WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.240 --> 00:00:05.120 Karen, let's test your knowledge of Will. Oh boy, what is the 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:11.400 number one thing I've always wanted to do? Astral project That's right, that 3 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:15.599 eat unlimited cake. Oh, we need to get someone about cake. No, 4 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:19.839 No, this one's about astra projection. It's at all elusive skill set 5 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:24.760 that I've been trying to gain forever. Well, I think today we're going 6 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:29.079 to solve it. Yep. This episode is all about astral projection. What 7 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.600 is it really? What are the benefits of leaving your body? And most 8 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:37.679 of all, how to do it's steps by step Yep, we're diving into 9 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:41.359 the easiest way to master out of the body travel. Welcome to another episode 10 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:46.640 of the Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and I'm Karen, And unlike 11 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:49.960 Molder and Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey 12 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:54.119 of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. 13 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:58.079 We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a coven 14 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:02.640 of witches and wait joined a coven yep, fall on the interest of finding 15 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:07.040 something, anything that will prove that there's something beyond this physical, three dimensional 16 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:22.200 world we all live in. This is the skeptic metaphysicians. Hey you, 17 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.959 yes, you are you looking for a new podcast that appeals to your scientific 18 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:32.920 curiosity but is also a little bit spooky. Show me how I died in 19 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:38.480 a past life. 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Well today's stories called the Blind Girl, there was a blind 28 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:42.240 girl who hated herself purely for the fact that she was blind. The only 29 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:46.039 person that she didn't hate was her loving boyfriend, as he was always there 30 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:51.319 for her. She said that if she could only see the world, she 31 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:55.319 would marry him. One day, someone donated a pair of eyes to her, 32 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:02.319 and now she could see everything in looting her boyfriend. So her boyfriend 33 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:06.840 dropped to one knee asked her, now that you can see the world, 34 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:12.000 will you marry me. The girl was shocked when she saw that her boyfriend 35 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:17.039 was blind too, and she refused to marry him. Well. The boyfriend 36 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:23.000 walked away in tears and later wrote her a letter saying, I understand, 37 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:29.759 please just take care of my eyes. Dear. I won't even give you 38 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:34.000 the moral of this story. I'm sure the message is loud and clear. 39 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:44.639 Hey everyone, I'm will we are your guides of this journey of discovery. 40 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:50.080 Today We've got a special treat. Florentine Ionita is an astral projection teacher and 41 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:55.960 explorer who has created the world's most complete astral projection program, the Astral Projection 42 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:01.719 Accelerator Program. He's helped hundreds of students achieve out of body experiences with the 43 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:06.840 help of this systematic training methodology, and I could not be more excited to 44 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:11.639 talk to him today. Florentine, thanks for being on show. Hello, 45 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.840 Hello, Thanks to thank you for having me. So we've got a lot 46 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:16.560 to talk about, and I know Karen's going to tell you that I can 47 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.040 talk about this stuff forever, So I'm going to try to keep it as 48 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.959 concisely as I can't and let you speak for a little bit. But first, 49 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.879 let's set the table so that everyone is on the same page. Astral 50 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:30.480 projection out of body experiences, what exactly is it. There's a lot of 51 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.959 misconceptions out there, right, so let's put some of those misconceptions to rest. 52 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:39.319 Okay, great, So that's a good place to start, because there 53 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:44.800 is a lot of misconceptions. So the first one is the idea that we 54 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:50.319 are leaving our bodies and that's our body is gonna be empty, and that 55 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:54.480 someone's going to take over the body maybe or something that's gonna happen to your 56 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:57.480 body, and there's a fear there, maybe that we're not be able to 57 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:01.240 come back if we travel sound where there's all this whole idea of separating from 58 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:08.480 the body kind of thing. And although it feels like we are moving away 59 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.600 from the body, that we are leaving the body in a strength way when 60 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.079 we're doing it. I think the truth is more like we are not in 61 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.519 our bodies in the first place. Our consciousness is not in our brain. 62 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:27.399 Our consciousness is beyond this dimension in the first place, and it's projecting itself 63 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:31.199 to our physical body's of a human experience. And then when we ask to 64 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:39.560 project it's basically our consciousness projecting itself somewhere else in a different reality that will 65 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:44.879 be where as projection is so, you can also be in multiple place at 66 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.959 the same time. So you can be occupying your physical body while you're doing 67 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:53.680 this practice, aware of the physical body. At the same time, you 68 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:58.839 can be aware of a complete different reality as well. You can have multiple 69 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:03.160 parallel project actions. Okay, so if someone coming into this topic cold, 70 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:11.160 you just dropped about fifteen bombs if that sounds exist in less than two minutes, 71 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.800 So let's take it back for a second. But you mentioned that the 72 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.160 consciousness does not reside in the body. Then you're talking, of course about 73 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:21.759 the theory that our consciousness is not developed by a brain, but rather it 74 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.680 lives outside of our brain, and our brain is actually just a filter that 75 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:31.160 allows us to live in this three dimensional body. It's a super interesting thought 76 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.560 and one that I've talked about and thought about a lot, because the thought 77 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:42.480 of projecting our consciousness into our bodies to the use of our brains is intriguing 78 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.279 and it opens up a lot of possibilities in the quantum realm. If this 79 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.519 resonates with you, then this conversation is going to be easy one for you. 80 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:54.000 If it doesn't resonate with you, then we have got some work to 81 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:58.759 do. If it first in front, so then you are also talked about 82 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.279 being in multiple places at one time. At that point, now you're talking 83 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:08.040 about the fact that we are an infinite being. Also the quantum physics thought 84 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:11.560 that there is no time, that all time is happening simultaneously, so that 85 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:15.319 could be something along those lines. So trying to catch up those that aren't 86 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:19.959 as versed in some of these concepts. If someone doesn't resonate with some of 87 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:25.560 these concepts, for lack of a better word, is ask for projection completely 88 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:30.439 out of bounds for them. No, So there's like two different beliefs that 89 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.839 you can have with this. You can believe that like I was just like 90 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:40.000 saying before, that consciousness is beyond the body, beyond the brain, and 91 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:45.399 you can therefore travel to different realities that are outside of you, or you 92 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:49.079 can believe that consciousness is in your brain and that everything that's happening to you 93 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:56.319 is always in your mind, in your imagination. That canist, and that's 94 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.439 okay. You can have that belief, and you can still ask a project. 95 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.839 You can still have these experiences and now you can kind of make what 96 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:05.800 you want out of it. You can still you can believe that, oh, 97 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:11.240 that was just some type of dream or that was happening in my mind. 98 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.759 It's okay. You could have that belief, and I think a lot 99 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.319 of people do have that belief in the beginning. I think it's healthy to 100 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.680 have the belief of maybe this is all just the illusion or a dream or 101 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:28.759 imagination and whatever. And then you know you have that belief, you have 102 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.360 that skeptic kind of mindset, but you still have an open mindset with that 103 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.480 because you are willing to try this out for yourself. To start with the 104 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.080 practice, you start doing ductual work, and you start having experiences, and 105 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:46.320 then through that journey of experience, you start to shift your belief system. 106 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.360 You start to have experiences that maybe you won't be able to explain with that 107 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.679 theory that it's all in your mind, because maybe you will have an experience 108 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.840 where you see something outside of your room, maybe your neighbor's room, that 109 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.840 you have never seen before, and then you go out in the physical the 110 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:05.679 next day you check out the roof and you see actually the same thing. 111 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.279 You know, things like this happen all the time, or that people go 112 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:15.639 to people's houses and they overhear a conversation and they can come back and then 113 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.960 record a recall exactly what happened and tell that friend, I saw you having 114 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.120 this conversation with this person in these clothes. Is that true? Like, 115 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.600 yes, that's that happened. And those are those kind of confirmations, personal 116 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.200 confirmations that then take your experience, your perception of reality to another level where 117 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:39.039 you start to expand what you believe is true about this reality and about yourself 118 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.679 and about the universe. And it's kind of the whole purpose of this is 119 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.919 to take you on that journey of truth where you start to unravel more what 120 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.799 reality is and what you are and what is going on. And so it's 121 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.799 totally okay to have that belief in the beginning that everything is happening up here. 122 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.840 It's totally okay. One of the main questions I guess from people when 123 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:05.159 it comes to this topic is why why would you do this? Why would 124 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.240 you leave your body and going to different dimensions? And what's the point why? 125 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:16.360 For you? And for you you didn't you didn't actually ask me that 126 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.399 question because it's so clear to you why, And I wanted to ask you 127 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:22.720 why. Why do you want to ask a project? Why do you think 128 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.720 this is something that you would That's a great question for me. It's a 129 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.919 way of validating that this stuff is all real. So in the show up 130 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.799 and you'll hear, we talk about the fact that we're like Molder and Scullar, 131 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.159 we really want to believe. But I'm the kind of mindset that I 132 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.720 have to feel it. I have to sense it, taste it, touch 133 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.200 it right, I've got to know it's real before I can just full on 134 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:48.279 believe it. And I got that when it became a reiki practitioner. I 135 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.919 did feel these energies, which then led me to think, Okay, if 136 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.480 this is real, then there's boundary other things out there that are real as 137 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.240 well, but it's eluding me. So I figured if I can ask for 138 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:05.039 project, and if it as real as you're saying, like as palpable. 139 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.759 As it's not a dream state kind of real, then that is going to 140 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.320 prove without a shadow of a doubt for me that this stuff is real. 141 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.639 So that's really that's my why, that's why I've always wanted to ask you 142 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.320 project So for you, it's confirmation that this stuff is real, correct, 143 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.879 And it's very much the same for me. I'm very much like you, 144 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.320 like I need to have the experience to believe something. I conscious like believe 145 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.840 in everything, And that's kind of the whole purpose with after projection specifically, 146 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:35.279 it's like, don't believe what people tell you, don't read books about all 147 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:39.279 kinds of stuff, go ahead and just have to experience yourself. Learn how 148 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.000 to do it, find out for yourself, because the difference between believing something 149 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:50.919 and knowing something experiencing something is massive, so completely different territory. There's one 150 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.720 thing to believe that you might continue after physical death, there might be an 151 00:11:54.759 --> 00:12:00.440 afterlife, your uncle, that I might be somewhere out there, and through 152 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:05.000 experience, it's a very difficult different state of mind, right, So you 153 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.559 know, think about how that would feel to have that knowing through your personal 154 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:16.559 experience. It's a it's a very different experience and if someone wasn't motivated like 155 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.080 I am about confirmation. I think you alluded to earlier that there are certain 156 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.919 benefits two astral projection. Can you share some of those with us? Yes? 157 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.679 So to me ask, projection is a tool for spiritual evolution. It's 158 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:35.559 a it's a tool to discover your spiritual essence. And I think when you 159 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.360 are in the spiritual community, you learn about these different topics and you find 160 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.200 out that, oh, you are not a physical body, human being, 161 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.879 You're something more, You're something beyond this. The question comes up, like 162 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.120 what then? What am I? What am I more than this? And 163 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.360 how can I like experience this? And this will be the way to experience 164 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:58.600 this? And you can't experience this stuff with psychedelics. It can take different 165 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.360 subting, but that's a completely different thing, and it's usually maybe a bit 166 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.440 more intense, and not many people are ready ready for that. This stuff 167 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.679 is very smooth, you know. It's like I said before, you you 168 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.000 will take it to places that you're ready for. So it just smooth the 169 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.879 journey that you can go on and start finding about finding out about your your 170 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.799 essence, who you are, what you are about the universe and it's also 171 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.600 a tool to connect with somebody that has passed away, that has basically left 172 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.399 from this physical realm and gone into different realm. You can connect with them. 173 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:35.799 And we have students that do that all the time. And I mean 174 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.320 seeing a students that had lost their loved one connecting with them in the astrol 175 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:46.000 and then and then having the talk with them afterwards and seeing how happy they 176 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:50.919 are and how like you know, it's it's it's amazing because there's it's such 177 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.960 a healing experience built to talk to somebody that you love, that you you 178 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.639 think you've lost, but that you find out that you haven't lost them, 179 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:01.440 They're still there. And this is a tool for connect with somebody like that. 180 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:05.320 And then of course is the connecting with spiritual guides, which is a 181 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:07.200 which is a big one as well. Many people want to connect with their 182 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:13.240 spiritual guides that knows everything about them and get guidance on their life what to 183 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.240 do. We have one's doing called Ashwin. He found out his life purpose 184 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.600 with the help of his guides, and this is one of those superimportant things 185 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:28.919 to do, which is one of those keystones things that you want to do 186 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.080 as well. If you want to connect your spiritual guide, to get guidance, 187 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.200 to get help to navigate the astual because you won't know where to go, 188 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:37.799 but that you will know they can help you. It seems like a 189 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.039 no brainer to me. That's more of my motivation. I don't need the 190 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.799 proof because I do believe it, but I feel like it's something we're supposed 191 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:50.480 to do to become more and that's what that's what I want, right So, 192 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.120 in your estimation, Florentine, you think eventually everyone will get to the 193 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.840 point where they do this regularly. Is this part of our spiritual evolution? 194 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:01.120 Then I really believe that. I really believe that this is what we're supposed 195 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:07.600 to do. It was supposed to evolve our consciousness constantly, and I understand 196 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.399 what we are and what we are not and understand the truth, the truth 197 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.440 about this reality. Right So that's kind of ultimately what it is about, 198 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:20.440 understanding the bigger picture, and with that comes great, great peace, great 199 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.519 healing, great I mean, the more I think for you guys too, 200 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.879 the more you find out, the more kind of amazed you become about what's 201 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:33.960 happening, and the more the more love comes from that from knowing the bigger 202 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:39.639 truth, and so I think it's definitely a part of our evolution to go 203 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.759 on this journey of truth and expansion. So you said that some people might 204 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:48.120 think, well, was that a dream? So kind of take expanding on 205 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.039 that. Sometimes when you sleep, you have these dreams that are just incredible 206 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.279 and seem incredibly vivid, like you are right there, I mean, could 207 00:15:54.360 --> 00:16:00.559 you be, I guess while you're sleeping. As for projecting and not on 208 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.519 accident, but like not intentionally doing it, because it's something that can just 209 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.360 happen. Yes, that's something that happens actually to like ten percent of the 210 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.600 population. People have these spontaneous out about experiences and for the most part they 211 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.840 shriek out because they don't know what's happening. And it's very scary. If 212 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.639 you don't know that this is possible to start leaving your body, you might 213 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.320 you might think you're dying, you might you know, might think something weird 214 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:27.080 is happening. And then also it happens a lot in our sleep. When 215 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:33.080 we're sleeping, we have more unconscious experiences. For the most part, we 216 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:36.679 might not remember them, or might remember some pieces, maybe that we are 217 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:41.120 flying and we saw a village or something about we come back from that experience 218 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.200 and always kind of disregarded to be a dream, but sometimes could actually be 219 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.120 something more than a dream. But I think the best way to do this 220 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.360 is to describe what is what's the difference between a dream and an ask projection? 221 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.759 Because of the you know, the lines are kind of blurry. Yeah. 222 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.960 In fact, I was going to ask if someone's freaking out because they 223 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.319 do this in their sleep and suddenly the freaks they think they feel they're dying. 224 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.359 It must feel different, because that's always been my big thing, Right, 225 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:12.160 is it me just dreaming or using my imagination and feeling like I'm leaving 226 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.759 my body? Like does it feel other physical sensations when you leave your body? 227 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:19.519 Do you feel the wind whistling through your hair as you're lying to the 228 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:26.039 night or is it really just a mental projection? Great question. So that's 229 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.200 why people freak out because it's so real. They don't even know that they're 230 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.119 I mean, they don't even know that they're out of body. A lot 231 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.160 of times we have students when they go out of body, they actually think 232 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.279 there are standing in their room physically, and so they leave their body and 233 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.880 they're like, oh, oh, I'm just I'm still physically standing in my 234 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.240 room. Everything looks the same. They go back to the bed and then 235 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.720 they wake up and then they realize, oh my god, that I was 236 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:55.680 out of body just now. But it was so real that I thought it 237 00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:00.079 was physical reality. Okay, So it's it's that level of realism. And 238 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.319 sometimes people report that it's even more real than their physical experience. Okay, 239 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.000 So they feel encouraging to me because you talk to people and they're like, 240 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.039 oh, it's just like it's like just like it's in your imagination. And 241 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:15.039 to me, it's kind of a cop out if I'm not feeling it. 242 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.519 But I if I don't feel something different, it feels like I'm not really 243 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.519 astro projecting. So I'm hearing from you that it is indeed feels like you 244 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:30.480 are physically somewhere else. Yeah, it's it's insane. It's it's really insane. 245 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.880 Like I mean, when you it's only when you have the first time 246 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:37.279 that you can just like gross, what would just how much has happened? 247 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.079 Because I remember for me when I heard this as well, I was also 248 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.119 a bit skeptic. I was also thinking, hmm, maybe these guys, 249 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:49.000 these people are just imagining these things. Because I would go to different retreats, 250 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.039 to different workshops, meditation workshops, and I always meet these people that 251 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.279 they always had this very interesting stuff happening for them. When they're closing their 252 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:00.400 eyes, they sall kinds of stuff. And I was like, I don't 253 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.640 see anything. It's just I'm just I'm not even Yeah, nothing is happening. 254 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.039 And and I was always wondering if these people are just kind of making 255 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.680 things up or they're just I measuring things. Yeah, because people, it 256 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.359 wasn't stuff around all the time. Oh yeah, when I left my body 257 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.960 or it's such a buzzword. It's like everyone in this space is talking about 258 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:26.119 astro projection or leaving out of body experiences, like just throwing around like if 259 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:32.720 it was hotcakes. But but that's what makes someone like me who's been struggling 260 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.480 trying hard to do it for so long, get super frustrating and thinking, 261 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:37.759 no, you guys are full of crap. This is not it can't be 262 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.680 real. So yeah, totally, I mean that's exactly what happens if you 263 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:45.440 tried for a while and then doing get very far, then you know you're 264 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.519 you're you're gonna have all kinds of stories that you can tell yourself like this 265 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.319 it's not real, or maybe you're gonna have the uh, the limits and 266 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:56.160 belief but I had, which is I'm not gifted enough to do this. 267 00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:59.079 I don't have the billets to do this. This is for special people. 268 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:02.319 This is for someone that it's meditator for ten years exactly, and I'm not 269 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:04.400 one of those people. So a lot of things can come like that, 270 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:08.599 and that can also become a limited belief which blocks you from actually being able 271 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:11.640 to do it, because now you're creating a belief system around it that you 272 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:17.680 cannot do it, which is not helping you. So it's but yeah, 273 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:19.920 it's the moment that you have the experience is the moment that you truly go 274 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:26.000 Okay, this is possible, and the experience is extremely real. It's it's 275 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:32.640 very physical and you you you can feel things, you can you can you 276 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.599 can touch things with your hands, you can smell things, you can see 277 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:40.920 things, you can hear things. Sometimes you're hearing can be so and holst 278 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:45.680 that you can hear things that are really really far away from the room that 279 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.440 you're practicing in. Like for example, if I practice, if I do 280 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.960 the practice in a in a city like London, um I would be. 281 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:57.400 I can get into a state where I start hearing conversations of lots of different 282 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:02.119 conversations taking place, as if there's like people sitting in my room. And 283 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.559 in the beginning, a lot of times I actually got confused. I actually 284 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.960 thought someone walked into my room, and so I took off my headphones and 285 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:11.640 looked around, like, what's happen? Here? Is someone it's coming into 286 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.880 my room? There's nobody there, but it's so clear. The sound is 287 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:18.319 so clear. And if I do it in a place that's like just nature 288 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:23.240 around the area, I can hear birds and the river creaky, and like 289 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:27.440 the sounds that will be in that environment that hear very clearly as if they're 290 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:32.599 next to me. So it's very very interesting how our senses when we get 291 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:38.200 into these states, get very heightened beyond the physical possibility that we have with 292 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:42.839 our physical senses. That's interesting because sometimes when I dream, I can I 293 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:48.119 can smell things, or I can taste things. I just thought that was 294 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:49.640 normal dreaming. I don't know, will do you smell and taste in your 295 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:52.680 dreams? I don't ever ask you that. I don't think I ever have 296 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.359 No, I don't smell or taste or I mean hear things well, you 297 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.640 got to hear things well put well. In a dream, I'm more I'm 298 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:04.839 it's more less hearing it, more seeing it in my mind, Like I 299 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:11.200 know that there's someone saying something, but it's not like auditory really. Yeah, 300 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:12.680 yeah, I mean I don't I don't think. At the same time, 301 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.480 I also don't remember my dreams a lot. Very seldom do I remember 302 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:18.720 my dreams, so like when you have a dream that you're flying, you 303 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.279 don't feel it, like, um, the only dreams I've had have been 304 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.400 and it's it's been a very long time, so I had. One of 305 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:29.359 them is falling. I've had dreams I've been falling and that has been really 306 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:32.839 unnerving. Yeah, yeah, really unnerving. And now that I think about 307 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:36.880 it, larantine could that have been an astral travel in my dreams? I 308 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:38.440 mean it feels like you feel, you know, when you are on a 309 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:42.079 roller coaster and you go down one of those the drops and you feel in 310 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:45.680 your stomach. It kind of felt like that, believe it or not, 311 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.000 in the dream? Is that? Could that possibly have been a projection? 312 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.680 Yeah? So I wanted to do this before as well. It's just to 313 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.960 define what a dream would be, and then one astrich rejection will be because 314 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:00.680 they are cousins in a way. So the way I see it is that 315 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:11.240 there are multiple dimensions and they have different quality or different purpose as well. 316 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:17.559 And so to me, a dream is also a projection. Your consciousness is 317 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:22.720 projecting itself into a reality, and you're now experiencing it as as it is 318 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:27.960 your only reality in that moment. But the dream space, this dimension of 319 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.039 the dream, we call it a mental plane. It's kind of like it's 320 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.680 a mixture of everything that you know, you know, every everyone you meet. 321 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.400 It's it's kind of your simulated reality. You know, you might see 322 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:44.680 a picture and then your dream about that thing that was on that picture, 323 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:49.880 and your thoughts are very much blended with that reality, and it's changing. 324 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:56.920 It's very kind of liquidy. You know, you can look at one direction, 325 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.960 you see something, you look at the other one that you know when 326 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:02.640 you look back that the whole series now change two. You know, door 327 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:07.960 changes to a window. It's not very solid. And usually in a dream, 328 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:12.480 you will have your childhood friends, maybe your family, maybe lots of 329 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:18.759 familiar characters might be in that experience, and then a lucid dream would just 330 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:22.480 be the fact that you become lucid, You become aware in the dream that 331 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.839 you are dreaming, and then you can just see it's where it is, 332 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:27.640 you can see it. Oh, I'm in a dream. Now, I'm 333 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:36.440 in a dream reality dream dimension. Now a naster projection or an estheric projection, 334 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:38.759 or there's this other dimension you go to. When you go to those 335 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:45.799 places, they will be they will have different a completely different There will be 336 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.680 a different environment will not be the environment of your own creation. There will 337 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:55.440 be an environment where you're meeting more objective realities, places that are actually that 338 00:24:55.599 --> 00:25:00.079 exist, but on a different frequency of reality, and the things usually more 339 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.839 solid. If you look, you see a building on the right, you 340 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.960 look so left, we look back, the building is still there. And 341 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.680 so you cannot just change the environment as you as you wish, like you 342 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.920 can in elucid dream, where you can kind of change colors of the walls, 343 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:18.720 and you can you kind of have this power over that experience because it's 344 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:23.839 your generated reality that you are experiencing, and you are also creating that real 345 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:30.000 elucid dream and a dream, but as projection, you occupying a place that's 346 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.599 occupied by other consciousness beings as well, and you cannot just change things as 347 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.960 you as you want. Things are more solid, and a lot of times 348 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.559 when you project yourself to these places, you end up on a street maybe 349 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.200 that's just completely empty, there's nobody there. You have to kind of look 350 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.960 around to find something to do. It can be a bit empty in the 351 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:49.920 beginning, and to find maybe so much to talk to or to your figure 352 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:53.599 out where you are. It's a bit like you're just being dropped at in 353 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.640 a you know, a different city in a different world, or maybe in 354 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:02.559 a forest or that you know countless places to go and visit, and you 355 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:04.960 pick up a good point. All these places you go. We've heard that 356 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:10.160 you can go to astral school. We've heard that you can talk to God. 357 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.559 We've heard that you can see past loved ones. Is this just a 358 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:18.400 traveling of the mind. Is that you can go anywhere? Or these are 359 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.119 actual physical places that you go to, physical places. There are non physical 360 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.759 places that you go to. Maybe you can also go to physical places as 361 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.480 well. There will just be a different shift of frequency. But for the 362 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:36.000 most part, when we leave our when we project our awareness out of our 363 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:42.279 bodies or in different realms. We the frequency that our consciousness is in that 364 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:48.680 in that states is um. It's usually a frequency that doesn't really it's harder 365 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.920 to be it's it's harder to be in a physical dimension. So it's harder 366 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:57.680 for somewhere to to get into this physical realm with a non physical body than 367 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:02.240 there is for them to be in a non physical I see. So it's 368 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.640 not like I can go visit my daughter at school in an astral form and 369 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.680 just kind of sit in watch her in school, or yes you can, 370 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:14.200 you can, just saying that it's a bit more unnatural and bit more difficult 371 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:18.240 for the for you to do that versus to be in the astral which is 372 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.039 like completely your natural environment to be in when you are in this form, 373 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:27.000 in this stet of consciousness. So in one of the environments, is everybody 374 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:33.240 else else in there also astral projecting? Yeah, so you you might go 375 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.000 for the most part this is this is a hard question because there's so many 376 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.920 ways that this could this could take place. Leave it to caring to ask 377 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.359 the hard questions. But yeah, you could be uh, you know, 378 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.960 traveling out of body and visits. So I would say like there's some people 379 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.680 naturally, they're as soon as they're out of body, they're like in their 380 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.920 flats, they're in their house, they're like looking around, they're going through 381 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:02.720 the wall, going out their neighborhood. They're seeing things in their physical reality 382 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:06.400 very easily. They're like their their energetic body has that kind of have that 383 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:10.480 frequency that it's kind of drawn to the physical a lot, and it's very 384 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.319 easy to for it to be there. While other explorers when they got a 385 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.480 body, they always end up in a completely different reality. They're never in 386 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.519 their surroundings, and it's kind of difficult for them to go to the physical 387 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:27.160 world, so to speak. But you can go anywhere, like you know, 388 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.160 you can train yourself to go to different places, and we have the 389 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.880 ability to do both. I think a good way to think about it because 390 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.920 we all have the Internet nowadays, so we understand how there's different websites on 391 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.680 the Internet that you can access with your computer, and that there's a network 392 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:47.559 that can connects all of these websites. You can think about that in the 393 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:52.759 same way with dimensions. You have multiple dimensions that there will be like same 394 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.839 as a website, and then you have the network that connects the different websites, 395 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:02.160 which is the quantum field, which connects all of these different dimensions, 396 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:07.319 and then which your consciousness. You're able to travel to this different websites or 397 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:12.319 dimensions, and they're countless of them. I mean, I don't know if 398 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.000 we didn't even know how many there are. There can be infinite amounts of 399 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:21.000 different places to go to. And some of them are super evolved, you 400 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.279 know, they're in the future. You know, they have like flying cars 401 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:30.079 and technology understand, and others might be super like primitive and having an invented 402 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:36.079 fire and they're kind of you know, very confused and everything. Yeah, 403 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:41.000 there are so many questions. I mean so many questions. We are just 404 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.440 getting started. When we come back, we gotta take a break. When 405 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:48.079 we come back, we're going to start talking to Florentine about potential dangers with 406 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.440 astral projection and then get into the nidia of how to do it. So 407 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.839 stay with us when we come back. You're not gonna want to miss the 408 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:11.559 rest of this interview. And we're back with the skeptic metaphysicians. Today we're 409 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:17.440 talking to Florentine Anita, who is a master astro projector. He's a teacher 410 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:22.519 who taught hundreds of people how to achieve out of body experiences. He's got 411 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.200 a systematic training, a methodology that is shore fire. So we are pricking 412 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.319 his brain about all things astro projections because, as you know, this is 413 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.960 my favorite topic in the world. We talked a lot about what astra projection 414 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.640 is in all that kind of stuff before the break. Now I want to 415 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:45.880 get into the nitty florentine first and foremost. I've read Bob Monroe's book Journeys 416 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.359 out of the Body, and a lot of people who are listening know about 417 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.680 the Monroe Institute and all the research that they've done with Hemisinc. Which is 418 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.680 sinking the two hermospheres of the brains using binaural beats, all that kind of 419 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.039 stuff. The CIA has a whole document now that you can look for it 420 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.240 yourself right now. You can download it, the Gateway Project. It talks 421 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.759 about him sink and things like that to achieve out of body experiences. But 422 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:15.720 in Bob Monroe's book, there's a part that made me very scared because he 423 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:22.599 started talking about encounters with entities that maybe aren't the best things to run into 424 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.640 in the astral plane. Is there anything that we should be afraid of when 425 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.920 we first leave our bodies. You've already mentioned that no one's going to come 426 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.200 over and take our bodies or anything. But are there any entities out there 427 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:38.160 that we might get a little nerve wreck over, demons or beings or astral 428 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:44.480 beings that maybe don't want the best for us? Okay, So first, 429 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:51.319 what I would like to share is that when we leave our when we project 430 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.400 our awareness and we leave our bodies in this way, we are still going 431 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:59.920 to be in a world of duality. We're not leaving duality, and it's 432 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.400 times soon, you know, We're still there. So of course there's going 433 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.599 to be dark, darkness and light. There's going to be fear, that's 434 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:14.079 going to be love, so there's going to be beings of lower vibrations and 435 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:20.680 beings of high vibrations. It's going to be dimensions where there are weird creatures 436 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.160 and sick people and all kinds of weird stuff going on, and there's going 437 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:30.319 to be places that are full of light and love and beauty and amazing and 438 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.440 profound. There's everything. Just like on the internet, you can go on 439 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:45.039 you can find crazy websites and you can find beautiful websites you can and just 440 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:50.960 like in the physical reality you can go to places that are very scary and 441 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:55.680 dangerous, you can go to places that are beautiful and amazing. And it's 442 00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:01.240 interesting because sometimes I wonder, like foll beingcarnated here, did we get any 443 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:07.359 debreas from somebody what is going to be like to have a human physical life? 444 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:13.400 And if we did, how did that being, you know, describe 445 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:20.400 it to us. It's it's interesting because I think even I'll believe that even 446 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.519 you know, we will probably know a lot about this place before we come. 447 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:28.920 And even though we know that there are crazy things going on here and 448 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.400 you can get killed, and there's wars, and there's rape, and there's 449 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.839 so many bad things that can happen to you, we still choose to come 450 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.400 here and experience a physical life because there's so much growth, there's so much 451 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.599 potential to have this physical life. And so I see an abjection a bit 452 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:52.000 like that too. There's everything out there, but there's so much amazing things 453 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:58.240 out there that those negative things that are out there shouldn't sort of stop here 454 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:02.000 from going out of body. So that's the first thing, And then the 455 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:09.559 second thing is that we are indestructible. We are not fragile. When we 456 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:15.559 got a body, we you know, the other day, I was in 457 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.519 a dimension where I was witnessing a fight and there was some sort of police 458 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.679 force fighting some other people. I don't know what it was exactly, but 459 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.960 I as soon as I saw that, I ended up just in the middle. 460 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:30.440 Because a lot of times, when you focus on something, you just 461 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:37.239 arrived there because your focus is there. And this, this actual police officer 462 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:43.719 of some sort started to attack me, started to punch me, and the 463 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.760 punches went through me like nothing. I couldn't feel anything. It wasn't hurting 464 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:49.800 me. There was no pain, there was nothing. It was just like 465 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.920 it was a strange, a bit strange. So I've had dreams were someone's 466 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.159 fighting me and I, you know, either I don't feel it or I 467 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.440 can't hit them right. But but I've always known it was a dream. 468 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.159 Now, what you talked about before the break, you said that it is 469 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.320 a definite palpable difference from a dream. You you were there more real than 470 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:14.320 real, almost, as what you said. So these punches when he was 471 00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:15.360 going he was hitting you, and it was good. He's just going right 472 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:20.440 through you. It wasn't a dream. You were there, that astrol cop 473 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.920 was there and he was throwing punches at you, and you just weren't feeling 474 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.480 it. It just it's kind of hard to wrap your head around how that 475 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:28.320 could Yeah, it's hard to wrap your hand around it. Well, I 476 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.960 think too, I think what it could be. What help is think about 477 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:37.000 it as a like we we are physical right now, We're in a physical 478 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:43.119 body, and when we touched things in the physical, these things, these 479 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:46.440 objects in the physical, they're vibing, vibring at the same frequency, so 480 00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:51.239 they're solid to us. We cannot put our hands through the table, you 481 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.639 know, it's it's a hard surface. But when we are out of body 482 00:35:54.840 --> 00:36:00.840 and this no physical formats um like I can touch my table in my room 483 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.199 and I can actually put my hand through the table. I can still feel 484 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.519 that it's an object. I can feel the surface of it, but if 485 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.880 I press, I'll actually be able to put my hand through it. So 486 00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.639 we are a bit like a ghost, but not a ghost like made of 487 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.760 air that just kind of like just disappears and appears. It's a bit more 488 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.199 solid, but it depends on the frequency that you're occupying that dimension that you're 489 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:29.360 in you know, the vibrations of that dimension and the vibrations of the body 490 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.679 that you're having in that moment. It is complicated stuff. For sure, 491 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.960 he was punching in his hands were going through you. Was were you maybe 492 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:43.199 in a physical dimension where he was like we are now here? That makes 493 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.000 sense? So like, yeah, you couldn't put his hand through the table 494 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.880 sort of thing, but since you were astral he could put his hand through 495 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.679 you. Does that makes sense at all? It doesn't ask it. Yeah, 496 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.960 though it makes a lot of a lot of sense. And to be 497 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.519 honest, I don't know. I don't know everything, Like I don't know 498 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.440 why he's he's hand went through me. I was surprised. But I also 499 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.039 know that sometimes I have got a body, and I have a body, 500 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.119 and sometimes I don't have a body. So sometimes I look down and there's 501 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:15.360 nothing and it's I'm just a point of awareness in space, and sometimes I 502 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:19.679 have a body. Sometimes I look myself in the mirror and I see something, 503 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.440 I see someone not necessarily me. Sometimes it can be different to me 504 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:30.840 and peril dimensions. Sometimes I can see myself. It's cool. Yeah, 505 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:34.800 sometimes I look myself in the mirror, but I see through me. I 506 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.920 see the seeing the background as if I don't even exist. What I've what 507 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:44.559 I've seen is that a lot of times when I when I look at my 508 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:46.800 hands, which is one of the reality checks, it's look at your hands 509 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.920 to see if you're you know, if you have five fingers, because then 510 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:52.159 you know, okay, if you have five fingers and they look normal, 511 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.559 for the most part, you're going to be in the physical. But if 512 00:37:54.559 --> 00:38:00.480 you have weird looking fingers, then you are most likely the all physical environment. 513 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:02.440 Now, what often happens to me is that when I take out my 514 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:07.960 hands, I don't even have hands. I just I'm used to it from 515 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:09.960 the physical, from being a human, that I'm supposed to have hands. 516 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.559 But in the all physical I do like this, and I don't see them. 517 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.800 But because I'm focusing on having hands, I can see how they start 518 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.320 to grow out, like I see my palm growing out, and I see 519 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:24.159 my fingers popping out one by one like and then I have hands because I 520 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:29.199 projected them, like you can create things in the in these dimensions with your 521 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:34.800 consciousness. Your consciousness is extremely creative in that, And that kind of brings 522 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.599 me to another point. I wanted to make about the original question, which 523 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.440 is entities and all that. Yep, your consciousness is going to be a 524 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:50.480 very important sort of starting point for your your experiences. The background you have, 525 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.039 your your knowledge, the way you see a reality, the your your 526 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:58.119 state of being is going to have the bastive impact. So if you're somebody 527 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.559 that has a lot of steer, if you or someone that has been consuming 528 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:07.159 a lot of fearful content about as projection, or you're super religious and you 529 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.199 think this is a sin and that the devil's going to come and after you, 530 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.639 or that there's demons to come in after you, it's very possible that 531 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:21.599 you're going to create that kind of experience for yourself because your consciousness isn't separate 532 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.719 from the experiences. You can see that in the physical. You can see 533 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:29.599 how in the physical manifestation works like that. You know, you can focus 534 00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.199 on the thoughts something like a car or something that you want to happen, 535 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.039 and then that would then appear in your physical reality, usually with some sort 536 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.440 of delay, usually take maybe hours, weeks, years for you to manifest 537 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.400 the thing that you've been focusing on. Now, in these non physical realities, 538 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.239 you can manifest things very quickly. They just happened very instantly, right 539 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.320 right, So it goes back to always creating your own reality. In that 540 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:59.280 world, there is no veil, so you can manifest much more immediately than 541 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.679 you can the sweet dimensional world. So I'll take the answer about whether there 542 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.360 are dark entities out there as a check. Yes, there are first, 543 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:12.199 but it's really dependent on your mindset. So if there's that such a thing, 544 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:16.480 and I totally get why there would be entities like that, how do 545 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.039 you protect it? Well, you mentioned that we were indestructible, so it 546 00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.000 really is not is there a need for protection or is there something we need 547 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:28.400 to do or prepare ourselves other than think good thoughts before we start doing this 548 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.880 stuff? Well? Yeah, so there's a lot so much to say about 549 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:37.679 this. So one of the things that thinking good thoughts can not necessarily but 550 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:42.840 it doesn't necessarily work because you can think good thoughts on the surface on the 551 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.840 conscious level, but on the subconscious level, you might have a lot of 552 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:51.159 fears and limits and beliefs and all kinds of stuff lingering there which you might 553 00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.159 not know of, or you might know of if you kind of go deeper 554 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:58.159 with yourself. So it's very important to deal with that kind of stuff. 555 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.199 To be honest, when I learned about these things about when I learn about 556 00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.960 as projection, the first experiences I've had were very pleasant. There is no 557 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:13.880 there's nothing, there's nothing negative about anything. I've started to have more weird 558 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.239 experiences when I start reading about the weird stuff online. That's when I start 559 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.440 to have more weird experiences. And I've seen that there's a connection between the 560 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:27.320 things that you think, the things that you worry about, your fears, 561 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:31.360 and the experiences that you will have. And I've also start to see how 562 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:37.199 there's this you know, there's this mechanism of consciousness to take you on a 563 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.320 spiritual journey, to get you to heal, to get you to evolved. 564 00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.840 And you know how how consciousness works, Like as soon as there is fear 565 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.000 in your physical reality, than consciousness arranges itself so that you can face that 566 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.119 fear, so that you can overcome that fear, so you can hear heal 567 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:59.880 that fear. We are constantly taken on a journey of healing. And so 568 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.639 it's the same in these these other rounds. If you have a bunch of 569 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:09.119 fears or worries, you will be taken onto experiences that will challenge those fears 570 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:14.400 and will essentially help you too. Over I mean, it's that they're made 571 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:19.280 so that you're supposed to overcome them. It's supposed to kind of look at 572 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.719 them and kind of laugh at them. You know, see a demon let's 573 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:23.480 trying to attack you, and instead of being like, oh my god, 574 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:25.599 it's a real I'm going to die, he's just kind of like, ah, 575 00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:29.599 I don't believe in you go away, and they kind of vaporize. 576 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.280 Apparently our dog wants to get involved in the conversation as well, probably saw 577 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.440 one of the entities and he's trying to ward it off. Right now, 578 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.639 they say animals are very sensitive. Yeah they are. Yeah, So what 579 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:44.239 you're saying makes so much sense. Now. I just wish I had not 580 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.679 read Bob monrote the book, because that's what I hadn't thought of dark entities 581 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.400 until I read his darned book. Now that's all I can think of. 582 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:55.320 Well, but it's okay, because you know, if the really cool thing 583 00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:59.800 about it is that think about it this way. To me, the way 584 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:05.039 I look at it is that physical reality is it's way more dangerous than non 585 00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:10.679 physical realities. Why well, because in a physical reality. If you are 586 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:15.960 in a situation that you don't want to be, if you're perhaps you're going 587 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.760 down a dark alley and someone wants to rob you or do something bad to 588 00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.159 you. In that moment, in the physical reality, you're gonna have to 589 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:29.320 fight, or you're gonna have to run, or it's it's tricky and you 590 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.519 can get hurt. You can even die. Maybe you get run by a 591 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:37.039 car that hits you and you get really injured and your physical body dies and 592 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:42.159 came over in the physical realm. But if you're out of body having these 593 00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.559 experiences, which by the way, you're having all the time where you're sleeping 594 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:51.599 anyway, no, unconsciously, unconsciously when you are, then let's say in 595 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.480 a place that you don't want to be, maybe you're seeing some weird entity 596 00:43:54.559 --> 00:44:00.199 that is coming towards you or whatever. You can just think about returning back 597 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:04.719 to the body. You can just think about your room, or think about, 598 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.599 oh, I want to go home now, and boom winness immediate second, 599 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.079 you're now waking up in your bed and you're completely safe and sound. 600 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.440 There's nothing, nothing bad happened to you. Okay, So any weird experience 601 00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:21.199 that you don't like you can just come back to your comfort of your home 602 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:25.159 and your pajamas and just be completely comfortable and safe. How often can we 603 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:28.519 do that in the physical You know you're in somewhere you don't want to be, 604 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.320 and then you're just like, oh, I want to go home, 605 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:31.960 and then you're back in your your house, safe and sound. That doesn't 606 00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:35.840 happen. You have to go home somehow, right, it will be nice. 607 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.119 So we have stuper powers. When we're out of body. We can 608 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:45.800 teleport. Basically, we can fly. We can fly, we can go 609 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:51.440 through walls, we can do things that we cannot do with our physical bodies. 610 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.920 Because of that, we are sort of like superhuman. And in this 611 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:58.079 sort of body state, YE have a question here, do you want me 612 00:44:58.079 --> 00:44:59.800 to go? No, you can because I know what you're going to ask 613 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.280 ahead. Okay, that all sounds great. And sometimes I know that I 614 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:07.360 met some certain parties that I really wish I was home, and you know, 615 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:08.880 you kind of have to kind of have to be there, but you 616 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.679 have to just sit there and bear it. It's probably some some work functions. 617 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:17.320 But that all sounds understandable completely. I get it. It's it's yeah, 618 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.360 makes sense and I would like to before you go on to next question, 619 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.280 I would like to just share a little story just to hit a home 620 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:30.159 a little bit better for some people. Okay, because there is there is 621 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.920 not enough information about this stuff, you know, it's there's a lot of 622 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:42.760 misconception. So um, A lot of times people see dark figures and it 623 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.960 can be it can be very confusing and also can be very scary if you 624 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:50.840 don't know what it is sometimes, right. So, so a friend of 625 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.760 mine went out of body and in the kitchen saw this dark figure in the 626 00:45:54.800 --> 00:46:00.159 corner. And for the most part, most people will just get scared at 627 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:05.079 that point and no, thank you, come back to the body and just 628 00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.639 go, oh my god, there's a demon in my kitchen. I have 629 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:14.679 to sell the house right now. Exactly what my thought process was, we 630 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:21.239 can't stay yeah, exactly now. Luckily, this guy had a very different 631 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.559 mindset. He was very open minded, which is one of the key things 632 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:28.119 that you want to be with this, and he was like, m there's 633 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.360 a dark looking figure in the corner of my kitchen. I wonder what it 634 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:36.239 is. So he goes closer to this figure and as he gets closer, 635 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:40.360 he then realizes that because this this this darkness starts to kind of disappear and 636 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:44.800 he now sees clearly what it is, and it was his son, and 637 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:49.800 his son was having out a body experience. Oh while he was sleeping in 638 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:54.440 the other room. And now he's having an interesting conversation with his son, 639 00:46:54.480 --> 00:47:00.079 a little kind of back and forth thirty and sun kind of conversation, and 640 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.760 it's a beautiful experience. The next day he wakes up or he wakes up 641 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.039 from the experience and he's like, oh my god, I had this experience, 642 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.000 goes and talks to his son. His son didn't remember anything of that, 643 00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:15.239 unfortunately, but for him that was a beautiful experience. So he came 644 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.719 back from the experience going, oh my god, this was amazing. I 645 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.440 met my son out of bodying the kitchen. It's beautiful. And the only 646 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:28.239 difference if you look at this like the difference is what filters you put onto 647 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.440 the experience. You know, do you go into fear sort of way because 648 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:34.079 you don't know where it is and you discard it as something scary, or 649 00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.719 do you go into like open mindedness and you kind of go and find out 650 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.519 what it is. And this is what happens large times as well, that 651 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:44.519 people just kind of freak out and they run away and they report something negative. 652 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:46.599 A lot of times there could be something completely different than you that you 653 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:52.079 think, right, So instead of going into it with fear, maybe your 654 00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.719 suggestion is to go into it with curiosity. That makes sense, yes, 655 00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.360 curiosity, open mindedness. Love. So one of the things that we do 656 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.760 with our students is before the practice while in the practice, when they're starting 657 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.440 the process, is to focus on filling themselves with love so that that raises 658 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.960 their vibration to this frequency of love. And it's also one of the protective 659 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:20.559 mechanism that you can use when you're out if you are experiencing like some sort 660 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.519 of negative ends that they don't want to talk to. Now you you can 661 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:29.280 project your love out to that being or fill yourself with love and for the 662 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.639 most part, that will just dissolve. They'll just kind of disappear away. 663 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:36.599 I'd love it. You're helping me to get over my fear. So maybe 664 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.639 that could start doing this good. And that's a great tip for anybody listening 665 00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.239 too, if they're kind of starting to explore a little bit, just you 666 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.039 know, fill yourself with love. And besides feeling good, it'll protect you 667 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.920 as well. All Right, Florentine, let's get to the nitty of it 668 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.800 now that we're getting closer to the end of the show. What's the best 669 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:58.400 way for someone to experience something as miraculous as an out of body experience? 670 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:00.119 What's the best way? Well, the best way, I would say is 671 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:06.360 to work with somebody that has done it and that can show you the way, 672 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.599 because it is a confusing journey and as you can as you can tell 673 00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:12.639 by this just conversation, there's so many details to it. So if you're 674 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.639 trying to figure this out on your own, you're most likely going to get 675 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.519 stuck quite a few times on the on the journey. So it's it's really 676 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.920 helpful to have somebody that you're going to be spending time with, asking your 677 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:28.480 questions, doing the practice and then asking more questions, and that back and 678 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:32.320 forth is really really key because this is a it's a very it's a very 679 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.719 serious practice. You don't want to just like throw yourself in there. We're 680 00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:37.360 not knowing what you're doing. You want to have somebody help you with that 681 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:43.760 process. So that's what I would say. Now, are you looking for 682 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:49.039 to know some techniques or some tricks like that, or if it's we're going 683 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.960 to I know that you teach a class on this. You've helped hundreds of 684 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.159 people to achieve these results in by the way, you're going to gain another 685 00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:01.039 student here shortly after the show, Karen, we're going to add the links 686 00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:05.039 to your program directly on the show notes. So if you're interested, just 687 00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.039 go Skeptechnization dot com, go to his episode page. You'll see the link 688 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.159 there directly laid in for you, so it's easy for you to access it. 689 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:14.519 But if someone wasn't ready to reach out to you to talk to you 690 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.679 about getting into your program, is there anything that you can provide, any 691 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.519 tips on how to prepare themselves for doing something like this or even maybe achieving 692 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.840 a small monicum of success with it before reaching out to you. So I 693 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:29.880 would say, before reaching out to me, there's nothing you have to do, 694 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:34.840 because we work on everything from the beginning with the program that I've created, 695 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:36.719 because that was the whole idea. It was like, Okay, I've 696 00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.559 discovered something amazing. I want to show this with the world. People don't 697 00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.199 believe me when I tell them about this, So the only way to share 698 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.960 with them is to make them have the experience themselves by teaching them how to 699 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:52.559 do it from the beginning. So I knew that I wasn't the gifted person 700 00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:54.960 when I started this. I wasn't a master meditator, and I know that 701 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:58.760 the people I'm going to teach or the waist, I thought, if I 702 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.800 was, I want to teach someone like me that is not a gifted So, 703 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:07.360 you know, superhero, this stuff doesn't meditate for mate for years, 704 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.239 So how do I help that person? From step one? You know? 705 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:13.039 What do they have to do? So we covered all of that with the 706 00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:17.760 program and there's nothing you really have to do before that. In the program, 707 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.400 we work on the beginning. We talk about what it is that you're 708 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.400 gonna do, you know how this stuff works, to what to expect, 709 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:30.440 and it's we talk about the mindset. We talk about different blockages they might 710 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.119 have, and we work with healers and hypotherapists too to help you overcome some 711 00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.480 blockages that you might have. Like if you know you have a fear of 712 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.800 going out of body, we need to work on that. You can't have 713 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:45.599 that fear and practice it because it's not gonna work. You're gonna you're gonna 714 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.039 stop yourself, like you're subconscious knows when you're ready for these different steps. 715 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.000 And that's another thing that I didn't mention before, but it's almost like there 716 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:58.760 is a safety mechanism built in place the whole time. You will not be 717 00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.360 taken too far are if you're not ready for it, you'll all be taken 718 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:05.320 to you know, as far as you're ready. So a lot of times 719 00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.320 people might have even fear to get out of body in the first place. 720 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.519 And so if you have that fear when you're in that state you started to 721 00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.679 get close, you'll then feel fearful and then it will stop, so you 722 00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:19.920 won't be able to get out if you have that fear. So then we 723 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:23.039 have to be incorporated you know solutions that which is where you hit the therapist 724 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:29.480 to help you overcome those fears so that you then can feel relaxed and so 725 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:34.239 you can get into this state. And then the program continues with videos on 726 00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:37.679 teaching the three main methods of how to get a body. You know. 727 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.039 The first method is a way to do it through dreaming, to become conscious 728 00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.320 that you're dreaming, and then you can transition from a dream into Naska projection. 729 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:50.559 The second one is one of one of the more powerful one, which 730 00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:54.199 is in when you're going to sleep, there's a special soundtrack that I've created 731 00:52:54.239 --> 00:53:00.639 that wakes you up just enough that you should pot some sort of techniques that 732 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:06.400 can then take you out of body from sleep, from waking up from sleep. 733 00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.039 And then the third one is of course through deep meditation, where you 734 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:14.559 meditate yourself into this very very deep state where you then can get a body. 735 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.960 So we teach all of these different methods and we'd tached that with videos, 736 00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:21.639 and we have soundtracks, special soundtrack for each method. And then we 737 00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.360 have the coaching of course, which is so key. That's where you can 738 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:28.840 ask questions personal questions about your situation, how you are doing the practice, 739 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.079 and how you have to change the practice slate it's more successful for you. 740 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:39.239 So that is the that's how the program works. And if you wanted to 741 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:43.559 prepare anything for the program, if you felt if you still feel like, 742 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.519 oh, I still want to do some sort of work before this program, 743 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:52.280 then I recommend watching our video. We have a video on the website that 744 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.960 it's about half an hour long that goes through a bunch of stuff like this 745 00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:07.599 and another one is to meditate. To learn how to meditate, so learn 746 00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:12.960 how to concentrate your mind on one thing very important for the practice. That's 747 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.760 how we get more control over where we go and what we do. Great 748 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:21.480 good starting points, right, So the very best way to learn how to 749 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:25.480 ask to project is to reach out to Florentine Unita and join his accelerated program 750 00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.360 because he's going to walk you through. He's going to hold your hand and 751 00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.960 walk you through every step of the process safely. So people like me who 752 00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:39.880 are afraid of and encountering entities or dark entities or beings that maybe don't want 753 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:43.239 me out there, you can help us through it. So that's great, 754 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:45.679 all right, I'm sold, you sold me. I'm on board. But 755 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.800 we're going to add direct links to that program in our show notes like I 756 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.599 mentioned earlier. But we're also going to add links to your social media so 757 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:58.000 people can reach out to you if they're so inclined. Go to skeptic menifizition 758 00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:01.000 dot com so you can connect with Florentine directly. If you have any questions 759 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:04.760 about Ask for Projection. He's the man to go to. You can certainly 760 00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:06.920 come to us, but we're not going to be able to answer him. 761 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.800 So ready to go? Yeah in a good way. Yeah, we're not 762 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:14.440 gonna say to go, and I'll tell you where to find some answers. 763 00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.639 That's right, that's right, all right, Florentine. It's been an absolute 764 00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:21.119 pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your wisdom 765 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:22.719 with us. Thank you, thank you so much for having me and looking 766 00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.280 forward to see you in the Ask show soon. It sounds good to me. 767 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.840 Yeah, we'll have a party. Well. Thanks for coming along on 768 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.760 this journey discovery with us. We'd love to continue our conversation with you on 769 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:38.679 our website at Skeptic Metaphysician dot com, or on Facebook and Instagram under a 770 00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:44.440 Skeptic Metaphysician podcast. If you know someone who would benefit from hearing the messages 771 00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.360 we're sharing on the show, do them and us a favor and share the 772 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.559 show with them. It will help get the word out about us and it 773 00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.320 may just change someone's life for the better. And if you're listening to this 774 00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:59.079 on the radio and you missed something, well, not to worry. All 775 00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:02.280 of our shows, including this one, can be found at Skeptic metaphysicians dot 776 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.360 com, where you can also watch the videos, or even send us an 777 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:12.880 email or voicemail directly from the site. We absolutely love feedback and would appreciate 778 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.559 hearing from you. I hope you've enjoyed this episode as much as we have. 779 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.639 That's all for now. We'll see you on the next episode of The 780 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.119 Skeptic Metaphysicians. Until then, take care of