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Hello, Welcome. This is Kerry
Anne and you're listening to Seventh Sanctum and

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this evening I am being joined by
my normal co host Natalie. Hello,

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and we have a really special guest. This evening, we are being joined

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by Neil's Story. Welcome Neil.
Hello, lovely to meet you. Carrie

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and Natalie, thank you, Thank
you for having me on the show.

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Thank you for joining us. I'm
really excited to speak to you. Actually,

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there's lots, lots and lots.
As I said previously, I've been

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cyber following you for a long time
and I really enjoy the adventures you go

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on and the places you go,
and lots of You're an author, you're

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a TV personality. There's so much
historian. But I've been really lucky.

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You know that for most of my
life I've been able to scrape a living

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doing what I love to do.
The books of all things that have interested

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me, and many of them continue
to interest me to this day. So

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I'm a very, very lucky man. And I've met some incredible people along

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the way. That's the one thing
I love about. Obviously, I can

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only speak in the context of the
paranormal. The one thing I love about

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the community, is the variety of
people that we come across, the variety

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of interests, the conversations that we
have that are really really quite out there,

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quite literally sometimes licks to the sky. So that's one thing I really

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enjoy is meeting the people. So
can you tell us a little bit about

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all those listening, a little bit
about you and how you've got to where

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you are right now? Yes,
Well, my name is Neil's story.

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I've written I think it's over fifty
books now from a paranormal point of view.

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I'm a historian by trade. That's
my pre and post grad University of

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East Anglia, and I always loved
social history. The story of people.

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That always fascinated me because history it
can be kings and queens and battles,

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but you know, really it's the
people that were living those lives and fighting

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those battles. They are the ones
that have always interested me. I grew

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up in the County of Norfolk.
It's a beautiful place to grow up.

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I had a loving, loving family
around me, but my mum had to

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work away a lot and my dad
wasn't around, which was pretty tough for

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a kid in the seven But I
had wonderful grandparents, and it meant that

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I knew most of their brothers and
sisters and their friends. It was a

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very different generation. So I guess
I kind of grew up unconsciously being a

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historian because I was listening to their
stories and really enjoying them. But as

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I got a little bit older into
my teens, I began to think,

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when they go, When these folks
go, those stories can be gone forever.

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Very few of them wrote their memoiles
down. These are people who worked

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with horses. They knew the country
ways, they knew the way my hometown,

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the way it used to look,
different shops, different businesses, the

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way we were, And I thought, do you know? So I started

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writing local history books. Then I
was asked, well, what can you

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write about Norfolk? So I wrote
books about my county Regiment, the Royal

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Norfolk Regiment that my family served in
in two World Wars. And then I

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started writing books about knowledge and Norfolk
at work and the coast that I love.

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We're not far from the coast.
I grew up in North Walsham and

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where it's not far from the North
Norfolk coast. I got cycle very easily.

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When I was a kid with friends
and stuff, so I've always known

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it. I've got distant family that
are kind of sharing them and chrome away.

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It is beautiful. It's this dream
of poppy land that they used to

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have, and occasionally you will see
the fields filled with poppies. It's a

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beautiful place. But it's also a
place that is filled with myth and legend.

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So mixed with this social history can
be fun it because there's some great

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stories and some great stories of humanity, of ordinary people working together in adversity

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of flood, being bombed in two
World wars, serving together not just with

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the military abroad but on the home
front, helping the neighbors. So it's

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really powerful stories. But amongst all
of that, people would like to share

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stories of ghosts or the haunted house, and stories like the they say,

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And this curious young man always wanted
to know, well, if they say

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that, why, why is it
haunted? Is there any truth in it?

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So for as long as I can
remember, I've been interested in ghosts,

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and I conducted my first ghost hunt
in nineteen eighty eight. And I

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expect both of you ladies were not
even born then, giving it away,

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Natalie, Come on, no,
I was I was like, I don't

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know, said twelve then twelve in
eight Yeah, you weren't much younger than

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I was. Yeah, I like
that. I can't do maths on the

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floor, give it away. Look
literally need some mystique nets. Some say

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I was around that age, mis
legends have it. Absolutely absolutely, and

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that was would you like to tell
you about my first ever ghost hunt?

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I was at college still, so
I'm no great expert, but there were

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a few of us interested in the
paranormal. There were no shows in those

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days, like most haunted or helped
my house if nothing, very occasionally there

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might be a special on TV.
Nothing, So we just had really books

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on ghosts, some of them quite
old ones by people that went with day.

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They were very good, Dennis Barden's
Peter Underwood. We read Peter Underwood.

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But the book that really really worked
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Come on, I couldn't know it. You know it, it's on h

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and it was. It was pictorially
beautifully. They've recently reprinted it because I

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dare say there's quite a lot of
us of this generation that want to hand

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that onto our kids. If you
haven't seen it, Carrie, check it

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out. It will change your life. And it's got there's methods of the

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day. You know this would be
in the eighties, you know it's but

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there's all sorts of There's photographs in
there that frightened the life out of me.

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There's one that was taken in Ipswich. I'll never forget this one.

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It's a it's a car and they
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to take a photograph of the woman's
mother. Sadly she had passed away,

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and they went to put flowers on
her grave. They'd got photographs of there

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and they needed to use the film
app So there's the husband in the car

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sort of looking out the window and
missus click finishes that developed the film and

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guess who's sat on the back seat, Yeah, late mother, and you

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can see through her. Tell you
tell you. There's the picture of Newby

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Church as well, which has got
something like a seven foot monk like figure

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with a warped face that looks like
the scream. He's all in a cowl.

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That was you got it, And
they frightened the devil out of me

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when I was a kid. When
I was my mom had to take the

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book off men hide it. I
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I was anyway, So with all
of that in mind, we used to

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at college, which we tried to
do sense or ghost hunting. In those

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days. If you had a video
camera, well, this was the sort

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of thing you get on the prices, right, okay with Leslie Crowner in

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those days that or you know,
this is Sail of the Century territory with

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Nicholas Parsons. Yeah, you can
get a video cassette recorder, right and

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a camera. That's great. The
camera looks like something that newsmen used to

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use, you know, right,
the side press a clunky button, tunk,

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the side pops open and you put
in a cassette the size of a

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brick. Nice. Yeah, it's
so compact, it's like it's easy.

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So we've got this bloomin great big
thing that we borrowed from college. A

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few other bits and pieces, any
electronic thermometer. I don't know what.

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I we just tried to look professional, I don't know. And we these

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two girls, they're nice girls.
They were doing in the in the beauty

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and hair part of the college at
great yarm of College of Further Education on

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South n Railroad and one of the
girls trying in the library one day,

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she said, you wannatants, aren't
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she had fun. You're one of
those girls. I said, yeah,

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yeah, and she said, we
are places haunted, and I thought,

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whoa, whoa, whoa lady.
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don't, don't tell them make it. No, no, genuinely, and

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if she was frightened, she was
frightened by what was going on in her

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house. So we did. We
went along with the big clunky video came

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and set it up. They're in
a terraced house in great Yarmoor, one

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of those typical you know, two
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through the two front rooms, through
the kitchen to the bathroom at the back,

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you know the sort. And we
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all night there was nothing. The
girls had talked about some sort of figure

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when they sat in that room.
They're not the owners, they only rented

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it. And the owners had knocked
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room, so it's a big room. They'd been the front bit watching Telly

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and something would walk behind them,
you know, because the back part of

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the room would be in darkness.
What's that. And one night one of

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the girls, she was with her
boyfriend and she was in she was downstairs

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with him. I think they were
getting close. If I want to say

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that, you know, this is
a family show. You know we post

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watershed. No it's not. I
can't say the adults will know. Right,

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they were just going to be playing
connect for something like that, right,

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are saying that? And they were
they were getting or getting jiggy with

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it. You know, who knows? Who knows? You know, I

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don't don't defame people, but it
was it was close. And can you

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imagine this? You got a low
light on pop that out, you know,

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getting a bit close and and you
know it's dark, it's atmospheric,

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and you're getting close with each other, and then suddenly you feel that you're

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being watched. How would you feel
you actually think there's someone in the room

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watching you. And she was so
freaked out she kind of pushed a boyfriend

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of the side and in front of
the window. Now the window there's street

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lights, so there's a certain glow
that comes through the curtains. There was

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a cowled figure that looked a bit
like a monk there and it was only

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there did throw my boyfriend across the
room and ran, I think that's pretty

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much what happened. I think there
was a you know, it wasn't a

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magic moment, should I say,
And it freaked these girls out, you

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know, and what you're terrifying and
that she said that the thing was like,

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you know, somebody take us a
photograph with a flash, you get

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like a something in your eye.
You see it, but you can't see

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it, and then it's gone.
And that's what this figure was like,

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absolutely frightening. So we were in
that front room all night and we didn't

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get anything apart from a round about
early hours of the morning, after midnight.

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Now admittedly that time of the day
temperatures can drop, we all know

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that. But the temperature really dropped
and all the electrics in the front half

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of the room cut. Now we
could hear and see that the fridge freezer

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in the kitchen was still buzzing away
and see the green light on it,

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So what's going on there? And
then there was no atmosphere, just very

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very cold, and everything slowly came
back on again, and I've never seen

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that since or before. The electric
and the digital displays like the electric slowly

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came back on the digital thermometer that
the manual one that really clanged down or

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anyway, nothing more than that.
So we go out the building in the

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morning. We've got the big clunky
tripart and the video record and all that

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stuff, and we just stood the
boxes outside and you had to slam the

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door in a Yale lock, so
you give it a bit of a bang,

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and inside there was a there was
a bang from inside. Now the

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girls had a dressmaking dummy in the
dining room area, and we thought,

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oh bum yeah, that's that's fallen
over. Sounded like a clunk. So

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I go in, My mate goes
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Now sadly, carry and Natalie.
You know what it's like to be

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in a room where maybe you've had
a disagreement with somebody and you walk back

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in and there's a bit of an
atmosphere, you know that don't like everybody

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does if we're really honest, And
that's what that room elt. One.

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It felt like there was a row
going on and I've got to go in

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and apologize and woaoa, what's going
on here? And I look and there's

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nothing that the dressmakers dounmy still standing
there it's daylight, so it's fairly early

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morning, about nine o'clock or something
like that. Nothing going on, and

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I just left the room think,
thinking that this feels odd. And for

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some reason, the door that i'd
come through, the lounge door, was

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flat against the wall. And you
know these ones, they're the kind of

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fiber doors. They've got like that
faux wood either side and it's got like

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cardboarding between them, you know,
the saw typical for student accommodation in those

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days. And I thought, mah, and I just looked behind the door,

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and behind that door, stuck into
it was a pair of dressmaking scissors

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whoa well like as in they've been
stabbed into the door, and at that

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moment they weren't there. I mean, we've been in that room all together

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all that night, and when I
actually looked from the other side, you

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could see that the end of the
scissors had actually come through the other panel

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on the door. It's been a
hell of a throw or to punch out

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through. And at that moment,
that was the moment when I realized that

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the paranorl does exist and front of
life. It was very because there was

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nothing haunting around it. It just
happened. Yeah, that's some initiation.

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And a few years later I was
helping with an exhibition at great Yarmouth Museums

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at the Elizabethan House, and it
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and they had several there because it
was quite an important port town in

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the Middle Ages. And we were
doing overlays of the current streets over the

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sights of the old monasteries that are
now long gone. Some of there's ruins,

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others that they're built on. We
did overlay and I just, do

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you know, there's something that rang
in the back of my mind, that

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terraced house, and I located it
on the map and it's built on a

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monastic burial ground. You couldn't write
it. I tell you, you could

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not write this stuff. So that's
why they weren't happy about nocturnal activities.

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She again, no names, no
pack drill. Oh that's scary. Yeah,

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and that so did that be your
first ever experience that didn't shine you

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away from it? Now, I'm
very fortunate that I come from a very

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very long line and the female line
of my grandmother's family were midwives and had

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been for generations in the little village
called Whiton. It's on the north Norfolk

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coast, not far from Wells and
my great grannie's mum, she was known

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as the mother of White and she
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of the traditional midwives because she actually
trained to be a proper qualified midwife.

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Before that, it was just handed
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She had a skill as well,
or she had several magical skills. She

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was a sineata. Now if you've
heard of the singer sineta, that's not

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the same thing, right, This
is a sin eater. And in the

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days when they used to lay people
out in the front of their cottage or

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their home when they're dead, they
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they'd put a little dish on their
chest and they put some salt in it

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through that night, the first night
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the morning, my great grannie mum
would come along and dip bread into it

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and eat the salt. And she's
taking the sins away, but they won't

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affect her because they're not her sins, but she takes them away, and

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that they would pay for the sin
eater to take that away. But she

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had she had the ability. She
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the ability to kind of scribe the
future and mediumship as well. So she

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knew the art of bell, book
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Women often have the strongest affinity and
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if you think about it, here's
a funny thing. If you think about

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DNA, it goes down the female
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think that's interesting that the magical skills
are often passed through. So if I'm

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demonstrating these methods and I hand,
I'll show the candles, and you have

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a Bible yes and no no,
and a key on a ribbon. We

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don't use pendulum. If you got
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get burnt as a witch. That's
witch equipment. It's all traditional, and

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I'll demonstrate it will get some results. But you put that in a hand

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of a woman or a young girl. If it girls in their teens,

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do it sensibly, do it respectfully. Don't try and afford it because you

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can't. You can't affward this.
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on a ribbon, if you move
your hand, you'll see and when you

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really do see this key scrining or
divination. Well, it's got various names

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because it's a real old country practice. When you see it, it's rather

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like when people used to put a
wedding ring on a ribbon or a chain

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to divine the sex of a child, for example. But this is good

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divination, and when you see it, you'll get to recognize when, for

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example, a child touches the ki
because the movement is very very gentle.

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If a woman touches the key,
it's often a lot more gentle than if

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you've got a male spirit. That's
really interesting and you'd see a hand moving.

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But this and you hold you hold
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so that's part of the old I
try and teach people they've got to be

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respectful. They must never ever misuse
it. But the old methods are really

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rather good worth learning. We do
have the key as if it was a

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pendulum or do you hold it?
Different because obviously it's a thing swinging.

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Do you swing? Does it swing
or does it just move when somebody touches

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it. Is that the difference between
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They can work like a pendulum in
that they will. If the answer

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is uncertain, they may spin round
and round, but in the main it

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will swing with quite a definite that
you keep your hand still. There's a

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certain way to wrap the ribbon around
your fingers so that the tail of the

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ribbon is tucked inside your hand and
you have your arms that kind of a

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rest the elbow on the table.
Then there'll be a few inches of ribbon

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then your key, and the key
moves. It doesn't tend to spin very

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much. It will and you'll have
one card that says yes, one that

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says no, either side of the
Bible, and it will go one way

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or the other. Really good to
see that in action. I hope you'll

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get a chance to see it.
I won't I won't name any names,

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but quite a well known personality on
one of the regular YouTube channels had to

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go recently and it reduced him to
tears. Wow. I mean that because

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he was contacting two children that I
can't say too much more, but they

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were two children contacted, and he's
a guy a little bit older than me,

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successful guy, and I have to
say we were all touched because we

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were all dads in that room and
we know what it is Lord knows if

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we'd had a lady or a woman
to channel Wow, who knows? Because

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it was powerful that night, really
really powerful. But there are just three

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geezers working on it. So when
we talk about channeling, you've made reference

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to that. And obviously the bell
candle and bell book and candle yes candle.

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Sorry, these methods are much more
traditional than what we're seeing in paranormal

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investigation today. We've made leaps and
bounds compared to the traditional methods. So

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when we look at the traditional methods, and obviously in your research that you've

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done, where what are you leaned
more towards? How do you feel about

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using the more modern kind of instruments
equipment box or SLS and e v P.

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Well, I mean, everybody is
entitled to work in a way that

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they wish to work, and I
do respect that. Yeah, but but

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I believe and if you watch Good
Practice and my good friend Dave Schrader and

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Cindy Kayser lovely lovely people in the
holes of files, they I think it's

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an exemplar of a show to really
show you how to conduct an investigation.

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And the baseline is pure. The
baseline has Dave and Cindy and of course

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Shane Pittman's there were a lovely,
lovely guy showing, but Dave and Cindy

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go in as a pair and they
just use her abilities. Now, I

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say to everybody listening, but if
you want to be a skeptic, well

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that's fine. But I don't think
that's always very helpful in an investigation.

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I really don't. There are times
to look at proving, and I think

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most good people involved in paranormal research
police themselves. They don't want people throwing

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stones, kicking a table or whatever. You know, we don't want any

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tampering. And to be honest with
you, it's not helpful. I say,

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go in pure use it. You
know, if you don't exercise,

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your muscles will die, they will, they will frizzle up to nothing,

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you know, and the so will
your psychic muscles. We're all born with

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a certain amount of gift, a
lot of it's knocked out a bit when

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young, or don't talk about that, don't think about that, but don't

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lose those gifts. And I think
there's a lot to be said even if

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if we've all got some sort of
sense, haven't we that you can sense

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if there's it's animalistic. Is their
danger around? You can just got it

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sense places you're not always very confident
about being around. So I say go

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in pure, even if it's just
to sit in a chair, can be

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a group of you. Don't mess
about. There's all sad down. Don't

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mess about, lady, don't mess
about. Take it seriously, be quiet

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and sense. Perhaps then you can
hear it. Has it got clicks and

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groans? Do the board's creek?
What's the weather like outside? What all

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these Has it got a clank?
You old heating system. Just get used

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to those sounds. And I think
that will build your courage as a ghost

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hunt her and a ghost hunting team
too, so that when you hear that

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suddn pin, it's not going to
make you all jump out of your skins.

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Do your baseline. Do it pure
then, I personally, I just

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used the old methods. And it
doesn't always have to be a communication device,

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just by sitting there quietly. I
don't use anything that has a I

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don't like any mobile phones really if
I can help it, because they give

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off a frequency. Explain to the
spirits what you're doing. Speak to them,

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you know, don't be afraid just
say look this box is This is

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a camera. It's got a little
red light on it. There's nothing magical

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about that. You know. If
you are the person to reach that woman

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who was executors as a witch hundreds
of years ago and she sees that,

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she's going to think that you are
some sort of magicianal witch yourself, and

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maybe she was just accused of it
and she never was a witch. You

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know, it's going to freak people
out, so anything. And that's the

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noise that some of these things make. It sounds like a steam engine.

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Oh, for God's sake, just
turn the darn thing off. What are

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you getting hardly a voice? You
know, Just just leave it alone,

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That's what I say. You know, or do that when we've actually had

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a baseline which is quite pure and
electronic free and in my experience, the

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results that you can get on a
camera that's just an ordinary Digiti camera is

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well, I've been astonished by what
I've seen at times that's really interesting.

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I know. I think we've all
got places where we really want to go

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and investigate and things that we really
love to do. And one of my

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dream dream things is to conduct an
investigation in line with Harry Price like the

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very basic investigative skills that he would. I know it's very controversial. Harry

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Price is very controversial, but a
lot of the investigative tools that we use

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now are kind of a little bit
built the foundations there. So actually being

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able to conduct a old school Harry
Price kit investigation would be a dream.

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Is up there with my top thing
to do. I've been wanting to do

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it for years, so I'm hoping
this year or next that's something I'm going

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to be able to do because we
don't see enough of it. We don't

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see and they always say to look
forward, you always have to look back.

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So we how far we've come in
terms of our menage, Why do

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we use the things we do now? What do we have to look for?

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Why do we look for those things? And a lot of that is

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explained when you look at the methods
that he used. So absolutely that's something

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I concur very much. So just
take it steady, you know. And

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if you listeners don't know about Harry
Price, he investigated a number of hauntings,

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most famously Bally Rectory that burnt down, And yes, he is controversial,

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but the methods that he was expounded
are very good. You know,

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it's the basis of all modern ghostanding
in many many ways. Was he a

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scoundrel? I would I wouldn't say
that. I think he was a person

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that really wanted people to believe.
How far he would take that, now

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that's questionable. But we do see
this now though in modern day we see

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people, oh god, don't you
iss and they just really get to a

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point. I mean some of his
cases I absolutely loved, and you can

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see you can see in the cases
where there was problems there. But again,

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if you just take it down to
the bare bones of his investigative skills,

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then yeah, absolutely, it's something
that I would love. I would

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love to do and you'll even better
if we could do it in somewhere that

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is relevant. Yeah, yeah,
why do you you know if you're down

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in Essex Way, in Suffolk Way, there are locations there that have associations,

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and of course in Norfolk too,
lovely many lovely historic places. So

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yes, I think anything is possible. In fact, I've worked professionally on

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two programs now in Colchester, okay, I found the folks at the George

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Hotel very very welcoming, noted,
very nice people there, and the place

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has activity as does Yeah, there's
in fact, yeah, we shall keep

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it between us. We won't tell
everybody, but in Norfolk, Suffolk and

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Essex. Yeah, well that's my
turf. It's your manner. We'll have

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to import Natalie get a passports.
Trains do run, they do run from

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the Midlands to you know, East
angli Ar. It's quite a modern thing.

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I know. It will mean you
will probably have to go through Peterborough,

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which is probably one of the most
toilets like railway stations I've ever known.

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It's utterly characterists. Yes, Peterborough
is a strange place. I worked

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there for not the town but the
station. You know, it's got cathedral.

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We've handed ghosts there. It's on
devil in disguise and help my house

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is haunted, one of my most
infamous cases that I've ever worked on.

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With the team there, that's great. But the station, oh it's still

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no, no, no, no, it could could do better. You

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know, your stars do not recommend, do not no, no, do

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not recommend, or should I say, could do better for presentation you know

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a little bit more comfortable, but
a little bit more welcoming, you know,

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I don't know staff in the shops
are nice. I regularly have to

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go through there because if you come
from East Anglia, it's the hub,

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and you think if you've got a
hub, you can do a little bit

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better. The people, the staff
and staff normally very helpful in the shops

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and stuff. But anyhow, that's
travel. That's boring. That come on,

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let's talk ghosts. Well, actually
I was obviously having a little bit

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of a read up and I've noticed
that you're doing. I think you've published

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it now, the bram Stoker.
Yes, absolutely, yeah. So last

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year November I managed to go Romania. I went book Arrest. Did you

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want to the castle? Which is
really really small and really high up,

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so if you're claustrophobic and scared of
heights, it's not always the one.

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But it was beautiful, absolutely stunning, and the history there we obviously we

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had a tour and Vladimhala, who
is an actual they worship him over there,

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the things that he did for Romania. But yeah, so I'm I'm

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I'm really interested in brown Stoka.
It's a beautiful country. It deserves a

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visit. Beautiful, Yes, it
is absolutely. Ramstoker never went there,

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Yes I did. He used travel
guides and books and a wonderful guide to

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the Superstitions of Transylvania written by a
certain Easier Ard. Now it's quite a

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posh. It's called the nineteenth century
An. It was a periodical review full

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of all sorts of articles and arts
and literature and travel. And E.

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Gerard read about the Transylvanian superstitions that
Brand drew upon. But I don't think

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everybody that read that article that Brand
new. But a lot of people wouldn't

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realize that E stood for Emily.
So Emily Gerard was one of the inspirations

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for the Dracula story. Amazing.
And Bram had his vision of Dracula's castle

407
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:37,440
from way back in his first ever
fiction book, which is called Under the

408
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,800
Sunset, And there's a picture in
a story. There's beautiful. It's this

409
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,840
castle that's got like a skull built
into it as part of the features.

410
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:51,480
Brilliant. And then he went to
Edinburgh Castle he stayed opposite. Then if

411
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:53,920
you ever go to Edinburgh and you
stay on the Princess Street in the view

412
00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:00,119
that Bram had across there, and
you see this rambling castle atop a stone,

413
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:02,960
a huge stone in the center of
ed But that's one of the influencers.

414
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,599
And Slains which is on the on
the coast of Scotland. Slains Castle

415
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:14,320
that was the the earls of Errol
and Bram used to He even stayed there.

416
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,159
I proved that he stayed there.
I found letters, So yes,

417
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,920
his influences are a little different.
And you might also know I don't know,

418
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,400
but there is no mention of Vlad
Tepesh in any of the notes or

419
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:37,800
Dracula Romanian tourist board really hate me, but there's no mention. Bram found

420
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,199
the name. He found the name
Dracula. It's not even Vlad dracorl It's

421
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,000
Dracula. It's in Wilkinson's Guide to
Wallakia in Transylvania, and he was on

422
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:55,159
holiday in Whitby and he had seen
the wreck of the it's called the Dmitri.

423
00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:01,599
In reality Bram changed the name to
them. But he saw the wreck

424
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:06,079
of the Demetrian and Brams sort of
thought, oh, yes, well,

425
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,760
that that's from Afar, and he
wanted to learn more about Varna, so

426
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,239
that's why he went to the library. And his notes are quite clear that

427
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,320
he found this particular page in Wilkinson's
Guide to Wallakia and there's Dracula. Before

428
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,920
that the book was going to be
called Count Whampire and the Undead, not

429
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:32,800
quite the same. Ring Ram loved
language and pronunciations and colloquialisms. He would

430
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:40,280
have been told it was Count Vampire
because on the continent Germany, Austro Hungarian

431
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Empire, the w is a V
like a Berks bargain. You know,

432
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:54,760
you get the idea. So he
Count Whampire. I think that had probably

433
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,360
come from Arminius vanbrie who was the
He was at Budapest University. Gets a

434
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:06,280
plug in in Dracula as our friend
Arminius. He's mentioned by Van Helsing and

435
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:13,039
the two Arminius Vanburriy and Bram were
known to have had a wonderful night at

436
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:17,639
the Beef Steak Club, which is
a little dining room attached to the Lyceum

437
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,280
Theater where Brown was acting manager.
Greatest theater in its day in London.

438
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:29,079
Absolutely high brow. Sir Henry Irving, first actor to get a knighthood.

439
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,840
He was the boss, the chief, and they had these wonderful dinners of

440
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,840
explorers and royalty and the wealthy,
the influential. They all went there and

441
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:45,119
he spoke to Vanbury. I bet
that was Vanbury that gave him Wampire the

442
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:51,320
dy but I bet Brown never really
deep down. It's a working title and

443
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,639
he was looking through Wilkinson's Guide to
Alake it there it was on whatever page

444
00:37:54,679 --> 00:38:00,159
it was, And we know the
page because it's Ram's notes Dracula. He

445
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:05,280
writes it and he underlines it.
And if you put Dracula on your lips

446
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,840
and your tongue or it kind of
snaps, it cracks, It's rolls around

447
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,440
the towne fabulous. And in the
end it's not even Dracula in the Undead.

448
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:19,760
It's just Dracula. And it's quite
a gamble because nobody would have known

449
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,880
what the Dracula a Dracula was when
the book was first published in eighteen ninety

450
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:31,639
seven. It's really interesting, good, very eclectic in his sources, then,

451
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,280
isn't he like, you know,
just like whatever's around him catches his

452
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,480
attention and he just weaves everything in. It's quite quite interesting, like the

453
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:45,119
creative process of it as well.
The fact that that was fabulous that people

454
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,800
you enabled him, he could have
traveled, you know, he was the

455
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,599
first man and with the Lyceum Company
on tour, he was the first man

456
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:59,000
to write a modern travelogue of America. It's called a Glimpse of America.

457
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:02,960
It's very very well regarded in this
fledgling modern country. You know, part

458
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,840
of America still got the American West
going on there. You know, in

459
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,599
the eighteen eighties eighteen nineties, when
he was exploring an incredible man. I

460
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:20,920
greatly admired Bran I think his He
was just fascinated in just about everything,

461
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,119
even in even science. He loved
science, but there would always be a

462
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:29,239
dark edge to it. So he
used to correspond with Sir Oliver Lodge.

463
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,079
They were in some early members of
the Society of Psychic Research, and Brand

464
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:39,719
and Lodge used to sort of discuss
the power of the mind. Brad wanted

465
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,719
to know was it. Well,
if you think about in Dracula, the

466
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,639
power that Dracula had was over the
beasts of the night, but also over

467
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:53,320
Renfield, who's hundreds of miles away, but the Master has control of his

468
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:59,960
mind. So like that. But
also Bram wanted to really take that further,

469
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:07,280
that could you kill could you kill
just by the power of the mind.

470
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,360
And he explored that in his last
book, The Layer of the White

471
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:16,400
Worm, which is a real crazy
book worth a read. I heard of

472
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:22,480
it. Check it out. It's
a cracker. My my, My must

473
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:30,800
read pile was getting bigger and bigger
after this Dirty Lady. That's what I

474
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,000
say, get amongst it, lots
of time, work to do. I

475
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,039
love that, I love I love
yeah, I love anything that's kind of

476
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,599
gives a different perspective or understanding of
what we know. So absolutely I love

477
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:49,199
that. So talking about traveling and
going all over the place we've brown and

478
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,639
the places he didn't go and the
places he did go, is there a

479
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,320
this is a two parts it's an
evil or so is there a place that

480
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:06,320
you wear that really resonates or is
there a story or a person that has

481
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:13,440
kind of stayed with you through your
research, your paranormal research. Oh wow,

482
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,119
wow, that's a very very good
question. I think it's both.

483
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:27,480
I think that certainly the experience that
we had on our first ghost and that's

484
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,800
stuck with me. Stories, yes, without a doubt. Story of the

485
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:39,800
Fair Penitent. It's a play by
Nicholas Rowe. It's an eighteenth century play

486
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:47,239
really, and it was performed in
my hometown in North Walsham. It's done

487
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,119
very very well in London. A
woman by the name of Elizabeth Barry was

488
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:55,119
the main actress in that she'd been
born in the town, came from a

489
00:41:55,199 --> 00:42:02,159
wealthy family. She married an absolutely
horrible man. He was very unkind to,

490
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,119
used to beat her up and stuff
dreadful. She tried to hide the

491
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:09,159
bruises and study. He was a
violent, nasty piece of work, but

492
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:19,760
he had money, you know that. Anyway, One day he just disappeared

493
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,960
and people thought he'd gone to London, run off with another woman or whatever.

494
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,119
And in all in good time,
this young girl goes to London herself,

495
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,519
not to seek him out, but
she goes onto the stage and she

496
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,480
marries. She becomes missus Barry,
and she does well, gets a very

497
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,000
good reputation, and in later life
she moves back to the family home,

498
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:49,960
which she christens and she expands it. It's called Hamlet House, quite right,

499
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,079
you know, it's a bit of
a bit of a Shakespeare connection.

500
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:58,519
And she revives the play in Billy
Scragg's Barn of Entertainments because they weren't allowed

501
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:00,960
to have a theater in those days, so they had to really convert barnes.

502
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,679
It was quite nice. Can imagine
there's no smell of animals in there.

503
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:12,639
Anymore, it's got seats, it's
got a bit of limelight, you

504
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:16,840
know, it's got an atmosphere of
a country theater. Now by this time,

505
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,239
she's a mature ladies in those days, if you're fifty. That was

506
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:28,199
old bones, wasn't it, back
in the eighteenth century, And she,

507
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,960
in her youth had played this quite
young, coquettish girl, and that the

508
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,079
people in the town. Can she
really carry off? Callista the character in

509
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:45,280
the fair Penitent On the night she
had the figure of a young girl.

510
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,760
She had the makeup and the lighting
was really good, and everybody believed the

511
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:57,079
role was fantastic. But there's a
scene where she has to place her hand

512
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:04,039
upon a human skull and deliver a
speech. There'd been a storm brewing outside

513
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,000
all that night, and when she
placed her hand upon that skull, the

514
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:13,599
storm broke, and not only did
it lash down with rain, but the

515
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:19,199
thunder and lightning added drama to it. That moment, and it's her hands

516
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,760
on the top of the skull,
there's a flash of lightning and the whole

517
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,719
room is bathed for that moment.
That definitely pale light and her face is

518
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:35,679
a mask of terror. She slumps
onto the stage She's dead within forty eight

519
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,840
hours, and they try to find
out why, what could have caused this,

520
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,079
And they find in the top of
the skull is a shard of metal.

521
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,519
And they asked the old grave digger
in the town, and this is

522
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:53,920
all attested. It's a known story. Whose skull is that? Oh,

523
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,239
I don't know. He said,
no, it's unfortunate. But when he

524
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,079
died, it was coming up to
die and to testimony and what had happened

525
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:08,599
many years ago. He was a
young grave digger. The family, the

526
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,679
woman who became Elizabeth Barry, had
come to him say he need you to

527
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,159
bury someone. We're going to pay
you a lot of money. You know,

528
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,840
that old swine used to attack that
poor girl. And all she had

529
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,159
done was one day, when he
was really laying into her, she had

530
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,599
just wanted to fend him off with
a piece of wood and she hit him

531
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:29,960
with it. But the trouble would
was the piece of wood had a bit

532
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,119
of metal embedded in it and it
poleaxed him. And so they buried him

533
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,039
deep in a grave and put another
burial on top. When the grave digger

534
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:43,159
was becoming an old man, he
wanted to go. He has he helped

535
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,480
hide a crime. So he dug
out that skull that went on the stage,

536
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,519
and that killed missus barry Stone dead
the shock of seeing that, and

537
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,440
her ghost walked, her ghost walked
down by him that house. Nobody lived

538
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,239
in that house beyond that And when
that burnt down in the nineteen seventy and

539
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,639
I've known some of the farmer they
were there. There was a figure of

540
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:07,480
a woman seen in one of the
windows and the lad was melting on the

541
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,079
roof of the house. They put
a ladder up to come and get her,

542
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:15,159
and she wouldn't come. This figure
just disappeared into the smoke. And

543
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,119
they thought, when they clear they
will rubble, I'll find a body.

544
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:23,119
There's no one ever found. But
where they built the close of houses,

545
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:30,239
now they'll hear the voice of a
woman rehearsing lines over the hedgerows. Wow,

546
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,079
that's mental. Could you imagine on
the night though, watching that on

547
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:40,679
the seeing it on the stage.
I'll tell you did. About ten years

548
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:46,639
ago we reconstructed it. We used
kids from my old high school, North

549
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:51,679
Walsham High School. There you go. I was headboard many moons ago,

550
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,559
and I've never lost touch with my
old school and I've always believed give kids

551
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,320
a chance, even if you get
a chance to do a good project,

552
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,480
and that they had some money.
They said, what we're going to we're

553
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:05,039
going to do. We want to
do something special for the community for play.

554
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:07,320
And I said, right, we're
going to restage the fair Penitent.

555
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:14,199
Now the old theater's gone. So
we staged that in that church with the

556
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,360
churchyard where the skull was found all
around us. Wow, I tell you.

557
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,880
And when we had that scene,
and we had a very talented young

558
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,920
girl, she was she would have
been what's sixteen years old. Of course

559
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,760
kids are taller nowadays, aren't they. We've got eighteenth century style costumes.

560
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,400
You know. They looked the business, these kids, and she did the

561
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:43,480
missus Barry, and my god,
you never felt any because we're all wearing

562
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:47,159
breeches and periods stock you know,
like a like a long stock they call

563
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:53,519
them beaches and stockings. And our
ankles were all cold because a cold draft

564
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:59,840
went through the lower part of that
church. I kid you not, I

565
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:05,559
kid you not. My surname is
story. I looked down and the gravestone

566
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:07,559
that I was standing on when there
was ones in the church floor. That's

567
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:12,440
a story. That's one of my
ancestors that I've never noticed it. Oh

568
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,840
wow, you talk about and you
can see it. It's there to this

569
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,400
day, and I can show you
the spot there it is. It's an

570
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,840
eighteenth century grave to one of my
ancestors that would have been around in the

571
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,559
town at that time. The whole
synchronicity of all of these events, yeah,

572
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:30,840
absolutely incredible. And a lot of
the kids I work with them,

573
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:36,760
I'm still in touch with them,
you know, and they've never ever forgotten

574
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,559
that special project that we work together
on Magic. I can see why that

575
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:49,199
story staying with you. That's amazing
and I love I think that's so important

576
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,320
when we do things like investigations and
research. It's really important that we know

577
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:59,800
what is happening or what's happened through
time in these locations, but not to

578
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:07,519
prim us, not to develop a
I lean lots into the Phillips experiment,

579
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:14,119
not not to have that impact,
but to understand, to save us from

580
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,440
investigating things that aren't there, that
are alleged to be there. Because this

581
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:24,519
character has been created. And I
think knowing that story makes your experience so

582
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,239
much more, so much deeper,
isn't it, Because you think it was

583
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,000
a massive that kind of twist.
I wasn't expecting that. I didn't know

584
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:37,480
that grave was in that church,
but to have so many people and that

585
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:42,039
church was packed. When there's you
know what, it's like, it's a

586
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:45,280
it's a good show. The kids
have all been raving about it. So

587
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,159
mum, dad's, aunt is and
uncles, little brothers and said, everybody's

588
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,360
coming, and it was, it
was, it was, And all the

589
00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:00,920
instruments were traditional. We had traditional
singing and songs and it was in a

590
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:07,519
funny sort of way. That's connecting
with spirit in it. Really, yes,

591
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,119
yes, because they have a candles
lit, the old music, the

592
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,239
old costumes, a lot of people
giving a very good it's a good vibration,

593
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,480
you know, really good atmosphere,
very powerful atmosphere, a lot of

594
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,559
people, local people, old families
coming in, a lot of people thinking

595
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:30,920
this is this is good, we
want this and then for that to happen.

596
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:39,039
That's powerful. I love that.
That's a sense of history, isn't

597
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:44,280
it the continuation of history? You
know, when you've put people in the

598
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:49,519
same place through generations, that resonance
builds up, doesn't it. I should

599
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:53,440
imagine And yeah, and when you
tap into that, it's it's quite powerful.

600
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:59,760
Like you say, memorable, I'll
never forget it. Yeah, that

601
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,719
to those kids to hand that story
on in a way that's memorable for them,

602
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,119
that they want to perpetuate it and
retell it for their kids, because

603
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:13,760
I know they have. And it
links back into the very beginning of this

604
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,480
interview where you said that your journey
started because you had all these people around

605
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:22,920
you. That story was going to
end when with them, and you didn't

606
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:29,960
want that. So that is actually
links quite nicely. Yeah. And it's

607
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,519
good that you've got that sense of
history and it is shared, it is

608
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,760
passed down for generation, because that's
really how we get a good sense of

609
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,960
where we've come from as well.
It's true and I hate people that consider

610
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:47,320
history their property. I'm not talking
if you own a historic house, yes

611
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,519
that's yours. But if you've found
things out, you should share it,

612
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,400
don't ring fence it, you know. But you're right, you don't need

613
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,559
to know about everything before you go
into a place, but it's nice to

614
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,760
if you've had a name come through
or there's something you're captured on a photo

615
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,800
bit of information, it's not as
able to find out, isn't it.

616
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:13,960
Were you right? Yeah. And
also I think it guards us from,

617
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:20,320
like I said, having that priming. At what point do we investigate the

618
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,199
alleged taunting or are we investigating the
location, Because if we're going in and

619
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:30,639
we're looking for an entity, we're
looking for a being, then actually we're

620
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:37,480
investigating this false collective memory. Absolutely
the actual vibration of the location and what

621
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:43,280
could be there, you're not getting
that. So knowing that also guards us,

622
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,239
protects us as investigators to not fall
into that trap of just because so

623
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,760
and so said that this was there, and then the next time someone goes,

624
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,280
it's got a name, the next
time someone goes, it's got a

625
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:59,400
voice the next time, and all
of a sudden, this collected spot.

626
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,039
Yeah. I wish more. I
wish more para normal investigator. And I'm

627
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:07,920
going to use the term ghost hander
because I'm old I'm not that, but

628
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,880
you know what I mean, I'm
old school. I don't like hunting in

629
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,039
any form. But we were ghost
standards and I always will be. That's

630
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:20,719
what I am. And I just
think play it straight, tell it the

631
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,679
way, but you don't need to
go into reams of information and knowledge,

632
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:30,400
you know it Just I'll tell you
when I film help my house is haunted.

633
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:37,280
It's very rare that Ian Lorman and
I even speak because when I'm filming

634
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:45,039
my little bit, I'm normally on
once a series and I'll speak to lovely

635
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:50,480
Jane Harris, who is one of
them. That whole team is like like

636
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:52,239
seeing a family that you love to
go and see and stay with, you

637
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,119
know, a few times a year. You know the thought. You know

638
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:59,920
it's for Christmas and birthdays. You
know, that's the atmosphere. It's really

639
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:06,480
positive. And so Ian is doing
his filming the walk round of the house

640
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:10,079
and we haven't even said hello.
On somewhere. He's got a he doesn't

641
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:13,519
even have to really have a call
sheet. You know, he's in a

642
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:19,280
hotel somewhere and he's taken somewhere.
That's it. That's how cold he goes

643
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,920
in. I'll be talking to Jane. With my research. There might be

644
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:29,239
a researcher that I've dealt with.
They've given me a remit. They certainly

645
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,920
don't know all I'm going to say. They trust me. They know that

646
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:36,960
I'm not going to swear or be
vulgar or let them down. They all

647
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,239
know that there's a good there's a
good story. Here, and so I'll

648
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:45,280
tell it to Jane while Ian's film, and then to I mean, for

649
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:52,800
example, there was there was one
the guy who plays is it Steve McDonald

650
00:54:52,199 --> 00:55:00,159
on on Colination Street. Yeah,
it was in one of the celebrity Help

651
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:01,360
My House. It's on it.
And you know we don't even meet.

652
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:06,719
I don't always meet the celebrity means
it's very straight back that they play,

653
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,000
so it can't give any deal away. And I found the story of this

654
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:16,400
it's very very dark tail of a
mother and daughter. I have a horrible

655
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:22,280
feeling it was murder. The daughter
was pregnant and in those in the nineteenth

656
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:29,400
century, no dad, you know, young girl pregnant. But it's kind

657
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,639
of some people would say bringing shame
on the family, you know, it

658
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:37,159
was. It was dreadful, and
the mother and daughter found they cut each

659
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:44,039
other's well. I think the daughter
either cut the mother's voat or they both

660
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:46,119
cut their own foat. She using
the same blade. It just doesn't add

661
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:52,840
up, and they bled out over
a bowl. It's truly horrible. And

662
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,840
when the girl's body was examined,
she had been carrying a child and the

663
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:05,480
birth had been forced. And after
the inquest, I think it was after

664
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:12,239
the inquest the body of the baby
was found, and to me, they

665
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:21,360
seemed there were cuts on that baby
that stank of ritual. It was very,

666
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,760
very, very very dark. I
don't think they've said too much about

667
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:32,000
that on the show. It's not
easy viewing or listening, is it,

668
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:38,880
really. But when Ian Lawman walked
into that house, and it's on tape

669
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,440
you can see it, the first
thing he heard was the choir of a

670
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:53,480
baby. Wow. Remarkable if you're
just stabbing in the dark, just guessing,

671
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:01,000
mm hmm. It's the guy's got
a very very genuine talent. He's

672
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:07,039
one of kindness, lovely. So
when that's all done that, it's great.

673
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:08,559
We can have breakfast together or something
like that and have a good old

674
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:14,039
arm. But it's very very we
never meet before any of that is filmed,

675
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:19,199
but we get on so well because
he says, Neil, the stories

676
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:25,159
that I tell, what Ian tells, I proved them. Yeah, they've

677
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:31,159
already proved if you see what I
mean. Yeah, it's already there.

678
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:37,760
Yeah, he's found them. But
I tell the stories that he's I kind

679
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,519
of prove that he's right. And
it's a great synergy a lot, and

680
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:47,320
I'm so proud to be associated with
help I really am. Yeah, and

681
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,400
that I mean I think back in
the day when before. I think when

682
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Barry first was on the first ever
his first ever TV show, had the

683
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:04,239
pleasure of interviewing him, and he's
he's adorable, he's such a nice guy.

684
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:10,599
Yeah, I can imagine that the
the connection between the team works really

685
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:16,320
really well if you've got all those
kind of all those matching energies. Everybody's

686
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:22,400
kind Barry Guy, haven't mentioned you
yet, Barry you star. He's just

687
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,960
he's just lovely. Everybody is.
You know. These are like meeting old

688
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,840
friends. And you'll notice that Ian
Lawman's mustache has improved the series have been

689
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:40,880
going on. That's all down to
me. I can assure you mustached work

690
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:49,960
properly. Afford me more where that
came from. But we do have a

691
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:53,960
laugh about the big touch addressing elephant
in the room. No, I won't

692
00:58:54,000 --> 00:59:00,800
mention it, but I have noticed, well it is quite a large one,

693
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,719
Kerry. I I've never had any
complaints. You know that. People

694
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:17,920
are quite impressed, particularly when I
waxed my tips. You see Salvador Darling

695
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:24,000
without this. I didn't always have
this mustache. I had a PM life,

696
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:30,119
which is pre mustache, when my
face was as boring as a potato.

697
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:37,199
And I grew that from some First
World War events. And everybody is,

698
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:38,960
oh god, because I didn't want
to stick on. It's going to

699
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,480
fly off. And I have you
still got that? The Americans. I

700
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:49,079
lecture in the States and I have
groups of paranormal researchers come over, mister

701
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,280
Starry, have you still got that
mustache? Oh god, we love it.

702
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:55,920
Oh God, you can't. You
can't get rid of it. So

703
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:06,639
it stayed my facial. This feature
in charge is in charge. I've been

704
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:16,840
told it pluscious against the cheek mentioned
in the Americans American counterpart. You're working,

705
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:23,119
you've got some events coming up.
I mentioned Americans because Dave schred Trader.

706
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:29,480
That's correct. I love hands holdser
well. There's been a journey to

707
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:35,719
get to hands Holzer. Sibil Leak
was how I got into hands wholes Are.

708
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,079
And then I love the fact that
he's a parapsychologist, but that he

709
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:45,360
used mediums. I've never come across
another parapsychologist that works in the way that

710
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:52,639
he did. And similly is an
absolute what she did for for womanhood and

711
01:00:52,960 --> 01:01:00,920
for Witches and I mean, she's
yeah, and I love her. She's

712
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,360
amazing. So that's how I come
across Dave, who is also what is

713
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,199
wonderful? And you've got an event
coming up, haven't you in the coming

714
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,800
months. We certainly have. We've
got a special tour later this year,

715
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:19,679
September time, and I'm sure they'll
look find us on Facebook and have a

716
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,559
look on the Mysterious Adventures Tours site
and you will see that Dave and I

717
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:29,760
are going to be touring some of
our favorite haunted spots in Great Britain.

718
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,639
We'll be going to Chillingham Castle,
we will be going to Whitby the Land

719
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:40,280
of bram and Whitby Happy and we're
going to go to the festival The Unexplained

720
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,559
will be there and then we're going
to go and this is just a hint

721
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:49,599
of the places where're going. Hell
Fire Caves. Hell Fire Caves, no,

722
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:53,599
if you've never been there. They
are Francis Dashwood's creation for the hell

723
01:01:53,679 --> 01:02:00,360
Fire Club, the chalk all underground
carved out and you think you know where

724
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,159
you're going, and you can easily
get lost, and I'll admit, Dave,

725
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:08,719
it brings along very simple EVP Oh
my god, what we got out

726
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:15,880
of the strange white lights where there's
nothing, There really is nothing and people

727
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,360
have seen these. These are strange, all black lights captured on camera.

728
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,519
Absolutely incredible. So your health ar
caves. We're going to go to London.

729
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:29,960
We're going to do the Jack the
Ripper sites and we're going to get

730
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:36,960
a stone hinge. So it's mysteries
and legends and all our favorite of a

731
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:40,679
few ghost hunts. And yeah,
privileged access because I get on very very

732
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:46,440
well with the team at Chillingham.
It's Britain's most haunted castle. Come on,

733
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:51,960
you know it's it's a very very
special place. Have you been there,

734
01:02:52,079 --> 01:03:00,840
Natalie. It's in the Midlands,
proper North. How of the North

735
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,000
is my province? No, I've
not been there yet. No, I'll

736
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:07,000
have to look it up. If
it's If it's quite that notorious, well

737
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:12,360
i'll tell you what you must Chilliam
Castle. And you know when Kerry's driving

738
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:15,880
up, you know from from the
east, swing by and pick you up.

739
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,280
Pick me up. By the way. There we are where they're at

740
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:25,480
Chillingham. It's a genuine, genuine
medieval castle. It was used as a

741
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:30,199
staging post really when the English Army
came up to fight the Scots. Wow.

742
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:34,800
So you know the king that was
known as the Hammer of the Scots

743
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:42,480
used to stay there. And this
was actually were mentioning about ghosts becoming manufactured,

744
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:46,880
and there's a manufactured ghost. There's
nothing to do with chilling. Really,

745
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:53,719
I've got a horrible feeling they've got
a dark entity there. Now.

746
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:59,239
I don't use the word demon lightly, unlike some people that seem to find

747
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,679
a demon where that they go.
That's one of the places some sort of

748
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:11,920
entities there's latched on. They've latched
onto people going there thinking that there's this

749
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:19,039
torturer called John Sage. There's even
a backstory that he's supposedly had a wound

750
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:26,559
to his leg and you'll hear him
going around the building dragging his withered leg

751
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:30,480
behind him. He's known as drag
Foot and God say, there's no his

752
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,239
document of this man. Torture is
actually illegal. The only known real tortures

753
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:42,280
are carried out in the Tower of
London. That's it you might get.

754
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,280
If they're trying to interrogate somebody,
string them up on a tree and give

755
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,480
them sort of strapardo thing and whip
them to Later you're not using the devices

756
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:54,400
in the collection under the stairs.
Okay, that's not going on at Chillingham.

757
01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:00,440
It's a construct, but there are
enough people when one thing gets out.

758
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,480
It is like slender Man, It's
like some of these other projections.

759
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:10,039
The dark forces are out there,
folks. I am not a denier.

760
01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:13,239
Do not deny them. I tell
you you know. In fact, I

761
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,440
think a lot of your fans here, Carry and Natalie are quite sensible enough

762
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:21,039
to know and probably experienced the dark
side. You know, it's real.

763
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:29,239
It's dangerous. And if they've got
people not sorting the circle out properly,

764
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,960
trying to communicate, really wishing this
John Sage is going to come forward.

765
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,039
It's a dark force. Yes,
guess what. He will have a name,

766
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,599
He will come forward. He will
even develop your story and he might

767
01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:45,519
come home with you too. Hey, that's great. Yeah, special attachments,

768
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:51,639
the gifts that keep on giving.
Then that's going to be an increasing

769
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:59,920
issue with the increasing popularity of ghosts
in places. Do you think that slender

770
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:04,920
Man type effect is going to be
an increasing issue over the next sort decade

771
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:10,559
or so. I think it already
is. I think that's why certain images

772
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:18,639
are even turning up on camera phones
that these are not always ancient hauntings shadow

773
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:23,079
figures. Perhaps, I think there's
a lot of mileage in those. I

774
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:27,000
mean, Lord and knows what people
are picking up there are these lost entities.

775
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:30,440
Are we actually dealing with something that
we see another dimension that we were

776
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:34,239
we never had the chance to see
before. Is it all a fraught?

777
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,400
I don't know. I think there's
some pretty good and honest people pointing cameras

778
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,559
around their house or having a lock
off camera, security camera, and they're

779
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:47,960
getting some sort of shadow figure peeking
around the place. I mean, let's

780
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:54,679
face it, where do our medieval
ancestors get some of these stories from stories

781
01:06:54,719 --> 01:07:00,320
of little people? So that you
can find evidence of shadow peoples, black

782
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,079
eyed children. Yeah, they're coming
to the fore now, but look around

783
01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:10,480
you'll find them. So we've got
to be careful. What's happening. Are

784
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:15,159
the old spirits some of them being
regenerated? Are these some sort of is

785
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:20,159
it a complete construct or is it
a hijack by a spirit that's kind of

786
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:27,800
inhabiting the story that's existed for a
long while. I mean that's known,

787
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,840
believe it or not. In Indian
culture, Hindu culture, where you will

788
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:38,320
get they look at the Richard Burton
story, not Richard Burton the actor,

789
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:43,039
Richard Burton the explorer. He translated
Rick Rahman the Vampire, and the Hindu

790
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:47,800
notion of a vampire in the Richard
Burton translations is a spirit that will kind

791
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:54,840
of they can reanimate the dead,
or if you're weak as a human,

792
01:07:54,880 --> 01:08:00,840
they will reanimate them. So there's
all sorts of we've seen this sort of

793
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,440
stuff, but we've never really understood
it. We still don't really understand it

794
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:06,920
because sound like we're being clever and
we do. All I can say is

795
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,559
be careful, folks. There's an
old saying, be careful what you wish

796
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,840
for. I agree, and I
think we are. I think that's a

797
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:24,479
beautiful sentiment to end on. Actually
be careful what you wish for. And

798
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,439
also it is really important that we
understand what we're messing with when we're messing

799
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,960
with it. And I say the
word messing loosely. What I mean is

800
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:36,239
you don't really know what you're working
with until you know, and then by

801
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:43,039
then, if you're not moving in
the right way, if you're not approaching

802
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,920
in the right way, you don't
know what's going to happen going forward.

803
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,720
So I think that's a really good, good warning, to good sentiment to

804
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:55,399
end on. So for our listeners
that are with us, now, where

805
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,359
can they find you? What can
they watch you on? Where can they

806
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:04,159
read you? Where can they follow
you? Cyber? I mean you can

807
01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:09,720
follow me on Facebook? I have
all sorts on there and it is me.

808
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,720
You know, I don't use publicity
people. You could only be my

809
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,159
Facebook friend though. If you're kind
and respectful a minute you're rude or anything

810
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:23,880
weird and nasty and un you're gone. In fact, don't don't press the

811
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button. If you haven't got kindness
in your heart, right, you haven't

812
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:31,840
got that. I don't want to
know here you. If you're kind and

813
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,960
respectful to other people, that's that's
the community that I foster. I want

814
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,079
to read my books. Well,
you can go to a book shop.

815
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:42,920
Do you know what this bookshop's out
there? Going to look on the shelf

816
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,359
and if you haven't looked online,
what put Neil's story in? But don't

817
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:53,159
find me a bookshelp? No,
go look me up on Mysterious Adventures tours.

818
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,800
I'm in Salem this October. Come
on England, come and Jomy.

819
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:02,439
We've got the witches and vampire as
tour of old, Old Witches and Vampires

820
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:08,399
of Old and New England over in
Salem for Halloween. Come on, this

821
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,880
is this is Halloween Central, you
know, come and join us. I'm

822
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:17,000
there. I'm there. It's going
to be absolutely amazing. So that that's

823
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:20,880
going to be Halloween for me this
year. So yeah, Mysterious Adventures tours,

824
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:26,279
books, online, books and bookshops. And if you want to see

825
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:30,960
some of me in action, have
a look on Sam and Colby the Demon

826
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,600
of Chillingham when I'm with the wonderful
Dads, Sam and Colby, the great

827
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,560
episode. That's the episode where we
really look at John Stage and the truth

828
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,239
of the haunting, their pleasure to
work with those guys. Or have a

829
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:48,199
look. I'm in one episode every
series of Help my House is haunted,

830
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:51,560
but all episodes are well worth a
look. I mean mine of the best.

831
01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:01,760
There's a certain magic that synergy.
It's mustash see. It carries you

832
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,439
through. You know, it's a
good story if the Tash is there,

833
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:12,800
that's that's the fact. And I
also the other rule is I don't take

834
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,840
myself too seriously. I think that's
important in life. Have a laugh,

835
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:23,439
look after each other and just be
kind, beautiful. Thank you, thank

836
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,640
you so much for joining us this
evening, and thank you to everyone that

837
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,720
has listened. Feel free to download
Say for Later. I enjoy it right

838
01:11:31,760 --> 01:12:00,239
now and we look forward to seeing
you next time. Bye, Z