WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:08.679 It's time for coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:27.800 day. Now here's Nick Coffee. You know, sometimes the commercial breaks here 3 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:31.320 during the show are used for you know, I mean, obviously it's you 4 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.799 know, as they say in the radio business, paying the bills, but 5 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:36.520 it also you know, gives us a break to you know, reset that 6 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:39.600 kind of stuff. And sometimes it's going to get a drink. Sometimes it's 7 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:43.000 going to the restroom. Sometimes it's making a phone call, sometimes it's you 8 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.479 know, nothing. But today's been a day where each time we've gone to 9 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:50.920 commercial break, the majority of that time when you were hearing about the wonderful 10 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:54.560 partners that we have here at iHeart Louisville, John and I have just been 11 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:58.439 chopping it up like the show's not at break, and I actually that helps 12 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:00.479 me like that key, you know, that's that's good for the show because 13 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:04.480 you know, I'm excited as can be about Louisville basketball in the direction that 14 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:07.959 Pat Kelsey has this thing going in And obviously you know, we don't talk 15 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.480 much EU on here, but you know, it's nice to see John energize 16 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:17.400 because Mike Woodson brought back I mean to be fair, I would say, 17 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.159 and we're going to get to Louisville in just a second. But I was 18 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.319 just thinking about it because I'm looking here at transfer portal rankings as far as 19 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:27.439 players, and then looking at portal rankings as far as teams, and Indiana 20 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:33.439 has done a good job in adding guys, no doubt. But also I 21 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:37.760 mean I think, I mean, I think that when you look at everybody 22 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.959 they brought back, and you know the guys that they did lose, I 23 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:47.519 think Woodson couldn't have done much better as far as managing the roster before you 24 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:49.599 make additions. They brought back everybody they wanted. The only guy they lost 25 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.000 is a guy that's going to be a lottery pick, probably in khlill Ware. 26 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:59.400 So I mean, wouldn't be shocked if they're preseason top twenty team. 27 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:01.599 But that was actually what got our conversation going during the break is how would, 28 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:06.159 I mean, how are you going to put together a top twenty five 29 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:10.000 in college basketball with this current landscape? I mean, I mean, it's 30 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:14.960 always a guest regardless even before the portal, but like you know, even 31 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.520 teams that are I mean, I think you could put together top fifteen and 32 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:22.840 feel pretty good about it. But I think fifteen to twenty five would be 33 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:25.599 you're just assuming that, like you know, it's the ultimate guess. I 34 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.599 mean even the elite teams. Last year, I remember Michigan State was like 35 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.919 number two or number three, and they ended up finishing the season as an 36 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:36.080 eight or a nine seed and the NAA Tournament. So again, none of 37 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:39.520 it means jack squad. Look at Miami. It's legitimately just based on your 38 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:45.000 roster structure and how well that structure may get along. And most I mean 39 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:46.919 most cases, it's probably gonna be fine if they projected to do well, 40 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:52.639 but you obviously will have a few cases where it's not no doubt about it. 41 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:54.039 All right, it is coffee and company, and we are fueled by 42 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:58.280 Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven to ninety. Appreciate you hanging out with us. 43 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:00.000 Let's just get right to it. For those that if not been keeping 44 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:04.800 up, it's been a busy, busy last twenty four hours on the Louisville 45 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.439 basketball roster tracking situation. We started with our we started most recent and then 46 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:13.039 worked our way back to start the show at three o'clock. Let's do the 47 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.800 let's do it. The other way, let's start, I guess with last 48 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:19.680 night and work our way forward, because yesterday it was Tis Spaulding, of 49 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:22.479 rivals, who I believe. I could be wrong, but I think tis 50 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:25.599 the one who first had it out there that Chucky Hepburn will be visiting Louisville 51 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:30.360 and he will be arriving on Wednesday night, which of course was last night. 52 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:34.199 So that's a big get. And I kept talking about Chucky Hepburn as 53 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:36.759 a guy that like, there's not a whole lot out there as far as 54 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.960 his situation, and what I mean by that is I mean not even truly, 55 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:43.879 not of it had like given a full like here's what's happening, here's 56 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.159 the four or five schools, here's the situation. He just hit the portal, 57 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.000 what a week ago or something like that, and it just seemed as 58 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:52.439 if Louisville was the school that was going to get him. There was no 59 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:57.199 scheduled visit that I saw, There was no connection between Hepburn and anybody at 60 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:00.520 Louisville on the staff. But he hit the portal and like it almost seemed 61 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.439 as if people knew that where, you know, I thought that's where he 62 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:05.599 was gonna go. Before he even hit the portal. So sure enough he 63 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:10.719 gets to Louisville last night lands at the airport and there were fans there to 64 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.159 greet him, as well as Pat Kelsey and some of his staffers. I 65 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:15.360 know, Peyton Siva was there, so you know, he got a Warren 66 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:18.680 welcome, and hopefully he's enjoying his visit in Louisville right now. He is 67 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:24.040 a really really good point guard, a guy that can run your team. 68 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:26.600 You know, he's not a he's not a combo guard. I mean, 69 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.040 I guess you could he could. You could put him off the ball and 70 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.079 he'd be fine. But to me, he's a guy who, uh he's 71 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.079 he's at his best when he's running your team. You know, for assists 72 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:39.720 per game last year none points. You know, didn't have a great year 73 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:43.879 shooting the ball from the three point line, but uh this he's in the 74 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:47.439 season before forty percent three point shooter. I mean, and really, you 75 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:50.800 know what he brings that maybe you could say is lacking with the other guys 76 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:55.079 they've added right now is defense. I mean, he's a really really good 77 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:59.879 defensive player. And you know, I know that Aj Storer sort of bea 78 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.399 you know, was the man if you will for Wisconsin this past year seventeen 79 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:08.639 points four rebounds. Also a guard kind of more of a wing. But 80 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:13.839 you know it was that backcourt duo of Store and Hepburn that honestly, you 81 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:17.360 know, Wisconsin being good early was like the head scratcher, you remember that, 82 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.600 John. We were looking at the Ken palm during the season thinking like, 83 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.639 wait a second, Wisconsin's like number eight. And they had a roller 84 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:28.600 coaster of a season. But you know, they were a good team throughout. 85 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.120 I mean, they made the tournament, you know, and didn't work 86 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.279 out well for him, they lost to James Madison, which they have. 87 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:38.920 If Hepburn ends up joining this Louisville roster, you know you'd have him going, 88 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.279 you know, him joining forces with a guy who was the big fight, 89 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.079 you know he was, I mean Terrence Edward Junior was the man in 90 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:46.199 that game in the round of sixty four when James Madison knocked off Wisconsin. 91 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:51.639 So the belief here is obviously that there's a lot of money. But man, 92 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:56.879 can we all just accept we don't know any Like, we don't know 93 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.000 what any of the money actually is because we say a lot of money, 94 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.720 you know, chasing the bag and if a guy's lead, like, for 95 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.680 example, Greg Gard, that's Wisconsin's coach. By the way, did you 96 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.879 hear what Greg Gard had to say about this? I saw there was some 97 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.279 people tweeting about this earlier this afternoon. Yeah, I mean, he doesn't 98 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.279 blame him, but also you know, I mean, I know, I'll 99 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.759 just play it for you, guys. I've seen this landscap coming. I 100 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:27.519 mean, this isn't this isn't a surprise to anybody and anybody that I'm not 101 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:33.480 mad at anybody because or specifically Chucky and AJ. If anybody in their right 102 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.759 mind told any of you guys or Dallas that you could go triple your income 103 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.639 by taking you a different job, you'd do it in a heartbeat, no 104 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:46.240 questions asked. And so for a variety of reasons, I yeah, did 105 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.319 we all not want to see him go? Yeah? Of course, love 106 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:55.000 so that that didn't sound bad, right, Like that didn't mean, yeah, 107 00:06:55.000 --> 00:07:00.839 he didn't say anything wrong. But you know, coaches can say that 108 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:04.439 to justify losing a player, and nobody will ever know if they're telling the 109 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:11.959 truth or not. Triple is nil maybe, but probably not because I don't 110 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.600 believe any of these numbers that are out there are legitimate and I said it 111 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.800 many times. It's a pretty obvious way to look at it. So it's 112 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.920 not as if I'm claiming I had this you know this, you know, 113 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.759 this takeaway from this situation that nobody else could come up with. But if 114 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:31.959 the player is believed to have gotten a million dollars, that looks good on 115 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.439 the player. If the school is believed to have paid, right, I 116 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.160 guess the nil collective, whoever it is, those that are you know, 117 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.920 working to get money to the players for the school, if they got a 118 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.879 million dollars for this guy, that makes them look good, like they've got 119 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:50.000 the big pockets. So, you know, it's such an unknown and I 120 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:55.560 do think that context, you know, would be a little you know, 121 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.680 would I mean, not only are we nosy and interested, but like I 122 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:01.399 do think he would help you kind of under stand maybe why guys are doing 123 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:03.879 this and that. But at the end of the day, I mean, 124 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:11.000 I guess that doesn't technically matter. But again, the money thing is is 125 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.959 probably never going to be transparent, and we may have, oh, eight 126 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.120 million dollars for this guy, like no way, but people just run with 127 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.360 it and say it, and it's you know, it's crazy because that's what 128 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:22.839 everybody's doing with with Jayden Quayn. So we're gonna get to him in just 129 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.240 a minute. But anyways, CHUCKI Epburn, he's leaving to get more money 130 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.320 and Louisville apparently has it, and hopefully he commits to Louisville because he'd be 131 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:35.759 a big time edition. So he arrived last night visiting right now. But 132 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:41.159 I think I saw that one of the one of the college basketball outlets has 133 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.799 him as the fourth best guard available in the portal. So a big time 134 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.399 edition, no doubt. And there was an addition to the roster earlier today 135 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.000 that is I mean, I want to say big man, but he's not 136 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.360 a big man. I mean he plays like it with his stats and he's 137 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.600 got you know, he can jump out of the gym. He's built like 138 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:58.480 a I mean, I wouldn't call him a little man to his face. 139 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:05.039 I mean this guy is built like a I mean like a UFC heavyweight fighter. 140 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:09.440 Uh. Cater trey o A is his name. Abubakar is his legal 141 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:11.559 name, but he goes by Cater. If you look at him, if 142 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:16.639 you go look at you know how he was referenced at at at Long Beach 143 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.960 State as well as as well as the you know, social media profiles for 144 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.840 him. So this is the six to five guy who just a flat out 145 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.360 productive player in every way. Uh twelve points, eight boards, four and 146 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:33.440 a half assists, one point six steals, and you know, about a 147 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.360 block and a half per game. He's six' five. He's a good 148 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.080 passer. I mean again, I watched highlights and I'm gonna post some of 149 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.360 them a little bit later if you haven't seen him. These are ones that 150 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:45.120 came from like the actual Long Beach State, like social media stuff. So 151 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:46.840 it's actually you know more, you know, it's not just film from you 152 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.360 know, his games. But he had a triple double in the Big West 153 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.720 Tournament. I mean, he had twelve double doubles last year. Big time 154 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.159 athlete. His motor doesn't stop. Can do a little bit of everything, 155 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.360 a good you know, a good defensive press. It's no doubt. Man, 156 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.039 I love this guy's game. So he is somebody that I, you 157 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.879 know, once I just saw what he brings to the table. Again, 158 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:13.480 he's not maybe a superstar, but I mean he's got again a motor that 159 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:18.360 just doesn't stop. He's freakishly athletic, he's strong as can be. Here, 160 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.159 I am describing him like he's like he's a basketball player created in a 161 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.799 laboratory, like you created him in a video game or something like that. 162 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:26.000 That's not what I mean. But I mean because again, he his weakness 163 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:30.480 is right. He's not a great ball handler, certainly not a good shooter. 164 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:31.519 You go look at his numbers. He doesn't shoot many threes. But 165 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.879 I say this all the time, and I don't know why it isn't said 166 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.440 more. Maybe people don't agree. And that's fine. Knowing who you are 167 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:45.840 as a basketball player is an absolute strength. It is a trait that a 168 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.039 lot of guys don't have. Right. This is somebody who knows who he 169 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.440 is as a player and does not veer away from that. He wants to 170 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:52.879 defend, he wants to block shots, he wants to run the floor. 171 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.919 You know. He he knows he can't shoot threes, so a lot of 172 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.440 times he will force the issue when they're there him to shoot and then you 173 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.080 know, show his vision and drop a dime. I mean, he's a 174 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.960 really good player. And there's not any of these guys yet that you could 175 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:15.159 claim are you know, the best player in the portal obviously, Terrence Edwards 176 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.279 Junior is ranked as the fifteenth best player I think the nineteenth best player now 177 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.320 in the portal by the Athletic and I think he will be, you know, 178 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.120 a big time guy for you. But the other guys, I mean, 179 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.480 it's not like I'm saying that, you know, you just landed a 180 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:30.639 future All American, but just a really good piece. And I think you 181 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.240 can have and we've seen it in recent years, like you can have really 182 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:37.399 really good teams that make deep runs in the tournament that maybe don't have an 183 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.679 absolute superstar, a guy that's average in twenty three a night, but you 184 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.960 know, good players that that work well together, they play you know, 185 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:48.960 a specific style system and you know that's what Pat Kelsey's building right now. 186 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.000 All right, So this this is something I wanted to share really quickly on 187 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.399 Trey Ora the Long Beach State transfer because this is this is a little bit 188 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.759 nerdy as far as just throwing numbers at you, but I think it's I 189 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.440 think it sounds impressive. You'll kind of give you some context to just how 190 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.799 productive this guy is and really just how rare he is. So this is 191 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:11.759 from the best wager on Twitter. So among players six' five or shorter 192 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:16.679 in college basketball. He led the country in block percentage. It's pretty impressive. 193 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:24.960 Right as far as guys six' five or shorter, only five players 194 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:33.000 in college basketball dunked the ball more times. Only ten players in college basketball 195 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:39.200 six' five or shorter had more offensive rebounds than him, I think, 196 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:43.639 and again, thank you to whoever runs the best Wager Twitter account, because 197 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.159 that is I mean that that is really putting in perspective. I think just 198 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:52.759 how rare this guy is. He plays very big for his size, with 199 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.080 his length and athleticism, he's an above the rim guy. I mean, 200 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:56.919 I love this. I love this edition. But again, I know, 201 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.960 once I get to really discussion over these players, you know, it's you 202 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:03.639 know, it seems as if I'm acting as if Louisville's just built the dream 203 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.039 team. But let me be excited, right, this is it's been a 204 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:11.960 long time coming, all right. So speaking of excited, this was actually 205 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.480 we'll be led with the start the show. So Jaden Quaint's the five star 206 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.519 Top ten player that visited Louisville last week. There was certainly a lot of 207 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.360 talk of him in the last couple of weeks, and here's how this thing 208 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.639 has played out. Louisville got a visit, the first visit since he decommitted 209 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.879 from Kentucky, and the expectation with that he was going to keep his options 210 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:35.320 open and that Arkansas was probably going to be the school to be because you 211 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.679 know, he'd followed Cali Perry and apparently Cala Perry's got all the money with 212 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.399 Jerry Jones and everybody else. Well, he just decided to not visit there 213 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:46.759 and remove them from consideration. He's not going to follow Calt Arkansas. Then 214 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.559 we found out that Memphis was going to get a visit this weekend, and 215 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:52.440 that Kentucky was going to get involved as well, and Mark Pope was going 216 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:54.159 to do an in home visit with him. Well, it turns out that 217 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.440 in home visit did not happen, got canceled, and Kentucky's not in the 218 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.759 mix. Well, now we found out, we found out earlier today that 219 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.159 he's not visiting Memphis anymore. And you have folks that cover college basketball, 220 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.559 you know, those that have a crystal Ball prediction for twenty four to seven 221 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.600 sports and the one, the only Trilli Donovan. They're now saying that they 222 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:16.600 you know, and again this doesn't. This is really just an educated guest 223 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.879 from a lot of guys. But I do trust Trilli Donovan as somebody that 224 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:24.159 wouldn't just say he thinks that Jaden Quaint's is going to Louisville if he didn't 225 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:26.279 truly think that, Like he's not. This isn't for engagement or clicks or 226 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.960 anything like that. This is just you know him. And that's one of 227 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:33.960 the things I do find very beneficial about someone like Chili Donovan. You know 228 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.799 his persona right, Trillly Donovan, not his real name, like it's a 229 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:41.840 brand. And you know, he has an insane amount of people that do 230 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.120 pay for his discord, which my man's making money. Good for him, 231 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.919 he's monetizing you know, this whole thing that he probably never thought would happen. 232 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:56.039 But where where he really stands to keep climbing and being maybe you know, 233 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:01.200 the industry leader in breaking news about college baskets bsketball is to get it 234 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.519 right and you know, to be consistent, and he's done that. You 235 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:07.559 know, he's got some stuff wrong before, so is everybody else. But 236 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:11.879 you know, him saying that he thinks that Jadan Quayn's is going to come 237 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:15.159 to Louisville makes me think that jayden Quain's sure enough is going to come to 238 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.960 Louisville, which again it's you know, I don't want to get my hopes 239 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.960 up. It's not happened. Yeah, but I'm at the point now and 240 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.759 I said this earlier, there's no stopping me from getting my hopes up now 241 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:31.000 because it's just the way this thing has has developed. Now something else we've 242 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.919 discussed. But for those of you that just now joining us the whole, 243 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.600 you know, it's just it's a weird position to be in as a Louisville 244 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.000 fan to think that, like you're potentially going to get a top ten player, 245 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:48.639 but like the reaction from others is not going to be like cheating or 246 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.440 you know, damn how about Pat Kelsey. It's going to be like, 247 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.440 huh, look at those suckers paying all that money for that player, which 248 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.159 again, like that's just jealousy, is what that is. Because any program 249 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.039 in the country would take him in any fan, if any program in the 250 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:10.200 country would be just fine if they paid whatever to get him, they would. 251 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.840 I mean that that's that's not you can't deny that he's that good of 252 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.279 he's that he's a top ten player that something could be the number one pick 253 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:26.000 in the twenty twenty six NBA draft. So that's a new I forgot what 254 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:26.799 that felt like, right to kind of have, you know, the envy 255 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.960 of some others. When's last time somebody envied Louisville basketball. It's been a 256 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.639 while, hasn't it. I mean been a while. And they'll be there'll 257 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.759 be people very envious of this commitment if it, in fact, in fact 258 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:42.080 happens. They won't say it, but they will be. You know, 259 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:45.639 what else happened last night, John that I kind of think I'll remember forever. 260 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:48.720 What wasn't like it was the first time I wanted to, you know, 261 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:56.080 kind of you know, just come unhinged on on Twitter defending my coach. 262 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.440 Oh yeah, because the Chucky Heaburn new was broke, and you know, 263 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:04.359 Wisconsin fans are sad they lost stores and hepburn and they claim it's, 264 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:07.640 you know, only because of money, which I'm sure money is a factor, 265 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.319 but that's gonna be the easy excuse for everybody. Fans. Oh yeah, 266 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.400 they just love for money. They're they're back chasing. There's nothing wrong 267 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:17.960 with that. Yeah. And then coaches, though coaches can always blame it 268 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:18.960 on that and then say, well, hey, you know you got more 269 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.759 money. I mean, I you gotta get more money, right, Like 270 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.960 what are coaches doing when they leave one job for another for more money? 271 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:26.599 Trust me, I know, but that's just how some people cope with it, 272 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:32.559 right. But somebody had responded to the Hepburn news that he was visiting 273 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:37.039 Louisville and saying, wow, leaving Wisconsin to go and play for College of 274 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:41.039 Charleston's old coach. And I jumped up off the couch like, hope, 275 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:45.640 I see this, guynna check him. Put him in his place instead, 276 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.160 I just you know, use Twitter and and you know, said yeah, 277 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.359 because everybody probably would love to line up and play for Greg Guard, Like 278 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.640 come on now, like you could be jealous about Louisville having the money to 279 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.640 get players in Louisville being a more attractive spot right now than you know, 280 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:04.720 Wisconsin. But I mean, wasn't their talk that Greg gard was interested in 281 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.680 the Louisville job last time it was open he was, so I mean he 282 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:11.839 should understand. Yeah, well they did, but they didn't take a shot 283 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.200 at you know, I mean they're taking a shot at Pat Kelsey not. 284 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:15.119 Oh yeah, And I don't like that, all right. I don't like 285 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:19.160 that. I mean, I know he's still new to this level of college 286 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.359 basketball, but you know, there's a lot of coaches. I'll just you 287 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.119 know, I could understand. But Greg Guard, Come on, what's Greg 288 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.400 Guard ever done? I means Greg Guard ever made it to the second weekend? 289 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.359 It's a good question. I mean, he's had good teams. What 290 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:37.160 have they ever done? So anyways, let's take a quick break. I 291 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:41.160 believe we're gonna be chatting on the other side with the one the only doctor, 292 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:44.759 Larry Ben's of pro Rihea physical therapy, and we'll keep this thing rolling 293 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:47.920 along. Also, we'll get to some draft stuff later because it is Day 294 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:49.839 one of the NFL Draft. I'm a draft nerd myself, looking forward to 295 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:53.279 it tonight. You always see some nonsense that happens during the draft, some 296 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:57.240 of the coverage. Twitter becomes a really wild place during the draft. So 297 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:00.799 looking forward to that. Don't go anywhere. It's cofee company. We are 298 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.440 field abou Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. It's right coffee and 299 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.799 company. Feel about Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety Thanks for hanging out 300 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.799 with us. Don't forget you could take us with you wherever you go. 301 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:15.000 Listen live on the out Radio WEP Listen live at seven ninety Louisville dot Com. 302 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.440 We now bring in a special guest. It's doctor Larry Binns of pro 303 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.920 Rea Physical Therapy. Larry, I'll start with just making sure you're you're keeping 304 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.079 up. It's busy, it's hectic, But how about this momentum for Pat 305 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:29.799 Kelsey and his staff hit the ground running, putting a team together pretty quickly 306 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.519 here. Yeah, he absolutely is. But in a way it's surprising, 307 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.400 but not surprising. He's got a lot of energy. He's not gonna let 308 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:41.279 the grass grow underneath his feet there, and he is. He's a man 309 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.039 that you wanted the job. He understands. I mean, just look last 310 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:49.119 year at college at Charleston, what he did very similar. He lost all 311 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:52.920 his starters and everything else the year before, had to figure out an NIL 312 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.759 program there, brought in a whole new team. And you know, frankly, 313 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:57.680 that's one of the reasons why he's here at Littleville right now. He's 314 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.519 already done this, yep, no doubt about it. And over time, 315 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.400 you know, it's only been roughly a month since he's been here as the 316 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.119 coach, and there's a lot of things we knew right out of the gate. 317 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:08.640 There's some other things that I've picked up on since, and one of 318 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.480 those is that to recruit at the level of college at Charleston and Winthrop, 319 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:17.640 you know, you're recruiting a humongous pool of similar players, right because the 320 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:21.799 bigger fish obviously go to the bigger programs. So to be able to find 321 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.240 guys that fit, you know, in a big pool, find guys who 322 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.599 fit with what you want to do, don't necessarily worry as much about where 323 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.640 they're ranked, and that kind of stuff. Actually think you can really tell 324 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:36.480 a lot about a guy's ability to recruit when you are consistently successful at that 325 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:38.839 level. And now he's recruiting with a different logo on his shirt, with 326 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:44.519 some resources by his side, and it's coming together very nicely. No, 327 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.720 it absolutely is. And I think the thing that is most impressive about him 328 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:51.960 is he's got a discipline and a rigor on how he does it. You 329 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:53.799 know, he has said publicly, you know, the portal giveth and the 330 00:20:53.839 --> 00:21:00.000 portal taketh, and he has a certain criteria or data set or data analytics 331 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.759 of you know, four or five things that you know I would call proprietary 332 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:07.200 that he looks for and if they don't meet that criteria, or if they 333 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:10.720 have four out of five rather than five out of five, you know, 334 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.480 he's not going to waste his time. So I don't quite know what those 335 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.480 criterias and in my business, but it obviously is very meaningful to him, 336 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.599 and you know it's already paying off, and uh, you know, it's 337 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.200 fun to see. And you know, I was a little disappointed that Mike 338 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:29.079 James is not coming back to Louisville. I thought he was just a tremendous 339 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.440 leader, a tremendous kid. But you know, the flip side of all 340 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:34.960 that is organizationally. You know, I'm in the business. You know, 341 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.200 we buy a lot of companies and we do a lot of transactions. I 342 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.079 think we've done eighty some in the last you know, eight years. And 343 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:45.200 you buy something good, sometimes you buy something medium, sometimes you buy something 344 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.119 bad at times, and I could tell you when you buy something that has 345 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.519 been underperforming, I'll just use that term. You tend to want to redo 346 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.960 the entire organization. You get the scent the culture and everything out of there 347 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:00.000 and you bring in your own. And that is to me, the most 348 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.039 us a thing that I've seen him do is just take a command position that 349 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:06.640 we're going to do things the way we want to do them, the way 350 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:11.920 we've had success. And our success transports from these colleges like Winthrope, then 351 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:15.400 Kyl's Charleston and University of Louisville. Lar You mentioned, you know, his 352 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.880 his criteria, you know the factors that really matter to him when it goes 353 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.279 you know, it comes to making decisions building a roster, and that reminded 354 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.400 me one of the one of the guys I talked to that had worked alongside 355 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.079 Pat at one point in their career. I was just getting thoughts on him, 356 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:32.039 and one of the things they emphasized was organized. And I'm thinking, 357 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:33.079 okay, that's that's obviously a good thing, but you know, what does 358 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.119 that really mean for a basketball coaches? It practice routine, But it sounds 359 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.400 like everything he does as far as his system is philosophy. It's very organized, 360 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.799 very structured, and they don't seem to take much time off, which 361 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:48.960 again Louisville fans already seeing the benefit of that. But let's let's shift gears 362 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.400 here to the Kentucky Derby. Next week we'll have Derby one fifty. And 363 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.519 I know each time Derby's come up during our conversations we talk about some of 364 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:59.960 the you know, the jockey, the jockey injuries and things like that, 365 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:02.519 and I wanted to refresh folks, just because you know, jockeys, you 366 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:03.640 know, they're a big part of this stuff, right, and you know, 367 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.440 they get they get injured, they get banged up. What would you 368 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.359 say is one of the more common injuries you see from a jockey that has 369 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.079 been doing this for many, many years. And it may not be because 370 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.480 you know, maybe they fell off the horse or you know, something crazy, 371 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:18.680 but just you know, kind of wear and tear on their body, 372 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.559 right, they go through it just like other athletes, you know, absolutely, 373 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:26.119 So let's unpack this a bit. You know a lot of times, 374 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:27.519 in fact, we say this in business, it's not the horse, it's 375 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:32.519 the jockey. It's the one guiding and leading. And you know, back 376 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:34.720 to basketball for a minute. We certainly got a jockey that right now we're 377 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.599 very proud of. And the work ethic and the mission, the passion, 378 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:44.920 the hunger, the drive is very impressive and the jockey community they have to 379 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:49.440 maintain a certain weight, so that has a whole set of consequences in its 380 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:53.240 own and then on top of that the wear and tear. You know, 381 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.319 if anybody has ever had the experience of riding any simulated, you know, 382 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:03.960 horse, they can understand that there's vibration and bouncing and the combination of those 383 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.359 two creates a lot of what we call cumulative trauma injuries, which is the 384 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:15.640 you know, sudden, sub maximum, repetitious way that your bones and ligaments 385 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.240 and muscles and things tend to wear down. And so a lot of if 386 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:22.680 you ask me what they're common injury outside of trauma, which is obviously fall 387 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.759 of the horse, all kinds of things can happen, but from a you 388 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.559 know, what's the most at risk and that is just the general wearing away 389 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:34.599 of their joints, particularly their knee and ankle. We've seen some shoulder stuff, 390 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:40.640 that is, we've rehabbed a lot of total shoulder injuries and jockeys. 391 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:45.359 And then you know, lastly, they have this weight issue that forces them 392 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.680 to you know, stay within a certain discipline relative to nutrition and maintaining that 393 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:55.000 weight. It's not an easy profession at all. So when it comes to 394 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.519 maintaining the weight. And forgive me for asking what is probably a stupid question. 395 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:00.039 I'm just not somebody that is super in formed on the sport of horse 396 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.319 racing. You know, our jockeys, I mean, are they are they 397 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:08.319 Are they you know, active in races throughout the entire year? Is it 398 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:11.319 more of a you know, non month thing, because I'm just curious about 399 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:14.319 when it comes to the nutrition and the weight, you know, having to 400 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:15.559 maintain. I'm just curious. Is it is it a thing that's just year 401 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.000 round or maybe you know, they have some time off and then they have 402 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.920 a certain amount of time where they realize they've got to you know, they 403 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:22.319 got to do their the work on their end to make sure they're back at 404 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.319 the way they need to be at. Yeah, it's a very that's a 405 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.519 that's a good question. And what I would tell you it's not monolithic at 406 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.200 all. It really is a function of where they rate, you know, 407 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.000 on the chart of how much money they make. That makes sense, you 408 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.880 know, they get paid according to you know, their their their winnings and 409 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:44.599 there's very few sports where the main driver is not the you know, the 410 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.519 proletariat is not the main money maker, and so horse racing is one of 411 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.920 those remnants we have where so many it's the eighty twenty rule. Twenty percent 412 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.559 of the jockeys make eighty percent of the dollars, and so they will go 413 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:03.920 to track to track and seasonality depending on on, you know, how much 414 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.359 money to make. The flip side of that is, if they get really 415 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.720 really good, they're paid to ride less and makes it a chance to pick 416 00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:11.880 their horses, and they get a chance to, you know, in many 417 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.920 cases, pick their owners. And then you have the dynamic between the owners 418 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:19.799 and the jockey, which is very interesting because certain owners like certain jockeys, 419 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:23.319 and certain jockeys are you know, they're all independent contractors. They're not employed, 420 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.559 so they can ride whoever the heck they want, and some of them 421 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:30.519 are more loyal to certain owners who've been more loyal to them. So that's 422 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:32.759 actually one of the things that I pay attention to, is that sort of 423 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:38.920 the dynamic, the relationship management between between jockey and owner. And so therefore, 424 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.559 to your point, they will are more susceptible to injuries the more obviously 425 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.680 that they race. If you look at some of the careers of you know, 426 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.079 the older jockeys, some of them who were retired, the Ron Triquettes 427 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:53.599 of the world of the Secretariat, I know he was in town this week. 428 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:59.559 And you look at Gary Stevens and you see when they're younger, they're 429 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:02.279 a race all the time. The number of mounts that they have in a 430 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:04.759 given year, and it tends to obviously decrease, is they have more winnings 431 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.839 and decrease as they get over. Doctor Larry Ben's of Proria Physical Therapy is 432 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:12.680 our guests joining us here on Sports Talk seven ninety. So the mini marathon 433 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:15.759 coming up. In fact, I say mini marathon because that's the only race. 434 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:18.880 There's a full marathon too, but I've only done it twice and it 435 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.720 was the Many, not the full marathon. But a lot of folks train, 436 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.119 you know, year round for this. Maybe they just stay and shape 437 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.240 their active runners. And there's others that you know, maybe it's once every 438 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.000 four or five years they decide to do it, and you know, there's 439 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.000 a lot of training that goes into it. I think a lot of folks 440 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.599 who do the Many will do the races before then they kind of, you 441 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:40.200 know, ease you into the much longer race at the end here. So 442 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:41.759 I just don't know if there's a possibility that anybody could do this and not 443 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.079 be sore the next day. Maybe it's those that just you know, can 444 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.359 do this kind of stuff in their sleep. But you know, for those 445 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.599 that you know, aren't, you know, aren't this isn't something that they've 446 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.039 done for years. Maybe maybe this is their first time they're going to be 447 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.240 sore, I would imagine. But for those who have to go to work 448 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.480 on Monday, they can't just lay around and rest any any tips for those 449 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:02.359 that you know that you know, we're going to hope to be back to 450 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:06.079 normal as soon as possible. Easier said than done, of course, no, 451 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:11.160 absolutely. So it's interesting, you know, Louisville, the state of 452 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.240 Kentucky, to my knowledge, has now narrowed the number of marathons they have 453 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.759 to this particular one. If you remember, there used to be one in 454 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.000 the fall. I ran in it one year. Used to meet over there 455 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:25.720 at the the VA Hospital and office orn and that was a fun one because 456 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:27.200 it wasn't many people in and most of the people in from out of state. 457 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.319 You know, you've got so many of these crazies that are trying to 458 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:32.839 do one marathon in every state, and some are trying to do one in 459 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.559 every country in Europe, and if you had those numbers up, it's well 460 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:40.000 over one hundred. Wow. So you get all kinds to your question. 461 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:44.960 Some are very experienced marathon ers, so they know how to train, and 462 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.519 then they get to a point where they know how to survive after the marathon, 463 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.559 which is why you see the you know, the wraps that they place 464 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.559 themselves in keep their bodies warm, and then you've got to go into ice 465 00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:59.359 and you've had to do ice baths all the time for the next you know, 466 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:02.680 several hours on and off for the next you know, call it eight 467 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:07.079 to twelve hours. The amateurs that do it are actually quite more five because 468 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.440 they're more likely, as you said, to do the mini and the training 469 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:12.960 for these is now sort of you know, there's been enough research that people 470 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:15.480 know how to train for them. You do, you know, you build 471 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.240 up to five miles, and then every other week you go up two miles 472 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.039 until you know, you get to the point of the mini marathon about three 473 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:23.880 weeks before it, you do let's say eleven miles or ten miles. You 474 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:29.720 never technically go to the thirteen point one. That's the formula. So if 475 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.519 you're a marathon training, you might get up to seventeen miles, but then 476 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.279 the day of the marathon, you're going to you know, you're going to 477 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:41.160 the twenty four miles. So it's really it's really a proven formula because they 478 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.519 never run that full distance until the day of the mini or the marathon. 479 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.200 And I'm talking about the average person here, not the elite runner. They're 480 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.079 going to be sore to your point, and they need to go into a 481 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:57.799 cryotherapy booth, a tent, whatever the case may be. And not only 482 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.759 on the physical part of it, but on the internal medicine part of it. 483 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.359 They need to make sure they recarb you know. That's why Perogi's and 484 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.599 all these kind of things are very very common. They carb before it, 485 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.920 they carve after, and then they have their reserves and so it's and that's 486 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:18.039 not something to just monitor that that's really important right now. Absolutely, And 487 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:22.240 what's fascinating is, you know, you see all kinds of body shapes in 488 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.160 marathon, like as many and I encourage everybody in the city of Louisville has 489 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.799 just absolutely supported this event. Is always my favorite run was always a mini 490 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:36.039 marathon because of the support of the Louisville community. But you see the body 491 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:37.640 sizes of all types. But it just goes to show you that anybody could 492 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.720 do it with the proper training. But you better carb load beforehand, you 493 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:48.920 better have prepared and followed a pretty good formula because marathon running and long distance 494 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.880 running suffers what we call the too many too many's, too hard, too 495 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:57.000 much, too often, and too much compounding pressure, and the combination of 496 00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.559 them causes all kinds of aches, pain, spraying, and strains, and 497 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.359 people want to just you know, respect that they can take an anti inflammatory 498 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.519 and maybe a little bit of ice. No, that's not it at all. 499 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.400 You really really have to be thoughtful. There's a lot of sports medicine 500 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.920 crew out there that are sponsors of the races and that we'll do massages and 501 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.559 that we'll oversee people's health after they cross the finish line. But it is 502 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.559 a site. It looks like they're gonna have great weather for it. You 503 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:23.759 know, you want to be cool. You want to be in the in 504 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.559 the forties when they start, hopefully, and that plays a big bearing as 505 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:32.480 well, because you have the whole dehydration element. You couldn't have said it 506 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.079 better. I uh, not just the you know, the mini marathons that 507 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.079 I've ran, but you know, I've done the ten miler that's a part 508 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.359 of the Triple Crown. I mean, that's probably my favorite race just through 509 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.160 the course of what it is. And you know, I'd be humbled to 510 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:45.519 feel like I had a really good time and see somebody that is a lot 511 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.599 older than me, a lot larger than me, and they kicked my ass. 512 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.039 Man, they beat me by you know, two minutes per mile maybe, 513 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:53.200 which you know, it's you're right, and if you train for it 514 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.960 and you're prepared and it's become something you have a lot of rep set and 515 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.319 you know you can you can do it, all right. One more question 516 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:01.200 for you, Larry before we let you go, and I appreciate your time 517 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:05.799 as always. When it comes to these college basketball college well really just college 518 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.200 athletics programs out there, when they take on a player, whether be a 519 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.599 transfer or a high school kid, obviously you know you're going to do your 520 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.400 standard physicals like everybody gets. But how often do you see, you know, 521 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:21.799 a medical evaluation kind of request that appears to be really one that they 522 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.519 want to make sure everything's okay. Not just your standard that you have to 523 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:28.960 have, but a program, a coach wants to make sure that before they 524 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.079 take on this player as a commit that they have a good bill of health 525 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.400 and that their injury history is not, you know, more severe than they've 526 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:38.000 been led to believe. Now that's a great question. So let's contrast it 527 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:43.160 with professional sports. So when somebody goes through a trade, it almost always 528 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:49.920 has the proviso subject to them passing a physical right the NCAA for a variety 529 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.400 of reasons, and some of these are well thought through. They don't have 530 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:58.839 a standard physical that an athlete has to pass. It's left to each institution 531 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.240 to kind of do their own thing. And you also have to remember these 532 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:06.599 student athletes are not employees of the university, so they have no workers comp 533 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.720 coverage, and that's got its own set of issues. And I think we've 534 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:13.759 talked about a little bit of that on your show. But now you throw 535 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.640 at IL and now you throw a third party, a collective by way of 536 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:22.079 example, or a vendor, you know, a commercial business that says I 537 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.160 am going to contract and pay this amount of money. In theory, they 538 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.319 can make whatever demands they want. You know, they set up whatever payment 539 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.720 terms. A lot of people are a little bit misinformed on this because generally, 540 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.559 you know, now it's the wild West. But you can set your 541 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.160 contract terms anyway you want. You can say we're only going to pay you 542 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:43.039 this through the three or four or five months that you play and practice, 543 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.799 versus thinking that you know they're getting a steady paycheck. They're an independent contractor, 544 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.559 you're a contractor. You could set the terms of that and in theory 545 00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:53.079 to your point, Nick, and I think you'll see some of this. 546 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.160 You know, you got a place like Memphis putting in five million dollars a 547 00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.599 year for five years. I mean, you would think they'd want to have 548 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.519 some parometers. Sure, parameters are around physicals, whether or not a kid 549 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.719 is physically equipped to them. It'll set up a crazy dynamic between the university, 550 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:14.119 the athletic department and a vendor. But you know, this is just 551 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.119 kind of the nebulous, crazy, you know world that we're living in right 552 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.639 now. Larry is always appreciate the time, great conversation as always, and 553 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:23.280 enjoy the rest of your day and we will talk soon. My friend, 554 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:28.199 absolutely, go cards, Go cards. That's doctor Larry Benn's pro re have 555 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.679 physical therapy, good stuff. As always, quick Break will come back and 556 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.480 wrap up the four o'clock hour, keep the party rolling along here, Coffee 557 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:39.440 and company. Feel about Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety Not much time left 558 00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.840 here as we wrap up the four o'clock hour, but we are going to, 559 00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.159 as always, try to finish strong here with one more hour to go 560 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:50.719 and a loaded text line that I've neglected, so I will get to those 561 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.599 techs coming up here in the five o'clock hour, and the excitement that I 562 00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:00.000 have for Louisville basketball just seeing this roster come together, and really, more 563 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.679 than anything, as much as I think these players are going to be good 564 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.239 additions and really give Pat Kelsey a chance to have a great start to his 565 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:13.760 hopefully very long tenure here at Louisville, I think the root of Louisville fans, 566 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:20.199 myself included, the root of the happiness here is just that it's you 567 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.400 forgot what it was like. I mean, it's I think it's a recognizable 568 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:27.599 feeling, but man, it had been a while, been a long time, 569 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.079 and this maybe this isn't part of it because it's just so far gone, 570 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.840 But you know this is the first time you can actually, I mean 571 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.719 in previous years when Louisville would really have momentum and put something together, right, 572 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.960 you got a good team coming back. You you know, you brought 573 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:47.320 in a really good class. You know, you brought back the like I 574 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.599 think the last time Louisville basketball felt really, really, really good entering a 575 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:57.079 season was the obvious twenty nineteen twenty season when MAC had them ranked number one 576 00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.679 in the country for a little while. And you know, make no mistake 577 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.000 about it, that team will be a forgotten team due to a variety of 578 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.480 reasons, the pandemic, no postseason, and I think the MAC era honestly 579 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.199 will kind of go down as a blur. You know, there were some 580 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:13.079 really good moments throughout there, but I mean, it'll kind of just be 581 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:19.079 a blur. So that season, though, I mean, Louisville was preseason 582 00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.519 number three, number four, depending on where you looked, and we felt 583 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.079 justified because again at that point, the reason Louisville was looked at to be 584 00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.840 so good was because they brought I mean, you get they brought back their 585 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.400 entire team that was pretty good and kind of overachieved in year one and then 586 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.559 you bring in a good transfer in fresh Kimball and then if you remember that 587 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:43.400 class, I believe, yeah, the class with I mean, it's wild 588 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:47.480 how all those guys kind of finished their careers, but that class was the 589 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:51.960 top ten class with David Johnson, Jalen Withers, Sam Williamson, those guys. 590 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.920 So you know, that's the last time there was an offseason where managers 591 00:36:53.920 --> 00:37:00.880 felt awesome. But even then, well, I mean, I can't speak 592 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:04.360 for anybody but myself, but even then, knowing how awesome that was and 593 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:08.199 just how great it, well, I think the the surprise feeling there was 594 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.760 that we just didn't really know how life would be without Patino. Well, 595 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:15.559 then within a couple of years of Patino being gone, Louisville was in really 596 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:21.159 good shape. So you know, it was almost like you didn't expect to 597 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.119 feel that good early on in that tenure, and it was great. But 598 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.719 even throughout that great time, in the back of my mind, it was 599 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.800 hard to ignore it. Every now and then that you felt like you had 600 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:34.800 a big punishment coming right death penalty, which was never realistic. But I'd 601 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.639 say most lovel fans felt like there was at least going to be a postseason 602 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.000 band that was handed down to you, so that just you know that weigh 603 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.480 in on you here and there could get in the way of your joy. 604 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.599 And then of course she got you know, I mean, wasn't a postseason 605 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:50.039 band that n SAA gave you, but you know, the obvious ending of 606 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.079 the mac era and then Kenny Payne experience, so like, it's really been 607 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:58.079 a long time where you can just dream big without having to worry about things 608 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.760 out of your control. So they're not close to finishing the roster just yet, 609 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:07.800 but so far, so good, and it just feels nice to be 610 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.840 excited like this again, and and you know it'd be justified. Now maybe 611 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.840 some would say it's not justified. You guys are losing your mind. When 612 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.800 I say you guys, I mean I guess UK fans talking about little fans. 613 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.400 But that's fine, you know. That's why I really do think that 614 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.559 despite both teams being in a similar situation with a new coach, that in 615 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:29.320 it. You know, if you'd have told each fan base six weeks ago 616 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.719 there's going to be a new coach, all of us on both sides would 617 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.360 have lost our minds if you told us it would be kat Pat Kelsey for 618 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:39.519 Louisville Mark Pope for Kentucky. Right, So that's a similar situation there, 619 00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:45.239 building an entirely new team, similar situation there, But the big difference is 620 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:51.480 that Kentucky, fortunately for them, have had success recently. They just got 621 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:55.000 bounced in the tournament and they've you know, their standard had fallen a little 622 00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.920 bit. But let's be real. I mean they were a three They were 623 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:02.000 a three seed this year. So Pope maybe he has that good of a 624 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:06.719 year, but like, there's not gonna be a they're gonna be an adjustment 625 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.400 period where they're gonna just be patient. They'll be more patient with Pope than 626 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:12.159 they would others because you know, he's Mark Pope and he's one of their 627 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.960 own. But with Louisville, like Pat Kelcey, I mean, he's not 628 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:22.360 only going to substantially eclipse the win total for Kenny Payne in his one season 629 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.440 that Kenny had in two, but I mean the bar like the bar's low. 630 00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.559 Like things that we wouldn't put it this way, things that we would 631 00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:31.880 never used to get excited about, We're gonna get way more excited about than 632 00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.679 we ever, than than we thought possible, because it's just been so long 633 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.800 since. When was the last time Louisville played a really good game against a 634 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:44.039 decent team in one and look good doing it? And it happened, you 635 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.239 know, at a time you know where the season wasn't already shot. So 636 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:51.039 good vibes, no doubt. Our number five on the way will keep the 637 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.119 good vibes rolling along. It's coffee and company. Feel about Thorton's that' say 638 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:57.679 our number five, you did our number three. See I'm losing my mind. 639 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.280 It's what's happening here. It's our number three. It's the five clock 640 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:07.880 hour next Hm