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Calling All Beings. Y'all, welcome
back to Calling All Beings. I'm your

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host DJ along with my brother Money
Nate. What's going on, brother,

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what's up? DJ Man? Good
to see you. Man. It's about

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to get crazy up in here because
we are going to have on the executive

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producer of the Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch
on History Channel. This brother's got an

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emmy. I can't believe it.
Wait, did you say he's got he's

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got an emmy? That's not quite
right. I don't think what. No,

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it's it's two. He has two
two? Okay, it's sure.

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It's positive too. It's Utah Utah. I want two of those meatbaf sandwiches

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Utah bring me to so check it
out. Man, I'm so excited to

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have this guy tonight. You guys
are gonna be really excited because his beard

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looks awesome, his hair looks awesome. Without coughing sans quoff, guy already

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looks phenomenal. He's brought a great
energy backstage already. Side know what he's

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about to bring with you, So
party people, put your hands together for

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New York's own mister TJ. Hour, Amen, I've never had a welcome

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like this before. That's amazing.
Yes, TJ. Aler you guys,

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dude me here. It was an
honor. I'm sorry, go ahead,

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brother, it's awesome. No,
that's awesome. It was an honor and

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a pleasure. Man. We've been
working this for a while. Obviously you

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had some some difficult situations with the
family. You have our love and respect

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for that. Thank you. We're
with you, and and we're here to

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try to cheer you up. And
we don't have to cheer your hair up.

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That's clear the beer, so yes, look at that. He knows

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what the people want to give it. This is entertainment, give the people,

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all right. So we brought a
party of five on to talk with

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you about the ranch, about your
journey as as an executive producer and creating

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content. Uh. It was very
interesting to hear you talk about speaking with

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studios and what sells and what doesn't
sell. That was interesting for those of

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us that are lay persons. Uh. And and we will get serious here.

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I might even take off my glass. Whoa, Yes, it can

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happen. I feel like I need
to change my lighting. I forgot to

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put the powder. Yeah, you
gotta know, TJ. I was just

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a little bit yeah, I was
gonna go to hair and makeup and just

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by the time I left work,
it just didn't happen. So yeah,

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okay, anyway, he took that
seriously he thinks I did. Yeah,

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yeah, all right. So hey, listen, you never know you like

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some hardcore production value behind stuff,
you know, you never know that's because

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it that's because of this guy right
here. I'm pointing over Peter Brady in

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the cube next to me. So
uh no, he's made it. He's

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made this this thing look professional and
phenomenal, and it's not just me wailing

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away in audio. So thank you, Nathan. Nathan, you got the

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first question from my brother TJ Allen, my brother who's doing that thing about

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skin walk range. Yes, yes, so TJ, you've been in this

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business for about twenty years, is
that right? Yep? And I doubt

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there's any kind of like conventional journey
for someone who's in this industry. But

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you know, how would you characterize
the path that got you to where you

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are right now? Is it what
you expected or what kind of crazy turn?

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A little bit man, not even
a little bit. I actually started

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off as a video game designer for
U Wow. I worked on the very

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first Batman animated series game for the
Xbox GameCube and the Nintendo sixty four.

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Dating myself back in the nineties when
we used to design games. Back then,

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we were programmers. I wasn't a
coder that we designed. So it

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was a it was called Team Gotham, right, so you'd be soft hired

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a bunch of designers in New York. I just happened to be one of

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them. I left McKinsey and Company. I started off at McKinsey and Company

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is in an endless training in the
training program, and it just wasn't for

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me at the time. I was, you know, young, and so

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I got an opportunity to design games
and we made them with graph paper,

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legos and whiteboard. What that's how
we designed them, not kidding. The

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level design was all done like that
on twenty fifth Street between fifth and sixth

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I think it was, yeah,
fIF Is that just story boarding? Is

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that a form? Storyboarding was actuals
No, We literally designed games the gameplay,

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and then we'd have to pass it
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would put everything into the engine and
it was running. That game was running

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on the old ub Soft engine that
ran Rayman, which was their big platform,

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right, was the Ubi Soft.
It was like the French Mario.

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So you do you consider yourself a
gamer at all? So still I still

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uh as I as I have my
controls. That's keeping it real, folks.

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Yes, I have a nine year
old and we played Minecraft a lot,

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nice and we also start playing We've
been playing Fortnite more and more.

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I'm not I don't really like playing
the shooters with him yet a little young,

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but I'll let him play with me, right, But then you trash

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talk your nine year old TJ.
No, God, no, listen.

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I can do with my boys all
the time. Man, you gotta put

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them in their place, old gamer
man, I didn't know that time of

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game or two. So my guys
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Minecraft and they, I mean they'll
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switch and all that kind of stuff. Okay, yeah, I mean I'm

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from a different era of gaming,
like we used to. You know,

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I used to go to land parties
and you know, there'd be fights would

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break out, people would throw cans
of mountain do at each other. You

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know, if there's a mountain dew
reference coming, I knew it. Yeah,

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But Uh, I mean, I
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at as a game designer, and
then after that I helped launch game Loft,

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which was a gaming which is now
a huge game uh maybe a publisher

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for mobile games. They're part of
Ubisoft, so there's Ubisoft, and then

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gime O is their hardware, and
then game Loft, which was initially their

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online component, became their mobile component. But when I was there, it

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was an online company and I was
a US content manager and we did I

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started to do game broadcasting before it
was a thing, and uh, it

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was around the you know, the
dot com bust happened, and then I

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said, you know, I came
to New York City to be to work

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in entertainment, and it was kind
of working in entertainment, but after the

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dot com bust and nine to eleven
happened, I lost my apartment. I

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lived three blocks from the towers at
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you know what, I was done
with the gaming and I was like,

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listen, I came here. I
had a reason. And then I just

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started. I got a bar hunting
job, started the auditioning and you know,

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off of the races, performing an
entertainer, first as an actor,

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prior to getting into production. Yeah, so I learned, you know.

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I mean, it's funny. New
York was such a different place back then.

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I used to perform upright, So
the Stins Brigade Theater, it was

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prov comedy nice place. And Amy
Poehler was my first, one of my

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first coaches. She wasn't famous at
the time. She wasn't famous. It's

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like all four of the UCB the
used to be four were all my coaches

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at one point. Amazing, and
there was only probably like two or three

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hundred people maybe in the whole theater
at the time. And it was like

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a big you know, like it
was a really close community, right,

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And I was performing, you know, four or five nights a week at

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dive bars and wherever you could,
and at the theater under Gristiti's basement on

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twenty seventh and ninth or eighth.
There was a grocery store there and that

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was original, right, Okay,
yeah, yeah, it was. It

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was. It wasn't the original UCB
place, but it was the one that

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it was the one that I performed
at most of the time. And uh

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and then yeah, and then a
lot of the people that I kind of

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came up with UCP just blew up. And then all these people they all

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went west, uh, and they
all, like a lot of them became

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you know famous, Like I came
up with a lot of people who ended

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up being really successful amazing. Uh. And yeah, by the way,

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it's all relative, right, It's
all relative, not Amy Poehler. But

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yeah. And then then I realized, you know, after auditioning so often

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and performing and you know, it
had some shows like as a correspondent in

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celebrity interviews blah blah blah that stuff. And then I got into like commercial

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production, realizing the money is behind
the camera. Uh. And it's a

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much You're a little bit more in
control of your fate that way. Yeah,

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it's a little bit more stable.
And I really tried like how do

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you make your own vehicle? Uh, you know, how do how do

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you kind of get something going?
And I tried it from the outside and

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it didn't work so well. And
then I took a job at NBC at

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thirty Rock for a while, and
I was like, you know, I'm

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gonna try this from the inside,
and you know, I did pretty well

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with it there. But then eventually
I you know, you can only get

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so far internally I learned, and
I would have known unless I did it

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right. And so then I decided
to kind of go out, you know,

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do my own thing again. But
now I have some production skill or

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production background and credits under my belt. And I started pitching shows with Joel

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Patterson, who is my producing partner. He and I went to college together

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at Upstate New York at Hartwick Hartwick
College. Brother, we're New York brothers.

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You know that man, Yes,
yes, peak skill? Yeah,

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right, Well this is so this
is an oneata right where Heartwick is.

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And you know it's funny because at
the time and this always kills me.

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So Joel Joel trade accounting cars,
right, and you realize how small?

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Yeah, and it's long running and
he's well and uh, you know,

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because of him, a lot of
doors had gotten opened for us to hear,

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you know, for pictures to be
heard, and and uh what was

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funny though? And I found out
later. So while I was at Heartwick

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with Joel, there's another guy named
there named Curtis Wyinn. In Curtis,

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I ended up performing you see U
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early two thousands. Curtis was the
showrunner and execut coep on Stranger Things for

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the last two seasons. So it's
like what I mean, right, and

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he wasn't So it's awesome, man. Yeah. So, I mean it's

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a really small it's such a small
community. It really is in entertainment,

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and uh, you know, I've
just been lucky that I've had some longevity

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and I've been able to kind of
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is a war of attrition. Like
the only people that I know it's it's

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it's the ones that stay in are
the ones that succeed. Uh that's in

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front of it, behind the camera. It's as long as you can you

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know, it's those overnight successes are
twenty years in the making, and it's

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hard. You know a lot of
people, like kids right now, they

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don't kind of get that this this
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Yeah. Yeah. If it doesn't
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I've heard. I've heard some of
these kids like get discouraged after like a

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few weeks. It's crazy. I
only got like a couple hundred hits.

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Yeah wow right. Yeah. So
but as you can you can see,

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as you can see, TJ,
you are successful because one of the good

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things is that success is only measured
with our own ruler. There's no other

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person's ruler that counts. And where
you came from from, you know,

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uh, being in that apartment and
to where you are now. I mean

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obviously, uh, you've made tremendous
success. You know, my success is

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measured by my ruler. I don't
care what somebody else did, who their

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ruler says that they're more successful,
are they? I don't know, maybe

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maybe not? Yeah, So I
mean I try not to look like you

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know, you you can drive yourself
crazy, and especially in entertainment and uh,

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you know, just for those who
are so I'm trying to read the

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tea leaves. So TV is dying. I mean, it's all It's kind

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of obvious. And so I have
taken to this and that's why I like,

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I will do every show that I
can. I want to meet as

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many people, talk to as many
people. Special is that you are for

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today, Yes, yes, beautiful
unique snowflake'll be the But I try to.

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I try to just reach out and
you know, make myself as available

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as I can. I'm not done
yet, I don't feel. At the

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same time, I'm also getting a
master's degree in data science. So I'm

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trying to continue the lifelong education stuff
and see how I can leverage that in

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television. And I just there's a
lot happening, and it's it's this is

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this is the next. You know, well, it's not the next,

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it's here. But there's got to
be a transition from the TV world,

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like to merge the two. Nobody
knows it yet and I'm I'm put myself

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out there trying to figure it out. I think one of the best things

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that I can do is the reach. You know, it's and it's not

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it's I. You know, as
you can see my twenty years to do

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what I'm doing. It's like it's
baby steps, right. You have to

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put in the work, put in
the time, and you know, I

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will talk to everyone I can and
kind of make make because I make itself

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available to try to hear more stories
and this is this didn't exist years ago.

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There were gatekeepers at every network,
uh, and so it was very

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hard to find talent and or stories. And so now it's like, wait

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a minute, if I just open
up my DMS and talk, people will

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Okay, fine. You know,
it's like casting a wider net. You

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know, yes, and it's were
of the same feeling as you do that

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we want to just talk to a
lot of people. People that have an

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interesting thought or a positive vibe.
We want to talk to them. We

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don't care if they have seven Twitter
followers, seven hundred or seven thousand,

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and so we're we actually have the
same theory on our show or the same

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guiding principle. No, I mean
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misconception. You know, those people in

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TV, they all make tons of
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make the real money the one's online. To be honest, I know because

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I know the budgets and I see
it and you'd be very surprised. But

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these this is the way and I'm
hoping that, you know, like when

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we did the Twitter space, right, I never know how big those things.

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Sometimes they get huge, like thousands
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and it doesn't matter. I'm just
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I love listening to what people have
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I don't judge anyone. I don't
That's not what I'm into this for.

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I am a conduit for I give
people access, right, So I am

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not the one looking for the unknown
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for people that are or looking for
people that are doing interesting things. And

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I at least hear it and say, hmm, now can I take that

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and put that in a way to
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bigger platform. Yeah, you're you
have a very unique ethos, Like would

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you how would you characterize your approach
and mentality versus your colleagues in the industry.

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You feel kind of like unique to
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I get a lot of I don't
know a lot of whys. You

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know some what you find happen is
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generalize right when I talk, but
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is the many people in entertainment.
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anything else. It's such a bubble, and you think that the entire world

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revolves around everything you're doing, and
you don't ever get to see anything on

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the outside. I don't want to
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developing shows, you're pitching to people
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you know, not to putting one
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and they need a bigger return,
right, so what your job is is

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to provide them with the easiest win
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they so there's a lot less talk
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out mandates that are saying we're looking
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then producers, you know. I
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everywhere. So and a good example
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York Times or something. It was
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talking about people who were moving houses
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like that. Right, it was
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Wow. And it was in the
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in Sunday Morning, you know or
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immediately start tracking down, you know, doing my osan investigations, trying to

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find who the sources are Bam,
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it was like, you know,
blah blah blah. We're talking and she's

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like, you know, you're like
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I'm like, man, that means
that seventeen other people got to you

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before me. Incredible and so yeah. But the way that I see it

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now, you know, people don't
want to look like I'm looking I you

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know, I pound the pavement right
you. At a certain level, people

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just feel like they'll just come People
just come to me, you know,

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they'll just find me. But they
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don't. And I'm not at the
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make a show yet. Someday maybe
I'll have that ability, but right now,

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you know, I'm just I have
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is different. It is. I
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not like I'm saying I'm a you
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feel like people have elements that are
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I don't know anyone else who's doing
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I know it's a long winded answer
to your question. That's awesome. Love

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to hear it. So when you
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you move back, you move back
to Buffalo, and you go and get

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your master's degree. And that's how
you're like outside the bubble and you're able

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to connect with real life. It
is, it is, and I mean

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this is. I live in Orchard
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four miles away from the stadium,
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it's a different world here. After
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New York, which isn't Western New
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York so long, it's the same
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blinders on, right, and you
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of New York is like diet life. I used to call it. It

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wasn't really life, but it was. And now that I'm out outside of

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really where I live, there's a
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knew, I mean, tens of
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wouldn't know where they're from. And
so it proves that you can do it

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anywhere. Nowadays, it's just trying
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again, I'm kind of just going
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want to be as open as I
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out and listen. This has been
I've already I've pitched so many things that

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I've already heard from reaching out like
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I will take you and present it
and if it doesn't work, hey,

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good luck, try another way.
I give it. I can give it

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my swing. But that's that's kind
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and that and for that, I'm
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that you are so grounded and uh, and that you you do take that

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approach and value real life more so
than somebody who wants to be cocooned and

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and just live in that bubble.
So yeah, yeah, we're even we're

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even more honored than we already were
if you had let's bring on our home

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deb at a study of UAPs our
his his contextualizer and researcher. Hi there,

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No, I was very happy to
see you here today. So we

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were talking a little bit about some
of the hard work that you've gone through,

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and I have a question that has
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And you might say that you went
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the ranch, and yes, I'm
switching to the ranch. You had a

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sensory experience and I personally would like
to know more about that experience. I'd

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like to know what you think the
catalyst was for that experience, how it

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ultimately ended, how long it took
to end. And I have a little

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curiosity if you've ever tried to find
out a little bit more about what it

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was you were hearing during that sensory
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I just I want to go ahead, DJ, were you doing this?

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Because that was one love to dab
for a great question. Oh awesome,

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Okay, So I should clear So
I haven't been out to the ranch since

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probably two years. I don't go
I'm not out there on a day to

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day. Uh So, just to
kind of clarify, like, I'm not

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like this is Prometheus's gig. Prometheus
is the production company. Those are the

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guys that are out there in the
field. They're putting it together. They're

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kicking you know, kicking butt with
it. But I can you know from

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my experiences out there, they happened
each and every time I was there,

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it happened, which was multiple I
mean I don't I mean I was probably

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there a dozen times, maybe I
give or take. I just don't remember

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because we'd stay in a hotel and
then you're going back and forth all the

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time. So I mean multiple occasions. And uh so it happened the first

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even the first time I was out
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you get the little bit of dizzy
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So I should also let me back
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Travis Taylor role, I was the
guy who's playing that role in the pitch

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in the initial presentation reel to the
networks, and it was. It was

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mainly because they Okay, I tracked
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interest, had experience on camera off
camera, I was into tech, and

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it was a good enough it was
a good enough fit to put it together.

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Once it gets to the network,
it's rightfully so you know, they

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want to add they want someone with
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the good on them. They did
a great choice, perfect selection. Uh

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the but so there's even video of
me like having some of these episodes.

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There was one we're digging and my
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have risk the monitors on and Eric
Bard Eric Grasby like literally takes me out

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of a hole and puts me up
against one of the those little pope they

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used to call them popemobiles, you
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yeah, and we're you know,
he's checking my pulse and stuff and

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it's through the roof and there's no
rhyme or reason. I'm pretty healthy guy.

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I don't have any you know,
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the first one, you know, breaking

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out in sweat and whatever. And
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strangely enough, and it made the
first episode too. That was my cell

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phone. So my cell phone dies
out there immediately, just it bricks and

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I'm trapped, you know, Like, so I'm out there with Joel and

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it's like, I have so much
stuff on my phone, my productions stuff,

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everything, and luckily I have it
synked and so I could use my

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PC later. But uh, my
phone gets pricked and it was a new

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phone at the time. You couldn't
figure it out. Done. No,

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that's just done. Done and Eric
and so so much so that I was

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like, here, Eric, keep
it, and that's what and that's why

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it was in the first episode.
On the table, you'll see he's got

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a couple of phones and I'm like, there's this my phone crazy and he

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sent me he sent me this shot
like he eventually gets it booted back up

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and everything. It's just toasted.
He took you know, part of it

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was fried and there was a crazy
image on it that we couldn't figure out.

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I gotta see if I can get
that. And I think it felt

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like it was. It wasn't like
a skim walk. I don't think I

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didn't agree with the ranch. I
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or something that maybe I had,
or or the operating system or some update

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that something got pushed. But it
was just funny. That was years later,

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or that was you know, yeah, over a year later. But

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so the phone bricks and it just
kept things just kept getting weirder and weirder,

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and I wasn't having I was getting
a little ear ringing and I had

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one I remember one night having the
smells, getting the sulfur smells out there,

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but I didn't I wasn't hearing the
music or anything, and it would

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all and when I would leave,
it would go away. When I would

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leave the ranch, like to go
to the hotel, it's gone. Then

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the one of the last days on
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one of the last days to hit
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that stayed with me. It stayed
with me from my next couple of visits

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months in you know, between time
and then that's the same time, like

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I think the second time I had
that, and then I also had I

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was starting to have respiratory issues that
just wouldn't go away. And that lasted

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like a good nine months. So
multiple visits back and forth, and I'm

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going back, and you know,
I'm in New York City at the time,

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you know, me and my wife, uh yeah, and my son

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at the time, and you know, I was just sick going to the

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doctor. They couldn't figure it out. And I've told the story a few

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times already, so you know,
they do blood tests and stuff, and

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I don't have the technical terms for
it, but when they take your blood,

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different parts of the country can run
different kinds of tests. I want

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to say, it's something like the
palette, right, like maybe the testing

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palette or so to speak, and
they can run tests for certain certain things.

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Right. My doctor was you know, she went as far as using

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the word alien, not meaning alien
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we don't know what this could be, right, And because it's just

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coming kept coming back, they don't
know. But I'm clearly my lung.

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I was having swelling in my you
know, respiratory swelling. I don't know

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if it esophagus, whatever the hell
it was. They put me in an

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iron lung head me breathing and all
this other stuff, and just couldn't get

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to the bottom of it. And
but you know, she was saying,

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like, maybe if I got blood
work done out there next time I had

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gone that they could determine what it
is. Maybe they're test they could test

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for something that is localized to that
area. And I'm just I was trying

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to stay grounded, like in you
know reality, right, I was trying

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not to go to the woo woo. I was just trying to say,

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Okay, you know, it's not
wu it's maybe it's something in the soil.

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Maybe it's I'm allergic to something could
be in the tree bark, who

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else. And just never got to
the bottom of it. But during that

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time, the heat ringing on multiple, multiple, multiple occasions, it turned

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into music, and I just wish
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my phone or something, but it
turned into I just kept calling it old

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timey music. And you know,
I picture like old timey music, like

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like a cheesy uh you know,
the Western movie, and you know,

407
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and it's like in spaghetti Western,
yes, and atoon is on the ground

408
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.799
and you walk in and it's like
somebody playing the crank, the little cranky

409
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.240
thing, and that's where the music
is coming from. Wow, that's that's

410
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:17.519
the kind of music I was hearing. And my wife, you know,

411
00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:22.200
it scared her. Because she The
one instance I have burned in my memory

412
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.599
is like I'm my head. I
got my ear put on the ground on

413
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.519
the stairwell going upstairs because I hearing
it in and it felt like, I'm

414
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:32.599
like, where the hell is this
coming from? And I kept thinking it's

415
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.440
coming from the walls, like the
matrix. Something isn't the walls? Wait,

416
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:41.880
we can doo wo. And then
there's like Eli Wallack and Clin Eastwood

417
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:48.799
and they're kind of like the honey, get over there, what is this?

418
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:52.599
And I scared her though, man, I scared her wild and so

419
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:56.359
but I could never figure out what
it was. And then I think after

420
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.160
my last time, when the last
time out there, when we finally went

421
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:04.079
and signed everything, and and uh, I feel like that was the last

422
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:07.839
I went home and it was gone. I hadn't heard it anymore. Eric.

423
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.839
Eric kept telling me, you know, I had I had a hitchhiker.

424
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:17.079
I don't know what to make of
that. I don't claimant to know

425
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.960
any of it. Uh, something's
going on, right, I just don't

426
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.079
know what it is. But uh, yeah, that's my experience, that's

427
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.359
my audit, my centory one.
I guess, Well, thank you so

428
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:32.880
much for sharing all that I wasn't
dodging. Is there anything else like I've

429
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.200
got? I've got I wanted.
What I want you to do, TJ,

430
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:40.319
is to take us inside the rental
car. You've left the hotel.

431
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.920
Okay, you're driving to the ranch. Okay, we arrived at the ranch.

432
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:49.240
And as you're getting ready to turn
the car into the ranch. Is

433
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:56.039
there a feeling that you get or
is it just I just pulled into Dristiiti's

434
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.599
garage? No, I what do
you feel the first time? The first

435
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.119
time, I was scared to death? All right, I was super scared.

436
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.519
And the signs and stuff that you
see now they're not there, the

437
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.000
well, the ones that I have
photos of of me first getting there,

438
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.680
and like Jim Jim and this woman
Michelle, they were kind of escorting me,

439
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.839
Me and Joel taking us on and
uh, it was yeah, it

440
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:26.319
was this. It was more excitement
and fear and the But after that time,

441
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.599
because I realized the first time,
what I'm sort of trying to get

442
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.160
at is what you felt when you're
like, Okay, I'm going back.

443
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.720
It's another day of shooting, and
and and now that you know what to

444
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:41.200
expect, how do you Oh,
so yeah, uh, there's that when

445
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.799
that first episode they were saying shields
up right where they were talking about like

446
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:49.359
like that trekism sort of. And
so they gave me a power stone.

447
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.519
They gave me this big stone that
I kept in my my I had my

448
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.599
cargo shorts on and uh, I
had this big stone in my pocket.

449
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.319
They were like, they call it
a powerstone and that was supposed to ward

450
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.720
things off. And I got it
had been successful. I guess, you

451
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.519
know, the first few times I
was there, or the first few days,

452
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.759
because it really didn't hit. It
wasn't like a I can't yeah,

453
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.079
I can't even remember. It was
the first two or three days. I

454
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.880
think that stone. I guess I
remember saying that the stone must have worked,

455
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.160
and I feel like at a certain
point it stopped. And again I'm

456
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.319
just I don't know. I'm just
you try to be respectful for people.

457
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.720
If they're putting faith into something like
that, then who am I to discount

458
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.880
it? Uh? You know,
listen, if it works, then that's

459
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.039
awesome. If it doesn't, that's
fine too. I got a rock in

460
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.599
my pocket, okay, but like
whatever, So, but it was it

461
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.039
was scary to go back and Joel. He didn't. He didn't have any

462
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.880
issues at all. We did have
a lot of tech issues though. But

463
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.720
you're scared. You're kind of hyper
aware of stuff. Uh. And then

464
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:59.359
you you know, you see things, you see things in your your mind

465
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.799
playing tricks on you. Is it
not? Am I? Am I really

466
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.279
seeing that? Did that really happen? Then you you know, you're always

467
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.039
asking like did you guys see that? Did you see that? Uh?

468
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.079
And then I had got out with
Caleb for a long time alone, the

469
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.039
two of us just like driving around
the property and stuff, and he's all

470
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.200
crazy stuff. Man, I'm not
gonna lie, but he's just like you're

471
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.079
I was gonna ask you if if
it's your attitude that prevents you from being

472
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.000
fearful, but I do, I
do need to get a Kashi Chris on

473
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.799
here. But if it is,
it, is it your approach? Because

474
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.319
people talk about what you bring to
the ranch is what it's going to reflect

475
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.680
back on you. So if you're
bringing in aggressive attitude, if you're bringing

476
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:41.960
weaponry, is your approach? Is
that causal in the fact that you don't

477
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:47.000
feel threatened at all times? Or
I don't know, Uh, I don't

478
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:48.799
know. I can only go by
with the you know, with everyone else

479
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:53.880
is like a body of experiences or
you know, the numerous experiences. What

480
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:56.559
everyone is saying is, you know, this is kind of the way it

481
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:02.680
works for me. Maybe And I
never felt threatened or anything. It's uh,

482
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:06.440
you know, I think it one
of the conversations does Eric. He's

483
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:07.519
like, well, listen, maybe
it liked you just wanted to go home

484
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:12.359
with you, maybe felt like by
And it was like he show'm the spirits.

485
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.920
They want to go back to Motel
six or Hampton and wherever. He's

486
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:20.759
saying, I think it was the
Winterton Sweets. Actually I think it was.

487
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.880
It was Tom Winterton Sweet Spirits.
Next time he's there. He just

488
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.400
asked to front desk clerk, He'll
tell you, Akasha Chris. Yeah,

489
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.839
let's get her on here. Dad, Thank you so much, Thank you,

490
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:37.519
love I Goussie. Where's that name
come from? Akashi Chris? Why

491
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.960
do I know that my name is
Chris? And but it gets better than

492
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:51.039
that. I'm actually obsessed with the
acacak Field and akashak records and the ability

493
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.160
to you know, use your mind
and you know, really hook up to

494
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:59.279
the network that lies within, you
know, and and this is a huge

495
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:04.240
puzzle. So and I'm like,
there's gotta be something that creative intelligence of

496
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.960
the universe sitting right there. And
it's like some people learn how to write

497
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.400
it and some don't. So that's
where I got the Chris. I thought

498
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:19.640
it'd be like christ the label to
put out Motley Cruz Records, but it's

499
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.839
a commonsconception, same movely group.
And yes, for anybody looking, yes,

500
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.920
that is Travis Taylor behind me,
because I'm a super fan girl of

501
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.799
the show, TJ. It is
is definitely a pleasure talking to you.

502
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:37.160
So I do have I have some
questions. I have something specific based on

503
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.359
your experience. So in looking at
like going back to season one, I've

504
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:45.079
watched them multiple times, So going
back to season one again and there's so

505
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:49.079
much focus and and this flows perfect
to the previous conversation, so much focus

506
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:53.799
on the equipment and the failures and
and I wasn't sure how much. I

507
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.920
mean, obviously it's a production and
you're you know, you have to you

508
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.920
know, shows really cool. I
can't belie believe that that bricked phone was

509
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:08.519
yours. That's crazy. So as
as a producer, and what percentage of

510
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:17.480
your efforts do you think we're we're
hurt or halted or somewhat distracted by the

511
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:22.800
phenomenon because that that I think you
were in a living lab under conditions that

512
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.840
might not want you to find out. So can you tell me a little

513
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.719
bit about that? Sure, I
don't know if I give you a percentage,

514
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.039
you know, yeah, yeah,
no, no, no, I

515
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.320
don't. I'm just trying to be
like transparents. I can with stuff like

516
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.559
I'll answer all this the best I
can be. The equipment thing is you

517
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:45.400
always bring backups upon backups, right, so you usually you don't you don't

518
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:46.199
miss a shot? You don't.
I mean, well, no, you

519
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.039
can miss it in the moment.
But I mean if if your if your

520
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:52.920
plan is we're going to do an
aerial shot of this of you know,

521
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:58.360
fly over the ranch with a drone. I keep it in my own microphone

522
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.239
about that. I'm trying to set
up love it man, Like here,

523
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.559
you're as cool as the other side
of the pillow. TJ. Continue please

524
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.280
the uh the uh. If you're
trying to get a shot like that,

525
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.840
or like you know, you got
something slated to do, you're gonna get

526
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:16.440
it one way or another. If
if it doesn't work, that day,

527
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.159
maybe it's the next day. It's
if it's something like that. So you're

528
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.360
gonna get the stuff done, but
it's definitely a pain in the butt.

529
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:27.400
Like I had one of our dj
I the Phantom two pro. I think

530
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.880
it was at the time, the
Big White one sounds like beasts, you

531
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:32.800
know when they when it flies.
Uh. Thing fell out of the sky,

532
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.079
like literally the sky, just like
you saw in front of Homestead too.

533
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.119
How it would lose. The difference
was it was in the air when

534
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:45.440
it happened. It just uh.
And at that time, the guy who

535
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:53.840
was shooting with us, he was
uh. He works on the Expedition Expedition

536
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.559
Unknown, the one with Josh Ja. Yeah, so Evan Stone, his

537
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:04.119
name is, he's awesome DP.
He travels the world and he's like,

538
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.840
listen, guys, I've never seen
it, Like he's been everywhere he's seen,

539
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.480
right with Josh Gates has been everywhere. So yeah, and it's like,

540
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:14.760
dude, yeah, I don't know, he goes it does this stuff

541
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.679
does happen in these certain locations around
the world, So I don't know if

542
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.440
there's anything gets actually missed. Stuff
gets lost though, And so that's funny.

543
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.199
One of the first times we were
out there, Brandon. The first

544
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.760
day we shot, we were doing
some shots me and just me and Joel.

545
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:32.079
This is the first trip we took
out there, first time I met

546
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:37.760
them in real life after tracking them
down for over a year. The uh

547
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.679
when we left and we went back
to the hotel that night, and you

548
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.000
check all your footage and you you
know, okay, let me step back.

549
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:50.000
Footage doesn't exist unless it exists in
two places, right, doesn't matter.

550
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.760
You can have a cop. If
you don't have a copy of something,

551
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.000
you might as well not have it
because if that copy gets lost,

552
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:58.000
then it's useless. So when you
bring it back, you know, you

553
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.719
dump. It's called dumping your footage, right, You dump your footage and

554
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.159
you make a copy of it.
And so after you make your copy,

555
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.039
you check everything. And Brandon was
like, I'm gonna be curious to see

556
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.559
if you guys got any got all
the stuff we shot, and there was

557
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:14.840
some corrupted stuff we missed. One
interview we lost a lot of and it

558
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.280
kept going in out of focus,
which was weird because it was a manual

559
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:21.960
focus, so it shouldn't happened.
But when we told him, yeah,

560
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:22.360
we got most of it, he's
like, you know, well that's a

561
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.679
first he goes, and you guys
are the chosen ones, he said,

562
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:28.960
because most people don't get any footage
off the ranch. It just doesn't come

563
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:34.760
off like wow. So that was
cool wow. Not that anyone was out

564
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:36.960
there under the production companies were out
there trying to shoot it. He's just

565
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.800
saying, historically speaking, nobody gets
gets any shots off the ranch. And

566
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.519
yeah, that's exactly what I was
wondering, because it seemed like that there's

567
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:51.599
something trying to stop you know,
it's a combination of factors, right,

568
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:54.480
but there's obviously something trying to stop
you. And I would think that that

569
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:59.760
would cause some major headaches from a
production perspective, because you always have to

570
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.119
play two or three times for something
that other people don't have to be challenged.

571
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:06.920
It's true. It's so true,
like brute force. Right, maybe

572
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.400
maybe you can't stop brute force.
Maybe you can stop water or two cameras,

573
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.119
but if you have a dozen,
it's like, all right, I

574
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.079
can't stop all of them, so
one of them is going to catch it

575
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.480
or maybe many questions, but I
know we're running out of time, so

576
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.000
I'm gonna turn it back to them. But I just wanted to thank you

577
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:22.960
so much, TJ. Because in
a quessure, hopefully we can have you

578
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:28.039
back because they have more questions.
There's gonna be a lot we have to

579
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:34.840
have part too. Give it back
to you. Thanks guys, ma'am.

580
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.360
Let's bring on flair and he has
a question. He has he has some

581
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:43.679
serious questions for TJ. Here serious
guys. Hold on. Yeah, let's

582
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:45.760
okay. Oh man, let's get
prepared. Can you handle it? Okay,

583
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:52.719
we'll do this. Here, we'll
do pearls. Go all right to

584
00:38:53.360 --> 00:39:00.599
your your your sensory experience. Actually
switch gears back to that. I got

585
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.440
some questions, so yeah, I
might I might know what have what might

586
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.079
have happened to you? You know? And I need need some more answers

587
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:13.679
first, Like when they're screaming for
allergies, did they check like for like

588
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:19.920
polling, I imagine watermelons, silver
nitrate? Did they screaming for that?

589
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:28.119
Maybe? Oh god, I don't
know that. It's pretty important. Why

590
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:34.280
wait? Why? Why? Why? Well? Just part of my theory,

591
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:38.440
you know, we come back to
that. That's a good beard.

592
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:44.639
You've got a nice beard, actually
very nice. When I grow fast,

593
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.039
I better know it's pretty fast,
right. If I didn't, if I

594
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:53.360
went two days with your condition in
the flesh right now, I got your

595
00:39:53.440 --> 00:40:05.880
now rates right. I wanted to
start with us. Oh last mess that

596
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:14.199
up? Who is your dad?
What you doing? Yeah? Okay,

597
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:15.719
I love it. Sound board man, I miss that. Those are the

598
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:22.079
Internet dates. Good good times.
All right. So, on the night

599
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:28.039
of November nineteenth, twenty twenty one
m which was the beaver moon, the

600
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.719
last full moon, I didn't name
it that, did you experience any excessive

601
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:38.679
hair growth? Oh? My god, I don't know. I don't know.

602
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:45.360
I always have excessive hair grow.
Interesting, I should write that down,

603
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:57.519
dude. How about itching? Probably? Yeah, strange behavior like drinking

604
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:05.360
out of toilet or anything. You're
like that that this is positive the yeah?

605
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.519
Yeah. Is it a TikTok thing? Now? People make stuff in

606
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:12.840
toilets and then they eat it.
It could be it probably is a TikTok

607
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:17.639
thing. Yeah, yeah, I
think in TikTok. Yeah. Is that

608
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.559
what you watch now? No?
No, no, no no. If

609
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:22.920
I watch I would know that,
but I think i'd heard it somewhere.

610
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:29.599
It's okay. I will not judge
you. I will not I watch whatever

611
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:34.679
I can and I'm looking cool.
It's cool. So do you're like odd

612
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:39.199
taste, like trigger any hostility from
your co workers? I mean, you

613
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:46.599
know, the drinking from the toilets
and the the weird crashing. You better

614
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:52.960
get videos like the judge and a
few good men. We better get somewhere

615
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:59.440
counselor you're leaving like these little nuggets. Right, So I'm here when I'm

616
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.920
hearing like, so if you have
to be pretty crass to get this out.

617
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.559
But have you heard this? This
thing now they call it poop mask

618
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.159
in the office. Have you heard
of this? I guess it's a thing.

619
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.840
I haven't been to an office in
a while, right because I because

620
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.519
of COVID times and everything. But
somebody mentioned this and I had to go

621
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.960
and google it. I guess a
lot of HR departments and bigger companies.

622
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:24.400
You're not allowed to wear your mask
in the restroom if you're going to the

623
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:30.360
bathroom. I don't understand it because
it could get on your mask and pollute

624
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:37.039
your mask, and then you're spreading
that like, oh my god, so

625
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.239
we're talking about drinking out of the
toilet or something. It just kind of

626
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:44.519
triggered that. No, that's cool, man, I like I like where

627
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.360
this is going. Random info,
Yeah, random info. Okay, So

628
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:52.440
how about let's talk about favorite food, Like, how do you like your

629
00:42:52.480 --> 00:43:00.480
steak well done, rare, radioactive? I like it very rare, rare.

630
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.719
Okay, that's very interesting as well. That is that's interesting, Yes,

631
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:08.199
isn't it? I think if it's
any more, if it's well done,

632
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:15.400
it's it's like eating leather. I
have a predilection towards certain types of

633
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:22.719
protein, perhaps like lamb, maybe
love lamb. I think you better come

634
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.920
out with it, flair, because
I think I think all the signs are

635
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:35.760
there. He was how about licanthropy? Have you ever been diagnosed with that?

636
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.280
No? That's what my theory is
that. I think that you ever

637
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:45.639
reach for a milk bone? Sometimes
I do, don't. I have crazy

638
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.920
stories about that. I do.
Have a friend of mine when I was

639
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.039
a kid, his mom used to
give us milkbones and streets. And I

640
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:53.519
tell my son this and he calls, he calls bs. I me,

641
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:55.800
and then I'll take you have a
dog, I take a milk bone,

642
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.599
and I'll bite a milkbone, and
he'll dad, what are you doing?

643
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.159
No, it doesn't, you can
eat it. It's it's Okay, it's

644
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:07.000
almost like he's a prophet. Flair. You are a prophetic I say about

645
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:15.400
what. Yeah, you are the
secret of Skinwalker Ranch, aren't you?

646
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:22.920
He hasn't he believes Flair? Tell
him what what your theory is? Bro,

647
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:30.199
you are aware Wolf that you got
bit, you have some lost sweating,

648
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.599
all that stuff. Would you like
to respond to that? TJ.

649
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.880
I honestly be honest with us.
Listen, it could be. I can't

650
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:45.480
say no, it's definitely I can
see that now that you're saying, is

651
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.239
I'm having like that aha moment at
the end of the what was the Bruce

652
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:54.000
Willis movie where the kid so the
kid was dead? Yes, I'm having

653
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.800
I'm having that flashback all of a
Sudden'm like, oh my god, oh

654
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.519
my god, oh my god,
oh my god, all these things in

655
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.239
my head. Like you're right,
yeah, so I all I may have

656
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.320
solved it here, all right,
Chris, I mean I don't know what

657
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.360
to say now. I feel like
we might have answers. Now we've been

658
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:17.440
wondering what's going on in this ranch
and now I mean take over, Nathan.

659
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:22.079
I'm just were you there, were
you guys there, all of you

660
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:25.639
or when we were talking about the
and me. Somebody sent me something on

661
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:31.239
Twitter about the guy who claimed it, who claimed the skinwalker defense in court,

662
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.119
So there's a there's a real court
case about this. It was a

663
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:43.360
different Twitter space and where there's a
real life so there is a real component

664
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:45.639
to this game. I want to
bring her back here for that because she

665
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:52.159
knows about that. Come back here, you go ahead. Yeah, I

666
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.599
was just saying that. After we
talked about that a little bit, I

667
00:45:54.679 --> 00:46:01.119
found two cases about that, two
different cases about people from the Navajo claiming

668
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:07.599
that skinwalkers were part of the reason
for their crimes, right, and didn't

669
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:09.320
want to correct me if I'm wrong, But I thought the one guy,

670
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.480
the judge accepted that as a defense
at least in one right. Was it

671
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.960
a maybe it was a murder case, a brother killing a brother or something.

672
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:21.559
I don't remember the final verdict.
I just remembered that they considered it

673
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.840
at length and one was an uncle. One was an uncle that he said

674
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:29.239
he was scared of, and they
considered that at length and said this was

675
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:34.079
his belief. He was scared his
uncle was a skin walker. Yep.

676
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.519
Yeah, maybe maybe maybe it got
in. I don't know, man,

677
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:43.119
I get it there and no,
he you know, we just wanted to

678
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.400
come up with something, uh,
with some funnies, and thankfully Flair came

679
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:51.000
up with that and and it was
beautiful. Oh I know why you guys

680
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.199
were breaking my chops about him.
Something was going on, you know,

681
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:58.239
like no one's ever commented on that
before. But okay, I'll go with

682
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:01.920
it. Is what really threw me
for that. Yeah, you don't,

683
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:06.199
hey, guys, I think we
got to get to this because we want

684
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.719
to create an opportunity for TJ and
Brandon to make a significant amount of money

685
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.920
something that oh yeah, doesn't you
know. We're not interested, but we

686
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.920
want these guys to make a significant
amount of money. And Flair actually has

687
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.880
created the answer to that, and
he's giving it to you, t J.

688
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:28.000
I am yeah, Nathan, make
it happen. Man. All right,

689
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:35.760
So here we have player's own Skinwalker
Ranch dressing. And let me tell

690
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:40.679
you, yes, brilliantly, what
would you think of this? You think

691
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:44.280
I have a chance. I mean, I mean you have a chance.

692
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.880
You have a chance, you have
a chance. He just photo on there.

693
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:52.079
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I
love this, man, I love

694
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:57.280
this. That's your only product,
Flair, Do you have another one.

695
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.519
I have have it in two flavors. Actually, I up regular and radioactive.

696
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:10.239
So there you have it. Buttermilk, branch, buttermilk. I love

697
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.440
it, buttermilk. Yes, very
specific, and let us cut. Nobody

698
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:20.800
from this show has called the US
Patent Office or going on their website and

699
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.639
patented it. So it's for you
and Brandon make it happen. You know.

700
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.159
I feel like Brandon probably got that
locked up. I know he's got

701
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:32.239
the prede mark already on it.
Yeah, I know, television man,

702
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.280
that's great. I wish I had
a merchant sell merchandise and stuff like that.

703
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:42.000
Yeah. Just check. Go to
the US Patent Office website. You

704
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.519
can search and see if it's patented
and has to be salad dressing utility patents.

705
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:51.280
Yeah, put it on a T
shirt? A right, yeah,

706
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:57.199
thank you so much. All right, let's get Chris has something or Nathan

707
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.039
has something? Actually, yes,
okay, sure, yeah, Well Chris,

708
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.280
why don't you go go first and
then I'll go after you. Actually

709
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.039
I wanted so based on everything you've
been through and if you could put in

710
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:13.599
a nutshell, what has changed you
about this? What? What is the

711
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.480
one thing that in the core of
your soul? Has you know, has

712
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:21.719
this experience changed you? I think
it has based on how you talk and

713
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.960
what what is that you know,
what is so different about you because of

714
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.400
this God? That's a great question. No one's asked me that. So

715
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:37.559
what I think I have a new
appreciation for this. It's kind of it.

716
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:43.280
It opened my I guess it opened
my uh opened me up to the

717
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:50.280
idea of other stuff quote unquote right
stuff I think when I initially again,

718
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:52.960
okay, let me step back,
because most of the TV I'd done prior

719
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.719
to this was like real estate stuff
or home renovation shows and things like that.

720
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.360
So this was I was approaching this
as a television project, and I

721
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:07.320
didn't expect to have any any of
that, any any of the experiences that

722
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:13.159
I had. I was an outsider
when I had first started the research and

723
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:15.639
looking into us, being outside and
looking in. You know, I only

724
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:19.440
knew as much as everyone else about
the legend and lore and what I could

725
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.639
expect and what could or couldn't happen. I always believed, you know,

726
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:27.840
since I was young, my parents
would tell me, like I was very

727
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:32.280
like almost evangelizing about there's aliens,
there's aliens, there's aliens. There's life

728
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:35.679
off the planet, and they would
always tell me there's nothing there or you're

729
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.280
crazy, you're crazy, You're crazy, and it's like, well, now

730
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:40.239
I got a TV show about it, so ha. So the difference though,

731
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:45.480
is now it kind of validates it
somewhat, and they didn't go into

732
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:49.119
it thinking that it was going to
be what it is at all. I

733
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:54.280
pitched this as a is a paranormal
oak Island. That's how I pitched it.

734
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:58.719
Oak Island was my favorite chow I
wanted. I was frustrated with television

735
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:04.559
about these run experience or these these
short investigations about ghosts. Right two nights

736
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.880
at a haunted quote unquote haunted place, guy takes his shirt off, wants

737
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.320
to fight ghosts with crappy cameras.
I was like, that's not science.

738
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:14.880
There's nothing about that at all that's
interesting. But this is kind of the

739
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.440
way culture had gone, like we
want that, really, you know the

740
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.239
junk food I guess, so to
speak, how do you set up a

741
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:27.199
long term experiment with every device that
can measure something all the time and then

742
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:31.639
track the data right look at it? So I went into it with open

743
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:36.599
mind, but thinking this is a
great science project. Or great television concept.

744
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:38.800
But then when you get out there
and you have experiences, you're like,

745
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:47.000
holy, what like? And then
you can't tell people the yeah because

746
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.400
it's almost like, you know,
the veil had been pulled back, right.

747
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.079
So it's like, I don't know
how to describe any of it.

748
00:51:54.239 --> 00:52:00.280
I can't attribute it to anything,
and I don't and I purposely don't because

749
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.320
as soon as you say something that
attributes it to something that you're immediately labeled

750
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.719
as an X y Z, it
loses credibility in certain circles, no matter

751
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:13.119
what circles those are. And it's
like a big not in our circles.

752
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.400
Well, no, not in our
circles, right and I and I'm gathering

753
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:21.480
that more and more from people out
online, but it's still I have to

754
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.760
I walk a fine line between I
have to mark. I have to present

755
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:30.639
stuff to buttoned up network executives who
just want to make TV shows, So

756
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.679
I can't present them something that's so
far out there that they're going to be

757
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.320
like, man, I'm not on
board. Yeah, Like I tried that

758
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:43.960
with the Bigfoot thing at one point. But I always tell people for what

759
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:49.760
I have learned from talking to big
foot people Uh, the plural of bigfoot

760
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:59.239
is big foots, not a big
I didn't know that, Yes, of

761
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:04.400
course, and so and so when
it is. And when I would plush

762
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.559
shows, bigfoots is right, big
feats. But when I would pitch that,

763
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.239
you know, when I would talk
to network people about it, I

764
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:13.360
pulled, you know, they were
always like, well, there's never evidence

765
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.280
they got the show about hunting big
foot. They'll never find anything. It

766
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:17.079
just show's going to go on and
on and on. It's kind of like

767
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:22.440
Chasing the Dragon. The difference here
with the one I pitched was if you

768
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.239
take there was a documentary I think
done. It was called like something for

769
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:30.320
one one. It was about missing
persons and bigfoot sightings, and if you

770
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:34.280
overlay the two maps, the correlation
is just scary. So it makes it

771
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:39.119
look like bigfoot kills people. I
mean that the sightings, a number of

772
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:43.480
sightings and missing people. Seriously,
if you look into it, I think

773
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:47.000
there was a dock about it.
A documentary. It's almost like it's when

774
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:50.079
you see that data, you're like, you've got to be kidding me.

775
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:54.079
And then but the problem is in
TV world, you'd want to believe,

776
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:57.840
like you want to create a great
story and you want to create this,

777
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:02.119
this this potentially fun narrative, Like
you know, there's something fun about studying

778
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:06.639
the unknown at Skinwalker rant, right, there's a science element, there's the

779
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.119
unknown element, just like normal paranormal. Right, there's all of these.

780
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.239
And with the Bigfoot one, when
you start getting real like that with a

781
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:21.440
missing person or people turning up dead, the question you start asking is okay,

782
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:25.039
so in being completely open and you
know, frank about it, like

783
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:32.039
what's more plausible a mythical creature or
an alien comes down and kills people and

784
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:37.880
we have no evidence of this,
or some crazy people dressed as Bigfoot killing

785
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:44.440
people. Wow, Unfortunately that is
more plausible, and so the networks don't

786
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:45.719
want to touch it. Yeah,
and so this is kind of like so

787
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.800
when you whenever you're framing these stories, and just like with Skinwalker, like

788
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.000
I'd love to pitch more out fire, out there stuff, but you gotta

789
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.400
you got to bring it down to
a way where they can put it in

790
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:59.519
their little box and like because then
they got a boss to go to.

791
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:00.760
And then you know it's got to
go up and up and up. Sure,

792
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:07.719
So well that's too bad because he's
your mind has changed, then you're

793
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.719
it's expanded, and you would think
that that would provide for some great creative

794
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:16.519
ideas that everybody you know that people
don't. That's why I'm here, Like

795
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:22.440
I feel like I have a good
knack for finding a way to package these

796
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.119
things and put them in a way
that are presentable to them. Like that's

797
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:28.719
maybe my a skill that I've developed, like with Skinwalker, Like they didn't

798
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:30.519
want to hear Skinwalker. Nobody heard
that. No one would even hear the

799
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:36.000
pitch from us at first because they're
like, it's it's bs uh, nobody

800
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.079
can get there. And you know, everything that's been done there is a

801
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:43.599
publicity stunt and people were pitching it
like we had when we were pitching it

802
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.000
at the time during one of our
meetings. So you know that the way

803
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:51.280
the networks work, right, there's
any It's like one pyramid and the Discovery

804
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:54.480
Networks is another pyramid. And so
back in the day, every every network

805
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:58.639
had their own executive that you pitched
to. Now you pitch to like the

806
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:00.679
top of the pyramid and then they
say, okay, which one of our

807
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:02.320
channels does it go on? God, I'm talking out my hands a lot.

808
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.519
Hey, DJ, what do you
do? You know, Hey,

809
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:13.199
what are you doing? Hey?
So you got this period And I went

810
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:15.440
to Rails last night. I saw
the mayor in there. I'm sorry,

811
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:22.280
go ahead, I didn't know.
I didn't. But the idea of like

812
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:28.320
pitching and we're pitching this Skinwalker was
like, hey, listen, somebody's already

813
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.840
pitching that travel and they said that
they have access to it and they can

814
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:32.519
get in there. And it's like, Brandon's like, that's not true at

815
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:38.159
all, that's bullshit. Dang,
He's like that bs and uh, and

816
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:43.320
they had we had to find out
I'm not going to say who that was,

817
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.519
but somebody people were pretending that they
could get access and pitch the show

818
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:47.880
all the time. Uh. And
so that was one of the things that

819
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:52.360
had white people weren't hearing that pitch. But now that it's the show's on

820
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.320
and it's successful, if you if
you notice right away, blind Frog Ranch

821
00:56:55.400 --> 00:57:00.920
came on another on Discovery which is
about seven miles away from Skinwalker, I

822
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:05.840
think it was seven miles and now
there's and so it's opened up the floodgates

823
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:09.679
now and so now I, by
getting the foothold in, I kind of

824
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:13.079
pushed the wind pushed it a little
bit right, that over to the window,

825
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:15.239
so of like now it's opened a
little bit more where you're here there

826
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:19.599
here's something that might be a little
bit more fringe. And then it's like,

827
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.800
okay, claim that, claim that
ground, and then bring that to

828
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:24.800
the norm and then just keep on
taking those steps. And so I think

829
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.039
that, you know, with skin
Walker, the thing that's changed with me

830
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:31.320
is my mind is more open to
hearing these things and saying, how can

831
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:38.199
I make something that is so unbelievable
more believable and plausible to a TV audience?

832
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:42.639
Right? And it is. There's
a lot of advocacy there because it

833
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.480
is believable and people have had real
experiences and had been quite scared. I

834
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:50.920
want to just promo there's a gentleman
on our chat that is going on.

835
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:54.840
You're you're going on his show Bottled
Water. Oh, bottled Water Yeah,

836
00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:00.159
us Army brother to my Air Force
me and so we're we're really happy and

837
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:05.800
when and please so go over and
watch Bottle Waters take on TJ and what

838
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.360
kind of craziness you might get up
to. And also it's I know it's

839
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:13.719
it's untoward when you invite someone on
you plan on an hour and you ask

840
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.679
for more time. But because my
brother Nathan that's right below me right there,

841
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:20.199
has a question for you, I
would I would ask you, yeah,

842
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.280
yeah, for another question and then
we'll please we'll start the wrap.

843
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:27.360
Okay, awesome, thank thank you. Of course, of course, if

844
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:30.000
you could, uh permit me to
go a little meta for a second here

845
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:36.000
as a lead up to this question. You know you've spent your life,

846
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:39.920
you know, creating entertainment, uh
and crafting that. And when you're doing

847
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:45.519
TV, you're doing movies, you
know, you're you're creating experiences for the

848
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:47.760
audience you want them to you're taking
them on a journey, right, you

849
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.840
want them to go through a journey. Uh. And and if you know,

850
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.199
sometimes that that formula like works and
you get them exactly where you want

851
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:59.199
to go, and sometimes it doesn't. But the kind of the point of

852
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.320
the whole cutting scenes and and that
kind of thing is to to help people

853
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:07.960
get from kind of point A to
point B on a show. So take

854
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:15.079
that concept is the phenomenon What kind
of show is it putting on for us?

855
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:20.320
Hm? What what what journey does
it want us to go on?

856
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:27.800
Man? That's a interesting question.
Is there an influence. Is there an

857
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:32.400
influence? I don't know how to
answer that because, uh not, like

858
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.360
I'm trying to. I'm not I'm
trying to. I don't want to.

859
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:40.400
I don't want to read into what
it is doing. I don't know.

860
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:52.280
I'm just a you know, I'm
a shaved partially shaved where where let's frame

861
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.079
it. Yeah, but I guess, you know, so taking you know,

862
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:58.920
the expertise that you have, you
know, like how if you were

863
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.960
directing this show, you know,
I'm putting kind of taking a step back

864
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:07.800
from the show itself and what the
people in the show are experiencing. What

865
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:13.119
journey is it putting them on?
This is about TJ. This is about

866
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.239
t J. Yeah, and yes, and yes, the whole the whole

867
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.760
experience. Yes, you know,
I'm trying to think the I guess.

868
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.639
I mean, there's there's a certain
amount of I don't know, it's like

869
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:30.360
tea. It's it's teasing to a
certain extent. I think what I can

870
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.000
say. So there's obviously there are
there are things that happen, right,

871
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:37.440
there are milestones, are measurable things
that are happening. Uh, the way

872
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:43.239
we're choosing to the way we're choosing
to analyze these things are with tools,

873
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:47.559
with with tech right right, there's
a there's a there's a human component to

874
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:52.519
it. You can try to analyze
it as a person. And I think

875
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.039
a lot of people are going to
have a different view of that of that

876
01:00:54.159 --> 01:01:00.639
journey to I guess from what I'm
seeing is it is kind of like teasing.

877
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:06.119
It is slowly crafting. Yeah,
not craft I guess maybe it's like

878
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:10.639
it's revealing stuff. Uh and I
I really what I want to see happen

879
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:16.000
is and it is happening like it
happened before the show, And we talked

880
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:22.400
about it in the beginning, Eric
building software and hardware his Satan machine in

881
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:27.079
all of the software. And I
think maybe this is a way to push

882
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:31.159
the push the tech to get to
a point to be able to more clearly

883
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.440
communicate or measure like it's kind of
giving you. So there's movies like that

884
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:39.880
where yes, we're it kind of
gives, it's giving you the crumbs and

885
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.960
it's like, no, you got
to figure it out. But as you

886
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.360
figure that out, I'll give you
a little more to figure out. And

887
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.800
then you figure it out and then
eventually the thing is calibrating the instrument.

888
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.559
It's a screenplay that like almost it
could be. I mean, it's again,

889
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:54.800
it's far thatched. It's you know, it's all these ideas are out

890
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:58.920
there, but if you're looking at
it, like what else could it?

891
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.920
What else could would be happening?
Like if if something was there that was

892
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:06.400
intelligent, that wanted to just make
it easy and say, hey, guess

893
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:08.280
what I'm here? End of story. Right, it's not doing it for

894
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:13.639
a TV show. I can't imagine, Right, it's like, oh,

895
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:16.039
well, you know, I'm gonna
get a get my fifteen megs of fame.

896
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:22.239
Whatever the hell? Nobody cares.
The only value you could say,

897
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:24.760
and it is you can. You
can. You can see how it's pushing

898
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:29.360
It's not just pushing the equipment in
the tech, but the thought that it's

899
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.800
also pushing forward. I mean,
think of think of where it is,

900
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:40.519
Like there's a legit TV show,
a hit TV show on cable that millions

901
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:47.280
of people watch that is scientifically trying
to find out what is going on.

902
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.679
If you said that ten years ago, they would think you were crazy,

903
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.960
right, like seriously, but that
pitch works today? Yeah, but now

904
01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:00.360
it works. It's like, so
whatever happened between now, and then you

905
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.679
know you got to think, Okay, from what's gonna happen now in the

906
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:07.079
next ten years. Well, if
this is if we're slowly learning things,

907
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:12.679
and it's I'm trying not to take
the human part, of the human component

908
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:16.840
out of it, meaning we have
to be in you know, we have

909
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:20.599
we have to have the ingenuity to
kind of develop the tools and develop the

910
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:23.400
skills in order to get to a
point where we would ever be able to

911
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:29.840
talk to an inance civilization because obviously
we're not there yet, right that that

912
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.679
quote unquote advanced. So if Eric's
building tools, if other people are building

913
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:37.039
tools, if this platform is opening
it up to bring new guests on new

914
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:43.159
new equipment, on new ideas and
ways of experimenting, then it's pushing the

915
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:45.519
entire knowledge based forward. And again, like you said, like it's crafting

916
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:51.039
it for itself. I feel like
there are there's been movies about stuff like

917
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.800
this, this these theories, so
it's not again not a beautiful unique not

918
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:55.880
if like it's not my theory,
someone else has had it. I'm just

919
01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:00.360
trying to shut it on this product, on this project product. Yeah,

920
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:04.760
I guess projects, but it's a
it's I don't. I don't, man,

921
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.960
that's a great question. That was
a great answered him. Come on,

922
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:15.119
this is why he's got matching on
one K on the show matching for

923
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:19.440
one Where can I have one of
those incredible on in work vision and eyeglasses?

924
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:26.559
Yeah, A network benefits. Yeahs, So I see I work contacts.

925
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:28.960
I see you guys. You all
have glasses, right, so you

926
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:31.679
read? No? Have you read
there's a new thing that just passed the

927
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:36.039
FDA stuff that eye drops to fix
your vision. What? No, Yes,

928
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.480
it's crazy, So go look it
up. There's a new eye drop.

929
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:44.880
It's ab V is the is the
company? Any ab V is A

930
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:46.920
is a arm of company. And
I think so the way it works and

931
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:51.880
it doesn't correct both right, it
might correct far near side or I'm not

932
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:56.000
sure which one. But from what
I understand, the way that it works

933
01:04:56.239 --> 01:05:00.000
is, uh, your eye focus
has to do with pressure in your eye,

934
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:02.800
and so what this does is you
put the eye drops in and it

935
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:08.000
regulates the pressure. But it only
lasts for like eight hours and after it

936
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:11.559
goes away, and so it's like
eight hour glasses. I'm like, that's

937
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.719
just genius. If it doesn't work, I'll have my attorney call you,

938
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:23.320
but I don't know. I'm kidding
you. We have one we have one

939
01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:27.239
final serious question, and then we
will get to our goodbyes, which I

940
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.960
know we're going to be heartfelt,
because really the framework here is we use

941
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:34.360
the ranch uh as a as a
as a framework. So I'll do Mike,

942
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:39.760
but really this was about TJ.
This episode is really about you,

943
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:44.639
and the Ranch was sort of a
framework, and it's really enjoyable because the

944
01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:47.519
whole purpose of doing one of these
shows is to connect with people, to

945
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.639
get them, to know them,
to hear interesting stories, and to be

946
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:55.599
stimulated. My final question for you, and this is just something I've gotten

947
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:59.440
a feeling from you over the course
of this episode and listening to you speak,

948
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:04.760
and I feel like there is a
nexus between the physical experience that you

949
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:09.880
had that would be quite scary for
anybody who's visited there and then come home

950
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:15.119
and had some sort of a hitchhiker
effect and your refusal to mentally give into

951
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:19.440
it. I believe that you're sort
of creating a barrier between what the ranch

952
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:24.480
offers and scarce the living hell out
of some people, and you will not

953
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:28.239
allow that to get into your psyche. I feel that I could be one

954
01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:30.960
hundred percent wrong. No, I
think you're right on. I think that's

955
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:35.719
true. I pretty I don't.
Since I don't know what it is what

956
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:41.519
happened, I can't answer. I
try to kind of keep it, you

957
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:45.639
know, arm's length, like I
get. I don't. I again,

958
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:49.159
I don't want to give thoughts as
what it could be because I feel just

959
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:54.440
it's just like everything in the in
the world today, everything is polarized so

960
01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:59.280
much you can't say anything and not
expect a backlash. So in that I

961
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:03.800
would rather be open to listening to
others ideas and entertaining everything that I can.

962
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:10.000
I you know, even being a
freaking mir wolf. That's fine,

963
01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:14.159
we'll get to that. We'll get
that. This is a storyline here.

964
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:16.239
But yeah, but so like by
doing that, it's like it's like,

965
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.440
yeah, so by doing that,
I kind of will I do keep it

966
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:24.440
arms like. But I'm open.
And but again, this is why it's

967
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:26.679
so great, And you have big
brains out there that are studying it,

968
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.519
Like, eventually you're gonna be able
to I believe label these things. You're

969
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:34.400
gonna say it is X, it
is why And this happened because of this

970
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:39.760
and this led to this. I
think that I will be more confident to

971
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.559
label things or put it put it
on when I have more info, because

972
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:49.519
listen, there are potential very you
know, plausible explanations. Radiation is the

973
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:53.960
one that always comes to mind that
people always throw could very well be I

974
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:59.880
don't know, but I'm not discounting
that or anything else. So yeah,

975
01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:00.599
I try to keep it his arms
like, and I do try to keep

976
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:04.519
it like. There's no reason to
let let becket out, you know,

977
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:12.159
take over your power absolutely, So
yeah, I mean, I I really,

978
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:15.600
you know, hope that you should
look out for situations where and and

979
01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:18.760
Nathan may once you speak to just
where you would find yourself naked in the

980
01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:24.159
woods, you're laying down, you
might be gnawing on some sort of a

981
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:31.600
wintery animal like a beaver, whatever. I just want you to be careful

982
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:38.199
that if that those werewolf tendencies come
up, that you address them and and

983
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:41.079
you always have a place to hear
and to come and talk to us about

984
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:49.439
it. Judgment free. This is
a judgment where wolves are welcome here to

985
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:58.880
Jay right on you. That is
a performer, right on you. I

986
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:08.840
love guys. Everybody's gonna take a
chance to say goodbye to Yes, TJ.

987
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:13.640
It's been a pleasure, Thank you
so much. This is just you

988
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:16.720
have no idea how excited I was
about today, how nervous, and I've

989
01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:24.079
been like so I'm like that meme
with you know the guy that's cool.

990
01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:29.479
Thank you so much. Course and
then so I appreciate you being here and

991
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:32.840
can we have you? Of course? I know it's cool. Of course,

992
01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:35.439
of course, Like so I put
it out there too, like I'm

993
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:39.640
trying to do. I want to
do these on a regular basis. Yeah,

994
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:42.920
I want to get out there and
and and I will, like you

995
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:45.720
know, just I got bottled waters
this Saturday, and I just I was

996
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.279
hoping not to do them so close
together, but because but this will kind

997
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:50.640
of just happened that way. But
I think I'm gonna try to space them

998
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:55.199
out every few weeks or something.
But yeah, I absolutely, I absolutely

999
01:09:55.239 --> 01:10:00.560
will. Just on people want to
talk to you because he liked that he

1000
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:08.760
ain't a Hollywood up at all.
Money Nathan is next. Yeah, So

1001
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:13.560
TJ. I got to say,
you have opened up my mind a lot

1002
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:16.800
tonight by what you've offered about the
show. I love the show. I've

1003
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:20.239
watched both seasons and really have got
a ton out of it, but your

1004
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:26.039
perspective on it has totally changed that
for me, and it just taking it

1005
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:29.159
down a whole bit different path.
And I'm I just can't thank you enough

1006
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:30.399
for that. And I want to
say too, as a fellow gamer.

1007
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:34.159
Uh, you know that experience plays
in right, So like I have to,

1008
01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:39.520
I have to believe that that early
experience that you had developing games,

1009
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:43.119
you know, has led to your
success and gives you a unique perspective on

1010
01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:45.479
everything that you do, particularly with
this project. So keep up the great

1011
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.159
work and we'll talk to you again
in the future. Yeah. Absolutely,

1012
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:54.199
thank you, Girse Flair. All
right, matt Hey, it was great

1013
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:59.079
meeting you, and thank you for
putting up with me. That was awesome.

1014
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.920
Man, this is great. Ask
me why I'm itching all the time

1015
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tonight? You know, you put
it in my head now the ranches,

1016
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the where Wolf narrative is it is? All right? Well, I'm glad

1017
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I entertained you. That was my
goal. So thank you for being here.

1018
01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:21.680
It was an honor to mean to
you. Man, seriously, thanks,

1019
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thanks, that's awesome. I just
wanted to thank you for sharing about

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your personal experiences and we are here
to support you. And if you,

1021
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you know, ever want to just
get more research on skin walker cases or

1022
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anything, just let me know.
At the Study of U A p S.

1023
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Deb Will. She loves to research. So if you want to know

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01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:46.640
about something but you don't have the
time to look into it, you can

1025
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.199
d M deb And and she'll do
it. She's absolutely phenomenal and she's just

1026
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:54.960
a lovable person. Yeah, that's
your thing. That's your like, that's

1027
01:11:54.960 --> 01:12:02.159
your that's not that's not my full
time job, but that is what I'm

1028
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sorry. I just want to say
that I'm extremely proud that two of our

1029
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members you see at the bottom of
the stream do work and and Council U

1030
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from a psychological yes you Claire,
yes you council kids as uh from a

1031
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:20.840
psychological perspective. So both of them
are degreed in that field and we're extremely

1032
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extremely proud of of both of them. That's deb and Flair awesome. That's

1033
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:32.479
awesome work. Okay. So yeah, and if you do well whatever,

1034
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you're not degreed. I'm working,
dere You're you're a degree of beautiful over

1035
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there and so uh, Deb,
So yeah, if you but if you

1036
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:47.239
do want to know about something in
any of this field. And you DM

1037
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:51.319
deb she will she will go out
and uh and get some information for you

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01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:57.720
for what you need. Okay,
it's always good to know. Thank you,

1039
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.239
brother. We had so much fun. Thank you for playing long.

1040
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:03.479
You have an amazing smile. It's
it's infectious. It's almost like I don't

1041
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:11.079
want to talk about cod It's like
the flu. So I love it so

1042
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:15.560
since talking with you guys, it's
really funny. Like I've been called wholesome,

1043
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.600
aware of the blue. My smile
is flu like, I mean,

1044
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:24.359
this is great. There's all these
new things about what a great for self

1045
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:29.880
esteem. We're gonna raise you up. I mean, you're gonna get so

1046
01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:32.640
much love. So thank you so
much for joining so for t J Aller

1047
01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:36.359
for a Kashi, Chris for money, Nate, for Flarious, Maximus down

1048
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:41.399
there, and for dev. This
is DJ saying peace out, one love

1049
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:44.680
and we'll see you down the road. We're always wondering what's up around the

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01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:54.560
bend. Thanks everybody,