WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.640 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:28.359 day, Now here's Nick coffee. I don't know what it is, but 3 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:32.200 I feel like I've got like a scratchy throat thing going on where my voice 4 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:36.039 is kind of slowly fading. I mentioned at the end of the hour there 5 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:40.520 that I believe there's nothing that can help that better than a cold bush light. 6 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:44.359 Obviously I'm not allowed to have one, which is, you know, 7 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:49.200 a fair rule to have in place here with our company, but somebody had 8 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.520 sent me a picture of them already having one, so shout out to you, 9 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.719 which it reminds me of what last night. So I went to get 10 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:58.280 a beer in the third quarter, and I took my daughter with me. 11 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:02.320 She was loving the game, but she went to the bathroom and then we 12 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.920 stopped to get to get dad a beer. And you know, for those 13 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:08.400 who don't know, my daughter is especial needs. She's intellectually disabled. A 14 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.760 lot of things that you would see would maybe make you think she's on the 15 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:15.959 spectrum with autism, and she's not. But there are a lot of similar 16 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:18.920 things that you know, you see certain kids with autism have, so you 17 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.680 know, she's at times, will you know, do something that maybe she 18 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.599 doesn't realize is like a no, no, nothing crazy. But the gentleman 19 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:32.760 who who pulled out an ice cold aluminum bottle bush light and wiped it off 20 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:36.599 for me because it was, you know, in an icy cool buck tup 21 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:40.359 of a tub of water. He handed it to me and I gave him, 22 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:42.560 you know, a ten told him keep the change. And I don't 23 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:44.959 say that because like I'm a big tipper. It was a nine dollars beer. 24 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:48.239 I gave him a buck, but he put it down after he opened 25 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:49.560 it because they have to open it for you before they give it to you. 26 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.640 And while I was putting my wallet back in my pocket, he just 27 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.120 sat it on the counter there and my daughter grabbed it to give it to 28 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.000 me, just like here, daddy, here's your beer. And he grabbed 29 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:02.959 it from her and was like oh no, no, no no, And 30 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.040 he was like he was just doing his job. Like I'm sure there's some 31 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:07.280 kind of a rule, but I'm curious, like what would have been like 32 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:13.719 you know, could he get like could he get in trouble with like the 33 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:15.919 the alcohol beverage control people, like I mean, she wasn't gonna drink it, 34 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:20.400 but like if she even like touches it, is it like a like 35 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:22.439 a no no, Like I thought that was kind of odd. I know, 36 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:24.520 you don't drink much, John, and you barely have been old enough 37 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.680 to drink very long, but like, I don't know, it was just 38 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:30.360 kind of it was kind of weird. I saw the illuminum bottle of the 39 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.159 guy's in and it took me back to last night because I'm thinking, wait 40 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:35.280 a second, like, you know, he was fine. I don't say 41 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:37.800 this to complain about him, but like there has The reason I broke it 42 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:38.879 up is because there has to be some kind of a rule to where like 43 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:43.159 if he got caught with her handing me the beer, she's clearly a young 44 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:45.759 child, and like he'd be in trouble, or maybe there was something that 45 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:49.879 happened previously where he did the exact same thing and a child grabbed it but 46 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.639 actually drank it, not knowing any better. And that that's to where like 47 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.199 somebody could legitimately, you know, get in trouble for that, like legally, 48 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:00.520 and that that's I would imagine that if you end up at a restaurant 49 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:07.680 or a bar and you are seeing that like no matter what, you're getting 50 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.520 carded to get to get some booze. It's probably because they've gotten in trouble 51 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:14.599 and they now have to do that every time because you know, they're I 52 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:19.039 guess trying to tiptoe and make sure they can maintain their liquor license. But 53 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:23.039 anyways, you know, shout out to that texture who's enjoying a cold bush 54 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:24.560 light. I'll be there with you in you know, about an hour or 55 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:27.159 so. I mean not with you, but you know, with you in 56 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.759 spirit. It is somebody who likes to just eliminate bush lights. Good night 57 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:34.639 for it too. But should that be a contest eventually a bush light with 58 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.080 nick coffee, like see who can drink the most? Because that wouldn't mean 59 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.080 that would be content, but that I guess I'm in a contest, like 60 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:44.879 when to have a drink? Have a bush light with you? Uh conversation, 61 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:46.719 Yeah, I mean that could be good. Well they can try to 62 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:47.719 drink you under the table one of the time. Yeah, Like, so 63 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:53.400 this is not something to like brag about, and I'm not bragging so like, 64 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:55.560 I don't want it to come off that way. But I used to 65 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:00.919 be somebody that would never be able to like shug any drink fast, like 66 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:05.840 even water, and then now you know, if I'm really thirsty, I 67 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:10.520 mean I can drink, no joke, two bottles of water and two drinks 68 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.560 like if I just got off the treadmill. You know, I can drink 69 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:15.680 a beer fast if like I'm in a hurry, like if I know I 70 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.959 got to finish this because you know, my ride's waiting, or you know, 71 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:21.199 my wife's already put the kids in the car she's driving, and you 72 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:25.879 know she's probably not happy that she's the d D, so she wants me 73 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:27.720 to finish, so I can. You know, I can throw it down 74 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.360 the neck, as they say, But it also makes me kind of like, 75 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.120 you know, I don't want to. You know, if I had 76 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:38.040 to chug a bush light like, I could probably do it pretty quickly. 77 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:41.720 Not that I would want to do that, but you know, like doing 78 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:45.199 that Keke stand last year for the Vibe Check video that made me, I 79 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.199 guess, realize, Okay, when you're on the spot, the adrenaline's there, 80 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:50.600 you know, the lights are on. In fact, the camera was 81 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:56.120 on too, and you know everybody was gassing me up as I'm upside down 82 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.720 drinking beer. I'd never. I mean, I mean this, I've never 83 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.600 done a kekestand before other than like one time, and I'm pretty sure, 84 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:06.040 like I started choking as soon as soon as it started, so it ended, 85 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:09.160 and I thought, well, let's never embarrass ourselves again, and they 86 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:11.720 can do that. And then I did it at the Notre Dame game and 87 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:13.639 now I've got this confidence in it. But it's like, you know, 88 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:15.920 at thirty six years old, I mean, if that's something you're throwing out 89 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:17.879 as like a party trick, Hey, you want me to see how fast 90 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.600 I can chug this bush light like you're probably not, you know, I 91 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:24.920 guess if that's you, you know, no shame in your game, I 92 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:26.759 get it, but like, you know, for me, that's not really 93 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:30.839 a good look. But all this talk about bush light makes me want to 94 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:33.759 just eliminate any insight tonight, which I probably won't do because, you know 95 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.879 what, that wouldn't be responsible. I got to get up early tomorrow and 96 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:40.920 you know, get my kids ready to go to daycare, to the babysitter, 97 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.879 and you know, get them breakfast, so I could do that hungover, 98 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:48.240 but it's it's slushies. Oh yeah, they haven't had one since last 99 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:50.879 week, so I know they'll be asking this morning. I was a little 100 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:54.920 little delayed in getting out of the house on my end out their end, 101 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:58.360 and they didn't get slushies. And you know, hopefully it's not something they 102 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.959 addressed with me as soon as I get home, because you know, hopefully 103 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:03.040 they forgot about it by now. All right, it's coffee and company. 104 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:08.040 We are fueled by Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety and been a busy 105 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.319 show so far today. And I mean it when I say that, sometimes 106 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.279 I don't really mean that. This time I really mean it. We've had 107 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:15.160 a lot to run through in these last couple of hours, obviously a lot 108 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.279 of reaction from last night's win for the Ville and the TBT. They now 109 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:24.000 are one went away from getting to the round of sixteen, or I'm sorry, 110 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:28.600 I guess it'd be getting to the round of eight, and that would 111 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:30.959 be the furthest they've ever gone, right, So they played tomorrow night against 112 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:35.439 Team DRC and a win here would be one further than what they got last 113 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:41.600 year. So it's just been I probably haven't said anything that you haven't thought 114 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:44.920 to yourself, or you haven't heard other people say. But it's just been 115 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.360 awesome. Man. The overall atmosphere at Freedom Hall these last couple of games 116 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:54.720 has been phenomenal. The camaraderie between fans who you know, I saw some 117 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.639 fans yucking it up in a few There were a few rows ahead of us 118 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.360 last night that they realized, you know, they I don't know if they 119 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.759 still do, and I think they did converse to clarify they do, but 120 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:08.879 like they sit next to each other at the UMP Center and they've had season 121 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:11.560 tickets for like ten years, but you know what, they've been seeing much 122 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.319 of each other in recent years for obvious reasons. So you know, just 123 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.040 being around to the Louisville fans getting into a basketball game like that has been 124 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:21.079 awesome. It's been something that we've missed in a major way. And I 125 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:25.800 don't think you realize how much you actually missed it until you get to experience 126 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.600 it again. You're like, that's awesome, let's do this again. In 127 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:31.000 fact, like I know, I'm not the only one that was like, 128 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:33.199 oh yeah, I'm not missing Wednesday night. I want to do that again. 129 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.639 That was fun. So I know, it's not really like a U 130 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:41.759 of L basketball event, but everything that comes with it. For this fan 131 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:46.199 base, I think has just been perfect because you know, there's I mean, 132 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:47.040 if they lose tomorrow, that'll be a bummer. If they would have 133 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:49.600 lost last night, that would have sucked. But like this to me just 134 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:53.759 feels like to give you the old cliche house money. We get to party, 135 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:56.480 we get to celebrate, we get to watch these guys play that we 136 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.000 loved and still do love. But you know when I'm loved, I mean 137 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.160 when they were here, they were great players. I mean Reece Gaines as 138 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.240 the coach, He's one of the best players' ever played here. So it's 139 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.240 just been awesome, it really has. And last night I feel like the 140 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:13.639 atmosphere and environment at Freedom Hall was as good as anything for a Louisville basketball 141 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:20.120 event in years. I mean probably since Louisville played Michigan in the ACC Big 142 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.839 Ten Challenge in December of twenty nineteen. I'm not exaggerating, like when's the 143 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.279 last time there was like a you know again that I'm not even sure how 144 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.600 many people were there last night, but I just mean everything that comes with 145 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.879 it. Right not to say that last night's TVT victory for the vill is 146 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:35.159 up there with Louisville knocking off you know, Michigan with the number one team 147 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.960 in the country. That's not all what I'm saying, but to see so 148 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.039 many former players there, including Donovan Mitchell, and he's there just because he 149 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.519 wants to take it all in as well. He loves Louisville like a lot 150 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.080 of these guys that are playing for the Ville. He loves Louisville just like 151 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.559 a lot of the guys that aren't playing for this team, but they decided 152 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:52.559 to come back and be around, like Gorky Jang did on Saturday, first 153 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:56.759 time Gorky's been in Louisville since he left. Darryl Griffith is there. I 154 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:01.720 mean, and again Donovan, he's an NBA superstar and he just wants to 155 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.480 be a part of this because he knows what to expect when there's a lot 156 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.679 of Louisville fans involved and it's, you know, a celebration of Louisville basketball 157 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.120 in some former fashion. And you know, they could have easily lost last 158 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:13.919 night, but they didn't, and it's just great. I Mean, you 159 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.759 got Jeff Brom being put up on the screen and I'll tell you this, 160 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:20.960 I love Jeff Brom. You guys know that. But I love watching Jeff 161 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.919 Brom watch Louisville and other sports. I've always heard that, Like he's just 162 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.960 I mean, it's not to try to be the football robot like a lot 163 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.600 of coaches do. Jeff Brom is just a sports guy man, like he's 164 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.159 if he can do anything, and his downtime, he's gonna watch other sports, 165 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.360 mostly football, I would assume. But like if you see Jeff Brom 166 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:41.720 in a Louisville basketball game, TVT game last night, or like a volleyball 167 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.759 game, he's not doing it for show. He's into it, man, 168 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.200 like he loves it, and he was getting you know, he was fired 169 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.759 up to see Louisville pull off the victory in the elam ending. He was 170 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.080 getting routy and not rowdy. I mean, I don't know if Jeff gets 171 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.039 rowdy, but you know he was into it as much as most when it 172 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:00.919 comes to trees, knocking down those free throws. Pack Kelsey and his son 173 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.960 Johnny ball games sitting next to Donovan Mitchell. I mean, it's just, 174 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:07.039 I mean, not to mention. You know, another great former player, 175 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.840 former coach, David Pagett, is calling the action with John fantas. It 176 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:15.960 was so awesome and I hope they do this every year and maybe the overall 177 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.919 vibe won't be at this level when Louisville Basketball actually starts giving us stuff to 178 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.000 really enjoy, like, you know, winning games. But what's happened in 179 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.720 the last two games, I guess, the only two games of this year's 180 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:35.279 tvt for this team. It confirms what I've always said, we will do 181 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.120 this differently than most because we're just different this. I mean, when you 182 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:43.519 think of putting this event together and incorporating as many alumni teams as you can, 183 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.519 Louisville is the spot for it. Because again, last night, Freedom 184 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.840 Hall was rowdy. I mean I knew how loud it was. I was 185 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.120 there. I didn't really know how it came off on TV, but you 186 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:00.440 know, john said, oh it was loud, And this confirms it isolate 187 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.080 David Johnson, here go one on one. I like it. Don't settle 188 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:22.159 it to the ram Johnson. I mean that is it gives me chills. 189 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.879 Make fun of me if you want. I realize it's not a real game. 190 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.679 Maybe it's corny, but man, that was awesome. And last thing 191 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.080 I'll say real quick before we get into, you know, the actual basketball 192 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:35.080 side of it. To see the current team that pack Kelsey put together be 193 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.600 so into watching these guys play, I mean, one of the elements here. 194 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.960 And I'm glad somebody brought this up. I didn't think of it, 195 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.759 but it makes sense. They're watching their coach out there playing Peyton Siva and 196 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:48.240 that. I mean, that's got to fire him up because I know they 197 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.679 love Peyton, and you know he's out there leading this team and he didn't 198 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.399 play a ton of minutes last night, but you know, Peyton's probably introduced 199 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.000 him to all these guys on this team, and and and they've gotten to 200 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.600 know them now, familiar with their careers. That kind of stuff. I 201 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:09.480 mean, there's nobody better than Peyton to really describe and you know, give 202 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.679 you the full lay of the land as far as being a louis of basketball 203 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.759 player, what the city will do for you later in life if you give 204 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:18.360 it your all, that kind of stuff. And again, I know I'm 205 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:22.639 talking about corny things here, but like to see Kahani Roofs, the true 206 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.799 freshman who probably never even heard of many of these Louisville players ever before he 207 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.480 randomly started being I see randomly, but Pat Kelsey had one has one true 208 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.519 freshman, and it's this young man who was committed to Michigan and then dec 209 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.360 committee when Jawan Howard got fired, he ends up at Louisville. He led 210 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.480 like three or four different cards chants last night, and the way they were 211 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.360 set up, they were in the bleacher seating area to where he had a 212 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.799 bunch of room, like he could get out there on the flat surface, 213 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:50.440 like between the actual lower bowl and the court and just get people into it. 214 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.759 And I know there were a ton of people who were around me didn't 215 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:54.840 know who he was, and I'm like, dude, that guy's on our 216 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.799 team. He's a freshman. You know. Noah Waterman's going crazy after Russ 217 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.120 Smith knocks down three straight threes, So you know, I just look, 218 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:05.320 that won't have anything to do with this team as far as how good they're 219 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.639 going to be this upcoming season. But it's just another added element in regards 220 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:16.000 to just the overall shift and vibe energy surrounding Louisville hoops. And last year 221 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.320 was great too, but there was an elephant in the room, and that 222 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.799 was the fact that we were coached by a bum who didn't even bother to 223 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.919 show up to the TBT other than one time, I think, you know, 224 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.960 and that was really just like a desperate escape for us to just not 225 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:43.279 remember that we were going through the worst hire ever. And now we've got 226 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.279 everything that comes with the TBT and it's great and the future looks really bright 227 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.720 too, and it's awesome. So look, I don't think this team's look 228 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.000 that good. To be honest with you, I can't give you a reason 229 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.039 as to why they they've you know, underwhelmed, but hey, they've won 230 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.080 two games, and now maybe they regroup and maybe they put together their best 231 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.399 performance tomorrow night which will get them to the quarterfinals. I think it's the 232 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:09.039 quarterfinals. I'm not sure the bracket, I mean, the bracket is set 233 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.960 up. Just let actual let me pull up the bracket here, because I 234 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:13.919 think it's set up just like the instead of a tournament bracket, isn't it. 235 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.600 It's similar in the fact, but you do your first three games are 236 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.399 at the same location, whereas in the in the INNTO Double A tournaments, 237 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.120 the first two yah. So technically so technically right now we have the sweet 238 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:30.200 sixteen, yes, and when you get to the next round, I guess 239 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.120 the Elite eight. It's just it's a one off and then from there you 240 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.919 go to the Final four, which will be in Philadelphia, so you know, 241 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.639 same amount of rounds, that kind of stuff. So Louisville essentially has 242 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:43.320 made it to the second weekend if we're talking, instead of a tournament bracket. 243 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.240 So you know, maybe they come out and put together a really good 244 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.080 performance, regroup, and then whenever they do play whoever it is, maybe 245 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.960 it's Kentucky who plays tonight, then you know, then then they get even 246 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.600 better. But last night, the elam ending is how they were able to 247 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:00.519 win that game. I mean, there's no there's no doubt about it. 248 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.240 In fact, they led when the elam inning started, I think, but 249 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:09.600 it wasn't by much and all the momentum was with was with Sideline cancer. 250 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:18.480 And there's no doubt the crowd absolutely played a huge role in Louisville being able 251 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:24.480 to I mean, is it fair to say claw back because you did that 252 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.320 right? You trailed it was first to seventy one, and you know it 253 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.200 didn't look like you were going to be the first of seventy one. I 254 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.799 thought for sure they were losing, like I just did, because ninety nine 255 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.120 point nine point nine percent of the basketball I've ever watched comes down to what 256 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.840 the clock hitting zero, But the elam ending makes it to where if you 257 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:46.519 are sideline cancer, you can't hold on. You can't you know, survive. 258 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.879 You can't just rely on the clock and have a big enough lead to 259 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.600 where even if you are crumbling and you're melting down, you're still gonna be 260 00:15:54.600 --> 00:16:00.559 able to win because of time. That's what makes it awesome. So you 261 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.120 know, you have to actually go make winning plays to win the game, 262 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:10.559 and in everyday basketball with a clock, you really don't. I mean, 263 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:14.240 obviously you got to make plays to win. But there's many many games that 264 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.039 I can think of from the teams I watch that I'm a fan of, 265 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:22.799 including Louisville of course, to where you ran out of time and you held 266 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:23.919 on to win, but you didn't feel like you did much at the end 267 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.799 to to to really put it away right like you you literally just benefited because 268 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:30.519 the team that made their run, they made it a little too late, 269 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.279 and sideline Cancer had a few opportunities to close it out. Whenever that guy 270 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:40.559 that was Balding that was hitting threes all game, the short guard, I 271 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.240 think he played it. Where he played might have been Hampton, I think, 272 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:47.879 I mean he was. He was on fire in the first half, 273 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:49.960 made some plays in the second half too. He's real mouthy talk the whole 274 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:52.679 game. And when he he got that wide open three, I thought, 275 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:56.279 for sure, he's not missing that, and he did, and that's when 276 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.080 Trez got the rebound. And you know they did they review that, John. 277 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:02.720 They kept going to this I did, but see whenever they go over 278 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:04.240 to the scores table, I guess maybe my vantage point didn't show it. 279 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:07.000 Like I didn't even know you could review it, because there was also a 280 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:12.000 play on the other end not far from that that they could have they should 281 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:15.000 have reviewed, and they didn't. And then I'm not even from what I 282 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.799 could tell, it looked as if there wasn't gonna be enough to overturn what 283 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.000 they initially had called, which was all they were talking about in the broadcast, 284 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.359 Yeah, which was that they called it Louisville ball. And you know, 285 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.079 sure enough they got the ball and Tres got fouled, and and you 286 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.240 know, they made it work. So somebody asked me on the text line, 287 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.119 says Nick. The voice of the Cards. Paul Rodgers tweeted out last 288 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:37.400 night that NAA Basketball should adopt the elam ending. What do you think, 289 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.440 I'll say what I've said about the elementing for a while. I love it, 290 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.759 but I don't I can't tell you that if I had to say so, 291 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:48.559 I would make it the way we end basketball games in the college game, 292 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.440 the NBA, even high school because it's just so different, you know, 293 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:59.240 like from like an entertainment standpoint. I love it, but it's just 294 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:00.880 so different than what we've been used to. Like I can't imagine an n 295 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:06.079 S Double a tournament without a buzzer beater, you know what I mean, 296 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:08.559 which that actually does happen. You know, it would be great, though, 297 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.799 you know how they always experiment with new rules in the n It if 298 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.559 they did the elam ending one year, oh yeah, I just to see 299 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.160 how it would work out, yep. And I saw somebody earlier put out 300 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:23.200 there that they should do it in like the non conference tournaments that take place 301 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.119 like the Battle for Atlantis and all that, and and I don't I wouldn't, 302 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.119 you know, I think that would be cool to see it in those 303 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:32.039 events. But then you get into, okay, well, hey, if 304 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:36.079 we'd have played the typical way with the clock hitting zero, not the elam 305 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:40.000 ending. You know that gets real weird if you're a bubble team. Yeah, 306 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:41.039 for seeding that type of stuff, because it's not you know, if 307 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.000 you're gonna if you if you're putting teams in the tournament based off of resume, 308 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:48.960 you know the fact because eventually you're actually playing different games. If you're 309 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:49.519 doing that, you know what I mean, Like, it's it's not the 310 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.759 same thing. It is, but it's not, if you know what I 311 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.759 mean. So I'm not ready to advocate that it should replace the way we 312 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.680 currently play basketball, where you get four quarters or two halves and you wait 313 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.000 until when the clock hits zero whoever's got the most points. But I love 314 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.119 it, man, it has been really and to me, if it's a 315 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.480 if it's a relatively close game and I don't have any interest, like for 316 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:14.599 example, tonight, I'm not gonna watch closely. But if I hear, 317 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:18.720 you know, somebody, if I see somebody tweet out elam ending the Kentucky 318 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.480 Elaw Familia team and the Marshall heard that team, I might tune in if 319 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:25.759 it's close, because you it's gonna likely be a pretty competitive and entertaining finish 320 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:27.200 just because of how you know what you have to do to have to win. 321 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:33.000 So will do you know do you know if Indiana wins, where they'll 322 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:37.880 be playing. I don't know where, but I know that on the other 323 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:41.440 side, it's it's between I think Connecticut, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, and 324 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.519 one other that I'm not thinking of right. So Indiana, if they win 325 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.240 tonight, they're gonna play the winner of tomorrow night's game, which is the 326 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.319 Penn State Pittsburgh alone. Oh well, Penn State made it that for Yeah, 327 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:56.160 Penn State knocked off YU and then another upset took place in the in 328 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.200 the Wichita region. Wichita has been good in this event for you know, 329 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:07.119 since it started. They got upset last night by Colorado's alumni team. So 330 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:10.160 here's who's left in this event. So again, Indiana and Eveland Drive played 331 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:15.480 at seven o'clock on FS one. I mentioned the Penn State in Pittsburgh, 332 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.039 that that that's in the Pittsburgh Pod and whoever wins those two games will play 333 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.920 each other. On the other side of the bracket, you've got the Cincinnati 334 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.920 region that features Red Rose, Thunder and Takeover BC. I gotta be honest, 335 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:29.920 I don't know who either of those teams are, and I'm glad they 336 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.039 don't list them as I mean, they tell you if it's an alum team 337 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:36.359 or not. So that's probably just a mixture of different players, probably some 338 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:37.559 players we've heard of, but they're not all from you know, they're not. 339 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:41.920 It's not a roster where seventy percent is from the same school. And 340 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:45.839 then the the other matchup in that I guess that side of it, meaning 341 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:51.200 the winner of Red Rose Thunder and Takeover BC they'll end up playing. It 342 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:56.160 looks like the winner of Carmen's Crew, which is Ohio State's alumni team, 343 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:00.559 and then a team named Heartfire who is not on the line too. That's 344 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:03.839 right, I knew. I recognize that name for some reason. So yeah, 345 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.640 they are the reigning champions. They've got a lot of guys who I'm 346 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:07.839 familiar with now that I look at the roster, as far as far as 347 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:11.799 like Jordan Bell, former first round pick in the NBA draft, played for 348 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:15.920 the Warriors for a while. DJ Kennedy was a baller at Saint John's. 349 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.880 So yeah, they they're gonna be a tough team to get passed, I 350 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.799 would imagine. So that's that's that matchup. And then if you go to 351 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:25.640 the bottom of the bracket again, this is where we get to the Louisville 352 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.720 side in the Kentucky side. So Kentucky wins tonight, they're you know, 353 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:32.240 we already know that Louisville and Kentucky could if this thing goes chock, it'll 354 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:34.319 be Louisville and Kentucky playing each other at Freedom Hall. But on the other 355 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:37.960 side of that, so you know, let's say it is Louisville and Kentucky 356 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:41.119 and Louisville ends up winning, they'll end up jumping up the bracket to play 357 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.559 whoever comes out of the that defending champs crew. And on the other side, 358 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:52.960 this is where you have looks to be Team Colorado, the Colorado alum 359 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.160 and then the Kansas alum Mash Street. They'll play each other. That is 360 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.599 th again, that's tomorrow, and then the other is Huge Alumni. I 361 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.759 didn't even know they had a team. They are the Forever Koogs and then 362 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:08.880 Team Challenge Als. So a lot of the I feel like this could be 363 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:11.720 a record for the for as far as the amount of alumni teams that have 364 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:17.240 that have advanced this far. But again maybe I'm completely making that up, 365 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:19.440 but I hope to see everybody out there tomorrow because it's gonna be awesome. 366 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:22.960 And uh again, you can never overlook anybody in this event, but this 367 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.640 on paper is there is their easiest game, to be honest with you, 368 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:29.440 all right, don't go anywhere. It's coffee and Company fuel. Bud Thornton's 369 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:33.680 right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. That's right, Coffee and Company rolling 370 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.599 along here on a Tuesday afternoon. Don't forget I'm out next week. I'll 371 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.920 be I will be on vacation, looking forward to, uh, using all 372 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:45.440 my vacation that I have left. I think the other two days that I'll 373 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:47.319 be able to use at some point before we get to the end of the 374 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:51.640 year will be considered comp days. And you know, that's what I want 375 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:52.920 to do, get rid of it before we really get into the thick of 376 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.680 things with football season and basketball season, and you know, as I've mentioned 377 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:00.920 many times, for me, really that's the start of a new year. 378 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:06.079 All right. So the ACC football kickoff currently ongoing, we will hear from 379 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:10.680 Jeff Brahm as well as Ashton Jilotti, Quincy Riley, and Tyler Shuck. 380 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:12.960 Tomorrow, and I'm not really sure what to expect. I would imagine it'll 381 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.319 be the typical stuff you get, you know, talking about getting ready for 382 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:22.559 camp and the off season and things like that. So we'll hear a lot 383 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.519 about Tyler Shuck's injury history, I'm sure, and all those things, and 384 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:29.519 we'll certainly have a lot to chew on from that over these next couple of 385 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:33.400 days. But the big ten media days they started today, and this of 386 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.799 course is their first year adding the teams from the PAC twelve, USC, 387 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.200 UCLA, and Oregon and Washington, so obviously that's really going to be the 388 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.039 dominant thing, I think right out of the gate, just like it was 389 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:49.240 when the SEC had their media event last week, because Texas and Oklahoma are 390 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:56.119 now there. But every commissioner has talked about expansion in some former fashion other 391 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:02.480 than the ACC, because I mean, the question about conference expansion are not 392 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:06.319 about them expanding. When it comes to the AEC, it's about losing potential 393 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:10.640 members to another league that wants to expand. But I still feel like that's 394 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.799 all for nothing because there's no way out at this point. But that could 395 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.480 change, and I still don't know how, but you never know. Right, 396 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:25.079 never say never. So I feel like now we have each athletic director 397 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:27.799 I'd hate to even say on record because you know, they could say like 398 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.920 they give themselves some wiggle room to where whatever they say could really, you 399 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.359 know, mean anything. I think that's what Sanke did, you know. 400 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.559 I think he was a little more on the on the stronger side of like, 401 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.640 look, we're not going to just cut up our pie and give more 402 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.200 pieces without you know, any reason to do it, which is something people 403 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.119 rarely consider when they talk expansion, is that you don't do it just to 404 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.279 do it. There's got to be a reason for Texas and Oklahoma joining the 405 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:55.880 SEC. The reason was because of money and value. Same thing with the 406 00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:59.920 Big Ten adding the West Coast brands, and with the ACC it was an 407 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.720 insurance policy because if you do lose teams, if somehow Clemson Florida State find 408 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.240 a way to get out of the league, you keep it at fifteen members 409 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.880 in an ESPN doesn't have the ability to start all over and say, look, 410 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:12.000 we're actually going to pay you a lot less than what you've been complaining 411 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.799 about. So today the Big Ten commissioner Tony Pettiti, he said this that 412 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:21.160 he's comfortable with the current Big Ten roster, but he went on to say 413 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.119 that he knows that could change down the road, and then he said it 414 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:29.640 probably will. So when I say probably will, I think that I mean 415 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.880 when he says it, I guess not when I say it, but probably 416 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:37.279 will means the ACC. Right, what else would it mean? Because there's 417 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.160 nobody that's in the SEC that would leave to go to the Big Ten, 418 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:44.680 and there's nobody in the Big twelve that I think you would want in the 419 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.920 Big Ten. So it comes down to Notre Dame if they ever wanted to 420 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:49.880 join a league, which, by the way, I think they would join 421 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:53.000 the Big Ten over the ACC. I mean at this point they would. 422 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:56.400 I mean yeah, I mean maybe if it was years ago and they were 423 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.359 already locked in I mean everybody. I mean again, they're already in the 424 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.440 league and every anything else. And there's all kinds of legitimate criticism about John 425 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.519 Swaffer, regardless of what Jim Phillips has to say, but he could have 426 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:15.400 really, and I mean really utilized some leverage like we've never seen before in 427 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:21.200 college athletics. In twenty twenty, Notre Dame was given the opportunity to play 428 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:26.039 a league schedule in the ACC, but they didn't actually have to join the 429 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.880 league. Notre Dame would not have had a season, which, by the 430 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.440 way, you know what that means, no games on NBC, no revenue. 431 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:34.680 I mean, they would have still been able to make money in some 432 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:38.319 form or fashion. And everybody took a loss when it comes to the pandemic 433 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:42.759 that year. But my point is this, what kind of a chump wouldn't 434 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:49.680 utilize the first opportunity he has to actually force Notre Dame to join your league. 435 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:53.759 He didn't do it. Now, I think there was some revenue, 436 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.039 like there was some revenue share with a lot of those NBC games that went 437 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:00.319 to the ACC, right, they got a good cut of that, which 438 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:04.240 you know, that's something. But how much different and this is crazy because 439 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:08.400 I hate to gas up Notre Dame, but how much different is the ACC 440 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.880 if they have Notre Dame, Like you think Clemson in Floriday are still trying 441 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:17.480 to leave. I guess maybe, but you would have had way more money 442 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.599 for everybody in the league because of Notre Dame. They're a one off man. 443 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:25.039 There's nobody like them. They have a national TV deal with the NBC 444 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:30.359 that pays a bookoo amount of money and they have a national reach. So 445 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.119 if they join the ACC and you go to ESPN and say, look, 446 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.480 let's redo it, you're getting First of all, you're getting way more money 447 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.720 than you currently have, and hopefully this time around, it wouldn't be a 448 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:47.000 situation where you have to agree to terms that are locked in for twenty years. 449 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:52.160 So I don't mean we'll never know, right, it's it's long gone, 450 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.720 But I can't see Notre Dame not joining the league at that point. 451 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:59.079 Who else were they gonna What are they gonna do? Not have a season? 452 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:02.759 I mean, I guess they could have opted to do that, but 453 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.599 I don't think anybody would do that if they had another option, even if 454 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:10.039 it means joining a league that you're already in in every other sport and you 455 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:14.519 already play four games every year against that league. And Swafford didn't do that. 456 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:19.160 I mean, it's he's an idiot. So anyways, Notre Dame would 457 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:23.119 be the option for expansion for anybody. Again, if Notre Dame starts working 458 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.519 the phones because they no longer want to be independent, which they're not going 459 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.640 to do, any league would take them. So after that, like if 460 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.440 you are the Big Ten, John, who would you say? Would be 461 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.799 like if you're adding four teams? And do not feel obligated to say Louisville 462 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.160 on my behalf, because I actually think Louisville would have a tough time getting 463 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:45.799 an invite to the Big Ten under any circumstance. But if you are acting 464 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:52.839 as Tony Petiti's assistant, I like that, Junior Associate Commissioner John Olden, 465 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.519 that's it sounds I mean, print the business cards. It sounds official. 466 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:03.839 And you're you're deciding four members of the ACC add value to the Big Ten. 467 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.519 Who you going with? I think you obviously have the easy ones with 468 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.799 Clemson and Florida State, and I know Florida State's kind of been a handful 469 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:18.079 and so maybe there would be some pushback with them specifically. But after those 470 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.720 two, I think the next one you go to is North Carolina specifically, 471 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:26.359 just because they have they're kind of They've always been the biggest overall brand in 472 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.039 the ACC, not just obviously football related, but when you include basketball as 473 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.480 well, and I think the Big Ten does value basketball to an extent. 474 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.960 And then along that this may not be a popular choice, but I feel 475 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:44.319 like you're not getting North Carolina without Duke, and I think Duke would kind 476 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.279 of come along with them by default, so maybe that wouldn't happen. That's 477 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.319 just what I would do. But again, maybe I'm thinking too much along 478 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.160 the lines of basketball specifically with this, because if you don't let's just say 479 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.680 it's not Duke for that fourth team after that, probably go Virginia. That'd 480 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.640 be my next choice if you don't include Duke, if they're not a package 481 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.240 deal with North Carolina. Yeah, I think as much as the nonsense about 482 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:12.559 Florida State is true as far as just them being difficult and them not being 483 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:18.839 a good academic school, if you're expanding and you are the Big Ten and 484 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.720 you're looking to go to the ACC, you will take Florida State because they 485 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.720 give you a lot of value with their reach, their brand, and it 486 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:26.920 puts you in Florida, which you're not in. Like right now, you 487 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:32.880 literally have from California to the Pacific Northwest, and then you go, well, 488 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:34.559 what's the most western team outside of those? It's got to Nebraska, 489 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.720 right, Yes, So then you kind of move over and you're everywhere right 490 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:42.680 midwest. You can get up to the east of course with Mary Maryland and 491 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:47.839 Rutgers and State too. Really, and if you hit Clemson, you're in 492 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.759 the car you're in Carolina. There you hit North Carolina. I mean though, 493 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.319 by the way, North Carolina is a humongous state as far as population. 494 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:59.000 It's a huge university as far as an alumni base and that stuff matters. 495 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.200 They have a big and I know there's a lot of jokes made about 496 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.640 the fake classes that you know basketball players took years ago, but actually think 497 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.839 they are a good school academically. And then you know, you're down in 498 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.519 Florida. If you go get Florida State, so you know, from there, 499 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.359 I think it would come down. I mean, I think actually if 500 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.599 they were gonna take a second Carolina school, they would take n C State 501 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.000 just because those are both public schools. And but here's the thing with that, 502 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.440 I feel like if you do do that, I think you still have 503 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.480 to bring Duke along. Dude gives you nothing though, Like Duke doesn't have 504 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.519 a brand, Duke doesn't have a big alumni based. Duke's alumni base is 505 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.359 tiny, and they're not even they're in like New York. Like Duke would 506 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.440 only be a team. You'd be adding because they would give you another basketball 507 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.000 power like Duke has no football history. Duke has no football fan base. 508 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.519 Duke again, after being in Carolina. It's so hard to see it this 509 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.960 way, especially if you just follow those that region based off of basketball, 510 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.000 because Duke has been great, just as good as Carolina, right, but 511 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:01.880 in that state, I think Duke has is the smallest fan base out of 512 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:07.920 those three by a lot. NC State's got a huge fan base, and 513 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.000 so does Carolina. Duke is just Duke is segmented. I mean, Durham 514 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:14.720 is small. I mean wake Forest probably has a similar type of fan base 515 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.359 than Duke. They just have never been Here's the thing. There are Duke 516 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:22.680 fans like they're not really from North Carolina think oh the place, yeah, 517 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.039 like the Northeast. But again, it's one thing. If that's a massive 518 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:28.920 university, it's a small universe, you know what I mean. So maybe 519 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:30.759 they would do that, right, you could get the three of them and 520 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:37.039 leave wake Forest behind. But in a weird way, Virginia, I can't 521 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:42.200 really tell you why. I would say that it's valuable. But since the 522 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.079 ACC has been discussed as a league that could lose members because of expansion in 523 00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:50.920 the Big ten of the SEC. Virginia has always been a hot name and 524 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.559 it must just be because of the school and because of the I mean, 525 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.519 I can't you are still kind of in the DC area as well too, 526 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.559 which is pretty large popular Virginia. They may have a lot of alum right, 527 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.359 and they they may be a really good academic school, which I believe 528 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.240 they are, but Virginia is the one you can't sell me on brand, 529 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.359 Like they have no brand in football ever, and in basketball, you know, 530 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.359 they've been relevant and of course they've been good under Tony Bennett. He 531 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.680 won a championship and that you know, so they they they have something, 532 00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:30.119 but that's because again Florida State brand, Clemson brand, North Carolina brand, 533 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.599 NC State brand. Even if you're gonna go Duke, it's because of brand. 534 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.880 Although it's one sport, not saying you would do that, but Virginia 535 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.759 it must be everything outside of brand. And it's not to say they don't 536 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:44.960 have any branding, like they're I mean like they're a known program. But 537 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.440 for some reason they've always been viewed as a really attractive candidate because it would 538 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.400 be if they would be the northern most SEC team, if they went to 539 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.480 the SEC. They certainly fit. I mean they're a state school, which 540 00:33:55.480 --> 00:34:00.240 is you know, in fact, these two leagues have a lot of schools 541 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:05.000 that are University of Illinois, you know, University of Kentucky, Indiana, 542 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.359 that kind of stuff. So I'm not sure if that matters. Like what 543 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.000 the school's called, I don't really know. But if it's like the school 544 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.320 of the univer flagship university, yeah, the flagship university for a big, 545 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.000 big state that has a lot of population, It has a lot of people 546 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.480 and has a lot of an alum I mean, I guess that's where Virginia 547 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:24.000 comes in. And honestly, outside of that, like I think, honestly, 548 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:30.679 Clemson, Florida State, Virginia, and Carolina would be the four that 549 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.280 would be most attractive. Louisville would be in that second tier. And I 550 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.239 don't really know where they'd end up in that second tier, right, Like, 551 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:45.119 they probably would be comparable to n C State and Miami and who else. 552 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.480 Like I feel like I'm forgetting somebody in the league. That would happen 553 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.039 Virginia Tech, now, I see, I don't know much about their alumni 554 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.360 base, and and they're they're they're I mean, they have they have a 555 00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.360 brand in football, so yeah, maybe that maybe maybe you throw them in 556 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.039 that tier as well. Now i'd love to see Louisville in the Big Ten. 557 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.119 I don't think it'll ever happen, but I'd love to see Louisville in 558 00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.800 the Big Ten. I I would too, I just you know, I 559 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.199 don't think it's realistic, and it would be I don't know, like when 560 00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:14.679 I think of Louisville playing in either let's say the SEC blow or the ACC 561 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:19.000 blows up today and they end up in the Big Ten, the Big Twelve, 562 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.360 of the SEC, all of them would be weird to just think about. 563 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:23.960 But I think the one that would just feel the most like all right, 564 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:29.000 here we go would be the Big the Big, the Big twelve, 565 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.639 just because you know, you've got other schools like Louisville that have kind of 566 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.760 bounced around over the years. It would be a collection, a hodgepodge of 567 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:37.559 the misfit cos. Yeah, exactly, I mean, that's that's I mean, 568 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.440 honestly, I think that's a good way to put it. But I 569 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:44.519 could see them more realistically in the Big Ten, in the SEC. And 570 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:46.159 I'm not saying like realistic based off of like what would happen. But like 571 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.800 I don't know, some about Louisville playing in the SEC would just be weird. 572 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.599 I mean, they'd be com I think they'd be able to be competitive 573 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.800 in basketball, and as long as things go over with Pat Kelsey. But 574 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:59.199 obviously, you know, you're in a different planet if you're talking football in 575 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:00.599 the SEC. All right, quick break, we'll come back and wrap it 576 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:05.920 up on the other side right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. We can 577 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:07.960 get back into the basketball conversation tomorrow when we have a little more time. 578 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:14.079 Just as far as the non conference schedule, because it really, I mean 579 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:15.920 it's tough to say that this is, you know, one of the most 580 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.079 challenging schedules you'll ever see, because I have no clue if that's the truth 581 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:21.719 or not. In fact, I don't think that's the truth. But when 582 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:27.800 you see Tennessee the battle for Atlantis Field, Kentucky, I mean, even 583 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:32.480 old Miss you know this. This is going to be a challenging first year 584 00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:36.719 for Pat Kelsey as far as just the opponents. But you know, let's 585 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.320 be real with ourselves. I mean, if he can get to the dance, 586 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:44.400 I mean I would imagine we'll probably have amnesia and not remember what we've 587 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:45.840 been through in recent years because I can't think of Louis will get into the 588 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.760 tournament and not having expectations. It just would be weird. But you know, 589 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:52.760 the bar is set low when it comes to, you know, doing 590 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.679 some things to really get us excited. That's already happening, by the way. 591 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:58.840 So anyway, we're out of time, so if you missed anything on 592 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:00.159 the show today, make sure you check out the pot. It'll be up 593 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.320 here shortly and we'll be back at it tomorrow for a Wednesday edition of Coffee 594 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.280 and Company, and I hope you guys will join us right here on Sports 595 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:08.159 Talk seven ninety