WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:40.600 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, Hi, 2 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:45.039 how are you. It's good to see you. Yeah. A lot 3 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:51.159 of people question the use of psychedelics and they wonder why why people like Graham 4 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:58.759 Hancock and other people are taking ayahuasca. Years ago, as a program director, 5 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:04.359 I travel old with Terrence McKenna, who was a huge advocate of MT 6 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:12.319 cannabis, which I am a fan of, and other psychedelic drugs for inner 7 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:19.799 journeying or inner discovery. By the way, I really urge you to get 8 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:26.239 McKenna's book that has been so influential for so many people. It's called Food 9 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:32.680 of the Gods, The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge, and it 10 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:38.239 was written in the late nineteen eighties, but oh my god, what an 11 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:44.920 amazing read. And he describes these these different intelligences, these different beings that 12 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:51.799 he encounters using DMT and other psychedelics. And since that time a lot of 13 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:59.760 people have hailed McKenna as a genius for forgiving us a sense of use of 14 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:06.480 this and perhaps have you know, and he has influenced a number of important 15 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:14.120 people in their research of ayahuasca. One of these people is doctor Rick Strassman, 16 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:17.759 who we've had on this program a number of times. And Strassman did 17 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:25.840 studies with subjects, with patients in a controlled environment where he gave them doses 18 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:32.560 of DMT, and they reported all kinds of experiences. And one of the 19 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:40.759 things that I found quite interesting and also way back in the nineties with mckinna, 20 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:46.879 is the fact that when you're using this powerful drug, it shifts your 21 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:55.759 perception and perhaps your reality into other zones and you're communicating with other beings. 22 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:08.360 And mckinna regularly reported on communicating there was advice given. Unfortunately, DMT has 23 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:15.599 a short shelf life or short reaction life, and it's only good for perhaps 24 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:20.919 fifteen to twenty minutes, and this makes it difficult to bring back a lot. 25 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:25.759 And one of the problems with DMT is it's so powerful that it's really 26 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:32.599 a challenge to remember what the hell is going on and bring back any data. 27 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:40.159 But Graham Hancock's been a whole book called Visionary describing what appears to be 28 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:47.319 an annual ayahuasca journey, where he is, over a period of a few 29 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:57.319 days, dosing himself with ayahuasca, and those are typically longer journeys, an 30 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:02.639 hour or more, and I haven't used dayahwasca. I'm kind of afraid to 31 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:06.240 use it. I have to use it before I leave the planet. I've 32 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:12.879 determined that I'm going to definitely give it a shot and try it. But 33 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.759 you know, when we talk of about Rick Strassman's work, and by the 34 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:21.319 way, if you want to really get a good book, get DMT The 35 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:30.600 Spirit Molecule, where he describes his patients communicating with different aliens, different beings 36 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:38.879 on different reality levels. And this fascinated him to no end, and he 37 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:43.199 continued his work. And actually I don't know. I think when we had 38 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:47.839 him on last year he had stopped the research, but he was also working 39 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:55.360 with other clinics and this is part of our program today where he is collaborating 40 00:04:56.040 --> 00:05:03.720 with other people, other clinics to determine just how far this psychedelic will work. 41 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:10.160 Now, my guest today is doctor Andrew Gillimore, who has written a 42 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:17.000 fascinating book called Alien Information Theory, Psychic Drug Technologies, and the Cosmic Game. 43 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:23.920 And what makes Andrew's work it's just so fascinating, is the fact that 44 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:33.480 he can provide a client with an infusion of dmteeth a intravenous drip and keep 45 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:41.439 the experience going for an hour or more. Now, it's a special person 46 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:45.439 who wants to volunteer to be high for an hour for an hour, but 47 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:50.839 as we'll here today in this interview, there are conditions that allow the individual 48 00:05:51.040 --> 00:06:04.560 to quickly disengage from the experience and and stop the sensations, stop the high. 49 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:09.079 What I really want you to listen to, though, is the fact 50 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:17.839 that these individuals who are in Gilmour's program are having full on communications with aliens. 51 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:24.399 Now, we don't know if it's aliens in the sense of grays or 52 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:30.319 the or the reptilians or whoever is out there, but what we do know 53 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:40.000 is that the information that is being delivered is profound. That in many cases, 54 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:46.920 these these entities are communicating in fifth, sixth, seventh, tenth dimensional 55 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:58.040 realities. They're they're showing the experiencers different objects, different machines, different data, 56 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:04.439 and trying to have the individual come back to Earth with the information. 57 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:10.480 Now, one of the things that is a challenge, and we'll hear about 58 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:15.720 this today, is the fact that when you're using DMT, your memory is 59 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:26.720 altered and it takes a lot to come back with any data of substance other 60 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:35.279 than a few paragraphs or thoughts of the interaction. This new work, I 61 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:44.439 think, is a possible pathway to bringing in new technology, new thinking, 62 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:49.879 perhaps new devices, in the same way that our scientists have an epiphany, 63 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:58.639 have a dream, or have a Aha moment where they develop a new drug, 64 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:03.199 a new product, than new device, or as Tesla would think, 65 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:11.399 a new machine of some kind that is functional in our reality. We had 66 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.879 we had to go back to visionary Graham Hancock's book where he describes shamans using 67 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:24.399 psychedelics to speak with the gods, but also very possibly to bring back data 68 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.480 that moves us forward, that that takes us to the next level, that 69 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:39.799 that helps us in some capacity evolve. And is this an actual possibility of 70 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:46.279 data being used in a positive manner to help us move to the next stage 71 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:52.200 in our evolution? Very impossible, very much possible. The only thing is 72 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.919 that our scientists, for the most part, at least we don't we think, 73 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:05.200 are not taking psychedelics. So is this a way to accelerate our growth? 74 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.360 It sure looks like it, and doctor Gilmour's work offers us a lot 75 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:18.440 of possible solutions for quickening the pace, quickening the journey of Earth humans and 76 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:28.519 maybe moving us into a space age where data is provided by our community or 77 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:35.679 offerable beings that is retained and helps us move to the next level and evolution. 78 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:41.679 So we can only wonder what our ancestors were telling us when we look 79 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:46.279 at these cave paintings. Now, a lot of people feel that a paintings 80 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:54.720 were distorted reality and that many of them may be evidence of psychedelic journeys that 81 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:03.320 these shaman were taking. And the data that we interpret looks very sophisticated, 82 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:09.440 but who knows, they may be just observing their reality, you know. 83 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:16.080 I mean, some people interpret some of the coloring as very sophisticated in facts 84 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:30.279 is sophisticated as modern day color palettes of an artist, and many interpreting anthropologists 85 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:37.639 or archaeologists or scientists in general are saying that this is a form of evolution, 86 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:46.879 highly advanced, only available in current artistic presentations. But I don't know. 87 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.480 I don't know if it's because they were on a hallucinogen, if they 88 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:56.320 were tapping in somewhere, We don't know. But again, our program today 89 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:07.159 with doctor Gilmore makes us think about the use of DMT as a roadmap to 90 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:15.799 connecting with other consciousnesses. And this could be a way to tap in to 91 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:24.919 evolution, tap into new technologies, new devices, new sciences that can make 92 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:31.519 our life better. And the other thing that you'll hear is some of these 93 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:39.240 interviews that he gives of these patients that are on these drip DMT sessions do 94 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:46.759 identify themselves as alien beings. Now again, you won't hear the grays. 95 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:52.879 You won't hear a specific race of beings. But perhaps they've evolved beyond the 96 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:58.000 physical and they are gaseous or spiritual, they have no bodies. Maybe they're 97 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:03.559 just consciousness. And I've always wondered about this as well as a lot of 98 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:09.240 other people. So today's program is an interesting one. It is an interview 99 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.000 that was done at content in the desert. There were so many great people 100 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.480 of contact in the desert. And if you get a chance to go next 101 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.879 year, go come out to California. I'll be there. I hope to 102 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.480 be there. I'm hoping to be earthing in destiny or hoping to be sponsors 103 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.399 again. It was a lot of fun. Come out and join the program. 104 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:35.080 This is really a cutting edge program. You can't get sixty plus speakers 105 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.399 under one roof for three or four days. In any other place in the 106 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:45.080 world. It's just too complex. But it's a great program. Content in 107 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.600 the desert and I had a blast. And this is one of the interviews 108 00:12:48.639 --> 00:13:07.679 I did with doctor Andrew Gilmore and the talk is alien information theory. Hey, 109 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.320 this is Cliff Dunning and Ed Barnhardt inviting you to join us November tenth 110 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.879 to the seventeenth as we visit and explore Mexico. This is your opportunity to 111 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:24.799 come and join us for a week of exploration, fun and sites that you 112 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:30.600 will not typically go. What's unique about Polenki ed Polenk is a beautiful site, 113 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.879 but what people normally see is just a fraction. I know where all 114 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.720 the hidden temples are out there in the jungle, and I'm going to bring 115 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.279 us there. Amazing, all right. For more information go to Earth Ancients 116 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:46.080 dot com, Forward Slash Tours t O U r S. Come out and 117 00:13:46.159 --> 00:14:33.879 join editing myself for one week of fun, adventure and exploration. Hey, 118 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:39.639 well we're here at Contact in the desert, and I gotta tell you it 119 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:46.519 is a wonderful event. And my guest today is Andrew Gilmour and we have 120 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:52.120 been. I have actually been studying his work, which I find is brilliant. 121 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.879 And Andrew, Welcome to Earth Ancients. It's great to see you. 122 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.840 Thanks for having me. Great to be here. Real quickly, you came 123 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:05.879 from Japan. What is the interest intrigue in Japan of all places for a 124 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:09.639 researcher of your ELK. Yeah, a lot of people ask that question, 125 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:18.120 like, um, Japan has this reputation for being extremely strict, shall we 126 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.399 say, with regards to drugs. But actually Japan they tend to focus on 127 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:28.799 cannabis weirdly for historical reasons, and meth amphetamine for other historical reasons. They 128 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:37.879 have good reasons to not like meth because Japanese in the past have been notorious 129 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:41.919 meth users. So they're very strict with those two drugs in particular. But 130 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:50.440 psychedelics, Um, it's not the main focus shall we say, of Japanese 131 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:56.120 government and law law enforcements. And certainly there's freedom, full freedom of expression 132 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:58.759 in Japan, so I can I can write and say what I like. 133 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:03.960 Um, you know, I don't break any laws. So it's a perfect 134 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:08.960 environment for me in Tokyo to be writing. Tokyo is a strange bizarre, 135 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:15.080 complex, fascinating city. So it's a good place to be writing about the 136 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:18.440 kind of things that I write about. And you actually do note that you 137 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:25.519 worked with or you were part of the staff at Okinawa Institute. Was that 138 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.919 were some of the studies were done that you know? Well, yeah, 139 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:34.240 so I was a research scientist, a computational neurobiologist in the Okinaw Institute of 140 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:38.960 Science Technology, so in the south, the smaller subtropical island and south of 141 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:45.960 Japan. But I was doing purely kind of theoretical, mathematical and computational modeling 142 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.840 work there. But the actual DMT studies and humans have all been done in 143 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:56.559 the UK and in Europe and now in the United States as well, so 144 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:03.000 I don't actually inject people with DMT. Fascinating. We've had Rick Strassman on 145 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.680 the show number of times, and his earlier work in studies of the DMT 146 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:17.079 molecule are fascinating and we've learned a great deal from him. You've worked with 147 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:23.079 him in certain capacities and actually taken his work to a new level. Where 148 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:30.599 do you where does Strassman's work end in your work began with his research? 149 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:37.200 Yes, so, so Rick did the world's largest study of DMT and humans 150 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.759 back in the early nineties. You have like sixty volunteers. You did injected 151 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.680 with dmpty a number of times. So he used what kind of a traditional 152 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:51.440 approach to drug administration. He injected them with what's called a bolus injection, 153 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:56.599 so all of the drug in basically at once, which gave them the typical 154 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:03.599 characteristic DMT trip, which is extremely intense other reality. You're hurtled into this 155 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:10.359 alternate reality filled with intelligent beings, and you're therefore maybe five minutes, you 156 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.160 know, until you start being dragged out again. So it's a very brief 157 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:19.480 trip, but still fascinating, and lots of incredible trip reports came out of 158 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:26.039 that study in the nineties. But what I wanted to do was actually extend 159 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:32.759 that trip to try and draw it out, to kind of use this continuous 160 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:37.880 infusion of DMT directly into the bloodstream so that you can maintain a brain DMT 161 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:42.559 concentration over time, and so you can rather than just you know, five 162 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:48.039 to ten minutes, this could be extended for an hour or two hours, 163 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.480 or you know, as long as you want. Really. So it was 164 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.880 actually Rick's data from his so he had this blood sampling data, so when 165 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:02.440 these participants in the nineties were under the influence of DMT, he would take 166 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:06.319 blood samples and measure the DMT concentration. So we had these kind of plots 167 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:11.960 of DMT brain blood concentration over time, so we use that data. So 168 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.880 that's kind of why we started working together. I emailed Rick and said, 169 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:21.079 I have this idea for extending this DMT state too much longer. Do you 170 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:25.359 have this data that was published in one of your papers, And fortunately he 171 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.759 had it tucked away in some hard drive or something, so he sent me 172 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:34.240 this xcel file with all of this blood data and I went ahead and sort 173 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:40.359 of used it to build this mathematical model of the way that DMT has distributed 174 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:45.319 and metabolized and excreted, and we use that to develop this target controlled intravenous 175 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:52.680 infusion model. So this technology repurposed from anesthesiology to maintain a stable brain DMT 176 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:57.640 concentration. So that was in two thousand and sixteen we published that proof of 177 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:03.640 principal idea. But it's been picked up now by a number of groups, 178 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:11.440 most recently the Imperial College Psychedelic Research Group in London. One of the world's 179 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.480 leading psychedelic research groups, and they've just completed study in humans, a small 180 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:22.200 study with ten or eleven participants holding them. They were able to stabilize this 181 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:27.880 DMT experience for thirty minutes or thirty minute infusion. There's a team in Basel 182 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:33.119 and Switzerland who have just published very recently, in the last couple of weeks, 183 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.039 we're able to stabilize the state for ninety minutes and there seems to be 184 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:41.359 no limit to that, so this could be extended much further. I have 185 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:48.000 to ask you, though, putting someone under for an hour with DMT in 186 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.960 the beginning, it might be fun, but at some point when you're in 187 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:55.799 this experience, you may want to be let out. Can you release the 188 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:59.599 person if they're having stress? Absolutely? Yes. Okay, so it's not 189 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.119 like, okay, you're locked and loaded, buddy, we're not gonna let 190 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:06.079 you go. No. That's what's kind of beautiful about the technology. It's 191 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:10.400 not like with LSD or something where you give them the drug and then you're 192 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:18.119 in there for the long haul whatever, whatever the consequences might be, whether 193 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:19.960 it's a good trip or a bad trip. With d MTX, because it's 194 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:25.640 such a short acting drug. You can withdraw the infusion very quickly. They 195 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:29.799 will come start coming down almost immediately. Oh so yeah, you might. 196 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:36.319 I don't know what technically, might have a safe word or something I've had 197 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:45.319 enough, Yeah, something like that. Okay, fascinating Our ancestors used ayahuasca. 198 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.119 Yes, And Graham Hancock, who's an advocate of yours, a very 199 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:56.519 pro of your work. I think we've talked to others that this is a 200 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:02.920 form of evolution in that because they were to leave their body at the present 201 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:08.599 time or the time they took ayahuasca, and actually we're speaking with these entities 202 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:15.440 may have absorbed certain bits of information. Graham kind of presents that a little 203 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:23.359 bit in his book Visionary. But I'm curious about your feelings of how DMT 204 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:32.160 may have been used previously other than shamanistic method. Yeah. So, I 205 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.599 mean, yeah, you're right. So DMT use in humans goes back probably 206 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:38.880 thousands of years. You know, ayahuasca is a form of technology. It's 207 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:44.319 a it's a jungle technology, it's a it's two plants minimally that you have 208 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:48.480 to mix together in order to make DMT or really active. But there are 209 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:56.519 other sources of DMT that have been used as well. These snuffs cohoba yopo, 210 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:03.480 these ground up seed paul that are used as a snuff, so they're 211 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:10.599 forcefully blown into your nostrils. This is another form of technology, very unpleasant 212 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.599 by all accounts. Yeah, I've seen that doesn't look comfortable. Yeah, 213 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:18.720 like a blow dart, Like like a yard long forcefully explosively blown up into 214 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:23.839 your nostrils by another person. I mean, it's awful. So fortunately we 215 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:30.799 seem to have discovered or developed much more efficient ways of actually using DMT. 216 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:34.680 Now, going back to the nineteen fifties, when we when Steven Zara, 217 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:42.880 this Hungarian physician, first synthesized DMT and injected it into himself to test its 218 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:49.319 psychedelic effects. And you know that that's where it all started with his first 219 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:56.079 subjects, his first study of DMT in human volunteers. And from those very 220 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.519 first studies, people were starting to see these entities, you know, the 221 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:04.279 these spirits or gods that these indigenous peoples have been describing for thousands of years. 222 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:10.440 They made an appearance in the very first studies in this hospital room, 223 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:18.960 in this clinic. So since then, obviously DMT has become more and more 224 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:26.400 popular. Now and once Rick Strasman became involved with his study and published his 225 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:32.960 DMT The Spirit Molecule, it's become even more popular. And of course Terrence 226 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:41.640 McKenna this his wonderful oratory an exposition on DMT. I mean that is again 227 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:47.759 has never been, never been rivaled. I think so. Yeah. His 228 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:52.720 descriptions of the entities and the machinales are things of legend now, and they 229 00:24:52.759 --> 00:25:00.599 really are. And I see this DMTX technology as being the natural, the 230 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:11.960 natural progression from these jungle technologies through to twentieth century technology which was vaporizing this 231 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:17.279 molecule in a small glass pipe or injecting it. And I see this continuous 232 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:23.039 infusion as the natural progression. I treat DMT as a as a technology. 233 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:27.160 I don't see it as a drug. I see it as a molecular technology 234 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:34.000 for switching your reality channel, for establishing communication with these intelligences, these advanced 235 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:38.720 intelligences which reside within this space. I want to talk about those intelligences in 236 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:44.319 detail in a minute. Here in the introduction of your book, you quote 237 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:52.480 mckinna who says, the main thing is understand is that we are imprisoned in 238 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.039 some kind of work of art. What do you think he meant by that? 239 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:00.640 And as that statement you kind of bring around continually is kind of the 240 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.519 theme of the book. Your book, by the way, is alien information 241 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:11.279 theory wonderful? Thank you? Yeah, so that that when I first read 242 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:17.240 that statement, it perplexed me. I wasn't quite sure. I felt that 243 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:21.640 there was something really deep and profound about that statement, the idea that we 244 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.640 are imprisoned in some kind of work of art. And I spend a lot 245 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:29.400 of time thinking about it. And when you go into the DMT space, 246 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:36.359 there is this real, undeniable, unshakable sense that you are entering a constructed 247 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:45.119 realm, a place that has been built by an intelligence of immense proportions, 248 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:51.680 so we say, And so it feels like we are indeed normally trapped within 249 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:57.920 a lower dimensional slice of a much larger and more complex structure. And DMT 250 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.839 grants us ten perary brief access to this larger, higher dimensional structure filled with 251 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:10.519 these intelligences. So that's kind of how I see this work of art, 252 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:15.880 this cosmic game, or this cosmic joke as some people like to refer to 253 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.880 it, that we are indeed like a work of art. You know that 254 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:30.000 this realm has been constructed in some way by some intelligence that is vastly more 255 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:37.480 capable than ours, much further along the progression of technological and cognitive cognitive advancement. 256 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:45.759 So that's I think what Terrence was getting at there. I think that 257 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:51.480 feeling when you enter the DMT space, of this vast intelligence, of the 258 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:56.839 fact that we are indeed trapped in this lower dimensional slice of reality. So 259 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.799 you talk a great deal about the break and I've seen a couple of your 260 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:06.799 YouTube videos which are excellent, where you have these diagrams of how the brain 261 00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:12.640 functions, how it categorizes things, and how you've charted its different paths. 262 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:23.200 Is you're suggesting that we're at a certain level, born into this certain level. 263 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:32.880 DMT elevates us into multi levels. Apparently, do we control that on 264 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:37.680 some level when we're using DMT, or is it more that DMT gives us 265 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.759 an opportunity to explore it, but we have no control. I think we 266 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:48.279 have limited control. Certainly at the moment, we're kind of at the mercy 267 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:56.359 of the experience. This is you are hurtled into this realm and hurried around. 268 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:03.519 It is a very dynamic experience, and people find themselves highly disoriented, 269 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:10.839 unable to control the experience. But with experience, people do seem to develop 270 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.759 an ability to orient themselves to kind of get their intellective tools in order once 271 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:22.160 they're enter the space, and this DMTX technology also seems to allow the state 272 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.440 to stabilize to some extent. Once the brain kind of get gets used to 273 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:33.079 or settles into constructing this alternate reality model, things start to settle down. 274 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.759 It's you know, you're switching. You're very rapidly kind of switching the reality 275 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:42.039 channel. Your brain is switching from constructing the normal waking world to constructing this 276 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:49.240 completely different reality model. And it's not surprising that at first this is a 277 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.680 bit jarring, this kind of roller coaster phase, and it takes time for 278 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.960 your brain to kind of settle, I think, and normally with a normal 279 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.920 DMT trip, because it's so short, you don't have that opportunity for it 280 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.640 to settle and to stabilize because you're already on the way out. As as 281 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:11.319 it's starting to stabilize and you're starting to orient yourself and starting to communicate with 282 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.279 some beings within the space, and then you're dragged back out into the norwaking 283 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:19.480 world, and what we're seeing with this DMTX technology is that it does over 284 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:25.160 time, over several minutes normally as you would be just coming out of the 285 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.880 experience. You're held there, of course, and it allows the state to 286 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:36.279 stabilize and people can then orient themselves and work out how to navigate to move 287 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:41.839 through the space with intent. Obviously they're disembodied, they don't have their arms 288 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:47.200 and legs to carry them, so they have to use directed intent to move 289 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:51.119 through the space. It's funny you mentioned intension. This is kind of a 290 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:56.000 new new it's been used for their kides, but in the last ten years 291 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:02.359 on the cannabis side, for people that have a real positive experience, the 292 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:11.200 suggestions are too intentionally wish on a positive experience. And I'm wondering when DMT 293 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.720 is used, if this is kind of like a software application where you use 294 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:22.720 I intend for this to happen. I intend for this entity that I've already 295 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:29.000 spoken with to come back and speak with mead that does that fit into absolute 296 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:34.240 experience? Absolutely? Yeah. So what's clear to those who are are experienced 297 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:44.880 at dmts generally to have positive intent and that means humility, respect, reverence, 298 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:53.599 not those kind of slightly human typical characteristics of arrogance and thinking that we 299 00:31:53.759 --> 00:32:00.240 know more than we do going in there with the leaf that we're going to 300 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:06.799 control the space, or that we know about the structure of the space, 301 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:10.119 or that we have a good hand along and what these beings are, because 302 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:15.519 we don't, we don't really know. We can speculate, and I've done 303 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:19.839 a lot of speculating on this topic, but ultimately we don't know. We're 304 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:28.319 going there not really knowing what these beings are, where they're from, where 305 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.319 they're located, you know, what is their origin or nature, what is 306 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:37.240 our relationship to them, and they're hyperdimensional domain and that kind of thing. 307 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:45.400 So as long as you go there with that positive respect and reverence and humility, 308 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.480 that can massively increase the probability that you're going to have a positive interaction. 309 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.559 I think your working, Andrew, is so amazing simply because you are 310 00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:02.480 passing these subjects into a new dimension, a new reality, and they're coming 311 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:08.079 back and reporting what they're experiencing with you, so that you begin to tell 312 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:14.359 me if this is how it's working. You're developing a protocol that's constantly evolving 313 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.680 in the levels of these people who are achieving. Is that kind of the 314 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.160 yes. I mean, the infusion technology is just the beginning. It's just 315 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:30.519 the tool that we use. It's kind of like deep sea diving. I 316 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:35.359 imagine, I kind of compare it to the difference between regular open water scuba 317 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:42.000 and deep sea diving. Right, you don't shift from being an open water 318 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.599 getting your open water license and then say I'm going to go deep sea diving 319 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:50.880 tomorrow. That requires a period, an extensive period of training and special equipment 320 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.000 to keep you safe, right, to keep you alive at the bottom of 321 00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.400 the ocean. But that's not the purpose of the equipment is simply to keep 322 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:06.279 you alive at the at these deep levels. But the ultimate aim is to 323 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:15.920 explore deep down and to develop the tools and that the training for exploring and 324 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:22.360 navigating these deep sea realms. While we're doing the same thing with DMT. 325 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:28.559 Now we have the technology. The DMTX infusion technology is just that, it's 326 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:32.840 just a tool to allow the individual to be held within the DMT space. 327 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:38.559 It opens up then an entire new field of research and an entire new world, 328 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:46.679 literally, a vast, incomprehensively vast and complex alternate world that is opened 329 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:54.920 up for much more thorough and detailed analysis and exploration and communication. You can 330 00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:02.760 think of one hundred different experiments or research projects it could be done having this 331 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.760 DMTX technology. Yeah, especially when you're communicating with beings of other dimensions and 332 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.280 they're going, hey, what are you doing here? And by the way, 333 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.760 here's some data and this is my world. Is it get to that 334 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.639 exploration level? Absolutely? Yes, wonderful. Yeah. And people do describe 335 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:27.119 meeting the same entities in multiple sessions. So they will undergo an infusion session, 336 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.440 establish communication with a particular entity, and then two weeks later when they 337 00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.480 come back for the next infusion, the same entity will be there and you're 338 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:42.119 back. So it's it's not like you have to do everything with one entity 339 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.480 in one session. You can establish a kind of relationship over time and meet 340 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:50.880 the same entity every time you go back and continue where you left off. 341 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:57.679 So cool, it's so cool. Give us if you can a case, 342 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:07.280 steady brief where someone went and met an entity at a dimension and what was 343 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.639 presented to them. It was there details on the place they were at. 344 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.280 Yeah, So I mean there are many cases. I mean, in this 345 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.199 most recent study in London Imperial we did an interview actually with some of the 346 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:25.599 panelists with I co moderated it with with Graham Hancock and Rick Strasman, and 347 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:34.679 they what's kind of a common experience is for the entities to want to they're 348 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.800 very keen to show you things, like they want you to understand, but 349 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:43.000 it's really difficult for people to understand what they're trying to tell them. So 350 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.360 they often were shown things. That's how they do it. They tend to 351 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:53.559 communicate visually. So one of the participants described these entities. He was he 352 00:36:53.719 --> 00:37:00.800 found himself laid on his back, and there were several entities around him, 353 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.920 like looked like a family of different ages, different sizes, and they were 354 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.800 checking, first of all, if there was a chord at the back of 355 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.599 his head. They were checking if he was still, if you'd, you 356 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.559 know, come here permanently into their space or whether that's that's the feeling he 357 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.480 got. So they were checking for the cord, if there was a chord 358 00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:23.480 present. You know, it's kind of matrix stuff, matrix, right, 359 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:29.480 And they were showing him they had these like tablets is the closest thing he 360 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:34.440 could describe it with with symbols on, and they were showing him these tablets, 361 00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.119 you know, saying read this or try to understand this, But of 362 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:42.920 course we're not. We don't understand their language. We're just dipping our toes 363 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:47.639 in the water here, and so he wasn't able to um, well we 364 00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:52.960 start right there. You said something quite interesting. I thought this was telepathy 365 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:59.880 where they were telepathically presenting material, which is a very big alien graze whatever. 366 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:05.199 Yeah, theme, but you're seeing that they're actually orally trying to com 367 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:10.159 it's not this combination. So telepathic communication is very common as well, so 368 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:19.039 people understand they receive them the information directly through through telepathic communication, but they 369 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:27.239 also often use visual visual objects. They will often present you with very strange, 370 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:31.920 impossible objects, objects of impossible dimensionality that couldn't exist in this world, 371 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.400 and say look at this, like they're trying to. They seem to enjoy 372 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.079 some of the entities. They seem to revel in having you there as a 373 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.719 visitor, and they seem to recognize that time is limited, and so they 374 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.599 will they will. They're all kind of rushing around, say look at this, 375 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.599 look at this. Look everyone's trying to get your attention right, you 376 00:38:51.679 --> 00:39:00.800 know. So it's remarkable what do these beings look like? What do these 377 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.079 beings look like? Well, they are as varied in their form as in 378 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:12.800 their character, So there are certain motifs if you like, certain types of 379 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:17.559 entities that people commonly describe. The most famous residents of the DMT space are, 380 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:23.840 of course, the machinels, as Mechanic called them. But these small, 381 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:34.519 sprightly, mischievous, extremely lively, giggling, joyous little creatures have been 382 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:40.480 described since the earliest studies in humans. So even in Stephen's area. This 383 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:46.159 physician who discovered psychedelic properties of DMT in his very first study, a woman 384 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:52.599 described seeing these small creatures that moved around very, very quickly. Terrence mccanna 385 00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:58.639 gave them a name. Now they seem to they vary in their form, 386 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.800 but they unified by their character, is how I like to describe it. 387 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.960 So some people describe them as looking like elves. Some deep people describe them 388 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:13.239 as little balls of light. I don't think the visual form is too important. 389 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:17.440 I don't believe that we we're seeing their true form. The brain is 390 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:23.079 kind of trying to make sense and build a model of these of these these 391 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.960 beings as it does in normal waking life. We don't really know the true 392 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.199 form of anything in the environment. We just know that, you know how 393 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:35.480 the brains, the model of the brain constructs, So the same thing is 394 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.159 happening in the DMT space. Your brain is constructing a model of these beings. 395 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:43.880 So it will vary depending on the individual, depending on cultural influences, 396 00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.679 etc. But the character is always the same. It's always. They're always 397 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.280 very lively, and they're very small, and they move around very very quickly, 398 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.639 and they're always, you know, a little bit cheeky. You know. 399 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:04.800 I love it. So I'm curious to know what the feeling that you 400 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:13.119 the impression you get from these the people who are in these studies, how 401 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.199 many dimensions are are possible? I think you give a hint that it's almost 402 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:24.599 infinity. But what would you say this first level? Perhaps this isn't and 403 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.880 I want to I keep using the word evolution as a species, the human 404 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:36.559 species. This is something that we have been doing rudimentary for perhaps thousands of 405 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.960 years. And what you have and Straussmann and others are doing is forcing the 406 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:47.960 issue by going into these dimensions and experiencing them and bringing back data, perhaps 407 00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:55.119 to make the next level more elegant. Yeah, a little better word. 408 00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:01.239 I mean, I don't think we yet know how deep you can go or 409 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:12.719 even the structure of the space or it's topology, it's topography, it's geometry. 410 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:21.559 Are the distinct levels that you can reach reliably? We simply don't know 411 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:27.440 yet. We know that the space seems to be higher dimensional, that's clear. 412 00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:34.159 So people describe seeing objects that seeing all sides of objects at once, 413 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:40.960 seeing objects that simply cannot that aren't just strange or complicated, but objects that 414 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:49.760 are impossible, that cannot exist literally in at this lower dimensional, three dimensional 415 00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:54.559 plus time world that we live in, which strongly suggests to me that it 416 00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:00.719 is indeed a higher dimensional realm. It's light. Going from the old book 417 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.800 flat Land Flatlanders, I think was called so it talks about, you know, 418 00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:12.400 what would it look like if we occupied a two dimensional world. We 419 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.960 would have no conception of a sphere or a cube. You might be able 420 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:22.559 to think about it mathematically, but you couldn't visualize that a cube cannot exist 421 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:27.559 in a two dimensional world. And in the same way, we can mathematically 422 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:32.960 think about seven dimensional spaces and seven dimensional objects, hypercubes and things like that, 423 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:42.559 but we can't visualize them we can't imagine what a seven dimensional object would 424 00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.480 look like. We can't imagine what a four dimensional object would look like. 425 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:54.480 So when you're confronted with such objects in impossible places of impossible geometry, it 426 00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:02.280 is confounding. It's like all of your or fundamental ontological assumptions, you know, 427 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:07.199 everything you thought was possible and wasn't possible, had just been completely uprooted. 428 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.559 It's like, Okay, I really didn't know anything. Like everything I 429 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:17.960 thought was true probably isn't true. Everything I thought was impossible turns out to 430 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:23.000 be possible within this space, you know, And so it's not surprising, 431 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:27.000 you know. Terrence McKenney used to say, the only risk with DMT is 432 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:34.159 death by astonishment. That's that is seems to be the case. It is 433 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.280 true. Astonishment is of quite a rare emotion. We are very rarely are 434 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:45.559 we truly astonished. DMT is one of the few things that can reliably elicit 435 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:54.840 that true astonishment. I think, um, yeah, I'm gonna take a 436 00:44:54.920 --> 00:45:01.559 short commercial break here and give our sponsors and opportunity to identify themselves, and 437 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.599 we will return with my guest today, doctor Andrew Gilmore, discussing his book 438 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:52.800 Alien information Theory. We'll be right back. My guest today is doctor Andrew 439 00:45:52.920 --> 00:46:00.840 Gilmore who has written a book called Alien Information Theory, Psychedelic Drug Technology in 440 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:07.320 the Cosmic Game, and he is looking at communicating with different beings in different 441 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:22.920 realities. What are the beans communicating with our brain in some form of projection? 442 00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:28.639 What do you suggest they are they? How are they giving information? 443 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.280 Yeah? So the way I imagine it. So, the normal waking world 444 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:37.440 that we live within is this model that's being constructed by the brain. It's 445 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:44.920 a model of the environment constructed from without getting technical patterns of neural information. 446 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.960 A unified pattern of neural information. Is this model that your brain is constructing 447 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.119 all the time that is informed and modulated and constrained by patterns of sense for 448 00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:59.599 information from the environment. It allows your brain to build a functional and adaptive 449 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.840 and model of the environment. But the world you experience is always the model. 450 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.480 What changes when you take DMPT is that model. Your brain starts constructing 451 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:15.639 this alternate model. And it's my belief that this is in the same way 452 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:21.679 that the normal waking world is modulated by sensory information from the environment, you 453 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:28.199 have this alternate and information source. The information is flowing. DMT gates the 454 00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.719 flow of information from this other domain into your brain so that your brain can 455 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:37.159 construct a model of that alternate reality. Wow. Yeah, so that's what 456 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:44.519 you're doing. You're you're experiencing this alternate reality model that your brain is constructing, 457 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.960 allowing your brain to receive information from the space and from the beings within 458 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:57.079 the space. You're opening a whole new world to us, and it's been 459 00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.199 described by others, but I think you're modeling it in a way that I 460 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:06.440 haven't heard before, which is fascinating because it's like, and I keep using 461 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:12.320 this terminology, how do we evolve as a species? This is a way 462 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:19.280 to evolve. Perhaps the next step is not to use DMT, but maybe 463 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:23.559 have these beans work with us to manipulate the brain in a way that we 464 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:29.239 can meditate and shift into it. What do you suggest? Yeah, I 465 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:36.119 think Terrence mccanna again, he used to talk about galactic citizenship. You know, 466 00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:42.119 I think we can leap frog over that and go directly to inter dimensional 467 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:47.679 citizenship. We have access now to these domains, but there's so much that 468 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:54.559 we need to learn. We don't really know the constraints the rules governing our 469 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:59.400 interaction with the space, whether or not it could be I mean I in 470 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:07.400 my talks, I often talk about evolving beyond the molecular technology. So beyond 471 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:14.199 the idea of having to deliver exogenous drugs into someone's bloodstream, could actually use 472 00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:21.519 post molecular technologies manipulating the brain directly using magneto receptors, so receptors that are 473 00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:27.159 sensitive to magnetic fields, and directly, rather than using a drug a molecule 474 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:31.800 to stimulate these receptors, use magnetic fields, using specially genetically engineered receptors that 475 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:37.920 sensitive to magnetic fields. So then you would put on some kind of cap 476 00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:43.119 with magnet surrounding it, and then going to this other reality would be a 477 00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:46.000 matter of flicking the switch and it will be instantaneous. You'll be there, 478 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:52.039 wow, you know. And you could spend several days or weeks on an 479 00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:57.559 expedition within that space whilst your body was maintained. So you'd also have you 480 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:04.199 equipment delivering nutrient into your body, getting rid of waste products, stimulating your 481 00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:08.719 muscles to avoid muscle wasting, cooling the body slightly to reduce metabolic rate. 482 00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:15.920 All these kind of things that all these different technologies come together and it sounds 483 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:21.320 like science fiction. It really does, and it is subject kind of of 484 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.840 science fiction. These pods, we've seen them in Alien and other movies and 485 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:29.159 Matrix, right, but I think we actually are pretty close to having this 486 00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:35.639 kind of technology. NASA uses this, at least this kind of suspended animation 487 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:40.440 technology of putting someone in a suspended state for these very long space journeys that 488 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:45.480 take months, so they put them in a hypometabolic state. They feed them 489 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:53.119 using intravenous They even deliver oxygen directly into the bloodstream. Now, so you 490 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:59.760 can gain repurpose that technology. I think with this either DMT technology or this 491 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:06.599 most molecular technology, a way of becoming into dimensional citizen, being able to 492 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:12.039 traverse and move through different worlds. And there might be many other worlds that 493 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:17.079 were yet to discover beyond these DMT worlds, which is itself vast and complex, 494 00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:22.559 and the complexity and vastness of which we don't really understand yet, but 495 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:28.400 they are likely to be countless other worlds that we can reach using our brain. 496 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:32.760 Our brain is this incredible world building world switching machine. You're showing that 497 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:39.239 the brain is highly complex. Is it your belief that it's possible to bring 498 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:46.360 back technology from these beans and actually apply it, or are we restricted to 499 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:52.639 be only observers in these other dimensions. I don't think we're necessarily restricted. 500 00:51:52.840 --> 00:52:00.599 I think the issue is that we're talking about intelligences that are so far aren'ts, 501 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:06.280 and that have actually transcended in a sense the physical form. They have 502 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:13.239 transcended biology, So they're so far ahead. It's like, how would how 503 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:20.679 how do you translate the technology of a of a non physical HyperIntelligence and bring 504 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.159 it and make use of it in our you know, wet brained, wet 505 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:30.119 bodied world. It might be quite difficult, but certainly I think it's important 506 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:36.320 to at least try to gather information, try to establish two way communication with 507 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:42.000 these beings and and and learn from them and real quickly what I mean, 508 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:50.679 you're currently working in this in this protocol. What is the goal for these 509 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:59.880 people who are experimenting in these programs? Well, the first thing, initially, 510 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.239 it's as you would in any other when you find a new world. 511 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:09.800 The first thing you do is is to explore, to begin to form maps 512 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:16.079 of some sense, not ordinance survey maps, but these maps might be quite 513 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:22.480 different. But at least trying to get a handle on on on the structure 514 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:27.760 and the geometry of the space. How how can one navigate the space, 515 00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:34.960 move through the space, establishing communication, two way communication with the entities, 516 00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:39.440 determining, you know, mapping the flora and fauna, so to speak of 517 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:47.159 this this vast hyperdimensional ecology within this space. That's the first thing I don't 518 00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.000 think we we we humans, we have a tendency to kind of get ahead 519 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:53.559 of ourselves a little bit, say we're going to do this, and then 520 00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:57.480 we're going to do this. Yeah, I want to see it all. 521 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.079 But I think we know so little about out this space and about the inhabitants 522 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:07.320 of this space, that we have to accept that we know very very little 523 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:15.079 and to go there with that full understanding. And that cultivates humility and respect 524 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:23.840 because I take seriously the idea that these really could be intelligences that are vastly 525 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:30.000 superior to anything we can even conceive of. We have no comprehension of the 526 00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:37.519 level of intelligence that you can confront within the DMT space. So so for 527 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.239 me, it's a very open ended It sounds like you're seeing you feel a 528 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:49.440 responsibility for them to perhaps take it seriously as you're going to use the term 529 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:54.840 tripping or experimenting and not jump all over the place. Have a goal before 530 00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.119 you actually enter this realm, right exactly, So, setting your intent is 531 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:06.880 important for any psychedelic experience for sure, and no less important with the DMT 532 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:09.480 space. So yeah, setting your intent, and that could be at some 533 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:22.599 point, setting your intent to established communication with a particular entity and attempting to 534 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.280 learn and gather information and perhaps deliver information in real time back to the team 535 00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.639 waiting on the outside. You would have a number of people on the outside. 536 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:37.119 Mathematicians, anthropologists, linguists, cartographers, artists, philosophers, physicians, 537 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:43.519 neuroscientists, pharmacologists, you know all of these people because that's what you need. 538 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.440 You know this, We need people with all these different disciplines to make 539 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:52.079 sense, to try and make sense of the information that's being delivered by the 540 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:58.320 voyage, hopefully using some kind of device so they can they can deliver this 541 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:02.119 information without necessarily having to speak, using some kind of Keep so cool, 542 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:07.639 you'll listening to you do this. I'm going, man, this is like 543 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:14.800 space Odyssey present time. Is there a certain type of individual who handles this 544 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:21.880 better than others? Some people, I mean when I was in high school, 545 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:25.559 I was in a generation that started using LSD, And there are certain 546 00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.920 people who could take a tab and just be fine with it and take multiple 547 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.840 tabs. I could never take it. I did a few drugs, but 548 00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:38.960 I just I felt I would go nuts the acid. Is there a personality 549 00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:45.679 type or perhaps a physiology type if you can say that that takes this on 550 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:54.519 and can actually experience these dimensions and bring back the data in a form that 551 00:56:54.719 --> 00:57:00.719 is usable, I think so. Well. First of all, about five 552 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:06.199 percent of the population aren't affected by DMT at all, So I didn't. 553 00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:08.440 They're excluded. Yeah, so they're numb to it, they don't even they 554 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:13.760 don't experience any effects. So Rick Strasman noticed this in his study that about 555 00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.280 five percent of people who injected with even to the highest levels where they should 556 00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:21.639 have had a full breakthrough experience, they felt nothing. And also Terrence McKenna 557 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:25.679 said the same thing anecdotally. And you get reports some people and people asking 558 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:30.760 me advice saying, oh my god, I used all this DMTRP, I 559 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.280 wasted it all and not no effect. As well, it could be that 560 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.119 you're one of the five percent, in which case you're out of Luck. 561 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:43.199 Yeah, so that's certainly you exclude them, but I think really it's about 562 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.800 experience. People who are experienced with old states of consciousness. Of course, 563 00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:55.760 often people who have some kind of meditative practice, who can stabilize their consciousness 564 00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:01.639 and who can remain focused. These are all important. Being able to keep 565 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:07.079 your wits about you, so to speak, is very difficult in the DMT 566 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:13.920 space. So that's that comes with experience. I think. I don't think 567 00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:22.800 there's any particular personality type, perhaps, but certainly it's training, it's experience, 568 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:29.079 being familiar with the space. All of the studies in this DMTX trial 569 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.519 at Imperial College London were experienced DMT users. Obviously, you don't want to 570 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:37.599 be infusing someone who's never taken DMT before for thirty minutes. That would be 571 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:44.960 a bit much. Is your goal in the future to find perhaps a group 572 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:50.920 of experiencers what did McKinney columns, psycho knots or something like that, psychonauts. 573 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:59.800 Yeah, that would be the tools for you to begin researching this dimension 574 00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:04.840 or multiple dimensions and bringing back significant data. That is the aim, yea, 575 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.079 The aim is to bring back significant data. We don't really know what 576 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:13.400 form that data will take yet. I mean it could be for example, 577 00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:16.199 you might want to map the geometry of the space. We might want to 578 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:25.440 understand how this space is structured. So the voyager might be bringing back or 579 00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:32.880 delivering in real time in simple information like the way that lines approach each other, 580 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:38.119 the kind of shapes that they see. All this to them is just 581 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:45.239 reading, reading the patterns that they're seeing, let's say, delivering that back, 582 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:50.800 and then mathematicians and geometers will plug this into some you know, it 583 00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:55.760 could be an artificial intelligence that would look at these say what kind of higher 584 00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:01.559 dimensional geometry but best matches the type of patterns that this person is describing. 585 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:07.440 So you don't necessarily have to have you don't have to send in a gym, 586 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.639 you know, a topologist or a mathematician into the space. You just 587 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:15.199 have someone who's very observant and can deliver the information back. And then you 588 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:21.280 would have the team saying with the language, people can deliver back symbols that 589 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:25.599 they're seeing that they're being presented with, and then the linguists get to work 590 01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:30.800 in trying to decide that it's like a Arrival. You've seen that movie Arrival? 591 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:35.920 Oh yeah, yeah, So they had that weird circular language. Yeah, 592 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.599 that the window, Yeah exactly. Yeah, that was very cool. 593 01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:43.360 Yeah, so you know you it's that kind of problem and that you've you've 594 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:46.039 got this language that well, let me just quickly, yeah, Andrew, 595 01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:51.559 wouldn't it be and I could be off the border on this one, wouldn't 596 01:00:51.559 --> 01:01:00.199 it be important to ask these beans to help us or those people to retain 597 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:07.880 some knowledge, help them with their data, imprinting it in a way that 598 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:17.079 it can come out when they return. Yeah, because especially these complex forms 599 01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:22.800 and these these items that they're showing that are multidimensional. Yeah, but maybe 600 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:28.639 there's an aspect of that that they can bring back if they're helped. Yeah. 601 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:32.519 I think you've you've kind of touched on the perennial problem with the MT 602 01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:38.440 is that it recall is a huge problem. Is it bad? Even with 603 01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:46.159 relatively short trips, people often struggle to recall most people, some people are 604 01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:52.079 very good at it. And there might be techniques, preparatory techniques or even 605 01:01:52.199 --> 01:02:00.719 other other molecules you can use that might enhance the recall, But ultimately I 606 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:09.079 think we should work to dispense with the need for recall. This is why 607 01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:15.320 I talk about this real time flow of information about communicating with the team on 608 01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:20.199 the other side in real times as it's happening, so you don't have to 609 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:23.760 remember. So if you're you know, if you have a ninety minute infusion 610 01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:29.519 with the best memory in the world, you're not going to remember all the 611 01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:35.280 details. You might remember the narrative kind of overall what happened, and that's 612 01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:40.280 what we see with DMTX as we see more narrative structure, so it's not 613 01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:45.400 just a series of visions, but you're seeing the experience evolve, the interactions 614 01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:50.400 with the entities evolve and change over time, so there seems more of a 615 01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:54.159 narrative structure, and that part seems to be quite easy to recall. But 616 01:02:55.039 --> 01:03:00.840 small details about the structure of the space and the message is in the symbols 617 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:05.760 that's much more difficult to recall and kind of draw or right afterwards. So 618 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:08.920 this is why we need the technology for real time delivery of information. Yeah, 619 01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:12.920 I hear what you're saying. It's like it should be like an autonomic 620 01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:17.239 reaction to the experience or the body is automatically, so you'd have to train 621 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:22.079 to somebody with the body exact typing the data or you create a computer, 622 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:29.320 that button is a symbol of some kind precisely. Wow. The book's called 623 01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:35.320 Alien Information Theory, psychondelic drug Technologies, and the Cosmic Game. I guess 624 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:43.440 has been Doctor Andrew Gilmour, give us your projection of the next decade, 625 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:50.880 what you see evolving in your practice. Yeah, well, it's hard to 626 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.039 say. It's hard to say what's going to happen in the next year. 627 01:03:53.239 --> 01:04:01.519 Clearly, the evolution the development of our civilation. Civilization is not a linear 628 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:08.000 things. We seem to be perhaps at the beginning of this, this exponential 629 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:13.840 rise. So I think the first thing that we need to do is kind 630 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:19.199 of established definitively that we are dealing with an advanced intelligence. Then where do 631 01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:25.199 we go from there? Then we truly are looking at into dimensional citizenship. 632 01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:30.079 We are looking to a future where we are citizens residents of more than one 633 01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:35.199 world, and that we might spend part of our lives in this prosaic, 634 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:42.719 lower dimensional, mundane world and part of our lives journeying. So instead of 635 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:47.400 going on vacation to Palm Springs, the rich and famous will be going on 636 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:56.480 vacation to the DNC worlds. Amazing, do you actually see the possibilities of 637 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.880 these experiencers like into some kind of I mean, would this something be something 638 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:08.199 that you would work with a team and develop perhaps a cubicle or a place 639 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:12.559 where you could relax, get infused and experience for a couple of hours. 640 01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:16.119 For sure, that's the aim. Yes, this kind of matrix machine if 641 01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:20.360 you like, where you can input your journey time, lay down, input 642 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:28.519 your journey time, maybe even your particular location within the space, and lie 643 01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:31.840 back and relax and it will take you there. Now, the next question 644 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.559 I have real quickly is who's funding this and do you need to go fund 645 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:45.760 me page because this can be extremely expensive and also probably legally in America under 646 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:54.840 a university's banner. Right, Yes, so currently the it's funded through the 647 01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:58.239 normal kind of university channels. So the funding body is that fund this kind 648 01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:08.719 of basic research into psychedelics. There's the group in Boulder, Colorado, DMTX. 649 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:14.480 You can find them at dmtx dot org. They are funded by a 650 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:21.280 or financed by a group called New Nautics NBLO n A U t i CS 651 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:29.360 New Nautics and they are a nonprofit, a registered nonprofit in the United States, 652 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:35.280 and they are gathering funds. So if anyone wants to contribute financially or 653 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:41.360 provide financial support to this whole program, then go to New Nautics dot org 654 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:46.039 and you can do it. Excellent. How can people learn more about you? 655 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:49.119 Why don't you give us your website and any contact information? Yes, 656 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:55.679 so the first port of call is always my website, alien insect dot net. 657 01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.719 There you can find links to my books, my podcast, interviews and 658 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:04.800 papers I've written that kind of thing. I post regularly on Twitter. Again, 659 01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:10.639 my handle is alien insect. I post regularly on the I have a 660 01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:15.360 substack, alien insect on Drugs, which you can also sign up for gained 661 01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:21.599 links on my website. Yeah, I think that's great. One final question. 662 01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:26.079 We're here at Contact in the desert. There's a great deal of speculation 663 01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:32.559 about UAPs, UFOs, alien abductions and so forth and so on. There's 664 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:43.639 any of that reality bleed into what you're reporting in these DMT sessions. Absolutely, 665 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:50.000 I think kind of uthology has progressed massively. I was very pleasantly surprised 666 01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:57.440 to hear people talking a lot less about physical, wet brained aliens, but 667 01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:03.719 more about the possibility that it could be this post biological intelligences that have transcended 668 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:11.440 the physical form, that transcended their biology. And it's those type of intelligences 669 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:15.159 that I think we're communicating within a DMT state. So, and John mac 670 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:20.920 as well, you know, he towards the end of his tragically cut short 671 01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:30.159 life, he was he started to realize that these weren't exclusively people being lifted 672 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.039 from their beds by physical aliens, but it seemed to be some kind of 673 01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:41.159 non physical interaction with an intelligence that transcended space and time in some way that 674 01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:47.760 existed elsewhere. And so I think there is kind of behind it, or 675 01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:53.399 perhaps a unity there that we are only just beginning to realize now, and 676 01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:59.520 that when we talk about aliens see aliens, we're not necessarily talking about physical 677 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:03.640 being, but that we're seeing something far stranger than that. And I think 678 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:11.279 DMT provides direct, reliable access to these kind of advanced alien intelligence. Have 679 01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:15.039 they asked, have they during some of these sessions, have they actually reported 680 01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:20.840 that, Yes, we are in vehicles orbiting and surveying your planet. So 681 01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:25.600 it's interesting. So Paul Heinuch, he will know, of course, he 682 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:30.439 asked this question. Was in his lecture yesterday? Was he actually asked one 683 01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:34.479 of the entities that question, and they said, we couldn't explain in a 684 01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:40.119 way that you would understand. So I think we have to be aware that 685 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:45.399 maybe we were not equipped to quite see how it all fits together. Yet 686 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:50.239 perhaps we'll get there at some point in the future. Andrew Gillmore, amazing, 687 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:53.960 wonderful to have you, and we're going to have to have you back. 688 01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:59.399 Thank you, thank you very much. There's a great deal more in 689 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:10.159 his book Alien Information Theory that proposes different ways to bring the data back. 690 01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:15.840 And did you ever see the movie with Jodie Foster called Contact, when they 691 01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:26.479 the Aliens send across, sent across schematics for a machine, and a consortium 692 01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:31.960 of countries build a machine so they can send a pilot or a representative to 693 01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:38.960 this a different quadrant of the universe to meet with the aliens. This is 694 01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:44.239 kind of the situation I'm thinking of, of course, in Contact, that 695 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:50.199 movie, the data came across as radio waves or yeah, radio waves that 696 01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:58.159 were picked up by a big dish satellite dish, and then they downloaded it 697 01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:03.119 and were able to build the machine. They actually built two in that movie. 698 01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:08.720 First one is Destroyed, really good movie. If you don't have that 699 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:13.520 movie. By the way, that movie is based on Carl Sagan's book Contact, 700 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:18.640 And it's funny because here we are Carl Sagan is a very anti UFO, 701 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:25.680 anti alien phenomenon later in his years when he was a young man, 702 01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:30.560 when he was first coming up, it was very open to would you believe 703 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:32.920 the face on Mars. In fact, there's a number of stories of him 704 01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:40.520 talking with Hoglan and Carlodo, and I think we even heard John Brandenburg. 705 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:46.319 Doctor Brandenberg mentioned that he had some conversations and some exchanges of data with Carl 706 01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:50.640 Sagan. But in this case, this is the same kind of thing where 707 01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:58.039 the pilot or the experiencer, and this would have to be a very unique 708 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:04.800 experiencer who can tame data, would would type data down and maybe working with 709 01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:14.000 this race together, they could invent some kind of teleprompter or computer with a 710 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:21.680 keyboard where the keys are symbols or scientific theorems or something where the data would 711 01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:28.560 get across from one reality or one dimension to the other. And this is 712 01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:35.880 why I think that this DMT study that doctor Gilmore's doing is really the next 713 01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:45.520 step from what Strassman was doing and is far exceeds far further than anything that 714 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:50.319 anyone else is doing on an individual level just taking ayahuasca. Now, that 715 01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:57.680 doesn't mean that ayahuasca sessions are not valid. And if you don't have visionary 716 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.479 from Graham Hancock, get that book because he described ties in great detail his 717 01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:10.920 experience during ayahuasca. You can also just type in ayahuasca experience and you can 718 01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:15.159 read from a number of people. Even Annual Pinchbeck, who we've had on 719 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:24.319 the show, Prolific writer, He has described his experiences using DMT using ayahuasca. 720 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:30.720 So this is another step. And so can you imagine for just a 721 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:38.399 moment the potential to bring in schematics for new kinds of machines, new kinds 722 01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:45.880 of devices. No, we're polluting and destroying our environment in the ecosystem. 723 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:54.880 If we had some new vehicles, airplanes or anything that's using currently reliant on 724 01:13:55.079 --> 01:14:00.359 fossil fuels, that we could move beyond that. And so that's the tip 725 01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.960 of the iceberg. Could you imagine, you know, I'm always thinking about 726 01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:10.159 Fountain of the Youth kind of apparatus is that, you know, we're always 727 01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:14.319 trying to live longer. What't would be great if they had some kind of 728 01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:19.920 a chamber that you walk into and you add fifty years to your life disease 729 01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:27.359 free or the big one. Oh my god, I'm machine that eradicates degenerative 730 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:34.279 diseases, MS, cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, specific types of diseases that are 731 01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:38.920 wasting. Can think of many, many, many, but you kind of 732 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:43.079 get the point. So this is something really with great potential, and he 733 01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:46.279 is looking I think we mentioned he mentioned at the end he's looking for funding. 734 01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:53.239 You can check out his website, but read his book Alien Information Theory 735 01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:59.239 to get a sense of what he is striving for. Now, I will 736 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:05.119 i'll also that you look at his YouTube channel or just type in Andrew doctor 737 01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:13.640 Andrew Gilmour or Alien Information Theory. His lectures that go on for two or 738 01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:23.279 three hours are very complex, and we're talking about brain patterns and ways to 739 01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:30.359 use DMT that are beneficial for a lot of people. And perhaps one of 740 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:41.479 the thoughts that he proposes is not using a psychedelic but having the aliens or 741 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:49.000 the entities or the dimensional beings help us shift our brain through a meditator process 742 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:59.359 that accentuates our ability to move into these other realities. Because we do this 743 01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:02.840 more in one another really deep state. I kind of lose track of time 744 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:06.399 now I'm not I don't know if I'm going into another reality or not. 745 01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:13.239 They can't they get tests for that, But sometimes it feels like I've I've 746 01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:16.359 lost like the whole time I'm in meditation, and I meditate twice a day 747 01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:23.239 for about twenty minutes. Wouldn't it be amazing if our off roll types or 748 01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:30.359 these beings in this other dimension were able to help us access Now remember here, 749 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:35.640 we're going into the whole Akashic record database that many of our guests have 750 01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:42.079 spoken about. And my god, well it's good and bad because I think 751 01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:49.840 people like Nikolai Tesla were able to get into the Akashic records and download machines 752 01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:58.279 that were just too far ahead of too new and too revolutionary. The biggest 753 01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:04.920 example is the Warncliff Tower upstate New York, which was producing free energy in 754 01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:10.359 the environment, and his idea was to have cars, planes, boats, 755 01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:15.399 moving vehicles that were powered by this and not just vehicles, homes, factors 756 01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:21.399 and everything. Our reliance on electricity would be completely over. What kind of 757 01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:27.600 revolution is that? Now? Warrencliff never happened. In fact, we're going 758 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:31.520 to have Mark Seaffort on the program, who's an expert on Tesla. In 759 01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:35.960 a couple of weeks he says the same thing. He believes that the Warncliffe 760 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:42.239 Tower produced by Tesla, it was too advanced and to Tesla, as far 761 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:47.600 as we know, the great genius pulled through and developed machines in his mind. 762 01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:53.000 We'll talk about that, lad. So lots of thing about again alien 763 01:17:53.119 --> 01:18:01.079 information theory. He wrote and co published that book, and the illustrations in 764 01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:05.000 that book are kind of weird and it makes it a little challenging to read 765 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:10.520 because he's got strange graphs and colors and stuff in it. But he's a 766 01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:15.600 real free thinker. He's very, very fun to speak with. And I 767 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:20.279 love this kind of an interview simply because it gives us a chance to look 768 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:26.560 at our future. These kinds of studies, these kinds of research projects and 769 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:33.760 experimentation with consciousness are very important for us because we learn about our mind, 770 01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:40.920 we learn about those realities around us, and critically important, we know that 771 01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:44.520 we're not the only ones in our cosmos. Now, I'm not going to 772 01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:49.439 get into the whole alien thing, because you've heard me talk about this off 773 01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:55.239 and on forever. So the bottom line is this is very very important work 774 01:18:55.319 --> 01:19:00.680 and I do hope you enjoyed that interview. By the way, I published 775 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:05.079 a new article in the Ancient Origins magazine. You can see it on Earth 776 01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:10.640 Ancients Facebook page. To go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients either the 777 01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:15.039 group page or the international page. It's a quick study I did of a 778 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:23.760 statue. It's the Kefren statue in the Museum Cairo Museum in downtown Cairo. 779 01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:30.960 Muhammed presented us with a close up look at it, and the article goes 780 01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:36.199 into the possibilities of it being a machine machine sculpture and in the same lines 781 01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:43.399 that Chris Dunn suggests that the Ramsey two sculptures and many others at Karnak and 782 01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:49.800 lux are as well as the Museum in Cairo have these statues that are machined 783 01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:55.520 using some kind of die cutting technology. Muhammed suggested that, so I went 784 01:19:55.560 --> 01:20:02.239 ahead and did some analysis. It really looks like Friend placed his cartouche on 785 01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:11.079 this statue at the bottom of this beautifully elegant, high styled doorrite sculpture of 786 01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:15.319 him. But it's not him, it's someone else. And it's funny because 787 01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:17.800 we see this with a lot of these pharaohs who think their gods and can 788 01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:23.680 do anything they want. I actually say that too. It's graffiti. They 789 01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:30.560 just scratched the guy Cufu's cartouche on the bottom of this statue. This elegant, 790 01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:35.800 world class one of a kind, beautiful sculptures that was found near the 791 01:20:35.960 --> 01:20:40.920 pyramid, and it kind of it doesn't really look at him. Because we 792 01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:47.119 don't have a lot of examples of Kefren's. The Greeks called them keefrin the 793 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:54.000 Keffrin's image. We have two examples that I show in this article, and 794 01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:59.039 both of them don't look anything like this amazing sculpture, the Storrite sculpture that 795 01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:02.760 is in So check out the article, see my analysis, look at the 796 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:09.920 photographs. The article is called the Brilliance of Prediluvian Sculpture. It's on Earth 797 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:15.359 Ancients. It's the article. You can see it both in the group page 798 01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:18.840 and the international page of Facebook. So check that out see if you think 799 01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:25.079 if you're a fan of ancient origins. I think the article is coming out 800 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:28.039 in a week, oh me a week, but sometimes it takes longer. 801 01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:31.199 It's not producing the United States. I think it's produced in South America, 802 01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:35.680 so things take a little bit longer there. Anyhow, I'm fascinated. I 803 01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:41.439 have so much that's kind of bubbling out of my trip to Egypt, and 804 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:46.720 wow, it's fantastic. By the way, we have now are launching our 805 01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:53.880 twenty twenty four trip. It's gonna be April twenty eighth through May nine of 806 01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:58.640 twenty twenty four, and the itinerary is up if you want to go to 807 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:02.399 Earth Ancients dot com or slash Tours t O u r S. We're not 808 01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:05.800 making a big deal of it right now. We're just letting people know that 809 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:11.159 it's available. It's funny because we already have ten people that signed up that 810 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.439 have been waiting for this tour, and I can't blame them. It's it's 811 01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:21.439 really quite astonishing what we see, what we experience, and just the environment 812 01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:27.720 of these ancient temples is really a lot and every time we go there there's 813 01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:30.760 something new that's happened. Like we just found out that this the Great Pyramid 814 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:36.680 has all these new channels and tunnels and rooms and walkways. Let's hope by 815 01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:42.319 next May when we go to have our private visits, some of the other 816 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:45.720 areas are have been identified, so that'd be really cool. So if you 817 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:49.840 want to come with us to Egypt in twenty twenty four, excuse me, 818 01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:57.479 it's April twenty eighth through May ninth, twenty twenty four. The whole light 819 01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:02.399 Terrary is at ancients dot com Forward slash Tours. It's a blast, it's 820 01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:08.039 gonna be fun. I'm hoping to mention our Turkey tour. We're kind of 821 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:10.920 sitting on that a little bit. We're having some issues with some of the 822 01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:14.920 hotels, but that is looking like you know, and I was hoping for 823 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:18.359 this year. This year is we're already at the halfway point. So I 824 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:24.119 think Turkey is going to be spring or fall twenty twenty four, and we'll 825 01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:29.399 talk about that. I want to go to Turkey really bad because there's new 826 01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:33.640 discoveries. Of course, there's you know, go Backley Teppi, Carahan Teppi, 827 01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:39.720 which has these amazing pillars we had for people talking about this this new 828 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:45.079 site. So Earth Ancients Tours always if you're wanting to check out our tours, 829 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:48.520 always go to earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours. By the way, 830 01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:51.600 if you have any questions about any of our tours or anything in general, 831 01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:55.119 like, hey, Cliff, I really like this person, but I 832 01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:57.560 really didn't get it. Is there a book? Is there something else? 833 01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:01.960 You can write to me at Earth Ancients for you the number four, the 834 01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:08.800 letter you at gmail dot com. Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com. 835 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:12.199 Let me know what's your thoughts, if you want information on a tour, 836 01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:16.880 whatever you need, I'll do what I can for you. I just 837 01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:20.159 love the fact you're listening. All right, Okay, that's it for today's 838 01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:26.680 program. I want to thank my guest today, doctor Andrew Gilmore, that 839 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:33.319 was recorded at the Contact in the Desert conference this past May a few weeks 840 01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:39.840 ago, and as always the team of Ruth Thomas and Mark Foster, thank 841 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:44.079 you for your help and you rock. You do, you really do rock. 842 01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:45.960 All right, take care of be well and we will talk to you 843 01:24:46.119 --> 01:25:03.000 next time. I ass