1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,119 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No. 2 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:16,800 Here is your host, DJ Leise. Oh Well, hello there and 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,399 welcome back in. As we get ready to preview the weekend. It has 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,839 title fights all over the place. We got cards in Minnesota, we got 5 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:26,760 cars in New York, we got cards in Japan. We got a special 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,559 guest. It's a former unified world champion. The Dan interviewed. We got 7 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:32,600 fight news, we got nostalgia, we got it all. It's a big 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,399 fight wee can preview podcast. I am the somewhat capable host. He is 9 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:41,280 our insider fight for each Unite substack and Big Fight Weekend dot Com. Hello 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,560 Dan, Rayphiel, As we get ready for another weekend. How are we 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,920 feeling. I'm doing very good. I'm looking forward to a decent weekend. 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,920 Hopefully we get some good action out of it. We certainly have a lot 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,359 of fights, and we certainly have a lot of fight news. And again 14 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:56,640 we say to you, the fight fans, thank you for finding us, 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,399 however you've done so on the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. Make sure that 16 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:04,599 you're following or subscribing Apple podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, review us several 17 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:08,319 of you have reviewed us in June. Keep it up. Those reviews help 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,439 us more people find us. Tell us if you enjoy the content, which 19 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:15,519 I think a lot of you do in the preview mode Thursday night into Friday, 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,560 recap mode coming off the weekend. Now I do need to say to 21 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,079 the audience. There is dedication and then there's what I'm about to go through. 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,200 I am about to go on a vaca with the family. Ray feel 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,560 in the car across the state of Florida. I live in West central Florida, 24 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:33,640 on the West coast of Florida. We're going to the East coast. 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,079 I am not getting in a NASA rocket. I'm not getting in a SpaceX 26 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:40,120 rocket from Elon Musk and launching myself. That is not happening. But we 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:46,079 are going on vacation. Nonetheless, there will be a recap podcast. I'm 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,200 trying to stay out of divorce court. Ray Field's gonna help me with this 29 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:53,079 Sunday night. No matter what happens, recap podcast always comes off the weekend. 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,200 We gotta give the peeps what they want, So there will be a 31 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:57,400 recap podcast, even though I'm off the clock. Ray Field, for the 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,159 most part, on vacation I understand that, but we were here's no problem 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,239 for the people. So there will be a recap podcast. So you want 34 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:09,400 to make sure you're following, you're subscribing, and without any other delay, 35 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:13,240 let's get into it. As you and I got set to do this, 36 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,639 you've had to adjust the rundown like twice. So the rundown was going to 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,599 be this, or it was gonna be that. Well, the rundown now 38 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:23,759 has Canelo Alvarez taken to social media and hello, I'm back in September, 39 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,400 which we all kind of figured. But then he put on this Instagram video. 40 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:34,199 He put that it is Premiere Boxing Champions. He didn't say whom, 41 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,319 and my man Raphael went to digging and nobody digs like him or I give 42 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,080 me the very latest fresh stuff that I don't even know all of. As 43 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,680 we begin the podcast with Canello coming back and what's the deal, what's up? 44 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:46,879 Well, first of all, like you said, not at all in 45 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,800 surprise that he's gonna fight in September. That's always his targeted date right now. 46 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:53,840 I mean again, it's not official, but it seems likely he will 47 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:58,560 fight on that second weekend of September, which is September sixteenth, which happens 48 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,199 to be a Saturday, that is the Mexican Independence Day weekend. Could be 49 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,639 maybe a small issue where it might be because my understanding is that's a weekend. 50 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,280 Whether it is a a UFC event at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas 51 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:13,000 on that night, I don't know what the magnitude of that event is. 52 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:15,199 Who knows if it will get switcher, they'll change, but suffice it to 53 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:20,159 say, whether it's in September, I guess technically maybe it can move into 54 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:23,199 October. Here's the point, Kenelo alvers his next fight is going to be 55 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,159 with PBC. It's going to be in the fall. That means it'll be 56 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:28,919 a showtime pay per view. And uh, you know, the only thing 57 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,439 he put in his video was September and PBC and a little shadow boxing, 58 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:38,280 a video of him, you know, showing his good stuff. But uh, 59 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,599 you know, as you said, I mean, I made my phone 60 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:45,479 calls talk to two people directly involved with this deal. He will be fighting 61 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:49,719 Charlot the middleweight Charlo, who was going to come off of a what has 62 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:52,159 been a two year layoff as of this week, he will move up to 63 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:57,719 super middleweight challenge Kenelo Alberts for the undisputed championship. Presumably all the four organizations 64 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:00,960 will will bless it with their sanction, but either way, that is the 65 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,719 fight that will happen. It is a three fight deal that Canello has done. 66 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,280 So remember when he became a free agent and after he left Golden Boy, 67 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:09,680 his whole thing was, let me do these short term, one or 68 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,400 two fight kind of deals. I can then pick and choose who I want 69 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,280 to fight. I'm not going to be encumbered by a promoter or a broadcaster, 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,079 and I can guide my career how I want, and he has done 71 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:20,360 that. Primarily he did a two fight deal with Eddie Earn at match Room. 72 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,800 He went back to Eddie. Eventually he did a one fights off deal 73 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,839 with PBC, which was his one interaction working with Al Hayman in that team 74 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:33,199 TGB Promotions. He was familiar with Showtime before he went back for the Kala 75 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,959 Plant fight because he had done a number of his bigger fights on Showtime pay 76 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,920 per view in the past, so he was comfortable there. They had good 77 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,439 success in terms of the the sales for the pay per view with Plant when 78 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,160 he became the undisputed champion, but then he went back to match room boxing 79 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,160 where he's done his recent fights. But now he's going to do three fights 80 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,240 with PBC, which you know, for a fighter at at this stage of 81 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,279 his career, that's a lot. You know, that's that's uh, you 82 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:00,040 know, I'm not going to say he's at the end, but he's you 83 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:04,040 know, we're around in uh at least second base, if not third base, 84 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,879 let's say, and uh, they have the horses. I guess that 85 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:12,279 he can fight. So that means the Charlot fight. I think that does 86 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:15,279 mean eventually we all see Bena Vetti's fight, maybe a David Morrell, maybe 87 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:21,040 Dmitri's Andreid. I'm just mentioning other qualities super middleweights that are in that PBC 88 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,959 fold. So those are those are the possibilities. There's also, you know, 89 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,560 we're gonna talk about him on the show now, Carlos so Adamas at 90 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,959 middleweight. Maybe he moves up. The point is they've got guys for Canello 91 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,079 to fight between now and the next you know, year or year and a 92 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,800 half or so. So that was that was the big news. Today. 93 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,680 He's gonna he's going forward. He's gonna fight Charlo. I don't love the 94 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,800 matchup. But I'm happy that Canello is back in action. Um, Showtime 95 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,000 does a great job with his you know, did a great job with his 96 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,439 event. It does a great job with all of their events, do a 97 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,680 good job with their pr I mean, there's nothing negative to say about it. 98 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,240 And uh, you know, we'll just have to wait and see the 99 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,399 exact date in the location. But it's this is a big deal for Cannelo 100 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:00,399 Alberts. And by the way, um my sources tell me that he is 101 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:04,120 being guaranteed north of forty million dollars for this bout. I believe it. 102 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:08,399 That's for this fight. That does not take into account what he may get 103 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,959 for the next two bounts on the deal. Yes, and okay, so 104 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,319 you slid in the quick. Oh by the way, comment, I don't 105 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,399 love this. We don't have to go on and on about this. But 106 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,720 again, Jamal Charlo has been off for two years and we'll have been off 107 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:25,120 for about twenty seven or twenty eight months whatever it is. If and when 108 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,839 that this does come to fruition and they do get in the ring, I 109 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:30,959 think a lot of people would rather see David Benavidez right away. But I 110 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,519 can understand there's levels to this and they'll have Benavides and David Morrell fight and 111 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,199 then have Canello fight the winner. That seems it's logical. Again for boxing, 112 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,920 there's logical, but I don't know if it makes sense to me. 113 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:47,680 I get what PBC is doing and they're taking care of one of their guys 114 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,040 who's been off for a long time, but I don't know how great a 115 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,519 matchup this is. And so there you go, all right, So that's 116 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,160 that's apparently the fight will wait for more reporting and including yours on when they 117 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:03,319 lock it down and that and that situation. I mean just from again my 118 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:08,600 sources again who are directly involved with making this deal. You know, in 119 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:11,759 the room, so to speak, it's gonna be Charlotte. That's the that's 120 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:14,920 the you know, unless he gets reinjured or something, but that's the opponent. 121 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:19,879 And I'm just interested here on your opinion, your take as to why 122 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,439 he went for a multi fight deal now when he wouldn't go for a multi 123 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:29,720 fight deal with PBC before the Caleb plant one was a one off. He 124 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,560 did do a multi fight deal with match Room coming off the pandemic year, 125 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:39,319 but he was fighting very quickly, three times within five or six months on 126 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:43,360 that three fight deal when he did a multi fight deal. What's your opinion 127 00:07:43,399 --> 00:07:46,480 on why now on the three fight deal just because of the other opponents at 128 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:50,160 one That's a good question. I mean, look, I think that first 129 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,480 of all, everything is fluid. It's always a fluid situation. What was 130 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:58,279 what's happening right now with Canello's life and career is not the same as what 131 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:01,160 was happening a year ago or two years ago. Number. I mean, 132 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,839 yes, of course he wants to go with there his opponents, and certainly 133 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,680 I mentioned a handful of opponents that could certainly take up three fights for Kennel 134 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:11,879 Alvarez with PBC. And by the way, that's not even to say that. 135 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:15,000 Lets and I'm making this up and then we're going to talk about the 136 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:18,000 Edgar Berlanga fight on the weekend. If Berlanga should show himself to be somebody 137 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,000 that would be interesting to Kennel to be on the other side of the ring 138 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,360 with him. Just because Edgar has signed an agreement with match Room Boxing doesn't 139 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:28,079 mean that they can't go offer him that fight also and bring him the PBC 140 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:33,120 for one fight, because that would still be a big deal for Berlanga and 141 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:37,039 also match Room would would be involved in some capacity I guess at least as 142 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,840 the as the promoter of Berlingas. So you know, they can still go 143 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,000 lure if there's some opponent that presents itself outside of the PBC universe. That 144 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,679 doesn't mean it can't happen, because they can just bring him in the fold 145 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,240 for that event, or you know, probably get an option on them whatever. 146 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,879 But I think the reason is a couple of things. One, obviously 147 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:56,519 they have opponents for him. Two, from a financial point of view, 148 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,039 I have to believe the money that was offered was great than what match Room 149 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,279 was going to offer Top Rank. Doesn't seem like they really had the appetite 150 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,679 to put that kind of guarantee up for a pay per view that they couldn't 151 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,080 really really get a good gauge on what the return would be, partly because 152 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,720 they don't really have the opponents for him to fight, adding middle Way or 153 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,360 supermitter weight, So even though they're a great promotion company, it just didn't 154 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,759 seem like it was something they were going to deal with at this point. 155 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,960 I also think, look, Canello's a little older now, again, he's 156 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,759 still a great fighter. But maybe coming closer towards the end of his career 157 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:37,279 and you know, he's looking for some guarantees or for some structure and without 158 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,840 having to go, won't worry about what he's doing. Fight to fight, 159 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,279 get somebody else to do the heavy lifting. Remember his company, even though 160 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,240 match Room was involved, really was Cannello's team that did the heavy lifting and 161 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:50,000 all the business for the Rider fight that took place in May. It's a 162 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,320 lot of work and maybe they realize that, you know what, let's go 163 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,480 with a company. Not that not that Natchroom Boxing is not perfectly capable of 164 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:58,919 putting on a huge event. They've done huge amount of events. They're a 165 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,600 great promoter also. But I think he just felt like a combination of what 166 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,000 my sales were on pay per view when I did a fight with them, 167 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:09,519 compare what they've been recently with PBC. I mean with NATRO plus the opponents, 168 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:13,840 plus the paycheck, plus the security. I think it just all added 169 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:15,919 up to you know what, this makes sense and let me do it. 170 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,679 And by the way, if three fights come and go, there's nothing to 171 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:20,840 say that after that he still won't be fighting at a good level and he 172 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,279 can go and make a deal somewhere else for some other fight, whether it's 173 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:28,080 one fight, two fights, whatever he wants. All right, we're good 174 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:31,200 enough on that. Again, we've got a lot of action in the ring. 175 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,960 But right away, now that we've gotten the top news out of the 176 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:39,039 way, let's hear from one of the participants. Former Unified one hundred and 177 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:43,360 fifty four pound champ is Julian Jay Rock Williams. He fights Carlos Adamis in 178 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:50,000 the WBC interim middleweight title fight. This is Showtime PBC from Minnesota on Saturday 179 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:56,279 night, and Dan Raphael spoke with Jay Rock and entertaining former world champion about 180 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,639 this showdown a little earlier this week. Want to welcome in to the podcast 181 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,960 this week. I'm very pleased to be joined by the former Unified junior middleweight 182 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:07,320 champion, Julian Jay Rock Williams. Julian, thank you very much for doing 183 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,480 this. Though you have an important fight coming up Saturday night on Showtime in 184 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:15,759 the main event in Minneapolis, You're going to challenge Carlos Adamas for the WBC's 185 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,159 inter a middleweight title, and I know it's important for you. You're looking 186 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:22,279 to get back on track win a title in another way class and move on 187 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,440 to bigger and better things. Tell me, first of all, how do 188 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,279 you feel about where you're at in your career right now? It's kind of 189 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:30,919 been some up, some downs, some inactivity, but a great opportunity presented 190 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,600 here. Uh you know what, man, be honest, everything that happened 191 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,639 in the past, it really doesn't matter whether the inactivity, the ups and 192 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,559 downs, you know what I mean, It really don't matter right now because 193 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,399 I'm here now and I can break all the roans and all the all the 194 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,759 ups and downs I had can be written, can be me right Starday night 195 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:54,559 in just thirty six minutes. That's a great that's a great attitude to have, 196 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:58,240 I guess, no doubt about it. Yep. Well, what do 197 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:01,320 you think about Carlos Adamis? I seen him fight several times. Seems like 198 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,639 he was a good amateur, very strong, just has the one loss that 199 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:09,480 was super close to Patrick Decita a few years ago for UH an interim title 200 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,679 which then became the full title one fifty four. What do you do? 201 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,600 How do you stack up with him? What is your take on his his 202 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:18,159 abilities? I think he's a good fighter. I do think he's a good 203 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,840 fighter. I think he seems to be a strong fighter, you know what 204 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:26,720 I mean? But uh, he's not an unbeautiful fighter. I don't I 205 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:31,039 don't want to. I don't see him. It's being unbeauted when obviously Patrion 206 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,279 set Sarah proved that. You know what I mean, I think he has 207 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,600 some holes in his game. And uh, I think he has some holes 208 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,879 in his makeup. So I think we're gonna we're gonna it's gonna be interesting 209 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,440 fight. When you say holes in his Makeum, I'm intrigued by that comment. 210 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:50,440 What do you mean by that? I don't want to dig into it 211 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,919 too much. I don't want to dig into it too much, but I 212 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,200 just know it's tight. That's all you can say about it. Got he 213 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,799 got a lot of blue inside him. So it's up to you to sort 214 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,679 of let's use the greatest example of standing up to the bully. I can 215 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,440 think of him boxing a Vander Holyfield against Mike Tyson bully the bully. Is 216 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:15,279 that what you're saying? Uh, not necessarily the way holy Field did it, 217 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:20,679 But yeah, okay. I think the thing is the thing about bullies 218 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,360 are they need you to react, They need you to like be scared of 219 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,600 them. They need you to like kind of like offer their bullshit. Well, 220 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,799 I mean, I've been covering your career pretty much from the day you 221 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,919 stepped on the stage on showtime. I've never known you to be a guy 222 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,559 fearful of anybody in front of you. With all the things you've been through 223 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,000 in your life, nobody's bullying me. Bro. I'm a I'm a man 224 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,799 first man, you know what I mean. I think, uh, just 225 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,720 judging from his fights, Bro, don't get me wrong, he's a good 226 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:56,480 fighter, yeah, just fights. I noticed when guys don't care about him. 227 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:00,440 He has problems with the guys that don't care about him, guys that 228 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,759 come to win. Well, you've always been a I mean I think you 229 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:07,519 know. And I'm not brown nosing here or kissing, but because we're doing 230 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,919 an interview, but I've alway, You've always struck me as a guy that, 231 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,639 whether you won the fights or lost the fights, you came to win 232 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,120 the fight. Absolutely absolutely. I'm not talking about me though, I'm talking 233 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:24,600 about him in his past opponents. Everybody that comes to win gives some trouble. 234 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,279 Okay, So about that. One of the things that's uh, you 235 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,559 know, I guess A little interesting is you both have been very quality fighters 236 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,919 in the junior midiweight division. He moved up, he claimed this interim title. 237 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,440 It's your question, Yeah, what quality win did he happen to nine 238 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,519 with junior midweight division? Well, I well, I guess not a big 239 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:48,840 win. I mean, he did have a great performance against the seat. 240 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,759 A lot of people thought he won the fight, So that's what I was 241 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:56,000 thinking about. But the point here I'm making is that you both have been 242 00:14:56,039 --> 00:15:00,399 guys in the dreamy midiway division. He moved up a little while ago he 243 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,679 won this interim belt. This is going to be your second fight in the 244 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:07,720 middleweight division. Was it a matter of you having accomplished things in Jinger middleweights 245 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,559 and wanting to go up, or just a matter of outgrowing the weight or 246 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:16,159 finding this to be a division where you could find other opportunity. How is 247 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:18,799 it for you in the middleweight division now? It's more so a case of 248 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,840 finding of the opportunities, you know what I mean. I think the joy 249 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:26,279 midweight division is pretty much seld up. You know, Jamal Chello got all 250 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:30,600 the belts. That's true. I'm doing sit a running a week for somebody 251 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:33,960 to call my name, So I got to create my own opportunities. So 252 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:39,600 I decided to go up, and this opportunity presented itself. Now I understand 253 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,480 what you said when we first kicked off this conversation about you don't want to 254 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,759 really look back at the past. But I'd be remiss if I didn't ask. 255 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:46,159 When I looked at your record as I was getting ready to talk to 256 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:50,679 you today, and I did notice that, you know, you had become 257 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:54,200 champion in the Dream midweight division. That was a great victory against Jared Hurt 258 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,960 to become unified, one of your probably your best performance. I would say. 259 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,080 You lost the title in your next fight in his home town in Philadelphia 260 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:06,519 by stoppage. But since the win overheard, it's been pretty inactive. One 261 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:10,279 fight in twenty nineteen, one fight in twenty twenty, one fight in twenty 262 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,039 twenty one, and then the last fight in twenty twenty two. Can you 263 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,440 and I know, I know COVID affected some people at that time. What 264 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,200 was the reason though, for we're literally one fight over each of the last 265 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,679 four years. I don't necessarily want to get into the reason why, because 266 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,720 really fruitful we had now it really does not matter. But I think in 267 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:33,840 activity. I had a few injuries, I was fighting, and I just 268 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,799 but I never really stopped working, you know what I mean. I always 269 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:38,080 was in the gym. Man, my coach was going through a going through 270 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,840 a lot, you know what I mean. So I just think it was 271 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,799 accumulation of a bunch of things. It's not one specific reason. And then 272 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:48,000 we had COVID, right, the whole whortle slowed down with COVID. I 273 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:56,480 actually had a date December when h was December twenty, December twenty twenty. 274 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,799 Yeah, yeah, December twenty twenty. I had a date and then at 275 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,240 COVID then it fell through and then everything was like it was just bad from 276 00:17:04,279 --> 00:17:08,400 there. So but you's got to fight through it. Man. You mentioned 277 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,519 about you and your coach. You you were trained by Stephen Bredman Edwards, 278 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:15,200 and you guys had a little bit of a spot there where you weren't working 279 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,039 together after many years of working together. Now you're back together. Can you 280 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,480 just briefly tell me sort of what the what happened that caused you to part 281 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:26,000 for a little while and then now you seem back together and all as well. 282 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:30,559 Again, I rather not talk about that even but I do. Uh, 283 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:33,200 I will say, we just said that I have a head a conversation 284 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,599 and we have some disagreements. We have some agreements, so we came to 285 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,160 an agreement to work each other again. Let's been a smooth ever since. 286 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:45,000 So how important then, do you feel like the fight is because of the 287 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,599 things we talked about? You're back with the coach, You're you're now ending. 288 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:52,279 Uh, it's you're not You're not that in acting because you did just 289 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,039 fight in November, so relative to your previous couple of years, it's actually 290 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,920 a second fight in like eight months or so, which by your recent stand 291 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,880 dually busy. You sound like you're confident, in a in a good spot. 292 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,039 Where where do you are you? I mean, I'm not worried about 293 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:10,720 Jay Rock the boxer in terms of physical you always come in good shape and 294 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:14,920 and there where are you in emotionally and mentally preparing for what is a very 295 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,599 important fight for your career. I'm just ready to just do it, Like 296 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:26,200 I'm not anxious. I'm also like, uh, how can I say I'm 297 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,319 just ready? You know what I mean? I'm just ready. I think 298 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:34,160 I think it's a perfect timing. I think it's a perfect timing and besides 299 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,000 a win against Carlos Adamas, which would be obviously a high profile win a 300 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,440 Showtime main event. Uh, do you have what other sorts of goals and 301 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,319 aspirations you have in the sport? And I and I ask you that because 302 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,359 I follow you on social media, I see you do some other things. 303 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,240 Obviously you're more than just a boxer. You know, you've got your your 304 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:55,559 family, you do your I believe, real estate adventures, that sort of 305 00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:57,599 thing. But what else is it within boxing that you strive for still, 306 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,440 that you that you dream about, that you have goals for. I want 307 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:07,160 to create a lasting legacy. I think that every leg every every error has 308 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,119 certain fighters from from from every division that people who's just always gonna remember, 309 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,400 Like from this, from this error, you got guys like Taras Crawford, 310 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:22,519 Alexander us Errol Spins. Those guys are going to people remember for the next 311 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:25,279 era. So what I want to do is I want to create a body 312 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,720 work where I'll be remarried in the next era. And you feel like this 313 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,599 is the type of fight that can at least put you on that pathway two 314 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,480 division champion. Yeah, Well, there will be those that say that you 315 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:41,400 will win if you win the fight against Adamas, you know, and no 316 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:47,839 disrespect, but it's an interim it's an interim title. What what can I 317 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,000 do about that? No, listen, you're you're the one that said two 318 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:52,839 division champion. I'm just making the point that it's going to be a great 319 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:55,519 win if you get it. But I don't think people will consider you the 320 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,240 real champion, not because you didn't work harder have a good fight, but 321 00:19:57,319 --> 00:20:03,039 because I understand you. Uh, and so is there other I mean your 322 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:07,039 weight class right now? I mean you are there, and Adamis is there 323 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,880 and the rest of the weight class. You know, Charlot has been inactive, 324 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:15,640 Gnati Golofkin is I guess in sort of semi retirement. Um, you 325 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,240 know Canello moved up a few years ago. Like, it's not the deepest 326 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:22,720 weight class, right who else is out there for you? Do you think? 327 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:29,960 But I don't even know exactly. I don't know. Marada retired recently, 328 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:34,680 another another guy. Uh, It's it's in one case, you could 329 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,480 look at it and say not the deepest division, not a lot to do. 330 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,599 But on the other hand, you know you are by your moving up 331 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,480 because of your past experiences at junior middleweight and the popularity you had in the 332 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:51,519 performances. Are probably one of the best known middleweights in the world right now. 333 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:55,640 Probably yeah, probably all right, So I'll just wrap it up like 334 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,880 this then, Julian, what are you going to show the fans who are 335 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,279 watching Saturday weaving seeing you in this level fight in a while? Because your 336 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,480 most recent fight was, you know, a rounder kind of like on the 337 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:07,799 YouTube stream. What do you want them to see? What are they gonna 338 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:14,319 see? Seemmy winning? That's what they want to see me? Do you 339 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,440 want to see me win? Always coming to the fights where I always have 340 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:21,680 a like a basic game plan, but I always coming to fights a word, 341 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,119 I feel like I'm gonna win. However, I gotta win. I 342 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,039 mean, that's what I'm playing on doing Saturday night. I got a game 343 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,319 plan. We went over every game plan we want to. We crossed on 344 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,400 urts and down all our eyes. But at the end of damn will win 345 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,400 however I gotta win? Well, I wish you the best of luck in 346 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,920 achieving that goal. And I can't thank you no for doing this today. 347 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,759 Thank you. I appreciate you. You bet, that's the luck to you. 348 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:51,440 On Saturday. Okay, so there's the guy that's the challenger coming up 349 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,640 against Carlos addamis more from you on him and on this matchup? Please that 350 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:00,319 headlines from Minnesota Saturday night. Well, I have to say this, when 351 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,119 this fight was first announced, I didn't dislike the match or anything like that. 352 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,039 I was just not like super excited about it. I was like, 353 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:08,559 Okay, that's a pretty decent match, that's solid. It'll be good to 354 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:11,119 watch. You know, it wouldn't be bad at all. But I can't 355 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:17,119 say I was like overly enthusiastic about it. But the combination of having watched 356 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,519 their news conference on Thursday, having spent some time talking to Julian in the 357 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:26,319 interview that folks just heard writing a story about Adamas, writing a story about 358 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,599 Julian Williams like I actually, and listening to how they spoke and what they 359 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,039 had to say, and sort of like their interactions, I kind of started 360 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:36,079 to get a little more excited about this. I actually think we're in for 361 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,319 a little bit of a treat. I don't necessarily think it's gonna go the 362 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,160 distance, which is not a bad thing, but I'm more intrigued now by 363 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,720 this matchup than I was, you know, a few days ago, let's 364 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,880 say, because now that I've started to pay attention to it and listen to 365 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,400 what they had to say. I mean, look, it's an interesting match 366 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:55,279 from this standpoint. Okay, they're both in different spots in their career. 367 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:57,680 Adamis is still sort of an emerging fighter. He's not the most known guy 368 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,559 in the world. You know, he had an opportunity in a in a 369 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,680 title fight at Jermanaway, which was an interim title fight. But everybody knew 370 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,559 going into that fight with Patrick to Sita that the winner in the next few 371 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,960 days after that was going to be elevated because of the schedule of the uh 372 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:15,880 the title holder at that time. So he lost that fight on a super 373 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,880 close decision, and to Cita won the title. He then had one more 374 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,200 fight, but then he moved up and wait and since he's gone to middleweight. 375 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:26,400 Um, you know, he's looked much better. His signature went at 376 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,960 the moment is the victory close one majority decision. And we've we talked about 377 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,519 a couple weeks ago when he defeated Sergey Devinchenko. We mentioned that when Devinchenko 378 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:41,240 was going into his fight with Mangia. Then he absolutely destroyed one Messius Montiel. 379 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,640 Now that on its surface is not like some spectacular victory, but here's 380 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,799 the thing that was in October and he just destroyed the guy. That's the 381 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,160 same one Massius Montiel, who a couple of fights in his career earlier had 382 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,000 gone the distance in a decision lost to Charlo, and even though it was 383 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:56,079 very wide, he kind of made Charlotte looked bad in that fight. So 384 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,680 that was a good win for Damas and now he goes that was for the 385 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,559 term vacant title because of Charlot being out for so along, the WBC allowed 386 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:06,319 that to be for the interim title. They're still waiting on Charlo's return. 387 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,519 Now it looks like he won't defend the title because he'll go and fight Canelo 388 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:11,640 Alvarez at one hundred and sixty eight pounds. So he's fighting Julian Williams in 389 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,599 the first defense of that interim title. And Julian Williams is an interesting situation 390 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,359 because, look, it wasn't that long ago, j and we're talking about 391 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,000 like in the end of twenty nineteen ish, you know, that's that second 392 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:26,160 half of twenty nineteen. He had in May of twenty nineteen, actually in 393 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,519 a fight that took place literally down the street from my house in a Fairfax, 394 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:33,839 Virginia at the Eagle Bank Arena that is the home arena on the campus 395 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:38,440 of George Mason University, which I live in that neighborhood. He put he 396 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,720 beat Jared Hurt in an upset and won the unified title. That was a 397 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,599 huge victory for him that night, and that put him, I think, 398 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,240 in most people's minds at that moment, number one in the world. That 399 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,200 one hundred and fifty four pounds he came to. Not only did he win 400 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,440 the fight, but he basically wasn't exactly Jared Hurt's hometown, but it's his 401 00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:00,160 home region. Jared Hurt lives in Maryland, right over the river, you 402 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,960 know, half an hour twenty minutes from that arena where they fought. But 403 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:06,960 then turn about his fair play, right, he goes home to Philadelphia for 404 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:10,920 his first defense. I get his Jason Rosario I fight. I was also 405 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,519 ringside four in January of twenty and twenty, and maybe he was celebrating the 406 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:17,920 victory a little too much and taken in the home crowd a little bit too 407 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,759 much and Anyway, he got his ass knocked out and it wasn't pretty well 408 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,920 and Jason Rosario won the unified title that night. So his title ran was 409 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:29,240 brief seven or eight months, you know, in two thousand and nineteen into 410 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,319 the early part of two thousand and twenty, and it was a rough go 411 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:36,079 because he lost the title in a knockout. Then he had another company his 412 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,319 return from that, he lost the decision against the journeyman Vladimir Hernandez in a 413 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,240 fight he just looked absolutely terrible. And that was in October of twenty one. 414 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:49,119 That was on the undercard of of the Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder third fight. 415 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,319 I was also ringside for that. That was he was fighting deep on 416 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,839 the undercard. He looked really bad that night. So you're like, okay, 417 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,240 what is up with Jay Rock Williams. So in November of this past 418 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:02,720 year, he moved up to middleweight. He had a couple of long layoffs. 419 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:06,359 He people heard in the interview a little bit was injury related, et 420 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,960 cetera. Had changed trainer, has gone back to Brett Man, his original 421 00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,599 trainer. But he won the eight rounder and now it puts him in this 422 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,920 position. So it's sort of like us. He's discussed this can rejuvenate his 423 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,960 career if he wins against a Damas, He's back in business by combing to 424 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,720 the middleweight division, which is pretty much at this moment devoid of big names. 425 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:27,240 When you take into account the fact that a Charlote hasn't fought for two 426 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,680 years and is moving up for his next fight. Triple G is semi retired. 427 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,400 You know, go on right down the line. You know, janebec 428 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:37,680 is not a well known guy. Julian Williams, by coming into the weight 429 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,480 class right away, is one of the better known names in the division. 430 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:42,720 I mean he got even, Like we talked about it before. Andre went 431 00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:47,079 up, Mungie has gone up, devern Chenko has gone up, Danny Jacobs 432 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,599 has gone up to Demitrius Andre another guy that has moved up. All these 433 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,240 guys moved up. So it puts Julian Williams as one of the better names 434 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,160 in the middleweight division. And if he can win the fight, you know, 435 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,720 it puts him in a pretty good position for some bigger business, even 436 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,920 though the weight class is not the greatest. But Adamas is no joke. 437 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,319 I mean he's a tough dude also, and he's been talking a good game 438 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,039 also. I liked the interactions between them at the press coverts. I expect 439 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,559 this to be a fun fight and may the best man win. The one 440 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,039 thing that gives me pause. With all due respect to Julian Williams, so 441 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:18,480 I've always liked he has not shown the greatest chin in the world. When 442 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,039 he got knocked out by Rotario, When he got knocked out earlier in his 443 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:26,240 career by Jamal Charlot, that was down when they were fighting. That was 444 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,119 his first opportunity to fight for a title at one hundred and fifty four pounds. 445 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,839 He got wrecked in that fight. So we'll see. I mean he's 446 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,480 a good guy. Adamas has been a good fighter also and just just a 447 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,759 nice matchup. The conversation will continue in a moment. First, HIMS has 448 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:47,400 been helping guys like you, me and everywhere with health and wellness needs. 449 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,400 If you're having issues in the bad room, you're not alone, but HIMS, 450 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,079 as you covered, HIMS has lots of personalized options to treat eed like 451 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,480 by aggress c alas and hard mens win a green Jewebel tablets compounded with doctor 452 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:06,880 Trusted ingredients, New Discrete and only available through Hymns. 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So the winner of this fight should be the 471 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:33,359 guy for the WBC. And my only question is when will they do that? 472 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,599 Will they wait till after the Cannelo fight or do it this summer before 473 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,799 that happens. I'm actually I'm gonna I'm gonna at some point the next few 474 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,079 days, I'm going to message Mauricio Suleiman from the WBC and just asking he's 475 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,960 always been generous with his time. In his response, well, he alluded 476 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:49,440 to and I know we want to move on to the restauant. He alluded 477 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,359 to they were gonna name Jamal Trolo champion in recess, almost hinting that he 478 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,039 knew the Canelo thing might be coming together. But whatever, I mean, 479 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,359 he hasn't fought in two years, there is much less. How do you 480 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,559 have any credibility on stripping guys if you're gonna let somebody not defend the title 481 00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:08,079 for two plus years and still be a argument. Good argue, and I'm 482 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,000 not saying you are all right. So that's the main event. On that 483 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,319 undercard. We have ericson Lubin back in action and what could be a very 484 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,599 competitive fight we suspect with Luis Arias in the co feature one hundred and fifty 485 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,640 four pounders, and we have a title fight as well on the undercard. 486 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,799 Give me a little more on this. Well, Luban is in a situation 487 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,079 where he it's time for him to live up to the expectations. I had 488 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,200 him as a prospect of the year a few years ago. He just hasn't 489 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,640 lived up to the prospects to that everybody thought he had. You know, 490 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,880 when he stepped up against the better guys, he's been beaten. He got 491 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,039 beaten by not only beaten, but badly beaten in the first round, by 492 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,559 a knockout against Jamal Charlow. This is back in twenty seventeenth and his first 493 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,039 world title fight at one fifty four. You know, some might see he 494 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,519 was a little too young, not not ready for that. Okay, fine, 495 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:49,920 but it's not like he looked lights out since then, even though he's 496 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,839 has sports and decent wind Z h Smith and Gallimore and who's the other guy? 497 00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:59,880 He beat Arl Gache, he knocked out Jason Razzario, So those are 498 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,559 okay wins. But then when he stepped up again and he was fighting for 499 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:04,759 the WBC's interim title at one fifty four. This is in his most recent 500 00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:10,000 fight, that was fourteen months ago. Last April, he got knocked out 501 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,279 by Sebastian Fandora in what was a monster Fight of the Year candidate, just 502 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:17,759 an epic type of fight. A lot some people picked it as the fight 503 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:22,000 of the year, just a tremendous battle, but it was Ericson Luban that 504 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:26,440 got knocked out. So he has not fought now in fourteen months since that 505 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,160 fight. So we had a layoff after the Rosario fight. Now he's got 506 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,839 another layoff after that fight against Fandora. So he comes back against comes back 507 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,920 against Luis Arias, and honestly, it's time for Luban the show. If 508 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,000 he's the real deal, and that I would I would be disappointed with anything 509 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:45,759 less than a knockout if I'm a Luban guy. Arias talks a big game. 510 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:49,319 He's one of the best trash talkers in business. But he hasn't really 511 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,839 shown that in terms of his abilities, because when he has stepped up generally, 512 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:59,000 he has lost. His one quote unquote big win came a couple of 513 00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:00,759 years ago. Uh. He was on a I think it was a Jake 514 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:05,839 Paul undercard if I'm not mistaken. Uh. He fought against Jared Hurd, 515 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,240 the former unified champion that we mentioned and uh was it. It was the 516 00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:12,799 undercard of Uh, I take that back, it was the undercard of Logan 517 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,279 Paul. Was that the fight that was in the rain stopping it with the 518 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,680 slick ring in Miami. It stopped like twice for the rain. That was 519 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,680 the That was the exhibition between Floyd and Logan Paul. He got a win 520 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,400 in an upset by split decision, very close fight in the Rain on that 521 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,839 undercard, But then he lost to Vaughan Alexander, who was just a journeyman, 522 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,279 I mean, a hard nosed guy. But no excuse, no excuse 523 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:40,079 to lose to Von Alexander if you're if you think you're anything in terms of 524 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,400 being a serious contender. So that was a terrible loss for him. He 525 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,599 has one win since them. Now he's fighting Luban. The one thing he's 526 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:51,000 got going for him, that if and if Luban can get the knockout would 527 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,200 be impressive to me. Is uh you know, and Luis Arias's defeats, 528 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,319 he's never been stopped, so you know, this is a very I can't 529 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,319 I mean, you don't want to try to make him out out of a 530 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,599 mole hill. But I truly believe that in the in the trajectory of ericson 531 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,000 Lubin's career, who came in with huge amounts of hype, signed on his 532 00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:12,640 twenty first birthday with Mike Tyson's old promotional company. A lot of people thought 533 00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:15,720 he was going to the Olympics. He turned pro instead when he turned eighteen, 534 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:19,440 and he just hasn't lived up to the hype just yet, and it's 535 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,039 time to do it. It's you know, he's no longer a young kid 536 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:28,079 anymore in this sport. He's you know, in his later twenties at this 537 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,279 point. It's time to get going and I want to see a lights out 538 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,799 performance from Lubin in the co feature. And on the other fight that you 539 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,119 mentioned, there's a title fight that is the bantamweight title fight. Uh Fernando 540 00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:42,279 Daniel Martinez from Argentina, who was fifteen to o. He is defending his 541 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,920 title for the second time against a Filipino fighter named Jade Barney. And now 542 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,039 remember and February of last year, he had the upset decision over Jerwin and 543 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,359 Costas, who had at that time held the title longer than anybody current in 544 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,319 the weight class. He'd been around for a while, made I don't know, 545 00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:59,039 like eight or nine defenses or something like that, and he scored the 546 00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:02,200 upset a pretty competitive decision, even though the cards were kind of wide. 547 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,720 He then beat on Costas and an immediate rematch took place in October. So 548 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,239 now he's gotten rid of that in his first defense, and here comes borneya 549 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,000 the mandatory he would like on Costas as a Filipino who is eighteen and oz 550 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,519 with twelve knockouts, and it seems like on paper a very competitive fight. 551 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:22,800 I have absolutely no idea how it's gonna go. Borney is not the most 552 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,800 experienced guy in terms of his opponents. But then again, when Martinez defeated 553 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,800 Jerwana Cazas, it wasn't like he was a super well experienced guy against quality 554 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,400 opponents. But you know, Barney's reputation as a guy that comes to fight. 555 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,480 He's beaten. You know, some of the journeyman name that you may 556 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:43,480 have heard of. He has fought over you know, he's fought some of 557 00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:45,599 his fights in Mexico. He's fought in the United States in addition to fighting 558 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:49,119 in the Philippine. So it's not like he hasn't traveled without an issue. 559 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,159 So we'll see it should be, you know, as as opening fights go 560 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,920 on, a triple header solid as a rock, good enough, all right? 561 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,960 The Zone and the debut of Edgar Berlanga, a new signee for his 562 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:06,039 own. Berlanga, by the way, privately has to be wondering what the 563 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,760 hey, because part of his motivation was signing with match Room was a possible 564 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,199 Canelo fight, and he signs a multi fight deal. Correct me if I'm 565 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,039 wrong with match Room, and now Canello has a multi fight deal with a 566 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:19,960 rival promotion. All right, he's gonna headline. Jason Quigley is the opponent. 567 00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,840 This is in New York. Give me a little more on this with 568 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,719 the backdrop here for Saturday night, Well, I mean this is the Edgar 569 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,719 Berlanga show. I mean, no, no, with disrespect that Jason quickly, 570 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:35,000 but Berlanga, everybody remembers he had that incredible shriek of scoring knockouts in 571 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,880 his first sixteen fights in a row in the first round when he was fighting 572 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,320 for top rank, and he was getting all the hype on ESPN, and 573 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:44,920 they would put countdown clocks of you know, how quickly he was in the 574 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:45,840 or is he going to get the knock out on the first minute, the 575 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,119 second minute, is he gonna go with? You know, a minute, 576 00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,519 forty two minutes, forty five? How deep in the road is he gonna 577 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,519 go before he gets to ko? Obviously that was never gonna last forever. 578 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:57,039 But now he's gone four fights to the row where he's gone the distance. 579 00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:01,199 Now granted the opponents he's going the distance with have then reasonable step up in 580 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,199 opposition. You know, Demon Nicholson tough as nails, who we knocked down 581 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:07,199 a bunch of times, but still when the rounds with you know, he 582 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:13,000 had the fight in Las Vegas against Marcello Kosaris, who had fought for a 583 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:15,719 world title. He won that fight, but he got off the deck from 584 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,960 his first knockdown. He also fought through a badly. You know, he 585 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:22,039 had a torn biceps in that fight and had surgery afterwards. So he showed 586 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,079 a lot of heart, so those were sort of forgivable kind of distance fights, 587 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,920 you know. But then he goes to distance with Steve Roles, which 588 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,719 was kind of surprising who had been blown out by by Triple G. And 589 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,679 then he kind of hit bottom in terms of his reputation, I guess, 590 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,159 and people's sort of irritation with him because in June of last year, so 591 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,639 literally one year and two weeks ago, fifty four weeks ago, he's coming 592 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:49,079 back now, he was in a main event on a Top Rank card with 593 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,760 Romer Alexis Angulo, and yes, he won the fight. The problem was 594 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,679 not only did he not get the knockout, but during the course of the 595 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,159 fight, he tried to bite and google on the shoulder and then he made 596 00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,079 light of it in his poet fight interview, and for that he was suspended 597 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:07,239 for six months and fine by the New York State Commission. And you know, 598 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,880 he was eligible to fight at the end of last year, but that 599 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,760 did not happen. He and his team, as manager Keith Connelly, they 600 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,239 did a separation agreement with Top Rank. They just had different opinions about, 601 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:20,960 you know, did he belong in a main event, should he being on 602 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,440 an undercard, how much did you get paid at what? How quickly should 603 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,360 we move view, et cetera. And they decided to go their separate ways. 604 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,480 Top Rank gave him a release, and he then became a very much 605 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,000 sought after fore agent, and you had Golden Boy chasing after him, and 606 00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,199 you had PBC talking to him, and Yet and Eddie Hearn talking to him, 607 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,480 and Connolly, who's the manager who's done business with all those companies. 608 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,239 They liked the deal that Eddie Hearne offered and they signed with Eddie Hearn And 609 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,840 this will be his debut fight for that promotion company back at the theater at 610 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,519 Madison Square Garden, so he'll have his fans there. He's a Puerto Rican 611 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,559 from Brooklyn. But as as makes sense when you're doing these types of shows, 612 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,559 they've matched them up with another fighter that might bring in fans. They 613 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,320 put on an undercard of different ethnicities and different people from the city that will 614 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,000 bring fans, so they expect a sellout crowd there. He's fighting Jason Quickly, 615 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,599 who's a you know, a tough Irish fighter who's probably best known I 616 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:15,039 guess for his knockout loss to Demetrius Andred in two rounds in the end of 617 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:19,880 twenty twenty one fighting for the WBO middleweight title. Now he's you know, 618 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,679 he's had one fight at one sixty eight. That was his most recent fight 619 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,000 that took place in April, but he was fighting a guy that was like 620 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:29,400 twelve or thirteen or fourteen fights under five hundred. So he's stepping in with 621 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,920 Berlang gets that's it's he's a big underdog for a reason. And you know 622 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:36,960 Eddie Herness said numerous times since this was made, you know, we want 623 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,760 to see Edgar Berlanga the superstar we think he can be, and that means 624 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,760 getting a big knockout. And so the expectation from everybody is that he's going 625 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,880 to go in there and walk through Jason quickly, knock out the smaller man, 626 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,079 and show that these four fights I've gone the distance and are not the 627 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,239 norm, that I can still score big knockouts. Interesting on the bet Us 628 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,559 line. And again, this will be the first plug the bet US Show 629 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,920 Live one Eastern Time on Friday before I hit the vacation road. Berlanga over 630 00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:06,960 under his four and a half interest quickly. I'm really surprised that it wasn't 631 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:08,440 lower that it wasn't three and a half. We haven't had a two and 632 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,719 a half, but I'm I'm kind of surprised it wasn't three and a half. 633 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,719 So four and a half is an interesting spot there from the bit Us 634 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,000 oddsmakers on will quickly hear that bill for the fifth round or not? I 635 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:22,960 mean, there's a lot of reasons to like sort of wonder because Burlana hasn't 636 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,960 had a knockout in a while, he is coming off the year long layoff. 637 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,079 He seems like he's in good frame of mind, had injury as well, 638 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,880 Yet injury at one point did he not welly? But he's long over 639 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,599 that. I don't. There's no particular injury associated with this layoff. This 640 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,920 was really the combination of the suspension and then when the suspension was over, 641 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,719 going through the process of parting with top Rank and then signing with Matum and 642 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,320 getting a date schedule, so that took a few months to have that all 643 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,360 workout. This was not injury related. So he's coming back. You know, 644 00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,159 it's not like he fought badly. It's not like he loss got knocked 645 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:58,400 out or anything like that. He just had you know, some frustrations in 646 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,880 that fight and did what he shouldn't have done, which is trying to bite 647 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,320 the dude and then joke around about it afterwards about it, I'm gonna be 648 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,199 the next Mike Tyson for my punching and my biting. Apparently with Quickly, 649 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,159 he's the question mark. What has he got? I mean, he got 650 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:13,800 blown away by Dmitris Andre who's a great, you know, a tremendous fighter. 651 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,199 I mean, he's got pound for pound skills. He hasn't had a 652 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,320 chance to fight out any of the top guys. So what is Jason Quickly 653 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,079 hang his hat on? He hangs his hat on at this moment in time 654 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,400 a fight from twenty twenty one where he won a majority decision that was very 655 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,320 close against Shane Mosley Junior was not exactly a pound for pound candidate like his 656 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,119 old man, Shane Molesey Senior was. So you know, by all rights, 657 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,000 Jason Quickly is a big underdog and people expect but Burlena to get the 658 00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:42,679 knockout. But as I've said numerous times, you can't you can't measure the 659 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,559 guy's heart, and I believe Quickly has it. It's just a matter can 660 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:51,079 he take the punches. Uh. My first reactions that would be probably not. 661 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,519 But who knows what Berlanga has got after all the issues and the and 662 00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:59,360 the time off and the But I do suspect he wants to make a great 663 00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,880 account of himself in his first fight with match Room. You know, whether 664 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,320 there's a Canelo fight or not is not relevant. He knows that he can't 665 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,199 do any of that stuff if he doesn't look good against Jason quickly, and 666 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,800 so you know, I'll be honest, I'm a little more intrigued by this 667 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,800 fight now than I was not that long ago. After I watched the two 668 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,639 guys on Thursday, I watched the press conference they had on the zone to 669 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,360 see how they sized each other up and looked at each other. And you 670 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,840 know, I'm kind of interested to see this. I mean, not only 671 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,079 if Berlenka get the knocked out, but it can quickly hang in there, 672 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,639 maybe pull the upset. I mean, again, not the biggest fight in 673 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:30,239 the world, but I'm more interested now than I was a few days ago. 674 00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,320 We have some news and some nostalgia coming up, but real quick, 675 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,239 anything else off that undercard that stands out to you. I mean, the 676 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,239 undercard is you know, it's got some good prospects on there, like they 677 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,440 have Roshot Maddy, who's a match room prospect who's on the main card on 678 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,760 the before the Belt, a light heavyweight that is it looked like he can 679 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,480 maybe do something down the road as Khalil Co. But the co feature that's 680 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,840 sort of squasi interesting because I just look at it like it could be one 681 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,840 of these heavyweight slobber knockers. Like I don't think either guys, you know, 682 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,239 go into the championship thing like that. But they can make a fun, 683 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,920 exciting fight. And that's the Polish contender from Brooklyn, Adam Kuannaski, 684 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,159 who I know personally for a few years, who's a a just a great 685 00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:10,320 guy to hang out with, a hat dinner with him. He's you know, 686 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,519 I love the guy. I mean, he's a fun fighter to watch. 687 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:15,840 Maybe him a little biased in that sense, but Adam's in a tough 688 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,760 spot. I mean this is his first fight training with sugar Hill Steward, 689 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,679 you know, the nephew of the great Emmanuel Stewart, and he's got his 690 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,079 work cut out for him. I mean not to say that Joe Kusumano, 691 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,440 who is his opponent, is a superstar heavyweight. Even though he looks the 692 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,000 party, looks in good shape, and he's strong as a bull and all 693 00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:36,199 that. But the problem with Konaki's he's lost three fights in a row and 694 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,000 hasn't looked very good losing them. You know, he got Remember he was 695 00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:42,239 like steamrolling towards a world title fight. Everybody thought he was gonna fight Deontay 696 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,719 Wilder, that was the plan, and then he got and this was not 697 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,360 just a loss, but a rough loss. He got stopped in the fourth 698 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,599 round by Robert Helenius. This was March twenty twenty. This was the final 699 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,679 fight that I covered at in person before the whole world shut down because of 700 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,800 COVID. The fight the next week in New York was, of course Stevenson. 701 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,719 That I was supposed to travel back to New York four was canceled, 702 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,559 as was everything. So I covered Konaski against Millennius one and then didn't go 703 00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:12,639 to another fight for like seventeen months until I went back to Texas for the 704 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,840 Canelo Billy Joe fights. So I remember that fight very well. But he 705 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,000 came back after the loss Hillenius. He had an immediate rematch in the end 706 00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:22,360 of twenty twenty one, and instead of getting stopped in the fourth round, 707 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,920 he got stopped in the sixth round. And it was at least when he 708 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,800 got stopped in the first fight, it was he was winning the fight up 709 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,599 to that point. He got claver in the fight. In the rematch, 710 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:34,280 it went six rounds, but he got his ass kicked and lost every round 711 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,639 and then got knocked out. And then after that he came back again and 712 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,840 he fought the Olympian ali Arin de Mezzerin and he lost a unanimous decision. 713 00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,320 So he's coming off three losses in a row. So there was a thought 714 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,639 he's going to retire after that loss. Now he's in a situation where if 715 00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,840 you don't, if you it's this is winner go home. You know again, 716 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,480 looks the part spoke well at the press conference. You know, I 717 00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:59,920 think they'll make it a fun fight forever long and last He's got four losses 718 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:02,960 stop one time. The most notable loss of his career was the stoppage, 719 00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,559 which was on American TV when he got knocked out in the first round by 720 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:09,679 ding It. He got destroyed that night on the undercard with the Jake Paul 721 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,960 first fight with Woodley on the paper, and he hasn't really ever fought anybody 722 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,800 else, have you real any consequence at all? So you know, this 723 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,079 should be a can ask you win, even if he's a you know, 724 00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,880 not what he wants was, But who the heck most I mean, they're 725 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,639 heavyweights, and I don't even care who wins. I mean, I like 726 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,679 Adam, but I don't have an interest in who wins the fight. I'd 727 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,840 like to see a heavyweight slobber knockers what I'd like to see. So that 728 00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:36,119 is the match Room card, the match Room to Zone card that is coming 729 00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:38,920 Saturday night. Also another world title fight in edition to everything else we're talking 730 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,000 about, but no US TV on this one. It's Joshua Franco rematch with 731 00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:47,800 kaz Ioka in Tokyo's Saturday morning US time. We'll talk more on the bet 732 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,519 US show on Friday one Eastern time. That's a fifty fifty fight on the 733 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:59,199 bet US line with Ioka right now like minus one ten to win, and 734 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,199 it's like a plu Us one twenty five or Franco in the upset if you 735 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,679 can even call it an upset on that. So we'll make some handicapping on 736 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,480 that lot. Of action. Just disappointing about that fight. I mean that 737 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:10,960 we'll get on on the US show, But the disappointing part, frankly, 738 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,480 is that there's no US broadcaster. And as I wrote in my column the 739 00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:19,400 other day, in this day and age of streaming, it is just absurt 740 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,320 that there's no way to watch that legally in the United States, YEP, 741 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:24,280 or anywhere I think outside, not just in the side of Japan. It's 742 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:29,760 anywhere outside of Japan. And if I'm correct, I remember this because there 743 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,760 was not a way to see it live. But it was interesting because there 744 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:37,559 was a corner person or a fan or something in the Franco camp that was 745 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,360 live streaming the fight on Instagram and I found that live stream because you couldn't 746 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,360 watch it. It was on Japanese TV. You couldn't watch it, so 747 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:47,639 who knows how you can see that fight. We'll talk more about Ioca and 748 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:53,519 Franco just real quick in the handicapping mode on Friday show at one Eastern time. 749 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,400 News. Let's get to some news real quick and interesting about match room 750 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,360 boxing, and speaking of Franco, his brother Bam Rodriguez, and Sonny Edwards, 751 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,079 we have news of a unification fight. Tell me more, Dan Raphael, 752 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,679 Well, it's it's probably the best fight or one of the best fights 753 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,880 anyway you can make in the flyweight division. I think if you took a 754 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,599 look at any honest set of rankings, they would be one in two or 755 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,239 at worst, you know, one in three or two and three. I 756 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,639 mean, you're basically talking about those two guys, and maybe Julius sees our 757 00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:28,440 Martinez, but I look at Sonny Edwards and Bam Rodriguez is a two number 758 00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,719 two, you know, the one and two flyweights in the world. When 759 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,519 Edwards signed with match Room Boxing not that long ago, the whole plan was, 760 00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:36,400 I'm going to get a fight this summer and then I'm going to have 761 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,000 a unification fight. Bam Rodriguez wanted a unification fight when he came down and 762 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:43,719 weight in one the WBO belt. And now this fight has been made. 763 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,679 You know, Bam Rodriguez, I guess is now or at least will be 764 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,920 by the time he has to start his training camp and go into the fight 765 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,039 recovered from the broken jaw that he suffered when he won the title against you 766 00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:59,440 know, against Gonzalez. That was the vacant belt and Sonny Edwards signed with 767 00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:01,880 match Room At his first fight under that deal that took place, you know, 768 00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:06,800 just a couple of weeks ago. He won that fight against Campos and 769 00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,360 you know, pretty one sided decision. And so now they've made this fight. 770 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,280 They wouldn't They've been talking about each other. Bam has talked about him. 771 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,079 Sonny talked about Bam quite a bit during the build up to his title 772 00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:20,079 defense that took place, like I said recently, and now the dead has 773 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,320 done. Eddie Hearn announced on his social media and Matchroom Boxing also this fight 774 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,440 is signed, This fight is sealed, and they will deliver it to us. 775 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,199 The date has not been specified. My sources tell me this fight will 776 00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:35,039 take place late November or early December. It will take place in the United 777 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,440 States. Remember, Sonny is from England, obviously, Bam is from San 778 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,679 Antonio. The fight will take place in the United States of America, but 779 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,599 it will not take place in San Antonio. Will take place somewhere else other 780 00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,679 than San Antonio later this you know, in the fall. And it's if 781 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,039 you like why Way boxing, or you like even matchups, or you like 782 00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:55,400 matchups that our style clashes because Bam, you know, as like a boxer, 783 00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,199 puncher with aggression. Sonny Edwards is more of a stylish boxer, good 784 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,800 quick can speed and foot speed. Uh you know, it's a fascinating kind 785 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,039 of matchup. It's going to be a real interesting situations. Which of these 786 00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:13,119 guys can impose their style on the other guy. Um, you know, 787 00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:15,840 we want to see the best against the best, and that's exactly what this. 788 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,559 These are two undefeated championship level fighters. They're both on the younger side. 789 00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:22,320 Damn it is twenty three years old, Sonny, I believe it's twenty 790 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,519 seven, but not at all used up or you know, beyond it at 791 00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:30,880 all. Should be a good matchup, I mean, and that was officially 792 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,199 made, uh you know, just today was announced. So um, you 793 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,480 know, congratulations to the two fighters were taking a fight like this. Props 794 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:39,039 to Natural Boxing for getting the deal over the line, as they like to 795 00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:43,679 say in the UK. And I look forward to this one and again Bam, 796 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,320 rob rig is off a broken jaw. It's got some much more credible 797 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,480 wins than Sonny Edwards has, and we'll see Sonyard hold on a second, 798 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:55,800 hold on a second. Sonny Edwards has a very impressive victory against m Talani 799 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,320 to win the title, who was one of the most underrated flyweights maybe in 800 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,320 the history of boxing. If you asked me, that's a hell of a 801 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,079 victory that he had, and he did it very impressively. You may not 802 00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,480 have seen a lot of Sonny Edwards, and I'm not saying that that it's 803 00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:15,559 as good that one win compared to say, beating Sarongbyside and Quadrus back to 804 00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:19,880 back. But it's not like Dammer Rodriguez has any other big win on his 805 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,880 record. He's got those two wins against aging guys, and Sonny has a 806 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:30,719 basically a domination of m Flani, you know, who was again a road 807 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,840 warrior and has been around for a long time, but was a tremendous, 808 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,559 tremendous fighter for a very long time. Um, you know, I don't 809 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,199 know if I'd say he's a Hall of Famer, but he could maybe make 810 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,400 the ballot at least, which is still a kind of a big deal, 811 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,760 so don't downplay. And by the way, he also has a win over 812 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,719 Felix Alvarado. You know, he's no jokes, Sonny Edwards. He's a 813 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,119 very good boxer and even though he fought Andre's Campos, which was the fight 814 00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:58,320 he had. As I said earlier in June, Campos was undefeated and he 815 00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:02,159 you know, he won easily nine three on all three scorecards. Okay, 816 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,800 more news. New opponent for Jared real big Baby Anderson. It is a 817 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:12,719 fellow American. His July fourth I'm sorry, July first, not actually July 818 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,159 fourth, weekend July first, headlining fight in Toledo, Ohio, because the 819 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,719 previous opponent had a visa issue, so Dan pick it up from there on 820 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,559 about ten days notice, we get a known heavyweight, a former brief Cup 821 00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:29,960 of Coffee world champion. He won an interim vacant title fight, and then 822 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,159 Anthony Joshu will beat Charles Martin. But tell me more about this matchup now, 823 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,159 where Anderson is clearly the guy that they are featuring and they want him 824 00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:40,960 to win and win big Well, I'm actually more interested to see how Jared 825 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,199 Anderson will fare against Charles Martin than I was against the original coponent, which 826 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,320 is the fighter from Kazakstain named Zan Kosabutski who was nineteen to oh with eighteen 827 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,360 knockouts, also a big puncher, but a little bit older thirty four, 828 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,760 not the Charles Martin the young guy, but I'm just saying he's not a 829 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,760 twenties heavyweight. But like you mentioned, he had some issues with the visa. 830 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,440 At some point you have to pull the trigger if you're Top rank, 831 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,039 if you can't get the guy in, you have to make alternative plans. 832 00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:07,199 And they weren't about to lose. What's the phrase I keep coming back to, 833 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,159 We're good, but we can't do something with a fighter who can't get 834 00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:15,880 in the country rightly, you can do so. They they had wanted to 835 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,559 have a fight with Charles Martin for a while. They've had him on the 836 00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,840 shortlist for a possible opponents for Jared Anderson. It just so happens they were 837 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,679 now going to do it at this juncture. So, uh, you know, 838 00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:29,320 Charles has been a PBC fighter for a long time. PBC had nothing 839 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,599 for him. He's not a headlining type of heavyweight. So he comes into 840 00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:36,039 this match. Even though the deal was done directly between Top Rank and Charles 841 00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,400 Martin's manager, who is Mike Barreo. Mike tells me, you know, 842 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,400 they did this deal with the blessing of Al Hayman. You know, go 843 00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:45,800 get your get your opportunity. Uh, and good luck and hope you get 844 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,119 to win that type of thing. But so yeah, so Charles Martin, 845 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,400 props to him for taking the fight on relative short notice going into Jared Anderson's 846 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,960 hometown. Martin has got twenty nine wins, three losses in a draw with 847 00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:00,519 twenty six knockouts. As you mentioned, a couple of coffee as a champion, 848 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,599 and I put champions in quote marks three months in two thousand and what 849 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,239 two seventeen I believe it was or two and sixteen now when he won the 850 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,760 title in the first place, it was a vacant belt that had been stripped 851 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,760 away I believe from Tyson Fury at that time, who had won the title 852 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,679 against Klitchko but couldn't make a mandatory against Zarglaskov in like thirty seconds notice. 853 00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,159 So he fought Charles Martin for that vacant belt. That was at Barclay Center. 854 00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:25,039 I was their ringside. Nobody really knew what happened because they were fighting. 855 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,840 Nothing really much had happened, you know, a couple of rounds of 856 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,000 pass and then suddenly Zarglaskov just falls to the mat and get punched, but 857 00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:35,880 he blew out his knee and he couldn't continue, so it goes down as 858 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,119 a t KO. So Charles Martin got the belt, then got offered you 859 00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:44,800 know, like four million dollars plus type of package to go to the UK 860 00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:47,360 to serve as the opponent for Anthony Joshua in his first world title fight, 861 00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:52,159 and Anthony Joshua, for lack of a better phrase, let me see, 862 00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:58,199 how shall I put this? Fucking destroyed him in two rounds. And look, 863 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,480 Charles, to his credit, has come back. You know, he's 864 00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,159 six and two since then, he's won something, he's lost. M he's 865 00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:07,599 got a you know, uh, you know, he's got a big physical 866 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,280 build. He's gonna stand uh you know, he's gonna look the part against 867 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,239 big baby Anderson. And he can listen whatever you want to say about Charles 868 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,760 Martin, he can crack a bit. I mean, he's no joke in 869 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,039 the punching power department. His problem is, uh maybe in the chin department, 870 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,480 I guess. I mean. Look, in January of last year, 871 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,199 he lost a knockout in an exciting fight against King Kong Ortiz. He has 872 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,800 since fought one time since then against Devin Vargas, everybody's favorite get well punching 873 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,360 bag he did him in four rounds, and now he goes into this fight, 874 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,599 so you know, for his sake, now that was like ten months 875 00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:45,239 ago, or I take that back, that was September of last year. 876 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,400 Now it's gonna have been about ten months when he gets in the ring with 877 00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:52,000 Jared in a few weeks. For Charles Martin's point of view, hopefully he's 878 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,000 at least been training, because if he hasn't been training, Jerald do him 879 00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:57,480 in like one or two rounds. If he's been training. Phrase from the 880 00:53:57,559 --> 00:54:00,800 Joshua fight, he did what he fu. Okay, that could happen again 881 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:07,480 here and fairly quickly we'll see. We'll find out that is for next more 882 00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,800 interesting matchup because at at least Charles Martin, we know what he's about, 883 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,639 We know he can punch, we know had ortys on the ground if I'm 884 00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:17,400 correct, backing down right, So, okay, he was down twice in 885 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,519 the first round and in the fourth round, and then he got stopped by 886 00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:22,920 getting knocked down two times in the sixth round. So that was a good 887 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:29,920 shootout on that fight. So it's interesting because every heavyweight or every fighter with 888 00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:34,480 aspirations for championships at some point, if they're going to take that next step. 889 00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,480 You gotta kind of get the name, usually of either a good contender 890 00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:42,119 on your record or a former champion on your record, somebody that's got a 891 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,719 name. And Charles Martin, even if he hasn't been successful in his biggest 892 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,760 fights, he does have experience under the lights, for example, against bigger 893 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,679 names, and he has fought good guys like I said, he fought Louis 894 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,159 Artiz, he fought like Gerald Washington would fought for the title. He fought 895 00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,920 Konaki, for example, who he lost to back a back a few years 896 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,719 ago, and he got blown out by Anthony Joshua. But look he we're 897 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,840 gonna see. I mean, this is I think anyway. Say what you 898 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,679 want about the rest of the fourteen opponents, said, Jared Anderson has faced. 899 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,800 Charles Martin's probably the best opponent he has faced. Maybe you know he 900 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,800 is he a better grade than Jerry Forrest. I would say he's better than 901 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,199 Jerry Forrest, absolutely, So I don't think it's unreasonable to say that this 902 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,360 is his best opponent today. And if you're if you're in the camp of 903 00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,679 Jared Anderson and you're watching it, what you think is a future heavyweight star 904 00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:36,960 slash heavyweight champion. You know you want to see him stepping up to fight 905 00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:38,920 the next to fight the best guy he spots so far and then from here 906 00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:42,599 take it to the next level. So you know, I'm happy to see 907 00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:45,000 the top rank and everybody could get together and salvage the fight and at a 908 00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:49,639 reasonable replacement. And by the way, from Jared's point of view, he 909 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,960 was training for a south paw. Charles Martin is also a southpaw, so 910 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,840 you don't have to go sort of switcher sparring around the last week or two 911 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,079 and h and forget about all things you've been working on. So the fact 912 00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:00,199 that they could keep a left hander in the fight was a good thing for 913 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,519 Jared Anderson. So whatever happens in this fight, I expected to be explosive. 914 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,800 I don't expect to go the distance, and everybody's coming to see if 915 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,559 Jared Anderson can get that early knockout in Toledo. Other news, Okay, 916 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,719 the shove by Devin Haney of a silly Loma Chenko has now in the pre 917 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,000 fight before he beat a Looma Chinko by decision and punched him legitimately for twelve 918 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:28,800 rounds. The shove is not a forty thousand dollars show of Dan Raphael. 919 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,920 We have an update on the price of the shove and some other news out 920 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,679 of the Nevada Commission meeting earlier this week. Details please, Well, yeah, 921 00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:39,440 I think he meant to say four hundred thousand dollars shove because in the 922 00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:44,760 immediacy of that shove that he issued, which was unprovoked, uncalled for and 923 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,119 ridiculous, the Commission withheld four hundred thousand dollars four hundred thous. I did 924 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:52,920 sell it short. My god, what a shove like spencer. Not that 925 00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,519 he was never going to be fine four hundred grand, but just to make 926 00:56:55,599 --> 00:57:00,360 sure they find they withheld ten percent of his first that night, his curse 927 00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:04,719 was four million dollars, so he was with So he's been without his four 928 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,360 hundred thousand over the last you know, well a month or so since that 929 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,599 fight. At the meeting that the Nevada Commission, as they do, a 930 00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:15,440 monthly meeting every month, and this week they had their monthly meeting and one 931 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,480 of the items was to go through that situation. And what they decided to 932 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:22,480 do is they find Devin Hainey twenty five thousand dollars plus got to make sure 933 00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:28,400 you get this in there, three hundred and twenty six dollars for fees associated 934 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,159 with the with the meeting and all the things. So he has find that 935 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:35,079 amount of money. The rest of that four hundred thousand minus those totals goes 936 00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,199 back to him, but hopefully he learned his lessons. I personally felt like 937 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,360 four hundred thousand would have been ridiculous. I feel like twenty five thousand is 938 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,960 actually a little bit light to me. The right number might have been about 939 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,880 one hundred grand to teach a real lesson, not that it's going to like 940 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,840 make him poor after he just made four million, but show they're not messed 941 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,719 around. So I kind of don't really quite understand where the methodology came between 942 00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:59,639 the four hundred and the twenty five thousand. I felt like one hundred sort 943 00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:01,800 of sound to me like the sweet spot. But nonetheless he's fined twenty five 944 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:07,519 k. And The other notable boxing item that was on that agenda was to 945 00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:13,039 the hearing for Alberto Puyo, who had tested positive for a performance enhancing drug 946 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,480 prior to what was supposed to be his first WBA title defense against Roli Romero, 947 00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:22,960 he tested positive for that drug, the Commission suspended him, the WBA 948 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,880 striped him of the title. Romero ended up winning the vacant title against Ishmael 949 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,159 Barosso in controversial stoppage fashion, which we have detailed before. But in any 950 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:37,400 event, on at the meeting they decided that they would suspend him for six 951 00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:39,599 months. No fine because he didn't get paid that night, but he also 952 00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:44,639 was assessed three hundred and twenty six dollars fee they back dated to the date 953 00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:46,960 of the test, which was in early April, so he'll be eligible Pueo 954 00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:52,239 to return to the ring I believe October fifth, which will be six months 955 00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,960 since he gave the sample. But the real problem for Puyo wasn't even the 956 00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:00,480 six month suspension or the lack of a finance. That he was stripped of 957 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,840 the title. I mean, that's what hurt him the most. So he 958 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,239 definitely lost out on money, not only from the fight against Romero but also 959 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,199 in potential future fights because he no longer has that belt. But again it's 960 00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:12,599 his fault because he did the you know, he took the peed. But 961 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,159 so that case has now been adjudicated and I hope that Alberto PuO learned his 962 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:23,320 lesson and can make a clean comeback. And another news item here you've been 963 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,519 talking about and we mentioned it earlier in this podcast, David bena Vitas, 964 00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:31,400 David Morrell, you talked when we came off the weekend that it looks like 965 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:37,760 this fight is happening and again does it factor into Canello's second fight now in 966 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,599 the multi fight PBC deal for early you know, midd you know, May 967 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,960 whatever next year. You've learned a little more about that and about the co 968 00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:47,760 feature fight that would be part of this card, So give me some more 969 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,800 news on that real quick. All right. So a few days ago I 970 00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:57,639 spoke to on the record, not sources or anything like that, the promoters 971 00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:00,199 of these two fighters. You have Samson Lukowitz, who works with PBC on 972 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,119 David Benevides but has his promotional contract and has worked with the kid his entire 973 01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:08,440 career and Leon Marghalisa Morriers Boxing, who was the co promoter for David Morrell. 974 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:14,320 Both of them said to me on the record, Sampson more forcefully, 975 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,440 you know, with more detail. I guess since they're the main guy in 976 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:21,280 the fight anyway, that they had, you know, that they are going 977 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,320 to do this fight. It's going to take place in the fall October, 978 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:29,000 maybe early November, and they were going through the process of getting everything worked 979 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,400 out, but they had agreed in principle to the deal. It was a 980 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,679 fight that I know Showtime liked for their pay per view, a fight that 981 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,840 that PBC was interested and willing to do. Certainly fight that David Morrell had 982 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,599 been calling for. If you remember when David Morrell scored a first round knockout 983 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:46,639 against Siamagucci Falca on the undercard of Ryan Garcia against Tank Davis. David Morrell 984 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:52,159 had scored that knock on David Benavides was ringside and literally the first thing that 985 01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:54,320 came out of David Morrell's mouth when he went to do an interview after that 986 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,800 fight was where's David Benevides. I Mean, that's the guy he wanted, 987 01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:01,039 and that's a great matchup. I mean it's not maybe Cannello Benavides, but 988 01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:05,159 if you're a boxing fan, that's a must see fight. That's an explosive, 989 01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:10,039 interesting, high stakes kind of battle between probably the two best super midiwits 990 01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:14,960 in the division other than Canelo Alvarez. Now, since that was said to 991 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,960 me on the record, I didn't just make it up. The people said 992 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,280 that this is what they're doing. David Benavides has come out and pushed backle 993 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,760 that's I haven't agreed to anything yet, but it's probably still going to happen. 994 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:30,159 It's not like he's got some other huge alternative that the Canelo fight is 995 01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:34,039 not happening at this moment for reasons we've discussed previously. With the Charlo fight 996 01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:37,519 coming about, you know, he'd liked to fight Heimi Mangia. That's a 997 01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:40,119 very hard fight to make because of the whole Golden Boy his own showtime. 998 01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:44,880 It just seems like it's unlikely, even though that'd be a great fight. 999 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,320 Also, I'd love to see that too and morel is a great matchup, 1000 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:51,039 and what it does is it puts the winner of that match literally in the 1001 01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,440 driver's seat to fight Canello should he beat Charlo in the fall fight. So 1002 01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:58,599 David Benavides can say what he wants, but at the end of the day, 1003 01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:01,159 I believe that fight will happen as they said it would, and if 1004 01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:04,559 that fight goes down and it's the pay per view, we will be the 1005 01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:07,599 co feature or at least on The undercard anyway, will be the rematch between 1006 01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:14,199 Brian Mendoza and Sabashian Fandor. Remember if Mendoza scored a huge knockout against Fandor 1007 01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:17,880 in a fight he was losing and became the wbz's interim title holder at one 1008 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,639 fifty four, Fandor had the right to an intermediate rematch. He exercised that 1009 01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:24,599 and the rematch would take place on that card, and that's you know, 1010 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:30,519 as as pay per views go these days, that's a that's a worthy undercard 1011 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,440 fight for that type of show. So hopefully they'll get it all squared away 1012 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,400 and we'll see a nice, nice card in the fall. Yeah, Mendoza 1013 01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:39,159 landed the booming knockout paunch, huge fight he was losing, and so there's 1014 01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:44,719 some intrigue in that rematch. Nostalgia time, Nostalgia time to wrap it up 1015 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,760 here. Before I put this to bed, we do the bet Us Show 1016 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:52,920 and I head off on vacation, all right, Nostalgia from Oh you keep 1017 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,519 talking about this vacation. You're really trying to get away from area. Well, 1018 01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:58,480 I try here and there, but I'm not really getting away from you, 1019 01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,599 am I? If I'm still doing a bet US show with you on 1020 01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:02,880 Friday, and I'm on vacation doing the recap podcast. But we love the 1021 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:08,480 peeps that we were the piece, all right. So Wednesday Anniversary from this 1022 01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:15,440 week twenty years ago was Lennox Lewis Vidaly Clichko and that's the final fight ever 1023 01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:20,039 for Lennox Lewis. We've talked about this a couple of different times, but 1024 01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:24,000 you were ringside. It ends Lewis's Hall of Fame career. Give me a 1025 01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:29,559 memory or two, just nostalgia. Well, it was such a weird way 1026 01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,960 the fight came about. This was not done under the normal way that boxing 1027 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,280 matches are done, where you negotiate a fight, you plan to fight, 1028 01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,719 you do the tour, you get all the hype, blah blah blah, 1029 01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:39,119 and then you do the match and then you got a big event. This 1030 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,760 was supposed to be a pay per view at the end of two thousand and 1031 01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:46,159 the end of two thousand and three, not in June of two thousand and 1032 01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:51,920 three when it was first contemplated. This was HBO pay per view. Lennox 1033 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,800 Lewis Is going to fight Kirk Johnson in the main event, who at that 1034 01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:00,880 time was a top contender and Klitchko was going to fight fighter that became a 1035 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,079 sort of a journeyman later, even though he was still like sign of a 1036 01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:08,360 decent contender at the time. Cedric Boswell. Kurt Johnson suffered a pectoral injury 1037 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,760 and withdrew from the fight, and ten days before the fight, now Clichico 1038 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,239 and Lewis are both training for these opponents on the same card. The whole 1039 01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:18,239 idea was they're gonna showcase them in this pay per view, They're gonna both 1040 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,000 win in spectacular fashion, and then at the end of that year, we're 1041 01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:25,679 having a mega pay per view fight between Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitchko, which 1042 01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:28,840 was a huge fight at that time. But when Kurt Johnson pulled out, 1043 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,599 what they ended up doing was both sides said screwed the doubleheader. Fucked that. 1044 01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:35,239 They were like, we're going to fight each other. So Kurt Johnson 1045 01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,840 was off the show. Boswell probably got a few dollars to go away, 1046 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:45,920 and they made on ten days notice a megafight between Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitscho, 1047 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,719 And not only did they do that, they took it off of pay 1048 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:53,000 per view. HBO went to the higher ups to go outside of its normal 1049 01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,239 boxing budget, got like a special grant, if you will, from the 1050 01:04:56,679 --> 01:05:00,239 you know, from the President's Fund or whatever they had stashed to do special 1051 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,039 events for like an extra ten million dollars on top of what they already were 1052 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:09,639 spending on boxing, and they put this fight live on HBO from Staple Center 1053 01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:13,760 in Los Angeles. I was I was going out for the fight in the 1054 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,119 first place when it was the double header, and I can still remember getting 1055 01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:19,320 a call when the fight was postponed, and you know, and I was 1056 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,079 like, oh, that sucks, you know, it's too bad, and 1057 01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:24,199 like, no, no, it's the fight Stillando, We're doing the fight. 1058 01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:27,480 They're doing the fight against each It like, oh my god. It 1059 01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:30,599 was like a big deal now it turned out, and not only to be 1060 01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,400 a big deal fight and in retrospect, the final fight of Lennox Lewis's Hall 1061 01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,719 of Fame career. Remember, Lennox was coming off of a year earlier. 1062 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:41,280 He hadn't fought for a year. His most recent fight was the knockout of 1063 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,920 Mike Tyson. So Lennox was whining things down. I mean, the plan 1064 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,679 I think was sort of, let's do this, this interim fight, We'll 1065 01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:50,679 do Klichko and then I'll retire after that. But the Tyson fight was clearly 1066 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,119 signaled he was coming to the end. Buddy fought Klitchko. He wasn't in 1067 01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:59,519 a greater shape that night, electric atmosphere at Staples Center. Klichko, remember 1068 01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:02,280 he now? He now may be all these years later a leading figure in 1069 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,960 the Ukraine Russia War as the Mayor of Kiev, and he's been an outspoken 1070 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,079 political figure in Ukraine for now several years since his retirement. But back then 1071 01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:15,760 he was living in California with his wife. His kids were born there. 1072 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,599 You know, he was making a go of it here in the United States, 1073 01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:21,760 and he was a crowd favorite. He came into Hotel California, but 1074 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,119 it was a good way to get on the fans side, and he was 1075 01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:29,119 trying to remember he had so much negativity had been thrust on him because of 1076 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:31,119 the way he quit against Chris Bird a few years earlier. He was labeled 1077 01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:34,719 a quitter by many many people. Now he turned it all around in this 1078 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,760 fight because it was a a great shootout, awesome slug fest, one of 1079 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,639 the best heavyweight fights I have ever covered. But he got cut so badly 1080 01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:45,840 over the eye, and he was winning to fight on the cards when it 1081 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,159 was ended, but the cut was so bad they had no choice but to 1082 01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:51,000 stop it. He took like forty or fifty stitches. But what people remember 1083 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,559 is that he was begging to continue. So whatever dog in him you thought 1084 01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:59,559 there was for quitting against Bird because of a rotator cuff injury that you couldn't 1085 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,599 see, he showed that much heart to beg to continue with as I hanging 1086 01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:05,480 out in the blood all over the place against Lennox Lewis, and as my 1087 01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:09,480 dear friend, the great Larry Merchant put it, and he's one hundred percent 1088 01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:13,559 right. Lennox Lewis won the fight, but Vitali Klitschko won the event because 1089 01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:15,800 everybody was on his side. Everybody cheered him when it was over, not 1090 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,440 so much Lennox and Lennix of course, then uttered post fight the great line 1091 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,360 look at the state of his face, you know, and I get tired. 1092 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,639 I've heard a thousand times through these years, TJ. Well. Klichko 1093 01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:30,960 was winning the fight until he got stopped, Like yeah, but you forgot 1094 01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:33,519 that the important part of that sentence is until he got stopped, Because that 1095 01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:38,800 rocking hand from Lennex Lewis tours fucking face open in that counts as a knockout. 1096 01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:42,440 But listen, for many years I rated it as the best heavyweight fight 1097 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:46,119 I'd ever covered in terms of heavyweight championships, maybe heavyweights overall. I can't 1098 01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:48,760 say it's number one anymore because there's been a couple of fights that have been 1099 01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:54,239 on that level or even slightly better. And that was being ringside for his 1100 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:59,639 brother Vladimir Klitchko's knockout loss in a great twenty seventeen fight of the Year, 1101 01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:02,440 and when he stating against Anthony Joshua, and then of course the just incredible, 1102 01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:08,800 incredible fight between Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder when they had their third fight. 1103 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,599 But Lennox against Clichko was just everything you could have wanted a heavyweight title 1104 01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:15,800 fight to be. I mean, these were two you know, they're now 1105 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,279 in the Hall of Fame. It was a worthy fight. Clichko didn't get 1106 01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:20,720 the rematch that a lot of people wanted to see. Lennox decided to retire, 1107 01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:25,039 you know, a number of months later, but Klicho came after that. 1108 01:08:25,119 --> 01:08:28,840 He ended up winning the vacant WBC title and had a short reign because 1109 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,159 he got injured, retired for four years, came back and in his first 1110 01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:34,800 fight back, destroyed Samuel Peter to regain that title. He had been made 1111 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:40,640 Champion Emeritus, and then went on a string where he went like nine defenses 1112 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,079 and then said, you know what, after the Manuel Shar fight, this 1113 01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,479 is gonna be my last fight. I'm retiring. He destroyed Shar, cut 1114 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,640 him up real bad, almost as bad as he had been caught against Lennox, 1115 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:54,039 and walked off into the sunset to go into the ship show of Ukrainian 1116 01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:59,600 politics, where now he's fighting for his country in a not physically in terms 1117 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,279 of take up the arms and standing on the front lines, but as one 1118 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,800 of their as one of their political leaders, dealing with what's been happening in 1119 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:09,239 Russia and the thing I have so much respect for about Klitschko and his brother 1120 01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:13,359 for that matter, they don't need to be there there. There are millionaires 1121 01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:15,840 one hundred times over. They could be on a beach, sip in a 1122 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,560 margharita or doing whatever with their families, staying safe and being far far away 1123 01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,720 from being right there in Kiev in the middle of all this. But uh, 1124 01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:26,119 you know, metallic. Klitchko is a man's man. He is not 1125 01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,560 somebody to take a step back. And all the people that criticize him for 1126 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,840 quitting against Bird, we saw the true measure of this man's heart and how 1127 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,159 we acted against Lennox As as our pal Teddy Alice would say, he acted 1128 01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:41,840 like a fighter. And now we are all these twenty years later and he's 1129 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,680 doing it again, but not in the ring, but in the way he's 1130 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:47,079 handling himself politically, working with his people as the mayor of his home city 1131 01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:53,199 that's under siege basically every day from the Russian But what in the boxing sense, 1132 01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:56,920 Just an awesome heavyweight title fight. If you never saw it as it 1133 01:09:57,039 --> 01:10:00,279 is twenty years ago, go find that shit on YouTube. It's awesome taken. 1134 01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:02,239 Check it out. Yeah, there you go, that heavyweight one and 1135 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,119 and again the Klitchkos deserve an awful lot of political credit. By the way, 1136 01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:10,800 So that was Wednesday Thursday, as we taped this and released this eighty 1137 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,239 five years ago, the brown Bomber Joe Lewis recaptured the heavyweight title in just 1138 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,199 one round over Max Schmelling. So many subplots to this, because Schmelling was 1139 01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:25,319 a German part of the whole Hitler mantro that the Master race was the white 1140 01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:28,760 race. Now, it should be pointed out Smelling never participated in that. 1141 01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:31,279 He did not want to be part of what Hitler was doing and his rise 1142 01:10:32,039 --> 01:10:36,199 to that. Smelling then came back to the United States and fought Joe Lewis 1143 01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:40,560 and got knocked out eighty five years ago on Thurdy. Just one. I 1144 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,960 just have to correct on one thing. He didn't regain the title. He 1145 01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,359 was already the champion in the rating. He was well right, he right 1146 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,600 because it lost avenged his loss. I'll say it. I'll say it different. 1147 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:54,239 He have venged his loss in just the first time around. Yes, 1148 01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:58,760 And so so the quick story that I have about that, we talk about 1149 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,720 the present day and the internet, YouTube and how we can look on everything. 1150 01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:06,800 My friend back in the early nineteen eighties, young TJ's in middle school. 1151 01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:12,640 And this is completely by coincidence. I'm at disney World. We had 1152 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,840 just moved to Florida about forty years ago. Thirty nine years ago. I'm 1153 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:21,199 at disney World on Main Street of Disney World. They had an old timey 1154 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:26,399 arcade and I'm paying this off here. It comes you go into the old 1155 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,920 timey arcade. We're not talking about video games like Asteroids, Space Invaders, 1156 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,600 Missile Command, all those video games. We're talking about miss pac Man. 1157 01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:40,199 We're talking about old timey arcade type games from the nineteen thirties, forties, 1158 01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:45,399 fifties. And they had an old kaleidoscope, a crank kaleidoscope where you put 1159 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,119 your face in, watched the kaleidoscope, cranked it and watched the movie. 1160 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:54,239 I put my nickel in, and the movie is Joe Lewis knocking out Max 1161 01:11:54,319 --> 01:11:58,439 Smelling in one round for a nickel, and I put another nickel in and 1162 01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,520 I watched it again because it's literally like thirty or forty seconds of him knocking 1163 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,600 him down. Smelling gets up, he knocks him down again. Schmelling gets 1164 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,880 up, he knocks him down again. The way the fight off. I 1165 01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:11,359 put like three nickels in to watch that fight. People, you got to 1166 01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:15,359 appreciate there's no Internet, there's no ESPN Classic too. Have ever seen the 1167 01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,640 Joe Lewis Max Smelling fight. I just thought i'd throw the nostalgia out there 1168 01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,560 that the first time I ever saw that fight was a tourist thing at Disney 1169 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,880 World on Main Street by total accident for a net goal. Ray Field, 1170 01:12:26,079 --> 01:12:29,039 well, fifteen cents if you watch it three times, three times, fifteen 1171 01:12:29,079 --> 01:12:31,800 cents. Very true. But I found out about the Brown Bomber. I 1172 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,560 had known about him, but I found out about that night. So that's 1173 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,960 eighty five years ago, and you got one more piece of nostalgia and then 1174 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,840 we're gone, Manny pachi Ow And this is Friday as we released the podcast 1175 01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:47,239 two thousand and one card he is fighting in the US for the first time 1176 01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:51,439 for a world title. Tell me more about that nostalgia because it involves a 1177 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,479 pay per view in Oscar Deal La Joya, Right, all right, So 1178 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,159 I was there in Las Vegas at the n GYM to cover Oscar Deal La 1179 01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:02,920 Joya, the face of boxing at that time. He is challenging Javier Castaio 1180 01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:09,920 from Spain for the WBC and Millinnial Junior middleweight title. And that was like 1181 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,520 a big deal because it's Oscar Delois fighting for another world title, and uh, 1182 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,119 it's on an HBO pay per view. And Oscar won that fight very 1183 01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:19,439 handily by unanimous decision and won the title. But what really became the story 1184 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:25,159 from that event was that you know, on the undercard. This was an 1185 01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:30,600 undercard fight geared around the outstanding junior featherweight IBF champion from South Africa who had 1186 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,920 been very impressive in some previous fights. He had fought on a Lenox Lewis 1187 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:39,560 undercard that got a lot of exposure was Laylo Ledwaba and Laylo Ledwaba was supposed 1188 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,560 to defend the title in the on the pay per view. His opponent got 1189 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,359 injured and they had to find a replacement on like two weeks ten days notice. 1190 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:51,920 Who gets the call but the former flyweight champion, unknown to Americans at 1191 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:57,319 all, as a man named Manny Paco, Manny Who and people the HBO 1192 01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,760 commentators, Larry Merchant, Jim Lable, they kind of have a George Foreman 1193 01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:03,880 had a little bit of a hard time saying his last name many Packet because 1194 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,800 he was unknown. He took the fight. It was his first fight with 1195 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:12,319 Freddie Roach. He had been in the United States on a vacation slash working 1196 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,119 looking for a trainer. He wanted to come and train in America, maybe 1197 01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:17,840 fight in the United States, and they took that fight on short notice. 1198 01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:21,079 They went in the ring as underdogs. You know, he was not known 1199 01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:25,079 he's just coming up from flyweight, you know, a couple of weight divisions. 1200 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,880 Not only did Manny packet win the fight, but he absolutely fucking pummeled 1201 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:30,640 with Babba. It's like, but Wabba had no idea was fighting a South 1202 01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,720 bot me and he broke his nose, busting him up and just you know, 1203 01:14:34,039 --> 01:14:38,079 just beat him up, really stopped him in the sixth round, and 1204 01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:41,159 it's like, what in the world did I just see? Like this guy 1205 01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:44,439 was like out of nowhere. You're like, I think I just saw like 1206 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,680 a future legend. That's the type of performance that he had, and everybody 1207 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,680 sort of fell in love with him. He looked phenomenal. HBO liked on 1208 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,720 the lot. They put him on the air. They put him on when 1209 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,119 it was time for them to put a fight as part of the deal with 1210 01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:01,159 Showtime on the Tyson Lennox wis hunder Carter, which we've talked about. And 1211 01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:05,600 that was the beginning though of Manny Paco taken America by storm. And here's 1212 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,399 the funny thing about that. So I was a big Ledwaba supporter. I'd 1213 01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,760 watched a lot of his videotapes, not YouTube, but I'd gotten vhs cassettes 1214 01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,920 of fights that he had had in South Africa. I had seen the one 1215 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:20,680 appearance he had on HBO before that he was a really good, good technical 1216 01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:26,760 boxer with some pop and I thought he was really really good, and uh, 1217 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,760 you know, I advocated him, advocated for him to get some time 1218 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,560 on HBO, and I was obviously knew the HBO vice presidents had handled sports 1219 01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,520 pretty well and everybody knew I was a big faniland Wabba. When Manny Pachyo 1220 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:41,119 knocked him out, I'm sitting there at my ringside seat in the press row 1221 01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,880 for the fight. There was like a bunch of people that came walking by 1222 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,439 me like almost like condolences. Your guy just got his ass cake and I'll 1223 01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:53,079 never forget. There was the HBO, one of the executive vice presidents at 1224 01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:57,680 the time, a guy named Xavier James, who knew of my great love 1225 01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,039 for Ledwaba. You'd have thought we were like we were at a funeral when 1226 01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:03,880 he came by my spot at the deaths here to offer his condolences, and 1227 01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:08,079 Ledwaba, you know, never reached those heights again. But Pakia went on 1228 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:11,399 to become a freaking legend, and it started that night. He had won 1229 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:15,319 a flyweight title in the Philippines but was really not known. It's really when 1230 01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:17,760 he came to America and had that fight on that Oscar undercart and who would 1231 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,399 have thought, here's a guide one hundred and twenty two pounds and as American 1232 01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:26,560 debut, winning a world title, and many many years later he would be 1233 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,199 fighting Oscar dal Lajoya in a welterweight fight and retiring the Golden Boy, and 1234 01:16:31,399 --> 01:16:34,800 as the number one fighter in boxing at that time. So it's just strange 1235 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:40,640 how things work out. But just a very memorable performance from Pakiao on a 1236 01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:45,479 big time card there in Las Vegas. Love all of this nostalgia, news, 1237 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,800 lots on the fights, and a great interview with Julian Jay Rock Williams. 1238 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:53,399 Earlier on this pod, we have done a bunch to preview reminder bet 1239 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:59,439 US Live show Friday one Eastern time. We will handicap fights and head into 1240 01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,439 the weekend and then you and I will recap the weekend. It will be 1241 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:06,720 a little shorter version of the recap with TJ on VAK and we should mention 1242 01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:11,800 that we will also come off the weekend with the recap podcast. It's gonna 1243 01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,399 be a quick recap because I'm on vacation again, Raphael. I don't want 1244 01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:16,319 to get divorced. I don't, I don't. It's not gonna happen. 1245 01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,239 But we got a special guest as well. We'll recap all the fights from 1246 01:17:19,239 --> 01:17:25,199 the weekend. You scored an interview with Virgil Ortise. There's a tease to 1247 01:17:25,399 --> 01:17:30,319 hear from Virgil Ortiz, who's fighting Stanionis later on here in July. You'll 1248 01:17:30,359 --> 01:17:33,439 hear from him on Sunday night. If you're with us for the recap podcast. 1249 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,479 Yeah, listen. I talked to Virgil this week. We had a 1250 01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:40,560 nice interview. He's preparing for the postpone fight, which been which postponed twice, 1251 01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:45,399 actually first because of Stanionis's appendeck to me and because of Virgil's medical issue 1252 01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:49,760 that reoccurred. But they are scheduled to fight in July eighth, and that 1253 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,079 should be a tremendous fight. I cannot wait for that fight, one of 1254 01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:56,520 my favorite fights that's been on the calendar now for a while. And had 1255 01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,840 a good interview with Virgil, talked about we really got into a deep on 1256 01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,520 everything he's gone through in terms of his medical issues, and everybody can hear 1257 01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,279 that interview when the next one comes out on Sunday. Good enough, my 1258 01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:11,199 friend. I'll see you on the bet US Live Show one Eastern time on 1259 01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:15,479 their platforms, YouTube, etc. As we handicap, and then you and 1260 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:19,279 I will recap here on the Big Fight Weekend podcast Beat Fight Freaks Unite Recap 1261 01:18:19,359 --> 01:18:24,800 comes your way off the weekend, Dan, have a great weekend and we 1262 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,880 always appreciate the insight and the efforts on all subjects. Thank you, sir. 1263 01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,399 That sounds going to help you enjoy your vacation. Yes, we will 1264 01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:35,000 be talking from vacation on the next podcast that we do, and it will 1265 01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:39,520 be a lot of fun to have a little vacat, a little time away. 1266 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,520 And there we go. All right, So with that, we're done. 1267 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,560 We're good again. Follow us, subscribe Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, 1268 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,079 Spotify, rate us and review us as well. You've been listening to the 1269 01:18:50,119 --> 01:18:53,239 Big Fight Weekend preview. Bye