sure, there are some
studies that show that there is an association

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at least at least some sort of
association between a person's religiosity and their their

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happiness level and their depression level,
and and and uh and their you know,

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frequency of that of those types of
issues. Uh. The study,

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some of the studies that I found
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a U shaped curve that result,
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to one end of the spectrum or
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very non religious tended to be the
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satisfied with their can with their situation. And it was those people in the

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middle. A lot of the uh, you know, the spiritual but not

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religious, or the you know,
the fence sitters and that kind of thing.

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Those that's where the highest incidents of
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up. And so at best,
at best, he's he's telling half the

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story. But I think really what
he's doing is he is, like you

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said before, he's just grasping at
straws. I think it's no small amount

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of irony that the word scapegoat has
religious origins. Right back in the days

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when they used to take a pig
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take the curses and the demons and
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and throw them into the pig and
then kill the pig or eat the pig

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or whatever they did with it.
And you know, that's what's happening here.

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He doesn't, as as was already
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do not look back on himself.
He doesn't look at the problems that the

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that the Catholic Church and religion in
general can cause. He's just saying,

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oh, there's a problem, must
be them. And and it's really kind

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of as you bring up a great
point to so the sacrificing of animals and

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things like that. You know,
this kind of old style thought process,

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I thought. Jonathan h. Jonathan
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mentions the bishop quoting Carl Carl Young. Jonathan, can you can you talk

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to us a little bit about that. You had a very interesting quote that

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I'm not going to steal your thunder
by by reciting, but I'd like to

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hear your thoughts on this bishop's relationship
with Carl Young. Oh yeah, Well,

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Young said that all problems are spiritual, So imagine that as a as

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a deal, you know. And
the thing is that even Jordan Peterson's quote

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in there was was bad enough.
But his quote, of course, is

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that misery is due to you know, uh oh shoot, I'm messing it

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up here, all I, Jonathan, before you move on to Peterson,

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But what when you talk about the
Carl Jung quote, you say this bishop

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had to dig up a quote from
a sixty plus year old means right?

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I mean this is because Young Young
died in nineteen sixty one, you know,

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So it's like and he was,
you know, and he was an

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afficionado of Freud as well. So
you're talking late eighteen hundreds and to the

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early and him through the you know, early nineteen hundreds. So somebody who's

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working in psychology through the probably the
teens, twenties and thirties and forties,

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you know, if you have like
a forty year work life, and this

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guy's most of his things. He
was the father of a whole bunch of

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analytical psychology. I'm not detegrating his
original work for the period of time,

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however, we have moved on from
Freud and Young and Young really with his

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whole thing about the over soul or
the soul, the consciousness of everybody,

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and the archaeotypes, it's been long
kind of disproven, so It's like anybody

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who's going to quote young that goes
back that far to find a scientist or

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somebody who's you know, a valid
in some field. You know, it's

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like like we always run into the
problem people going back to Darwin for evolution.

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We've come a long, long,
right way. I mean, you

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have a bishop making an argument against
social media and using somebody who's been dead

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for I don't know sixty years.
You kind of run into an issue right

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of legitimacy. And that is a
great point. And you know, Richard

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had some other points. Richard,
you have some thoughts about the demeaning of

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women in scripture by the church,
the massive wealth increase. How are these

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things exacerbating by other means, you
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They're clearly studies right now that show
a lot of young people are not

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looking toward a very bright future because
they've got so much college debt, they've

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got problems with, you know,
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be move them up. You know, the whole paradigm before was were your

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kids going to have a better life
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I did economically at least. I
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of other factors, but with regard
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I just want to point out a
little bit of worldview. You know,

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they do these studies every year or
two. I don't know if it's a

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un or some other group that does
it about happiness index. The happy the

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happiest countries are the least religious countries. Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland,

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Amsterdam, you know, Holland,
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are yeah, we or most of
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think in the last one we fell
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we are one of the of the
of the industrialized nations, we are the

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most religious. So you know,
those kinds of things show you a lot

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in terms of what really worked in
a social environment, as opposed to some

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guy who's spent most of his life
studying theology, which which some people say

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shouldn't even be a subject because it's
about nothing. Yeah, I would tend

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to agree. I think this article
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this Catholic bishop having an opinion on
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But the kind of threads the fabrics
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is a little bits misguided, you
know, it's it's misdirected. Scott.

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I wanted to get your take.
You know, we talked a lot,

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We talked a lot about of different
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specifically, what did you think about
the article overall? I mean any were

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there any points that made any sense? Or was this whole thing just ridiculous?

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I mean there was there was a
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he mentioned some actual studies, but
other than that, it was just it

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just seemed like it was just rhetoric, and you know he was just trying

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to uh, you know, kind
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And you know, we mentioned how
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until the end, even though that
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right at the top of the headline, and so you know, it was

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uh, he was definitely reaching uh
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so uh, I mean, you
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post, and so you know,
he's entitled to his opinion. He's entitled

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to share his opinion, but you
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of worthwhile information or even sharing any
worthwhile information with his uh, with his

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readers. I think it was just
an utter failure. Uh. Quick comment

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on the Jordan Peterson comment. Uh, Jordan. He quoted Jordan Peterson who

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said there is no technical difference between
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I think that to us, to
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com comment on Jordan Peter Peterson's frame
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want to ask, Jordan, are
you okay? And you know it is

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there something we can do for you
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uh, it was just vacuous and
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school yard name calling is really all
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you know, Jonathan, I I
did cut you off before when you

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started talking about Jordan Peterson, uh, you know, trying to keep things

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on topic. But now we're back
and I wanted to just kind of let

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you continue your thought. Uh that
I saw abruptly kind of shifted gears on.

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No, No, that's fine.
I think that the comment about yourself

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and being miserable, thinking about yourself
and being miserable or so centeredness, I

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guess what he was thinking, if
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You probably have deeper issue than just
the thought that you were told you

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were ugly and your breast stinks by
the middle school bully. You know,

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it's like, you know, it's
just such an absolute red hairing in a

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sense to try and blame something on
something that's not even related. You know.

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So you know, if you think
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yourself in a positive light, that's
good for your self esteem and causes good

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things to happen. So if you
you know, it doesn't have anything to

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do with misery necessarily, it's it's
just a separate thing. So I just

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find that is absolutely disingenuous in a
way. Richard, we talked about some

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Oh go ahead, Richard, I
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to throw out there. Number one, Scott brought this up a little bit,

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but I want to amplify it.
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little thought. But you know,
you talked about the way this thing was

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done. This was a classic example
of a manipulation article where they put they

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use the theory of primacy. What
you've put out first has the most impact,

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so they throw in the thing they
hate the most. Then they don't

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talk about it, and they bring
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they bring it back again. This
was you know, if this guy was

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in an English class somewhere I'm getting
graded for right, he would have got

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an F. I mean it was
terrible. It was. It was totally

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manipulative. Now one final thought in
the theme of what we're here about.

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What there's a lot of correlation between
people's self esteem and depression. People with

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good self esteem don't find themselves depressed
very often. Okay, this is a

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reality. What is one of the
fundamental principles of Catholicism that causes a lack

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of self esteem? Original sin?
You're bad from the beginning, so you

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know you have to grow up with
that if you're really indoctrinated into that,

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and you're not going to feel good
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know, supposed meeting with Jesus or
something. But that's the kuy that goes

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back to what Scott said before too. They throw all this stuff out there,

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but they don't deal with their own
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that note, you know, this
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fix to some kind of depression.
Yet we don't see any depression being fixed

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within the church itself, So why
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that even be attractive to skeptics or
atheists at all? In any case, U