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Hey everybody, and welcome to another
episode of my Angular story. This week

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we're talking to Andrew Evans. Andrew, do you want to say hello and

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introduce yourself? Sure? My name
is Andrew Evans. I am a software

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developer. I'm actually going to be
at Captech Ventures. I recently just left

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Capital one and I'm happy to be
here when I'm building a new product.

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G two I. Very cool Yeah, we had you on what about this

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time last year? Yeah, that's
right. Yeah, yeah, we talked

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about deploying to Firebase with Circle CI. Yes. Yeah. So anyway,

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this shows a little bit more about
you as a programmer and a person and

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your journey than it was about the
technology on the other show. So as

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we get started, I'm just kind
of curious, how did you get into

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programming in the first place. Yeah, okay, So I ended up kind

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of on a long and winding road
to get kind of where I am now.

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I originally actually have a bachelor's degree
in history. I wasn't really sure

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like what I wanted to do when
I got to college. I had always

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kind of been interested in technology,
honestly, but I hadn't really thought that

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was going to be the route for
me, and I had considered going into

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law or even like teaching or something
like that. I got to, i

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guess my third year of college and
realized that I didn't really want to do

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all those things. But I needed
a job. And so at the time,

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Huntington Ingles new Pert News Shipbuilding or
most people just call it newper New

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ship Building and Newport News was hiring
designers and they were doing basically like a

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votech program, which was essentially a
year of like you they put you through

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these graphic design courses and then you
work on the floor as a like a

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draftsman, like you know, you're
actually making the drawings or at that time

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they were getting into product models and
because they were using a lot more like

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machinery and they were trying to streamline
what had been a manual building process.

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Anyway, it was a great experience
and I did that while I finished my

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bachelor's and I still did my history
degree, and I was working full time

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and in school full time, which
you know, was not for the light

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at heart, but I did it. And then probably like maybe six months

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into that, or maybe like a
year after all of that, I realized

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I kind of wanted to go back
and be for to do like engineering,

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and I found out about the master's
and computer science program at the college.

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I went to Christopher Newport and through
a couple of different like pre RECs and

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a couple of things that I had
to do ahead of time to be administered

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and into the school, I was
allowed to go ahead and take the do

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the master's program. And I was
still working full time, and I did

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that, and this this whole process
took about four and a half years,

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and uh, I really just fell
in love with programming. I was kind

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of interested in, like I said, like technology all along, but this

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was my first foray really into like
true like programming and like like coding and

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you know essentially like software development rather
than just from like a hobbyist standpoint of

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you know, like building machines and
that kind of thing. And so,

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you know, I finish the my
masters and then like I transitioned over into

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they had a software engineering group and
I worked with them for about six years,

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and I did just about everything,
and I had a great time.

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I learned a lot about like you
know, connecting systems. I did a

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lot of things that connected essentially legacy
systems to systems that they would buy.

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And so I had a lot of
kind of experiences where I had to troubleshoot

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things and I had to you know, they gave you, you know,

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this thing in your lap and like, okay, make this work, and

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so I had to do research and
I got to work with like all kinds

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of different people across the company,
and it was a it was a lot

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of fun and I basically kind of
got to the end of that period,

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and that's when I realized that I
still wanted to stay in technology, and

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I kind of and I had at
that point become like a senior engineer,

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and so that brought me to Capital
One, and that's where I've been up

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until recently, which is, like
I said in the beginning, I'm getting

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to transition over to Captec Ventures as
a consultant. And since being at Capital

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One, and then when we talked
last time, which was I guess last

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year, this time, you know, I've been able to do all kinds

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of things, even beyond the work
that I did when I worked for new

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Pert Neuwership building, and I've been
able to get into open source. I've

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been able to get into cloud technologies, and you know, again it's just

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it amazes me because you know,
I'm going on just about I guess this

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is my ninth year, tenth year
in like technology, and I still love

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it. You know. It's like
one of those things where I think,

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you know, pretty shortly in the
in the process of getting up to speed

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and learning, I just like it
never stopped being interesting. And it's the

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only thing that I think, like
subject matter wise, has really been that

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way for me because I've always been
kind of somebody that I wouldn't really has

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a short attention span, but I
do get kind of bored. And technology

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is so diverse and there's so much
to learn that it always has something interesting,

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you know, and it's and it's
still exciting. And I will say

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that, you know, you do
have to after working in an industry for

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a while, you do have to
like do certain things to you know,

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get yourself out of lulls. And
it's it is sometimes easy to kind of

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get into like patterns. But either
way, that's you know, kind of

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where I am. And now you
know, as a result, I ended

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up actually doing an MBA in the
middle of that story. Also that I

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didn't mention. And now, uh, you know, I work full time

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as a software engineer, and I
in my free time, I contribute to

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open source projects. I do a
fair amount of blogging, and I do

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talks at meetups and a couple other
local groups, and I just you know,

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like I said, I love it. I have fun, and I

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I try to help people, you
know, whenever possible as well. Yeah,

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it makes sense. I'm I'm kind
of curious, you know, just

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to back up a little bit,
so it sounds like you had an interest

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in tech, you got the designer
job, and then you transitioned in to

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programming. At what point did you
really consider yourself a programmer? I would

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say probably like my second year in
the master's program, I was doing this

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project for a like it was a
software engineering course, and it was one

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of those courses that's like a survey
of software engineering and we went over you

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know, like the traditional agile versus
waterfall versus like scrum and extreme programming and

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all that stuff, and we were
also at the same time learning design patterns.

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It was, and we had to
do this project that was really really

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intense. It was like a it's
basically like a drawing project. And this

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was back with Java swing. And
if you've ever done Joba swing, you

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know it can be a huge pain
because you you have to define everything,

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like you define the canvas, you
define literally like where pixels are. You

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know, it's just very it's very
intense. And basically we had to design

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this program that would allow you to
draw shapes, and then we had to

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implement I think a queue and then
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to do undo and redo, so
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travel, I guess, like you
see in read us or a lot of

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applications today. But like the whole
thing was that, you know, I

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think that whole project took me like
about forty hours of work, and it

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was the first time where I had
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everything, you know. It wasn't
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you know, up until that point
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I was copying you pasting things,
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And that was one of those projects
where it just kind of, you

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know, you hit that critical mass
moment where you're like, wow, I

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understand this, you know, and
it's awesome, you know. And I

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mean my code was probably terrible,
Like I'm kind of ashamed of probably whatever

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I wrote there, but that's it's
common thing. Yeah, But like you

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know, all to say, it
was about the experience, you know,

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and it was one of these things
where like you you know, you stood

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back and you were like I really
get it, you know, and it

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was just kind of like this cathartic
moment where you've been working so hard to

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try to understand so so so basically
the other part. So I told you

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the first program where like I,
it was the drawing program. The next

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one was the that I really felt
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I had to implement a hard drive. It was basically like it's all in

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memory, but I had to you
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stack trace. You have like a
glob of memory, and then you have

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some kind of program that would would
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a predefined pattern. And the whole
thing was that we would implement a cash

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with it, and then you would
have to do metrics on the cash so

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you could show like how what kind
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using the cash or not using it, that kind of stuff. The way

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that the assignment was written was very
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the program to run all at once
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the logging as the things as the
cash was being read. And so anyway,

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it was a I had a really
slow computer. I had like a

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it was like an old laptop that
because I didn't have a lot of money

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you know back then, and so
like I, it was slow. It

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was a really big program. And
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it. I set it up to
log all the information as the program ran,

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and I just let it run for
about ten hours and I went out,

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you know, I went out with
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shopping or something. And I came
back and I had all the metrics through

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them into Excel, wrote up my
report, and I was done. And

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that was like one of the coolest
things ever because I just realized that,

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like, I let a whole job
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one of those another one of those
moments where I realized that, you know,

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I knew what I was doing,
you know, And it's just kind

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of one of those things where I
think we spend a lot of time,

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especially in the software world, where
we you know, try to do things,

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but we're just kind of hanging on, like we you know, maybe

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we only have no pieces of it, or we know that, you know,

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this thing doesn't work, and it's
just really it's really, you know,

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amazing when you do a full you
create a system and it works,

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It works the way it's supposed to
do, and it works well. Makes

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sense. So how did you wind
up getting into Angular? So about two

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years ago, like shortly after I
got to Capital One, the one of

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the projects that I was on,
they we had a front end developer and

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then we had a couple of back
end folks and I was actually hired on

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as a job a developer or a
back end person. And basically the front

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end person left the company and we
were kind of we were stuck, like

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we needed somebody to take over the
work. And you know, as I

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told you, like, you know, I'm always a curious person, so

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I was like, well, let's
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was an Angular JS so you know, what a whole lot to write home

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about, but like it. It
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community and I took over this stories
and you know, I helped to bring

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the project back up the speed and
whatever. But it was a great learning

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experience. And then it made me
interested in Angular, like like Angular two

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plus, and I started to at
home. I started playing with Firebase,

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which is kind of one of the
reasons that I ended up writing the article

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and doing the talk that I did
with you last year. And so basically

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I did a couple more contributions to
that project, and then there was a

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couple of projects after that that were
actually Angular, and I really got to

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get my hands dirty with all this
stuff. And then the I started getting

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into the open source projects because I
started to see, like I started following

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injury X, I started following like, you know, the Angular project,

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and I started meeting all these people. And then the big thing that got

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me into it was when I got
to be part of the Angular and depth

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of community and I was able to
I got invited to be a guest author,

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and then I ended up just being
a regular contributor. And the the

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friendships and the things that I've learned
from working with the folks that contribute to

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that blog, it's just it's just
amazing. I mean it's still like I

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follow it all the time, just
and I learned, you know, something

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new all the time with them.
But that all really got me more into

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the whole time. I'm you know, working on different Angular projects and the

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and I got you know, a
chance to learn about like lazy loading modules

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or like service workers or stuff like
that, and anyway, it just it

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just kind of continued to grow and
it's and it's been great because the Angular

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community is really friendly. You know, there's a lot of support and you

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know, if you have problems to
you need to open a GitHub issue or

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go to a forum or something.
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enjoyed about it was that people.
You know, one of the things that

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I'm i guess more or less kind
of proud of is that I've found that

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people are actually reading my blog,
like you know, like we're blogging.

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Is so interesting because when you write
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well, nobody's going to read this, and then like you know,

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has really helped me. And and
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in the first part, helping people
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people that way. And so it's
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me, you know, an angular
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a still a fan of software development. Early in my career, I figured

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out which jobs were worth working at
and which ones weren't. Mostly by trial

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and error. I created a system
that I used to find jobs and later

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contracts as a freelancer. If you're
looking for a job or trying to figure

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out where you should go next,
and check out my book, The Max

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Cooder's Guide to Finding your Dream Developer
Job. The book walks you through figuring

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out what you want, vetting companies
that meet your criteria, meeting that company's

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employees, and getting them to recommend
you for a job. Don't settle for

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whoever has listed their job on the
job board. Go out and proactively find

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the job you'll love. Buy the
book at devchat dot tv slash job book.

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That's devchat dot tv slash job book. That makes sense. And yeah,

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there's there's a lot to that,
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the community around Anguler. Yeah.
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twenty twelve, thinking like JavaScript was
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just like I'm amazed because it's you
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the features. And even since I've
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and it's all leveraging JavaScript. Very
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these days? Well, so,
like I told you, I'm getting ready

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as I said Angular, I've been
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at home or on the side,
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just did. I'm working on a
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of just responded to one of the
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to add injury X to existing app. So I wrote, like a fairly

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lengthy process for that and it created
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working on the I've kind of gotten
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been using Twilio and having some fun
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basic express APIs that that I have
a little chatbot that will call and help

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me to do some basic tasks during
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beyond that. Next week now I
think it's two weeks away, I'm presenting

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a talk on firebase and how to
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a meet up in Richmond. So
I'm just have a few things on the

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fire but and then you know,
all of that has like associated posts and

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talks and and whatever else, so
never a never a dull moment. I

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guess, yeah, it makes sense. Cool, Well, good luck on

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the move, Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I think I think we'll

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be all right. We you know, it's it's really nice to move back

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to somewhere that you're very familiar with
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I guess yeah, so yeah,
but yeah, the next time,

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next time you talk to me,
I'll be a full time Richmond or again.

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There you go. One thing that
I'm always wondering is, you know,

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you get into Angular, are there
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community already, are the particular features
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the whole separation of concerns. I
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a small project being in one file,

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but having just that that basic set
of standards where you know every component is

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going to have, you know,
a template versus like you know, a

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style sheet and the actual component back
in more or less file. Those kind

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of patterns are what really really make
me appreciate Angular and what what I like

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a lot because you know, one
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it scales very well. You know, it has like a very consistent model

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that if you have like a team
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for developers to come on board because
it follows the same kind of you know,

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methodologies versus something like you know,
Reactor or one of those other frameworks,

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because they those are great, but
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freedom, and it's hard sometimes when
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like, my favorite part of Anguler
probably is really honestly just the continuity

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of everything because even you know,
in the way that you define services versus

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components and that kind of thing,
you know, it's all kind of the

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same pattern. And so I would
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I'm also super excited about IVY.
I've been having fun kind of playing

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a good any any performance boost is
a good thing. Yeah, absolutely,

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what do you Yeah, I was
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the the post on on the new features

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always like a you know, a
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or less just kind of excited about
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newest upgrades to Angular can really make
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there's room for contributions, and you
know, they're really getting into more of

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like a community model, which is
really great because now it's not just like

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a framework that Google created, it's
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Yeah, that makes sense, and
and I love that aspect of things too,

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especially because the community is really what
makes Angular terrific. Yeah. Absolutely,

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really top notch. Yeah, and
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lot of people are always worried about
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up, you know, to a
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changes that they make in Angul aren't
necessarily effective of what works for Google,

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so much of what works for the
community, which is like you know,

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a really great future. Well if
people wanted to kind of get a glimpse

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into who you are. I mean, because we usually talk about code,

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we talk about careers, but there's
a lot more to folks than just what

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makes you into the programmer that you
are, the professional that you are.

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So if people got to know you, what other kinds of things would they

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find out about you? Oh?
Sure? Yeah? So well, I'm

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married, so my favorite thing is
obviously faint how my wife. But beyond

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that, I I like, I
like building things, so I do.

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I haven't done it in a while
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couple of these job transition or the
transition up here and back to Richmond and

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all that. But I really like
woodworking, and I felt like some of

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the furniture we have, and I
have a couple of plans for our new

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place that I'm pretty excited about.
But I, you know, I like

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to build things. I also actually
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of the running community, and I'm
excited to again get back into that in

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Richmond. Richmond as a fairly vibrant
group set of groups really that do like

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run, you know, five k's
and ten k's and beyond. But beyond

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that you know, you can usually
on a weekend you can find us if

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and I like, you know,
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you know, any type of you
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in town. Uh. And you
know, we always we really like to

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travel, and so last year we
were able to go to Yellowstone. This

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year, We've got a couple of
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we're gonna be able to go to, but we're definitely in the works.

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Very cool. And we have two
cats. I have to give a plug

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from my my fur babies. And
the funniest part is I actually have applications

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named named after all three and my
my most popular open source project on GitHub

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has the most h has the most
s forks, and most stars. I

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named it for my wife, So
there you go. There you go.

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Wow. Yeah, Also being one
of the resources on the injeriks help docs,

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you know, that kind of helps
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it's still because I named it after
her, So there you go. Yep.

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Cool. Well, if people want
to connect with you online, where

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do they do that? Well,
you can definitely friend me on you know,

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Twitter, or I mean follow me
on Twitter, or you can look

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me up on LinkedIn. I also, if you just go to Andrew Evans

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dot b ev you can find pretty
much everything else. And I usually have

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links up there to the different places
I blog and communicate and everything sounds good.

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All right, well let's go ahead
and do some pics. Sure,

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Okay, So I think this is
like something fun that we were interested in

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what you're telling me, Okay,
yeah, so definitely. I haven't gotten

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to watch this yet, but I've
heard amazing things that the Card Show.

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Oh yeah on CVS. Yeah,
everybody, everybody's telling me that that it's

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it's awesome, So I definitely I
would have to make that one of them.

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have to tell you then that it's

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awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm getting as soon

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as you know, I've set it
up as soon as we move, you

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know, that's first thing I'm gonna
watch. But we also we're both my

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wife and I are both big fans
of the Expanse, so they're you know,

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working on season five, I think, coming up. So that's kind

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of exciting. Uh. And then
I guess, you know, I probably

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should have a lot more, but
I can't think of anything on the tip

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of my tongue right now. Yeah, it's funny because I was going to

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pick the expanse I've been watching the
fourth season? Is that the one that

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came out? Yeah, did you
read the books? I have read the

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books, so yeah, see,
so that's what that's what where I'm like,

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I'm in the they're in the queue
for me to read. But I've

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heard everyone tell me that, like, you should read those if you really

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like the show. So yeah,
I've I've definitely I've listened to the books

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on audible. Yeah, and so
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definitely good. And then I was
trying to think, oh, actually,

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it's kind of like off the wall
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as well, especially if you like
old man jokes. They're there because they

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make because the it's the two Danny
DeVito and and uh oh crap, I

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can't remember his name is now but
Danny Glover, they they're they're in the

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Yeah, they they get sucked into
the game and so but they get you

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know, they become like the younger
you know players. So there's all these

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jokes about how their hips are working
and that kind of stuff. Yeah,

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it look pretty funny. I saw
the last one where the teenagers get sucked

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in. Yeah, they're they're still
there, I think, I think all

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they all come back to but the
they swap, you know, like two

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people are away when the whole game
comes back online or whatever, so you

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know, they they don't come until
later. But but yeah, that was

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that was fun and it was a
it was a good family movie too nice.

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All right, Well, let's see
I was going to I was going

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to pick the Expanse. So I
don't know if I picked it on this

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show or not. So I'll just
throw out a couple of other ones.

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I've been listening to a book on
audible and it's by Patrick Rothfuss. It's

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called the Name of the Wind.
I'm actually reading the sequel to it,

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or listening to it on audible.
My brother told me to listen to it.

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And it's funny because I started it
like three times and I just couldn't

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get into it and then I don't
know what it was, but just I

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finally got past kind of the initial
deal and then it was like, oh

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wow, this is this is terrific. So anyway, I really enjoyed that,

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and uh yeah, so I'm going
to pick those books. I'm also

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working on the possibility of doing something
around a podcasting course, so if you're

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interested in that, go to devchat
dot tv slash workshops and you can check

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that out as well. Some folks
are asking me, how do you know,

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how do you do it? How
do you put it together? And

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that's something that I'm looking at,
So yeah, we'll pull that together as

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well. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'll definitely check it out. Yeah

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all right, Andrew, Well,
thank you for coming and talking to me

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for a half hour. Sure,
yeah, no, anytime. I appreciate

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you bringing back on the show.
I am I Yeah, I'm a I'm

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a fan. I definitely follow follow
your You do a really awesome job with

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your podcast. Oh thanks, I
appreciate it. All right, we'll go

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ahead and wrap this one up.
It was super fun talking to you.

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Yeah, I enjoyed it. Look
look forward to maybe talking to you again

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