WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:12.519 We got someone or something crawling around out here. Does a legend walk among 2 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:21.399 us working in the forests of our world? Did you see what it was? 3 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:23.960 Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't go. All 4 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:27.079 I know is if my entre light came on and I just happened to glimp 5 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:31.239 and see this thing running across the yard, a good side man or something 6 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:39.119 works like a man. I don't know what it was. For over fifteen 7 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:44.719 years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to 8 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:51.840 gain insight and truth around the existence of this mysterious entity. Jesus Christ, 9 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:59.359 Hello, get somebody out of here. What's going to announce? There's got 10 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:02.640 a bit of about six four nine. I don't know easy, I'm me 11 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:06.760 out there. Yes, the Booker right, Oh, okay, hang on, 12 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:11.280 yeh got here, bigger? Okay? What's he doing here? Yard? 13 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:25.519 We're gonna do. Join us as we continue into the investigation of the 14 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:49.560 Sasquatch Experience. And good evening everyone, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. First 15 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.280 show for the new year. Exciting. I'm Sean the Fort Chott Forker and 16 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.000 the Center Squares. James Baker over in the corners, Mat Honor down the 17 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.599 bottom as Chatty Cathy the big Football, horny dude in the bottom corn owner 18 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:06.040 Henry the Bigfoot Encyclopedia May at Henry May on Facebook. If you folks are 19 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:07.960 looking to make a friend, he's there till the end, Heidi. Hell, 20 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:13.439 guys, it's such great night to be here and again Happy New year, 21 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:17.919 fellas. Good to see you. Happy New Year. And just so 22 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.960 you got folks out there and listener and lan believe it or not, guys, 23 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:27.759 we've got a ton of listeners tonight on Acts, a platform that I 24 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.439 thought we'd never use, but we had a great amount of listeners there in 25 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:36.879 the onslaught. It's pretty cool to see that. So excellent. We got 26 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:42.000 Vance stuck. It didn't find Worth Vance and Nesbitt. Guys. It's been 27 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:46.639 a strange year. It was a good year and thank god it's over as 28 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:51.240 we start something different, something new. Although Matt had a rough one today, 29 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:53.479 we always got to give Matt a little love and support because he's out 30 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:57.840 there doing the good work. So thank you Matt for making sure people are 31 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.520 safe out there today. It's a day I'm sure you deal with a ton 32 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:08.800 of assholes. We do. We do anytime it's a holiday. It's never 33 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:15.280 a good day when you're working, so or full moon. Full moon is 34 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:21.240 a whole different story. But yes, we we actually, yeah, we 35 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:23.719 we actually keep track of that. So our good friend, a brother from 36 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:29.000 another mother or a man in Manitoba, Corey Luckapoi saying Happy New Year's guys, 37 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:31.879 Corey, Happy New Year's to you. Agree to have you in the 38 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:36.120 chat with us, my friend, good to see you. Thanks so much 39 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.719 for tuning in. Like tonight's going to be kind of a low key night. 40 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.360 It's the twenty twenty three year in review, and we had some interesting 41 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:44.599 things to talk about from last year, guys. And I don't know if 42 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:46.759 we want to do it in any particular chronological order, and if there is 43 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:52.719 something that's stuck out to you that you thought you'd definitely want to talk about. 44 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.280 But I think the most important thing to talk about, Henry, let 45 00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:00.840 me get rid of this banner soppy people can actually see your face is the 46 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:09.520 Bigfoot times well, Bigfoot of the year now, yes, markmrcell And you 47 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:14.560 know what, I always feel like there's some contention around Bigfoot of the Year. 48 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:17.800 Somebody always gets their feelings hurt or it's kind of like, I don't 49 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:20.480 want to say it's like the oscars, but you know, there's always great 50 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:25.279 contenders for it, right no matter which way you go, somebody's going to 51 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:29.319 be disappointed. And I think Mark Marcell with the work he did in Epe 52 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:33.120 Canyon putting together the booklet Mountain Devil, he's working on a book about Ape 53 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.720 Canyon. Now, I think it was a good choice, a little unconventional, 54 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:41.279 but he really put the time, effort, and energy into going back 55 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:46.959 to one of the classic stories of Bigfoot, one of the classic encounters. 56 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:51.040 Absolutely he did a great job with it too, And I mean that's not 57 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:58.240 an easy thing to do because it's hard to get to that location. Henry. 58 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.600 My understanding is that Mark has a background and in that I want to 59 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:08.720 say surveying, but it's probably not surveying that helped him look into the landmarkings 60 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:15.720 and whatnot to to help him find the area. I believe he does had 61 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:21.720 some kind of background in that so that enabled and be able to find the 62 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:30.560 area pretty easily. And also the grandsons of some of the miners actually found 63 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.600 the long Logged Mind the vander White mine as well. Vander White, the 64 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:41.000 name of the mine where they had the encounter at Abe Canyon. So, 65 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.560 Matt, what were your thoughts on the announcement of big Foot of the Year. 66 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.079 And I'm sure you had your own list in your mind of people that 67 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:47.800 you thought might go and take it. You know what, I have my 68 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:54.879 own list, and there's people that, you know, I felt that deserved 69 00:05:54.920 --> 00:06:00.199 it. But the one thing is is in I don't I hate to say 70 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:06.160 that there's a difference between East Coast and West Coast, but you know, 71 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:12.480 like Mark Marcel, like we were aware of what was going on, but 72 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.240 man to know all the you know, like the Olympia Project people, they 73 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:19.839 knew, like all the work on the ground that he was putting in, 74 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:28.839 you know, everything entailing this big announcement about the about finding the mind. 75 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:31.240 You know, it's something that kind of lost on this because I think you're 76 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:35.319 on the East Coast, we're looking more at you know, people like Alex 77 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:41.040 Petakov, you know who's who's here on the East Coast part of small town 78 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:46.680 Monsters has been just outstanding with his field work, outstanding with his productions. 79 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:53.319 And then you have somebody else too that I thought was really well deserving of 80 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:57.680 Big fourt of the Year who just seems to be getting passed over as Todd 81 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:05.399 Prescott and Todd it does such an amazing job with his archives and yes, 82 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:11.720 and not only that, but it was it was funny during COVID, I 83 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.360 almost had the opportunity to go go out in the field with Todd, and 84 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.360 from what I understand, he is one and ten percent like in it when 85 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:24.040 when you get to the field, so you know, someone like him, 86 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.240 I you know, But then, like I said, Mark Marcella, it's 87 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.199 one of those names like oh my god, you know, like, yeah, 88 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:35.879 I completely forgot about Mark. But like I said, with what he 89 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:42.439 brought forth with a canyon is just absolutely amazing. We're gonna have him on 90 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.879 the show last year, and I don't know, for whatever reason, the 91 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.319 signals got switched up and we never did bring him in, but I think 92 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.639 we'll have to do that now that he's the Bigfoot of the Year. Some 93 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:56.600 other names that were floated around, David Sheeley, you know, kind of 94 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.399 a self nomination. If anybody reads the Bigfoot Times newsletter Bigfoot Times dot net, 95 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.120 go and subscribe, get yourself a physical newsletter that comes in the mail. 96 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:11.639 It's fantastic. I would it every month and I didn't have that. 97 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:18.240 Tom Seawood also nominated himself for Bigfoot of the Year, and so there you 98 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.920 have that. We have people self nominating, which is okay, you think 99 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.879 you've done the work by all means, but Matt that you mentioned it. 100 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.920 Todd Prescott was another name that was mentioned on the list. I don't know 101 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:37.279 if you read it in advance or I've known Todd for many years and such 102 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.759 a good guys had a negative interaction with Todd. He's got such a good 103 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:46.919 energy, good musician too, So you can't take that away from But Bigfoot 104 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:48.240 of the Year always comes with that's a little bit of controversy. But we're 105 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.039 glad one was announced again. If you're just joining ash Mark Marcell Bigfoot of 106 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:58.039 the Year, as stated by the Bigfoot Times Daniel Perez, they're pretty cool. 107 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:07.159 James Baker says, the one list you'll want to be on. There 108 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.399 are many you don't, but that's when you want to do. But guys, 109 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.679 i'd be remiss to say if you know another big event that was kind 110 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:22.879 of it was It lasted longer than I thought it would have, but it 111 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:26.519 had a really quick and impact or had a really quick impact. Was that 112 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:35.200 Colorado train footage? Yes, yes, that was on my list talking about 113 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.840 tonight too. Yeah, well go ahead, man, bring it up. 114 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:43.200 Let's talk about you know what without really going too much in depth on it, 115 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:48.240 because everyone pretty much is aware of the Colorado train footage. It was 116 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:54.360 shown on national news. It was always you know, people are coming out 117 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.840 of the woodwork saying, oh, this is a real thing. No, 118 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:03.639 it's a hoax. But the one thing is is that it did show nine 119 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:09.720 percent solidarity in the Bigfoot community online people in real life saying now, this 120 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:16.159 was a hoax, which I to be honest, I think there should be 121 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.600 a little bit of pride in the in the Bigfoot community for that, for 122 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.720 standing up to that and saying, hey, you know this thing is not 123 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.720 you know what we think is so I do you know, I do give 124 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:33.200 credit to the community at large for kind of you know, looking at that 125 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.639 and calling out for what it was. It took about two days, three 126 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:43.639 days for us to really kind of get you know, a good you look 127 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:48.840 at that video after it was initially released the same yeah, yeah, this 128 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:54.559 isn't. But I'm glad for that because a lot of times we embrace I'm 129 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.879 gonna use the word shit, but we embrace it, and we embrace stuff 130 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.559 that we should never do. And then what happens two weeks later, It's 131 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.960 on every news channel and we we're sent back five years as being idiots, 132 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.440 you know, instead of you know, I'm either for the science. I've 133 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:15.320 already told you my opinion. It's either really intelligent or it doesn't exist. 134 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.320 But when you have people that run around and then you'll have twenty and then 135 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:24.080 every county has fourteen sightings because they watched ABC News, can't help yeap. 136 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:30.159 You know, we're gonna get a snippet of that in the news tonight or 137 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.480 the shit that the big Foot bullhorn tonight. Vance puts a little news segment 138 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.480 in there, very relative to the things we're talking about here this evening. 139 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.720 But no, James, I really agree and everything you've all said so far, 140 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.360 we took it down quick as a community, and that was a really 141 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.360 good thing. But I think the one thing that I was even prouder of 142 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:54.480 was we really kept digging and going into details. That's what it was going 143 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.799 on. I see Matt laughing, and I see Baker with this devilish look. 144 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.600 Vance what's your thought on all this? The train, the Colorado Free 145 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:09.919 In my first take was it was just a hoax for promotion, and that's 146 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:16.159 how I take it. And I think it made itself very visible for those 147 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:20.360 on the train and then sat down and squatted in the bushes to pretend like 148 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:26.279 it's hiding. But that's my tool. No. I mean, I think 149 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.200 when you look at it from a context point of view, you were spot 150 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:33.320 on the money long lasting, it was not, but we were able to 151 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.799 get some I think, connect some dots and find out who was really sort 152 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.279 of find out who is responsible for I don't think it's been concretely proven yet, 153 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.919 but we have a good idea that it was done by a marketing outfit 154 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.080 out there, by one of those RV RVs. So Baker, don't give 155 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.159 them any of your money this year, you know, find somebody to get 156 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:56.200 an RV from. We're buying the Bigfoot wagon next year, telling you bigfoot 157 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:05.600 shagging wagon folks. That's where we're at ritable. Oh my gosh, Henry, 158 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:07.759 what else has been out there with you? Man? What do you 159 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:09.759 think? What twenty twenty three? What was the big Henry May moment? 160 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:22.960 Oh goodness, Well, I think the biggest moment was the announcement by Darby 161 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:31.919 Orcutt that he is receiving DNA. He he's open to receiving DNA samples, 162 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:39.399 he by fines. Now, of course Todd Disstel is also of course testing 163 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:46.320 DNA as well. No, I think that's a good point that you bring 164 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.799 that up, Henry, that I think Todd Distel has never stopped accepting DNA 165 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:54.679 samples. Right, we just wit talking about doctor Disstel, But you got 166 00:13:54.679 --> 00:14:01.279 a university backing this and actively engaging in the collection of some information. I 167 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:05.120 think that's pretty cool. Matt. You were pretty big on that announcement too. 168 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.919 I was, and obviously coming back from having the back of the North 169 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:16.360 Carolina state, you really lend some credence to the you know, to the 170 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:24.799 study. Hearing the doctor on another podcast there, when the people receive the 171 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:31.679 or when people send the DNA samples out, they are going to receive at 172 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:39.200 some point, you know, what they basically what they have sent in an 173 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.519 analysis of that DNA. So even if they brought something in and they weren't 174 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:48.000 sure of it, maybe it could be something that they don't that they've never 175 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:52.320 seen before. Well, if it comes back as maybe, uh, you 176 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:56.440 know, wolf DNA or bear DNA, they're going to get that. They're 177 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.080 still gonna I believe they're gonna hold onto samples, which is a big positive. 178 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:07.120 So, you know, being able to actually have a catalog and have 179 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:15.960 a chain of custody for that particular item done in a university level is extremely 180 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.559 important because I know other DNA studies that people send stuff in and they never 181 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.240 got anything in return, and you know, they may have never found out 182 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.120 what that particularly was. No, And I think that's a great point you 183 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.399 make there too, Matt, with the chain of custody and the logging of 184 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.200 said information. I've sent stuff out in the mail before. I told you 185 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.840 I sent stuff to doctor Jeff Meldrema and lost it in mail, sent it 186 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.600 signature and everything, and it never made it to its source. But that 187 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.440 doesn't have to be anything conspiratorial, folks. Shit gets lost in the mail 188 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:50.639 all the time. But it is, you know, a good point when 189 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.399 you're talking about Evan's collection, and you know, if somebody out there gives 190 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.120 them the recognition they need for actually being the person to collect the good the 191 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.519 good data, right, that's pretty great. Van, You got an opinion 192 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:07.159 on the DNA collection. Well, look the plethora of DNA collection. Some 193 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.679 of it has turned out to be so damn complicated we can't figure it out. 194 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:18.600 And others it comes back of unknown origin. It's like you throw your 195 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.120 arms up in the air. It's like, please make a decision. Well, 196 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:27.159 I again, with nothing to type against an unknown specimen. You could 197 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:32.559 group all these unknown specimens together and look for commonalities. Right, what's the 198 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:34.480 commonality? But still, until the end of the day, you have something 199 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.720 to butt it up against that say, here it is with one hundred percent 200 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.600 beyond a shadow of it out, not a reasonable doubt beyond a shadow of 201 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.039 it out. These two things are alike and they are the same. That's 202 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:49.360 a big difference. That's a whole another story. Even if it came back 203 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:55.799 as well, this is a primary hair, just a primate hair. Just 204 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.720 give me that. Okay, that gives us something to work with. But 205 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.519 it doesn't even come back as that. And I think there has to be 206 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:08.319 some more clarification or more pressing for clarification. So when we just take it 207 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.039 that information out in somebody posts, oh it's just an unknown primate, we 208 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.920 should be pressing back. Well, what are the markers, what's it closer 209 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.480 to, what's it closest to in terms of the primate family. Well, 210 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.799 I mean we're a bunch of damn dirty abes too, so we're you know, 211 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.000 where does it fall in in perspective to us? So there's a lot 212 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.799 more questions we could ask, But here's the bottom line. As a research 213 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.599 community, we're kind of stupid. We don't go out of our way to 214 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:41.079 educate ourselves and improve ourselves and in a necessary way to have those conversations. 215 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:45.640 That's why we need folks to speak on our behalf that do have that education 216 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:49.279 and credential. I'm never going to be, you know, a speaker of 217 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.960 the bigfoot house, you know, rubbing elbows with the scientists. That's just 218 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.680 not my forte. You know, I'm a plain spoken man. God, 219 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.240 I just almost call myself the George Bush or Bigfooters. But you know, 220 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.799 just plain spoken and that's all right. But you know, when it comes 221 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.799 to dealing with this on an academic level, people really know what they need 222 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.200 to know what the hell they're talking about, and we just haven't done a 223 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.319 you know, we're weekend warriors for the most part. You have a few 224 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.160 out there that are becoming really a little bit more professional. But unless you 225 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:25.400 really are a professional dialed into this and your speciality is maybe DNA not anatomy 226 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:30.440 in physiology, you know, it's a different story. But that's just my 227 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.640 two cents, Matt, did you have a rebuttal or a pine on that. 228 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:45.119 I don't. Again, I think that the other thing too is with 229 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:49.440 the study, it's not going to be something where they're able to get analysis 230 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:59.000 done and say this is definitely an unknown primid or known harmited. Basically, 231 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:03.559 this is going to take year So we may be looking at two, three, 232 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:10.680 four years before we get that big nugget of big news coming from this. 233 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:14.240 And I'm sure that they are going to be getting a lot of samples 234 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:21.240 that are going to be misidentified, not from the university or from the people 235 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.359 doing the analysis, but possibly from those in the field. And again that 236 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:30.599 happens, you know again that there could be something there that you know, 237 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:36.559 the field researcher may not have been aware of in that particular area. But 238 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:42.079 but again it's gonna take I think a good solid two years before we you 239 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:48.079 know, we get that big yes there's something or no, there's nothing here. 240 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.599 But even if they even if they find that they find a sample, 241 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:57.720 let's say is an ape like creature, there's also then have to investigate that 242 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:03.039 point to find out out what's going on, because there's going to be that 243 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.920 twenty percent of people that are gonna send gonna go to the zoom, cut 244 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:10.519 a chimp's hair and throw it in a bag and just to screw with them. 245 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:12.160 So, I mean, before you know, it's kind of like we 246 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:15.359 talk about some other people that are on you know, different things, like 247 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:19.599 you have to confirm enough to be able to say this, okay, not 248 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.920 only is an unknown ap but it's from a credible source. Yes, you 249 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.720 know so, and that's where your two years is coming in. It's not 250 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.480 as much like they can't throw it through you know, you watch NCIS, 251 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:34.359 so like five minutes later they know they know the exactly who the guy is, 252 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:38.960 yes, but they also have twenty seven pieces of information and also tie 253 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.920 him to being there. Yep, you know. And I do think that 254 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:52.079 once the once they do get some positive analysis, they're probably gonna start getting 255 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.880 the research at that point and going back in. If you get a certain 256 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.480 individual that says, hey, you know, I was out in the algai 257 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:04.599 National Forest or I was up in you know, West Virginia, and I 258 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:10.279 got the sample and alone, behold you you find out that the guy never 259 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:14.920 left the city of Philadelphia, you know, and probably went down to the 260 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.039 to the zoo. You know. Then Okay, I could you know, 261 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.359 I could see, you know, the questions being being thrown at them. 262 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:27.920 But you do have some very good field researchers that have already been submitting samples. 263 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:33.559 So I think there's a lot of people, you know, in the 264 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:41.359 Naywak Group area X, I think have probably began submitting I know that they 265 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.680 had been talking about it, and you know, just researchers, good field 266 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:52.559 researchers throughout the country. Yeah, that had evidence, and we're planning on 267 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:57.839 submitting it well. And the waiting game is okay by me because I can't 268 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:03.720 get any you can't get any more frustrating than what it is. We just 269 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:07.079 have to be patient and wait. But you know, even with the you 270 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.839 know, the emergence of the using e DNA right to you know, new 271 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:18.359 types of samples, that's a lot of sifting and you know, collected information 272 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:23.559 to hopefully get something that is I really even though it's really cool and we 273 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:29.200 have that capability, it's very, very difficult to get something tangible from that. 274 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:30.720 I feel like it was a glimmer of hope for all of us. 275 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.880 And if you do an expedition Bigfoot and everybody gets excited, and then when 276 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:37.559 people actually start talking about how the hell it really works, it's like a 277 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:41.519 big kick in the balls. Oh that was great, and uh wow, 278 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:45.000 I see that. I see that at work all the time. We got 279 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:49.400 a new guy and he's really interested in, you know, in the stuff 280 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:53.559 that I do, and and you know he's thinking that it's all, you 281 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:57.720 know, everything you see on TV is is what happens. You send you 282 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:02.440 send things in. There's crime lab, you know, attached to your apartment. 283 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:06.200 You could go right there now. I mean I got to drive it 284 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.480 up to, you know, a laboratory. It's an hour and a half 285 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:15.880 away. You know, I sign all sorts of chain of custody paperwork on 286 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.240 it. I have to make sure that everything is submitted the correct way, 287 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.240 and then from there they do their thing. And when you do get the 288 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:29.000 results back, oh my god. You know, it's it's almost like you 289 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.559 need a PhD just to read it. But I think that goes to Baker's 290 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.079 point, where you know, you have that Hollywood idea in your head of 291 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:40.039 the NCI as you take it down to the lady in the basement and she's 292 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.200 going to run it through all these high tech machines. Then no local police 293 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:47.440 department can afford. But you know most people don't have You got to take 294 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:51.680 it somewhere and get it tested. So there's an unrealistic expectation about how that 295 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:56.000 all comes to fruition as well. It's actually something that we deal with in 296 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.680 mind line and work and when we take a case to a jury trial, 297 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.960 and we call it the CSI effect. And for those people in law enforcement 298 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:10.799 that are that are listening, the CSI effect has been been ongoing for probably 299 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.680 the last twenty years, where you know, they'll people ask, well, 300 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:18.200 why didn't you get a fingerprint off of off this particular right, and well, 301 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:23.519 you know, prints could be there, but for them to be developed 302 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:29.480 and for them to be you know, processed, it may not be able 303 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.559 to you know, be to fruition. So you know, we get that 304 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:37.799 quite a bit from from jury's so it's something that we have to deal with, 305 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.119 but it's also something that we as a big for community need to deal 306 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:45.559 with as well, because of the family. That's a good point. You 307 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.079 know, when you hit when your fingerprinted, which I have been sorry to 308 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:53.720 say, we can grab the thumb. The officer will grab the thumb and 309 00:24:55.000 --> 00:25:00.359 roll it across the ink pad. But that's not how fingerprint and prints are 310 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:06.799 left. Naturally. You might only have a partial of a fingerprint that's not 311 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:11.359 conclusive enough to evidence. Now, we would actually need a certain amount of 312 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:17.400 what we call points identifying points from that in order to make an identification, 313 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:21.759 and there's a sets standard for that. But yeah, I mean I was 314 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:27.599 doing Layton prints today and you know what I ended up having to deal with 315 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:33.359 was people were overlaying their fingerprints over the print that I wanted, and so 316 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:38.920 it was impossible for us to to actually an identifiable print. So now you 317 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:42.519 look at that in terms of the bigfoot community, you know, what can 318 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.640 you learn from that? Well, you know, the one thing is is 319 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:51.359 if you if you see a possible handprint. You know a lot of people 320 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:56.359 talk about handprints on cars car windows, just don't touch it, you know, 321 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.279 like stay away from it. You know, wait till you have everything 322 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:06.880 there to collect it to And why I say collected it's not just you know, 323 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:11.240 taking taking powder to it and lifting it, but actually photographing it, 324 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.960 you know, getting the measurements from it, because that all helps. And 325 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.039 again this is something that that could be transferred over to the to the big 326 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.759 foot community, you know, and take your time with it. I think 327 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:29.319 what everybody forgets is a simple point is is like and I'm sure you see 328 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.599 a lot of it. That is it's the moment, yes, you you 329 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.839 see all these things. And I'll just say you say, you say you 330 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:41.720 see bigfoot touch a tree and you're just over there standing around the tree and 331 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:47.519 you're touching the tree and you're whatever. You're not helping, you're just screwing 332 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:52.039 up more evidence because now your fingerprints are meshed with this other one. And 333 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.400 maybe maybe you're a shudder or a secrete or whatever they call it, you 334 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.319 know, so you're leaving stuff all over the place, and like because you 335 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:06.880 spit when you talk and you're really excited or you know, and you just 336 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:10.400 wipe the print away. So and the thing is what it is. It's 337 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.880 even in your thing. If someone got let's go, for instance, there 338 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:17.400 was a body in a car. Whoever opens the door to get the body 339 00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:21.200 might not be a police officers that trained to glove up. It might be 340 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.920 it might be his mom going, oh my god, Joey might be alive. 341 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:29.000 And they own the body and they move and they touch the steering wheel 342 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.000 to try to get a better access to check whether his neck is good and 343 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:36.039 stuff. So like you have like and I know they have like a way 344 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:37.680 to test whose prints or whatever, and they have that. But at the 345 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.839 same time is while she's checking the neck, maybe there was a really good 346 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:48.119 print here from the killer. Well now it's gone. Well, you know, 347 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.799 that is a good point. But the one thing that like, especially 348 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:59.440 for going out into the field is if you see a print, the biggest 349 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.400 thing is the biggest mystique I see people do is when they see prints, 350 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.039 they try to touch it, you know, they try to even just to 351 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:11.920 pad it. Do not do that, because there have been prints that I 352 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.920 believe Cliff Barackman was saying that he is a print in one of his collections 353 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:22.480 where somebody went in put their finger into into the impression and you could actually 354 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:30.680 see the finger impression within the foot impression. So you're not getting that natural 355 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:36.200 perspective of that of that impression because you know, somebody put their you know, 356 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.880 went to see, yeah, this is three times bigger than my hand, 357 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:42.519 so it ought to be that, and then they touched the print. 358 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:45.680 Thank I got to stop us here for a minute, folks. You're listening 359 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:52.240 to the Sasquatch Experience Sasquatch Experience on Facebook or Instagram Squatch exp on x and 360 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.039 we're also on Twitch Sasquatch Experience. Folks. We've got to step back and 361 00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.960 take our breaks here. When we come back, we'll continue this discussion, 362 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.200 which we should now name Sasquatch Experience How to Hide the Evidence Edition with Jame 363 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:11.160 Baker Harner Fear. It's a great show so far, folks. 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Wow, quite 381 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:56.839 a spicy way of kicking things off, only cow Welcome to the very first 382 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:03.359 square on your brand new calendar. This is the Bigfoot Bullhorn, exclusively on 383 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:08.920 the Sasquatch experience, and let's kick things off by how the year ended in 384 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:18.160 twenty three going to December twenty eighth. Out of winter Green, Virginia is 385 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.519 Bigfoot real or not, we may never know. But here's how the news 386 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:27.960 report went Surprize surprise, Some bigfoot sightings in winter Green have been debunked. 387 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.559 According to police, it was someone who was having a laugh and wanted the 388 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:37.359 quote to create a little lighthearted conversation. As for whether there really is a 389 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.599 bigfoot anywhere else, we're just going to say, amateur sasquatch seekers always hope 390 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:47.240 something BIG's afoot. Well, that laugh, I never want to hear that 391 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:52.200 laugh again. Thank you. There were many sightings in winter Green of a 392 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.680 large, hairy figure on the mountain and in wooded areas and even on ring 393 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:05.200 cameras. Now I have forwarded the photograph that ABC three News used to clickbait 394 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:10.880 you into this story. The photograph, my opinion, looks Legit looks like 395 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.359 it could be a bigfoot, definitely not a dude in the suit. However, 396 00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:22.839 they did post one other picture that is completely different of an individual clearly 397 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:28.079 in a costume, obscured by property, fences and trees and is out of 398 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.400 focus. See this is what they do. Now. The report goes on 399 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:37.559 to say these bigfoot sightings were staged, according to the Winter Green Police Department. 400 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:44.640 Now winter Green, Virginia is located south southwest of the Shenandoah National Forest 401 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:52.559 and due west of winter Green, Virginia is the George Washington Jefferson National Forest 402 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:59.160 in the mountains. Seems like a habitat place to me that a bigfoot might 403 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:04.519 be stomped around. I don't know. This is Virginia. Crazy things happened 404 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.519 there. But why do I bring all this up? Well, let's go 405 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.160 on with the news story. Chief Dennis Russell said they got a small handful 406 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.599 of calls about it. It was just I guess, maybe something that maybe 407 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:20.880 got out of hand, but it was all fun and games. Russell said 408 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.799 the Bigfoot impostors stopped when he found out people were taking it more seriously than 409 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:31.319 expected. I think he just wanted to maybe elevate people's happiness during the holiday 410 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:36.559 season, he said. He said there was nothing criminal to it. I 411 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:40.160 believe most people ninety nine percent knew that it was all in jest, because, 412 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:45.519 let's be honest, Bigfoot in Winter Green, he wouldn't come here, 413 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.319 he said, with a laugh. Russell said they didn't have to tell him 414 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.960 to stop, but he thinks he realized on his own notice they use the 415 00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:59.680 word he thinks he realized on his own. The police department never had a 416 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.599 kind with this individual. There's no names put out there. He did clearly 417 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:07.880 state there was nothing criminal about this, but they're convinced it was a hoax 418 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:15.039 without talking to the person that perpetrated this hoax. It was something people were 419 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:21.079 thinking was more than what it was. Again, it's quite possible this is 420 00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.400 a primarya for a bigfoot to be sighted. And I'm wondering who is more 421 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:30.039 guilty here. If it was an impostor wearing a costume, Okay, so 422 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.199 be it. We don't like cultures, but so be it. But then 423 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:40.320 I see ABC three News doing the same thing by using this ring camera photo 424 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:47.559 of something that looks legitimate and something that is clearly just yes. When we 425 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.280 come back, Hey, Washington State's going to kick off this year, and 426 00:34:52.440 --> 00:35:01.719 it's going to be really interesting to see how this goes down. You're listening 427 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:19.000 to the Sasquatch experience. Are you a vegan who just misses the entire meat 428 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.119 eating process? Do you crave not just the juicy taste of dead flesh, 429 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.239 but want to be part of the medieval tradition of killing it? Well, 430 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:34.199 come on down to Vick Vegan Slaughterhouse. 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It happens on Friday January twenty six from 440 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:47.119 four pm to eight pm and Saturday, January twenty seventh from ten am to 441 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:54.199 eight pm. This year's world renowned speakers will be Cliff Barrickman, who's been 442 00:36:54.239 --> 00:37:00.559 on the Sasquatch Experience, Shane Corson, who's gonna be on the side Sasquatch 443 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:07.599 Experience and doctor Jeff Meldrum will try to get on the Sasquatch Experience along with 444 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:13.119 Ken Gerhard, Matt Pruitt, and Michael Freeman. The event will be held 445 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:19.719 at Cowlitz County Events Center, which is located at nineteen hundred seventh Avenue in 446 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.599 Longview, Washington. For more information on ticket prices, just go to Washington 447 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:30.920 Bigfoot dot com. Thanks again for listening to this edition of The Bigfoot Bullhorn 448 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:37.239 exclusively on the Sasquatch Experience, and from all of us at the Sasquatch Experience, 449 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:44.639 we wish you a safe and secure twenty twenty four and as always, 450 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:58.840 everybody keep your toe in the mind. Well that was a spicy news segment. 451 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.880 I didn't know we did kick off with that shocker looking for We're going 452 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:06.559 to have to call ourselves a new type of show here. I'm not even 453 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.079 going to say what I was going to say because my grandma might be watching. 454 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:13.639 Happy birthday, Grandma. We we love you, No, folks, 455 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:22.159 I agree with you. I can't stand these reporters. I just want to 456 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:29.519 punch you in the face. Oh fascinate the asparagus, kill the broccoli. 457 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.639 You've got a lot of people here that are willing to go to Vick's Vegan 458 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:37.840 Slaughterhouse with you. I like a nice cauliflower as a side dish, not 459 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:45.880 a main course. You know, I'm a meat eater. I'm afraid I 460 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:52.000 think I think the use of the cucumber may get out of hand. You 461 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.840 got to use the creeter and cucumber all in one evening, Folks, if 462 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.920 you haven't been using your James Baker bingo, tonight's the night you win the 463 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:06.000 jackpot. Folks. You're listening to the Sasquad experience here on the second part 464 00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:07.639 of the show, Sean Forker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Van z 465 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.079 Nesbitt, and Henry May down the corner. It's like Hollywood Squares, but 466 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.519 with all the empty spots, and some of us are actually funny. Not 467 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:21.960 me, but James Baker. You know, I want to add to the 468 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:27.400 entire conversation of what we were talking about Researchers of the Year. I have 469 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:35.079 been completely enveloped in watching a lot of the research that goes on that's posted 470 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:42.559 on YouTube. I have to give kudos to Alexander Pettakoff, and to Eli 471 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:47.559 Watson, and to Seth Breedlow I mean, these guys are putting themselves into 472 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:53.159 places all over the country to do the research that is necessary. And I 473 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:58.920 want to give those three at least, you know, I'll put them up 474 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.800 on the pedestal to say, you know what, they're putting money and the 475 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:08.679 efforting for all of this, and I think that that research is definitely a 476 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:15.800 double thumbs a double enthusiastic thumbs up for all three of those gentlemen. Yeah. 477 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.760 No, I think they're all you know, worthy names that you've mentioned, 478 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.599 people out there doing the work. I think, yeah, you know, 479 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:25.519 here's the problem. I've been working with Heather Moser on a project offline, 480 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:32.559 off the public radar about discussing researchers that have been in this for a 481 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:36.880 long time that have gotten no recognition whatsoever. And there have been so many 482 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.000 over the years who have been left behind for reasons sometimes we just can't explain. 483 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.440 But for Joan Jeffers personally, for me, because she was a PA 484 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:51.480 researcher and so tight to the early parts, tied to Stan Gordon and doctor 485 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:57.920 Paul Johnson, she's been forgotten about in Pennsylvania and actually just UFO Bigfoot history 486 00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.400 in general, and it's quite sad because she was a maze your contributor in 487 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:05.039 those fifties, sixties and seventy years, you know where she was, you 488 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.519 know, really active. She passed away before the Internet boom, and I 489 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.519 became familiar with her posthumously, so not even somebody who was actually able to 490 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.519 meet. But her story has always been compelling to me because there's nothing out 491 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:21.159 there. And I got this to Heather, and you know, she she 492 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.480 started making Joan come to life for me. And actually, at one point 493 00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:28.679 she sending me all this information, I actually got quite emotional over it because 494 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.400 it's like somebody who's giving me the genealogy of a grandmother that I didn't know 495 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:36.840 existed. Because for just some reason, I've had a kinship with Joan that 496 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:40.119 are a connection that I can't explain. And hopefully Heather and I get a 497 00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.239 chance to really sit down together and tell her story to all of you, 498 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:49.280 because I think there's just something really impactful about it. And that also happened 499 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.599 in twenty twenty three, as she and I had you know, the last 500 00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.519 couple of weeks of the year. She and I really pulled it together. 501 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.320 She did all the work, I did some validation, I kept encouraging her, 502 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:00.800 but I gave her a mission, and my god, man, did 503 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.199 she just go to work and start pulling shit out of the air I hadn't 504 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.800 seen before with very limited information. And yes, Brian, I agree, 505 00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:14.679 Heather Moser rock. She really does. And I can't wait to kind of 506 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:19.360 continue to go down some of these, you know, some of these lesser 507 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.360 contributors. Right. It's important to me that everybody that's been a part of 508 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.280 this gets a notation somewhere. And you've heard me say many times, especially 509 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:30.960 you, Matt, when it comes to myself, I'm just a footnote in 510 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:37.079 this story. This is an amazing story with tons of characters and amazing people 511 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.880 and places, and everybody's worthy of, you know, having notation, especially 512 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.679 when it comes to contributions that you know you never got recognition for. So 513 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.239 I'm just thinking again over the moon that Heather was able to pull all this 514 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.960 together and there's much more to come, but you know, publicly, I 515 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.639 wanted to just put a little something out there and hopefully she doesn't hit me 516 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.440 with a rock, because it was just I mean, honestly, she just 517 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:06.400 blew my mind. Guys. So I mean, if there was a researcher 518 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:10.719 that should that we might want to talk about, you know, chronological chronic 519 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.000 I can't even see the name chronicler of the year. You know, she 520 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.440 definitely needs to take the cake on that one. Just absolutely amazing what the 521 00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:23.280 research she can do out of this world, well, especially on the property 522 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:28.719 in which she has her cabinet, and there's been a lot of creepy stuff 523 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.039 that's happened there, especially if you follow a wrong with it. There is 524 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:38.320 a lot of creepy stuff that's gone on there and it does leave evidence behind, 525 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:43.079 So you know, you throw your hands up in the air, going, 526 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:49.880 wow, what is happening? And I can understand with her position why 527 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:55.840 she's so enthralled and taking more of a further step into the research of this. 528 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.599 Also to the point that with Joan guys Jones a woman, and in 529 00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:06.320 this research, the women really do get left behind, especially at that point 530 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:12.079 in time. And to have another female researcher with me that got invested in 531 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:16.039 this project and who's doing the work that very much the work Joan did, 532 00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:21.159 it's kind of like seeing it come full circle and it living on through someone 533 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:22.639 else. So to me, I don't know, maybe I'm a little I 534 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:28.199 don't know. I'm a sucker for a story or sentimental or you know, 535 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.880 but it's just meaningful to me, and hopefully it's as meaningful to everyone else 536 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:36.239 because I can't wait to tell again, tell Joan's story for you know, 537 00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.360 help tell Joones's story for everybody. Matt, I know there are some things 538 00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:42.599 you wanted to tackle, but before we hit the brake, let's get into 539 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.239 them. Yeah, you know what we were we're just kind of discussing offline 540 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:52.800 here about technology. And there was a comment for one of our listeners about 541 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.920 you know, some people don't go into the woods with plaster. You know, 542 00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.320 some people don't go into the woods with casting me materials. Now, 543 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.159 again, I don't want to discuss too much about by a small town monster 544 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.760 fest ordeal. When when I brought the when I brought the plastic bags with 545 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:15.800 the plaster, you know that that was a little embarrassing. But anyways, 546 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:20.119 but I do I'll bring I'll bring some plaster with me. I'll bring some 547 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.119 water with me. But the one thing that we've been using, and this 548 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:29.039 kind of goes into you know what we're talking about with twenty twenty three, 549 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:35.440 is you know your cell phone. I have an app called Scanaverse and both 550 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:42.159 myself and Sean have gotten this app and what it does is it's basically like 551 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:50.000 a light or app where it will give you basically that image, that depth, 552 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:57.000 every little detail about that impression that that's in the that's on the ground. 553 00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:01.400 And we were playing around with it. I got some really neat ELK 554 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.519 tracks. I sent one to Sean during the break. But they're at the 555 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:12.800 point now where some of the higher end light R programs are being able to 556 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:21.000 be produced as a three D model. So instead of actually casting you know, 557 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.639 a print like we normally would, you would take a light er scan. 558 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:28.119 Now, again this is with higher end models, but I'm sure the 559 00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.480 technology is going to catch up pretty soon and then you would be able to 560 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:37.719 put that into a computer to make a three D scan of that impression. 561 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.679 So that may be where the future is going. But this is something that 562 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:47.000 really came about, you know, really strong in twenty twenty three, and 563 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:52.880 it's something that as a field researcher, myself and Sean have used and it's 564 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:58.440 been fantastic. And I did have prints that I didn't have casting materials with. 565 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:05.519 I did the light ar scan and you know, it actually looked pretty 566 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.679 decent once it came up. So we've used this on elk print, on 567 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.239 Turkey print. I think the Turkey prints were the best that we've done so 568 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:15.639 far. But you know, imagine being able to take that and sink it 569 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.039 with a three D printer. So now you can three D print your casts 570 00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.280 as opposed to have Now that's where it might get a little sketchy, right, 571 00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:27.280 because how good is a three D print going to be able to replicate 572 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.519 some of those details you would get in a casting artifact. But to you 573 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:35.639 know, the point that Jay Michael made and the friend j Michael long earlier 574 00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:39.760 in the chat made that not everybody carries plaster and or they carry it spilled 575 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.480 all over the floor of a conference. Yeah, make it judgment. I'm 576 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:47.480 just saying, you have you know, you can only carry so much of 577 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:52.559 the damn stuff before it becomes a little you know, cumbersome. Now you 578 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.480 have the ability to take scans and upload it and you know a little different. 579 00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:59.320 And I'm sure as three D printing gets better, it will be able 580 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.880 to replicate those nuances that are you know, picked up in the scans. 581 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.239 Sure, And it also would be easier to send other people because if you 582 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:12.519 wanted someone like one of the one of the big names to look at it 583 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.320 and go, hey, what do you think, you could just send them 584 00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:17.679 a file. And the other thing is that with sending the file, you 585 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:21.719 can also see if I altered the file, like oh, hey, I 586 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.199 had three dermal ridges and I doctored it. No, no, no, 587 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:30.599 this is the picture. I loaded it into a thing of a jig and 588 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.199 it gave me a scale model, and I made a thing, you know, 589 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.639 and you're you're taking all the abstraction out of it too. Sometimes when 590 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.000 people bring these plaster casts to you don't know what the hell you're looking at. 591 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:45.320 It's just this mass of plaster with not a lot of detailing there unless 592 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.159 you know what you're really looking at, you know. James Baker and I 593 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.960 had the you know, pleasure of way way back in the day, almost 594 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.800 twenty years ago, making footprint casts, not knowing what the hell we were 595 00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.360 doing. Left the ground a little bit foot back, and we put it 596 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.960 in a three hundred and seventy five degree of them for forty five minutes, 597 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.920 like we're being at Crocker or something to dry that sucker out. And we 598 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.760 had people want to buy it and we were at a conference, like we 599 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.239 put it in the shadow box labeled Jamie Baker size twelve, and people wanted 600 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.199 to buy you know, they come up to us and ask, where's you 601 00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.760 flos about this print? Well, it's it's a James Baker size twelve, 602 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.920 you know, taken alongside Little Bear Creek and Lacoming County. People wanted to 603 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.639 buy it make a print. I don't know if we still had the video 604 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:36.079 we should post it somewhere. They probably shouldn't posted. We probably shouldn't be 605 00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.840 amazing. Then, Mike, we baked it on a on a little tray 606 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:44.800 sheet tray in my kitchen when I left over on the other side of South 607 00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:50.000 wayter Sport It. Forker has never complained. You know, I've never claimed 608 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.000 to be anything of a track track caster, right. We don't get them 609 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.960 a lot here in Pennsylvania. Our soil is not really conducive to print leaving. 610 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.960 And the ones that I have found I never felt to be worth casting 611 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:06.239 because they've always been suspected. Me, Matt, you and I have seen 612 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:08.039 photos of summer. Some people are like, oh, those are great prints. 613 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.920 No they're not. There's somebody's foot or they're a bear, I don't 614 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:15.800 need to cast that to know what the hell I'm looking at. And so 615 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.679 you know, track casting is just not something I got into, but it 616 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.800 is something as again you've hear me bitch about it time and time again the 617 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.800 show to educate, and so Matt Baker, we might get together a weekend 618 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.480 and sit there and cast some feet all damn day. I don't care until 619 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.360 we get it right. We're not leaving until we get it they have cast 620 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:39.320 right, like we did take Meldrum's course there at the Creature weekend and he 621 00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:43.880 taught us how to do it with the spray foam as well, which was 622 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.119 pretty cool. If you're in a hurry, Oh my god, I think 623 00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:52.880 we're won the same socks the spray phone the same day well, also as 624 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.679 a good substitute if you're in a moment you need it a quick fix there 625 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.039 for its hurry foam is a lot lighter than plaster. It is it is. 626 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:07.960 But I guess the other thing that from twenty twenty three we have some 627 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.519 really great things coming out from technology, but then we also have the curse 628 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:17.039 the technology, and probably the biggest thing that we saw in twenty twenty three 629 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:22.960 is AI images that were coming out where people were passing everywhere. Everywhere, 630 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:29.199 they're passing photos and you're like, oh my god, it's the same exact 631 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:36.840 AI image that I saw in another photo. But the AI is getting smarter 632 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:44.920 and it's it's doing things to make the make that image look more realistic to 633 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:50.480 somebody. So we're we're getting to that point where again, the AI just 634 00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.960 exploded this year. I think with the I think with the AI, you've 635 00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.639 got to recognize the fact that it's gonna leave tracers. Yeah, it's like 636 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.880 I'm going through college and one of the things that the professors are freaking out 637 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.599 about is that you can have you can have an I write your paper. 638 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.119 The thing is, though, is when you turn the paper in, no 639 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.599 matter how well you do it, if you cut the paste or whatever, 640 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:19.199 there's still little tracers inside the thing that say this was clearly not written by 641 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.360 James, Like like, if it doesn't, if it doesn't go a half 642 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.920 sentence and then start a new phrase without making a period, it wasn't a 643 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:32.480 Baker paper, Okay, And you know it's it's it's it's just the newest 644 00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:36.159 way that people are doing it. And in the beginning, yes, it's 645 00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:39.079 gonna be hard to track, but as time goes on, you're gonna get 646 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:44.440 pictures and videos that are never gonna that are never gonna stick up. The 647 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:49.199 big thing with AI is it doesn't handle hands and feet, well, it 648 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:55.360 doesn't. And eyes and ears are actually the ears are probably one of the 649 00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:00.960 biggest targets that we look at. Well it yep, as an artist and 650 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:06.239 even probably as a police officer, then you know that I in air policement, 651 00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.800 to nose are very important, like you have to you know, That's 652 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.599 the one thing they taught me in drawing class first is first you make a 653 00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.599 cross because you got to make sure that the eyes and the ears line up 654 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:21.199 to the nose being in the middle, but not too far one way or 655 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:27.840 another. Otherwise the symmetry of the face is just completely yep. But eventually 656 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:34.639 AI is starting to catch up and it's teaching itself you know through yeah just 657 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:40.840 stay yeah pretty muchin skin Yeah it's it's it's good, but it's still not 658 00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.320 great and there's limitations. But ye, it's going to get harder as we 659 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.760 progress through technology. It's going to get harder to delineate the difference between a 660 00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.559 really good video and something that's really good, really goodly, really goodly generated, 661 00:53:55.039 --> 00:54:00.119 really goodly. How about that, Guys, we're in here pushing towards 662 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.679 the end of the hour. We've only had a footnote of some of the 663 00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.880 things we talked about this year, you know. How about also, we 664 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.400 did that great series in the Swamp Ape, you know, down south. 665 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:15.639 We talked with Matt Larson, you know, who had an interesting episode on 666 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.280 his podcast about the Patterson film, and I would encourage people to go check 667 00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.519 that out and listen if they can. We did have a question from Jay. 668 00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:28.480 Maybe we'll use this question to wrap it up, the question from j 669 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.440 Michael. Other than a body, what do you guys think would be the 670 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:37.480 best evidence of bigfoot? We'll go around the horn, starting at Baker Matt 671 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.639 Henry Vantam will end with me. I would say, simply put is it 672 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:45.199 would be something we can duplicate. It's if you've got hair evidence or you've 673 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:51.159 got footprint evidence, we can duplicate it in the same area. Then I 674 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.800 would take that over a body. Matt. I concur with that. I 675 00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:01.199 I agree, if you have something that you could be I think that would 676 00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:07.840 satisfy the scientific community. I think that what people are looking for is they're 677 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:14.039 looking for that, you know, for that super clear picture. And again 678 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.199 I know there's people out there that you know, they're turning in. They're 679 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:20.280 not going out there with their guns anymore. They're going out with the telephoto 680 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.840 lenses and hiding in the bush trying to get a photo. It's going to 681 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:32.639 be that photo with prints, with the ability to take research researchers from whether 682 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:37.760 from a university or you know, government to that area so they can get 683 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:46.159 eyes on the creature as well well. I think if you're looking for evidence, 684 00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.719 evidence of footprints, evidence of hair, fecal manner, if you're looking 685 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:59.559 for proof, definitely a body for sure, besides the body or henry or 686 00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:04.079 a piece of a body. Okay, he's saying a hand, a foot, 687 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.719 a leg, the head, but he's saying like fecal matter for instance, 688 00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.440 like I have. I was walking through my land yesterday. I had 689 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.320 no deer tracks, but I could see little pellets everywhere, so I know 690 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:16.960 they were there. Now when I checked my camera, there's a good chance 691 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:22.880 I'm going to see ten or twenty deer because I know that that's an area 692 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:24.800 I'm in every week. And there was a poop there last week, so 693 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:30.840 there had there been an animal. Now I can't until I don't need to 694 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:36.679 find a dead deer to prove it. I just need to prove other collaborating 695 00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:38.840 evidence to say, yes, there was something here. Yeah, but we 696 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:45.679 know deer exist because we have bodies and photos and exactly and someday maybe you 697 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:54.840 know vance you know, with with all the plethora of evidence that is required 698 00:56:54.880 --> 00:57:00.400 to prove that this creature is real, if we found a berry site where 699 00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:08.840 there's a full skeleton, some hair, bones, dental features, I think 700 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:13.360 that's what it's going to take. I think it's gonna take more than just 701 00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:20.320 one item to prove that this is in existence. I think it's gonna take 702 00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:28.599 an entire skeletal remain in order to prove the existence. Because while we have 703 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.480 a hair here and it's primate, but we can't describe it anymore. We 704 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:37.400 have dental here, but we can't prove any more than what it is. 705 00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:43.800 We have bones here. But if you put it all together into one collaborative 706 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:49.679 package altogether, I think that's what it's going to take. And you know, 707 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.840 we talked about this on a show a couple episodes ago. What do 708 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:58.079 they do with they're dead? Do they bury their dead? And if the 709 00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:04.280 dead is buried, all that evidence is going to be in one collaborative area 710 00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:09.679 and we may be able to decipher that from you. National geographic quality video 711 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:16.000 evidence from multiple angles I think is the only other acceptable thing we'd find that 712 00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:21.800 could give validity because when you have it from multiple angles and multiple vantage points 713 00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:27.679 and more than just ten seconds of fleeting footage, it tells a different story. 714 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.320 Right, you would accept that from gorillas even if before gorillas existed, 715 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.800 I think we would accept that. They accepted that from the billiap at first, 716 00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.199 remember, oh yes, you caught on footage. So I think when 717 00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:44.159 you have quality evidence or quality footage, that becomes a lot different because we 718 00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:49.480 haven't had anything like that at all that we know of. You know, 719 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.199 when I've talked to Cliff Barrettman who Cliff said he's seen things out there that 720 00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.039 other people have it because some people just don't want to put it out there 721 00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:02.320 and think about that everybody's motiva by fame or fortune or whatnot. Some people 722 00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:07.320 really do have a distinct moral compass that says, hey, you know what 723 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:12.079 what we would do to this entity creature being? Would be far worse by 724 00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:19.920 acknowledging its existence than by just pretending it doesn't exist in general. And so 725 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.360 you know, there you have it. I think that would be the next 726 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:30.480 acceptable thing, something that couldn't be replicated with a costume or AI. And 727 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:36.119 you know it's not that hard. You know, no matter how good Hollywood 728 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:43.119 gets, AI looks like AI, it still looks computer generated. And becouple 729 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:47.679 that with some poop and then evidence starts stacking up. Folks, you've been 730 00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:52.239 listening to the Sasquatch Experience Sean Falker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Vance 731 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:57.039 Nesbitt, and Henry May. You can support us further by becoming a Patreon 732 00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:01.119 of the Sasquatch Experience for as little as too dollars a month. That's not 733 01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:05.719 a lot cheaper than a cup of coffee. It helps us pay the bills. 734 01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:08.239 We got a brand we're building here, and we can't do it without 735 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:12.119 you. We're really appreciative of you. If you have a citing report, 736 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.280 send it to us info at sasquatch Experience dot com. 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