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So we need to further thank just
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I would love I would love to
taco from man Evan Garnado for bumping

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up the pledge. What's up to
Anthony Fiori and just Justin Schiller and a

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heavy hitter in the moat tier by
the name of Dylan Smith. We deeply

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appreciate the uh the vote of confidence. Vote with your wallet. It's the

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only kind of vote that counts in
America. That's that's so true. All

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Epton, thank you very much,
and on we appreciate that. Cake.

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Ben Osley, longtime supporter. Well
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Clyde, thank you very much.
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Mikey Wild you want to talk about
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as best he can in Thailand from
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Thailand. I think he's teaching according
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to him. It's not working.
Is he working? Matches and Tie?

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I'm not sure for his eating tie, I mean I suppose that's true.

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It's a choice. Alex, Alex, I don't know your last name,

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but we appreciate the bump up and
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What a great first Murdo, Eric
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appreciate it. Welcome to the ept
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reading off all of these names.
If you've ever scoffed at us pitching our

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Patreon, these are the people you
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me, you tell me who you'd
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willing to put the cake on the
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who don't think everything's free. Have
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We appreciate it. Da Thorne Pov
what have wrestling gifts? It's obviously sort

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of like an account name more than
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convey what they what they list,
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no, no, no, I'm
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make sure I got it right,
okay. Martin Zamora, thank you very

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much. Welcome to the VIP Circles. Name to you, Tom Pedley.

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We see you, son, and
we appreciate it. All these months later,

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our boy able in Phoenix has a
note that I'd like for you to

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pass on to the ten solar system. Boss. You know we all go

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through stuff, yes, and when
you're a TLF listener, we go through

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it together in some kind of way. And Abel has this to pass on

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if I can only find my window
here? All right, there you go,

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All right, able co chairs.
There's just something about two old school

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wrestling fans admiring an ico pro duffel
bag while the sounds of a roaring fire

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crackles away in the background that just
warms my heart. Yeah. Think,

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please tell me that this will become
an annual tradition. Yes done. My

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apologies for not being able to send
you anything this year, as has been

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a tumultuous holiday season for me.
I hope my monthly Mote privilege pledge will

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suffice at least for right now.
You see, my girlfriend of ten years

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and I determined that, like many
tag teams, were both fare better in

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singles competitions. We're coming up on
our ten year two. But we're not

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going to make this That's true.
That's a good point. Sadly, when

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you reach a point where you feel
more alone in a relationship than when than

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you did when you were single,
that when you know it's time to move

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on. While there is no need
to go into details of the split,

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no broken barbershop windows were involved.
That's good. I've realized that many memories

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that we share together are connected to
specific TLF episodes. For example, I

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have always associated the Piper Tribute with
our very first trip to Coronado, California.

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That's beautiful, though, Oh,
I gotta say sorry that it's gonna

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sorry. You can't ever listen to
that episode or go to Coronado again.

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Yeah, that's a double edged sword. The soundscape, you know, it's

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either you don't know if what you
see, you know, associate happily is

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going to change in context. Yep, exactly. Um, I mean there's

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a ton of shit that you know, even to this day, I don't.

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I don't. I almost like,
out of luck, I don't listen

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to it, you know, like
I've I've created a weird superstition of shit

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that I'm like, No, I
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I mean other things, no,
no, no episodes, but like,

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um, you know, uh,
certain things I'm just like no, I

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like, I'm not. I don't
go so much. The hilarious jury selection

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process of the trial is life played
through my car speakers while trying to navigate

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around Santa Barbara during a summer vacation. Those star cast bits that you were

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dropping every ten minutes a few years
back, I'll always connect those moments with

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Flagstaff's beautiful mountainous landscapes during one of
our many weekend escapes from Phoenix. The

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point I'm trying to make is that, as a longtime listener, I didn't

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realize just what a significant role you
two played in my life during the last

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few years until I reflected back on
the experiences of my relationship. The fact

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that I can look back on my
time listening and relistening in some cases,

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I can often remember exactly where I
was or what I was doing during many

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t left moments. It's truly incredible. On another note, JP, while

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I agree with you that Santa Claus
the movie desinally definitely hasn't aged well one

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as I had hoped, you can't
deny that the film's score is far far

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better than it is. Yeah,
I mean, listen, I will agree.

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It's I mean, it's Henry Mancini. You can't go wrong, all

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right, He's such he's a legend. So it's like, I agree,

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it's so Yeah, I certainly hope
we can find a way to bring Liftgow's

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autobiography back into the cast. I'd
happily pay fifty dollars a month just to

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listen to GP read aloud from Yeah, don't don't say things you know the

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woman in the Port Central Park tells
Kevin, don't say what is it?

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Don't make promises you can't keep.
Yeah, yeah, well I'll tell you

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what you know. Someone said that
about fucking wrestle Mammia, and look what

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happened. All right, don't make
promises your wallet can't keep. Exactly what

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a way to kick off the new
year with a look back. Look it's

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DNA run. I can't speak for
anyone else in the Solar system, but

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I'm really hoping we're in for some
exciting surprises in twenty twenty three. How

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about Ronick? Is it that we
didn't read this letter until we were done

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with TNA? I know exactly,
and like, well, no surprises thus

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far, Pal, but pretty fucking
locked up or locked down as I suppose.

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Yeah, wait, our twenty twenty
was delay. Yeah right, I

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have my fingers crossed for a Gawker
trial reenactment, Brother and a deep dive

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into that awesome WCW Superstar series.
Oh that's the v chess is that we

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got? Yes, I think you're
talking about. Yeah, you know,

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the whole trial. Trust me,
you didn't want that. There's so much

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in that trial that has nothing to
do with whole Hogan. It's so much

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to do with like the maschinations of
putting the story together. It's just it's

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not it's not worthy. It's not
a wrestler or sort of on trial and

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everybody's talking about them. I mean, that's that's the thing. It's like,

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it's not right the wrestlers, the
plaint of here. He's not the

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defendant, right right? Oh yeah, you're the defendant. The whole different

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story. Um, Christ, how
in the hell can anyone compete with such

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incredible gifts? Please don't never leave
me, gentlemen. Twenty three more than

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ever. And while I realized that
Sonoran Sonoran hot dogs and Mexican style coffee

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might not travel well across the country, I'm sure I can come up with

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something. Oh man, we're looking
forward to it. Able. I'll told

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you're well man, fucking Mexican style
coffee please, Yeah, I don't give

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a shit of it. Spoiled.
I think the risk seriously to Rome Morgan,

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thank you for the pledge. Kl
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c ak. We appreciate an Anthony
O'Brien and David Flores who bumped his pledge

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all the way up to the fifty
dollars tier. It's like buying one of

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those cock pumps, you know.
Yes, it makes your dick like thirty

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times widerants or comforts. Of course
it is to be in the moat tier.

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Jeff Pop, we appreciate it.
Matt D. Hollow Rich boy Sean

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Ball, thank you very much for
the cake. Patrick Hayden, you're goddamn

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right. Andrew Brister, thanks for
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pledge. Damien, I want to
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denomination as well. Matteius took us
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bucks at us on PayPal and writes
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time for me to finally act like
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belongs. Thanks for the fucking cast. There we go. That's exactly correct.

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Michael Thornton, thanks very much for
bumping all the way up to the

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moat tier, my friend, we
really appreciate the vote of confidence. Dave

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Dravello and Daniel Beasley and Jonathan Siderman
and Brian Cruz, who of course is

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a huge contributor to our understanding of
TNA during TNH. We appreciate all that

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you've done and thank you for the
pledge. We go to Chad. Now,

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this is kind of a random drop
in, but I thought it was

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kind of compelling some of the things
he was asking. It's about Wrestlemanian nine

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and Brett's first title run. This
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the country of Chad, a gentleman
named Chad, and not the stuff that's

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left behind right on when you vote
brother, Hello co chairs, just we

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listen to your Wrestlemanian nine show.
And a few theories about Brett's planned title

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run stuck in my head. Not
to question the Melts, but the supposed

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plans that fell through for the series
and the rumble don't add up to me.

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First, Jacob's Survivor series, Jake
was out of the company six months

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before they decided to give Breath the
title. I sort of feeling he was

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being lined up for Sean even before
he h even before we winning winning the

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title, and it just worked as
an opponent in lieu of any better options

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for him. It wasn't Jake supposed
to being creative. Yeah, Jake thought

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some points going to transition into a
creative role after dropping to an undertaker at

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WrestleMania, right. Um, So, I don't know. I don't know

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why they would have, um,
why Brett would have put in his book

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that he believed he was going to
work a program with Jake. He probably

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asked for it, they said yes, and yeah, probably told him they'd

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bring him back, but then Jake
went to WW. I don't know,

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honestly, don't don't know. It's
a very good point. There's a lot

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of chronology stuff that if you line
it up with Brett, he conflates different

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time periods. Yeah. Um,
like, you know, maybe he asked

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to work a program with Jake,
but it was actually the Intercontinental Belt and

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he puts in the year before before. Right. He doesn't even mention what

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he almost went to WCW as Intercontinental
Champion, which was like the front page

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story and the Observer and the talk
of the business. He doesn't even mention

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that. Yeah, so uh and
then Warrior at Rumbo. Okay, sure,

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maybe they did tell Brett this,
and I've heard this on other podcast

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too, so I'm sure, um
it was the supposed plan, but I've

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never really heard anyone delve into thinking
about this seriously, does anyone believe Warrior

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would have been willing to job,
let alone submit in the sharpshooter when it

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came down to do business. I
highly doubt it, and I would love

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to hear your thoughts. Yeah,
I think Vince in ninety two and ninety

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three in particular, was in the
mode of telling Brett whatever he wanted to

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hear, as far as making him
feel like he's actually the guy, right,

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and then, like he found out
with Hogan, when push comes to

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show, Vince will act like that's
not what he meant when the real stars

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in the room. And I'm not
saying Brett isn't a real star, but

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at the time he's not. In
terms of pull backstage pull, he's not

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a real star, right, He's
not a real star. This is the

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way this, Brett. You got
to accept that, pal, you're not

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a star. One last thing I
get to ask you for you guys,

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back when these things were going down, what was the bigger shock to you?

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Brett came the belt ninety two or
Diesel ninety four? What do you

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think Brett um. The only reason
I'm gonna say dees list because I can

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remember exactly when I found out with
Brett. I feel like, just like,

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by the time I realized he was
a champion, it wasn't like the

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first time he came out with it, so I was kind of like Rubble

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ninety three. I kind of realized
it, which is kind of late.

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I oh wow, now see I
can remember exactly the the the All American

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Wrestling that I watched it was because
everything leading up to it, everything leading

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up to it, I was just
getting used to Flair being champion again.

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Oh sure, that hadn't really sunk
into me that Flair was champion. And

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then and then all of a sudden, I'm watching this episode of All American

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Wrestling and they cut to me and
Geane on the on the interview podium and

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he announces the new w champion,
Brett Hart, and I'm like, that

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doesn't happen ever never, it never
happened since either in a lot of ways,

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I was just like, what the
absolute fuck are you talking about?

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Like my my, I was never
a huge Bret Hart fan, but I

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was so anti heel, you know
that any baby face with the belt,

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it was better than nothing. And
to see him, you know, because

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in my mind he was just Intercontinental
title material. He just lost to Davey

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Boy. You know. I was
very that you had that, you know,

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yeah, because the Diesel thing.
Not that I thought he was going

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to win the title. I just
was very I remember just kind of like

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thinking that, Okay, you know, his time soon, they're making they're

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making a push with him. I
could feel it the way that because especially

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the way I had heard about the
turn happening at Survivor series all that shit,

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it just felt like, Okay,
something's gonna happen, Yeah, Brett.

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I was just like I lost.
I got goosebumps when Brett came out

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with the belt, and you didn't
get goosebumps with Diesel came out with the

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belt. No, No, there
it is because it also because it was

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a different surprise, Like if I
remember correctly, it's like I watched Saturday

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morning TV after Survivor series that when
did it happen? Was it Friday or

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Saturday Saturday? Right Saturday night we're
talking about Diesel. Diesel. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, Okay, Saturday
almost positive. Okay, So I watched

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Saturday Morning TV and I just so
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so I kind of went into you
know, I knew he was. I

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knew that they'd made the big,
the big heeled turn, I mean the

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face turn for him with Sean Michaels
kicking him the face, and and Monday

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on Raw when I'm watching, they
played the video of it at the beginning

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of the show. Yes, I
remember this, and so I wasn't really

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so to me, it was kind
of like, oh, that's pretty cool.

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Well that's great, glad we're not
getting the fucking Bob Backlin run.

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Right. But now the Bret Hart
thing was just completely out of no where

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because I didn't see him in that
role. I didn't see him as a

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world champion at that time. No
Diesel, there was no reason to him

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and well no, no, no, Diesel, I did. I'm saying,

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Bret Hard. I didn't see him
as a world champion. He was

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intercontinental to me at you know,
all the way, because that's what I

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only know. You know, yeah, Diesel, him on the icy strap.

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It was just he was just just
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baby face, which to me was
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run like this. And and I
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it was we kind of my friends
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the ninety four Rumble, we were
all kind of like, like everybody

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else like, oh fuck Diesel,
Holy shit, oh Diesel. You know,

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so that was a heel totally,
but we were just kind of like

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blown away by that that it was, you know, and it set up

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nicely. Bred emerged, you know, he faced, so you know,

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so it kind of fun that was
over yeah, um or that you know,

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that Rumble build was just to build
a challenger for Brett. It wasn't

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to build a new world champion.
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it started. Very interesting. Well, um, and to say nothing of

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the fact that Brett was coming off
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ever, the biggest Summer's lame,
right, That's exactly it. Like,

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it's just like all these things just
kind of didn't didn't come and didn't really

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place with me at the time at
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I was still I was less than
a year watching regularly. Yeah,

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you know, I was still.
That was still new for for a for

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for a championship to change hands too
on a show without you know, any

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kind of build to. It was
just chocking to me. That happened twice

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too, because the Flare thing didn't
have I'd never saw the Flare thing either.

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Ye. So, um, I
guess there wasn't much left that you

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could cover to bring you back this
exact time period unless one day you cover

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the Saturday. Yeah, well,
Saturday's main event from October. That will

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certainly do the trick. Hopefully you
can touch on this if you do another

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mail bag show down the line the
sent in January. Yeah, right,

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but we get it done. That's
the thing. We close loops. Takes

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a while, but we closed loop. HOLLI we leave him closed, saster.

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Thank you, Sean Richardson, Thank
you, Mark Sullivan, Thank you

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Cole. Thank you. Cole sent
a missive in um concert with his pledge

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and this this is like such a
sign of the times. Around late January,

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early February, as I'm going back
through this, we our mailbox starts

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blowing up with people fucking around with
chat GPT. It was like, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, you could have
you can put on a chart like

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when the solar system started sending us
messages and when it started taking off.

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Is the only thing anybody was thinking
about for a little while there. Oh

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god, yeah, and Cole had
the idea, let's do an AI generated

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lapsed vince press release. Oh my
god, so for no other reason,

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and then because it's hilarious, but
also because you put cake on the table.

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We're very glad to share one of
what will be a few more here

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to come. In this back episode
AI generated Lapsed Inspired folks, they're training

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the AI on the TLF catalog and
it's it's getting dangerous, all right,

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and and we're gonna have a union
thing about this exactly. Yeah. Yeah,

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this does not grant anybody writes in
perpetuity. Let's make at all dear

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coach chairs and my dear coach coach
chairs of my cole cavern. That's correct.

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He's got some dusty shit up there. I guess I'm a stupid bitch,

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and I lapsed from the LAPS fan
in twenty twenty two as a failed

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attempt to be a better father than
my newborn. But I'm back that right,

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I went back, Yes you did. Um uh now, and I

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have a gift for you. I'm
behind an episode, so not sure if

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anyone else has got to this first
apologies off so, but maybe you've seen

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news articles about chat g PT and
I think it was written twenty years ago.

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Already, know it really does,
seven really does. I don't know

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if you see miracles about this thing. I really have not. I have

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not. I don't know anything about
it, but except that from what I've

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heard from from you and so system
members to say, you know, write

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something in the style of Vince.
And as you say, well, first

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you say because it doesn't know who
laps Vince is. First you say lapsed.

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Vince has these characteristics. Oh my
god. So it downloads them,

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it understands what you mean, and
then it kind of spits out in the

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style of what you told them.
The personality is what he would say.

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The thing is like chat GPT.
It just sounds almost sounds like AOL I

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am you know, Yes, it's
so fucking dated already. Yeah, it

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just sounds gross. Um. Anyway, so the generation I decided to give

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it a go and see if it
could generate some Vince McMahon branded press release.

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Nonsense, here's what it output.
M McMahon Entertainment, the industry leader,

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pause for one sec. Yes,
because what I want to do is

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he kind of he sets it up
to where he only he only reveals that

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he gave it the prompts afterwards.
Okay, you're like, holy shit,

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chit chatty, but he knows who
lapsed vinces now, but I'll read,

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I'll go out of order here.
Okay. What he told it to do

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is write a press release in the
style of Vince McMahon announcing a new business

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media platform. Business venture include words
like branded entertainment, oh my god,

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synergy, vertical and horizontally integrated,
scripted, live, weekly episodic sports based

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vehicular spectacular. Include the phrases what
a maneuver, the Trial of my life,

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and Shane McMahon was never my son. Replaced the word WrestleMania with mcmanna

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palooza. Do not use the phrase
sports entertainment. Include a testimonial from Hulkogan

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that simply reads, brother hoof.
That is bizarre, So what do we

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get? Um McMahon Entertainment, the
industry leader in branded entertainment, is proud

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to announce its latest business venture.
The McMahon Media platfor this platform will be

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a horizontally integrated, vertically integrated media
platform offering scripted, live, weekly,

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episodic, sports based vehicular spectacles for
audiences around the world. The McMahon Media

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Platform will feature exclusive content for the
world of sports and entertainment, offering fans

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an unprecedented look at the McMahon world, from Vince McMahon and the McMahon family

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to the superstars and the McMahon Universe. Audiences will be able to experience it

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all through the McMahon Media Platform.
M mp fans can also expect exclusive coverage

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of the McMahon family's signature events,
including Mcmanapalooza and other pay per view events.

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Plus, the McMahon Media Platform will
feature unique content such as behind the

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scenes looks at the McMahon family's day
to day lives and exclusive interviews with the

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McMahon family and the superstars of the
McMahon Universe. The McMahon Media Platform promises

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to be a synergistic experience that will
excite and entertain audiences around the world.

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As Vince McMahon says, it is
the it's the trial of my life and

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I'm going to make sure it's a
success. What a maneuver. Shane McMahon

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was never my son, but he's
my brother. What see. It kind

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of goes off on its own,
but he's my brother and I'm excited to

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share this new venture with him.
Hulk Hogan, a longtime friend of the

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McMahon family, added, brother,
you gotta see this in print, folks.

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It's fucking hilarious. It really see
the written word of it. With

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a McMahan media platform, McMahon Entertainment
is set to revolutionize the world of sports

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and entertainment. Stay tuned for more
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stuff. That's hilarious. He actually
did it with something called chat Sonic,

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which is a chat GPT imitator,
basically because it was off light at the

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time. Cole also followed up a
month later. And the only other message

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I sent was in May twenty eighteen
that you guys read of the Road Wild

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ninety six episode. As recounted in
that message, I was inspired to write

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to you after I was gifted a
birthday phone call from Lanny Pofo. A

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few hours later gave me the text
version of the call. Announcing Bruno Sammartino

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had passed. I remember this.
Oh my god. The guy who Lanny

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like called back to Bruno died.
Didn't know the guy I know? Nope,

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Hey, but I think did you
get a he's got a moment?

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You know that I did that.
I just found out Bruno Sammartino has died.

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I'm gonna write you a poem.
Oh well, that goes without saying,

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Lanny, just get it over with. Bruno was a man. He

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used to sit on a cane.
He used to sit on a can when

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he went to the restaurant. Deep
hold on, just take a deep breath,

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Give me one second. Bruno was
a man. What was it right?

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He? Okay, okay. Bruno
was a man. He used to

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sit on a can when he went
to the restaur restaurant, he decided he

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would flaunt a poem by the m. Bruno was a man. He used

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to sit on a can m when
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he would flaunt a poem by the
Genius and also a fucking T shirt.

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Damn right, but I think pleased
X has put his finger on a very

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historical moment. He remembers it as
that email, launching the lapsed Landing character

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we all know and love. Yes, Yeah, and here four and a

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half years after writing only my second
message to you guys, A couple of

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weeks later, I get the call
from my brother, whose birthday gift to

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me inspired that first message about the
passing of Lannie. Wow, apst serendipity,

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cold, cold, this fucking real, damn right and more. Thank

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you for the pledge, Steven Hernandez, thanks very much for joining the inner

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circle here at TLF. Matthew Gundacre, Welcome to the VIP corner. Seth

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Curran. We always appreciate your support. Thank you very much for sticking with

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us. Andrew baldazon Over on PayPal
writes back pay and I am a god

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in your life. Someone said that
along the way, I'm a god in

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your life. I don't remember who. Some characters said that. Yeah,

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Anthony Fiori, thanks from bumping up
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Thank you, Matt Thank you for
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appreciate the cake. Thank you very
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bumping up your pledge. Ross Hamrick, It's great to have you. Thanks

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for the ep level pledge, Jesse
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Of course it doesn't stop there,
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very much for the cake. We
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way up to the moat tier again, truly humbling the amount of people who

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said, Yep, that's for me. Wow, fifty dollars a month,

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Trent morel Edge, Daniel Moehler,
Big Swinging Dick, Mike Poolan, DJ

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Hartley Brown? I mean, shall
I continue? Do I need to keep

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going before you get the point.
These these these these people know what it's

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all about. I don't have to
keep going, but I will. This

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one's from Ryan and this is around
the passing of Lanni Pofo, which of

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course hit his hard here at TLF
as it did. Subject line is ri

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ip TV on the ceiling. Dear
JP Cesaro and Jack Garcia Colossi Coulis that

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one was that was a direct hit. You know. That's when John Cena

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hits his knee at wrestle may need
to propose and he goes Nicole Garcia colis,

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Oh god, it's so cringe.
Oh my god. And his like

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new balance running sneakers that he wrestles
in. Oh, I know what a

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du it's like. Come on,
man, I'm a day late in finding

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out, but I just read that
Lanny Poffo has died. You will,

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however, live on in the lapsed
universe. Twenty twenty two was a crazy

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year for me and went by so
quickly that it seems like it just disappeared.

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My mom had a stroke in late
January. Were Gonna eventually died on

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March twenty two, twenty twenty two, around the time of Scott Hall.

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She was in poor health towards the
end, and I am happy she's no

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longer suffering Crohn's disease, fibromyalgia,
and chronic pain plague the majority of her

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adult life. That's that's rough.
It's tough. That's fucking rough. You

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hate to hear that. Yeah,
I like to think more about the happy

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times. I remember how she would
get excited to see the big guys like

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Vader and Yokozuna get beat up,
getting beat up. That's wrestle, Mommy

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a man. Yeah. It's a
tribute to the role Mom's play in our

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fans. Yes, yes, by
kind of allowing themselves to get into it

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because their son likes it or their
daughter likes it, even if they would

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never get into it left to their
own devices. I mean, gain,

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I think about that that that bizarre
wrestling show during one summer that we put

402
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:45.759
on for the moms in a basement. I did the same thing. I

403
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:49.880
had a match against my friend down
the street and underwear in my living room

404
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.119
mom and grandmom, and we just
of course he didn't know how to work,

405
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:56.920
so it just broke down into like
fisticuffs. But yeah, yep,

406
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:03.440
yeah, I mean I was I
was whole Cogan, and I had I

407
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.759
had bought a yellow tank top,
like like that wife beater type of fabric,

408
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.400
you know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, And it was yellow and

409
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.079
I drew on it with with a
with a with a you know, a

410
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:21.519
real strong permanent marker. Um.
And I had yellow shorts I would not

411
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:26.519
wear, you know, underwear or
speedo. But I came in and um,

412
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.279
yeah, we had like we set
up a ring with with beat up

413
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:38.160
mattresses and we put we put yarn
or twine as ring ropes. Oh goodness.

414
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.000
And and the way I d I
dropped the big leg at the end.

415
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.400
I like, you know, I
was scared to to to go up

416
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.319
for the ride, do you know, right, And so I just kind

417
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:59.880
of like lifted my leg and then
just kind of fell backwards i'd exactly.

418
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.640
You mean, it's like all this
time, I'm gonna do it. I'm

419
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:03.960
gonn take a flatback bump right in
the hallway, and then you end up

420
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.559
sliding into send No way, no
way, never, never gonna happen.

421
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:12.440
You go down, but you slide, you don't fall right exactly exactly.

422
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:17.920
It's like a weird it's and it's
even weirder. You know, you might

423
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.000
think that it's cool, but it's
definitely weirder than you even think it is.

424
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:23.839
It's weirder than it feels, and
it's just very disappointing. Remember that

425
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:30.079
during the Starcade nineteen ninety two Sting
versus Vader Cable of King of Cable match

426
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.480
was the first time I remember her
taking notice of wrestling other than it being

427
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.799
something that's on in the background.
She actually stayed and watched the full match,

428
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:44.359
clapped and cheered as real estate Steve
Foreclothes on strip mall developer Vader.

429
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:51.519
Yeah, that's a real friendly match. Yep. Indeed, someone's uh,

430
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.440
someone's uh, I'll fuck it,
forget it. Real estate portfolio was on

431
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:57.640
the line, YEP. I was
gonna what do they what? What?

432
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:06.000
Uh? Mortgage back securities no,
no, it doesn't matter. Sorry,

433
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:10.920
she just stands for Mohammed ben Solmon
I forgotten. There we go. She

434
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.119
did this for Brett Hard versus Yoko
WrestleMania nine as well, which was kind

435
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:18.720
of embarrassing because I had a friend
over to watch fun Memories. With her

436
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.680
deteriorating condition, toward the mid two
thousands, she had spent she had spent

437
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.200
more time lying in bed, much
like Landy Pofo. She had a TV

438
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.839
mounted on the ceiling so that she
could more comfortably watch while lying down.

439
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.519
So yeah, when it's a necessity, I'm okay with it. Of course,

440
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:38.119
when it's a choice. I love
the laps landing character, and the

441
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.640
mention of the TV on the ceiling
makes it even funnier because my mom had

442
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.799
one for years before I knew about
his. If only my mom could have

443
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:51.240
been buried in Ecuador, that would
have completed this ironic loop. Anyway,

444
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:52.759
I want to thank you for delivering
such a great podcast that helps me get

445
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.680
through the rough times. I do
have a special request. Will you please

446
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.440
send me a link to the Death
Toll music or uploaded where I'm a download.

447
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.319
I will gladly pay you for this
if needed. You don't play the

448
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.799
Death Toll music any we don't should
be going. But this was always very

449
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.400
soothing for me. I mean this
is from MP forever ago. I better

450
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.000
fucking me playing. Um that's a
TJ thing. Well, no, I

451
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:20.200
no Death Told music. We didn't
do doing TNH, so that's probably what

452
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.559
we did for the beginning. Yeah, I don't know, because Scott Hall

453
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:29.359
and uh and uh what's your butt
from? You know the suicide Girl?

454
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.599
Oh? Literally, yeah, Daphne, Yeah, yeah, expecting that I

455
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:37.839
may need to be soothed soon as
I have an aunt with lymphoma and an

456
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:44.200
uncle Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah, I'll say my family is getting jobbed

457
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.079
out due to health and old age. It could be so kind to send

458
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.680
me the Death Toll music. I
would have to listen. I would have

459
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.839
it to listen to and feel soothed
anytime I need. Take care, guys,

460
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.400
and don't get rolled up from behind. Brother? Why do you say

461
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:00.519
that? Why would you say that? Bro? Is that all like a

462
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.160
big set up dude just to deliver? Are you got a blindside me?

463
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.079
Brother? You know, dude,
we're always getting cheap shot about one of

464
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:12.319
our so called friends. Brother exactly
that's what he needs to keep in mind.

465
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.079
Dude. Well, Ryan, I'm
sorry to hear that you had some

466
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:16.839
challenges. Man. That's that's tough. But you know, all we can

467
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:22.680
do is keep casting and hopefully the
availability of the podcast helps in some small

468
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.720
way. That's what we can offer. Caleb Hughes, thank you, Damien

469
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.599
Thorne, thank you. Ryan Grandick
and Paul Barrett and Justin Schiller and teenkicksource

470
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:37.000
dot com and Heath Harshman and Christopher
Reader and Colin Harris and Cole who bumped

471
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:42.400
his pledge up faster than Chuck and
Bobby Dylan and Jimmy McKenna. Sounds like,

472
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:49.599
sounds like an indictment out of Charlestown. Drew Jones and Andrew Trudeau and

473
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:54.319
Dicky Bird my Bunny, Dickey Bird
down mccannon. Dicky Bird hangs out a

474
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.920
lot on the student absolutely, Dicky
Bird. If you always outside the convenience

475
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:01.720
door, it was always outside.
He's he's always, yeah, he's.

476
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:07.720
He likes, he likes to loiter
outside the comedian store. Michael rallipart looking

477
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.719
motherfucker. Yeah yeah yeah, and
he always hangs around sullies that between between

478
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.840
twelve and three Gavin Schubert, Thanks
Jimbo. We appreciated Matthew of Madison.

479
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.079
To be clear, we appreciate the
support Damien Ross and Matt Muzzy and Michael

480
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:28.599
Thornton and Wes Odam and David Damn
Bois. We appreciate all the um all

481
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.679
the support, all the votes of
confidence and all the all the financial help.

482
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.559
Here, Tim writes from Texas,
He's just discovering the lamentable tragedy.

483
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:42.800
Always a joining some people find our
journeys in the catalog. Yes. Also

484
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.480
the sad song playing the video with
David's death, he says, was Willie

485
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.559
Nelson's Angel flying too close, too
close to the ground. This must have

486
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.880
been something we wondered during the course
of the limitable tragedy. What that song

487
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.679
was, I would imagine. Yeah. He also says Glenn Goza did some

488
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:58.920
commentary with Mark Laurance on Championship Sports
that Oh my god, one match I

489
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.599
recently saw was Chris Adams versus Michael
Hayes. He says, I'm actually sitting

490
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:07.760
second row ringside behind Mark Laurance on
that night and whoa and many Monday nights

491
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.360
from eighty three to eighty six.
Tim where the fuck were you when we

492
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.639
were doing I know you could have
been our Brian in the impact zone.

493
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.519
Holy shit, that's what I need
to know. I need to know what

494
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.800
it was like in the sportitorium.
An idea lapsed X what about Yeah,

495
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:30.920
you know our journeys and people who
actually subsequently discovered that had a firsthand accounting

496
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.679
of all that happened in that area, in that era or during that story

497
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.239
that we didn't know at the time. M m. In fact, he

498
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.239
says they were eight in my family
that went every Monday. We stopped going

499
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.239
because the price is in eighty six
went from eight dollars per ticket to twelve

500
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.480
dollars per ticket. Look at that. I agree. I forgot that Fritz

501
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.679
did actually wrestling again Stasiac in nineteen
eighty. That must have been a subject

502
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:54.119
of some His matches were tag teams
with the Boys and Brody thinks again.

503
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.639
I will add more if I can
remember, well, Tim, Sorry it

504
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.960
took so long to get around to
it, but fascinated, yes by your

505
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.320
experience, Yes, Matthew Moreno,
thank you, Chris Stoh, we appreciate

506
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.360
it. Robbie Coleman and Jesse and
George McAllister and Murdo Mackenzie. God damn,

507
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:14.440
it's raining around here. Dennis is
not sure if the one K club

508
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.159
still exists, but looks like I
cracked it a little while back, despite

509
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:19.920
clinging onto PayPal only for a while. Just glad to be there, even

510
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.599
though I'm certain even further behind the
great lubinaries of TLF. Well, Dennis,

511
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.039
that is true. But man,
I'm so glad you said that.

512
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:30.000
Yeah, because you know, if
you want to talk about the true elite,

513
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:30.960
if you want to slice it,
I mean, the Moat folks are

514
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:37.000
on a fucking they're in the fast
lane, yes to this level of elite

515
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:44.159
pledge. But yeah, please do
know that that we do keep very close

516
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.159
attention and keep very near and dear
to our hearts. Those who on Patreon

517
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.880
have pledged over a grand to the
castor over its lifetime. And as Dennis

518
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:53.599
points out, and it's a good
point, you know, there are so

519
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:59.039
many ways of supporting the cast beyond
Patreon, like the PayPal donations, like

520
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.199
all the other things that folks do
for us that you know, it's hard

521
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.880
to make a total financial picture.
We just we don't. It'd be way

522
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.719
too hard to add up everything.
Oh, absolutely. Oh, we do

523
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.519
appreciate every dollar at the same time, so we're sort of we're sort of

524
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.800
a slave to the Patreon record keeping
than people who give that way and in

525
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.519
that arena fighting out of the blue
corner. I think we both know who's

526
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.440
still leading the league there. The
gap is still significant. Tom At to

527
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:29.760
Nacio, Yeah, um, you
wish you had a podcast listener like him.

528
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:31.760
If you have a podcast, you
also wish you had a podcast listener

529
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:37.199
like him if you don't have a
podcasts. True the support the I mean,

530
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.800
you talk about a ride or die, motherfucker. You talk about someone

531
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.960
who's just like there, He's there, it's simple. Yeah, it's amazing.

532
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:46.960
He's blown my mind over the years, and I'm sure he's even more

533
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.840
blown your mind. Oh totally.
This guy just comes out of the sky

534
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.400
and is like, let's let's fucking
go. How can I help? What's

535
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:59.880
what's going to take? It's an
amazing thing. Mike Hornecker coming up the

536
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.360
year as close as anybody, and
we appreciate so many years of support from

537
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:06.599
Mike, who's who's kind of a
low key guy. I can't say I

538
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:07.400
can play a face to the name, which I kind of like that.

539
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:13.599
Yea, Pedro Rios also up there, that's the real Golden Triangle because there's

540
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.360
there. Of course there's a number
four, but there's a significant distance,

541
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.119
so Pedro, Mike and Tom we
appreciate it very very much. We've got

542
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:24.519
our four horsemen here coming into view, Paul Ford and Brian Blake and Jim

543
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.719
Rocco and Danny Nkoivu and Dominic Herrera
and Robert Holtzammer and Mark Daper and Brandon

544
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.800
from New Jersey and Halt Coogan and
Joshua Marberry and Brian Hinz and Harry Coca

545
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.400
Ronas and will Winthrop and Real Gus
Plinsky, Mark Wilson and Lewis Perez and

546
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.960
Rob Doherty and Alistair and Pete Cozy
and the King of Homestyle, Tom Bower,

547
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.679
Joe Ward Laurn, Mason, Gerard
Martin, David Nichol, Ryan Ball,

548
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.599
Arnaldi, Evil robot Zach Marcus Class
and Peter j Panico, Sam Fairbanks,

549
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.519
Kevin Mills, Christian Bower, Sox
Lester McCoy, Joshua Gibson, Jeff

550
00:38:54.599 --> 00:39:00.519
Jewett, Mike Chespil, Chris Mains
and Indy Yellenich and Arpian Polo Dog and

551
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.039
Tom and Denis Owens. There he
is. You made it, my friend,

552
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:07.199
You're in Blake Downing, Curtis Anderson, Paul the Saints, Fan Graham,

553
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:13.440
James the Real Paul Graham, Superstar
Poly Graham Brother, James Riley and

554
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.480
Richard and James Irwin. He's just
so fucking guys, so solid, Zach

555
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.199
Medris who we saw in Boston,
Sammy Conduit, Sean McGear, Stephen Cole

556
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:27.719
and Brad and Dustin Buchanan and Lucky
Lagucci and Brendan Moe and Max Vatovsky who

557
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.840
he spent so much time with in
La Brett Contour, Carl from Saint Louis,

558
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.679
Christopher Creva who he's on Boston,
Jonas Oldison, Mark Chalmers, David

559
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.320
Camin, Esther hard Way, Butt
Juice, Brian Bulliu, Abe Letier,

560
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:44.559
Max Warrell and Scott, Michael Ferry
and Robert Hodge and Daniel and Intern Matt

561
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:49.960
and Matthew Finney who's rock solid,
Matthew McIntyre and Cody foot Fag and Christopher

562
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:53.079
Anastasia and Monty Davis Junior and Dominic
and Andrew Binder and Dan Noble and Steve

563
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:58.440
Gotchkov and Michael Taylor and Jonathan Austin
and Jared Murray and Rob Wilson and the

564
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.920
Cutman and Marty Longhurst and Simon Andrew
malt and Martin Ferguson and Joe and Eric

565
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:06.760
Prater and Justin Chambers who can forget
Stephen Laird Hall of Fame member of the

566
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:12.239
Solar System, Jordan Grinly, Christopher
Craig, Andy toff Arion, Mitch Gee

567
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.199
and and Nick Williams who he saw
at the Survivor series, and Alan McGuire

568
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:21.760
and James Baltazar and Mike Poolin and
George Otto and Mac and bj Lalande and

569
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.280
Brian Roberts and cold Stone, Steve
Austin, our boy, Brian Steve King

570
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:30.159
and Matt J. H the rock
solid out there in the Solar System and

571
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.360
Logan Wilgis, who just recently became
an even one grand lifetime That's where he

572
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:40.679
cut off. Is that enough for
you, motherfuckers? Fucking nuts Raveyard Entertainment

573
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:45.280
Welcome in scott Arnold. We appreciate
the vote of confidence all the way up

574
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.599
to the moat tier. Christian Hollister, who has give given for so long

575
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.400
that he's he should almost be an
honorary one K Club member. I don't

576
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.400
even know if I said his name. I was going so fast there,

577
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.079
but man, he's he's a listener
you want to have in your corner.

578
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:05.840
Mark Henry, thank you, Johnny
Moore, thank you. Give us more,

579
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:10.199
Ben Brown, thank you. And
Martin Fryer thank you. And Ali

580
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:16.840
thank you, and and d Ethan
Fode thank you. Paul P writes,

581
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.679
finally, no longer a free loader. That's all he has to say.

582
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:25.840
That's how we that's how he came
here to feel, and that's how he

583
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:30.199
feels. Um, I'm gonna keep
going. I don't give a fuck.

584
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.360
Yeah, do it. These people
deserve it. These people are what make

585
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:39.079
podcasting an actual thing instead of just
sitting around with our dick in their hands.

586
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:45.039
So, yes, Dennis, the
one K Club does exist. Yes,

587
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.480
what is it? The New York
Sun Um, Santa Claus Letter,

588
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.679
Ryan Baron, jer and Owen Charney, long times a border, Cody Davis,

589
00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.559
We appreciate it very much. Thanks
for your pledge to the lapsed man

590
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:07.079
on Patreon. Faster than Chuck wants
us to remember this, I'm listening to

591
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.440
TNH in real time while I take
the lamentable tragedy journey for the first time.

592
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:13.559
Oof. I grew up in Texas. No idea of the depths of

593
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.039
Fritz's depravitying is fucked up upbringing,
so just oof, truly depressing, but

594
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:20.119
our Coachair has turned it into fucking
gold. No surprise there. Well,

595
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.039
I just got to the random bid
in which Lapped Vans tries to pay Shawn

596
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:28.639
Michaels fifteen million dollars to return in
a match against Daniel Bryant at WrestleMania.

597
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:34.280
The match do you remember this would
consist of Shawn Michaels, Yes, missing

598
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.039
a moon salt from the top to
the outside, getting right back up,

599
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:43.039
climbing the ropes, missing a shooting
star press from the top to the outside.

600
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:47.760
At this point, Daniel Bryan is
just inside the ring watching, missing

601
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.639
a diving head butt from the top
to the outside, getting right back up,

602
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:54.320
climbing the ropes. Then Daniel Bryan
removing the mat outside the ring to

603
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:59.239
expose the concrete, and then Sean
missing a swanton bomb from the top to

604
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.960
the outs. I don't see the
problem. I've listened to it at least

605
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:07.079
sixteen times. That's entertainment, and
I'm cackling like a witch sucking the nitrous

606
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.000
out of ready whips. It's so
fucking funny. That's right, Chuck,

607
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.599
You're goddamn right it is. I
forgot all about that, man. That's

608
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.159
good. That's the kind of stuff
we need to re emerge with. Laps

609
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:21.159
decks. Man, find those little
moments that made you laugh and that you're

610
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:24.119
pretty sure didn't make anybody else laugh. Ye yes, Connor Lyons, Casey

611
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:32.559
Lovane and Udra I'm gonna try this
one. Balas subrum hold on, Balas

612
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:37.400
subernominum. Thank you very much for
the vote of confidence. We'll take the

613
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.719
fucking tribute. Casey Trowbridge, thank
you very much for your long time support

614
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:47.639
and recently bumping up the denomination of
said support. Daniel Devine, Andrew Johnston,

615
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:55.480
Azazagoul, Corey Pritchett, Kevin Grimwood, coming hard, coming strong over

616
00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:00.440
on PayPal. Andrew Baldazan drops another
bit of tip BACKPA. He writes,

617
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:05.599
lamentable tragedy WCCW. That's the spirit
when you realize the value of that shelf

618
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.599
life. Corey Barnett, thanks very
much. We need residuals, that's what

619
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:12.920
we need. Look at Andrew coming
in strong, so just fuck this.

620
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.800
I know fifty dollars gives me the
maximum benefit. I'm gonna come in with

621
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:17.400
a seventy two dollars pledge out of
the gate, Like, what the fuck?

622
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.760
That's awesome. Thank you. Evan
Grnado and Jake Desborough and Luke Bradshaw

623
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:28.280
and Henry Roth and Sean van de
Velde and Damian A. Thorn. Again,

624
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:30.039
we appreciate it. Folks come in
and out, so sometimes forgive us.

625
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.679
We'll say name more than once.
Martin Fryer, appreciate the increased pledge.

626
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.239
Chris Zouka and Justin Harman and Richard
Garcia, doctor Lariot and going up

627
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:44.199
in pledge. And we have exhibit
B Boss and the aforementioned trend of chat

628
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.960
GPT being put to use. Oh
boy, this one is from Dylan and

629
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:53.039
the headline the subject line rather Chat
GPT, Hart and McMahon reunion. I'm

630
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:58.599
boy, Hey, lads, I
was listening to twenty episodes of a Little

631
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:00.840
while back, and during it,
Boss, I was trying to remind you

632
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.280
of a scenario you'd both made up
for when Heart returned to the we.

633
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.840
I try to remember as much detail
as I could and punch it into chat

634
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.280
GPT. I also know this is
very bad taste. Also, for some

635
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:20.400
reason, it's formatted like a news
article. All important provisos Yes. In

636
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:23.000
a sudding turn of events, former
w superstar Breadth the Hitman Heart made a

637
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:28.119
triumphant return to the w w E
for the first time since the infamous Montreal

638
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.760
Screwjob. Fans were shocked and thrilled
to see the legendary wrestler back in action,

639
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:36.760
but little did they know that Vince
McMahon had something up his sleeve.

640
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.599
During Heart's first match back with the
company, McMahon somehow convinced Hart to allow

641
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:45.599
his opponent to put him in his
signature move, the sharpshooter. As the

642
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.719
hold was being applied, Heart suddenly
felt a sense of deja vu and realized

643
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.039
what was happening. In that moment, as he thought to himself, I

644
00:45:53.079 --> 00:46:05.400
can't believe this is happening again,
a skeleton dressed in a blue blazer on

645
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:09.519
the rafters and landed on the mat
with a sickening thud, mcmahonon me.

646
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:16.480
McMahon immediately screamed for the referee to
ring the fucking bell and the match was

647
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:21.599
over. The stunned hudience was left
wondering what had just happened, and Hard

648
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.599
himself was left in shock at the
bizarre turn of events. In the aftermath,

649
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:37.679
mcmandon yes, Yes. In the
aftermath, McMahon denied any involvement in

650
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:42.000
the Blue Blazers untimely demise, claiming
that it was just a tragic accident.

651
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.159
Yeah, I didn't explain holding onto
the body. What you know that this

652
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.400
was? You know, I I
certainly did not have any involvement with it.

653
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:57.400
I was I was ringside, So
I certainly couldn't have anything to do

654
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:02.920
with the fact that someone fell or
something fell from you know, a multiple

655
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:14.719
story architectural triumph. So what architectural
triumph? Perhaps he should revisit this.

656
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.480
Bruno was a man. He used
to sit on a can when he went

657
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:23.199
to the restaurant. He decided he
would flaunt. He also decided he would

658
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:28.559
flaun. He did so, I
guess evinced. The long and short of

659
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.400
it is, insofar as you're concerned, whenever something falls from the ceiling going

660
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:37.159
one of your events, it's nothing
you could have reasonably prevented, and nothing

661
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:44.599
a curve reasonably or unreasonably prevented that. Notwithstanding, thank you, but many

662
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.440
fans were skeptical, believing that the
w B chairman had orchestrated the whole thing

663
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:52.440
as some kind of twisted revenge plot
against Heart. Despite the chaos and confusion,

664
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:58.639
one thing was clear, Bret Hart
had finally returned the WWE and whether

665
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:08.119
he like Oh my God. Despite
the chaos and confusion, one thing was

666
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:12.719
clear. Bret Hart had finally returned
to the dipping of Ue, and whether

667
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.760
he liked it or not, he
was once again at the center of the

668
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:23.480
wrestling world's most outrageous storyline. Can
you imagine AI pumping that out? Something

669
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.119
we couldn't even imagine existing when we
first did a bit? Oh? I

670
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:30.039
know, how about this one?
This is from Greg Conley, a wonderful

671
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.079
member of the Solar System, who's
fighting in the legal arena for your rights

672
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:36.679
in mine, and who just did
us a great kindness to be with some

673
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.199
court records. M hmm, Hey, lads, I was listening to one

674
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:44.320
of your episodes a little while back, and during it, Boss Man was

675
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:51.440
trying to remind who of a scenario
you'd both copy and paste copy of new

676
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:53.239
Oh wait here it is. Oh
no, that's the same thing. Nope,

677
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.719
Nope, it's the same one repeated, Oh wait, no, there's

678
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.880
a house show thing here. How
did I that's the one? Yeah,

679
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:02.719
there's a little delineation line there right, Oh there it is. I see

680
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.719
you. I asked chat GPT to
book a nineteen ninety three WWE house show,

681
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.639
then asked it to write a local
newspaper article about the show that has

682
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:16.519
been heavily tampered with by an editor
who hates professional wrestling and thinks it's not

683
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:27.840
only fraudulent but also criminal. Do
I read it as what? Do I

684
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.480
read it straight? Or do I
read it as the editor? I think

685
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:35.639
you read it straight? Okay,
Local Newspaper, July twenty seven, nineteen

686
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:39.599
ninety three. Let's fucking go with
the headline. It's my fucking By the

687
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:44.960
way, that's my favorite paper ever. I love reading local newspaper. It's

688
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.199
a great fucking tell. They get, they get the real facts. Institution

689
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:57.840
WWE show in Worcester and m M
w W E show in Worcester a night

690
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:05.440
of deceit and disappointment correct by a
staff writer. Yeah, Worcester, Massachusetts.

691
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:10.199
The World of sing Entertainment brought its
house its quote unquote house show shows.

692
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:16.159
It quotes to the Worcester Centrum on
Saturday night. But what the fans

693
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:22.920
got so was was far from the
action packed, hard hitting spectacle. They

694
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:30.920
were promised, what a lead,
What a lead by the lab stead there

695
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:36.400
he's dangerous with this kind of technology. Man, forget about it. Oh

696
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.519
you won't we write your lead?
Will I'll do it. I'll do it.

697
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.920
I don't need you know what,
I don't need a human brain,

698
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:47.440
I got ah, that's right.
Do ever I fucking want pick up a

699
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:51.559
hot cup of coffee and throw it
in the rapporter's stace. Stupid bitch,

700
00:50:51.880 --> 00:51:00.679
you you fucking count st Hi,
you're fired. Yes, suck my cock,

701
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:05.320
motherfucker. Okay, an editor of
a newspaper, major Metro daily.

702
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.760
Who doesn't you know they all have
shouting fits. It's part of the job.

703
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.679
Their sleeves are rolled up, they're
playing the role there. They smoke

704
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:16.599
cigarettes and on. But he I
don't forget what he said. I mean,

705
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.360
I know he said the C word, and then he said, what

706
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:30.000
suck my cock? Motherfucker? He
said, he tells the reporter he fire

707
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:36.000
suck my cock at the top of
his lungs in the newsroom. I mean,

708
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:38.559
come on, folk, I challenge
all of you in this fucking news

709
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:45.559
room to suck my cock. That's
the wonderful guy to work for. What

710
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.840
else did he have this room?
What else did he have this writer say

711
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:53.039
about the show? The matches were
nothing more than a display of bad acting,

712
00:51:53.159 --> 00:52:01.199
fake injuries, and cheesey catchphrases.
The crowd up, I'm trying to

713
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:06.199
do this like without laughing. But
the crowd made up of children and a

714
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:15.320
l The crowd made up of children
and adults who should have known better,

715
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:22.079
cheered and jeered, cheered and jeered
on Q as the so called quote superstars

716
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:28.119
unquote engaged in a scripted dance that
was as predictable as it was insulting to

717
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:32.000
the intelligence of any thinking person.
So played it straight. Just the facts

718
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:37.800
here from this guy. We spoke
to some of the wrestler's backstage after the

719
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.920
show, and even they seemed to
be aware of the shortcoming from their chosen

720
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:55.840
profession. This is a little oh
my god. Oh Bret the Hitman Harder,

721
00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:00.760
defended is WWE Championship against Yoko Zuna
in the main event, told us

722
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.239
that while he enjoyed performing for the
fans, he recognized that wrestling was not

723
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.639
for everyone. Quote. I know
some people look down on what we do,

724
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:13.679
but for me, it's about putting
on a good show and making people

725
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:17.239
happy. Heart said, but I
understand that not everyone appreciates the artistry and

726
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:22.079
the athleticism that goes into our performances. Sean Michaels, who defeated Crush in

727
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:27.599
a singles match, echoed Heart sentiments. We know that some people think what

728
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.320
we do is fake, but what
But we're out here giving it our all

729
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.920
every night. We love what we
do and we're grateful to the fans who

730
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:40.559
support us. But despite the wrestler's
attempts to defend their craft, it was

731
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:47.039
clear. It was It was clear
to anyone with half a brain that what

732
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:52.840
they were got it. But what
they were witnessing was nothing more than a

733
00:53:52.920 --> 00:54:00.199
cheap invitation of real sports. That's
lost Teditor the butts right. Yes,

734
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:01.960
it's like the quote to tell the
story, so I've got to put the

735
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:07.480
butts in there. Yes. In
conclusion, the WWE House Show and Worcester

736
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.800
was a night of deceit and disappointment, a sad reflection of a society that

737
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:15.519
values spectacle over substance. It is
time for us as a culture to demand

738
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:19.920
more from our entertainers and our athletes. It is time to put an end

739
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:30.039
to this fraudulent insulting, an ultimately
meaningless display of mediocrity. I mean amazing

740
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:37.280
that Let's go, Greg, Oh
my god, that is that is just

741
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:43.800
it's so smooth, that is so
just spectacular. Oh and like you just

742
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.840
picture everyone. Those paragraphs with it
with the Knox are like they were written

743
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:52.760
right straight and without any offense by
the inditial writer. And that's exactly what

744
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:58.519
the editor would do to them.
The sentences. Unbelievable, man, that

745
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:05.039
a machine can spit that out.
Matt Corkrane, Mike Piva, Andy Brandon

746
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.679
Kaiser, like we said a moat
to your motherfucker, Vin Thor the Hurdler

747
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:13.199
and Josh Godare and Hope I'm pronouncing
that right, and Dave Skilton and Nima

748
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.920
McCamy, which who is wonderful to
meet out in LA when we did the

749
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.519
show of the WrestleMania Mike Pooling again
in the Sauce, Joseph Alpaugh and Mark

750
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:25.079
Sweeney and Dan Haggerty and Mark mood
El Mardie and doctor Whiz Pip. I

751
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:29.519
don't know much more than that.
Corey Hulbert. Thank you very much as

752
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.519
well for your support of that fucking
cast. Over on Patreon, Jeff Ross

753
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.039
writes to us, I want the
Solar system to know how this cast makes

754
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:40.119
it impossible to watch. Everybody loves
Raymond. Number one JP's mom calling Rayca

755
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:45.039
Ramon Raymond barone. Yes. Number
two JP calling Billy Kidman Ray Romano.

756
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.199
Ah, and this is good,
this fun, It is beautiful. Number

757
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:58.880
three an old episode where the coach
here is joke about the idea of ray

758
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:02.039
Barone being the report order forced to
cover wrestling the night that Owenard died and

759
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:08.760
in thinking it was all part of
the act. Oh my god, picture,

760
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:13.599
great episode, Oh my god.
And the hilarity is that he's just

761
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:17.920
so completely insensitive to the real grief
going on around him because he just he

762
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:22.960
almost naively like believes it can't possibly
have really happened. It can't have happened,

763
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:27.719
and he's totally failing in its professional
responsibility. Who both the facts.

764
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.159
I mean, I could think the
real episode and I can totally say that

765
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:36.840
happening. Jordan's Scapechi and Jerome Custin
and Kaipo Puno who out in Hawaii.

766
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:38.400
We love to hear from Kaipo every
now and then. South Turk. Thank

767
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.440
you very much for going all the
way up to the moat tier level.

768
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:45.760
Timothy Weiss and Paul the Saints Fan
and Kelly and Logan Henry and Patrick Voisberger

769
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:52.800
and dav and Stephen Murray and Chris
Jones and Chuck Piacio went all the way

770
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.519
up at one point in time to
the moat tier. Thank you very much

771
00:56:55.519 --> 00:57:00.119
for that. Faster than Chuck wrote
to us a couple of things. Um

772
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:07.599
he wanted us to know about Shano
here. M hmm, I don't know.

773
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.920
Channa here come up during a movie
reference and turn. Remember we talked

774
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:19.280
about here comes comes up often enough
because I'm always enjoying hearing me the stories.

775
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:21.800
And I've told the story several times
about how he thought to throw me

776
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.800
into the Charles River Love that signing
autographs. I knew the APA was going

777
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:27.920
to do a run in on a
boat because they had done it in another

778
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:30.119
town before this one. This is
in two thousand and one, during the

779
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:32.400
invasion Angle And I said, Sean, aren't you afraid that the APA is

780
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:36.519
going to show up and run you
out of here? And he looks at

781
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:37.199
me, goes, you want going
to throw you in the river man,

782
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:44.000
and I go no, and that's
the end of that. He's just staring

783
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.159
at him with the blank stare you
know me? And then the next time

784
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:50.159
I saw him, he was running
around looking to kill somebody because he showed

785
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.000
up to an MMA show at Mohegan's
Son that got shut down before the first

786
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:55.400
fight happened because too many fighters couldn't
pass the physical to put enough doubts before

787
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:59.280
the public, and he was looking
to kill someone to get his downside.

788
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.119
I was with the craziest fucking night
man so faster than Shock, writes to

789
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:07.920
us about shano Here the following So
I really wanted to tell the story to

790
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.960
night but I was amidst a long
drive home. In nineteen ninety eight,

791
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:14.119
shadow Here was an up and coming
kickboxer and tough man competitor in Hilton Head

792
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:17.639
Island, South Carolina, and I
banged his ex girlfriend with whom he was

793
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:22.840
pre believe obsessed creepy because he was
twenty seven at the time, she was

794
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:24.159
eighteen. I two was eighteen.
So when he showed up to a cluster

795
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:27.880
of outdoor bars called the Triangle to
confront her and pummel me to oblivion.

796
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:29.840
I should have been scared, but
I wouldn't even have the chance to get

797
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:31.280
scared. You see, little did
he know that working the door at the

798
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:35.239
bar of his ex girlfriend and I
were inside with our fake IDs, was

799
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.519
the owner of that bar at toughest
nails five nine bowling ball of a country

800
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.239
boy, actually a sweetheart of a
guy who I'm friends with this day.

801
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:44.519
While the shantan bomb tried to blow
right past him without showing his ID,

802
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:46.519
so the bouncer and owner stopped him. The bouncer slash owner, oh here,

803
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:49.400
shoved him in the face and said, out of my way, shrimp.

804
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.239
I don't call him shrimp. You
call him shrimp, then you don't

805
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:57.960
have to worry about a guy who
calls you shrimp. The one owner then

806
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:01.360
one punch cold cocked him, fracturing
his orbital moan and permanently retiring him from

807
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:07.239
ever drinking trying again. Upon seeing
this incredibly hilarious knockout, his leggy blonde

808
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:09.280
ex girlfriend and I paid our tab, scadaddled out the back eggit, went

809
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:16.920
back to her apartment and banged again. The end tremendous. You know I

810
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.840
need to hear it Jes rest In
p Shano here by the way. Sean

811
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:24.079
Burnett, thanks very much with the
pledge we appreciated. Eric Ramos, we

812
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:29.119
appreciate all your supporting Thanks very much. Ayachi, thank you very much.

813
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:34.880
Hope we've proven worthy of the pledge. A Travis rev deadly pudding, got

814
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.599
that right, but the cash on
the table. Appreciate it. Michael Herndon

815
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:43.800
and this this this person up instead
of putting his name into the field,

816
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:47.280
wrote my friend saw y'all at NXT. James looked bored until schism came out,

817
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.840
prompting him to take a shirt off, yelling fuck, yes that's his

818
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:52.960
name. Wow, he didn't see
us at NXT. We didn't go to

819
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:58.679
nxts been a message for somebody else, Adam b. Thank you very much,

820
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:00.719
Justin Wright. Since joining weeks going
that twenty dollars, tier, I

821
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:05.400
will say that TLF has become a
part of everyday life. Lapsed, Vincent

822
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:07.360
Hogan are among my favorites and just
want to say you guys turned around a

823
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.280
horrific breakup from me and got me
through the bad days. Looking forward to

824
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:14.719
you continued injection into my air waves. Thanks vell As, Justin From that

825
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.599
upper Peninsula of the beautiful state of
Michigan. There we go, Jeff Russ.

826
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.840
We appreciate that the increased pledge and
the increased faith in the cast.

827
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:23.559
Thank you very much. Great to
hear from you. Kevin Grimwood, Yes,

828
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:30.119
that's exactly correct. Brian McDaniel,
Jeremy Smola, Darryl Wilkins, Mark

829
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:35.159
Gillenwater, Damien Thorne, Moucorp,
John Francis Shall, I continue, Marcus

830
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:38.480
Crouch, Jake Desborough, Pete mctaggar. They're coming back, They're not staying

831
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:42.719
away. Daniel James Dunn and Paul
the Sames fan who comes in stronger and

832
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.599
harder than ever. Nick Assapoff and
Dark Knight dev and Niaz Kala who just

833
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:50.119
comes in and out of our lives
for years now. David's style going up

834
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:53.199
to Motier member Cliff doing the same
thing, annoyed by everything, not annoyed

835
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:55.760
enough by us to keep the money
in his wallet. Thank you very much.

836
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:01.639
Patrick Logue, Alex mcgaar and Ryan
McCormick, Oliver Suggett and Sam Gaffshack

837
01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:07.559
and Allie and Molly and Zach and
Scott Direnzo, Leslie Todd, Harry Double

838
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:14.400
Jimmy McKenna, Barry Fitzpatrick. We're
talking about Jason, We're talking about Luke,

839
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.400
We're talking about you. Yeah,
I'm talking Martin Rosinski. Yeah,

840
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:22.760
I'm talking Stephen Jollie. Yes,
I'm talking Chris Carter and E sc and

841
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:30.159
Shao Hung gioe and Bryce Bartwo and
Jay Clark. Let me get a fucking

842
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:34.960
breath here. It's all real,
folks. We wouldn't spend the time if

843
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.519
it was fake. It wouldn't possibly
be worth it. It's hardly worth it

844
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:44.320
when it's not fake. Nico Jack, Tracy, Jeric DeRosier, Dylan Smith,

845
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:49.760
Cameron Stevens all coming strong, coming
hard, and not wearing a condom.

846
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:53.280
Lyrics Anonymous writes to us Ola co
Chairs all praise to the new war

847
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:58.360
Lorder. This is your longtime close
personal friend. Lyrics Anonymous just wanted to

848
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:00.880
tell you how much I enjoyed that
cast in I asked. Last night,

849
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:02.719
I brought my wife and she finally
got to witness the shame and pain we

850
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:06.360
all endure. She thought it was
hilarious, as I always keep her up

851
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.000
to date on the happenings, so
she felt she had a good grasp on

852
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:12.199
the inside. Jokes. She was
very impressed with your impressions. Boss.

853
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:14.920
Not only did we think the show
was great, but we also think you

854
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.639
two personally resemble that remark. One
last thing, who do you JP think

855
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:21.559
would win this Survivor series match?
Only Anderson, Jeff Hardy, Bruce Hart

856
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:24.760
and Irs managed by Brother Love versus
Raven, the Young Bucks and Jerry Lawler

857
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:34.760
in a Santa suit with a coke
managed by Doc Hendricks. Yeah, the

858
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.280
fans. The fans. I guess
he saw us in La So we appreciate

859
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:42.039
it. Man, glad to enjoy
the show. John Conway, thank you

860
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:45.280
very much. Yeah, this is
definitely now I'm looking at it. Feedback

861
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.960
coming off the Mania show that we
did in Los Angeles, Nina Nima Pardon

862
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:51.559
writes to us, just wanted to
say how dope it was to see the

863
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:54.000
coachairs there doing their thing last night. Felt honored to meet both of you

864
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:57.639
and shake your hand after all these
years listening to that cast, Nima,

865
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:00.159
the feeling is extremely mutual. What
an day that was. Looking back up

866
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:05.280
that was, God is crazy.
It almost doesn't feel like it happened.

867
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:09.159
Yeah, like it was so because
we hit this known after that Cody match

868
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:12.760
ended. We were just like,
so, yeah, we just we and

869
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:17.000
we we just fucking left. The
moment was run. Yeah, yeah,

870
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:22.320
the moment that that the three count
was registered, we didn't even fucking stand

871
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:23.199
around. We were like, get
out and scot out of here. On

872
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:28.800
the move. Brandon Tillotson and Chris
Beard Sell and Miguel out of Going and

873
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:31.880
Tim l and Cody Liptach and Andrew
Chapman and Daniel Hawes and Joseph Russo and

874
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:37.440
Glenn Harris, Danny Poolman, Tom
valand Martin Fryer, Andrew Heckt, nin

875
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:43.559
Dalton Hastings going up strong in terms
of how much he's putting in front of

876
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:45.199
us. We appreciate it. Pat
here he goes. He writes, I've

877
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:47.360
been listening to older episodes in the
last few years, and I keep hearing

878
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:51.400
about under the cinemat. I will
admit I've never been a movie person.

879
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:52.559
A lot of movies bore the hell
out of me. But hearing the coach

880
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.719
here is deep guyve wrestling mixed with
cinema. I can dig that creative.

881
01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:01.320
I've remember I've always wondered that I
that's something I can't fathom. Yeah,

882
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.559
it's like I'm kind of indifferent about
music, and people are like, how,

883
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:08.760
I mean, yeah, I like
music, but I don't. I

884
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.320
don't need music in my life.
I feel like, yeah, but maybe

885
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.320
that's because I have something wrong with
me. I don't know. I mean,

886
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:16.679
it's just a weird thing to me, like the the I mean,

887
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:25.280
yeah, it's it's so I I
mean, I'm not there's nothing whatever,

888
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:30.039
but like, I just can't fathom
that. I just cannot fathom the idea

889
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:35.480
of movies boring someone. Yeah,
you know, like sometimes it requires too

890
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:39.400
much attention to follow a plot.
I think that's what kills me. Yes,

891
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:42.360
it's like, you know, really
like I already don't know what's happening.

892
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.280
I missed some subtle remark that explains
the whole fucking thing. Yeah,

893
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.239
yeah, I mean that makes sense. I suppose I can say that I

894
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:51.280
really like watching movies with subtitles,
even if it's in English, for that

895
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:57.719
very reason, because you know,
my kid has been doing that. Yeah,

896
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.280
and I used to piss the hell
out of me, but now I

897
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:05.039
kind of need it because I like
read shit that I was like, oh

898
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:10.000
my god, that's what they said. Movies that I've movies that I fucking

899
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:15.719
heard. I've watched for fucking thirty
years a million times, I'm like,

900
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:20.039
oh shit, exactly, they don't. We hear wrestling lyrics and theme songs,

901
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:23.639
and we tell ourselves for years that
it says he carries a fish dick

902
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:26.239
and the Big Bossman theme. Of
course it doesn't say that, right,

903
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:29.599
right, But until you actually read
what it says, you know, which

904
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.920
is of course the the miracle of
the Internet and just the limitless archive of

905
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.880
lyrics that are out there, we
actually know what it says, which we

906
01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:39.599
ever had the luxury of no one
and we were kids. And it's similar

907
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:42.159
with movies. I remember the movie
Sexy Beasts. Remember that that film?

908
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:44.559
Yeah, I never saw it,
but I know, yeah, I know

909
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.559
what thick, thick, thick British
accents in that movie as I recall,

910
01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:49.239
oh yeah, yep, impenetrable to
my ear at the time. When I

911
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:51.800
went to watch it, I put
the subtitles on. I love the movie.

912
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:56.079
Yes, would have hated the movie
if it wasn't for subtitles, if

913
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.360
it was just on VHS. Would
have hated it because I just would have

914
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:03.960
felt so behind the whole time and
crazy. It really is. IQ wrestler.

915
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:05.800
It's great to have your support,
my friend. We love it.

916
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:10.079
Thank you very much for the pledge
on Patreon, Caesar Deelah, thank you.

917
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:12.880
You know it is funny too.
It is that that accent. The

918
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:16.920
accent is also like whenever I watched
the full Monty, I have to like,

919
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:19.559
it takes me about and I should
watch it now with with subtitles,

920
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:24.760
but it usually takes me about ten
minutes to be able to understand what they're

921
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:28.119
saying. I kind of when you
saw a couple of foreign films and I

922
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:30.079
was like, this is great.
Like yeah, when I when I saw

923
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:33.360
a John Luca Dard movie, which
one is it? Um? Oh?

924
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:41.119
You I know, and I was
like I felt no um disconnection from what

925
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:44.480
was being presented. And that was
that was so key to me because it

926
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.679
was just like it's a miracle,
you know that we can enjoy foreign language

927
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:51.559
films, you know, due to
subtitles on on DVDs. I mean even

928
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:55.480
in the VHS era, you just
you couldn't do it. No, you

929
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.480
couldn't. You couldn't I mean unless
they were yeah, you you couldn't choose

930
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.239
to do it right. You couldn't
expect it right, like that is a

931
01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:06.840
that is a DVD thing, and
now with you know, I have every

932
01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:10.960
question about that. And sometimes,
you know, we'll exchange files for cinement

933
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.000
and stuff, and sometimes the subtitles
will work, and sometimes they won't.

934
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.719
Do you know if the subtitles or
somehow embedded in the metadata of the DVD

935
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:21.920
file, like which ones you're talking
about, I don't know. There's been

936
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:27.320
a handful of movies that I have
no trouble pulling up the subtitles compute or

937
01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:30.920
others I don't. And most of
them, and someone out there might know

938
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.280
why this is, most of them
work in every language besides English, so

939
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:40.360
I'll be able to get Spanish subtitles
or French subtitles. That's fascinating to me

940
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:45.519
that what that tells me is that
somehow the version of this file is one

941
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:49.960
that understands it's it's sold in an
English speaking market, doesn't offer English subtitles.

942
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:53.880
But to me, it's like English
subtitles are always an option alongside.

943
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:57.559
Yeah, for sure, very very
busiessum. Yeah, I don't, I

944
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.440
don't, I don't know. I
don't even think. The only time,

945
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:06.559
the only time that I actually concerned
myself with subtitles is when we've done foreign

946
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:11.360
films, which I think we've only
done Ricky Dozan at this point. Yeah,

947
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:15.079
but I wanted to make sure that
I had them burned into the file

948
01:08:15.319 --> 01:08:20.119
right so that we could watch That's
awesome. Yeah, but what signs that

949
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:27.239
Zach fucked around with chat GPT and
sent us to follow boys us? This

950
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:35.720
is the whole? Is it?
Yeah? Okay, I feel like this

951
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:43.319
is one of those um it sounds
like like one of those old documentaries in

952
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:46.640
the fifties, Lapsed Whole. Cogan, the retired wrestling legend, wakes up

953
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:53.640
every morning with a sense of paranoia. He's convinced that someone, anyone is

954
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:58.560
out to get a visual pinfall on
him by rolling him up. The fear

955
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:03.079
of being caught off guard and losing
a match plagues his thoughts constantly as he

956
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:09.119
goes about his day laps Hulk Hogan
is hyper vigilant, always on the lookout

957
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:15.239
for any mention of the word back
or the phrase roll up in conversations or

958
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:19.159
media. Even the slightest reference to
these triggered words sends him into a state

959
01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:27.279
of alertness, ready to defend himself
against any potential sneak attacks in his interactions

960
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:31.159
with others, laps hulk Hogan Peppers's
dialogue with his trademark phrases. He calls

961
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.600
everyone brother, using it as a
term of endearment, but also as a

962
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:41.439
way to assert his dominance and authority. He uses dude as a casual greeting,

963
01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:45.079
but also as a way to express
frustration or disbelief. However, laps

964
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:50.319
Hulkogan is not just focused on defending
himself from potential attacks. He's also constantly

965
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:55.920
thinking about how to keep himself relevant
and maintain a steady stream of income.

966
01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:01.520
He's constantly brainstorming new ideas and opportunities
to get this thing back on track and

967
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:06.840
dial it in financially. Yes,
He's often seen engaging in various ventures to

968
01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:12.199
stay in the public eye, whether
it's making guest appearances on talk shows,

969
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:16.000
starting his own podcast, or endorsing
products on social media. He's determined to

970
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:21.079
keep his name in brand alive,
leveraging his wrestling persona and fame to generate

971
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:27.960
income and secure his financial future.
Despite his relentless pursuit of relevance and financial

972
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:33.479
security, Lapsed Hulk Hogan also battles
inner demons He's plagued by insecurity and anxiety,

973
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:39.199
worried that he may never be able
to replicate the success he had in

974
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:43.800
his wrestling career. He struggles with
the pressure to maintain his image and legacy

975
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:48.479
while also grappling with the passage of
time and the changing landscape of the entertainment

976
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:58.600
industry. And it gets better,
Oh my god, Lapstulk, Hogan,

977
01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.720
and Knobs made their way to the
beach ready for a day of fun in

978
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:06.800
the sun. Hulk it was constantly
on edge paranoia that someone might attempt a

979
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:12.119
surprise roll up on him, as
he was always trying to keep himself relevant

980
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:19.680
in the rattling world. As they
set up their beach chairs, Hogan scanned

981
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:25.359
the area, always on alert.
He greeted fellow beach goers with his trademark

982
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:29.920
phrase, let me tell you something, brother. He was determined to keep

983
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:34.039
the day on track, and I'm
sure that he remained center of attention.

984
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:39.239
Knobs, ever, the loyal sidekick, offered to make omelets for them,

985
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:47.359
as per Hogan's wait. Knobs,
ever, the loyal sidekick, offered to

986
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:56.600
make omelets for them as per Hogan's
orders. Unbelievable, However, despite Knobs'

987
01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:08.840
best effort, the omelets always taste
the omelets always tasted like disappointment. Hogan

988
01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:13.479
couldn't help but express his frustration,
saying, brother, these omelets are not

989
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:16.279
cutting it. We need to dial
it in and get this thing back on

990
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:20.760
track. As they lounged on the
beach, Hogan's ears perked up when he

991
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:27.359
heard the word back or the phrase
roll up from nearby conversations. He couldn't

992
01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:31.560
help but feel triggered, constantly on
guard for any potential wrestling maneuver aimed at

993
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:35.520
him. Just then, to Hogan's
surprise, they ran into Dixie Carter,

994
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:42.560
a former wrestling executive. Hogan's paranoia
peaked, and he immediately became suspicious of

995
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.760
her intentions. He greeted her with
a cautious tone, Hey, dude,

996
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:49.800
what brings you to the beach.
You're not here to try and get one

997
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:58.920
over on me? Are you can't
go to the beach without the accute to

998
01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:01.239
that by this man? Also,
I picture her in like full pants.

999
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:06.880
Oh yeah, totally exactly. Yes, Oh my god, that is absolutely

1000
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:11.159
amazing. I mean that it can
channel it is like that. It's just

1001
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:15.319
remarkable. Oh, Jeff wants you
to know, it's so cool. We

1002
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:18.640
were talking about Woody Strode. Oh
yeah, he writes, I had no

1003
01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:21.359
idea he was a wrestler as well. It's really a shame that every American

1004
01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:25.960
doesn't know the forgotten for athlete who
broke the color barrier in football Strode,

1005
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:29.920
Kenny Washington, Bill Willis, and
Marion Montley, especially since this happened before

1006
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.279
Jackie Robinson. How popular the sport
is. It's a shame the NFL,

1007
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:34.960
he says, doesn't recognize its history. Pret Super Bowl. There is a

1008
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:38.439
great mural in downtown Can't Ohio,
home of the Hall of Fame, that

1009
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:41.680
honors him. Great work on this, JP. Gold Dust is a great

1010
01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:44.199
read for anyone who likes wrestling,
football, acting, or history. That's

1011
01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:47.960
his book, right, Yeah,
gold Dust goa l Dust. Yes.

1012
01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.279
Plus, I'm sure you saw it
in your research. But apparently Woody and

1013
01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:54.800
Toy Story is named after wood He
Strode. So oh, I didn't know

1014
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:57.079
that. Actually I didn't see I
didn't notice that. That's pretty cool.

1015
01:13:57.119 --> 01:14:00.000
So all toy story movies are coming
soon, he concludes. I guess,

1016
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:01.800
yeah, there we go, shit
toy Story. So that's a great little

1017
01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:05.079
teaser front of the cinemat. Tell
folks about wood He Strode and what we

1018
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:10.680
talked about Oh god, well,
I mean so so we were able to

1019
01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:15.359
do the Ten Commandments around Eastern Passover
because of wood he strode, and uh

1020
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:23.399
yeah, he's he was a great
uh actor, performer, athlete just like

1021
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:28.079
I mean, is a renaissance man
is what he was totally. But what

1022
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:32.600
I really really like, here's a
guy who fucking lived it, man,

1023
01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:40.920
Right, this guy was like like
his book is chuck full of stories about

1024
01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:45.800
what it was like to live in
Los Angeles as a person of color in

1025
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:50.199
the nineteen thirties and just kind of
like he remembers when the La River was

1026
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:53.600
a river, right, right,
he remembers when it was a river,

1027
01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:57.439
Like remember the fucking remember the game, rocks each other's head, rocks to

1028
01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:00.359
each other's head, and you and
you keep playing until some one bleeds and

1029
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.199
then that person that that team loses, like you're throwing rocks across the river

1030
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:12.239
at each other hoping to cut somebody. That's that's playtime. Wow, that's

1031
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:21.159
some rough shit man. And just
his phenomenal career, uh going from uh,

1032
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:25.399
you know, he played American football
and then I don't remember if he

1033
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:27.159
did. I don't think he ever
did the NFL if he did, it

1034
01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:30.159
was very very short. But then
he also did the CFL. But then

1035
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:31.439
you know, like like a lot
of guys did that. He wrestled in

1036
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:39.000
the off seasons and wrestled all over
the place and was very had no idea.

1037
01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:43.159
Yeah, and we fucking uh we
watched the match too that he had

1038
01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:48.000
with Um, with Gorgeous George.
That was really cool, like like he

1039
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:53.319
was, yeah, he's a guy
again. This it's stuff like this that

1040
01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:57.920
I find to be the most valuable
and and he's We're lucky with him.

1041
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:05.039
Um. It's more so the people
who who don't have books, who you

1042
01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:09.800
know, don't have people talking about
them, who we have to kind of

1043
01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:14.680
like, you know, I have
to literally build their biography from news stories

1044
01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:19.039
and shit, and it is it's
it's sometimes there are times where it's literally

1045
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:24.319
been the most rewarding stuff just to
be able to tell somebody's story who's long

1046
01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:27.920
forgotten like this, like the uh, the State Trooper in Halloween two.

1047
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:32.640
That's my favorite one, honestly,
because there's nothing about his wrestling career anywhere.

1048
01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:38.600
I remember he wrote that letter to
h He wrote a letter to the

1049
01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:41.159
thing defending and like it's like that
was a portion of it. It was

1050
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:43.560
like a fifteen page letter, and
I was like, oh my god,

1051
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.359
what I would give. I'm sure
that you know, there's obviously no way

1052
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:54.560
that there's a copy of that anywhere, but man, yeah, so good

1053
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:58.359
old Wye Rode. Yeah what Hetrode
was magic moments in that Cinemat Catalog films.

1054
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:02.000
I'm telling you a lot of fun. Mark Powers to take his word

1055
01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:05.560
for it, not just ours,
Mark Powers. Cipher Allie, we're talking

1056
01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:11.079
cipher All, Sorry, cipher All, Job Burr, Dan Parshley, Lillian

1057
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:15.399
Mattis, Michael McCabe, Faster than
Chuck, Willie Thompson, Fitz Finnigan,

1058
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:19.640
Stephen Jolly, and Matt Dee and
Gavin J. Baxter, all making sure

1059
01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:25.359
that they're doing right by the co
chairs. James says fuck at James Santinelli,

1060
01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:29.159
He writes, my financial manager told
me I should cancel my Patreon memberships

1061
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:30.920
after I admitted that I don't really
listen anymore. I couldn't bear to hear

1062
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:36.319
such blasphemy, My liege, lords, I offer you my eternal tithe Also,

1063
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:40.199
finally, listening to every single under
the Cinemat Wrestling stinks. Give me

1064
01:17:40.199 --> 01:17:45.720
the movie talk well, We've got
you's right, ignore your financial advisor.

1065
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:49.479
Matt Danny, Daniel Beckett, Matthew
Manzella and Adam Tucker. We're talking to

1066
01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:57.640
Chris and Brennan and Anthony de Sanzo
and the one called Clamps under the cinemat.

1067
01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:02.680
We're all about Clamps. Zachary Cole, Ben Buck, Will Harris,

1068
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:08.359
Daniel Divine, Ben Buck bumping the
pledge up again. I love those introductory

1069
01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:12.560
pledges. Within days, they're up
at the premium levels again. Pav Wrestling

1070
01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:15.960
Gifts and Matt Anderson, and Annon
and R and Damian Thorne, Brian Sours,

1071
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:19.359
Kristin Hollister. Always in the soup, Always in the sauce, Timothy

1072
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:25.039
Weiss and Jarrett Says and Nick s
We appreciate it also very much. Here's

1073
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:28.159
a nice just sort of lapsed missive. These are the moments that the podcast

1074
01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:32.039
exists to pass along. Brad writes, simply, Dave Sullivan. I went

1075
01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:35.880
to a comic con in the middle
of nowhere, Nebraska this weekend, towards

1076
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:39.720
the back of the hall, sitting
with nobody besides his handlow around him was

1077
01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:45.119
Dave Sullivan. It was really depressing
and had Virgil vibes. I got excited

1078
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.479
when I saw him and then realized
I'm a fucking idiot and he's a Carney.

1079
01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:51.640
I deserved to feel that way,
almost like a Hi, kup,

1080
01:18:54.640 --> 01:19:00.199
thank you, Brad Daniel, Divine
Belle Winters. Let's fucking go. Let's

1081
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:03.079
keep the kiddie full. Austin rock
Solid, member of the Solar System,

1082
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:09.600
basically forecast what we've been touting for
weeks here on the air LATS LATS lap

1083
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:14.720
Star five Transcription service. This is
a way to search full text of our

1084
01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:18.640
TLF archive by emailing LAPS to dot
scribes at gmail dot com. It can

1085
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:25.000
connect you with Solar System member haystex
Calhoun, who will facilitate access to this

1086
01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:28.600
treasure trove. Austin gets it,
and he got it before he even knew

1087
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.600
LATS existed. He wrote gear CoA
chairs of Colin Carnage, what a year

1088
01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:34.039
it has already been on the fucking
cast. Well, I've written a LAPS

1089
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:36.319
to man at Gmail for a few
things lately. I've not written a main

1090
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:40.960
feed email since my missive last fall, in which I chronicled working my wife

1091
01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:43.640
into listening to six hours of I
Know what you did last summer coverage.

1092
01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:45.840
So buckle up to make it long. First off, I and update my

1093
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:49.199
journey through the Lapst archives. If
you remember long ago I started at episode

1094
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:53.560
one. I mean listening to every
TLF episode in order taking notes along the

1095
01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:56.640
way of classic bits, the first
appearances of LAPS characters, important tropes,

1096
01:19:56.680 --> 01:20:00.079
and generally notable observations. I am
now midway the episode one thirty two,

1097
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:03.640
ten years after the Chris ben Wat
tragedy. The pain is excruciating in this

1098
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:09.560
one. My god, that was
a tough one, I'll say, Jesus.

1099
01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:12.039
My initial plan was to pepper you
with my notes and emails to make

1100
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:14.720
for a recurring bit and mail back
segments. However, quickly became a parent

1101
01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:16.680
in twenty twenty two. They simply
have too much content to bury in our

1102
01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:20.399
asses, so mailback segments became a
seasonal affair. Given the shift in policy,

1103
01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:23.760
I now have far too many notes
to attempt to put in one email.

1104
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:25.560
In fact, I have so many
notes it has led to a much

1105
01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:30.159
larger idea. And that's a funny
thing about notes, isn't it. Yes,

1106
01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:31.600
it is, you see. I
also spent the last year getting involved

1107
01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:34.520
with TLF on Twitter. Before I
left, let a college podcast routinely ruined

1108
01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:36.960
my rectum. I had sworn to
never create a Twitter account, as I

1109
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.920
hated the mail stream of discontent I
observed on the platform. After a while,

1110
01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:43.520
though, engaging the Solar System on
Patreon was simply not enough. I

1111
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:46.079
listened to TLF Brandon Entertainment close to
twenty hours a week it actually could be

1112
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:49.640
more, and needed an outlet to
display my freshly pounded poop shoot. So

1113
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:53.840
reluctantly I created a Twitter account solely
due to my need to engage with other

1114
01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:56.560
Solar System members and stay up to
date with all things lapsed. I bring

1115
01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:59.520
this up because my short time on
Twitter is soon revealed how thoroughly outclassed I

1116
01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.079
am with the true ogs in the
game. I realized the level of institutional

1117
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:05.399
knowledge among the day one Lapsed members
is truly awe inspiring, which got me

1118
01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:09.520
thinking, why doesn't a legitimate lapse
to wookie exist. We've enjoyed an early

1119
01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:13.119
decade of real unation at the hands
of YouTube religion of loyal lapsed listeners,

1120
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:15.560
many of whom are highly talented and
skilled individuals, Yet a complete source of

1121
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:18.039
lapse, truth, to my knowledge, does not exist in one place.

1122
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:21.279
So I'm today throwing down a challenge
to the solar system. This needs to

1123
01:21:21.319 --> 01:21:26.840
exist and he can commit to starting
the effort. He'd also tell us who

1124
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:31.560
also tell us a short story how
describing how I will always remember WrestleMania thirty

1125
01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:34.560
nine. I spent the weekend with
my house to myself, my wife is

1126
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:38.920
conveniently out of town, listening to
the TLF many episodes of the last four

1127
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.520
years, and gearing up for a
fun virtual watch party with my older brother

1128
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:44.640
and two nephews. Last year,
my two nephews, fourteen and twelve,

1129
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:47.319
began a curiosity with WWE. This
was mainly due to Logan Paul deal with

1130
01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:50.760
the reality of that piece of business
working out for WWE, and they would

1131
01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:54.199
each send any clips they'd watched,
ask me questions about how it all quote

1132
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:57.920
unquote worked, and would watch parts
of PL's Everything. However, as it

1133
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:00.600
tends to do with new fans,
shifted with the Royal Rumble. For this

1134
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:02.640
year's Rumble, my younger nephew texted
me he was excited to watch, and

1135
01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:05.680
so we ended up watching the entire
event together on FaceTime. He was hooked

1136
01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:09.199
with the exception of the women's matches. He loved the rumble and was all

1137
01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:12.840
the way on the team for Cody
Rhodes, despite him asking questions about isn't

1138
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:15.479
this fake? Or wait, was
that part real? Love that? So

1139
01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:17.960
the little dude just loved watching athletes
fake to beat the shit out of each

1140
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.199
other. My older nephew joined in
as well, and he quickly became a

1141
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:24.720
die hard Cody fan. I'm sure
they fucking got what they deserved at WrestleMania.

1142
01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:29.279
By the way, boss, Oh, absolutely tell those little don't forget.

1143
01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:34.079
Don't forget kids, it doesn't matter
what you want. By elimination Chamber,

1144
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:36.720
I had both nephews watching with me
virtually and they were completely glued to

1145
01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:40.159
the screen again the exception of the
women's matches. I shit you not,

1146
01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:43.439
one of my nephews even on ironically
exclaimed during the Sami Verse Roman made event,

1147
01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:45.399
bro, I am so entertained right
now, that's a shoot. Father.

1148
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:49.520
My nephews went to spend and maybe
forty six months from tangentially following WW

1149
01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:54.159
to Logan Paul, the weekly watchers
of Ron SmackDown and Avid Cody Rhodes fanboys.

1150
01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:56.680
I cannot count the number of times
they asked to be a caller text

1151
01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:59.720
Cody is going to win at Mania, right? And which night is Cody

1152
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:00.600
fighting Roman? We want to make
sure we can stay up for it.

1153
01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.840
I having got a text from their
father, my oldest brother, telling my

1154
01:23:04.119 --> 01:23:08.159
middle brother and I, your nephews
are in the pool doing w W moves.

1155
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:14.520
WrestleMania weekend finally arrives, ohoy,
and those two kids stayed up both

1156
01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:16.199
nights, watching every match with their
two uncles on FaceTime. They love Night

1157
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:20.239
one and powered through Night two as
each match noticeably raised the levels of anxiety,

1158
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:24.319
anticipation, and excitement in both of
them. They were silent during the

1159
01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:27.600
entrances for Roman and Cody. They
dared not speak over this moment they had

1160
01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:29.800
looked forward to for months. During
the match, they could not be more

1161
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.399
engaged with every move. They were
the perfect balance of nervous and excited,

1162
01:23:32.640 --> 01:23:36.239
exactly as you are when your favorite
team is playing a championship game or match.

1163
01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:40.600
At times they cheered, at times
they looked away, nervous to watch.

1164
01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:45.640
Then Cody started hitting the crossroads and
they started losing their minds. But

1165
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:50.119
then Cody lost. I could literally
feel the ear or drop out of their

1166
01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:55.039
bodies through the iPad screen. They
both hung up with barely a goodbye,

1167
01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:58.319
and sent the following text to my
brother and myself in our group chat.

1168
01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:00.199
Keep in mind they'd been fans a
w to B from for at most six

1169
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:04.760
months. The following is a complete
shoot, older nephew, while my stint

1170
01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:09.640
as a wrestling fan is over.
It was fun, younger nephew. I'm

1171
01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:14.279
never watching anything to do with WWE
again, Older nephew. The company has

1172
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:17.119
gone to crap. I had the
Ta Lef live audio feed from the Comedy

1173
01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:20.520
Chateau to send me home happy,
but my nephew's undoubtedly went to bed pissed

1174
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:24.720
off and unsatisfied that night. The
next night, I refused to turn on

1175
01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:27.920
Rob. I guess who did.
That's right, My older nephew sent me

1176
01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.199
a screenshot of Roman's entrance with the
caption I'm watching raw and already regretting it.

1177
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:34.359
Yeah, I'm watching to see what
Cody's going to do. About ninety

1178
01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:38.359
minutes into the show, I get
the following texts from him, Vince trip

1179
01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:40.960
Lash are going to somehow mess up
the ww draft. I know it,

1180
01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:44.600
and yes, I know I said
i'd never watch again, but I lied.

1181
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:48.960
Both still keep up with what's going
on, but neither watch every minute

1182
01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:51.960
like they did, and I've already
talked about perhaps watching more a W And

1183
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:55.720
that, my friends, is my
story of how w W took appear of

1184
01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:58.800
twelve and fourteen year old brothers,
got them completely invested in the top baby

1185
01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:00.760
face, only to make them both
better lapsed fans like the rest of us

1186
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:06.760
in the span of four months.
Well done, Vince, You've still got

1187
01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:11.760
it until next time. Thank you
for the best five podcasts left main Feed,

1188
01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:15.840
delf Archives, this American work under
the cinemat and Wrestlemammia in the world,

1189
01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:19.399
and thank you for total NonStop Holkamnia
Yours and laps to Austin. Wow.

1190
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:29.640
What do those children learn? That
wrestling is not fun, that wrestling

1191
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:36.359
is not enjoyable, that wrestling will
never be what you wanted to be?

1192
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:40.479
And why is that? Because one
would think, right, you want to

1193
01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:45.359
win the faith and the and the
the expenditure of your clientele. You want

1194
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:50.800
to give them what they want.
Right. No, as wrestling taught us,

1195
01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:56.840
as wrestling taught us that the idea
is actually totally wrong. Absolutely,

1196
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:04.960
it's absolutely lead. You know,
there is a weird, twisted mindset,

1197
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:15.960
yes, in the wrestling world that
that what people cheer for is not what

1198
01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:24.000
they actually want. Yes, bizarre, And you're saying that mentality exists within

1199
01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:30.199
the decision makers. Yes, so
we'll never really get what we want if

1200
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:33.960
we get what we wanted just because
we were thinking like them for a limited

1201
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:42.079
time. That was a bad move
at WrestleMania. Who really was It's a

1202
01:26:42.079 --> 01:26:45.079
bad move. I no business is
phenomenal. I know it's red hot,

1203
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:47.560
and I know the Roman segments have
been blockbusters in terms of the ratings.

1204
01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:50.720
I know it's big. I'm here
to tell you it would have been just

1205
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:55.880
as big if Cody was the champ, except Cody segments would have been bigger.

1206
01:26:55.920 --> 01:26:59.600
Also, perish the thought. The
thought. Also, it's ready to

1207
01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:04.880
wrestle Rock again at summers Lam.
Yeah, guess what those kids who were

1208
01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:09.600
over It's not us wanting Cody to
win, although I thought that was the

1209
01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:12.920
movie they should have made. It's
us knowing that twelve and fourteen year olds

1210
01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:16.479
out there like that we're watching and
for no reason, they didn't get Hogan

1211
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:20.920
beating the Sheik. And it's just
a weird thing too, because it's like

1212
01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:38.000
not only has has Um, you
know, like he's he's the he's got

1213
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:41.680
the honkytok Man run, you know, and much better. I'm not trying

1214
01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:45.640
to compare him to honkytok Man,
but I'm just saying, like he's had

1215
01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:48.119
this epic run. You know,
you gotta know when to pull the trigger

1216
01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:53.079
on it and let it close.
You have to know that you're making him

1217
01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:59.239
such a massive deal that you're gonna
have to just take the opportunity when it

1218
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:02.880
presents itself to move to somebody else, because you're not going to be able

1219
01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:04.960
to force that. You're not going
to be able to just draw a line

1220
01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:08.199
in the sand one day like they
did with Goldberg and just say, all

1221
01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:10.760
right, you're losing tonight, because
eventually you have to lose, and tonight's

1222
01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:13.760
going to be the night, and
we're gonna reverse engineer reasons for it.

1223
01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:16.680
We're going to listen extra hard for
a crowd that didn't cheer you and pretend

1224
01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:20.479
that that's like representative of the whole. We're going to ignore the fact that

1225
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:26.359
every metric indicates that the belt should
still be on this guy. And then

1226
01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:29.319
we saw what happened, and I'm
not suggesting that's what's going to happen to

1227
01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:32.439
WWE because Cody didn't go over at
Mania. I'm just saying, you can't

1228
01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:35.960
hope for a better setup. You
can't. If we can't trust WW to

1229
01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:41.680
strike. When someone presents themselves that
the crowd will accept as sort of worthy

1230
01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:45.840
and ready to defeat Roman reigns,
then we're automatically setting ourselves up for a

1231
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:48.479
moment where whoever does beat him I
think is very very likely to be viewed

1232
01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:54.800
as Ronnie Garman in terms of beating
Wick Flair. Ye, and it'll just

1233
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:56.359
be like, all right, well, on's this going to go back to

1234
01:28:56.439 --> 01:29:00.279
Roman? I I love Jus,
and I think they might give go with

1235
01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:03.119
them instead of Cody beating Roman.
They might do it. You might do

1236
01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:05.880
solo Sokoa. I don't know there
are I'm not saying there aren't options out

1237
01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:10.640
there, but I'm telling you Cody
is the only one that would have felt

1238
01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:14.560
like a graduation. Yes, right, Cody's the one where there would be

1239
01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:17.199
a line in the sand, like
Steve Auston at fourteen, like in some

1240
01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:24.800
ways Brett. You know, at
ten we just mentioned Hogan beating Chic Warrior,

1241
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:27.720
even though that didn't work out so
well. At six, you got

1242
01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:31.079
you don't get many chances to do
these moments and as a wrestling as a

1243
01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:35.439
wrestling company, I feel like if
you don't know how to appreciate those moments

1244
01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:39.159
that you're never going to get back, and by appreciate, I mean take

1245
01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:43.279
advantage of them, then I'm not
really sure that we're supposed to like think

1246
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:47.399
you're awesome, you know, right, It's just it's it's it's security,

1247
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:54.319
blanket bullshit, you know, I
don't know. Brian Hunter, thanks for

1248
01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:56.640
the pledge. Scott Arnold, thanks
for the pledge. John Maggio, we

1249
01:29:56.680 --> 01:30:00.119
love it. Devin Bray, Holy
Mountain and Odie Pop and PDW, Damien

1250
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:03.960
Thorne, Lumpy, Chris Calameda,
Paul Neebe, and Daniel and Cody Hinkle.

1251
01:30:04.520 --> 01:30:11.760
We need to thank also Daniel Divine
and Daniel Moehler for their generous support.

1252
01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:15.319
Longtime Solar System member Brian Blake,
as solid as they come, writes

1253
01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:20.159
to us, never intermittent fast that
cast, and I think he's absolutely right

1254
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:25.720
about that. Matthew Finney, thanks
for the vaney increase in pledge. It's

1255
01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:29.359
been a pleasure getting to know you. Owen Taylor, thank you very much.

1256
01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:31.319
He writes up from the three sixteen
tier to VIPs. I need to

1257
01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:36.399
feel the ass lash from the co
chairs tonight. That's our backlash live call

1258
01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:44.239
Nick Capriolo, Dylan Smith and Justin
Garcia MSG nineteen sixty eight ninety nine.

1259
01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:48.520
Thank you, Fred Dernsdorff, Richard
Templer and Ben Odsley, Andy Lowe.

1260
01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:55.920
And we heard also from John Jennings
who wrote, well, Fellas, it

1261
01:30:56.000 --> 01:31:00.640
all started when I searched a WA
in a podcast app. There you go,

1262
01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:02.760
that's it, miss him from Verne
Country in Minnesota. Boss, I

1263
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:06.560
wish you'd pass on John's story of
you got it becoming lapsed. Oh,

1264
01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:14.359
I love it. Fellas had all
started when I searched a WA in a

1265
01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:17.720
podcast app. When I caught up
with your feed, I rolled back and

1266
01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:21.760
listen to a WA and WCCW pods
until you put new things up for me

1267
01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:27.479
to freeload on. That ends today. I lived through those two tales a

1268
01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:31.239
W A and wcc W. I'm
a LAPS fan in Minnesota, forty seven

1269
01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:35.479
years old. I used to sneak
around the house on Sunday mornings, hoping

1270
01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:41.000
I didn't wake my mom and dad
so I could catch so I could catch

1271
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:44.880
All Star Wrestling on the Channel nine
in Minneapolis. If they woke up,

1272
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:46.600
we would have to go to church, and there was no chance to see

1273
01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:48.560
in the whole show. I told
you they were out there. We just

1274
01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:53.439
we found the limental tragedy guy a
few emails ago. Here's r A w

1275
01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:58.279
A guy. Then I have to
wait till next Saturday. Admittedly, I

1276
01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:04.000
was Great Gagney's only fan when I
was five to ten years old, even

1277
01:32:04.039 --> 01:32:10.640
in the fucking u crop top with
the back camo. All right, that

1278
01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:15.479
didn't spread the gospel, Okay,
I got. I got to go to

1279
01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:18.399
the ABA matches in Fairmont, Minnesota
when I was young. The undercard Bobby

1280
01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:21.760
Heenan wrestled T and T Tom Lens. He hit him in the chest with

1281
01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:27.680
a Greg Valentine hammer and Lens spit
straight up in the air. My friend

1282
01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:30.199
Ryan, who was who was with
me and my mother started crying because he

1283
01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:34.399
thought Lens got hurt. He had
to go out into the entry and be

1284
01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:40.399
consoled by my mother that it was
okay, It was all okay. When

1285
01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:43.119
I was seven or eight, I
was visiting my grandparents in Lake City,

1286
01:32:43.119 --> 01:32:46.079
Florida. We used to we used
to use three different airports to fly in

1287
01:32:46.239 --> 01:32:54.640
because my mother was a Penny Pincher. Oh shit, the three were Jacksonville,

1288
01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:58.199
or Lando or Tampa. We were
on our way back to Minnesota,

1289
01:32:58.279 --> 01:33:00.439
and my grandparents drove us to the
Report. Of course, back in the

1290
01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:04.359
back in those days, everyone went
to the gate for the big sendoff.

1291
01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:09.800
Especially that's right, I'm gonna say
they definitely went to the gate for the

1292
01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.119
sendoff. I'm staying with my grandpa
and looked at my right and see this

1293
01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:15.760
huge guy lift a woman up under
her armpits, almost in the military press

1294
01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:18.560
style, and bringing her over the
rope next to him. I said,

1295
01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:25.000
Grandpa, it's whole Cogan. He
replied, who's so cogan? I said

1296
01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:28.760
he was a wrestler in the AWA. Grandpa Grandpa said, let's go meet

1297
01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:30.720
him. I told him I was
too scared to go over there. My

1298
01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:34.279
fearless grandfather Mark ride over there.
And then a little breath said, my

1299
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:42.000
grandson says, he sees you on
TV wrestling. Folks. Response, not

1300
01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:46.319
me, dude, Oh my god, brother, what on Terry d No,

1301
01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:51.520
dude, not me, brother?
What are you? Who sees me?

1302
01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:57.199
Who? Who sees me? Brother? Wait a minute, who's your

1303
01:33:57.239 --> 01:33:59.439
grandson? Brother? Are you?
What are we talking about? Dude?

1304
01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:03.560
That is that walker? Is that
a shoot? Wait a minute, how

1305
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:10.520
old are you? Brother? What? What airport? Is this? Just?

1306
01:34:12.279 --> 01:34:23.680
Sh oh? Here? Grandpa came
back and told me that, and

1307
01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:28.039
that was my first lesson that these
fuckers are all liars. Yes, my

1308
01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:33.920
mother said she wouldn't spit on him
if he was on fire. I mean

1309
01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:38.119
no. Nonetheless, I flew on
a plane with Whole Coke in in Minneapolis.

1310
01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:41.560
He flew coach for the record.
Grandpa would watch with me every now

1311
01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:44.199
and then. He was pretty good
with his fist back in the day,

1312
01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:48.199
and when those guys would go into
their punch heavy ballet, he would have

1313
01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:53.960
to leave the room saying, this
is all bullshit. He went, he

1314
01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:58.600
went and got another help and a
hot dish. Yes, it was a

1315
01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:04.960
hot pot plate. Is it plate? That's casserole being sticking out of it?

1316
01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:09.920
Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely bubbling on
the inside. You can see him

1317
01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:14.479
and the French is fried onions.
Yea, oh god, oh my god.

1318
01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:17.439
I raised to Loring's Drugs drug store
to get my aftermags every month.

1319
01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:20.800
That was the only way I could
know what was going on in other territories,

1320
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:24.720
even though at the time I couldn't
see world class I read about David

1321
01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:27.439
van Eric a lot and was sat
in by his passing. I also I

1322
01:35:27.479 --> 01:35:30.399
read about Billy Jack, Bob Backlin, Dusty and all the people I couldn't

1323
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:38.640
see. Then we got cable Gorilla
and Bobby doing Tuesday nights MTV Rock and

1324
01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:43.079
Wrestling wcc W Saturday nights on TBS
at five oh five Central time zone.

1325
01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:46.399
Good God, this must be what
heaven is like. Yes, fast board.

1326
01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:49.920
In nineteen ninety, I was fifteen. We used to print called Buck's

1327
01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:57.920
Bar in Hamburg all the time.
Yep, fuckhead Buck Zoomhoff at a bar

1328
01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:04.800
wow, I had no idea tremendous
oh in his hometown, he always answered

1329
01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:09.000
the phone. A good friend of
mine got into a verbal tiff with Buck

1330
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:13.039
one night in a bar in Hutchinson, Minnesota. It was decided that this

1331
01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:15.920
was to go outside. My friend
introduced the three knees to buck skull and

1332
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:19.840
the battle was over. Such a
minna of saying it. It produced three

1333
01:36:19.880 --> 01:36:24.199
knees to a skull that night.
And uh yeah, yeah, well you

1334
01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:26.800
know used to stand up. He
used to stand up comedy in Marshall,

1335
01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:30.359
Minnesota, and for a while he
was actively living in a van down by

1336
01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:31.720
the river in New London, Minnesota. Oh, please, no, I

1337
01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:39.239
know he's lying Buck Zoomhoff living in
a van. I mean, that's too

1338
01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:43.520
that's too classy for him. I
was standing in Minneapolis airport to pick up

1339
01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:48.039
my uncle. Oh, my uncle
was in the can. Mike Rotundo ran

1340
01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:54.039
past me full speed. It really
does. I told my dad who it

1341
01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:57.720
was. Then then then t Tnko
walked by. I was a little confused.

1342
01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:00.479
My uncle came out of the head
and started walking and said to me

1343
01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:03.680
my father that the guy in front
of him at a record number of folds

1344
01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:08.359
on the back of his head.
That happened to be the guy walking in

1345
01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:13.000
front of us. Kamala and Tito
Santana were talking about why it's better to

1346
01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:26.319
lease a vehicle rather than buy it. Oh, that's just tremendous, is

1347
01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:45.920
it? Because of love? Dress
rates low John, that's a great letter.

1348
01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:48.119
That's a great tip. Jo still
more. Oh, Oh, I'm

1349
01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:51.479
sorry, please more. I got
into radio on the mid two thousands,

1350
01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:56.239
and I thought out wrestlers for interviews. I mostly quit watching by that point,

1351
01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:58.680
but still wanted to speak to the
ones I loved as a kid.

1352
01:37:59.079 --> 01:38:05.159
Slaughter came to Wilmar for a baseball
game just to watch it. Yeah,

1353
01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:09.560
yeah, right, Jericho, which
was maybe my worst interview guests ever,

1354
01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:13.479
aj Styles, broun Stroman, Steve
Austin, a lot of others. While

1355
01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:16.920
their product is the shits, the
personalities are what I want. Here's the

1356
01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:18.680
deal, guys. They don't have
a lot of money. I'm in fucking

1357
01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:24.039
radio. What I do have is
a lot of sports cards. I threw

1358
01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:26.760
a few up on line. Decide
that whatever they sell for is when I'm

1359
01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:29.720
given to the most entertaining audio that
has crawled right up my ass, amazing

1360
01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:39.239
laps fan. That's a fucking fucking
christ more more more this season, donate

1361
01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:45.840
your unused, unwanted cars to WTLF. There it is cars, cards,

1362
01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.079
whatever, John, that's a wonderful
email. And it's cards that's someone of

1363
01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:54.960
your vintage from that very significant part
of the country is counted amongst the solar

1364
01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:57.199
system. We're going to rely on
you. I think, for instance,

1365
01:38:57.239 --> 01:39:00.960
going forward quite a bit, where
were these bull when we were doing these

1366
01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:04.359
journeys. I know, fucking christ
aot D. I want to thank you

1367
01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:10.399
for the pledge as we continue our
trend of dominance here saying to you Pete

1368
01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:15.439
Faulkner. We really appreciate the support. Carl writes, my ap my afternoon

1369
01:39:15.479 --> 01:39:19.960
is a lapsed sleeper agent. This
is from Cape Town, Dear cochairs.

1370
01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:24.520
This past weekend was my fiancee's birthday
and we went to a music festival with

1371
01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:27.800
friends. We happened to discover our
neighbors were American and invited them to come

1372
01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:30.399
to have a beer with us.
We are forty five minutes from the nearest

1373
01:39:30.439 --> 01:39:32.119
hard road. It's cool but not
cold, and the sun is crisp and

1374
01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:35.640
that unique autumn way. Sometime into
the general conversation, this gentleman mentions he

1375
01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:39.800
grew up in Boston and now lives
in a small town in Colorado. Everything

1376
01:39:39.880 --> 01:39:44.479
changed at that moment. My brain
was now screaming. We got in Cape

1377
01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:46.920
Town, South Africa. Yes,
my brain was now screaming, Lodrula,

1378
01:39:48.439 --> 01:39:56.359
my cousin is a state trooper and
cop cop Cop Cop Cop. I'm no

1379
01:39:56.399 --> 01:39:59.560
longer capable of having a pleasant conversation
with this man, as my brain goes

1380
01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:02.560
into a psychosis every time I see
him thereafter. This is all due the

1381
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:08.439
lapse to kill word Shirley and grained
into the solar system. Boston. Yeah,

1382
01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:12.640
we have done quite a bit of
of burning into the brains on that

1383
01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:16.960
whole. I just that there's someone
in Cape Town saying lad regular as it

1384
01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:21.439
is, he here is Boston.
Oh yeah quite happy, Yeah, sy

1385
01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:26.119
Robs, Thank you, John,
thanks for increasing your pledge up to the

1386
01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:30.239
VIP level. Tim Bever's nicest year
maturation as a Solar System member. Keep

1387
01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:35.760
the good will coming, Jamie Ode
and Danny Vaughan and Chris and Derek Dolazal

1388
01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:43.119
and John Callowhill and a good boy
and Andy Yellinich who's a motetier motherfucker with

1389
01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:49.039
big thick veins. Norman Francis and
Alex and Brad Peterson and Alistair and Gary

1390
01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:55.960
Tealem. There's Christian again and Jordan
Grindly again and Michael Weisskamp, Bobby Wasabi,

1391
01:40:56.640 --> 01:41:03.279
Narjar Lowery, Jesse Harrison, gen
Richard Mann and Mike Rutch Sean what

1392
01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:08.159
about will l Or? I sorry
jobber bumping up the pledge. Call Amede

1393
01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:12.079
is back in the spot, Marcus
Crouch is back, Josh Wright, Clay

1394
01:41:12.199 --> 01:41:17.680
Mark, Justin Garcia, Matthew of
Madison, Harry Turner, Fu Manchu sent

1395
01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:26.319
Oh oh, isn't it just put
you right? There now justin Harman,

1396
01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:30.520
Mark Sullivan, Matthew Gundicker, Brandon
Guyser, Boat Tier. I know him

1397
01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:35.199
when I see him, Adam Two, gr Spence, Darryl Wilkins. We

1398
01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:40.039
need to thank all of these people, and that is precisely what it is

1399
01:41:40.079 --> 01:41:43.359
we're doing. Gr writes us.
I am no longer a freeloading bitch.

1400
01:41:43.800 --> 01:41:46.520
As my finances increase, my pledge
will increase. Thank you for the memories,

1401
01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:49.840
thank you for the inspiration, and
thank you for whole clemania, very

1402
01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:54.359
clean sentiment and just what we're looking
to hear. Thanks very much, Bill

1403
01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:57.079
b. Thank you for the pledge, my friend. We appreciate it.

1404
01:41:57.600 --> 01:41:59.960
Liam writes to us, I'd never
thought this would come up on the cast,

1405
01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:02.359
but I actually ran into Rhino in
real life during that whole cheese and

1406
01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:06.880
cracker Wow. It was the night
of raw atk Tuesday, and I went

1407
01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:11.439
to after raw and I went to
the Kroger on Michigan Avenue and Outer Drive

1408
01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:14.520
here in Dearborn, Michigan. I
was walking, speed walking actually to the

1409
01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:17.319
frozen foods, but stopped and doubled
back after seeing a curious yet familiar figure

1410
01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:21.199
in my periphery. It was rhino
standing in the hell food aisle pensively trying

1411
01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:26.239
to select organic tortilla chips or something. He was wearing khaki cargo shorts with

1412
01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:29.359
a short sleeve button up, and
flip flops, a small basket in hand

1413
01:42:29.439 --> 01:42:32.960
rather than a card. All of
this amused and satisfied me. That's right.

1414
01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:35.079
He wound up next to me at
the self checkout. I could not

1415
01:42:35.119 --> 01:42:38.920
help myself from turning to him and
asking if he was stalking up on cheese

1416
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:43.560
whiz. He had no idea what
I was talking about, look looked exhausted.

1417
01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:45.479
To be honest, Yes, I
jogged his memory about the thing he

1418
01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:48.560
had been doing a national television less
than twenty four hours prior, and he

1419
01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:53.119
was like, oh yeah, And
we both started rambling the word cafebe over

1420
01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:57.119
each other nervously. I was surprised
that he is actually taller and longer in

1421
01:42:57.199 --> 01:43:00.680
person, not nearly as boxlike as
one would expect. Was not, however,

1422
01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:03.000
surprised to see him depart the Kroger
parking lot and a massive hummer he

1423
01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:09.000
had triple parked sixty yards away from
the store entrance and a mostly empty parking

1424
01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:15.000
lot. That's a laps dispatch if
I've ever heard one in the wild.

1425
01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:20.439
Matthew McCown, thank you very much
for your pledge. We appreciated Alexander wanted

1426
01:43:20.479 --> 01:43:25.880
to pass this sentiment along upon the
passing of the iron cheek, Dear CoA

1427
01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:29.840
chairs also goes by Ali. By
the way, I'm a first generation Iranian

1428
01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:32.119
American. I don't know if you
or your listeners are aware of how important

1429
01:43:32.119 --> 01:43:35.000
the Sheik was to Iranian American kids
growing up in the eighties. Now,

1430
01:43:35.039 --> 01:43:39.520
I have no idea. Tell me
about it. It felt like the Aetola

1431
01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:42.720
and the Sheik were the only Iranians
we ever saw on TV. Kids like

1432
01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:45.600
me could never support the Aetola.
Our families fled Iran because of his regime.

1433
01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:49.279
The Sheik though he was our guy. We rooted and cheered for the

1434
01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:54.239
Shiek, regardless of him being the
evil foreign menace. That's amazing someone sharing

1435
01:43:54.279 --> 01:43:59.359
the iron cheek in the eighties.
He looked and sounded, that's crazy.

1436
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:01.119
They're out there. I mean,
yeah, obviously, it makes sense.

1437
01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:04.119
I mean, you know they especially
in those days, you know, you

1438
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:09.439
cheer for you cheer for your countrymen. You know, like that's that's the

1439
01:44:09.520 --> 01:44:14.920
thing. I just I have never
heard anybody. He's a proud Iranian.

1440
01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:16.680
You know, he did hawk patuee
on the American flag. But it's sure

1441
01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:19.960
he's out there denouncing his Iranian heritage. No, no, not at all.

1442
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:24.000
He looked and sounded like our fathers, our grandfathers and uncles. He

1443
01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:26.840
spoke farci in interviews. He was
a hero to us and for me and

1444
01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:29.880
my brother. He helped to create
a bond with our father that continues to

1445
01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:31.680
this day. My dad would tape
Saturday night's main event for us to watch

1446
01:44:31.680 --> 01:44:34.119
in the morning, and he still
claims that the Sheik had the best soup

1447
01:44:34.119 --> 01:44:38.479
plexus. It's strange how I am
so saddened by the death of a man

1448
01:44:38.520 --> 01:44:41.479
I never met. Yet somehow it's
like I lost a family member. Thank

1449
01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:44.520
you for letting me share this with
you both. Ali Okay, he writes,

1450
01:44:44.560 --> 01:44:46.399
maybe my dad and uncles didn't quite
look like the Sheek. Not many

1451
01:44:46.399 --> 01:44:50.279
people can have abs and a beer
belly. Yeah, Why, he did

1452
01:44:50.279 --> 01:44:55.720
have those ravioli abs. He did
define the term contrari And Alex and Kyle

1453
01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:59.399
Burke and Yeldee, thank you very
much, and I ate him and I

1454
01:44:59.560 --> 01:45:01.479
ate him for your support. This
one's from the man This one's from Tom

1455
01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:08.079
ats Nacio, and it concerns under
the cinemat. It concerns your ingenious chronicling

1456
01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:13.600
the WW career of Michael Luisa of
WW Studios. Oh my goodness, you

1457
01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:17.319
know Tom's going to bring that extra
color, absolutely industry color. That's right,

1458
01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:20.000
hey, coach chairman. I mentioned
this to JP, but following up,

1459
01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:27.359
Michael Luisa was let go because W
Studios was hemorrhaging money effort to turn

1460
01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:32.079
things around and enhance the studio's critical
image. He put everything into Pandemonium,

1461
01:45:32.159 --> 01:45:36.359
including making Omega. Offered Bradley Cooper
to play Vince, including a significant percentage

1462
01:45:36.399 --> 01:45:40.439
of the gross on the back end. That's the movie about Vince that went

1463
01:45:40.520 --> 01:45:43.840
nowhere. We read the script for
one. We read the script. Luisa

1464
01:45:43.920 --> 01:45:46.720
claimed he had Vinnie Max's approval for
the offer. Stephanie and Michelle Wilson accused

1465
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:54.800
Louisa of going row tremendous. I
love this, yep. Michelle Wilson's job

1466
01:45:55.000 --> 01:46:00.840
was to reign in costs and she
targeted ww E stoos for cuts immediately,

1467
01:46:01.520 --> 01:46:05.159
which Luisa didn't like because he blames
some of the losses on being forced to

1468
01:46:05.199 --> 01:46:11.279
produce original programming for the network at
the time, which supposedly was one of

1469
01:46:11.279 --> 01:46:16.319
the things that pissed off Stephanie.
Anyway, when Luisa went to Vince,

1470
01:46:16.359 --> 01:46:20.399
he pulled a SummerSlam ninety three and
was like, I was fine with you

1471
01:46:20.479 --> 01:46:25.600
reaching out to Bradley Cooper, but
I didn't approve you making an offer.

1472
01:46:25.640 --> 01:46:28.239
Here we go, right, I
should you be Hogan, but I never

1473
01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:34.119
said so. Michelle pushed him out
with Steph's support elanorous feet of course,

1474
01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:38.920
as all of the Mike Luisa's of
the world seemed to. But it was

1475
01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:43.199
the crazy never running Pandaemonium development that
got him in the end. I'm sure

1476
01:46:43.199 --> 01:46:46.399
there's more to this story, involving
other duties he probably had while at WWE,

1477
01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:50.920
but the less said about all that
the better. That's yeah, that's

1478
01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:56.319
crazy at the inside story right there. Yep, we do love an inside

1479
01:46:56.359 --> 01:47:00.520
story around here, especially in the
cinem We do. Thank you. Jesse

1480
01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:04.000
Harrison, Andy Yellinich, Panda,
Jordan Armstrong, Matt Colbley, Damien Thorne,

1481
01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:10.760
Matt Venderick and Beef Beef Queen,
Chris Thomas and Kade Archer and Dan

1482
01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:15.319
Parshley and Robert and Real Yoshi Hashi, Daniel divine and Logan Henry and Steve

1483
01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:19.520
Talbot and thunder Gun and Keith Lapinski
and Jimmy Carter and Jack Llespion faster than

1484
01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:25.760
Chuck, Brent Clark and Michael Fitzsimmons
and ukhmar Javed and David Zaylor. We

1485
01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:28.880
love all of you and thank you
very much for your vote of confidence in

1486
01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:31.520
the cast. Ellis writes, picturing
Bischoff and Hervey's staying up to four in

1487
01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:34.800
the morning with empty beer bottles and
coffee cups around them, high fiving each

1488
01:47:34.800 --> 01:47:39.560
other as they celebrate how they closed
the loop and every loop in the storyline,

1489
01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:45.239
not recognizing how damn boring and unnecessary
it all was. Boss hashtag tenh

1490
01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:49.039
damn right. Ken Canal writes,
general entertainment is what Sergeant Slaughter would be

1491
01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:54.319
called if he debuted in twenty twenty
three? Why was that? Again?

1492
01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:57.960
Say that general entertainment is what Sergeant
Slaughter would be called if he debuted.

1493
01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:10.119
Absolutely blake a modern condition. Oh
boy, firstly, I wish you a

1494
01:48:10.159 --> 01:48:13.680
happy Father's Day. I have zero
reason to assume you were not great dads,

1495
01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:15.119
and you don't constantly talk about your
kids, so I believe it's safe

1496
01:48:15.159 --> 01:48:17.720
to say you are next. Let
me say that, unlike the common show,

1497
01:48:17.720 --> 01:48:21.680
there is no cure for the modern
condition. It's everything that surrounds us

1498
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:25.640
in every avenue of life we walk
down. It is what we those who

1499
01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:29.960
live in the golden age of childhood
so clearly, clearly see it's fucking mediocrity.

1500
01:48:30.279 --> 01:48:32.279
It's someone who is less than what
you know is possible telling you that

1501
01:48:32.359 --> 01:48:36.039
they are the top of mount profession. Yes, we are watching the wheel

1502
01:48:36.119 --> 01:48:40.640
reset and come back around to be
replenished. But what is being served up

1503
01:48:40.720 --> 01:48:44.880
is not what was once there.
The fields went bare, the seasons were

1504
01:48:44.920 --> 01:48:47.640
harsh, but it was not any
different than what had always happened before.

1505
01:48:47.960 --> 01:48:51.520
What happened here, while in our
little slice of heaven that we call professional

1506
01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:56.239
rastling, we merely traded in men
like Sid Uti for men like Phil Brooks.

1507
01:48:56.560 --> 01:48:58.479
On its face, it doesn't seem
like such a bad deal, right,

1508
01:48:58.680 --> 01:49:00.800
I mean, we all know Sid's
hang ups are right. He's going

1509
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:03.399
to do steroids. He's gonna play
softball, and he will will not show

1510
01:49:03.479 --> 01:49:06.560
up. Yes, he's gonna looking
tremendous. The people are gonna pop.

1511
01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:10.279
You have no idea what he's going
to do on screen. Then we get

1512
01:49:10.279 --> 01:49:12.680
to our white night, our second
city seat. Phil Brooks. I mean,

1513
01:49:12.680 --> 01:49:14.840
he's a little rough around the edges
and crusty, but you know,

1514
01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:16.479
he's a decent guy. He's not
going to cause issues everywhere he goes because

1515
01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:20.479
of his feelings. He's absolutely not
going to walk out really a locker room

1516
01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:24.840
leader, not like sit at all. So what's the issue then, Well,

1517
01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:28.640
it's very much the same as the
modern issue. See on its face,

1518
01:49:28.680 --> 01:49:31.640
it really isn't much different than it's
ever been. The issue is the

1519
01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:38.680
modern condition. The issue is Phil
Brooks. It's so much bullshit and interference

1520
01:49:38.680 --> 01:49:42.920
and noise and garbage that's only there
because of the modern entity bringing in It's

1521
01:49:42.760 --> 01:49:45.439
as it should be. It's not
as it needs to be. It is

1522
01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:51.439
as it has been made to be
presently. They don't know how to be

1523
01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:56.439
larger than life anymore. They don't
have it in them, so they bring

1524
01:49:56.479 --> 01:49:59.640
it to them. Then you're the
problem. You're the asshole. You're the

1525
01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:01.640
issue, you old bitch ass.
Nothing in the world acquires the same amount

1526
01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:06.560
of greatness to be it anymore because
we have made everything not special. That's

1527
01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:11.279
right, it's over now. I
realized that I come across as angry and

1528
01:50:11.319 --> 01:50:14.319
have an extragrind with Phil, perhaps
because he blocked me on Twitter six years

1529
01:50:14.359 --> 01:50:17.199
ago for asking how big batiste his
dick was. That's another thing. Fuck

1530
01:50:17.239 --> 01:50:19.840
can lighten up man. The correct
answer would have been asking your mama,

1531
01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:23.479
but he blocked me, probably with
flaky bread crust in the corner of his

1532
01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:26.720
mouth. Anyway, this couldn't be
further from the truth. So he Phil

1533
01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:29.079
gave me the greatest gift anyone could
give a man. As I write this

1534
01:50:29.119 --> 01:50:31.119
on Father's Day, the symbolism comes
crashing down on me, but it doesn't

1535
01:50:31.239 --> 01:50:35.600
hurt inside. It feels free,
hopeful. When Phil returned the first time,

1536
01:50:35.640 --> 01:50:39.399
my son was watching and he fell
in love, had a punk t

1537
01:50:39.479 --> 01:50:42.800
shirt, stickers saying shit like no
one can beat see him punk in Chicago.

1538
01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:44.920
They are it all out for the
comeback. It was magic. He

1539
01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:47.079
had him for life. Then he
gets hurt. Okay, shit happens and

1540
01:50:47.199 --> 01:50:50.319
the fucking muffin faced press conference and
all that shit goes down My boys like

1541
01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:54.239
seven eight at the time, he's
still believing. I try to explain,

1542
01:50:54.279 --> 01:50:56.039
and he asked me the question,
Well, if they got in a fight,

1543
01:50:56.079 --> 01:51:00.479
why don't they just have a match
I told him that I didn't know

1544
01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:04.159
that was about it. He watched
a bit here and there, then slowly

1545
01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:08.039
stopped. Finally, last week he
asked me, do you want to go

1546
01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:15.479
through my wrestlers before I donate them? Yes? Two things. Jesus Christ,

1547
01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:21.199
How pathetic is that? I should
be shot in the face? Boss?

1548
01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:29.199
Can you picture your dad? Can
you picture offering your dad your wrestling

1549
01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:39.159
toys before you gave them away?
What have we done? I mean,

1550
01:51:41.079 --> 01:51:46.680
he would be so confused. What. Secondly I knew that was it?

1551
01:51:47.680 --> 01:51:50.920
He said, It's just kind of
boring wrestling. That is. Of course,

1552
01:51:51.880 --> 01:51:57.039
I can't argue. I owe all
of this to Phil. He set

1553
01:51:57.119 --> 01:52:00.680
my son free. He will not
know the pain of this profession of Carney

1554
01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:05.520
Fox. He won't spend twenty minutes
writing an absurd email to a college podcast

1555
01:52:05.600 --> 01:52:10.880
thirty five years into his future because
some meth dealer, short order cook greaser

1556
01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:15.960
from Chicago got butt hurt with other
phony blooney dumbfucks and someone bitter man,

1557
01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:18.760
and my god, just fuck it, what a fucking bitch fight. I'm

1558
01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:26.239
disgusted with it all. It's all
the modern condition. Thing fucking sucks.

1559
01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:30.960
I'm exhausted anyway, thanks Phil.
Cult of Personality played eight times on repeat

1560
01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:34.039
in my ear during this email.
That's my song now, bitch, now

1561
01:52:34.119 --> 01:52:39.840
hit my fucking music. PS double
biz your lap Soldier Blake aka the forty

1562
01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:47.920
ninth City Saints. That's coming for
us that moment. Also we realize we're

1563
01:52:47.920 --> 01:52:54.600
playing with toys longer than our kids
did. Yeah. I mean, it's

1564
01:52:54.600 --> 01:53:03.119
happening now. It's happening now.
Yeah. Yeah, ah man, that

1565
01:53:03.239 --> 01:53:10.279
was a heavy one, that tremendous, writes prostitution. Brother, We're listening

1566
01:53:10.319 --> 01:53:12.760
to the lamentable tragedy at the moment
for the third time, and just finished

1567
01:53:12.760 --> 01:53:15.720
the ben Wat tragedy for the second
time. Wrestling is essentially prostitution. Watch

1568
01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:19.000
me hurt myself, cheer for me, then watch me kill myself and throw

1569
01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:23.279
my family. I fucking love it, he writes, And love you guys

1570
01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:26.199
so much, your insight, your
research, your riff. Second to fucking

1571
01:53:26.279 --> 01:53:28.920
Nune. My era was two thousand
to two thousand and five. So I'm

1572
01:53:28.920 --> 01:53:30.640
a rock and Shawn Michael's guy.
I love Austin too, don't worry,

1573
01:53:30.640 --> 01:53:32.760
but I always knew I was missing
a special connection with him, and I

1574
01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:36.479
hated forcing bullshit my stepdad was actually
the one that introduced me to wrestling,

1575
01:53:36.640 --> 01:53:40.479
which is pretty weird, but it
helpless bond over an otherwise awkward pairing of

1576
01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:43.720
people. My best memories were,
unfortunately for you guys, during O one

1577
01:53:43.760 --> 01:53:46.359
O two Invasion. Stuff had me
so invested as a ten year old and

1578
01:53:46.439 --> 01:53:48.640
without knowing how much better it could
have done. Meantime, all I ever

1579
01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:53.720
wanted to see was the under seller
to dominate the Oh I mean I'm with

1580
01:53:53.800 --> 01:53:56.479
you though, man, I mean
I was, Oh yeah, I couldn't.

1581
01:53:56.520 --> 01:54:00.760
I mean, I I tuned in
because I knew in the back of

1582
01:54:00.760 --> 01:54:05.439
my mind I should be caring about
this more exactly. It's one of those

1583
01:54:05.479 --> 01:54:10.439
first things of like, it was
one of those first experiences of like,

1584
01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:15.560
why am I more hyped than they
deserve? Yeah? Right? Yeah?

1585
01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:19.600
Why am I more hyped than they
have made me? Where is this extra

1586
01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:25.840
energy coming from? What am I
reaching for? And it's that tragedy of

1587
01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:29.880
getting to know the business well enough
that you book things better in your head

1588
01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:33.000
than they do on the screen,
and you build the anticipation better in your

1589
01:54:33.039 --> 01:54:36.319
head than they know how to do
or care to do anymore. Yeah,

1590
01:54:36.880 --> 01:54:41.920
there's that line. And when you
cross it, you realize that it's got

1591
01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:45.319
you by the balls for the rest
of your life, this business, because

1592
01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:53.800
you're always going to let your imagination
out run the very banal and prosaic limitations

1593
01:54:53.840 --> 01:54:58.720
of their creative thinking. Yes,
I remember being genuinely terrified, he writes,

1594
01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:01.279
w you would win that two thousand
and one Survivor Series winner take All

1595
01:55:01.319 --> 01:55:04.520
match, which is hilarious and embarrassing
in hindsight. I knew it was fake,

1596
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:08.359
but I felt like it was real. Well, yeah, I mean

1597
01:55:08.399 --> 01:55:12.720
if WCW one, then they would
have transformed the TV shows, so it's

1598
01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:15.279
kind of reel it away. Yeah. When Rock faced Hogan of Wrestleman eighteen,

1599
01:55:15.279 --> 01:55:18.159
it was Rock Me versus Hogan.
My stepdad and I generally couldn't understand

1600
01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:21.399
the Hogan appeal and got so fucking
angry when the crowd turned on my port

1601
01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:26.279
Dwayne, Oh yeah, you weren't
alive for the salad days, my friend,

1602
01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:30.680
Oh yeah, man. Anyone who
knew the power of Hulkamania in every

1603
01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:33.479
way, including the power of Hulkamania
at the bargaining table from the w C

1604
01:55:33.840 --> 01:55:39.039
run, Yeah, we knew.
Thankfully he won, and I was the

1605
01:55:39.079 --> 01:55:42.279
happiest kid in the world, and
while I knew my stepdad was legitimately disappointed,

1606
01:55:42.279 --> 01:55:43.840
he looked at me and said,
well done, as if I had

1607
01:55:43.880 --> 01:55:45.920
anything to do with it. When
the Underseller beat Hogan for the title in

1608
01:55:45.920 --> 01:55:48.319
one of the worst matches of all
time at Judgment Day two thousand and two,

1609
01:55:48.319 --> 01:55:51.039
I was genuinely excited, even the
despite the debut of the You're Going

1610
01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:56.079
to Pay instrumental theme song. To
be fair, that new theme song left

1611
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:59.279
a genuinely dirty taste in my mouth
because obviously I thought keep Roland was the

1612
01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:02.159
coolest thing of all time. Anyway, I asked him that was a better

1613
01:56:02.199 --> 01:56:05.760
one. It was better anyway.
I stopped watching wrestling around oh six,

1614
01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:09.399
so I froth on those two thousand
and two thousand and five shows you Guys

1615
01:56:09.439 --> 01:56:12.479
Do, but came back to about
ten years later for some stupid reason,

1616
01:56:12.760 --> 01:56:15.000
when I was single, living alone
and had nothing else better to do but

1617
01:56:15.039 --> 01:56:19.000
feed my nostalgia. Then I randomly
searched for wrestling podcasts and found The Lapsed

1618
01:56:19.039 --> 01:56:24.039
Fan No Mercy in two thousand and
two, one of my favorite pay per

1619
01:56:24.079 --> 01:56:26.159
views of all time, and I
hit play. While the rest is history.

1620
01:56:26.439 --> 01:56:28.720
Been listening to you guys for the
better part of six or seven years

1621
01:56:28.720 --> 01:56:30.239
now. I'm getting married in October, and my fiance laughs at me for

1622
01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:33.479
watching aw and often asks what the
fuck is that when she walks in on

1623
01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:38.039
me nearly pissing my pants while listening
to two grown men also uncontrol will be

1624
01:56:38.119 --> 01:56:42.720
laughing on the loudspeaker. That's right. I always to think I got to

1625
01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:46.760
a place in life where there are
people blasting me, laughing like a fucking

1626
01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:50.279
idiot in the privacy of their own
homes and cities. I'll never go to.

1627
01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:56.359
Yep, it an earshot of relatives
in countries you'll never go to.

1628
01:56:56.840 --> 01:57:00.600
Is It's weird. It is a
weird feeling. It's a rail but it's

1629
01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:04.479
also very very disconcerting because I'm not
somebody that would voice my laughter on anybody,

1630
01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:08.800
you know what I mean, right
right, But the podcast has a

1631
01:57:08.840 --> 01:57:12.199
way of you know, I'm among
friends, but that doesn't stop others from

1632
01:57:12.199 --> 01:57:15.039
listening in. We're hearing people,
people are hearing you and worrying, what

1633
01:57:15.079 --> 01:57:18.119
the fuck. Oh my god,
I'm vulnerable in that moment because I am

1634
01:57:18.159 --> 01:57:23.319
losing my fucking mind half that absolutely
laughing like that. Oh God, I

1635
01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:26.560
mean, Jesus, how we do
it to ourselves, but we do.

1636
01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:30.199
Man, It's just there's something there, there's an X factor. You know,

1637
01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:32.319
it doesn't happen every time, but
you know it happens enough that it's

1638
01:57:32.359 --> 01:57:35.680
like it's always yeah, yeah,
I mean they just you know, I

1639
01:57:35.680 --> 01:57:46.840
mean, for God's sake, I
mean, Carlisle, I mean, what

1640
01:57:46.920 --> 01:57:50.640
the fuck is that? Right?
Right? I always point out a few

1641
01:57:50.640 --> 01:57:55.479
things to where he writes, One
you wouldn't understand. Two you watch reality

1642
01:57:55.479 --> 01:57:58.600
TV, which is the definition of
trash, and three it's that fucking cast

1643
01:57:59.479 --> 01:58:01.479
An Australia. Unfortunately, wrestling wasn't
super easy to access, and my current

1644
01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:04.239
thirty to thirty three year old friends
generally do not care when I try to

1645
01:58:04.239 --> 01:58:08.319
tell them the bizarre tales behind it
all. Until tonight we were hanging out

1646
01:58:08.359 --> 01:58:10.680
and I took over the YouTube feed
and gave them little backstories, a lot

1647
01:58:10.720 --> 01:58:13.760
of which I've sourced from you guys, to every clip and they were hooked

1648
01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:17.199
the old Austin returning Edge and Matt
Hardy loved Triangle, Shaun Michael's fucking with

1649
01:58:17.239 --> 01:58:21.319
Hogan Owen, heart death, Chris
Benois and Eddie WrestleMania moment followed by death,

1650
01:58:21.520 --> 01:58:25.239
etc. I had them hooked for
a night, and they will never

1651
01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:28.359
watch wrestling or delve into it by
themselves, but it was a special few

1652
01:58:28.359 --> 01:58:32.600
hours and they all admitted they understand
why I'm fascinated by it anyway, rambling

1653
01:58:32.640 --> 01:58:34.760
drunk, et cetera. You guys
rule, and if I ever win the

1654
01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:38.720
lotto, I'll be sure to include
you in the share, but for now

1655
01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:42.800
I'll just keep paying a small pittance. Ps. JP is one of the

1656
01:58:42.840 --> 01:58:45.920
funniest guys on the planet in my
eyes, and jack passion journalistic prowess is

1657
01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:49.439
fucking incredible. Well, Matt,
I glad to be of service. I

1658
01:58:49.479 --> 01:58:54.359
agree with that. I mean,
that's that moment where he tells himself,

1659
01:58:54.359 --> 01:58:59.439
even for two three hours, that
he's managed to get his mates to see

1660
01:58:59.439 --> 01:59:02.079
what he sees and wrestling. Ye
is that dragon? We all chase?

1661
01:59:02.720 --> 01:59:05.960
Yes. And it's why a podcast
like this form such a strong community,

1662
01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:11.640
because you can never find those people
in your immediate geographic bounds unless you're inccredibly

1663
01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:17.560
fortunate. It's I mean, yeah, it's it's it's extremely lucky. It's

1664
01:59:17.560 --> 01:59:20.920
taking that moment in the dorm where
I see the no mercy cartridge in the

1665
01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:25.600
N sixty four and ask you you're
a fan, and it's scaling it to

1666
01:59:25.640 --> 01:59:29.800
the world. That's what the last
post. Yes. Over on YouTube,

1667
01:59:29.800 --> 01:59:31.439
where we've posted a lot of our
work, including this American work, we

1668
01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:34.640
did an episode where Vince talks about
the announcer Ray Morgan, who a lot

1669
01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:41.359
of people did Vince Junior replaced announcing
Vince Senior's television shows, And there's a

1670
01:59:41.359 --> 01:59:45.319
whole story about how Ray Morgan insisted
on a raise and Vince Senior pulled a

1671
01:59:45.399 --> 01:59:48.319
fuck you and put Vince Junior in
the chair with no preparation. And as

1672
01:59:48.399 --> 01:59:51.880
Vince was going through recollecting who Ray
Morgan was and so was Nasal Gas,

1673
01:59:53.800 --> 01:59:57.319
a faux paw was made that I
always like to correct on the record here

1674
01:59:57.359 --> 02:00:01.760
whenever we kind of go in a
blatantly false direction based on faulty source material

1675
02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:06.079
or at least conclusions that were drawn
that shouldn't have been drawn. Turns out

1676
02:00:06.119 --> 02:00:12.000
there were two Ray Morgans, really, and two famous broadcasting Ray Morgans from

1677
02:00:12.039 --> 02:00:15.720
roughly the same part of the country. Bizarre. That's always hard to account

1678
02:00:15.720 --> 02:00:19.399
for in research about people who were
prominent in the fifties or whatever. But

1679
02:00:18.880 --> 02:00:27.800
uh, Ronald, Ronald and always
said that, uh Ronald on YouTube last

1680
02:00:27.840 --> 02:00:30.520
name, so I figured, uh
oh, he might be a Ronaldo more

1681
02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:34.079
than Ronald, he says. There
were, in fact two Ray Morgans.

1682
02:00:34.079 --> 02:00:38.840
Both were radio and TV announcers,
and an accurate Wikipedia bio conflates them into

1683
02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:43.960
one hybrid Ray Morgan, then the
non wrestling, non athletic one was a

1684
02:00:43.960 --> 02:00:45.680
neighbor of mine growing up with a
big voice in a good career, who

1685
02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:49.239
liked to call himself One Take Morgan. Neither lapsed fan nor vince him to

1686
02:00:49.319 --> 02:00:53.319
realize the photo of the other Ray, who looks nothing like the wrestling Ray

1687
02:00:53.359 --> 02:00:57.319
see the New York Times obituary under
his name. Great stuff. One take

1688
02:00:57.640 --> 02:01:00.439
one, Take Morgan, and take
Morgan. That's brilliant, I'll say.

1689
02:01:00.439 --> 02:01:04.000
Now, we spent some time on
TNAH talking about what we see from Dixie

1690
02:01:04.000 --> 02:01:06.880
Carter in that last promo of the
series where she's in there, yes,

1691
02:01:08.439 --> 02:01:12.239
not calling Hulkegan by name and trying
to become a heel yea. And we

1692
02:01:12.279 --> 02:01:15.520
speculated that that was the real Dixie
Carter all along. Yes, Yes,

1693
02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:17.199
I want to give a shout out
to Adam too, who posted in a

1694
02:01:17.279 --> 02:01:20.760
very triguing thought on Patreon that we
didn't get to share in the TNH feedback

1695
02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:24.199
episode due to the time it came
in, but I want to pass it

1696
02:01:24.239 --> 02:01:27.640
along here. Yes, he writes, I have a slightly different theory as

1697
02:01:27.640 --> 02:01:30.760
to the origins of Dixie as a
heel. While it's undoubtedly true that part

1698
02:01:30.760 --> 02:01:34.199
of her true personality is in this
character, I feel that the real Dixie

1699
02:01:34.239 --> 02:01:36.800
is also the one who tries to
nurture and give people tons of chances.

1700
02:01:36.800 --> 02:01:44.239
Like Russo and Jeff Hardy, I
feel like to heal Dixie character is more

1701
02:01:44.319 --> 02:01:50.840
her attempt at imitating her own mother, huh, and how her mom acts.

1702
02:01:51.680 --> 02:01:55.920
It's Dixie's way of sticking it to
her mom for being a tight ass

1703
02:01:55.960 --> 02:01:59.119
with the purse strings and effectively killing
any chance of the company growing, which

1704
02:01:59.119 --> 02:02:01.800
it wouldn't have anyway with a creative
team in charge. Just my thoughts.

1705
02:02:02.840 --> 02:02:06.560
If I was able to ask Dixie
Carter one question, Buss, it would

1706
02:02:06.600 --> 02:02:13.479
be how much of your mother did
you channel in your heel on screen persona?

1707
02:02:13.680 --> 02:02:21.439
And watch and watch her melt at
the suggestion, I um, I

1708
02:02:21.479 --> 02:02:32.399
appreciate that suggestion. I always feel
the nurturing party is who she's been told

1709
02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:38.359
she should be, correct and so
that is just something that's been ingrained.

1710
02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:42.079
I mean, you know, could
be wrong. I'm that to me.

1711
02:02:42.640 --> 02:02:45.119
To me, it's that, yeah, this is what you're supposed to be,

1712
02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:49.600
but supposed to make people feel like
you're gonna make them cornbread unraly that

1713
02:02:49.840 --> 02:02:56.760
give a fuck about them? Right? That that anger and that ability to

1714
02:02:56.840 --> 02:03:00.600
not even mention somebody's name, That
to me is is the is the the

1715
02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:12.079
repressed reality waiting. It's like,
uh, that movie um Me Myself and

1716
02:03:12.119 --> 02:03:15.880
Irene. Wow, you know you
remember that one? I do? Yeah,

1717
02:03:15.920 --> 02:03:20.720
like Jim Carrey, Yeah yeah,
because like you get this this this

1718
02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:30.000
cookie cutter person on on on top, but the repressed, angry person is

1719
02:03:30.439 --> 02:03:38.399
lying underneath, waiting, waiting for
their opportunity to be released. Wow.

1720
02:03:40.159 --> 02:03:44.800
David sent us a picture of a
shorn finger and he writes, I did

1721
02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:46.039
it. I no longer I am
a freeloading bitch. I joined the ten

1722
02:03:46.079 --> 02:03:48.880
dollar tier. I could have easily
done three sixteen, but I wanted the

1723
02:03:48.920 --> 02:03:51.520
live calls and everything else that comes
with it. I'm not going to stop

1724
02:03:51.520 --> 02:03:55.199
there. I want under the cinemat. Ever since you put Halloween in the

1725
02:03:55.199 --> 02:03:59.680
free feed, I had to have
it. I'm curious on boss Man's take

1726
02:03:59.680 --> 02:04:03.079
on the new trilogy by David Gordon
Green. Oh God, I love him,

1727
02:04:03.319 --> 02:04:08.680
love him. Yeah, Verdict's in
yeah, coming soon under the cinemat.

1728
02:04:09.159 --> 02:04:11.600
Yeah. Well hey, I mean
I get that was that was a

1729
02:04:11.920 --> 02:04:15.079
that was a revelation. I didn't
even think about. But but last year

1730
02:04:15.159 --> 02:04:18.079
when we did uh, when we
did Halloween too, you even brought it

1731
02:04:18.159 --> 02:04:21.199
up. You're like, yeah,
they all quality. All Halloween's qualified because

1732
02:04:21.239 --> 02:04:25.680
of Michael Myers, totally in the
rest because of the Michael Myers you know,

1733
02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:29.279
in inspiration, you know, and
so that you know, someday down

1734
02:04:29.359 --> 02:04:31.479
the line, love it, we
will, we will get to the get

1735
02:04:31.479 --> 02:04:39.600
to them. Then I think they're
Yeah, I I I'm a rarity,

1736
02:04:40.119 --> 02:04:48.840
I will say in with those because
I I like, I liked all of

1737
02:04:48.880 --> 02:04:53.760
them. I really genuinely liked all
of them. And I love the middle

1738
02:04:53.800 --> 02:04:59.560
one. The middle one to me
is like it just it just was if

1739
02:04:59.560 --> 02:05:04.279
it was a different movie. But
what I like about what I like about

1740
02:05:04.319 --> 02:05:15.279
the second and the third one is
that even though they they're they're they're they're

1741
02:05:15.319 --> 02:05:18.520
creating a new story and kind of
go off in different in a different direction.

1742
02:05:19.279 --> 02:05:26.760
What I like about it is that
they have elements there are there are

1743
02:05:26.920 --> 02:05:33.479
definite homages to the previous Halloween movies
that had the numbers two and three in

1744
02:05:33.520 --> 02:05:40.239
them. Yes, and that's really
cool. Um, Yeah, they're They're

1745
02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:44.520
a lot of fun. I love
them. I'm looking forward to I haven't

1746
02:05:44.520 --> 02:05:45.760
seen the third one since I saw
in theaters last year, so I'm looking

1747
02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:51.520
forward to watching it again. Has
taken my personal Halloween enthusiasm to a completely

1748
02:05:51.560 --> 02:05:56.760
different level I would have anticipated.
Get ready be closer than you think.

1749
02:05:56.880 --> 02:06:00.600
I've always leaned hard into Christmas.
Everybody knows this big decoration this guy.

1750
02:06:00.720 --> 02:06:03.159
But I'll tell you, ever since
under the cinemat scary movie season started and

1751
02:06:03.159 --> 02:06:06.840
I became acquainted with, you know, the sort of central texts of horror.

1752
02:06:08.399 --> 02:06:11.319
Yeah, and just Halloween, you
know, celebration, I've leaned in

1753
02:06:11.439 --> 02:06:15.600
hard. Man, I am I
buying. It's a problem. Yes,

1754
02:06:15.920 --> 02:06:17.880
that's a problem, and it's a
great problem. You know. They you

1755
02:06:17.880 --> 02:06:21.840
know what they got. My dad
sent me a picture today of something they

1756
02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:27.520
had at lows Us. This like
this fucking jot thing. Watch it?

1757
02:06:29.000 --> 02:06:33.239
What is it? A giant one
a giant this giant motherfucker thing. Like

1758
02:06:33.319 --> 02:06:38.960
it's just like a demon of sorts
huge. It's like it's like it's gonna

1759
02:06:39.000 --> 02:06:44.279
be like, motherfucker exactly ten twelve
feet tall. Oh my god, Like

1760
02:06:44.520 --> 02:06:46.079
it's like, my god, like, do you want to? Okay,

1761
02:06:46.159 --> 02:06:51.119
that's how crazy crazy my dad is. He said. He texted me this

1762
02:06:51.159 --> 02:06:56.560
photo and there are two strangers in
it who are like he took a photo

1763
02:06:56.600 --> 02:07:00.119
of two strangers, and I said, I said, he said, I

1764
02:07:00.880 --> 02:07:04.439
asked these these two people to be
in the photos so I could give it

1765
02:07:05.560 --> 02:07:11.840
scale. So literally, can I
take a picture of you? It's so

1766
02:07:12.000 --> 02:07:16.039
fucking ridiculous right there. Yeah,
without a doubt, without a fucking doubt.

1767
02:07:16.439 --> 02:07:20.720
So far, how do you?
How do you like something that's twelve

1768
02:07:20.760 --> 02:07:23.520
feet tall? Like, how do
you? I don't, I mean,

1769
02:07:23.560 --> 02:07:26.520
I don't where do you even?
I mean, I'm gonna send you the

1770
02:07:26.520 --> 02:07:30.680
picture. I'm gonna send the pictures. It's it's bonkers. I mean,

1771
02:07:30.880 --> 02:07:32.399
you know it's actually it might even
be taller. Well, I see,

1772
02:07:32.520 --> 02:07:40.960
um, I saw a lot last
last Halloween of these um huge skeletons,

1773
02:07:41.079 --> 02:07:44.680
these lawn skeletons that are like as
tall as like passed through the height of

1774
02:07:44.720 --> 02:07:47.399
your front door. Like, I
don't know how those get erected, but

1775
02:07:47.479 --> 02:07:54.039
I'm very intrigued. It's always it's
always crazy, um, because this is

1776
02:07:54.079 --> 02:07:57.279
like I mean, it's like basically
it's a it's a it's a skeleton.

1777
02:07:57.680 --> 02:08:03.800
Um uh scarecrow. Yes, it
is type thing. And it's just it's

1778
02:08:03.840 --> 02:08:11.279
it's wacky and it's so cool and
it's so fucking big. Here I am.

1779
02:08:11.359 --> 02:08:15.840
I am sending you. Where is
it? Where to go? There?

1780
02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:20.159
It is? Here we go.
It's coming to you now. And

1781
02:08:20.319 --> 02:08:26.159
look at those fucking people and just
fucking mother and mother and child. Oh

1782
02:08:26.199 --> 02:08:31.439
my god, Oh that's awesome.
Look at that thing, right, that's

1783
02:08:31.439 --> 02:08:37.239
a beautiful fucking piece I have never
seen. It's about scaling something, Yeah,

1784
02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:39.960
it's right, it's about look at
that. Look at the fucking look

1785
02:08:39.000 --> 02:08:43.880
at the smiling strangers. Oh my
god. Those poor people. Yeah,

1786
02:08:43.920 --> 02:08:48.359
they loved it. They're do Look
at that fucking thing. Like you know,

1787
02:08:48.880 --> 02:08:52.520
and and and you and you've been
in my house, will get that

1788
02:08:52.520 --> 02:08:54.600
that woods thing, that woods thing, and like they kind of like in

1789
02:08:54.680 --> 02:09:05.039
front of that freaky Yeah, you
could put that thing sticking right out the

1790
02:09:05.039 --> 02:09:07.680
top of the trees looking at the
road, right, could you imagine fucking

1791
02:09:09.279 --> 02:09:11.560
like like have have like a spotlight
of a single spotlight. That's kind of

1792
02:09:11.560 --> 02:09:15.039
what I want. I want people
to drive past my street and be like,

1793
02:09:15.079 --> 02:09:18.560
what the fuck is going on down
there? Yeah? Is that hell

1794
02:09:18.640 --> 02:09:22.119
down there? Or is that is
that Christmas Heaven down there? And I

1795
02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:26.880
love and I love doing um,
you know, I always I love doing

1796
02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:30.319
a graveyard. I had a graveyard
last year. I love doing that when

1797
02:09:30.359 --> 02:09:33.239
I I love. I love a
good grave. I love a good graveyard.

1798
02:09:33.439 --> 02:09:39.119
And I had like some I've got
a Bates Motel sign, which I

1799
02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:45.720
absolutely love that I always put out. And I've got one of those weird

1800
02:09:46.680 --> 02:09:54.079
so stupid. I got this,
uh this basically like um, like a

1801
02:09:54.119 --> 02:09:58.680
power lever, Yeah, power box
with a lever, and it's got these

1802
02:09:58.720 --> 02:10:05.720
two cables coming out from it that
are that are loose and broken, and

1803
02:10:05.720 --> 02:10:15.399
it goes just kind of like goes
crazy like so fucking I loved. I

1804
02:10:15.399 --> 02:10:18.840
almost bought a Johnson mask while we
were doing Yes, yes, yes,

1805
02:10:20.359 --> 02:10:24.079
I'm I'm sad you didn't do it. I'm sorry. I did not expect

1806
02:10:24.039 --> 02:10:28.680
them to be so full of fall
winter revelry. It's fucking well coming outside.

1807
02:10:28.560 --> 02:10:33.920
We're getting close, man, We're
not We're listening listen, we're closer

1808
02:10:33.960 --> 02:10:39.720
than we are, said that you
know, and uh yeah we got I'm

1809
02:10:41.039 --> 02:10:48.279
the lineup for scary movie season.
I'm I'm very excited and said, No

1810
02:10:48.359 --> 02:10:52.239
better time to get yourself properly positioned
over at Patreon, No better time of

1811
02:10:52.319 --> 02:10:54.359
year that we roll right in a
holiday movie season. Killer. Yep,

1812
02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:58.800
we got like a two we get
I love. What I love is two

1813
02:10:58.880 --> 02:11:01.840
is we get the two week buffer. We get like two a two show

1814
02:11:01.880 --> 02:11:05.319
buffer because after your scary movie season
you gotta take a week off and fucking

1815
02:11:05.359 --> 02:11:09.960
it's it's so exhausting. But then
you get a two movie buffer in between,

1816
02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:18.239
um, you know, like basically
for Thanksgiving before going into Christmas movies.

1817
02:11:20.079 --> 02:11:24.479
So excited, Well, David concludes
some good ones. Anyway, this

1818
02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:26.760
is my testimony for the nonbelievers.
Shut up and nut up. To quote

1819
02:11:26.800 --> 02:11:31.000
Jack, this is not a fucking
game. Side note, Yeah, don't

1820
02:11:31.039 --> 02:11:33.039
handle sharp objects while listening to that
fucking cast. Thank you for what you

1821
02:11:33.119 --> 02:11:37.000
do with two jokes. Here attaches
proof of my lapsed injury. I guess

1822
02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:43.800
he cut his finger. Don't don't
exercise, don't drive, don't do anything

1823
02:11:43.840 --> 02:11:48.520
besides all these things, don't do
anything right actually will hurt the beauty as

1824
02:11:48.560 --> 02:11:52.800
you can do everything that's right,
joy it, but you will hurt.

1825
02:11:54.000 --> 02:11:58.079
That's correct. On our transcript rating
of Whole cocon on the Awkward Trial,

1826
02:11:58.119 --> 02:12:01.640
tom at Nascio notes on Patreon Torry
as a good worker, arguably better than

1827
02:12:01.680 --> 02:12:05.279
Hogan, but the gauger. But
the Gauker attorney was shockingly inept. He

1828
02:12:05.319 --> 02:12:09.159
had no idea what he was in
for with this cross. It happened again

1829
02:12:09.399 --> 02:12:15.000
in that reading, it happened again. Or these lawyers who specialize in getting

1830
02:12:15.039 --> 02:12:22.800
people to contradict themselves on the stand
just cannot deal with how ballfaced wrestlers are

1831
02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:26.439
willing to be about the nature of
truth on that stand, right right,

1832
02:12:26.720 --> 02:12:28.960
nobody was ready for the things he
set up there, and that's why it

1833
02:12:30.000 --> 02:12:35.680
was the perfect daumal. In my
opinions to t Y, Dennis is pointing

1834
02:12:35.680 --> 02:12:39.840
out, as we posted the call
fromote tier members, when a wrestler dies,

1835
02:12:39.880 --> 02:12:41.800
it's informed on one or the other
about the death of a wrestler.

1836
02:12:41.880 --> 02:12:46.079
We've gotten to the point that Patreon
is the way I find out about wrestler's

1837
02:12:46.119 --> 02:12:50.720
deaths. How about that. Wow, that's some state of affairs. That's

1838
02:12:50.800 --> 02:12:56.239
right. Robert Ritchie, lapsed veteran, Jake Despero, Andrew Manceux, Matt

1839
02:12:56.319 --> 02:13:00.720
Adams, Paul Augustine, Michael Caprio, Blake down you on all the way

1840
02:13:00.760 --> 02:13:03.359
up to the Motier. We've shouted
you out once, We'll do it again.

1841
02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:09.439
Paul p Jack, Tracy Clay,
Mark, John Fletcher, Joseph Newbauer.

1842
02:13:09.880 --> 02:13:15.960
All these motherfuckers just delivering for us. On patreon dot com, slash

1843
02:13:16.000 --> 02:13:20.359
the lapsed fan our boy, Zach
writes wrestling has gotten progressively worse since the

1844
02:13:20.399 --> 02:13:26.439
introduction of the word story, both
in terms of referring to storylines or when

1845
02:13:26.520 --> 02:13:31.479
Vince started saying we're telling stories.
I couldn't agree more. I could not

1846
02:13:31.560 --> 02:13:35.000
agree more because it just it truly
exposes that you've lost the plot of what

1847
02:13:35.039 --> 02:13:37.880
you're out here to do. That's
right, you're starting on the wrong foot.

1848
02:13:39.760 --> 02:13:45.399
Graveyard Entertainment is in our corner and
we're glad to have them. They

1849
02:13:45.399 --> 02:13:48.399
write to us Steers co Chairs.
I'm writing to you on behalf of Graveyard

1850
02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:50.720
Entertainment since recently becoming a patron,
which is long overdue, since you've been

1851
02:13:52.760 --> 02:13:56.359
eernally penetrating me for over two years. Your talents for talking theatrical tussle deserve

1852
02:13:56.439 --> 02:14:01.000
far more compensation than myself or the
company I represent and can currently provide.

1853
02:14:01.000 --> 02:14:03.960
I read a long message within Patreon. The deleted itself, of course before

1854
02:14:03.960 --> 02:14:07.079
I could finish. Of course,
second time, but Little Discourage teams had

1855
02:14:07.079 --> 02:14:09.760
some good stuff on that how show
email that just won't be on this TV

1856
02:14:09.840 --> 02:14:11.880
taping reshoot. We are a four
man team of music promoters. Three quarters

1857
02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:16.279
of our team are avid fans of
not only the golden air and attitude aurors

1858
02:14:16.279 --> 02:14:18.119
of wrestling, but we also keep
up with current WWAW products. I'm,

1859
02:14:18.119 --> 02:14:22.199
however, the most addictike of any
wrestling fan of my immediate circle. I

1860
02:14:22.279 --> 02:14:26.279
keep muted screens onto my studiage,
recording studio, slash office, slash garage,

1861
02:14:26.359 --> 02:14:30.439
s slash man cave, streaming w
BAW and even TNA Impact don't ask

1862
02:14:30.439 --> 02:14:33.720
why throughout my work day. And
New Gentlemen are my soundtrack. I came

1863
02:14:33.720 --> 02:14:35.239
to love the sport of kings as
child, and my first memories are over

1864
02:14:35.279 --> 02:14:39.159
Brett hartmatch on Superstars against some jobber
and my uncle watching the Steiners on WCW

1865
02:14:39.239 --> 02:14:43.239
Saturday Night because that was the real
fake wrestling. Ever since, I've been

1866
02:14:43.239 --> 02:14:48.199
consumed by figures, videos, video
games, and now podcast which started as

1867
02:14:48.199 --> 02:14:52.239
many is now just the lapsed fan. That's a trend. I'm noticing us.

1868
02:14:52.720 --> 02:14:56.439
Yes, people who included us in
a broad dragnet of what's happening in

1869
02:14:56.479 --> 02:15:01.439
wrestling podcasts and then end up to
us. Yeah. I came across the

1870
02:15:01.479 --> 02:15:03.199
lapt fan when I heard it mentioned
on one of Conrad's mini podcasts on the

1871
02:15:03.239 --> 02:15:07.000
subject of a combat Koma Sutra,
and during a lull and new episodes,

1872
02:15:07.039 --> 02:15:09.840
I checked out TLF and I've been
hooked for the last two plus years,

1873
02:15:09.920 --> 02:15:13.439
late to a party that never I'm
sorry, wait, wait what combat combat

1874
02:15:13.520 --> 02:15:18.840
Kama Sutra? I think he's just
referring to. Yes, I know that's

1875
02:15:18.840 --> 02:15:24.520
probably what it is, another euphemism
for pretend to combat. Although I'm only

1876
02:15:24.600 --> 02:15:26.079
entering the three sixteen tire, my
goal is to enter into oh he must

1877
02:15:26.119 --> 02:15:31.640
mean now in the ass or something. Although I'm only entering the three sixteen

1878
02:15:31.640 --> 02:15:33.039
tier, my goal is to enter
into the fifty dollars or more tier by

1879
02:15:33.039 --> 02:15:37.359
the end of the year. That's
some fucking goals, hashtag goals. This

1880
02:15:37.439 --> 02:15:39.720
is why I'm getting asking the coach
here is to call him the Solar and

1881
02:15:39.760 --> 02:15:41.439
for assistance. I have no sparing
come on my own wife, three daughters,

1882
02:15:41.439 --> 02:15:43.600
bills, blah blah blah, But
I do have access to my company

1883
02:15:43.600 --> 02:15:48.399
marketing budget via credit card that is
used toward purchases and subscriptions that might bring

1884
02:15:48.439 --> 02:15:52.079
streaming in sales revenue to our primary
yardists. Sir Nasty, he's a wrestling

1885
02:15:52.079 --> 02:15:54.800
fan and he incorporates lines into many
of his songs. Might sing you guys

1886
02:15:54.840 --> 02:15:58.640
a compilation of lines one day and
even has a song dedicated lapsed timeline me

1887
02:15:58.800 --> 02:16:03.079
ver is the World by Sernasty that
I'm hoping the coachers and the Solar System

1888
02:16:03.119 --> 02:16:05.399
will find worthy to not only listen
to, but endorse for as long as

1889
02:16:05.399 --> 02:16:09.479
we Graveyard Entertainment are patrons. And
an effort to turn this minor three sixteen

1890
02:16:09.520 --> 02:16:13.399
investment into a major platform dedicated to
exploring synthetic athletics into a major investment moat

1891
02:16:13.439 --> 02:16:16.079
tier and beyond that will make all
the financial sense in the world once my

1892
02:16:16.119 --> 02:16:20.439
team sees the power of tlf and
the Solar System in action. Of course,

1893
02:16:20.680 --> 02:16:22.560
as with all things, TLFU will
give us what we need and not

1894
02:16:22.600 --> 02:16:26.279
necessarily what we want. So if
you choose to ignore my email and propose

1895
02:16:26.319 --> 02:16:31.600
to megapower handshake that would create an
alliance between hashtag Sernasty music and TLF the

1896
02:16:31.600 --> 02:16:35.600
revolutionary force and dissecting deep faked fisticuffs. I get it, and I would

1897
02:16:35.600 --> 02:16:39.719
be no less a fan or patron
if the solar system chooses to act and

1898
02:16:39.799 --> 02:16:43.239
increases the Cernasty audience and streams of
the Carney conceptualized song me versus the World

1899
02:16:43.280 --> 02:16:48.600
by Cernasty, we will use those
additional streaming funds to increase our Patreon pledge

1900
02:16:48.600 --> 02:16:50.120
to the highest tier and beyond.
This is a new model, boss,

1901
02:16:50.159 --> 02:16:54.959
I have to say, this is
a new model. This is not meant

1902
02:16:54.959 --> 02:16:56.600
to step on the audio contributions of
Postal in any way, shape or form.

1903
02:16:56.600 --> 02:17:00.159
That's an important thing to say.
He is the rap king of the

1904
02:17:00.159 --> 02:17:01.639
cast, though not the pimp cane
end of that fact. There is no

1905
02:17:01.719 --> 02:17:05.840
doubt. I cannot thank you,
gentlemen enough for giving a mid thirties bald

1906
02:17:05.879 --> 02:17:07.639
headed, goat tied black guy living
in the South the reason to laugh out

1907
02:17:07.639 --> 02:17:15.479
loud to beans on toast Boston accents
and rehearsed and rehearsed rivalries from the nineteen

1908
02:17:15.479 --> 02:17:18.840
fifties to the present. I'm on
my second journey through the catalog hashtag shelf

1909
02:17:18.879 --> 02:17:20.479
life. But now I have content
that I had never had before. So

1910
02:17:20.520 --> 02:17:24.479
I might get to railed with Fable
for three live calls and so much more

1911
02:17:24.479 --> 02:17:26.680
than a ten dollars tier here I
come. I've included links to the song

1912
02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:30.079
I would love for you to hear
and possibly play on the air for the

1913
02:17:30.120 --> 02:17:33.559
solar systems supporting my digital streams.
I know you're not obligated to entertainment I

1914
02:17:33.559 --> 02:17:35.559
request, but I didn serrely Holpe, you'll consider it, did Listen?

1915
02:17:35.760 --> 02:17:39.440
Fan, It's Me versus the World
by Sir Nasty. Everybody ps random question

1916
02:17:39.479 --> 02:17:48.200
that I've never heard discussed in any
context. What he asks? What was

1917
02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:50.719
up with the skinny cane at King
of the Ring ninety nine. He's noticeably

1918
02:17:50.799 --> 02:17:54.440
rail thin and not the original cane
in my opinion, I've never heard that

1919
02:17:54.479 --> 02:17:56.920
one, so I can't help either. But if anyone out there knows what

1920
02:17:56.959 --> 02:18:01.000
he's talking about, drop a message
to us at lapsed fad at gmail dot

1921
02:18:01.040 --> 02:18:03.559
com and whatever we'll talk about it. Also, by the way, so

1922
02:18:03.680 --> 02:18:07.159
if you know this, this makes
me think too. You know what you

1923
02:18:07.159 --> 02:18:09.840
know? Every you were we've seen
the ten year thing we're coming up by

1924
02:18:09.840 --> 02:18:15.879
the way West. The ten year
thing, how they give the belt to

1925
02:18:15.959 --> 02:18:18.040
that, you know, they kind
of give into the fans every ten years,

1926
02:18:20.200 --> 02:18:24.559
you know that point, Ben Wah, is Cody Rhodes the ten year

1927
02:18:24.600 --> 02:18:31.959
guy this year and is Cody Rhod's
gonna have to face Kane at backlash?

1928
02:18:33.040 --> 02:18:37.680
He'll take the booking because that's you
know, that's the tradition except for Brett.

1929
02:18:37.680 --> 02:18:41.079
But it's the only one who didn't
be you know, because Kane wasn't

1930
02:18:41.120 --> 02:18:45.760
there yet. Amazing Johnson, right, he did end up. He did

1931
02:18:45.840 --> 02:18:48.840
end up end up feuding with Kane
at a year later though, when he

1932
02:18:48.399 --> 02:18:52.360
Isaac gankm Yeah, I actually count
town. You know, I think that

1933
02:18:52.479 --> 02:18:56.840
he wasn't his champion, but you
know, no, but Glenn Jacobs awaits

1934
02:18:56.879 --> 02:19:01.719
champions that the fans wanted more than
Vince wanted. Yes, yes, I'm

1935
02:19:01.719 --> 02:19:05.799
hopelessly lapsed. He writes. This
is Dan Johnston as I continue to work

1936
02:19:05.840 --> 02:19:07.799
my way through the catalog, currently
listening to Roma ninety four, about two

1937
02:19:07.879 --> 02:19:11.319
years behind. So if you ever
read this on the cast, I'll probably

1938
02:19:11.319 --> 02:19:13.319
find out in late twenty twenty five. All right, consider this a letter

1939
02:19:13.280 --> 02:19:16.559
we'd put in a bottle and send
down the ocean. You got it.

1940
02:19:16.639 --> 02:19:18.879
On this episode, Jack mentioned that
a friend of his attend of the show,

1941
02:19:18.879 --> 02:19:22.360
and also that his friend's mom had
made him a life size doink wrestling

1942
02:19:22.399 --> 02:19:26.840
buddy j JP wanted further in tails, and it reminded me that my mom

1943
02:19:26.840 --> 02:19:30.040
did a very similar thing for me. She was tired of me attempting maneuvers

1944
02:19:30.040 --> 02:19:31.719
on my younger sister. My mom
took a long sleeve cotton shirt and sewed

1945
02:19:31.719 --> 02:19:35.520
closed all the openings. Took a
pair of sweatpants and did the same thing,

1946
02:19:35.760 --> 02:19:37.760
then sewed those together. Prior to
making the final closure. The entire

1947
02:19:37.799 --> 02:19:41.600
thing was stuffed with those styrofum packing
peanuts that you see all the time in

1948
02:19:41.639 --> 02:19:45.280
shipping boxes. She attached a towel
or something for a head and stuffed it

1949
02:19:45.319 --> 02:19:48.319
with balled up newspaper to keep around
shape. I was probably about ten at

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02:19:48.319 --> 02:19:50.920
the time, and by using adult
clothes, the wrestling dummy was the perfect

1951
02:19:50.959 --> 02:19:54.719
size for taking all my finishers.
The packing peanuts allowed expert joint manipulation and

1952
02:19:54.719 --> 02:20:01.000
crowd manipulation for sharpshooters Figure four a
million dollars dreams. The stuffing also provided

1953
02:20:01.040 --> 02:20:03.959
a cushion from my top of the
couch splashes and elbow drops. After a

1954
02:20:05.000 --> 02:20:07.040
while, the peanuts would be flattened
but a quick blade job. But I

1955
02:20:07.079 --> 02:20:09.000
allow them to stuff that job or
full again so that my push could continue.

1956
02:20:09.120 --> 02:20:13.159
I named this carny contraption Mitch Stitch. Thanks for being the only group

1957
02:20:13.200 --> 02:20:16.040
of people on this planet who could
hear this story and not make me ashamed

1958
02:20:16.319 --> 02:20:18.959
to remember a time when it used
to be better and a time where a

1959
02:20:20.000 --> 02:20:24.079
bunch of packing peanuts crammed in a
shirt took the most devastating power bomb in

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02:20:24.239 --> 02:20:26.959
my hometown. That's the good Wow, that's the good stuff. Thank you,

1961
02:20:28.639 --> 02:20:31.239
Matt. Thank you very much for
your generous out of the gate pledge.

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02:20:31.879 --> 02:20:35.639
We definitely appreciated. This is from
an anonymous Solar System member. I

1963
02:20:35.680 --> 02:20:37.600
had to send you this message before
I forgot. I just played a round

1964
02:20:37.639 --> 02:20:41.000
of golf where I got paired up
with the random older guy and his adult

1965
02:20:41.079 --> 02:20:43.479
son, both of whom was super
friendly and nice, and we had a

1966
02:20:43.479 --> 02:20:46.600
good time. During the usual small
talk, we asked what each other did.

1967
02:20:46.000 --> 02:20:48.120
Dave, the older gentleman, said
he used to work in print media

1968
02:20:48.159 --> 02:20:52.440
like newspapers and ran a large newspaper
at one point former publisher of USA Today.

1969
02:20:54.360 --> 02:20:56.760
I wasn't sure if I misheard him. It didn't push further. The

1970
02:20:56.840 --> 02:20:58.959
conversation switched to media in general and
how everything has changed in that space.

1971
02:21:00.239 --> 02:21:03.000
I mentioned Peacock buying content for a
billion dollars, and that led to his

1972
02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:05.959
son mentioning he's been a fan since
he was a kid. Wow. Then

1973
02:21:07.040 --> 02:21:09.040
Dave mentions he had done deals with
both you have seen in w W he

1974
02:21:09.120 --> 02:21:13.079
At one point he mentioned, you
know, Vince is like a stage director.

1975
02:21:13.520 --> 02:21:16.120
The business is all Linda. Yes, she's the smart one. Yes.

1976
02:21:16.719 --> 02:21:20.200
I was obviously intrigued, but didn't
want to grill the guy. Then

1977
02:21:20.280 --> 02:21:24.559
something he said validated he wasn't kfaming
me. When talking about the type of

1978
02:21:24.559 --> 02:21:26.920
business deal it was with WWE,
he said, and I quote, you

1979
02:21:26.959 --> 02:21:35.760
know they WW we're all about cross
platform branded I shit you not? Yes,

1980
02:21:37.639 --> 02:21:41.239
yes, yes, he said those
exact words, completely unprompted and with

1981
02:21:41.360 --> 02:21:46.559
zero irony. The words again,
you know, they were all about cross

1982
02:21:46.639 --> 02:21:50.559
platform branded entertainment. There's nothing ironic
about boss. What the fuck right?

1983
02:21:52.479 --> 02:21:54.159
Jesus. I never got his last
name, but later did some googling base

1984
02:21:54.200 --> 02:21:56.399
and what he told me in sure
enough validated this guy was who he said

1985
02:21:56.440 --> 02:22:01.000
he was. He had another piece
of anecdotal evidence. Lapped Vince is the

1986
02:22:01.159 --> 02:22:05.399
real Vince. Yes, that's what's
up. Those are the dispatches we're looking

1987
02:22:05.440 --> 02:22:11.600
for out in the wild. Samuel
Hill, thanks for the pledge. Daniel

1988
02:22:11.639 --> 02:22:18.399
Moehler, how about Mosby Dick as
an ahab seeks to slay I guess.

1989
02:22:18.440 --> 02:22:22.479
Michael Herndon, thank you very much, Patrick Heron, thank you, Sean,

1990
02:22:22.559 --> 02:22:26.239
thank you, Rich Molton and Chris
Harris and Andy yellinich In rk oh

1991
02:22:26.399 --> 02:22:33.440
Rucero, thank you very much as
well. We're rounding third here on this

1992
02:22:33.479 --> 02:22:35.440
meal back episode. We were doing
the damn thing. We're catching up.

1993
02:22:37.000 --> 02:22:41.440
Stephen wants us to consider something bos
Steven wants. Imagine walking into that Greek

1994
02:22:41.680 --> 02:22:46.440
and seeing Lou Albano's shirt open,
belly out, dipping pieces of lamb into

1995
02:22:46.479 --> 02:22:48.760
a sauce that is spilled onto his
lair stomach like a piece of excess shower

1996
02:22:48.879 --> 02:22:54.200
jel and an owner sobbing that he
paid Lou for the TV Adverton free Meals

1997
02:22:54.200 --> 02:23:01.079
for Life? What movie was that? But the Greek that's from recently though,

1998
02:23:01.440 --> 02:23:05.159
that's from Stay tuned indeed the Greek
restaurant, say tuned under the cinema

1999
02:23:05.280 --> 02:23:09.520
featuring the well bando doing an ad
for a Greek restaurant, and then,

2000
02:23:09.799 --> 02:23:15.239
at least in our imagining, helping
himself to the cuisine. Oh I mean

2001
02:23:15.319 --> 02:23:22.040
yeah, I just again imagine the
the chunks of falafel that are underneath his

2002
02:23:22.079 --> 02:23:26.520
bitch tits. Oh my god,
I mean you know, the uh,

2003
02:23:26.479 --> 02:23:31.040
the the the euro that stuck in
his belly button, the tabouli in his

2004
02:23:31.159 --> 02:23:39.239
fucking the tabuli is in his fuck, is in his beard. It's like

2005
02:23:39.799 --> 02:23:50.079
people like see him like a year
later, like wait, is that tibulli?

2006
02:23:50.520 --> 02:23:52.760
No no, no, no,
no, no no no what it

2007
02:23:52.879 --> 02:24:01.879
is cream that I'm putting my hair
going island and man, yeah, what

2008
02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:05.280
a way to make a living that
guy? Holy shit, only in wrestling,

2009
02:24:05.319 --> 02:24:18.200
man, I mean there is there
are He's just a bizarre like I

2010
02:24:18.239 --> 02:24:20.079
mean, you know, you hear
about wrestler was always wanting to pay day,

2011
02:24:20.799 --> 02:24:24.479
but I think he takes it to
a whole nother level because he wants

2012
02:24:24.639 --> 02:24:31.120
snickers too, and a kitcat and
a fucking nutrageous. He wants a fucking

2013
02:24:31.559 --> 02:24:35.639
even He even wants an almond joy
in a mound? Mounds? Absolutely,

2014
02:24:35.840 --> 02:24:41.879
what do you know about mounds?
It's always nice to get a picture.

2015
02:24:41.879 --> 02:24:43.680
And some of these lapsed emails,
and when someone sent us a picture of

2016
02:24:43.680 --> 02:24:48.239
a rather handsome looking English pub called
Aces and Eights, I just had to

2017
02:24:48.280 --> 02:24:52.120
investigate. No, Rob writs,
deerst co chairs, you have the picture,

2018
02:24:52.239 --> 02:25:00.399
you deserve it. Let's see you
want Fuck? What did you do

2019
02:25:00.440 --> 02:25:07.959
something of this? Woof brother?
Right before you go? Did you I

2020
02:25:09.440 --> 02:25:13.040
just got off the phone. Wait
a minute, why did you, brother?

2021
02:25:13.440 --> 02:25:16.719
Did you intercept the call? Dude? Are we are you? Are

2022
02:25:16.719 --> 02:25:20.840
you recording this conversation? Dude?
Are you not recording our conversation? Brother?

2023
02:25:22.200 --> 02:25:26.399
Is this call being recorded? Frock? Look at it? Basses and

2024
02:25:26.479 --> 02:25:31.319
aids neighborhood bar and pizza. Rob
writes, dearest coach, here's after drinking

2025
02:25:31.360 --> 02:25:35.440
one too many cans of paps to
the other evening, I found myself quote

2026
02:25:35.479 --> 02:25:39.040
unquot enjoying an almost two hour bus
ride home from sec should be the sound

2027
02:25:39.040 --> 02:25:45.239
of paths. Yeah, we're working
on it. An almost two hour ride

2028
02:25:45.280 --> 02:25:48.440
bus home from central London to my
abode in the deepest, darkest outskirts.

2029
02:25:48.440 --> 02:25:50.360
Imagine my thrill when, thanks to
a pesky red traffic light. I spent

2030
02:25:50.399 --> 02:25:54.719
a few moments gazing drunkenly out of
the window at this pub. I just

2031
02:25:54.760 --> 02:25:56.639
about roused myself in time to take
this photo, which I now present for

2032
02:25:56.639 --> 02:26:00.920
your inspection. Needless to say,
the only thing enjoyable about that lengthy bus

2033
02:26:00.959 --> 02:26:03.079
ride was here to lengthy selves in
my ears and up my rs ich Bonus

2034
02:26:03.079 --> 02:26:07.639
Hogan Son Rob That's it, man, It's about those moments where you see

2035
02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:11.600
something you think of us, like
the aces and Ate pub. Hey Stax

2036
02:26:11.680 --> 02:26:13.719
wants us to know thank you for
your stellar service under the entire duration of

2037
02:26:13.760 --> 02:26:18.559
TNH. Boss Man. Hogan's run
in TNA was a section of wresting history

2038
02:26:18.559 --> 02:26:20.200
that demanded to be traversed, and
you have showed us how to approach it

2039
02:26:20.200 --> 02:26:22.840
with a consummate, a plum and
vigor all along the way, and we're

2040
02:26:22.840 --> 02:26:26.239
all the better for it. The
ten journey has been an absolute triumph of

2041
02:26:26.239 --> 02:26:30.959
will for all involved parties, including
in especially Jackson. I'm proud to have

2042
02:26:30.959 --> 02:26:33.520
had the opportunity to partake in the
journey that, my friends, is the

2043
02:26:33.600 --> 02:26:39.159
spirit. The Reverend Colonel writes,
I'd eat two hull Cooke and cheeseburgers from

2044
02:26:39.200 --> 02:26:41.040
the dollars store. Wow, I'd
love to see that. That would be

2045
02:26:41.120 --> 02:26:46.680
a viral video if you could pull
that off. Jeff writes, the way

2046
02:26:46.680 --> 02:26:48.559
I feel about Kurt Vonnegut is the
way Jack feels about George Carline when you

2047
02:26:48.559 --> 02:26:52.639
talk about AI. Read what Kurt
Vonnegut wrote in nineteen fifty nine introducing your

2048
02:26:52.719 --> 02:26:56.079
character who lived on a planet of
machines that built each other. Once upon

2049
02:26:56.079 --> 02:27:00.360
a time, on Trafalmador, there
were creatures who weren't anything like me machines.

2050
02:27:00.719 --> 02:27:03.559
They weren't dependable, they weren't efficient, they weren't predictable, they weren't

2051
02:27:03.600 --> 02:27:07.200
durable. And these poor creatures were
obsessed by the idea that everything that existed

2052
02:27:07.239 --> 02:27:09.399
had to have a purpose, and
that some purposes were higher than others.

2053
02:27:09.680 --> 02:27:13.799
These creatures spent most of their time
trying to find out what their purpose was.

2054
02:27:15.639 --> 02:27:18.840
Sounds like the fucking Facebook reels feed. Yeah, These creatures spent most

2055
02:27:18.840 --> 02:27:22.399
of their time trying to find out
what their purpose was. And every time

2056
02:27:22.440 --> 02:27:24.200
they found out what seemed to be
a purpose of themselves, the purpose seemed

2057
02:27:24.239 --> 02:27:31.079
so low that the creatures were filled
with disgust and shame and rather than serve

2058
02:27:31.120 --> 02:27:33.959
such a low purpose, the creatures
would make a machine to serve it.

2059
02:27:33.959 --> 02:27:35.719
This left the creatures free to serve
higher purposes. But whenever they found a

2060
02:27:35.799 --> 02:27:41.680
higher purpose, the purpose still wasn't
high enough. Some machines were made to

2061
02:27:41.680 --> 02:27:46.120
serve higher purposes too. Yeah,
And the machines did everything so expertly that

2062
02:27:46.159 --> 02:27:50.040
they were finally given the job of
finding out what the highest purpose of the

2063
02:27:50.079 --> 02:27:52.479
creatures could be. The machines were
ported, in all honesty that the creatures

2064
02:27:52.479 --> 02:27:58.120
couldn't really be said to have any
purpose at all. The creatures thereupon began

2065
02:27:58.159 --> 02:28:03.719
slaying each other because they hated purposeless
things above all else. Yes, yes,

2066
02:28:03.879 --> 02:28:05.760
And they discovered that they weren't even
very good at slaying, so they

2067
02:28:05.799 --> 02:28:09.959
turned that job over to the machines
too, And the machines finished up the

2068
02:28:09.040 --> 02:28:13.760
job in less time than it takes
to say troll fellmador. Let's fucking go,

2069
02:28:13.959 --> 02:28:18.040
Jeff Yea, let's fucking go.
A lot of truth in there,

2070
02:28:18.200 --> 02:28:24.040
Kurt Vonnegut laying it down Jesus Christ. Andrew Belled is on senses money and

2071
02:28:24.079 --> 02:28:28.840
fucking PayPal and says summer back pay. That's the spirit. Correan Winnipeg,

2072
02:28:28.840 --> 02:28:31.280
writes. The look on the parquete
attendant's face when they heard the words tis

2073
02:28:31.760 --> 02:28:41.719
tis and is a coming out of
my car can't be described. Rick Cobos,

2074
02:28:41.760 --> 02:28:45.159
thanks for the pledge. Darby Kleimer, Thank you so much, Clay

2075
02:28:45.239 --> 02:28:48.479
Mark. Let's fucking get it.
Let's get that increased pledge. Let's taste

2076
02:28:48.520 --> 02:28:52.239
it, let's feel it, let's
experience it all together. Let's continue in

2077
02:28:52.239 --> 02:28:56.959
a twenty twenty three doing so.
Francis Bannaker, Thank you, Christopher Reader,

2078
02:28:58.200 --> 02:29:00.760
thank you so very much for the
vote of com and same to you,

2079
02:29:01.200 --> 02:29:03.040
Robert Reynolds. Mike Right. Shout
out to the coach here as tenh

2080
02:29:03.159 --> 02:29:07.440
was a ride. You both excelled
yourself again, Bravo. Thanks for the

2081
02:29:07.479 --> 02:29:11.840
incredible content. Cinemat has been incredible
during the teenage run. Also ps shout

2082
02:29:11.840 --> 02:29:16.079
out to Haystacks and the lapsed scribes
amazing, such a useful tool. It's

2083
02:29:16.120 --> 02:29:20.799
all starting to come together. Boss
Ruby nineteen ninety seven. Kurt Hull,

2084
02:29:20.360 --> 02:29:24.360
we're talking about and Rudd Balsa,
Robarnani, I'm again, I'm trying.

2085
02:29:24.399 --> 02:29:31.079
I'm trying. My friend Tiff now, thank you, Daniel Thorne, thank

2086
02:29:31.120 --> 02:29:33.760
you, even though I said your
name about four thousand times on this show,

2087
02:29:33.399 --> 02:29:37.680
and Jared Wolfe, thank you very
much, Adam two post, the

2088
02:29:37.680 --> 02:29:41.920
whole tenh Journey gets encapsulated from twenty
four two hours and forty eight seconds to

2089
02:29:41.959 --> 02:29:45.680
two hours and fifty one seconds on
this episode. Let's see which one he's

2090
02:29:45.680 --> 02:29:48.639
talking about. For those that want
a shorthand the brook knows best lost episode

2091
02:29:48.639 --> 02:29:52.079
we just dropped. He writes,
Jack is a stand in for the listener

2092
02:29:52.079 --> 02:29:54.879
of the ten Journey. He is
joyously intrigue and sucked in by the Wilhelms

2093
02:29:54.959 --> 02:30:00.479
scream oh yeah, yeah. This
takes him through a hellish, entertaining and

2094
02:30:00.520 --> 02:30:05.120
enlightening, horrific journey of hoganisms,
classic game show theme music, and iconic

2095
02:30:05.159 --> 02:30:09.239
sound bites. It ends, It
ends the way all journeys must end,

2096
02:30:09.559 --> 02:30:18.479
a single fucking gun shot, echoing
into and echoing into the endless void of

2097
02:30:18.520 --> 02:30:24.879
nothingness. This is the TLF way, the only doubt, the only way,

2098
02:30:26.920 --> 02:30:28.239
Paul writes, If Hulk ever drops
a leg again, after all we

2099
02:30:28.360 --> 02:30:33.040
learned about his back during ten h
I envisioned his entire body exploding like vinceus

2100
02:30:33.079 --> 02:30:39.479
Limo, Mike writes, episode two
thirty one, New Japan AGPWWWBS Wrestling Summit,

2101
02:30:39.520 --> 02:30:43.840
rediscovering the show. Can't stop laughing
at the birth of Lanny keeping an

2102
02:30:43.840 --> 02:30:48.319
eye on Liz while Randy is in
Japan. The co chairs nailed this improv

2103
02:30:48.360 --> 02:30:50.040
and Lanny watching a TV and the
ceiling comes up again and again. From

2104
02:30:50.040 --> 02:30:54.520
here on out, I haven't laughed
this much since twenty twenty when I first

2105
02:30:54.559 --> 02:30:56.000
heard it, heard it the first
time. Hashtag paint off the Pacific,

2106
02:30:56.280 --> 02:31:01.680
hashtag lapsed, hashtag lats, hash
tag in that ass, hashtag, shelf

2107
02:31:01.719 --> 02:31:05.639
life, hashtag Macho King, Jack
and JP. You just keep improving that

2108
02:31:05.760 --> 02:31:09.239
cast ages like a fine wine worth
every bit of money you have ever received

2109
02:31:09.280 --> 02:31:13.079
towards your work on that cast.
Thanks Mike, Yeah, thank you,

2110
02:31:13.159 --> 02:31:20.360
Gree, thank you. Have We
close with three rather poignant letters. First,

2111
02:31:20.200 --> 02:31:24.760
Yeah, you'd convey Ali's sentiments as
we can be. Got our summer

2112
02:31:24.799 --> 02:31:37.360
mail back, Brother, got that? Dude? What who? Brother?

2113
02:31:39.120 --> 02:31:46.200
What's going on? Dude? Took
a while to a rock it did,

2114
02:31:46.440 --> 02:31:54.159
took the long route. Brothers still
yesterday in Japan? Brother, we got

2115
02:31:54.200 --> 02:31:58.479
dialed it in. Dude, Hello
again. First, I wanted to start

2116
02:31:58.479 --> 02:32:03.959
this email by letting you guys know
that I'm writing this email on my phone

2117
02:32:05.440 --> 02:32:13.799
from a market basket. You have
Boss's attention. Go on. The first

2118
02:32:13.799 --> 02:32:18.360
email I ever sent to you guys
about the pod for tenh was from the

2119
02:32:18.399 --> 02:32:24.079
middle of absolute nowhere, also known
as the Rantham Outlet mall. I've been

2120
02:32:24.120 --> 02:32:28.120
there to refresh. It was the
email where I noted that I was first

2121
02:32:28.159 --> 02:32:31.959
exposed to sting in two thousand and
nine TNA as a kid. I heard

2122
02:32:33.000 --> 02:32:37.600
about your idea for Lapsed X coming
in twenty twenty four and thought now would

2123
02:32:37.600 --> 02:32:41.680
be a great time to let you
know how I found the podcast. The

2124
02:32:41.760 --> 02:32:48.879
year's twenty fifteen and WrestleMania thirty one
just happened in Seth seth rawllis, Let's

2125
02:32:48.879 --> 02:32:54.879
go with it. That's it.
Seth Rawlis had just one the w t

2126
02:32:54.959 --> 02:33:00.520
BE Championship. It was touted as
the heist of the century approximately four times

2127
02:33:00.520 --> 02:33:09.239
by Jibil and Michael Cole and Michael
Michel and Magil. Yeah, I guess.

2128
02:33:11.200 --> 02:33:13.680
For some reason, fourteen year old
me was gobsmacked that that was the

2129
02:33:13.719 --> 02:33:16.600
finish to the show. Not that
I hated it or anything, but I

2130
02:33:16.639 --> 02:33:20.799
was surprised that they took that route. So I got on my podcasting apps

2131
02:33:20.840 --> 02:33:28.239
because I wanted someone to hear some
people react or analyze what just happened.

2132
02:33:30.079 --> 02:33:35.799
And that's when I found you.
That's when fourteen year old me entered the

2133
02:33:35.840 --> 02:33:37.879
Solar system. I listened, and
I thought, Hey, these guys are

2134
02:33:37.879 --> 02:33:41.879
pretty funny. Have these guys done
anything else? Whoa boy? Was I

2135
02:33:41.959 --> 02:33:50.440
in for a surprise. They they
talked about every WrestleMania for thirty weeks straight

2136
02:33:50.479 --> 02:33:56.360
and for like eight hours each I'm
in and there I was in high school

2137
02:33:56.399 --> 02:34:00.079
in the Greater Boston area, listening. Almost every day of the journey.

2138
02:34:00.719 --> 02:34:05.200
I would watch WrestleMania and then listen
to analysis unlike any other from you guys.

2139
02:34:05.680 --> 02:34:11.680
Each time I knew, each time, I knew I had a home.

2140
02:34:13.840 --> 02:34:16.360
One of my favorite moments was realizing
that laps Vince wasn't actually Vince.

2141
02:34:16.399 --> 02:34:20.479
No, seriously, I really thought
you had him on the pod from my

2142
02:34:20.600 --> 02:34:24.200
first yearfless thing. Oh that's ridiculous. No way did he believe that.

2143
02:34:24.360 --> 02:34:26.799
I honestly, God, thought you
had him in the booth. Say the

2144
02:34:26.840 --> 02:34:33.159
White House is about to be the
goddamn mcmahonhouse on the No Mercy two thousand

2145
02:34:33.239 --> 02:34:39.120
two pod. Another favorite moment of
mine was realizing that you guys were from

2146
02:34:39.120 --> 02:34:43.600
around here, which was when you
mentioned the Kowloon. I can't, for

2147
02:34:43.639 --> 02:34:48.000
the life of me remember when you
guys mentioned it, but I gasped,

2148
02:34:48.559 --> 02:34:52.600
Oh my god, these guys are
from here. We mentioned it until aw

2149
02:34:52.799 --> 02:34:58.520
did a skit there. I mean
we mentioned it that every time we can.

2150
02:34:58.239 --> 02:35:01.159
I have no idea why the mention
of Kowloon was a dead giveaway and

2151
02:35:01.239 --> 02:35:07.159
not the universities you guys attended.
All we attended the same one. But

2152
02:35:07.360 --> 02:35:09.840
that's sorry. But I guess I
thought to myself that no one would mention

2153
02:35:09.879 --> 02:35:16.000
anything from Saugus otherwise that mall over
there is incredibly depressing. Now, ye

2154
02:35:16.319 --> 02:35:24.799
mark Market Square mall I don't know. I'm I don't know the area outside

2155
02:35:24.840 --> 02:35:28.879
of Kowloon, and they're roast beef
place. That's all I know there.

2156
02:35:28.920 --> 02:35:33.559
That's all I go there for.
Would it make you happy to know that

2157
02:35:33.639 --> 02:35:39.280
I passed the steroid section of my
pharmacology class from flying Colors as I'm in

2158
02:35:39.360 --> 02:35:43.600
school in the health sciences field.
At the trial of his life exposed me

2159
02:35:43.639 --> 02:35:46.520
to the world of anabolic way before
I picked up my four hundred dollars text

2160
02:35:46.600 --> 02:35:52.120
buks Oh, I love it.
Oh God, that's that's that's fucking phenomenal.

2161
02:35:54.239 --> 02:35:56.799
Would it make you happy to know
that I have that? I also

2162
02:35:56.840 --> 02:36:00.000
have uttered the phrase, brother,
what at things that have nothing to do

2163
02:36:00.079 --> 02:36:03.000
with wrestling. For example, my
very recently, my mom had his hat

2164
02:36:03.040 --> 02:36:07.600
on CNN in the background and the
news was talking about Global matters newscaster.

2165
02:36:09.000 --> 02:36:13.040
Today, President Biden holds a joint
press conference with the President of Finland and

2166
02:36:13.559 --> 02:36:18.319
me out loud, brother, what
Finland dude? Exactly? What the fuck

2167
02:36:18.360 --> 02:36:26.760
is that sposed to mean? Ran
exactly as Finish brother? What ill Finn

2168
02:36:26.840 --> 02:36:31.239
dude? Right, Luca brother,
the Finn brother? What's going on?

2169
02:36:31.319 --> 02:36:39.799
Du what? I think you guys
have helped shape the way I view wrestling,

2170
02:36:39.879 --> 02:36:43.440
or maybe grasp a deeper understanding of
what this industry actually is. I

2171
02:36:43.440 --> 02:36:46.239
think other podcasts or wrestling out let's
totally missed the points that you nail right

2172
02:36:46.280 --> 02:36:50.559
on the head, whether it be
about the past or present. To end,

2173
02:36:50.639 --> 02:36:54.280
I finally understand why hul Cogan is
probably the most important wrestler of our

2174
02:36:54.280 --> 02:36:58.399
time and yet means nothing. Wow, isn't that damn? I should have

2175
02:36:58.440 --> 02:37:01.760
consulted for the go home material?
Yeah? Right, that's pretty much yet

2176
02:37:01.840 --> 02:37:07.840
right there, that's that's what TNH
helped us confess. Yes, how he

2177
02:37:07.959 --> 02:37:13.319
rose to such heights and still failed. I'm sure Michael Jordan means something to

2178
02:37:13.360 --> 02:37:18.079
the twenty four year old NBA player
right now. I'm sure Joe Montana or

2179
02:37:18.159 --> 02:37:20.520
Jerry Rice means something to the twenty
four year old NFL player right now.

2180
02:37:20.799 --> 02:37:24.399
Do you think that Hulk Hogan means
anything to the twenty four year old wrestler

2181
02:37:24.520 --> 02:37:30.280
at the moment. No, it's
Sean Michael's and Triple H. Would it

2182
02:37:30.319 --> 02:37:33.680
break your heart that when I attended
a one day wrestling fantasy camp in North

2183
02:37:33.719 --> 02:37:43.200
Andover the one Sasha Banks and Camello, Carmelo Hayes, who's in He's the

2184
02:37:43.319 --> 02:37:50.520
NXT champion, I don't okay train
and yes, I took a bump,

2185
02:37:52.040 --> 02:37:56.639
and of thirty or so attendees,
not a single future wrestler said Hulk Hogan

2186
02:37:56.719 --> 02:38:01.239
was their favorite or most influential.
One asked, I think we know why

2187
02:38:01.280 --> 02:38:05.840
Hulcog ultimately failed and through teenage we
grappled with it. Yes, thanks for

2188
02:38:05.879 --> 02:38:13.000
everything, and here's two more.
That's a powerful one. Yep, yep,

2189
02:38:13.360 --> 02:38:18.760
yep. Just the thought of like
you know, because there's no there's

2190
02:38:18.799 --> 02:38:24.120
no better education in steroids than Vince
McMahon's trial because Jerry mcdevit researched it more

2191
02:38:24.280 --> 02:38:28.879
closely and more cynically than anyone ever
had. He attacked the literature, He

2192
02:38:28.920 --> 02:38:31.319
attacked it with a legal, legal
eye, and he said, you know

2193
02:38:31.399 --> 02:38:35.159
what, Yes, I'm not going
to allow anybody to get away with these

2194
02:38:35.319 --> 02:38:46.440
generalizations and these correlations being affixed to
causations and the frankly, I mean,

2195
02:38:46.479 --> 02:38:50.200
we know by the time he was
done right that it was like these steroid

2196
02:38:50.239 --> 02:38:54.280
experts, they don't know what they
want steroids, or at least I know

2197
02:38:54.639 --> 02:39:01.120
they've gotten away for so long with
just attitudes, with just like broad strokes

2198
02:39:01.799 --> 02:39:05.120
and in a white coat. And
when really put to the test, well,

2199
02:39:05.159 --> 02:39:09.719
how do you know that, doctor, they crumbled, Yes, they

2200
02:39:09.760 --> 02:39:16.959
crumbled because you know, because it
started, it started to collide, It

2201
02:39:16.040 --> 02:39:22.719
started to collide with the legal ramifications
of trafficking and possessing this stuff. If

2202
02:39:22.719 --> 02:39:26.840
you're gonna put somebody in jail for
possessing antibolic steroids, like you, what

2203
02:39:26.920 --> 02:39:30.959
are they're possessing cocaine, you better
be ready to get on that fucking stand

2204
02:39:30.959 --> 02:39:35.719
and explain why that deserves to.
It's like, you know, they they

2205
02:39:35.159 --> 02:39:41.079
they, It's it's like they didn't
realize too that they needed to learn more

2206
02:39:41.159 --> 02:39:46.000
than just what they needed to learn
from a medical perspective. It never occurred

2207
02:39:46.040 --> 02:39:50.479
to them that this this moment was
coming right where well, how do you

2208
02:39:50.600 --> 02:39:54.319
know? That? Would be asked? And I can't think man of a

2209
02:39:54.399 --> 02:39:58.079
better education than that, because you
can study all the medical literature you want

2210
02:39:58.520 --> 02:40:03.319
and that, and you know,
while it's it's very scientifically sound and there

2211
02:40:03.360 --> 02:40:05.239
is rigor to it and peer reviewed
rigor, it is a big circle jerk.

2212
02:40:07.239 --> 02:40:11.120
Yes, oh yeah. It is
people who can afford to be wrong

2213
02:40:11.239 --> 02:40:15.280
within their little circle and then you
know, just keep going. It's like

2214
02:40:15.360 --> 02:40:18.840
you know pundits on television who product
every election wrong, yet sometime somehow they're

2215
02:40:18.879 --> 02:40:22.760
always still at the desk on election
night making predictions or and the run up

2216
02:40:22.799 --> 02:40:26.639
to them. Yeah, yep.
And Jeremy McDevitt said, fuck this,

2217
02:40:26.879 --> 02:40:31.200
I'm going to do public records requests
of the meetings that the FDA had when

2218
02:40:31.200 --> 02:40:35.040
they decided this stuff should be illegal, and realize that they couldn't even get

2219
02:40:35.040 --> 02:40:39.600
their ship together then, that they
didn't even really know what they were voting

2220
02:40:39.639 --> 02:40:45.959
for then that the label indications for
this stuff left so many venues open for

2221
02:40:46.000 --> 02:40:50.479
physicians to make wide open interpretations about
when and how they could prescribe this stuff

2222
02:40:50.479 --> 02:40:54.159
that it kind of was a joke. Amazing, And that's the stuff that

2223
02:40:54.559 --> 02:40:56.840
sort it comes down to. You
can study all the medicine and all the

2224
02:40:56.879 --> 02:41:01.200
science you want, but what matters
is when someone sues you for killing motherfucker's

2225
02:41:01.319 --> 02:41:05.959
or for ruining lives. That's right, And what can you say under the

2226
02:41:05.959 --> 02:41:09.639
pressure of the law, And what
can't you say categorically under the pressure of

2227
02:41:09.680 --> 02:41:13.840
the law? Ye ironically, I
mean, and I think I'll leave figured

2228
02:41:13.879 --> 02:41:16.319
it out. You want to study
medicine, study the law first on malpractice.

2229
02:41:16.879 --> 02:41:24.000
That's exactly right, exactly right.
Who is God? I'm having a

2230
02:41:24.000 --> 02:41:37.040
hell of a time entertain people for
a second? Hold on, uh okay,

2231
02:41:33.760 --> 02:41:43.639
who thank you? I couldn't remember
his name. And so when doctor

2232
02:41:43.680 --> 02:41:52.159
Gary Waddler gets up there, oh
my god, I'm coming. That's fucking

2233
02:41:52.159 --> 02:41:58.479
Goodddler John and Nashville second to last
penultimate email. Give it to him,

2234
02:41:58.600 --> 02:42:01.719
dear coach heirs, I write the
scene to you after a long silence.

2235
02:42:03.879 --> 02:42:05.399
Years ago, I called him too
the Wrestlemaning thirty one show and had the

2236
02:42:05.399 --> 02:42:11.639
privilege of hearing laps to Vince Firing
Tony Chavanney while Tony said front leg back

2237
02:42:11.799 --> 02:42:16.879
kick. I have also written in
a couple of times, once about Rick

2238
02:42:16.920 --> 02:42:20.079
Flair calling me a fat boy as
a kid at Uncensored nineteen ninety five,

2239
02:42:20.639 --> 02:42:24.600
the other about the tragedy of losing
my daughter Kate at twenty three weeks in

2240
02:42:24.680 --> 02:42:28.719
the hospital while at the same time
listening to your coverage of the tragedy of

2241
02:42:28.760 --> 02:42:33.520
world Class. That's bad timing,
man. I went away for a while.

2242
02:42:33.559 --> 02:42:35.440
I'll stopped listening. I was not
only a freeloading bitch, but I

2243
02:42:35.479 --> 02:42:39.719
didn't keep up. I'm not proud
of that. Life changed and time moved

2244
02:42:39.719 --> 02:42:46.680
on. I came back during the
Black Saturday coverage and loved it. Hours

2245
02:42:46.040 --> 02:42:52.120
and hours of coverage of something that
happened in nineteen eighty three Bollie Anderson for

2246
02:42:52.159 --> 02:42:56.159
twenty plus hours being a mean prick. Count me the fuck in. Never

2247
02:42:56.239 --> 02:43:01.559
would I again, Never again would
I negle this podcast to be there we

2248
02:43:01.600 --> 02:43:09.559
go. Ben twenty twenty three came
around and something happened as you were covering

2249
02:43:09.600 --> 02:43:13.360
the TNH series my wife became pregnant
again and unfortunately lost the baby at t

2250
02:43:15.399 --> 02:43:22.639
Fuck dude, Jesus Christ. Oh
shit, it's odd how the Laps journey

2251
02:43:22.840 --> 02:43:26.959
has gotten me through my own triumphs
and tragedies. Yeah, you've been there

2252
02:43:26.000 --> 02:43:30.520
for me since I was newly married
in twenty fifteen, and you're you're there

2253
02:43:30.520 --> 02:43:35.079
for me still even in darker times. I may be a freeloading bitch,

2254
02:43:35.120 --> 02:43:37.760
but I will say this, I
plan to change that. What you do

2255
02:43:37.840 --> 02:43:41.760
for people is not just a podcast, but it's an emotional journey of laughter,

2256
02:43:43.280 --> 02:43:46.200
shock and awe. You give us
all something in our life we also

2257
02:43:46.280 --> 02:43:50.719
desperately seek and want that we don't
get from these other se Tier want to

2258
02:43:50.799 --> 02:43:56.079
be chump ass podcasts. No other
show makes me laugh as much, say

2259
02:43:56.159 --> 02:44:01.600
brother, randomly or deep or dive
so deep I lose track of time.

2260
02:44:01.360 --> 02:44:05.399
So I don't know what the future
holds for you, but I can't wait.

2261
02:44:05.479 --> 02:44:07.319
Brother. So, from the bottom
of my heart, as I write

2262
02:44:07.319 --> 02:44:13.719
this email and stuff my face with
Panda express the drive through, what man,

2263
02:44:13.840 --> 02:44:16.079
I didn't I didn't know what you
got? What'd you get? That's

2264
02:44:16.120 --> 02:44:20.639
the question. Thank you for the
memories, Thank you for the journeys and

2265
02:44:20.760 --> 02:44:26.559
thank you for all comania. Thank
you, sorry for all the difficulties,

2266
02:44:26.639 --> 02:44:33.399
John Dude seriously like, ah,
I'm I am, I'm deeply sorry.

2267
02:44:33.600 --> 02:44:37.159
But as we as we cast you
know, if if we can, Yeah,

2268
02:44:37.559 --> 02:44:41.799
being being of value to you is
enough reason to do the show.

2269
02:44:41.479 --> 02:44:45.399
Yeah, that goes for you totally
and for totally and for you, that's

2270
02:44:45.399 --> 02:44:48.920
always going to be enough for us. Finally, from the mail Bag this

2271
02:44:48.959 --> 02:44:54.000
week, before we kick it over
to our interview with Lapsman Solar System member

2272
02:44:54.079 --> 02:45:00.559
Fred representing on the Wheel of Fortune
stage, we turned to Alastair's missive entitled

2273
02:45:01.479 --> 02:45:07.200
Wrestling was just ahead of the curve
to co chairs. I have listened to

2274
02:45:07.239 --> 02:45:13.319
the Lapsed Fan for a few years, and I've always been content just to

2275
02:45:13.360 --> 02:45:18.479
be a freeloading listener. However,
as I listened to some comments you made

2276
02:45:18.479 --> 02:45:22.559
on the Summer twenty twenty three mail
Bag episode themselves echoing comments you've made in

2277
02:45:22.600 --> 02:45:28.120
plenty of other shows down through the
years, something resonated with me strongly enough

2278
02:45:28.760 --> 02:45:33.920
that I felt almost compelled to write
in you talked about how wrestling fans are

2279
02:45:33.920 --> 02:45:39.959
obsessed with ratings, pay per view
by rates, merchandise sales, and all

2280
02:45:39.000 --> 02:45:43.200
that stuff. How that sometimes it
seems, indeed to be the main vector

2281
02:45:43.239 --> 02:45:46.319
of their fandom, more than anything
that happens in the ring or on the

2282
02:45:46.319 --> 02:45:50.000
screen, the one thing they want
to talk about, And how this is

2283
02:45:50.040 --> 02:45:56.040
not something you see in any other
form of entertainment. I have to say

2284
02:45:56.559 --> 02:46:01.159
that I don't completely agree. M
Maybe fans are uniquely obsessed with ratings,

2285
02:46:01.159 --> 02:46:05.399
but for the most part, I
think wrestling and its fans just beat everything

2286
02:46:05.399 --> 02:46:11.600
else to the punch. For example, look at movies. I want to

2287
02:46:11.639 --> 02:46:15.440
share something Martin Scorsese said in an
interview in twenty seventeen, which I think

2288
02:46:15.479 --> 02:46:20.719
illustrates what I mean. When I
was young, box office reports were confined

2289
02:46:20.120 --> 02:46:28.000
to industry journals like the Hollywood Reporter. Now I'm afraid that they've become everything.

2290
02:46:28.079 --> 02:46:33.719
Yeah, box office is the undercurrent
and almost all discussions of cinema,

2291
02:46:33.799 --> 02:46:39.360
and frequently it's more than just an
undercurrent. The brutal judgmentalism that has made

2292
02:46:39.399 --> 02:46:46.360
opening weekend grosses into a bloodthirsty spectator's
sport. Ye seems to have encouraged an

2293
02:46:46.360 --> 02:46:52.799
even more brutal approach to film reviewing. Talking about market research firms like Cinema

2294
02:46:52.879 --> 02:46:56.639
Score which started in the late seventies, and online aggregators like Rotten Tomatoes,

2295
02:46:56.639 --> 02:47:03.479
which have absolutely nothing to do with
real film criticism. They have everything too.

2296
02:47:03.479 --> 02:47:07.920
It's not true with the movie business
and absolutely yeah, yeah, I

2297
02:47:07.959 --> 02:47:09.559
guess, I mean, I guess
I don't know about it. I mean

2298
02:47:09.639 --> 02:47:11.440
Rotten Tomatoes, I don't. I
don't know. Maybe I don't understand what

2299
02:47:11.479 --> 02:47:15.239
he's what he's what he's saying here. But like Rotten Tomatoes, is uh,

2300
02:47:16.040 --> 02:47:20.159
you just a place to see what
people say about movies. And it's

2301
02:47:20.200 --> 02:47:24.000
usually I mean, yeah, it
includes some people that may not be considered

2302
02:47:24.079 --> 02:47:31.079
like real film critics that you could
consider to be you know, uh jokes.

2303
02:47:31.159 --> 02:47:37.639
But there's also there are also legit
critics on there from legit publications.

2304
02:47:37.760 --> 02:47:41.920
Sure, And that's the difference,
right between the Tomatoes rating and the other

2305
02:47:41.959 --> 02:47:48.879
one. Isn't there some kind of
delineation between professional critics and the well,

2306
02:47:48.920 --> 02:47:52.159
I mean, you know, I
mean, I just I just think of

2307
02:47:52.159 --> 02:47:56.280
credibility, like I'm always going to
turn to somebody from a newspaper before I

2308
02:47:56.280 --> 02:47:58.559
turn to something. I get that. But isn't there a different way of

2309
02:47:58.719 --> 02:48:05.120
tracking the score of what critics say
versus what the masses. Yeah. Yeah,

2310
02:48:05.159 --> 02:48:09.319
But that's the thing. It has
both there. It gives you an

2311
02:48:09.319 --> 02:48:13.040
audience review and it also gives you, um, the critics. What the

2312
02:48:13.040 --> 02:48:18.159
critics say. I think what he's
saying is completely set aside. The professional

2313
02:48:18.159 --> 02:48:22.239
critics on Rotten Tomatoes. Those that's
not who he's talking Those are the people

2314
02:48:22.280 --> 02:48:24.840
he, you know, considers legitimate
and who've always had a voice. But

2315
02:48:24.959 --> 02:48:28.360
what a platform like Rotten Tomatoes does, what a platform like any internet sort

2316
02:48:28.360 --> 02:48:37.479
of public yes, is it turns
us from fans into critics, Yes,

2317
02:48:37.959 --> 02:48:45.079
yep. And it does that because
we have the means to broadcast our opinions

2318
02:48:45.520 --> 02:48:48.479
in an instant, which we never
did and you know twenty thirty years ago

2319
02:48:48.559 --> 02:48:54.360
when he was first making film.
And it sounds democratic and it is,

2320
02:48:56.479 --> 02:48:58.639
and we shouldn't run from what people
say about us when given the means to

2321
02:48:58.680 --> 02:49:03.760
communicate their thoughts far and wide.
But what does happen, I'm afraid,

2322
02:49:07.360 --> 02:49:16.399
is that those platforms and the availability
of that platform changes the viewer. It

2323
02:49:16.479 --> 02:49:22.520
gives them a different reason to watch
film, a reason that is built up

2324
02:49:22.879 --> 02:49:33.200
in their own idea of themselves and
not of the work. It's about how

2325
02:49:33.239 --> 02:49:41.959
can I channel this latest bit of
consumption into my perceived persona online because if

2326
02:49:43.000 --> 02:49:48.000
you're good enough at sling in your
opinions, eventually the follower account gets up,

2327
02:49:48.959 --> 02:49:54.600
the engagement metrics get high, and
we know it's something worth chasing because

2328
02:49:54.639 --> 02:50:01.280
we see so many scream into a
void with no positive re forcement, people

2329
02:50:01.319 --> 02:50:05.280
tweeting twelve times a day with no
followers. What are they doing, what

2330
02:50:05.360 --> 02:50:09.879
are they chasing? What are they
trying to see happen? And if those

2331
02:50:09.879 --> 02:50:16.600
people suddenly get six hundred thousand followers
and all those people expect them to say

2332
02:50:16.719 --> 02:50:22.600
witty, sardonic things about film,
do you think they're ever going to be

2333
02:50:22.639 --> 02:50:26.479
able to enjoy a movie again?
Or is it now? Have we found

2334
02:50:26.479 --> 02:50:37.399
a way to make everything we love
work without getting paid for that work that

2335
02:50:37.559 --> 02:50:39.079
used to be the thing. Right, don't pursue your passion as a profession

2336
02:50:39.159 --> 02:50:43.280
because eventually you'll start to see it
as work. And yep, we did

2337
02:50:43.280 --> 02:50:48.520
it to ourselves. We did it
to ourselves. Around restaurants where we're thinking

2338
02:50:48.559 --> 02:50:54.719
more about how to frame this on
Yelp than we are about what we're putting

2339
02:50:54.760 --> 02:50:58.239
in our mouths. We're saying things
like m M and you can you can

2340
02:50:58.280 --> 02:51:05.920
really taste the tartness come through with
the sweetness. We're imitating these vapid,

2341
02:51:07.159 --> 02:51:11.680
useless people on like Food Network who
were performing the act of eating. Yeah,

2342
02:51:13.040 --> 02:51:18.120
who care way more about the brand
name of the clothes they're wearing while

2343
02:51:18.159 --> 02:51:22.879
they eat than what they're eating.
Who get pampered on a set for three

2344
02:51:22.920 --> 02:51:26.600
hours so that they can eat a
little piece of steak and make a face

2345
02:51:26.680 --> 02:51:33.600
that makes us think they taste something
we don't. We made everything work,

2346
02:51:35.200 --> 02:51:39.639
but we don't get paid for it. Right. We made everything work and

2347
02:51:39.719 --> 02:51:46.120
took on the responsibility ourselves to make
people notice it and feel like it's a

2348
02:51:46.120 --> 02:51:54.399
fair bargain. When we who have
no skills and getting noticed failed to do

2349
02:51:54.479 --> 02:52:01.479
that, I think it's a fair
trade. We have indourability to enjoy things,

2350
02:52:01.760 --> 02:52:05.799
is I think what he's saying.
They had everything to do with the

2351
02:52:05.799 --> 02:52:09.399
movie business and absolutely nothing to do
with either the creation or the intelligence viewing

2352
02:52:09.399 --> 02:52:11.760
of film. He Scorsese said,
yea of running Tomatoes, the filmmakers,

2353
02:52:11.799 --> 02:52:16.799
I will say, you know,
I used to I will say I used

2354
02:52:16.840 --> 02:52:22.559
to love back when. I'd say
when I was a teenager and I first

2355
02:52:24.520 --> 02:52:30.360
subscribe to Entertainment Weekly. One of
my favorite things to do when the magazine

2356
02:52:30.360 --> 02:52:37.600
would come in was to turn to
the back and look at the box office

2357
02:52:37.600 --> 02:52:41.959
reports. I love doing this.
I wanted so badly the movies that I

2358
02:52:43.040 --> 02:52:50.000
liked to make money. I wanted
them to have been moss a success.

2359
02:52:50.840 --> 02:52:54.360
Why wasn't it enough that you just
love the movie? I know, I

2360
02:52:54.479 --> 02:52:58.639
know, right? Why do I
need the validation of other people going to

2361
02:52:58.680 --> 02:53:03.479
see it? D dinging? Is
this about me enjoying the movie? Or

2362
02:53:03.559 --> 02:53:09.959
is this about my idea of myself
as someone that can And do I have

2363
02:53:11.040 --> 02:53:13.840
to hate everybody for not seeing it
as I see it? Or do I

2364
02:53:13.000 --> 02:53:18.200
celebrate with everybody for seeing it as
I see it. I've talked about this

2365
02:53:18.239 --> 02:53:20.680
before when Floyd Mayweather fought Oscarde Lajoya
in two thousand and seven, which to

2366
02:53:20.760 --> 02:53:26.040
that time absolutely smashed every pay per
view record there ever, was on the

2367
02:53:26.079 --> 02:53:28.920
back of the innovative HBO twenty four
seven documentary format of Hype, where they

2368
02:53:30.000 --> 02:53:35.680
followed both guys and their training camp
and through testimonials and through thousand and seven.

2369
02:53:35.639 --> 02:53:41.159
I remember this and I pulled together
all the twenty four seven episodes and

2370
02:53:41.319 --> 02:53:43.319
the fight was that night, and
it was all Sports Center was talking about.

2371
02:53:43.360 --> 02:53:46.159
It was pretty much the last time, with the exception I think of

2372
02:53:46.200 --> 02:53:52.639
Mayweather versus McGregor and to some degree
Mayweather versus Pacquiao, where the whole sports

2373
02:53:52.639 --> 02:53:56.040
world cared about a fight and that
was it. Every other sport didn't better.

2374
02:53:56.040 --> 02:53:58.159
It was the seventies and the sixties
all over again for one night,

2375
02:54:00.200 --> 02:54:03.280
and I pulled together all those episodes
and I sat down folks in my immediate

2376
02:54:03.360 --> 02:54:09.399
circle and who could care less about
boxing, yep, and I put on

2377
02:54:09.440 --> 02:54:13.840
the twenty four seven episodes. By
the time those were over, YEP,

2378
02:54:13.719 --> 02:54:18.680
they wanted nothing. They would have
done anything to see if Floyd succeeded or

2379
02:54:18.680 --> 02:54:24.159
failed. They sat through the drudgery
of hours long prelimbs that boxing pay per

2380
02:54:24.239 --> 02:54:26.920
views can put you through, the
torture sessions, especially on the East Coast,

2381
02:54:26.959 --> 02:54:30.079
because they were in Vegas and you're
waiting till, like, you know,

2382
02:54:30.360 --> 02:54:33.000
twelve thirty for the fight you bought
this whole thing for to hit the

2383
02:54:33.040 --> 02:54:37.440
ring and the show starts at seven
just but they but you had you had

2384
02:54:37.479 --> 02:54:43.159
to see if Floyd Mayweather was going
to be shut up. You had to

2385
02:54:43.159 --> 02:54:46.360
see if this guy that you were
only just becoming aware of his greatness actually

2386
02:54:46.399 --> 02:54:48.159
had it when he went up against
the last boxer you ever heard of,

2387
02:54:48.200 --> 02:54:50.879
in Oscar de la Hoya, And
for of course the Mexican fans, the

2388
02:54:50.959 --> 02:55:01.440
national hero, right. And why
did I enjoy that situation in that fight

2389
02:55:01.559 --> 02:55:05.360
so much more because other people were
telling me it was worthy of my attention,

2390
02:55:07.440 --> 02:55:09.959
And I would have enjoyed it if
I watched it by myself and nobody

2391
02:55:09.000 --> 02:55:13.600
wanted to come over and see the
fight. Yep, there's something there.

2392
02:55:15.360 --> 02:55:18.920
Yeah, there's some truth there for
sure, and it had no small part

2393
02:55:18.959 --> 02:55:22.520
explains I think on why we're going
on our tenth year. Scar says,

2394
02:55:22.520 --> 02:55:26.639
he said the filmmaker is reduced to
a content manufacturer and the viewer to an

2395
02:55:26.719 --> 02:55:33.120
unadventurous consumer. Yes, Alastair writes, and I don't think he's wrong.

2396
02:55:33.559 --> 02:55:37.520
I think this is what all popular
culture is like. Now. Fans don't

2397
02:55:37.559 --> 02:55:41.479
talk like fans anymore. They are
obsessed with money and number crunching. They

2398
02:55:41.479 --> 02:55:46.319
talk like they're at a shareholders meeting, or like they're consulting on the marketing,

2399
02:55:46.440 --> 02:55:50.440
or they're on the board of whatever
company or studio has produced the thing

2400
02:55:50.559 --> 02:55:54.079
they purport to love. When I
began using the Internet about twenty years ago.

2401
02:55:54.120 --> 02:55:56.760
I was a kid who wanted to
talk about stuff like Star Wars and

2402
02:55:56.799 --> 02:56:01.079
The Lord of the Rings movies,
but nobody about the Lord of the Rings

2403
02:56:01.120 --> 02:56:07.760
franchise, franchise and quotes. Nobody
cared about brands. They certainly never called

2404
02:56:07.799 --> 02:56:13.079
anything properties because we still thought we
had characters back then, not I p

2405
02:56:15.600 --> 02:56:18.799
h. Well that's where you that's
that's that's where you were, you know,

2406
02:56:18.959 --> 02:56:24.479
in your own delusion. We adopted
I mean, this is me talking

2407
02:56:24.520 --> 02:56:28.079
here. We adopted the language of
the people that were destroying the heart of

2408
02:56:28.120 --> 02:56:31.920
what we loved. Yes, because
we were taught that that's how we are

2409
02:56:31.959 --> 02:56:39.680
to think of it, simply because
it's the only redeeming quality people like that

2410
02:56:39.719 --> 02:56:43.000
can see in anything, the ability
to bleed money out of it, to

2411
02:56:43.079 --> 02:56:46.639
make more money off less than the
next thing. That's what we did with

2412
02:56:46.680 --> 02:56:50.559
our loves. We put them up
to that judgment and said, all right,

2413
02:56:50.399 --> 02:56:54.440
you're right, that's only worth enjoying
so much because look at what the

2414
02:56:54.479 --> 02:57:00.600
returns were. Of course, today, Alistair writes, those are the default

2415
02:57:00.680 --> 02:57:03.479
terms of engagement, which we as
fans, seem to have decided to use

2416
02:57:03.319 --> 02:57:07.639
anecdotally a short while ago. I
saw a conversation on Reddit in which one

2417
02:57:07.680 --> 02:57:11.159
participant said of the Lord of the
Rings that they were quote unquote reading the

2418
02:57:11.200 --> 02:57:18.719
franchise for the first time. Oh
my god, that's nauseating. Not reading

2419
02:57:18.760 --> 02:57:26.680
the books, reading the franchise.
I accept that it's just a shorthand term

2420
02:57:26.719 --> 02:57:28.520
people find useful, but I just
no, no, no, no,

2421
02:57:28.520 --> 02:57:31.000
no, no no, do not
accept that. That's where we're at.

2422
02:57:31.120 --> 02:57:35.319
We don't do not accept that.
We do not accept those things around here.

2423
02:57:35.360 --> 02:57:41.639
That's that's that is. That is
a jackass term. That's bullshit.

2424
02:57:41.719 --> 02:57:46.520
You know, podcast for four hundred
thousand hours ago to accept shit like that,

2425
02:57:48.079 --> 02:57:50.840
But I just can't help but feel
cynical about it. If sure,

2426
02:57:50.879 --> 02:57:56.239
only because the word franchise always makes
me think of fast food chains. Of

2427
02:57:56.239 --> 02:58:01.239
course, there's another truth. It
always comes back to food. I'm not

2428
02:58:01.319 --> 02:58:05.559
sure when it all changed, because
it just seemed to happen overnight. Alistair

2429
02:58:05.600 --> 02:58:09.479
writes. What I do know,
though, is that pro wrestling was there

2430
02:58:09.360 --> 02:58:16.079
first. Vince McMahon was there first
with his branded vehicular, predetermined sports influenced

2431
02:58:16.200 --> 02:58:24.399
premium live scripted episodic action, adventure, comedy entertainment product and Queen and Patterson

2432
02:58:24.399 --> 02:58:26.760
write that down. That's good.
I don't have an hour and a half.

2433
02:58:26.799 --> 02:58:31.520
Boss. Everyone else has followed his
lead, and not just in the

2434
02:58:31.559 --> 02:58:39.360
wrestling world, whether they know it
or not. Vince dictated the terms,

2435
02:58:39.479 --> 02:58:43.280
and the fans, even people who
aren't even wrestling fans, embraced them.

2436
02:58:43.319 --> 02:58:46.840
Having said all that, I don't
really have any conclusive thoughts on this topic.

2437
02:58:48.280 --> 02:58:50.639
I apologize if I've rambled, but
this is something I have found myself

2438
02:58:50.639 --> 02:58:54.079
thinking about a lot since that episode. It is what it is, and

2439
02:58:54.200 --> 02:59:01.920
nothing can change it. Being a
fan used to be better, that's for

2440
02:59:01.959 --> 02:59:07.920
sure. Coming up as friend,
We'll see you next time as we ramp

2441
02:59:07.000 --> 02:59:13.239
this thing back up on the Lapsed
Fan Wrestling podcast, Boss, We're accustomed

2442
02:59:13.239 --> 02:59:16.920
on these feedback shows to you know, celebrating milestones out there in the Lapsed

2443
02:59:16.920 --> 02:59:20.959
Fan Solar System. Folks let us
know when they have, you know,

2444
02:59:20.040 --> 02:59:24.120
big life events, positive and negative. You know, just had my first

2445
02:59:24.120 --> 02:59:26.920
baby, my dad just died,
I just got divorced, I just got

2446
02:59:26.920 --> 02:59:31.360
married, the whole thing. Yeah, And so we've become accustomed to and

2447
02:59:31.399 --> 02:59:35.680
sort of really enjoy celebrating with members
of the Solar system when cool things happen

2448
02:59:35.760 --> 02:59:39.600
to them In their lives, particularly
things that perhaps offer us a glimpse into

2449
02:59:39.600 --> 02:59:46.680
a world that Vietnam wrestling is still
kind of a Carney situation. And totally

2450
02:59:46.399 --> 02:59:50.280
we're always in the market, Boss
to understand Carneyism in whatever form it may

2451
02:59:50.319 --> 02:59:58.360
take. As much as we can. We want to understand Carney. And

2452
02:59:58.520 --> 03:00:01.959
of course it really is a television
camera that sends pro wrestlers into overdrive from

2453
03:00:01.959 --> 03:00:07.879
a court respective and you know what
what what closer perhaps cousin to the the

2454
03:00:07.959 --> 03:00:13.000
roots of studio wrestling than the television
game show Similarly, you know, taking

2455
03:00:13.000 --> 03:00:18.040
place in that small, closed set
with the audience that sort of pre screened

2456
03:00:18.079 --> 03:00:22.840
for an affinity for things that the
hosts you remember, And it might not

2457
03:00:22.879 --> 03:00:24.520
be Gordon Soli Boss, it might
be I don't know, Pat say Jack,

2458
03:00:24.879 --> 03:00:30.360
it could be. So I've always
wondered personally, what it's like to

2459
03:00:30.360 --> 03:00:35.040
get on Wheel of Fortune salesman selling
sale. We can make that work sometimes,

2460
03:00:35.079 --> 03:00:37.479
Yeah, we'll work on that,
Um, what it's like to get

2461
03:00:37.479 --> 03:00:39.319
on Wheel of Fortune? Of course, one of the longest running game shows

2462
03:00:39.360 --> 03:00:45.120
in history. And yes, fortunately
for us, UM a true blue member

2463
03:00:45.200 --> 03:00:48.399
of the Solar System. I think
even if a former opponent of yours across

2464
03:00:48.440 --> 03:00:50.760
the Ring and the Renaissance rumble,
Boss, not me, Boss Addison.

2465
03:00:52.079 --> 03:00:56.879
I'm a big fan of I'm a
big fan of of of of Fred.

2466
03:00:56.959 --> 03:00:58.959
But I know I know the other
guy, you know, Boss Axon,

2467
03:01:00.120 --> 03:01:03.040
not a fan. Yeah, I'm
not sure a purple parrot went on Wheel

2468
03:01:03.079 --> 03:01:05.120
of Fortune or Fred did, but
we do know that Fred is a long

2469
03:01:05.440 --> 03:01:11.440
long time supporter of the program and
a good friend and um he shared the

2470
03:01:11.559 --> 03:01:15.120
enthusiasm with us. Let's put it
that way in terms of right getting on

2471
03:01:15.200 --> 03:01:18.079
Wheel of Fortune. So while we're
taking sort of a break from the normal

2472
03:01:18.559 --> 03:01:22.040
uh sort of you know, show
by show treatment and diving into the mail

2473
03:01:22.079 --> 03:01:26.360
bag and celebrating the solar system as
we love to do as often as possible,

2474
03:01:26.399 --> 03:01:33.440
we've welcomed Fred on to talks recovering
also in recovery from from from TNA

2475
03:01:33.559 --> 03:01:35.799
and tnh oh yeah, anything,
right, exactly. Anything feels like a

2476
03:01:35.879 --> 03:01:39.760
vacation at this point if it doesn't
involve one, two or no leaf foaming

2477
03:01:39.760 --> 03:01:41.799
at the crotch and all the rest. But Fred, you're froman at the

2478
03:01:41.799 --> 03:01:52.079
crotch. Welcome back. Ah Hey, gentlemen, so great to be here

2479
03:01:52.120 --> 03:01:54.680
and great to talk to you guys
again. Yeah, definitely, definitely excited

2480
03:01:54.719 --> 03:01:58.159
about this. So let's start at
the beginning. Um, when did you

2481
03:01:58.200 --> 03:02:01.399
realize getting on to Wheel of Fortune
was a possibility and what steps did you

2482
03:02:01.440 --> 03:02:09.399
take? Yeah, it's always it's
always been a possibility, and I had

2483
03:02:09.440 --> 03:02:16.520
always thought about it. I don't
know, I guess. So I've sent

2484
03:02:16.600 --> 03:02:20.360
in the audition videos for game shows
in the past, like when they did

2485
03:02:20.360 --> 03:02:24.959
a revival of Card Sharks and I
think press your Luck. When they revived

2486
03:02:24.959 --> 03:02:28.559
the Legends of the Hidden Temple,
every single person in the world called me

2487
03:02:28.600 --> 03:02:33.000
and was like, you need to
be audition for this, of course and

2488
03:02:33.200 --> 03:02:37.000
I and I sent in a video. But they were looking for like online

2489
03:02:37.040 --> 03:02:43.440
influencers and musicians and you know,
basically the opposite of you know, the

2490
03:02:43.479 --> 03:02:46.879
great thing about game shows. But
enough about how WWE is hired in the

2491
03:02:46.879 --> 03:02:52.840
past few years, right Yeah,
yeah, um um, and Wheel of

2492
03:02:52.879 --> 03:02:54.639
Fortune was all I mean, that
was my first game show as a kid,

2493
03:02:54.680 --> 03:02:58.040
Like my mom, I said this
on the show. My mom said

2494
03:02:58.079 --> 03:03:01.600
my first words were a bi val
because they would just put me in front

2495
03:03:01.600 --> 03:03:07.120
of TV and I I dare say
that I learned the alphabet watching Wheel of

2496
03:03:07.120 --> 03:03:11.760
Fortune. Like the one. I
was a decidedly below average student in school,

2497
03:03:11.760 --> 03:03:15.879
but the one subject I always excelled
in was spelling because I knew what

2498
03:03:15.959 --> 03:03:20.559
matters. I would say confidently from
watching so much Wheel of Fortune. But

2499
03:03:20.440 --> 03:03:24.879
it is, like you said,
it's been on for forever, and it's

2500
03:03:24.959 --> 03:03:28.120
such a popular show, and you
know, so many people are trying to

2501
03:03:28.120 --> 03:03:31.440
get on it that I just thought, oh, like, I don't know,

2502
03:03:31.600 --> 03:03:35.760
realistically, it just didn't seem like
a possibility that they would pick little

2503
03:03:35.760 --> 03:03:41.920
old me. But then I was
in the middle of my first year teaching

2504
03:03:41.399 --> 03:03:46.440
and I saw an ad on Facebook
that said that they were looking for contestants

2505
03:03:46.440 --> 03:03:52.280
for Wheel of Fortunes WWE week,
and I thought, you know what,

2506
03:03:52.799 --> 03:03:56.440
I this has to be it because
I love Wheel. I'm I'm a huge

2507
03:03:56.440 --> 03:04:01.239
I'm a big wrestling fan. Like, there's the time has to borrow a

2508
03:04:01.319 --> 03:04:05.600
quote, The time is now?
Yes, So yeah, So they did

2509
03:04:05.600 --> 03:04:09.200
a ww week where they were going
to pair you know, contestants with wrestlers

2510
03:04:09.239 --> 03:04:13.520
and just you know, play the
game. And so I sent in an

2511
03:04:13.520 --> 03:04:16.840
audition video. So they have a
link on their website where you can fill

2512
03:04:16.840 --> 03:04:22.200
out an application and you just record
like a one minute video being like,

2513
03:04:22.280 --> 03:04:24.120
Hi, my name is so and
so I'm from here. Here's what I

2514
03:04:24.159 --> 03:04:28.479
do for a living. And then
specifically to the w week, they wanted

2515
03:04:28.520 --> 03:04:31.840
me to talk about which wrestler would
I want to be paired with and why?

2516
03:04:33.440 --> 03:04:37.000
And I mean, if I'm being
honest, I would have probably said,

2517
03:04:37.079 --> 03:04:41.879
like, I don't know, like
Stone Cold or somebody you know with

2518
03:04:41.239 --> 03:04:46.799
actual star power, But thinking realistically, they were gonna use, you know,

2519
03:04:46.000 --> 03:04:48.879
a more current crop of folks.
So I said the Miss, who

2520
03:04:48.920 --> 03:04:52.000
I'm a huge fan of and I
have a lot of respect for play.

2521
03:04:52.159 --> 03:04:56.239
Oh so you must have been the
one person who liked the the Semper Fold

2522
03:04:56.319 --> 03:05:03.079
journey. Then yes, absolutely,
absolutely. So I went on this really

2523
03:05:03.159 --> 03:05:05.639
cheesy thing where I was like,
I want to be partners with the Miss

2524
03:05:05.719 --> 03:05:11.159
because he is he plays hard,
he's aggressive, and he's and I ended,

2525
03:05:11.159 --> 03:05:16.200
of course by saying he's awesome.
Yes, So I sent in that

2526
03:05:16.319 --> 03:05:18.799
video with my application. And then
that's the thing about wrestling, by the

2527
03:05:18.840 --> 03:05:22.079
way, Fred, I'm glad you
said that it teaches you how to how

2528
03:05:22.120 --> 03:05:24.879
to tell them what they want to
hear, like, yes, I know

2529
03:05:24.920 --> 03:05:28.319
you're an actual Miss fan, but
you get my point, Like they've sort

2530
03:05:28.360 --> 03:05:31.079
of ingrained in you, like what
you're supposed to do to rise to an

2531
03:05:31.079 --> 03:05:35.680
occasion like this. It's very curious. Yeah, yeah, and Miss not

2532
03:05:35.680 --> 03:05:39.799
only am I am I a Miss
fan, but he's also the one guy

2533
03:05:39.920 --> 03:05:45.440
that bridges the gap of like back
when I was still watching regularly and now

2534
03:05:45.559 --> 03:05:50.000
where I pretty much don't watch at
all. So yeah, So that happened,

2535
03:05:50.040 --> 03:05:54.840
and then I think about a month
went by and I didn't hear anything,

2536
03:05:54.959 --> 03:05:58.680
and then they called me to schedule
an interview a few days later,

2537
03:05:58.360 --> 03:06:01.920
and so we did like a zoom
chat. It was me and two other

2538
03:06:03.959 --> 03:06:09.440
proSP prospective contestants who were interviewing with
one of the They have like a whole

2539
03:06:09.479 --> 03:06:15.239
contestant coordinating team of folks, and
so we they she talked to all of

2540
03:06:15.319 --> 03:06:20.360
us. We played like a little
mock version of the game where we just

2541
03:06:20.399 --> 03:06:24.639
had to solve a bunch of puzzles
and then we got to talk one on

2542
03:06:24.639 --> 03:06:26.799
one. And I don't know how
much of a fan, like how much

2543
03:06:26.799 --> 03:06:31.239
of a true wrestling fan this woman
was, but she knew who the Well

2544
03:06:31.280 --> 03:06:35.959
also Miss has been on Celebrity Wheel, so he's he's a face to them.

2545
03:06:37.000 --> 03:06:39.959
So we we just talked about she
you know, she really connected with

2546
03:06:41.280 --> 03:06:43.159
um. She was like, yeah, you know, I love how the

2547
03:06:43.239 --> 03:06:48.639
miss came from like Hollywood and reality
TV and really and worked his way through

2548
03:06:48.639 --> 03:06:52.079
the system and now he's successful.
And we talked about yeah, just wrestling,

2549
03:06:52.159 --> 03:06:58.399
and I was, you know,
I was a teacher still am,

2550
03:06:58.559 --> 03:07:05.959
and I think I think they enjoy
having like teachers, and they enjoy having

2551
03:07:05.000 --> 03:07:09.040
people who you can call like essential
workers. Like that's that's a story.

2552
03:07:09.079 --> 03:07:11.159
That's a really good story for them
to tell. I'm glad you said that,

2553
03:07:11.159 --> 03:07:13.079
because I'm gonna reveal a little something. I don't know if I've said

2554
03:07:13.079 --> 03:07:16.959
this before, Boss, I've ever
told you that I drove to an audition

2555
03:07:16.079 --> 03:07:18.959
for Who Wants to Be a Millionaire
w W audition? No, no,

2556
03:07:20.600 --> 03:07:24.159
yes, I was just like,
why why am I going to do this?

2557
03:07:24.479 --> 03:07:26.639
That's why I'm going to do this, because I don't know why I

2558
03:07:26.680 --> 03:07:31.040
would. So I drove there.
It was in Princeton, New Jersey.

2559
03:07:31.200 --> 03:07:33.360
This is like twelve years ago,
maybe third Cameron how long it was?

2560
03:07:35.639 --> 03:07:37.719
Yeah, just because I had the
day off the next day and I was

2561
03:07:37.719 --> 03:07:39.040
like, I'm gonna do this to
see what it's like. More than anything,

2562
03:07:39.319 --> 03:07:43.959
I honestly didn't. I don't know. Somewhere in the back of my

2563
03:07:43.000 --> 03:07:46.559
mind, I was like, because
I'm such a wrestling fanatic, I feel

2564
03:07:46.559 --> 03:07:48.479
like I can pick up that I
can sniff out in the room what they're

2565
03:07:48.479 --> 03:07:52.360
looking for. But I got there
playing the card. I think Fred played

2566
03:07:52.399 --> 03:07:54.000
of like I'm just a guy,
right, I'm just like a person who's

2567
03:07:54.440 --> 03:07:58.799
a workaday person that likes wrestling.
But then I don't know if you saw

2568
03:07:58.840 --> 03:08:01.239
this, Fred in your audition,
but process, which is it is just

2569
03:08:01.280 --> 03:08:05.559
the most human humanizing thing you can
imagine. I mean, just you know,

2570
03:08:05.040 --> 03:08:09.319
scores of people packed into a empty
hotel, you know, sort of

2571
03:08:11.000 --> 03:08:15.440
series of hotel function room areas,
and just like the least possible accommodations,

2572
03:08:15.479 --> 03:08:18.079
the least possible idea of how long
it's going to take, and just just

2573
03:08:18.079 --> 03:08:22.000
just you know what television is.
It reminds you that you're just like a

2574
03:08:22.040 --> 03:08:26.399
cog immediately. And so you're there
and all of a sudden, the guys

2575
03:08:26.399 --> 03:08:28.600
had the belts, and you could
tell like there's a bunch of fathers of

2576
03:08:28.680 --> 03:08:31.000
three with belts, and they're going
to go from those guys, you know

2577
03:08:31.040 --> 03:08:37.559
what I mean, Yeah, belts
and so I got up there and I

2578
03:08:37.559 --> 03:08:39.520
said a couple of things that even
what I said, I said, she

2579
03:08:39.559 --> 03:08:43.520
gave my background. They just wanted
to know, like where I was from,

2580
03:08:43.520 --> 03:08:46.840
and I just try to play it
like, you know, somebody that

2581
03:08:46.399 --> 03:08:50.879
would would be not exactly what they
would expect for a wrestling fan. I

2582
03:08:50.879 --> 03:08:54.159
thought that was the only card I
could play because I couldn't bounce off the

2583
03:08:54.200 --> 03:08:58.319
walls like these fucking morons that showed
up, you know. And I think

2584
03:08:58.319 --> 03:09:01.719
the guy they ended up picking was
really like personable and cool and stuff,

2585
03:09:01.760 --> 03:09:05.360
and he was really he was just
a guy that was just a WW fanatic

2586
03:09:05.399 --> 03:09:07.559
and just like a family man.
I didn't have kids at the time,

2587
03:09:07.559 --> 03:09:11.159
so I couldn't play that card.
And uh, and it was it was

2588
03:09:11.200 --> 03:09:13.920
interesting to see through from soup to
nuts see what actually made it on TV.

2589
03:09:13.040 --> 03:09:16.399
Your experience then, Fred, is
that, well you knew that wheel

2590
03:09:16.399 --> 03:09:20.719
of fortune like to have teachers on
or or did that just work out for

2591
03:09:20.760 --> 03:09:22.959
you or did you come in knowing
that would work? It was that like

2592
03:09:22.000 --> 03:09:26.120
a realization of a strategy. Yeah, it was. It was one of

2593
03:09:26.159 --> 03:09:30.680
a few cards that I played that
I think worked in my favor. They.

2594
03:09:30.760 --> 03:09:33.360
I mean, I know they liked
teachers because they have done teacher weeks,

2595
03:09:33.479 --> 03:09:37.520
like they have done weeks of tapings
exclusively for teachers. There is the

2596
03:09:37.959 --> 03:09:41.799
actually there's a teacher who actually teach
us right down the street from where I'm

2597
03:09:41.799 --> 03:09:46.680
living right now, right here,
right outside DC. She is a middle

2598
03:09:46.719 --> 03:09:50.879
school math teacher, and she's the
most recent person on the show to win

2599
03:09:50.959 --> 03:09:54.920
one million dollars. Wow. WHOA, So that's that's a that's a pretty

2600
03:09:54.920 --> 03:10:01.399
fun story to tell. But yeah, I also I played there. I

2601
03:10:01.719 --> 03:10:03.079
did. I had a lot of
little tricks. So we did the zoom

2602
03:10:03.280 --> 03:10:09.280
the interview in my classroom, and
I made sure before the interview that I

2603
03:10:09.440 --> 03:10:13.440
printed out there's like a I think
it's on word Finder. There's a web

2604
03:10:13.440 --> 03:10:18.159
page you can go to where you
can enter in text and it comes up

2605
03:10:18.879 --> 03:10:22.879
in the Wheel of Fortune puzzle board, and you can also like whatever the

2606
03:10:22.920 --> 03:10:24.680
custom texts, and then you can
also give it like a category title.

2607
03:10:24.959 --> 03:10:28.920
So I printed out the Wheel of
Fortune puzzle board. The category was cool

2608
03:10:30.040 --> 03:10:33.559
Drama teacher, and the text in
the puzzle was mister Fletcher, which is

2609
03:10:33.559 --> 03:10:35.600
that's my last name, And I
put that. I put that right behind

2610
03:10:35.639 --> 03:10:39.520
my head as we were interviewing and
pointed it out and they were like,

2611
03:10:39.520 --> 03:10:43.879
oh, that's so cool. Um, so I did that. We talked

2612
03:10:43.879 --> 03:10:46.360
about teaching, we talked about wrestling, we talked I love it, that's

2613
03:10:46.479 --> 03:10:50.559
right. And we talked about the
fact that I grew up in Saverna Park,

2614
03:10:50.600 --> 03:10:54.280
which is right where pat say Jack
lives. Oh wow, my friend.

2615
03:10:54.680 --> 03:10:58.040
So we had I had a lot
of fun stories about sort of I

2616
03:10:58.040 --> 03:11:01.639
think you might like this guy.
He's just a furn apart guy, you

2617
03:11:01.719 --> 03:11:05.920
know. Yeah, you know how
people from that. He's a he's a

2618
03:11:05.920 --> 03:11:07.959
teacher, but you know, he's
got something about him. There's something about

2619
03:11:09.000 --> 03:11:15.079
it. Yeah, fucking break.
Yeah. So at the end of the

2620
03:11:15.120 --> 03:11:16.799
interview the woman, the woman said, um, yeah, Fred, I

2621
03:11:16.799 --> 03:11:18.639
really like you. I want to
try and get you on the show.

2622
03:11:20.159 --> 03:11:24.280
She said, I can't promise that
it'll be WW week, but you're eligible

2623
03:11:24.319 --> 03:11:28.120
to be on the show period,
just any any week of tapings that we

2624
03:11:28.159 --> 03:11:30.360
do. And I said, okay, great, I'll take I'll take what

2625
03:11:30.399 --> 03:11:33.639
I can get. So um so
that was it. And then about another

2626
03:11:33.639 --> 03:11:39.719
month went by and didn't hear anything. Wasn't really thinking about it too much,

2627
03:11:39.840 --> 03:11:43.520
and then they emailed me and said, hey, good news. We

2628
03:11:43.559 --> 03:11:46.079
have a tape day for you.
And it was five days after I got

2629
03:11:46.120 --> 03:11:50.040
the email. Was when they wanted
that's right, that's right. Do you

2630
03:11:50.280 --> 03:11:54.000
how bad do you want it?
That's the question. I mean I would

2631
03:11:54.000 --> 03:11:56.760
have like, how bad do you
fucking want it? I mean you talked

2632
03:11:56.760 --> 03:12:01.319
earlier about like milestones in life,
like birth of children and stuff. I

2633
03:12:01.319 --> 03:12:03.040
swear to god I would have missed
the birth of my son. That's correct,

2634
03:12:03.239 --> 03:12:05.680
that's right. If it meant going
out to we the fortune, but

2635
03:12:05.719 --> 03:12:13.079
that didn't five days to somehow get
enough money together to book a flight to

2636
03:12:13.079 --> 03:12:16.760
to take three days. They don't. They don't fucking fly you out.

2637
03:12:16.399 --> 03:12:20.959
No, well they know they.
I mean all contestants are guaranteed a thousand

2638
03:12:20.959 --> 03:12:26.079
bucks just for showing up, so
that but no, they don't fly us

2639
03:12:26.079 --> 03:12:28.200
out. We we got to get
there ourselves. So you get so you

2640
03:12:28.239 --> 03:12:35.399
get your cash draw from Lanza,
and we had they put do they put

2641
03:12:35.440 --> 03:12:39.399
you up? Go ahead? Do
they put you up? No? They

2642
03:12:39.440 --> 03:12:43.200
give us a nice discount on a
hotel near the studio. Let's talk about

2643
03:12:43.200 --> 03:12:50.559
my partnerships as the Hilton to the
Pains right right right, And we actually

2644
03:12:50.559 --> 03:12:52.479
had to be there the day before
the tape thing to take a COVID test.

2645
03:12:54.040 --> 03:12:58.120
And I don't know why, but
for some reason, I didn't realize

2646
03:12:58.159 --> 03:13:00.760
that when I booked my flight,
so like I it was so the taping

2647
03:13:00.799 --> 03:13:03.719
was on a Thursday. I booked
my flight to get in on Wednesday morning,

2648
03:13:05.200 --> 03:13:07.200
and then they called me and they
were like, Hey, just a

2649
03:13:07.200 --> 03:13:09.719
reminder, we need to hear wednesday
morning to take your COVID test. And

2650
03:13:09.719 --> 03:13:13.280
they were very matter of fact,
like if you don't take this COVID test,

2651
03:13:13.319 --> 03:13:16.440
you're not going to be on the
show. And it was too late

2652
03:13:16.520 --> 03:13:18.319
too, It was too late to
cancel my flight. So I literally just

2653
03:13:18.399 --> 03:13:22.280
had to not board this flight that
I booked, and I had to somehow

2654
03:13:22.319 --> 03:13:28.719
get enough money together to book an
earlier flight. And I luckily have a

2655
03:13:28.760 --> 03:13:31.639
college friend who's out in LA who
let me crash on his couch for the

2656
03:13:31.719 --> 03:13:35.239
night. So I got in Tuesday
night, just barely made the flight anyway,

2657
03:13:35.239 --> 03:13:39.840
because I was coming straight from work
and got in, crashed on my

2658
03:13:39.840 --> 03:13:43.319
friend's couch, and then went and
took the test, the COVID test.

2659
03:13:43.959 --> 03:13:48.959
And how nervous were you that you
might have it? Yeah, M not

2660
03:13:48.440 --> 03:13:54.719
terribly. I think I had just
had it like two or three weeks before.

2661
03:13:56.159 --> 03:13:58.159
Yeah, it does help, and
I was I was feeling pretty good.

2662
03:13:58.159 --> 03:14:00.600
Oh no, I'm wrong. I
had had it once before for brother,

2663
03:14:01.200 --> 03:14:05.520
and I had had at least one
booster. Actually, I think I

2664
03:14:05.559 --> 03:14:11.840
got it booster. What do you
Who's who's boosted? Dude? You know

2665
03:14:11.920 --> 03:14:20.600
it's funny though, I'm peeping,
Okay, okay dry. Two days after

2666
03:14:20.680 --> 03:14:22.799
the actual keeping of the episode,
I went home and I had a wrestling

2667
03:14:22.840 --> 03:14:28.000
match that Saturday. And I know
for a fact that I got COVID when

2668
03:14:28.000 --> 03:14:33.000
I was at that show. Wow. So if if I had been scheduled

2669
03:14:33.000 --> 03:14:35.920
for a taping like a week later
than I wouldn't have I wouldn't have gotten

2670
03:14:35.920 --> 03:14:41.879
on. Luckily though, it all
it all worked out and my dad actually,

2671
03:14:41.000 --> 03:14:46.079
um my dad flew out with me. He wasn't like originally I was

2672
03:14:46.120 --> 03:14:50.000
going to go just by myself because
my girlfriend was working. Uh you know

2673
03:14:50.040 --> 03:14:52.280
I my parents were like, oh, you know, that's a lot of

2674
03:14:52.280 --> 03:14:56.200
travel and whatnot. And then my
dad just called me the day before and

2675
03:14:56.239 --> 03:14:58.239
he was like, hey, what
what airline did you take? Because I

2676
03:14:58.239 --> 03:15:00.639
want to try and get out there. So he took his own flight and

2677
03:15:00.760 --> 03:15:03.479
he has to get tested too if
he's going to come up on stage with

2678
03:15:03.520 --> 03:15:05.479
me at the end. So he
had to go get tested. He just

2679
03:15:05.520 --> 03:15:11.639
barely made it. But yeah,
so we got there, got our tests,

2680
03:15:11.680 --> 03:15:15.600
and then I just messed around in
LA for a day, which was

2681
03:15:15.719 --> 03:15:18.600
pretty cool. It was my first
time in LA. Oh really yeah yeah,

2682
03:15:18.680 --> 03:15:24.920
yeah, that's amazing. That's fun. So okay, all right,

2683
03:15:24.959 --> 03:15:26.440
this is good. So we've got
pretty much a soup to nuts idea of

2684
03:15:26.520 --> 03:15:30.399
how you gone on it. I
have to say, Fred, the question

2685
03:15:30.399 --> 03:15:33.319
that hits me hardest and earliest the
most is why did you want to do

2686
03:15:33.360 --> 03:15:37.040
this so bad? Look at look
in yourself? Why did you want to

2687
03:15:37.040 --> 03:15:43.479
do this Christ? I mean you
wanted to do it for Jesus Christ.

2688
03:15:43.520 --> 03:15:48.200
I understand that Pat wanted him to
do it for that reason. Yeah right,

2689
03:15:48.719 --> 03:15:54.559
I want to do it for Mordecai
Kevin for a test. But when

2690
03:15:54.600 --> 03:16:01.840
you talk about I mean the two
giants in my life as far as shaping

2691
03:16:01.879 --> 03:16:05.159
my life and giving me dreams to
chase. It's pro wrestling and game shows.

2692
03:16:05.239 --> 03:16:09.520
Got it. And I'm so glad
Jack that you made that comparison,

2693
03:16:09.559 --> 03:16:13.280
because they are there's a there's you
know, the ven diagram of pro wrestling

2694
03:16:13.280 --> 03:16:16.399
and game shows is a lot closer
to a circle than people think. What

2695
03:16:16.479 --> 03:16:20.520
do you what do you see in
common? The showmanship, like you said,

2696
03:16:20.719 --> 03:16:26.280
the working, the working a crowd, the the fact that you are

2697
03:16:28.399 --> 03:16:31.360
you know, in terms of the
game show and the contestants too. To

2698
03:16:31.399 --> 03:16:35.120
a degree, you are just an
extension of your real self. You're not

2699
03:16:35.200 --> 03:16:37.680
you're not playing a character. You're
not working from a script. Well,

2700
03:16:39.399 --> 03:16:41.879
you know, the host might have
some things that are scripted, but generally

2701
03:16:41.879 --> 03:16:46.360
it's like a lot of ad lib
stuff. It's uh, they desire big

2702
03:16:46.399 --> 03:16:52.159
personalities and when they're looking at you, they're looking for what they can bring

2703
03:16:52.159 --> 03:16:54.840
out of you. Yes, here's
the question, here's the question. Here's

2704
03:16:54.840 --> 03:17:01.719
the question. Billion dollar questions.
When the camera's not rolling, does Pat

2705
03:17:01.840 --> 03:17:07.840
say Jack give a shit? Uh
No, And I don't think he needs

2706
03:17:07.520 --> 03:17:13.639
He literally we didn't see him.
We didn't see him at all until he

2707
03:17:13.680 --> 03:17:18.520
walked out for the first taping and
when the cameras were off, he literally

2708
03:17:18.079 --> 03:17:22.159
walked off stage and walked behind the
set and just chilled. And because he's

2709
03:17:22.159 --> 03:17:26.079
like, you know what, don't
send these fucking losers into my fucking presence.

2710
03:17:28.280 --> 03:17:31.319
I mean he was very like he
would come on like like thirty seconds

2711
03:17:31.319 --> 03:17:33.600
before cameras roll again. He would
come back on and be like, hey

2712
03:17:33.600 --> 03:17:35.799
guys, you guys, okay,
you guys need anything you good? Like

2713
03:17:35.840 --> 03:17:41.239
he was very kind and generous,
extremely limited time that he gave us.

2714
03:17:41.559 --> 03:17:45.159
Yeah, but yeah, but no, he's he's he's at the Vanna,

2715
03:17:45.239 --> 03:17:48.719
on the other hand, actually stayed
out and like when we were on a

2716
03:17:48.760 --> 03:17:50.959
break, she would like do Q
and A with the audience. She'd be

2717
03:17:50.959 --> 03:17:52.680
like, does anyone have any questions? Thank you all for coming. She

2718
03:17:52.799 --> 03:17:58.440
actually Vanna surprised us in the morning
because so we got there for the taping

2719
03:17:58.639 --> 03:18:03.000
at like we got there like seven
am. They actually herded all of us

2720
03:18:03.079 --> 03:18:07.200
into the Jeopardy studio, which is
right next door to do to fill out

2721
03:18:07.200 --> 03:18:09.079
our paperwork. So we were all
just sitting there in the audience on the

2722
03:18:09.159 --> 03:18:15.520
Jeopardy set doing our paperwork, and
the contestant team We're all like on the

2723
03:18:15.559 --> 03:18:20.079
stage talking into a mic, going
over the rules, going over legal whatnot.

2724
03:18:20.479 --> 03:18:22.879
And then all of a sudden,
and we all had masks on so

2725
03:18:22.879 --> 03:18:26.559
I couldn't see anybody's face, and
all of a sudden, this tiny,

2726
03:18:26.559 --> 03:18:31.159
tiny woman in sweats walks up onto
the stage with her mask on, and

2727
03:18:31.200 --> 03:18:33.799
we're all looking around like she's somebody's
daughter, like who is this And then

2728
03:18:35.120 --> 03:18:37.200
she pulls the mask off and it's
Vanna and she had just gotten there.

2729
03:18:37.200 --> 03:18:39.479
She didn't have any makeup on,
and she was just like, hey,

2730
03:18:39.479 --> 03:18:43.719
guys, just want to say hi
and good luck and you guys all do

2731
03:18:43.760 --> 03:18:45.799
well today and have fun and blah
blah blah, and then she just and

2732
03:18:46.079 --> 03:18:52.079
scurried away. Well that's that's part
wrestling right there, right, boss?

2733
03:18:52.239 --> 03:18:56.399
Is her? Van A White makes
this qualified? Right? Wrestlingning for Yeah?

2734
03:18:56.440 --> 03:19:01.479
Oh yeah, totally totally absolutely qualifies. Hugan is like the nicest guy

2735
03:19:01.520 --> 03:19:05.840
ever or whatever. What. No, she said that, Yeah, she

2736
03:19:05.920 --> 03:19:07.000
was like, Oh, I like
Hulk, he is so nice. Oh

2737
03:19:07.040 --> 03:19:11.040
oh on the show, I see
yeah yeah, oh oh. I thought

2738
03:19:11.040 --> 03:19:15.760
you just brought that up to you, like randomly because you're on the Wrestling

2739
03:19:15.760 --> 03:19:20.079
week. No, but I didn't
tell her. When I went back the

2740
03:19:20.120 --> 03:19:22.479
second time, I told her that
I think her and Pat would make a

2741
03:19:22.479 --> 03:19:26.799
great tag team. Matt say Jack
and slam A White, and her response

2742
03:19:26.840 --> 03:19:30.440
besides, you know, judging you
in the back of her mind? Yeah,

2743
03:19:30.600 --> 03:19:39.040
right, A little chuckles, like, don't talk to you. Hey,

2744
03:19:39.120 --> 03:19:41.479
excuse me, came here, go
fuck yourself. Yeah that was left

2745
03:19:41.559 --> 03:19:46.159
unsaid, all right. So when
you're on the ground and and they say,

2746
03:19:46.239 --> 03:19:48.520
you know, well, well we'll
pay you a grand, so you're

2747
03:19:48.559 --> 03:19:50.959
like, you're coming out of pocket
for the flight and you know, fortunately

2748
03:19:50.079 --> 03:19:54.959
had accommodations, but you at least
are you know, have some expectation of

2749
03:19:54.959 --> 03:19:56.239
of being able to pay that back
to yourself, so to speak. So

2750
03:19:56.280 --> 03:19:58.520
there's that, right, even if
you even if you don't even make it

2751
03:19:58.520 --> 03:20:01.719
on camera, you're going to get
that money. So that's good. Yeah,

2752
03:20:01.760 --> 03:20:07.159
and well everybody, So they tape
a week sort of episodes in a

2753
03:20:07.239 --> 03:20:13.799
day, and there are so three
contestants per Actually I'm wrong, they tape

2754
03:20:15.719 --> 03:20:18.760
it's between. They usually do a
week. Sometimes they'll do a week and

2755
03:20:18.799 --> 03:20:22.879
then one extra one that they'll air
just like on a random time, totally

2756
03:20:22.200 --> 03:20:26.319
independent of that week. So we
actually tape six episodes on the first day

2757
03:20:26.319 --> 03:20:28.840
that I was there, So there
were eighteen of us total, and then

2758
03:20:28.840 --> 03:20:33.479
there was one person. There might
have been two who are like alternates who

2759
03:20:33.680 --> 03:20:37.440
are paid. I think they pay
them like two hundred or three hundred bucks.

2760
03:20:37.920 --> 03:20:43.239
And the alternates are all like la
local people who they just bring just

2761
03:20:43.479 --> 03:20:46.879
in the off chance that one of
the original eighteen can't make it for whatever

2762
03:20:46.920 --> 03:20:50.399
reasons. So the alternates were there, and then the rest of us were

2763
03:20:50.440 --> 03:20:52.280
there, and yeah, like I
said, like everybody who makes it on

2764
03:20:52.319 --> 03:20:56.360
camera against a thousand bucks just for
showing up. So so well that's another

2765
03:20:56.360 --> 03:21:00.760
wrestling parallel, right, there is
just arrathon tapings, like what is this

2766
03:21:00.920 --> 03:21:03.559
pretty Monday night raw? Right?
Yeah? Yeah, working that? What

2767
03:21:03.920 --> 03:21:09.920
are the fucking Disney World and Jam
Studios? Jesus got a maximize? It

2768
03:21:09.959 --> 03:21:13.959
felt it felt a lot. I
mean, it didn't feel taxing at all,

2769
03:21:13.000 --> 03:21:18.920
because it was we were all so
excited to be there, like we

2770
03:21:18.959 --> 03:21:22.200
were all huge Wheel fans, and
they were all they were all great people

2771
03:21:22.200 --> 03:21:24.719
and they were great to hang out
with. And I taped the second I

2772
03:21:24.719 --> 03:21:28.120
think I taped the second episode of
the day, but I stuck around to

2773
03:21:28.120 --> 03:21:28.879
watch the rest of them, even
that you don't have to, like,

2774
03:21:28.920 --> 03:21:31.719
once your episode's done, you can
leave. But I was just I was

2775
03:21:31.760 --> 03:21:35.600
just I'm sure, I'm sure they
prefer that too. Yeah, please seriously,

2776
03:21:35.680 --> 03:21:39.719
dude, come on. Yeah,
I was loving the vibes, like

2777
03:21:39.799 --> 03:21:41.760
the crowd was great, The contestants
were great with each other. It was

2778
03:21:41.799 --> 03:21:45.639
it was just a fun and the
contestant team all hung out with us while

2779
03:21:45.680 --> 03:21:48.440
we sat in the audience and watched
everybody else. Like it was it was

2780
03:21:48.479 --> 03:21:50.319
an often time, all right,
So what day of the week is this?

2781
03:21:52.520 --> 03:21:54.040
We taped on a Thursday? What
time did you show up? Call

2782
03:21:54.120 --> 03:22:00.639
time? Seven am? Where did
the people in the audience come from?

2783
03:22:01.079 --> 03:22:03.200
What do you mean, like,
did they just like line up to be

2784
03:22:03.239 --> 03:22:07.559
admitted, like you know, yeah, yeah, that's a good question.

2785
03:22:07.719 --> 03:22:09.520
I actually do. I'm not sure
it was. I mean it's a mix

2786
03:22:09.639 --> 03:22:13.639
of you know, just Wheel fans
who want to come in and watch,

2787
03:22:13.760 --> 03:22:20.360
and and obviously friends and family,
but they keep us totally separated from Yeah,

2788
03:22:20.399 --> 03:22:22.559
like once we go in for our
call time, then we don't see

2789
03:22:22.559 --> 03:22:28.840
our family for until our taping is
done. So I actually don't. I

2790
03:22:28.840 --> 03:22:31.639
didn't really, So you're up there. Yeah you get, I can tell

2791
03:22:31.639 --> 03:22:35.840
you you get. You get tickets
from like the studio or whatever from it's

2792
03:22:35.959 --> 03:22:39.120
still still shoot them sony lot,
right, Yeah they do, yeah,

2793
03:22:39.159 --> 03:22:45.760
yeah, and um that yeah and
they h yeah because we did. Did

2794
03:22:45.760 --> 03:22:50.879
we actually go to a Jeopardy taping
or was it one I know, I

2795
03:22:50.959 --> 03:22:54.159
know, I don't remember. I
went to Letto one time and it was

2796
03:22:54.200 --> 03:22:58.959
a similar process you're describing it.
Yeah, yeah, you kind of.

2797
03:22:58.040 --> 03:23:03.000
Yeah, it's it's very it's very
kind of lucy goosey. So when you're

2798
03:23:03.079 --> 03:23:05.520
up there, Fred, we can't
appreciate this. Watching at home, you

2799
03:23:05.559 --> 03:23:11.200
can see the crowd, Yes,
yes, they're they're very it's dark and

2800
03:23:11.239 --> 03:23:16.360
that was that was one thing that
struck me being on the set was when

2801
03:23:16.399 --> 03:23:18.600
you're on like when you watch it
on TV, everything is bright, but

2802
03:23:18.680 --> 03:23:22.440
when you're on the set, everything
is bright on your right hand side,

2803
03:23:22.760 --> 03:23:26.799
but on your left hand side everything
is completely dark. Wow. Wow,

2804
03:23:28.479 --> 03:23:31.000
people don't appreciate that. Why so
that the people in the crowd don't distract

2805
03:23:31.000 --> 03:23:35.000
you? Maybe, Um, I
don't know. I guess they just don't.

2806
03:23:35.120 --> 03:23:39.399
I mean, like, it's it's
lit enough to where everybody can walk

2807
03:23:39.440 --> 03:23:43.319
around and see what they're doing.
But I and I could see faces if

2808
03:23:43.319 --> 03:23:46.559
I looked hard enough. I don't
know, I guess. So these people

2809
03:23:46.559 --> 03:23:48.959
are showing up at seven in the
morning, the no, not the audience.

2810
03:23:50.040 --> 03:23:52.879
The audience wasn't They told our families
that they weren't even let in until

2811
03:23:52.959 --> 03:23:56.959
like I think it was like ten
thirty before family was let in. So,

2812
03:23:58.360 --> 03:24:01.639
um, you know to be there
three hours before? What's that?

2813
03:24:03.159 --> 03:24:05.200
Do they give you breakfast? You're
there three hours, three and a half

2814
03:24:05.239 --> 03:24:09.000
hours before? Question? All right, sorry, yes they did feed us.

2815
03:24:09.000 --> 03:24:09.719
They did. All right, that's
good, all right. Was there

2816
03:24:09.879 --> 03:24:13.760
was there a craft table? Was
there a craft service table? It was

2817
03:24:15.000 --> 03:24:18.319
Oh god, I can't even remember. Now, come on, don't let

2818
03:24:18.360 --> 03:24:22.479
me down. It was like we
we actually had a selection. It was

2819
03:24:22.559 --> 03:24:30.399
like these pre made like catering boxes
that the breakfast were all like breakfast burritos.

2820
03:24:30.639 --> 03:24:33.040
Sure, oh yeah, there were
Oh you know what, I'll tell

2821
03:24:33.079 --> 03:24:35.920
you what. I'll tell you something. This is not a joke. Sony

2822
03:24:35.959 --> 03:24:41.399
Lot, the the the Commissary and
the Sony Lot has the fucking best breakfast

2823
03:24:41.440 --> 03:24:46.319
burritos. They were pretty good,
fucking pissed. They're so good. I

2824
03:24:46.479 --> 03:24:48.440
used to fucking get them when I
when I was on the lot during Premonition,

2825
03:24:48.479 --> 03:24:54.879
I got them almost every fucking day. So good. And then and

2826
03:24:54.920 --> 03:25:00.159
then the lunches were, um,
so like we taped three episodes and then

2827
03:25:00.200 --> 03:25:03.200
when and had lunch, lunches were
like, oh, I can't even they

2828
03:25:03.200 --> 03:25:07.719
were. They were dishes that I
like. They were dishes that I had

2829
03:25:07.719 --> 03:25:09.639
never even heard of a lot of
them. It was like like it was

2830
03:25:09.639 --> 03:25:13.200
like all beef or chicken or they
had I think they had a vegetarian option,

2831
03:25:13.239 --> 03:25:16.920
but they were. But the specific
dish was like I have never I

2832
03:25:16.920 --> 03:25:22.120
don't have no idea what this is. So I think I had like cuts

2833
03:25:22.120 --> 03:25:26.479
of beef with like some kind of
sprout like bean sprouts or yes, I

2834
03:25:26.479 --> 03:25:31.440
truly do not even remember absolutely rice
involved. There might have been, remember

2835
03:25:31.440 --> 03:25:35.680
it were there roasted potatoes, but
it was you know, it was food.

2836
03:25:35.920 --> 03:25:41.239
It was like there and they had
a pretty nice catering table when we

2837
03:25:41.280 --> 03:25:46.639
came in for breakfast with like coffee
and paste, bagels kept their bellies full

2838
03:25:48.079 --> 03:25:52.239
bagels. Did they have like a
bagel craft service table? I'm sure they

2839
03:25:52.239 --> 03:25:54.000
did. I didn't have one,
but yeah, I have to imagine,

2840
03:25:54.000 --> 03:25:56.879
what the fuck's wrong with you?
What's wrong with you? Fred? You

2841
03:25:56.879 --> 03:26:01.200
didn't stash your muffing away for lunch? I should have, you know,

2842
03:26:01.200 --> 03:26:07.639
I should I should have kept the
gimmick. I also was very hypercon because

2843
03:26:07.639 --> 03:26:11.200
I did have coffee, and when
I have coffee, I shit. And

2844
03:26:11.239 --> 03:26:18.520
I was very shitting on stage.
That's right. I go to spin and

2845
03:26:18.559 --> 03:26:22.959
I spin the wheel too hard,
and then you know they got they got

2846
03:26:22.959 --> 03:26:26.280
a mestical lean up. Yeah.
So when you were doing the puzzle in

2847
03:26:26.399 --> 03:26:30.079
the audition, right, are they
doing that to see if you're like,

2848
03:26:30.520 --> 03:26:33.120
if you have any metal capacity?
Or are they doing that to see if

2849
03:26:33.120 --> 03:26:35.079
you understand the game? Why do
you think they did that? Yeah?

2850
03:26:35.120 --> 03:26:39.520
I think they that they understood that
they think you understand the game and that

2851
03:26:39.559 --> 03:26:43.959
you're just good at the game,
like they we played, like when when

2852
03:26:43.040 --> 03:26:46.639
it was the three of us all
interviewing together, they had us do like

2853
03:26:46.719 --> 03:26:48.799
a couple of toss up rounds,
which I got. I think I got

2854
03:26:48.840 --> 03:26:52.760
one of them. And then they
were like I can't even remember. They

2855
03:26:52.799 --> 03:26:54.079
were like five total, maybe,
and I got one of them. So

2856
03:26:54.120 --> 03:26:58.360
I didn't feel great about that.
But then they had us they broke us

2857
03:26:58.399 --> 03:27:01.399
off and interviewed us one at a
time, and they had us solve like

2858
03:27:01.440 --> 03:27:07.159
four or five puzzles in one category
and then four or five puzzles in another

2859
03:27:07.200 --> 03:27:09.799
category. I guess to see like
what categories you excel in and which ones

2860
03:27:11.280 --> 03:27:13.600
might be a little bit trickier for
you. I was really good at like

2861
03:27:13.719 --> 03:27:18.280
pop culture categories. I was really
good at like phrases and the ones.

2862
03:27:18.479 --> 03:27:24.079
The one, the one I've always
struggled in is like living things, which,

2863
03:27:24.840 --> 03:27:28.959
to be fair like I the one. The one puzzle that I remember

2864
03:27:28.959 --> 03:27:33.719
not getting was Persian cat and I
was like, but in my defense,

2865
03:27:33.840 --> 03:27:39.319
what the fuck? Like why why
is that a puzzle? Like, well,

2866
03:27:39.360 --> 03:27:43.479
hey, you know exactly, that's
why, right, that's why puzzle?

2867
03:27:43.479 --> 03:27:48.399
All right, of course? Yeah, So, um, you're you

2868
03:27:48.479 --> 03:27:52.200
tape how many episodes on that Thursday? Six? And that's it? Or

2869
03:27:52.239 --> 03:27:56.920
do you do more of the next
day? Um? So they did six

2870
03:27:56.079 --> 03:28:01.799
our day. I think they told
us they tape like to they they tape

2871
03:28:01.520 --> 03:28:07.760
two days every two weeks, and
I think they taped us on Thursday.

2872
03:28:09.040 --> 03:28:13.000
I I don't. I don't know
this first fact, but I'm reasonably sure

2873
03:28:13.200 --> 03:28:16.520
that the WW episode, the week
of episodes for WB week was taped the

2874
03:28:16.600 --> 03:28:18.920
very next day. And again,
you weren't part of that. I was

2875
03:28:20.000 --> 03:28:22.639
not, although we were. It
was funny. We were we were getting

2876
03:28:22.680 --> 03:28:28.639
a tour of the stage and all
the contestants were standing on the floor and

2877
03:28:28.680 --> 03:28:33.319
then the executive producer comes out and
she's like introducing herself, and she gives

2878
03:28:33.360 --> 03:28:37.159
this big speech to the whole crew
and we're all standing there and she says

2879
03:28:37.159 --> 03:28:39.440
at one point, she says,
and don't forget guys. Tomorrow we come

2880
03:28:39.440 --> 03:28:43.040
in and we're filming WWE week.
And I went, yeah, and I

2881
03:28:43.120 --> 03:28:46.200
was the only person who made me
annoy every everybody turned and looked at me.

2882
03:28:46.239 --> 03:28:50.000
It was right, And I was
like, oh my god, no,

2883
03:28:50.079 --> 03:28:52.280
shame, no, it was fun. Yeah. Okay, no shame

2884
03:28:52.639 --> 03:28:58.159
yeah bullshit? Um okay. So
that's great, all right, Shane.

2885
03:28:58.239 --> 03:29:01.000
So you just you just got on
this show not by playing the look at

2886
03:29:01.000 --> 03:29:03.440
me. I'm a wrestling fan who
can string a sentence together. Card.

2887
03:29:03.479 --> 03:29:07.680
You got on this show because you're
an enthusiast, and you know you knew

2888
03:29:07.680 --> 03:29:11.680
how to how to show out for
what Wheel of Fortune looks for do to

2889
03:29:11.760 --> 03:29:13.920
your lifetime watching it. It's like
how pro wrestlers are good at pro wrestling

2890
03:29:13.959 --> 03:29:16.600
if they watched their whole lives.
You know there's something innate, right right?

2891
03:29:18.280 --> 03:29:22.000
Yeah? And I wonder because we
also did mention in my interview that

2892
03:29:22.120 --> 03:29:28.280
I'm actually a legit like training and
practicing pro wrestler myself, and I wonder,

2893
03:29:28.319 --> 03:29:30.799
I don't know, for a fact. But I wonder if that might

2894
03:29:30.840 --> 03:29:33.239
have had something to do with me
not getting on week because they didn't want

2895
03:29:33.280 --> 03:29:37.159
like a conflict of interest or interesting
something. But it did, it did

2896
03:29:37.600 --> 03:29:43.040
make its way prominently into my show, Like they made sure to put that

2897
03:29:43.200 --> 03:29:46.799
on Pat's card when he interviewed me, that I was a pro wrestler.

2898
03:29:46.200 --> 03:29:50.520
Tell us about that moment. Oh, so it was pretty wild. It

2899
03:29:50.600 --> 03:29:52.959
was pretty fucking wild. I remember
I watched. I was like, that's

2900
03:29:52.879 --> 03:29:58.319
that was really funny. So um, so Pat walks out, Oh my

2901
03:29:58.360 --> 03:30:03.559
god. So I was petrified.
And I don't I don't get nervous hardly

2902
03:30:03.600 --> 03:30:07.000
ever, because I've you know,
I just you know, the things that

2903
03:30:07.079 --> 03:30:09.600
I do, Like I've been a
performer for forever, so things rarely make

2904
03:30:09.639 --> 03:30:13.840
me nervous. But I was scared
to death being up there. Why first

2905
03:30:13.840 --> 03:30:18.360
of all? Why? Um?
Because this was this was the culmination of

2906
03:30:18.959 --> 03:30:24.680
like a lifelong dream and a lifelove
like I have. I have pictured the

2907
03:30:24.719 --> 03:30:31.760
image in my head constantly, endlessly
my whole life, of me being on

2908
03:30:33.440 --> 03:30:37.239
you know, whether it be prices
right or I was a huge once to

2909
03:30:37.280 --> 03:30:39.360
be a millionaire fan, so like
that was always in my head and Wheel

2910
03:30:39.360 --> 03:30:45.159
of Fortune and knowing that this was
my one and only chance, because they

2911
03:30:45.159 --> 03:30:48.600
also make it clear to you when
you're there that it's a one and done.

2912
03:30:48.959 --> 03:30:50.959
I mean, at least I thought
it was, but they tell you

2913
03:30:52.079 --> 03:30:54.159
that. You know, once you're
on the show, you're never eligible to

2914
03:30:54.200 --> 03:30:56.040
be on again. So I was
like, Okay, I don't want to

2915
03:30:56.079 --> 03:30:58.360
fuck this up. You know I'm
missing something. Only chance for what I

2916
03:30:58.360 --> 03:31:01.360
mean, you're on the SHO show. What what do you mean? I

2917
03:31:01.719 --> 03:31:03.280
mean like, once you're on the
show, you're not eligible to ever be

2918
03:31:03.360 --> 03:31:07.600
on the show again. No,
but you're only chance to do what you're

2919
03:31:07.600 --> 03:31:13.440
going to be on the show.
So my only chance to be it to

2920
03:31:13.600 --> 03:31:18.239
be successful and to become like a
name recognized in the game show community.

2921
03:31:18.319 --> 03:31:24.239
I didn't I didn't want to be
an embarrassment. I didn't want to be

2922
03:31:24.280 --> 03:31:28.760
so well you but you but you
told them you were a pro wrestler,

2923
03:31:31.840 --> 03:31:33.840
so you're already, so you're going
to be an embarrassment, right there?

2924
03:31:35.440 --> 03:31:39.479
Come on, you're right, and
you know what, actually I did read

2925
03:31:39.520 --> 03:31:43.760
YouTube comments. I read a YouTube
comment later on on the YouTube video of

2926
03:31:43.799 --> 03:31:48.959
my episode. Somebody said like,
oh yeah, you know clear with that

2927
03:31:48.000 --> 03:31:50.920
physique that he's got, he would
fit right in with today's pro wrestlers.

2928
03:31:52.479 --> 03:31:56.479
Wow, yeah, you versus Marcos
Stunt or something, right, yeah?

2929
03:31:56.600 --> 03:31:58.479
Right, So so so this is
this is important to me, and I

2930
03:31:58.520 --> 03:32:01.639
don't care if it's important to you
Orf, it's important of JP. We're

2931
03:32:01.639 --> 03:32:05.479
going to get to the bottom of
this. So you just said that you

2932
03:32:07.239 --> 03:32:11.760
what really you're afraid of is not
being remembered for this appearance and doing the

2933
03:32:11.840 --> 03:32:16.520
game show Community Justice. Is that
right? Yeah? And the money was

2934
03:32:16.559 --> 03:32:18.120
also real. That's what I was
wondering. Why you haven't you brought that

2935
03:32:18.159 --> 03:32:22.000
up yet, because I think when
people sit at home and watch these game

2936
03:32:22.000 --> 03:32:24.840
shows, Fred, they think,
but the charm of these people is that

2937
03:32:26.120 --> 03:32:28.280
they're nervous because they're chasing, you
know, that the jackpot, which I'm

2938
03:32:28.319 --> 03:32:31.239
sure isn't there. But but you're
you're I don't know, because you said

2939
03:32:31.239 --> 03:32:37.000
earlier. Everybody else that got on
the show we're big Wheel of Fortune enthusiasts

2940
03:32:37.000 --> 03:32:39.200
too, so they probably had a
similar feeling of like, let me be

2941
03:32:39.239 --> 03:32:41.959
remembered if nothing else. And I
don't when I watched the show, I

2942
03:32:41.959 --> 03:32:46.120
don't it never occurs to me that
these people are also trying to be worthy

2943
03:32:46.159 --> 03:32:50.600
of being up there in addition to
trying to grab the money. Yeah.

2944
03:32:50.639 --> 03:32:54.920
And the true and the honest truth
is that the money is good. But

2945
03:32:54.959 --> 03:32:58.040
it's not. It's not unless you
win the million, which only like three

2946
03:32:58.079 --> 03:33:01.559
people have ever done on Wheel.
It's it's not life changing money. It

2947
03:33:01.680 --> 03:33:05.079
just isn't right. You have.
There has to be right for nerves to

2948
03:33:05.159 --> 03:33:09.440
kick in. There has to be
you know, equal parts. You know,

2949
03:33:09.799 --> 03:33:11.879
do do I do? Do I
perform? Well? You know,

2950
03:33:11.200 --> 03:33:15.239
because you said to the community,
like, tell me about this community?

2951
03:33:15.319 --> 03:33:18.360
Is it like a like if JP
went on wrestling it would be a similar

2952
03:33:18.399 --> 03:33:22.319
feeling like me sitting at home like
would be rooting for you know what I

2953
03:33:22.319 --> 03:33:26.159
mean What do you mean by that? Well, yeah, I mean the

2954
03:33:26.200 --> 03:33:31.879
game show community is uh, you
know, folks who are recognizable names either

2955
03:33:33.120 --> 03:33:37.040
from like having one epic moment on
a show or they or they run the

2956
03:33:37.079 --> 03:33:41.479
circuit. Like I've actually like connected
on face Like, so there's a there's

2957
03:33:41.479 --> 03:33:46.319
a Wheel of Fortune alumni Facebook group
that I'm a member of real and so

2958
03:33:46.399 --> 03:33:48.639
I've connected with a lot of people
through that. I actually it's funny.

2959
03:33:48.680 --> 03:33:54.159
I connected with a couple of folks
who were on Wheel of Fortune, but

2960
03:33:54.200 --> 03:33:58.440
we're also on other shows like,
um, there was one guy, you

2961
03:33:58.479 --> 03:33:58.840
know, when I was growing up, like I said, I was a

2962
03:34:00.040 --> 03:34:03.479
huge fan of Millionaire and there was
a guy in the Wheel Facebook group who

2963
03:34:03.520 --> 03:34:05.840
was also a big name because he
was successful a millionaire, and it was

2964
03:34:05.840 --> 03:34:07.840
really cool. I got to be
friends. I'm friends with him now,

2965
03:34:07.840 --> 03:34:11.360
which I thought was really cool.
But yeah, it's it's a lot of

2966
03:34:11.399 --> 03:34:13.639
it's folks who are a lot of
them are are like LA locals who just,

2967
03:34:13.719 --> 03:34:16.680
like I said, just run the
circuit of like they're on Prices right,

2968
03:34:16.799 --> 03:34:20.920
they're on Jeffrey, they're on Wheel, they might have been on Millionaire

2969
03:34:20.959 --> 03:34:24.000
when it was on back in the
day. Like just they're just they're just

2970
03:34:24.120 --> 03:34:31.000
names that people know if you are
in the loop wrestling, it literally is.

2971
03:34:31.079 --> 03:34:35.719
And there are groups of you know, fan groups of just game shows

2972
03:34:35.719 --> 03:34:39.360
in general that I'm in now that
are like people constantly post the most like

2973
03:34:39.360 --> 03:34:45.200
like updates that like, quite frankly
to me, like you know, I

2974
03:34:46.040 --> 03:34:48.959
read the things that people post,
and I'm like, I get that you're

2975
03:34:48.959 --> 03:34:52.239
excited, but honestly, I don't
care that much. That Price is Right

2976
03:34:52.399 --> 03:34:54.920
is now on Pluto TV. Like, like, it's not not the most

2977
03:34:54.959 --> 03:34:58.040
important thing in the world, but
but yeah, I mean these are extremely

2978
03:34:58.280 --> 03:35:03.799
passionate people about game shows, about
the history the culture, Like wow,

2979
03:35:03.360 --> 03:35:07.719
yeah you like you said it's pro
wrestling to a t. I think it's

2980
03:35:07.760 --> 03:35:11.120
instructive that um there. Used to
be a newsletter writer by the name of

2981
03:35:11.120 --> 03:35:13.840
Steve Beverley in the late eighties early
nineties. He published a newsletter called Matt

2982
03:35:13.879 --> 03:35:18.840
Watch, which was a relation to
Bowen Blake. Well, he can't confirm

2983
03:35:18.840 --> 03:35:24.159
her deny all right, but what
I can say is that he was also

2984
03:35:24.799 --> 03:35:26.840
pretty much from what I can tell, I don't know a lot about it,

2985
03:35:26.879 --> 03:35:31.200
but it was always referred to as
the nation's leading game show expert,

2986
03:35:31.760 --> 03:35:35.840
and he didn't an even more popular
game show newsletter. And I always thought

2987
03:35:35.879 --> 03:35:41.159
it was interesting that those two,
that those two worlds, you know,

2988
03:35:41.200 --> 03:35:45.159
had had similar fans. Like I
wouldn't call myself, I don't know about

2989
03:35:45.159 --> 03:35:48.000
you, boss, I'd be interested. I don't consider myself a game show

2990
03:35:48.079 --> 03:35:52.159
enthusiast, but I'm joying a fucking
game show man. Yeah, I mean,

2991
03:35:52.319 --> 03:35:54.959
you know, it's funny. It's
very funny when when we go visit

2992
03:35:56.040 --> 03:36:00.879
my parents, it's you know,
seven o'clock hits and it's Wheel of Fortune,

2993
03:36:00.959 --> 03:36:03.760
Jeopardy, that's it. There's a
lot one of that comfort. When

2994
03:36:03.760 --> 03:36:05.399
they come over to our house,
the same thing happens, although we have

2995
03:36:05.399 --> 03:36:09.600
it on in reverse. But it's
like, I don't do that on my

2996
03:36:09.639 --> 03:36:13.520
own, but when they're here,
it's like, oh, yeah, shit,

2997
03:36:13.680 --> 03:36:16.959
let's do this. You know of
it. But yeah, like I

2998
03:36:16.159 --> 03:36:20.440
again, I wouldn't. I don't
seek it out, but there are times

2999
03:36:20.440 --> 03:36:22.239
where I'm like, you know,
I'll get I enjoy it. I enjoy

3000
03:36:22.319 --> 03:36:24.000
it for sure. You get sucked
into it. What do you think,

3001
03:36:24.000 --> 03:36:26.559
Fred, Is there something to that
that it was always on at the same

3002
03:36:26.600 --> 03:36:33.680
time on the same station. Uh? Yeah, I mean I mean just

3003
03:36:33.719 --> 03:36:37.559
thinking about it, like like it
might be different for you guys, but

3004
03:36:37.600 --> 03:36:39.200
where I am, like you said, Jeopardy and Wheel are on at seven,

3005
03:36:39.280 --> 03:36:43.399
seven thirty, and then you know, depending on what night of the

3006
03:36:43.399 --> 03:36:46.120
week it is, immediately after that, you're looking at either raw or SmackDown

3007
03:36:46.360 --> 03:36:52.159
like huge, right. Yeah,
that's so, that's that's significant. And

3008
03:36:52.200 --> 03:36:58.319
those are like all of those shows
that I just mentioned are TV mainstays that

3009
03:36:58.879 --> 03:37:03.440
have not um, you know,
in the ever changing world of how people

3010
03:37:03.879 --> 03:37:09.159
engage with television and engage with media. Those are you know, the stalwarts

3011
03:37:09.879 --> 03:37:13.959
like like Ron SmackDown, Wheel and
Jeopardy. There's probably a handful of others,

3012
03:37:15.000 --> 03:37:18.280
but like those are those are the
shows strictly for entertainment purposes, Like

3013
03:37:18.559 --> 03:37:22.040
you know, news is one thing, but those are the entertainment shows that

3014
03:37:22.120 --> 03:37:28.239
have stuck around it's on TV and
are not so readily accessible anywhere else and

3015
03:37:28.360 --> 03:37:33.120
of defining television for as long as
television has existed exactly. Yeah, yeah,

3016
03:37:33.159 --> 03:37:37.040
that's great. So, uh,
let me try to remember where we

3017
03:37:37.120 --> 03:37:39.799
left off. So there you are, and you're feeling a little bit of

3018
03:37:39.840 --> 03:37:43.200
anxiety. So tell us what it's
like when you know you're you're taping the

3019
03:37:43.239 --> 03:37:46.760
first episode and they you know,
they you're live, Like, do you

3020
03:37:46.799 --> 03:37:50.959
go into a zone? What's it
like? It's hard to explain. So,

3021
03:37:52.120 --> 03:37:54.159
first of all, before before they
even started taping, they actually did

3022
03:37:54.159 --> 03:37:58.440
a couple of rehearsal rounds with all
eighteen of us, Like we all got

3023
03:37:58.520 --> 03:38:03.799
up really, yes. They they
had us all do a practice spin of

3024
03:38:03.799 --> 03:38:09.280
the wheel. They had us all
practice calling out letters loud and clear.

3025
03:38:09.319 --> 03:38:11.399
They wanted to make sure that we
were talking, that we were giving like

3026
03:38:11.760 --> 03:38:16.479
energy in our voice, that we
were speaking clearly enough so they could the

3027
03:38:16.559 --> 03:38:20.559
judges could understand what letter we called
for. Like there was they were very

3028
03:38:20.600 --> 03:38:24.120
precise about. And they also like
wanted to make sure that when we were

3029
03:38:24.159 --> 03:38:28.440
clapping and cheering that we didn't actually
like clap loudly enough to so that our

3030
03:38:28.479 --> 03:38:33.719
body mics could pick it up.
Like, was there someone? Go ahead,

3031
03:38:33.319 --> 03:38:39.479
was there someone when you're practicing the
wheel? Yeah? Was there someone

3032
03:38:39.840 --> 03:38:45.399
who just couldn't get it? And
and they're just a fucking idiot. Um,

3033
03:38:46.360 --> 03:38:52.840
there were a couple of folks who
spun and didn't really put a lot

3034
03:38:52.840 --> 03:39:01.079
of behind it, um, which
it's the rule are very tricky. The

3035
03:39:01.079 --> 03:39:03.920
only thing that you're not allowed to
do with the wheel is you can't aim

3036
03:39:03.959 --> 03:39:09.000
the wheel. Like if you know, like let's suppose that the five thousand

3037
03:39:09.000 --> 03:39:13.319
dollars space is like one peg over
and you go, oh, it's my

3038
03:39:13.399 --> 03:39:15.879
turn to spin the wheel, and
then you spin it exactly one peg,

3039
03:39:16.159 --> 03:39:18.000
They're gonna be like, oh,
nope, you're aiming the wheel. So

3040
03:39:18.000 --> 03:39:20.000
you got to do that again.
So they put it right back to where

3041
03:39:20.040 --> 03:39:24.159
it was and they say, okay, spin the wheel like for real,

3042
03:39:24.719 --> 03:39:28.479
and don't aim because because you know, the judges will tell if you will

3043
03:39:28.520 --> 03:39:30.920
be able to tell if you're aiming
to be clear, if you do aim,

3044
03:39:30.920 --> 03:39:33.159
they don't put that on the air. Correct. Yeah, I've never

3045
03:39:33.159 --> 03:39:35.239
seen that watching it, that's right. Yeah, yeah, they're gonna.

3046
03:39:35.319 --> 03:39:37.760
Yeah. I wish they I wish
they wouldn't then say no, no,

3047
03:39:37.760 --> 03:39:39.879
no, no, no great,
no no no, no, you fucking

3048
03:39:41.360 --> 03:39:46.120
it make people heal, do it
again, do it again. Still,

3049
03:39:46.479 --> 03:39:48.200
if game shows were still live to
tape, that probably would make it on

3050
03:39:48.239 --> 03:39:52.760
the air. Yeah, but uh
yeah and no, and that never came

3051
03:39:52.840 --> 03:39:54.920
up. Like, like I said, there were a few folks who couldn't

3052
03:39:54.959 --> 03:39:58.879
get it right the first time of
like like how much to put behind the

3053
03:39:58.920 --> 03:40:01.360
spin, But you know, nobody, like nobody was accused of cheating,

3054
03:40:01.399 --> 03:40:05.280
like nothing, nothing that catastrophic.
But yeah, they had us go through

3055
03:40:05.280 --> 03:40:07.920
a rehearsal round and the guy who
hosted us for the rehearsals wasn't It wasn't

3056
03:40:07.920 --> 03:40:11.959
even pat. It was like a
local I think it was a local magician,

3057
03:40:11.040 --> 03:40:16.000
like an LA magician who was just
just there to run us through rehearsal

3058
03:40:16.040 --> 03:40:22.520
rounds. So I actually I think
I because each group of three played one

3059
03:40:22.639 --> 03:40:26.239
round only for rehearsal, and I
solved. I solved our rehearsal puzzle.

3060
03:40:26.559 --> 03:40:31.959
So I was like feeling, you
know, reasonably confidence. It was big,

3061
03:40:33.000 --> 03:40:35.040
but I also well, but also
in fairness, I should say that

3062
03:40:35.639 --> 03:40:41.680
when you're doing the rehearsal round,
um, they don't like the goal of

3063
03:40:41.680 --> 03:40:46.040
the rehearsal round is to get everybody
to spin at least once, to get

3064
03:40:46.040 --> 03:40:48.239
everybody to call a letter at least
once. So like if there was a

3065
03:40:48.280 --> 03:40:52.600
moment where player one spins but they
immediately know the puzzle and they go,

3066
03:40:52.639 --> 03:40:54.920
hey, can I solve it,
the rehearsal host to be like, uh

3067
03:40:54.000 --> 03:40:56.520
no, actually, because it's player
teams turned to span, okay, go

3068
03:40:58.000 --> 03:41:01.360
and then like if you land on
a bankrupt they he just nudges the wheel

3069
03:41:01.399 --> 03:41:05.440
so that it gets out of bankrupt
so that they can actually hear you call

3070
03:41:05.479 --> 03:41:09.079
a letter. Like that was that
was the ultimate goal. But that being

3071
03:41:09.079 --> 03:41:11.680
said, I did still feel really
really good about the fact that I saw

3072
03:41:11.719 --> 03:41:15.399
the rehearsal puzzle. So they did. Yeah, So we did all the

3073
03:41:15.399 --> 03:41:18.079
rehearsals and then we did the they
did the first the first taped episode,

3074
03:41:18.760 --> 03:41:24.000
um, and then we went up
for number two and yeah, Pat walked

3075
03:41:24.000 --> 03:41:28.120
out. And the thing is like
when cameras roll and Pat and Vanna walk

3076
03:41:28.159 --> 03:41:31.159
out, you go right into the
game because they actually they do the first

3077
03:41:31.200 --> 03:41:35.959
toss up puzzle before they even interview
the contestants. So so you have like

3078
03:41:37.079 --> 03:41:39.360
right us, they say, okay, cameras are rolling. You gotta be

3079
03:41:39.399 --> 03:41:43.040
in you gotta be in game mode. Remind me that day there's on television.

3080
03:41:43.079 --> 03:41:46.280
They interview first, right, No, no, no, I'm so

3081
03:41:46.440 --> 03:41:48.920
when okay on TV, Pat walks
out, he says, okay, we're

3082
03:41:48.920 --> 03:41:52.040
going to do our first toss up. You do the first toss up and

3083
03:41:52.079 --> 03:41:54.559
then they interview and it comes oh
yeah, okay, rings a bell yep.

3084
03:41:56.799 --> 03:41:58.879
Um, So yeah I got I
got the first toss up and I

3085
03:42:00.000 --> 03:42:03.239
I felt pretty good about that.
And then there was a lot of there

3086
03:42:03.239 --> 03:42:07.479
were a lot of little moments that
I remember from the taping that didn't make

3087
03:42:07.520 --> 03:42:13.520
it to air, Like, um, I remember the contestant team was really

3088
03:42:13.559 --> 03:42:20.879
nervous about how I held the buzzer, so they taught us. They taught

3089
03:42:20.920 --> 03:42:24.799
us that the technique to hold the
buzzer was just hold it in one hand

3090
03:42:24.280 --> 03:42:28.959
and press the button with your thumb
and press in release and once you're release,

3091
03:42:28.040 --> 03:42:33.840
that's when you ring in. Me
being the freak that I am,

3092
03:42:33.920 --> 03:42:37.680
I also so when I was a
kid, I played a lot of Mario

3093
03:42:37.760 --> 03:42:43.440
Party and my technique for button mashing
on Mario Party was like, just put

3094
03:42:43.479 --> 03:42:46.879
my index finger on it and just
like vibrate and just tap and tap and

3095
03:42:46.920 --> 03:42:50.719
tap, and but I had to
keep the controller steady. So I would

3096
03:42:50.760 --> 03:42:54.159
put the controller on the table and
with the left hand and then with the

3097
03:42:54.239 --> 03:42:56.159
right hand, I would just tap
tap tap, tap tap, And I

3098
03:42:56.200 --> 03:43:00.360
got pretty good at it. So
I was like, Okay, well,

3099
03:43:00.360 --> 03:43:03.680
if that worked for Maria Party,
it clearly will work for Wheel of Fortune.

3100
03:43:03.840 --> 03:43:07.120
So I held the buzzer in my
left hand, but then put my

3101
03:43:07.239 --> 03:43:11.879
right index finger on the button to
buzz in, and like I was very

3102
03:43:11.959 --> 03:43:16.360
intense, and like when in rehearsals
when I rung in, I like,

3103
03:43:16.719 --> 03:43:20.159
instead of just pushing the button once, which they tell us to do,

3104
03:43:20.239 --> 03:43:22.159
I was like mashing it. Like
I felt like I was back playing Maria

3105
03:43:22.200 --> 03:43:24.840
Party again. And they were like, uh, Fred, you're making us

3106
03:43:24.840 --> 03:43:30.479
nervous. Please please just try and
you know, you know, if you

3107
03:43:30.559 --> 03:43:33.559
know it, just ring in once
and then trust me you we'll pick it

3108
03:43:33.639 --> 03:43:37.120
up. We'll get you actually,
And then we did the first toss up

3109
03:43:37.159 --> 03:43:41.840
and I rung in in my usual
way, and if you watch it,

3110
03:43:41.840 --> 03:43:45.440
you'll see like my whole body like
jolts when I ring in, and Pat

3111
03:43:45.479 --> 03:43:46.959
commented on that. He was like, after I solved it, he was

3112
03:43:46.959 --> 03:43:48.879
like, I like how you rung
in with your whole body. That was

3113
03:43:48.920 --> 03:43:54.479
really cool. But that comment was
eded out. That commented, oh,

3114
03:43:54.600 --> 03:43:56.879
so it just looks like you're orgasming. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

3115
03:43:58.159 --> 03:44:01.040
So they go into the interview and
and Pat we talk about how I'm a

3116
03:44:01.079 --> 03:44:05.360
teacher, a trivia host, and
then I say I'm a pro wrestler,

3117
03:44:05.399 --> 03:44:09.959
and Pat says, so I think
they cut out of the airing that.

3118
03:44:09.000 --> 03:44:11.760
He said something like, oh yeah, those things just go together naturally,

3119
03:44:11.799 --> 03:44:15.840
of course. And then no,
he said that I remember that. I

3120
03:44:15.879 --> 03:44:18.159
remember that, okay. And then
he said do you get paid to wrestle,

3121
03:44:18.280 --> 03:44:22.760
which was not a question I was
expecting to hear, and so I

3122
03:44:22.879 --> 03:44:28.200
just said very little, but I
do it for fun, and that's true.

3123
03:44:28.280 --> 03:44:31.760
I think I think I've gotten thirty
bucks for one show, and that's

3124
03:44:31.799 --> 03:44:35.479
literally the extent of my payday.
And wrestling. So yeah, so that

3125
03:44:35.520 --> 03:44:39.639
was it, and then we talked
about my girlfriend, we talked about my

3126
03:44:39.680 --> 03:44:43.559
grandma. These are all things that
like you go over pretty in depth with

3127
03:44:43.600 --> 03:44:46.280
the contestant team beforehand, and Pat's
got all the notes on his card,

3128
03:44:46.680 --> 03:44:54.079
so so yeah, and I was
really glad that I had that chance because

3129
03:44:54.479 --> 03:44:58.040
my grandma was the person that I
mainly grew up watching Wheel with and so

3130
03:44:58.200 --> 03:45:01.799
I was. I was really happy
that I got to give her a shout

3131
03:45:01.799 --> 03:45:03.719
out. And when I looked at
the camera and I said, Mamma,

3132
03:45:03.799 --> 03:45:05.840
I love you. Pat looked at
the camera, he goes, we love

3133
03:45:05.879 --> 03:45:09.600
you too, mamma, and like
there was an audible awe from the audience,

3134
03:45:09.639 --> 03:45:13.760
which which was really cool, and
then they clapped for me, and

3135
03:45:13.799 --> 03:45:15.440
Pat was like, all right,
good luck, and I yeah, I

3136
03:45:15.479 --> 03:45:20.799
just I was. I think part
of my nervousness was also not was also

3137
03:45:20.879 --> 03:45:24.639
that I didn't want to completely botch
the interview and like either leave things out

3138
03:45:24.760 --> 03:45:28.639
or sound like a dork. But
I was. I was happy with how

3139
03:45:28.639 --> 03:45:30.639
it went, So I felt a
lot better after that. The buzzer,

3140
03:45:30.719 --> 03:45:35.280
what is it look and feel like? Um, it's pretty like like picture

3141
03:45:35.319 --> 03:45:41.639
a Jeopardy buzzer. It's pretty much
exactly that. It's uh, it felt

3142
03:45:41.680 --> 03:45:46.399
almost like the button almost felt like
like an arcade style like, okay,

3143
03:45:46.639 --> 03:45:52.280
is it red? It was red? Is the device black? Ah?

3144
03:45:52.319 --> 03:45:58.280
I it's either black or it's the
color. It's whatever color contestant you are

3145
03:45:58.319 --> 03:46:01.840
playing. So it chord lists,
No, it's it's corded. What what

3146
03:46:03.079 --> 03:46:07.040
if I was standing there and I
looked down, What do I see?

3147
03:46:07.159 --> 03:46:09.200
Just wood like propping up the set? Or what is there? Something?

3148
03:46:09.520 --> 03:46:15.799
Is there water down there? Like
I'm fascinating. So there are platforms that

3149
03:46:15.920 --> 03:46:20.680
we stand on that actually before cameras
roll, they actually adjust the height of

3150
03:46:20.680 --> 03:46:24.799
the platforms so that we are all
like wrestling again brothers, Yeah, relatively

3151
03:46:24.799 --> 03:46:28.600
the same height and that we are
all like in in the camera shot.

3152
03:46:28.959 --> 03:46:33.120
So they had to adjust our heights
a little bit. And you look down

3153
03:46:33.280 --> 03:46:39.920
and it's padding on the sort of
armrest, uh podium, It's it's like

3154
03:46:39.040 --> 03:46:43.799
gray padding. And then the scoreboards
are underneath that, but we can't really

3155
03:46:43.799 --> 03:46:48.079
see the scoreboards. And then below
us from there is the wheel and the

3156
03:46:48.159 --> 03:46:52.159
wheel is way fucking heavier than it
looks on TV. Yes, talk about

3157
03:46:52.159 --> 03:46:56.600
this, So it's it's metal pegs
and you have to grab one of the

3158
03:46:56.600 --> 03:47:00.959
pegs. And in my case,
since I'm left handed, like right handers

3159
03:47:00.959 --> 03:47:03.840
can just kind of push it across
them, I had to reach across myself

3160
03:47:05.360 --> 03:47:09.399
grab a peg and just and pull
on it and just yank it across and

3161
03:47:09.680 --> 03:47:13.000
like literally, just from rehearsals,
my hand was getting red and blistery.

3162
03:47:13.079 --> 03:47:16.079
Like, so you pull, you
don't push? I pull? Yeah,

3163
03:47:16.600 --> 03:47:20.440
it because I'm left handed, so
I have to push. Yeah, but

3164
03:47:20.280 --> 03:47:24.239
who's pushing? Brother? Who's getting
to push? What? Dude? Push?

3165
03:47:24.879 --> 03:47:28.079
Brother? Do you mean to create
a line? Push? Dude?

3166
03:47:28.879 --> 03:47:33.719
So so you're doing all this is
okay, tremendous. So if you can't

3167
03:47:33.719 --> 03:47:35.440
see the scoreboard, then how do
you know how you're doing? Because they

3168
03:47:35.479 --> 03:47:41.120
have a scoreboard just off camera for
us to look at. Okay yeah yeah

3169
03:47:41.280 --> 03:47:45.600
yeah, so they like it's like
it gives us like your total current,

3170
03:47:45.840 --> 03:47:48.319
your total just for the round,
your total overall, like it's all it's

3171
03:47:48.319 --> 03:47:52.639
all on there. How how how
close did you come to bankrupt? I

3172
03:47:52.799 --> 03:47:56.920
got bankrupt once? Oh I did
get it once? Okay, yeah,

3173
03:47:56.959 --> 03:48:01.399
so so once if you saw a
puzzle, everything that you win in that

3174
03:48:01.479 --> 03:48:05.360
round is yours to keep even if
you get bankrupt later on. I think

3175
03:48:05.440 --> 03:48:09.719
it was the second main game.
It was the mystery round and I landed

3176
03:48:09.760 --> 03:48:13.120
on the mystery wedge, which I
was already So do you know what the

3177
03:48:13.159 --> 03:48:16.479
mystery wedges? Are you familily with
that? Yes, So like you land

3178
03:48:16.520 --> 03:48:20.239
on it and it's it's like a
mystery panel that is either containing ten thousand

3179
03:48:20.360 --> 03:48:24.000
or a bankrupt So like the suspense
is like is he gonna pick it up?

3180
03:48:24.079 --> 03:48:28.000
Is he not? And I was
That's one thing I was nervous about

3181
03:48:28.040 --> 03:48:30.639
because I was like, uh,
do I Am I gonna want to risk

3182
03:48:30.719 --> 03:48:33.600
it? Am I gonna want to
play it safe? I'm generally a pretty

3183
03:48:33.600 --> 03:48:37.559
safe like I'm not much of a
gambler, so I didn't think I would

3184
03:48:37.559 --> 03:48:41.040
do it. But then I guess
just the pressure of the camera and pat

3185
03:48:41.079 --> 03:48:41.959
being like is he gonna do it? Is he gonna do it? I

3186
03:48:43.000 --> 03:48:45.440
did it. I picked it up
and it was bankrupt, and I was

3187
03:48:45.479 --> 03:48:48.360
like, oh fuck. But that's
that's the only time I got bankrupt.

3188
03:48:48.399 --> 03:48:52.719
I very narrowly avoided bankrupt a couple
of times. Like I think in the

3189
03:48:52.719 --> 03:48:58.239
first round there was one spin where
like I was like one click shy of

3190
03:48:58.319 --> 03:49:01.879
bankrupt, and it was almost the
end of the round too, so if

3191
03:49:01.879 --> 03:49:05.600
I had gotten and then I probably
would have lost. So to me,

3192
03:49:05.639 --> 03:49:07.239
it's all chance. I mean,
you got to know the puzzle. But

3193
03:49:07.479 --> 03:49:11.000
is there any strategy? Is there
anything you do that's sort of like trying

3194
03:49:11.000 --> 03:49:16.079
to game the other person? My
strategy, Well, at the time,

3195
03:49:16.120 --> 03:49:18.680
you know, it's funny. I
think I've been thinking a lot about strategy

3196
03:49:18.719 --> 03:49:22.639
after the fact. I will say
though, that my strategy was always to

3197
03:49:22.799 --> 03:49:28.680
solve as soon as I know it, and don't try and spin a few

3198
03:49:28.719 --> 03:49:31.520
more times to get some extra money, because that's how you're going to bankrupt.

3199
03:49:33.120 --> 03:49:35.959
So like the moment that I figure
out what the puzzle is, I

3200
03:49:35.000 --> 03:49:39.879
solve it. There are people who
don't do that there Oh yeah, there

3201
03:49:39.159 --> 03:49:43.680
are people who want to spin,
who just want to spend for the money.

3202
03:49:43.920 --> 03:49:48.600
Yeah, there are people who want
It's less common now because I will

3203
03:49:48.639 --> 03:49:52.079
say, the wheel is a lot
heavier than it actually used to be,

3204
03:49:52.799 --> 03:49:56.079
and so therefore bankrupts and loser turns
are landed on much more frequently now than

3205
03:49:56.120 --> 03:50:01.799
they used to be. So I
think I think there's been a trend of

3206
03:50:01.840 --> 03:50:05.120
people playing it closer to chest now
than there was sort of back in the

3207
03:50:05.200 --> 03:50:11.760
day. But I also, I
think part of the strategy and I wish

3208
03:50:11.760 --> 03:50:13.639
I had paid more attention to this
when I was on the show. Part

3209
03:50:13.639 --> 03:50:18.639
of the strategy is also getting familiar
with like when you do a typical spin,

3210
03:50:20.319 --> 03:50:24.840
about how much of the wheel are
you spinning? Like it's different for

3211
03:50:24.920 --> 03:50:28.760
everybody, Like, you know,
my two opponents when they spun, they

3212
03:50:28.840 --> 03:50:35.040
might they've got roughly halfway round the
wheel. When I spun, I realized

3213
03:50:35.159 --> 03:50:39.120
watching it back after the fact that
I usually made about a full revolution on

3214
03:50:39.159 --> 03:50:46.200
the wheel, and so so like
there were like in the first round,

3215
03:50:46.280 --> 03:50:50.239
there was a moment where I spun
and I landed on like the space right

3216
03:50:50.280 --> 03:50:52.920
before bankrupt, And then I spun
again and I landed on the space like

3217
03:50:54.000 --> 03:50:58.319
right after that same bankrupt. So
you know, part of the strategy is

3218
03:50:58.360 --> 03:51:03.200
like, you know, figuring out
what what your average is as far as

3219
03:51:03.319 --> 03:51:05.479
about how much you spin, and
then based on that, like, are

3220
03:51:05.520 --> 03:51:09.360
you like if you look down and
you're looking at a bankrupt close to you,

3221
03:51:09.799 --> 03:51:13.159
maybe you just your spin strength a
little bit so that you don't hit

3222
03:51:13.200 --> 03:51:16.040
it um again. That's something I
wish I had done, and I didn't

3223
03:51:16.120 --> 03:51:20.200
but um, I think it.
I think it worked out for me.

3224
03:51:20.239 --> 03:51:22.760
Yeah, it's because something you can't
practice, it's something you can't you can't

3225
03:51:22.799 --> 03:51:28.120
know until you're there exactly. And
Megan, my girlfriend, kept joking with

3226
03:51:28.159 --> 03:51:30.600
me because she wanted me to practice
a lot, and we did play a

3227
03:51:30.600 --> 03:51:33.319
lot of practice games. But she
was also like, we should build like

3228
03:51:33.319 --> 03:51:37.239
a replica wheel. All that would
do is give you the wrong idea of

3229
03:51:37.239 --> 03:51:41.600
how hard you have to push exactly
exactly. And by vowels, that was

3230
03:51:41.159 --> 03:51:46.280
that was they they like they themselves, Like Vanna when she came up to

3231
03:51:46.360 --> 03:51:48.440
us in the morning, she was
like, guys, remember by vowels,

3232
03:51:48.440 --> 03:51:52.280
they will help you. Um so
yeah, I like, as soon as

3233
03:51:52.319 --> 03:51:54.680
you've got enough money to run the
board of vowels, you just buy as

3234
03:51:54.680 --> 03:51:58.600
many as you can, right,
Yeah. Does anyone not do that?

3235
03:51:58.440 --> 03:52:03.600
Uh? I don't know. I
think some people forget like that. It's

3236
03:52:03.639 --> 03:52:05.920
a reminder more than it is,
like, yeah, a strategy, right,

3237
03:52:05.959 --> 03:52:09.799
Like, I think some people get
up there and either because they're nervous

3238
03:52:09.840 --> 03:52:13.520
or because they're otherwise occupied, they
forget that there are a vowels on the

3239
03:52:13.520 --> 03:52:18.280
board, like like so many contestants
and it's so unfortunate, and I feel

3240
03:52:18.280 --> 03:52:22.000
so bad for them. When a
contestant calls a letter that's already been called,

3241
03:52:22.399 --> 03:52:26.760
they lose their turn, even though
they're like, it's not you can't

3242
03:52:26.760 --> 03:52:30.239
see it on camera, but there
is a used letterboard off camera for us

3243
03:52:30.280 --> 03:52:35.040
to look at what letters have been
called and what letters haven't. But some

3244
03:52:35.079 --> 03:52:37.440
contestants forget that that's there, and
so like, you know, the contestant

3245
03:52:39.280 --> 03:52:41.719
the one before them called an H, and then it'll get to them and

3246
03:52:41.760 --> 03:52:45.479
they'll be like H. And then
Pat will be like, it's already been

3247
03:52:45.479 --> 03:52:50.079
called. Sorry. So is there
anything that I think you kind of alluded

3248
03:52:50.120 --> 03:52:54.680
to it with the aiming the wheel? Is there anything that happens that they

3249
03:52:54.719 --> 03:52:56.920
do it take two? You know, I'm trying to like kind of figure

3250
03:52:58.000 --> 03:53:03.040
like where the good TV mentality comes
in versus the our integrity of the game

3251
03:53:03.079 --> 03:53:07.799
mentality. The only time that between
both of my episodes, the only time

3252
03:53:07.840 --> 03:53:11.239
that we had to stop tape in
the middle of a playing of the game

3253
03:53:13.000 --> 03:53:16.479
was and it wasn't even my episode, it was somebody. It was another

3254
03:53:16.479 --> 03:53:20.559
one of the episodes. They were
doing the speed up round right before the

3255
03:53:20.559 --> 03:53:28.200
bonus round, and the puzzle was
the puzzle was longhorn cattle, and it

3256
03:53:28.239 --> 03:53:33.559
got to one of the guys and
he said it. He said longhorn cattle.

3257
03:53:33.559 --> 03:53:37.079
And I'm watching this from backstage.
He said longhorn cattle. And then

3258
03:53:37.079 --> 03:53:39.360
all of a sudden, Pat goes, yeah, we have to stop,

3259
03:53:39.479 --> 03:53:43.879
and so they stopped tape. And
I found out later that there was a

3260
03:53:43.920 --> 03:53:50.000
woman in the audience who yelled.
She said it loud enough so Pat could

3261
03:53:50.079 --> 03:53:52.760
hear it. She said longhorn cattle, and Pat heard it. The judges

3262
03:53:52.799 --> 03:53:56.120
heard it, so Pat was like, oh, we had to stop.

3263
03:53:56.200 --> 03:54:00.840
Oh my god. They had to
throw out that puzzle. That's like Vince's

3264
03:54:00.840 --> 03:54:05.760
trial making this yeah, right and
exactly. And the worst part I think

3265
03:54:05.840 --> 03:54:13.360
that I found out later that woman
was that contestant's grandmother. Scandal, right,

3266
03:54:13.879 --> 03:54:16.399
so they had to throw that puzzle
out. I think he the puzzle

3267
03:54:16.440 --> 03:54:20.479
they did to like when they reshot
it, I think he solved that puzzle

3268
03:54:20.520 --> 03:54:22.239
again. Anyway, So like,
you know, no big loss, right

3269
03:54:22.520 --> 03:54:26.520
there was that was that was a
big That was a So they take your

3270
03:54:26.520 --> 03:54:31.680
phones away, they block him up. Um, yeah, well no,

3271
03:54:31.399 --> 03:54:35.719
they just make us keep it off
in a way like if they see it,

3272
03:54:35.879 --> 03:54:37.959
you have it on your you have
it on your person when you're up

3273
03:54:37.000 --> 03:54:39.079
there, not on the stage.
No, no, no, no,

3274
03:54:39.120 --> 03:54:41.959
okay, that's right. When you're
when you're just a rat. Like we

3275
03:54:43.000 --> 03:54:46.719
walked into the Jeopardy studio and one
of the other contestants was really excited.

3276
03:54:46.760 --> 03:54:48.479
He had his phone out and he
was like taking a snapchat at the Jeopardy

3277
03:54:48.520 --> 03:54:52.479
stage and one of the producers was
like, uh, put it away,

3278
03:54:52.559 --> 03:54:54.799
put it away, and I and
delete that video. I didn't see anything,

3279
03:54:54.879 --> 03:54:58.079
but just but put it away.
I love it, so did anybody

3280
03:54:58.120 --> 03:55:01.680
You didn't put any and have to
shit And they had to stop the thing.

3281
03:55:03.360 --> 03:55:11.040
No, not literally, there was
there was a woman whom from my

3282
03:55:11.120 --> 03:55:15.319
first episode. She got up there
and she started talking to Pat and she

3283
03:55:15.440 --> 03:55:18.639
like she just totally like froze and
she kept fumbling her words and she was

3284
03:55:18.639 --> 03:55:20.280
like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and Pat was like, it's okay,

3285
03:55:20.319 --> 03:55:22.959
we'll just try again. So they
literally just they didn't even stop.

3286
03:55:24.000 --> 03:55:28.399
He just started all over again and
just went through the interview again and there

3287
03:55:28.440 --> 03:55:33.879
were now One thing that they do
cut out of the show usually is if

3288
03:55:33.879 --> 03:55:37.399
one of the contestants spins the final
Spin and they land on the bankrupt.

3289
03:55:39.319 --> 03:55:43.120
They usually cut that out because the
final spin is to determine how much money

3290
03:55:43.159 --> 03:55:46.559
they play for in the speed up
round. And on my second episode,

3291
03:55:46.879 --> 03:55:50.680
they got my opponent who spun the
final spin hit lose a turn, and

3292
03:55:50.719 --> 03:55:54.440
then he hit bankrupt. And both
times Pat was just like, up,

3293
03:55:54.559 --> 03:55:56.879
just spin again and we'll forget that
never happened. And then he spun it

3294
03:55:56.879 --> 03:55:58.639
again. He landed on lose a
turn. He said, spin again,

3295
03:55:58.639 --> 03:56:01.639
We'll forget it, ever happened.
He's fun again, and he landed on

3296
03:56:01.719 --> 03:56:07.920
five thousand, which was crazy,
was a crazy moment, but yeah,

3297
03:56:07.280 --> 03:56:09.479
forget it, ever happened. So
that's pro wrestling too, right there.

3298
03:56:09.600 --> 03:56:13.120
Wow, Hey, you know what
they say, if it doesn't happen on

3299
03:56:13.120 --> 03:56:18.680
TV, it doesn't happen. That's
so his Pat say, Jack's face,

3300
03:56:18.879 --> 03:56:22.360
Fred, is it alarming? Is
it caked? I'd imagine it's so made

3301
03:56:22.399 --> 03:56:26.600
up that you feel like you're looking
at a Madame Tussaud's wax figure. Yeah,

3302
03:56:26.600 --> 03:56:31.440
it's a little you can tell that
there's been some work. I actually,

3303
03:56:31.639 --> 03:56:35.760
I hate to say it, but
I noticed the makeup a little more

3304
03:56:35.799 --> 03:56:41.120
heavily on Vanna when because the winning
contesting gets to stand next to them for

3305
03:56:41.200 --> 03:56:45.479
the end credit shot. I'm standing
there and I'm talking to Vannah, and

3306
03:56:45.680 --> 03:56:50.559
I can I can see her makeup
like sweating off on her face. That's

3307
03:56:50.639 --> 03:56:52.959
right, that's right, that's right. I didn't really want to go in

3308
03:56:54.040 --> 03:56:58.399
on Vanda, but okay, yes, and she was I don't she was

3309
03:56:58.440 --> 03:57:01.840
so sweet and I and I love
van and I don't want to did they

3310
03:57:01.920 --> 03:57:05.520
put makeup on you? Listen?
Listen there there, Listen. They have

3311
03:57:05.559 --> 03:57:09.360
to look like they that they're not
eighty five years old. That's alarming how

3312
03:57:09.399 --> 03:57:13.159
long they've been doing this show.
Yeah, I mean when you think about

3313
03:57:13.159 --> 03:57:16.239
the height of it, do you
think of fucking Vanna White and Russellmini a

3314
03:57:16.479 --> 03:57:22.239
four right in nineteen eighty eight,
fucking thirty five years ago? Yea.

3315
03:57:22.159 --> 03:57:26.159
So what's the technology of the actual
letter board? Like, did you notice

3316
03:57:26.200 --> 03:57:30.520
anything you never appreciated about how the
letters light up, turn around, spin

3317
03:57:30.600 --> 03:57:35.559
around? Um well, I think
this season was the first season that the

3318
03:57:35.680 --> 03:57:41.799
board was like one single digitized screen
right there. That's like Kevin Dunn,

3319
03:57:41.879 --> 03:57:45.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For
a long time it was I mean,

3320
03:57:45.799 --> 03:57:48.600
you know, back in the eighties, it was like you turn the letters

3321
03:57:48.600 --> 03:57:52.840
and the spinning thing made me so
happy as a kid. I used to

3322
03:57:52.840 --> 03:57:56.600
fucking love that. I agree,
but but you know, and then in

3323
03:57:56.600 --> 03:58:01.879
the nineties they made it so that
each letter was its own digitized screen yep.

3324
03:58:01.280 --> 03:58:03.959
Um, so that's mostly what I'm
I was familiar with grown up.

3325
03:58:05.000 --> 03:58:07.120
And then I think this season that
I was on was the first season where

3326
03:58:07.159 --> 03:58:11.079
it was just one giant screen.
Fuck that all right? Fine? Yeah?

3327
03:58:11.440 --> 03:58:15.040
Um, so take listeners who didn't
get to see it all the way

3328
03:58:15.040 --> 03:58:18.600
through how you actually did and what
the puzzle was you you solved, and

3329
03:58:18.959 --> 03:58:24.200
take us from you know, your
whole your whole bid to compete here.

3330
03:58:24.600 --> 03:58:33.280
Sure, so I got humpback Whale
with others woo, and then who interviews

3331
03:58:33.559 --> 03:58:39.840
and then the second toss up was
on the count of three, which was

3332
03:58:39.920 --> 03:58:41.440
kind of weird. I'm actually like
some of the puzzles. I feel like

3333
03:58:41.479 --> 03:58:46.159
I should have gotten way sooner than
I did, but I got them all

3334
03:58:46.159 --> 03:58:50.319
anyway, so it doesn't matter.
Um. And then first main game.

3335
03:58:50.120 --> 03:58:56.159
First main game puzzle was a food
and drink puzzle and it was pineapple upside

3336
03:58:56.159 --> 03:59:01.799
down cake, which, funnily enough, I just randomly a few weeks ago

3337
03:59:01.959 --> 03:59:07.639
was watching an episode from like nineteen
eighty seven on YouTube and the puzzle was

3338
03:59:07.719 --> 03:59:09.959
the exact same one, pineapple upside
down cake, So I thought that was

3339
03:59:09.959 --> 03:59:15.799
pretty funny. And then we came
back and did the mystery round and it

3340
03:59:15.879 --> 03:59:18.520
was a it was a Wheel of
Fortune crossword puzzle, which I hate.

3341
03:59:18.920 --> 03:59:26.440
I despise the crossword puzzles I did
just it's very annoying. But the clue

3342
03:59:26.520 --> 03:59:28.600
was talking shop, so it was
like all the words and the crossword were

3343
03:59:28.639 --> 03:59:33.520
different kinds of shop and it was
body, coffee, pet, and pawn.

3344
03:59:35.479 --> 03:59:39.479
And then we came back from that
and we did the prize puzzle round,

3345
03:59:39.680 --> 03:59:43.639
which that was probably the most nerve
wracking round because if you know the

3346
03:59:43.680 --> 03:59:50.000
game, the contestant who solves the
prize puzzle automatically wins a trip and the

3347
03:59:50.159 --> 03:59:54.479
value of the trip is added to
their total, and it's such a little

3348
03:59:54.559 --> 03:59:58.319
cheap thing. It's such a little
fucking cheap thing they do there. Yeah,

3349
03:59:58.440 --> 04:00:01.120
so like I would say, like
nine times out of ten, whoever

3350
04:00:01.159 --> 04:00:05.600
solves the prize puzzle wins the whole
game because because that the boost in their

3351
04:00:05.639 --> 04:00:09.319
scores is so much that nobody can
catch them. So I was like,

3352
04:00:09.360 --> 04:00:15.760
if I don't get this prize puzzle, I'm probably fucked. So the Pride

3353
04:00:15.879 --> 04:00:20.200
it was two words and the first
word was unparalleled. I couldn't quite figure

3354
04:00:20.239 --> 04:00:22.840
out what the second word was it
it looked, I don't know, it

3355
04:00:22.879 --> 04:00:26.920
was weird. And then there were
like two or three blank spaces left and

3356
04:00:26.959 --> 04:00:33.680
I landed on the Express wedge,
Oh yeah, and I called a letter

3357
04:00:33.719 --> 04:00:35.719
that was in and then Pat was
like, do you want to do the

3358
04:00:35.760 --> 04:00:39.520
Express? And they actually cut out
of the of the airing because Pat has

3359
04:00:39.559 --> 04:00:43.159
to explain what the Express is like. He explains, like, you just

3360
04:00:43.239 --> 04:00:46.959
keep calling consonance. It's a thousand
bucks for each one if you if you

3361
04:00:46.040 --> 04:00:50.280
miss a letter, it's a bankrupt
And he was like do you want to

3362
04:00:50.319 --> 04:00:54.600
do it? Yes or no?
And I was so I couldn't make up

3363
04:00:54.639 --> 04:00:56.120
my mind because I was like,
I don't want to bankrupt, but I'm

3364
04:00:56.159 --> 04:00:58.200
so close to the end, like
is it worth it? Is it worth

3365
04:00:58.239 --> 04:01:03.399
it? And if you if a
contestant goes five seconds or longer without deciding

3366
04:01:03.399 --> 04:01:09.000
what to do, they bugged them
out and there turns over. So Pat

3367
04:01:09.079 --> 04:01:11.600
was standing there going yes or no, Fred, yes or no, Yes

3368
04:01:11.680 --> 04:01:13.319
or no, And finally I was
like, no, no, I don't

3369
04:01:13.319 --> 04:01:16.360
want to do it. I don't
want to do it, and they cut

3370
04:01:16.360 --> 04:01:20.920
they cut out Pat sort of wow, prodding me. They cut that out.

3371
04:01:20.399 --> 04:01:24.600
So so I said, no,
I didn't wanted the express. I

3372
04:01:24.639 --> 04:01:26.559
spun the wheel. And then as
soon as I spun the wheel, I

3373
04:01:26.600 --> 04:01:30.680
looked up and I said, oh, it's hiking, unparalleled hiking. So

3374
04:01:30.920 --> 04:01:33.520
I called the k and then I
was like, okay, I'm going to

3375
04:01:33.600 --> 04:01:35.040
solve right now. And actually,
looking back, I'm glad that it was

3376
04:01:35.120 --> 04:01:39.520
hiking. It could have veried just
as easily been biking. So I called

3377
04:01:39.600 --> 04:01:45.360
unparalleled hiking, and which is kind
of a weird puzzle. Even Pat pointed

3378
04:01:45.360 --> 04:01:46.440
that out on the air. He
said, he said, so, I

3379
04:01:46.479 --> 04:01:52.120
guess that would be what perpendicular hiking? Yeah, and then he said he

3380
04:01:52.200 --> 04:01:56.399
said, by the way, you
just want a trip to Costa Rica,

3381
04:01:56.479 --> 04:02:03.159
And that was I freaked the fuck
out because it was it was Hawaii themed

3382
04:02:03.159 --> 04:02:07.079
week, so I was kind of
expecting, naturally, diget a trip to

3383
04:02:07.120 --> 04:02:11.399
Hawaii, which I would have been
fine with, but I don't know,

3384
04:02:11.440 --> 04:02:16.559
Hawaii is just not high on my
list of like tourist destinations. Um,

3385
04:02:16.879 --> 04:02:18.319
but then you said Costa Rica,
which is high on my list. And

3386
04:02:18.360 --> 04:02:24.280
I was like, I was completely
stunned. And then listening to Jim the

3387
04:02:24.399 --> 04:02:28.920
Void, the announcer, like talk
about the resort and all this stuff,

3388
04:02:30.000 --> 04:02:33.760
like I was, yeah, I
was pretty much crying. And then when

3389
04:02:33.799 --> 04:02:37.000
camera stopped rolling, I did cry
and one of the contestants looks over at

3390
04:02:37.000 --> 04:02:39.200
me and she goes, what are
you crying for? We're the ones who

3391
04:02:39.200 --> 04:02:43.479
were supposed to be crying? Yeah
right, um, wow, that's great.

3392
04:02:43.520 --> 04:02:48.520
So did you go yet? No, we have a year after our

3393
04:02:48.559 --> 04:02:54.520
air date to go. We're thinking
probably sometime during the holidays, like maybe

3394
04:02:54.600 --> 04:02:58.319
Christmas break nice, that's what you
and a guest the one one more ticket

3395
04:02:58.399 --> 04:03:01.719
yep, yep. Um. So
we came back from that, and then

3396
04:03:01.719 --> 04:03:03.200
it was the Triple toss Ups,
which is the three toss ups in a

3397
04:03:03.280 --> 04:03:07.680
row, and showbiz was the category, so I was already like, okay,

3398
04:03:09.479 --> 04:03:13.159
pop culture, I'm feeling it.
And the first one was non speaking

3399
04:03:13.319 --> 04:03:18.159
role yep, which which I was
kind of disappointed. I didn't get it

3400
04:03:18.200 --> 04:03:20.559
sooner, but it but like it
was fine, I got it. And

3401
04:03:20.600 --> 04:03:24.639
then so the triple toss ups are
kind of a new thing, but if

3402
04:03:24.639 --> 04:03:28.000
you've been watching, you know that
the Triple toss ups are all connected in

3403
04:03:28.040 --> 04:03:31.959
some kind of way, right,
So non speaking role was the first one.

3404
04:03:33.000 --> 04:03:37.799
The second one comes up and snng
fill in on the top word.

3405
04:03:37.000 --> 04:03:41.040
So Jalicia, one of my opponents, ring in and she says speaking role

3406
04:03:41.079 --> 04:03:43.399
and Pat's like, Nope, that's
not correct, and so it keeps going

3407
04:03:43.520 --> 04:03:46.760
and I see a pe come up. I'm like, oh, it's supporting

3408
04:03:46.840 --> 04:03:48.719
role, so I ring in.
I get that. And before I even

3409
04:03:48.719 --> 04:03:52.680
saw the third puzzle, I was
like, Okay, we had non speaking,

3410
04:03:52.040 --> 04:03:56.760
we had supporting the third one.
There's the third one has to be

3411
04:03:56.799 --> 04:04:00.600
like a lead, like the lead
role, like some kind of way to

3412
04:04:00.680 --> 04:04:03.879
describe the lead role. So then
the puzzle came up and I just filled

3413
04:04:03.879 --> 04:04:05.040
it in. I was like,
oh, it's the starring role. So

3414
04:04:05.319 --> 04:04:09.399
I answered it like the G I
think came up and I just pressed it

3415
04:04:09.440 --> 04:04:13.000
immediately, and I was like,
yeah, it's the starring role. So

3416
04:04:13.399 --> 04:04:16.159
now, are you so laser focused
on answering this throughout every answer you've talked

3417
04:04:16.159 --> 04:04:20.840
about that you're only looking at Pat? Or are you looking at your fellow

3418
04:04:20.920 --> 04:04:24.879
contestants? Are they looking at you? Is there any gamesmanship there? They

3419
04:04:24.920 --> 04:04:28.760
always tell us keep our eyes on
the board like at all times, even

3420
04:04:28.840 --> 04:04:31.079
once you've spun the wheel, don't
look down to see what the total is

3421
04:04:31.079 --> 04:04:33.920
that you landed on, because Pat
will tell you just keep your eyes on

3422
04:04:33.959 --> 04:04:39.040
the board because the longer you keep
your eyes on the board, the better

3423
04:04:39.040 --> 04:04:41.959
you're going to have a chance of
solving, like the more work you're going

3424
04:04:43.000 --> 04:04:46.239
to do to fill in the missing
letters. Right. So I was just

3425
04:04:46.479 --> 04:04:50.239
laser, nobody makes any noises to
try to mess with your head or nobody.

3426
04:04:50.559 --> 04:04:54.879
Yeah, No, I think I
might have glanced over at Pat,

3427
04:04:54.959 --> 04:04:58.559
like when Jalicia rung in. When
she rung in, I thought, oh,

3428
04:04:58.600 --> 04:05:01.760
she's gonna get it. She's gonna
get it. And then I looked

3429
04:05:01.760 --> 04:05:03.959
over at Pat to see what would
he he was going to say, and

3430
04:05:03.000 --> 04:05:05.120
he was like, Nope, that's
not right. So I like, you

3431
04:05:05.120 --> 04:05:09.000
know, occasionally I look over at
Pat to see what he's doing, but

3432
04:05:09.159 --> 04:05:11.479
generally, yeah, we're just keeping
our eyes on the board. Yeah,

3433
04:05:11.520 --> 04:05:16.959
and then so so I got pretty
emotional again after that because the triple toss

3434
04:05:18.000 --> 04:05:20.760
up is two thousand for each puzzle, but if you solve all three,

3435
04:05:20.799 --> 04:05:24.239
they bumped the six thousand up to
ten thousand. So that was that was

3436
04:05:24.280 --> 04:05:30.520
another big boost in my score,
and then we did the like after that,

3437
04:05:30.600 --> 04:05:33.520
they called time, so I had
to do the final spin and then,

3438
04:05:33.840 --> 04:05:41.239
oh my god, the Speed Up
Round was about five minutes longer than

3439
04:05:41.280 --> 04:05:46.280
what actually made it to air,
because um so I was gonna say those

3440
04:05:46.360 --> 04:05:50.360
must go longer than they actually do. Oh yeah, so yeah. So

3441
04:05:50.399 --> 04:05:54.040
if you know the Speed Up Round, basically, nobody spins the wheel.

3442
04:05:54.040 --> 04:05:56.319
You just go one by one down
the row and call a letter and that's

3443
04:05:56.360 --> 04:06:00.959
your letters in the puzzle. You
get a chance to solve. But it

3444
04:06:01.000 --> 04:06:05.520
was a really short puzzle and we
just kept calling, like I think we

3445
04:06:05.600 --> 04:06:07.760
called a couple of letters that were
in it, and then there were at

3446
04:06:07.840 --> 04:06:15.399
least like three or four complete like
revolutions around all three of us where we

3447
04:06:15.440 --> 04:06:20.840
all called letters that weren't in the
puzzle, and I swear I feel like

3448
04:06:20.920 --> 04:06:24.959
we went through the entire alphabet.
The puzzle was Buzzer Beater, and we

3449
04:06:26.040 --> 04:06:28.760
got the R and the T.
We I think eventually we got the B.

3450
04:06:30.280 --> 04:06:33.360
Nobody ever wants to call vowels in
the Speed Up Round because vowels don't

3451
04:06:33.399 --> 04:06:37.559
win you any money, so we
just kept calling all the consonants and like

3452
04:06:37.600 --> 04:06:41.159
we got down to like X and
W and Y and like nothing was there,

3453
04:06:41.239 --> 04:06:46.479
and I think right before me,
Julicia called X, and I called

3454
04:06:46.600 --> 04:06:52.040
Z and the Z and they filled
in the two z's on buzzer. And

3455
04:06:52.840 --> 04:06:56.079
I had actually never heard that term
buzzer beater, which, like now I

3456
04:06:56.159 --> 04:07:01.920
know that it refers to like like
like when you shoot a hoop in basketball

3457
04:07:01.920 --> 04:07:05.479
and you make it just before the
buzzer, But at the time, I

3458
04:07:05.520 --> 04:07:11.440
thought buzzer beater referred to like a
Wheel of Fortune player who liked right,

3459
04:07:11.959 --> 04:07:16.840
That's how I choose to remember it
as. Anyway, so I got buzzer

3460
04:07:16.879 --> 04:07:20.319
beater. Pat walks over to me
with this like be fuddled look on his

3461
04:07:20.360 --> 04:07:22.440
face because I had just totally swept
the game, and I was like,

3462
04:07:22.559 --> 04:07:26.760
Pat, how did this happen?
Like what it like? Yeah? And

3463
04:07:26.840 --> 04:07:31.440
he oh my god. So he
went over to the two other ladies,

3464
04:07:31.479 --> 04:07:33.399
the two other contestants, and he
goes, you know, to you too.

3465
04:07:33.479 --> 04:07:37.319
I just want to say, sometimes
it just happens where someone gets really

3466
04:07:37.319 --> 04:07:39.319
hot and you know there's nothing you
can do about it, and you know

3467
04:07:39.360 --> 04:07:43.879
the way because they both were not
terribly lucky with hitting bankrupt, so that

3468
04:07:43.879 --> 04:07:48.120
that probably did a lot for me. So he like he shook both their

3469
04:07:48.159 --> 04:07:52.879
hands. He came over to me
and he was like, you brute,

3470
04:07:52.239 --> 04:07:54.840
just because he's a pro wrestler.
And he looks over at the at the

3471
04:07:54.879 --> 04:07:58.479
girls he goes, you want me
to body slam them for you? And

3472
04:07:58.319 --> 04:08:01.559
I will never forget. I can't
remember which one it was, but one

3473
04:08:01.600 --> 04:08:05.840
of the ladies very enthusiastically was like, yes, please, please do it.

3474
04:08:05.959 --> 04:08:09.120
Wants pain, wants that pain.
Right, Yet yet another person learns

3475
04:08:09.159 --> 04:08:13.520
the hard way about tea left adjacent
dominant. That's right, that's right,

3476
04:08:13.600 --> 04:08:18.799
that's right. So as Pat is
talking already, they've got the three categories.

3477
04:08:18.920 --> 04:08:22.520
Like, so the puzzle board,
like I said it was, it's

3478
04:08:22.559 --> 04:08:26.760
one big screen now, so in
addition to the puzzles, it'll also show

3479
04:08:26.840 --> 04:08:31.280
like advertisements and like whatever the theme
is it. So they put the three

3480
04:08:31.399 --> 04:08:37.639
bonus round categories on the puzzle from
the board for me to choose from.

3481
04:08:37.680 --> 04:08:41.879
And I was looking at those before
Pat even announced them, and I told

3482
04:08:43.079 --> 04:08:46.360
Megan, and I told everybody who
will listen that, hands down, the

3483
04:08:46.399 --> 04:08:54.280
best category to choose for your bonus
round is phrase because phrase is always going

3484
04:08:54.360 --> 04:08:58.760
to be a recognizable set of words
that your brain will do the work for

3485
04:08:58.799 --> 04:09:03.879
you of putting the words together,
or the other choices. So my choices

3486
04:09:03.920 --> 04:09:09.319
were what are you doing? Things? And phrase you can't tell you something?

3487
04:09:09.639 --> 04:09:13.719
There's one thing I cannot stand.
Well, I'll tell you what when

3488
04:09:13.719 --> 04:09:18.319
you're given the option of things or
thing or whatever. Yeah, I'm like,

3489
04:09:18.159 --> 04:09:22.479
I say, what is wrong with
anybody who fucking take You're stupid to

3490
04:09:22.520 --> 04:09:26.680
take that bet? That literally could
be anything? Yeah, it could be

3491
04:09:26.760 --> 04:09:31.719
anything. You want to narrow it
down as much as you can, right

3492
04:09:31.079 --> 04:09:35.319
right? I I totally agree.
Um, and then and even what are

3493
04:09:35.319 --> 04:09:43.559
you doing? Like? Category?
What do you? What do you do?

3494
04:09:43.600 --> 04:09:46.840
You do? It actually is what
do you do? You tell me

3495
04:09:46.840 --> 04:09:54.360
what that category? Well? Look
are you what? So what's he doing?

3496
04:09:54.520 --> 04:09:56.520
Did he talk? Did he join
you guys for lunch? By the

3497
04:09:56.520 --> 04:10:00.399
way, did you get to see
him eat? No? No, no,

3498
04:10:00.399 --> 04:10:03.239
no fucking way, are you kidding
me? He's in he's in his

3499
04:10:03.319 --> 04:10:07.399
office getting a fucking blow job?
All right? Come on? He uh?

3500
04:10:07.440 --> 04:10:11.719
He actually I took I got a
quick peek behind the puzzle board.

3501
04:10:11.799 --> 04:10:16.799
There's like a chair and a couch. There's like a catering table back there.

3502
04:10:16.840 --> 04:10:20.479
I would like carrots with ranch dressing
and stuff. Yes, yeah,

3503
04:10:20.639 --> 04:10:26.319
so so I didn't even have to
think twice I said phrase, And so

3504
04:10:26.360 --> 04:10:31.159
they cut to commercial and um,
the contestant. So we like, each

3505
04:10:31.200 --> 04:10:33.559
episode had their own member of the
contestant team who was kind of like their

3506
04:10:33.559 --> 04:10:41.120
coach and their mentor. And um, so Alex was was her name was

3507
04:10:41.120 --> 04:10:43.760
the girl that worked with us.
She was really nice. I really liked

3508
04:10:43.799 --> 04:10:48.680
her a lot. Um she talked
to us after every round and and I

3509
04:10:48.719 --> 04:10:54.399
remember the first couple of rounds as
I was solving puzzles, she kept looking

3510
04:10:54.440 --> 04:10:56.200
at Jelicia and Jenna and being like, ladies, the girl, the game

3511
04:10:56.280 --> 04:10:58.559
is not over. Don't worry.
You still got the prize puzzle coming up.

3512
04:10:58.559 --> 04:11:01.799
You still go all this coming up. And then even once I saw

3513
04:11:01.840 --> 04:11:03.000
the prize puzzle, she was like, ladies, you're not out of it

3514
04:11:03.079 --> 04:11:07.680
yet. Remember that. Wow,
the five thousand dollars spaces on the wheel.

3515
04:11:07.680 --> 04:11:09.200
You can make a comeback. It
can happen. I've seen it done.

3516
04:11:11.319 --> 04:11:18.280
And then cameras stopped after that last
round, and they escorted Jelicia and

3517
04:11:18.399 --> 04:11:22.200
Jenna off stage, and like I
was trying to like waive them, be

3518
04:11:22.239 --> 04:11:24.000
like by ladies. It was nice
to meet you. Thanks for and Jelicia

3519
04:11:24.079 --> 04:11:28.920
gave me like a half hearted like
congratulations, and then they walked off and

3520
04:11:28.959 --> 04:11:31.120
that was the last time I ever
saw them. You're damn right, fuck

3521
04:11:31.159 --> 04:11:35.959
you. Listen, listen to me, Fred. They hate you. That's

3522
04:11:35.040 --> 04:11:41.159
right that they will forever. By
all accounts from other contestants who saw them

3523
04:11:41.200 --> 04:11:45.360
in the dressing room afterwards, they
were extremely upset. Well, what did

3524
04:11:45.399 --> 04:11:48.440
you hear that? They said?
Yes, Um, I heard, I

3525
04:11:48.520 --> 04:11:54.639
heard that. Jenna said to somebody
like he got every puzzle, yes,

3526
04:11:54.200 --> 04:11:58.479
and yeah, I just I don't
know, I like yeah, And they

3527
04:11:58.520 --> 04:12:01.200
didn't and they did not dare stick
around for the rest of the tape.

3528
04:12:01.239 --> 04:12:07.200
I don't think they even saw Wow, look at that. Like. They

3529
04:12:07.520 --> 04:12:11.840
took their money and left, like
every everybody has to be paperwork for whatever

3530
04:12:11.879 --> 04:12:13.799
prizes they win, even if it's
just a thousand, So they went back

3531
04:12:13.799 --> 04:12:18.479
and did their paperwork and they dipped. I don't think they did anybody.

3532
04:12:18.680 --> 04:12:22.200
They thought they were ladies. You
don't have what it tanks. I think

3533
04:12:22.280 --> 04:12:26.840
understand that, sorry, understand that. Understand the fact that when you're going

3534
04:12:26.879 --> 04:12:33.479
up against the fucking Purple Parrot,
you're in for trouble is a reality.

3535
04:12:33.680 --> 04:12:37.360
So so you all right, so
tell us about that moment where you bring

3536
04:12:37.399 --> 04:12:43.559
it all home. So uh the
so Alex was like talking to me about

3537
04:12:43.559 --> 04:12:46.520
the Bonus Round, like giving me
coaches and that. Uh. The stage

3538
04:12:46.520 --> 04:12:52.319
manager is actually worked with us a
lot too. Actually the stage manager is

3539
04:12:52.399 --> 04:12:56.600
his name is Jimmy. He's also
a member of the clue crew on Jeopardy.

3540
04:12:56.600 --> 04:13:01.159
Um if like so for Jeopardy fans, if people recognize the faces of

3541
04:13:01.200 --> 04:13:03.639
the folks that do a lot of
the clues, he's one of them.

3542
04:13:03.680 --> 04:13:07.680
And he was a super nice guy. And he came up to me as

3543
04:13:07.680 --> 04:13:11.399
I was standing next to the like
the Bonus round little mini wheel that they

3544
04:13:11.399 --> 04:13:15.360
have a spin and he and he
made me do like a practice spin and

3545
04:13:15.959 --> 04:13:18.200
um, he like walked me through. He was like, Okay, you're

3546
04:13:18.239 --> 04:13:20.639
gonna do the spin. Pat's gonna
grab the envelope. You're gonna walk over

3547
04:13:20.680 --> 04:13:22.479
to this spot over here and then
you're gonna do it all right, good

3548
04:13:22.520 --> 04:13:26.280
luck man, And then he walked
off. Pat walked in next to me

3549
04:13:26.440 --> 04:13:28.799
and he was like, man,
you know you've you've killed it today,

3550
04:13:28.840 --> 04:13:31.520
like you did awesome. And then
I see my dad like they have.

3551
04:13:33.719 --> 04:13:37.920
Everybody's allowed up to two people to
come be get their guests that comes up

3552
04:13:37.959 --> 04:13:41.879
on stage with them. So I
see my dad walk over to the side

3553
04:13:41.879 --> 04:13:43.680
of the stage and he's in front
of a camera. They're putting makeup on

3554
04:13:43.760 --> 04:13:46.840
him real quick. They had to
actually put makeup on his bald head,

3555
04:13:46.959 --> 04:13:54.520
which I thought was pretty funny,
much better. So we so the cameras

3556
04:13:54.639 --> 04:13:58.920
roll and Pat is again is just
like yeah, like it's very rarely that

3557
04:14:00.000 --> 04:14:01.479
happens where somebody sweeps the game,
try and make it a clean sweep by

3558
04:14:01.479 --> 04:14:05.159
getting the bonus round. And then
they always ask you like do you have

3559
04:14:05.200 --> 04:14:07.040
a guest here? And I've said
my dad, my dad, Rich is

3560
04:14:07.079 --> 04:14:11.760
here. They cut the camera to
Rich and then Pat asked me, does

3561
04:14:11.799 --> 04:14:13.600
your dad wrestle? And that was
another question I wasn't expecting to hear,

3562
04:14:13.639 --> 04:14:18.840
so I kind of mumbled like,
oh no, he uh he supports me

3563
04:14:18.239 --> 04:14:26.760
in his real job, right,
So so I spun the bonus wheel.

3564
04:14:26.799 --> 04:14:28.840
Pat grabs the envelope. We go
and we go and look at the puzzle.

3565
04:14:30.680 --> 04:14:35.200
And now you talk about a moment
that I've played a million times in

3566
04:14:35.280 --> 04:14:41.079
my head. Yes, before,
before and after the fact, Like I

3567
04:14:41.200 --> 04:14:43.440
played it over a million times before
I went on the show, and I've

3568
04:14:43.440 --> 04:14:46.600
played it a million times after I've
gotten on the show. Standing there in

3569
04:14:46.639 --> 04:14:50.639
front of the bonus round puzzle again. The first thing I noticed as I

3570
04:14:50.680 --> 04:14:54.639
was standing there was that the stage
was brightly lit, but everything to my

3571
04:14:54.760 --> 04:15:00.719
left was complete dark. And then
they put up the bonus puzzle. It

3572
04:15:00.760 --> 04:15:03.959
was a pretty big puzzle, I
noticed, was the first thing. And

3573
04:15:03.680 --> 04:15:07.319
I had a pretty good clue as
to what some of the words were,

3574
04:15:07.840 --> 04:15:11.479
but I couldn't quite figure out like
the big operative word at the end,

3575
04:15:13.520 --> 04:15:20.280
and so I called my four letters
that I thought we're probably going to be

3576
04:15:20.280 --> 04:15:22.399
in the puzzle. I think I
called D, H, and O,

3577
04:15:22.920 --> 04:15:28.879
and then they filled him in and
it was like I wasn't one hundred percent

3578
04:15:28.920 --> 04:15:33.040
sure, but I had a pretty
good idea. And then Pat says good

3579
04:15:33.120 --> 04:15:35.879
luck. And as soon as Pat
says good luck, the clock starts and

3580
04:15:35.920 --> 04:15:41.239
you have ten seconds pretty much no
time, So I think the post thing.

3581
04:15:41.280 --> 04:15:43.879
I think. The first thing I
said was his mind is pondering.

3582
04:15:43.920 --> 04:15:46.600
And then I hear Pat, Oh, nope, nope, you still have

3583
04:15:46.680 --> 04:15:48.360
time, You still have time,
keep going, And then I said,

3584
04:15:48.360 --> 04:15:52.879
his mind is wondering. And then
I realized, wait, I called oh,

3585
04:15:52.520 --> 04:15:56.000
and they didn't put an O up
there, so clearly it's not wondering,

3586
04:15:56.440 --> 04:16:00.920
but maybe it's wandering. I didn't
call a I said, his mind

3587
04:16:00.000 --> 04:16:03.840
is wandering. And then they put
it up and Pat's like, yeah,

3588
04:16:03.879 --> 04:16:10.719
you got it, and I wow. Um that was yeah, that was

3589
04:16:11.239 --> 04:16:15.840
completely indescribable, the feeling that I
had, And then the feeling I had

3590
04:16:15.879 --> 04:16:18.920
again when Pat opened the envelope and
he showed it to me and it said

3591
04:16:18.959 --> 04:16:23.280
forty thousand dollars, I I think. I yeah, I broke down a

3592
04:16:23.280 --> 04:16:26.559
little bit. And then my dad
came up and hugged me, and I

3593
04:16:26.959 --> 04:16:29.760
think I left like a tear mark
on his shirt because I was crying so

3594
04:16:29.840 --> 04:16:33.000
much. And then oh, yeah, it was an incredible moment. And

3595
04:16:34.319 --> 04:16:38.920
then the icing on the cake.
Pat comes up behind me and puts me

3596
04:16:38.959 --> 04:16:44.360
in a face chicken wing. The
fact that he fucking the fact that he

3597
04:16:44.440 --> 04:16:49.760
fucking knew how to do that was
both surprising and very alarming to me.

3598
04:16:51.000 --> 04:16:52.079
Yeah. Yeah, so if I
was, if I was to be picky,

3599
04:16:52.200 --> 04:16:56.000
he actually kind of put me like
he like he put my arm in

3600
04:16:56.040 --> 04:16:59.840
like a hammer lock, like there's
a there's a verse. There's a very

3601
04:16:59.840 --> 04:17:03.159
specific way to trap the arm in
a chicken wing. He didn't quite do

3602
04:17:03.239 --> 04:17:06.159
it that, but he did.
He just kind of grabbed my forearm and

3603
04:17:06.239 --> 04:17:11.159
just held it behind me while he
like head locked my head. And with

3604
04:17:11.200 --> 04:17:12.680
no warning, by the way,
with no warning. No, this was

3605
04:17:12.760 --> 04:17:15.879
like everybody asked me, was this
the thing he told you he was gonna

3606
04:17:15.879 --> 04:17:19.079
do? No? No, this
was completely on the cuff or on the

3607
04:17:19.319 --> 04:17:25.760
arm, and uh and I but
I but I quick I realized pretty quickly.

3608
04:17:25.799 --> 04:17:26.920
I was like, Okay, he's
doing a bit. I'm gonna yes

3609
04:17:27.079 --> 04:17:30.079
end with him. I'm going to
sell. I'm going to sell for him,

3610
04:17:32.440 --> 04:17:37.159
absolutely. But I also I,
you know what, you know what

3611
04:17:37.159 --> 04:17:38.719
I would have loved. I'm sorry
to rub you know what I would have

3612
04:17:38.719 --> 04:17:44.959
loved if just instead of instead of
rolling with it, you just suddenly when

3613
04:17:45.079 --> 04:17:51.840
what the fuck is wrong with you? Just what I actually tried to do,

3614
04:17:51.920 --> 04:17:53.319
because there is a counter to the
hammer lock, and I tried to

3615
04:17:53.360 --> 04:17:59.360
like slide under him encounter and put
him in it. But he sincerely was

3616
04:17:59.399 --> 04:18:03.239
holding me so tight that I he
was shooting on you. That's right,

3617
04:18:03.319 --> 04:18:07.120
shooting, that's right, he was
shooting you. Know, he's he's he's

3618
04:18:07.399 --> 04:18:11.200
he's worked catch, that has worked
catch. And there is a moment like

3619
04:18:11.319 --> 04:18:15.440
you see it on the episode where
there's a moment where like I'm trying to

3620
04:18:15.520 --> 04:18:19.000
like get him, like like I'm
trying to get behind him, and I

3621
04:18:19.079 --> 04:18:22.680
put my foot out and he kind
of trips over my foot. Yeah,

3622
04:18:22.959 --> 04:18:26.879
yeah, and uh he almost he
almost ate shit. I mean I'm yeah,

3623
04:18:26.920 --> 04:18:30.879
but he kind of tripped and then
he just walked off like like I

3624
04:18:30.000 --> 04:18:33.600
love. My favorite part was that
he just walked off like it didn't even

3625
04:18:33.600 --> 04:18:37.239
happen. And then he just left
me there to just celebrate with my dad.

3626
04:18:37.319 --> 04:18:41.159
And this is the biggest lesson is
that despite this you know, realization

3627
04:18:41.239 --> 04:18:45.360
of a dream, you know,
despite this dream state you're in and it's

3628
04:18:45.399 --> 04:18:48.360
happening, all that ends up mattering, to say Jack at the end,

3629
04:18:48.399 --> 04:18:51.399
is that you're a wrestling fan.
Right. That's right. That's the one

3630
04:18:51.520 --> 04:18:53.639
thing he remembers about you. That's
the only thing he'll ever remember about you.

3631
04:18:53.879 --> 04:18:57.600
Maybe he'll remember what a goof,
but that is what a goof?

3632
04:18:57.639 --> 04:19:02.040
That's right. That's what we've been
talking about for ten years on this podcast.

3633
04:19:02.399 --> 04:19:04.239
Yeah. And I would not have
it any and you know what,

3634
04:19:04.559 --> 04:19:10.879
Frankly, if he hadn't done that
moment, I probably would not have become

3635
04:19:11.239 --> 04:19:15.719
like the meme for a day that
I became. So that was so damn

3636
04:19:15.760 --> 04:19:18.959
funny. I was like, I
was dying the fact that, like so

3637
04:19:19.000 --> 04:19:23.200
many people were fucking reposted, didn't
you. I think I saw it on

3638
04:19:23.280 --> 04:19:27.600
CNN. I saw it on my
cnnapp I saw I didn't even yeah,

3639
04:19:27.680 --> 04:19:32.360
yeah, yeah, I think I
saw that, And I think I didn't

3640
04:19:32.399 --> 04:19:34.840
I send you something you might have
m I feel like I sent you something.

3641
04:19:34.920 --> 04:19:37.079
It was like a headline boss,
like you know, Pat say Jack

3642
04:19:37.120 --> 04:19:41.000
gets physical with Yeah. Yeah,
yeah it was, And it was done,

3643
04:19:41.040 --> 04:19:44.639
you know, tongue in cheek obviously, but it was. It was

3644
04:19:44.680 --> 04:19:47.719
really funny. Well, there were
some there were some people that were pointing

3645
04:19:47.719 --> 04:19:52.079
out that there were a couple of
articles, like Fox News was guilty of

3646
04:19:52.120 --> 04:19:56.040
this where the headline was like really
misleading, like it said like Pat say,

3647
04:19:56.159 --> 04:20:04.040
Jack loses it gets rough with right
test like something that's like erroneously telling

3648
04:20:04.040 --> 04:20:08.399
you, like basically anything that he
just freaked out on a contestant. But

3649
04:20:08.959 --> 04:20:12.680
I am in taking consideration too,
the fact that you know what you got

3650
04:20:12.760 --> 04:20:15.280
him in he's got you in that
hold, and you're you know, you

3651
04:20:15.360 --> 04:20:19.159
get your mouth like screaming because you're
selling for him. And that's the still

3652
04:20:19.559 --> 04:20:23.159
that fucking you know they're posting on
all these these news websites and shit,

3653
04:20:25.079 --> 04:20:30.920
yeah, yeah it's true. Um, it's actually uh my dad who was

3654
04:20:30.959 --> 04:20:33.879
on the show with and my dad
loved it as well. He was cracking

3655
04:20:33.959 --> 04:20:38.040
up. And he actually reached out
to Fox News themselves and he sent them

3656
04:20:38.040 --> 04:20:41.440
an EMO like, Hey, just
so you guys know this, this this

3657
04:20:41.600 --> 04:20:45.959
article was reported a little irresponsibly.
It was all in good fun. We

3658
04:20:45.040 --> 04:20:51.079
all had fun, we all loved
it, um, and all he had

3659
04:20:51.120 --> 04:20:56.680
to say was this. All he
had to say was this fake exactly exactly.

3660
04:20:56.719 --> 04:21:02.200
And then actually, uh uh,
the woman that he was corresponding with

3661
04:21:02.280 --> 04:21:06.879
from Fox News's digital team actually reached
out to me on Instagram and was like,

3662
04:21:06.920 --> 04:21:08.600
hey, I'd love to interview,
and I left her unread because I'm

3663
04:21:08.639 --> 04:21:14.600
not talking to Fox News. Good, damn right, unbelievable, So damn

3664
04:21:14.719 --> 04:21:18.639
fucking right. So forty grand guy, that must feel good. Taxes withheld

3665
04:21:18.760 --> 04:21:19.479
or do you have to worry about
that at the end of the year.

3666
04:21:19.799 --> 04:21:26.399
So the final total was seventy five
eight hundred, so that's that's forty thousand

3667
04:21:26.680 --> 04:21:30.559
bonus and then thirty five eight was
my main game total. Nine thousand of

3668
04:21:30.559 --> 04:21:36.520
that was the trip to Costa Rica. Yes, my cash net was sixty

3669
04:21:36.559 --> 04:21:41.680
six eight um. So when they
send you the check, they take out

3670
04:21:41.719 --> 04:21:45.079
if you're not a California resident,
they take out California tax, which is

3671
04:21:45.600 --> 04:21:51.440
which is about seven percent um.
Everything else you get, but it's that's

3672
04:21:51.479 --> 04:21:53.520
seven percent. That's it. Jesus. Well you get, you get the

3673
04:21:53.559 --> 04:21:56.479
full amount. But Uncle Sam's going
to come calling next year of course.

3674
04:21:56.479 --> 04:22:00.680
Oh yeah in the federal side,
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because they

3675
04:22:00.760 --> 04:22:03.120
they do. You have to play
in your state too. Um, I

3676
04:22:03.159 --> 04:22:07.360
don't think so you don't plan too. I don't plan too. Yeah.

3677
04:22:07.399 --> 04:22:11.760
Oh you're better brother. Oh that's
great man, I'm so happy for you.

3678
04:22:11.799 --> 04:22:15.440
That's so cool. So you're on
the you're on the plane back.

3679
04:22:15.959 --> 04:22:19.440
Yeah, what's it like? Oh
I can't what it was that even doing

3680
04:22:19.479 --> 04:22:26.360
I can't even remember. I think
I might have. Oh uh, it's

3681
04:22:26.719 --> 04:22:30.559
well flight, Yeah, the first
the first plane ride back wasn't so bad.

3682
04:22:30.280 --> 04:22:34.040
I think I flew Alaska Airlines,
which is it was my first time

3683
04:22:34.040 --> 04:22:37.280
flying Alaska, but they were great, Like first the flight was like,

3684
04:22:37.319 --> 04:22:41.719
Alaska was awesome. I think I
might have been going over lines in my

3685
04:22:41.760 --> 04:22:45.559
script for the play that I was
skipping rehearsal on today. Okay, so

3686
04:22:45.639 --> 04:22:48.280
you're right back to work, then
that's right. And as a matter of

3687
04:22:48.319 --> 04:22:52.280
fact, it's funny. So I
missed a couple of rehearsals for this play

3688
04:22:52.319 --> 04:22:56.959
that I was in to go on
Wheel of Fortune, and actually what the

3689
04:22:57.040 --> 04:23:00.920
first episode, while we're standing there
next to Pat and Vana for the end

3690
04:23:00.959 --> 04:23:03.600
credit shot, I actually look over
at Pat and I say, hey,

3691
04:23:03.639 --> 04:23:07.840
by the way, Because all of
my cast mates, once they found out

3692
04:23:07.879 --> 04:23:11.920
I was going to be on Wheel, they all like half jokingly and half

3693
04:23:11.959 --> 04:23:15.440
seriously, said, hey, you
should like slip Pat like an advertising card

3694
04:23:15.479 --> 04:23:18.360
for our show because he lives he
lives here, like he lives in our

3695
04:23:18.399 --> 04:23:21.559
area, so like, you know, maybe he can come see it.

3696
04:23:21.799 --> 04:23:23.559
And so I mentioned to Pat.
I was like, hey, by the

3697
04:23:23.559 --> 04:23:26.799
way, my my director would kill
me if I didn't mention to you,

3698
04:23:27.200 --> 04:23:32.600
I'm in a play at a theater
in Annapolis right downtown. And he I

3699
04:23:32.639 --> 04:23:33.079
mentioned the name of it. He
was like, oh, yeah, I've

3700
04:23:33.079 --> 04:23:36.360
heard of them, and he was
like, when does it run? And

3701
04:23:36.399 --> 04:23:37.719
I said, oh, you know
such and such a date and Pat was

3702
04:23:37.760 --> 04:23:42.680
like, I'll see what I can
do. And he never never, nope,

3703
04:23:42.760 --> 04:23:45.079
nope, nope. You know what. You know what? He saw

3704
04:23:45.120 --> 04:23:48.479
what he could do, all right, and he saw what he could do

3705
04:23:48.600 --> 04:23:52.799
and he chose something else. Right, you get nothing, you lose good,

3706
04:23:52.639 --> 04:23:56.680
right, you got enough for me
already, all right, I guess

3707
04:23:56.680 --> 04:24:00.680
gave you. You don't have a
friend for life here. I'll see it

3708
04:24:00.760 --> 04:24:07.200
later. Jesus Christ, he's fucking
contestants. Man, the show's over.

3709
04:24:07.239 --> 04:24:11.000
I'm so sick of the ship an. He's a ann he's a fucking actor,

3710
04:24:11.200 --> 04:24:15.479
Jesus Christ. Piece of shit hockey
is do they hear you the envelope

3711
04:24:15.479 --> 04:24:18.600
like you know Arnie Scollen and with
the visor on when you leave, or

3712
04:24:18.600 --> 04:24:22.000
does it come in the mail like
a day later mail it comes in.

3713
04:24:22.079 --> 04:24:23.760
I actually just got it like two
or three weeks ago. Did you worry

3714
04:24:23.760 --> 04:24:27.280
you weren't going to get it?
So they tell us, they tell us

3715
04:24:27.399 --> 04:24:33.479
up to one hundred and twenty days
of course airs on TV. You have

3716
04:24:33.639 --> 04:24:37.879
up to three years after TV after
an air's on TV for us to send

3717
04:24:37.879 --> 04:24:41.760
you the money and if it doesn't
come within three years, I can't do

3718
04:24:41.799 --> 04:24:45.600
anything about it, right right?
Yeah? U? So yeah, no,

3719
04:24:45.639 --> 04:24:48.360
it was no we go. So
they took me off stage. There's

3720
04:24:48.399 --> 04:24:52.280
a little room backstage where there's a
woman who like takes you through all your

3721
04:24:52.280 --> 04:24:56.280
paperwork and the papers you have to
sign for like whatever you want, like

3722
04:24:56.520 --> 04:24:59.520
like certainly if you want a trip, they have to get a lot of

3723
04:24:59.520 --> 04:25:03.440
infro from you, and just like
all this stuff. And then they actually

3724
04:25:03.440 --> 04:25:07.040
took me to a different room where
they had me interviewed by Maggie Stay Jack

3725
04:25:07.079 --> 04:25:12.280
Pat's daughter for their from the social
media page. She also was super nice

3726
04:25:12.479 --> 04:25:15.920
and she was great to talk to. She actually she asked to me in

3727
04:25:15.959 --> 04:25:18.680
the interview, she was like,
what do you think of my dad's wrestling

3728
04:25:18.719 --> 04:25:21.600
skills? And I was like,
he got me? What can I say?

3729
04:25:21.719 --> 04:25:23.319
Like I was he had me for
a shoot, Like he had me

3730
04:25:23.319 --> 04:25:29.680
pretty good. And actually after so
after the cameras rolled on that interview,

3731
04:25:30.479 --> 04:25:33.920
I mentioned to Maggie, I was
like, yeah, you know, I

3732
04:25:33.360 --> 04:25:38.040
you know, I'm a fellow Saverna
Parkyan or whatever. And her mom,

3733
04:25:38.360 --> 04:25:41.440
missus Sayjack was in the room and
like the three of us just had like

3734
04:25:41.479 --> 04:25:45.600
a really nice chat about growing up
in the area and like you know what

3735
04:25:45.639 --> 04:25:48.879
we did and like all this stuff. And then I was saying goodbye to

3736
04:25:48.920 --> 04:25:52.040
them and I said goodbye and I
got up to walk out, and missus

3737
04:25:52.040 --> 04:25:55.000
say Jack says, I'll see you
around town. I was like, oh,

3738
04:25:55.079 --> 04:25:57.000
yeah, cool, and then,
uh, I haven't seen them around

3739
04:25:57.000 --> 04:26:00.959
town, that's right. But so
that was really cool. And then I

3740
04:26:00.000 --> 04:26:03.600
went out and sat in the audition
told told them Shard told them I'm about

3741
04:26:03.600 --> 04:26:08.120
the play I should have and I
and I was thinking about that after the

3742
04:26:08.159 --> 04:26:11.559
fact. I was like, they
should have been of all people, they

3743
04:26:11.559 --> 04:26:15.159
should have been the ones that I
right pitched myself too, because they probably

3744
04:26:15.159 --> 04:26:17.600
would have been a little more recepted
to it, right, and I and

3745
04:26:17.639 --> 04:26:22.200
I was beating myself up about that. But but also I also realized now

3746
04:26:22.959 --> 04:26:26.239
because it was about a month after
this that they called me to invite me

3747
04:26:26.280 --> 04:26:32.879
on for Fan Favorites Week, and
I would the explanation, the explanation for

3748
04:26:32.879 --> 04:26:36.079
the sage X not coming to my
show. The explanation that I choose to

3749
04:26:36.120 --> 04:26:40.360
believe is because is because I was
going to be on the show again,

3750
04:26:40.840 --> 04:26:42.680
and so that would be like,
you know, legally, the host can't

3751
04:26:42.840 --> 04:26:45.520
interact with the contestants, Like,
all right, while we're watching our watch

3752
04:26:45.559 --> 04:26:49.639
now because that's over. Yeah,
were you at guys? Right? Right?

3753
04:26:49.719 --> 04:26:55.520
Come on? And you know what, I actually missed to perform a

3754
04:26:55.719 --> 04:27:00.879
much rehearsals. I missed two performed
to be on wheeled a second time?

3755
04:27:00.920 --> 04:27:04.239
Did did you have? Did you? Did you guys have understudies prepared?

3756
04:27:04.879 --> 04:27:10.680
No? They had. They had
a guy that they knew who just filled

3757
04:27:10.680 --> 04:27:12.559
in for me the part with his
script in his hand because he didn't have

3758
04:27:12.639 --> 04:27:17.120
enough time to memorize. Dude,
what a dick you are? Man fucking

3759
04:27:17.239 --> 04:27:19.879
Christ, Yeah, the fuck you. The director wasn't thrilled, but he

3760
04:27:19.959 --> 04:27:25.479
was also like I get it,
Like you're this is doesn't get it a

3761
04:27:25.559 --> 04:27:27.120
chance to win more free money,
Like like, well, that's true,

3762
04:27:27.200 --> 04:27:30.360
that's true. He's he's hardly in
a position to say, uh, I'm

3763
04:27:30.399 --> 04:27:33.840
paying you more here right right he
I actually it's a community theater show.

3764
04:27:33.879 --> 04:27:37.280
I was not getting paid. Oh
yeah, good luck, dude, get

3765
04:27:37.319 --> 04:27:41.239
me to go. That's great.
So why did you come back to favorite

3766
04:27:41.280 --> 04:27:44.680
week? Because was there like a
voting or the producers just decide? I

3767
04:27:45.159 --> 04:27:48.360
think the producers just decided. Um. The two opponents they had me play

3768
04:27:48.360 --> 04:27:53.200
against also swept their games, and
I'm just you know, I feel like

3769
04:27:53.280 --> 04:27:56.440
they just wanted to see that that
supermatch, and it was great that they

3770
04:27:56.440 --> 04:28:00.719
were the two other like Ricky and
Julia. They were great. They were

3771
04:28:00.799 --> 04:28:04.120
awesome to hang out with. That
whole That was an experience in itself because

3772
04:28:04.200 --> 04:28:07.639
a lot of the fan favorites that
came back for that week were people that

3773
04:28:07.719 --> 04:28:11.000
I was a fan of, people
that I had seen on the show and

3774
04:28:11.040 --> 04:28:15.440
I had like watched their clip of
their epic moment like so many times.

3775
04:28:15.840 --> 04:28:18.920
So the fact that I got to
hang out with them and like become friends

3776
04:28:18.920 --> 04:28:22.040
with a lot of them was really
really cool. And tell the fans,

3777
04:28:22.479 --> 04:28:25.959
how you fare it in that round? Not as well as the first time,

3778
04:28:26.040 --> 04:28:30.760
but but I did okay, So
um, I solved the first toss

3779
04:28:30.840 --> 04:28:37.719
up uh, and then I had
a pretty long drought after that. Um,

3780
04:28:37.760 --> 04:28:41.200
but I did get the prize puzzle
and the prize. The prize was

3781
04:28:41.239 --> 04:28:45.200
a cruise to Tahiti, which actually, funnily enough, I think I'm going

3782
04:28:45.239 --> 04:28:53.000
to be taking before Yeah, so
win it for me. That was It's

3783
04:28:53.040 --> 04:28:59.159
like a ten grand worth cruise,
so I did that, and then I

3784
04:28:59.200 --> 04:29:03.680
got two of the three triple toss
ups, and then we go to the

3785
04:29:03.760 --> 04:29:07.520
speed up round and Ricky spun like
I said, he spun five thousand on

3786
04:29:07.559 --> 04:29:11.440
the wheel and then he got that
was enough to give him like ten thousand

3787
04:29:11.920 --> 04:29:17.600
more to his total for the speed
up and he was I think, like

3788
04:29:17.840 --> 04:29:22.200
less than a thousand dollars of catching
of catching me on the final total.

3789
04:29:22.680 --> 04:29:29.520
I just barely beat him with enough
bonus round. So that was like you

3790
04:29:29.559 --> 04:29:30.680
can actually see it if you watch
the show, you can see it.

3791
04:29:32.000 --> 04:29:36.799
He solves the bonus puzzle and then
I look over at the contestants scoreboard off

3792
04:29:36.840 --> 04:29:38.879
screen and I go, oh,
league, Like I didn't curse, but

3793
04:29:38.920 --> 04:29:41.920
I was like, oh geez.
Then it was a it was a big,

3794
04:29:42.000 --> 04:29:45.360
big moment. And then yeah,
and then I went and did the

3795
04:29:45.360 --> 04:29:52.040
bonus round and I'm not I didn't
get the bonus round the second time,

3796
04:29:52.719 --> 04:29:55.600
and I'm a little it's a little
bit embarrassing because if you watch me,

3797
04:29:55.719 --> 04:29:57.520
I have this smile on my face
because I think I know it. And

3798
04:29:57.559 --> 04:30:00.879
then I call the letters that I
think are going to be there, and

3799
04:30:00.920 --> 04:30:03.120
then some of the letters that I
called weren't there. So I was like,

3800
04:30:03.120 --> 04:30:03.920
oh, well, shit, it's
not what I thought it was.

3801
04:30:04.120 --> 04:30:07.959
And then I and then I didn't
get it um and then and then Pat

3802
04:30:08.079 --> 04:30:15.000
like after so he opened the envelope
and I lost out on forty five grand

3803
04:30:15.079 --> 04:30:18.680
this time, which in them,
but but it was still I was trying,

3804
04:30:18.799 --> 04:30:23.639
like, I was trying really hard
to like keep it optimistic, and

3805
04:30:23.920 --> 04:30:26.399
you know, remember that it was
a really cooling and it was like I

3806
04:30:26.479 --> 04:30:30.079
was, you know, I had
a great time. And Pat even was

3807
04:30:30.120 --> 04:30:33.319
like, uh, I think he
said something like, all right, no

3808
04:30:33.399 --> 04:30:36.319
fisticuffs this time, Fred, and
I like put my hands up ready to

3809
04:30:36.840 --> 04:30:37.600
ready for this fight, and he
was like no, no, no,

3810
04:30:37.719 --> 04:30:41.840
nope, nope, not this time, not this time. The Adventures of

3811
04:30:41.879 --> 04:30:45.239
a Wrestling Fan out did you did
you say, hey, hey, thanks

3812
04:30:45.239 --> 04:30:47.079
for coming to the play By the
way, I really appreciate it. Love

3813
04:30:47.120 --> 04:30:49.000
seeing you that day. No,
Actually, what I did was when we

3814
04:30:49.000 --> 04:30:52.520
were standing there for the end credits, which, by the way, I

3815
04:30:52.520 --> 04:30:55.680
don't know why this was, but
if you watch the second episode, the

3816
04:30:55.799 --> 04:30:59.840
end credits run for a really long
time. So I was standing next to

3817
04:30:59.920 --> 04:31:03.760
the chatting for what felt like forever, but it was really cool. I

3818
04:31:03.799 --> 04:31:07.360
got to talk about a lot of
things with them. Actually, I I

3819
04:31:07.399 --> 04:31:11.360
told Pat that I had seen him
once before when I went to a show

3820
04:31:11.479 --> 04:31:17.040
here in Maryland that was hosted by
Mark Summers, the host of Double and

3821
04:31:17.639 --> 04:31:19.719
Pat stopped by to like do a
Q and A with Mark with the audience.

3822
04:31:19.760 --> 04:31:26.639
So that was really cool. I
told Pat that. And this is

3823
04:31:26.959 --> 04:31:30.600
you know, this is where it
gets kind of real, and this is

3824
04:31:30.600 --> 04:31:33.120
where it gets to be like why
Wheel of Fortune is such a big part

3825
04:31:33.159 --> 04:31:38.360
of my life. Um So Pat
has a hospital wing at the local hospital

3826
04:31:38.440 --> 04:31:42.920
here in Annapolis named for him,
the Save Jack Pavilion um because like just

3827
04:31:44.040 --> 04:31:48.520
he just cut them a really big
check. And it was about five or

3828
04:31:48.559 --> 04:31:52.360
six years ago. My dad had
he didn't have but he didn't have the

3829
04:31:52.360 --> 04:31:56.879
ball so do anonymous? Huh No, No he didn't. H Yeah,

3830
04:31:56.879 --> 04:31:59.959
he doesn't like the public. He
doesn't like the spotlight. But you better

3831
04:32:00.159 --> 04:32:04.239
fucking make sure that my name is
is on that pavilion. Yeah. But

3832
04:32:04.319 --> 04:32:08.159
anyway, Yeah, my dad had
to have emergency surgery because he his appendix

3833
04:32:08.399 --> 04:32:15.200
ruptured and ship Yeah, it was
pretty I don't I mean, I don't

3834
04:32:15.239 --> 04:32:18.799
know how close he was to like
to death, but it didn't look good

3835
04:32:18.799 --> 04:32:22.959
for a while. Um, so
he had his surgery and you know,

3836
04:32:22.959 --> 04:32:26.920
everything was good, but it was
a really long recovery process. And I

3837
04:32:26.959 --> 04:32:30.879
don't think there's surgery itself was in
say jack pavilion, but I know that

3838
04:32:30.920 --> 04:32:37.159
his postop treatment was and he came
out, you know, sooner sooner or

3839
04:32:37.200 --> 04:32:41.639
later. Like I said, it
was a while to get there, but

3840
04:32:41.680 --> 04:32:45.520
he came out and he's healthy now
and he's good and especially his age,

3841
04:32:45.520 --> 04:32:48.559
like he's in really good shape.
So you know, I made sure to

3842
04:32:48.559 --> 04:32:51.079
tell Pat. I was like,
you know, on behalf of my family,

3843
04:32:51.680 --> 04:32:55.280
thank you to your family, because
you guys have meant a lot more

3844
04:32:55.319 --> 04:32:57.920
to me and my community because you
know, say Jack's given a lot to

3845
04:32:57.959 --> 04:33:02.079
this, to this community. I
so like, thank you on behalf of

3846
04:33:02.159 --> 04:33:04.880
us. And you also, in
a very indirect way, you helped,

3847
04:33:06.840 --> 04:33:08.159
you know, save my dad.
And Pat was like, oh, that's

3848
04:33:08.240 --> 04:33:11.799
very kind and and thank you for
saying that. I love hearing stories like

3849
04:33:11.799 --> 04:33:14.319
that. And then he said something
like, yeah, they don't let me

3850
04:33:14.360 --> 04:33:17.200
in there anymore because I keep trying
to play with the surgery tools or something

3851
04:33:17.279 --> 04:33:21.720
like that, and then he walked
away, like you did after he put

3852
04:33:21.720 --> 04:33:26.040
you in the chicken wing and yeah, no, no, he says that,

3853
04:33:26.119 --> 04:33:30.919
and then he puts on some groutio
Mark's glasses and you know, nose

3854
04:33:30.959 --> 04:33:38.360
and mustache and just starts waddling away. Yeah. Yeah, So we ended

3855
04:33:38.360 --> 04:33:41.840
with he was just like, well, Fred, you were great. You

3856
04:33:41.880 --> 04:33:44.040
were a great guy. You're great
to have on the show, and thank

3857
04:33:44.080 --> 04:33:45.840
you so much for being here.
I shook his hand, I shook Vanna's

3858
04:33:45.880 --> 04:33:51.360
hand. I almost felt bad for
Vannah because I wasn't I wasn't giving her

3859
04:33:51.479 --> 04:33:55.639
nearly as much attention as I was
pat But I mean it's kind of awkward.

3860
04:33:56.000 --> 04:33:57.080
You don't really want to say to
her, Hey, you know I

3861
04:33:57.119 --> 04:34:03.000
used to jerk off to you as
a kid, and then awkward, which

3862
04:34:03.040 --> 04:34:06.560
is not the case for in my
in my case, you know, for

3863
04:34:07.080 --> 04:34:12.720
people ud dude, you're missing out
last name white. Anyway, Yeah,

3864
04:34:12.759 --> 04:34:18.400
so like both their hands and then
uh we we walked off, and h

3865
04:34:18.599 --> 04:34:22.360
I think I was so I was
the second episode to tape the first time.

3866
04:34:22.400 --> 04:34:26.720
I think this time I was like
the fourth or fifth. So UM

3867
04:34:27.040 --> 04:34:32.919
went back and hung out with them
with the other contestants, and then uh,

3868
04:34:32.959 --> 04:34:36.479
I think I think I flew out
the same night where like my first

3869
04:34:36.479 --> 04:34:40.799
taping. My first taping, I
celebrated by going to In and Out Burger

3870
04:34:40.840 --> 04:34:44.919
afterwards Good for You with with uh
with Nathan, who was one of the

3871
04:34:44.919 --> 04:34:47.439
other contestants is now a good friend
of mine. He and I went out

3872
04:34:47.439 --> 04:34:48.919
to an in and Out and then
I stayed one more night and flew out

3873
04:34:48.919 --> 04:34:52.560
the next day. But the second
taping, I yeah, we flew out

3874
04:34:52.599 --> 04:34:56.360
the same night. And Megan was
with me on the second trip. And

3875
04:34:56.959 --> 04:35:02.000
I will never forget the flight back. It was I want to say it

3876
04:35:02.080 --> 04:35:06.759
was American Airlines, but it was
non stop back to DC. And first

3877
04:35:06.759 --> 04:35:08.599
of all, it was a fully
it was a completely packed flight, no

3878
04:35:08.680 --> 04:35:14.240
empty seats at all. That we
were crammed, we were tired, there

3879
04:35:14.279 --> 04:35:18.439
were there were at least like two
wailing babies on the plane. Oh yeah,

3880
04:35:18.479 --> 04:35:22.279
they kept us on the runway for
like an hour for some reason.

3881
04:35:22.319 --> 04:35:26.040
I can't even remember. And when
did you When did you flown in for

3882
04:35:26.119 --> 04:35:30.040
this one? When did we fly
in? I think it was like was

3883
04:35:30.080 --> 04:35:33.959
it how how I guess how far? How how much earlier from when you

3884
04:35:34.119 --> 04:35:37.119
left? Like did you fly the
night before or two days before? What?

3885
04:35:37.319 --> 04:35:41.919
I think on the second trip,
I think we flew in either because

3886
04:35:41.959 --> 04:35:45.000
so the second time, the taping
was on a Monday. It was actually,

3887
04:35:45.040 --> 04:35:48.840
like I said, it was the
day before the first episode aired,

3888
04:35:48.799 --> 04:35:52.680
so so funny. Yeah, so
we taped on the monday. I think

3889
04:35:52.759 --> 04:35:56.880
we flew in like Friday night or
Saturday morning or something like that. And

3890
04:35:56.520 --> 04:36:00.319
we spent a couple of days and
we got to see more of La second

3891
04:36:00.360 --> 04:36:03.520
time. First time okay, Like
we walked up and down Hollywood Boulevard.

3892
04:36:03.639 --> 04:36:08.279
We we oh we this might be
a company you've heard of JP. We

3893
04:36:08.319 --> 04:36:14.599
went and saw an improv show at
Citizens Light Brigade. I know, the

3894
04:36:14.680 --> 04:36:18.360
upright Citizens again? Is that fuck? Brother? They do get that wrong?

3895
04:36:18.840 --> 04:36:22.319
Yeah, I actually I'm not sure
if he's still there or not.

3896
04:36:22.400 --> 04:36:26.400
But uh one of my fraternity brothers
used to be the artistic director. Uh

3897
04:36:26.400 --> 04:36:30.439
there, but I think he left
that show, but he might still perform

3898
04:36:30.520 --> 04:36:33.959
there. Um Drew Defonso Marx.
I don't know if he was on the

3899
04:36:33.959 --> 04:36:37.319
show. I don't. I didn't
really, I didn't. I didn't put

3900
04:36:37.400 --> 04:36:40.880
names on faces. But it was. But it was a really good show

3901
04:36:40.919 --> 04:36:45.159
and I really enjoyed and UCB is
great. UCB is great, had a

3902
04:36:45.159 --> 04:36:52.439
lot of fun and actually that show
kind of inspired me to take my because

3903
04:36:52.479 --> 04:36:56.520
I I haven't really done a lot
of improv yeah, in my career,

3904
04:36:56.560 --> 04:37:00.000
but now I'm taking a little bit
more seriously because I just I saw that

3905
04:37:00.080 --> 04:37:03.680
and I saw the space and just
it just it was so much fun that

3906
04:37:03.759 --> 04:37:07.080
I was like, I kind of
feel like I want to put a little

3907
04:37:07.080 --> 04:37:10.759
bit more of my artistic energy into
this kind of work. So now,

3908
04:37:10.919 --> 04:37:12.560
so that's kind of that's a little
bit of what I'm doing now. So

3909
04:37:12.599 --> 04:37:17.599
you're on the plane and you'll never
forget. Oh yeah, I'm on the

3910
04:37:17.639 --> 04:37:21.400
plane and I'll never forget. It
was just the way and I have really

3911
04:37:21.439 --> 04:37:26.639
bad restless like syndrome, so like
my legs were like freaking out and I

3912
04:37:26.680 --> 04:37:30.159
couldn't move. I couldn't do anything
about it. Like I couldn't get up

3913
04:37:30.159 --> 04:37:33.200
to go to the bathroom because we
were about to take off and I couldn't

3914
04:37:33.319 --> 04:37:37.240
stretch my legs. I couldn't do
anything. I tried to take a melotonin

3915
04:37:37.279 --> 04:37:40.720
to like knock myself out, and
it didn't work. I couldn't put the

3916
04:37:40.759 --> 04:37:44.880
seat back because there were people behind
me. Like it was just the most

3917
04:37:44.919 --> 04:37:47.400
agonizing flight I think I've ever been
on in my life. And then and

3918
04:37:47.439 --> 04:37:52.040
then once we finally did get in
the air, it was still six hours.

3919
04:37:52.040 --> 04:37:55.439
And then actually think in mind,
keep in mind, this is what

3920
04:37:55.520 --> 04:37:59.840
you deserve. You want these kinds
of things you earn suffering. Yes,

3921
04:38:00.240 --> 04:38:03.560
correct, what happened for for my
art and my money? Yeah? Um,

3922
04:38:03.639 --> 04:38:07.400
we got back at like seven am. I very decidedly did not go

3923
04:38:07.439 --> 04:38:11.279
to work that day and then just
went home and slept. And it's funny.

3924
04:38:11.759 --> 04:38:15.319
We got off the plane, we
dropped off our car, we got

3925
04:38:15.360 --> 04:38:21.479
home, we slept, and then
after a few hours I got up and

3926
04:38:21.560 --> 04:38:26.880
went to the local bar here in
a Silver Spring here in Maryland, where

3927
04:38:26.959 --> 04:38:30.639
I host trivia, and they were
very they were very kind to host a

3928
04:38:30.680 --> 04:38:33.400
watch party for me for my first
episode. Yeah, I went to that,

3929
04:38:33.520 --> 04:38:36.919
had a bunch of friends, had
a bunch of the Renaissance Rumble crew

3930
04:38:36.959 --> 04:38:41.240
there and nice yeah. Yeah,
so that was yeah, and they were

3931
04:38:41.360 --> 04:38:44.279
they were all really excited. And
then and then I went into work the

3932
04:38:44.319 --> 04:38:47.279
next day and all of my students
came up to me in the hall like,

3933
04:38:47.799 --> 04:38:52.520
mister Fletcher, you're rich, mister
Fletch. And at least at least

3934
04:38:52.639 --> 04:38:56.119
five or six times a day for
the rest of the school year. One

3935
04:38:56.439 --> 04:38:59.279
somebody would come up to me be
like, mister Fletcher, can I get

3936
04:38:59.319 --> 04:39:02.919
some of that money? Yeah,
yeah, right, you're damn right.

3937
04:39:03.240 --> 04:39:06.159
Yeah, I love it. Well, that's great, man, thanks for

3938
04:39:06.159 --> 04:39:10.080
flying the TLF flag at Wheel of
Fortune. You did us proud, you

3939
04:39:10.119 --> 04:39:14.200
did your family proud, your community
proud. And uh yeah, it's it's

3940
04:39:14.200 --> 04:39:18.040
it's great to see a Solar System
member get out there and close a close

3941
04:39:18.080 --> 04:39:19.720
a loop, a childhood loop,
because that's what we're all after. That's

3942
04:39:19.720 --> 04:39:23.599
the dragon we're all chasing. Yes, yeah, and I and and thank

3943
04:39:23.639 --> 04:39:29.639
you so much for having me on
here to talk about it. I encourage

3944
04:39:30.000 --> 04:39:33.360
anyone in the Solar System or beyond, like try and get yourself on a

3945
04:39:33.400 --> 04:39:37.400
game show like you have. You
have nothing to lose, you have everything

3946
04:39:37.400 --> 04:39:41.759
to gain. Uh. Wheel is
great if you're trivia inclined, Jeopardy is

3947
04:39:41.799 --> 04:39:44.919
great. I really want to be
on Prices right like you know that.

3948
04:39:45.240 --> 04:39:49.599
It's it's just they that's a crazy
one, man. I've I've been to

3949
04:39:49.599 --> 04:39:52.759
a taping of that. Yeah,
that's just a wild thing because there's so

3950
04:39:52.840 --> 04:39:59.119
much up in the air, right
and actually my girlfriend kind of doesn't want

3951
04:39:59.159 --> 04:40:03.759
me to do prices right, because
uh, it's a lot. I mean,

3952
04:40:03.959 --> 04:40:06.479
where we live, it's a big
effort to get out to LA with

3953
04:40:06.720 --> 04:40:10.759
you know, of course, yeah, and and with Prices right, where

3954
04:40:10.840 --> 04:40:14.720
Whereas if you're a contestant on Wheel, you're guaranteed to be on the show,

3955
04:40:15.319 --> 04:40:17.799
Whereas on Prices Right, if you
get a ticket and go sit in

3956
04:40:17.799 --> 04:40:19.360
the audience, on Prices right,
there's no guarantee that you're going to be

3957
04:40:19.400 --> 04:40:22.560
called up on stage. So she's
just she's like, I don't want you

3958
04:40:22.599 --> 04:40:26.720
to fly all the way out there
just to be in the audience. And

3959
04:40:26.759 --> 04:40:30.279
I'm kind of like, I hear
you, but also I still want to

3960
04:40:30.319 --> 04:40:36.799
do it. I don't get a
big Yeah, you guess what you have

3961
04:40:36.880 --> 04:40:41.080
now? Yeah, the sickness.
That's the sickness. And I am and

3962
04:40:41.159 --> 04:40:44.439
I am down with the sickness.
Yeah you get do you get two sicknesses?

3963
04:40:44.439 --> 04:40:48.240
Because you're you're not now now you're
now now you're a fucking uh game

3964
04:40:48.240 --> 04:40:53.720
show junkie and and you're a wrestler. Fred, let let the diminishing returns

3965
04:40:53.799 --> 04:40:57.720
begin. Yeah, and I have
to so speaking of putting the two worlds

3966
04:40:57.720 --> 04:41:02.479
together, I because he used it
on me on the show. I have

3967
04:41:02.560 --> 04:41:07.319
now put the chicken wing in the
Purple Parrots repertoire amazing. But of course

3968
04:41:07.360 --> 04:41:11.560
I'm now I'm I'm toying between a
few different names. I started with parrot

3969
04:41:11.560 --> 04:41:17.919
wing, but I think I've settled
on Wing of Fortune. That's that's that's

3970
04:41:18.080 --> 04:41:21.840
great. I like that one.
That's really funny. And I gotta tell

3971
04:41:21.880 --> 04:41:26.360
you so, I was in touch
with you know when you know. I

3972
04:41:26.799 --> 04:41:32.680
DVR the show, and the day
after it I watched it. I did

3973
04:41:32.680 --> 04:41:37.159
get a I did get a call
from from Boss Adkisson and he was not

3974
04:41:37.279 --> 04:41:41.479
happy. I just want to say
he was not happy, and and he

3975
04:41:41.560 --> 04:41:47.599
actually, I'm listen, this is
this is this is what he said.

3976
04:41:47.639 --> 04:41:51.959
This is not me saying this.
He basically said, he's gonna he's gonna

3977
04:41:51.959 --> 04:41:56.599
put the iron claw on your head
until you give him all the money.

3978
04:41:57.159 --> 04:42:03.400
It sounds like friends to me.
Apple doesn't far too fall, I get

3979
04:42:03.479 --> 04:42:04.959
too far. I guess yeah,
I mean you know what what I can

3980
04:42:06.080 --> 04:42:10.000
I'll tell you what and I'll make
Boss a deal. I just bought a

3981
04:42:10.040 --> 04:42:14.240
really nifty um uh. I have
a I have a friend who's another wheel

3982
04:42:14.240 --> 04:42:18.240
of lum who makes replica bonus round
envelopes. So it's like it's called a

3983
04:42:18.319 --> 04:42:22.560
legit thing, but it looks really
cool, pretty authentic. I got an

3984
04:42:22.680 --> 04:42:26.040
envelope that says forty thousand on it
because that's what I want. Um.

3985
04:42:26.080 --> 04:42:29.439
I'll make a deal with him if
you want, I can give him that,

3986
04:42:30.279 --> 04:42:33.560
um and just he can just pretend
that he's a winner like I am.

3987
04:42:33.119 --> 04:42:37.119
And uh, you know, I
I think I think I think that's

3988
04:42:37.119 --> 04:42:40.720
the best of both worlds um.
And by the way, that the price

3989
04:42:40.799 --> 04:42:44.840
for that, if he's willing to
to to part with forty thousand dollars,

3990
04:42:44.880 --> 04:42:47.279
then then you know we can I
think we can call that a fair deal.

3991
04:42:47.319 --> 04:42:49.240
So, boss, if you're out
there, I hear you. I

3992
04:42:49.279 --> 04:42:53.520
want to work with you. Hill
money, win money, the purse,

3993
04:42:55.240 --> 04:42:57.080
it's all. Uh, it's all
happening in a very real way and very

3994
04:42:57.119 --> 04:43:03.279
real. The envelope or better,
I'll right to buy him, tell him

3995
04:43:03.319 --> 04:43:08.279
to match the donation that I have
given to to TLF and and then we'll

3996
04:43:08.279 --> 04:43:11.479
talk. Yeah, I'm you know, if I know him. You know,

3997
04:43:11.479 --> 04:43:14.799
I don't know him too well,
but from what I do know of

3998
04:43:14.880 --> 04:43:18.959
him, he's not much of a
giver, except when it comes to punishment.

3999
04:43:19.000 --> 04:43:22.919
A lot remains to be seen,
a lot remains to be resolved,

4000
04:43:22.919 --> 04:43:25.279
but Fred, we wish you the
best going forward. Thanks for joining us

4001
04:43:25.319 --> 04:43:29.200
and sharing a really cool experience with
the solar system. Yeah, thank you

4002
04:43:29.240 --> 04:43:30.560
guys. This was awesome. Love
you guys, Thank you so much.

4003
04:43:33.080 --> 04:43:37.599
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