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Today We've got a special treat. Florentine Ionita is an astral projection teacher and
explorer who has created the world's most complete astral projection program, the Astral Projection
Accelerator Program. He's helped hundreds of students achieve out of body experiences with the
help of this systematic training methodology, and I could not be more excited to
talk to him today. Florentine, thanks for being on show. Hello,
Hello, Thanks to thank you for having me. So we've got a lot
to talk about, and I know Karen's going to tell you that I can
talk about this stuff forever, So I'm going to try to keep it as
concisely as I can't and let you speak for a little bit. But first,
let's set the table so that everyone is on the same page. Astral
projection out of body experiences, what exactly is it. There's a lot of
misconceptions out there, right, so let's put some of those misconceptions to rest.
Okay, great, So that's a good place to start, because there
is a lot of misconceptions. So the first one is the idea that we
are leaving our bodies and that's our body is gonna be empty, and that
someone's going to take over the body maybe or something that's gonna happen to your
body, and there's a fear there, maybe that we're not be able to
come back if we travel sound where there's all this whole idea of separating from
the body kind of thing. And although it feels like we are moving away
from the body, that we are leaving the body in a strength way when
we're doing it. I think the truth is more like we are not in
our bodies in the first place. Our consciousness is not in our brain.
Our consciousness is beyond this dimension in the first place, and it's projecting itself
to our physical body's of a human experience. And then when we ask to
project it's basically our consciousness projecting itself somewhere else in a different reality that will
be where as projection is so, you can also be in multiple place at
the same time. So you can be occupying your physical body while you're doing
this practice, aware of the physical body. At the same time, you
can be aware of a complete different reality as well. You can have multiple
parallel project actions. Okay, so if someone coming into this topic cold,
you just dropped about fifteen bombs if that sounds exist in less than two minutes,
So let's take it back for a second. But you mentioned that the
consciousness does not reside in the body. Then you're talking, of course about
the theory that our consciousness is not developed by a brain, but rather it
lives outside of our brain, and our brain is actually just a filter that
allows us to live in this three dimensional body. It's a super interesting thought
and one that I've talked about and thought about a lot, because the thought
of projecting our consciousness into our bodies to the use of our brains is intriguing
and it opens up a lot of possibilities in the quantum realm. If this
resonates with you, then this conversation is going to be easy one for you.
If it doesn't resonate with you, then we have got some work to
do. If it first in front, so then you are also talked about
being in multiple places at one time. At that point, now you're talking
about the fact that we are an infinite being. Also the quantum physics thought
that there is no time, that all time is happening simultaneously, so that
could be something along those lines. So trying to catch up those that aren't
as versed in some of these concepts. If someone doesn't resonate with some of
these concepts, for lack of a better word, is ask for projection completely
out of bounds for them. No, So there's like two different beliefs that
you can have with this. You can believe that like I was just like
saying before, that consciousness is beyond the body, beyond the brain, and
you can therefore travel to different realities that are outside of you, or you
can believe that consciousness is in your brain and that everything that's happening to you
is always in your mind, in your imagination. That canist, and that's
okay. You can have that belief, and you can still ask a project.
You can still have these experiences and now you can kind of make what
you want out of it. You can still you can believe that, oh,
that was just some type of dream or that was happening in my mind.
It's okay. You could have that belief, and I think a lot
of people do have that belief in the beginning. I think it's healthy to
have the belief of maybe this is all just the illusion or a dream or
imagination and whatever. And then you know you have that belief, you have
that skeptic kind of mindset, but you still have an open mindset with that
because you are willing to try this out for yourself. To start with the
practice, you start doing ductual work, and you start having experiences, and
then through that journey of experience, you start to shift your belief system.
You start to have experiences that maybe you won't be able to explain with that
theory that it's all in your mind, because maybe you will have an experience
where you see something outside of your room, maybe your neighbor's room, that
you have never seen before, and then you go out in the physical the
next day you check out the roof and you see actually the same thing.
You know, things like this happen all the time, or that people go
to people's houses and they overhear a conversation and they can come back and then
record a recall exactly what happened and tell that friend, I saw you having
this conversation with this person in these clothes. Is that true? Like,
yes, that's that happened. And those are those kind of confirmations, personal
confirmations that then take your experience, your perception of reality to another level where
you start to expand what you believe is true about this reality and about yourself
and about the universe. And it's kind of the whole purpose of this is
to take you on that journey of truth where you start to unravel more what
reality is and what you are and what is going on. And so it's
totally okay to have that belief in the beginning that everything is happening up here.
It's totally okay. One of the main questions I guess from people when
it comes to this topic is why why would you do this? Why would
you leave your body and going to different dimensions? And what's the point why?
For you? And for you you didn't you didn't actually ask me that
question because it's so clear to you why, And I wanted to ask you
why. Why do you want to ask a project? Why do you think
this is something that you would That's a great question for me. It's a
way of validating that this stuff is all real. So in the show up
and you'll hear, we talk about the fact that we're like Molder and Scullar,
we really want to believe. But I'm the kind of mindset that I
have to feel it. I have to sense it, taste it, touch
it right, I've got to know it's real before I can just full on
believe it. And I got that when it became a reiki practitioner. I
did feel these energies, which then led me to think, Okay, if
this is real, then there's boundary other things out there that are real as
well, but it's eluding me. So I figured if I can ask for
project, and if it as real as you're saying, like as palpable.
As it's not a dream state kind of real, then that is going to
prove without a shadow of a doubt for me that this stuff is real.
So that's really that's my why, that's why I've always wanted to ask you
project So for you, it's confirmation that this stuff is real, correct,
And it's very much the same for me. I'm very much like you,
like I need to have the experience to believe something. I conscious like believe
in everything, And that's kind of the whole purpose with after projection specifically,
it's like, don't believe what people tell you, don't read books about all
kinds of stuff, go ahead and just have to experience yourself. Learn how
to do it, find out for yourself, because the difference between believing something
and knowing something experiencing something is massive, so completely different territory. There's one
thing to believe that you might continue after physical death, there might be an
afterlife, your uncle, that I might be somewhere out there, and through
experience, it's a very difficult different state of mind, right, So you
know, think about how that would feel to have that knowing through your personal
experience. It's a it's a very different experience and if someone wasn't motivated like
I am about confirmation. I think you alluded to earlier that there are certain
benefits two astral projection. Can you share some of those with us? Yes?
So to me ask, projection is a tool for spiritual evolution. It's
a it's a tool to discover your spiritual essence. And I think when you
are in the spiritual community, you learn about these different topics and you find
out that, oh, you are not a physical body, human being,
You're something more, You're something beyond this. The question comes up, like
what then? What am I? What am I more than this? And
how can I like experience this? And this will be the way to experience
this? And you can't experience this stuff with psychedelics. It can take different
subting, but that's a completely different thing, and it's usually maybe a bit
more intense, and not many people are ready ready for that. This stuff
is very smooth, you know. It's like I said before, you you
will take it to places that you're ready for. So it just smooth the
journey that you can go on and start finding about finding out about your your
essence, who you are, what you are about the universe and it's also
a tool to connect with somebody that has passed away, that has basically left
from this physical realm and gone into different realm. You can connect with them.
And we have students that do that all the time. And I mean
seeing a students that had lost their loved one connecting with them in the astrol
and then and then having the talk with them afterwards and seeing how happy they
are and how like you know, it's it's it's amazing because there's it's such
a healing experience built to talk to somebody that you love, that you you
think you've lost, but that you find out that you haven't lost them,
They're still there. And this is a tool for connect with somebody like that.
And then of course is the connecting with spiritual guides, which is a
which is a big one as well. Many people want to connect with their
spiritual guides that knows everything about them and get guidance on their life what to
do. We have one's doing called Ashwin. He found out his life purpose
with the help of his guides, and this is one of those superimportant things
to do, which is one of those keystones things that you want to do
as well. If you want to connect your spiritual guide, to get guidance,
to get help to navigate the astual because you won't know where to go,
but that you will know they can help you. It seems like a
no brainer to me. That's more of my motivation. I don't need the
proof because I do believe it, but I feel like it's something we're supposed
to do to become more and that's what that's what I want, right So,
in your estimation, Florentine, you think eventually everyone will get to the
point where they do this regularly. Is this part of our spiritual evolution?
Then I really believe that. I really believe that this is what we're supposed
to do. It was supposed to evolve our consciousness constantly, and I understand
what we are and what we are not and understand the truth, the truth
about this reality. Right So that's kind of ultimately what it is about,
understanding the bigger picture, and with that comes great, great peace, great
healing, great I mean, the more I think for you guys too,
the more you find out, the more kind of amazed you become about what's
happening, and the more the more love comes from that from knowing the bigger
truth, and so I think it's definitely a part of our evolution to go
on this journey of truth and expansion. So you said that some people might
think, well, was that a dream? So kind of take expanding on
that. Sometimes when you sleep, you have these dreams that are just incredible
and seem incredibly vivid, like you are right there, I mean, could
you be, I guess while you're sleeping. As for projecting and not on
accident, but like not intentionally doing it, because it's something that can just
happen. Yes, that's something that happens actually to like ten percent of the
population. People have these spontaneous out about experiences and for the most part they
shriek out because they don't know what's happening. And it's very scary. If
you don't know that this is possible to start leaving your body, you might
you might think you're dying, you might you know, might think something weird
is happening. And then also it happens a lot in our sleep. When
we're sleeping, we have more unconscious experiences. For the most part, we
might not remember them, or might remember some pieces, maybe that we are
flying and we saw a village or something about we come back from that experience
and always kind of disregarded to be a dream, but sometimes could actually be
something more than a dream. But I think the best way to do this
is to describe what is what's the difference between a dream and an ask projection?
Because of the you know, the lines are kind of blurry. Yeah.
In fact, I was going to ask if someone's freaking out because they
do this in their sleep and suddenly the freaks they think they feel they're dying.
It must feel different, because that's always been my big thing, Right,
is it me just dreaming or using my imagination and feeling like I'm leaving
my body? Like does it feel other physical sensations when you leave your body?
Do you feel the wind whistling through your hair as you're lying to the
night or is it really just a mental projection? Great question. So that's
why people freak out because it's so real. They don't even know that they're
I mean, they don't even know that they're out of body. A lot
of times we have students when they go out of body, they actually think
there are standing in their room physically, and so they leave their body and
they're like, oh, oh, I'm just I'm still physically standing in my
room. Everything looks the same. They go back to the bed and then
they wake up and then they realize, oh my god, that I was
out of body just now. But it was so real that I thought it
was physical reality. Okay, So it's it's that level of realism. And
sometimes people report that it's even more real than their physical experience. Okay,
So they feel encouraging to me because you talk to people and they're like,
oh, it's just like it's like just like it's in your imagination. And
to me, it's kind of a cop out if I'm not feeling it.
But I if I don't feel something different, it feels like I'm not really
astro projecting. So I'm hearing from you that it is indeed feels like you
are physically somewhere else. Yeah, it's it's insane. It's it's really insane.
Like I mean, when you it's only when you have the first time
that you can just like gross, what would just how much has happened?
Because I remember for me when I heard this as well, I was also
a bit skeptic. I was also thinking, hmm, maybe these guys,
these people are just imagining these things. Because I would go to different retreats,
to different workshops, meditation workshops, and I always meet these people that
they always had this very interesting stuff happening for them. When they're closing their
eyes, they sall kinds of stuff. And I was like, I don't
see anything. It's just I'm just I'm not even Yeah, nothing is happening.
And and I was always wondering if these people are just kind of making
things up or they're just I measuring things. Yeah, because people, it
wasn't stuff around all the time. Oh yeah, when I left my body
or it's such a buzzword. It's like everyone in this space is talking about
astro projection or leaving out of body experiences, like just throwing around like if
it was hotcakes. But but that's what makes someone like me who's been struggling
trying hard to do it for so long, get super frustrating and thinking,
no, you guys are full of crap. This is not it can't be
real. So yeah, totally, I mean that's exactly what happens if you
tried for a while and then doing get very far, then you know you're
you're you're gonna have all kinds of stories that you can tell yourself like this
it's not real, or maybe you're gonna have the uh, the limits and
belief but I had, which is I'm not gifted enough to do this.
I don't have the billets to do this. This is for special people.
This is for someone that it's meditator for ten years exactly, and I'm not
one of those people. So a lot of things can come like that,
and that can also become a limited belief which blocks you from actually being able
to do it, because now you're creating a belief system around it that you
cannot do it, which is not helping you. So it's but yeah,
it's the moment that you have the experience is the moment that you truly go
Okay, this is possible, and the experience is extremely real. It's it's
very physical and you you you can feel things, you can you can you
can touch things with your hands, you can smell things, you can see
things, you can hear things. Sometimes you're hearing can be so and holst
that you can hear things that are really really far away from the room that
you're practicing in. Like for example, if I practice, if I do
the practice in a in a city like London, um I would be.
I can get into a state where I start hearing conversations of lots of different
conversations taking place, as if there's like people sitting in my room. And
in the beginning, a lot of times I actually got confused. I actually
thought someone walked into my room, and so I took off my headphones and
looked around, like, what's happen? Here? Is someone it's coming into
my room? There's nobody there, but it's so clear. The sound is
so clear. And if I do it in a place that's like just nature
around the area, I can hear birds and the river creaky, and like
the sounds that will be in that environment that hear very clearly as if they're
next to me. So it's very very interesting how our senses when we get
into these states, get very heightened beyond the physical possibility that we have with
our physical senses. That's interesting because sometimes when I dream, I can I
can smell things, or I can taste things. I just thought that was
normal dreaming. I don't know, will do you smell and taste in your
dreams? I don't ever ask you that. I don't think I ever have
No, I don't smell or taste or I mean hear things well, you
got to hear things well put well. In a dream, I'm more I'm
it's more less hearing it, more seeing it in my mind, Like I
know that there's someone saying something, but it's not like auditory really. Yeah,
yeah, I mean I don't I don't think. At the same time,
I also don't remember my dreams a lot. Very seldom do I remember
my dreams, so like when you have a dream that you're flying, you
don't feel it, like, um, the only dreams I've had have been
and it's it's been a very long time, so I had. One of
them is falling. I've had dreams I've been falling and that has been really
unnerving. Yeah, yeah, really unnerving. And now that I think about
it, larantine could that have been an astral travel in my dreams? I
mean it feels like you feel, you know, when you are on a
roller coaster and you go down one of those the drops and you feel in
your stomach. It kind of felt like that, believe it or not,
in the dream? Is that? Could that possibly have been a projection?
Yeah? So I wanted to do this before as well. It's just to
define what a dream would be, and then one astrich rejection will be because
they are cousins in a way. So the way I see it is that
there are multiple dimensions and they have different quality or different purpose as well.
And so to me, a dream is also a projection. Your consciousness is
projecting itself into a reality, and you're now experiencing it as as it is
your only reality in that moment. But the dream space, this dimension of
the dream, we call it a mental plane. It's kind of like it's
a mixture of everything that you know, you know, every everyone you meet.
It's it's kind of your simulated reality. You know, you might see
a picture and then your dream about that thing that was on that picture,
and your thoughts are very much blended with that reality, and it's changing.
It's very kind of liquidy. You know, you can look at one direction,
you see something, you look at the other one that you know when
you look back that the whole series now change two. You know, door
changes to a window. It's not very solid. And usually in a dream,
you will have your childhood friends, maybe your family, maybe lots of
familiar characters might be in that experience, and then a lucid dream would just
be the fact that you become lucid, You become aware in the dream that
you are dreaming, and then you can just see it's where it is,
you can see it. Oh, I'm in a dream. Now, I'm
in a dream reality dream dimension. Now a naster projection or an estheric projection,
or there's this other dimension you go to. When you go to those
places, they will be they will have different a completely different There will be
a different environment will not be the environment of your own creation. There will
be an environment where you're meeting more objective realities, places that are actually that
exist, but on a different frequency of reality, and the things usually more
solid. If you look, you see a building on the right, you
look so left, we look back, the building is still there. And
so you cannot just change the environment as you as you wish, like you
can in elucid dream, where you can kind of change colors of the walls,
and you can you kind of have this power over that experience because it's
your generated reality that you are experiencing, and you are also creating that real
elucid dream and a dream, but as projection, you occupying a place that's
occupied by other consciousness beings as well, and you cannot just change things as
you as you want. Things are more solid, and a lot of times
when you project yourself to these places, you end up on a street maybe
that's just completely empty, there's nobody there. You have to kind of look
around to find something to do. It can be a bit empty in the
beginning, and to find maybe so much to talk to or to your figure
out where you are. It's a bit like you're just being dropped at in
a you know, a different city in a different world, or maybe in
a forest or that you know countless places to go and visit, and you
pick up a good point. All these places you go. We've heard that
you can go to astral school. We've heard that you can talk to God.
We've heard that you can see past loved ones. Is this just a
traveling of the mind. Is that you can go anywhere? Or these are
actual physical places that you go to, physical places. There are non physical
places that you go to. Maybe you can also go to physical places as
well. There will just be a different shift of frequency. But for the
most part, when we leave our when we project our awareness out of our
bodies or in different realms. We the frequency that our consciousness is in that
in that states is um. It's usually a frequency that doesn't really it's harder
to be it's it's harder to be in a physical dimension. So it's harder
for somewhere to to get into this physical realm with a non physical body than
there is for them to be in a non physical I see. So it's
not like I can go visit my daughter at school in an astral form and
just kind of sit in watch her in school, or yes you can,
you can, just saying that it's a bit more unnatural and bit more difficult
for the for you to do that versus to be in the astral which is
like completely your natural environment to be in when you are in this form,
in this stet of consciousness. So in one of the environments, is everybody
else else in there also astral projecting? Yeah, so you you might go
for the most part this is this is a hard question because there's so many
ways that this could this could take place. Leave it to caring to ask
the hard questions. But yeah, you could be uh, you know,
traveling out of body and visits. So I would say like there's some people
naturally, they're as soon as they're out of body, they're like in their
flats, they're in their house, they're like looking around, they're going through
the wall, going out their neighborhood. They're seeing things in their physical reality
very easily. They're like their their energetic body has that kind of have that
frequency that it's kind of drawn to the physical a lot, and it's very
easy to for it to be there. While other explorers when they got a
body, they always end up in a completely different reality. They're never in
their surroundings, and it's kind of difficult for them to go to the physical
world, so to speak. But you can go anywhere, like you know,
you can train yourself to go to different places, and we have the
ability to do both. I think a good way to think about it because
we all have the Internet nowadays, so we understand how there's different websites on
the Internet that you can access with your computer, and that there's a network
that can connects all of these websites. You can think about that in the
same way with dimensions. You have multiple dimensions that there will be like same
as a website, and then you have the network that connects the different websites,
which is the quantum field, which connects all of these different dimensions,
and then which your consciousness. You're able to travel to this different websites or
dimensions, and they're countless of them. I mean, I don't know if
we didn't even know how many there are. There can be infinite amounts of
different places to go to. And some of them are super evolved, you
know, they're in the future. You know, they have like flying cars
and technology understand, and others might be super like primitive and having an invented
fire and they're kind of you know, very confused and everything. Yeah,
there are so many questions. I mean so many questions. We are just
getting started. When we come back, we gotta take a break. When
we come back, we're going to start talking to Florentine about potential dangers with
astral projection and then get into the nidia of how to do it. So
stay with us when we come back. You're not gonna want to miss the
rest of this interview. And we're back with the skeptic metaphysicians. Today we're
talking to Florentine Anita, who is a master astro projector. He's a teacher
who taught hundreds of people how to achieve out of body experiences. He's got
a systematic training, a methodology that is shore fire. So we are pricking
his brain about all things astro projections because, as you know, this is
my favorite topic in the world. We talked a lot about what astra projection
is in all that kind of stuff before the break. Now I want to
get into the nitty florentine first and foremost. I've read Bob Monroe's book Journeys
out of the Body, and a lot of people who are listening know about
the Monroe Institute and all the research that they've done with Hemisinc. Which is
sinking the two hermospheres of the brains using binaural beats, all that kind of
stuff. The CIA has a whole document now that you can look for it
yourself right now. You can download it, the Gateway Project. It talks
about him sink and things like that to achieve out of body experiences. But
in Bob Monroe's book, there's a part that made me very scared because he
started talking about encounters with entities that maybe aren't the best things to run into
in the astral plane. Is there anything that we should be afraid of when
we first leave our bodies. You've already mentioned that no one's going to come
over and take our bodies or anything. But are there any entities out there
that we might get a little nerve wreck over, demons or beings or astral
beings that maybe don't want the best for us? Okay, So first,
what I would like to share is that when we leave our when we project
our awareness and we leave our bodies in this way, we are still going
to be in a world of duality. We're not leaving duality, and it's
times soon, you know, We're still there. So of course there's going
to be dark, darkness and light. There's going to be fear, that's
going to be love, so there's going to be beings of lower vibrations and
beings of high vibrations. It's going to be dimensions where there are weird creatures
and sick people and all kinds of weird stuff going on, and there's going
to be places that are full of light and love and beauty and amazing and
profound. There's everything. Just like on the internet, you can go on
you can find crazy websites and you can find beautiful websites you can and just
like in the physical reality you can go to places that are very scary and
dangerous, you can go to places that are beautiful and amazing. And it's
interesting because sometimes I wonder, like foll beingcarnated here, did we get any
debreas from somebody what is going to be like to have a human physical life?
And if we did, how did that being, you know, describe
it to us. It's it's interesting because I think even I'll believe that even
you know, we will probably know a lot about this place before we come.
And even though we know that there are crazy things going on here and
you can get killed, and there's wars, and there's rape, and there's
so many bad things that can happen to you, we still choose to come
here and experience a physical life because there's so much growth, there's so much
potential to have this physical life. And so I see an abjection a bit
like that too. There's everything out there, but there's so much amazing things
out there that those negative things that are out there shouldn't sort of stop here
from going out of body. So that's the first thing, And then the
second thing is that we are indestructible. We are not fragile. When we
got a body, we you know, the other day, I was in
a dimension where I was witnessing a fight and there was some sort of police
force fighting some other people. I don't know what it was exactly, but
I as soon as I saw that, I ended up just in the middle.
Because a lot of times, when you focus on something, you just
arrived there because your focus is there. And this, this actual police officer
of some sort started to attack me, started to punch me, and the
punches went through me like nothing. I couldn't feel anything. It wasn't hurting
me. There was no pain, there was nothing. It was just like
it was a strange, a bit strange. So I've had dreams were someone's
fighting me and I, you know, either I don't feel it or I
can't hit them right. But but I've always known it was a dream.
Now, what you talked about before the break, you said that it is
a definite palpable difference from a dream. You you were there more real than
real, almost, as what you said. So these punches when he was
going he was hitting you, and it was good. He's just going right
through you. It wasn't a dream. You were there, that astrol cop
was there and he was throwing punches at you, and you just weren't feeling
it. It just it's kind of hard to wrap your head around how that
could Yeah, it's hard to wrap your hand around it. Well, I
think too, I think what it could be. What help is think about
it as a like we we are physical right now, We're in a physical
body, and when we touched things in the physical, these things, these
objects in the physical, they're vibing, vibring at the same frequency, so
they're solid to us. We cannot put our hands through the table, you
know, it's it's a hard surface. But when we are out of body
and this no physical formats um like I can touch my table in my room
and I can actually put my hand through the table. I can still feel
that it's an object. I can feel the surface of it, but if
I press, I'll actually be able to put my hand through it. So
we are a bit like a ghost, but not a ghost like made of
air that just kind of like just disappears and appears. It's a bit more
solid, but it depends on the frequency that you're occupying that dimension that you're
in you know, the vibrations of that dimension and the vibrations of the body
that you're having in that moment. It is complicated stuff. For sure,
he was punching in his hands were going through you. Was were you maybe
in a physical dimension where he was like we are now here? That makes
sense? So like, yeah, you couldn't put his hand through the table
sort of thing, but since you were astral he could put his hand through
you. Does that makes sense at all? It doesn't ask it. Yeah,
though it makes a lot of a lot of sense. And to be
honest, I don't know. I don't know everything, Like I don't know
why he's he's hand went through me. I was surprised. But I also
know that sometimes I have got a body, and I have a body,
and sometimes I don't have a body. So sometimes I look down and there's
nothing and it's I'm just a point of awareness in space, and sometimes I
have a body. Sometimes I look myself in the mirror and I see something,
I see someone not necessarily me. Sometimes it can be different to me
and peril dimensions. Sometimes I can see myself. It's cool. Yeah,
sometimes I look myself in the mirror, but I see through me. I
see the seeing the background as if I don't even exist. What I've what
I've seen is that a lot of times when I when I look at my
hands, which is one of the reality checks, it's look at your hands
to see if you're you know, if you have five fingers, because then
you know, okay, if you have five fingers and they look normal,
for the most part, you're going to be in the physical. But if
you have weird looking fingers, then you are most likely the all physical environment.
Now, what often happens to me is that when I take out my
hands, I don't even have hands. I just I'm used to it from
the physical, from being a human, that I'm supposed to have hands.
But in the all physical I do like this, and I don't see them.
But because I'm focusing on having hands, I can see how they start
to grow out, like I see my palm growing out, and I see
my fingers popping out one by one like and then I have hands because I
projected them, like you can create things in the in these dimensions with your
consciousness. Your consciousness is extremely creative in that, And that kind of brings
me to another point. I wanted to make about the original question, which
is entities and all that. Yep, your consciousness is going to be a
very important sort of starting point for your your experiences. The background you have,
your your knowledge, the way you see a reality, the your your
state of being is going to have the bastive impact. So if you're somebody
that has a lot of steer, if you or someone that has been consuming
a lot of fearful content about as projection, or you're super religious and you
think this is a sin and that the devil's going to come and after you,
or that there's demons to come in after you, it's very possible that
you're going to create that kind of experience for yourself because your consciousness isn't separate
from the experiences. You can see that in the physical. You can see
how in the physical manifestation works like that. You know, you can focus
on the thoughts something like a car or something that you want to happen,
and then that would then appear in your physical reality, usually with some sort
of delay, usually take maybe hours, weeks, years for you to manifest
the thing that you've been focusing on. Now, in these non physical realities,
you can manifest things very quickly. They just happened very instantly, right
right, So it goes back to always creating your own reality. In that
world, there is no veil, so you can manifest much more immediately than
you can the sweet dimensional world. So I'll take the answer about whether there
are dark entities out there as a check. Yes, there are first,
but it's really dependent on your mindset. So if there's that such a thing,
and I totally get why there would be entities like that, how do
you protect it? Well, you mentioned that we were indestructible, so it
really is not is there a need for protection or is there something we need
to do or prepare ourselves other than think good thoughts before we start doing this
stuff? Well? Yeah, so there's a lot so much to say about
this. So one of the things that thinking good thoughts can not necessarily but
it doesn't necessarily work because you can think good thoughts on the surface on the
conscious level, but on the subconscious level, you might have a lot of
fears and limits and beliefs and all kinds of stuff lingering there which you might
not know of, or you might know of if you kind of go deeper
with yourself. So it's very important to deal with that kind of stuff.
To be honest, when I learned about these things about when I learn about
as projection, the first experiences I've had were very pleasant. There is no
there's nothing, there's nothing negative about anything. I've started to have more weird
experiences when I start reading about the weird stuff online. That's when I start
to have more weird experiences. And I've seen that there's a connection between the
things that you think, the things that you worry about, your fears,
and the experiences that you will have. And I've also start to see how
there's this you know, there's this mechanism of consciousness to take you on a
spiritual journey, to get you to heal, to get you to evolved.
And you know how how consciousness works, Like as soon as there is fear
in your physical reality, than consciousness arranges itself so that you can face that
fear, so that you can overcome that fear, so you can hear heal
that fear. We are constantly taken on a journey of healing. And so
it's the same in these these other rounds. If you have a bunch of
fears or worries, you will be taken onto experiences that will challenge those fears
and will essentially help you too. Over I mean, it's that they're made
so that you're supposed to overcome them. It's supposed to kind of look at
them and kind of laugh at them. You know, see a demon let's
trying to attack you, and instead of being like, oh my god,
it's a real I'm going to die, he's just kind of like, ah,
I don't believe in you go away, and they kind of vaporize.
Apparently our dog wants to get involved in the conversation as well, probably saw
one of the entities and he's trying to ward it off. Right now,
they say animals are very sensitive. Yeah they are. Yeah, So what
you're saying makes so much sense. Now. I just wish I had not
read Bob monrote the book, because that's what I hadn't thought of dark entities
until I read his darned book. Now that's all I can think of.
Well, but it's okay, because you know, if the really cool thing
about it is that think about it this way. To me, the way
I look at it is that physical reality is it's way more dangerous than non
physical realities. Why well, because in a physical reality. If you are
in a situation that you don't want to be, if you're perhaps you're going
down a dark alley and someone wants to rob you or do something bad to
you. In that moment, in the physical reality, you're gonna have to
fight, or you're gonna have to run, or it's it's tricky and you
can get hurt. You can even die. Maybe you get run by a
car that hits you and you get really injured and your physical body dies and
came over in the physical realm. But if you're out of body having these
experiences, which by the way, you're having all the time where you're sleeping
anyway, no, unconsciously, unconsciously when you are, then let's say in
a place that you don't want to be, maybe you're seeing some weird entity
that is coming towards you or whatever. You can just think about returning back
to the body. You can just think about your room, or think about,
oh, I want to go home now, and boom winness immediate second,
you're now waking up in your bed and you're completely safe and sound.
There's nothing, nothing bad happened to you. Okay, So any weird experience
that you don't like you can just come back to your comfort of your home
and your pajamas and just be completely comfortable and safe. How often can we
do that in the physical You know you're in somewhere you don't want to be,
and then you're just like, oh, I want to go home,
and then you're back in your your house, safe and sound. That doesn't
happen. You have to go home somehow, right, it will be nice.
So we have stuper powers. When we're out of body. We can
teleport. Basically, we can fly. We can fly, we can go
through walls, we can do things that we cannot do with our physical bodies.
Because of that, we are sort of like superhuman. And in this
sort of body state, YE have a question here, do you want me
to go? No, you can because I know what you're going to ask
ahead. Okay, that all sounds great. And sometimes I know that I
met some certain parties that I really wish I was home, and you know,
you kind of have to kind of have to be there, but you
have to just sit there and bear it. It's probably some some work functions.
But that all sounds understandable completely. I get it. It's it's yeah,
makes sense and I would like to before you go on to next question,
I would like to just share a little story just to hit a home
a little bit better for some people. Okay, because there is there is
not enough information about this stuff, you know, it's there's a lot of
misconception. So um, A lot of times people see dark figures and it
can be it can be very confusing and also can be very scary if you
don't know what it is sometimes, right. So, so a friend of
mine went out of body and in the kitchen saw this dark figure in the
corner. And for the most part, most people will just get scared at
that point and no, thank you, come back to the body and just
go, oh my god, there's a demon in my kitchen. I have
to sell the house right now. Exactly what my thought process was, we
can't stay yeah, exactly now. Luckily, this guy had a very different
mindset. He was very open minded, which is one of the key things
that you want to be with this, and he was like, m there's
a dark looking figure in the corner of my kitchen. I wonder what it
is. So he goes closer to this figure and as he gets closer,
he then realizes that because this this this darkness starts to kind of disappear and
he now sees clearly what it is, and it was his son, and
his son was having out a body experience. Oh while he was sleeping in
the other room. And now he's having an interesting conversation with his son,
a little kind of back and forth thirty and sun kind of conversation, and
it's a beautiful experience. The next day he wakes up or he wakes up
from the experience and he's like, oh my god, I had this experience,
goes and talks to his son. His son didn't remember anything of that,
unfortunately, but for him that was a beautiful experience. So he came
back from the experience going, oh my god, this was amazing. I
met my son out of bodying the kitchen. It's beautiful. And the only
difference if you look at this like the difference is what filters you put onto
the experience. You know, do you go into fear sort of way because
you don't know where it is and you discard it as something scary, or
do you go into like open mindedness and you kind of go and find out
what it is. And this is what happens large times as well, that
people just kind of freak out and they run away and they report something negative.
A lot of times there could be something completely different than you that you
think, right, So instead of going into it with fear, maybe your
suggestion is to go into it with curiosity. That makes sense, yes,
curiosity, open mindedness. Love. So one of the things that we do
with our students is before the practice while in the practice, when they're starting
the process, is to focus on filling themselves with love so that that raises
their vibration to this frequency of love. And it's also one of the protective
mechanism that you can use when you're out if you are experiencing like some sort
of negative ends that they don't want to talk to. Now you you can
project your love out to that being or fill yourself with love and for the
most part, that will just dissolve. They'll just kind of disappear away.
I'd love it. You're helping me to get over my fear. So maybe
that could start doing this good. And that's a great tip for anybody listening
too, if they're kind of starting to explore a little bit, just you
know, fill yourself with love. And besides feeling good, it'll protect you
as well. All Right, Florentine, let's get to the nitty of it
now that we're getting closer to the end of the show. What's the best
way for someone to experience something as miraculous as an out of body experience?
What's the best way? Well, the best way, I would say is
to work with somebody that has done it and that can show you the way,
because it is a confusing journey and as you can as you can tell
by this just conversation, there's so many details to it. So if you're
trying to figure this out on your own, you're most likely going to get
stuck quite a few times on the on the journey. So it's it's really
helpful to have somebody that you're going to be spending time with, asking your
questions, doing the practice and then asking more questions, and that back and
forth is really really key because this is a it's a very it's a very
serious practice. You don't want to just like throw yourself in there. We're
not knowing what you're doing. You want to have somebody help you with that
process. So that's what I would say. Now, are you looking for
to know some techniques or some tricks like that, or if it's we're going
to I know that you teach a class on this. You've helped hundreds of
people to achieve these results in by the way, you're going to gain another
student here shortly after the show, Karen, we're going to add the links
to your program directly on the show notes. So if you're interested, just
go Skeptechnization dot com, go to his episode page. You'll see the link
there directly laid in for you, so it's easy for you to access it.
But if someone wasn't ready to reach out to you to talk to you
about getting into your program, is there anything that you can provide, any
tips on how to prepare themselves for doing something like this or even maybe achieving
a small monicum of success with it before reaching out to you. So I
would say, before reaching out to me, there's nothing you have to do,
because we work on everything from the beginning with the program that I've created,
because that was the whole idea. It was like, Okay, I've
discovered something amazing. I want to show this with the world. People don't
believe me when I tell them about this, So the only way to share
with them is to make them have the experience themselves by teaching them how to
do it from the beginning. So I knew that I wasn't the gifted person
when I started this. I wasn't a master meditator, and I know that
the people I'm going to teach or the waist, I thought, if I
was, I want to teach someone like me that is not a gifted So,
you know, superhero, this stuff doesn't meditate for mate for years,
So how do I help that person? From step one? You know?
What do they have to do? So we covered all of that with the
program and there's nothing you really have to do before that. In the program,
we work on the beginning. We talk about what it is that you're
gonna do, you know how this stuff works, to what to expect,
and it's we talk about the mindset. We talk about different blockages they might
have, and we work with healers and hypotherapists too to help you overcome some
blockages that you might have. Like if you know you have a fear of
going out of body, we need to work on that. You can't have
that fear and practice it because it's not gonna work. You're gonna you're gonna
stop yourself, like you're subconscious knows when you're ready for these different steps.
And that's another thing that I didn't mention before, but it's almost like there
is a safety mechanism built in place the whole time. You will not be
taken too far are if you're not ready for it, you'll all be taken
to you know, as far as you're ready. So a lot of times
people might have even fear to get out of body in the first place.
And so if you have that fear when you're in that state you started to
get close, you'll then feel fearful and then it will stop, so you
won't be able to get out if you have that fear. So then we
have to be incorporated you know solutions that which is where you hit the therapist
to help you overcome those fears so that you then can feel relaxed and so
you can get into this state. And then the program continues with videos on
teaching the three main methods of how to get a body. You know.
The first method is a way to do it through dreaming, to become conscious
that you're dreaming, and then you can transition from a dream into Naska projection.
The second one is one of one of the more powerful one, which
is in when you're going to sleep, there's a special soundtrack that I've created
that wakes you up just enough that you should pot some sort of techniques that
can then take you out of body from sleep, from waking up from sleep.
And then the third one is of course through deep meditation, where you
meditate yourself into this very very deep state where you then can get a body.
So we teach all of these different methods and we'd tached that with videos,
and we have soundtracks, special soundtrack for each method. And then we
have the coaching of course, which is so key. That's where you can
ask questions personal questions about your situation, how you are doing the practice,
and how you have to change the practice slate it's more successful for you.
So that is the that's how the program works. And if you wanted to
prepare anything for the program, if you felt if you still feel like,
oh, I still want to do some sort of work before this program,
then I recommend watching our video. We have a video on the website that
it's about half an hour long that goes through a bunch of stuff like this
and another one is to meditate. To learn how to meditate, so learn
how to concentrate your mind on one thing very important for the practice. That's
how we get more control over where we go and what we do. Great
good starting points, right, So the very best way to learn how to
ask to project is to reach out to Florentine Unita and join his accelerated program
because he's going to walk you through. He's going to hold your hand and
walk you through every step of the process safely. So people like me who
are afraid of and encountering entities or dark entities or beings that maybe don't want
me out there, you can help us through it. So that's great,
all right, I'm sold, you sold me. I'm on board. But
we're going to add direct links to that program in our show notes like I
mentioned earlier. But we're also going to add links to your social media so
people can reach out to you if they're so inclined. Go to skeptic menifizition
dot com so you can connect with Florentine directly. If you have any questions
about Ask for Projection. He's the man to go to. You can certainly
come to us, but we're not going to be able to answer him.
So ready to go? Yeah in a good way. Yeah, we're not
gonna say to go, and I'll tell you where to find some answers.
That's right, that's right, all right, Florentine. It's been an absolute
pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your wisdom
with us. Thank you, thank you so much for having me and looking
forward to see you in the Ask show soon. It sounds good to me.
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