We got someone or something crawling around out here. Does a legend walk among
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Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't go. All
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and see this thing running across the yard, a good side man or something
works like a man. I don't know what it was. For over fifteen
years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to
gain insight and truth around the existence of this mysterious entity. Jesus Christ,
Hello, get somebody out of here. What's going to announce? There's got
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We're gonna do. Join us as we continue into the investigation of the
Sasquatch Experience. And good evening everyone, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. First
show for the new year. Exciting. I'm Sean the Fort Chott Forker and
the Center Squares. James Baker over in the corners, Mat Honor down the
bottom as Chatty Cathy the big Football, horny dude in the bottom corn owner
Henry the Bigfoot Encyclopedia May at Henry May on Facebook. If you folks are
looking to make a friend, he's there till the end, Heidi. Hell,
guys, it's such great night to be here and again Happy New year,
fellas. Good to see you. Happy New Year. And just so
you got folks out there and listener and lan believe it or not, guys,
we've got a ton of listeners tonight on Acts, a platform that I
thought we'd never use, but we had a great amount of listeners there in
the onslaught. It's pretty cool to see that. So excellent. We got
Vance stuck. It didn't find Worth Vance and Nesbitt. Guys. It's been
a strange year. It was a good year and thank god it's over as
we start something different, something new. Although Matt had a rough one today,
we always got to give Matt a little love and support because he's out
there doing the good work. So thank you Matt for making sure people are
safe out there today. It's a day I'm sure you deal with a ton
of assholes. We do. We do anytime it's a holiday. It's never
a good day when you're working, so or full moon. Full moon is
a whole different story. But yes, we we actually, yeah, we
we actually keep track of that. So our good friend, a brother from
another mother or a man in Manitoba, Corey Luckapoi saying Happy New Year's guys,
Corey, Happy New Year's to you. Agree to have you in the
chat with us, my friend, good to see you. Thanks so much
for tuning in. Like tonight's going to be kind of a low key night.
It's the twenty twenty three year in review, and we had some interesting
things to talk about from last year, guys. And I don't know if
we want to do it in any particular chronological order, and if there is
something that's stuck out to you that you thought you'd definitely want to talk about.
But I think the most important thing to talk about, Henry, let
me get rid of this banner soppy people can actually see your face is the
Bigfoot times well, Bigfoot of the year now, yes, markmrcell And you
know what, I always feel like there's some contention around Bigfoot of the Year.
Somebody always gets their feelings hurt or it's kind of like, I don't
want to say it's like the oscars, but you know, there's always great
contenders for it, right no matter which way you go, somebody's going to
be disappointed. And I think Mark Marcell with the work he did in Epe
Canyon putting together the booklet Mountain Devil, he's working on a book about Ape
Canyon. Now, I think it was a good choice, a little unconventional,
but he really put the time, effort, and energy into going back
to one of the classic stories of Bigfoot, one of the classic encounters.
Absolutely he did a great job with it too, And I mean that's not
an easy thing to do because it's hard to get to that location. Henry.
My understanding is that Mark has a background and in that I want to
say surveying, but it's probably not surveying that helped him look into the landmarkings
and whatnot to to help him find the area. I believe he does had
some kind of background in that so that enabled and be able to find the
area pretty easily. And also the grandsons of some of the miners actually found
the long Logged Mind the vander White mine as well. Vander White, the
name of the mine where they had the encounter at Abe Canyon. So,
Matt, what were your thoughts on the announcement of big Foot of the Year.
And I'm sure you had your own list in your mind of people that
you thought might go and take it. You know what, I have my
own list, and there's people that, you know, I felt that deserved
it. But the one thing is is in I don't I hate to say
that there's a difference between East Coast and West Coast, but you know,
like Mark Marcel, like we were aware of what was going on, but
man to know all the you know, like the Olympia Project people, they
knew, like all the work on the ground that he was putting in,
you know, everything entailing this big announcement about the about finding the mind.
You know, it's something that kind of lost on this because I think you're
on the East Coast, we're looking more at you know, people like Alex
Petakov, you know who's who's here on the East Coast part of small town
Monsters has been just outstanding with his field work, outstanding with his productions.
And then you have somebody else too that I thought was really well deserving of
Big fourt of the Year who just seems to be getting passed over as Todd
Prescott and Todd it does such an amazing job with his archives and yes,
and not only that, but it was it was funny during COVID, I
almost had the opportunity to go go out in the field with Todd, and
from what I understand, he is one and ten percent like in it when
when you get to the field, so you know, someone like him,
I you know, But then, like I said, Mark Marcella, it's
one of those names like oh my god, you know, like, yeah,
I completely forgot about Mark. But like I said, with what he
brought forth with a canyon is just absolutely amazing. We're gonna have him on
the show last year, and I don't know, for whatever reason, the
signals got switched up and we never did bring him in, but I think
we'll have to do that now that he's the Bigfoot of the Year. Some
other names that were floated around, David Sheeley, you know, kind of
a self nomination. If anybody reads the Bigfoot Times newsletter Bigfoot Times dot net,
go and subscribe, get yourself a physical newsletter that comes in the mail.
It's fantastic. I would it every month and I didn't have that.
Tom Seawood also nominated himself for Bigfoot of the Year, and so there you
have that. We have people self nominating, which is okay, you think
you've done the work by all means, but Matt that you mentioned it.
Todd Prescott was another name that was mentioned on the list. I don't know
if you read it in advance or I've known Todd for many years and such
a good guys had a negative interaction with Todd. He's got such a good
energy, good musician too, So you can't take that away from But Bigfoot
of the Year always comes with that's a little bit of controversy. But we're
glad one was announced again. If you're just joining ash Mark Marcell Bigfoot of
the Year, as stated by the Bigfoot Times Daniel Perez, they're pretty cool.
James Baker says, the one list you'll want to be on. There
are many you don't, but that's when you want to do. But guys,
i'd be remiss to say if you know another big event that was kind
of it was It lasted longer than I thought it would have, but it
had a really quick and impact or had a really quick impact. Was that
Colorado train footage? Yes, yes, that was on my list talking about
tonight too. Yeah, well go ahead, man, bring it up.
Let's talk about you know what without really going too much in depth on it,
because everyone pretty much is aware of the Colorado train footage. It was
shown on national news. It was always you know, people are coming out
of the woodwork saying, oh, this is a real thing. No,
it's a hoax. But the one thing is is that it did show nine
percent solidarity in the Bigfoot community online people in real life saying now, this
was a hoax, which I to be honest, I think there should be
a little bit of pride in the in the Bigfoot community for that, for
standing up to that and saying, hey, you know this thing is not
you know what we think is so I do you know, I do give
credit to the community at large for kind of you know, looking at that
and calling out for what it was. It took about two days, three
days for us to really kind of get you know, a good you look
at that video after it was initially released the same yeah, yeah, this
isn't. But I'm glad for that because a lot of times we embrace I'm
gonna use the word shit, but we embrace it, and we embrace stuff
that we should never do. And then what happens two weeks later, It's
on every news channel and we we're sent back five years as being idiots,
you know, instead of you know, I'm either for the science. I've
already told you my opinion. It's either really intelligent or it doesn't exist.
But when you have people that run around and then you'll have twenty and then
every county has fourteen sightings because they watched ABC News, can't help yeap.
You know, we're gonna get a snippet of that in the news tonight or
the shit that the big Foot bullhorn tonight. Vance puts a little news segment
in there, very relative to the things we're talking about here this evening.
But no, James, I really agree and everything you've all said so far,
we took it down quick as a community, and that was a really
good thing. But I think the one thing that I was even prouder of
was we really kept digging and going into details. That's what it was going
on. I see Matt laughing, and I see Baker with this devilish look.
Vance what's your thought on all this? The train, the Colorado Free
In my first take was it was just a hoax for promotion, and that's
how I take it. And I think it made itself very visible for those
on the train and then sat down and squatted in the bushes to pretend like
it's hiding. But that's my tool. No. I mean, I think
when you look at it from a context point of view, you were spot
on the money long lasting, it was not, but we were able to
get some I think, connect some dots and find out who was really sort
of find out who is responsible for I don't think it's been concretely proven yet,
but we have a good idea that it was done by a marketing outfit
out there, by one of those RV RVs. So Baker, don't give
them any of your money this year, you know, find somebody to get
an RV from. We're buying the Bigfoot wagon next year, telling you bigfoot
shagging wagon folks. That's where we're at ritable. Oh my gosh, Henry,
what else has been out there with you? Man? What do you
think? What twenty twenty three? What was the big Henry May moment?
Oh goodness, Well, I think the biggest moment was the announcement by Darby
Orcutt that he is receiving DNA. He he's open to receiving DNA samples,
he by fines. Now, of course Todd Disstel is also of course testing
DNA as well. No, I think that's a good point that you bring
that up, Henry, that I think Todd Distel has never stopped accepting DNA
samples. Right, we just wit talking about doctor Disstel, But you got
a university backing this and actively engaging in the collection of some information. I
think that's pretty cool. Matt. You were pretty big on that announcement too.
I was, and obviously coming back from having the back of the North
Carolina state, you really lend some credence to the you know, to the
study. Hearing the doctor on another podcast there, when the people receive the
or when people send the DNA samples out, they are going to receive at
some point, you know, what they basically what they have sent in an
analysis of that DNA. So even if they brought something in and they weren't
sure of it, maybe it could be something that they don't that they've never
seen before. Well, if it comes back as maybe, uh, you
know, wolf DNA or bear DNA, they're going to get that. They're
still gonna I believe they're gonna hold onto samples, which is a big positive.
So, you know, being able to actually have a catalog and have
a chain of custody for that particular item done in a university level is extremely
important because I know other DNA studies that people send stuff in and they never
got anything in return, and you know, they may have never found out
what that particularly was. No, And I think that's a great point you
make there too, Matt, with the chain of custody and the logging of
said information. I've sent stuff out in the mail before. I told you
I sent stuff to doctor Jeff Meldrema and lost it in mail, sent it
signature and everything, and it never made it to its source. But that
doesn't have to be anything conspiratorial, folks. Shit gets lost in the mail
all the time. But it is, you know, a good point when
you're talking about Evan's collection, and you know, if somebody out there gives
them the recognition they need for actually being the person to collect the good the
good data, right, that's pretty great. Van, You got an opinion
on the DNA collection. Well, look the plethora of DNA collection. Some
of it has turned out to be so damn complicated we can't figure it out.
And others it comes back of unknown origin. It's like you throw your
arms up in the air. It's like, please make a decision. Well,
I again, with nothing to type against an unknown specimen. You could
group all these unknown specimens together and look for commonalities. Right, what's the
commonality? But still, until the end of the day, you have something
to butt it up against that say, here it is with one hundred percent
beyond a shadow of it out, not a reasonable doubt beyond a shadow of
it out. These two things are alike and they are the same. That's
a big difference. That's a whole another story. Even if it came back
as well, this is a primary hair, just a primate hair. Just
give me that. Okay, that gives us something to work with. But
it doesn't even come back as that. And I think there has to be
some more clarification or more pressing for clarification. So when we just take it
that information out in somebody posts, oh it's just an unknown primate, we
should be pressing back. Well, what are the markers, what's it closer
to, what's it closest to in terms of the primate family. Well,
I mean we're a bunch of damn dirty abes too, so we're you know,
where does it fall in in perspective to us? So there's a lot
more questions we could ask, But here's the bottom line. As a research
community, we're kind of stupid. We don't go out of our way to
educate ourselves and improve ourselves and in a necessary way to have those conversations.
That's why we need folks to speak on our behalf that do have that education
and credential. I'm never going to be, you know, a speaker of
the bigfoot house, you know, rubbing elbows with the scientists. That's just
not my forte. You know, I'm a plain spoken man. God,
I just almost call myself the George Bush or Bigfooters. But you know,
just plain spoken and that's all right. But you know, when it comes
to dealing with this on an academic level, people really know what they need
to know what the hell they're talking about, and we just haven't done a
you know, we're weekend warriors for the most part. You have a few
out there that are becoming really a little bit more professional. But unless you
really are a professional dialed into this and your speciality is maybe DNA not anatomy
in physiology, you know, it's a different story. But that's just my
two cents, Matt, did you have a rebuttal or a pine on that.
I don't. Again, I think that the other thing too is with
the study, it's not going to be something where they're able to get analysis
done and say this is definitely an unknown primid or known harmited. Basically,
this is going to take year So we may be looking at two, three,
four years before we get that big nugget of big news coming from this.
And I'm sure that they are going to be getting a lot of samples
that are going to be misidentified, not from the university or from the people
doing the analysis, but possibly from those in the field. And again that
happens, you know again that there could be something there that you know,
the field researcher may not have been aware of in that particular area. But
but again it's gonna take I think a good solid two years before we you
know, we get that big yes there's something or no, there's nothing here.
But even if they even if they find that they find a sample,
let's say is an ape like creature, there's also then have to investigate that
point to find out out what's going on, because there's going to be that
twenty percent of people that are gonna send gonna go to the zoom, cut
a chimp's hair and throw it in a bag and just to screw with them.
So, I mean, before you know, it's kind of like we
talk about some other people that are on you know, different things, like
you have to confirm enough to be able to say this, okay, not
only is an unknown ap but it's from a credible source. Yes, you
know so, and that's where your two years is coming in. It's not
as much like they can't throw it through you know, you watch NCIS,
so like five minutes later they know they know the exactly who the guy is,
yes, but they also have twenty seven pieces of information and also tie
him to being there. Yep, you know. And I do think that
once the once they do get some positive analysis, they're probably gonna start getting
the research at that point and going back in. If you get a certain
individual that says, hey, you know, I was out in the algai
National Forest or I was up in you know, West Virginia, and I
got the sample and alone, behold you you find out that the guy never
left the city of Philadelphia, you know, and probably went down to the
to the zoo. You know. Then Okay, I could you know,
I could see, you know, the questions being being thrown at them.
But you do have some very good field researchers that have already been submitting samples.
So I think there's a lot of people, you know, in the
Naywak Group area X, I think have probably began submitting I know that they
had been talking about it, and you know, just researchers, good field
researchers throughout the country. Yeah, that had evidence, and we're planning on
submitting it well. And the waiting game is okay by me because I can't
get any you can't get any more frustrating than what it is. We just
have to be patient and wait. But you know, even with the you
know, the emergence of the using e DNA right to you know, new
types of samples, that's a lot of sifting and you know, collected information
to hopefully get something that is I really even though it's really cool and we
have that capability, it's very, very difficult to get something tangible from that.
I feel like it was a glimmer of hope for all of us.
And if you do an expedition Bigfoot and everybody gets excited, and then when
people actually start talking about how the hell it really works, it's like a
big kick in the balls. Oh that was great, and uh wow,
I see that. I see that at work all the time. We got
a new guy and he's really interested in, you know, in the stuff
that I do, and and you know he's thinking that it's all, you
know, everything you see on TV is is what happens. You send you
send things in. There's crime lab, you know, attached to your apartment.
You could go right there now. I mean I got to drive it
up to, you know, a laboratory. It's an hour and a half
away. You know, I sign all sorts of chain of custody paperwork on
it. I have to make sure that everything is submitted the correct way,
and then from there they do their thing. And when you do get the
results back, oh my god. You know, it's it's almost like you
need a PhD just to read it. But I think that goes to Baker's
point, where you know, you have that Hollywood idea in your head of
the NCI as you take it down to the lady in the basement and she's
going to run it through all these high tech machines. Then no local police
department can afford. But you know most people don't have You got to take
it somewhere and get it tested. So there's an unrealistic expectation about how that
all comes to fruition as well. It's actually something that we deal with in
mind line and work and when we take a case to a jury trial,
and we call it the CSI effect. And for those people in law enforcement
that are that are listening, the CSI effect has been been ongoing for probably
the last twenty years, where you know, they'll people ask, well,
why didn't you get a fingerprint off of off this particular right, and well,
you know, prints could be there, but for them to be developed
and for them to be you know, processed, it may not be able
to you know, be to fruition. So you know, we get that
quite a bit from from jury's so it's something that we have to deal with,
but it's also something that we as a big for community need to deal
with as well, because of the family. That's a good point. You
know, when you hit when your fingerprinted, which I have been sorry to
say, we can grab the thumb. The officer will grab the thumb and
roll it across the ink pad. But that's not how fingerprint and prints are
left. Naturally. You might only have a partial of a fingerprint that's not
conclusive enough to evidence. Now, we would actually need a certain amount of
what we call points identifying points from that in order to make an identification,
and there's a sets standard for that. But yeah, I mean I was
doing Layton prints today and you know what I ended up having to deal with
was people were overlaying their fingerprints over the print that I wanted, and so
it was impossible for us to to actually an identifiable print. So now you
look at that in terms of the bigfoot community, you know, what can
you learn from that? Well, you know, the one thing is is
if you if you see a possible handprint. You know a lot of people
talk about handprints on cars car windows, just don't touch it, you know,
like stay away from it. You know, wait till you have everything
there to collect it to And why I say collected it's not just you know,
taking taking powder to it and lifting it, but actually photographing it,
you know, getting the measurements from it, because that all helps. And
again this is something that that could be transferred over to the to the big
foot community, you know, and take your time with it. I think
what everybody forgets is a simple point is is like and I'm sure you see
a lot of it. That is it's the moment, yes, you you
see all these things. And I'll just say you say, you say you
see bigfoot touch a tree and you're just over there standing around the tree and
you're touching the tree and you're whatever. You're not helping, you're just screwing
up more evidence because now your fingerprints are meshed with this other one. And
maybe maybe you're a shudder or a secrete or whatever they call it, you
know, so you're leaving stuff all over the place, and like because you
spit when you talk and you're really excited or you know, and you just
wipe the print away. So and the thing is what it is. It's
even in your thing. If someone got let's go, for instance, there
was a body in a car. Whoever opens the door to get the body
might not be a police officers that trained to glove up. It might be
it might be his mom going, oh my god, Joey might be alive.
And they own the body and they move and they touch the steering wheel
to try to get a better access to check whether his neck is good and
stuff. So like you have like and I know they have like a way
to test whose prints or whatever, and they have that. But at the
same time is while she's checking the neck, maybe there was a really good
print here from the killer. Well now it's gone. Well, you know,
that is a good point. But the one thing that like, especially
for going out into the field is if you see a print, the biggest
thing is the biggest mystique I see people do is when they see prints,
they try to touch it, you know, they try to even just to
pad it. Do not do that, because there have been prints that I
believe Cliff Barackman was saying that he is a print in one of his collections
where somebody went in put their finger into into the impression and you could actually
see the finger impression within the foot impression. So you're not getting that natural
perspective of that of that impression because you know, somebody put their you know,
went to see, yeah, this is three times bigger than my hand,
so it ought to be that, and then they touched the print.
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the Sasquatch experience, and let's kick things off by how the year ended in
twenty three going to December twenty eighth. Out of winter Green, Virginia is
Bigfoot real or not, we may never know. But here's how the news
report went Surprize surprise, Some bigfoot sightings in winter Green have been debunked.
According to police, it was someone who was having a laugh and wanted the
quote to create a little lighthearted conversation. As for whether there really is a
bigfoot anywhere else, we're just going to say, amateur sasquatch seekers always hope
something BIG's afoot. Well, that laugh, I never want to hear that
laugh again. Thank you. There were many sightings in winter Green of a
large, hairy figure on the mountain and in wooded areas and even on ring
cameras. Now I have forwarded the photograph that ABC three News used to clickbait
you into this story. The photograph, my opinion, looks Legit looks like
it could be a bigfoot, definitely not a dude in the suit. However,
they did post one other picture that is completely different of an individual clearly
in a costume, obscured by property, fences and trees and is out of
focus. See this is what they do. Now. The report goes on
to say these bigfoot sightings were staged, according to the Winter Green Police Department.
Now winter Green, Virginia is located south southwest of the Shenandoah National Forest
and due west of winter Green, Virginia is the George Washington Jefferson National Forest
in the mountains. Seems like a habitat place to me that a bigfoot might
be stomped around. I don't know. This is Virginia. Crazy things happened
there. But why do I bring all this up? Well, let's go
on with the news story. Chief Dennis Russell said they got a small handful
of calls about it. It was just I guess, maybe something that maybe
got out of hand, but it was all fun and games. Russell said
the Bigfoot impostors stopped when he found out people were taking it more seriously than
expected. I think he just wanted to maybe elevate people's happiness during the holiday
season, he said. He said there was nothing criminal to it. I
believe most people ninety nine percent knew that it was all in jest, because,
let's be honest, Bigfoot in Winter Green, he wouldn't come here,
he said, with a laugh. Russell said they didn't have to tell him
to stop, but he thinks he realized on his own notice they use the
word he thinks he realized on his own. The police department never had a
kind with this individual. There's no names put out there. He did clearly
state there was nothing criminal about this, but they're convinced it was a hoax
without talking to the person that perpetrated this hoax. It was something people were
thinking was more than what it was. Again, it's quite possible this is
a primarya for a bigfoot to be sighted. And I'm wondering who is more
guilty here. If it was an impostor wearing a costume, Okay, so
be it. We don't like cultures, but so be it. But then
I see ABC three News doing the same thing by using this ring camera photo
of something that looks legitimate and something that is clearly just yes. When we
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everybody keep your toe in the mind. Well that was a spicy news segment.
I didn't know we did kick off with that shocker looking for We're going
to have to call ourselves a new type of show here. I'm not even
going to say what I was going to say because my grandma might be watching.
Happy birthday, Grandma. We we love you, No, folks,
I agree with you. I can't stand these reporters. I just want to
punch you in the face. Oh fascinate the asparagus, kill the broccoli.
You've got a lot of people here that are willing to go to Vick's Vegan
Slaughterhouse with you. I like a nice cauliflower as a side dish, not
a main course. You know, I'm a meat eater. I'm afraid I
think I think the use of the cucumber may get out of hand. You
got to use the creeter and cucumber all in one evening, Folks, if
you haven't been using your James Baker bingo, tonight's the night you win the
jackpot. Folks. You're listening to the Sasquad experience here on the second part
of the show, Sean Forker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Van z
Nesbitt, and Henry May down the corner. It's like Hollywood Squares, but
with all the empty spots, and some of us are actually funny. Not
me, but James Baker. You know, I want to add to the
entire conversation of what we were talking about Researchers of the Year. I have
been completely enveloped in watching a lot of the research that goes on that's posted
on YouTube. I have to give kudos to Alexander Pettakoff, and to Eli
Watson, and to Seth Breedlow I mean, these guys are putting themselves into
places all over the country to do the research that is necessary. And I
want to give those three at least, you know, I'll put them up
on the pedestal to say, you know what, they're putting money and the
efforting for all of this, and I think that that research is definitely a
double thumbs a double enthusiastic thumbs up for all three of those gentlemen. Yeah.
No, I think they're all you know, worthy names that you've mentioned,
people out there doing the work. I think, yeah, you know,
here's the problem. I've been working with Heather Moser on a project offline,
off the public radar about discussing researchers that have been in this for a
long time that have gotten no recognition whatsoever. And there have been so many
over the years who have been left behind for reasons sometimes we just can't explain.
But for Joan Jeffers personally, for me, because she was a PA
researcher and so tight to the early parts, tied to Stan Gordon and doctor
Paul Johnson, she's been forgotten about in Pennsylvania and actually just UFO Bigfoot history
in general, and it's quite sad because she was a maze your contributor in
those fifties, sixties and seventy years, you know where she was, you
know, really active. She passed away before the Internet boom, and I
became familiar with her posthumously, so not even somebody who was actually able to
meet. But her story has always been compelling to me because there's nothing out
there. And I got this to Heather, and you know, she she
started making Joan come to life for me. And actually, at one point
she sending me all this information, I actually got quite emotional over it because
it's like somebody who's giving me the genealogy of a grandmother that I didn't know
existed. Because for just some reason, I've had a kinship with Joan that
are a connection that I can't explain. And hopefully Heather and I get a
chance to really sit down together and tell her story to all of you,
because I think there's just something really impactful about it. And that also happened
in twenty twenty three, as she and I had you know, the last
couple of weeks of the year. She and I really pulled it together.
She did all the work, I did some validation, I kept encouraging her,
but I gave her a mission, and my god, man, did
she just go to work and start pulling shit out of the air I hadn't
seen before with very limited information. And yes, Brian, I agree,
Heather Moser rock. She really does. And I can't wait to kind of
continue to go down some of these, you know, some of these lesser
contributors. Right. It's important to me that everybody that's been a part of
this gets a notation somewhere. And you've heard me say many times, especially
you, Matt, when it comes to myself, I'm just a footnote in
this story. This is an amazing story with tons of characters and amazing people
and places, and everybody's worthy of, you know, having notation, especially
when it comes to contributions that you know you never got recognition for. So
I'm just thinking again over the moon that Heather was able to pull all this
together and there's much more to come, but you know, publicly, I
wanted to just put a little something out there and hopefully she doesn't hit me
with a rock, because it was just I mean, honestly, she just
blew my mind. Guys. So I mean, if there was a researcher
that should that we might want to talk about, you know, chronological chronic
I can't even see the name chronicler of the year. You know, she
definitely needs to take the cake on that one. Just absolutely amazing what the
research she can do out of this world, well, especially on the property
in which she has her cabinet, and there's been a lot of creepy stuff
that's happened there, especially if you follow a wrong with it. There is
a lot of creepy stuff that's gone on there and it does leave evidence behind,
So you know, you throw your hands up in the air, going,
wow, what is happening? And I can understand with her position why
she's so enthralled and taking more of a further step into the research of this.
Also to the point that with Joan guys Jones a woman, and in
this research, the women really do get left behind, especially at that point
in time. And to have another female researcher with me that got invested in
this project and who's doing the work that very much the work Joan did,
it's kind of like seeing it come full circle and it living on through someone
else. So to me, I don't know, maybe I'm a little I
don't know. I'm a sucker for a story or sentimental or you know,
but it's just meaningful to me, and hopefully it's as meaningful to everyone else
because I can't wait to tell again, tell Joan's story for you know,
help tell Joones's story for everybody. Matt, I know there are some things
you wanted to tackle, but before we hit the brake, let's get into
them. Yeah, you know what we were we're just kind of discussing offline
here about technology. And there was a comment for one of our listeners about
you know, some people don't go into the woods with plaster. You know,
some people don't go into the woods with casting me materials. Now,
again, I don't want to discuss too much about by a small town monster
fest ordeal. When when I brought the when I brought the plastic bags with
the plaster, you know that that was a little embarrassing. But anyways,
but I do I'll bring I'll bring some plaster with me. I'll bring some
water with me. But the one thing that we've been using, and this
kind of goes into you know what we're talking about with twenty twenty three,
is you know your cell phone. I have an app called Scanaverse and both
myself and Sean have gotten this app and what it does is it's basically like
a light or app where it will give you basically that image, that depth,
every little detail about that impression that that's in the that's on the ground.
And we were playing around with it. I got some really neat ELK
tracks. I sent one to Sean during the break. But they're at the
point now where some of the higher end light R programs are being able to
be produced as a three D model. So instead of actually casting you know,
a print like we normally would, you would take a light er scan.
Now, again this is with higher end models, but I'm sure the
technology is going to catch up pretty soon and then you would be able to
put that into a computer to make a three D scan of that impression.
So that may be where the future is going. But this is something that
really came about, you know, really strong in twenty twenty three, and
it's something that as a field researcher, myself and Sean have used and it's
been fantastic. And I did have prints that I didn't have casting materials with.
I did the light ar scan and you know, it actually looked pretty
decent once it came up. So we've used this on elk print, on
Turkey print. I think the Turkey prints were the best that we've done so
far. But you know, imagine being able to take that and sink it
with a three D printer. So now you can three D print your casts
as opposed to have Now that's where it might get a little sketchy, right,
because how good is a three D print going to be able to replicate
some of those details you would get in a casting artifact. But to you
know, the point that Jay Michael made and the friend j Michael long earlier
in the chat made that not everybody carries plaster and or they carry it spilled
all over the floor of a conference. Yeah, make it judgment. I'm
just saying, you have you know, you can only carry so much of
the damn stuff before it becomes a little you know, cumbersome. Now you
have the ability to take scans and upload it and you know a little different.
And I'm sure as three D printing gets better, it will be able
to replicate those nuances that are you know, picked up in the scans.
Sure, And it also would be easier to send other people because if you
wanted someone like one of the one of the big names to look at it
and go, hey, what do you think, you could just send them
a file. And the other thing is that with sending the file, you
can also see if I altered the file, like oh, hey, I
had three dermal ridges and I doctored it. No, no, no,
this is the picture. I loaded it into a thing of a jig and
it gave me a scale model, and I made a thing, you know,
and you're you're taking all the abstraction out of it too. Sometimes when
people bring these plaster casts to you don't know what the hell you're looking at.
It's just this mass of plaster with not a lot of detailing there unless
you know what you're really looking at, you know. James Baker and I
had the you know, pleasure of way way back in the day, almost
twenty years ago, making footprint casts, not knowing what the hell we were
doing. Left the ground a little bit foot back, and we put it
in a three hundred and seventy five degree of them for forty five minutes,
like we're being at Crocker or something to dry that sucker out. And we
had people want to buy it and we were at a conference, like we
put it in the shadow box labeled Jamie Baker size twelve, and people wanted
to buy you know, they come up to us and ask, where's you
flos about this print? Well, it's it's a James Baker size twelve,
you know, taken alongside Little Bear Creek and Lacoming County. People wanted to
buy it make a print. I don't know if we still had the video
we should post it somewhere. They probably shouldn't posted. We probably shouldn't be
amazing. Then, Mike, we baked it on a on a little tray
sheet tray in my kitchen when I left over on the other side of South
wayter Sport It. Forker has never complained. You know, I've never claimed
to be anything of a track track caster, right. We don't get them
a lot here in Pennsylvania. Our soil is not really conducive to print leaving.
And the ones that I have found I never felt to be worth casting
because they've always been suspected. Me, Matt, you and I have seen
photos of summer. Some people are like, oh, those are great prints.
No they're not. There's somebody's foot or they're a bear, I don't
need to cast that to know what the hell I'm looking at. And so
you know, track casting is just not something I got into, but it
is something as again you've hear me bitch about it time and time again the
show to educate, and so Matt Baker, we might get together a weekend
and sit there and cast some feet all damn day. I don't care until
we get it right. We're not leaving until we get it they have cast
right, like we did take Meldrum's course there at the Creature weekend and he
taught us how to do it with the spray foam as well, which was
pretty cool. If you're in a hurry, Oh my god, I think
we're won the same socks the spray phone the same day well, also as
a good substitute if you're in a moment you need it a quick fix there
for its hurry foam is a lot lighter than plaster. It is it is.
But I guess the other thing that from twenty twenty three we have some
really great things coming out from technology, but then we also have the curse
the technology, and probably the biggest thing that we saw in twenty twenty three
is AI images that were coming out where people were passing everywhere. Everywhere,
they're passing photos and you're like, oh my god, it's the same exact
AI image that I saw in another photo. But the AI is getting smarter
and it's it's doing things to make the make that image look more realistic to
somebody. So we're we're getting to that point where again, the AI just
exploded this year. I think with the I think with the AI, you've
got to recognize the fact that it's gonna leave tracers. Yeah, it's like
I'm going through college and one of the things that the professors are freaking out
about is that you can have you can have an I write your paper.
The thing is, though, is when you turn the paper in, no
matter how well you do it, if you cut the paste or whatever,
there's still little tracers inside the thing that say this was clearly not written by
James, Like like, if it doesn't, if it doesn't go a half
sentence and then start a new phrase without making a period, it wasn't a
Baker paper, Okay, And you know it's it's it's it's just the newest
way that people are doing it. And in the beginning, yes, it's
gonna be hard to track, but as time goes on, you're gonna get
pictures and videos that are never gonna that are never gonna stick up. The
big thing with AI is it doesn't handle hands and feet, well, it
doesn't. And eyes and ears are actually the ears are probably one of the
biggest targets that we look at. Well it yep, as an artist and
even probably as a police officer, then you know that I in air policement,
to nose are very important, like you have to you know, That's
the one thing they taught me in drawing class first is first you make a
cross because you got to make sure that the eyes and the ears line up
to the nose being in the middle, but not too far one way or
another. Otherwise the symmetry of the face is just completely yep. But eventually
AI is starting to catch up and it's teaching itself you know through yeah just
stay yeah pretty muchin skin Yeah it's it's it's good, but it's still not
great and there's limitations. But ye, it's going to get harder as we
progress through technology. It's going to get harder to delineate the difference between a
really good video and something that's really good, really goodly, really goodly generated,
really goodly. How about that, Guys, we're in here pushing towards
the end of the hour. We've only had a footnote of some of the
things we talked about this year, you know. How about also, we
did that great series in the Swamp Ape, you know, down south.
We talked with Matt Larson, you know, who had an interesting episode on
his podcast about the Patterson film, and I would encourage people to go check
that out and listen if they can. We did have a question from Jay.
Maybe we'll use this question to wrap it up, the question from j
Michael. Other than a body, what do you guys think would be the
best evidence of bigfoot? We'll go around the horn, starting at Baker Matt
Henry Vantam will end with me. I would say, simply put is it
would be something we can duplicate. It's if you've got hair evidence or you've
got footprint evidence, we can duplicate it in the same area. Then I
would take that over a body. Matt. I concur with that. I
I agree, if you have something that you could be I think that would
satisfy the scientific community. I think that what people are looking for is they're
looking for that, you know, for that super clear picture. And again
I know there's people out there that you know, they're turning in. They're
not going out there with their guns anymore. They're going out with the telephoto
lenses and hiding in the bush trying to get a photo. It's going to
be that photo with prints, with the ability to take research researchers from whether
from a university or you know, government to that area so they can get
eyes on the creature as well well. I think if you're looking for evidence,
evidence of footprints, evidence of hair, fecal manner, if you're looking
for proof, definitely a body for sure, besides the body or henry or
a piece of a body. Okay, he's saying a hand, a foot,
a leg, the head, but he's saying like fecal matter for instance,
like I have. I was walking through my land yesterday. I had
no deer tracks, but I could see little pellets everywhere, so I know
they were there. Now when I checked my camera, there's a good chance
I'm going to see ten or twenty deer because I know that that's an area
I'm in every week. And there was a poop there last week, so
there had there been an animal. Now I can't until I don't need to
find a dead deer to prove it. I just need to prove other collaborating
evidence to say, yes, there was something here. Yeah, but we
know deer exist because we have bodies and photos and exactly and someday maybe you
know vance you know, with with all the plethora of evidence that is required
to prove that this creature is real, if we found a berry site where
there's a full skeleton, some hair, bones, dental features, I think
that's what it's going to take. I think it's gonna take more than just
one item to prove that this is in existence. I think it's gonna take
an entire skeletal remain in order to prove the existence. Because while we have
a hair here and it's primate, but we can't describe it anymore. We
have dental here, but we can't prove any more than what it is.
We have bones here. But if you put it all together into one collaborative
package altogether, I think that's what it's going to take. And you know,
we talked about this on a show a couple episodes ago. What do
they do with they're dead? Do they bury their dead? And if the
dead is buried, all that evidence is going to be in one collaborative area
and we may be able to decipher that from you. National geographic quality video
evidence from multiple angles I think is the only other acceptable thing we'd find that
could give validity because when you have it from multiple angles and multiple vantage points
and more than just ten seconds of fleeting footage, it tells a different story.
Right, you would accept that from gorillas even if before gorillas existed,
I think we would accept that. They accepted that from the billiap at first,
remember, oh yes, you caught on footage. So I think when
you have quality evidence or quality footage, that becomes a lot different because we
haven't had anything like that at all that we know of. You know,
when I've talked to Cliff Barrettman who Cliff said he's seen things out there that
other people have it because some people just don't want to put it out there
and think about that everybody's motiva by fame or fortune or whatnot. Some people
really do have a distinct moral compass that says, hey, you know what
what we would do to this entity creature being? Would be far worse by
acknowledging its existence than by just pretending it doesn't exist in general. And so
you know, there you have it. I think that would be the next
acceptable thing, something that couldn't be replicated with a costume or AI. And
you know it's not that hard. You know, no matter how good Hollywood
gets, AI looks like AI, it still looks computer generated. And becouple
that with some poop and then evidence starts stacking up. Folks, you've been
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