This is WWE Superstar Drew McIntyre and you're listening to the WWE podcast, the
show the one that everybody wants me God stand for sixteen, so your ass
is minn. You can acknowledge me. Hey, everybody, welcome to the
WWE podcast. Here. It's a very special Friday edition of the show,
Friday, November tenth, twenty twenty three. And the reason we're bringing the
show to you is because we have a special guest and his name is Sharon.
I'll be playing that recording in just a minute, but I want to
thank everybody for listening here, and I want to preface this is this show
is a little bit different in that some of the content we talk about up
front is not wrestling related. It's twenty minutes or so of you know what's
going on in Israel and his experience and you know what's going on in his
life and that kind of thing, and a little political stuff that is unavoidable
if we're talking about Israel. So I want to preface it by saying that.
So if you're you know, you press play and you're like, oh,
well, I don't want to hear any of this stuff. I don't
want to hear politics, then he may want to skip to like halfway through
the show, but I think it's worth listening to even if you're not a
political person. You know, we don't talk about politics. This isn't a
debate, okay, It's just what's going on in his country and everything else
that has resulted from it for him. And so it just wanted to preface
that as a bit of a disclaimer. I know that this show we keep
politics out, but in this case bringing somebody in from Israel, it's impossible
to not bring a little bit of that in, but just the reality of
what's happening over there. So I wanted to let you guys know. Okay,
so it is a little bit different, but we do talk about wrestling
for the second half of the show, we really do. We dive into
Roman Reigns. We dove in to Cody Rhoads and who if Cody Road should
be the one to beat Roman Reigns and some other stuff. So check that
out. Not a deep dive into any anything crazy, just some high level
stuff on how he views wrestling, a little bit of aw believe it or
not, towards the end of the show, So check that out and thank
you guys for listening, and I do want to also thank Sharon. He
recently joined us over there on Patreon. I did see that and I do
appreciate it. It's much appreciated for you to come on the show. And
I also want to thank let's see Martin. I think I thank Martin earlier
for being a patron of the show. I wanted to give everybody a shout
out that joins us here and Zach also, Zach recently joined us on Patreon
as a paid member, So thank you Zach for your patronage. And I
appreciate everyone who is taking their time to listen. So all right, we're
gonna get to Sharon and myself right now, and i'll be back Sunday with
the weekend review. Of course, the SmackDown review is coming your way,
and Anthony DeMarco's show of the exclusive after Dark show that he did is being
released probably excuse me, around the same time as right now that I'm releasing
this show. And the topic that he's going to be talking about is John
Cena and the future of the US title. So that'll be the topic for
those of you who are on the SmackDown tier and higher on Patreon. It's
a very non PG show, but that's the topic Anthony's talking about. If
you want to check that out. All right, Thanks, everybody, take
care and we'll talk soon. Welcome to the WWE Podcast, everybody. It
is a special Friday edition of the show, and I promise you guys,
earlier in the week we'd have a different guest on the show, and it's
exactly what we're doing tonight, as we have Sharon from Israel. You guys
know him from the mailbag and from his emails over the last year or two.
I feel like it's been at least a couple of years since you've been
listening to the show. It could be wrong, but we're gonna talk about
wrestling. We're gonna talk about his thoughts on what's going on, his love
for Cody Rhodes, and we're gonna talk about all that stuff in just a
few minutes. But first I like to introduce Sharon. How you doing,
man, Hey, mat Hey, everyone, so happy to be here with
you. We are not in the night. We are like in the afternoon
of Isvielle. And yeah, it's very nice. It's very sunny here.
It's the winter already in your place. You do you have snow, not
yet, but we've seen flakes of snow, but it'll be from about you
know, November until April. So yeah, it's so crazy here and neither
like every year we say to ourself this summer, it's like the autumn summer,
and like this summer, like we are already in the f of November
and still in no rain, sunny. We can go to the beach,
but most of the time I'm in my place, in my house in as
well. I can report you a little bit to what happening like around And
first of all, it's so nice to have a conversation with you about resting
and to be a part of the ww podcast in this time because you really
need so much escapism where there is so much war and bad things happening around
you this time. And I'm really happy about this opportunity. So thank you,
thank you so much. Well, it's great to have you here.
You know, this has been a difficult time or a difficult time, not
just for you, but to just connect because of our time difference from New
York to Israel to a bit of a you know, a time difference there.
And I'm glad we were able to connect. But before we get into
some of the stuff going on there some good news. You have a relatively
new addition to the family ten months old, so tell us all about that
changed your life. It's ten months or really really good thing. And from
the other side, you have kids as well, so I guess you already
understand. I mean, I feel like it's like free airs of a strong
struggle, and so much things happened, and like I got to say,
when I had my baby, like ten months ago, it was like the
happiest thing that happened in my life. But from that date, like every
day can be so much of a struggle, especially like the first month,
and like we are like so much of a fresh parent, so awter you
change a diaper, why it is crying so much? Like we're dying to
make him sleep. And I'm also a teacher, like I'm teaching really really
early in the morning, so I add like nights without sleeping, and I
came to the school to the students and like I little bit of the classes,
like I slept in the class in front of my students because that was
so it was hard. But now it's good. Now it's good. It's
better, he became a human. He smiles to us, he said,
their mom and father and like not in English but in the neborw But yes,
no, that's that's a great way to describe it, where it's it's
so joyful, but it's also the hardest thing you'll ever do in your life.
And then you know some most of us do it over again. I'm
not sure if you and your wife are planning to have another, but it
certainly changes up your sleep patterns in a way you didn't know you could survive
on such little sleep, where you think you have a pattern down with the
baby, and then they flip the pattern around. They're up three hours in
the middle of the night, you can't even stay awake, and then there
they'll sleep for another hour, wake up, need you know, need a
bottle or need a nursing from their mom. And it's it's one of those
things that you just it will make It will sober you. It will make
you into a man, whether you want it to be or not. And
it also is the best thing ever because, as you said, while you
don't probably remember the last ten months, it's all a big blur, which
was for me anyway, it does bring so so much joy in your life
and as you have you know your wife i'm sure probably feels the same way,
where it's so difficult and you're also trying to not be short with each
other, which is difficult because you're both on so little sleep and you're getting
frustrated with one another because you feel like you need to sleep, and it's
this whole struggle, but it is one of the best things. Yes,
no one can prefer you for those things we need, like getting so much
affluent families of like sometimes like five children even if they are not Thoro religious
and it's three, and all your friends have babies that's even from a young
age. So no one can prefer you for this. And when you're getting
to the point point that it's started, it's like it's like you and your
life in your own journey. Like the parents can help you and their friends
and you see videos in the YouTube, but in the end it is just
you in front of your baby, and you have to succeed it, like
you don't have like the luxurier, like you're like you're leaving a job or
like a project or you have to succeed it and to be like the best
in it. And if you're doing like the little mistake you, oh no,
my baby will be bad, like for the rest of his life if
I didn't change the diaper. Right, it's like so weird, and yeah,
yeah it is. And you just have more responsibility than you realize.
Where you said, you know, you don't have an option, you can't
screw up. You know, you are responsible for this human being now and
how they get raised is now up to you. And like you said,
you can't be prepared for it. No matter how many times people tell you
things and you hear things in YouTube and all that, nothing will ever prepare
you for what you go through. And that's a good thing and a bad
thing. But ultimately, I mean, I have no regrets. And my
wife and I probably done it too, because we're starting to get our lives
back a little bit for you know, for us anyway, where we you
know, they go down pretty easily, their nap times are very regular,
they're much more self sufficient, whereas right now, you know, a ten
month old, i'd imagine is it a boy or girl? It is a
boy. Boy. Okay, So he's not walking yet, right, he's
probably crawling. Yeah, he's not walking. He's crawling. He's trying to
go what you said in English, like to be on a fixed position like
nies and ants together. Yep, this is what he's trying to do right
now. And yes, and by the way, is every time that you
lift your baby, you'll think to yourself, I get to do like at
the adjustment or like power slam, like something like that. Every time that
I'm not doing like something like that. Now, I'm not trying to set
you up for a pedigree, you know, I know, I know,
Well that's great, it's you know, it is such a it is a
thing to be joyful about, especially during what you know, what's going on
over there. And I do want to touch on it briefly, and I
know I understand guys, listen, this is a wrestling podcast. We will
get to wrestling and for the majority of the show, but I have to
ask, you know, based on what happened on October seventh, I mean,
that is something that I mean, even in America here, like some
of the videos I've said, I can't even put it into words. Everything.
I'm obviously you're there, you know when you first heard about it,
Where were you, what were you doing? Were you at work? What
was going on? It wasn't Saturday morning, And what did I do on
Saturday morning? I thought, mackdown and then look no, like we lately.
August, we moved from the center of Viseel, like from Tel Aviv
to the north of Isel, to Haifa. The parents of my wife are
from Haifa, so we went to there to help with the baby. It
was easier for us. And in October we did like a little vacation,
like to see the family. And in the vacation that we did in the
center, then the sirens went on like six in the morning. And you
know in Isel, I don't know if you know about it, that we
do have like every year or two or three years, like we have like
a thing with a gaza, and we do have like little bit sirens and
rockets all around. So we were really it was usual thing for us,
like we said, go to the shelter or go to the stairs in the
building, and like just wait a few moments and then news started to get
on with I just said, the terrorists come to the village just near the
fence, like near gaza, and then things were got really really escalated and
it got really really different, and the Saturday went like it also was weird,
but I don't know if you really heard about what happened because we didn't
have a situation like this Sizel. Ever, this is not a political thing,
but people need to know that. Right now in Gaza, we have
like two hundred and forty people that are kidnapped by Hamas. We have a
lot of people that died and got bad things from this organization, a terrorist
organization. A lot of people got evacuated from their houses. So it's not
like a propaganda thing, but from all of our listeners, is not in
a good place right now if you seeing your news that literally doing bad things.
We are protecting our country. People got our people got really bad things
in our place, and we are really kind of in a drama right now.
It's bigger than anything that ever happened to us. But we are a
strong country. We are strong country, and some of us even got a
little bit of routine because I'm in Haifa and I'm far from Gaza. So
our school became normal again and students go to the school again and work is
getting good. And in Ipha, we didn't got any sirens, just one
like a month ago, but that's it. And it's really really weird for
me as well that I am like in a different reality. I'm like in
a different place because they don't have any sirens. Nothing happened to my place.
Like I hope that nothing bad weapon in the future, and maybe we'll
get to a war with Lebanon in the near future or not. I don't
know. But right now I'm trying to like to get a little bit of
the routine that I have here and like be good with that and trying to
do escapism with you. And yes, yes it's away times, but it's
hard times, like Cody Worlds saying, but we're getting it through that your
your dad isn't Cody Ear isn't Dusty Roads too, is it? I hope
that so I know, that's it's good to hear that you're far enough away
where you you know you're it's still something that absolutely, I would imagine it's
on the back of everyone's minds all the time, even though you've returned to
somewhat of a normal routine because you're further away from the war zone, that's
still you know, I wouldn't be able to go down the street anymore and
think, hey, you know, I'm perfectly safe. Nothing all over happened.
I think that sense of security has been shattered by what's been going on.
But do you see, even though you're further north, do you see
you know, in a rise in security or do you still see do you
see police out more? Do you or is it just feel like kind of
still you know, a normal day or do you see things that are still
different? So in ifl every boy or girl that he is above eighteen years
old got to go to the army, it's like three or two ways,
like you got to do it. And now like after you finish the army
and if you're like doing like a war job on, like if you are
in and they are, they invite you to go to the army again.
If like there is a war, there's like like your you need need to
exercise or something like that. And nowadays in Iselle, we have most of
our men's and a lot of our women's, a lot of our people go
to the army again although they are old. Some of the army people that
go to the army again, some of them even like sixty years old.
So much people go to the army again, and like there's like army people
in the streets. They are like as I said, the police in the
roads that they're checking everyone that come to your city. And there is there
is a lot of security, but it's also like the feeling that everything is
different, everything is different, and because like for example, like our agriculture,
agriculture we have like agriculture in the in the north, in the south,
and people went out of those places because there is like a danger of
terrorists. So people from all over the country went to go to to do
an ar guitar, to a job like to get vegetables and fruits in order
like to help those people. And like a lot of people went to do
like a community jobs and help to the army and do the people that got
evacuated from their house. All the country are in the doing of war and
it's really great to see it now. I don't know if you heard the
news before October, if you heard a little bit about Israel, did we
had like a little bit as I said, it wasn't in that size,
but we had a big fight in our people. Well, I don't know
if you heard about it. We had like a thing like between Biden and
our leader Nathan Yao that United States really got mad about us because we wanted
to do like a reform in a judical or something like that, and we
had like a big fight in our people. We didn't have like a civil
war, but we did have like a lot of bad feelings between us.
And when the war comes, everything just got disappeared. And it is bad
because of course there's a war, but this is so good to see,
like the people got united again because they understand that we are together and we
can't lose. And it's really nice that we had like a pointed everyone are
together right now. And yes, I have a brother in the army right
now. It's not like in a dangerous thing, but he's in the army.
He has friends in the army as well. Our people in the war
right now. And we are not quiet. We are not in a good
situation, like I said about it. And yes, I don't know like
how much time it will go on, and maybe I will ask you.
I don't know, like if where you're living, qf something like that,
but do you feel around your place like antisemitic things or like Palestinian protests or
so you know, you would think with what Hamas did right that there is
no way to justify it. You would think that there's nobody on this earth
outside of those who are in mass that could say, yeah, what they
did is justified. You would think that, But there are people, especially
you'll see in big cities which are heavily democratic in the United States, you'll
see a lot of I don't know if they're protests, You'll see free Palestine
protests, which you know is kind of it's it's someone anti Semitic. Just
by saying that, I don't want to get into too far into that,
but there are a lot of people who feel like, you know, what
Hamas did, while it was terrible, is no worse than what is happening
now with Israel bombing Gaza. But what they don't understand is like Hamas used
and continues to use civilians. They target civilians, whereas Israel and the forces
that are going that are opposing Hamas are targeting Hamas. But Hamas, the
casualties of civilians are going to happen because Hamas is using them as shields.
Hamas has there, they have tunnels, they have built their headquarters underneath hospitals.
They shield their civilians. I mean, I don't need to tell you
know this, so like you would think that all of that can't be justified.
But somehow people feel and I don't think it's the majority here, but
there are certain protests you'll see here in the cities of like Free Palestine.
I don't think they really understand what's going on, or they feel that the
people who are retelling against Amas should do a ceasefire. It's like, no,
why would you do a ceasefire when you just had the worst possibly you
had the worst slaughtering of Jews since the Holocaust, which is just true.
That's it's true, and you're just supposed to sit back and wait for what
another attack this is you know, I don't know, so I'll leave it
at that. But no, we are seeing pro Palestine, you know,
rhetoric around here, not a ton, but when you see it, you're
just either they don't know what they're talking about or they are truly anti Semitic.
I got to think, Matt, that it's really brave what you're saying
right now, because just in like what you said social and network things.
If like people again like right now say that your podcast, what you said
in your podcast is it's not right, it's fake news people from ISEL their
Instagram and Facebook got erased and got blocked because so much a proper studiums said
that what they're saying about the war and Isel, it's fake news and like
it's anti anti human rights things. And what you're saying right now, I
think that you now the world understand like what we are dealing with all those
years, Like for so many years people said to us that we are like
occupied like another people on another territory. But if you see the shots and
like the videos from Gaza, you do see like the Israeli soldiers letting the
other civilians go out of Gaza and the Hamas people are trying to shoot and
like try to make them not to escape from Gaza. I don't want to
go like so much into politics anymore because this is like a show on wrestling.
But I got to say, I don't know if you remember, like
two weeks ago, I did said something and if it's okay, like we
will go like to wrestling now. If you want to say one more thing
about or something like that, or to ask me, sure, yeah you
can. We can finish up on that topic and then we'll move to wrestling.
So go ahead, because First of all, I need a skepticism so
much. You don't like in the in the Saturday that everything happened, I
saw like SmackDown like like I have to saw like SmackDown like so much.
I didn't want to see the news. I wanted to see one that happened
with Roman reigns and SmackDown and John Cina. Don't tell me about hamas they
want to see John Cina. I feel like that I need this escapism so
much, like every time that because it's all over the place. I can't
go to Facebook, I can't go to Internet. It's everywhere. You talk
with your friends, you talk about that, it's everywhere. So wrestling it's
like, this is my part of escapism. Everyone talking about this thing.
I know we are in that situation, but please let me like go out
and do like other things and talk about the only good right now? Yeah
you're okay, okay, Yeah, So I do want to speak about wrestling,
but it's still a little bit related to what happening in Isuel. And
two weeks ago we had the role and we had the Semisen the thought to
talk about its promo with the judgment day, and if you remember, I
said in the Mailbag podcast that is just celebrating three years. Did you know
that you are celebrating three years? Did someone say that to you already?
I didn't for the mail Bag, Yeah, I didn't know. No,
I'm just kidding because everyone said the good birthday to the mail Bag then,
and you say, like whatever I say to the mail Bag. Sure.
Yeah. And if you remember, we had like Semizen talking about the oppression
with the Judgment Day and I said that I think that he's speaking about Israel
and Gaza. And then other Israeli podcasts that speak about wrestling that we have,
like two of them said the same thing like me, that they two
feel that Semizen spoke about the conflict between Palestine and Israel in this show when
he said something about oppression. And also Palestinians had like this kind of YouTube
things that said Semisain support us and not Israel. And if you're looking in
the history of Semisaen, you will see that you have like supporting Palestine and
not in Israel. And that made me feel bad in two main ways.
First of all, because of Semizain, why do you have to put politics
in wrestling? I really like your character, I really like you why do
you have to make me feel okay, I don't like you anymore because you
have like a political agenda, like I don't look about your wrestled I don't
look about your character. The moment you said like you have like a political
agenda against me? Why do you do that? It's so weird. And
second of all, WW didn't put like anything. First of all, it
didn't say anything like we are we are part of your we are said because
of what deppending Israel, like other places do that, like the NBA,
or like other places do this as well. But W rely didn't do this.
And we have like Paul Ahman and other Jewish competitors that are part of
WW, even like a w part of them said the things about it,
but WW didn't say anything. And after what Sammy Zane said, they also
didn't say anything like I don't know like how many people it's bothered them to
the Israeli wrestling audience, it's bothered a lot. And yes, like what
do you think about it? Yeah, that's I'm a big fan. Even
though right now and being a bit hypocritical, as we've spent the first twenty
minutes talking about the political aspects of the Hamas attack and the things happening here
in the US. I never do that here, but I mean, I
think it was necessary to discuss that now. As far as Sammy Zain goes,
I'm a big fan and big believer of staying keeping politics out of wrestling.
No matter what your stance is or how right you think you are,
it's not a place for it because we have a million other places trying to
shove it in our face all day. Anytime you go on social media,
Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, wherever, you're going to see somebody's political beliefs
in front of your face. And some you may really agree with, some
you may not. But the fact is that we don't need any of that.
Even if it's something I really agree with and I'm like, hey,
you know, I really like that message, I still don't want things I
agree with politically on WWE programming because it's not the place for it. It's
the place you go to get away from that stuff because you're seeing it ninety
percent of your day. So when anytime somebody brings political, politically charged language
like Sammy's Ain did a couple of weeks ago into television, I don't care
if I agree with your message or not. That's not the point. It
shouldn't be there. And his his equivocation of oppression. Anytime you say the
word oppressive in today's culture, it's it's already got politically charged notions in it,
because we understand kind of what he's talking about, given the state of
what's happening in Israel and other places around the world too. But like,
I don't want that in my wrestling. I don't want anywhere near it.
I don't want any anything again pro or pro or against your message. So
yeah, I'm I'm i plod WWE for not giving into any of the political
pressure to uh, you know, to BLM when Black Lives Matter was a
big thing a couple of years ago here, they didn't bring any of that
in. Some of the superstars did wear like small little things that said like
BLM or whatever, but it wasn't put into promos. It wasn't you know,
there wasn't any propaganda put into the commercials or into anything. There wasn't
like a you know, hashtag on the ring, apron none of that,
And it's it's it's just it shouldn't ever be It's a place to go that
you can just forget about what's going on for a little while and pretend you're
in this environment that you can just have fun in and there's no consequences in.
And that's that's what it is. It's like playing in the sandbox.
I don't want to be I don't want to be disturbed in my sandbox.
Just let me play and escape what my life with the bad things that are
going on right now. So when Samy Saint said that, yeah, I
was just like, come on, man, yeah, And I got to
say that right now, wrestling like like like f general and WW specifically are
in a really good good time and like you can see so much of AWWWE
impact like New Japan so much like fans all around the place, all around
the world, and you think to yourself that you can do just like wrestling
context and you don't like even like you don't have Vince McMahon, Like you
can remember in Vince era, you had like all kinds of political things that
he got into his show, Like what was the name of this person,
Hassan after the nine eleventh thing? You remember that, yeah, Ahamed sound
Yeah, And they had like like another thing we said and the slaughter and
the iron cheek. It was like a political thing, like he had a
lot of a political thing in the Finns makeman era and you don't need it
right now. You have like great stories and great people and great wrestlers.
And it was great if the WW didn't say anything, but Samisen did say
a thing, but w W didn't say like a thing back that it supports
is well and trying like to put it like aside, I'm succeed about it.
But every time I see Semizenlaw, it's like I don't want him,
and it's weird, it just swird feeling them. But yes, like I
just wanted it will be like a political free and will keep being like escapism
to myself because I so needed right now, I can imagine. I mean,
I think to some degree we all do. I mean, of course,
there's probably not too many people listening here that are close to a war
zone, actually close to a war zone and dealing with you know what happened
on October seventh. I know I have listeners in Israel, and I you
know, wish everyone there, you know the best, and everyone please stay
safe. But you know, the political end of things in wrestling. The
only thing I can think of in the last twenty years, besides the examples
you provided, is when nine to eleven happened here, there was a group
called the un Americans and it was like Christian Test and somebody else I can't
remember, and Lance Storm maybe, and they were trying to burn flags on
TV. Of course I never actually did. And you know that we were
trying to without talking about nine to eleven, capitalize on UH ON, on
the events of UH nine to eleven by bringing political bringing patriotism that had been
on the rise since nine to eleven UH into the wrestling storyline because everyone at
that point was you know, everyone felt united at that point, and they
were the UnAmericans who were trying to burn flags and like so you've seen it
throughout the years. But I do applaud generally, you know, for WWE
not bringing in political agendas into the company. And yeah, the Samy's any
thing. We'll have to see if he continues to push that kind of stuff.
I hope he doesn't. We don't need it. I don't care what
your message is. It just doesn't belong there. So well, let's let's
get a little bit harder into the wrestling side of this, because that's,
uh, you know what we're here for. But uh, what do you
what's your take so far on the Roman Reigns run. Are you ready for
it to be over? And if you are, who would you have him?
Who would you have beat Roman Reigns for the Championship. I got to
say that before your maybe show yesterday, I like some of the people in
your maybe show Maybe show said that Roman maybe like as like parts of cancer
or still have like cancer in his body. And this is the one of
the reasons that it's not wrestled so much. And even with that reason,
I got to say something that it sounds like a little bit hard, but
it's maybe one of the worst runs with Championship ever. In so many ways,
the Roman Reigns reign damaged the Championship, the industry, w WE,
other wrestlers, and even in the first days, I remember, like so
clear in the moment that he went ill in a Payback. There was a
time that he said that he went ill like in a SummerSlam. Do you
remember that There were times that he said that like Roman Wains were ill in
SummerSlam, but he didn't like in Payback, and I and like I remember
when I saw that, I was wow, Roman Waing's become Hello, this
is so good, This is so great. And when he started to build
the bloodline, when he went like a story with j U Saw and Jimmy
or So, and like the first deal was great because Roman did the shift.
Roman was wrestling. Roman did great things. His match with Edge and
Daniel Bryan was really good. His promo were really good. The partnership between
em and Paul Aiman, and after we had the semin Zane solosikoa it was
the best story in wrestling. But in the moment that he took the championship
from Broke Lessner and tok take it hostage for so many months and like made
it that he can wrestle just against people that he wanted to wrestle against,
and the wrestled like I don't know, like maybe like fifteen or twenty people
since he became champion. It made so much damas damage to the industry.
So many people didn't get an opportunity to be a champion, or even wrestle
for a championship or even wrestled to be a number one contender. Also,
for so many months, we had like just one championship main championship title,
and it was disappearing for so much months because he didn't wrestle, and lately
this is also what makes me so upset about this run. It looks like
it doesn't care so much. It just comes to one SmackDown or one row
one man event every two or three months, like doing the wrestling thing,
and like it doesn't seem like so much care about it because it's the champion
already, and like we know that no one will win him, like I
don't know when I will give my prediction what will be in the future in
a moment, but it looks like that it doesn't care anymore. And most
of all, and this is like, what of the baddest thing that happens
in his run his rivals is the people that wrestle against him losing not even
clean again and again the bloodline people Jimmius Jails so Sami then are doing the
same thing every man and make him look and they are losing in the same
way. So you think to yourself, like he's not a strong champion because
they have people around him that defending him. He's not Like I don't say
you need to be like seth rulings. But he needed like to defend it's
champions so much like a month or two. But he's not doing that,
and no one even like saying, hey, why do you don't do it?
Like even l and I didn't say anything about why you're not defending your
championship. No one doing it. And yes, and I got to say
that Roman race although it was right in the start, and like you do
have like the statics of like one thousand and five hundred days or like two
hundred days and know like how much is Daisy champion right now? But it's
not that good. It's not that good. We had better champions that were
champions less time than him. I'm really not good about about it. And
yes, like I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
And they do have opportunities to do other great things, but they just said
to ourselves one and when it should be our champion for three or four years,
and like everything else should be like less important. And he damaged WW
a lot, and yes, well that was a nice recap, and you
brought up some things that I had forgotten about, and you know, all
valid points. Now I think when I look at WWE now and I'm looking
at why are they keeping Roman champion? It comes down to one thing.
It comes down to one reason why he is still champion, and that is
just length of time. That's all they care about because at this point we
know Roman can put on good matches. He does, He's a very well
rounded wrestler. He is much in proved on the mic. But he himself
is not gaining anything from holding onto this championship any longer than WWE feels that
he should be. Meaning WWE is looking at this saying we will benefit by
having him surpass Hull Cogan. But in the meantime, Roman himself is as
a character I think, being damaged because he's not there. He's getting a
lot of the criticism. He's not able to work with guys that he could
help build, help new stars, help the next generation of stars you know,
come about. And now all roads lead to well, we want to
make sure he has a long run. Everything now is just about ticking off
the days so that he can surpass Hull Cogan's championship run. He'll be number
three on the list and then he can maybe get to number two and he
won't be number one by the way there's it's nearly there's almost no way they'll
do that. He will have to be a champion for six and a half
or seven years. That's how long it would have to be for him to
beat Bruno sah Martino, which is not going to happen, I hope,
Which means we're just over maybe halfway through his championship run. Like you hope
that you want tip and like you think they could feel like they yeah,
no, I know. I mean imagine though that we probably would have said
a year maybe two years ago, we would have said, no way,
Roman's going to be champion in two years, and here we are, right
like, so, who knows. They may have plans to have Roman be
champion the next three and a half years. I don't. I doubt it,
but it's I wouldn't put it past them. I still think they're going
to get to passing Hulk Hogan and then after that we can say, okay,
you know, maybe let's get it off of him. But all the
sacrifice that they've made, all of the things that they've missed, the opportunities
they could have had, all for Roman just having a long run is really
not worth it because you're also putting unrealistic expectations on the person who's gonna beat
Roman, that that person's anointed as the next, you know, the next
Roman reigns. That's not a fair label to put on anybody. So I
mean, I'm I really don't care who wins it at this point. I
despise the Cody character. Maybe we can talk about him next, but even
I would allow that to happen just to get the championship back, just so
that if Roman wants to come and go on his schedule every two to three
months, let him do it. Just don't sacrifice everyone else's careers for the
sake of just getting to a mile marker on the number of days that you're
champion. That's been the biggest problem that I've had. So I think the
prediction, I don't know, I don't know what need to will be a
spoiler like Paul manzv that twenty twenty five russell Mania forty one will be the
end of Roman Reign's reign. I think maybe against the work, maybe against
someone else. It will be in rustle Mania forty and then like it will
be Roman Cody Part two in wrestle Mania forty one, I don't know how
they're going to do this. I don't know which story they are going to
supply us in those year and a half, but I can still see them
like putting the Roman reigns rain like until Russell Mania forty one, and if
they I mean probably Cody Wolds will be the one that will beat Roman race
and we can start talking about Cody Roads. But the last thing, maybe
you can speak about it in the mail bag in a Sunday as well.
But I sent you a photo of army dust. Yeah, it's like I
mean, if you think about Cody Roads is a mediocre wrestler is a media
caressler because it was a mediacre wrestler until it got fired in WW like seven
years ago. And the story they are telling it's not the correct story they
supposed to tell, because they are telling us a story about Cody Roads that
is like the new John Cinna, that everyone should love him and everyone should
be excited about him. But they don't give you a reason. They give
you like a cool music entrance. They give you like a cool look,
a cool character, a happy, good lucking character that I made. I
got to make the fans happy. And this is like the reason that you
got to like him. But if they will tell the real story, they
need to tell the story of Cody Rhoads. How much it was a mediocre
wrestler, right, they should tell the fans that after he was a mediocre
wrestler, he became one of the founders of a W. He made a
revolution in the wrestling industry in the world, he became an important people.
But they are not telling us this story because a W is not existing in
the ww universe, Like we can't say anything about it. It's so stupid
as well. And Cody Worlds, it just came like two years ago and
he did nothing relevant. I mean it just won Seph Orleans got injured,
and then if won the Royal Ramble. They had no reason for him to
win the Royal Ramble. I don't. I'm not talking about the character.
I'm talking about like what he did in his career, and his career didn't
make him like earn the place in the Royal Rambell and then like you earn
a place in WrestleMania, doesn't it doesn't have like any reason to have this
kind of special place, like to be against Roman Rains and then like he
loses to Roman in the ordinary original thing that happens to all of the enemies
of the Roman reigns, and then like still nothing like really like it didn't
earn anything as well. From this point it became like a Tech Team champion.
He won broke lestener in an unconvincing way. So I gotta say it's
not a thing that I ate Cody Roads characters so much. It just made
up superstar that he wanted to make up new Roman reigns, And to a
lot of the wrestling fans, I don't see a reason why it should be
the one that beat Roman reigns. I don't see a reason that you have
like a place like he have right now. And yes, his character is
bad right now, but they're not giving like us like any more reason except
like we have a good song. Is the good people like be a fan
of thing. I don't feel like any like attachment to the Cody words.
And yes, and this is they have a character that I don't. They
are very lucky that they're getting the reaction that they are. But like you
said, trying to break this down, I don't know why people cheer for
him. I mean, I understand his dusty rhodes Son. Fine, great,
Okay. That gives you, you know, it gives you a name,
and it gives you a dad, and we know a little bit about
you now for one from one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, Dusty
Roads. Great. But outside of that, he left, like you said,
he left under the Stardust gimmick, which was laughable. Everyone knew it
was a tearble gimmick. He goes over to ae W. He starts a
company over there. He has some matches actually with his brother gold Dust,
and the crowd eventually turned on him, and he, after a couple of
years, acides, this isn't for me. I want to go back.
And then he comes back and everyone blows up. Everyone, Oh my god,
this is like, you know, the second Coming. This is great,
and it's like, why because he's the first star to come from AW
to WWE Is that the reason, you know? Or is it his music?
Is it his bleach blonde hair? What is it? I don't know
why people feel that he is just this this star that he really actually he
doesn't. He shouldn't get the reaction that he does. He's lucky. WW
is very lucky to get the reaction that they have with him, but trying
to understand why he does is even more of a mystery. Uh, and
it's because he hasn't ever won a world title. I actually think he's a
little bit better of a wrestler than probably you do. I don't think he's
I don't think he's you know, Brett Hart, but I think he's he's
I actually think he's good. I don't think he's great. And then you
have a promo ability on the mic that's he's pretty good. But he's so
produced, and he wears suits, and he smiles too much, and he's
just he's too pandering, as I've gone over a million times. So people
seem to like that. Though maybe they get to they like him because they
can sing along with his song. I don't know. I'm not sure,
but I just I look at this and nice, I look forward on what
is probably gonna happen here, and I think it's gonna be, as you
said, probably Cody Roads beating Roman Reigns, and it could happen as soon
as Wrestle Media forty. I don't think Roman has any chance of dropping it
before forty, and Cody Roads versus Roman two is probably a very likely place
that Cody Roads wins. Now, let me ask you and then maybe we
can move on to a final topic. Is do you think that or would
you be okay with if Roman drops the belt and you get somebody who who
takes it and actually visible, but that person's Cody Roads. Would you sacrifice
the belt coming back to being visible but it's Cody the one that's carrying it.
So first of all, if we continue to speak about Cody, I
gotta say, like I'm comparing him to John Cena. They're trying to make
him the new John Cina. Everyone should like you. You need to be
like the WWE audio said, like they're all around the wrestler, like faith
wrestler. Everyone will like you. And I think it's like the new John
Cina. But if you like compare between Cody and John Cina. I began
to love wrestling twenty years ago when I was ten years old, in the
roofless aggression era. These were the time that John Cina came to the good
place, and John Cena and the story that he earned things he came from
f c W and yeah fc W. I don't remember which one of these
was the John Cina came off, and John Cina came and he won the
United States Championship. He was the prototype. It was the doctor Phangomonic or
not remember what it was his name there And I learned to love John Cina.
Over the years, I was his biggest fan. I think he's one
of the greatest of all time, not the greatest of all time, one
of the greatest of all time. And I was a real fan of John
Cina. And over the years, John Cina earned his place. When he
became a champion, it was so much of exciting things. When he lost
the champion, I was said with him and John Cinna became like one of
the greatest versors ever. And then I think Cody Rhoads, they try to
place him as the new John Cinna. And in the place that Cody Roads
right now is located. It's not worth it that it will be the champion.
I don't want that it will be the champion. That will be Roman
Wayns. We have so many other possibilities that can be good. It could
have been a La Night that is so much over right now. It could
have been Jay Ulso, it could have been someone from NXTED. It really
earned his place in WWE. I don't want it. They have decided about
it. This will be the future. I mean I don't I want it
to be other things. But Cody will take the championship from Roman Waynes like
period that there's no like other option. There is no other option. I
think I didn't want this will be the option. But Cody Roads were going
to do this. But if you say, like, oh, so,
the other thing will be like Roman wins will be like the disappearing champion for
so much years and like Cody Worlds got to save us from Roman Reigns and
got to save us from the evil disappearing the Roman reigns. So I don't
buy this story. I don't buy this story that is our Cody Worlds champion
or Roman Wines disappearing champion for so many years. This is the story that
they're trying to tell. I don't think it's so much of a good story.
Probably when Cody Warts will win the champion, people will be so much
happy and there will be so much fireworks, and it will be like the
face of Cody will be written in the stars, and like maybe they will
change the company named to Cody Rhoades wrestling and not a w W. I
don't know, but yes, it will be like a feeling that, yes,
finally Roman ras is not the champion anymore. But it's not a real
feeling. It's not an organic feeling. It's like it's not organic for me.
Yes, and it stinks that we're coming to the you know this point
in Roman's run and thinking you're saying, I don't even care who it is,
because that actually shouldn't be the purpose of this end of the title run.
The purpose should be the opposite where we're thinking, oh my god,
okay, it's got to be somebody select And at first we all felt that
way where when this is a special run, you know, whoever beats him
is going to be anointed as the next guy. And they really got to
think about it. And I know a lot of people now that are just
saying, I don't care who it is. That should not be the feeling
that that you want fans to have of. I don't care who the hell
it is, even Cody. Just let them take it so Roman can come
and go as he pleases, but not hold the championship hostage and also not
allow other guys to have opportunities at that belt because I don't Again, I
don't want a Seth Rolins defending it, you know, every day twice on
Sunday, which is what Seth Rowlinds seems to do. I think there was
actually some bad things about doing it that way, as I've outlined on this
show before, over exposing the championship, making it feel less valuable, allowing
anyone to have an opportunity. None of that should apply here. But I
also don't want Roman reigns as run. We see we have two extremes.
I need somebody in the middle. We have Roman who's never there and defends
it once every four months, and then you've got Seth Rollins who defends it,
you know, eight times a day. And I don't want that either,
Like I want somebody in the middle defends it and it wants every pay
per view once every pl That makes sense, fine, But all right,
Well, in our limited time left, I'm gonna let you choose the topic
that we talk about here in the final few minutes. So I don't know
if there's something that you've wanted to discuss or wanted to air on this show
wrestling wise, but I guess the floor is yours if you want to take
it so much responsibility? What do I pick? And I would say like
two little things. First of all, I know you don't like the wargames
format, but I really really advisive to see wargames in NXT. There you
can see like a really aggressive aggressive fight between wrestlers and a real good story
and a real reason for the war games. And if you will see the
NXT wargames, you will also understand why you should have a reason for war
games match and not just like this is the wargames time to a wargames match
and that's it, because it becomes like Alan Nacel or like TLC, like
this is the time for wargames, the war game match. So if you
have like any time, watch wargames in NXT, and this is one thing.
And if you watch NXT as well, in this opportunity, I'll advise
you also to watch a rivalry between L. A. Knight and Cameron Grimes
when they had like a rivalry around the million dollar Championship. Did you haven't
to see the opportunity to see this bribery? So you got to see it
because this is the time that you understand how much good La Night is and
how much great it can be when you have like a story and a good
opponent against him. And this is how you build like a good story around
l A Night. So I advise you to see also the thing between n
A Night and Cameron Grimes. I just wanted to say, like one more
thing about a W. And I know I don't know what you're thinking about
it. I don't see a W at all, but I most of the
time just your podcast about it. But for me, I feel that,
aw, it's like Tony Kahn got a lot of money in both like wrestlers
from all over the places, like the wrestlers he likes, and that's it.
They don't have like a lot of contact in those programs. They do
things like in a weird way. I just sent you like the think about
the anti semitic part with MGF like a few weeks ago, Like they're doing
things so weird and people like it and people like it and people do like
this a W thing. But I gotta say that I don't connect to a
W so much, and I know that you do as well. Dot connected
so much, and yeah, who knows that if they will have like a
better future in the future, but it's so much of a weird show right
now. And like there were times that a photo myself, maybe I would
switch to AW and we'll see like a little bit of WWE when they have
like bad things to WWRE. But I I don't have like any reason to
connect AW. I can't do it, and I will still stay a part
of w W as the future will go on. Yes, well I haven't.
Yeah, I haven't checked that out yet. As far as the anti
semitic part of MJF, I'm gonna have to google that. I feel like
I thought I saw it. Maybe I didn't now have to google that was
it? Was it a promo that he did or something they did, like
a story that one wrestler is like holding the coins and say Freedman like the
MGF like real family name and say Freedman and molding the coins than like anti
cemitting reference And it was really really weird, and it just shows you,
like that they don't understand what they are doing so much. That's saying like
do everything you want, I'm paying give like a lot of money, and
like there is not like a real understanding what they are doing. So well,
here you have a billionaire who's running the company that's a wrestling fan himself.
That allows a lot of freedom among their wrestlers. And there's something to
be said for that, because if if I'm a wrestler, I'm looking at
this saying all right, well that I'm not going to be just completely suffocated
by management and you know, every little thing I do needs to be approved,
and they're allowing more creative freedom. That's appealing if you're a wrestler.
You want we want freedom. You want to be able to just do what
you want and not be suffocated. But at the same time, you're allowing
the inmates to run the asylum like you. You are allowing kind of groups
to form, like with WCW and the whole political power game with Hulk Hogan
and Kevin Nash and Scott Hall that they ran literally backstage, not just on
camera. You start to have that issue come about again, like you're you're
fermenting an environment that will probably duplicate what happened in WCW, because there does
seem need to be an element of control. Now I'm sure they do have
management there, but they see they seem very loosey goosey. They don't seem
to be very you know, micromanagement, micromanagers, and that's that's okay.
I don't like being micromanaged, but you need to have a balance, and
I feel like it's out of balance right now. And it sometimes feels like
their show is doesn't have a direction like they and I've seen a few of
their shows over the last couple of months, but I don't I don't talk
about it that much because we have an AEW reviewer here and I feel like
I haven't seen it enough to speak intelligently on it. But it does feel
like they are a different product. That's good, you don't want to feel
like WWE. But also they feel a little bit like out of whack.
They don't feel like they just kind of feel like they're doing things to do
things sometimes, and yeah, it can always be improved. I wish them
nothing but the best. I want another place for guys to be able to
work, women to be able to work. That's great, that's good for
them, and it's also good if you want to just like say, hey,
maybe something crazy will happen on AEW and we'll you know, you go
check that out. But it also concerns me if if I'm an AEW fan.
I'm looking at the people that they're hiring, like Rick Flair, who
might have another match, and that Rick Flair, who's seventy some years old,
may have another match in AEW. Chris Jericho, who is well past
his prime. They just hired Big Show, Okay, Like, is this
apparently their next generation of wrestlers or all these guys? I mean like they
at times it feels like they're just bringing in the old timers. And I
know they're they grab ratings and people watch, but at the same time,
you know, you want to build the next generation of talents. And I
really just say hope. And here's the last thing I'll say. I don't
know how you feel. I still want MJF INWWE come January of this year,
this coming year. So he hasn't signed a contract yet with AEW from
what I understand, and he's gonna become a free agent, and when he
does, I I really want to see a m j F n w W
A. Don't you think that he should be the one that win? Bringing
on? Yes? Yeah, yes, so much of a better thing that
Cody. We're going to have so much of a Cody if you if you're
the sack of Cody, now, just wait till he's champion every day,
every every Monday, ne raw or SmackDown, wherever he's at at that point,
and he's coming out smiling every single h every single week, and it's
gonna be there's gonna be a lot more Cody than less Cody as we go
forward. So those of us that are that don't like this babyface character or
we're gonna get more than we ever wanted for for Cody Roads unless he turns.
He I mean, I do want at some point a Cody Roads heel
turn, but that's nowhere near you know what they're talking about. I'm sure
right now you will miss Roman Range. Oh yeah, when you will have
I mean, that's the thing is when people people say they want something,
they get it and they're like, oh, well, I don't know if
I want that. No, like, I will miss Roman Reigns from just
the actual just the character perspective and the bloodline and all that, that was
one of the best storylines they've ever produced over the last three years. It's
run its course now, but during the time a year and a half ago
when it was hot as hell, that was the best, and he has
improved immensely by turning heel and aligning himself with Hayman, and since that time,
he's turned his career around. He's a Hall of Famer, So i'll
miss him. From that perspective, I won't miss the championship not being visible.
I won't miss the championship not being there six months out of the year,
So that's what I won't miss. But all right, well, Charon,
do you have any last comments or anything you want to say before we
wrap it up? And first of all, thank you so much met for
eving in me in your podcast. I got to say that I listened to
your postcards for something like three or four years. I became so much of
a great fan of your work. You're also like an inspiration for me because
I think also about doing podcasts by myself as well. On like talking about
I really like a cinema man. I learned cinema and I teach cinema,
so I feel like to do a podcast or cinema as well. So I
take a lot of like inspiration from you and from your work. So it
was really really good to be part of your show. And please keep doing
contact so much because this is like the thing that makes me have askepism from
the situation right now. And it's really really good that I have like an
opportunity to hear your podcast. And also I would say one more time,
it's really brave that what you said and that you gave me an opportunit need
to speak about the situation in Israel, because you hear so much of the
bad things that people say, and it's not a good times in the world
to say that you are and easily and even like a Jew, that people
thinks all kinds of weird thinks about you. And just remember that no matter
what you're in the news, try to understand what is the real thing,
try to understand what really happens, and try to understand that right now we
have a country that is in a bad thing and were looking forward that the
war will end and our people will come back to our places in good terms,
and I'm looking forward for better times in Israel, and I will just
still listen and watch wrestling as my escapism and my good place in those days.
And thank you again, well, thank you Sharon, and you know
this has been a lot of fun. It's crazy that we're I go like
five thousand miles away here having this conversation and you're in the middle of a
well not you specifically, but you're much closer to a war zone than I
am. And you know, the things that's going on there, as we
talked about the beginning of the show, is really just something I can't wrap
my mind around. The things that have happened. There are the worst things
I've ever seen in my life. And you know, obviously, I'm sure
everyone listening would wish you and your family safe, you know, a safe
and you know, a happy future as we move forward, and we all
hope it ends soon. But yeah, we're actually trying to there's talks here
of like World War three and all that kind of stuff, So we're trying
it in the United States, trying to avoid getting involved, and and I
hope we do because I you know, obviously, we don't want to expand
this. We want to just kind of end it quickly. So hopefully that
is what happens, and to continue to watch wrestling. I appreciate the comments
and the compliments. It's you know, it's it's weird that you know,
when I speak, I say this all the time. I don't know who's
listening. I don't know who is out there listening to my voice. You
never have any clue, and it's you know, you're thousands of miles away.
And now, you know, maybe you start your own show, and
I hope you do. And if you do, let me know. We
can, you know, give you a little promotion on the show here.
But yeah, so very good, and we'll stay in touch. Continue to
use wrestling as your escape, as you said, continue to just just you
know, you need that for your mental health. So thank you so much
for own Thank you, Matt, thank you, follow the listeners, and
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