WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:04.240 Steve sent me a text message saying that I had to behave because you were 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:13.080 going to ask, not what your country can do for you, ask what 3 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:19.239 you can do for your country. Mister Gorbuschoff, tear down this wall. 4 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:28.719 Read my lips. It's the Ricochet Podcast. I'm James Lylac's usually with Robin 5 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:31.320 Peter, but they are out. But don't worry. We've got Lucretia and 6 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:35.759 Stephen from Powerline and John you. So let's have ourselves a podcast. It 7 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:41.320 is now the duty of my office to prove these charges in the indictment beyond 8 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:46.200 a reasonable doubt at trial. It's a witch hunt. It's just a continuation 9 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:48.840 of a witch hunt. They want to silence in you. They want to 10 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:51.799 silence you. I mean, this is a little sort of thing that happens 11 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:56.479 in the country. Who's Who's Powerball? Jack Pott is three hundred and eighty 12 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.840 seven, Chickens on the goat. Welcome everybody, It's the Ricochet Podcast. 13 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:03.840 Six hundred and fifty five, six five five. You'll like it as an 14 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:06.879 area code, you'll trust it as a podcast time James Lilacs. And you 15 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:08.879 might ask where's rob Long, where is Peter Robinson? Well the founder. 16 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:15.519 You know, our lineup here is rapidly becoming like a late stalln era photograph 17 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:19.840 where people just drop out, airbrushed and never to appear again. It's just 18 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.159 me. I know, I'm getting robbed back. Peter will be back and 19 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.200 the waiting days of summer they are off on some peregrination, but we'll hear 20 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.879 all about it when they return. In the meantime, we've got something that's 21 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:30.560 going to make you say, who are those are the guys? Why don't 22 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:36.040 we even need them? Rob Woo Peter who We've got Powerline people and Rob 23 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:41.560 and John Rob John, Rob John You. If I can get my mouth 24 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:44.799 to work, we'll have an even better podcast. Linda from from power Line 25 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:49.239 and Stephen from Powerline. Gentlemen, ladies, welcome, good morning. Great 26 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.239 to be here. We feel like we feel like the Triple A team has 27 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.000 made it to the show. Yeah, everybody just jump in it once here, 28 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:57.959 that'll be great. I'm just gonna sit back and let you cat fight 29 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.159 for the microphone. I feel like the Ukrainian Special Forces guy behind the enemy 30 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:06.599 lines. Yeah, look for the mines. I'm looking for the minds Peter 31 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:10.520 and Rob have left for us. Well, not to worry. You're You're 32 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.479 welcome to go ahead, right ahead, John, and hobble back as you 33 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.840 please. But for the moment before we get to all the fun stuff, 34 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:21.800 the contentious things that I'm sure will polarize the audience right down the middle. 35 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:27.400 There's what we learn about the Hawaiian fires is getting more and more interesting. 36 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:32.960 And of course people say that it's climate change. It's obviously climate change. 37 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:37.919 Anytime anything burns, it's climate change, as if the Sun had just focused 38 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:43.039 its energy beams down and devastated Hawaiian But it turns out there might actually be 39 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:46.759 man made reasons for that don't have to do with eating meat and driving cars. 40 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.280 Now, what people will say is, well, even if it is 41 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:54.280 related to the electrical system, people should not have electricity in the first place 42 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:59.520 to use their air conditioning because they will then do things like put wires where 43 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:06.199 they shouldn't. What this is is just the usual example again of an energy 44 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:10.719 company deferring basic maintenance on the things at work in order to pursue this new 45 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:15.560 dream of sustainability, which which ain't going to do it, which just ain't 46 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:17.639 gonna do it. So there are two things to this one. What we're 47 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:21.439 learning now about the crisis, and you guys can discuss that. And two. 48 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.080 John had a piece this week in the Washington Examiner about how they're using 49 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:30.639 the courts to push more and more extreme reactions to global warming. The Montana 50 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:34.960 judge who essentially ruled that the children's future was being that one of the kids 51 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:40.960 his artistic endeavors were being threatened because atmospheric particular or something triggered as asthma, 52 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.199 so he couldn't perform, and therefore, I don't know what we have to 53 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.199 ban the internal combustion engine. So those are the two things what we learned 54 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:52.919 about Hawaii, and then John's aspect on the law. So go, I'm 55 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:54.479 gonna lean back. I'm gonna pretend this is lie. I'm an am DJ 56 00:03:54.639 --> 00:04:00.240 and I just put I just put the record the Edmund Fitzgerald on, you 57 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:04.759 know, or I can hit the head, I can go get some coffee, 58 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:08.560 or I can just let it play. And so there you go have 59 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:13.560 it. James, you might want to stay for this because both John and 60 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.120 Steve promised me a long time ago that they were going to get me my 61 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.680 own designer tinfoil hat, and they've never done so. So I can't put 62 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.879 it on right now, and I'm really not all that serious about this. 63 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:29.879 But what you didn't mention is all the stuff that's come out on the last 64 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:34.160 day or two, some of it on actual, you know, almost legitimate 65 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:40.319 media sources. This morning, there was a picture of an aerial picture of 66 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:45.480 the fire and it was very interesting. Fired went from house to house and 67 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:50.319 didn't catch the trees in between, and it didn't get the big, beautiful 68 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:57.560 coastal houses. And there's a conspiracy theory going around that it's actually some sort 69 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.680 of what's it called the energy blast of some kind, that this was purposeful, 70 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:06.639 not just a lack of a lack of maintenance on the power lines because 71 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:12.360 they're putting all of their resources into green energy, but purposeful because so much 72 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:20.519 of Hawaii is the zoning rules keep these properties in the family, and what 73 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:28.800 they've done is made it impossible for the families that have this inheritance to live 74 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:33.040 there forever to stay there because the insurance companies have canceled their insurance. I 75 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:35.399 don't know if I believe any of it, but I figured, you know, 76 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:39.360 it's time to throw something out there and wait, couple up. Well, 77 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.759 yeah, I'm not inclined to believe in Jewish space lasers doing this in 78 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:47.279 order to change the ownership thing. It's it's you know, Ockham's Razor would 79 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:53.639 have you look at just things like sparking wires on the ground on abandoned dry, 80 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.920 tinder filled or agricultural fields, and why it skips from house to house. 81 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.399 I saw that video too, but I don't know what to make of 82 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:04.759 it. Well, I mean, you Lucretia, Southern California girl, very 83 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:08.319 high winds, the flames tend to be low to the ground. I think 84 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:11.519 that's actually not that surprising. And skipping houses. I mean, in the 85 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.120 big California wildfires, you'll often see a whole neighborhood leveled and then there's one 86 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.680 house left standing, and that usually can be explained by they actually have better 87 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:26.199 event grades and other reasons. Right, So it's weird that way. I 88 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:30.800 think you made mention of it. Oh about the land tenure in Hawaii, 89 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:33.519 I mean, there's the famous Supreme Court case about that back in the eighties. 90 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:38.279 I won't revisit, but it's there's the United States and then there's Hawaii 91 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.600 when it comes to land law, and it does have some really weird features. 92 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:45.600 That really clogs up the real estate market there, all right, I 93 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:50.480 think the big story is you've made reference to a James. I have from 94 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:56.439 time to time talked about the climate change fantics as the climate cult and the 95 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.120 Wall Street Journal story this week, and now they are more coming out or 96 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:04.759 absolutely devastating about how all the political forces were for green energy and Hawaiian Electric 97 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:11.519 despite being warned repeatedly and themselves saying we have some fire hazard problems in need, 98 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.839 attending to spend virtually nothing on in the last five years. It's all 99 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:19.399 about green energy. And so that's why I have thrown down and said this 100 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:24.920 is largely this is going to turn out to be the largest math mass death 101 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:29.160 event caused by a cult since Jonestown. And I can give lots of other 102 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:31.160 examples, by the way, and I can even cite one of the premier 103 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:36.439 mainstream quote unquote climate scientists eight or nine years ago, James Hansen, who's 104 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:42.000 started off all this business in the eighties. He did one of those typically 105 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:47.959 dense regression analysis papers in one of the scientific journals, and what he said 106 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:53.879 was is the closure of nuclear power plants. He's very pro nuclear, by 107 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.000 the way. That's the one place he departs from climate orthodoxy, but he 108 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:01.399 calculated that the closure of nuclear power plants prematurely here and around the world increase 109 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.399 the death toll from particulars and other air pollution by fifty thousand people a year. 110 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.639 And I say, those desks can be laid at the feet of the 111 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:16.040 ridiculously anti nuclear environmental movement. So I'll just stop there because I can rant 112 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.160 on a long time about this, because there's other examples of where this green 113 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:24.040 energy mania has actually increasing risk for people, increasing prices, and leading to 114 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:28.920 disasters like this one. John, Let's go to your Washington examine our article 115 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.399 and talk about how the legalization, the illegalization of everything is going to be 116 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.600 a really bad idea when it comes to climate. I think a lot of 117 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.639 people saw the story out of Montana where these kids, as you mentioned, 118 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:50.039 sued against for global warming against fossil fuel companies. The surprising thing is that 119 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:54.840 they're late to the game, Like everybody in Montana, they wanted to see 120 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.039 how it turned out for the rest of the country first. So there's a 121 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:01.600 bunch of lawsuits by city and countess. In fact, Hawaii, Honolulu is 122 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.840 one of these plaintiff cities. Oakland, San Francisco, Denver, Boulder, 123 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.960 you can imagine New York City, you can imagine which cities are in on 124 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:16.240 these lawsuits. And they claimed that global warming is what we call a public 125 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:22.840 nuisance in the law. And this is a complete distortion of what people usually 126 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.679 use these lawsuits for. This is what you usually use. For example, 127 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:33.320 if say, in James's beautiful suburb of Minneapolis, suburb suburb, well, 128 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.039 if I'm a city boy, thank you very much. It was a suburb. 129 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:39.519 It was a suburb when they laid it out in eighteen ninety. But 130 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.519 it's it's firmly city now. Well I thought that's why I say. I 131 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.840 thought the entire city was supposed to be a suburb. That's what it looked 132 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:54.840 like when I was there last. And then so suppose James's perfectly leafy residential 133 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.799 area in the downtown of Minneapolis, while he's showing us his background, there's 134 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:03.679 a lot of towers behind there is and somebody opened up, you know, 135 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:09.440 a leather tannery right in the middle that started polluting, ruining the environment all 136 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.080 around a residential neighborhood. Then you can kind of say, oh, this 137 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.879 guy is causing a public nuisance. In our neighborhood, but no one has 138 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.080 ever said, oh, you should turn this around and use it for global 139 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:24.759 problems. And if you look at it in a situation where even if you 140 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.679 could get these fossil fuel companies to stop doing business in Montana, which they 141 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:33.440 might consider now, or even the United States, who would barely make a 142 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.519 dent because most of the global warming now is not being caused by carbon emissions 143 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.840 in the US or even Europe. It's coming from China and India. So 144 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.440 I think these lawsuits are eventually going to get thrown out of court. The 145 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.759 problem is it's going to take years and years to get from these triald judges 146 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.519 all the way to the Supreme Court, which I'm confident will put an end 147 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.679 to them, and then kids in Montana will go back to, you know, 148 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.480 their climate friendly policies like shooting animals and speed hearing them at arrows and 149 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.840 bows and going around burning things at big pit fires, that stuff people do 150 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.919 in Montana for fun normally, Well it should be I think, added John. 151 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:13.000 What this is based on is a clause in the Montana Constitution which was 152 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:18.399 rewritten I think in nineteen seventy two, so it's recent as a modern constitution 153 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.159 has a clause that says something like all Montana citizens are entitled to a clean 154 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.159 and healthy environment, which means, what's in politics? I mean, we 155 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.039 really the judge going to give an injunction against the weather? I mean, 156 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.240 how is this actually going to work? That would have been at the very 157 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.600 least a political question once upon a time and a clear slam dunk. But 158 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.440 now old fashioned liberal judicial activism lives on and they grab hold of that vague 159 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.080 clause and say it means we can do anything. We won't. Oh, 160 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:45.799 oh, Lucretia is gonna love this. Lucresi is gonna love this. This 161 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:50.000 is a demonstration of the failure of the progressive vision of rights, because the 162 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.240 eighteenth century American vision is at rights are negative. It's just says government leave 163 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.240 me alone right within the now. Some states, I don't know why Montana 164 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.200 of all states would copy a European constitution, but they have positive rights that 165 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.080 say you have the right to an education, you have the right some European 166 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.960 constitutions say you have a right to a job, and of course they say 167 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.840 you have a right to a good, healthy environment. Of course, none 168 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:16.919 of these governments can deliver on it, and they don't take the law seriously 169 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.159 in these European countries, but we do in America. You stick something in 170 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:26.120 the constitution in America and people want it to become the real law. Before 171 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.360 we get to the recreation's response, and then we'll drift away from Montana. 172 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.679 I just want to say, I just struck me that perhaps the problem is 173 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.679 not that we are listening to children in Montana. It's that we're not sacrificing 174 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.840 enough of them on altars I mean the Aztecs and the mind. Yes, 175 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.759 well, not to the climate gods, but to specific geological manifestations. I 176 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.679 mean, because of the you know, the old Messo American civilizations believe that 177 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.159 unless they rip the heart out of children and held it up to this guy 178 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.080 God, the sun wouldn't come up with the rain wouldn't come with the rest 179 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.000 of them. Now, you know, at some point that just became ritualistic. 180 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:01.919 But it makes me wonder whether that we're kind of missing an opportunity here 181 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.879 because studies have shown suggested that we may have global warming increased four years because 182 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.600 of a very large volcano, an underground volcano, the Hunga tongue or something 183 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:16.039 like that that that put trillions, trillions of gallons of water vapor into the 184 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.399 air, which in a stroke shows you that the Earth is perfectly capable of 185 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.279 doing all kinds of stuff to its own environment and its own regulatory system, 186 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.279 which you will eventually balance out, etc. But I mean, if we 187 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.240 had, if these children who are so concerned about these things had willingly put 188 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:37.559 themselves on altars to forestall the result of the eruption of that volcano, it 189 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:39.440 would show that they're dedicated to the cause. But I think the fact that 190 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.799 they aren't willing to do that, there, aren't willing to clamber up there 191 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.919 and hand the obsidian knife to the priest, leads me to believe they may 192 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.279 not be a serious that they think. Now the little creature you were talking 193 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.799 about, I don't even there's so much. But what I probably would say 194 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.919 is that the only place where you're slightly wrong about that is the what we 195 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.080 know about young people today who been frightened to death by their idiotic teachers, 196 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.720 etc. Etc. About the existential threat that climate change poses to them, 197 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.960 they are deciding not to have children, which that's a good sign because they're 198 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.879 obviously idiots, and you know, it's the whole Darwinian principle at work here. 199 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.039 But I mean, is that good enough for you, or do you 200 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:28.720 think we really need to require child sacrifice. I think actually that the number 201 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.919 of people who decide not to have children because of climate change, it's probably 202 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.039 the same as the people who refuse to have children during the eighties because of 203 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.919 nuclear winter and Ronald Reagan and all the rest of it. There's always a 204 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:43.360 group of people who are so pessimistic about the future, and somehow they're concerned 205 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:48.360 for the future dovetails nicely with their dislike of children in general and specifically. 206 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.159 So I'm not worried about that so much as I am the fact that in 207 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:58.320 general people we have generations of people here now who find it difficult to define 208 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.039 the mate, who find it difficult to set down and find it onerisks to 209 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.639 have children, because even if they do find somebody's going to theirselves, it's 210 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.279 going to interfere with their ability to run out somewhere with a dog and the 211 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.919 rest of it. I mean, I heard of them at a meeting the 212 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.519 other day when we were talking about coming back to the office, and somebody 213 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.399 was complaining about the fact that you know, they have pet care demands that 214 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:22.000 they I think dogs and cats pretty much did, okay up until twenty twenty 215 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:24.840 when people had to go to work. Anyway, I'm straying far so, 216 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:33.200 gentlemen, John H. Stephen. The subject of negative rights, positive rights, 217 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.840 and the rest of it is that a lost cause. Has the West 218 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:41.559 completely just at you know, adopted the notion that that's what the government is 219 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:46.679 there for, to gret to bestow these things, to declare them rights. 220 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.559 And there's no coming back from that. There's no there's no nobody's going to 221 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.960 change that, or the society eventually realized it's expensive and unworkable and works its 222 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:58.799 way back to under the solution. But you want me to go first, 223 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:03.679 John, because actually John is secretly unsound on Actually he's not secretly unsound on 224 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.240 this issue. He's totally unsound on this issue. John is a grubby positivist. 225 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:08.799 And by the way, I'm grumpy John, because I'm still smarting from 226 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:14.960 you calling me a monarchist on Tuesday lunch. Okay, yeah, I mean 227 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.720 that train left if the crown fits wear it anyway. Okay, Look, 228 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.519 Steve, you should be happy. This is one of the most pro monarchist 229 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.919 podcasts in America. You should have heard them weeping and crying when Queen Elizabeth 230 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.600 passed away. Oh I do remember that. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, 231 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.679 Rob Peter cried all over. Peter cried all over his ascot and is 232 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:37.399 tied up sweater. That's right. Not so much for her as for the 233 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.200 institution and for the tradition, and also for her as having provided a cultural 234 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.720 continuity for generation for a long time and really adding to the cohesion of the 235 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:51.639 British Empire and the Aisles and the rest of it. I see the hazard 236 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:53.440 of your question, James, is that John and I actually team teach a 237 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:56.879 class that goes into this for at great length, and we don't want to 238 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.559 do that in the podcast. I'll just one hint though the problem. I 239 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.559 think a key turning point came right after World War Two when the UN gave 240 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:07.680 us the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. And some of it was very conventional 241 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:14.880 and familiar sounding. Right to free speech, several other traditional American angle American 242 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.599 style individual negative rights. But then I think it's Article twenty two or twenty 243 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:25.200 four. A fundamental human right is a right to paid vacations. Now, 244 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:26.799 I think they put that in there at the behest of labor unions for bargaining 245 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.599 purposes. But I'm thinking, you know, a lot of parts of the 246 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.880 world, since this is meant for the whole world be nice if people had 247 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.599 a job at all. You think of some poor developing country where people live 248 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.200 on a dollar a day, and the idea of a paid who's going to 249 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:44.160 pay for this paid vacation? It's ludicrous, but it's an example of now 250 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:47.359 the government exists, as you put it, to bestow benefits from people, 251 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:49.319 and everything becomes a human right. And this is why it should that kids 252 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.880 coming up today, eight conservatives, it's because of you and exactly what you 253 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:57.759 just said, because what they hear is that you should not have a paid 254 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:03.119 vacation. When you say, when you say, actually you don't. You 255 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:08.759 don't have the right to an everhard number two pencil delivered to your house by 256 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.039 a stork every morning, you don't have that right, to which they respond, 257 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:15.279 well, it would be really great if it happened. It's like, 258 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.400 yes, agreed, but you do not have the right for it to happen. 259 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:22.319 And so when you say, you know, you know, you don't 260 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:23.799 have the right to a two week pay vacation, they hear you should be 261 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:29.240 chained to your desk or the factory three hundred sixty five. And that's what's 262 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:34.160 maddening about it, because put it, rights becomes good things. That's it. 263 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:41.599 It just it's a synonym for great things. So my son was get 264 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:45.640 reading something to me last night, some exchange, and it was I have 265 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.799 a right to healthcare. And the answer was, well, I have a 266 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:55.680 right to under the Second Amendment telling weapons. Well, you get to enjoy 267 00:18:55.759 --> 00:19:00.279 that right, but I want the right to have the government pay for my 268 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:07.039 guns. Well that's not a right, that's just something you want, exactly. 269 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.400 And so I think we just have to push back on that and every 270 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:14.519 single day and say no, of course, there's no right to have some 271 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:21.519 lovely sort of guarantee of beautiful weather, a clean skies, clean water. 272 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:26.880 Those things are really nice. Yeah, I mean it. Well, the 273 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:33.319 one sentence Razor people can use is if the right claimed requires taking resources from 274 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:36.680 one group of people to supply this good thing to another group of people, 275 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:41.680 it's no longer a fundamental right. Right. Well, you're describing you're describing 276 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:47.480 socialism there, and of course America is I mean Americans love socialism is defended 277 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:52.000 is pointed out by the fact they love social security. Therefore, gotcha, 278 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.279 I mean, I mean, yes, you go. The problem, maybe 279 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:57.680 at the heart of it is the deformation of language, the substitution of things 280 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.880 for things that makes them sound better. If there are two things that I 281 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:06.559 could change, one would be rights and the other would be phobe, because 282 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:11.559 you can attack anybody as being a blank phobe, which indicates what that they 283 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:17.039 have an irrational fear that the very existence of the whatever you're phobic about makes 284 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.920 you cruel in a corner with a racing heartbeat, palpitations and sweaty pump. 285 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:27.039 No, phobia is being used to describe disagreeing, which is again just practically 286 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:33.319 Soviet in describing how an inability to mouth or agree with this set of statements 287 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.480 is proof of mental illness. If only the mentally ill could believe such a 288 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:40.559 things. If you're a phobia, so I those are the two words. 289 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.599 Do you have any words you would like to change permanently in the American political 290 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:51.200 landscape? Yes, I got one diversity. Diversity, And so I was 291 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:55.519 going to say, I'm not as pessimistic as Stephen Lucretia. I think actually, 292 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:00.599 as you suggested, James this whole positive rights move and claims on everyone 293 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.920 to fund my pet cause of starting to die. I think we've just maybe 294 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:14.079 past peak wokeism, peace positive, just peak positive rights. We're just a 295 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:15.599 little past it. And if I were going to trace it to some event, 296 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:19.240 it would be the Harvard Supreme Court case this summer. Think about it. 297 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:25.759 One would be a classic example of what you're talking about is university's desire 298 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:30.119 to manage all speech, to racially engineer all the classes, to decide what 299 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:34.160 people should learn or not based on diversity rationales, and the Supreme Court said 300 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.640 no. At some point it runs into our negative right against the government, 301 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:42.480 that we all be treated equally without regard to our race. So I'd like 302 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:47.720 to think that, and the Harvard case is popular. The majority of American 303 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:55.720 people don't want that's true. Where the worst there's any place this stuff goes 304 00:21:55.759 --> 00:22:00.000 on, it's our our three places of employment universities, except in floor where 305 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.160 the new school is making some changes and of course being excoriated for all of 306 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.599 them. I don't know if you've been following that Lucretia. First of all, 307 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.960 I wanted to ask what word you would get rid of, what word 308 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:15.480 you would show. Do you ever talk to a young person and every when 309 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:21.480 they mean to say I think, I believe it occurred to me that it's 310 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:27.440 always I feel like I feel like they can't. And so when I grade 311 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.960 papers from students, the first thing I tell them is I am not a 312 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.839 psychology professor, and I couldn't give a damn about your feelings. And if 313 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:40.920 you use the word feel in your paper to me, I feel like this 314 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:45.480 I will fail you. And you should just see there because it's one of 315 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.480 those things. It's like you just pointed out, it's not just that it's 316 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:55.039 a misuse of the word. It's so subjective that the only thing that matters 317 00:22:55.119 --> 00:23:00.519 is your feelings. And yeah, it's not an accidental conflation, it's intentional 318 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.480 because I mean, the whole project from the Boomers on and really we would 319 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:08.000 have we've been a much better state of the country if the if the greatest 320 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:14.359 generation had just beaten their children more. I swear to it. So I'm 321 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:18.480 not I'm I'm now on record for for more physical discipline and the and the 322 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.359 of course, you know, uh, sacrificing of children. So that's coming 323 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:25.839 in. You're still never going to be as tough as a nation mother change. 324 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:30.640 But that's true. But the idea that you that everyone must be validated, 325 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:34.039 everybody must be made whole, and that your feelings have to be nurtured 326 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:40.400 and cared for and no bruising can ever occur is nonsense. And that's not 327 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:45.000 how the world works. And so the idea that if you feel something, 328 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:49.359 it is authentic, and authenticity is to be rewarded over correctness, over morality, 329 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.200 over virtue or anything like that. The whole project of the boomers has 330 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:55.480 been authenticity. I love my true self. I have to be who I 331 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:59.319 gotta be. I gotta be me, and that results in a society of 332 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:06.640 spoiled little narcissists running around with no historical or communal sense. Anyway, I 333 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:10.400 agree with you, I agree feel not a Stevens. We need to get 334 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:11.759 rid of one more word. Yeah, I have a long list, but 335 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:17.440 I'll just give you one. It's holistic. You know, the liberals loved 336 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:19.960 us. We need a holistic approach this problem. What that means in practices, 337 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.240 we really have no idea what to do about it and want to change 338 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.519 the subject and spend more money. That's what holistic means. When you hear 339 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.000 that phrase you know, somebody just has no idea. What's going on? 340 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.400 My choice? If we had to go for like two word phrases, I 341 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.799 would ban I think I would ban last call. Actually that's not true because 342 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:42.200 I haven't. I haven't been I haven't been drinking. I haven't not drinking 343 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.000 for a long It's like, why do you hate the American bar? What's 344 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:49.799 wrong? I'm kidding As a man of my age, I do my drinking 345 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:52.720 at home where I can cause no trouble and drive no cars. But the 346 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.880 thing of it is, you know, the older you get, it's a 347 00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:00.720 little tough. You might not bounce back the next day you did when you 348 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.480 were twenty. 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Responsoring 374 00:26:53.799 --> 00:27:00.400 this the Ricochet podcast, do you not think of lake Como as some absolute 375 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:04.119 the gorgeous, untroubled body of water, blue deep in the rest of it? 376 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.839 Or what are you thinking? Are you thinking of Georgia? I was 377 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.640 going I've been to the Lake Como several times, but oh well, compared 378 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:15.240 comparing it, but comparing it to your body is what made me go on 379 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:22.079 talking about the physical, the physical sensation, the rest of it. All 380 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.680 right, we'll shoot if you must, this old grayhead. But so we've 381 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.920 gone through the words, We've gone through Hawaii, we've gone through negative rights. 382 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.960 We've covered more ground, frankly than any of these podcasts usually does in 383 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:41.440 an hour, which is great. Which leads us to the press conference which 384 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:47.240 was canceled. Now Donald Trump put out a truth Social meeting which and I 385 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.599 have no idea why he engages an arbitrary capitalization like he's Samuel Johnson or something. 386 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:56.000 I don't get the nineteen eighteenth century capitalization thing, but there you go. 387 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:02.440 So we put out the tweet on truths social and canceled his press conference, 388 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:04.960 which had the irrefutable evidence assembled by somebody, and he said, on 389 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.319 advice of his lawyers, he wasn't going to release it, which means he's 390 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:12.440 actually listening to his lawyer. Remarkable. So between that and the not debating, 391 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:19.200 tell us where you think the election the campaign starts right now, Lucretia, 392 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.680 you're next. I know. I'm putting you up there. Tell us 393 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.519 what you think, what's you think? And you will be hell. You 394 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:27.799 will be You will be hell to account for this in a year from now 395 00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:30.799 too, we will take all of you, all of you guys statements and 396 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.400 put them up and you won't be able to deny a word of them, 397 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.440 don't. I don't know where to start. I think that it was the 398 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.559 right thing to do to cancel the press conference. I think he should debate 399 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:48.480 because he's good at it, and he will in fact lose some of that 400 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:53.119 free media coverage that he gets even from the media, most of whom hate 401 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.480 him. Of course, if he doesn't decide to debate, and that will 402 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.200 be the only thing about him, I think he should go and debate. 403 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:06.039 On the other hand, you know, I guess I'm probably hate to say 404 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:10.880 it, one of those what is it sixty two percent of people who are 405 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:17.680 persuadable for another Republican candidate. If Trump is the nominee, I of course 406 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.640 will vote for him. But gosh, it's I don't know. I'm torn, 407 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.160 Honestly, I don't have an answer for you, James, because on 408 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:30.440 the one hand, I want to see Trump just triumph, just to put 409 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.839 down once and for all this nonsense that's happening to him. What is it 410 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:38.759 ninety nine counts spend three hundred years in jail if he was convicted on all 411 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.759 of them, and you know, I want to see this over with. 412 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.319 I don't even want to take it seriously. I don't want to look at 413 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.000 the indictments and say there's somehow, some legitimacy to any of them. And 414 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.640 but at the same time, why is that, Why why don't you want 415 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.519 to study them? I mean, it isn't that I do. I just 416 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:03.839 don't want to because there's three different levels here. The first one is the 417 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:10.359 biased prosecution things. Trump being indicted for things that nobody else would be I 418 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:12.880 saw this morning even some liberals say, well, if George is going to 419 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:17.319 indict Trump on this, when are they going to indict Stacy Abrams? But 420 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.680 she paid a fine? I mean she did? She not? She did? 421 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.720 She have fine to find for denying that she won. Uh, the 422 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:29.119 denying that she lost the election. That's what Trump is being indicted for denying 423 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.559 that he lost the Ellie. Not for not for denying it, but for 424 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:37.640 assembling a process to overturn it and to subverted and to lie about what actually 425 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.559 happened. I mean, you can lie about anything that that doesn't mean you 426 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.240 go to jail for it. There's the whole record. Well I shouldn't. 427 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.079 I should leave this to John who's who's of course a lawyer and better at 428 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.000 it. But he's not being he's not being charged with lying. If that 429 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.480 was the case, every politician would be in medical is he is by Weiss. 430 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:59.599 He's being charged with lying by Weiss, and that the result of his 431 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:06.160 lie are not Smith. You mean I get them, sorry, thank you, 432 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:10.279 but it is the same. Okay, But you know The problem is 433 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:15.160 is that what he's being indicted for, the supposed at least the part about 434 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:19.799 it that has to do with them changing the slate of electors is it's all 435 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:25.440 above board. It may have been dumb, but he had some reason to 436 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:29.240 believe, not very much reason to believe that he might have been successful in 437 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.599 that Georgia suit. And if he had been successful and did not have a 438 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.960 slate of electors, there would have been nothing he could do about it. 439 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.319 The whole thing, if you actually look at the facts, is ludicrous. 440 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.400 It's absolutely ludicrous across the board. You don't have to like Trump to say 441 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:52.519 that this is the politics politicization. It's a tough one up every time of 442 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:57.240 our criminal justice process in ugly, ugly ways, regardless of what you think 443 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.720 about Trump. That's I'm a hand to John. Why would flip it around? 444 00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:07.359 And I would say, actually, it's the criminalization of politics that's the 445 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:12.680 problem. And one way to understand that is to say, look, we're 446 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:19.839 using a law RICO here, Georgia's version of RICO Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations Act, 447 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.400 which is designed to be used against the mafia, designed to be used 448 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:29.599 against drug cartels, or terrorist groups, even against an organization whose fundamental purpose 449 00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:35.079 is free speech, a political campaign, and so a lot of the things 450 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.000 that and maybe we were wrong about this when we adopted these laws in the 451 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:43.720 late sixties early seventies. Maybe we supercharge the lass too much to be able 452 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:47.839 to get mafia groups. And so here's one little way to explain. Remember 453 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:54.279 that scene in Godfather Too, when they've got the congressional hearings, and you 454 00:32:54.319 --> 00:33:02.039 know, the kind of greasy looking majority Council of the Congressions is questioning Frankie 455 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:07.359 Pantangially I think is his name, and they go, they go, hey, 456 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.920 do you ever did you know when someone pushed a button on somebody, 457 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.000 did Michael Corleone order it? Did he do it? He goes, nah, 458 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.519 they got what you call it buffas? Yeah, they got buffas and 459 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.960 people and between right, he goes buffas. And so we created this law 460 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.680 to be able to get the Michael Corleoni's of the world, who never committed 461 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.839 any crime, who never did anything illegal. They just always told people to 462 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.039 do things for them as part of organizations where you could say, more than 463 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.960 half or maybe more than half, of all the discreet things that organization did 464 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:47.079 were probably innocent, but they're part of a group that does kill people, 465 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.319 that does extort money, does does steal things. And so but if you 466 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:58.920 turn that around and apply it to an innocent group, an innocent organization, 467 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.000 then you have, Oh, if one or two bad apples in your organization 468 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:08.039 committed crime, does that mean everybody is guilty the whole organization is criminal. 469 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:12.239 That's essentially what we've done here. We said. Okay, So when I 470 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.840 looked at the indictment, okay, I see one or two things that are 471 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:20.079 obvious crimes, like trying to physically harass a Georgia election worker, like trying 472 00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.599 to steal I was like, I love the idea of crack a woman throwing 473 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.280 a voting machine on our back and running out of a county commission office with 474 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.000 one. But like stealing a voting machine, Okay, I could see that 475 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.920 being a crime. But to say, because of those kinds of actions, 476 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.960 everyone who worked on the Trump re election campaign and thought the election wasn't over 477 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:46.079 is now part of a vast criminal conspiracy that is criminalizing free speech. And 478 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:51.559 I think that's that's the real problem with the indictment, and in terms of 479 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.400 how it affects the election. You know, Trump himself said, oh, 480 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.599 all I need to do is get in didted one more time, and I've 481 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.760 got the nomination wrapped up. And it sure looks like that. On the 482 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.280 other had, I don't understand how you defend yourself in court and do a 483 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.960 campaign at the same time, because every time he says something in public is 484 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.920 going to be used against him in the courtroom. And the courtroom strategy would 485 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.679 be if I was Trump's lawyer, thank god I'm not, but I would 486 00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:16.920 charge him five times the going rate, although he never pays his bills. 487 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.239 It was to say, shut up, don't say anything, stop talking, 488 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:29.840 right, But Christian just put up with screenstock saying millions indicted in Georgia for 489 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:35.559 voting for Trump. But I guess that's the problem. That's the problem is 490 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.480 those two things, running for reelection and defending yourself in court are going to 491 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:43.960 create incompatible strategies, and he's going to get screwed in one or the other 492 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.840 before we get to Stephen. I have an irrelevancy. And that was when 493 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.039 somebody was going through the indictment. They were pointing out that one of the 494 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.000 things that Trump was being charged for was telling people to watch oh An and 495 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:53.760 watch a particular story, and people were responding to that saying, you mean 496 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.360 it's now it's now indictable to tell people to watch something on television. And 497 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.960 the response was, well, no, it's not, it's just proving it's 498 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:05.159 part of the setting it all up. It's probably that that just simply was 499 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.559 an indication of him, how he was pushing the fraud narrative, etc. 500 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.639 Etc. But I thought, that's true. I get that, but you 501 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.360 can't tell me that we're not that every single one of these isn't the slippery 502 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.000 little slope and the fact that you tell somebody to watch something on Newsmax or 503 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.239 a YouTube thing that is actually that turns out to be demonstrably false. Later 504 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.840 he's not going to be held against you, because it will if it's convenient 505 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:29.320 for them to do so. And it noticed that the criminal conspiracy starts, 506 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:35.440 according to the indictment, on election day. She claims the whole thing started 507 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.320 when Trump gave a speech saying I think I still won before there were any 508 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.760 final voter talies to actually show that. Biden it one and then yeah, 509 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:49.039 a lot of these acts of the criminal enterprise unquota. Trump left message on 510 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:53.480 Georgia State Representatives machine. That's how is out of criminal you know, criminal, 511 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:55.800 they're not. It just leads up to the thing that was the reek 512 00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:59.559 was the thing. Now we got Roger Stone, however, on video before 513 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:00.760 the election and sitting there at his desk saying, well, what you do 514 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:04.119 is you come up with another slight of electrics is what you do? And 515 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.079 you're talking about the whole process, and they got somebody videotaping the whole thing. 516 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.280 I would think that videotaping your own stupidity is something limited to the younger 517 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.360 generation, but apparently not, Steven, you're joining your See once again, 518 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:16.360 John is thinking too much like a lawyer and not like a political scientist. 519 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:21.719 To shay John, the shame, the shame. Look, I mean I 520 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.159 think the trial John is another Trump opportunity. Look, this is going to 521 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:29.159 be like if it ever goes to trial, which I can't imagine it really 522 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.480 will, it'd be the oj trial times ten eighteen defendants, with the battery 523 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.039 of lawyers, with all these different counts. It would go on forever, 524 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.440 and every day Trump gets to come out and say about what was wrong in 525 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:43.400 the courtroom that day, and the judge might try to gag him. But 526 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.199 how do you stop Trump? And that makes me back to James's question, 527 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.960 how's this going to play out? I mean, I have no idea, 528 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.199 but I'm struck by a couple of things, first a broad theme and then 529 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.679 a couple of specifics. The broad theme is I'm gonna do this to annoy 530 00:37:55.760 --> 00:38:00.239 Lucretia. Trump is this world historical figure right out of the page is of 531 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.280 hegel. I mean, he's Napoleon, which maybe not be the best comparison, 532 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.440 but I mean he's an unstoppable force in world politics, a full stop. 533 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.239 And the thing that strikes me is, yeah, I mean, I 534 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.440 think it's he's like a figure of destiny. I can't believe I'm using these 535 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.360 terms because I usually evaluate politicians the last four years have been exile before he 536 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.239 comes out. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, I know 537 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:27.519 that sounds randy ose and preposterous, but in a larger sense, I think 538 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:31.800 it's kind of true. And here's the numbers behind it. Even this week, 539 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:36.320 but now with the fourth indictment coming down, you have several polls from 540 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.480 you know, reppidable organizations showing Biden with a one point lead. You know, 541 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.840 Biden led by three four points consistently in twenty twenty, and there's been 542 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.360 a few polls the last few months that had Trump up by five six points. 543 00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.760 A couple of them shocked the heck out of Democrats, which is why 544 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.320 they're panicking about Biden and Harrison so forth. I mean, the staying power 545 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:58.519 of this guy is just unbelievable. And so you can point to lots of 546 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.599 surveys that show the people really he don't like Trump. That is true, 547 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.800 but I think people really don't like Biden either, and it's going to depend 548 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.679 on the circumstances. But by the way, finally, James, I'm certain 549 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.400 Trump is going to show up for the debate next week. You don't have 550 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.239 to wait for a year on that prediction. I think the will hear, 551 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.880 won'ty thing is part of the whole Trump magic. You know, if he 552 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.079 says now he's coming, well, then you know he's coming. You know, 553 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.079 standard storyline. If he shows up at the last minute, makes a 554 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.559 grand inference, it's just gonna blow everything up. The media is going to 555 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.960 be all abuzz. Oh Trump showed up, after all, He'll have some 556 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.199 great opening line about well, I thought it was going to be indicted again 557 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:34.599 today. But since I'm not, I thought i'd come here and vanquished all 558 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.400 these pip squeaks on the stage with me. 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Go to shopify dot com slash ricochet to take your retail business 598 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:19.599 to the next level today shopify dot com slash ricochet and we thank Spotify for 599 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:25.519 sponsoring this the Ricochet Podcast. Last topic, Hunter Biden. Something was dismissed 600 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.400 the other day, some tax charges and the rest of it, and some 601 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.559 people were freaking out and saying, what he's not going to serve any time 602 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:36.440 for anything. What what what's going on here, Lucretia, Uh, what 603 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:38.800 I said earlier, this is Ah, how did you put it? You 604 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:44.559 said it was the criminalization of politics. I said it was the politicization of 605 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.159 criminal law. It was John Drew said it and much better than me, 606 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:54.840 because I would have stumbled on politicisation. But yes, but here's the point. 607 00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:01.079 Uh, what every American who's not a partisan, a rabid partisan hack, 608 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.719 can see is that there are definitely two justice systems in this country. 609 00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:14.280 And the vaunted Department of Justice that was once rightly or wrongly considered, you 610 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.400 know, the most professional law enforcement agency in the world, is now shown 611 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:25.079 themselves also to be rabid ideological hacks in the service of a corrupt and senile 612 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:32.400 president executive. And you know, the whole getting into the whole hunter thing. 613 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:38.920 In the appointment of David Weise's special counsel. Nobody can even concentrate on 614 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.280 what's actually going on there because there's so many ins and outs, a little 615 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.000 bit like a ninety nine indictments. I think that what the problem is is, 616 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:49.880 we know, now as long as you're a lefty, as long as 617 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.960 you're a part of the Democratic Party, as long as you're protesting George Floyd 618 00:43:53.119 --> 00:44:02.760 and not writing preborn Black Lives Matter, as long as you're not ever complaining 619 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.039 about who might have won the twenty twenty election, if you're never questioning it, 620 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.719 one thing happens to one group of people and one thing happens to another, 621 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.440 and America is not supposed to work that way. I know there were 622 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:22.880 problems, you know, in the post Civil War period with segregation, and 623 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:28.840 that it wasn't always fair prosecutions against people of color. I get all of 624 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:32.280 that, but I think the idea that we have now turned it into political 625 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:37.599 persecution by using the criminal justice system on the one side, and then using 626 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:43.679 the criminal justice system the ins and outs of it, the prosecutorial deals behind 627 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:50.480 the scenes to save the president's son and possibly the president himself. I mean, 628 00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.199 it's going to destroy this country. That's my belief. It's going to 629 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.199 destroy this country. Before we get to John, I just want to applaud 630 00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:59.639 briefly the little note that you made about preborn Black Lives matter. It's a 631 00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.440 reference to the case in DC where during the riots of twenty twenty. Of 632 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.159 course, there were a lot of things scrawled, a lot of things scrawled 633 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.119 and sprayed and stuff written on streets, and there was nothing done about it 634 00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:15.599 because well, the times they had it changed and that was encouraged because it 635 00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.199 was a inclusive thing to do. Recently, there was a case of a 636 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:25.360 couple of pro life activists who chopped outside of an abortion provider I believe reborn 637 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:30.719 Black lives matter, and they were arrested. They were arrested for that quite 638 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.039 promptly as a matter of fact, and lucretia, what was the outcome of 639 00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.079 the case. It was that they would finally when it went to they what 640 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:44.960 happened. They were exonerated, I guess you could say, but for First 641 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.519 Amendment issues, not for anything like And John has a lot to say about 642 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:54.119 this is his commentary on It's very interesting the whole idea of biased prosecutorial actions. 643 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.280 I'll let him say that. But in this case, it wasn't because 644 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:04.440 of any bias on the part of the district police in terms of prosecute you 645 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.000 know, who they liked and who they didn't. It was a viewpoint problem 646 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:14.639 under the First Amendment, that that whatever else the law enforcement can or cannot 647 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:22.000 do, they cannot prosecute people for viewpoints and proof that all of those Black 648 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:27.599 Lives matters and ANTIFA protesters were never even so much as arrested for doing the 649 00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:34.920 things they did. When those abortion protesters, uh, pro life protesters were 650 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:43.039 actually arrested, you know, charged, convicted of drawing the chalk, it 651 00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:47.719 was proof that this was a viewpoint discrimination. Again, to me, there's 652 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:53.639 a deeper issue, which is of course, the the biased prosecution, because 653 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:58.360 what if it's not a viewpoint matter. But anyway, I'll let you know. 654 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:04.840 John's got a much more interesting commentary on how we handle politicize, do 655 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.559 you, John, do you come on? Prove it, Let's see it, 656 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:08.719 let's hear it, come on, bring it on. Well, I'm 657 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:13.280 not sure how interesting it is, but it does solve the problem, which 658 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:19.719 is you're not allowed actually to second guests. In the legal system, the 659 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.960 decisions of prosecutors. Prosecutors have what's called prosecutorial discretion, and they are the 660 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:30.800 ones who decide which cases to bring, and it's based on the idea we 661 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.360 don't we can't prosecute every crime that occurs every moment of every day, so 662 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.800 prosecutors have to choose which ones make the most sense in terms of the public 663 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:47.280 interest. That's fundamentally political decision. I think it involves things that I think 664 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:51.519 elected politicians really know best. So that's why we elect a president, and 665 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.800 the president is the one who takes care the laws are faithfully executed, and 666 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.760 that president, for good or ill, under this administration, sets the priorities 667 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.519 of what are going to be prosecuted or not. Now, because it's a 668 00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:07.800 political choice, though, that's how we influence it. So I quite agree 669 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:12.920 with Lucretian Steve when they were beating the drama about this two tiered system of 670 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.320 justice. I agreed that Hunter Biden seemed to be getting a free pass while 671 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:22.280 Donald Trump and his associates are under a microscope. So I thought the right 672 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.599 answer is what the Justice Department did, which is to appoint a special counsel. 673 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:30.639 The answer is not to lift the scrutiny on Trump. The answer is 674 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:36.119 to increase the investigation and the Hunter. So that's of equal importance. Special 675 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.719 counsels of really the first step of that. Now, I would not have 676 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:45.559 chosen the same guy who's been investigating Hunter and gave him this sweetheart plead. 677 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.400 It's really bizarre plead deal. So instead, I think the next step and 678 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.199 the reason why special counsel was pickby was really because of the political pressure being 679 00:48:53.239 --> 00:49:00.639 brought by the House all these revelations we've been hearing about Joe Biden's involvement in 680 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.480 the Hunter Biden influenced Pealing scandal. So I think the next step is for 681 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.360 those guys in the House to keep pushing hard politically and to get a new 682 00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:14.000 special council appointed. People forget, I mean I was around for this stuff. 683 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:19.079 People forget. Ken Starr was not the first Special Council of Independent Council 684 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.760 to investigate Clinton. There was another guy before him, and he was doing 685 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:27.840 such a bad job that everyone decided he had to go, and ken Starr 686 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.400 was appointed instead. And I think that's what we got to do here with 687 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.679 the guy down in Wilmington, Delaware. Weiss bring in someone. I say, 688 00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.280 let's bring in our version of Robert Muller and get to the bottom of 689 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:44.679 this. I think the most interesting story late in the week is well explain 690 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.159 maybe by the old management book from the seventies, the Peter Principal. You 691 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:51.440 remember that one James the Peter Principal said, all right, I was the 692 00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:53.599 big hot book in the seventies for management circles that the Peter principal was, 693 00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:58.239 and help me if I get this badly wrong. That everyone sooner or later 694 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.480 rises to their level of in competence. YEP. That certainly explains Kamela Harris, 695 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:07.320 but it also explains Biden, who for some reason had apparently an anonymous 696 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:14.360 email account by which he participated in his son's scheming, and his chosen alias 697 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:19.559 was Peters. There's something poetic about that, I think, and I'm not 698 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.039 sure. I don't know what was it Richard Peter? It was it Richard 699 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.800 Peter. Peters might have been Yeah, I forget the first name, but 700 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.360 I just think that was. It's Dick Peters. He is what he's going 701 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.480 on. I know you guys did in Cursive, Minnesota. Come on, 702 00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:36.559 you guys are seven. I've said nothing, nothing that would violate FCC standards. 703 00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.119 Go on. That was always gonna say. I don't know yet what 704 00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:42.559 the content of those emails are, but it sounds like that as the next 705 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.880 avenue of probably very damaging revelations of what was going on. You know, 706 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:51.960 and we all know what that's about, don't we. I mean the idea 707 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.000 that Hillary Clinton was running the secret little email thing out of our server in 708 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:58.320 the closet, and it was only doing so was to keep yoga appointments and 709 00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:02.360 winning details private. Every Body with a brain knows that that was set up 710 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:07.039 to avoid freedom of information requests, right to keep the things out of the 711 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.880 archives, right to maybe say, okay, a little money in the Clinton 712 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:14.400 Foundation, we'll see what we can do about this bill that your ambassador says 713 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:15.920 he would like to maybe see down the road. I mean, the idea 714 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:22.159 that that doesn't happen or didn't happen, is absurd. If you can make 715 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.199 the argument that it probably didn't because the Clintons were so simon pure and and 716 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:30.159 built of such stern ethical timber that they would never do some things. But 717 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:35.119 let's just say it's within the realm of possibility, just like it's within the 718 00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:39.000 realm of possibility that Joe Biden or somebody set up for him an alternate email 719 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:45.360 account where he could keep things of Rosa. It's within the realm of possibility. 720 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.280 So I'm waiting for that one to come out, because when you lay 721 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.840 that at people's feet and say, well, the president, here's the special 722 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.880 email account he has people eventually, if they're on the Biden side or not, 723 00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.800 the Biden side so much as just on the left or liberal don't care. 724 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:06.840 You don't care. They don't care because the basic end result of these 725 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.199 guys, their guys being in power are the good things, and the good 726 00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:17.239 things are unlimited abortion, welfare, state, moving towards green energy and all 727 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:21.960 the rest of it. Diversity, don't forget diversity and diversity to which they'll 728 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.760 add it on to an elite power elite. Well, not noisy here, 729 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:30.400 you're both wrong. Yes, diversity, but diversity in by the most superficial 730 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.000 aspects of ibe, shape and skin color, not of character, idol ideology 731 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.119 or anything like that. And a rule by elites is not rule by elites 732 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:45.280 in their mind. It is a careful steering and a wise manipulation of society 733 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:50.519 by the people who know best. And you would think that that concept had 734 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.000 been abraided significantly in the last three years, when it's evident that we that 735 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:58.039 that we haven't been and the old notions I mean, I mentioned this before. 736 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.880 Sci fi movies in the fifties, when they find the giant ant in 737 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.559 the deserts or the huge cricket climbing up the skyscraper, somebody phones the authorities. 738 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.000 They found it was not Manthra. No, I'm talking about a movie 739 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.400 with Peter Graves called The End. I think the beginning of the End is 740 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:15.599 what I'm talking about, Not Manthra, not that Japanese ridiculous stuff with men 741 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:20.840 and suits throwing each other around at a Tojo Stoti studio. No, they 742 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.360 would call the authorities, and the authorities would, as one respond into action. 743 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:29.000 Garages would open and out would stream the men on the motorcycles, and 744 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:30.840 the army would come with their jeeps and the rest of it, and the 745 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:31.960 police would fan out and there would be cars. It would go through the 746 00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.519 neighborhoods and tell everybody to leave for the hills, and everybody would leave for 747 00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:38.400 the hills. It was all very orderly because the authorities were in charge and 748 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.599 there was a basic trust that there is some of that still. We go 749 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.320 back to the movies that we saw even ten years ago, and you will 750 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:50.199 find in your basic action film that to consult the military will inevitably end in 751 00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:52.360 some ramrod guy with a buzz cut, straight neck and the rest of it, 752 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.760 who is all business, probably chopping a cigar like Jackie Ripper and has 753 00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.280 it together. Now we come to realize that likely the higher you go up, 754 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.960 the more you're going to find somebody who's been in the military bureaucracy all 755 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:09.119 their day is and it is more interested in producing adeis thing or or a 756 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:14.679 trans friendly dance act that they're going to use for recruitment. All of the 757 00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:20.960 authorities and elites that we that we believed in grudgingly or in or enthusiastically turns 758 00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.079 out to have been a misplace of our trust. So they while they still 759 00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:28.639 believe that in the idea of that though they still believe in the same old 760 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:31.239 things to come nineteen thirties H. G. Wells idea of a white robe 761 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:37.599 technocracy that can they can use science, which they believe in to solve all 762 00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:43.000 of our ills, and the rest of us are more content to devolve things 763 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:46.960 down to the lowest possible political atomic level whatsoever, which is why we'll probably 764 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:51.800 go out with this. You have those the countries now split firmly into two 765 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:53.800 camps, those who like the guy with the ginger beard singing that song and 766 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:59.079 those who don't. Those who don't don't like it because whatever, it's inauthentic, 767 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.480 it's it's ridicul it's crying, it's weeping, or as one guy, 768 00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:06.320 I think a National review said that you should be more grateful, and the 769 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:10.239 people on the right like it because it is an authentic statement of outrage and 770 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:17.960 lamentum from an unheard, unsung, unheralded minority. That's where I will take 771 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.320 it to Lucretia first, James really quickly on that. The problem that I 772 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:30.239 have with the positive way you spin that is that the difference now, maybe 773 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.920 between now the authorities and the authorities in the past, is that we used 774 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.039 to believe that those authorities had to be subject to the same laws, rules 775 00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:42.280 and regulations as the rest of us. And what we see now and we 776 00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:45.559 saw very clearly of course, and things like COVID and so on, is 777 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:52.039 that they're not that there's one set of rules for them and different set of 778 00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.599 rules for us, and they lorded over us. And I think that mister 779 00:55:55.719 --> 00:56:02.159 Gingerbeard really tapped into the resentment about that more than anything else. The money 780 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:07.840 that you know, it's it's not that things are so tough and we should 781 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.239 or they're not that tough when we should be grateful. It's that why do 782 00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:15.000 you get to do this and tell us we can't You can't go to the 783 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:16.960 grocery store, but we can go to the French laundry with our masks off. 784 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:24.599 John noted expert on Appalachian folk music. What say you? I gotta 785 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:30.719 say that I probably wouldn't like Appalachia or folk music, so that's probably not 786 00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:35.440 good for me to be associate with that. But this is the thing I 787 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:39.679 think conservatives have a hard time with, is your basic question? James and 788 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:45.159 me and Lucretia, I think we often disagree about this on our three Whiskey 789 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:53.840 Happy Hour podcast coming soon to a station near you. How how should conservatives, 790 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:58.440 I mean, we're like the borg we're taking over their resistance as feta. 791 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.559 How should conservatives think about institutions? Because yes, we have a lot 792 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:07.519 of problem with the way institutions have been run these many years. The universities 793 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:10.639 are only the you know, the beginning of the problem. Your time about 794 00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:15.440 law enforcement, now, corporations, Hollywood, media and so on. Military. 795 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:20.880 Yeah, But on the other hand, uh, you know, institutions 796 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:27.320 are you know, what maintains social stability and order and are really what's preventing 797 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.360 us from uh you know, Hobbes's war of all against all? And so 798 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:36.199 I do I do accept your diagnoses of the problems with institutions. What worries 799 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:40.559 me when I hear conservatives. I'm here right now teaching in Newport Beach, 800 00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.800 IF for the Claremont Institute, and we're studying a lot of what is going 801 00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:46.599 on in the conservative movement thesis, and there's a strong wing of people who 802 00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:52.840 want to burn everything down. And it really disturbs me because what's you burn 803 00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:57.159 everything down and you destroy all the institutions, because yes, many of them 804 00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.800 have been taken over by this sort of liberal blob. But what are you 805 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:04.960 going to replace it with? I mean, what's going to work? That's 806 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.760 what really works. I don't really hear good, good explanations for that from 807 00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.199 our friends on the right, which is, what are you going to do 808 00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.559 when you burn all the institutions down? What I mean might be worry It 809 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.920 could very well get much worse than it is now. Some cases, you 810 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:21.559 build parallel institutions. I think with colleges, as they're showing in Florida, 811 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:23.719 you can come up with an alternative model and see how that works. With 812 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:28.159 movies, and everybody points to the you know, the big hit this year 813 00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:30.800 and say it's proof that we can do this. On our own, etcetera. 814 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:37.199 No Barbian, Barbie and Oppenheimer, The Child, the sex Trafficking Movie. 815 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.519 And yeah, there's always going to be those those one offs, those 816 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:45.039 indie films that do great. But I would rather inhabit and occupy and change 817 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.360 the institutions that exist now because you have a certain I mean, yes, 818 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:51.920 it's hard to do because they're immovable. They're like, it's not like just 819 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.760 turning the Tachanic around. It's like the Titanic, the Oceanic and the Britannic 820 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.800 all all riveted together, and try to get them to do, you know, 821 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.159 one eighty turn while they're going forty. Here's here's where I think Lucresia, 822 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:07.880 me and Steve disagree. I think Lucretia would like to end the FBI. 823 00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.840 I think Steve would like to have the FBI moved to Wichita, Kansas. 824 00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.559 I think you'd just change a few people and policies, but you keep 825 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:17.599 the FBI pretty much the way it is now. Because if you got rid 826 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:21.840 of the FBI, then we're really screwed. I think, like, who's 827 00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:27.559 going to protect this from terrorists and drug dealers and organized crime? Correctis despite 828 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.880 all its faults, despite the mistakes that make getting into politics and conducting this 829 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:36.480 investigation into Trump from the headquarters. Still, the FBI is mostly very good, 830 00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.639 patriotic people, and we do need it. I agree to move to 831 00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:43.079 Wichita, that would be fantastic. And I think the way you do that 832 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:50.840 is that you have a general declaration of esthetic atrocities and at the HAG and 833 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:53.119 you have the World Court decide that the FBI building in Washington, DC is 834 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:57.320 the greatest affront of civic architecture ever built in the twentieth century. And then 835 00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.360 you tear it down. But you don't necessarily give them new place in town 836 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.280 yet, even though there's a lot of office space not being used in DC. 837 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.079 You just say, in Whichita we got we got a really nice new 838 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.079 place here, So why don't you just hang out here until we build your 839 01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:13.880 new building. I think you just don't build a new one. That's what 840 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.880 I would do, if I can sum it all up. More sacrificial children 841 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:22.039 boomers should have beat their young, and we should detonate large structures in DC 842 01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:25.079 and not tell anybody about it. And it's that kind of a reasonable thing 843 01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:29.760 that makes me the host that I am. I'm I'm going to leave now 844 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.840 you mentioned it's the Three Whiskey podcast, which indeed it is. 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Great, 883 01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.679 Okay, I'm gone, I'm gone, I'm out of here. James 884 01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:01.039 Ricochet join the conversation.