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This is a downbeat on ninety seven
one the freak all right, thirty minutes

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will jump back in the MAVs Lakers
for a minute. And also, Danny

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and I have Power ranked our top
ten TV shows of twenty twenty three.

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This was a lot more difficult than
I thought, wasn't it. But it

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was a lot of fun. It
was fun to do. Yeah, and

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I still I feel good about it. But I also, like I've said,

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there going fighting about a couple of
spots on there. But you know,

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we'll get to that. Didn't Good
Morning News at eight thirty I am

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going to ask that you get to
the story that involves panties boobies, Which

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is the story or do you want
boobies? Well, there's many stories that

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you have, but one on your
links I saw involved a celebrity relationship that

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I do what you to talk about, involving Andrew wk by getting a party

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started. It's one of the weirdest
I had no one of the weird ones.

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I had no idea that was even
the thing. At eight thirty nine,

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We're gonna have Jeff and Julie from
the Speakeasy on from two to six

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pm. They are in trouble.
They're in trouble. At nine, we

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will go through their official iHeart Employee
performance review, and we'll find out what

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some of their goals are for twenty
twenty four. If they make it,

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that's in the hands of me now, Kevin Turner, the Klamath National Forest

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Radio Personality of the Year, take
that for awards. Joining us now live

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in studio. We normally did the
scuttle but here we're gonna shift out of

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that a little bit today because I've
got a good friend in studio and you

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might know him from his work in
d magazine. It is Mike Palucci at

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Mike Like Sports on Twitter. Hello
Mike, what is up, buddy?

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How are you guys? I feel
like I'm really bringing the mood down.

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If you know, you're talking about
firings and you're talking about awards. These

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are big high points, and now
you just got me here, I feel

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like I'm bringing the mood down.
No, no, here's the thing.

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Basically, I've taken over the responsibility
of reviewing everyone's performance here at the station

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because I'm equipped to do so obviously, because I won the Klamath National Forest

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Radio Persons established. Yes, he
will, he will remind you in case

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you forget took. Yeah, well
Sroy's won some awards, but he's on

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vacation, so you know he couldn't
do it. So I've known Mike for

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a long time. I know,
Mike, you've been up here in studio

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before with Been and Skin Show.
But you I told you probably little Let's

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probably two or three weeks ago on
the phone, and we uh, this

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is about the same time that Mike
and Danny and I and JJ went and

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saw the Ironclaw world premiere, Yes, at the Texas Theater and nows were

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you at that? I was,
yeah, Which it's funny. I lived

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in LA for a long time,
and uh, to me, it didn't

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scan as quite as big as it
probably should have because like I'm just like,

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oh, a movie premiere and then
by coworkers like yeah, you know,

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we don't do that in Dallas a
whole lot, right, I'm like,

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oh, yeah, yeah, because
it was a big deal. Man,

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A lot of people were the whole
movie was there. They kind of

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shut down the whole neighborhood. It
was a cool scene for it to be

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a world premiere like that. Yeah. Yeah, and just here, you're

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right, I mean, JJ goes
to a lot of like premieres and things

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like that. She's our resident movie
expert around here. But like that was

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I mean for me, who doesn't
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But then just knowing that where it
was happening, the Texas Theater and

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the town's history was a big difference. But also between a premiere and a

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screening, you know that that happens
before the actual release. Gah. Yeah,

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So you know, we all watched
the movie, we discussed it,

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you know, a ton three weeks
ago, and then you know it's about

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to be released to the public here
in a couple of weeks. I've seen

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that it's starting to get reviewed a
little bit, and it's mixed. You

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know, I'm seeing a lot of
a good a good balance of people liking

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it to people thinking it was kind
of dull, which I kind of bell

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on the side of it being a
little dull. I felt like they missed

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it was a missed opportunity. I
thought they could have gone really hard into

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their life, maybe been a little
more truthful about it. There's a lot

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of inaccuracies in it that are obvious
to every you know, to everyone that

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kind of knows the story, but
they could have they could have gone a

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little more rest the wrestler with it
than uh. There was too much Hollywood

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and CBS after school special aesthetic to
it that just kind of watered it down

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for me. It could have been
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than than I think it was.
And it was and it wasn't just watered

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down completely, right, Yeah,
it just could have been a lot more

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realistic, I felt. I thought
the funny thing was just being in the

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theater. You could tell who knew
the story and who didn't by people gasping

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at certain moments. You know,
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first time they showed Kerry without without
a leg of people are like, and

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uh, I'm sitting there. I'm
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know what you guys kind of thought
you were getting into this. This kind

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of sort of feels my theory as
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about to discuss that, like the
number of people out there who don't know

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the story and are just you might
be going for a zac Efron Prestige film.

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They have no idea how dark this
thing gets. They're just not at

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all prepared for how rough it gets, and so what I give, like

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the cliff notes version, people like, wait, there were six of them,

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but five of them died before they
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yeah, man, it's rough.
It's pretty rough. Well, and for

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someone like me who only knew about
the van Erks through growing up, you

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might hear your dad mention it here
and there, and then really just working

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in radio for ten years, like
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part of my life, so you
just kind of knew the name a little

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bit. It knew a little bit
of the history, and it was nothing

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I ever dove in on too much
because I'm not, you know, I'm

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a quote unquote wrestling guy. Well, people in Dallas probably it's lost on

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them that this was a very metroplex
centric family and their place in the history

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of wrestling was largely sectioned off to
this part of the country. We had

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Chris Jericho on yesterday and I asked
him, what was your interact because you

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know, he's fifty three years old, he's in that wheelhouse. To have

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crossed paths with those guys, goes, what was your interaction your connection with

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the von Erics back in the day
and he goes, none whatsoever. He

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goes, I'm from New York.
I lived in Canada. Why would I

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rackey? People forget you know,
sure, so just tell us about the

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article that is in D magazine.
It's on you can get it in the

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magazine right now, it'll be online
next week. And tell us about the

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premise and yeah, kind of the
story here because it's wild. Yeah.

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So if you really go back to
nineteen eighty eight, and this is when

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it's kind of the midpoint of all
of the deaths of the family, and

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so D magazine really did the best
magazine story ever on the von Erics by

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the great Skip hoonds Worth is now
Texas Monthly, one of the best journalists

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ever. And you know it was
called follow the House fot Eric, which

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at that point there were still two
more deaths to go. But you know,

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after three of them die, you're
sort of thinking, how could get

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it worse than this? Right,
you know, just the most depressing part

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of this. And so we what
year was that article written in? Eighty

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eight? Eighty? Yeah, you
should it's archived, right, it's online.

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Yeah, it's online, you read. Everybody should go check it out.

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It's because it's talking to the whole
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It's right before they got you know, right before Fritz got out of the

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business. It's really a phenomenal piece
of journalism. And you know, as

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the result, I mean, certainly
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doing things when the movie comes out, because how could you not. But

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for all of us at d were
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for this because we you know,
this magazine has a history of writing the

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best magazine pieces ever been done on
the Von Erics. So what do we

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do? And let me tell you, it's a little daunting. When you

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were reading Skip Pald's Worth, who
is definitely a lot better at this than

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I am, You're like, god, I have to follow that guy.

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But what we came up with was, if you know the Von Erics story,

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there was always this curious part of
it that really now these days it

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gets presented as a footnote, which
is that midway through after David dies and

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he debuts after Mike Van Eric would
later commit suicide, but at the time

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he was wrestling, but he had
basically experienced a shoulder injury. The surgery

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went bad, he got septic shock, he'd had brain damage. Mike was

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kind of about a commission, and
so they bring out a ringer, a

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fake Von Eric named Lance spot Eric. Lance Vaughan Eric in reality is a

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guy who was a bodybuilder that they
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they were like, hey, do
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I'm oversimplifying here for the sake of
radio, they've been searching for a bit.

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But it's a curious footnote because Lance
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which is the Von Eric's promotion,
for about a year and a half,

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and then he's gone. And if
you watch any documentary about them,

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it will always be mentioned he's in
the movie, except they cut the guy's

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scene, so you see basically one
action sequence that if you don't know who

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it is, you're not going to
know who it is. Yeah, but

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it's always mentioned, and it's kind
of just mentioned as like this is the

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biggest disaster of all time. But
so we had the idea, can we

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find this guy, can we talk
to him? And we did, and

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really, when if you talk to
him, and then you talk to people

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who were around at the time,
you get this understanding of just how weirdly

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pivotal. If you want to understand
why this all went downhill for the promotion,

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you kind of have to understand the
Lance van Eric story because it's not

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as though this single handily broke the
promotion. You know the fact that this

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was built around family boys and the
boys start dying, that's gonna do it.

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But what really ended up happening is
to understand how Lance's story unfolds.

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You get how the fans really fell
out of love with his family that was

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as big as the cowboys in Dallas
at one point, because back in the

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eighties, everybody believed wrestling is still
real and the most authentic story in wrestling

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was this family. And eventually you
bring in someone who isn't a von Eric

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and people find out he's out of
on Eric, because the wildest part of

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this is the Von Erics told them
he's not of on Eric, and it

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just burns this thing to the ground
because at that point, once people find

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out the actual truth, they had
sort of stood by this family through so

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many tragedies at that point that they're
kind of looking like, wait, wait,

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wait, wait, wait, we're
you you told us. This guy's

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of Eric, but he's not of
on Eric. And now you're telling us

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not to care anymore. We believe
everything you told us, and now he's

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gone. How did at the time
did the family, the von Eric family,

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couch this out of the blue family
member. How did they set it

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up? Was he did they say, Oh, he's a cousin that has

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lived abroad and now we're bringing him
back into the fold. I was just

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curious how they incorporated him into their
their whole scene. Well, so there's

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there's two broad explanations, right,
One is that this is still wrestling.

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Wrestling is a you know, it's
a storytelling thing, but it's a Carney

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thing. You make things up.
And the second layer to this is that

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when Fritz von Eric who's the dad, started wrestling years ago, they had

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a storyline brother for Fritz named waldov
on Eric. This is when they were

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wrestling out in Canada, Waldo,
which you know Fritz the von Eric boys,

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Right. So yeah, so back
especially back in Canada, which is

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when they're really you know Fritz,
Well, before Fritz was a thing in

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Dallas, Fritz was wrestling all over
the country, right, So he had

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teamed with waldov On Eric and occasionally
waldov On Eric would make appearances at the

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Sportatorium. So it's not as though
these people were not accustomed to the idea

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that there could be more von Eric's
out there. The problem is is that,

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you know, Fritz is a really
smart businessman. Uh and basically,

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you know, everybody knew that Fritz
von Eric was really Jack Adkisson, right,

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you know his boys. You know, of the five on Eric sons,

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the three made it to adulthood where
the big adonises, you know,

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David, Kevin Carrey. They were
on TV in world class, you know,

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during the local broadcast every week when
they were kids. Because they're all

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really good athletes. So the problem
wasn't necessard. If Fritz von Eric just

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happened to have storyline sons or maybe
people weren't so attached to those sons,

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maybe this would have worked. But
the problem is that these guys were on

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TV ever since there were kids.
Because if Kevin had a great football game

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because he played full back in North
Texas, you're gonna hear about a TV

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Kevin Adkinson is gonna be on TV, like, look what Kevin did this

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week, Look what David did in
basketball. Look with Kerry who was an

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incredible discus thrower, like an actual
Olympic hopeful. Look at this guy did

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in discus. So you became attached
to these kids, you know. People

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in the story tell me it's like
the city grew up with them and Danny,

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you were around, so you could
remember this a little better. Like

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people loved that family and so as
a result, you create this bond that's

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better for business. But the trick
is if you taint it in some way,

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that's when it goes bad. So
as far as how do they bring

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Lance in, it's well, here's
cousin Lance. And to a point,

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it's like, you know, okay, well we've seen Walda before. Sure

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there could be more von Erics.
And it's worth noting that David Manning,

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who played a ton of different roles
in the promotion, he was Fritz's right

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hand man for a while, you
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look, even when this was working, people probably may some people may

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have suspected it. But because the
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going so well, people didn't really
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work. That's not like the Internet
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exactly well, where of mouth did
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How did you find And by the
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who wrote a big article on Lance
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Eric brother cousin cousins, be a
cousin, you know, just to say

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you and I aren't cousins. Yeah, we go back far enough. Maybe

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the branches, you know, we're
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we probably are. And uh,
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Eric? So, yeah, that
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Actually, to be fair, it
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Thankfully it wasn't tricky. So I
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So I, you know, at
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because the way my job works,
if you're gonna profile anybody, everybody's got

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a different process. For me,
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uh, kind of late in the
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him know I'm doing it, but
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then, because invariably I talked to
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else around you they're to tell me
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just got to go circle back with
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So to come a knowledge what his
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it, he said, yeah,
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He's got a Wikipedia paget. And
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mean, they flat out when this
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the guy's real name on TV whole
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it's kind of incredible how this all
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It didn't work. But he had
written a book a couple of years

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ago called Lance by Chance, amazing
title, and so I read it,

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and you know, I just found
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said, hey, you know,
and sometimes sometimes journalists help each other out

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with sometimes they don't. It's really
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and I'm basically asking him me to
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he knows to one of his sources. But this guy was super cool,

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great guy named Vinnie Barry, and
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know, the name of the book
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you know who knows. Maybe they
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about to get the book. So
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let me talk to Lance and get
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me the same day, so Lance
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him and he's in Baja, Mexico. He works in the time share industry

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now does half the year in Baja, half year in South Africa, which

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is a much cooler existence than I
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And the thing that I did not
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where he is, could be real
spotty because the time first time I get

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on the phone, it's easy.
He's like, you know, we're texting?

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Is like calling me Sunday night at
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like six times and the number is
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did he changes number on me?
What is going on? And I don't

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you know, I cannot get a
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I'm like, I don't know what's
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apart for reasons I don't understand.
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like, Hey, where worry you? The night man, I'm like,

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dude, your phone doesn't work.
It's like, oh phone lines,

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baha, yeah, just call me
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so thankfully we did, and that's
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I don't know how much you want
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apart. Wow, we want everyone
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broad strokes of it, which you
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know the broad strokes is just the
amount of people we talked to for this

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thing. You know, nobody's really
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one book. Kevin van Erickson there, Michael Hayes, the leader of the

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Freebirds, is in there. David
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while, was in there. So
we've got i mean, nobody's got have

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the full version of this, and
the design is freaking incredible. We got

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an illustrator who's in the Netherlands who
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So anyways, you know, so
even when you hear this, still

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read this story because whatever I'm gonna
tell you on radio, whatever you can

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google. It's not gonna be as
thorough as what we all put the work

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in to tell here. But basically, Lance was a real estate agent before

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he was doing this. Lance was
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as a real estate agent. So
it's not like he is this dude who

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aspired to be a prorestler all his
life. He was very much lured into

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this by hey, you can make
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you know, I'll give it a
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the entertainment bug. He got the
entertainment bug, you know. And Lance

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is one of these dudes when you
talk to him, he just some people

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just know how to make money.
Lance is one of those guys. He

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just knows. Like He's had so
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life, you know, but he's
he's done very well for himself. He

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sold some gyms in South Africa and
made like a good amount of money off

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that. He's just one of those
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they know how to make the opportunity
work. So he says, Okay,

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I'll go try it. It works
for about a year and a half,

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and you'll you'll see it when you
read the piece. But the schedule

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they had him on was wild,
and they're paying him about you know,

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in the beginning, he got some
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up at one point he's working two
shows in the same day, which means

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he might wrestle in the opening match
in Waco, then drive back the sport

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to tour Nament made event. Good. God, he's you know, the

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drive time, he would be so
pressed for time. He's wearing his wrestling

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gear in the car because it it's
time to change. That's such a grind.

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He's such a grind. And he's
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He's a powerlifter. And he said
this, and you really can kind

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of tell if you look at the
photos and look at the He's like,

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if you look at how big I
was when I started and what my size

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was at the end, I kept
shrinking because I did not have time to

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work out because I'm working these wild
hours and he's getting paid about a one

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fiftieth show. Now, they're the
counterpoints to this, because I'm sitting here

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and I'm reacting like you guys are
reacting like this sounds rough, This does

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not sound like it's planned. The
counterpoint to this, and we're gonna have

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an accompanying story online because we couldn't
get this guy before the movie came out

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because of the sag after strike.
The guy who plays Lance in the movie

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is a wrestler for All Elite Wrestling
name Maxwell Jacob Freeman MJF. It's the

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world Champion of the promotion. Very
charismatic dude. MJF plays him. I

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really wanted to talk to him for
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We talked after publication and then we're
read it online. But Max is

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basically like, well, you know, I don't have a sympathy for a

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Lance because I'm a wrestler and that
wrestling culture is, yeah, you pay

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your dues and you do this stuff. So the disconnect is, if you're

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a wrestler, you're thinking, okay, well, this stuff happens if you're

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not a wrestler and your a real
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you're gonna make a bunch of money
if you wrestle, and then you at

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one point you start falling behind in
your bills so much you need to get

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a loan to pay for your stuff. You're thinking, this sucks, man.

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So Lance quits after year and a
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pull over an Ennis to get some
gas just his spanax puppet gas wave a

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weird shoes. So he is a
He wrestled. He did the whole wrestling

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barefoot thing, which I feel like
would just I'd break like all my toast

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if I did that. But he
did that. He did Kevin von Eric

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did that too, sure, So
anyways, Lance, it's like, look,

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man, you know, he asked
for rais, doesn't get the raises,

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like thanks but no thanks, I'm
out, and he thinks that's the

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end of it. But this is
back you know, in the eighties,

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and like you're saying, like Chris
Jericho is talking about, he wouldn't have

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come to Dallas because this is before, you know, back then, WWE

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is just a territorial operation in New
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Everybody's got your territory, Aaron's got
your talent. We don't cross lines.

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So Dallas, you know, he
might quit the territory Dallas. Who's

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to say that Lance Van Eric can't
just go wor in some other big territory

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in New York and if people are
watching, and this is when territories are

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trying up and consolidating, so these
operations are becoming bigger and bigger. Who's

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to say someone doesn't see him on
TV or see him in a magazine and

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it's like, wait, this guy's
wrestling is I don't know Jack Simpson,

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that was Lance Van Eric. He's
not a real Vaughan Eric. That what's

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going on? So what happens is
they try to the family tries to beat

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everybody to the punch and go on
TV and expose them preemptively. So you

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have first to have kry Von Eric
going on TV and saying, you know

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that he's an impostor, Sandy's imposter. But doesn't I remember when this happened?

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And yes, so he says he's
not you know, his name's William

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Vaughn. He won't be here tonight. He's walked out on us. He

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doesn't really get into all of the
specifics. Wow. So then people are

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asking what the hell's going on?
And so a month later, Fritz goes

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on TV and just in no uncertain
terms says, this man's name is William

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Kevin Vaughan, he has you know, he's not a Von Eric. He'll

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never be a Von Eric. He
might try to contes off the name,

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which is trademarked, I legally protected, and he can't do that. Now,

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if you're somebody who's just a fan
of these people in Dallas, and

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these guys are so big, they
shut down six Flags when they're there freaking

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six Flags because there are too many
people swarming the Von Erics. That is

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the cowboys. Man. It did
crazy. So if you're just a normal

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person in DFW and you're like,
I love the Von Eiris. This is

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like my wrestling family TV. This
the most wholesome, good family boys who've

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been through some hard times. Because
David died and by this point Mike had

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died, and then you're hearing,
wait a second, you just lied to

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me in an era when you know, people thought this was so real that

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when I asked Michael Hayes about Lance, He's like, well, you got

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to remember, I can tell you
a little bit about working with him.

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I never hung out with this man
outside of wrestling because I was a bad

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guy and he was a good guy. We could not be seen together in

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public it would not work. That's
how real this still was. And even

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in nineteen eighty seven. So you're
telling these people, yeah, he's not

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a von Eric. And by the
way, you know this name that you're

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attached to, our great family name, this is trademarked, illegally protected.

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So don't ever try to use this
at home. Kids. What do you

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think is going to happen? Yeah, and it just shattered the mistique in

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a lot of ways because there were
fans who were just like, we've stuck

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by you through this awful stuff.
And remember, Mike van Eric committed suicide.

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Suicide in Texas in the eighties,
carries a stigma very different than what

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it does now. And so these
people are like, wait, we've stood

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by you the whole way, and
you're just coming out here and you're telling

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us that you lied to us like
that you just to try and make more

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money because you didn't have enough von
Erics. You threw another von Eric in

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the mix. What's going on,
man? And so that's when this seemingly

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small footnote in the story, if
you really get the timeline and you really

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get how the promotion fell apart,
Lance van Eric very unwittingly and not in

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a way that he ever intended to. Played a very crucial part in this

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whole story because he kind of fueled
the whole downfall, the whole thing.

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Can't wait to read this, man, You can get it right now.

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You can just go with the magazine
at the magazine and it'll be online next

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week next Thursday, twenty Yeah.
If the movie's coming out next Friday,

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we'll have it up online next Thursday. The design for it's gonna be really

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sick, include the supplemental piece that's
gonna come out the day of the movie

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on Friday. So Thursday we'll have
the story online. Friday. You will

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hear from mjf the guy who played
Lancewan Eric in the movie. It was

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also an EP on the movies kind
of taught people how to wrestle. I

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think it's part of that whole fantastic
and wait, dude, Yeah, And

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Mike runs a strong side over at
the magazine with you know, people writing

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articles out. Not only Mike,
our buddy Jake Kemp writes for you guys

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sometimes, and so I'll go check
that out as well. It's a good

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group, very incredibly is great always
great reads. Cowboys, MAVs, you

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name it, we got it,
man, So thank you there is.

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That's Mike Palucci at Mike Like Sports
on Twitter x whatever we're calling it now.

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Uh go check out that article today
or next week. Uh coming up

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next we're gonna get back into MAVs
and Lakers because that's not the only big

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game for the MAVs this week.
And the top ten TV shows of twenty

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twenty three, next to Nice seven
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